Bannon's War Room - Episode 4362： Senate Intelligence Committee On World Wide Threats Not A Search For Truth

00:00:00.000 One.

00:00:01.360 It's Tuesday, 25 March in the year of our Lord, 2025.

00:00:04.820 You're seeing a live shot at the Hart Building, the Senate Hart Building,

00:00:09.560 where we're about to commence the select Senate Intelligence Committee hearing.

00:00:16.180 It's been scheduled for a while.

00:00:17.920 This is about international threats in intelligence.

00:00:21.240 It's a unclassified public hearing.

00:00:25.080 They will do another one behind closed doors.

00:00:28.160 This is the public, and the reason this is so important today,

00:00:32.100 obviously, with this situation, with the signal chat,

00:00:37.680 today you're going to have Kash Patel, director of the FBI,

00:00:42.040 Tulsi Gabbard, defense, or the DNI,

00:00:46.300 and you're going to have also CIA, John Ratcliffe.

00:00:51.040 So director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard,

00:00:53.080 you see they're gathering right now in the Hart Building.

00:00:56.560 The Senators are gathering.

00:00:58.300 This will be gaveled in.

00:00:59.120 We're going to dip in and out of this because I believe Jack Reed,

00:01:03.680 the ranking member of the Democratic side,

00:01:05.740 has said he's going to make this basically a hearing.

00:01:08.140 You see the media right there.

00:01:09.200 It's an over-the-shoulder shot.

00:01:12.940 And this is why, if you listen to us on the podcast,

00:01:15.100 what you need to do is go and get our command briefing

00:01:18.160 and go to the site, get everything dealing with our footage,

00:01:22.880 because the footage is amazing.

00:01:23.980 Right here we've got the shot over the shoulder.

00:01:25.720 You see the cameraman.

00:01:27.540 There's a much bigger turnout today.

00:01:29.280 The hall is packed because of the situation with the thread,

00:01:37.220 the signal thread,

00:01:38.120 where the Democrats are going to try to make a lot of hay over this.

00:01:40.660 The president of the United States already told Garrett Haake of NBC News

00:01:44.420 before we started today that Mike Waltz is a good man,

00:01:50.020 and Mike Waltz is not going to be fired for this.

00:01:52.060 Now, we do understand the White House counsel is involved,

00:01:54.420 and I think there's some sort of investigation,

00:01:56.180 particularly given that Jeffrey Goldberg is a demon.

00:02:01.020 Let's go ahead, before they start, let's go ahead and play.

00:02:03.260 We'll bring the show in,

00:02:05.260 and then we're going to get Jack Posobiec,

00:02:07.620 and we're going to dip in and out of this coverage.

00:02:09.400 Let's go ahead and bring the show in.

00:02:10.340 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:02:18.580 Pray for our enemies,

00:02:20.500 because we're going medieval on these people.

00:02:23.800 You're just not going to get a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:02:28.060 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:02:29.980 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:02:31.400 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:02:33.160 but you're not going to stop it.

00:02:34.080 It's going to happen.

00:02:35.360 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:02:38.760 Mega Media.

00:02:39.660 I wish in my soul,

00:02:41.920 I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:02:45.560 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:02:49.300 If that answer is to save my country,

00:02:52.500 this country will be saved.

00:02:55.680 War Room.

00:02:56.520 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:03:05.160 Wow, pretty creative right there.

00:03:06.800 We did the opening theme song over this hearing.

00:03:10.660 Hearing, very important today.

00:03:11.940 Well, it would be important on any day.

00:03:14.560 This is the first time I believe that President Trump's starting team of intelligence and counterintelligence experts,

00:03:22.940 because you're going to have DIA there, defense intelligence and others,

00:03:26.900 but the big three are Tulsi, Tulsi Gabbard, director of national intelligence,

00:03:32.680 John Radcliffe, the director of the CIA, and Kash Patel, director of the FBI.

00:03:36.880 We're all going to be there.

00:03:37.860 The reason it's heightened today, and we're going to cover this even more extensively than we were planning,

00:03:42.920 is obviously with the situation, with the signal thread, just to get everybody up to speed.

00:03:49.800 If you haven't heard, there was, during the attack, the initial big attack on the Houthis,

00:03:56.480 I think it was back on 15 March, so it was 10 days ago.

00:03:59.880 I think that was a Saturday, too.

00:04:01.200 I think we were covering it on the show.

00:04:03.760 They had a thread, a signal thread.

00:04:06.400 Now, signal is a, it's a scrambled service you can use, an app you can download,

00:04:13.060 but it's not a classified platform.

00:04:15.700 So you had a number of President Trump's senior advisors, including the vice president,

00:04:20.280 were in this, having a discussion with each other, and, you know, certain information put up there.

00:04:27.540 Inadvertently, somehow, they put in Jeffrey Goldberg, who is demonic.

00:04:32.100 I mean, Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic, as we've been telling you,

00:04:34.700 The Atlantic magazine, owned by Steve Jobs' widow,

00:04:37.960 is getting to be a centerpiece of the resistance, an intellectual centerpiece.

00:04:43.480 They've hired extensively from the media around town.

00:04:46.620 In fact, they essentially eviscerated, or they were part of the group that eviscerated

00:04:51.700 The Washington Post, taking away some of their best writers.

00:04:55.660 Jeffrey Goldberg is the editor.

00:04:58.360 He's an absolute hardcore Trump hater.

00:05:01.780 He's been a back of so many of the phony narratives in the past, from Russiagate and, you know,

00:05:07.960 the situation in Charlottesville.

00:05:10.480 You know, every time you see one of these big turning and hate Trump from the media,

00:05:15.600 Goldberg has been kind of in back of it,

00:05:17.800 because The Atlantic is a very important and very powerful tool of the left.

00:05:24.620 And Steve Jobs' widow is doubling down and putting a tremendous amount of money in.

00:05:27.600 So he's becoming more powerful.

00:05:29.700 Somehow he was inadvertently, either through a staffer or through Mike Waltz, or Mike Waltz's staff,

00:05:38.760 because I think President Trump said this morning when we talked to Garrett Haake,

00:05:41.920 who was a staffer, that somehow inadvertently,

00:05:44.220 I know it sounds incredible, but put Jeffrey Goldberg into the thread.

00:05:49.120 Now, there's issues of, you know, how President Trump is being advised,

00:05:55.480 what the advice was, because I think J.D. Vance in there essentially said a lot of things at the war room.

00:06:02.680 We said, as soon as we go live to this, as soon as we have the opening statements from Tom Cotton and Jack Reed,

00:06:08.120 I want to go, is Tom Cotton speaking yet?

00:06:11.260 Can we go live?

00:06:12.320 Okay, we're testing audio right now.

00:06:16.340 It should be up live, gentlemen.

00:06:18.200 We're taking this feed, by the way, from the Senate side.

00:06:21.420 So as soon as audio is not ready.

00:06:23.580 Okay, we're going to go here momentarily.

00:06:26.500 The room fills.

00:06:27.420 Okay, let's go.

00:06:27.940 We're going to go right live to the Senate room.

00:06:29.880 I'll jump in and out as we go.

00:06:31.000 The National Security Agency and Commander of U.S. Cyber Command, General Tim Hawk,

00:06:37.020 and the Defense Intelligence Agency Director, Lieutenant General Jeffrey Cruz.

00:06:42.320 Thank you all for your appearance.

00:06:44.020 Thank you for your leadership.

00:06:45.700 I also want to recognize the hard work and dedication of the thousands of men and women

00:06:50.900 in our intelligence community whom you're here to represent today.

00:06:55.000 Their successes are seldom celebrated.

00:06:57.440 Their accomplishments are often unseen.

00:06:59.660 But our nation is grateful to each one for the vital work they do to keep our nation safe, prosperous, and free.

00:07:06.740 Our annual worldwide threats hearing allows for the American people to receive an unvarnished

00:07:14.220 and unbiased account of the real and present dangers that our nation faces.

00:07:19.580 As we will hear from our witnesses, many of the threats we face are truly existential.

00:07:25.740 Communist China is actively working to replace the United States as the world's dominant superpower.

00:07:31.220 China uses coercive military, economic, and influence operations short of war

00:07:37.200 to shape a world favorable to its interests and hostile to ours.

00:07:44.140 These methods include the biggest peacetime military buildup in history,

00:07:50.640 rapidly expanding its nuclear forces, providing critical assistance to help Russia withstand U.S. sanctions,

00:07:56.840 obscuring its role in accelerating the spread of COVID-19 beyond Wuhan,

00:08:02.360 turning a blind eye to Chinese companies that enable the production of fentanyl flooding into the United States

00:08:07.820 and putting space weapons on orbit, among other tactics.

00:08:14.540 Iran, despite setbacks inflicted on its so-called access of resistance by Israel over the last year,

00:08:21.860 still aims to destroy what it calls the little Satan, the state of Israel,

00:08:28.300 and what it calls the great Satan, the United States.

00:08:32.760 It continues to arm Yemeni rebels to attack global shipping,

00:08:38.320 though these outlaws have suffered terrible losses over the last two weeks

00:08:43.320 thanks to decisive action by President Trump and our brave troops.

00:08:48.760 I commend the President, Mike Waltz, Pete Heksef, and his entire national security team for these actions.

00:08:58.300 Iran also continues its decades-long effort to develop surrogate networks inside the United States

00:09:05.300 to threaten U.S. citizens.

00:09:09.280 Furthermore, Iran's nuclear program continues apace.

00:09:11.980 It's actively developing multiple space-launched vehicles,

00:09:16.260 which are little more than flimsy cover for an intercontinental ballistic missile program

00:09:21.540 that could hit the United States in a matter of years.

00:09:25.360 But all this will soon come to an end.

00:09:28.880 The Supreme Leader of Iran now faces a stark choice, thanks to President Trump.

00:09:33.520 The Supreme Leader can fully dismantle his nuclear program,

00:09:38.120 or he can have it dismantled for him.

00:09:42.500 Finally, today's report also acknowledges that illicit drug production

00:09:46.620 endangers the health and safety of millions of Americans.

00:09:50.920 For the first time, the annual threat assessment lists foreign illicit drug actors

00:09:55.520 as the very first threat to our country.

00:09:58.380 As the report highlights, Mexican-based cartels using precursors produced in China

00:10:05.980 continue to smuggle fentanyl and synthetic opioids into the United States.

00:10:11.340 Last year alone, these deadly drugs tragically killed more than 52,000 Americans,

00:10:17.040 more than the number killed in attacks by foreign terrorists or foreign nations.

00:10:21.620 Given these threats, we have to ask,

00:10:26.600 are our intelligence agencies well-postured against these threats?

00:10:31.320 I'm afraid the answer is no, at least not yet.

00:10:35.200 As the world became more dangerous in recent years,

00:10:38.080 our intelligence agencies got more politicized, more bureaucratic,

00:10:41.980 and more focused on promulgating opinions rather than gathering facts.

00:10:46.140 As a result of these misplaced priorities,

00:10:49.500 we've been caught off guard and left in the dark too often.

00:10:53.360 I know that all of you agree that the core mission of the intelligence community

00:10:57.120 is to steal our adversaries' secrets

00:10:59.460 and convey them to policymakers to protect the United States.

00:11:04.740 At the same time, it's not the role of intelligence agencies

00:11:07.240 to make policy to justify presidential action

00:11:09.740 or to operate like other federal agencies.

00:11:12.040 After years of drift, the intelligence community must recommit to its core mission

00:11:18.500 of collecting clandestine intelligence from adversaries

00:11:21.920 whose main objective is to destroy our nation and our way of life.

00:11:26.680 The reason is not that our intelligence community lacks dedicated patriots

00:11:31.140 who show up to work every day to protect the American people.

00:11:34.300 On the contrary, it has an abundance of them.

00:11:37.040 The reasons are a misuse of resources,

00:11:39.280 bureaucratic bloat, a default to play it safe,

00:11:43.180 and a past administration that prioritized social engineering over espionage.

00:11:49.080 Coupled with recent failures,

00:11:50.740 the finding in today's Worldwide Threat Report

00:11:52.460 should be a wake-up call to all of us to get our house in order.

00:11:56.040 The status quo is proving inadequate

00:11:57.740 to provide the president and Congress

00:12:00.200 with the intelligence needed to protect the American people.

00:12:03.200 As more storms gather,

00:12:06.360 America's intelligence capabilities require urgent reform and revitalization.

00:12:11.780 As the chairman of this committee,

00:12:13.240 I look forward to working with each of you

00:12:15.040 to strengthen America's intelligence edge

00:12:17.720 and refocus our intelligence community

00:12:20.100 on its core mission,

00:12:22.520 stealing secrets.

00:12:24.280 The American people deserve nothing less.

00:12:27.000 We've assembled an impressive team

00:12:28.540 to get this done,

00:12:30.040 and I look forward to hearing your comments.

00:12:32.260 Now, I recognize the vice chairman for opening remarks.

00:12:35.940 Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman,

00:12:37.100 and good morning, everybody.

00:12:38.140 I want to thank all the witnesses for being here.

00:12:44.360 I've got to say,

00:12:45.160 I've been on the committee now for 14 years,

00:12:48.160 and this year's assessment

00:12:50.000 is clearly one of the most complicated

00:12:53.100 and challenging in my tenure on the committee.

00:12:56.680 And I want to get into that in a moment,

00:12:59.220 but I want to, first of all,

00:13:00.240 address the recent story that is broken in the news.

00:13:05.520 Yesterday, we stunningly learned

00:13:09.520 that senior members of this administration,

00:13:11.880 and according to the reports,

00:13:13.200 two of our witnesses here today

00:13:16.300 were members of a group chat

00:13:18.720 that discussed highly sensitive

00:13:21.980 and likely classified information

00:13:25.180 that supposedly even included

00:13:27.780 weapons packages,

00:13:30.380 targets, and timing,

00:13:31.320 and included the name

00:13:33.060 of an active CIA agent.

00:13:37.400 Putting aside for a moment

00:13:39.320 that classified information

00:13:41.000 should never be discussed

00:13:43.800 over an unclassified system.

00:13:46.960 It's also just mind-boggling to me

00:13:49.420 that all these senior folks

00:13:51.240 were on this line

00:13:52.080 and nobody bothered to even check

00:13:53.540 Security Hygiene 101.

00:13:56.820 Who are all the names?

00:13:57.940 Who are they?

00:13:59.900 Well, it apparently included a journalist.

00:14:03.120 And no matter how much

00:14:04.140 the Secretary of Defense

00:14:05.520 or others want to disparage him,

00:14:07.460 this journalist had at least

00:14:08.840 the ethics

00:14:10.620 to not report,

00:14:12.480 I think, everything he heard.

00:14:15.960 The question I raise is like,

00:14:18.460 you know,

00:14:19.000 everybody on this committee

00:14:19.740 gets briefed on security protocols.

00:14:22.000 We're told you don't make calls

00:14:23.580 outside of SCISS

00:14:24.460 of this kind of classified nature.

00:14:28.520 We don't know what I'm going to ask.

00:14:30.160 Obviously,

00:14:31.040 Director Gabbard is

00:14:31.880 the executive in charge of all

00:14:33.980 keeping our secrets safe.

00:14:36.140 Are these government devices?

00:14:39.760 Are these personal devices?

00:14:41.040 Have devices been collected

00:14:44.180 to make sure there's no malware?

00:14:48.460 There's plenty of declassified information

00:14:50.620 that shows that our adversaries,

00:14:53.540 China and Russia,

00:14:54.600 are trying to break in

00:14:56.620 to encrypted systems like SIGNAL.

00:14:58.780 I can just say this.

00:15:01.640 If this

00:15:02.240 was the case

00:15:04.340 of a military officer

00:15:07.200 or an intelligence officer

00:15:11.100 and they had this kind of behavior,

00:15:12.820 they would be fired.

00:15:14.260 as I think this is one more example

00:15:20.480 of the kind of slumpy,

00:15:22.860 careless,

00:15:24.300 incompetent

00:15:25.040 behavior,

00:15:27.260 particularly towards classified information,

00:15:29.600 that this is not a one-off

00:15:31.240 or a first-time error.

00:15:34.040 Let me take a couple minutes

00:15:35.480 and review some of the other

00:15:37.880 reckless choices

00:15:38.940 that this administration has made

00:15:41.400 regarding our national security.

00:15:43.440 We all recall,

00:15:44.300 it seems like it wasn't that long ago,

00:15:45.700 but less than two months ago.

00:15:47.860 In the first two weeks,

00:15:49.080 the administration canceled

00:15:50.540 all U.S. foreign assistance.

00:15:52.380 Now,

00:15:52.800 some may say,

00:15:53.580 how can that,

00:15:54.700 how bad can that be?

00:15:55.940 It's foreign assistance.

00:15:57.400 Well,

00:15:59.280 U.S. foreign assistance

00:16:00.160 paid for the units in Ukraine

00:16:02.020 that provide air defense

00:16:04.580 to civilian cities

00:16:05.820 being attacked by Russia.

00:16:08.280 Foreign assistance

00:16:09.080 paid for guarding camps

00:16:11.620 in Syria

00:16:12.460 where ISIS fighters

00:16:14.080 are detained.

00:16:16.260 Foreign assistance

00:16:17.100 paid for programs abroad

00:16:18.700 that ensure that diseases

00:16:20.160 like Ebola

00:16:21.040 don't come home.

00:16:23.360 And until recently,

00:16:24.360 it paid for the construction

00:16:26.600 away in Africa

00:16:27.680 that would have helped

00:16:28.920 given the United States

00:16:30.340 much-needed access

00:16:31.980 to critical minerals in Congo.

00:16:34.380 Now that project,

00:16:35.940 China's going to try to finance it.

00:16:38.360 As well,

00:16:40.200 in the first two weeks,

00:16:41.680 Director Patel,

00:16:43.260 the administration

00:16:44.080 fired

00:16:45.240 several of our most experienced

00:16:47.360 FBI agents,

00:16:49.060 including the head

00:16:49.700 of the Criminal Investigative Division,

00:16:52.060 the head of the Intelligence Division,

00:16:54.540 the head of the

00:16:55.600 Counterterrorism Division,

00:16:57.540 the heads of the New York,

00:16:59.440 Washington,

00:17:00.460 and Miami Field Office,

00:17:02.440 all individuals

00:17:03.920 who were distinctly

00:17:05.220 and directly responsible

00:17:07.440 for helping to keep

00:17:09.280 America safe.

00:17:11.880 The irony in a little bit

00:17:13.160 was the currently,

00:17:14.680 or the recently dismissed

00:17:15.900 head of the Counterterrorism Division

00:17:18.920 was involved in disrupting

00:17:21.280 the ISIS attacks plan

00:17:22.640 for Oklahoma City

00:17:23.560 and Philadelphia

00:17:24.140 and helped lead the effort

00:17:26.340 to bring to justice

00:17:27.240 the key planner

00:17:28.460 of the Abbey Gate bombing

00:17:30.560 in Afghanistan

00:17:31.360 to kill 13 U.S. servicemen

00:17:34.040 and 150 civilians.

00:17:37.280 That very Abbey Gate effort

00:17:40.540 was actually praised

00:17:41.860 by the President

00:17:42.540 in his State of the Union address.

00:17:45.220 Yet the response,

00:17:46.340 the administration's response,

00:17:47.540 to these agents,

00:17:49.960 I believe,

00:17:50.340 good works

00:17:50.840 and years of service,

00:17:52.820 was to force

00:17:53.580 these folks out.

00:17:55.600 It's hard to imagine

00:17:56.620 how that makes

00:17:57.500 our country safer.

00:17:59.340 Nor can I understand

00:18:00.480 how Americans

00:18:01.220 are made more secure

00:18:02.200 by firing more than 300 staff

00:18:05.020 at the National Nuclear

00:18:06.460 Security Administration,

00:18:08.680 including those

00:18:09.580 responsible for overseeing

00:18:11.020 the security

00:18:11.640 and safety

00:18:12.600 of the nuclear stockpile.

00:18:13.660 or by ousting

00:18:15.780 130 employees

00:18:17.340 at CISA,

00:18:18.900 the agency

00:18:19.600 directly responsible

00:18:20.780 for trying to take on

00:18:22.580 China's salt typhoon attack.

00:18:24.000 Again,

00:18:24.500 after salt typhoon,

00:18:25.580 I would have thought

00:18:26.140 folks on that group chat

00:18:27.680 might have thought twice.

00:18:29.820 Or how we made safer

00:18:30.900 by sacking

00:18:31.960 1,000 employees

00:18:33.120 at the CDC

00:18:34.580 and NIH

00:18:35.640 who are actually

00:18:36.880 directly working

00:18:37.720 on trying to keep

00:18:38.400 our country safe

00:18:39.140 from disease

00:18:39.660 by pushing out

00:18:41.760 hundreds of

00:18:42.880 intelligence officers.

00:18:44.940 The amazing thing

00:18:46.100 is our intelligence officers,

00:18:47.720 they're not

00:18:48.800 interchangeable

00:18:49.680 like a Twitter coder.

00:18:53.300 These intelligence officers,

00:18:54.840 our country makes

00:18:55.640 $20,000 to $40,000

00:18:57.220 of an investment

00:18:58.060 just in getting

00:18:59.980 a security clearance.

00:19:02.380 Literally goes

00:19:03.320 into six figures

00:19:04.140 when you take

00:19:04.700 the training involved.

00:19:07.140 Can anyone tell

00:19:08.320 how firing

00:19:09.260 probationary

00:19:10.920 individuals

00:19:11.840 without any

00:19:12.740 consideration

00:19:13.340 for merit

00:19:14.360 or expertise

00:19:15.220 is an efficient

00:19:17.320 use of taxpayer dollars.

00:19:20.500 And,

00:19:21.200 just to make clear

00:19:22.520 that yesterday's story

00:19:23.620 in the Atlantic

00:19:24.200 was not this

00:19:25.120 rookie one-off,

00:19:27.600 it's a pattern.

00:19:29.520 I want to acknowledge

00:19:30.300 Director Radcliffe

00:19:31.060 was not here

00:19:31.540 in his position

00:19:32.620 when this took place.

00:19:34.080 But again,

00:19:35.100 earlier in the administration,

00:19:36.960 when a non-classified

00:19:38.480 network

00:19:38.980 network was used,

00:19:41.620 thereby exposing

00:19:42.500 literally hundreds

00:19:43.340 of CIA officers' identities,

00:19:45.980 those folks

00:19:46.440 can't go into the field now.

00:19:48.740 How does that make

00:19:49.660 our government

00:19:50.120 more efficient?

00:19:52.820 You know,

00:19:53.380 again,

00:19:53.860 this pattern

00:19:54.460 of an amazing

00:19:55.300 cavalier attitude

00:19:56.740 towards classified information

00:19:58.480 is reckless,

00:20:00.260 sloppy,

00:20:00.620 and silly.

00:20:02.140 And perhaps

00:20:02.800 what troubles me most

00:20:03.700 is the way

00:20:04.040 the administration

00:20:04.800 has decided

00:20:06.120 that we can take

00:20:07.260 on all our problems

00:20:08.060 by ourself

00:20:08.660 without any needs

00:20:10.380 for friends or allies.

00:20:12.360 I agree

00:20:13.100 that we've got to put

00:20:13.800 America's priorities first,

00:20:16.280 but America first

00:20:17.700 cannot mean

00:20:18.660 America alone.

00:20:21.260 The intelligence

00:20:22.180 we gather

00:20:22.800 to keep Americans safe

00:20:24.120 depends on

00:20:25.940 a lot of allies

00:20:26.860 around the world

00:20:27.840 who have access

00:20:29.280 to sources

00:20:29.840 we don't have.

00:20:31.140 That sharing

00:20:31.780 of information

00:20:32.460 saves lives,

00:20:34.080 and it's not hypothetical,

00:20:34.900 we all remember

00:20:35.620 because it was declassified

00:20:37.300 last year

00:20:38.440 when Austria

00:20:39.100 worked with our community

00:20:40.180 to make sure

00:20:41.340 to expose

00:20:42.460 a plot

00:20:43.200 against Taylor Swift

00:20:44.140 in Vienna.

00:20:45.160 That could have killed

00:20:45.800 literally hundreds

00:20:46.800 of individuals.

00:20:50.060 However,

00:20:51.880 these relationships

00:20:52.940 are not built in stone.

00:20:54.880 They're not dictated

00:20:56.040 by law.

00:20:57.880 Things like

00:20:58.320 the Five Eyes

00:20:59.100 are based on trust,

00:21:02.960 built on decades,

00:21:04.900 but so often

00:21:07.180 that trust

00:21:07.700 is now breaking

00:21:08.480 literally overnight.

00:21:10.280 Yet suddenly,

00:21:11.220 and for no reason

00:21:11.820 that I can understand,

00:21:13.440 the United States

00:21:14.300 is starting to act

00:21:14.980 like our adversaries

00:21:16.160 or our friends,

00:21:18.240 voting in the UN

00:21:19.140 with Russia,

00:21:20.120 Belarus,

00:21:21.180 and North Korea.

00:21:22.680 That's a rogues gallery

00:21:23.780 if you've ever heard of them.

00:21:25.480 Treating our allies

00:21:27.080 like adversaries,

00:21:29.180 whether it's threats

00:21:30.400 to take over Greenland

00:21:31.680 or over the Panama Canal,

00:21:34.440 destructive trade war

00:21:36.140 with Canada,

00:21:36.840 or literally

00:21:37.440 threatening

00:21:38.340 to kick Canada

00:21:39.600 out of the Five Eyes.

00:21:42.380 I feel our credibility

00:21:43.920 is being enormously

00:21:45.580 undermined

00:21:46.100 with our allies,

00:21:47.640 who I believe,

00:21:48.420 and I think most of us

00:21:49.220 on this committee,

00:21:49.800 regardless of party,

00:21:50.520 believes,

00:21:51.000 makes our country

00:21:51.920 safer and stronger.

00:21:52.920 But how can our allies

00:21:56.460 ever trust us

00:21:57.820 as the kind of partner

00:22:00.480 we used to be

00:22:01.340 when we,

00:22:03.700 without consultation

00:22:04.660 or notice,

00:22:06.600 for example,

00:22:07.140 stop sharing information

00:22:08.640 to Ukraine

00:22:10.440 in its war for survival

00:22:13.300 against Russia?

00:22:15.600 Or how can our allies

00:22:17.600 not only not trust

00:22:19.540 our government,

00:22:20.180 but potentially

00:22:20.680 not our businesses,

00:22:21.620 with such arbitrary

00:22:23.800 political decisions?

00:22:24.520 Let me give you

00:22:24.900 a few examples.

00:22:26.960 You know,

00:22:27.140 as a result of a lot

00:22:28.120 of work from this committee

00:22:29.100 and others

00:22:29.760 in Congress,

00:22:31.640 we made sure

00:22:32.260 America's commercial

00:22:33.300 space industry

00:22:34.100 is second to none.

00:22:35.000 From space to launch

00:22:36.100 to commercial sensing

00:22:37.660 and communications,

00:22:38.880 the United States

00:22:39.520 has taken a record lead.

00:22:41.840 Yet overnight,

00:22:42.900 this administration

00:22:43.660 called into question

00:22:44.680 the reliability

00:22:45.320 of American commercial

00:22:47.120 tech industry

00:22:47.820 when Maxar

00:22:49.160 and other commercial

00:22:50.720 space companies

00:22:51.400 were directed

00:22:51.900 to stop sharing

00:22:52.840 intelligence

00:22:53.420 with Ukraine.

00:22:56.060 I've got to tell you,

00:22:57.860 I've been a business guy,

00:22:59.380 I can't say longer

00:23:00.120 than being an elected official,

00:23:01.280 but pretty close.

00:23:03.160 That shockwave

00:23:04.360 across all of commercial space

00:23:07.160 and frankly,

00:23:07.840 not just commercial space,

00:23:09.000 I've heard it from

00:23:09.820 some of our hyperscalers

00:23:12.300 in the tech community,

00:23:13.340 has sent an enormous chill.

00:23:14.940 who's going to hire

00:23:16.240 an American commercial

00:23:17.040 space company,

00:23:18.100 government or foreign business

00:23:21.080 with the ability

00:23:21.960 to have that taken down

00:23:23.460 so arbitrarily.

00:23:25.220 And it's not just

00:23:25.780 in the case of commercial space,

00:23:27.020 we've seen that Canada,

00:23:28.500 Germany, Portugal,

00:23:29.440 have all been saying

00:23:31.660 they're rethinking

00:23:32.380 buying F-35s.

00:23:33.940 I've heard from Microsoft

00:23:35.120 and Google directly

00:23:36.080 and Amazon

00:23:36.540 that they're having questions

00:23:38.300 about whether

00:23:38.800 they can still sell

00:23:40.040 their services.

00:23:40.660 We've also seen

00:23:43.040 foreign adversaries

00:23:44.200 and friends

00:23:45.060 take advantage

00:23:47.440 of this riff

00:23:48.660 in our national security areas

00:23:51.460 and our scientists.

00:23:53.480 Germany has already

00:23:54.640 put out ads

00:23:55.660 trying to attract

00:23:57.600 some of our best scientists

00:23:58.700 who've been riffed.

00:24:00.160 And the Chinese

00:24:02.260 intelligence agencies

00:24:03.480 are posting

00:24:05.000 on social media sites

00:24:06.220 in the hopes

00:24:07.080 of luring individuals

00:24:09.440 with that national

00:24:10.780 security clearance

00:24:11.720 who've been pushed out

00:24:13.660 perhaps arbitrarily

00:24:14.840 to come into their service.

00:24:17.700 So no,

00:24:19.020 the signal fiasco

00:24:20.160 is not a one-off.

00:24:24.660 It is unfortunately

00:24:25.740 a pattern

00:24:26.260 we're seeing

00:24:26.900 too often repeated.

00:24:28.720 I fear

00:24:29.360 that we feel

00:24:30.180 the erosion of trust

00:24:31.480 from our workplace,

00:24:33.220 from our companies,

00:24:34.460 and from our allies

00:24:35.760 and partners

00:24:36.440 can't be put back

00:24:37.820 in the bottle overnight.

00:24:39.440 Make no mistake,

00:24:41.180 these actions

00:24:42.260 make America

00:24:43.080 less safe.

00:24:44.080 Thank you,

00:24:44.480 Mr. Chairman.

00:24:48.160 Before I turn

00:24:49.340 to the witnesses' hearing,

00:24:51.200 I want to welcome

00:24:51.820 everyone

00:24:52.420 in our large audience

00:24:53.800 today.

00:24:55.220 I also

00:24:55.780 want to note

00:24:56.780 that we will not

00:24:57.540 tolerate any discussions.

00:24:57.660 Let's bring in

00:24:58.220 Jack Basovic.

00:24:59.280 Jack,

00:24:59.820 Jack,

00:25:02.040 put in perspective

00:25:03.360 your naval

00:25:04.080 intelligence officer,

00:25:05.400 this was a hearing

00:25:06.620 important enough

00:25:07.780 on its own

00:25:08.360 about exactly

00:25:09.000 where we stand,

00:25:09.860 but given

00:25:10.640 the context

00:25:11.800 of what's happened

00:25:12.540 or what's been revealed

00:25:13.740 over the last 24,

00:25:14.640 48 hours,

00:25:15.440 how important

00:25:16.260 is this today,

00:25:17.020 particularly for

00:25:17.880 Ratcliffe,

00:25:19.240 Cash,

00:25:19.780 and Tulsi Gabbard,

00:25:20.780 sir?

00:25:22.360 Well, Steve,

00:25:23.140 I think this is

00:25:24.020 incredibly important.

00:25:25.080 Look,

00:25:25.220 we've got our entire

00:25:26.220 heads of our

00:25:27.480 national security team

00:25:28.920 that are up there.

00:25:30.740 This is the team

00:25:31.560 that,

00:25:31.920 keep in mind,

00:25:32.520 just go through

00:25:33.920 the wider context

00:25:35.060 of beyond the Red Sea,

00:25:37.080 beyond the Strait

00:25:37.900 of Babel Mendev,

00:25:38.940 beyond the two

00:25:40.060 carrier groups

00:25:40.840 who've got the

00:25:41.460 Paul Vinson,

00:25:42.300 which is steaming there,

00:25:43.080 the Truman,

00:25:43.600 which is all,

00:25:44.260 by the way,

00:25:44.660 taking fire in

00:25:45.920 just the last 24 hours

00:25:47.780 by who these,

00:25:48.620 they're having to

00:25:49.420 shoot down these drones

00:25:50.320 and everything

00:25:51.100 time and time again,

00:25:52.520 that you've got a

00:25:53.360 situation where

00:25:54.860 we're on the brink

00:25:56.200 or were potentially

00:25:57.160 on the brink

00:25:57.720 of World War III

00:25:58.860 prior to this team

00:26:00.060 getting into office

00:26:01.700 and through their

00:26:02.420 diplomacy,

00:26:03.740 DNI Gabbard,

00:26:04.660 she just came back,

00:26:05.460 Lieutenant Colonel,

00:26:06.280 on an entire

00:26:06.880 worldwide trip

00:26:07.880 talking and conducting

00:26:09.260 this diplomacy.

00:26:10.600 Secretary Hegseth

00:26:11.460 has just embarked

00:26:12.600 on his own trip

00:26:13.380 right now.

00:26:14.140 You had J.D. Vance

00:26:14.940 going over to Munich

00:26:15.980 as the vice president

00:26:16.980 and then,

00:26:18.020 of course,

00:26:18.260 Steve Whitcoff

00:26:18.820 as the emissary

00:26:19.640 of President Trump

00:26:20.500 himself going

00:26:21.740 to places

00:26:22.620 like Moscow,

00:26:24.060 going directly

00:26:25.200 to Israel

00:26:26.580 and Gaza

00:26:27.520 and has even

00:26:28.400 discussed potentially

00:26:29.320 some back channels

00:26:30.140 if you caught his

00:26:30.740 interview over the

00:26:31.360 weekend.

00:26:32.160 With Tucker,

00:26:32.720 he's been having

00:26:33.220 back channel

00:26:33.660 communications

00:26:34.280 with the Iranians.

00:26:36.000 So this is

00:26:36.780 an incredibly,

00:26:37.960 an incredibly

00:26:38.780 fraught time

00:26:39.640 where we could

00:26:40.980 see conflicts

00:26:41.940 erupt.

00:26:43.200 They're working

00:26:43.800 to tamp this

00:26:44.520 all down.

00:26:45.480 And what I saw,

00:26:47.080 I'll put it this way,

00:26:47.900 it's a non-starter

00:26:48.640 that this guy

00:26:49.700 was added,

00:26:50.480 that this thing leaked.

00:26:51.480 It's a non-starter

00:26:52.280 that the signal chat

00:26:53.300 came out.

00:26:53.880 That's for sure.

00:26:55.680 And look,

00:26:56.300 we can't sit here

00:26:57.120 and honestly say

00:26:58.600 that we went

00:26:59.380 after Hillary

00:26:59.900 so hard

00:27:00.560 for the emails

00:27:01.300 and then act

00:27:02.140 like this

00:27:02.500 isn't a big deal.

00:27:03.240 We just can't

00:27:03.680 do that.

00:27:04.480 So that's a non-starter.

00:27:06.180 That's number one.

00:27:07.420 But what I have to say

00:27:08.540 is they need

00:27:09.500 to understand

00:27:10.460 the content.

00:27:10.720 Hang on one second.

00:27:13.360 Let's just go to Tulsi.

00:27:14.740 Here she's saying

00:27:15.360 we're going to come

00:27:15.800 right back to you

00:27:16.460 but the framing of this.

00:27:17.620 illicit activity

00:27:19.400 from narcotics trafficking

00:27:21.260 to money laundering

00:27:22.460 to smuggling

00:27:23.340 of illegal immigrants

00:27:24.280 and human trafficking

00:27:25.240 which endanger the health,

00:27:27.520 welfare and safety

00:27:28.360 of everyday Americans.

00:27:30.360 Based on the latest

00:27:31.380 reporting available

00:27:32.120 for a year-long period

00:27:33.260 ending October 2024,

00:27:35.520 cartels were largely

00:27:36.380 responsible for the deaths

00:27:37.700 of more than 54,000

00:27:39.980 U.S. citizens

00:27:40.920 from synthetic opioids.

00:27:42.700 Mexico-based

00:27:44.660 transnational

00:27:45.340 criminal organizations

00:27:46.560 or TCOs

00:27:47.960 are the main suppliers

00:27:48.960 of illicit fentanyl

00:27:50.020 to the U.S. market

00:27:50.940 and are adapting

00:27:52.480 to enforcement

00:27:53.420 and regulatory pressures

00:27:54.820 by using multiple sources

00:27:56.780 and methods

00:27:57.300 to procure precursor

00:27:58.780 chemicals and equipment

00:27:59.960 primarily from China

00:28:01.500 and India.

00:28:02.600 Many of which

00:28:03.420 are dual-use chemicals

00:28:04.720 used in legitimate industries.

00:28:07.780 Independent fentanyl producers

00:28:09.420 are also increasingly

00:28:10.860 fragmenting the drug trade

00:28:12.220 in Mexico.

00:28:13.580 The availability

00:28:14.180 of precursor chemicals

00:28:15.640 and ease of making

00:28:17.400 illicit fentanyl

00:28:18.240 have enabled

00:28:18.740 independent actors

00:28:19.680 to increase

00:28:20.560 illicit fentanyl production

00:28:21.980 and smuggling operations

00:28:23.660 in Mexico.

00:28:25.920 Cartels are profiting

00:28:27.260 from human trafficking

00:28:28.420 and have likely facilitated

00:28:30.220 more than 2 million

00:28:31.260 illegal immigrants

00:28:32.140 encountered by law enforcement

00:28:33.500 at the U.S. southwest border

00:28:35.060 in 2024 alone,

00:28:37.840 straining our vital resources

00:28:39.220 and putting the American people

00:28:40.700 at risk.

00:28:41.260 Criminal groups

00:28:43.320 drive much of the unrest

00:28:44.620 and lawlessness

00:28:45.220 in the Western Hemisphere.

00:28:46.900 They also engage

00:28:47.620 in extortion,

00:28:48.840 weapons and human smuggling

00:28:49.980 and other illicit

00:28:50.800 and dangerous revenue-seeking operations

00:28:52.860 including kidnappings

00:28:54.720 for ransom,

00:28:55.780 forced labor

00:28:56.400 and sex trafficking.

00:28:58.260 These and other

00:28:58.860 human traffickers

00:28:59.720 exploit vulnerable individuals

00:29:01.160 and groups

00:29:01.720 by promising well-paying jobs

00:29:03.420 while confiscating

00:29:04.860 their identification documents.

00:29:07.080 They operate

00:29:07.580 in the shadows,

00:29:08.880 exploiting lawlessness

00:29:09.740 in various areas

00:29:10.800 and using coercion

00:29:12.240 and intimidation

00:29:13.340 to control their victims.

00:29:16.000 While these key drivers

00:29:17.380 of migrants

00:29:18.140 are expected to persist,

00:29:20.060 heightened U.S. border

00:29:20.860 security enforcement

00:29:21.860 and deportations

00:29:23.000 under the Trump administration

00:29:24.220 are proving to serve

00:29:25.280 as a deterrent

00:29:26.040 for migrants

00:29:27.100 seeking to illegally

00:29:28.020 cross U.S. borders.

00:29:30.180 U.S. border patrol

00:29:31.160 apprehensions

00:29:31.800 along the southwest border

00:29:33.000 in January 2025

00:29:34.420 dropped 85%

00:29:36.480 from the same period

00:29:37.640 in 2024.

00:29:40.680 Transnational

00:29:41.240 Islamist extremists

00:29:42.400 such as ISIS

00:29:43.060 and Al-Qaeda

00:29:43.960 and affiliated jihadi groups

00:29:45.540 continue to pursue,

00:29:47.100 enable,

00:29:47.480 or inspire attacks

00:29:48.520 against the United States

00:29:50.160 and our citizens

00:29:51.100 abroad

00:29:51.760 and within the homeland

00:29:52.920 to advance

00:29:53.840 their ultimate objective

00:29:54.840 of establishing

00:29:56.080 a global Islamist caliphate.

00:29:58.060 This includes

00:29:58.860 heightened efforts

00:29:59.460 to spread their ideology

00:30:00.660 to recruit

00:30:01.340 and radicalize

00:30:02.060 individuals

00:30:02.580 in the U.S.

00:30:03.820 and the West.

00:30:05.540 While the New Year's Day

00:30:06.420 attacker in New Orleans

00:30:07.380 had no known

00:30:08.360 direct contact

00:30:09.220 with ISIS terrorists,

00:30:11.020 he was influenced

00:30:11.840 and radicalized

00:30:12.840 by ISIS ideological

00:30:14.120 propaganda

00:30:14.960 as one example.

00:30:17.180 Al-Qaeda

00:30:17.560 and its affiliates

00:30:18.520 continue to call

00:30:19.560 for attacks

00:30:20.140 against the United States

00:30:21.240 as they conduct

00:30:22.240 attacks overseas.

00:30:25.000 These jihadist groups

00:30:25.920 have shown their ability

00:30:27.040 to adapt and evolve

00:30:28.140 including using

00:30:29.260 new technologies

00:30:30.120 and tactics

00:30:30.840 to spread their ideology

00:30:32.380 and recruit new followers.

00:30:35.020 A range of non-state

00:30:36.400 cyber criminals

00:30:37.080 are also targeting

00:30:37.940 our economic interests,

00:30:39.700 critical infrastructure,

00:30:40.920 and advanced

00:30:41.400 commercial capability

00:30:42.400 for extortion,

00:30:43.780 other coercive pursuits,

00:30:45.600 and financial gain.

00:30:47.580 These actors

00:30:48.540 use a variety

00:30:49.140 of tactics

00:30:49.800 including phishing,

00:30:51.140 ransomware,

00:30:51.700 and denial-of-service

00:30:52.540 attacks

00:30:53.060 to disrupt our systems

00:30:54.580 and steal sensitive

00:30:55.820 and lucrative information

00:30:57.040 using available technologies

00:30:58.980 and U.S. cyber vulnerabilities.

00:31:02.360 Ransomware actors

00:31:03.180 last year,

00:31:03.760 for example,

00:31:04.300 attacked the largest

00:31:05.020 payment processor

00:31:05.940 for U.S. healthcare institutions

00:31:07.460 and another set

00:31:09.660 of criminal actors

00:31:10.520 conducted cyber attacks

00:31:11.840 against U.S. water utilities.

00:31:14.420 Some of these

00:31:15.220 non-state cyber actors

00:31:16.220 also operate

00:31:17.020 as proxies

00:31:17.700 for or emulate

00:31:18.740 similar activities

00:31:19.680 carried out

00:31:20.140 by major state actors.

00:31:21.360 While these non-state

00:31:22.980 cyber actors

00:31:23.640 often seek financial

00:31:24.820 and intellectual

00:31:25.540 property gains,

00:31:27.020 they also carry out

00:31:27.980 cyber operations

00:31:28.860 for espionage purposes

00:31:30.560 targeting

00:31:31.280 our critical infrastructure.

00:31:34.080 Turning to key

00:31:35.160 state actors,

00:31:36.140 the I.C.

00:31:36.800 sees China,

00:31:37.780 Russia,

00:31:38.240 Iran,

00:31:38.640 and North Korea

00:31:39.380 engaging in activities

00:31:40.720 that could challenge

00:31:41.600 U.S. capabilities

00:31:42.460 and interests

00:31:43.180 We're going to get back

00:31:44.000 to this.

00:31:44.380 There's so much going on

00:31:45.240 that we're going to get back

00:31:46.880 to Tulsi

00:31:47.400 in the moment

00:31:48.000 with some of the

00:31:48.420 opening statements.

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00:35:51.260 Bring Jack

00:35:52.240 Posobiec

00:35:52.480 back in.

00:35:54.040 Jack,

00:35:55.480 today,

00:35:56.160 obviously,

00:35:56.860 this unclassified

00:35:58.060 briefing on the threats.

00:36:00.160 We know the

00:36:00.620 Chinese Communist Party

00:36:01.700 and they always

00:36:02.540 get underplayed,

00:36:03.360 I think,

00:36:03.940 as far as the real

00:36:04.800 threat goes

00:36:05.340 because they're

00:36:05.700 going to throw

00:36:05.940 Russia in there

00:36:06.700 and other people,

00:36:08.660 which are clearly,

00:36:09.980 you know,

00:36:10.440 Russia,

00:36:10.960 the KGB guys

00:36:12.100 that run out

00:36:12.440 are bad guys,

00:36:13.260 very bad guys.

00:36:14.560 You always got to be

00:36:15.200 on the lookout for it,

00:36:16.340 but the CCP

00:36:16.960 is so overwhelmingly

00:36:18.040 evil

00:36:19.400 in their focus

00:36:20.880 on the destruction

00:36:21.580 of the United States.

00:36:23.060 But the topic today

00:36:24.260 is the Democrats,

00:36:25.300 if they have to land

00:36:26.920 this hearing

00:36:27.780 and they have to

00:36:28.580 draw blood

00:36:29.260 from Tulsi Gabbard

00:36:30.840 and Ratcliffe,

00:36:31.600 what they're going

00:36:31.960 to try to do

00:36:32.500 is elicit from them

00:36:33.940 that it was a mistake,

00:36:36.600 elicit from them

00:36:37.180 as two of the senior

00:36:38.480 intelligence officers

00:36:40.060 that there was

00:36:42.000 classified information

00:36:43.020 because now you have

00:36:43.680 Caroline Levitt

00:36:44.520 and Pete Hegseth

00:36:45.980 both on the record

00:36:47.060 saying there was

00:36:48.020 no classified information.

00:36:49.380 Caroline put out

00:36:50.180 a statement

00:36:51.180 this morning

00:36:51.760 and I think

00:36:53.180 the big target

00:36:53.900 here today

00:36:54.360 is going to be

00:36:54.700 Kash Patel.

00:36:55.440 They're going to

00:36:56.500 jump on Kash

00:36:58.540 for an independent

00:36:59.620 investigation.

00:37:01.080 Am I correct

00:37:02.120 in those

00:37:02.700 or directionally

00:37:03.380 correct in those,

00:37:04.140 Jack Posobiec?

00:37:05.760 Well, Steve,

00:37:06.140 I think you are

00:37:06.600 directionally correct

00:37:07.440 and you're already

00:37:08.320 seeing this bubble

00:37:09.080 up on the Democrat side

00:37:10.280 where they're calling

00:37:11.000 for,

00:37:11.740 they want an impeachment.

00:37:12.940 They think that they

00:37:13.600 can pick off

00:37:14.060 a cabinet member here

00:37:15.100 and they think

00:37:15.660 that this scandal

00:37:17.020 gives them the ability

00:37:18.160 to be able

00:37:19.620 to do this

00:37:20.240 so they're first

00:37:21.360 going to start

00:37:21.720 with the independent

00:37:22.300 investigation.

00:37:23.120 They're going to demand

00:37:23.720 that Kash Patel,

00:37:24.960 Pam Bondi set up.

00:37:26.340 They would love,

00:37:27.000 by the way,

00:37:27.340 a special prosecutor.

00:37:28.580 Remember,

00:37:29.180 this is what

00:37:30.060 the Democrats did

00:37:31.340 through the power

00:37:32.260 of the institutional

00:37:33.320 state in government

00:37:34.560 in 2017.

00:37:36.380 It's the exact

00:37:37.280 same thing.

00:37:38.840 They took something

00:37:39.500 now, by the way,

00:37:40.580 in 2017,

00:37:41.600 Russiagate,

00:37:42.040 which wasn't real,

00:37:42.980 which was completely fake,

00:37:44.280 and they got this

00:37:45.060 entire investigation

00:37:45.960 going,

00:37:46.660 James Comey,

00:37:47.380 which turned into

00:37:48.120 Robert Mueller,

00:37:48.860 after Comey got fired,

00:37:50.040 et cetera,

00:37:50.600 et cetera,

00:37:51.060 Rob Rosenstein,

00:37:52.240 and Jeff Sessions

00:37:53.160 co-signing the whole deal.

00:37:54.380 We remember

00:37:54.880 every step of the way,

00:37:56.200 and it paralyzed

00:37:57.060 the administration.

00:37:58.420 They are salivating

00:38:00.220 over the ability

00:38:01.080 to do that again

00:38:02.000 and potentially pick off

00:38:03.240 a cabinet member

00:38:04.360 if they keep

00:38:05.060 this ball rolling.

00:38:05.820 So I can understand,

00:38:06.720 by the way,

00:38:07.380 why President Trump

00:38:08.480 is trying to put

00:38:09.100 the brakes on this

00:38:09.920 because he remembers

00:38:10.900 that when Flynn

00:38:12.000 was let go

00:38:12.700 in the beginning

00:38:13.420 of the administration

00:38:14.680 when this all started,

00:38:15.940 that didn't stem

00:38:17.040 the bleeding.

00:38:17.960 And so he's looking

00:38:18.820 potentially at

00:38:19.820 a comprehensive response

00:38:21.720 to the entire thing.

00:38:23.860 Hold it.

00:38:24.340 Hold it.

00:38:25.420 Not only did not

00:38:26.480 stem the bleeding

00:38:27.280 when General Flynn

00:38:28.320 was let go

00:38:28.840 in the first 30 days,

00:38:30.600 it showed them

00:38:31.400 that we could be,

00:38:32.600 I mean,

00:38:32.880 the attacks increased

00:38:34.300 because they realized

00:38:35.140 you wouldn't protect,

00:38:36.500 you wouldn't hunker down

00:38:37.280 and protect your people,

00:38:38.760 right?

00:38:38.940 That was a huge controversy

00:38:39.940 inside the administration

00:38:41.020 about General Flynn

00:38:41.840 about hunkering down

00:38:42.980 or letting Flynn go,

00:38:44.540 which in hindsight,

00:38:45.360 I think it was a major

00:38:47.340 mistake at the time.

00:38:49.220 But here's,

00:38:49.680 so to put it

00:38:50.380 in perspective,

00:38:51.060 folks,

00:38:51.360 on this resistance,

00:38:53.560 last night,

00:38:54.700 the White House

00:38:56.720 decreed that the information

00:38:59.180 about the terrorist groups

00:39:00.220 were state secrets.

00:39:01.280 I want you to explain that,

00:39:02.320 Jack,

00:39:02.980 because Matt Gaetz put out,

00:39:04.500 tweeted out right away,

00:39:05.440 game over on this judge.

00:39:07.400 Mike Davis is going to

00:39:08.160 try to join us

00:39:08.720 later this morning

00:39:09.440 if we can fit it in.

00:39:10.740 Davis is of the exact opposite.

00:39:12.680 He thinks the judge

00:39:14.040 just doubles or triples down.

00:39:15.440 So they're trying

00:39:16.480 to come at President Trump

00:39:17.740 and President Trump's

00:39:18.960 administration

00:39:19.540 from every way

00:39:20.700 and block

00:39:21.460 what he's trying to do.

00:39:22.840 The most significant thing

00:39:24.000 he's trying to do overall

00:39:25.120 is change

00:39:25.940 geo-economically

00:39:27.180 and geo-strategically.

00:39:28.380 This is where the tariffs

00:39:29.160 come in

00:39:29.720 to the national security aspect.

00:39:31.920 Totally change

00:39:32.960 the existing structure

00:39:34.420 of the world order

00:39:35.280 from post-World War II

00:39:36.460 to today

00:39:37.040 that makes it

00:39:37.540 America first

00:39:38.200 and American citizens first.

00:39:39.840 This is where

00:39:40.440 they're coming after him

00:39:41.400 as commander-in-chief.

00:39:42.420 This hearing today

00:39:43.240 is about shutting down

00:39:45.400 President Trump's

00:39:46.220 chosen team

00:39:47.440 on the intelligence side,

00:39:49.380 on information warfare side,

00:39:51.460 and to roll it up

00:39:52.560 and to get a couple of scalps.

00:39:54.260 And this is what

00:39:54.780 the Democrats

00:39:55.320 are going to do,

00:39:55.980 Jack Basovic.

00:39:57.760 100 percent, Steve.

00:39:58.880 And you and the

00:39:59.940 warm audience

00:40:00.500 knows that we call this

00:40:01.460 the nullification project

00:40:03.340 back from 2017 onwards.

00:40:06.040 They're trying to attempt

00:40:07.220 to rerun

00:40:08.020 the nullification play.

00:40:09.240 They started this,

00:40:10.100 by the way,

00:40:10.580 with Rosie O'Donnell

00:40:11.320 and others saying

00:40:12.240 that Elon Musk

00:40:13.040 stole the election,

00:40:14.160 et cetera.

00:40:14.660 But that really

00:40:15.300 didn't go anywhere.

00:40:16.260 They had the Tesla terrorists.

00:40:17.480 Now they've jumped

00:40:18.140 onto this one.

00:40:18.700 They say,

00:40:18.940 this one's got some legs.

00:40:20.440 This one we can point to.

00:40:21.560 We can nullify Trump.

00:40:22.940 We get the judges

00:40:23.700 to go in

00:40:24.460 and have them shut down

00:40:26.400 the executive orders.

00:40:27.660 Then we can go on offense

00:40:28.880 with a special counsel,

00:40:30.580 potentially an independent

00:40:32.000 investigation,

00:40:33.400 et cetera, et cetera,

00:40:34.520 kick off cabinet members

00:40:35.860 one by one.

00:40:36.500 And what they want, Steve,

00:40:37.980 what they want

00:40:38.620 is to create a situation

00:40:39.720 where you've got

00:40:40.520 the cabinet members

00:40:41.560 fighting each other.

00:40:43.280 Cabinet members,

00:40:44.240 intelligence,

00:40:44.860 the highest intel agencies here,

00:40:46.920 the intel officers,

00:40:47.900 they want that infighting

00:40:49.760 to produce,

00:40:51.160 like we saw in 2017,

00:40:52.980 a culture where

00:40:54.140 everything grinds

00:40:55.500 to a complete halt

00:40:56.340 and the agenda

00:40:57.220 can't keep moving forward.

00:40:59.160 That's what President Trump,

00:41:00.400 and he's looking downfield,

00:41:01.740 he understands

00:41:02.740 that he was saved

00:41:04.120 on the day

00:41:06.080 in Butler, Pennsylvania,

00:41:07.140 July 13th,

00:41:08.040 when he was supposed to be,

00:41:09.720 in his mind,

00:41:10.440 he said this all over and over,

00:41:11.860 that that bullet

00:41:12.440 was intended for him,

00:41:13.440 that God saved him

00:41:14.280 to continue this agenda,

00:41:15.800 to do this work

00:41:16.900 and perform this mission.

00:41:18.260 And so that's where

00:41:19.140 he's got his eyes on,

00:41:20.180 and I think

00:41:20.820 that that's exactly correct

00:41:22.640 and that he needs

00:41:23.440 to put past

00:41:24.200 all of this stuff

00:41:25.180 in order to keep

00:41:26.260 delivering on that agenda.

00:41:27.960 And by the way,

00:41:28.800 that's the agenda

00:41:29.700 that's got more,

00:41:30.500 go look at CNN,

00:41:32.160 they got the report

00:41:32.720 up this morning,

00:41:33.580 that more Americans

00:41:34.820 now believe

00:41:35.720 that America

00:41:36.260 is on the right track

00:41:37.360 than at any other time

00:41:38.940 in recent history.

00:41:40.320 That's the agenda,

00:41:41.240 the MAGA,

00:41:42.000 MAHA agenda

00:41:42.920 that this administration

00:41:44.200 has put together.

00:41:45.180 That's the tariffs,

00:41:46.060 the restructuring

00:41:46.680 of the world border,

00:41:47.820 making it so that

00:41:48.420 we're not going to be

00:41:49.240 this global government

00:41:50.400 anymore.

00:41:51.000 Look, if there's pirates

00:41:51.780 attacking the ships,

00:41:53.100 of course you go

00:41:54.240 after the pirates.

00:41:55.000 That goes back

00:41:55.600 to Jefferson, okay?

00:41:56.940 That's simple,

00:41:57.860 but that doesn't mean

00:41:58.680 we're going to get

00:41:59.180 into this World War III situation.

00:42:00.900 By the way,

00:42:01.420 that's the actual content

00:42:03.280 of the conversation

00:42:04.500 that I read yesterday.

00:42:07.680 The importance of this,

00:42:13.440 they have a judicial insurrection.

00:42:16.560 And President Trump,

00:42:17.380 by calling what happened

00:42:19.560 state secrets,

00:42:21.160 they're ratcheting up

00:42:22.180 to put down this revolt

00:42:23.500 of the judiciary

00:42:24.360 and try to nip it

00:42:26.040 in the bud right now.

00:42:27.280 What you're seeing

00:42:28.240 is what this is giving

00:42:29.740 an opening to

00:42:31.140 is exactly the way

00:42:33.380 they thwarted

00:42:35.120 President Trump's first term

00:42:37.020 and that's to bring

00:42:37.740 the deep state in.

00:42:39.000 Now you're in the

00:42:39.920 intelligence community, right?

00:42:41.300 Now they can bring

00:42:42.100 all the resources

00:42:43.080 they have,

00:42:43.840 all the embeds

00:42:44.980 in DNI,

00:42:46.460 CIA,

00:42:47.340 DIA,

00:42:48.420 working in conjunction

00:42:50.000 with this committee,

00:42:51.480 right,

00:42:51.840 and House Intelligence,

00:42:52.820 which has all these

00:42:53.800 demons on it.

00:42:55.100 This is what the threat

00:42:57.180 is doing is bringing up

00:42:58.660 and this is why

00:42:59.240 it's got to be fought.

00:43:01.140 And I think President Trump

00:43:01.980 to Garrett Haake,

00:43:02.940 I mean,

00:43:03.300 give me your thoughts on that.

00:43:04.880 He told Garrett Haake

00:43:05.680 this morning of NBC News,

00:43:07.500 Waltz is a good man.

00:43:09.700 He didn't really

00:43:10.540 do anything wrong.

00:43:11.400 He apologizes for it.

00:43:14.200 He's my guy

00:43:15.020 and he's going to stick around.

00:43:16.520 Thoughts on that,

00:43:17.280 Jack Posovic.

00:43:17.960 On the deep state particularly,

00:43:19.320 this is the opening

00:43:20.080 of the deep state.

00:43:20.740 You got a judicial insurrection

00:43:22.020 with the courts.

00:43:23.280 We know these radical Marxists

00:43:24.820 on that.

00:43:25.660 Now you've got the deep state.

00:43:26.980 It's going to be a pincer move

00:43:28.340 on President Trump

00:43:29.680 and the administration.

00:43:31.420 Well, Steve,

00:43:32.080 I think it's exactly that.

00:43:33.560 I think he's remembering

00:43:34.480 the 2017 experience

00:43:36.760 when,

00:43:37.520 very similar way,

00:43:39.120 you had people come out

00:43:40.340 from places like the Atlantic

00:43:41.980 who were completely

00:43:43.480 and intrinsically involved,

00:43:44.980 intimately involved.

00:43:45.820 When you talk about

00:43:46.520 Ann Applebaum

00:43:47.180 with the deep state,

00:43:48.680 she's very intimately involved.

00:43:50.760 And with Sikorsky

00:43:52.000 and Mr. Raddick over there,

00:43:53.280 that he remembers

00:43:55.360 what happened

00:43:56.080 when he fired Flynn

00:43:57.300 in 2017

00:43:58.440 and how everything spiraled

00:44:00.260 out of control

00:44:01.160 after that.

00:44:02.260 Mike Pence,

00:44:02.820 by the way,

00:44:03.280 playing a huge role

00:44:04.240 in the firing of Flynn.

00:44:05.480 Mike Pence lying to Trump

00:44:07.240 about what Flynn

00:44:07.960 had said to him

00:44:08.720 regarding the Russian ambassador.

00:44:10.680 So it was Mike Pence

00:44:11.480 playing the role,

00:44:12.200 the Judas role,

00:44:13.140 even all the way back

00:44:14.260 in the early days

00:44:15.080 of the administration.

00:44:15.760 So I believe that Trump

00:44:17.480 understands that

00:44:18.660 and he's looking at this

00:44:20.400 as a fastball

00:44:21.940 that's coming at him.

00:44:22.780 He's reading the stitches

00:44:23.540 on the fastball

00:44:24.260 and saying,

00:44:24.740 wait a minute,

00:44:25.520 they want me

00:44:26.700 to swing at this.

00:44:27.820 They want me to react.

00:44:29.160 I'm not going to react

00:44:30.000 in their time.

00:44:30.840 I'm going to react

00:44:31.660 in my own time.

00:44:32.840 That being said,

00:44:33.640 look,

00:44:34.060 you've got to be more careful

00:44:35.220 with your comp sec.

00:44:36.000 You've got to understand

00:44:37.180 the situation.

00:44:38.100 You can't have this stuff

00:44:38.860 going on where reporters

00:44:40.340 are coming in on that.

00:44:41.200 We all understand that.

00:44:42.280 But what's potentially

00:44:43.820 the bigger threat?

00:44:45.580 The bigger threat

00:44:46.480 is that the MAGA agenda

00:44:47.800 goes off the rails

00:44:48.840 the way that it did

00:44:49.600 in 2017.

00:44:50.940 That if you give,

00:44:52.620 the sharks are already

00:44:53.680 up in the water, right?

00:44:54.520 The sharks are in the water.

00:44:55.460 So if you're chumming

00:44:56.140 the waters,

00:44:56.800 if you throw them

00:44:57.780 a Mike Waltz

00:44:58.560 or you throw them

00:44:59.920 a General Flynn,

00:45:00.920 now guess what?

00:45:01.800 They're going to want more.

00:45:03.420 They're going to want more

00:45:04.360 and more and more

00:45:05.480 and it never stops.

00:45:07.340 So that's what allows

00:45:08.920 this to keep going on.

00:45:10.480 Keep the agenda moving.

00:45:11.960 Keep the momentum.

00:45:13.240 Keep flooding the system.

00:45:14.820 Enact the regime change

00:45:16.500 that's really going on.

00:45:18.040 That's the true mission

00:45:18.920 right now.

00:45:19.340 And by the way,

00:45:20.180 and by the way,

00:45:20.740 if President Trump

00:45:21.360 wants to make a decision

00:45:22.360 on his national security team,

00:45:24.560 that's his prerogative

00:45:26.320 because they all serve

00:45:27.920 the pleasure

00:45:28.520 of the commander-in-chief.

00:45:31.500 My staff is going to let us know

00:45:33.740 if Cotton's asking

00:45:35.940 any question about the thread,

00:45:37.260 we'll jump right into it.

00:45:38.180 He was asking

00:45:38.500 a general question.

00:45:39.840 We'll go to the Democrats' questions

00:45:41.140 because we know

00:45:41.600 they're going to be snarky.

00:45:43.200 For Jack,

00:45:45.360 let's go to it.

00:45:46.020 Let's go and go

00:45:46.700 to Tom Cotton's question

00:45:47.840 right now.

00:45:48.960 Immigrants have posed

00:45:49.980 not just to Arkansas

00:45:50.820 but our nation,

00:45:52.140 perhaps including

00:45:53.360 some of the details

00:45:54.220 of the horrific offenses

00:45:56.200 they've committed

00:45:57.380 against the American people.

00:45:58.340 Thank you,

00:45:59.440 Mr. Chairman.

00:45:59.940 Mr. Vice Chairman.

00:46:02.260 Witness will suspend.

00:46:04.420 The greatest threat

00:46:05.440 to global security

00:46:06.480 is Israel

00:46:07.120 and the whole world knows it.

00:46:08.880 Stop funding Israel!

00:46:10.720 Stop funding Israel!

00:46:12.700 Stop funding Israel!

00:46:14.800 Stop funding Israel!

00:46:17.180 So that protester

00:46:18.340 was a code pink lunatic

00:46:20.160 saying the greatest threat

00:46:22.800 to world peace

00:46:25.220 is funding Israel.

00:46:26.800 I will observe

00:46:28.420 for the benefit

00:46:29.480 of the audience

00:46:30.100 here on television

00:46:30.920 that code pink

00:46:32.140 is funded

00:46:33.220 by communist China

00:46:34.860 as well

00:46:35.560 which simply illustrates

00:46:37.420 speak up now

00:46:39.240 if you want to be removed

00:46:40.100 as well

00:46:40.520 whoever's saying that.

00:46:41.540 In my heart

00:46:43.740 I would care

00:46:45.600 to be careful

00:46:46.200 if I'm a son

00:46:47.660 code pink

00:46:48.840 is not

00:46:50.340 a one-less thing

00:46:51.720 I would argue

00:46:52.740 something

00:46:53.120 I would argue

00:46:53.740 I would argue

00:46:54.740 I would argue

00:46:55.740 if anyone else

00:46:59.440 would like to join them

00:47:00.400 speak now please

00:47:01.440 so we don't have

00:47:01.880 any more disruptions

00:47:02.920 as I was saying

00:47:05.740 the fact that

00:47:07.120 communist China

00:47:08.100 funds code pink

00:47:10.040 which interrupts

00:47:11.120 a hearing like this

00:47:12.020 about Israel

00:47:12.800 simply illustrate

00:47:13.920 director Gabbard's

00:47:15.460 point

00:47:15.880 that China

00:47:17.360 Russia

00:47:18.220 Iran

00:47:19.200 North Korea

00:47:20.160 and other American

00:47:21.340 adversaries

00:47:22.020 are working

00:47:22.680 in concert

00:47:23.340 to a greater degree

00:47:24.280 than they ever

00:47:24.820 have before

00:47:25.520 director Patel

00:47:27.300 back to my question

00:47:28.980 could you give us

00:47:29.680 some color

00:47:30.200 about the threat

00:47:31.020 that illegal migrants

00:47:32.420 have posed

00:47:33.180 not only to my state

00:47:34.720 which has resulted

00:47:35.340 in nearly 300 arrests

00:47:36.580 in 2025

00:47:37.220 but also to the nation

00:47:39.040 at large

00:47:39.860 thank you Mr. Chairman

00:47:41.100 Mr. Vice Chairman

00:47:41.840 and members of the committee

00:47:42.840 I appreciate the time

00:47:44.540 to address you all

00:47:45.640 specifically to Arkansas

00:47:46.700 Senator

00:47:47.120 the priorities

00:47:48.520 at the FBI

00:47:49.120 which I identified

00:47:51.240 during my confirmation

00:47:52.040 hearing and since

00:47:52.880 is attacking violent crime

00:47:54.320 along with national security

00:47:55.440 and every single state

00:47:56.820 in this country

00:47:57.460 is a border state

00:47:58.520 Arkansas is no exception

00:47:59.820 allow me to highlight

00:48:01.060 the work of the men

00:48:02.320 and women in the FBI

00:48:03.240 and state and local

00:48:04.280 law enforcement

00:48:04.900 in the state of Arkansas

00:48:05.800 since February 5th

00:48:07.820 we've had 220 illegal immigrants

00:48:10.440 arrested

00:48:11.720 on charges

00:48:13.720 varying from

00:48:14.500 violent offenses

00:48:15.280 weapons offenses

00:48:16.140 narcotics offenses

00:48:17.040 and serious

00:48:17.860 violent felonies

00:48:19.120 253 separate individuals

00:48:22.180 have been charged

00:48:22.840 related to those offenses

00:48:23.940 and here's something

00:48:26.120 I want the American people

00:48:27.040 to hear

00:48:27.380 about narcotics

00:48:29.040 encountering narcotics

00:48:30.060 thousands of pounds

00:48:32.340 of narcotics

00:48:33.100 were seized

00:48:33.700 in these three weeks

00:48:34.820 in the state of Arkansas

00:48:35.780 thousands

00:48:36.580 worth tens of

00:48:37.780 millions of dollars

00:48:38.660 everything from fentanyl

00:48:40.400 to meth

00:48:41.260 to cocaine

00:48:42.220 to heroin

00:48:42.980 to marijuana

00:48:43.800 and more

00:48:44.640 and also including

00:48:46.140 manufactured drugs

00:48:47.800 the FBI

00:48:49.080 does have the biggest

00:48:50.280 footprint in Arkansas

00:48:51.280 but we could not

00:48:51.960 achieve this mission

00:48:52.700 without our state

00:48:53.320 and local law enforcement

00:48:54.160 partners

00:48:54.620 which has been

00:48:55.600 one of the priorities

00:48:56.440 since I took the helm

00:48:57.460 at the FBI

00:48:58.440 they provide the greatest

00:49:00.100 ground level intelligence

00:49:01.160 to conduct these operations

00:49:02.840 in Arkansas

00:49:03.520 and every single state

00:49:04.400 across the union

00:49:05.160 since February 5th

00:49:07.240 we've assisted

00:49:07.780 with the arrest

00:49:08.380 of hundreds

00:49:09.980 of criminals

00:49:11.020 and illegals

00:49:11.660 throughout your state

00:49:12.520 and that was just

00:49:13.500 a three week operation

00:49:14.520 prior to that

00:49:15.280 Senator

00:49:15.620 there was a bust

00:49:16.760 of 17 federal indictments

00:49:18.940 relating to a meth lab

00:49:20.540 in the state of Arkansas

00:49:21.600 in the southwest corner

00:49:22.700 of your state

00:49:23.300 all of those individuals

00:49:24.460 are now facing prosecution

00:49:25.760 for hundreds of pounds

00:49:27.280 of illegal opioids

00:49:28.440 guns

00:49:29.000 and other illicit material

00:49:30.440 so we will continue

00:49:31.920 to do that work

00:49:32.780 we will work

00:49:33.620 seven days a week

00:49:34.740 365 days a year

00:49:35.900 not just in your state

00:49:36.720 Mr. Chairman

00:49:37.260 but in every state

00:49:38.280 Thank you Director Patel

00:49:39.900 as Director Gabbard

00:49:41.180 highlighted

00:49:41.700 from the annual

00:49:42.560 threat report

00:49:43.720 Director Ratcliffe

00:49:45.220 many if not

00:49:47.000 most of the chemical

00:49:48.600 precursors

00:49:49.400 for deadly fentanyl

00:49:50.620 produced by

00:49:51.840 Mexican drug cartels

00:49:53.340 originates in China

00:49:55.020 China of course

00:49:56.740 is a techno

00:49:58.140 totalitarian

00:49:59.100 police state

00:50:00.120 they have technology

00:50:02.160 to monitor

00:50:02.780 their own people

00:50:03.560 that Soviet Russia

00:50:04.700 could have only imagined

00:50:06.100 is there any reason

00:50:07.920 Director Ratcliffe

00:50:08.820 to believe

00:50:09.620 that China

00:50:10.480 could not

00:50:11.300 monitor

00:50:12.200 and crack down

00:50:13.300 on this flow

00:50:14.060 of chemical

00:50:15.220 precursors to Mexico

00:50:16.380 if it chose

00:50:17.440 to do so

00:50:18.100 Thank you Senator

00:50:20.060 for the question

00:50:23.200 no there's nothing

00:50:25.000 that prevent

00:50:25.760 China

00:50:26.380 the People's Republic

00:50:27.620 of China

00:50:28.220 from cracking down

00:50:29.620 on fentanyl

00:50:31.160 precursors

00:50:32.000 as you well know

00:50:33.380 Senator

00:50:33.780 one of the reasons

00:50:35.580 that they don't

00:50:36.400 is that there are

00:50:37.380 more than 600

00:50:38.440 PRC related companies

00:50:40.460 that produce those

00:50:41.360 precursor chemicals

00:50:42.440 in an industry

00:50:43.700 that generates

00:50:44.380 1.5 trillion dollars

00:50:46.580 that is one of the

00:50:49.440 reasons that

00:50:50.060 we see that

00:50:51.200 Chinese

00:50:51.860 efforts

00:50:53.440 to

00:50:54.560 affect

00:50:56.320 the fentanyl

00:50:57.440 precursors

00:50:58.280 are really

00:50:59.820 limited

00:51:00.460 in nature

00:51:01.540 and intermittent

00:51:03.140 in nature

00:51:04.140 and not a

00:51:04.960 dedicated effort

00:51:05.940 to enforce

00:51:07.200 their own laws

00:51:07.900 and regulations

00:51:08.640 to crack down

00:51:10.720 on this

00:51:11.260 Thank you

00:51:13.200 Director Ratcliffe

00:51:14.000 I have many more

00:51:15.700 questions I could ask

00:51:16.880 but I'm going to try

00:51:18.200 to lead by example

00:51:19.140 and stay within

00:51:19.880 the five minute limit

00:51:20.980 for the benefit

00:51:21.600 of senators

00:51:22.160 I remind everyone

00:51:23.120 there is a vote

00:51:24.240 scheduled at noon

00:51:25.460 I hope to finish

00:51:27.000 the open

00:51:27.640 portion of this

00:51:28.620 hearing

00:51:28.960 before that vote

00:51:30.340 closes

00:51:30.740 after which time

00:51:32.120 we will move

00:51:32.580 to the closed

00:51:33.100 portion

00:51:33.500 the vice chairman

00:51:34.260 Thank you Mr. Chairman

00:51:35.480 I'll be happy

00:51:36.080 to take your extra

00:51:36.720 13 seconds

00:51:37.600 but I'm going to go

00:51:39.020 back to what I

00:51:39.460 addressed at the

00:51:39.940 outset

00:51:40.180 I mean

00:51:40.500 this was not only

00:51:41.900 sloppy

00:51:42.320 it not only

00:51:43.520 violated all

00:51:44.160 procedures

00:51:44.620 but if this

00:51:46.740 information

00:51:48.240 had gotten out

00:51:49.160 American lives

00:51:52.400 could have been

00:51:52.740 lost

00:51:53.140 the Houthis

00:51:54.900 had this

00:51:55.260 information

00:51:55.720 could reposition

00:51:56.760 their defensive

00:51:58.560 systems

00:51:59.100 so I want to

00:52:00.940 get a little more

00:52:01.720 information about this

00:52:02.540 Director Gabbard

00:52:03.280 did you participate

00:52:05.000 in the group chat

00:52:05.720 with Secretary of

00:52:06.460 Defense and other

00:52:07.100 Trump senior officials

00:52:08.580 discussing the Yemen

00:52:09.760 war plans

00:52:10.340 Senator I don't want

00:52:12.620 to get into the

00:52:13.240 specifics

00:52:13.540 Ma'am did you

00:52:14.060 were you on

00:52:14.580 you're not going

00:52:15.200 to be willing

00:52:15.520 to address

00:52:15.940 so you're not

00:52:16.740 are you denying

00:52:17.520 answer my question

00:52:19.820 Ma'am

00:52:20.360 you are not TG

00:52:21.860 on this group chat

00:52:22.860 I'm not going to

00:52:25.160 get into the

00:52:25.660 specifics

00:52:25.980 so you refuse to

00:52:26.880 acknowledge whether

00:52:27.600 you are on this

00:52:28.320 group chat

00:52:28.780 Senator I'm not

00:52:30.740 going to get into

00:52:31.500 the specifics

00:52:31.760 why are you

00:52:32.200 going to get into

00:52:32.940 the specifics

00:52:33.380 is it because

00:52:34.480 it's all classified

00:52:35.300 because this is

00:52:36.380 currently under

00:52:37.020 review by the

00:52:37.980 National Security

00:52:38.640 Council

00:52:38.680 because it's all

00:52:39.280 classified

00:52:39.740 if it's not

00:52:40.400 classified

00:52:40.920 share the text

00:52:42.540 now

00:52:42.960 as the White

00:52:45.120 House previously

00:52:45.680 is it classified

00:52:46.480 or non-classified

00:52:47.300 information on this

00:52:48.080 I can confirm

00:52:49.060 Director Radcliffe

00:52:49.720 were you on the

00:52:50.740 group chat

00:52:51.180 Senator I was

00:52:54.660 on a signal

00:52:55.760 messaging group

00:52:57.360 so you were the

00:52:57.960 John Radcliffe

00:52:58.560 on that chat

00:52:59.300 I was

00:52:59.900 thank you

00:53:00.240 thank you

00:53:01.000 can I provide

00:53:01.980 some context

00:53:02.800 Senator to that

00:53:03.860 yes but I've

00:53:05.040 got a series of

00:53:05.900 questions

00:53:06.240 but I think it's

00:53:07.160 important because

00:53:07.940 at the outset

00:53:08.620 you made a couple

00:53:09.700 of comments about

00:53:10.660 signal messaging

00:53:11.620 using encrypted apps

00:53:12.880 so that we're

00:53:13.860 clear

00:53:14.200 one of the first

00:53:15.020 things that happened

00:53:15.700 when I was confirmed

00:53:16.680 as CIA director

00:53:17.900 was signal was loaded

00:53:19.440 onto my computer

00:53:20.420 at the CIA

00:53:21.980 as it is for most

00:53:23.280 CIA officers

00:53:24.460 one of the things

00:53:26.740 that I was briefed

00:53:27.740 on very early

00:53:28.620 Senator

00:53:29.020 was by the CIA

00:53:30.560 records management

00:53:31.960 folks about

00:53:32.740 about the use of

00:53:33.980 signal as a

00:53:35.260 permissible work use

00:53:36.580 it is

00:53:37.560 that is a practice

00:53:38.780 that preceded

00:53:39.840 the current

00:53:40.600 administration

00:53:41.340 to the Biden

00:53:42.060 administration

00:53:42.540 I've got a series

00:53:43.740 of questions

00:53:44.180 I do you

00:53:45.760 if you're making

00:53:46.360 the point

00:53:47.060 if you're making

00:53:47.840 the statement

00:53:48.360 the signal

00:53:49.040 is a secure

00:53:49.760 channel

00:53:50.240 no

00:53:51.800 can I answer

00:53:52.880 that

00:53:53.260 it is

00:53:53.960 I've got a series

00:53:54.760 of encryption

00:53:55.600 so

00:53:56.160 it is

00:53:56.700 permissible

00:53:58.300 to use

00:53:58.880 to communicate

00:53:59.620 and coordinate

00:54:00.880 for work purposes

00:54:02.080 provided

00:54:02.740 provided Senator

00:54:04.100 that any decisions

00:54:05.760 that are made

00:54:06.320 are also

00:54:06.980 recorded

00:54:08.240 through formal

00:54:09.060 channels

00:54:09.620 so

00:54:10.160 those were

00:54:11.100 procedures

00:54:11.740 that were

00:54:12.540 implemented

00:54:13.120 my staff

00:54:15.200 implemented

00:54:15.780 those processes

00:54:16.560 followed those

00:54:17.600 processes

00:54:18.180 complied with

00:54:19.300 those processes

00:54:20.080 and

00:54:20.780 finally

00:54:21.980 just please

00:54:22.660 so

00:54:23.680 my communications

00:54:25.080 to be clear

00:54:26.120 in a signal

00:54:27.060 message group

00:54:27.860 were entirely

00:54:29.060 permissible

00:54:29.920 and lawful

00:54:31.280 and did not

00:54:32.140 include classified

00:54:33.100 information

00:54:33.760 we will make

00:54:34.740 that determination

00:54:35.740 because

00:54:36.440 if it's not

00:54:37.460 classified

00:54:37.960 share the text

00:54:39.200 with the committee

00:54:39.760 you know

00:54:42.880 let me go

00:54:43.280 go on

00:54:43.720 Director Gabbard

00:54:44.760 you are the

00:54:45.600 security executive

00:54:46.640 and set access

00:54:48.380 guidelines

00:54:49.220 for classified

00:54:49.820 information

00:54:50.400 did you

00:54:51.860 contact

00:54:53.460 the defense

00:54:54.080 secretary

00:54:54.520 or others

00:54:55.280 after

00:54:56.340 this specific

00:54:57.520 military planning

00:54:58.340 was put out

00:54:59.040 and say

00:54:59.740 hey we should

00:55:00.580 be doing this

00:55:01.020 in a skiff

00:55:01.520 there was no

00:55:05.220 classified material

00:55:06.180 that was shared

00:55:06.980 in that

00:55:07.540 so then

00:55:07.860 if there was no

00:55:08.420 classified material

00:55:09.480 share it with

00:55:10.700 the committee

00:55:11.220 you can't have it

00:55:13.960 both ways

00:55:14.560 these are important

00:55:15.600 jobs

00:55:16.000 this is our

00:55:16.520 national security

00:55:17.500 bobbing and

00:55:20.400 weaving and

00:55:21.000 trying to

00:55:21.680 you know

00:55:22.560 filibuster

00:55:23.960 your answer

00:55:24.520 so please

00:55:25.180 answer the

00:55:25.580 question

00:55:25.840 if this was

00:55:26.680 a right

00:55:27.020 Director Gabbard

00:55:27.680 if this was

00:55:29.120 a rank and file

00:55:30.000 intelligence officer

00:55:31.140 who did

00:55:34.080 this kind

00:55:34.560 of careless

00:55:34.920 behavior

00:55:35.400 what would

00:55:36.800 you do

00:55:37.020 with them

00:55:37.500 Senator

00:55:39.160 I'll reiterate

00:55:39.720 that there

00:55:40.180 was no

00:55:40.500 classified

00:55:40.920 material

00:55:41.480 that was

00:55:41.920 shared

00:55:42.260 in that

00:55:42.720 there's

00:55:43.240 no

00:55:43.380 classified

00:55:43.780 materials

00:55:44.620 share

00:55:45.400 and then

00:55:46.140 if there's

00:55:46.480 no

00:55:46.620 classified

00:55:47.020 materials

00:55:47.640 then answer

00:55:48.400 you can't

00:55:48.940 even answer

00:55:49.400 the question

00:55:50.060 whether you

00:55:51.400 are on the

00:55:51.680 chat

00:55:51.980 this is

00:55:52.580 strangely

00:55:53.020 familiar

00:55:53.460 and I

00:55:53.760 think my

00:55:54.320 colleagues

00:55:54.700 will remember

00:55:55.220 when you

00:55:56.080 couldn't answer

00:55:56.540 the question

00:55:57.000 is Edward Snowden

00:55:57.880 a traitor

00:55:58.300 ma'am

00:56:00.400 I have

00:56:00.640 serious

00:56:01.060 doubts

00:56:01.480 about your

00:56:03.600 anyway

00:56:04.860 Director

00:56:05.920 Gabbard

00:56:06.260 I'm going

00:56:07.520 to give

00:56:07.980 you this

00:56:08.240 tweeted

00:56:08.780 just 11

00:56:09.360 days ago

00:56:09.860 and I'm

00:56:10.080 quoting you

00:56:10.600 any

00:56:11.480 unauthorized

00:56:12.640 release of

00:56:13.220 classified

00:56:13.600 information

00:56:14.180 is a

00:56:14.540 violation

00:56:15.020 of the

00:56:15.360 law

00:56:15.600 and will

00:56:16.320 be treated

00:56:16.740 as such

00:56:17.280 so if

00:56:19.040 this

00:56:19.200 information

00:56:19.680 is classified

00:56:20.520 what are

00:56:21.820 you going

00:56:22.060 to do

00:56:22.460 Senator

00:56:24.080 two points

00:56:24.840 here

00:56:25.080 first of

00:56:25.600 all

00:56:25.860 there's

00:56:26.700 a

00:56:26.800 difference

00:56:27.180 between

00:56:27.680 inadvertent

00:56:28.400 release

00:56:28.940 versus

00:56:29.660 careless

00:56:30.940 and sloppy

00:56:31.520 malicious

00:56:32.120 leaks

00:56:32.680 of

00:56:32.900 classified

00:56:33.320 information

00:56:33.920 the second

00:56:34.380 point

00:56:34.680 is

00:56:35.000 there was

00:56:35.760 no

00:56:35.940 classified

00:56:36.420 information

00:56:37.180 that was

00:56:37.720 on the

00:56:38.380 information

00:56:39.800 my time's

00:56:42.300 about out

00:56:42.760 and I'm

00:56:43.100 going to

00:56:43.260 use my

00:56:43.640 12 seconds

00:56:44.240 of the

00:56:45.000 chairman

00:56:45.280 came

00:56:45.480 Director

00:56:45.920 Patel

00:56:46.300 has the

00:56:46.880 FBI

00:56:47.180 launched

00:56:47.540 any

00:56:47.720 investigation

00:56:48.280 of this

00:56:48.720 Senator

00:56:50.160 I was just

00:56:50.620 briefed about

00:56:51.080 it late

00:56:51.560 last night

00:56:51.980 this morning

00:56:52.440 I don't

00:56:52.740 have an

00:56:52.980 update

00:56:53.220 I would

00:56:53.580 like to

00:56:53.820 get an

00:56:54.000 answer

00:56:54.180 by the

00:56:54.460 end

00:56:54.540 of

00:56:54.620 the

00:56:54.680 day

00:56:54.880 at

00:56:57.200 this

00:56:57.400 point

00:56:57.720 in

00:56:58.020 the

00:56:58.180 ordinary

00:56:58.520 course

00:56:59.000 of

00:56:59.120 affairs

00:56:59.440 I

00:56:59.720 would

00:56:59.960 recognize

00:57:00.660 Senator

00:57:00.960 Collins

00:57:01.480 she asked

00:57:02.400 me to express

00:57:03.480 to you that she is under the weather this morning she regrets her absence but

00:57:06.920 anticipates submitting written questions to which I would request your prompt replies for the senator

00:57:12.700 Senator Cornyn

00:57:14.340 Senator Cornyn

00:57:14.860 Director

00:57:15.180 I applaud President Trump's efforts to try to bring a end to the war between Russia and Ukraine

00:57:25.300 I want to read a statement out of the annual threat assessment and just confirm that you agree with this it says Russia views its ongoing war with Ukraine as a proxy conflict with the west of course of course that's important but I want to bring Jack

00:57:42.300 back to the war into the war when I Barbara to be on their face to strike again we just saw some fireworks right there I do appreciate an audience Tulsi Gabbard initially took a hard line hey it's under review we'll get back to you to me that is exactly what the responses should be I don't you have to explain to me I don't understand Ratcliffe John Ratcliffe engaging in some conversation trying to show about signal being a potential I guess classified classified classified ability to put classified classified

00:58:00.360 don't understand Ratcliffe, John Ratcliffe, engaging in some conversation, trying to show

00:58:06.340 about Signal being a potential, I guess, classified ability to put classified information on,

00:58:13.820 or you could have a classified conversation. Jack, you know the tea leaves here. So walk us

00:58:19.840 through what just happened. Right. So there's a couple of things, right? So the idea is that you

00:58:27.260 can't share classified, look, classified information cannot be shared on any unclassified system,

00:58:33.520 period, full stop. These are entirely separate systems used to communicate whether it's an

00:58:38.500 unclassified server. So like you and I are speaking on an unclassified server right now over the open

00:58:44.840 internet. There are specifically dedicated systems called SuperNet and JWix, which are classified

00:58:50.840 systems. SuperNet for secret level information and JWix for top secret and various caveats

00:58:57.180 things. And there's different caveats, which can be shared through SuperNet as well, and various

00:59:01.340 other types of compartmented programs. But what you're talking about is using Signal,

00:59:08.220 what he's talking about is using Signal on an unclassified government controlled system. So it

00:59:13.520 would still be a closed system, but then could potentially using, I don't know, a web browser,

00:59:19.100 you know, brave browser, whatever you use to access the open internet to coordinate with other

00:59:26.060 members of the government. And certainly, they all have government-issued cell phones. Hillary Clinton,

00:59:31.460 of course, famously had her BlackBerry. There's typically iPhones, different Samsung devices that

00:59:36.100 government employees use now for coordination. And that's exactly what this looked like to me.

00:59:41.560 But the idea that, the idea that you want to get into that with Warner now is it's only going to fuel the fire

00:59:51.260 because they're going to try to say, and you can tell it sounded like what Radcliffe was saying was

00:59:55.740 that, well, this was a Biden policy, that this was put out there. And by the way, I'm sure that the

01:00:00.960 Biden administration was having these conversations. I'm sure. By the way, we know, going back to Ben

01:00:05.960 Rhodes, Ben Rhodes, when he was the deputy national security advisor for communications in the Obama

01:00:12.480 administration, would brag about he would have a briefing on the Iran plan, and then he would walk over to

01:00:18.180 the next room, he would be inside the skiff or wherever he was in the White House, and would

01:00:22.600 brag about how he was leaking at all his reporters to string them all along. So this has always been

01:00:28.100 a Democrat-run thing, but now they're using it against Republicans. Radcliffe, you're giving them

01:00:34.120 an opening. You're just giving them an opening to be able to come after you more with this.

01:00:39.280 Okay, hang on, Jack. We're going to take a short break here. The Democrats are going to come back

01:00:43.140 firing on all cylinders with more questions. Bottom line is, Tulsi Gabbard took a very hard

01:00:50.880 line there at the beginning. It's open for a question why John Radcliffe, head of the CIA,

01:00:55.180 didn't, you know, have her back, take the hard line. Figure out later. Cotton's already said

01:01:01.340 there's going to be a vote at noon. This hearing, the public part was going to end at noon. They're

01:01:05.860 going to go to closed door after the vote. So we're going to try to cover as much of this as

01:01:10.020 possible as they are on the attack on President Trump's intelligence team, Tulsi Gabbard, John

01:01:16.040 Radcliffe. And of course, we told you they're going to ask the first question they're going to ask

01:01:19.480 Cash. Has the FBI opened up an independent investigation? And now they got Cash on the

01:01:26.720 hook to come back by close of business with an answer. Very dramatic Senate Intelligence

01:01:32.620 Committee from the Hart building. Short commercial break on Real America Voice in the war room. Jack

01:01:37.200 Posobiec is with Stephen K. Bannon. We're going to return in 90 seconds.

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Episode 4362： Senate Intelligence Committee On World Wide Threats Not A Search For Truth

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