Bannon's War Room - May 09, 2025


Episode 4473： What The New Pope Means For The Next Decade


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On this episode of All Things Considered with Stephen Kamb, host Alex Blumberg and co-host Chris Conley discuss the recent appointment of Pope Francis as Pope John Paul III s successor. They discuss the implications for the future of the Catholic Church and the world as a whole.

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00:00:00.000 As to Chris's point, that's his boy.
00:00:04.400 Well, he is not their perfect fit.
00:00:07.560 But I think that when they looked at him, they said he's as good probably with this group of Cardinals that we're going to get.
00:00:14.900 So I don't think they were, you know, opposed to him.
00:00:19.180 I think that they thought Leo will be somebody that we can hopefully work with in their minds in the future going forward.
00:00:27.780 But the point Chris made is so important, which is if you think of where he came from, he came from the south side of Chicago, the working class part of Chicago.
00:00:39.880 He's part of the Augustinians, a group that looks out for those who are struggling, looks out for those who are challenged.
00:00:47.200 And so, so much of Francis' DNA is present in this pope as well.
00:00:52.820 And Francis loved Pope Leo.
00:00:55.960 They got along fabulously well.
00:00:59.320 And he always knew he could count on Pope Leo to do his job well.
00:01:04.160 And now on tax cuts, you have Steve Bannon and many of the MAGA base talking about taxing the rich.
00:01:13.320 Why? Because they're populists. 1.00
00:01:14.820 They're like billionaires don't need more tax cuts.
00:01:18.220 But that is exactly why billionaires wrote massive checks to Donald Trump.
00:01:24.000 And that has been the operating theory.
00:01:26.360 I just so I set all that up to say the Democrats playbook, certainly since I was in Congress, is those Republicans.
00:01:36.060 Americans, they want to cut Medicaid, they want to cut Medicare, they want to cut Social Security for their tax cuts for the rich.
00:01:44.340 That's always a punchline for good reason, because what they have done has been specifically to help the richest Americans.
00:01:52.460 And in this case, though, imagine what happens if Donald Trump does something that the Democratic Ways and Means chairman was afraid to do back when he had power to do it.
00:02:06.180 And that is close the carried interest loophole and raise taxes on millionaires and billionaires.
00:02:13.180 I mean, how does that reshuffle the deck?
00:02:16.260 Cognitive dissonance here.
00:02:18.100 I mean, it's crazy.
00:02:20.240 But you're right.
00:02:20.840 You've got in the coalition, you've got the plutocrats versus the populists.
00:02:26.780 And, you know, so Trump can try to try to try to make his way.
00:02:32.600 And if he zigs this way, that does raise questions about, I'm sure people will write and talk about, well, I didn't Democrats do this when they had control.
00:02:45.460 I'm sure Democrats will have an answer to that.
00:02:49.140 But it comes back to the arithmetic this time.
00:02:52.880 I think Ali is right.
00:02:53.860 They've got to find a way to try to make these numbers work out.
00:02:58.320 And however they try to go politically, it's still unclear that they've got enough people on board, one of these approaches, to actually get their basic duties done, which is to pass the budget and appropriate the funds for the government.
00:03:15.960 So this is a fascinating twist by Donald Trump.
00:03:20.140 But we'll see if he actually goes that way.
00:03:23.720 And we'll see if it makes any difference.
00:03:25.060 At a time when isolationism is rising around the world, you have a man who devoted his life to missionary work as running the Catholic Church.
00:03:37.460 What is your reaction?
00:03:40.220 It's almost surreal because I was at his investiture when he became a cardinal.
00:03:46.840 And then each cardinal gets their own church in Rome.
00:03:50.480 And so I was at that event in 23 as well.
00:03:53.860 And if you think about it, he's only been a cardinal for a couple of years.
00:03:58.840 And to see him, he was the perfect candidate, though.
00:04:02.900 He, other than being an American, he was the perfect candidate because he's so smart, so talented, an extraordinary administrator. 0.81
00:04:14.220 On doctrine, he doesn't offend either the liberals or the conservatives.
00:04:19.980 And so he was a terrific fit.
00:04:23.180 And then the comment I'd love to hear that I've laughed at today is they say, and one of his other qualities, one of his other pluses in the eyes of the cardinals is he's the least American of the Americans.
00:04:34.160 And they don't mean it in a mean way.
00:04:37.760 But it's like they just, they get a little concerned when they think that America has everything.
00:04:41.900 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:04:50.120 Pray for our enemies.
00:04:52.060 Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:04:55.340 You're just not going to get a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:04:59.600 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:05:01.500 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:05:02.940 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:05:05.620 It's going to happen.
00:05:06.680 And where do people like that go to share the big line?
00:05:10.220 Mega Media.
00:05:11.640 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:05:17.080 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:05:20.840 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:05:27.180 War Room.
00:05:28.060 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:05:30.440 All right.
00:05:36.560 Good morning, everyone.
00:05:37.460 Another huge news day.
00:05:39.220 Tons of great guests stacked.
00:05:41.080 Steve's out on assignment.
00:05:44.120 And we're going to go right to Rome, to our man in Rome, Ben Harnwell.
00:05:49.280 Ben, give us a review.
00:05:50.960 What's going on?
00:05:51.760 With those words last night, I was there right in the center of St. Peter's Piazza.
00:06:21.880 The Cardinal Proto-Deacon, Cardinal Mamberti, announced the name of the new Pope.
00:06:28.660 And all I want to do right now, and I'm going to hand back to Dave Bratt in studio in just one moment.
00:06:33.380 But all I want to do now is, because everybody is giving their opinion right now.
00:06:38.300 What I want the War Room Posse just to dwell on is the fact that this guy has been massively embraced by the liberals and by the progressives.
00:06:47.020 Those group in the church, which we're constantly fighting against, they've adopted him already as one of their own.
00:06:54.720 Why?
00:06:55.060 Because he is one of their own.
00:06:57.040 You heard it there on MSNBC.
00:06:59.280 He has Francis' DNA in him.
00:07:02.540 And that's absolutely true.
00:07:03.620 So, what I've been speculating about since before, basically, the corpse had even assumed room temperature,
00:07:11.100 is that at this point in the church's history, the conclave was most likely to pick somebody very similar in substance to Pope Bergoglio, Pope Francis,
00:07:25.960 but tone down, pare down a little bit of the excesses in the style.
00:07:31.120 And I think that's exactly what they've done.
00:07:32.880 And I'll draw this point.
00:07:34.400 By some accounts, the Vatican finances are running 1 billion euros in the red.
00:07:41.040 They can't afford to pay their pensions.
00:07:43.760 So, I think my take on this, what the cardinals have done, very wisely, perhaps, very prudently, from a purely secular point of view,
00:07:53.800 is that they've picked someone who is going to be able to pick up, once again, the huge donations that came in from the United States.
00:08:01.180 There's some very pious, sincere, successful Catholic businessmen and donors, benefactors,
00:08:10.260 who basically stopped their giving to the Vatican because it was absolutely clear that Bergoglio hated them.
00:08:16.500 He was always kicking them in the face, criticising American capitalism, saying that the economy kills, and the funds dried up.
00:08:25.080 So, I think what the cardinals have done is that they've looked at the financial situation.
00:08:28.580 They looked at the balance sheet in an almost unprecedentedly short period of time in the modern era.
00:08:35.460 It was only the fourth vote.
00:08:37.260 Basically, less than 48 hours of discussion.
00:08:39.520 They've picked an American who can talk to these American benefactors, sit down and talk to them.
00:08:45.320 He won't offend them.
00:08:47.200 He won't have his disgust of free market capitalism thrust in their faces.
00:08:53.960 And then they can probably do something a little bit about the financial situation.
00:08:57.860 Dave, I'm going to hand back to you now, and I'll be building on this throughout the rest of this morning's show.
00:09:03.040 Because it's very important, I'll close with this point, because Archbishop Marcinkus, back in the day,
00:09:07.780 the American director of the Vatican Bank, had a very famous expression, slightly scandalous.
00:09:13.720 He said that the Catholic Church didn't exist on Hail Marys because the guy was a money man.
00:09:19.880 And I think perhaps some of that philosophy was working its way through in the conclave's vote yesterday.
00:09:26.060 Dave, back to you in studio.
00:09:27.840 Yeah, Ben, good coverage.
00:09:29.760 A couple of questions for you that caught my ear and caught a few other people's ear.
00:09:34.740 We all want to believe the Holy Spirit's at work in the conclave, etc.
00:09:38.860 There's some talk about the process here, that the new pope was rushed in.
00:09:45.220 People didn't know much about him.
00:09:46.860 He didn't serve many years in the highest offices, and he was brought in precisely because he was an understudy of the pope and shared his views.
00:09:55.340 Is any of that accurate?
00:09:58.760 I think that the person who might more fully be called the understudy of Pope Francis would have been Cardinal Zuppi,
00:10:08.700 who was very much clearly the favoured candidate of Bergoglio.
00:10:13.740 He did everything he could without explicitly putting a neon sign on the guy saying, this is my guy.
00:10:19.220 I think with all due regards, oh, I didn't even translate that Latin expression with which I opened the show,
00:10:26.700 perhaps I'll do it in a moment, but he's picked the regnal name, Leo XIV.
00:10:32.420 There's some question because whenever a pope comes out onto the balcony and announces his name,
00:10:38.600 there's always going to be a conversation as to how programmatic that choice is in name.
00:10:45.640 I'm not expecting Francis 2.0, but for everything that concerns the war room,
00:10:53.520 this is someone that we need to be extremely concerned about.
00:10:56.200 And I'm hoping, you know, as we talk, I know that Bradley Thayer is lined up to come on the show in just a few moments' time.
00:11:03.420 One of the questions that we need to drill down on is what does this mean for the Vatican's secret China,
00:11:11.640 China, the CCP, Vatican deal, a text of which is so toxic it has never been revealed.
00:11:18.280 So to answer your question, Dave, yeah, I mean, Francis hasn't picked anybody who was in disagreement with his political agenda.
00:11:29.240 He was far more observant and engaged in the nominations processes, not only of bishops, but also of the cardinals himself,
00:11:39.240 far more engaged than his direct two predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict XVI were.
00:11:45.920 So he's obviously, and he's got his spy, he had his spies everywhere that were feeding comments in on potential recommendations, Dave.
00:11:53.600 This guy is definitely in the Francis mold.
00:11:56.720 I don't think he's an exact clone.
00:11:58.340 For one of the reasons is, even though he sort of spent most of his ecclesiastical career in Peru, in Latin America,
00:12:05.620 he's not imbued with the anti-Americanism that is so prevalent down there in South America,
00:12:12.460 as we witness day after day with Pope Francis.
00:12:15.660 That is, I think, probably going to be a major difference, certainly in style, with his predecessor.
00:12:21.260 But obviously we're going to be watching these things as they unfold.
00:12:23.700 Yeah, well, I thought your opening comments were spot on.
00:12:30.160 When you see the leftist morning propaganda jump on with total approval,
00:12:36.040 and yet you see these little catchy, you know, kind of attitudinal phrases,
00:12:41.640 he's the least American of the Americans.
00:12:44.020 I mean, it's the antithesis of America first.
00:12:47.540 And then I'm not familiar with that many missionaries,
00:12:50.140 and I went to seminary, you know, 35 years ago.
00:12:52.480 So that are involved in policy statements, and, you know, everything is Trump, right?
00:12:59.520 That is, the whole world is responding to Trump.
00:13:02.860 But that's precisely kind of why you want the religious institutions.
00:13:07.320 If you're going to be anti-Trump and anti-immigration, all this stuff,
00:13:11.380 can you please connect a few dots as to how you get there?
00:13:14.840 These are some of the brightest people in the world, and it just seems to be, you know, crassly political and, like, eighth grade.
00:13:23.640 There's not—the policy lines haven't been developed by the Vatican.
00:13:28.020 There's no policy positions.
00:13:29.740 And so about a minute to go, Ben, and then I'm going to go over to Bradley Thayer after the break.
00:13:33.500 Sure, Dave.
00:13:35.760 Yeah, well, look, this is the big question.
00:13:39.180 To what degree is the political—the present political paradigm that we see developing right across the world,
00:13:47.280 this sort of economic nationalist, populist nationalist movement against the elites,
00:13:52.020 to what degree can you overwrite that paradigm and use it to interpret what's going on in the church?
00:13:57.780 All I'll say is this, because I know we've got a break coming along now,
00:14:00.580 all I'll say is this, is that the cardinals, if they wanted to pick an American cardinal
00:14:06.100 who would really have been in President Trump's face,
00:14:10.000 they could have gone for someone like Cardinal Cupich, and they didn't.
00:14:14.740 So, you know, I think it's definitely going to be on the agenda that building relationships with the American administration,
00:14:22.520 with American Catholicism, certainly with the U.S. church,
00:14:27.200 and they could have gone for someone more militant.
00:14:31.360 They couldn't—they could have obviously gone for someone more conservative.
00:14:33.960 That they clearly didn't do.
00:14:35.700 So that, you know, you can look at both of these factors,
00:14:38.300 and we will be doing—watching to see how they play out.
00:14:42.380 Very good.
00:14:43.040 We have Ben Harnwell hanging on throughout the show from Rome.
00:14:46.380 Great job, Ben.
00:14:48.120 Back to you a little bit.
00:14:49.060 We're coming back with Brad Thayer.
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00:16:32.940 All right, back in the war room, the Judeo-Christian West, one of the dominant themes of the war room.
00:16:40.700 How does it all fit together?
00:16:42.320 How do we keep our traditions?
00:16:43.820 How do we keep the founding, the constitution, the rule of law?
00:16:48.720 A year ago, it seemed we were in dire straits.
00:16:51.840 Now it seems we got the wind at our back.
00:16:53.560 But we got to keep that wind blowing.
00:16:56.740 And so to assess where we stand with China, we brought on one of the world's best, Bradley Thayer, a favorite of the war room.
00:17:05.140 And he'll also give some assessment of links between China and the new pope in Rome.
00:17:11.680 And so glad to have you with us, Bradley.
00:17:13.940 Thank you.
00:17:14.520 The floor is yours.
00:17:15.900 Dave, my pleasure to join you this morning.
00:17:18.800 And thanks so much.
00:17:19.860 It's such an important issue because, first, the Catholic Church is a moral superpower, right?
00:17:26.660 I mean, it speaks to human rights around the world.
00:17:29.440 And that includes the People's Republic of China.
00:17:35.020 However, the fact of the matter is that, of course, China is a communist state.
00:17:40.660 Communists don't tolerate other actors operating in their societies, as we've learned.
00:17:46.400 And that includes the Catholic Church, unfortunately.
00:17:50.040 Pope Francis worked out an agreement in 2018 called the Provisional Agreement Between the Holy See and the People's Republic of China on the appointment of bishops.
00:18:02.620 While that agreement is secret still, enough information and evidence is leaked out about really what is in that agreement.
00:18:12.000 And what that agreement entails is that the Chinese Communist Party has a voice that is a controlling voice in the appointment of bishops in the Catholic Church.
00:18:25.220 In fact, in 2022 and again in 2023, the government-sanctioned Chinese Catholic Bishops Conference appointed bishops that were later approved by Francis.
00:18:38.860 So it's quite clear, Dave, who's in the driver's seat, and that's the Chinese Communist Party.
00:18:44.980 So you've got a communist state, the People's Republic of China, and then you have a leader, Xi Jinping, who is a communist and takes that ideology very seriously and will not tolerate other voices, other actors operating independently or not under the control of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:19:07.380 So Francis worked out really a Faustian bargain with the Chinese Communist Party, and it shows that the CCP's and the Chinese Communist Party's in the driver's seat. 0.50
00:19:20.340 Now, obviously, with the new pope, much remains to be seen in terms of what his approach will be.
00:19:27.500 But it's what's necessary, Dave, as you well know, remembering the Cold War.
00:19:33.700 The Catholic Church has operated successfully, very successfully, in communist countries before.
00:19:39.800 John Paul II, of course, is a hero for many reasons.
00:19:44.340 But one of the reasons was because he was a pillar of tremendous strength and insisted that the church would not, operating in communist countries, would not fall under their control.
00:19:58.680 So when he visited Poland, for example, as he did a couple of times in the Cold War, he was doing his utmost to show that the church will not live in a Faustian bargain.
00:20:11.400 The church will operate independently of communist control.
00:20:16.200 And it remains to be—Francis, obviously, was not John Paul II.
00:20:19.520 He didn't have John Paul II's strength, his political acumen or noose, and it remains to be seen, of course, about the new pope.
00:20:29.780 But I'm pessimistic about it, and I'm pessimistic that the basically approximately 12 million Chinese Catholics will have a pope who has their back
00:20:41.040 and will have a pope who, despite the tremendous costs, advance human rights in the People's Republic of China.
00:20:52.040 That includes the right to worship freely, of course, and other human rights, which the communists, of course, always suppress and won't tolerate.
00:21:01.120 So it's a battle of wills, and it remains to be seen, of course, about the new pope and his approach.
00:21:07.580 But we need a John Paul II.
00:21:09.140 Yep, yep, spot on.
00:21:12.380 And so a lot of folks in our audience who don't follow religion say, what's this got to do with me?
00:21:17.100 I thought this was America first.
00:21:18.740 Why are we poking our heads in all these other countries?
00:21:22.380 But at the same time, the Bannon geopolitical view, I think, would point out very clearly right now China is under immense pressure.
00:21:32.680 The trade deal is having a profound effect.
00:21:35.220 You can go out on YouTube and see the Chinese rebellions across all the provinces, not all, but many of the provinces, one by one by one.
00:21:43.280 They're not getting paid.
00:21:44.440 The wages are off.
00:21:46.000 They're not getting their retirement benefits.
00:21:47.860 People are out in the street.
00:21:49.000 And that is unheard of in China.
00:21:52.240 And this new generation with the social media will see if China can maintain this. 0.51
00:21:56.680 And so this, I think, is why the Catholic Church is so important.
00:22:00.300 They should not be making deals, covert deals.
00:22:03.460 And I don't know if money is involved or what's involved, but it's precisely at this moment that every voice has to push in against China so they become normal actors on the world stage, right, and follow human rights standards, treat their own people.
00:22:20.740 They have slave labor. 0.97
00:22:21.920 They got the Uyghurs you know about. 1.00
00:22:23.280 And so just frame a little bit, a few minutes, a couple minutes, Bradley, on the geopolitics of China right now and why it's so key that this pope is instrumental right at this moment in time.
00:22:35.540 And hopefully God works through him to get this right.
00:22:40.780 Absolutely, Dave.
00:22:42.300 The PRC is in a crisis, as you said.
00:22:45.460 It's in a crisis because they're communists, right?
00:22:47.960 Communism never works anywhere, and that includes in China.
00:22:51.500 And the fact that you've got this leader, Xi Jinping, who insists on really totalitarian control in China and the importance of the ideology of communism.
00:23:06.600 Now, we can contrast that with, again, the Catholic Church is legitimate because it's seen universally as a moral force.
00:23:14.620 It's a moral superpower.
00:23:16.020 If it gives up, essentially, its legitimacy by cooperating with Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party, that's a tremendous blow against it.
00:23:28.200 What it should do is not what Francis did, and that is to draw the distinction between the Catholic Church as a moral force operating against an illegitimate political authority, the Chinese Communist Party under Xi Jinping.
00:23:42.320 That is going to embolden the Chinese Catholics, but also Chinese people within China and in the diaspora, to say that here we have a moral force operating in China for the good of the Chinese people, for the souls of the Chinese people.
00:24:00.320 And it shows what we can do, again, to put pressure on the Chinese Communist Party through moral authority, right?
00:24:09.140 Part of the reason why the Soviet Union fell was that communism wasn't believed and it was seen to be an illegitimate force in Central and Eastern Europe and in the Soviet Union.
00:24:19.220 Well, that's true of the people's Republic of China today.
00:24:22.760 What pushed the Soviet Union over was John Paul II and Ronald Reagan and other actors working with the people, the people in Central and Eastern Europe who were fed up with communism, recognized it didn't work, and sought change.
00:24:40.320 So the church should be on the side of the people, the church should be on the side of right and morality, which is to oppose communism, not to cooperate with the devil in the guise of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:24:54.860 That's a recipe for failure, and it's a recipe for losing the legitimacy of the church in China. 0.69
00:25:02.840 Yes, good.
00:25:03.660 Hey, Ben, are you sitting right there?
00:25:05.140 You got any questions for Bradley?
00:25:06.740 Well, I was listening to what you were saying, Dr. Thea.
00:25:12.340 My question right now is whether you think—this is what I really want to get an idea of—whether you think the change in Pope, in the Catholic Church,
00:25:26.980 means that the U.S. Bishops' Conference might be steered or steerable to supporting the U.S. administration's position
00:25:35.160 with regards to the CCP more than under Leo XIV's predecessor?
00:25:43.640 I would hope so, Ben.
00:25:45.260 I don't know.
00:25:48.220 Again, so much is unknown.
00:25:50.240 As you said in your remarks, this individual is incohate, really.
00:25:53.940 We don't—it's very difficult to discern what his beliefs are, what his principles are, but I would hope that's the case.
00:26:05.480 Again, we need a John Paul II at this time.
00:26:08.720 This is a moment in history where, as Dave said, the Chinese Communist Party is under tremendous pressure internally,
00:26:16.680 again, because of their misrule and their abuse.
00:26:19.960 We need somebody who's going to be the equal of John Paul II in the Catholic Church.
00:26:25.780 And, Ben, you would know better than I whether the new pope is along those lines.
00:26:32.400 My fear would be that he's not.
00:26:34.900 Again, as you said, Ben, in your opening remarks, he's a bit closer to Francis than he is to John Paul II.
00:26:43.500 So if that's the case, then the Catholic Church is losing a historical moment to have the effect for good that it had in the 1970s and 1980s under John Paul II.
00:26:59.140 Ben, we've got a minute left.
00:27:00.640 Why don't you close us out of this segment, and I'll come back with the great tax debate.
00:27:04.820 Well, my point, based on what Dr. Thayer was just saying, and my wider consideration of this point with regards to the CCP and the Vatican,
00:27:18.540 is that, and this is something I was saying, like, over the last two weeks,
00:27:22.380 when a lot of people were questioning the degree to which the other Papa Abile candidate, Cardinal Pauline,
00:27:29.800 was the prime instigator of that treaty, I was saying that, you know,
00:27:33.660 I actually think a lot of that comes from Francis, and Parolin himself was just implementing it.
00:27:40.060 So it is possible, if that's the case, if it wasn't, if this Vatican-CCP treaty was being driven more by Bergoglio,
00:27:49.640 because he was desperate to be invited to China, rather than by Parolin and the internal Holy See diplomatic machinery,
00:27:57.940 then that does leave open the possibility for a change of position with regards to the Vatican,
00:28:05.640 the CCP, and, of course, the U.S. administration.
00:28:09.300 Yeah, hugely important issues.
00:28:11.380 1.4 billion people live in China, all created in the image of God. 0.99
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00:29:32.800 All right, back in the war room, Stephen K. Bannon and the team gave me a piece to cover today from The Hill.
00:29:48.480 Trump pushes Republicans to have rich pay more taxes.
00:29:52.700 Not sure if that's true.
00:29:55.100 I'm going to lead you through the article in just a few minutes,
00:29:58.480 and then we've got Terry Schilling coming on board to give us all things public policy as well.
00:30:03.500 But this is going to be a white-hot debate, right?
00:30:05.600 A lot of folks said this is over.
00:30:07.140 Republicans never raise taxes.
00:30:09.500 And that in itself is quite an overstatement.
00:30:12.220 As we get into the details of the piece,
00:30:15.140 the reporters did have to acknowledge some truth at the end of the article.
00:30:19.140 So they start off the proposal according to three sources in the White House,
00:30:23.480 but they don't name any of the sources.
00:30:25.360 And that makes it hard right off the bat.
00:30:27.780 The credibility here is, what is the White House actually saying?
00:30:32.000 I saw President Trump a few weeks back saying, dismissing this a little bit,
00:30:37.200 saying, no, we don't want the rich to leave.
00:30:39.720 At other times, he's been nuanced on it, so it's not clear.
00:30:43.460 One of the sources said the president had made the policy request as recently as Wednesday.
00:30:48.940 But again, no names are named.
00:30:51.400 And so, you know, come on, Hill.
00:30:53.160 You guys know what you're doing.
00:30:54.200 I Googled the two reporters, and they look nice, and I'm sure they're doing their best.
00:31:01.200 But the news is the news, you guys.
00:31:04.620 Just tell the truth.
00:31:05.420 Spit it out.
00:31:05.920 Be transparent.
00:31:06.720 Our side is transparent.
00:31:07.940 And the news media is not.
00:31:11.680 So then we get to the rates.
00:31:13.160 The White House is pitching a new higher rate, supposedly, if you believe this, that would
00:31:16.860 apply to those with incomes greater than $2.5 million.
00:31:21.120 Incomes of $2.5 million and $5 million for a family.
00:31:24.940 So that's, you know, that now we're down into the less than 0.1% of American people.
00:31:31.940 So those on the conservative side that go apoplectic, you know, maybe be less apoplectic,
00:31:38.500 less than 0.1% of folks here.
00:31:42.560 And as Besson has said, maybe it's time for Main Street to have a turn here.
00:31:47.560 And I don't like tax increases at all.
00:31:50.100 And I certainly don't want them on the rich and on the manufacturing piece.
00:31:53.820 We got another guest coming on, Brian Costello, who's got novel ideas on trading the rich who
00:31:58.020 just do trades all day.
00:32:00.080 Trade the transactions.
00:32:01.480 That's an interesting idea, right?
00:32:03.580 If you're not producing anything and you're just learning these novel ideas on how to make
00:32:07.140 0.0001% more out of someone's, out of the rich folks' market basket of stocks,
00:32:16.460 I don't like that as much.
00:32:19.500 I want to incentivize manufacturing and production and capital, which is what Trump is doing.
00:32:26.160 A little bit more, the president said, I certainly don't mind having a tax increase,
00:32:32.620 but he expressed some apprehension on the idea for political reasons, he said.
00:32:37.100 But I just want to get to some remarks from our guys.
00:32:39.740 And I think this is Steve Bannon's logic as well.
00:32:42.920 Grover Norquist comes in.
00:32:44.480 I'm friends with Grover, president of American Tax Reform, said on Wednesday, we oppose this.
00:32:50.660 This is not Republican policy.
00:32:52.640 David McIntosh, president of Club for Growth.
00:32:54.960 I know David McIntosh said in a statement, scaling back the size and scope of the $4 trillion
00:32:59.160 tax cut will help the Democrats raise taxes.
00:33:03.840 This is not a serious option and it's political suicide.
00:33:06.860 And so the problem that we have on the populist side is all these voices are out there talking
00:33:13.680 about tax cuts for the rich, but they're not talking about Congress overspending.
00:33:20.380 Notice all the lobbyists are there for the tax cuts for the rich.
00:33:25.140 We don't have any lobbyists for the American people who are paying the bill for all this,
00:33:29.300 right?
00:33:29.460 So no one's cutting the $7 trillion budget.
00:33:32.280 It's not going to go down much at all.
00:33:34.020 Steve's been covering it brilliantly for the last months.
00:33:37.060 It looks like spending might even go up.
00:33:39.000 There's some hope.
00:33:39.580 Well, we'll see if we get a 17% reduction in that non-defense discretionary.
00:33:44.920 That's promising, but that's a small piece.
00:33:48.260 And so I just kind of wanted to lay out some of the arguments.
00:33:51.320 Go look up the Hill article.
00:33:53.640 Refresh yourselves.
00:33:54.860 The American people can make this point.
00:33:57.200 But I think we ought to use that tax piece as leverage.
00:34:01.500 If the rich have lobbyists at work, why don't you put those lobbyists in charge of cutting 0.99
00:34:06.700 spending as well?
00:34:08.520 If we get the government to disappear, then business will flourish.
00:34:13.340 We all want that.
00:34:14.340 That's the outcome we want.
00:34:15.400 I want economic growth.
00:34:16.540 I've spent my whole life on economic growth.
00:34:19.240 And so this is the way to do it.
00:34:21.260 We need to team up and reduce government spending.
00:34:23.800 The tax guys say, well, if you tax the rich or whatever, you're just going to provide
00:34:29.500 more money for government.
00:34:30.660 Well, the Fed, the Federal Reserve, and every institution is doing that already.
00:34:34.780 The Milton Friedman logic has not worked.
00:34:37.640 And I'm a Milton Friedman fanatic.
00:34:39.800 Steve mocks me for being Milti Friedman Jr., right?
00:34:43.660 And so I just want to share a few thoughts.
00:34:45.840 This has to do with major league implications for politics in the Republican Party going forward.
00:34:50.920 And that's my thoughts on the issue.
00:34:53.700 And as always, all political views are my own.
00:34:56.400 You see, we've got the liberty on the sweatshirt and it's graduation.
00:35:00.220 I'm so proud of our kids over here.
00:35:01.420 We've got the best students in the world, the most ethical, thoughtful, spiritual students
00:35:07.520 who are going to go out in the world and do great things.
00:35:10.420 So my policy statements or those on the show do not reflect my university or other institutions
00:35:17.480 I work with.
00:35:18.440 On the policy front, we're lucky to have Terry Schilling with us.
00:35:21.260 He's an expert across the board.
00:35:22.720 He knows more than me on how D.C. works.
00:35:27.260 And so, Terry, give me a grade on the policy comments and then share us what you have to
00:35:33.440 share today, I think, in your space.
00:35:35.700 Thanks for being with us, Terry.
00:35:36.660 Well, thanks so much, Congressman, and it's great to – I always see you.
00:35:41.300 And then when it comes to economic policy, I typically just listen to Dave Brad and do
00:35:45.420 what he tells me.
00:35:47.000 So, listen, I want to come on because these guys in Congress are starting to squish out
00:35:52.100 in this big, beautiful bill in the House.
00:35:55.160 We have an opportunity.
00:35:56.320 You know, America's $37 trillion in debt, and we have an opportunity to defund one of the
00:36:02.180 most evil organizations in American history, Planned Parenthood.
00:36:05.620 They have $500 billion a year.
00:36:08.140 They perform half of America's abortions.
00:36:11.040 And there's no reason they should get a single dollar of tax dollar funding because they spend
00:36:16.920 $60 million a year in elections to unelect Republicans and attack them.
00:36:21.980 This is a partisan organization.
00:36:23.260 But here's where it gets really interesting, Dave, is Planned Parenthood just had an expose
00:36:28.000 they'd done on them by Lila Rose at Live Action, where it was uncovered that Planned Parenthood
00:36:33.900 is sending puberty blocker drugs, cross-sex hormones to minors without their parents' knowledge 0.74
00:36:41.420 or consent.
00:36:42.260 And they're doing it within the first appointment.
00:36:45.420 This is absolutely egregious.
00:36:47.280 These puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones that we're putting these kids on for this whole 0.81
00:36:51.080 transgender industry is killing these kids. 0.99
00:36:54.500 It's making their lives miserable.
00:36:55.920 It's taking away their ability to ever have a family.
00:36:57.980 So I wanted to come on because I know how strong the War Room Posse is and just urge all of you,
00:37:03.640 even if you have a good member of Congress, they need to hear from you, and they need to know
00:37:08.100 that you want them to defund Planned Parenthood because Planned Parenthood is giving our kids
00:37:14.960 sex change procedure drugs, and they're also performing half of America's abortions.
00:37:19.940 They fund campaigns and elections against Republicans.
00:37:22.500 Dave, you were in Congress.
00:37:24.520 You know how pathetic it is that these Republicans would want to give half a billion dollars to
00:37:29.440 this evil organization when they're spending tens of millions of dollars every election to 0.71
00:37:34.520 throw these guys out.
00:37:36.180 Punish the wicked.
00:37:37.300 We need to get these guys out.
00:37:39.160 They're killing our kids, they're killing our babies, and they're trying to get us out 0.98
00:37:43.420 of power.
00:37:44.220 They shouldn't get a single dollar of taxpayer funding, especially because we're $37 trillion
00:37:49.380 in debt.
00:37:50.600 And so I just want to come on, light these guys up, call Congress, look up your member of
00:37:54.640 Congress, every one of you.
00:37:55.940 Again, even if it's a good member of Congress, you need to make your voices heard because they
00:38:00.020 track these calls, they monitor them, and they vote accordingly, especially if you're
00:38:04.680 in Pennsylvania.
00:38:07.460 Brian Fitzpatrick is one of the guys that's rumored to be causing some problems here.
00:38:14.760 So light his phones up, light up all these guys.
00:38:17.360 We've got to make sure our voices are heard here.
00:38:19.100 Yeah, Terry, great analysis.
00:38:23.260 We're funding this, right?
00:38:24.380 This is the federal government intrusion in our lives, par excellence, on moral issues
00:38:29.700 that a century ago were just unquestioned.
00:38:32.980 And what's the polling on these issues?
00:38:36.700 Where do the American people side?
00:38:38.840 It seems that our squishes are having a hard time listening to the American people.
00:38:43.660 Well, Dave, I'm so glad you asked that because I came with the tea.
00:38:48.400 Look, on the transgender issue specifically, when it comes to taxpayer funding, this isn't
00:38:53.140 an 80-20 issue.
00:38:54.240 It's not a 60-40 issue.
00:38:55.860 This is a 90-10 issue.
00:38:57.840 Even Democrats don't want their tax dollars funding sex change procedures, not just for 0.97
00:39:04.040 minors, but for inmates, for anything.
00:39:06.240 They don't want tax dollars.
00:39:07.540 If you want to get a sex change, fine, but you've got to pay for it.
00:39:11.460 I'm not paying for it.
00:39:12.500 I've got seven kids.
00:39:13.920 I pay enough in taxes, right?
00:39:15.860 So the polling on this is very clear.
00:39:18.660 Defunding Planned Parenthood is extremely popular.
00:39:21.280 But also, the issue of funding abortions and sex change procedures, it's a 90-10 issue.
00:39:26.520 You are voting, you are siding with the Democrats on the wrong side of a 90-10 issue if you
00:39:32.720 are voting to fund abortions and sex change procedures through Planned Parenthood.
00:39:36.920 This is a winning issue, and it's actually something that President Trump used to get
00:39:41.300 elected.
00:39:41.820 Dave, you remember the they-them ad. 0.68
00:39:43.680 Kamala Harris is for they-them. 1.00
00:39:45.460 Donald Trump's for you.
00:39:46.740 The central message there was that Kamala Harris supported sex change procedures, funding 1.00
00:39:52.960 sex change procedures for federal inmates.
00:39:55.360 That was what got- that ad was seen more times by more people and was the most remembered
00:40:00.780 attack in the post-election focus groups.
00:40:03.560 It's a winning issue.
00:40:04.420 It's that clear.
00:40:05.500 Let me ask you this because, you know, we're losing House and Senate momentum here.
00:40:13.680 Trump has shown the way clearly.
00:40:16.340 You go in full steam with guts.
00:40:18.880 And you tell the American people, this is what I'm running on, and then you execute on what
00:40:23.480 you run on.
00:40:24.300 And he wins the election bigger than anyone thought possible because he came in with a
00:40:29.540 plan.
00:40:30.720 And so how do we shift the House if the House leadership would come in with the top 10,
00:40:37.020 right?
00:40:37.160 A contract with America in the Senate, which they have not done, right?
00:40:41.120 And then they're scared of losing the midterm.
00:40:43.360 It's all about fear.
00:40:45.000 And that's no way to lead, right?
00:40:47.700 You can't lead out of fear.
00:40:49.420 We need to lead with boldness and confidence.
00:40:51.800 And if the American people don't want what we want, then that's okay.
00:40:56.880 But the American people do what we have on offer.
00:40:59.460 So what's your challenge to leadership to set up a contract and to make some promises
00:41:05.100 ahead of this?
00:41:05.920 Then I think we win.
00:41:07.060 Trump showed us we have the people to win.
00:41:09.400 So what's the hangup?
00:41:11.680 Well, I'll tell you, Speaker Mike Johnson is actually a huge advocate.
00:41:15.700 And he's been asking for some additional pressure on these.
00:41:19.460 Well, I'm sorry.
00:41:20.580 I shouldn't say that he has.
00:41:22.040 But we have friends in leadership that have been saying he's with us on this, but he needs
00:41:27.240 to get these guys more pressure to get them on board.
00:41:30.780 Look, we have a four-seat majority in the House, right?
00:41:33.580 And these guys need to feel the heat.
00:41:35.680 So again, I apologize for I spoke out of turn about Speaker Johnson.
00:41:39.100 He has not spoken to me directly about this, but we know that he supports defunding Planned
00:41:43.600 Parenthood.
00:41:44.320 We know that he's behind us, but he's got a four-vote majority.
00:41:47.740 And we've got to get these guys in line because if we lose those four votes for this bill,
00:41:51.980 it won't pass.
00:41:52.780 And then we're back at the drawing board.
00:41:54.300 It's a good bill so far, but we've got to make sure that defunding Planned Parenthood
00:41:57.640 and defunding these trans surgeries is included in there.
00:42:00.960 Yep.
00:42:01.460 Terry, thanks for being with us.
00:42:02.900 Ben Harnwell, you want any commentary on Terry's proposals?
00:42:06.220 Well, Michael, I know we've only got like a minute left, but I would have said—I would
00:42:12.160 have asked Terry, who's principally involved with the American Principles Project, to using
00:42:17.060 sort of conservative issues as the means to getting conservative voters to come out and
00:42:23.660 support their candidates.
00:42:24.980 I wanted to ask him whether he saw the rise of the woke phenomenon over the last 10 years
00:42:30.940 specifically attributable to the presence of Bergoglio on the papal throne, and whether
00:42:37.200 that is a factor in his strategy in fighting his neck of the culture wars.
00:42:45.720 Oh, and Ben, that's exactly right.
00:42:47.280 I think Bergoglio, as Pope, really hurt our ability to rein in and push back against the
00:42:55.740 woke movement, because so many of the things he was saying and buttressing and the people
00:43:00.240 he was attacking, specifically President Trump, right?
00:43:03.720 Bergoglio would attack President Trump for building a border wall, for securing our border,
00:43:08.600 but he would say nothing against Joe Biden, who supported giving kids sex change procedures,
00:43:12.700 who wanted to advance abortion rights.
00:43:14.960 Joe Biden's policy was that America didn't have enough abortions in it, and Bergoglio didn't 0.99
00:43:20.500 say a word against that.
00:43:21.900 It was egregious, right?
00:43:23.680 And so it's so good.
00:43:24.860 All right, gentlemen, closing out five seconds.
00:43:26.440 Stay with us, Ben.
00:43:27.820 Terry, stay with us after the break.
00:43:29.820 Ben, we'll be back with you.
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00:44:59.980 All right, back in the war room with Terry Schilling, who's a very recognized face up on Capitol
00:45:14.840 Hill.
00:45:15.280 He covers his own host of issues, covering the least amongst us, the unborn, those who are 1.00
00:45:24.620 experiencing injustice, but he also understands the process on Capitol Hill very well and is
00:45:31.200 friends with all the conservative groups.
00:45:33.620 And we do have a great combination, great team that cover all the assorted issues up on the
00:45:40.800 Hill.
00:45:41.140 But we just don't have the juice that the left does because of Act Blue and the coordination
00:45:47.380 of globalist money, et cetera.
00:45:49.740 But I'm curious, Terry, do you feel the wind blowing at our back?
00:45:53.540 The USAID scandal kind of shone the light on a lot of news organizations, the FBI, the
00:46:01.520 CIA, the CIA cutouts, the Atlantis' groups.
00:46:05.900 Can you see any impact already?
00:46:08.720 It's only been a month or two.
00:46:10.600 But just curious as to how you view what's going on the Hill now.
00:46:15.200 Well, look, Dave, I think that what President Trump has done by cutting back on USAID and all
00:46:21.140 the exposés that have been done on them has actually had a great impact against them,
00:46:25.800 right?
00:46:26.000 If you look at the Democrats' approval rating, you know, President Trump is in the mid to
00:46:29.680 high 40s for his approval rating, and Democrats are in the 20s, the low 20s, right?
00:46:34.520 They have a 23, 25 percent approval rating across the country.
00:46:38.280 And they get worse as the younger generations start telling their opinions.
00:46:43.040 So, look, I think that there's a tide turning.
00:46:45.040 There's the two most recent elections where the incumbent president retained control of
00:46:50.520 both chambers of Congress was 2002 and 1998.
00:46:54.240 1998, Bill Clinton kept control because Americans viewed Republicans as overreaching and overstepping
00:47:00.540 on the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
00:47:02.020 And in 2002, President Bush maintained control of Congress after he branded Democrats as obstructionists.
00:47:09.180 You go fast forward to today, and in 2026, I think we're going to do the same thing.
00:47:13.260 I think we're going to retain control of both chambers because the Democrats aren't just
00:47:17.480 obstructing, they're destroying, and they're destroying our children.
00:47:21.560 They won't drop this trans issue, right? 1.00
00:47:24.760 If you look at what—and by the way, they're also against tariffs now.
00:47:29.080 And I know, look, there's a conservative debate right now, but the Democratic base, their
00:47:33.680 party, it has been supporting tariffs.
00:47:36.220 When my dad was a member of Congress, the biggest attack against him was that he wouldn't
00:47:40.440 raise taxes on companies that ship jobs overseas.
00:47:43.540 You fast forward to today, and those Democrats are now all supporting these mega corporations
00:47:49.200 that are building their companies off of slave labor in China.
00:47:52.700 It's absolutely insane.
00:47:54.040 So I'm very optimistic in the midterms.
00:47:56.560 I actually think we could possibly gain some seats in the House and expand our majority.
00:48:00.640 But Dave, you know as well as I do that that's not going to happen if these Republicans keep
00:48:06.320 squishing out.
00:48:07.280 Look, if you don't have the cojones to defund Planned Parenthood, which gets half a billion
00:48:12.800 dollars a year to kill our babies, prevent more births, and sterilize our children, Dave, 0.84
00:48:18.580 we have $37 trillion in debt, and our birth rates are below replacement levels.
00:48:23.760 It is not in the interest of the United States of America for less babies to be born and more 1.00
00:48:30.720 babies to be killed and more children to be sterilized and prevented from having their
00:48:35.140 own children someday.
00:48:36.660 This is insane.
00:48:38.480 Planned Parenthood needs to go the same way as the Ku Klux Klan. 0.85
00:48:41.980 They are an evil organization.
00:48:43.540 They were meant, they were originally founded to keep the Black population under. 1.00
00:48:48.540 They start all these Planned Parenthoods.
00:48:50.480 Where?
00:48:51.120 In Black communities.
00:48:52.480 And where we've gotten so far is so Orwellian because the Democrats say that, yeah, of course
00:48:58.680 we're opening Planned Parenthoods to keep killing Black babies and keep Black people from having 1.00
00:49:02.720 their own families.
00:49:03.880 That's what we do.
00:49:04.860 This is how we serve people.
00:49:06.480 They think that sterilizing young people and killing babies and preventing people from having
00:49:11.140 families is good.
00:49:13.380 I disagree.
00:49:14.500 President Trump disagrees.
00:49:15.960 Republicans need to disagree.
00:49:17.300 And we need to defund this evil organization that has been a peculiar institution in America.
00:49:23.720 It's far past time.
00:49:25.480 You guys need to light up these members of Congress.
00:49:27.680 Again, I can't tell you enough.
00:49:29.280 Look up your member of Congress, even if they're good.
00:49:31.900 Call them today.
00:49:33.720 Call them until this bill's passed.
00:49:35.160 Make sure that Planned Parenthood is defunded.
00:49:37.760 Yeah.
00:49:38.060 They can't be doing this.
00:49:40.180 And the way you put it right there, which is very interesting, right?
00:49:42.960 We're killing our own kids.
00:49:44.900 The Fortune 500, the globalist leaders say we have a worker shortage in this country.
00:49:50.700 We have a crisis.
00:49:52.260 They don't invest in saving lives.
00:49:56.080 They all vote the other side.
00:49:58.580 And then we don't take care of the kids. 0.99
00:50:00.260 We're paying $20,000 per kid for K-12 education, and the kids can't read.
00:50:05.340 And then they go on to our higher eds, and they get indoctrinated instead of learning any reading, writing, and arithmetic, and it's a disaster.
00:50:14.380 And then also when you talked about President Trump on the political side, all political views are my own.
00:50:20.500 But it is stunning.
00:50:21.860 AOC now is running on this child trafficker gang member arrested wife abuser. 0.85
00:50:32.060 And she's hanging her hat on that issue.
00:50:35.660 And Trump came out and said, you know, I mean, he's always funny.
00:50:39.060 The guy is always funny.
00:50:40.360 He's like, you know, I think this issue for AOC, I don't think it's going to be like the boys in the girls' locker rooms. 0.98
00:50:46.000 This ain't good.
00:50:47.040 He's just, the way he puts it, it's just so common sense.
00:50:50.640 But they're seriously running on the most absurd issues only because our side allows them.
00:50:55.620 If all of our members would just go on TV today and say what you just said, this is absurd, it's evil, this is morally atrocious, right?
00:51:04.900 We cannot do this.
00:51:06.500 And you laid out the history of these groups.
00:51:08.660 It's all there for everyone to read.
00:51:10.360 But we don't own the megaphone, right?
00:51:12.320 We don't own the mainstream media.
00:51:13.740 It's still very powerful, right?
00:51:15.600 The folks they hit.
00:51:17.220 Yes, it is.
00:51:17.900 It's very powerful.
00:51:18.920 And I'll let you close in with a final minute.
00:51:22.540 But I also just wanted to bring more good news.
00:51:26.240 The trade deal with the UK, England, was great.
00:51:33.140 Every other country in the world is lined up.
00:51:36.040 The world is coming our way also, right?
00:51:39.160 The Dems are horrified.
00:51:41.600 And so are some of our business folks that the Trump agenda is actually going to work, right?
00:51:46.000 If he pulls off this tariff piece and gets tax cuts to speed up the economy and gets a booming energy sector to speed up and lower costs on everything, I think we're standing tall.
00:51:58.960 And so I'll let you close.
00:52:00.060 Final minute.
00:52:00.780 Terry, it's yours.
00:52:01.420 Go ahead.
00:52:02.580 Look, we've just got to gird our loins.
00:52:04.900 We've got to buckle up.
00:52:05.960 We've got to put pressure on these squishes. 1.00
00:52:08.240 This is our job, guys.
00:52:09.540 The Founding Fathers left it to us to put pressure on these members of Congress.
00:52:14.340 Make your voice heard.
00:52:15.280 Call your member of Congress today.
00:52:17.480 Don't wait.
00:52:18.300 Do it right now.
00:52:19.100 Do it in the middle of the show.
00:52:20.320 Google your member of Congress.
00:52:21.760 Find their phone number.
00:52:22.700 It's on their official website.
00:52:24.360 Call them and tell them.
00:52:25.600 Don't just tell them.
00:52:26.820 Demand that they defund Planned Parenthood.
00:52:29.200 We've got too much debt, $37 trillion, and we have way too many abortions in this country and not enough babies being born.
00:52:36.620 We've got to save this country.
00:52:38.380 How do they get you, Terry?
00:52:39.680 Go.
00:52:39.980 Ten seconds.
00:52:41.000 Shilling 1776 on all the major platforms.
00:52:44.020 Shilling 1776.
00:52:45.280 All right, Terry.
00:52:48.260 You're a prophet.
00:52:49.280 You're out there shouting the tough stuff that needs to be heard for the sake of our babies and our kids in this country.
00:52:55.580 Thanks for doing what you do.
00:52:56.800 God bless you, brother.
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