Episode 4495： The Biden⧸Hur Cancer Cover Up; Shake UP Over Budget Bill
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Former Vice President Joe Biden has been diagnosed with an aggressive form of prostate cancer. His office says it appears to be hormone sensitive, which allows for effective management, and Biden and his family are reviewing their treatment options with multiple doctors.
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that were given or not given. We know that he struggled with memory lapses during this
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conversation, but obviously hearing the tape is a different thing. It does emphasize and underscore
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just how much trouble he had in that interview and why Robert Herr, the special counsel,
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decided not to bring charges. Remember, Robert Herr said that he decided not to bring charges
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in part because the president seemed like a forgetful old man and that that would be hard
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to convince a jury that he knowingly violated the law. Well, how did he make that determination?
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He made it in part through this interview that we're now hearing through this audio tape. And
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therefore, hearing the audio tape does have a value in that sense to help us understand
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what Herr was evaluating. Welcome back to the Weekend Prime Time. We are starting this hour
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with our breaking news. Former President Joe Biden has been diagnosed with an aggressive form of
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prostate cancer. His personal office is saying in a statement that it appears to be hormone sensitive,
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which allows for effective management. And Biden and his family are reviewing their treatment options
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with multiple physicians. This cancer was diagnosed by urinary symptoms rather than the way we find it
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most of the time, which is what Joe Concha was asking in the last hour. Usually we find it with no
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symptoms. He's already got symptoms, which means it's pretty advanced. He's having urinary symptoms
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heading towards urinary retention. He's got spread of this prostate cancer to the bone
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in one spot, which is going to cause him pain. And the biggest news we're hearing is that
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this particular cancer, which is quite aggressive, is testosterone dependent, meaning that the hormone
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testosterone is very involved with how aggressive it is, which means it should respond to anti-testosterone
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therapy, which is the mainstay of metastatic cancer to the point of people who are just tuning in.
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He has the most aggressive prostate cancer we ever find. And they got it after it has already spread
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behind beyond the prostate, which is very, very concerning. Five year survival rate under 40 percent.
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President Trump has weighed in saying that he and First Lady Melania Trump are hoping
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that former President Biden makes a full and speedy recovery. We've also now hearing from former
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First Lady Hillary Clinton, she's saying, I'm thinking of the Bidens as they take on cancer,
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a disease they've done so much to try to spare other families from, wishing you a speedy and
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full recovery. We've also heard from Pete Buttigieg, who was during the Trump, during the Biden
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administration, rather, the transportation secretary. He says, President Biden is a man of
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deep faith and extraordinary resilience. Chastain and I, speaking of his husband, are keeping him
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and the entire Biden family in our prayers for strength and healing. And it's interesting, of course,
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that there's talk of his deep faith and resilience. We know, of course, that President Biden has been
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through a number of tragedies, including losing his first wife and daughter in a car accident. And then
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later, his oldest son, Beau Biden, died of brain cancer. So now folks close to President Biden and people
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who are familiar with his family's thinking about this are telling me that he is getting ready to look at all
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the kinds of treatments he can get, thinking that hormone therapy might be the best treatment for
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this aggressive form of cancer. But they're keeping their options open as well as where he will be
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treated. So we'll, of course, continue to bring you reactions as more people weigh in here.
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Unlikely that someone could get annual checkups and not notice a PSA elevation over the past,
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you know, this is what I typically would see in a VA hospital where a patient hasn't had medical
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attention in 10 years presents to an emergency room with bone pain. And then they find that it's
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metastatic prostate cancer. But in the modern age of medicine, especially the fact that he was a former
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president, he had intensive state of the art, you know, care where we can see prostate cancer,
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you know, 10 years in the past. So this is, I mean, it's, it's very unusual to hear that someone has
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prostate cancer where they're annually being followed up. His medical condition now, his announced medical
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condition now, do you believe that silences or delays a lot of conversations about his, you know,
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last year and a half of his presidency for now? Yeah, well, I mean, I think those conversations are
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going to happen, but they should be more muted and set aside for now as he's struggling through this.
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You were talking about the scrutiny and two things. First, start by saying that we wish President Biden
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the best for this fight as you and Mika know so well, he's fought through so much. Your viewers will
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appreciate that in my newsletter this morning, Axios AM, we have a great photo of President Biden in his
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prime. And when he was vice president, it's a photo that author Mike Grunwald took of 2016 of
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Vice President Biden with a bus conductor in St. Paul and Mike noting how the effort that the vice
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president, then president made to connect with everyone. He saw Mike said, I hope he gets well
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soon. He's been through a lot. I think we all can say that. Two things. If you look at the signs beyond
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whether or not this test was done, whether or not something was missed, if you look at the signs
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that were out there and as frontline journalists, we always look at this clinically. It's never
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personal. We study power. We study institutions. Two things. One, if you look at the audio tapes that
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Axios posted over the weekend, five hours of tapes of President Biden being interviewed
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by the special counsel, Robert Herr. Painful to listen to. And I talked to a lot of people who've
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worked with President Biden, people who love President Biden, all the more painful for them.
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This was obtained by Axios Alex Thompson, who's out with his book with Jake Tapper,
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Original Sin and Mark Caputo. And in these five hours of tapes, we hear and the transcript was out.
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So the facts are not new. But listening to this five hours of audio, which is up on
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axios.com, you hear the then president grasping for dates, grasping for details, lawyers jumping in
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to try to help him answer the question. The painful pauses. This interview was done over two days,
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five total hours in the map room of the White House. You hear the ticking of a grandfather clock
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in the map room in these painful silences. Hearing this beyond the words that we've heard and the
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records that we've seen really brings into focus this question that so many Democrats are asking now
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is how did we go down this road? And Original Sin out tomorrow. On the record, you have top Democratic
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officials saying that that decision to run again made things so much harder for them, for the party.
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It's moving pretty fast. But I and I can't tell you for sure. But he didn't just get this overnight.
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He's had this for months and months, even if it is aggressive. It's a Gleason nine, which means
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under the microscope, group five under the microscope, it's quite aggressive. They find that it's responsive to
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anti-testosterone type therapy. We have that. We have it in oral form now. We have it in an injectable
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form. So he will probably get that treatment. He should get personalized treatment, too. There's a lot
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of debate about whether you should do surgery, whether you should do radiation, what you should
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do to that bone metastasy. The fact that there's only one is better than if there was more than that.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on
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these people. You're just not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The
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people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do
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everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any
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of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer
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is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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It's Monday, 19 May, Year of Our Lord, 2025. I thought we were going to be dealing with the
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budget, what happened last night at 10 o'clock. Andy Harris from the head of the Freedom Caucus is
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going to join us here in a few months in the next block. Laura Loomer is going to also join us on this
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Joe Biden situation. And Congressman Burleson has done a great job of a video up, talk about this
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situation with Medicaid. We're trying to get Burleson for the 11 o'clock hour.
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But we have to start with this. I thought this was the, as you know from my rants on Saturday when
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Mark Caputo was on, I thought that the her situation and how that had been handled and to put it bluntly,
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covered up, was something that had to go to the top of the DOJ, top of the house, for a formal
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investigation to adjudicate this, then a bombshell yesterday. And I want to go back and get, I want
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to pull Schusterman and his buried lead. This was like somebody also tells you about the treatment
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of our veterans of VA hospitals. He said, it's something like you see at a VA hospital where
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somebody walks in and what they're talking about is one of these veterans, probably a homeless vet
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that hasn't had any medical diagnosis for 10 years, 10 years.
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This guy and, and look, the family situation is personal situation, you know, best of luck.
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I'm sure sometimes, somehow you'll try to figure something out. That's not what this is about.
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This is about this Republic and this is about a Praetorian guard and this is not, it's deeper
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than the media. I said this the other day, it's deeper than the media. It's deeper than
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the Grundunes, his political operatives in the White House. This is, they knew he's not mentally
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fit even when they put him in in 2020 and got rid of, got rid of Bernie Sanders and got rid
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of Elizabeth Warren, the two front runners, right? To put him in because they realized he was
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controllable and, you know, a pleasant enough cipher that they could then, you know, generate,
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I don't know, six, seven, eight million phony ballots and defeat Trump in 2020. Yes, the 2020
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stolen election. We're going there on a Monday morning in May of 25 because until we get to
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the bottom of this publicly and get it all out, you're not going to have a constitutional
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Republic. You can hum a few bars, but you're not going to have one. Then everything to do
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to protect this guy as commander in chief when he wasn't up to the job as commander in
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chief. And now to know that he's had, I can't, this just didn't appear, what is it, a Gleason
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nine? This just didn't appear overnight. They take us for fools and no Axelrod. There's not
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going to be a pause. It's not going to be muted. It's not going to happen. Let me play,
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play Schusterman again. Listen to the doc. Unlikely that someone could get annual checkups
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and not notice a PSA elevation over the past, you know, but this is what I typically would
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see in a VA hospital where a patient hasn't had medical attention in 10 years, presents to an
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emergency room with bone pain, and then they find that it's metastatic prostate cancer. But in the
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modern age of medicine, especially the fact that he was a former president, he had intensive
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state-of-the-art, you know, care where we can see prostate cancer, you know, 10 years in the past.
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So this is, I mean, it's, it's very unusual to hear that someone has prostate cancer where they're
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They ought to seize every record of Walter Reed regarding Biden. They ought to seize every record
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of the, of the, the, I assume the Navy doctors that took care of him at the White House. They ought to seize
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every record right now. This has to be a formal inquiry, a formal inquiry about exactly what in the
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hell went on in this White House. I told, we would bang it every day. Remember I told you it was an
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illegitimate regime. You heard that every now and again, you heard that elections have consequences
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and stolen elections have catastrophic consequences. Remember that? Look at the catastrophic consequences
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we're dealing with. Andy Harris is going to be here in a moment. We've got a structural, massive problem
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right now that President Trump and his team are trying to dig us out of with the help of folks over in
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the House. Look at the world searching. President Trump's on the phone with Putin, even as we speak,
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I think, to try to sort this mess out in Ukraine. These are not random. It's all inextricably linked
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and it's all inextricably linked back to a stolen election with a total fraud. And the Praetorian Guard
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protected it the entire way. His incompetence, his dementia, his beginning Alzheimer's, his cancer,
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and they had to gall to try to, you know, gall to try to run him again. And guess what they're going
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to do this month? Oh, they got cancer. Kamala Harris is your president for the next four years. She
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couldn't win on her own. No, David Oxfair, we're not going to mute this. We're not going to step down.
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We're going to ratchet it up. We need and demand a formal investigation. Go to Walter Reed and seize
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the records right now. Go to the White House physician's office down there on the first floor.
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Seize the records so they can't, you know, lose them. Like they somehow find out they lose everything.
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We need to get it out of the budget committee, into the rules committee. There's really one more
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step after that to get it to the floor and to get the big, beautiful bill to the Senate. I think we're
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highly, highly optimistic as in 100 percent we're going to get that bill to the Senate 100 percent.
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We're going to pass this bill by the middle of the summer. And the reason is that the bill is so
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well crafted. First, it's got the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which is stuff that we passed in 2017. And it
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all works exactly the way we said. We got the three percent growth. We got the $6,500 in wage growth
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and so on. And now we're adding new things like the no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security.
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They're going to make it even better, even faster growing and so on. And so the new CEA study shows
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that this is a home run of a bill for the American people. And that's really what I think the big news
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of the weekend is that we've got that through what I think is probably the final tough hurdle
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of the House, which is the House Budget Committee, which is the toughest place to get it to get it
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through. Okay. By the way, Wall Street Journal has a piece out this morning. Cain, Citizen Cain
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over Citizens Free Press has it as his lead. He's talking about the deficit increasing by $3 trillion
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on this bill. So we're going to get it all sorted. We've got Congressman Andy Harris from Maryland
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1, but he's head of the Freedom Caucus. So Congressman, people are looking at the Freedom
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Caucus as the deficit hawks here. We noticed people didn't vote yes last night or no last
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night. They kind of voted, you know, present. What's the status? Is this thing going to get
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through? And more importantly, are we going to get some more significant cuts out of this
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so that the deficit doesn't increase, particularly in the short term, sir?
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Well, look, you know, I'm going to disagree with the economic advisor you just had on. This is not
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100 percent guaranteed. It's far from it. The bottom line is if we don't get significant spending
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reduction in line to offset, you know, Moody's downgrade last week, this bill is not going
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anywhere this week. The bottom line is that the ground has changed last week. That Moody's
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downgrade, we were warning about it in the Freedom Caucus for really years that we have to get our
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debt and deficit in order. You know, they're whistling past the graveyard. It's like that never
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happened. But it did happen. And we have to get back to pre-COVID spending levels wherever we can.
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We certainly can with Medicaid because the fraud, waste and abuse, the gaming of the system,
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the giving benefits to, you know, two and a half million illegal immigrants. I mean,
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this is ridiculous. It has to stop. We have a long way to go. We don't get there by Wednesday.
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And the word is they want to have this vote Wednesday. There's just no way it's passing on Wednesday.
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One of the issues I keep hearing about is that some of the hardliners in the Freedom Caucus that
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want to address Medicaid. And remember, I think 25 percent of MAGA is on Medicaid. So people got to
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be very careful here. But the work requirements can't start in 2019. You got to bring those forward
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till today. The illegal aliens have got to go all these base requirements. But there's some discussion
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about or confusion, I think, from other people about Obamacare expansion and actually going after
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that. Can you is that an issue? I think it's FMAP. Is that an issue? And can you explain to people
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in kind of, you know, basic English what exactly this fight is over Medicaid spending?
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Sure. It's a huge issue. Steve, Obamacare attempted to to get everybody on Medicaid for all. So what it
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does, it is said, you know, traditional Medicaid, it's for the for the for the disabled, for pregnant,
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for children. You know, it's for the poor. I mean, it's for the people who really needed
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health care and had no other access to health insurance, really. But what Obamacare did is it
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said, we're going to provide you we're going to allow you to get into Medicaid. You're a, you know,
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25 year old, healthy young male. You feel like you don't want to work and want to live in your
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parents' basement. Yeah, we'll pay for your Medicaid, too. And not only we'll pay for it, we'll pay
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seven times more the federal contribution per vis-a-vis the state's contribution for this
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healthy expansion population. And look, that was the carrot to get these states to expand Medicaid.
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The result was a 40 percent increase in Medicaid expenditures over the past five years from
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pre-COVID levels, 40 percent. The Biden administration went further. They said, oh, by the way,
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you don't need to check on qualifications that often. You know, you know, if you know, it was all
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after COVID, you don't need to do that. The bottom line is this is the most rapidly growing part of
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the budget. It's growing more rapidly than Medicare, more rapidly than Social Security.
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And it's all because of the Obamacare expansion. So what we have to do is we have to say, no, no,
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if you want to expand, that's fine. But you're not getting paid seven times as much by the federal
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government as what you're getting paid for your high risk population, for your needy population.
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We'll just pay you at the same rate. If we did that, all those states would stop expanding
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Medicaid. And and again, a lot of those people qualify for Obamacare. They can get they go on
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the subject, but they got to pay a premium. They got to they got to pay some. And of course,
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if they're able to work, they they should work. We have to get that because if we don't,
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the remaining dozen or so states that have not expanded into that population will expand.
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And that that will cost about a half a trillion dollars over the next 10 years. It'll wipe out
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all the projected savings from from things like work requirements and throwing illegals off.
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It'll wipe out all that and it'll increase our budget deficit. We can't do that anymore.
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The bottom line is times have changed since last week. We can't do it. And they're pretending. I mean,
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look, that that economic advice pretending like Moody's didn't downgrade us last week.
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They did. Interest rates will go up. We don't even know, Steve, what the cost of that interest rate
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increase is going to be on our deficit for the next 10 years. But it will be significant because
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the markets already responded this morning with bond rates going up. Yeah, I think the 30s over
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five and the 10s over four point five. So what's the pushback? What you just laid out sounds perfectly
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logical. It takes care of MAGA. You've got to work. It's only 80 hours as a minimum. You can't have
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this kind of essentially money laundering the seven times more. I don't understand then what's the pushback
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from your other Housemen, from the Speaker and other House members. Forget the White House. Just inside
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the House Republican caucus. How could this not be fairly self-evident, sir? Because there are a handful
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of moderates who claim that they will be defeated in the next election if somehow we, you know, gut
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Medicaid. We're not gutting Medicaid. We're preserving it for the truly needy. The bottom line is we have to
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get to that next election. I will tell you, after that Moody's downgrade, there is a chance that this
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spirals out of control in the next 18 months. It definitely will spiral out of control in the
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next three years. We have to do something. Look, if you came to Washington to get reelected,
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go back home because that's not what this country needs. This country needs a group of men and women
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who came to save the country. And that means occasionally you have to take a really tough
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vote and then convince your constituents of why you did it. This one is crystal clear. They should be
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able to go back home and convince people why they did it to save our country.
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Is this the central issue that we're dealing with now? Are there other issues that rise to this level?
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Or if not, what are the other two or three secondary issues?
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There are a couple of other issues, but this is the big one. Again, because, you know, this is the
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largest growing program in the federal government. So this is a big one. Obviously, we have dealt with the
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food stamp issue. That was the second largest growing program in the federal government.
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And again, we should be looking to return to pre-COVID spending levels wherever we can.
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So Doge got a good start. The administration, by cutting a lot of the grants, the grants to
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non-governmental organizations or NGOs, that's a good start. But we have a long way to go.
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The most important thing we have to do with this bill is to make sure it doesn't increase our deficit
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in the next five years. And, Steve, that's the game here. You know, the deficit goes up in the first
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five years and then goes down, quote, goes down in the second five years. We'll never get to the
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second five years. Because if we have the fiscal collapse, what I call, and interest rates go to
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7, 8, 9, 10, 11 percent, as they did in the 80s, this whole house of cards falls down.
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Is anybody working, like, is Treasury or OMB or HACET at NEC, National Economic Council, has anybody put
00:24:54.000
out a set of math that you guys can sit there and you can actually show them, hey, the deficit goes
00:24:58.760
up in the first couple of years, like the Wall Street Journal is saying today, so we can't do that
00:25:02.840
because we'll never get to the back end. We'll never get to where the structural cuts are.
00:25:07.640
Has anybody sat in a room with people and say, that's just not logical and let's figure out how we
00:25:12.580
don't do that? Steve, the amazing thing is everybody knows that's true. This is the old
00:25:18.140
Washington game. We're going to look at a 10-year budget window. We're going to do all the spending
00:25:22.360
up front. We're going to do the savings at the tail end, and we never get to the tail end.
00:25:27.020
The bottom line is this is the way the swamp has worked. Look, this is my 15th year. I can't believe
00:25:32.740
that this happens time and time again. This is just the latest iteration, but now we can't afford to
00:25:40.380
make this mistake again. We literally can't afford. This is existential. Again, if the bond markets
00:25:47.020
fail, the spiral will be out of control. I hope President Trump doesn't want that to occur under
00:25:54.080
his watch. I'm sure he doesn't. The best way to avoid it is to solve this Medicaid issue in this bill.
00:26:02.120
And you're confident in solving this, you're not eviscerating MAGA, the 25% of MAGA that's on
00:26:09.480
Medicaid, sir? Well, look, if somebody is not working, they should be working. It's the bottom
00:26:17.180
line. That's a message we should send. Otherwise, let's just become Democrats and give everybody
00:26:21.400
money not to work and to go on welfare. With regards to the rest of it, it's now going to be
00:26:27.760
a state decision. So all we're doing is we're saying, look, states, you've got to pay your fair
00:26:32.120
share for that expansion population. It's a state decision to get them off of that. And that's what
00:26:37.440
we have to talk about. We have to talk about this is unfair. You know, if a state wants to do it,
00:26:42.380
your argument is not with the federal government. It's not with your federal representatives. It's
00:26:46.060
actually with your state representatives who don't want to foot the bill for their for their citizens.
00:26:51.780
I know you got to bounce, but you're saying right now, the way you see it, you don't see you get
00:26:56.060
into a vote by Wednesday, sir? Oh, they may bring it up for a vote by Wednesday, but they better be
00:27:01.820
prepared to lose because there is no way this passes on Wednesday without without another major
00:27:07.560
spending reduction in this package. I mean, I just know where the votes are. I know who the people
00:27:12.200
are. There are a group of people like me who didn't come to Washington to get reelected. We came to
00:27:16.920
Washington to save the country. And again, look, the president is likely to call me. I'm just going
00:27:23.640
to tell the president, look, Mr. President, you don't want you don't want this bill. I'm voting to
00:27:29.120
make sure that we don't have a fiscal collapse. And that's that's the way it is. And I hope the
00:27:35.560
president listens to the message. Where do people follow you on social media, Congressman?
00:27:41.900
They go to Rep. Andy Harris. They go to Harris.house.gov. We've got we've got a Twitter
00:27:46.200
account and we an X account, and we will be tweeting about this over the next few days.
00:27:52.080
We understand. Congressman, thank you for coming on. And thank you for being so blunt.
00:27:56.420
Appreciate it. Thank you. That was no happy talk. That was pretty. That was pretty blunt.
00:28:05.700
Refreshing, refreshingly blunt. Short commercial break. We're going to dive deep into this budget
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today. Also, a cover up that makes Watergate look like a Sunday afternoon church picnic.
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Okay, we're going to get back to the budget and budget deficits here in a moment. I want to bring
00:31:30.360
in Laura Loomer, who joins us by phone. She's traveling. Laura, correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't
00:31:38.140
you put out a quite controversial tweet? I'm shocked I'm saying this. I'm connecting Laura Loomer with a
00:31:45.220
controversial tweet. Didn't you put in a controversial tweet a year or so ago saying that Biden had an
00:31:51.860
emergency, some medical emergency on Air Force One and they might divert the plane or something and
00:31:57.480
later they denied it? Did you know about this early on, ma'am? Yes, on July 5th, I believe that's the
00:32:05.580
date, I tweeted that Joe Biden was having a medical emergency on Air Force One. I said it's happening
00:32:11.460
right now. Biden just had a medical emergency on Air Force One and press access has been removed.
00:32:16.840
And the tweet was seen about 40 million times. Elon Musk reacted to it. And I was demonized in the
00:32:24.020
media. They said I made up the story. They said it was fake news. And then days later, I said Biden
00:32:29.220
is very ill. He's in Delaware. His family is making final preparations for him. He is in the terminal
00:32:36.100
phase of his illness. And Kamala Harris might indeed take over the responsibilities for Biden as
00:32:42.620
president. He might succumb to his terminal illness. And I had been told by a source that Biden
00:32:47.680
had entered the terminal phase of his illness. Terminal means six months to one year left to
00:32:52.660
live. Of course, there's always outliers. But that was last July. And so we are now at the end of May
00:32:58.460
almost. And, you know, a lot of people are wondering whether or not Joe Biden is going to be dead within
00:33:04.060
the next 30, 60 to 90 days. And that would, of course, follow the timeline of my exclusive reporting last
00:33:11.720
year in July. And now you see Jay Tapper and all these people in the left wing media who said that I was
00:33:17.300
spreading conspiracies come out with really the same exact information. So massive cover up here. And it
00:33:25.500
looks like now doctors are finally admitting that Biden appears to have had cancer throughout his entire
00:33:30.440
presidency. You had a doctor that went on MSDNC this morning and said it's very unlikely, nearly impossible for
00:33:38.660
the president of the United States of America who gets multiple checkups per year to not have a PSA
00:33:45.140
level detected for the cancer to spread to his bones. And now you see all these gaps in the media that they
00:33:51.020
said, oh, you know, there was a gap. It was a gap. He's just, you know, an old forgetful man. You know,
00:33:56.200
Biden flipped up several times and said he had cancer. He had a colonoscopy, if you recall, where Kamala
00:34:03.140
Harris briefly assumed the power of the presidency. And everybody thought it was very bizarre for a routine
00:34:08.300
colonoscopy. But now we know probably wasn't a routine colonoscopy. It probably was a very invasive
00:34:13.900
procedure. And given the fact that Biden was terminally ill at the time, they probably wondered
00:34:18.660
if he was going to die on the operating room table.
00:34:23.560
You're a warrior in the information war. It's all about narratives. How want me through how the
00:34:33.160
her tape? First off, the her tape gets released because Caputo says, hey, I'm the first guy to
00:34:38.980
ask for it back in January. And they didn't have it. The landing team of the beachhead team couldn't
00:34:43.820
find it. Number one, why is it Axios putting this out and it's not the administration, not the
00:34:53.340
Justice Department, the FBI announcing there's been an investigation on this thing since the afternoon
00:34:58.620
of January 20th, 2021. And then did the left panic? And that's why they finally said, oh, we got to
00:35:05.960
we got to bury that by saying he's he's about to die. And you get Axelrod saying, oh, all the discussion
00:35:12.720
now about her must be muted or must be taken down a couple of notches, ma'am.
00:35:18.160
Well, I think that there's a pervasive rot that still exists within the DOJ. I think it's really
00:35:23.360
suspicious. And then, look, I like Mark Caputo as a person, but I do think it's a little bizarre that
00:35:28.360
under the current Trump administration, a leftist publication was able to get the exclusive access
00:35:34.440
to this tape that even conservatives, conservative organizations, watchdog organizations filed FOIA
00:35:42.000
requests to receive and never once received. So, again, it's like this typical trend that we oftentimes
00:35:48.280
see within the Trump administration. And I'm not blaming President Trump for this, but oftentimes some
00:35:54.180
of his staff or some of his officials will reward fake news entities. Right. It's not like Axios was
00:36:00.620
really ahead of the curve on this. They're now trying to take credit. And Alex Thompson is peddling
00:36:05.780
his book with Jay Tapper. But if you recall, all of these outlets demonized conservatives were even
00:36:11.140
daring to question whether or not Joe Biden had a mental deficiency or some kind of illness.
00:36:16.760
They said it was deepfakes. They said that the images that we were posting were artificial
00:36:22.620
intelligence deepfakes. And so I would question the intentions of the DOJ. It's no surprise that I
00:36:30.180
don't think that Pam Blondie is doing a good job. I think that it speaks volumes. As I said before,
00:36:36.620
the Axios was able to get the exclusive audio tapes that allows the left-wing media to control the
00:36:43.880
narrative on this, even though they completely demonized Donald Trump, demonized all of his
00:36:49.480
supporters for years. I mean, look, we've been calling out Joe Biden for almost six years now.
00:36:54.020
This isn't just something new. If you recall, even Barack Hussein Obama said,
00:36:58.740
never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to F things up. That's a direct Obama quote. And he was saying
00:37:04.100
that because Joe Biden had so many gaffes. And we now know these were not gaffes. He has had an
00:37:10.160
illness for probably 10 to 12 years now that has been cumulative over time. And now he's in the
00:37:17.240
terminal stage of his illness, as I reported a year ago. So I don't think people should be
00:37:25.440
applauding Axios. I don't think people should be applauding Jake Tapper. I don't think people
00:37:30.300
should be applauding or rewarding Alex Thompson with book sales either. I think that there needs
00:37:35.360
to be mass condemnation. OK, so David Axelrod, David Axelrod says because of the expose of the
00:37:41.100
cancer. I mean, they treat us like idiots. So they they reveal the cancer on Sunday after this thing
00:37:45.980
blows up on Saturday, Friday night and Saturday. What then is to be done? What is your recommendation
00:37:51.280
to DOJ? What's your recommendation to the House? What's your recommendation to investigative reporters?
00:37:56.380
What should be done here, given you may not have Biden around in six, seven, eight months, ma'am?
00:38:04.020
Well, as I reported last year, I said that it was my belief that Dr. Kevin O'Connor, who was the
00:38:10.880
White House physician, was fabricating Biden's medical records. I think that now appears to be
00:38:16.040
correct. And I would immediately encourage the DOJ to investigate Dr. Kevin O'Connor. I think that his
00:38:23.720
medical license should be revoked. I think that they should subpoena him and ask him why he
00:38:29.760
appears to have fabricated. I mean, that's what it looks like. It looks like Kevin O'Connor
00:38:34.560
fabricated Joe Biden's medical records. You see the report that he released in a letter
00:38:38.980
from physician to the president at the White House on official letter letterhead on February 16th of
00:38:45.440
2023, in which he said that I, quote, conducted a comprehensive review of President Biden's medical
00:38:51.620
history and a detailed physical examination, in which he said that he had perfect health. So,
00:38:59.580
you know, there definitely needs to be an investigation into all of the physicians who
00:39:04.860
paid Joe Biden visits. And that's not just Dr. Kevin O'Connor. That would also include Dr. Kevin
00:39:10.800
Cannard, who is the Parkinson's disease specialist, who met with Joe Biden and Dr. Kevin O'Connor at the
00:39:16.640
White House on January 17th, 2024. I think that all of his staff need to be subpoenaed and there
00:39:22.740
needs to be an investigation and charges brought against Dr. Jill, the fake doctor who has committed
00:39:29.120
elder abuse. And we also need to investigate the legitimacy of all of the pardons, as Ed Martin
00:39:35.560
said, because, well, if Joe Biden had cancer and he was terminally ill, that means that these
00:39:41.420
auto pen pardons are completely illegitimate. So that would be my recommendation. I don't think
00:39:47.140
that these physicians should be allowed to practice medicine anymore. And you and you think
00:39:52.180
this should come from the this should come from DOJ and FBI, that a formal investigation, they should
00:39:58.720
subpoena these records today. I think maybe even seize whatever over at Walter Reed, that this should
00:40:03.920
begin immediately and this should be a formal inquiry. Absolutely. I mean, this is the biggest this,
00:40:10.460
in my opinion, is the biggest political scandal to ever come out of the White House for any president
00:40:15.360
in U.S. history. And we're talking about potentially an illegitimate occupant of the
00:40:21.800
White House, a man who stole the election. And not only did he steal the election, but it appears
00:40:27.320
that his wife and all of the White House staff and all of the White House aides and the White House
00:40:32.300
physicians and medical staff at Walter Reed engaged in a criminal coverup of fabricating medical
00:40:38.220
records to hide the fact that Joe Biden had cancer and other issues as well, cognitive issues for
00:40:45.340
the entirety of his presidency. I mean, you have the admission from him on video that you played at the
00:40:51.180
top of the show saying that he had cancer in 2022. And now you also have physicians on MSDNC and CNN
00:40:59.220
coming out this morning saying that it's impossible. It is impossible with Joe Biden's level of care
00:41:06.280
and the type of medical checkups and tests that he was being subjected to every single year,
00:41:13.540
multiple times a year as president of the United States, illegitimate, of course,
00:41:18.340
for them to miss this, for them to miss this. It just doesn't happen overnight. You don't get
00:41:23.400
cancer that spreads to your bones overnight. So there needs to be a criminal investigation
00:41:28.220
and needs to be more than just an investigation, because I know I speak for many in the war room
00:41:33.400
audience, Steve, when I say we're sick and tired of the blowhards and the GOP talking about their
00:41:38.120
nonsense investigations. We want people to go to jail. We don't want to have James Comer talk about
00:41:43.780
this. So then, you know, James Comer can go write another crappy book about his investigation into Joe
00:41:49.480
Biden. You know, we've had enough of enough books. If you want to write a book, then drop out of Congress
00:41:54.140
and go write a book. You know, go join James Comer and you guys can hang out with your seashells and
00:41:59.380
write books together on the beach somewhere. I just think we need to have real investigations and
00:42:04.160
there needs to actually be some accountability. We need to see people go to jail. We are months into
00:42:10.380
the Trump administration, past the 100-day mark, and Pam Blondie has failed to bring any real charges
00:42:16.680
against anybody, Steve. It's an abomination. As I reported this weekend, you have James Comer's
00:42:22.360
daughter and James Comer's son-in-law still working at the DOJ. When are these people going to get
00:42:27.620
fired? Cleaning house means cleaning house. It appears that we were lied to by people in the FBI
00:42:33.320
and people in the new DOJ who told us we were going to have a day one reset. And we've had the
00:42:39.240
Justice Department have had these tapes since the afternoon of 20 January 2021. It's fine the media got
00:42:44.820
them, but what action? I agree with you. Brennan, Comer, Millie, all of them. Laura, what's your social
00:42:50.960
media? Where do people get you, ma'am? You can follow me on x at Laura Loomer and also at Loomer
00:42:57.700
Unleashed. And you can visit my website, Loomer.com, for all types of exclusive reporting you're not
00:43:04.800
going to see anywhere else. And catch my show on Rumble every Tuesday and Thursday, 9 p.m. Eastern,
00:43:10.920
rumble.com slash Laura Loomer. Laura, thank you for taking time away today. I know you're traveling
00:43:17.340
to join us by phone. Laura Loomer. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it.
00:43:21.700
Laura Loomer is correct. Point blank. This is 10x bigger than Watergate. 10x. You had an
00:43:33.880
illegitimate president. I'm a guy go back to the railhead. I said from the beginning,
00:43:38.200
you got to investigate 2020. This is all of a piece. Ladies and gentlemen, we told you they
00:43:44.660
were crooks. We told you he was illegitimate. And now in May of 2025, they finally released
00:43:52.560
the tape so you can listen to your with your own ears, hear what you hear. Then they dropped
00:43:58.140
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Okay, go ahead and play it. First, it's a massive victory to get it out of the budget committee,
00:45:58.540
into the rules committee. There's really one more step after that to get it to the floor and to get
00:46:03.180
the big, beautiful bill to the Senate. I think we're highly, highly optimistic as in 100 percent,
00:46:08.640
we're going to get that bill to the Senate 100 percent. We're going to pass this bill
00:46:11.600
by the middle of the summer. And the reason is that the bill is so well crafted. First,
00:46:16.720
it's got the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which is stuff that we passed in 2017. And it all works exactly
00:46:22.160
the way we said. We got the three percent growth. We got the $6,500 in wage growth and so on. And now
00:46:28.140
we're adding new things like the no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security. They're
00:46:32.500
going to make it even better, even faster growing and so on. And so the new CEA study shows that this
00:46:38.800
is a home run of a bill for the American people. And that's really what I think the big news of the
00:46:43.760
weekend is that we got that through what I think is probably the final tough hurdle of the House,
00:46:47.800
which is the House Budget Committee, which is the toughest place to get it to get it through.
00:46:52.460
So you heard Andy Harris say, hey, they still got it. And look, let's let's
00:46:56.540
would just notify that President Trump is now on the phone with Putin. So President Trump in the
00:47:02.260
three big areas trying to end the kinetic part of the third world war and get some sort of Russian
00:47:08.100
rapprochement. So we put we can put Ukraine and in this situation in Persia, put them to bed
00:47:16.520
because they need to be put to bed. And so President Trump's doing that. He's they've
00:47:22.320
got a fantastic piece in the Federalist today about how this judicial revolt is actually a
00:47:29.340
judicial coup against the commander in chief. It's a must read by Margo Cleveland. I've got
00:47:36.200
that up on Getter. Got to read that on this. I mean, can you solve the Medicaid problem and
00:47:43.740
try to reverse this expansion in one fell swoop? I don't know. Here's what I do know.
00:47:49.040
You can't have. So maybe that's and that structurally is a big issue. I know that. And
00:47:54.860
there's a lot of people worked up about it. And we don't want to cut Medicaid to the folks
00:47:59.520
that need it. Right. Like I said, 25 percent, I think 25 percent of MAGA is on Medicaid.
00:48:05.400
You don't want to cut Medicaid to those who need it. But it's got to be very restrictive.
00:48:10.240
You get no two and a half million illegal aliens. All got to go. The able bodied that
00:48:15.900
got to have a minimum work requirement or volunteer requirement or school requirement, technical
00:48:20.540
training thing. It's 80 hours a month. Come on, man. That's nothing. Should be 80 hours a
00:48:26.460
week. OK, people got to be out there working or trying to find work. But this about this
00:48:35.240
expansion, it's going to be a fight. My issue is just it's to pull back the camera and just
00:48:42.240
look at Andy Harris's. You've got this 10 year. They do this 10 year budget and the scam is
00:48:47.240
always the same. The savings all come in the out years and they never materialize. They
00:48:53.460
just never materialize. So now we got the increase in spending for for for the deportations,
00:49:00.320
what you need that defense, which I don't think you need. I think it's nice to have.
00:49:05.740
I think we'd like to have it. But we're in a must have it situation right now. The bottom
00:49:10.660
line, the Wall Street Journal's got that article up. Everybody ought to read it. And, you know,
00:49:14.180
I'm no fan of the Wall Street Journal, particularly the editorial page. But I think their numbers
00:49:19.220
are pretty solid. This is what I've been saying. The deficit does increase in the first couple
00:49:23.480
of years. I don't think we're in what the plan was. And the plan is a good plan. It's
00:49:31.480
not a perfect plan. But get the deficit from six and a half percent of GDP down to three
00:49:37.980
and a half percent of GDP. Now, if there are other revenue streams that people are not
00:49:43.040
taking consideration, like the external revenue service and tariffs, you've already had a record
00:49:48.900
month in tariffs, maybe the tariffs have got a couple hundred billion dollars. I don't
00:49:53.880
know. That hasn't been formally laid out, I don't think. This is why I keep saying that
00:49:58.400
somebody's got to put forward a model. Hassett doesn't need to come on and continue to talk
00:50:02.700
about the politics of it. What we need to do is have an adults conversation, then debate,
00:50:08.360
then discussion, then yelling at each other, but around a set of math that people agree.
00:50:12.540
So everything ought to be thrown into the kitty. Number one, Hassett just said there's no tax
00:50:16.140
on Social Security. I didn't see that. I see where there's four thousand dollars that you can
00:50:21.680
put to it, but you're still taxing Social Security. So I think it's pretty unclear on some of the
00:50:26.820
on some of the revenue side. But on the cost side, on the revenue side, if you've got money
00:50:32.620
coming in from tariffs and you think it's pretty consistent, let's show it. Right. If we got
00:50:37.840
monies coming in from any other ways, let's show it. Let's get agreed upon growth rate. At least
00:50:43.540
we can say, OK, that sounds logical. Then that drives the rest of revenue.
00:50:47.680
Let's show it. Let's show every aspect of cutting. And I think it's going to become evident of the
00:50:53.720
defense and other discretionary spending. I don't know how you don't go after this. You've got to
00:50:58.700
show that you're bending the arc on the on the, you know, on the deficits from six and a half down
00:51:07.600
to three and a half as percentage of GDP. The downgrade and Scott Besson said it's backward
00:51:13.860
looking. OK, it's backward looking, but it's still a fact. We still have. And because all the great
00:51:21.980
efforts Scott Besson's doing, taking over from Yellen, the debt still at 36 and a half. But the
00:51:28.120
moment we pass the debt ceiling increase, it's going to go up to 37 because of all the extraordinary
00:51:32.680
measures he's going to do are going to be lifted and it'll be part of the it'll be become part of
00:51:39.300
the debt. Also, just the math, if you do, if you have fiscal year 25, which in September 30,
00:51:45.300
because we took Biden's the illegitimate Biden budget. Right. Which we did. This was the speaker.
00:51:52.800
And we're doing this in fiscal year 26. It starts October 1st.
00:51:56.680
I don't know. Show me the math that shows that shows that we don't blow through the four trillion
00:52:04.340
dollars added to the excuse to the debt ceiling. So we're not a 40 trillion dollars by the midterm
00:52:09.940
elections. Just somebody show me a model that shows us. So we looked and said, OK, I see these
00:52:13.600
assumptions. I agree with that, that, that. Maybe I don't agree with this. Also, the cuts that those
00:52:19.660
are supposed to find. I understand that they're now trying to be codified in some sort of rescissions.
00:52:25.560
Let's see what that number is. Let's get it all on the table so that we can all speak from. And so
00:52:31.740
the president can see this. I'm not sure he's shown all the numbers. I just don't know. Maybe.
00:52:41.680
So Russ ought to come out and Hassett and Scott and they ought to work together and we ought to get
00:52:46.000
a set of numbers. And then and then with Andy and these guys say, hey, look, maybe we can't do
00:52:50.540
everything. You're trying to reverse Obamacare, at least aspects of it. Maybe that's doable and
00:52:56.800
maybe all of it's not doable. But that's the discussion we've got to have this weekend. It
00:53:01.220
can't have some artificial deadline that's got to happen by Labor Day weekend. It has to be right
00:53:06.900
because we're going to live with this. This is going to be a permanent part of President Trump's
00:53:11.860
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