Episode 4570: Stopping The Forever Wars
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Summary
Abby Blumberg and Abby Levin join me on the show to talk about the Iran nuclear deal, the Israeli air campaign against Iran, and why President Trump should be worried about Iran's nuclear program. We also discuss the latest on Fordow and the Israeli strike on Iran's Fordow plant.
Transcript
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I'm not sure from day one they were ever Trump.
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You know, I don't want to get into the behind-the-scenes things,
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but you could tell stories for hours about what the reality was there.
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And those guys in 21, when this audience hunkered down
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and joined the precinct strategy and got everything done,
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this audience was his core, hardest core followers.
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You talk about Bibi doing, you know, this thing of Bibi over the last 30 years,
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that it's only, you know, 12 months away, and they're playing it all the time.
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You could go do Levin of all the times he had Ron DeSantis
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and all the times that Fox had Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis,
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because they know Trump brings up a massive audience.
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You're going to have some massive media opportunity tomorrow.
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and make the audience even bigger in the 5 o'clock hour,
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but I've now become even more relevant to the media,
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Yeah, can you give me more than two hours' notice?
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Seriously, next time, just because somebody blows you off,
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since you want to throw me under the bus on live television,
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Did you ever open the box that's sitting at the Bannon War Room Studios?
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As only the war room could do, let's let it roll.
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Prime Minister Netanyahu has been very alarmist
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for a long time about the Iranian nuclear program.
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And obviously, in hindsight, a lot of that alarm was exaggerated.
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But I think it is the case that the Iranian nuclear program
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has accelerated since President Trump's disastrous decision in 2018
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At that point, we know that the Iranian breakout time,
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Now, I think everybody agrees, including U.S. intelligence,
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how long would it take them to actually weaponize that material?
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which is saying it would take a longer period of time.
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But I think you're on to a key point here, Abby,
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or the U.S. or somebody does not take out the Fordow site?
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will pretty much continue despite all the damage
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that the Iranians are suffering in this Israeli air campaign.
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all that stuff will remain still in Iranian hands.
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And I think what President Trump has to calculate
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that the Iranians, who have so far been refraining
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from attacking U.S. bases or shipping in the region,
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And so, you know, you see all these U.S. bases,
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And so, you know, Israel is about 1,000 miles from Iran.
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So Iran has a lot more missiles that they can shoot at them.
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So there's a lot more damage they can probably do
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Let's answer questions about whether you are moving closer
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You don't seriously think I'm going to answer that question.
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Would you please inform us so we can be there and watch?
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I mean, you don't know that I'm going to even do it.
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why didn't you negotiate with me two weeks ago?
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I don't have the scripture off the tip of mine.
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because biblically we're commanded to support Israel.
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You're a senator and now you're throwing out theology
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and I am a Christian and I am allowed to weigh in on this.
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We are commanded as Christians to support the government of Israel?
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We're told those who bless Israel will be blessed.
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That would be the country you've asked like 49 questions about.
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So that's what Genesis, that's what God is talking about.
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So is that the current borders, the current leadership?
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He's talking about the political entity called Israel?
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Yeah, nations exist and he's discussing a nation.
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is that the same as the country run by Benjamin Netanyahu right now?
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And by the way, it's not run by Benjamin Netanyahu as a dictator.
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But just like, you know, America is the country run by Donald Trump.
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No, actually, the American people elected Donald Trump.
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I'm talking about the political entity of modern Israel.
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Do you believe that's what God was talking about in Genesis?
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Now, there was a time when it didn't exist and then it was recreated just over 70 years ago.
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But I'm saying, I think most people understand that line in Genesis to refer to the Jewish people, God's chosen people.
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But you don't even know where in the Bible it is.
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What do you say to the supreme leader of Iran that they will not say good luck?
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They had 60 days and a big, you know, 60 days, plenty of time.
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Really, as far as a lot of people that I've been talking to here, they really do want to see the United States get involved.
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They want to see the United States finish the job.
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One of the reasons why Benjamin Netanyahu keeps getting elected, keeps getting supported here, is because he tells the Israeli people that he is, and this is something that you hear from people in Israel about Benjamin Netanyahu, that he is an expert on manipulating whoever is in the White House.
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And that's central to being the prime minister of Israel.
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And it's something that he says, he constantly repeats to the voting public here, that he and only he can extract what Israelis need out of foreign capitals, specifically Washington.
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So there is a lot of feeling here that the United States, a lot of confidence that the United States is going to weigh in, that Donald Trump is going to decide to do something against Iran.
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One, maybe that bunker buster bomb that we're all talking about, the one that could possibly burrow in and destroy those remaining centrifuges in the Fordow nuclear facility.
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Have you seen the Tucker Carlson, Senator Ted Cruz interview?
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It seems like this issue on whether or not the United States should strike is kind of dividing a lot of your supporters.
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My supporters don't want to see Iran have a nuclear weapon.
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He called and apologized the other day because he thought he said things that were a little bit too strong.
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I'd say once the race was over, he's been with me ever since.
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If they think that it's OK for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, then they should oppose me.
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But if it's a choice between fighting and him having a nuclear weapon, you have to do what you have to do.
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In fact, we agree on a lot of things, aren't we?
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You say you want to end the war, so why don't you?
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I'm trying to cut the military budget for the first time in 30 years.
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But it's also a question of American credibility, our position in the world.
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There's more at stake here than what you want or what I want.
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Maybe not control it totally, but tame it enough to make it do some good.
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Sounds like you're talking about a wild animal.
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I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that.
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Wednesday, 18 June, Year of the Lord, 2025.
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I want to thank Dave Brat for stepping in this morning.
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A Christian Science Monitor had a press availability that we had scheduled actually a month ago.
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I want to thank the Christian Science Monitor for doing it.
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And I'm going to get to the details of that, about my thoughts about MAGIT and President Trump in this war.
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And then I had a couple of MAGITs I could not get out of.
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And over the next, I don't know, week or two, I may be in and out here in the morning show.
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Right there, we ended, we ended the cold open with that incredibly powerful scene from the movie Nixon.
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That was Sir Anthony Hopkins playing Richard Nixon.
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It's a true story about going to the Lincoln Memorial in the middle of the night during one of the biggest demonstrations.
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And Nixon right there talking about the deep state, talking about the beast, the system.
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And what he was talking about, cut the defense budget.
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Inexurably drawn in, inexurably drawn into a conflict that everybody realized was madness.
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Including the amazing young men and women that went over there and served and gave all.
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Why are we inexorably drawn into this with, I mean, how did this all start last week?
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Thought Abby Phillips did a really good job there.
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Max Boot made the case, well, Fedor, you know, only the Americans can do it.
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And if you don't take that out, then you haven't ended their nuclear program.
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When he started bombing last Thursday that we would have to finish the job?
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Let's ask the cheerleaders over at Fox, working for Murdoch, taking his money.
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So Bibi Netanyahu went to, and by the way, for Ted Cruz, yo, dude, I'm not exactly the
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When you talk about the Genesis thing, isn't our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ the new covenant?
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Now, you know, I'm a Catholic, and the Catholics, as everyone knows, are not as intensely into
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I think that's changing now, but particularly when I was raised.
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But in the Mass, the Catholic Mass, at the most solemn part, the new and everlasting covenant.
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This whole thing, it was one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard in my life.
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A grown man, a grown man that professes to be a Christian.
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But the New Testament's called the New Testament for a reason.
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Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, is the new covenant.
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I think we're the biggest, one of the biggest defenders of Israel and the nation of Israel
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It's hard to think there, the guy, you know, promotes himself inside of Israel as a manipulator
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of American presidents, a manipulator of the American political process.
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We still don't have an answer from them about why the attacks had to be last Thursday.
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You said on Sunday with Brad Barrett that they're not going to have a weapon for 12 to 13 months.
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So why did it have to happen on a Thursday in early June with the 12th, the 11th, the 12th?
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Is this the Israeli intelligence that's just had the greatest intelligence failure on October 7th,
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And people say, well, Steve, you can't, you know, they had their eye off the ball.
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Mossad, all of it, one of the great, the epic failure, epic failure.
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That group is now going to have special intelligence.
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And we know from Rubio and others that it was us that gave them intelligence.
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The same exact crowd saying the same exact thing about the Iraq war.
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Try to force the president of the United States into a corner.
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And, yes, they're going through a military option, maybe a direct strike.
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Max Boot, who is the biggest MAGA and Trump hater on earth, or one of them, put him in the top 25.
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He's just laying it out there for CNN, and he does a very good job because he's kind of an expert in the military.
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He says, as a matter of fact, of course, you have to get to Fedor, and only the Americans have the technologies.
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The Israelis can't finish this, and now the Americans have to finish it.
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And if you don't get that, then you're not taking the program.
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So tell me, why did you start something you couldn't finish?
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Remember, I was upset at first that we had to do the defense.
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Why did you start something that you knew you couldn't finish?
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Are we supposed to just step in and say, oh, fine, let's finish it?
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That is a massive decision for the president of the United States who has to come to the American people and say, hey, I've weighed and measured it.
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And, yes, we have enough faith in President Trump and his judgment that he will come to the right conclusion.
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And the behavior of Fox, it's exactly like you got us into the Iraq War.
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The cheerleading of Fox and the Bush, you know, apparatchiks got us into the Iraq War.
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But these were – they knew what they had and they hid it.
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They knew they didn't have weapons of mass destruction.
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President Trump's presidency is predicated upon that in the financial collapse of 2008 where they lied to you also.
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So this was the rise, the true rise of populist nationalism in this country around a leader like Donald Trump who had the stones to take on the Bush apparatus in South Carolina and tell the nation we never should have done it.
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The same – now they're talking about the Iraq Revolutionary – the Iran Council that's out there and they got the Shah's son and they have, you know, the people – M.E.K.
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They got all these different guys and they asked me this thing.
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Don't you remember the Iraq Congress, Freedom Congress of Chalibay?
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They got to Iraq and nobody knew who they were.
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Remember days and weeks they were on Fox nonstop.
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Except for people there said, who are these guys?
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These guys have been over in the United States making money and pretending they had something.
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You had the same thing with the revolutionary – whatever these Persians are.
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The exact same thing with the exact same players and we're supposed to trust them?
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I'll play the Mark Levin clip here in a moment.
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Why did he go on Brent Baer and said it was 12 months away?
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He promotes himself as a great manipulator of American presidents.
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We're not sitting here and saying that the Mullah should have a nuclear weapon.
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Remember, when we went off the JCPOA, President Trump put in a whole thing of sanctions and not the heaviest.
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If you cut off the oil and you went up the escalatory ladder, not on military, but go up the escalatory ladder on economic warfare, you would break these guys and the people would do it.
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It would not be regime change or regime destruction from the top and particularly from the Israelis and the Americans.
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They're just going to say, oh, this is terrific.
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The same crowd said, oh, they're going to be dancing and they're going to be welcoming arms.
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It's the same guy said they're going to be throwing roses in the streets when you go to Baghdad.
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How many dead are over in Section 60 of Arlington National Cemetery that paid for their lives and destroyed their families because of the lies of Fox News and the same crowd you see pitching this war right now, almost with the same vernacular?
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And maybe if he hadn't stepped in the middle of President Trump, yes, it was a negotiation.
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And now, let's be honest, you want regime change.
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And people, I know, Steve, they're not saying regime change.
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If we're going to commit American lives and American resources, and not just that, American focus, do you honestly think we will be able to complete everything we want to do in this Trump revolution if we're tangled up there?
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Do you think we can step a stand up to the existential threat of this country, the Chinese Communist Party that's everywhere when we just took a carrier battle group out of the South China Sea and sent it through the Straits of Malacca?
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And now the Nimitz, who initially, in 1979, on his first cruise in 1980, was there, as I was, on a 7th Fleet destroyer squadron with a carrier battle group that did the exact same thing, left that area, went through the Malacca Straits, crossed the Indian Ocean, up to Camel and Gonzo Station, 50 years ago in 1979, whatever that math works out to.
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Again, the pressure on President Trump's coming from the outside, and it's coming from people who are not straight with him.
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Fox News and the Murdoch's, and Murdoch, given you're 92, you better get, you know, far be it from me to say you've got to get right with the Lord.
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But remember, you're going to be weighed and measured.
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And right now, all the facts are not coming out.
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And no, Kaylee McEnany, I'm not sitting there saying we should do this.
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Oh, yeah, let's go, let's go send some guys over there and go blow stuff up and get America involved.
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But let us think it through and understand exactly this time, unlike Iraq, unlike Afghanistan, unlike Vietnam,
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let's have enough respect for the people over there at Section 60.
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Let's do an even deeper dive than we do on Memorial Day.
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Let's have enough respect for them to say, okay, this time we're going to totally think it through.
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This time we're not going to be inexorably drawn in like Nixon talks about the system.
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This time we're not going to be manipulated by anybody.
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When we make this decision, we make it as free men and women in the greatest republic,
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the greatest country in man's earth that have made tons of mistakes.
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And in fact, we have a leader that has come to power refuting the political class,
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the Lindsey Graham's of the world, the Lindsey Graham's of the world, those little worms,
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And Ted Cruz, you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Your lack of just a basic understanding of what's at stake here and what it means,
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disgraceful, disgraceful, revolting, and you call yourself a leader.
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Have respect for the honored dead by saying this time we will take the time and we will take the effort
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and we will put in the work to make sure we looked at a range of alternatives.
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So the Wall Street Journal is reporting, if we can put it up, just come across that.
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Wall Street Journal on an exclusive is reporting that told senior aides he approved attack plans for Iran
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but is holding off on giving the final order to see if Tehran will abandon its nuclear program.
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President Trump has said for years they can't have nuclear weapons.
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Finish the job that the Israelis knew at the beginning that they couldn't finish.
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So now President Trump's got to make the decision.
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President Trump's got to inform the American people that we have to get involved in combat operations.
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Not enough to be in defense of combat operations.
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By someone that NBC News is saying prides himself on being a great manipulator.
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And who, from his public statements, doesn't seem like it was any emergency that needed to be done by kinetic military action last Thursday.
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Yes, people were united that they can't have the bomb.
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That they'd already, that Steve was already set to go to, President Trump's right hand and special envoy for all this,
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Whitcoff, in Muscat, Oman, I think the 6th or 7th meeting.
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And just maybe they thought they were tapping the president along.
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There's a lot of things you can do on course of diplomacy.
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Not so sure I'm that impressed with your intelligence.
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You're assigned to the Chinese Communist Party's navy.
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He was an intelligence officer in the Pacific Fleet.
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And they focused on the Chinese Communist threat there.
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Well, the reason that we're anti-institutionalists
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is that the institutions in this government don't work.
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And everybody in this town that's here working knows it.
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It's done as good a job as it can given the political leadership.
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The valor and courage of the troops has not and never can be questioned
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Let's go back to Section 60 over at Arlington National Cemetery
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Because CENTCOM has such power in the Pentagon.
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And now we've got more of these carrier battle groups.
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People have to understand the combatant commanders.
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Don't think about the Joint Chiefs of Staff anymore.
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Even the Army Chief of Staff or the Chief of Naval Operations.
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Those combatant commanders are a little bit like God on Earth.
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With everything we've gone through, look at the bases.
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I know the purpose of, I can see the purpose of Greenland.
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I can see the understanding of purpose in the Arctic.
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I can see the purpose of the Central Pacific and the three-island chain.
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You add an Iron Dome on it, an anti-ballistic missile system,
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and we nurture on the Monroe Doctrine our partners in Brazil when Lula's gone.
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You get the Bolsonaro's back in Middle-Aid, in Argentina, and others.
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That's a hemispheric defense for the United States off of the Eurasian landmass
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where we then can send expeditionary forces where we need to send them
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I think a lot of people that don't follow that closely,
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and you don't have to, you've got enough to do in your own life.
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But I think a lot of people are shocked and they're looking at,
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We've got all these bases, got 50,000 troops spread over hell's half acre
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At a trillion dollars, has any of that happened?
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You want to see where the trillion dollars is going, folks?
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Start looking at that map that Max Boot had out there.
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We start talking about what's around in the region,
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It rests with the mullahs and it rests with the,
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I don't think he's going to mess around anymore.
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But in making that argument to the American people,
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In fact, everybody in this town that focuses on this knows it.
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or the nuclear operation of the whole thing they've got,
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And they started something they knew they couldn't finish.
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And if they couldn't finish it, it was all for naught.
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Now we're in this situation that President Trump,
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who's trying to stop an invasion of our country,
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To this nation, to the citizens of this nation,
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of these wars they're drawn into that have no purpose.
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$7 trillion in Iraq and $2 trillion in Afghanistan,
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with thousands of dead and tens of thousands of wounded
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and people with PTSD committing suicide every day.
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And yes, President Trump's the commander-in-chief
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and he's going to work through this and decide.
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But he knows, because he looks at the history of Nixon and Johnson
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And these things are much easier to start than to finish.
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They're not going to build a bomb in a couple weeks.
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a ballistic missile is going to hit San Francisco.
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particularly people who never served their country
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And you're going to question people's patriotism?
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Or question someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene
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that's worked her tail off for the MAGA movement,
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Murdoch said that we're going to make Trump a non-person.
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Just like the collection of clowns you put up in 2016,
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and yes, they were by and large not with the program
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you tried to kneecap Trump in the very first debate.
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Let's have enough respect for the American people.
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They ever, they, they, they, all broken hearted.
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How many times have Murdoch's been over Section 60?
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by saying this time we're actually going to think it through.
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and particularly he's given them another chance.
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And now, but now the other chance is kind of mangled
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because the Israelis and Bibi moved this to what they moved it to,
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Who in the hell are you to lecture the American people?
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Say, hey, Ben, I don't know what he's talking about.
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but it's not something he would just say out of thing.
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Oh, yeah, let's go bomb him and take care of it.