Episode 4771： Next Man Up; Bolosnaro Sentenced To Prison
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On today's show, Steve and I discuss the current state of the Democratic Party and what it means for the future of the country. We also talk about the growing power of the MAGA movement and how it can take our country back.
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to translate to action. Listen, they think, they have this theory that if they take out Trump and
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they get Tucker Carlson fired and they liquidate Alex Jones and they keep MTG off committees for
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a first term in Congress, unheard of, if they take away the law license of Rudy Giuliani and
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bankrupt one of the greatest men in this country, if they bankrupt the Hoffs over at Gateway Pundit
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and John Eastman, I can go down and down and down and get parents to go into school boards
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intimidated. If they can go take the little Catholic churches, the Latin mass Catholic churches
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and intimidate them. If they, if, if we just sit there and say, oh, woe is me, then we lose.
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We're winning. We're ascended. This movement is getting bigger every day. Look at why did Joe Biden
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roll the dice in one of the debate. President Trump on Thursday, five months before the,
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before the campaign simply because he's so far down. He's so far behind because African Americans,
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Hispanics, Asian Americans, uh, every people under 29 years old, everybody is coming to MAGA two
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thirds of the country to MAGA and they're coming because they understand that this is about taking
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their country back and stopping this invasion, stopping the forever war, stopping the madness
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on Capitol Hill. Our movements ascended. They think if they can decapitate that and do it with,
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you know, 50 negative pieces on Charlie Kirk and turning points, terrible. And trust me,
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Charlie Kirk's going to get an IRS investigation. They're already, you know, I'm sure going after
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Charlie Kirk and every different aspect. If we act like we're intimidated, they're going to win.
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Here's why I'm so look, would I rather not spend the next four months there? Of course not. But it is
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what it is. And here's what I know my team and our audience will step up to the plate. That's why
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next man up because this is a 20 year project to take our country back. A lot of us are not going
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to be around in a couple of years. President Trump is 78 years old and had the burden of the world put
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on him, including, uh, being not just a company strip, but in a couple of weeks, he's going to have
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be, uh, he's going to be sentenced to prison. Donald Trump, who gave us three and a half,
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four years of peace and prosperity as president. This is how out of control it is.
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Oh, what she's doing is she's trying to get out the visual and the idea of assassinating Donald
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Trump. This is where this is headed. I hope everyone understands whether it be Julius Caesar.
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Yeah. Julius Caesar, Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr.,
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Bobby Kennedy, assassinations of major political leaders are nothing new. And yet we've kind of
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been immune to that for a couple of decades. We have been warning about this for months. Now,
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the very interesting question is, will they try to kill Joe Biden or Donald Trump? That's the
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interesting question. Uh, which one right now is a bigger threat to them? And that I'll let the
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audience kind of ruminate on that question, but we've been warning about this for quite some months.
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This is why the next man up philosophy is so important and why we wanted to do the show with
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you, Steve, as a show of force is that you take one out a hundred more appear. You take one out a
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thousand more appear. You take one out 10,000 more appear. You take one out. We give more money.
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You take one out. We register more voters. You take one out is that it only actually makes us
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stronger. You see, there are three different ways to analyze political movements or to
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categorize them. There are the, there are the fragile, the durable and the anti-fragile. This
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is from Nassim Taleb, which is a phenomenal book. The fragile, the fragile is the Mitt Romney
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Republican party. That is the Paul Ryan Republican party. You say one bad word about them. They
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collapse, they bend a knee, they surrender, and they're relentlessly apologizing and they're
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spineless. Then there is the durable. The durable is the best of the conservative movement
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prior to Donald Trump. That would be the conservative movement that always held on and they put up a
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good point fight, had some fortitude, but didn't quite have enough to be able to endure the grind
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or the slog of the activist regime media. And then there is the anti-fragile. I include, I encourage
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everyone to read the book anti-fragile. In the book anti-fragile, Nassim Taleb argues that there are very,
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there are unique people, organizations, movements, restaurants, companies that actually get stronger,
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the more pressure and opposition that is applied upon them. And when you find an anti-fragile movement,
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that their life force is actually what ends up being opposition. That is Donald Trump. Has anyone noticed
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that Donald Trump looks younger, stronger, more full of life and vitality after the indictments than before
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the indictments? It gives him purpose, reason of being. It gives him a telos, as the Greekers would
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say, or a teleological purpose for existence. This movement that we are part of right now,
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that historians will write about for the next 1,000 years. Let me say that again. This movement that
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you are part of will be written about for the next millennia. People do not remember the many
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movements from four or 500 years ago, maybe a little bit here, English revolution or whatever.
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This movement will be written about for 1,000 years. And when the history books are written,
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it will befuddle historians 600, 700, 800 years from now. Why is it that the people that had so much
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to lose, the Steve Bannons, the Peter Navarros, the Donald Trumps, they kept on doubling and tripling
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down because full of fortitude and that resolute spirit, we have the chance to influence the arc of
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history as the left-winger Hegelians would always say. The arc of history always bends towards justice.
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How about this? The arc of history will bend back towards citizen-led government,
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not subjects, not slaves. And we will use this dark moment as they cart you off tomorrow,
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Steve, and put you in handcuffs and we say goodbye for 123 days. For 123 days, I will work harder than
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I ever have my entire life. This is repulsive. This is disgusting. It is outrageous. And it is a call
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to action for every citizen watching right now to do more. You are not doing enough.
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I am not doing enough because one of our on-field commanders is getting taken off
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for 123 days. What are we going to do about it?
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going
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medieval on these people. I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try
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to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going
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to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul,
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my
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purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Thursday, 11 September in the year of our Lord 2025 to show you the, in all day, we started
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at the morning show. And then with War Room, we had Andrew and Tyler on. And then of course,
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we tossed to the Charlie Kirk show, Jack Posobiec and Andrew and Tyler. And that show was magnificent.
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You had so many of folks that just can't do much TV now because they're in the government
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certain areas. You had Darren Beattie and others come on. It was fantastic. I think Speaker
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Johnson actually called up one to be on. Raheem was on. So all day, you've gotten a good flavor.
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And what we wanted to try to do is make sure that you got a sense of Charlie Kirk besides the
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public just persona. You've seen Charlie making speeches or Charlie on TV and doing interviews.
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But this one was so special because Jack and Charlie, given that they were going to have
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the 12 o'clock show, were my, I think, close to my last guest, if not my last guest, on
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the morning of 1 July in the year of our Lord 2024 when I was about to jump in an SUV with
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the late, great Bernie Carrick and Eric Prince and go to Danbury Prison, which was right up the
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road from the hotel where we shot the morning show. Look at Charlie's understanding. It's very
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haunting, right? I'm talking about Next Man Up because, hey, when I went to prison, I was very
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specific because, as you know, everybody that comes and works at the war room has to watch
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12 O'Clock High, which is all about Next Man Up and about teams, right? And small organizations.
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I didn't give any instructions to Dave Bradd or Natalie Winters or Peter Navarro wasn't
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out of prison yet, but to all the other, you know, Mike Davis and everybody else that pitched
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in and, you know, took a four-hour show. It's very tough to find host when you're on four
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hours a day and particularly when you're split, two in the morning and two in the afternoon.
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And the rule of thumb, folks should know, in both radio and TV, it's two or three hours of
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preparation for every one hour you're on air. And Rush Limbaugh, I think, laid out
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that. And Rush had accumulation of such knowledge, so you can imagine for most people, to kind
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of walk through the questions, the clips, think through the issues, make sure you sound like
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you know what you're talking about. So that's the preparation. And I was about to go to prison
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for four months, and this show, which was so vital as an organizing, you know, instrument
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for the grassroots, for the precinct strategy, and for Tyler and everything, everybody was
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doing the grassroots level. And they took me out on purpose at that time. You remember
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that. They kind of gun-decked the whole thing. First of all, the whole thing was a joke, but
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they gun-decked the timing and delayed the appeals for months and months and months just
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so I would be taken out for those 123 days right to the rumpet election and only have a week
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left over. Now, they didn't realize we could do a lot from federal prison to help organize.
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But it was very important to me to know that the organization could go on if I was not there,
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because they are trying to take us out. Remember, the head of our movement, they were trying to
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put in federal prison. And Charlie Kirk came on totally off the top of his head, just off
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of that, what I had said, and turned to him before I'm about to punch out for four months
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and the burden's really going to be on him and Jack, you know, with the Charlie Kirk show,
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all of it, and lays out and very hauntingly talks about the assassinations, talks about
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next man up, talks about the responsibility of it all, talks about how they're trying to,
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they were trying to take out Trump and what purpose is. And particularly Tlaib's book,
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Anti-Fragile. Tlaib had reached out to me after 16, after 16, to talk about the fact that the
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organization then, the Trump campaign then, the Trump movement then, the rising movement,
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Amaga, was an anti-fragile organization. This guy was Arthur, he created the concept, the idea,
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it was a massive bestseller. And people will tell you in business and finance, they studied this.
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And he says, you guys, compared to Hillary Clinton and the Bush apparatus, everything Trump had taken
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on in the primaries, you saw this anti-fragility, this resilience that, you know, you can't be beaten.
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And what do I say on the show all the time? We're not going to lose if we don't quit.
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Also, is it Nick Freitas, or somebody had a great piece they put up on Twitter, and I think I reposted it,
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that said he finally came to the conclusion that the two sides are, there's no commonality anymore,
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or not enough commonality to kind of bring the country together.
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And he said, he finally came to the conclusion, one side's going to win and one side's going to lose.
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There's no common ground. Look at the mocking they've done of Charlie's horrific death.
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Charlie Kirk, as fine as a young man as you could ever have, a young man that, as a young man,
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as someone in his 20s, with no college education.
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In fact, what inspired him was getting rejected by West Point.
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So with no college education, in the modern world where you have to have not just a college education,
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you have to go to, if you don't go to an Ivy League school or an Ivy equivalent or public Ivy,
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like University of Michigan or Wisconsin or UVA, you know, you can't get ahead in the world.
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He had put together an organization, and he had done as much in his 20s.
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You have to go back to the revolutionary generation.
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And in Madison and Monroe and all these, you have to go back to what they accomplished
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And right there with the brilliance just off the top of his head,
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with the clock ticking down for me, and hey, you don't know,
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Right? You don't know some 70-year-old guy is heading to federal prison.
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I remember finishing that, and when we tossed, and the Charlie Kirk show took off at noon
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that always followed us in Real America's Voice,
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I remember getting in the vehicle with Bernie Carrick, the late and great Bernie Carrick,
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who I remember used to do every 9-11 show with Bernie and Rudy.
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We had a couple minutes before we went to a little press conference outside,
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and then they actually got in the vehicle with me and went up to the actual prison,
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actually into the prison gates itself where I was actually taken into prison.
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And I said, we don't have to worry, we got this.
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It's not just the next man up of Natalie Winters and Mike Davis and Dave Bratt
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and Ben Harnwell and all the great people that pitch in our great production team.
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I said, Charlie and Jack, they really get it at a very deep level,
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That individual was assassinated, executed, I might say, in cold blood, in front of the world,
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died with his boots on, doing what he loved best, debating,
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the exchange of ideas and convincing people to see the light.
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But Air Force Two has landed, they're not really showing video of it,
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but Air Force Two has landed to take Charlie's remains to Phoenix.
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And Kash Patel, the head of the FBI, is en route out here to where we are, Utah.
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And it's where all the biggest voices in conservative media are speaking out.
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It's where I put up exclusively all of my content 24 hours a day.
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About the media that justified the murder of Charlie Kirk.
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Why haven't they found the shooter yet, Mr. President?
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Well, I hear they're making big progress and we'll have to see what happens.
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Do you have any indication of the shooter's motivation, sir?
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What are you going to do about the Russian attack on Poland?
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And last Sunday, you sent greetings to Kazakhstan.
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Are you going to meet with the presidents of Central Asian countries?
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They're very good people and I will be doing that, yes.
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Do you believe that a killer was a trained assassin?
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And hopefully they'll have him and they'll get him.
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And what he did, what this man did, was disgraceful.
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So hopefully we'll have him and we will deal with him very appropriately.
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What's your reaction to Russian drone incursion into Poland?
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But regardless, I'm not happy about anything having to do with that whole situation.
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Mr. President, in Brazil, in Brazil, Bolsonaro was just found guilty by the Supreme Court.
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You've been very clear that you would apply sanctions.
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Are you thinking further sanctions to Brazil because of this Bolsonaro?
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He was a good, I thought he was a good president of Brazil.
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And it's very surprising that that could happen.
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That's very much like they tried to do with me, but they didn't get away with it at all.
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But I can only say this, I knew him as president of Brazil.
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How do you think Israel's attack in Doha will affect the hostage deal?
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The Pressure, how are you holding up over the last three and a half days?
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And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks.
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They've just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House,
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which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years.
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It'll be an absolute and magnificent structure.
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And it'll be one of the best anywhere in the world, actually.
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Okay, that was a gaggle at the White House a little while ago.
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The president is on Air Force One heading to New York City.
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He will attend a Yankees game tonight in the owner's box.
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President Trump, a longtime Yankees fan and very close to George Steinbrenner,
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Air Force Two has arrived in Salt Lake City, Utah.
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We're actually here in Utah across from the state capitol.
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Tomorrow, we're actually going to try to do the show in a more remote location,
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maybe even closer to the activity of what happened the other day.
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Also in flux is all the arrangements for Charlie Kirk.
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Charlie Kirk's remains are being taken by Air Force Two, I think shortly,
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His wife Erica and the team and Tyler and Andrew and the team that were on the show this morning
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and then were with Jack Posobiec at noon doing the Charlie Kirk show.
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Cash Patel, it's being reported, the Independent of London has it,
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that Cash Patel, the director of the FBI, just heard the president there right there saying,
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I think is currently in route to Utah also as the search for the assassin and potentially accomplices.
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And there's a lot of rumors flying around, a lot going on.
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Although I just saw something I think looks legit.
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Steve Crowder and his team this morning did break scoops that they said they had,
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I think from unnamed, he didn't say ATF, but unnamed federal officials
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that appeared to coincide with what the Wall Street Journal reported about the bullets,
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some of the bullets having a transgender ideology written on it, and I think Antifa.
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And supposedly he's gotten subpoenaed already, he and his team,
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I think Poso is also going to be on Laura Ingraham tonight.
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So Jack Posobiec doing the duty, the media duty.
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In the tragedy, think about it, the tragedy of 9-11, which we're commemorating,
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and we're going to try to do more of that in the next couple hours
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because we didn't have enough time actually to cover it.
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Given the horrific tragedy of Charlie Kirk, another tragedy today that, you know,
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you're just going to have to embrace because this is a global revolution
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and what this is a global movement, and President Trump's inspired it.
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In Brazil, I would argue one of our strongest partners and some of the best people in the world,
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the Bolsonaro family, and their associates around them.
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Horrible news out of Brazil, of which we warned you it was coming.
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Bolsonaro, with that kangaroo court, was found guilty today.
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We've got a clip, and then we've got Paulo Fregardo is going to join us.
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The country's Supreme Court has just voted to convict former President Jair Bolsonaro
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of planning to overturn the country's 2022 election.
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CNN's Julia Vargas-Jones is live in Los Angeles with some more on this.
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Brianna, just moments ago we heard that decision.
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The charges that he was found guilty of, a coup d'etat taking part in an armed criminal organization
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attempting to abolish Brazil's democratic order by force, damaging protective property.
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That was all during Brazil's very own January 6th.
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And all of the moments and the planning that led up to that moment on January 8th, 2023,
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prosecutors accusing Bolsonaro not just of organizing, being the head of a criminal organization,
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but also attempting, planning to assassinate the now-sitting president,
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then-president-elect of Brazil, Luiz Inácio, Lula da Silva.
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His vice president, as well as one of the Supreme Court justices,
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the very justice that this week led the trial against him and seven other of his close allies.
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Brianna, this trial has been the focus of a diplomatic spat between Brazil and the United States.
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It has cost Brazil 50% tariffs on all goods imported to the United States.
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The big question where we're looking at now is what other retaliation could come from the United States
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in coming days as this verdict has now been not quite reached,
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but as the Supreme Court has come to a majority to condemn former President Jair Bolsonaro,
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Now, it could take still some weeks until he is taken.
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He is already under House arrest and barred from running for office until 2030 on separate matters.
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That has to do with questioning the validity of the elections prior to the 2022 election.
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All of this coming to a head today, Brianna, as we heard from a justice as she cast the final vote.
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I just want to tell you from Justice Carmen Lucia, she said,
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Brazil is only worth it because we can protect democracy.
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And that's what the justices said they were doing today.
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It is quite a controversial trial, I have to say.
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President Jair Bolsonaro still has a lot of support from a big portion of the population in Brazil.
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Bolsonaro was just found guilty by the Supreme Court.
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You've been very clear that you would apply sanctions.
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Are you thinking further sanctions to Brazil because of this Bolsonaro?
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He was a good, I thought he was a good president of Brazil.
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And it's very surprising that that could happen.
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That's very much like they tried to do with me, but they didn't get away with it at all.
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But I can only say this, I knew him as president of Brazil.
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What has happened in Brazil is exactly, exactly what they tried to do here in the United States.
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They had, what, 91 indictments on President Trump.
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If you listen to him now, they are upset that they didn't move that forward and close the deal.
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Having been the election stolen and President Trump driven from Washington, D.C.
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In those years in the wilderness, when they came after President Trump, they came after everybody, D-Bank, D-Platform, all of it, from the tech companies, from the financial companies.
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They tried to destroy this movement and everybody around Trump.
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And now today in Brazil, they've come to a decision, and they're going to put a verdict on him or a sentence on him to go to have Bolsonaro go to prison and to die in prison.
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Well, Figurado joins us now, one of our great associates down in Brazil, a very close advisor to the Bolsonaro family.
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I might add the 50% tariffs the reporter talked about, I keep saying 30% of that I think is – 30% to 40% is about President Bolsonaro.
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Paula, first off, Paula, this has been tough sledding for you because you were quite close to Charlie.
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Talk to us about your relationship with Charlie Kirk and Charlie's concern and interest in Brazil.
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Well, years ago, when Brazil was still off the radar of international press and Marais' dictatorship seemed to distant a problem,
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Charlie – it was pretty much just Charlie and you already standing up in our defense.
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Charlie was one of the first to open space on his Charlie Kirk show to denounce what was going on in Brazil.
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And I can say without hesitation that without Charlie,
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Brazil would never have reached the point of securing sanctions against Alexander Marais and other judges.
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So everyone in Brazil is very grateful for him.
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He also – in 2023, when President Bolsonaro was in the United States for a couple of months,
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Charlie made a point of showing that his solidarity was not mere rhetoric.
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He organized a major event for him in the Trump Hotel here in Miami.
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So Charlie was not only an American patriot, though he was obviously one with unmatched intensity,
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but he was one of the fiercest defenders of the American first creed, which is true.
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But he was also – he saw that we had to defend the whole hemisphere and the Western civilization.
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So also because he was a devoted Christian, a man of faith with firm principles, moral courage.
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So he loved freedom, not merely as a political banner, but as an expression of the dignity God grants to have every human being.
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So he was very concerned about the situation on Brazil.
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He was one of the first to ask for tariffs and sanctions on Brazil and on Marais for the Trump administration.
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He was working behind the scenes with you guys and Eduardo and the great Vince Haley and Darren Beattie,
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Vince at the White House and Darren over at the State Department to do this.
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Also, Charlie and I talked, I think Jack too, about knowing this – the irony that he was assassinated yesterday
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because we talked about this very day about Bolsonaro, about how it was a foregone conclusion
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and what the streaming media and what the podcast media here in the United States –
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because the mainstream media will never talk about this – what we could do to then assist
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to make sure that the sentence didn't come down so that it was President Bolsonaro sent to a prison,
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which will clearly be assassinated like Charlie or die in prison.
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This is a black mark day against Brazil, which is one of the great countries in the world,
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how this all came about, and then about coup d'etat and everything.
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You challenged a stolen election, right, like President Trump did.
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You challenged a stolen election, and yet they find President Bolsonaro guilty of a coup d'etat, sir.
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Well, they did to President Bolsonaro what they wanted to do with President Trump.
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So the case against Bolsonaro is almost a copy and paste of the law for use against Trump.
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January 6th was framed as an insurrection in the United States.
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Brazil had also a revolt on January 8th, two years later, and it was – instead of insurrection,
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they called an attempted coup, and that's why they're convicting Bolsonaro.
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In Bolsonaro's case, the chargers are even weaker because he had already left office 10 days earlier
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and publicly condemned the protests as they happened, and he was actually here in Florida on vacation.
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So there's absolutely no evidence connecting him to the events of January 8th
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or to that crazy idea that was listening on your show, the clip on CNN, and the only time I watch CNN it's on your show.
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They actually probably had more viewers now on your show than they had on their actual show.
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He has no connection with any assassination attempt.
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This is absolutely post-postress and ridiculous.
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And he's being judged by a panel of just five justices.
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The rapporteur is Alexander Moraes, the guy that looks like a James Bond villain that we all know,
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sanctioned under the Global Magnitsky Act by Donald Trump, is a declared enemy of Bolsonaro.
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Then you have Justice Zanin, which is Lula's – believe it or not, that's true.
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It's Lula's personal lawyer that was appointed to the Supreme Court.
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And then you have another Justice Dino on the panel of five justices.
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Justice Dino was Lula's minister of justice, and he actually has a criminal case of slandering against President Bolsonaro.
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And he's – nevertheless, he's voting to convict Bolsonaro.
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So with three openly conflicted judges out of the four judges – out of the four votes that he got for conviction,
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one voted not guilty, but four that voted for his conviction, three are openly conflicted judges.
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There's no actual – it's a kangaroo court, like you said.
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Given the irony that Charlie is assassinated the day before this comes out, given the work – and people should understand,
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the work behind the scenes Charlie Kirk did, which he did on so many projects,
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the work behind the scenes here on the Brazil and Bolsonaro situation was Herculean.
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And so many of the things that have happened in a positive nature to assist Brazil has come through the work of Charlie.
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But you guys have focused on this for a long time.
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What would be Charlie's assessment, do you believe, of this very dark day for not just Brazil but the Bolsonaro family?
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Well, Steve, you know, just hearing the news, of course, seeing the court verdict, the ruling that's come out.
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But knowing Charlie the way I do, this is what Charlie would be doing.
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Charlie would be picking up the phone right now and be calling every single person he knew at the State Department.
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And he'd be saying, we need to do something about this.
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We need to do something about this right now because it isn't right.
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We need to put pressure, we need to tie it to tariffs, we need to do whatever we can to figure it out,
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to make sure that this doesn't happen because that's who he was.
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People don't understand how much Charlie did, as you say, Steve, behind the scenes.
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People don't understand the grand chessboard that Charlie was involved in on a regular basis
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because all they see of Charlie is the on-camera and the TikTok,
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where, of course, he's an absolute master when he's on campus,
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but they don't see the behind-the-scenes that when Charlie sees something wrong,
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Do you agree with me this is a death sentence for President Bolsonaro?
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Well, they already tried to kill Bolsonaro once.
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We're now living through an era of political assassinations,
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and so there's no question in my mind that they now want to get rid of political opponents,
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not by debate, not by conversation, but through the ultimate form of censorship.
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What do you believe that the U.S. government needs to do to—
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He says, hey, I don't think this is going to happen.
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What do you think the White House and Trump administration need to do
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to at least either buy time or to shut this down?
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The only way out is that the Brazilian Congress is set to discuss an amnesty bill,
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which would be like a congressional pardon bill that would pardon not only President Bolsonaro,
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but everyone that has been politically persecuted since 2019.
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That's in discussion right now in the Brazilian House, and then we'll go to the Senate.
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That would release President Bolsonaro and restore his political rights,
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and that's the only path of him not dying, as you correctly said.
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But isn't that—but hang on, but wouldn't you have to make a deal to basically get,
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I think, the governor of Sao Paulo, which is kind of a DeSantis figure to Bolsonaro's Trump,
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you'd have to make a deal to support him for the presidency,
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that President Bolsonaro or Eduardo were not run for the presidency?
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We think you're right about discussions happening about this, but there's no deal.
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We are very confident that we can pass the bill in the House and the Senate
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if we get the support that we have been getting from the Trump administration,
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putting sanctions on not only Morais, but also his family, who runs all his financial assets,
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and also on the other justices that convicted Bolsonaro today.
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They are in conflict with the Global Magnitsky Act because they're in material support of a sanctioned individual,
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so they have more than enough basis to sanction them.
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Sometimes, obviously, although Secretary Bassin has been great with this,
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the Treasury Department doesn't work fast enough for the speed we need things happening in Brazil.
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The United States, in the Venezuela case or in even the Panama case,
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they sanctioned hundreds of individuals, and Brazil so far only had Morais sanctioned.
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So the way to go, if you ask me, is not more tariffs.
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Tariffs did what they were supposed to do in Brazil,
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but they need more sanctions on other individuals,
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and they need to make sure the sanctions are enforced,
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because right now we have a big problem in Brazil that they sanctioned Morais,
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but the U.S. companies, the U.S. persons, are not enforcing the sanctions.
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So we have Morais using, having his bank accounts is still working,
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having U.S. companies still doing business with him.
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He still has his Google account, his Gmail, his WhatsApp, which is Meta.
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All this needs to be shut down by the Global Magnitsky Act.
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And if the United States does not enforce sanctions against the violators,
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So I think it's a concern not only regarding Brazil, but a global concern.
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So that's what we have been asking the Trump administration to do,
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although I have to say we're very thankful they have been doing more than we could ever imagine,
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thanks to these people that you mentioned and some other nice folks in the administration,
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Paolo, where do people, they want to keep up with this,
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We look forward to keeping up on top of the story.
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The great irony is that Charlie Kirk is much work.
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Charlie put so much work behind the scenes on this, very close to the Bolsonaro family.
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So, Jack, Steve Crowder puts out some information this morning,
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The Wall Street Journal backs that up a couple hours later,
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saying they talk to senior people with direct knowledge.
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Now, this is a Wall Street Journal that goes through like 20 editors.
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Direct knowledge of this matter and kind of confirm what Steve Crowder
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and his team put out, which is that the bullets they found with the assassin's gun
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had radical tranny, you know, ideology on it, transgender ideology.
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Also had Antifa, your favorites, the guys you've combated now for almost a decade.
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It looks like Crowder's team and Crowder are going to get subpoenaed by the ATF to turn over documents.
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They canceled the briefing, the local police briefing.
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What is going on in this search for the assassin, sir?
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They canceled the briefing earlier from the Utah Department of Public Safety.
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It looks like that may be in conjunction with Kash and Dan Bongino's trip now out to Utah,
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Again, there's been a lot of information coming in fast and furious online.
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People are looking through socialist groups that are known to operate in this area,
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Reports of groups that have been that were known to be active back in 2020.
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In fact, when this first happened, one of the very first things I thought of was that I remembered
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that Provo specifically had seen an interesting share of gun violence during the 2020 riots
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and the reporting that I had done on Antifa groups and particularly armed groups that were in the
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And so, you know, one place where a lot of people are starting to make their investigation again,
00:47:30.440
However, now that we hear this information from Crowder, now we hear this information
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from the Wall Street Journal, it does seem like a place that would be a very good start to start looking.
00:47:44.120
They've also got photographs of different people, a person of interest, right?
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You've got a person of interest that looks like one of these Antifa types, correct?
00:47:59.040
In fact, they're saying there's no, looks like rifle in the picture.
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This is a bolt action, high powered rifle they're talking about.
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But he went to a, it looks like the guy, that person of interest, went to a residential area for his escape.
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They still haven't told us about whether the limited access to the roof.
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He got some video of this figure in black running around.
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Cash would not be coming out here unless they thought they had something.
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And Cash, I think, feels he needs to lay hands on this investigation given the high profile of it.
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Plus the fact that they already put out a couple of tweets yesterday or on, yeah, yesterday where they said they actually had somebody in custody.
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Your thoughts of the direction of this thing and why is Cash coming out here?
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Well, Steve, I mean, the obvious, Charlie's family and MAGA is a family.
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And so this one hits close to home because this is someone who's a big part of our family.
00:49:15.180
But beyond that, I would even say that to anyone who thinks that he's making it, you know, more priority than it should, this is an incredibly, incredibly line-shifting, line-crossing moment for the United States of America.
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And are we going to be the country that continues to work out our differences through discussion, through talk, through debate?
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Or have we now moved to the era of Luigi Maggioni, MAGA or Maggioni?
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And, Steve, you and I have been mourning for that for years.
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And so one of the biggest, biggest things that can be done here, swift justice, swift retribution, so that no one gets to ever become another Maggioni.
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We've warned about this, but the left is continuing.
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You look at some of the things, the hateful things that are set on line, and a lot of this is just not trolls.
00:50:20.860
What is shocking to me is the amount of people in positions of responsibility, particularly at universities, university faculty or people on school boards and school districts.
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You know, the educated, progressive left elite, the hateful things they're saying about Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk's assassination is, to me, pretty blood-curdling, sir.
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They have infested our institutions, and they've done so for years.
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We've been talking about it here on this program.
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I wrote an entire book about it last year, and people got mad at me for the title.
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What other word could you possibly use to describe the action, celebrating the actions of what happened to Charlie yesterday?
00:51:10.720
So I wrote unhumans, because this is an unhuman reaction to what happened to Charlie, and people can go see those videos.
00:51:19.580
And by the way, his son and his daughter are going to see those videos one day.
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And so that's going to be in their mental library of videos about their father, and that's the only way that they're going to have permanent memories of their father, through videos, including that one.
00:51:40.260
You think this is something that you want to increase?
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A couple of other things we've got to clean up and discuss.
00:51:53.000
Some comments have been made that we need to make sure we set things right.
00:51:58.940
Bobby Kennedy will tell you, if you read the books Bobby Kennedy's written, if you listen to his interviews, you know, Bobby, now Secretary of Health and Human Services, and a great guy, doing a great job.
00:52:08.300
He will tell you, his days, particularly at Harvard and prep school and then after, he was not on the straight and narrow.
00:52:16.660
And one of the significant reasons not on the straight and narrow, his father assassinated, right, gunned down in cold blood.
00:52:24.200
The impact that has on a family, and particularly sons.
00:52:29.620
So Jack Posobiec being very pressing right there about Charlie's.
00:52:32.840
I believe his little boy is only one year old, just over one.
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