On this week's show, we're joined by Ben Smith and Ben Shapiro to discuss the Trump administration's new anti-Antifa policies, including the recent decision to designate Antifa a terrorist organization, and the ongoing investigation of conservative pundit Spencer Cox.
00:00:00.000I don't know. I mean, that seems like an optimistic take on reality, but I don't know.
00:00:03.920I mean, I think mostly people like to smash their enemies more than they care about the principle of free speech.
00:00:08.600Like, I think that's all. Yes, I mean, I think that in the last 10 years.
00:00:11.360And we have the president suggesting he's going to declare Antifa, whatever that really is, as a terrorist group,
00:00:17.340something he actually can't do if it's in the United States. Take this all together here.
00:00:22.060This seems like it is a a systemic, a planned crackdown and one that seems to be very, very dangerous.
00:00:31.140Right. In our political vernacular, there's a term that gets bandied about to describe repression, which is McCarthyism.
00:00:37.940And I think it's worth comparing the repression that happened in the late 1940s and the 1950s to what's happening now.
00:00:44.700In the 1950s, over the course of a decade, 10,000 people lost their jobs.
00:00:50.720Here, in the course of a week, it seems as if, according to reporting, more than a thousand people lost their jobs.
00:00:58.500It took years for the McCarthyites to bring Hollywood to heel.
00:01:05.280Here, it seems like it happened in an absolute flash.
00:01:08.600And it's because the state is at the center of the repression, not some, you know, not some drunken senator on a rage, on a rampage and some other up and coming ambitious politicians exploiting an issue.
00:01:21.780And if I think about Project 2025 and how that provided a roadmap to remaking the kind of the mechanics, the plumbing of the federal government in order to achieve all sorts of longstanding conservative goals, but also to engage in a form of culture war.
00:01:41.760And, you know, when we look at what's happened, not just to the entertainment industry, not just the threats that have been in actual punishment that's been inflicted on media, you look at what's happened to the university and the fact that the president of Texas A&M was just fired this week over a controversy where a professor was fired.
00:02:04.600You look at the fact that there is a federal monitor now installed at Columbia University and that there are all these other threats being wielded against other institutions.
00:02:13.920And you add that to the way in which the state, as this font of knowledge, has been reshaped in order to present only good news that the leader likes.
00:02:24.680And you take that together as an aggregate impression of where we're at in merely the first couple months of this administration.
00:02:32.720And you think about the years ahead of us and you compare that to what happened during the McCarthy era, you'd say we've we've survived, you know, a decade of McCarthyism in a very, very short period of time.
00:02:46.740Steve Bannon called talked about you calling to tone down the rhetoric, saying that the following saying Spencer Cox is a national embarrassment in a time where we need action.
00:03:02.080He tells us to sing Kumbaya and hold hands with Antifa.
00:03:07.420This is not a time for trial, trial case, excuse me, pontificating.
00:03:12.460This is a time to declare Antifa a domestic terrorist organization and have the FBI go kick down some doors.
00:03:55.540And we have from Ken Klippenstein this scoop from the inside the FBI about immediately designating these transgender militias, violent, violent extremists, nihilistic, violent extremists, NVEs to get into it quickly.
00:04:17.480And this is the culmination of a lot of things.
00:04:22.940And Cox is up to his neck in this and should be and must be.
00:04:26.400And trust me, Cox, we are driving this that you and your wife are part of being investigated because what you have done in Utah and what you have done, just like Abbott, you gutless Republicans are not going to be able to sit there and push these programs.
00:04:39.940And then, oh, let's just tone it down.
00:05:48.780And I don't think we've been hard enough.
00:05:51.360And CBS, the Ellison should, his son just bought it.
00:05:56.980Instead of trying to go buy CNN and all this, because I do think, because we're antitrust guys, it's a little too much consolidation of power.
00:06:23.480And McCarthy is a book that you must read.
00:06:26.780And Ann Coulter says it's the second most important book in back of the Bible.
00:06:31.040That is Blacklisted by History by M. Stanton Evans, one of Buckley's, I think, the editor of the National Review for decades and decades and decades.
00:06:39.620Blacklisted by History about the true story of McCarthy.
00:06:43.440And couple that with getting Andrew Breitbart's righteous indignation, which goes through the whole, not just Andrew's journey, but the whole thing about the Frankfurt School, Herbert Marcuse, the Marxism.
00:08:07.220He had been a tail gunner for the Marine, and he did have a drinking problem later.
00:08:10.860But at this time, McCarthy stood up for six hours in the United States Senate, and he took on the most prominent person in the country and the biggest globalist.
00:08:21.960And it hurts me as a Virginian to say this, because he is revered, and I revered him.
00:08:25.880You were raised, right, by people like Robert E. Lee and General Marshall, okay?
00:08:39.220Marshall is because he's the architect of victory.
00:08:43.620And he eviscerates this guy for six hours, and he gets all about who lost China.
00:08:50.8201949, we essentially turned the country over to Mao and these bandits that didn't lift a finger to fight the Japanese.
00:08:58.660In fact, they fought the nationalists the entire time, and because of Edgar Snow and some neo-Marxists that went over there and wrote these glowing biographies about these agrarian populists, right?
00:09:18.700We turned the country over to them in 1949.
00:09:21.3601989, the Chinese Communist Party, they know this because in 1989, what, 50 years later, when they collapsed again because the Chinese people, Lao Beijing, had a belly full of it again, guess who bailed them out?
00:09:33.120Bush sent Skrokoff over, and we gave, we, the United States government, you, with all the blood that we had given in the Pacific, everything of all those islands, of Tarawa and Peleliu and Saipan and all of it, and all the dead and the air raids over Japan, all the naval vessels left from Pearl Harbor all the way through, Coral Sea added all up.
00:09:59.220We gave China, which was the, the Imperial Japan, the whole fight was about China, and we gave it to the communists.
00:10:08.040We, your government, gave it to the communists, and McCarthy called them out.
00:10:13.140For six hours, he went through chapter and verse, why we didn't go to Berlin, why he held up Montgomery and Patton from going to Berlin when we're like 50 miles away.
00:10:31.860The Russian people were the great allies.
00:10:33.560They gave him their blood to defeat the Wehrmacht.
00:10:35.740Why, but why did we keep arming Stalin after 1943, when it was obvious he was going to crush him?
00:10:43.160The State Department and FDR's administration were rife, not just with communists.
00:10:48.000I'm talking KGB informants, KGB officers, and people like I.F. Stone and Alger Hiss that lied and covered up by the same people on Morning Joe today.
00:11:01.280The exact same people lied to the American people.
00:11:04.480And McCarthy stood up in the Senate and he called out Marshall.
00:11:07.160He had the guts and the balls to take on a guy that was essentially a god in the United States.
00:11:13.460If you had a secular god, it was General Marshall.
00:11:16.380And he took him on and he field-stripped him.
00:11:21.660He field-stripped him of how could we spend all this money and all this blood and win the greatest tragedy in world history.
00:11:31.240How can we be the victors and you have the Russians have taken Germany, they've taken the Iron Curtain, you've got all Eastern Europe are captive nations, and now we just toss the keys to another great ally, the Chinese people, Lao Baixing.
00:11:46.960We toss the keys to the communists who, by the way, went about murdering them, as of course they can, and then invading Korea, right?
00:11:53.640There we had to defend our great allies in South Korea or in the Korea Peninsula at that time.
00:11:58.600He took him on and he field-stripped him.
00:13:03.180The main event is he took down the globalist who, who knows what side he's working on.
00:13:10.020And if you read all the biographies, and I've read them all in McCarthy, I think there's nine or ten big ones.
00:13:14.280They give a little tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny piece of him taking down Marshall.
00:13:22.000He took him down and the guy didn't even defend himself because there was no defense of it.
00:13:27.920You've been betrayed by this government for decade after decade after decade.
00:13:35.320These globalists and these Marxists that have been in business with these global Marxists for decades and decades and decades.
00:13:43.980You're seeing the manifestation of it now.
00:13:46.280And these public schools, the public schools and private schools ought to be designated as terrorist organizations to a way they are molding these children.
00:13:56.280Into unhappy, unfulfilled, and oftentimes murderous, to themselves, the suicide race through the roof, depressed, angry, lashing out.
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00:16:59.980Tell me about this moment we're in, and particularly one of the reasons I saw up on Getter, you had a great rant about Utah, a state you love, and what's happened there under Cox.
00:17:10.720So give me your thoughts on everything I just talked about.
00:17:13.440Well, first of all, everything you just talked about is on the money, man.
00:17:17.620No wonder you take flack, because you are on the target.
00:17:20.580My dad, by the way, you mentioned World War II and Saipan and Iwo Jima.
00:17:24.100My dad fought at Okinawa, which was probably minute by minute, inch by inch, the worst battle, the bloodiest battle in the history of warfare, perhaps.
00:17:32.260Probably worse than the Battle of Bulge, worse than Normandy.
00:17:36.240My dad was behind enemy lines, a radio operator, and won all kinds of medals, and I always, he was my hero.
00:17:44.200I always loved my dad, and I saw the pictures of war, and I learned how horrible it really is.
00:17:49.720But listen, at Columbia University, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:17:55.300What would your dad, those guys at Okinawa, those guys at Saipan, those guys in the 8th Air Force over Germany, bombing the Nazis back into the Stone Age,
00:18:03.660those guys that hit the beaches of Normandy and were Patton's Third Army and got held up 50 miles from Berlin because they had to let the communists take it,
00:18:21.580He couldn't believe, I'm sure he would say, that he fought for this nation, for capitalism, for freedom,
00:18:27.120and we've got what we had under Obama, and we've got what we had under Biden.
00:18:31.640The censorship and the silencing and the banning and the declaring of conservatives as domestic terrorists,
00:18:37.660even though you and I both know, Steve, that no conservative has any interest in ever killing, murdering, assassinating someone we disagree with.
00:18:45.880It's not both sides. It's the biggest lie ever told.
00:18:48.700I was honored, Steve, to help lead the vigil for Charlie Kirk on Thursday night in Las Vegas.
00:18:54.660We had a prayer vigil, and hundreds of people showed up, all of them crying and broken and lonely and feeling just abandoned,
00:19:03.220and I gave them a pep talk, and I said then on Thursday night, stop with the kumbaya, stop with the unity.
00:19:45.500I got it, but it's not just about elections.
00:19:47.560I mean, Abbott in Texas and Cox, and Cox won re-election.
00:19:50.620It's what you do with the power when you have it.
00:19:53.600Right now, we've just spent decades being tapped along by these rhino Republicans that just want to go along to get along and basically surrender after we win.
00:20:03.240That is why President Trump is one of the greatest leaders this country has ever had, and we have to back him up because there's people around him that want to slow it down too.
00:20:11.620And that's why the Charlie Kirk situation is so outrageous, and their behavior, the less behavior to the memory of Charlie Kirk and to his family and his children are so outrageous that this is why you can't compromise with these people, Wayne.
00:20:31.020I went to, on the Bronx borderline, went to one of the most dangerous inner city high schools, Steve, in the United States of America where people walked around with guns and knives.
00:20:39.560And I was a little, skinny, pale Jewish kid with braces and glasses and acne.
00:20:45.980And I got beat up every day and chased home from school, and they stole my lunch money, and they stole my lunch.
00:20:51.560And every day, I tried to sing Kumbaya and Unify, and it never worked.
00:20:57.100The more you sang Kumbaya and got on your knees, the more they beat you up, taunted you, and laughed at you, until finally I learned how to fight, and I learned how to lift weights, and I learned how to street fight one summer.
00:21:08.400Came back from that summer, a different person, and the first three guys that picked on me, bullies, I beat the crap out of them, and knocked two of them out, and knocked their teeth out.
00:21:18.500And guess what happened after that, Steve?
00:21:20.460Nobody ever bullied me again, and I became friends with the bullies.
00:21:25.140They wanted to be my buddy, and I became the star of the school, and got elected vice president of my class, and made three sports teams.
00:21:31.720Everything changed when I got the attitude and the understanding that you can never bow to your enemies, and you can never kiss their, you know what, you can never kiss their ring, you can never get on your knees, you have to earn their respect and fight them.
00:21:47.680And when you fight them and you win, they suddenly become your buddy.
00:21:53.320And from that point on, my life changed.
00:21:55.000I never looked back, never got to fight the rest of my life.
00:21:57.980Nobody ever tried me the rest of my life.
00:21:59.680But that's the lesson I learned on the mean streets of New York, and that's why I have the same kind of attitude as Donald J. Trump.
00:22:05.320Because in New York, when you walk those streets, if you don't have confidence, and you don't have a swagger, and you're not willing to fight, you don't meet their eye.
00:22:12.720When they look at you, if you don't eye them back, you're going to get your ass kicked, or whipped, or much worse, you're going to die.
00:23:53.500They're the grandkids of the people that cheered in my classroom because a great conservative patriot hero they thought was assassinated, and they loved it.
00:24:21.760And to me, he should be part of this investigation for how he's forced SEL, social emotional learning, and other of these woke ideologies into the school system.
00:24:32.060And remember, he had the Zoom call headed in Utah, which got planned nationwide.
00:24:37.200He wanted to talk about his pronouns and how it was fine to be transgender, and they were there to be nurturing and loving, sir.
00:24:44.980It's a different kind of republicanism in Utah.
00:25:05.160But even though Utah's a very red republican state, it's not my kind of republican.
00:25:10.980It's more like in the old days when I was a kid growing up, the Javits Rockefeller Republican.
00:25:16.040Now it's the Mitt Romney type of republican.
00:25:18.940Spencer Cox is a Mitt Romney rhino republican.
00:25:22.240And even though they're very fiscally conservative, the state has no problems with budget, the state is good with taxes, the state is good with spending, deficits, great on all those things.
00:25:33.340Fiscally conservative, but socially liberal and woke.
00:25:36.620And they've allowed this infiltration in their state of communists and these transgender and queer organizations.
00:25:44.040And even worse than that, in my opinion, is they're very pro-illegal immigration because the Mormon church has NGOs that make billions of dollars, just like the Catholic church, bringing illegals in.
00:25:55.360That's their business. That's how they make money, Steve.
00:25:58.360The church is happy if you add another 10,000 people this year or 10,000 this week because that's 10,000 new people who put money in the collection plate.
00:26:07.100But guess who pays for it when they're all on welfare and food stamps and go to public school at 20,000 a year each and they all have five kids and they hate America?
00:26:22.240All these religions love bringing in illegal aliens because they get more money in the collection plate and they don't have to pay for it because the taxpayer pays the welfare, the food stamps, and all the money required to bring them in.
00:26:35.860So the Mormon church, just like the Catholic church, just like Jewish organizations, they get paid by the government billions for bringing illegals in.
00:26:44.060Then they convert them to their church or their temple or whatever it may be and it's even more money for them.
00:26:49.060And if you have 12 kids, they're happy because those 12 kids will grow up Mormon or Catholic or Jewish and put money in the collection plate.
00:27:12.960Salt Lake City has become liberal, woke, filled with homeless people, filled with drugs, filled with murder.
00:27:20.480Salt Lake is like every other city in America run by Democrats because it is run by a Democrat mayor, by the way.
00:27:27.160Salt Lake is like Chicago or New York, except it's a little better.
00:27:30.780It's the Mormon conservative version of Chicago or New York.
00:27:34.000But they let this infiltration happen.
00:27:36.840And now you have, what is it, transgender, queer, armed, Marxist resistance groups in Utah that may have, it looks like, coordinated on the death of our great Charlie Kirk.
00:27:53.920I'm going to hold you through the break.
00:27:54.960Wayne Allen Root is with us on a Friday morning.
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00:29:27.720I want to do, this is why I tell you guys to go to Getter, where I put all my stuff up, because I love Getter, because I know how to use it.
00:29:34.000It's so simple, and it'll be simple for you, too.
00:30:21.880The buried lead in this, they talk about halfway through the story that Utah Valley University had their first day of school, I guess, yesterday.
00:30:32.940They took the week off and let the university get more organized about this, and so they came back yesterday.
00:30:39.260And so when he cut to the story in the middle of it and talked about the kids coming back the first day, they had what we call, as we teach you here, the buried lead.
00:30:47.080And the buried lead is really, I think, the takeaway from the story.
00:30:51.140And they're talking about kids coming back the first day.
00:30:53.660And I'm quoting from the story at Utah Valley University, quote, care stations offering stuffed animals, candy, and connections to counseling dotted the campus, end quote.
00:31:07.420And I said, this is the type of infantilism that destroyed the shooter, his furry boyfriend, as men, and led to Charlie's murder.
00:31:16.520So Wayne Allen Root, before I let you go, you come back to campus and they're given grown men and women, because, hey, I realize they're 18 and 19 years old, but you're a man or a woman by then.
00:31:29.680And this nation in the West, out West, were built by 18 and 19 year olds.
00:31:35.120You think the women that had kids back in those days, the average age, I think, of the armed forces is like 22 years old.
00:31:41.440You look at those kids that hit the beach in Saipan and Terawa and Peleliu and Normandy.
00:31:45.660You're talking 17, 18, 19 year old kids.
00:31:48.320You have grown ass men and you're given a stuffed animal to.
00:31:51.900It's the system that's destroying them.
00:31:54.440It's the system that's destroying them.
00:31:57.420Anybody at that university that came up with that idea to give them stuffed animals and candy should be fired immediately.
00:32:05.500This is what we have to hit the blowtorch on.
00:32:07.880This is destroying our nation, a nation built by 17 and 18 year olds that sacrificed in all of our wars, not just that in the development of this country.
00:32:19.460This is what is destroying the country and whoever did it at Utah Valley University understand when Charlie Kirk was murdered in cold blood.
00:32:29.720It's that mentality that got us there.
00:32:32.980Well, and how about the opening salvo of that very story that you just reported?
00:32:38.160Just how about the fact that a guy is willing to murder Charlie Kirk, a wonderful, wonderful human being, a patriot and a man of faith in God and a great Christian and a father, two beautiful little children, a husband.
00:32:51.640And he's willing to destroy his life and blow out his carotid artery, let him bleed to death in front of us.
00:32:57.840But he contacts the police to say, I'll turn myself in if you don't hurt me.
00:33:04.180Maybe he should have thought about Charlie being peaceful before he destroyed his life and his children's life where they'll never see him again.
00:33:10.920And it extends, Steve, beyond the college campus to the rest of these liberals' lousy lives.