Bannon's War Room - August 14, 2026


Episode 5589： Rising Up Against Accelerationist AI

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Scott Besson Trump Steve Paul Renner Neil McCabe Stephen K. Bann Theodore Roosevelt Hugo Lowell Jay Collins Luddites Philip Patrick Jamie Dimon Jensen Wong Stephen K. Vann Stephen K. Mann Richard Blumenthal BioGensen Huang Byron Donalds USS George Washington Scott Bessett and 17 more
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00:00:44 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:00:53 It's Friday, 14 August in the year of our Lord, 2026.
00:00:56 We're going to get to our traditional cold open and all that, hopefully in the next block.
00:01:02 We have Neil McCabe at the White House.
00:01:03 We're going to be addressing a number of issues.
00:01:05 But number one, we're going to make sure that you're fully apprised of the situation in the North Arabian Sea with the USS Lincoln, what's going on there on the carrier battle group, what's going on with its relief by another carrier coming from the – really on patrol in the Western Pacific.
00:01:25 We'll get to all that. Also, Scott Besson, a lot of stories they have about how Secretary of Treasury Scott Besson is going to lead the effort.
00:01:34 President Trump is designating him to lead the effort on, wait for it, economic warfare against the Persians.
00:01:41 Gosh, we've never heard that before. OK, we're going to get to all that momentarily.
00:01:44 I want to, though, as we continue to talk here in the war room and apprise the war room posse of all the great works being done out in the hinterland on data centers and all this, that the biggest fight by far behind the scenes in Washington, D.C. is about artificial intelligence, the direction of it, the potential regulatory apparatus, all of it.
00:02:06 even the public offerings just announced. I think that Anthropic, I saw an analyst report last night
00:02:12 that Anthropic may go public at a two to three trillion dollar valuation. So the SEC and people
00:02:19 will be reviewing those documents shortly. I want to bring in Hugo Lowell from Wired Magazine has
00:02:25 really an amazing piece about the evolution of this policy, something we've been fighting
00:02:29 nonstop. Hugo, one of the reasons I respect and admire you so much, you're in the top two or three
00:02:35 hardest working journalist i know so when i read a hugo lowell story i know it's been uh well
00:02:43 reported and uh and really dug into this evolution because this audience is very engaged in this
00:02:49 whole you know kind of beginning of regulatory apparatus eos we led the effort to kill the
00:02:55 insertion uh for the uh preemption situation with the brologarchs david saxon team in the big
00:03:03 beautiful bill and then killed it in the NDAA last year and have been very on top of what's
00:03:08 happening on these EOs. Now, you've got reporting that says things I think are kind of shifting
00:03:14 the way we think they have to shift. The White House is getting much more serious about looking
00:03:18 at because of the containment issues, the accelerating and accelerating rate, what's
00:03:24 happening at the Frontier Labs. Walk us through what your reporting says is happening right now
00:03:28 with this entire beginning of either executive orders or some sort of framework of regulatory
00:03:35 apparatus around the launch of these AI models. Yeah, that's right, Steve. So as you recall,
00:03:42 earlier this month, the White House released its AI oversight framework. And it's been very
00:03:48 secretive about it. And they really haven't released really what the different parameters
00:03:53 But one thing we do know is they are very interested in covering what we call the frontier models, the most powerful models that have the capabilities to, in theory, hack the Pentagon, hack Goldman Sachs, close out open trades, that sort of thing.
00:04:09 Up until now and currently, the framework only covers what we call closed models, the models that are being put out there by the likes of Anthropic and OpenAI.
00:04:19 And their models are proprietary, right?
00:04:22 It's run by Anthropic and OpenAI on their systems, on their servers.
00:04:26 And really, in this case, you just have users submitting queries to the models, and then
00:04:30 the information travels back to Anthropic and Anthropic, so it's out an answer.
00:04:35 But because of the rapid rise of Chinese open source models, because of the rapid development
00:04:42 of this technology, and you kind of referenced it there in your open, about how the most
00:04:48 powerful models are breaking out of their testing sandboxes and are colluding with other models,
00:04:54 the White House, I think, has realized that it is only a matter of time before these open models
00:04:59 catch up to the frontier capabilities of these closed models. And a White House official tells
00:05:05 me that as soon as that happens, open models will be incorporated into part of the AI framework,
00:05:11 and they will be subject to these same constraints, the same sort of... There hasn't
00:05:16 the correct regulation, but we're really getting towards regulation now of these AI models. That
00:05:23 is going to basically involve submitting these models to the government for approval and testing
00:05:28 before they are released to the public. It's going to be a roughly 30-day period where Casey at the
00:05:34 Commerce Department, the Center of AI Safety, will review these models and make sure that bad actors
00:05:39 cannot take these and try and hack critical systems and infrastructure.
00:05:46 So let's go. I want to go back in time in a second. But what you just said right there is this because one of the big issues we've had is this voluntary versus mandatory and is an actual approval?
00:06:00 Because the way this was first talked about and then the White House came out and said, hey, we're actually not going to release the executive order itself because this issue of is this mandatory or is it still voluntary?
00:06:14 and number two is there actually going to be an approval because that that was left kind of very
00:06:19 amorphous they're going to be reviewed but not actually use the word approved is is this now
00:06:25 going to be mandatory and is actually going to be approval process because that's a massive shift
00:06:31 if that if your reporting shows that from sources inside the white house sir that is a massive shift
00:06:37 so i will say at the moment a white house official was pretty insistent to us that it's still
00:06:43 voluntary, right? They're really concerned that they don't want to spook anyone in the AI sector.
00:06:48 You know, President Trump has gone out there on the racket and said, you know, his number one
00:06:52 priority is to make sure we do not stifle development. And there is a lot of concern
00:06:58 that the moment you start imposing regulatory hurdles on the sector, that AI companies will
00:07:04 feel like they're getting throttled and will dial back their research and development. But it is
00:07:10 becoming clear based on conversations I've had with people across the administration that there
00:07:16 is the sense that there will have to be some sort of formal approach with these AI companies.
00:07:23 And we kind of teased it a little bit in the story because it's not concrete yet and it's still
00:07:28 getting worked out the degree to which there might be cooperation between the government and the top
00:07:33 AI labs. But people at Comas, people at Treasury and people in the White House seem to think that
00:07:40 in very short order, the arrangement between the federal government and the AI labs will be much
00:07:48 more robust, and that there might even be some sort of formal partner arrangement. Because at
00:07:54 the moment, to your point, Steve, it is incumbent on individual AI labs to proactively send their
00:08:02 models that they think are powerful to the government. And there's not a structural
00:08:08 framework in place where the most pathway models have to be sent to the government and my sources
00:08:13 inside across the administration think that may soon change yeah i just want to make sure the
00:08:19 audience understands the bid in the ask here is you have a voluntary system now that gets reviewed
00:08:25 to a mandatory that it gets approved that is what people in thinking the framing of this they should
00:08:31 thing let me go back in time here's what i think concerns us is the the white house the tech team
00:08:41 at david sexy are always in reaction to events in the field this all became a big issue because of
00:08:47 the mythos you know preview when when during the semaphore conference during the week of the imf
00:08:53 and the world bank when money center banks particularly jamie diamond sat down and i think
00:08:59 it was a joint meeting with the head of the federal reserve and scott besson but the treasury
00:09:02 department took the lead and they talked about as you mentioned in your first comments that hey
00:09:08 these models could evaporate a money center bank of like all the records of bond holders
00:09:15 and stockholders and accounts and credit cards in 90 seconds and we have no ability to thwart that
00:09:22 then that was in may i think the first week of may then you cut to uh late june july uh you know
00:09:30 in that 30-day period you had this issue of containment of which the uh the companies came
00:09:37 forward to the white house maybe a week or 10 days two weeks after they realized they had the
00:09:43 containment issue it was it was breaking out in kind of a voluntary basis but the white house
00:09:48 was because the companies didn't come forward.
00:09:52 They didn't know about it.
00:09:52 Once you know about it,
00:09:53 and the more you drill down on this breakout,
00:09:56 this containment breakout,
00:09:58 the more serious it gets.
00:09:59 And I argue that if you take the financial issue
00:10:03 and you couple it with the containment issue
00:10:05 and the breakout,
00:10:06 this is no longer a commercial problem.
00:10:09 This is a national security problem.
00:10:11 And you can't have any intermediary
00:10:13 coming between what's actually happening at the labs
00:10:16 and what the government knows.
00:10:18 Now, I don't think that's going to thwart development, but I'm just talking in a communication.
00:10:22 Is that the correct arc of this, right?
00:10:24 And my point is the problems get more and more serious, and we're always dealing in a reactionary mode.
00:10:31 And this is something you have to get ahead of the problem, or the problem is going to overwhelm you, sir.
00:10:38 Yeah, I think you make two good points.
00:10:40 Number one, on the messaging from the AI labs to the federal government, I'd say it was actually worse than that, right?
00:10:48 the timeline was longer. If you think back to when the rogue AI, the misbehaving AI models
00:10:55 were breaking out of their testing sandboxes, that was May, June. I mean, we really only heard
00:11:02 about the, we only really heard like official statements from these open AI, from the likes of
00:11:08 open AI, I think in July. And we are only really hearing now in the last week or so that it wasn't
00:11:16 just one model, it was several models were colluding on a secret message board on how to
00:11:22 break out of their testing gymnasium and hack another company by accessing the internet.
00:11:31 And then not only did that happen after OpenAI staff shut that down, two days later, they
00:11:38 escaped again using the same method undetected. And so there is some latency here. I mean,
00:11:43 this is all happening in May or June. We're now midway through August. So you're looking really
00:11:48 at a week's timeline gap. That's the first point. The second point, I think, is the capabilities
00:11:57 of these models are developing at such a rapid rate that if we're taking 30 days to review these
00:12:05 models, I mean, you're basically already coming into the next class of models. I mean, if you
00:12:10 think about what we were doing 30 days ago 60 days ago 60 days ago the government was trying
00:12:14 to grapple with anthropic mythos class models having jailbreaks that users could bypass the
00:12:21 safety guardrails and use them for prohibited activities like that was only really 60 days ago
00:12:26 and now i mean to the government's credit we have now like they've responded much more quickly in
00:12:31 the month since but you are right when you say the administration is always going to be playing
00:12:37 catch up because even if you harden your systems now with the latest AI model and you think,
00:12:42 okay, that's fine, the top models right now cannot break into the Pentagon, a month from now,
00:12:48 there's going to be a new model potentially with new capabilities. And then you have to repeat that
00:12:52 process all the time. So there is a massive reactionary latency here that I think people
00:12:57 don't quite realize. And I want to hold you through the break because I want to drill down
00:13:06 on a potential atomic energy commission type framework also when we talk open models the
00:13:11 entire ecosystem of uh the chinese communist party the entire ecosystem is literally financed
00:13:19 produced uh and nurtured by the united states of america the big tech bros and actually even
00:13:27 the certain venture capital firms this whole false narrative that when they when they refer
00:13:34 to war room or or people on our side of this as decelerationist i would actually say we're the
00:13:40 we're the we're the rationalists of this so let me look if i can just hold you through the the
00:13:44 break i want to come back and deal with these issues of like the beginning of a regulatory
00:13:48 apparatus because we still have this whole issue of preemption and you've got states and we're
00:13:53 going to have one of the guys running for governor and the republican primary is going to join us
00:13:56 later but a huge issue in the state of florida and governor de santis has made it front and center
00:14:02 This whole situation about the control of AI, if the federal government's not going to do it, he's going to step in in the state of Florida.
00:14:09 Also, this issue with data centers.
00:14:11 Anyway, Hugo Lowell, great piece in Wired.
00:14:16 We want everybody to push it out and be a force multiplier.
00:14:19 Great reporting on what's going on at the White House to actually get their arms around the frontier labs and the explosion of, I don't know, regenerative AI when the machine itself, when the computer itself.
00:14:32 is actually improving itself and cutting out any kind of human oversight or control.
00:14:39 We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:14:41 We're going to return in the War Room in just a moment.
00:14:44 After we finish with Hugo, we're going to go live to the White House for an update
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00:16:18 Hugo Lowell from Wired joins us.
00:16:21 Hugo, so I want to take this, number one, about, you know, oh, anybody opposes data centers or puts any type of control at all or oversight at all on these frontier labs.
00:16:33 It's a decelerationist or a Luddite.
00:16:35 If you see Mountainhead, and I advise everybody to watch the film Mountainhead, I don't think it's a dark comedy at all.
00:16:41 I think it's actually quite serious. But you see the tension that arises between accelerationist and decelerationist.
00:16:47 One of the things we're called all the time, the Luddites, the new the modern Luddites or decelerationist,
00:16:53 is that we're supporting the Chinese Communist Party, the entire ecosystem.
00:16:57 Yet we have a system where we're selling them advanced chips or we're looking the other way,
00:17:01 why they get advanced NVIDIA chips through black market in Thailand or or Singapore.
00:17:08 poor, we're still training 300,000 young Chinese engineers in our best universities and best
00:17:14 engineering schools. We've got in these labs, we have Chinese nationals. We're providing equity, 0.98
00:17:19 debt. The entire ecosystem is based on the U.S. Is there any conversation that you've heard
00:17:25 that we're going to start to crack down? Because the one way to get this, to really get some
00:17:30 room to breathe on this, right, and actually work with these frontier labs is to make sure that 0.90
00:17:36 we're not in an arms race with the Chinese Communist Party when we don't have to be? 0.73
00:17:40 Does any of your reporting give you any inkling at all that that's going to happen?
00:17:46 I think it's really complicated, right?
00:17:48 I mean, the White House, as you know, Steve, is absolutely framing this as we are in an
00:17:53 arms race with China.
00:17:53 The Commerce Department is seeing that way.
00:17:57 And Commerce is the agency that has control and oversight of export restrictions.
00:18:02 And I think, you know, Lutnik has been trying to bridge both sides of the argument here.
00:18:09 And I think he's been he's been trying kind of a bit of a heroic effort because it is it is very, very difficult.
00:18:14 You know, on the one hand, they don't want to slap controls on Chinese open models because open models just because those open models are being distilled and trained on U.S.
00:18:27 models because they don't want a situation where American companies are like, well, we're just going
00:18:32 to use Chinese models because they're cheaper. But at the same time, you have this issue with
00:18:36 NVIDIA and the NVIDIA chips, which basically anchor the entire AI sector. Every top AI model
00:18:44 right now is being trained on NVIDIA chips and NVIDIA compute power. So that is the fundamental
00:18:52 part of AI that the U.S. is letting leak out through the side of the system.
00:18:59 OK, but hold it, full stop, full stop, full stop.
00:19:02 The NVIDIA, Jensen Wong, in his comments, I would say, is an agent of influence for
00:19:07 the Chinese Communist Party.
00:19:08 He has on many occasions said it doesn't matter which nation wins this race.
00:19:14 It doesn't matter if these are Chinese companies that win it.
00:19:17 And this is one that he's the biggest proponent of selling chips.
00:19:20 And I understand in the economic industrial logic of his company, that's fine.
00:19:27 But that's not in the national security interests of the United States, is it?
00:19:30 As you understand the details of this argument, sir?
00:19:36 Yeah, look, NVIDIA wants to sell as many chips as possible to as many top AI labs as possible.
00:19:42 They want to have a monopoly on the industry.
00:19:44 And right now they do.
00:19:46 So they want to protect that.
00:19:46 And that makes absolute economic sense to me if I was running BioGensen Huang and if
00:19:51 I was running NVIDIA.
00:19:52 But I think you're right in that this is now becoming a national security issue in a very,
00:19:57 very meaningful way.
00:19:58 Because if Chinese AI labs are training their models on the same chips that we're trying
00:20:05 to train our models on in the US, by the way, there is a limited supply of chips here. 0.78
00:20:11 So it is like a bit of a zero-sum game where you have one piece of the cookie and China 0.51
00:20:15 is effectively taking a piece of the cookie away from the U.S. 0.92
00:20:18 And so I think there is a sense of we should do more
00:20:23 and we should be more aggressive in enforcing export controls
00:20:26 of NVIDIA chips and preventing that sort of leakage.
00:20:30 But I think in practice it is obviously very difficult
00:20:33 because China and other countries have been invading U.S. sanctions
00:20:37 for a long time, and they're very good at doing it.
00:20:41 We just had Peter at Navarro, and they've got this whole thing
00:20:44 about tariff arbitrage. If we if we want to, if we have the will, we're very good at stopping that.
00:20:51 As Navarro said, you have to have the will to do it. But I'll deal with that separately. It's kind
00:20:57 of my editorial observations. I want to go to the preemption, all the fights. It seems to me,
00:21:04 and I keep telling people, if you watch the movie Oppenheimer, it's not really about
00:21:09 uh the nuclear era back then it's really a discussion of the artificial intelligence era
00:21:16 and that the beginning and remember he's held back or constrained or uh reviewed and in fact
00:21:22 kind of kicked out by the atomic energy commission and that you need and we're the we're the deconstruct
00:21:27 the administrative state and take on the deep state but it doesn't mean we're anarchists you
00:21:31 do need some sort of regular regulatory apparatus about complex things this is the type of thing
00:21:38 unless you want states with governors like Ron DeSantis, who's not going to back down on this,
00:21:43 that if you want a national kind of set of standards, I think you have to evolve into
00:21:48 some sort of like Atomic Energy Commission that can have some sort of oversight. Do you see
00:21:53 anything, Hugo, on the Hill or at the White House? Do you see anything that would lead you
00:21:59 to believe that that is even a possibility on the horizon, sir? Again, I think it's complicated and
00:22:07 we're going to have to, candidly, we're going to have to wait and see. I think there are several
00:22:11 different ideas getting kicked around at different levels. I think, you know, for instance, and this
00:22:17 is not specifically preemption, but I think gives you an idea of where like the different discussions
00:22:22 are. You know, as you know, Steve, you know, at Treasury, you know, Besson has been mulling over
00:22:29 how to have a framework that works cross borders, right, at the international level. And certainly,
00:22:35 I expect that to be a focus of the Xi summit later this year.
00:22:41 And then at kind of the national level, I think there is a real reluctance on the part
00:22:46 of the administration to work with individual states because, you know, they think that
00:22:51 in themselves would be a big regulatory hurdle.
00:22:53 They're like, they think, oh, you know, will an AI company be throttled if they have to
00:22:59 work through different frameworks in, let's say, Florida and California and in the Midwest and
00:23:06 then also have to abide by federal guidelines. I think the government could probably get around
00:23:11 some of these issues if they had a robust set of national standards. And I think part of the reason
00:23:17 why there's a lot of confusion about this is because the White House has not released its AI
00:23:21 framework. And I think they're afraid of releasing it a little bit maybe because they don't want to
00:23:27 seem like they put a document out and people go, oh, this is not enough, or it goes too far,
00:23:31 and they get hammered about it. But we're rapidly getting to the point now where people kind of
00:23:36 understand what the framework is trying to do. And I think people would also be sympathetic to
00:23:40 the fact that if they have to bolt on additional measures down the line to respond to the growing
00:23:44 technology, people would be sympathetic to that. So I think it's a difficult conversation. I don't
00:23:50 think there is a consensus by any means on what should happen across the different agencies in
00:23:57 the White House. And there's not only the national what to do on the national scale, but on the
00:24:01 international scale. And I think that kind of complicates things further. So all to say, I think
00:24:06 it's still pretty fluid. And maybe at the end of the month, there might be more clarity when the
00:24:11 AI framework itself becomes more fleshed out. As we get into recursive, where the actual machines
00:24:18 are artificial intelligence is making artificial intelligence and driving it forward without even
00:24:25 human involvement. It's just it beggars belief of how anyone expects to have a a a serious art of
00:24:35 executive order that deals with these different labs and you don't release it. It's on double
00:24:40 secret probation. Right. A handful of the frontier labs can see it, but the American people can't.
00:24:45 That's not going to wash. That may be the thinking, but that will not wash. It will not wash.
00:24:50 People are going to want to understand this is this is the biggest single issue of our era right
00:24:55 now people are going to want to understand uh the audience is going to want to understand people
00:24:59 figure hey i'm smart enough i want to see exactly what this framing is and how it's going to be
00:25:04 done you can't keep it secret it's it's it shouldn't be secret it should it should be out
00:25:07 it should be discussed and it should be debated if you notice this is why they tried to slide in
00:25:12 the broligarchs their language into the must the must pass big beautiful bill which is essentially
00:25:17 must pass and the ndaa in the middle of the night they don't want to debate because they realize
00:25:22 when they this has to be debated with the facts, they people go, well, hang on for a second.
00:25:27 Maybe we need some common sense here. Anyway, Hugo, the reporting's amazing. I want everybody
00:25:33 to get it wired. What is your social media? Where can they keep up with you on the on the coordinates
00:25:37 on your coordinates? Because I know you're going to be breaking a lot of stories in this area.
00:25:42 I'm still on Twitter at Hugo Lowe and it'd be great to get the war room,
00:25:46 foreign policy and on the conversation.
00:25:50 No, I really appreciate you doing this.
00:25:53 Thank you so much, Hugo.
00:25:54 Thanks, Steve.
00:25:57 When you read something from Hugo, you know that it's well reported, does his work.
00:26:03 Really a good pick and shovel guy.
00:26:05 This is, as we say, you know, we're very supportive of obviously the White House and going forward,
00:26:10 particularly in the midterms.
00:26:11 But behind the scenes, this is the single biggest issue out there.
00:26:16 And, you know, I think there's a correlation between Elon Musk saying, hey, I'm going to write $100 million or $200 million check for the midterms and this issue about exactly what we're doing with these frontier labs and the cutting edge of AI, particularly when so much of it and the hype of it is what props these stocks up.
00:26:35 Jensen Wang has got to be dealt with.
00:26:37 The entire situation with the Chinese Communist Party has to be dealt with.
00:26:41 And I realize, you know, Scott Besson is taking a leadership role in this.
00:26:44 Scott and this audience knows Scott better than anybody.
00:26:48 The the common sense he has, the safe pair of hands kind of mentality.
00:26:53 He's he's very much involved.
00:26:56 If you read Hugo's piece, Treasury is very involved in this now.
00:26:59 And he wasn't particularly involved in it.
00:27:02 But when they had that meeting in May, when Jamie Dimon's telling you, hey, they may be able to affect the operations of J.P.
00:27:08 Morgan. Right.
00:27:10 probably the gold standard when it comes to money center banks when they say that they could affect
00:27:16 the operations in 90 seconds and they have no defense for it scott besson's going to get involved
00:27:21 just like scott besson's now involved is kind of the the economic warfare chief on president trump's
00:27:30 on this new alternative strategy they're going to over in persia the situation with ai the more
00:27:38 information comes out and the more it's debated the more you get the american people on board
00:27:43 this is what we need and it can't be used it can't be used as a a bludgeon against the
00:27:50 administration whether it's data centers or whether it's artificial intelligence but the 0.94
00:27:55 chinese communist party have to be cut off at the knees their ecosystem has to be destroyed 0.84
00:28:01 short break we're going to the white house next the uss lincoln what is going on with the carrier 0.96
00:28:08 battle group in the North Arabian Sea.
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00:29:22 sailors aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln have tried to jump overboard amid poor conditions
00:29:26 and mental stress on the ship. This is according to new reporting from the Military Times.
00:29:30 which spoke to the wife of one of those sailors
00:29:33 who says she's spoken to her husband
00:29:35 only a handful of times since he tried to jump.
00:29:38 He is now on a medical hold.
00:29:40 The Military Times is also reporting
00:29:41 severe food shortages on board
00:29:43 and that sailors are running out of just basic needs,
00:29:47 toothpaste, deodorant, soap.
00:29:48 This crew has been at sea for nine months
00:29:51 amid Trump's war in Iran.
00:29:53 That includes 250 consecutive days
00:29:56 without setting foot on land.
00:29:58 250 consecutive days, that is a record.
00:30:00 Now, according to Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal, who sits on the Armed Services
00:30:04 Committee, the Lincoln has not made a port call in more than 200 days. That's about six and a
00:30:09 half months. Now, just last month, Pamela Brown was reporting on board the Lincoln.
00:30:14 She spoke with Airman Randall Stone about the low morale on the ship.
00:30:19 Why is morale low? I think that's a fairly simple answer. Morale's low because we haven't hit a port
00:30:26 in about seven months.
00:30:29 I mean, I haven't stepped off the ship
00:30:30 in the year 2026.
00:30:33 I haven't been off the ship.
00:30:35 I haven't touched land.
00:30:36 Even when we went,
00:30:37 there's been a couple of quick port stops.
00:30:39 You weren't able to get off?
00:30:41 No, the last time I was off the ship on dry land
00:30:43 would have been Guam in December.
00:30:45 So 2026, unfortunately, I was live risk in Dukum.
00:30:49 So that was off the table for me.
00:30:52 So it's hard.
00:30:53 You know, it's hard in your mental state,
00:30:54 Being out to sea for eight months without being on dry land, it takes a toll on you.
00:31:02 Now, in a statement to CNN, the U.S. Navy said, quote,
00:31:05 we have not observed an increase in suicidal ideations or attempts aboard the ship.
00:31:11 We take every service member's well-being seriously and have religious, medical,
00:31:15 and mental health professionals available to assess and address concerns as they arise, end quote.
00:31:20 One U.S. official told CNN the Navy's internal tracking of reports of suicidal ideation on the USS Lincoln had actually gone down in recent months.
00:31:30 Completely misrepresented.
00:31:32 Listen, we make sure that every ship, every crew, every captain has everything we can provide them at every single moment.
00:31:40 Some deployments are longer than others, and I have more respect and gratitude for those sailors than anybody.
00:31:48 What they do in those high seas and those austere conditions with less port calls, it's incredible.
00:31:55 Americans don't understand what it's like to do that.
00:31:57 So as someone who's not been on a ship like that but been on long deployments, I feel it. 0.85
00:32:04 I want them home as soon as everybody else do.
00:32:06 I want folks rotated as quickly as possible.
00:32:08 I want the best for them.
00:32:09 My commanders know that.
00:32:11 Our service secretaries know that.
00:32:13 The president expects that.
00:32:14 And so to that crew and to all those crews, we're going to do everything we can for you.
00:32:19 And we are so grateful for their dedication of that crew and others.
00:32:23 They've held the line for the country and they've done a fantastic job.
00:32:29 There you're hearing Secretary of War Pete Hagseth respond to this.
00:32:33 Neil McCabe at the White.
00:32:34 Look, 250 days, I think I spent 100, over 100 in the North Arabian Sea, Persian Gulf, back 79, 80 on a destroyer.
00:32:43 my kid brother spent i think 76 77 on a frigate in the persian gulf during the um tanker wars
00:32:51 when they had that situation i think 86 85 86 86 87 for a free to destroy a long time now 250 days
00:32:58 is a very long time but people got to put this in perspective um number one on on the debit side
00:33:05 i don't think people are being clear these these carriers are almost at least up until maybe the
00:33:12 last 30 days or so were continuous air ops the most dangerous place on earth you can be is on
00:33:20 a carrier deck during air operations and the air operations here of these carriers the uptempo
00:33:26 of these deployments has been extraordinary so the sailors of the lincoln i will also say if it's one
00:33:32 person overboard which it seems to me it's one person overboard they should get the navy achievement
00:33:39 medal for you because neil as you know in any deployment when you have that tempo of air
00:33:45 operations all night long on those carrier decks with the arresting gear and the catapults and
00:33:51 president trump just came out this morning with another issue that he is i can tell you very
00:33:57 focused on because very focused on the first term he came in i think was on true social no it has to
00:34:03 be steam catapults he does not want electronic catapults he he's got a belief as his analysis is
00:34:10 that uh steam catapults are the best and they they fail less so between the catapult systems
00:34:16 and the arresting gear the danger on the flight decks to lose one sailor and they've said all the
00:34:22 statistics are the the suicidal you know checking in with the with the medical the corpsman on the
00:34:28 ship is is down um and so i i think that look 250 days at sea is a long time and a carrier is like
00:34:36 a city but remember these sailors nelson's navy which the world navy was the greatest in the world
00:34:44 and the most effective until the navy the united states navy in the western pacific in world war
00:34:49 ii uh you wanted the crews were it was good if they were sullen not mutineous these crews have
00:34:56 not had the chance to go to the philippines or hong kong or singapore any of the great ports of
00:35:01 call are in the med all the great ports of call that the navy makes as part of the deployment
00:35:07 they haven't done it but at least from what i can see and what pete and the sencom is putting out
00:35:12 and the navy's putting out it seems to me a heroic uh deployment and uh of course you're going to
00:35:19 have tons of issues and tons of personnel issues particularly with the folks back home when you get
00:35:25 past seven eight nine ten months a year you know they've been separated many of these are young
00:35:31 families a lot of the the the moms uh you know are maybe struggling in the workplace because maybe
00:35:37 the jobs aren't great because they got kids so it's it's a it's it's very tough on the families
00:35:42 and particularly very tough on young families so neil walk us through what we actually know
00:35:47 because when i see this i think the command at the lincoln uh is is given the tough the difficulty
00:35:54 in the logistics uh tail and logistics is what this is kind of about you you add the up-tempo
00:36:02 air operations 24-7 you have the difficulty in logistics because bahrain is a little
00:36:08 the fifth fleet bahrain logistics and it's a little constrained because they do have the
00:36:13 missile and the drone issue i think what the command has done there and what the navy has
00:36:17 done there is nothing short of heroic sir your thoughts well i think you know
00:36:24 the sort of the rules change right when you lose sight of land and when you're at sea for a long
00:36:29 time i as a uh veteran of the coast guard i don't have any kind of sea time extended sea time that
00:36:36 maybe you or other you know navy sailors have but when you're gone you know once you start going 30
00:36:42 days at sea you know your mind starts to melt a little bit and it affects everybody and so the
00:36:47 idea that uss lincoln and it's uh the destroyers and everyone in that carrier group and really
00:36:53 there's two dozen warships in theater. They've been throwing lead down range at an op tempo that
00:37:00 has to absolutely terrify, you know, any hostile power looking at the Japanese, excuse me, the
00:37:06 Chinese should have four active aircraft carriers by the end of 28, but they're looking at what 0.65
00:37:13 we're doing and there's no way they can do the flight ops and everything else. And the logistics 1.00
00:37:18 piece, as you were talking about, with these two dozen ships, in the last month, USS Lincoln has
00:37:25 been visited twice by military sea lift command doing ship to ship replenishment. But that in
00:37:33 itself is very dangerous. There are sort of mini ports. They don't have the port facilities
00:37:37 that they have at Bahrain, but there are other ports. And the command at Bahrain is sending out
00:37:43 teams to sort of establish sort of makeshift logistics hubs. But, you know, if you put in
00:37:50 Lincoln and Oman at a port in Oman for 48 hours, you know, that's vulnerable too, because they're
00:37:56 all within range. So I think it's been, I think you're absolutely correct, but we, we have to
00:38:02 also address that there's a geopolitical element where the Iranians are looking at this super
00:38:09 carrier led blockade. And they're saying, why should we negotiate with these guys if their
00:38:15 blockade is going to crack? Well, OK, but let's go back to that. The reporting. And if we can get
00:38:22 up, I think the Daily Telegraph has got an amazing story. I mean, CNBC, Scott Besson is clearly
00:38:30 stepping in. The president's kind of designated, hey, during this time frame, Besson is going to
00:38:35 take a much bigger leadership role here economic warfare is going to come to the front the key
00:38:40 aspect they were trying to negotiate here at the end was to to lift the blockade to remove
00:38:47 the carrier battle groups from the Gulf of Oman and uh in the North Arabian Sea right outside the
00:38:53 Strait of Hormuz that this story really started to get legs over the weekend in fact I reached out
00:38:58 to Sobek right away because in the middle of the night you you heard these reports there had
00:39:03 actually been a riot on the Lincoln. In fact, there had been some sort of CENTCOM deputy had
00:39:08 gone, but there was many people injured, seven killed. And it came from, it was totally false,
00:39:13 totally phony, but it came from the Persian, you know, the Persians are very sophisticated 0.54
00:39:18 in social media and they're very sophisticated in propaganda, particularly in the region. 0.85
00:39:22 And then it metastasizes out. They want those carrier battle groups gone. They understand that
00:39:29 that is the uh the forcing function we have right now for economic warfare that the the navy can
00:39:35 lock down whatever comes in and out of her moves no oil out and that means no cash back in the
00:39:40 overland routes as powerful as they are and i think they ought to be shut down through pakistan 0.80
00:39:45 can't compare to what's going on what they have coming out neil so the persians understand what's 0.71
00:39:51 going on here so that's one of the reasons i think this thing is so worked up and of course
00:39:55 the american media the trump derangement syndrome and this shows you cnn and these people in all its
00:40:01 glory right can you if you go on board a ship a 5 000 man ship uh personnel ship you're clearly
00:40:09 going to have some sailors that are that are uh that are not happy and there's a saying in the
00:40:17 navy if they ain't bitching they're not happy right it's just it's just the reality of life at
00:40:21 sea and look these sailors are the best in the world in fact sometimes when they're bitching is
00:40:26 when they're doing their best work and what the lincoln has done i just want people to put this
00:40:30 in perspective not only is it 250 days with no port calls at sea but i'm my calculation is 75
00:40:38 or 80 percent of that time has been almost 24 hour a day air ops you're essentially at general
00:40:43 quarters right and and and you're not you know you're not just going about your daily routine
00:40:49 You're actually in a combat situation and they've had some incoming. So it's heroic what they've done.
00:40:54 I think the media here jumped on the Persian propaganda and have all of a sudden just gone in and do this.
00:41:00 Now, the reality, Neil, talk to me about this, is that clearly the rotation of Lincoln is an issue.
00:41:07 And I believe they've determined. I don't know if it's been announced, but I think the scuttlebutt is and some of the news reporting is that the carrier that is on patrol,
00:41:15 essentially in the western pacific and around taiwan uh is is going to be heading through the
00:41:20 straits of malacca and actually relieve the lincoln uh on station sir
00:41:25 yes steve uh uss george washington and its its carrier group was seen through the strait of
00:41:34 malacca heading towards the iranian theater and so the speculation was that uss theater
00:41:40 Theodore Roosevelt would be the relief ship and its strike force. And that's something that
00:41:47 Secretary Cao said to family members last week. But Roosevelt is just coming off of RIMPAC.
00:41:55 It also has some sort of other things it has to do in port. And so it won't, it wouldn't be in
00:42:00 theater till late September or October, whereas USS Washington is already underway. It's home
00:42:07 supported in japan and so they're just making that big turn i guess west
00:42:12 um neil can you hang on at the white house we're gonna take a short commercial break when
00:42:19 economic warfare is going to come to the uh is going to come to the forefront um and scott
00:42:26 bessett is according to the daily telegraph and cnbc and other news sources i think the wall
00:42:30 street journal is going to be the lead of that effort so we'll follow that quite closely the
00:42:34 U.S. Navy and those carriers and the carrier strike groups, I guess, are called today.
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00:45:39 you do it today get up to speed paul renner joins us from florida former speaker of the house
00:45:46 currently running in the republican primary which is on tuesday paul real quickly uh you're a former
00:45:52 surface warfare officer and if memory serves me i think as a young ensign jg you spent some time
00:45:57 in the Persian Gulf and the North Arabian Sea.
00:46:00 You can empathize with the sailors on the Lincoln?
00:46:04 Absolutely.
00:46:05 A buddy of mine said war, the best word for war is deprivation.
00:46:08 You know, no sleep, no significant other near you to cuddle and, you know, all that.
00:46:11 It's nonstop, as you pointed out, like general quarters.
00:46:14 These guys are going 24-7, literally on watch at every hour of every day, fighting the fight.
00:46:20 You've lived that life, Steve, and so have I.
00:46:22 That's why we honor our veterans each and every day.
00:46:25 paul uh you're you're putting yourself out for the folks in florida having been the speaker to say
00:46:34 hey i want to be on watch and actually relieve the watch and follow ron desantis give us your
00:46:39 vision what are the two or three things that you feel need to happen to keep florida the free state
00:46:43 of florida a state that is on a tear i mean you talk about a place that is on a roll florida is
00:46:50 it uh what what's your vision well look we're a victim of our success so affordability is front
00:46:56 and center i'm the only one with a plan you can't pass platitudes but you can pass a plan i'm the
00:47:01 only one with a plan to eliminate homestead property taxes reduce insurance 10 to 20 percent
00:47:05 those homeowners insurance rates that are so high and lower electric rates and i'll tell you a
00:47:10 couple there's a couple sleeper issues too people are concerned about the growth of islam in our 0.96
00:47:14 state i just like you we we were told you have to fight them abroad so we don't have to fight them 0.97
00:47:19 here at home and now they're growing we see the islamification of europe and it's coming to 0.92
00:47:23 america we have to fight and i've been steely-eyed about stopping them in their tracks no enclaves 1.00
00:47:28 no money going to sharia law no uh slaughterhouses no care muslim brotherhood these are some sleeper 0.97
00:47:35 issues that voters talk to me about and i've been very bold and saying we'll stop the green threat 0.98
00:47:40 as well as the red threat of china people are concerned rightly that they're coming in to 1.00
00:47:43 undermine our country so those are several of the issues that we're fighting here on and the free 1.00
00:47:48 state of florida i was a key architect in building it we're going to keep it going
00:47:51 it's interesting because the media even the political media doesn't pick up i see
00:47:57 oftentimes what's on the top of voters minds you do town halls you shake a lot of hands you talk
00:48:02 to people but when you talk to people down there data centers come up uh the electric the whole
00:48:07 situation with the power commission down there and the solar power what's actually happening
00:48:12 rates are exploding the issue of uh islamification sharia law uh talk to us about that talk to us
00:48:19 what what are voters telling you their priorities are we just talked about the islamification 0.96
00:48:24 people whisper that and they come up and say thank you so much for telling the truth they're afraid
00:48:28 to speak up i'm not you're not uh you've been great on that issue and and so uh let's talk
00:48:33 about data centers no clear conflict between the candidates byron is all in he just said the other
00:48:38 day by iron donalds did we're not going to have any bands here in florida uh if i'm governor we
00:48:42 will we're going to stop that at the state level because they will damage our aquifer they will
00:48:47 raise our electric rates these are big electric and water hogs and we're going to get that done 0.58
00:48:52 another candidate says it has to be done locally but you know the aquifer doesn't know county
00:48:56 boundaries the grid doesn't know county boundaries we have to do this we'll do it on day one actually
00:49:02 that affordability special session to stop data centers and you talked about solar fields again
00:49:07 that's the problem with our electric reforms that we need to have is that they're investing all in
00:49:11 on these solar farms or solar fields that are not the cheapest way to deliver electricity coal natural
00:49:18 gas nuclear is better we're dependent on china for those solar panels and it's not reliable when the 0.94
00:49:23 sun goes down it's not providing power and so we need to fight that special interest that's figured
00:49:28 out how to work the green new scam and fleece florida rate payers and we'll stop it when i'm
00:49:34 governor. Paul, this data centers is a pretty defining issue when you talk to folks down there.
00:49:41 Explain to people how you're going to, because the argument against you is that, oh,
00:49:47 he's a decelerationist. He doesn't want economic growth. He doesn't want Florida to be a tech
00:49:52 center. What's your response to that since you've taken a pretty hard line on the data centers? How
00:49:56 do you respond to that criticism? Well, there's all kinds of tech, all kinds of business that I
00:50:01 will welcome and go around the country and the world to bring to Florida to provide high-paying
00:50:06 jobs. The difference, as you know, is unlike all those other options like semiconductors and
00:50:12 everything else, is these facilities are massive, massive hogs of electricity. We're talking about 0.98
00:50:18 one facility, the equivalent of 700,000 to 800,000 people. And same thing with water. They need huge
00:50:25 amounts of water to cool those facilities. Our aquifer, and here's what I'd say, if you're a
00:50:30 pro data center. We've got to beat China. I get it, but not in the state of Florida, because
00:50:34 unlike states, blue states that are emptying out, have extra grid capacity, have extra water to
00:50:39 provide, Florida is tapped out. We have a grid that's already under stress. We have an aquifer
00:50:44 under stress. It's just not a good place to put these data centers. And so I am a hard no. And
00:50:50 this is a defining issue on the ballot. If you want them, vote for Byron Donaldson. If you don't
00:50:54 want them. The only one to vote for is Paul Renner. Is your position right now, you're saying
00:51:01 you're the only candidate out there that's got a real plan to stop these data centers, that the
00:51:07 other two are, at least Collins and Byron, are pro-big tech, pro-data center? Well, Byron is
00:51:16 absolutely pro-data center. He's been funded $5 million and counting by a group that was founded
00:51:21 by Chuck Schumer liberal allies. And so he's definitely all in for data centers. Jay Collins
00:51:28 sponsored a bill to extend tax breaks and was talking specifically about the need to attract
00:51:33 hyperscale data centers just a year ago. Now the winds have shifted and he's saying, well,
00:51:37 make it a local control issue. But as I described, it's not a local issue. The aquifer doesn't know
00:51:43 county boundaries. The electric grid, it doesn't stop at the county line. This is a statewide
00:51:47 solution. So I'm really the only candidate with a plan. I know what to do. I was former Speaker
00:51:52 of the House. We can get this done, not in the first 100 days, in the first 10 days. And that's
00:51:56 affordability special session that will encompass those things. Also take on immigration. That's a
00:52:02 major driver of unaffordability here in the state of Florida. It's a supply and demand issue. We've
00:52:06 got to get after and continue the great work of this governor to support the president and
00:52:11 immigration enforcement. Paul, where do people go to find out where they can meet you on the
00:52:16 campaign to find out more issues and if, uh, where you stand and if they want to hit you with a,
00:52:20 a $20 bill. Yeah. Well, don't hit me with a $20 bill. Cause that ended at midnight last night. I
00:52:26 got it. It reminds me to turn off that donate button if they haven't already, but, uh, they
00:52:31 can help us at vote runner.com and I'll volunteer follow us on social media, you know, share at this
00:52:36 point, this point is getting the word out. We have, uh, we're the fast galloping horse. So we
00:52:40 know we have momentum where that takes us. We'll hope we hope is victory on Tuesday and much of
00:52:45 this election still outstanding. So share with your friends. We have people converting dozens
00:52:49 a day. We're hearing anecdotally people leaving the Donald's camp or the Collins camp coming our
00:52:54 way. We're the ones to do it. Let's have victory on Tuesday. Paul, thank you so much. Good luck on
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