Bannon's War Room - Episode 5589： Rising Up Against Accelerationist AI

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00:00:53.640 It's Friday, 14 August in the year of our Lord, 2026.

00:00:56.600 We're going to get to our traditional cold open and all that, hopefully in the next block.

00:01:02.120 We have Neil McCabe at the White House.

00:01:03.600 We're going to be addressing a number of issues.

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00:01:25.660 We'll get to all that. Also, Scott Besson, a lot of stories they have about how Secretary of Treasury Scott Besson is going to lead the effort.

00:01:34.080 President Trump is designating him to lead the effort on, wait for it, economic warfare against the Persians.

00:01:41.260 Gosh, we've never heard that before. OK, we're going to get to all that momentarily.

00:01:44.960 I want to, though, as we continue to talk here in the war room and apprise the war room posse of all the great works being done out in the hinterland on data centers and all this, that the biggest fight by far behind the scenes in Washington, D.C. is about artificial intelligence, the direction of it, the potential regulatory apparatus, all of it.

00:02:06.740 even the public offerings just announced. I think that Anthropic, I saw an analyst report last night

00:02:12.700 that Anthropic may go public at a two to three trillion dollar valuation. So the SEC and people

00:02:19.080 will be reviewing those documents shortly. I want to bring in Hugo Lowell from Wired Magazine has

00:02:25.340 really an amazing piece about the evolution of this policy, something we've been fighting

00:02:29.840 nonstop. Hugo, one of the reasons I respect and admire you so much, you're in the top two or three

00:02:35.900 hardest working journalist i know so when i read a hugo lowell story i know it's been uh well

00:02:43.120 reported and uh and really dug into this evolution because this audience is very engaged in this

00:02:49.800 whole you know kind of beginning of regulatory apparatus eos we led the effort to kill the

00:02:55.460 insertion uh for the uh preemption situation with the brologarchs david saxon team in the big

00:03:03.160 beautiful bill and then killed it in the NDAA last year and have been very on top of what's

00:03:08.720 happening on these EOs. Now, you've got reporting that says things I think are kind of shifting

00:03:14.100 the way we think they have to shift. The White House is getting much more serious about looking

00:03:18.920 at because of the containment issues, the accelerating and accelerating rate, what's

00:03:24.080 happening at the Frontier Labs. Walk us through what your reporting says is happening right now

00:03:28.780 with this entire beginning of either executive orders or some sort of framework of regulatory

00:03:35.020 apparatus around the launch of these AI models. Yeah, that's right, Steve. So as you recall,

00:03:42.120 earlier this month, the White House released its AI oversight framework. And it's been very

00:03:48.220 secretive about it. And they really haven't released really what the different parameters

00:03:53.860 But one thing we do know is they are very interested in covering what we call the frontier models, the most powerful models that have the capabilities to, in theory, hack the Pentagon, hack Goldman Sachs, close out open trades, that sort of thing.

00:04:09.880 Up until now and currently, the framework only covers what we call closed models, the models that are being put out there by the likes of Anthropic and OpenAI.

00:04:19.820 And their models are proprietary, right?

00:04:22.020 It's run by Anthropic and OpenAI on their systems, on their servers.

00:04:26.620 And really, in this case, you just have users submitting queries to the models, and then

00:04:30.740 the information travels back to Anthropic and Anthropic, so it's out an answer.

00:04:35.280 But because of the rapid rise of Chinese open source models, because of the rapid development

00:04:42.280 of this technology, and you kind of referenced it there in your open, about how the most

00:04:48.060 powerful models are breaking out of their testing sandboxes and are colluding with other models,

00:04:54.680 the White House, I think, has realized that it is only a matter of time before these open models

00:04:59.940 catch up to the frontier capabilities of these closed models. And a White House official tells

00:05:05.540 me that as soon as that happens, open models will be incorporated into part of the AI framework,

00:05:11.620 and they will be subject to these same constraints, the same sort of... There hasn't

00:05:16.960 the correct regulation, but we're really getting towards regulation now of these AI models. That

00:05:23.240 is going to basically involve submitting these models to the government for approval and testing

00:05:28.120 before they are released to the public. It's going to be a roughly 30-day period where Casey at the

00:05:34.240 Commerce Department, the Center of AI Safety, will review these models and make sure that bad actors

00:05:39.220 cannot take these and try and hack critical systems and infrastructure.

00:05:46.960 So let's go. I want to go back in time in a second. But what you just said right there is this because one of the big issues we've had is this voluntary versus mandatory and is an actual approval?

00:06:00.680 Because the way this was first talked about and then the White House came out and said, hey, we're actually not going to release the executive order itself because this issue of is this mandatory or is it still voluntary?

00:06:14.080 and number two is there actually going to be an approval because that that was left kind of very

00:06:19.780 amorphous they're going to be reviewed but not actually use the word approved is is this now

00:06:25.720 going to be mandatory and is actually going to be approval process because that's a massive shift

00:06:31.100 if that if your reporting shows that from sources inside the white house sir that is a massive shift

00:06:37.540 so i will say at the moment a white house official was pretty insistent to us that it's still

00:06:43.500 voluntary, right? They're really concerned that they don't want to spook anyone in the AI sector.

00:06:48.820 You know, President Trump has gone out there on the racket and said, you know, his number one

00:06:52.900 priority is to make sure we do not stifle development. And there is a lot of concern

00:06:58.280 that the moment you start imposing regulatory hurdles on the sector, that AI companies will

00:07:04.540 feel like they're getting throttled and will dial back their research and development. But it is

00:07:10.340 becoming clear based on conversations I've had with people across the administration that there

00:07:16.200 is the sense that there will have to be some sort of formal approach with these AI companies.

00:07:23.880 And we kind of teased it a little bit in the story because it's not concrete yet and it's still

00:07:28.160 getting worked out the degree to which there might be cooperation between the government and the top

00:07:33.380 AI labs. But people at Comas, people at Treasury and people in the White House seem to think that

00:07:40.240 in very short order, the arrangement between the federal government and the AI labs will be much

00:07:48.340 more robust, and that there might even be some sort of formal partner arrangement. Because at

00:07:54.560 the moment, to your point, Steve, it is incumbent on individual AI labs to proactively send their

00:08:02.840 models that they think are powerful to the government. And there's not a structural

00:08:08.140 framework in place where the most pathway models have to be sent to the government and my sources

00:08:13.320 inside across the administration think that may soon change yeah i just want to make sure the

00:08:19.580 audience understands the bid in the ask here is you have a voluntary system now that gets reviewed

00:08:25.260 to a mandatory that it gets approved that is what people in thinking the framing of this they should

00:08:31.620 thing let me go back in time here's what i think concerns us is the the white house the tech team

00:08:41.060 at david sexy are always in reaction to events in the field this all became a big issue because of

00:08:47.260 the mythos you know preview when when during the semaphore conference during the week of the imf

00:08:53.960 and the world bank when money center banks particularly jamie diamond sat down and i think

00:08:59.320 it was a joint meeting with the head of the federal reserve and scott besson but the treasury

00:09:02.760 department took the lead and they talked about as you mentioned in your first comments that hey

00:09:08.660 these models could evaporate a money center bank of like all the records of bond holders

00:09:15.020 and stockholders and accounts and credit cards in 90 seconds and we have no ability to thwart that

00:09:22.580 then that was in may i think the first week of may then you cut to uh late june july uh you know

00:09:30.620 in that 30-day period you had this issue of containment of which the uh the companies came

00:09:37.040 forward to the white house maybe a week or 10 days two weeks after they realized they had the

00:09:43.580 containment issue it was it was breaking out in kind of a voluntary basis but the white house

00:09:48.680 was because the companies didn't come forward.

00:09:52.180 They didn't know about it.

00:09:52.860 Once you know about it,

00:09:53.660 and the more you drill down on this breakout,

00:09:56.520 this containment breakout,

00:09:58.100 the more serious it gets.

00:09:59.540 And I argue that if you take the financial issue

00:10:03.060 and you couple it with the containment issue

00:10:05.300 and the breakout,

00:10:06.620 this is no longer a commercial problem.

00:10:09.100 This is a national security problem.

00:10:11.340 And you can't have any intermediary

00:10:13.660 coming between what's actually happening at the labs

00:10:16.460 and what the government knows.

00:10:18.680 Now, I don't think that's going to thwart development, but I'm just talking in a communication.

00:10:22.600 Is that the correct arc of this, right?

00:10:24.720 And my point is the problems get more and more serious, and we're always dealing in a reactionary mode.

00:10:31.740 And this is something you have to get ahead of the problem, or the problem is going to overwhelm you, sir.

00:10:38.560 Yeah, I think you make two good points.

00:10:40.580 Number one, on the messaging from the AI labs to the federal government, I'd say it was actually worse than that, right?

00:10:48.000 the timeline was longer. If you think back to when the rogue AI, the misbehaving AI models

00:10:55.620 were breaking out of their testing sandboxes, that was May, June. I mean, we really only heard

00:11:02.000 about the, we only really heard like official statements from these open AI, from the likes of

00:11:08.700 open AI, I think in July. And we are only really hearing now in the last week or so that it wasn't

00:11:16.680 just one model, it was several models were colluding on a secret message board on how to

00:11:22.780 break out of their testing gymnasium and hack another company by accessing the internet.

00:11:31.920 And then not only did that happen after OpenAI staff shut that down, two days later, they

00:11:38.020 escaped again using the same method undetected. And so there is some latency here. I mean,

00:11:43.480 this is all happening in May or June. We're now midway through August. So you're looking really

00:11:48.000 at a week's timeline gap. That's the first point. The second point, I think, is the capabilities

00:11:57.140 of these models are developing at such a rapid rate that if we're taking 30 days to review these

00:12:05.520 models, I mean, you're basically already coming into the next class of models. I mean, if you

00:12:10.580 think about what we were doing 30 days ago 60 days ago 60 days ago the government was trying

00:12:14.840 to grapple with anthropic mythos class models having jailbreaks that users could bypass the

00:12:21.340 safety guardrails and use them for prohibited activities like that was only really 60 days ago

00:12:26.840 and now i mean to the government's credit we have now like they've responded much more quickly in

00:12:31.340 the month since but you are right when you say the administration is always going to be playing

00:12:37.040 catch up because even if you harden your systems now with the latest AI model and you think,

00:12:42.680 okay, that's fine, the top models right now cannot break into the Pentagon, a month from now,

00:12:48.400 there's going to be a new model potentially with new capabilities. And then you have to repeat that

00:12:52.140 process all the time. So there is a massive reactionary latency here that I think people

00:12:57.000 don't quite realize. And I want to hold you through the break because I want to drill down

00:13:06.320 on a potential atomic energy commission type framework also when we talk open models the

00:13:11.820 entire ecosystem of uh the chinese communist party the entire ecosystem is literally financed

00:13:19.920 produced uh and nurtured by the united states of america the big tech bros and actually even

00:13:27.620 the certain venture capital firms this whole false narrative that when they when they refer

00:13:34.320 to war room or or people on our side of this as decelerationist i would actually say we're the

00:13:40.720 we're the we're the rationalists of this so let me look if i can just hold you through the the

00:13:44.260 break i want to come back and deal with these issues of like the beginning of a regulatory

00:13:48.300 apparatus because we still have this whole issue of preemption and you've got states and we're

00:13:53.240 going to have one of the guys running for governor and the republican primary is going to join us

00:13:56.980 later but a huge issue in the state of florida and governor de santis has made it front and center

00:14:02.940 This whole situation about the control of AI, if the federal government's not going to do it, he's going to step in in the state of Florida.

00:14:09.720 Also, this issue with data centers.

00:14:11.600 Anyway, Hugo Lowell, great piece in Wired.

00:14:16.140 We want everybody to push it out and be a force multiplier.

00:14:19.440 Great reporting on what's going on at the White House to actually get their arms around the frontier labs and the explosion of, I don't know, regenerative AI when the machine itself, when the computer itself.

00:14:32.940 is actually improving itself and cutting out any kind of human oversight or control.

00:14:39.880 We're going to take a short commercial break.

00:14:41.660 We're going to return in the War Room in just a moment.

00:14:44.400 After we finish with Hugo, we're going to go live to the White House for an update

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00:16:18.360 Hugo Lowell from Wired joins us.

00:16:21.480 Hugo, so I want to take this, number one, about, you know, oh, anybody opposes data centers or puts any type of control at all or oversight at all on these frontier labs.

00:16:33.140 It's a decelerationist or a Luddite.

00:16:35.400 If you see Mountainhead, and I advise everybody to watch the film Mountainhead, I don't think it's a dark comedy at all.

00:16:41.820 I think it's actually quite serious. But you see the tension that arises between accelerationist and decelerationist.

00:16:47.720 One of the things we're called all the time, the Luddites, the new the modern Luddites or decelerationist,

00:16:53.400 is that we're supporting the Chinese Communist Party, the entire ecosystem.

00:16:57.200 Yet we have a system where we're selling them advanced chips or we're looking the other way,

00:17:01.920 why they get advanced NVIDIA chips through black market in Thailand or or Singapore.

00:17:08.340 poor, we're still training 300,000 young Chinese engineers in our best universities and best

00:17:14.720 engineering schools. We've got in these labs, we have Chinese nationals. We're providing equity, 0.98

00:17:19.460 debt. The entire ecosystem is based on the U.S. Is there any conversation that you've heard

00:17:25.300 that we're going to start to crack down? Because the one way to get this, to really get some

00:17:30.460 room to breathe on this, right, and actually work with these frontier labs is to make sure that 0.90

00:17:36.880 we're not in an arms race with the Chinese Communist Party when we don't have to be? 0.73

00:17:40.760 Does any of your reporting give you any inkling at all that that's going to happen?

00:17:46.340 I think it's really complicated, right?

00:17:48.120 I mean, the White House, as you know, Steve, is absolutely framing this as we are in an

00:17:53.060 arms race with China.

00:17:53.900 The Commerce Department is seeing that way.

00:17:57.000 And Commerce is the agency that has control and oversight of export restrictions.

00:18:02.840 And I think, you know, Lutnik has been trying to bridge both sides of the argument here.

00:18:09.240 And I think he's been he's been trying kind of a bit of a heroic effort because it is it is very, very difficult.

00:18:14.860 You know, on the one hand, they don't want to slap controls on Chinese open models because open models just because those open models are being distilled and trained on U.S.

00:18:27.140 models because they don't want a situation where American companies are like, well, we're just going

00:18:32.840 to use Chinese models because they're cheaper. But at the same time, you have this issue with

00:18:36.800 NVIDIA and the NVIDIA chips, which basically anchor the entire AI sector. Every top AI model

00:18:44.520 right now is being trained on NVIDIA chips and NVIDIA compute power. So that is the fundamental

00:18:52.740 part of AI that the U.S. is letting leak out through the side of the system.

00:18:59.620 OK, but hold it, full stop, full stop, full stop.

00:19:02.320 The NVIDIA, Jensen Wong, in his comments, I would say, is an agent of influence for

00:19:07.360 the Chinese Communist Party.

00:19:08.180 He has on many occasions said it doesn't matter which nation wins this race.

00:19:14.220 It doesn't matter if these are Chinese companies that win it.

00:19:17.560 And this is one that he's the biggest proponent of selling chips.

00:19:20.760 And I understand in the economic industrial logic of his company, that's fine.

00:19:27.120 But that's not in the national security interests of the United States, is it?

00:19:30.400 As you understand the details of this argument, sir?

00:19:36.320 Yeah, look, NVIDIA wants to sell as many chips as possible to as many top AI labs as possible.

00:19:42.060 They want to have a monopoly on the industry.

00:19:44.900 And right now they do.

00:19:46.100 So they want to protect that.

00:19:46.920 And that makes absolute economic sense to me if I was running BioGensen Huang and if

00:19:51.480 I was running NVIDIA.

00:19:52.780 But I think you're right in that this is now becoming a national security issue in a very,

00:19:57.360 very meaningful way.

00:19:58.680 Because if Chinese AI labs are training their models on the same chips that we're trying

00:20:05.060 to train our models on in the US, by the way, there is a limited supply of chips here. 0.78

00:20:11.520 So it is like a bit of a zero-sum game where you have one piece of the cookie and China 0.51

00:20:15.840 is effectively taking a piece of the cookie away from the U.S. 0.92

00:20:18.720 And so I think there is a sense of we should do more

00:20:23.860 and we should be more aggressive in enforcing export controls

00:20:26.560 of NVIDIA chips and preventing that sort of leakage.

00:20:30.460 But I think in practice it is obviously very difficult

00:20:33.340 because China and other countries have been invading U.S. sanctions

00:20:37.240 for a long time, and they're very good at doing it.

00:20:41.660 We just had Peter at Navarro, and they've got this whole thing

00:20:44.360 about tariff arbitrage. If we if we want to, if we have the will, we're very good at stopping that.

00:20:51.200 As Navarro said, you have to have the will to do it. But I'll deal with that separately. It's kind

00:20:57.740 of my editorial observations. I want to go to the preemption, all the fights. It seems to me,

00:21:04.360 and I keep telling people, if you watch the movie Oppenheimer, it's not really about

00:21:09.540 uh the nuclear era back then it's really a discussion of the artificial intelligence era

00:21:16.400 and that the beginning and remember he's held back or constrained or uh reviewed and in fact

00:21:22.500 kind of kicked out by the atomic energy commission and that you need and we're the we're the deconstruct

00:21:27.680 the administrative state and take on the deep state but it doesn't mean we're anarchists you

00:21:31.860 do need some sort of regular regulatory apparatus about complex things this is the type of thing

00:21:38.040 unless you want states with governors like Ron DeSantis, who's not going to back down on this,

00:21:43.360 that if you want a national kind of set of standards, I think you have to evolve into

00:21:48.220 some sort of like Atomic Energy Commission that can have some sort of oversight. Do you see

00:21:53.320 anything, Hugo, on the Hill or at the White House? Do you see anything that would lead you

00:21:59.800 to believe that that is even a possibility on the horizon, sir? Again, I think it's complicated and

00:22:07.300 we're going to have to, candidly, we're going to have to wait and see. I think there are several

00:22:11.000 different ideas getting kicked around at different levels. I think, you know, for instance, and this

00:22:17.780 is not specifically preemption, but I think gives you an idea of where like the different discussions

00:22:22.140 are. You know, as you know, Steve, you know, at Treasury, you know, Besson has been mulling over

00:22:29.180 how to have a framework that works cross borders, right, at the international level. And certainly,

00:22:35.100 I expect that to be a focus of the Xi summit later this year.

00:22:41.080 And then at kind of the national level, I think there is a real reluctance on the part

00:22:46.560 of the administration to work with individual states because, you know, they think that

00:22:51.580 in themselves would be a big regulatory hurdle.

00:22:53.640 They're like, they think, oh, you know, will an AI company be throttled if they have to

00:22:59.540 work through different frameworks in, let's say, Florida and California and in the Midwest and

00:23:06.500 then also have to abide by federal guidelines. I think the government could probably get around

00:23:11.900 some of these issues if they had a robust set of national standards. And I think part of the reason

00:23:17.680 why there's a lot of confusion about this is because the White House has not released its AI

00:23:21.200 framework. And I think they're afraid of releasing it a little bit maybe because they don't want to

00:23:27.440 seem like they put a document out and people go, oh, this is not enough, or it goes too far,

00:23:31.840 and they get hammered about it. But we're rapidly getting to the point now where people kind of

00:23:36.960 understand what the framework is trying to do. And I think people would also be sympathetic to

00:23:40.220 the fact that if they have to bolt on additional measures down the line to respond to the growing

00:23:44.740 technology, people would be sympathetic to that. So I think it's a difficult conversation. I don't

00:23:50.360 think there is a consensus by any means on what should happen across the different agencies in

00:23:57.320 the White House. And there's not only the national what to do on the national scale, but on the

00:24:01.700 international scale. And I think that kind of complicates things further. So all to say, I think

00:24:06.640 it's still pretty fluid. And maybe at the end of the month, there might be more clarity when the

00:24:11.680 AI framework itself becomes more fleshed out. As we get into recursive, where the actual machines

00:24:18.580 are artificial intelligence is making artificial intelligence and driving it forward without even

00:24:25.600 human involvement. It's just it beggars belief of how anyone expects to have a a a serious art of

00:24:35.380 executive order that deals with these different labs and you don't release it. It's on double

00:24:40.820 secret probation. Right. A handful of the frontier labs can see it, but the American people can't.

00:24:45.780 That's not going to wash. That may be the thinking, but that will not wash. It will not wash.

00:24:50.260 People are going to want to understand this is this is the biggest single issue of our era right

00:24:55.380 now people are going to want to understand uh the audience is going to want to understand people

00:24:59.660 figure hey i'm smart enough i want to see exactly what this framing is and how it's going to be

00:25:04.020 done you can't keep it secret it's it's it shouldn't be secret it should it should be out

00:25:07.820 it should be discussed and it should be debated if you notice this is why they tried to slide in

00:25:12.160 the broligarchs their language into the must the must pass big beautiful bill which is essentially

00:25:17.860 must pass and the ndaa in the middle of the night they don't want to debate because they realize

00:25:22.280 when they this has to be debated with the facts, they people go, well, hang on for a second.

00:25:27.460 Maybe we need some common sense here. Anyway, Hugo, the reporting's amazing. I want everybody

00:25:33.160 to get it wired. What is your social media? Where can they keep up with you on the on the coordinates

00:25:37.860 on your coordinates? Because I know you're going to be breaking a lot of stories in this area.

00:25:42.620 I'm still on Twitter at Hugo Lowe and it'd be great to get the war room,

00:25:46.260 foreign policy and on the conversation.

00:25:50.960 No, I really appreciate you doing this.

00:25:53.360 Thank you so much, Hugo.

00:25:54.980 Thanks, Steve.

00:25:57.780 When you read something from Hugo, you know that it's well reported, does his work.

00:26:03.200 Really a good pick and shovel guy.

00:26:05.160 This is, as we say, you know, we're very supportive of obviously the White House and going forward,

00:26:10.180 particularly in the midterms.

00:26:11.960 But behind the scenes, this is the single biggest issue out there.

00:26:16.260 And, you know, I think there's a correlation between Elon Musk saying, hey, I'm going to write $100 million or $200 million check for the midterms and this issue about exactly what we're doing with these frontier labs and the cutting edge of AI, particularly when so much of it and the hype of it is what props these stocks up.

00:26:35.220 Jensen Wang has got to be dealt with.

00:26:37.920 The entire situation with the Chinese Communist Party has to be dealt with.

00:26:41.260 And I realize, you know, Scott Besson is taking a leadership role in this.

00:26:44.180 Scott and this audience knows Scott better than anybody.

00:26:48.600 The the common sense he has, the safe pair of hands kind of mentality.

00:26:53.960 He's he's very much involved.

00:26:56.200 If you read Hugo's piece, Treasury is very involved in this now.

00:26:59.840 And he wasn't particularly involved in it.

00:27:02.160 But when they had that meeting in May, when Jamie Dimon's telling you, hey, they may be able to affect the operations of J.P.

00:27:08.920 Morgan. Right.

00:27:10.300 probably the gold standard when it comes to money center banks when they say that they could affect

00:27:16.040 the operations in 90 seconds and they have no defense for it scott besson's going to get involved

00:27:21.560 just like scott besson's now involved is kind of the the economic warfare chief on president trump's

00:27:30.820 on this new alternative strategy they're going to over in persia the situation with ai the more

00:27:38.860 information comes out and the more it's debated the more you get the american people on board

00:27:43.340 this is what we need and it can't be used it can't be used as a a bludgeon against the

00:27:50.020 administration whether it's data centers or whether it's artificial intelligence but the 0.94

00:27:55.100 chinese communist party have to be cut off at the knees their ecosystem has to be destroyed 0.84

00:28:01.880 short break we're going to the white house next the uss lincoln what is going on with the carrier 0.96

00:28:08.100 battle group in the North Arabian Sea.

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00:29:18.120 Go check it out today, RickardsWarRoom.com. Tonight, a shocking new report that multiple

00:29:22.280 sailors aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln have tried to jump overboard amid poor conditions

00:29:26.660 and mental stress on the ship. This is according to new reporting from the Military Times.

00:29:30.900 which spoke to the wife of one of those sailors

00:29:33.680 who says she's spoken to her husband

00:29:35.360 only a handful of times since he tried to jump.

00:29:38.420 He is now on a medical hold.

00:29:40.120 The Military Times is also reporting

00:29:41.560 severe food shortages on board

00:29:43.160 and that sailors are running out of just basic needs,

00:29:47.060 toothpaste, deodorant, soap.

00:29:48.600 This crew has been at sea for nine months

00:29:51.220 amid Trump's war in Iran.

00:29:53.220 That includes 250 consecutive days

00:29:56.480 without setting foot on land.

00:29:58.100 250 consecutive days, that is a record.

00:30:00.540 Now, according to Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal, who sits on the Armed Services

00:30:04.280 Committee, the Lincoln has not made a port call in more than 200 days. That's about six and a

00:30:09.960 half months. Now, just last month, Pamela Brown was reporting on board the Lincoln.

00:30:14.500 She spoke with Airman Randall Stone about the low morale on the ship.

00:30:19.720 Why is morale low? I think that's a fairly simple answer. Morale's low because we haven't hit a port

00:30:26.420 in about seven months.

00:30:29.080 I mean, I haven't stepped off the ship

00:30:30.580 in the year 2026.

00:30:33.620 I haven't been off the ship.

00:30:35.300 I haven't touched land.

00:30:36.560 Even when we went,

00:30:37.760 there's been a couple of quick port stops.

00:30:39.620 You weren't able to get off?

00:30:41.100 No, the last time I was off the ship on dry land

00:30:43.360 would have been Guam in December.

00:30:45.260 So 2026, unfortunately, I was live risk in Dukum.

00:30:49.100 So that was off the table for me.

00:30:52.360 So it's hard.

00:30:53.580 You know, it's hard in your mental state,

00:30:54.860 Being out to sea for eight months without being on dry land, it takes a toll on you.

00:31:02.640 Now, in a statement to CNN, the U.S. Navy said, quote,

00:31:05.700 we have not observed an increase in suicidal ideations or attempts aboard the ship.

00:31:11.100 We take every service member's well-being seriously and have religious, medical,

00:31:15.620 and mental health professionals available to assess and address concerns as they arise, end quote.

00:31:20.600 One U.S. official told CNN the Navy's internal tracking of reports of suicidal ideation on the USS Lincoln had actually gone down in recent months.

00:31:30.120 Completely misrepresented.

00:31:32.040 Listen, we make sure that every ship, every crew, every captain has everything we can provide them at every single moment.

00:31:40.420 Some deployments are longer than others, and I have more respect and gratitude for those sailors than anybody.

00:31:48.400 What they do in those high seas and those austere conditions with less port calls, it's incredible.

00:31:55.000 Americans don't understand what it's like to do that.

00:31:57.460 So as someone who's not been on a ship like that but been on long deployments, I feel it. 0.85

00:32:04.140 I want them home as soon as everybody else do.

00:32:06.220 I want folks rotated as quickly as possible.

00:32:08.280 I want the best for them.

00:32:09.920 My commanders know that.

00:32:11.620 Our service secretaries know that.

00:32:13.320 The president expects that.

00:32:14.660 And so to that crew and to all those crews, we're going to do everything we can for you.

00:32:19.580 And we are so grateful for their dedication of that crew and others.

00:32:23.780 They've held the line for the country and they've done a fantastic job.

00:32:29.420 There you're hearing Secretary of War Pete Hagseth respond to this.

00:32:33.360 Neil McCabe at the White.

00:32:34.260 Look, 250 days, I think I spent 100, over 100 in the North Arabian Sea, Persian Gulf, back 79, 80 on a destroyer.

00:32:43.040 my kid brother spent i think 76 77 on a frigate in the persian gulf during the um tanker wars

00:32:51.100 when they had that situation i think 86 85 86 86 87 for a free to destroy a long time now 250 days

00:32:58.760 is a very long time but people got to put this in perspective um number one on on the debit side

00:33:05.220 i don't think people are being clear these these carriers are almost at least up until maybe the

00:33:12.460 last 30 days or so were continuous air ops the most dangerous place on earth you can be is on

00:33:20.100 a carrier deck during air operations and the air operations here of these carriers the uptempo

00:33:26.500 of these deployments has been extraordinary so the sailors of the lincoln i will also say if it's one

00:33:32.300 person overboard which it seems to me it's one person overboard they should get the navy achievement

00:33:39.260 medal for you because neil as you know in any deployment when you have that tempo of air

00:33:45.560 operations all night long on those carrier decks with the arresting gear and the catapults and

00:33:51.660 president trump just came out this morning with another issue that he is i can tell you very

00:33:57.420 focused on because very focused on the first term he came in i think was on true social no it has to

00:34:03.580 be steam catapults he does not want electronic catapults he he's got a belief as his analysis is

00:34:10.440 that uh steam catapults are the best and they they fail less so between the catapult systems

00:34:16.300 and the arresting gear the danger on the flight decks to lose one sailor and they've said all the

00:34:22.340 statistics are the the suicidal you know checking in with the with the medical the corpsman on the

00:34:28.860 ship is is down um and so i i think that look 250 days at sea is a long time and a carrier is like

00:34:36.740 a city but remember these sailors nelson's navy which the world navy was the greatest in the world

00:34:44.780 and the most effective until the navy the united states navy in the western pacific in world war

00:34:49.520 ii uh you wanted the crews were it was good if they were sullen not mutineous these crews have

00:34:56.560 not had the chance to go to the philippines or hong kong or singapore any of the great ports of

00:35:01.460 call are in the med all the great ports of call that the navy makes as part of the deployment

00:35:07.260 they haven't done it but at least from what i can see and what pete and the sencom is putting out

00:35:12.820 and the navy's putting out it seems to me a heroic uh deployment and uh of course you're going to

00:35:19.840 have tons of issues and tons of personnel issues particularly with the folks back home when you get

00:35:25.300 past seven eight nine ten months a year you know they've been separated many of these are young

00:35:31.760 families a lot of the the the moms uh you know are maybe struggling in the workplace because maybe

00:35:37.440 the jobs aren't great because they got kids so it's it's a it's it's very tough on the families

00:35:42.600 and particularly very tough on young families so neil walk us through what we actually know

00:35:47.380 because when i see this i think the command at the lincoln uh is is given the tough the difficulty

00:35:54.580 in the logistics uh tail and logistics is what this is kind of about you you add the up-tempo

00:36:02.180 air operations 24-7 you have the difficulty in logistics because bahrain is a little

00:36:08.060 the fifth fleet bahrain logistics and it's a little constrained because they do have the

00:36:13.040 missile and the drone issue i think what the command has done there and what the navy has

00:36:17.280 done there is nothing short of heroic sir your thoughts well i think you know

00:36:24.320 the sort of the rules change right when you lose sight of land and when you're at sea for a long

00:36:29.120 time i as a uh veteran of the coast guard i don't have any kind of sea time extended sea time that

00:36:36.780 maybe you or other you know navy sailors have but when you're gone you know once you start going 30

00:36:42.080 days at sea you know your mind starts to melt a little bit and it affects everybody and so the

00:36:47.240 idea that uss lincoln and it's uh the destroyers and everyone in that carrier group and really

00:36:53.800 there's two dozen warships in theater. They've been throwing lead down range at an op tempo that

00:37:00.500 has to absolutely terrify, you know, any hostile power looking at the Japanese, excuse me, the

00:37:06.960 Chinese should have four active aircraft carriers by the end of 28, but they're looking at what 0.65

00:37:13.000 we're doing and there's no way they can do the flight ops and everything else. And the logistics 1.00

00:37:18.460 piece, as you were talking about, with these two dozen ships, in the last month, USS Lincoln has

00:37:25.740 been visited twice by military sea lift command doing ship to ship replenishment. But that in

00:37:33.020 itself is very dangerous. There are sort of mini ports. They don't have the port facilities

00:37:37.840 that they have at Bahrain, but there are other ports. And the command at Bahrain is sending out

00:37:43.800 teams to sort of establish sort of makeshift logistics hubs. But, you know, if you put in

00:37:50.840 Lincoln and Oman at a port in Oman for 48 hours, you know, that's vulnerable too, because they're

00:37:56.580 all within range. So I think it's been, I think you're absolutely correct, but we, we have to

00:38:02.760 also address that there's a geopolitical element where the Iranians are looking at this super

00:38:09.880 carrier led blockade. And they're saying, why should we negotiate with these guys if their

00:38:15.740 blockade is going to crack? Well, OK, but let's go back to that. The reporting. And if we can get

00:38:22.620 up, I think the Daily Telegraph has got an amazing story. I mean, CNBC, Scott Besson is clearly

00:38:30.720 stepping in. The president's kind of designated, hey, during this time frame, Besson is going to

00:38:35.360 take a much bigger leadership role here economic warfare is going to come to the front the key

00:38:40.180 aspect they were trying to negotiate here at the end was to to lift the blockade to remove

00:38:47.160 the carrier battle groups from the Gulf of Oman and uh in the North Arabian Sea right outside the

00:38:53.480 Strait of Hormuz that this story really started to get legs over the weekend in fact I reached out

00:38:58.500 to Sobek right away because in the middle of the night you you heard these reports there had

00:39:03.500 actually been a riot on the Lincoln. In fact, there had been some sort of CENTCOM deputy had

00:39:08.140 gone, but there was many people injured, seven killed. And it came from, it was totally false,

00:39:13.720 totally phony, but it came from the Persian, you know, the Persians are very sophisticated 0.54

00:39:18.760 in social media and they're very sophisticated in propaganda, particularly in the region. 0.85

00:39:22.800 And then it metastasizes out. They want those carrier battle groups gone. They understand that

00:39:29.060 that is the uh the forcing function we have right now for economic warfare that the the navy can

00:39:35.620 lock down whatever comes in and out of her moves no oil out and that means no cash back in the

00:39:40.600 overland routes as powerful as they are and i think they ought to be shut down through pakistan 0.80

00:39:45.000 can't compare to what's going on what they have coming out neil so the persians understand what's 0.71

00:39:51.460 going on here so that's one of the reasons i think this thing is so worked up and of course

00:39:55.260 the american media the trump derangement syndrome and this shows you cnn and these people in all its

00:40:01.120 glory right can you if you go on board a ship a 5 000 man ship uh personnel ship you're clearly

00:40:09.980 going to have some sailors that are that are uh that are not happy and there's a saying in the

00:40:17.020 navy if they ain't bitching they're not happy right it's just it's just the reality of life at

00:40:21.580 sea and look these sailors are the best in the world in fact sometimes when they're bitching is

00:40:26.220 when they're doing their best work and what the lincoln has done i just want people to put this

00:40:30.280 in perspective not only is it 250 days with no port calls at sea but i'm my calculation is 75

00:40:38.840 or 80 percent of that time has been almost 24 hour a day air ops you're essentially at general

00:40:43.920 quarters right and and and you're not you know you're not just going about your daily routine

00:40:49.380 You're actually in a combat situation and they've had some incoming. So it's heroic what they've done.

00:40:54.280 I think the media here jumped on the Persian propaganda and have all of a sudden just gone in and do this.

00:41:00.800 Now, the reality, Neil, talk to me about this, is that clearly the rotation of Lincoln is an issue.

00:41:07.300 And I believe they've determined. I don't know if it's been announced, but I think the scuttlebutt is and some of the news reporting is that the carrier that is on patrol,

00:41:15.780 essentially in the western pacific and around taiwan uh is is going to be heading through the

00:41:20.980 straits of malacca and actually relieve the lincoln uh on station sir

00:41:25.300 yes steve uh uss george washington and its its carrier group was seen through the strait of

00:41:34.260 malacca heading towards the iranian theater and so the speculation was that uss theater

00:41:40.700 Theodore Roosevelt would be the relief ship and its strike force. And that's something that

00:41:47.920 Secretary Cao said to family members last week. But Roosevelt is just coming off of RIMPAC.

00:41:55.020 It also has some sort of other things it has to do in port. And so it won't, it wouldn't be in

00:42:00.320 theater till late September or October, whereas USS Washington is already underway. It's home

00:42:07.140 supported in japan and so they're just making that big turn i guess west

00:42:12.080 um neil can you hang on at the white house we're gonna take a short commercial break when

00:42:19.280 economic warfare is going to come to the uh is going to come to the forefront um and scott

00:42:26.540 bessett is according to the daily telegraph and cnbc and other news sources i think the wall

00:42:30.660 street journal is going to be the lead of that effort so we'll follow that quite closely the

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00:45:39.660 you do it today get up to speed paul renner joins us from florida former speaker of the house

00:45:46.100 currently running in the republican primary which is on tuesday paul real quickly uh you're a former

00:45:52.180 surface warfare officer and if memory serves me i think as a young ensign jg you spent some time

00:45:57.840 in the Persian Gulf and the North Arabian Sea.

00:46:00.260 You can empathize with the sailors on the Lincoln?

00:46:04.380 Absolutely.

00:46:05.060 A buddy of mine said war, the best word for war is deprivation.

00:46:08.000 You know, no sleep, no significant other near you to cuddle and, you know, all that.

00:46:11.980 It's nonstop, as you pointed out, like general quarters.

00:46:14.560 These guys are going 24-7, literally on watch at every hour of every day, fighting the fight.

00:46:20.560 You've lived that life, Steve, and so have I.

00:46:22.900 That's why we honor our veterans each and every day.

00:46:25.180 paul uh you're you're putting yourself out for the folks in florida having been the speaker to say

00:46:34.300 hey i want to be on watch and actually relieve the watch and follow ron desantis give us your

00:46:39.220 vision what are the two or three things that you feel need to happen to keep florida the free state

00:46:43.860 of florida a state that is on a tear i mean you talk about a place that is on a roll florida is

00:46:50.360 it uh what what's your vision well look we're a victim of our success so affordability is front

00:46:56.520 and center i'm the only one with a plan you can't pass platitudes but you can pass a plan i'm the

00:47:01.120 only one with a plan to eliminate homestead property taxes reduce insurance 10 to 20 percent

00:47:05.900 those homeowners insurance rates that are so high and lower electric rates and i'll tell you a

00:47:10.380 couple there's a couple sleeper issues too people are concerned about the growth of islam in our 0.96

00:47:14.120 state i just like you we we were told you have to fight them abroad so we don't have to fight them 0.97

00:47:19.020 here at home and now they're growing we see the islamification of europe and it's coming to 0.92

00:47:23.620 america we have to fight and i've been steely-eyed about stopping them in their tracks no enclaves 1.00

00:47:28.680 no money going to sharia law no uh slaughterhouses no care muslim brotherhood these are some sleeper 0.97

00:47:35.400 issues that voters talk to me about and i've been very bold and saying we'll stop the green threat 0.98

00:47:40.040 as well as the red threat of china people are concerned rightly that they're coming in to 1.00

00:47:43.860 undermine our country so those are several of the issues that we're fighting here on and the free 1.00

00:47:48.600 state of florida i was a key architect in building it we're going to keep it going

00:47:51.860 it's interesting because the media even the political media doesn't pick up i see

00:47:57.620 oftentimes what's on the top of voters minds you do town halls you shake a lot of hands you talk

00:48:02.460 to people but when you talk to people down there data centers come up uh the electric the whole

00:48:07.940 situation with the power commission down there and the solar power what's actually happening

00:48:12.300 rates are exploding the issue of uh islamification sharia law uh talk to us about that talk to us

00:48:19.400 what what are voters telling you their priorities are we just talked about the islamification 0.96

00:48:24.480 people whisper that and they come up and say thank you so much for telling the truth they're afraid

00:48:28.560 to speak up i'm not you're not uh you've been great on that issue and and so uh let's talk

00:48:33.340 about data centers no clear conflict between the candidates byron is all in he just said the other

00:48:38.480 day by iron donalds did we're not going to have any bands here in florida uh if i'm governor we

00:48:42.840 will we're going to stop that at the state level because they will damage our aquifer they will

00:48:47.280 raise our electric rates these are big electric and water hogs and we're going to get that done 0.58

00:48:52.780 another candidate says it has to be done locally but you know the aquifer doesn't know county

00:48:56.520 boundaries the grid doesn't know county boundaries we have to do this we'll do it on day one actually

00:49:02.200 that affordability special session to stop data centers and you talked about solar fields again

00:49:07.080 that's the problem with our electric reforms that we need to have is that they're investing all in

00:49:11.540 on these solar farms or solar fields that are not the cheapest way to deliver electricity coal natural

00:49:18.080 gas nuclear is better we're dependent on china for those solar panels and it's not reliable when the 0.94

00:49:23.300 sun goes down it's not providing power and so we need to fight that special interest that's figured

00:49:28.480 out how to work the green new scam and fleece florida rate payers and we'll stop it when i'm

00:49:34.520 governor. Paul, this data centers is a pretty defining issue when you talk to folks down there.

00:49:41.940 Explain to people how you're going to, because the argument against you is that, oh,

00:49:47.340 he's a decelerationist. He doesn't want economic growth. He doesn't want Florida to be a tech

00:49:52.340 center. What's your response to that since you've taken a pretty hard line on the data centers? How

00:49:56.700 do you respond to that criticism? Well, there's all kinds of tech, all kinds of business that I

00:50:01.620 will welcome and go around the country and the world to bring to Florida to provide high-paying

00:50:06.360 jobs. The difference, as you know, is unlike all those other options like semiconductors and

00:50:12.200 everything else, is these facilities are massive, massive hogs of electricity. We're talking about 0.98

00:50:18.540 one facility, the equivalent of 700,000 to 800,000 people. And same thing with water. They need huge

00:50:25.720 amounts of water to cool those facilities. Our aquifer, and here's what I'd say, if you're a

00:50:30.120 pro data center. We've got to beat China. I get it, but not in the state of Florida, because

00:50:34.200 unlike states, blue states that are emptying out, have extra grid capacity, have extra water to

00:50:39.220 provide, Florida is tapped out. We have a grid that's already under stress. We have an aquifer

00:50:44.480 under stress. It's just not a good place to put these data centers. And so I am a hard no. And

00:50:50.300 this is a defining issue on the ballot. If you want them, vote for Byron Donaldson. If you don't

00:50:54.600 want them. The only one to vote for is Paul Renner. Is your position right now, you're saying

00:51:01.560 you're the only candidate out there that's got a real plan to stop these data centers, that the

00:51:07.060 other two are, at least Collins and Byron, are pro-big tech, pro-data center? Well, Byron is

00:51:16.100 absolutely pro-data center. He's been funded $5 million and counting by a group that was founded

00:51:21.640 by Chuck Schumer liberal allies. And so he's definitely all in for data centers. Jay Collins

00:51:28.040 sponsored a bill to extend tax breaks and was talking specifically about the need to attract

00:51:33.520 hyperscale data centers just a year ago. Now the winds have shifted and he's saying, well,

00:51:37.740 make it a local control issue. But as I described, it's not a local issue. The aquifer doesn't know

00:51:43.040 county boundaries. The electric grid, it doesn't stop at the county line. This is a statewide

00:51:47.860 solution. So I'm really the only candidate with a plan. I know what to do. I was former Speaker

00:51:52.420 of the House. We can get this done, not in the first 100 days, in the first 10 days. And that's

00:51:56.760 affordability special session that will encompass those things. Also take on immigration. That's a

00:52:02.060 major driver of unaffordability here in the state of Florida. It's a supply and demand issue. We've

00:52:06.920 got to get after and continue the great work of this governor to support the president and

00:52:11.000 immigration enforcement. Paul, where do people go to find out where they can meet you on the

00:52:16.660 campaign to find out more issues and if, uh, where you stand and if they want to hit you with a,

00:52:20.780 a $20 bill. Yeah. Well, don't hit me with a $20 bill. Cause that ended at midnight last night. I

00:52:26.980 got it. It reminds me to turn off that donate button if they haven't already, but, uh, they

00:52:31.280 can help us at vote runner.com and I'll volunteer follow us on social media, you know, share at this

00:52:36.460 point, this point is getting the word out. We have, uh, we're the fast galloping horse. So we

00:52:40.620 know we have momentum where that takes us. We'll hope we hope is victory on Tuesday and much of

00:52:45.440 this election still outstanding. So share with your friends. We have people converting dozens

00:52:49.720 a day. We're hearing anecdotally people leaving the Donald's camp or the Collins camp coming our

00:52:54.520 way. We're the ones to do it. Let's have victory on Tuesday. Paul, thank you so much. Good luck on

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Bannon's War Room - August 14, 2026

Episode 5589： Rising Up Against Accelerationist AI

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