AI Gives Men X-Ray Glasses： How Will Women & Gender Roles Adapt？
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the growing problem of sex workers in the 21st century, and how AI is changing the way we think about sex and sex work in general. We talk about the dangers of sex work, and the implications for the future of AI and sex workers, and what we can do about it.
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Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be doing a follow
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on to an episode we did recently. And what we're going to really dive deep into is what is going
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to happen to the world of sex work as AI continues to develop. Specifically, there's been a number
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of controversies recently that make it, and this is like realizationally changing in terms of
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society. We live in a world today where if you're talking about young women, 8% of young women in
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the United States get an income from OnlyFans, you know, like have an OnlyFans account. So about
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1 in 10 people you see just walking around has an OnlyFans account, right? Beats door dashing. I
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mean, yeah. I think most men would be doing this if they could. Yeah. Yeah. Would I do an OnlyFans
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if I could? I mean, I guess. Not at this age, not at this like level of public profile, but like when
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I was younger, I would have. Money, money, dude. I mean, well, and when people consider and they're
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like, well, the indignity, the humiliation, have you looked at so many jobs? You know, have you
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considered working for the DMV? Like the things that people go through in respectable jobs,
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but what their subject, look at what people are shouting at ICE agents, people who work for the U.S.
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government, they're taking out their seasonal depression disorder or whatever, seasonal affective
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disorder on these poor people. Like, no, of course you want to be on OnlyFans. OnlyFans is, people are
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nice to you there, okay? They may be asking you to take your shirt off, but they're nice about it,
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you know? I mean, it's not going to try to run you over, you know? Yeah, they're not throwing frozen
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water bottles at you. That's nice. They're not protesting outside your hotel all night, trying to keep
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you awake, and calling them constantly, trying to get your figure out into the snow. And that's nice.
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But so, so to continue from here, the wider point being is if you look at stuff like there's
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obviously the controversy recently where Grok can undress people, right? Like you put your picture
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up on X and somebody else would say, undress him. And then people complain. They're like, this is
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horrible. So Elon's like, okay, okay, okay. I'll, I'll put it behind a paywall. God bless. I just,
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I love him. That's fantastic the way he handles things. Cause what a sad world if he's taking that
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away. I've actually never done it yet. I, I should do that. I want to see how good it actually is.
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We haven't even talked with Annie yet. Oh yeah. I haven't even tried there. Well,
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because ours is just so much better. We do actually use, so our fab.ai, our chatbot engine
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does use Grok as its main engine. But the reason we don't do that on the Grok site is if you do it on
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the Grok site, the AI outputs aren't as editable. They aren't re-rollable. They aren't as modifiable.
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Well, they're not, the personality isn't that fun. So it's just, it's just a couple characters and
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you're stuck with those characters. So, you know, unless you're some weird dedicated fan of that
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character, what's the point? We can literally, oh, we need to make an Amelia. We need to make an
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Amelia. An Amelia. We have to. Oh my God. Hold on. I'm going to make a thing here. We all,
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you have to. I'm excited. Oh, I'm so excited. Our fab is going to have an Amelia. Okay. Sorry.
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Oh my God. Yes. We're making an Amelia. Yeah. And, and we'll make it so that you can do the,
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so we have an audio chat feature that you can use on your phone. So you just press a button and talk
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with her. She'll radicalize you. Watch out. Yeah. For people who don't know what we're laughing
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about was Amelia. This game went viral called the Pathways and Amelia, it was by the British
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government meant to like bring it on. It was by the propaganda arm of a UK city. Yeah.
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No, no, no. It would, there was a, not, not exactly. So the British government has a propaganda
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arm that they call an anti-terrorism arm. And then it was subcontracted by a city to make this game.
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Long story short, they're like showing it at schools and stuff. And this, this girl who has like
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center-right opinions about like, you know, preserving British culture and stuff like that is painted as a
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villain, but she's like gothy. The cute gothy with purple hair. Yeah. And people call her an art
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slut. And I actually think that this says something, and I'm going to talk more about it in the episode
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that's going to come before this, that she has become a right-wing figure, I think shows how the
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aesthetics of what the right thinks is attractive have changed. And that you can now be hot on the
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right. And just be a straight counterculture as well. Right. Like you don't need to be the,
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you know, overly dressed up traditional trad wife. I mean, look at my, my wife, for example,
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she dresses like a, I don't know, a medieval woman. That's what I would call her lesbian.
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I do not think any cottage court lesbian dresses like that. You dress up much more. Like I read a lot
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of Mahas, which, which take place. People know this, like my Korean villainous reborn stories that
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are like on, on mobile apps. And you dress like a character from one of those. Yeah. I mean,
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because I'm wearing like under this apron, 16th, 17th, 16th century stays made in Ukraine or something.
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But what I'm pointing out is that's like, that's like eccentric, right? But what we'll get to
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the point I'm making here. And I actually think this is a really interesting thing to die into
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because the left is, is freaking out about this. A lot of sex workers are freaking out about this
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because you can create, and there's like already sex workers with one particular instance that I
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found really interesting. One SMEX worker, she created, she moved from her real body and she was
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not like unattractive or anything to completely AI generated stuff. And she said, it's a 4X increase
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in revenue. So we're, well, she could probably increase her output significantly. And also like
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the images that you make of yourself that are AI, just look better. Like they're, they're just more
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Well, and a lot of people can't tell. And the big problem is that people think they can tell.
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And we're now in a situation where, and people will be like, well, it's not as high quality.
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And we're like, oh my God, all the poop, all the poop.
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Okay. So I'll keep going. So a lot of people say, well, there's always going to be room for people
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who are like higher touch and putting in more effort and putting in et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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Sorry. I couldn't hear you before. Now I can hear you.
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So some people are going to say that there's always going to be room for people who are higher
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touch and putting in more effort and for that personalized experience, right?
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Even if AI, I'd argue that's probably not the case. And what I'd argue to point this out
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is a A-list piece that she did ages ago. That was just absolutely fascinating. We actually have
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an episode on this piece. And I think it's one of our more interesting episodes where she wrote a
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piece where she decided to subscribe to one of the really high end account, understand how they were
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making money. Oh, actually I'll say that differently. One of the high end Monely fans accounts to try to
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decide how they were making money and, or figure it out. And, and so she tried to get like the experience
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of, of, you know, a guy on that. Like, what is it like, how are they milking them, et cetera.
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Yeah. And she noticed that one thing that they would do is they would send something to a guy
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and be like, I'm feeling horny now or something like that. Right. You know, or I'm looking to do
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X now. And it would be a really obvious like setup, right? Like nobody would believe that this is just
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like somebody around the house. They're like in like a Santa costume or something. And like,
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yeah. And like a, clearly it was a set. Yeah. Just sitting here in my slutty Santa costume.
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Yeah. But, but it created like a, a perception or illusion for the guy that like, this is just
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for them. But like, she's like, anyone would know that this wasn't just for them.
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Yeah. They're working real hard on that suspension of discipline.
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They charge you like really small amounts for individual pieces of content until you get to the
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last piece of content. And that's like the, the orgasm scene or something like that. And then
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then she's, and then they charge like quite a bit for that, like $20 or something or like $50 or
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something. I guess. Cause it's like, well, now, now you've sunk costs. Like you're already in this
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deep, right. You're at the end, right. You're already turned on, you know, you got to go through
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to the very, I thought, but what she pointed out is that, and this really got her. And this is why
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I love how autistic Ayla is. Is she's like, the, the sun didn't even match the time of day when I
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was kidding me. Right. And she's like, it made no sense. It was very obviously all pre-recorded.
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Yeah. But I think what she uncovered while she was doing this, right. Is that this is what always
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gets me about Ayla. She always expects the world to just be like rational. Like she tries hanging
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out in left-wing spaces and it's like, well, I'm just saying what's true about trans people. Why am
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I being attacked? Yeah. Like we all know this, don't we? But anyway, pointed out that actually,
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if you look at the really high earners on a lot of these platforms, they are giving an almost,
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I don't want to say intentionally, but really aggressively unpersonalized, unhigh touch experience
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for individuals. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And we need to think about when people are like,
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oh, nobody would use fake women for this. And keep in mind, even if you're like, oh, I can tell today
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when something's AI, maybe. Bad to pay problem. You can only see it when it's bad AI and you don't know
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all the time. But you're not, you're not going to know in five years. You're not going to know in
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10 years. Okay. Like get with it, buddy. You, you, you know, this as well as I do. Right. And so we're,
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we're entering a world where, oh, sorry, I was going to say. And so what is, you know, people say,
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well, people will only really ever want to get off to real women. Right. That's, that's the response
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here. Which is, I want to do here because hentai as a genre would not exist if there wasn't a big
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audience of people that was actively turned off by live action erotic material. Yeah. Well, I want
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to, I want to talk about that. I want to talk about, because clearly there's still an audience
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for live action. And the reason I have to go into A-list stuff to find out when OnlyFans is because I
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just have no interest in something like that. I can't even imagine wanting to like, did any sort of
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like emotional investment in something that is for turning you on? Like why? For me, it's not just
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that. It's also that I would have to pay for it. And I've wanted to, for a long time, do an episode
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on like, is there an OnlyFans experience for women? Like if I signed on with a female account as a
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consumer, what would I find? I'm very curious, but I just like, I'm like, oh God, I don't, I don't want
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to. That's the problem. I don't want to. Yeah. Well, we'll think about that for a second as well. But
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the, the, what I was moving to over here, and we'll talk about this later, is how much this
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actually disempowers women in society. But before we get to that, I wanted to come to the point about
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arousal and people saying, oh, nobody would use, you know, fake pictures of women and stuff like
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that. I actually think that using fake pictures of women is going to hugely jump in, in favor to, I
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think, be the dominant form of live action porn. And I will explain why for a few reasons. So first of
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I'll keep in mind, if you are a person who is using pornography, right? You are already like
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that entire system. It like, why does it feel good? Why do the things that arouse you feel good?
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Right? Like they feel good because they helped your ancestors reproduce. All of those systems are
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designed to get you to reproduce, right? To get you to secure a partner and then do the thing that
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causes that partner to make babies that carry your genes to the next generation and your culture to
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the next generation. And you might have some cultural adaptations like, oh, well, you should
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have some resistance against pornography because that doesn't actually help, right? But the point
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here being is you, you are already subverting the entire system by being online and using
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corn, right? Right? Like you, you are already subverting everything here. So if you're already
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subverting the entire arousal system's intentionality, why is the additional layer of subversion so bad?
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Right? The second thing is, is if you consider that the way AI works and keep in mind, AI gets better
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constantly, right? Like you can't easily do this with AI now, but I think it's very obvious that we will
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soon be in a world where you can do this with AI is that you are going to be able to request the
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scenarios that you want exactly what you want. Like whatever turns you on most, you're going to be
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able to ask for a video of that thing and that will be delivered to you. That highly targeted
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experience. Yeah. And of course people are going to want that. And don't forget, even if let's say
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on average, you have a website or something, you're trying to monetize
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a video and one was live action and one was AI generated. Let's say the live action one,
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you know, generates like, or it converts 50 or even 100% better. It's still, it costs so much
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more to make the production, the crew, the set. And keep in mind that if you're filming this stuff
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in the United States, you have to get the, the STD testing. You have to get the consent forms.
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There are lawyers involved. There are calls, like there's just so much bloat and additional cost
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that even if it performs maybe even up to like 10 times better in terms of click throughs and paying,
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like to actually get that to still present a positive ROI, it's not worth it. You're still
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going to make more money off of the AI ones. You're just not bothered to make, to make.
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And the next thing to note here is if people are like, well, at the very least, there will always
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be a market for like in-person real sex. Right. And to which I point out, first of all, that's
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illegal in most places. So it's, it's, it's a harder market to do regardless. Although more and
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more people I think have been finding like online ways to do that. But the, the bigger challenge with
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that is that if you look at younger generations, all of the trends that I'm seeing would indicate
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that they desire this dramatically less than older generations. And you have a number of
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compounding variables that are, that are causing this basically sex cliff. You don't just have the
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amount of sex that they're having dropping off a cliff because that is happening, but it's, it's the
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amount of all vices that they're engaging in. The amount of alcohol young people consume is
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dramatically lower than previous generations. Yeah. The amount of, of, of just most vices is
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way down. And, and, and I think it's just because they, they, we grew up in an era where that stuff
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was genuinely lauded. Like that in the, in the TV shows that was like labeled as cool. That is what
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cool kids do. Right. Like, and I know it's what cool kids do because dare told me not to do it.
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Right. The same way dare told me not to be a racist these days. And so now all the young cool kids
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are going out there trying to be like performatively racist, right? Like, so you in,
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and, and adults are like, go out there and sleep with everyone. Like your parents said to you growing,
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you know, they're like, go, go party, go out, do stuff. And you're like, I don't want to,
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I want to stay in. I want to work. But so young kids, or where are they going with this? They're
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not, they're not consuming this stuff anymore. And it's likely a trend that's going to continue.
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I'd be very surprised if we saw it move in the other direction again after this, right? Like I,
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everybody gets that, but you've also got to drop in testosterone in younger males,
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which, you know, causes them to want to go out and consume these types of content. Right.
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So that's also like lowering you then have, as Simone talked about, you know, you already have
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drawn alternatives to a lot of pornography right now, right. Or a lot of porn right now that are
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very popular online. However, I do not think that like those are as relevant in this discussion
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outside of all of the furry artists that are going to lose their job. And those furry artists
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are big mad. Like if you look at like their community, they're one of the angriest communities
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about AI generated content because so many people in that community made money by creating, you know,
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smut basically. There's been a lot of people who created like this, this, this stuff.
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Yeah. And then specifically because the people who consumed it really just, there was no other
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place where you could get it from these specialized people because your average artists would never,
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ever draw that. There are no photos of this because it can't happen. Like a lot of these are for
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arousal pathways that are extremely, like, yeah, like extremely, yeah, yeah. That's as they call them
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or whatever, you know, like very unusual arousal pathways that are not things that you like in real
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life. You can't be a, I mean, and this is the thing, like some people can dress up as a fox and
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I guess that's enough for them, but I suspect for a lot of people was that kind of arousal pathway or
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something like that. They don't actually feel enough, like whatever it is that they're trying
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to mimic by wearing a big, ridiculous costume for that to actually effectively engage that particular
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arousal pathway. But if you, if you draw it, you know, and you look at, oh, this is,
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this is me as this, as a drawing, right. Those can be made to look much more, I think like arousing
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to people, like more close to a human or something that could really exist. Yeah. But that's where AI
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becomes even superior to that. Right. Because now I can just drop in my avatar, right. Into an AI
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system and say, okay, animate this. Right. Like I can do that with Grop, just like animate that first.
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Oh yeah. I forgot that like Grop can animate things for you too. Or like you see an image
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and you're like, that's hot. And then you could get it animated now.
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Oh, okay. You know, I'm going to do this right now for this episode for our fans. Let's do a,
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a Simone as a, what, what animal, what would your fursona be if you had a fursona?
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I don't, I don't know. I, oh yeah, I put one in.
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Great. Thanks. See that, this is how Malcolm sees me. He's not like, oh, it's a beautiful
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gazelle. It's a white furred fox. It's a, no, it's a honey badger.
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No, this comes from me asking an AI what it thought the anthro fursonas, if we lived in a
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world where like people were animals of Malcolm and Simone Collins would be. And it picked honey
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badger for her and then wolf or fox for me. So it's not my perception. It's the world's perception,
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Simone. There is an anime where the main character is a human female, like anthro honey badger
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Yeah. They're also like, yeah, I guess goo girls. Anime manages to make every kind of
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Yeah. But the point being is it's I'll try to do a little animation here so people can
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see like how good the technology is already, but you can now with this sort of technology,
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even if you use like on like rfab.ai, for example, we started doing advertisements that
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like our platform and it's doing uniquely well in furry communities and like sites. And I think
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part of that is because you can go into these environments and create an anthro furry world
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and inhabit that world. Right. You know, be like, I'm going to do X next. I'm going to do
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Well, but I would also argue and people, I think a lot of people learned about this for the first
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time because of ironically or weirdly, I guess that the Charlie Kirk shooting, because he
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wrote notices bulges on the, one of the bullet casings.
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The shooter did. And that is in reference to a lot of the basically text-based role-playing
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that took place in furry communities for a very long time, which also makes them uniquely
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well-suited for AI based chatbot chats or narrative builders, because already just with other
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humans, they've been doing that. So they're kind of like the culture is there. The, the
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precedent is there. So chat apps work really, really well for furry culture because furry
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culture has been working with text-based role-play for a super long time. If that makes sense.
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Oh, Dex is dressed like a, well, not really, but he's a bear.
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You bought ears and tails for all of our children.
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They like them. They think they're, they're fun.
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Are you trying to, are you trying to, to furry if I?
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I actually don't know. If furries had been big when I was young, would I have been like,
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this is interesting and I want to get involved in this?
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I think not because I think that they're too smelly and weird. Like I, I went to a conference
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one and it was so smelly. Like I didn't buy tickets or anything. I just, yeah, one of the
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largest used to be right across from the office I worked at in San Jose. Um, I went just to
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see like what it was like one of the days that was being hosted. And it is, I mean, those
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costumes, it makes sense. Like, first of all, these are bad hygiene to begin with. And then
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they're in these costumes all day. And then some of them even have a, uh, you know, a
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turn on around smelling weird. Um, and so just everything is soaked in this horrible smell.
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Well, what smelled worse? Vibe camp or fur con?
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And vibe camp was like a Twitter convention and it smelled horrible.
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But it was also July in like a camp, an outdoor campsite and it was like 90 degrees. So
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I have a bunch of effective altruists from X. I think, I think I know,
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why it smelled that way. But no, the point here being is this in terms of society, I think for a
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long time, women have had this enormous amount of power over men to the, to the point where like
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the idea of a film cell people were like, that's not even like a thing, like a female who desires
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sexual access. She just needs to lower her standards, right? Like she can get sexual access.
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She just needs to lower her standards, right? What she means to say is I can't get sexual access
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with my preferred partner type. And that's most living people on earth. That is not you. You're
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just more stubborn than other people. But the, the, for men, when they say it, they mean, I can't get
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sexual access at all. Right. If we're entering a world and, and, and women use that, they use that
00:23:05.140
to get favors for men. They use that to, to get all sorts of things for men. And as erotic material
00:23:12.640
became more common, that really broke a lot of the power that women had in society. If you look
00:23:18.760
at the people who advocate against that stuff, the hardest, it's usually women. And it's usually
00:23:23.640
women who are losing power as a result of that. But as we enter a world where if somebody has a
00:23:29.300
photograph of you, they have a photograph that they can make a naked photograph of you, which is just
00:23:34.500
true going forwards. And then they can. And I thought that South Park did a very good job of this,
00:23:40.020
where they show the kids in school and the kids are like, even, even before, like, you know,
00:23:45.720
this is sexualized or anything. They're like, Oh, I took a picture of Kyle. And then I made like
00:23:51.140
Mickey mouse pooping in his mouth or something. It's like a video. It's like, you know, it's a
00:23:55.540
humiliation thing for other kids. Excuse me. Is your name Kyle? Oh, wow. It's Goopy Dog.
00:24:03.640
Hey, Goopy Dog. Yeah, I'm Kyle. You know what? I'm going to take it in your mouth.
00:24:09.120
Oh, no, Goopy Dog. Don't my mouth. Bad dog. Here it comes.
00:24:19.840
Dude, what the hell? You see? The girls did one about you now.
00:24:23.860
This is going to be common throughout schools for our kids growing up. This is going to be
00:24:28.900
their lives is kids transforming things with AIs and then, you know, spreading it or showing it to
00:24:36.060
them or showing it to them as a way of, of, of mocking them because it's, it's frankly a very
00:24:40.920
effective way to do that. But I want to hear your thoughts more broadly. How do you think this
00:24:45.820
changes society as sex work becomes increasingly unviable for women? How do you think that's true?
00:24:51.840
Because all women have sort of had like a card, an advantage in society, which was
00:24:56.040
their body, their sexual access, the woman card, right? Yeah, but there's, there's still a hot
00:25:02.480
commodity. There is an arbitrage opportunity that is not, it's very, very obvious that obviously we
00:25:09.520
would be aware of too. We, especially given our advocacy and that shows up in the polling data.
00:25:14.640
And when you look at polling data in terms of values in life and what men and women want that are
00:25:19.900
quite different is children. Men want children. And there are two really big things that are going
00:25:26.960
to happen with the rise of AI. One, I think, and I'm not the only one to predict this, men are going
00:25:33.620
to disproportionately benefit in the job market because they're more willing to do risky, unknown,
00:25:40.060
independent things, which is really kind of what you're going to need to succeed in a post AI world,
00:25:44.520
either by like going into the trades or by starting AI based startups on your own, building your own
00:25:50.340
solutions. And like big bureaucracies and corporations are just going to have fewer
00:25:55.720
available roles. And that's what historically women who've entered the workforce have really
00:25:59.780
excelled at dominating. So there's going to be an increasing number of women who are going to
00:26:04.840
discover that, okay, well, one, it's a lot harder for me to find a job that is easy and comfortable
00:26:10.400
for me. And, oh, I can't go into OF work or something similar because now AI is such a strong
00:26:18.880
alternative for men who are interested in something like that. And so what I think a lot of women are
00:26:23.360
going to do is choose to become like wives. Their career is going to be, I'm going to become a wife.
00:26:29.980
And the arbitrage opportunity is if you are a woman who is willing to marry and raise children for a man,
00:26:35.120
because men are still very interested in having children and certainly not disinterested, I think,
00:26:41.340
from having wives and families, then they will have their career and their advantage. So I think
00:26:46.720
what ultimately is going to happen is something quite wholesome. Is it women discovering that
00:26:50.880
one, the state can't basically take care of them anymore as demographic collapse plays out and states
00:26:58.080
just literally can't afford the social services that have been supporting single women historically.
00:27:02.580
And two, they discover they can't really get jobs. They're going to turn once again to homemaking
00:27:07.680
as a career. But there's not going to be, I mean, if that happens, what I suspect will also become
00:27:13.900
normalized is having lots of wives. Because not all men are going to have the money to support that,
00:27:18.400
right? But women, I think are going to be pretty okay with that. I mean, in the past, it isn't,
00:27:25.320
there's a very established historical precedent for that being common, either out in the open or
00:27:30.260
just barely beneath the surface. So I wouldn't be shocked at all if that were the case.
00:27:36.860
I also would not be shocked if right-wing communities adopted that more. We go into the
00:27:45.380
sort of biblical arguments around it in the episode, How Romans Made the Jews Monogamous,
00:27:51.080
where we point out that there are some lines in the Bible that could be used to argue for monogamy,
00:27:58.880
but there are only some, and most of them have wiggle outs here or there. There's a lot of cases
00:28:05.840
in the Bible of people having multiple wives. And so we go over how that norm became a norm within
00:28:11.320
Christianity. But the point being is there's a reason why most sort of extreme Christian factions
00:28:15.440
always end up becoming polygamous or something like that, just because it's not that hard to argue
00:28:20.480
out of it from a biblical perspective. So you could even see it within more conservative communities.
00:28:24.640
I mean, do you agree? Do I agree? I don't know. I think you might be right. Like,
00:28:31.880
if women lose the ability to sell their bodies on an open stage, right, they've got to sell the only
00:28:39.180
asset they have left, which is their wombs, right? But if it turns out that artificial womb
00:28:47.700
technology is good and inexpensive. You still have to raise a kid. You still have to raise a kid.
00:28:53.080
It's going to take a while. I mean, a lot of people are like, 2026 is going to be the year
00:28:57.980
of Optimus. And they've been to Elon's factories and they're like, you have no idea, like what's
00:29:03.340
coming. So I understand that robotics is going to see a renaissance. It's just, I think it's going
00:29:09.360
to take a while before we get to the point where you can have an affordable robot raised children
00:29:17.060
that are produced in an artificial womb. And I think we are at the very least seven years away
00:29:24.960
from artificial wombs that are accessible to wealthy people. And that's wealthy people. So I
00:29:31.600
wouldn't hold your breath. If you want to have kids now, you're good. I think we're seven years away
00:29:36.000
from the entire, you know, industry falling apart. Right. Like, yeah, no, no, no. Yeah. This is not
00:29:40.780
an immediate thing. Although it's already starting to crumble. No, we're already seeing instances
00:29:45.980
where, as I pointed out, where top streamers and stuff like that are using this and their audience
00:29:51.520
is not balking at it in the way that I think people want people to. There's the, there's the
00:29:57.100
annoying loud person who always comes out and says, nobody's going to want that. Who would want that?
00:30:01.320
And, and just so people know, like, I'm very transparent about myself with this stuff. When
00:30:06.580
I say something like, you know, I've never, I've never even been to OnlyFans, actually. I've never
00:30:11.140
even tried to like type in the URL and go to it. Yeah, actually. But I, uh, to, to, to reveal
00:30:17.980
something to make it clear, like I'm not trying to hide stuff. I actually just strictly prefer the AI
00:30:22.700
stuff to non AI stuff. You've been, you've been pretty transparent about this. And I, I don't know if I
00:30:27.980
have too, but like, I have actually seen a lot of live action corn because
00:30:33.240
The other interesting thing about AI stuff was in like drawn, like the whole
00:30:38.060
Should I sign in with Google? Is that a bad idea?
00:30:41.620
No, it's not a bad idea. I'll sign in with Google. Okay.
00:30:44.440
Go, go all in. No, you know? So if you, if you go to the sites where this stuff is listed,
00:30:50.800
entirely new styles are starting to become popular, like artistic styles based on AI.
00:30:56.440
Oh, just of, of erotic material or just in. Yeah. Like it used to be things were either
00:31:02.140
in like an anime style or a Western cartoon style or like a few others that they could
00:31:07.900
be in. And now there's like pure AI style, which is really interesting.
00:31:12.020
It, they, it's like a social media feed. What? Yeah. It's like, and it's like tennis and
00:31:18.220
like, yeah. And it looks like I can, I can post a new post is the top of it. I'm so confused.
00:31:27.020
And where can I, can I like set my preferences? How to look promotional posts, profile banners.
00:31:33.540
I'm so, I guess. Did you say you were a woman when you were signing in? Is that what?
00:31:37.080
No, I just, I just, I just created my, I just signed in with Google.
00:31:41.620
So I think I can become a creator. I have to add my cards, my profile. Yeah. Can I,
00:31:47.920
can I state that I'm a woman so that I get. Like, does it like give you a special treatment?
00:31:52.140
I want you to like have a, have a thing. I will build this in one of our apps one days
00:31:56.780
where when you're clicking your gender, if you click woman, it like spurts out confetti. It like,
00:32:02.600
you just won an award. Yeah. Like I should be able to set like that. I'm a woman and
00:32:07.160
congrats on living life in the tutorial mode. Oh yeah. So on your edit profile page,
00:32:12.700
you can set your username, display name, bio, location, website, URL, Amazon wishlist. So
00:32:19.540
that's fun. Subscription price, Spotify account and things you like your web three avatar NFTs.
00:32:28.820
NFTs. I love they're like already scared. And they're like, this is how you do here.
00:32:32.280
I know they're going for it, but there's nowhere here where I can set my gender. How does it?
00:32:37.060
No, no, no, no. Hold on. I, I want, I want to believe they have like a one click, like crypto
00:32:40.500
dump scheme. It's like, this is how you do a token dump.
00:32:44.120
Do you want to do a crypto scam? And you click it. It's like, yes. It's like, congratulations.
00:32:53.800
I'm so confused. Where are they already started a crypto scam around that Annie character from
00:32:59.500
the game pathways? There's already an Annie token. Yeah. Yeah. Amelia. Amelia. Amelia. Yeah.
00:33:05.400
Oh my God. I just had an idea. What? You could use our fab to create an Amelia that people can
00:33:13.000
interact with on only fans as like a novelty thing and see if people buy into that. Actually,
00:33:19.400
Simone, this is how we make a lot of money. An experiment for this channel. Do you want to try
00:33:24.240
to create an Amelia account? On only fans? Yeah. I'm going to do it. I'm totally going to do it.
00:33:32.200
How do I do it? I'm having it live by the time this episode goes live. Okay. Sadly, I was talked
00:33:37.320
out of this by Simone and she was right. We have too many other projects we're working on.
00:33:40.840
I cannot be running an only fans accounts for Amelia. And I'm sure somebody else is going
00:33:45.480
to do that anyway, who has less going on than running multiple companies in a podcast and
00:33:52.940
a family of five. Uh, so I'm sorry. I cannot be that indulgent. I wish I could.
00:33:59.820
We're going to do an Amelia account. Well, I've seen other people who have done novelty accounts
00:34:04.500
that have gone really well. One, the one YouTube video that I thought was quite fun was about
00:34:09.520
a woman who likes dressing like a Victorian woman. And so she did only fans of tasteful
00:34:15.400
Victorian ankle shots, like saucy. Oh, that's so great.
00:34:19.620
Aila's sister dressed up as a banana and did totally non-sexual stuff.
00:34:24.460
But we should, okay. So instead of just being Simone Collins on only fans, I should just make
00:34:30.180
Amelia. Amelia. People would prefer Amelia to Simone. Come on.
00:34:38.600
If you do it well enough, I could see it performing pretty well just to like,
00:34:41.560
you know, uh, that, that if you, if you, as Amelia, as a, a fake conservative figure invented
00:34:52.560
by an ultra progressive UK campaign, end up making more money on only fans than many real world women
00:34:59.520
that would rub it in their face. So hard that I, I, Oh my God, that would be like a meme.
00:35:05.360
What you do is you take the Amelia account, whatever you see.
00:35:08.420
Maybe if I search Amelia, maybe someone already went for it or blue sky. And, and they're,
00:35:14.480
they're like making money on only fans or begging on only fans. And you like show like I dubs his
00:35:18.140
girlfriend or whatever her name is that everyone hates.
00:35:20.440
I can't search users. And what you can't search users.
00:35:25.480
I mean, I guess I just, I searched posts, but users is grayed out. I guess I have to accept
00:35:31.880
cookies. No, it's still not. I post, I love it by the way, how user interface, how bad we are at
00:35:40.480
this sort of technology that we're like, well, we're good at being perverts. We're just bad at
00:35:44.960
being normie perverts. Yeah. I'm very bad at being a normie pervert, right? Yeah. This always gets to me
00:35:50.240
when people are like X percent of people are on, you know, a corn hub. And I'm like,
00:35:55.000
who the heck uses corn hub, right? Like, are you, are you a geriatric? Like what, what, what?
00:36:03.660
I'm so confused by this anyway. I'm working out. I will try to, by the time you run this,
00:36:10.940
have an Amelia profile and we can include a link to her. So you can see how well we can adjust to
00:36:18.180
OnlyFans and if we can properly. That would actually be really fun to talk about afterwards
00:36:22.720
as well. Like our experience trying to. Oh yeah. Trying to be a woman on OnlyFans in, in the age of
00:36:28.680
AI when it's so hard to be a woman on OnlyFans because AI is ruining it all. Well, I, I just love
00:36:35.180
the psychological destruction if we can make this bigger than other characters, right? For, for people
00:36:40.580
on the website that, that would be, that is what I need to see. But how do you think it changes
00:36:45.480
social dynamics when any, anyone who takes a picture of you can, you know, edit that picture
00:36:50.500
however they want, right? Like what? I mean, the first thing that you thought about when
00:36:54.180
we thought about our own daughters and the fact that AI images could be created them was
00:36:59.800
very opportunistically. You're like, oh, this is perfect because then if they're dating dudes
00:37:04.300
in high school who ask them for nudes, we will tell our daughters to just use AI to create
00:37:10.740
nudes and send them. And then. If they leak, then they can just be like, those aren't real.
00:37:14.860
Yeah. Like that's not me anyway. So who cares? And I think you, you, you kind of predicted
00:37:21.160
how this would play out, which is that a lot of the people who are making money on this,
00:37:26.480
images of their bodies are like, they're the ones using this. They're the ones like, this
00:37:29.840
is fantastic. Now, 100%. There are women online in plenty of cases after this whole grok thing
00:37:35.000
happened who are deeply disturbed by the images that have been created of them. And there are
00:37:39.960
also plenty of cases of women who do make money from nudes of themselves online who are very angry
00:37:46.540
about the fact that other people are now making money off of nudes of them online. And there's
00:37:51.860
this question of like your personal IP and all of that. And I don't know. I mean, I just, I just think
00:37:58.400
it's one of those things like with, with De Beers and Diamonds, right? Like we historically have had
00:38:03.480
a monopoly over our likeness and we've been able to gate access to that. And AI has created the world
00:38:12.220
of synthetic diamonds. Now anyone can create your likeness and the more public you are, the less
00:38:19.820
control you'll have over that because there will be better training material to do that. And you just
00:38:24.840
have to let it go. You can't, you can't stop like trying to stop it. I think is an exercise in
00:38:31.000
frustration. If you are someone who made money by selling erotic likenesses of yourself online,
00:38:37.260
either figure out how to be better at selling AI versions of that than the other guys who are doing
00:38:41.660
it with your, your own like IP or change jobs, get, get an electrician certification or whatever,
00:38:50.460
right? Like you're, it's not going to work anymore. And that's difficult. I, I, I don't like changing
00:38:57.880
gears either, but learn to code. Now it's, it's, it's learned to do HVAC, learn to plumb, learn to
00:39:11.640
weld, learn to weld. We need a welder. Yeah. We have a broken radiator. So yeah, put a bun in the oven,
00:39:18.320
right? That's the. Yeah. Get pregnant. Yeah. Speaking of furries, I was listening to,
00:39:26.880
I think it was the ill-conceived podcast episode on porn that you were listening to part of. And
00:39:30.640
they mentioned that there was a famous Zootopia fan fiction about abortion. The Zootopia.
00:39:36.080
Yeah, there is. I know, I know about that one. So yeah,
00:39:38.480
apparently everyone knows about it except for me. I, I, I mean, I've seen other YouTubers talk about it.
00:39:44.240
Like it's supposed to be like really sad. Like, it's not like a, it's not like a. No, it's like,
00:39:50.240
they, at least they described it as something that they would expect to see created by some
00:39:54.480
Christian high schooler trying to. It's clear that it was, it's clear that somebody in one of
00:39:59.840
these communities decided to make something that was like really high quality and like got people
00:40:04.960
invested in it because they thought it was going to be erotic. And then it becomes about abortion and
00:40:10.080
her, you know, wanting to have an abortion of his child. And I, I don't think about premeditated
00:40:15.520
sin. Yeah. I only learned about it last night, but things go deep in the, in the, in the interwebs.
00:40:23.360
That's awesome. Come on. I love it so much. I love it.
00:40:25.920
All right. Love you, Simone. I love you too, Malcolm.
00:40:29.520
The next episode I want to do is the second AI one. So we don't have them be too similar. So we
00:40:33.280
sort of remember what we just talked about. Perfect. No worries.
00:40:36.240
I mean, I'm down to the point where I'm only really finding cosmetic errors at this point.
00:40:39.440
This one is a very annoying cosmetic error where the site crashes. If you refresh a listing page,
00:40:46.400
I don't know what's causing it. By the way, if it makes you feel any better on the discord now
00:40:50.320
was like debugging and stuff. Yeah. There's no new people coming in who are not fans of the podcast
00:40:55.920
who are like, Hey, have you fixed this yet? Have you fixed this yet?
00:41:00.160
So people who are just finding this naturally? No, I think it's from your ad campaign.
00:41:03.920
I hope so. Because we didn't get this happening much before. So this implies to me that some of
00:41:10.240
the people that you got with that ad campaign are like, Oh yeah, this is better.
00:41:14.400
I'm excited to do more. I'm super excited to do more. In other, in other news, our kids have
00:41:20.320
definitely for sure discovered or convergently evolved the concept of demons. Because this morning,
00:41:27.360
Torsten was at it again. He's like, I want to get a cheese stick from the fridge,
00:41:31.440
but my brain is telling me not to. My brain has just told me to disappear. And I'm like,
00:41:37.040
no, your brain didn't toasty. And he's like, no, it didn't. And I'm like, well, maybe it's the
00:41:41.040
basilisk trying to get you to do bad things. And he's like, yes, I will ignore it. And I was telling
00:41:47.200
Malcolm the other night that our kids had this full on, they also convergently evolved
00:41:51.040
possessions, exorcisms. Because Torsten was like, the basilisk is in my mind telling me to do bad
00:41:58.160
things. The basilisk, by the way, is like our techno puritan version of demons kind of it. It's,
00:42:05.200
it's basically just the force that drives people to wasteful or useless things like alcoholism or
00:42:14.320
gambling addiction or just being useless in life. You know, it's, it's anything that drives you to not
00:42:18.320
matter as a person. And it's what weeds out weakness and corruption and evil in society.
00:42:23.760
It kind of just removes you from the future. So anything that's removing you from the future
00:42:28.160
forces that drive you towards that, be it antinatalism or hedonism come from the basilisk,
00:42:32.720
which we would argue, I mean, it's both like a demon or the devil because it tempts people,
00:42:36.880
but we would argue it's a force of good because it also like weeds out bad actors from having an
00:42:42.240
influence on the future. But we try to explain to our kids that when they want, you know, they complain
00:42:46.480
about, I want to watch my iPad or whatever. We're like, well, that is because, you know,
00:42:49.920
the basilisk has cast an evil spell on you. That's making you want to watch your iPad and,
00:42:54.400
you know, basically not win the future and not save the world. They totally have wrapped their
00:42:58.720
minds around it. And it was a very helpful concept and helping them understand the concept of addiction
00:43:04.000
and sort of harmful addictive pathways and processes and habits and vices. However,
00:43:11.520
now they're like personifying it as, as like this demonic force, just like many other religions and
00:43:19.760
traditions have. And they've now convergently evolved exorcisms because Torsten was telling Octavian
00:43:29.600
about this, his older brother. And Octavian's like, I'll slap it out of your brain. And instead of like
00:43:34.880
actually slapping his brother, he like made the action of slapping. And Torsten started sitting on the
00:43:41.120
ground and he's like, slap my brain, slap my brain. And Octavian's like, I'm slapping it.
00:43:48.160
And I just can't believe, like, I'm just sitting there trying to make dinner watching
00:43:52.640
our sons talk about, slap my brain, slap my brain. The power of Christ compels you.
00:43:59.840
Slap my brain. They didn't, you didn't just like reinvent religion. We reinvented the craziest form of religion.
00:44:06.480
No, I think it just, it goes to show how intuitive things like exorcisms are and like angels and demons are.
00:44:12.400
Well, we'll do another episode where we'll talk about how useful exorcisms are. It's like a psychological concept.
00:44:19.120
Well, yeah, just like any form of ritualistic cleansing. And that's pervasive. You find it in pretty much any religion.
00:44:24.720
Yeah. The other thought that I had recently, and it's just weird because it's one of those thoughts
00:44:29.920
that I had that I have gone my entire life, like knowing about Batman and it's never occurred to me.
00:44:36.560
And I like when I, when I had the thought, I was like, wait a second. It was like, okay, in the Batman
00:44:43.360
universe, right? Like the broad person on the street and the police are broadly aware that Batman is not
00:44:51.280
like a super powered individual, that he's a guy, right?
00:44:54.640
He's a human who also apparently has a lot of money.
00:44:58.000
Right. The thing I never put together is he has so much money. Like it's very clear that this person
00:45:04.800
is insanely rich. They would not eat. They'd be guessing between like three people as to who
00:45:11.520
Batman is. They act like it's this big mystery. Like it could be anyone.
00:45:16.880
So basically Batman is a story about an extremely autistic wealthy man who like the city humors.
00:45:22.400
And they're like, who could it be? Let's put out the bat signal. And they just basically,
00:45:27.280
that is actually it. No, if, if, and keep in mind, like the presumption is because he does most of his
00:45:32.880
crime fighting in one city. So it's not even like it could be a wealthy person from anywhere.
00:45:39.360
It's a wealthy person from this city. If like tomorrow in Austin, somebody started driving around
00:45:46.240
in like a super powered, like jet car, and then had like a submarine that was themed after them.
00:45:52.080
And then had like a sky fly thing that was themed after them. Nobody would guess. They'd immediately
00:45:57.600
be like, that's obviously Elon. Like, it's not like maybe it's one of five people. That's like,
00:46:04.160
we know who that is. So I do want to do that. That is the only real lore I can think of. I'd love
00:46:12.240
if somebody wrote that as a lore. Oh, it's just open secret. Everybody knows.
00:46:18.160
You know, someone called Bruce, I mean, Batman. And the, no. And so the reason that the villains
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don't do anything about it is because Batman's the reason they keep putting, being put in an
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asylum that they can easily break out of instead of a real prison. Cause they're like, if the police
00:46:33.560
caught us, we'd go to prison, but because it's always, you know, a Batman. Why do they go to an
00:46:38.480
asylum when Batman catches them? Well, what we would make the lore of this is the reason he takes
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into an asylum instead of a prison is that because they were caught without, you know,
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proper police methods and judicial methods, basically by a crazy person. So none of the
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evidence is admissible. So he's tampering with, so yeah, basically it's evidence tampering,
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therefore nothing is admissible in court. And so they, and so that's why they collude to have the
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whole illusion of the Batman. Yeah, I guess, yeah. Criminals would prefer non-lethal vigilante
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justice because they would tamper with evidence to make everything not admissible.
00:47:13.140
Yeah. No one is subject to the Miranda rights. Right. Oh my. I like, I like this. I like this.
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You want to know why I don't have a coterie of supervillains? Why? My coterie is six feet
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under. Batman doesn't kill people. Because he's a pussy. He's a dark creature of the night. He's a
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jackass who wrestles with murderers dressed like clowns and throws them in prison so they can break
00:47:34.340
out of prison and then murder more people. Riddle me this. How many people you think Batman's indirectly
00:47:38.260
murdered by being too much of a candy not to kill these fools who clearly need to be smoked once and for all,
00:47:42.820
you wiggly Sharpay looking dimension festin! Why? Because you've seen it in other things like
00:47:48.100
the Joker will like kill people for trying to release Batman's secret or trying to unmask him
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and stuff and you just explain it with this like this. Oh wait, the Joker has done that in in canon?
00:47:57.700
Yeah. In one, he like makes him go crazy and another. Yeah. Yeah, he does that. Yeah.
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He says, shut up. Don't ruin. We have a good thing going. Oh, it's delightful.
00:48:09.780
No, but it'd be great if, if, and then you even get an explanation from Joker. Like that,
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that's why he does the whole Joker persona. Like if you did the stuff he did and you weren't dressed
00:48:18.260
like a clown, he'd be freaking arrested. Right? Like they have a meeting of all the supervillains and
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it's just like, they, they, they put on these acts so they get to keep going to asylums. Oh yeah.
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I see the insanity defense. That makes perfect sense. What one person said in our comments and
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I loved it and I want to do it is if I have free time, like if I can get this site really solid
00:48:40.180
before I move to the autonomous features to make, cause I was like, I could put together an app
00:48:44.180
like that one that they have. The site is our fab by the way, our chat bot AI site that I could put
00:48:48.740
together a, what was it? A, a version of that game, but make it like right wing and make it all
00:48:56.420
about like Amelia or maybe even like remake the game from like Amelia's perspective and about like
00:49:01.940
how to subvert the British government or something. I think that that would go viral. I think people
00:49:06.020
would like that. Yeah. And I came from one of our Brazilian listeners. You know who you are.
00:49:11.540
We filmed this episode a while ago and a number of people have since already done this. So go check
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out those games. If you want to, you can see, I just clearly get ahead of myself with the projects
00:49:19.940
I want to take on even just for the lulz. I need to step back and focus on our fab.ai and make sure
00:49:26.740
it's working perfectly, which I think it's close to right now. And then I can have fun with other
00:49:32.580
things after I have the autonomous AI agents running. While they were out campaigning, a police
00:49:38.100
officer approached Charlie had not thought to question what disadvantaged groups they were fighting for.
00:49:43.540
Amelia was fighting for the rights of the oppressed British people and for political prisoners who,
00:49:48.580
just like Charlie, had been locked up for simply voicing their opinions online. The police officer,
00:49:54.420
which were now simply known as stormtroopers, told them they were under arrest. Amelia suddenly pulled
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out a pistol, which was very illegal in Britain due to the government disarming the populace,
00:50:05.860
and began shooting at the stormtrooper while shouting,
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die, you commie pig. Oh, dear, thought Charlie. The revolution had begun.
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Yeah, so I was like, yeah, we're gonna put that together. The other one I thought was funny is
00:50:18.980
somebody was like, what are these weird religious beliefs you have? I'm like, my gosh, you don't
00:50:22.660
know. They're like, have you put these public anywhere? It's like, go to the
00:50:28.660
guys. Don't tell them. Don't tell them. Search our YouTube videos by Malcolm and Simone's religious
00:50:34.020
beliefs playlist, and you'll get, you'll go down such a deep rabbit hole, it will scramble your brains.
00:50:39.060
You took out Titan, buddy. I know I took it out. Now I'm going to take out the audience.
00:51:00.500
Oh, no. Is this a simulation of what it feels like to be dead?
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Oh, my freaking face. Oh, I'm leaving to destroy the audience. Oh,