Based Camp - Andrew Tate Truth Bomb Drops： Worse Than Anyone Thought Possible

00:00:00.000 I just want to make that clear.

00:00:01.160 Like, I just, the double standard with Tate and Epstein is so unhinged when you know what Tate did and what's so well documented versus what's documented with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:00:12.160 So I just want to make that clear.

00:00:14.440 When this video was made, she was 15 years old.

00:00:18.400 And he beat her so much that he made a themed belt for it.

00:00:23.640 Would you like to know more?

00:00:24.700 Hello, Malcolm. I'm so excited to be speaking with you today because we need to talk a little

00:00:30.000 bit about how welcoming our community is. Not that it's bad. I think it's good. Like yesterday

00:00:35.260 we interviewed Yuki Waterloo who'd just been canceled and like everyone has been so welcoming

00:00:39.580 to her. Like, look, you're being reasonable. Like you're saying some bombastic stuff and we love it.

00:00:44.240 Like come on our side. And I think it's great. It works out great. Generally, we help each other

00:00:50.500 out we learn from each other we do cool stuff you know we don't agree on everything but that's okay

00:00:55.020 but but big but the the right made a massive mistake with andrew tate and let me give you

00:01:02.440 a case in point malcolm is covered by heidi blake in this crazy sprawling new yorker you've been

00:01:08.740 wanting to do this episode for days at this point yeah well and i had and it took me so freaking

00:01:12.940 long because her piece is so it's like a novel the new yorker has a problem like say it in a word

00:01:17.560 please but honestly there's so much stuff in here that i get this is kind of the the kind of piece

00:01:22.900 that you only can publish in the new yorker either that or it's going to be a novel which no one's

00:01:27.100 going to read so maybe this is her best bet to like get this out there so go go into it right

00:01:31.900 so here's here's just one case in point and we're going to go way farther than this but this is

00:01:36.020 this is meaningful because this is an example of andrew tate leveraging the openness and

00:01:42.780 trustingness of the right-wing space especially online like influencer right-wing influencer spaces

00:01:48.420 to be super freaking evil and a bad actor all right so both being right wing influencers who

00:01:55.860 were from luton in the uk andrew tate knew tommy robinson so andrew tate asked tommy for an

00:02:01.600 introduction to laura southern and if you're not familiar with laura lauren southern she and i'm

00:02:07.060 reading now from a quote from the article she'd become a darling of the manosphere at the age of

00:02:11.300 19 with a video titled why I am not feminist in which she argued that men were the real victims 0.90

00:02:16.160 of an unjust society she followed up with a series of videos in which she trolled women

00:02:20.520 who marched against sexual violence ridiculing their views and holding up a sign saying there

00:02:25.500 is no rape culture in the west after getting introduced by Tommy Robinson to Andrew Tate

00:02:30.840 Lauren was convinced by Andrew Tate to fly out to Romania continuing from the article she told me

00:02:36.420 that she flew to Bucharest without knowing much about Tate Robinson had simply said that a

00:02:40.900 kickboxer in eastern europe wanted to finance her work when they arrived tate was waiting in one of

00:02:45.800 his supercars and he insisted on taking her out for lunch alone over steak he told her quote 0.98

00:02:51.260 everything that you want to hear as a conservative right-wing woman end quote taking a talking about

00:02:57.760 the importance of family and praising her work quote you're saving western civilization she

00:03:02.960 remembers him saying after lunch they headed to tate's compound at a long table southern listened

00:03:08.000 And as the brothers laid out their proposal, they would fund a new right-wing media venture with her and Robinson in charge if she would use it to pump a cryptocurrency they were planning to launch. 0.99

00:03:19.260 The idea, she recalls, was, quote, basically, we were going to create a European nationalist outlet to fleece all these idiots for money, end quote. 0.99

00:03:28.520 Like, first off, that's not what our community does. 0.99

00:03:32.100 We don't, like, get together and try to fleece people over who listen to us.

00:03:37.460 yeah right that's okay so i'm like huh huh okay hmm i continue that evening the tates took southern

00:03:45.240 to a club where they ordered bottle service after a couple of shots of vodka she recalls she suddenly

00:03:49.940 felt quote like my consciousness was collapsing end quote tate carried her to his car and when 0.62

00:03:55.640 she came to they were on the bed at her hotel tate started kissing southern and pulling off her

00:04:01.400 clothes she told me that she tried to push his hands away but he wouldn't stop then he hooked 0.90

00:04:06.840 his arm around her neck and started to squeeze she remembers thinking oh shit this guy's actually 1.00

00:04:12.240 going to rape me southern was anti-abortion and terrified of getting pregnant she'd began 0.99

00:04:17.180 pleading with him quote i know what you're gonna do here please wear a condom please southern 0.99

00:04:22.840 remembers fading in and out of consciousness as tate raped her unprotected and choked her 0.98

00:04:27.340 afterward he sat on the edge of the bed and said don't tell the press i raped you she remembers 1.00

00:04:31.720 saying my whole brand is literally talking about how stupid bitches get themselves in situations 0.99

00:04:36.840 like this there's nothing i can say without destroying my career so congratulations in the 1.00

00:04:42.360 car at the airport southern said she discovered burst blood vessels around her eyes and marks on

00:04:47.180 her neck back in toronto she was examined by a nurse who specialized in sexual assault 0.94

00:04:51.060 on the assessment form the nurse recorded that southern had been raped and strangled by quote

00:04:55.820 a well-known male end quote at a hotel in romania and had suffered an intimate injury

00:05:00.780 she noted that Southern seemed to be experiencing quote personal struggles with her belief system

00:05:05.280 as a result Southern told me that she tried to apply her political convictions to her experience

00:05:11.100 telling herself that she was at fault for drinking with a man she didn't know a month later she

00:05:15.440 texted Tate quote it was really crappy what you did that night in Bucharest she wrote I'm not 0.91

00:05:21.200 going to tell anyone obviously because I was an absolute moron but I hope you don't do that to

00:05:25.520 anyone else end quote what did i do tate replied i expected tons better from you this message is 0.96

00:05:32.100 some liberal hashtag me too bs you literally strangled me when i said i didn't want to have 0.99

00:05:38.140 sex southern wrote you literally told me in the morning don't tell the press i raped you 0.99

00:05:43.260 you're absolutely embarrassing yourself he wrote tate denied raping southern but he bragged to 0.99

00:05:48.540 the war room this is his like club where he teaches men how to do what he does about spending the

00:05:53.280 with her saying that he'd invited her to romania to discuss a business deal but quote didn't invest

00:05:59.640 a effing penny so that's what he does when people trust him in in this community by the way the

00:06:07.420 stuff you're gonna hear beyond this is as bad as this is so much worse than this yeah no this this

00:06:14.360 is like the someone had a bad experience with him this is not the yeah well i think the at our

00:06:22.940 community broadly there there are not many other people in our community where i'm like i'm worried

00:06:28.280 they would do this stuff because back when andrew tate was part of the american online right

00:06:35.520 community the community was much more manosphere influenced much more red pill influenced like

00:06:42.520 andrew tate wasn't the only person like this in these talking spaces yeah but then so here's the

00:06:49.520 thing look i gave andrew tate the benefit of the doubt and even with stories like this like i could

00:06:54.600 kind of be like look what did you expect you know i've been in laura southern has no reason to lie

00:06:59.720 about this this would do nothing but hurt her brand there is there is zero benefit to laura

00:07:06.020 southern no and honestly she she did not come clean about this for years until because you know

00:07:12.720 andrew tate and his brother are in like some miami detention center right now because they're going

00:07:17.320 to be extradited to the UK and they're going to throw the book at them because there are so many

00:07:22.000 counts against them at this point. You'll see why. But the only reason she came out was because she

00:07:28.100 had documented evidence of this and because she hadn't been pulled into his actual circle. And

00:07:34.600 then of course, lost control of her phones and everything else. She had the evidence and she

00:07:39.200 could, she could provide testimony and contribute to this case, which she realized would be really 0.77

00:07:44.280 meaningful so the only reason she came out was she saw all these other women coming out and was 0.87

00:07:48.240 like oh god like yeah i had to do this i mean i i do wish she had come out earlier because i think 0.94

00:07:54.760 that like even even if to use herself as an example of a woman being dumb and to remind

00:08:01.340 women not to just trust men because they're saying the right wing talking you can understand 0.97

00:08:05.060 her cognitive dissonance though because she just spent like all this time talking about how this 0.97

00:08:08.800 happened and she just did she did it she fell right into it like that's what's so screwed up

00:08:12.940 Also, there were other women who came forward 10 years before any of this happened, who provided their cell phones, turned them over.

00:08:20.380 And there were a combination of fumbles made by the U.K. police.

00:08:25.340 Surprise, surprise.

00:08:26.240 They're not really taking, you know, sexual assault seriously.

00:08:29.420 Oh, gosh. Seastone cops.

00:08:30.320 It's terrifying. 1.00

00:08:31.220 I mean, it's sexual assault by a Muslim immigrant, right? 1.00

00:08:34.280 You know. 1.00

00:08:34.820 Well, he wasn't Muslim then.

00:08:35.780 We know how seriously they take that in the U.K.

00:08:37.480 Well, I know.

00:08:38.300 Like, that's kind of the thing is it kind of doesn't matter who it is because, like, they don't take it.

00:08:41.440 And so she even had given them her phone. Well, actually, I think there were three of those victims in this 10 years ago case. And then they flubbed the chain of custody, which made it almost impossible to admit that as evidence. So even when there were super solid, extremely early cases against the Tate brothers, nothing happened.

00:09:01.760 And I want to be clear to people on the right who are manosphere or whatever and are like, oh, these women got themselves into these situations or whatever.

00:09:10.780 You cannot be anti-abortion and treat SA as not murder.

00:09:16.160 Like it's in the same realm as murder if you are extremely anti-abortion.

00:09:21.500 well you know i i still like i knew we all knew we all collectively knew that andrew tate used

00:09:29.100 the lover boy scheme to like get all these women to come be like only fans and and more for him

00:09:36.340 right like we knew that everyone knew that that was well known but he was funny he was smart he

00:09:40.700 said funny things and we just figured look it's all consensual and a lot of women are into this

00:09:45.080 like they they would they would like the money they'd like the lifestyle they probably don't

00:09:48.140 have other better options like it's not great but like this is his thing this is this isn't this

00:09:55.860 isn't what happened i mean like no it was just straight up rape like a lot of the time well let's

00:10:01.220 let's get into it yeah hold on hold on before we get into it a quick aside i want to make here and

00:10:05.560 what i think we can use this episode to do yeah is i think there's sort of two categories of bad

00:10:12.120 actors in our wider community and in terms of identifying them using this episode as a way to

00:10:19.440 identify one category of them one group are grifters who like clearly have a soul and a

00:10:26.520 conscience and just don't care about the damage they're doing right right right people like

00:10:31.880 nick fuentes right like he's he's clearly oh like he wouldn't do i would know i think i think

00:10:37.960 there's the talk of big game people nick fuentes falls into that category whereas i don't i don't

00:10:42.620 think that nick fuentes has a long track record of rape and assault and no but i don't i don't

00:10:48.820 think he would yeah and then there's he just doesn't think about the long-term consequences

00:10:52.780 of the things that he's preaching right yeah he just clearly doesn't think these things through

00:10:58.400 if through not thinking them through he's able to make himself look cooler or bigger edgier or

00:11:04.500 whatever right like their long-term implications with tate it's completely different tate is a

00:11:09.880 different kind of an entity when we talk about somebody being like a pre-adamite or something

00:11:14.240 like that like genuinely lacking the capacity which you're going to see as these stories go on

00:11:18.760 for moral judgment and reasoning to the point that if this was a a normal and just society

00:11:26.240 you just put somebody like this down like there's no reason to leave him alive given the the ways

00:11:32.180 that he has treated other human beings repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly and moreover and it's even

00:11:39.980 worse than that and i'll get into okay get into it get into it because yeah it's you'll see it's

00:11:45.060 not even the fact that he's done this himself it's the fact that he brings it to scale which

00:11:48.760 is even more disgusting like the knock-on effects of what he does the helicopter i love the way he

00:11:56.180 pronounces helicopter oh so it's full so you just move the helicopter to wherever you need to go

00:12:00.880 then you unload it hey this this kid's got style i got him a game console with all the games for

00:12:07.600 forever till forever on it and our entire childhood and he plays command and conquer

00:12:12.820 now i don't think that's the best game to play on a game boy style console but at least he's

00:12:18.280 you know got got class continue gotta start him early yeah just for anyone's reference the very

00:12:24.280 long new yorker article is called andrew tate's empire of abuse it's very good it's by heidi blake

00:12:29.600 she did a bang up job. And I actually super relate to this article because she came in and 0.88

00:12:35.680 she met with them and like wanted to really get to know them and spend time with them and be with

00:12:39.460 them IRL in much the same way that many journalists have approached us. And I think that they're very

00:12:44.980 accustomed to journalists approaching them to do hit pieces. And they knew that this was a

00:12:50.200 journalist approaching them to do hit pieces. And they thought that they were so above Malcolm,

00:12:55.500 this looks bad it looks like you're trying to do lines of cocaine i know you're like blowing your

00:13:00.080 nose or something but like it looks like you're doing lines it's so i literally just did naltrexone

00:13:06.220 on on screen look yes you could hit the cocaine wouldn't work i it's just it's performative it's

00:13:15.020 performative ice you know it's what our movement's all about anyway it just didn't look good i was

00:13:20.060 I can wait. You done? I'll go get a beer. I'll go get a beer. Okay. Were you trying to reach a

00:13:25.040 beer? Were you trying to wait? Were you trying to open your fridge with your sword? Don't answer

00:13:29.620 that question. Actually. I love you. But yeah, I can, I can relate to this article a lot because

00:13:35.020 we have been approached right by many journalists who want to do in-depth like profiles. And that

00:13:40.660 is exactly what Heidi Blake presented herself as doing to the Tate brothers. She's like, look, 0.92

00:13:45.380 I'm from the New Yorker. I'm doing an in-depth profile, blah, blah, blah. And they're like,

00:13:48.960 look, I know everyone trying to approach me from the media, especially if they're female 1.00

00:13:52.100 and working with like a liberal late news outlet is going to try to do a hit piece. 1.00

00:13:57.000 But we are, you know, if she tries to like catch stuff on us, she won't get anything.

00:14:03.200 That's what they thought. 0.98

00:14:04.460 And they didn't realize what an absolute pro Heidi Blake is.

00:14:08.780 And she was going to talk to everyone who'd talked to them, right? 0.75

00:14:11.720 Yes.

00:14:12.460 Well, and that's actually the thing is, no, they are actually very good and sophisticated

00:14:16.160 at getting the women that they work with to defend them. 0.95

00:14:18.480 so they thought they had all their bases covered they didn't realize what a bulldog this woman is 1.00

00:14:23.480 Heidi Blake man like wow next level like journalism isn't dead you know it's it's still 1.00

00:14:30.100 alive in some places that she absolutely you know court records like tons of stuff she's gone through

00:14:35.180 it's it's utterly unhinged but awesome I love that level of autism it's my kind of autism but

00:14:40.240 yeah definitely read the article if you actually want to go through it I agonized over figuring

00:14:43.580 out what to what to include because there's so much let's just start with a bit of an overview

00:14:49.540 of the oh the the depravity of of the tate brothers okay let's just start right off the 0.97

00:14:56.600 bat focusing with some early career stuff with him just assaulting and raping women 0.99

00:15:01.100 not just for fun but because he thought it would lead them to not require payment in exchange for 0.99

00:15:08.400 cam girl work. And this started with two young women who are referred to as Walker and Navarro

00:15:14.080 in the article who he recruited in the UK after learning from one of his girlfriends how much he

00:15:19.880 could make. So here's from the article. But Tate was already coming to resent paying Navarro and

00:15:24.980 Walker a cut of their earnings. Kraskova, that's his sort of like first OG girlfriend that he used 1.00

00:15:31.100 for cam work raskova let him keep 100 of the effing money he later said but he complained

00:15:38.900 once you get bigger you start hiring girls that don't love you he decided on a strategy i have a

00:15:45.060 financial incentive to f as many as i can just a note about her skrova this this first woman he 0.74

00:15:50.880 exploited he reported in private chats that her live streams had made him around two million 0.65

00:15:56.300 dollars but all she got was pocket money for coffee and manicures the money he made off these

00:16:03.380 women even before this when he did for people who do not know this so few things to know about him

00:16:09.640 one and i think you made this clear he sees his followers as people to scam that's 100 yeah that's

00:16:15.160 why that was the first thing when you look at his early videos the way that he made money is he'd

00:16:20.240 have the girls doing stuff and then he would be the one in chat talking to the guys to get money

00:16:25.180 from them pretending to be the girl so andrew tate literally made his early career money 0.99

00:16:30.340 pretending to suck dick like that is his level of dedication all right i'll trust you but only if you 1.00

00:16:39.260 will perform oral sex on me 1.00

00:16:42.200 what right here right now 1.00

00:16:47.160 you are dedicated we're doing this without you now hold on team gary has already proven to me 1.00

00:16:57.200 that he is 100 committed to the team he proved it last night by sucking my cock 0.99

00:17:01.980 all right come on team we got to find that stage but it's but it also shows you know if you're a 1.00

00:17:12.040 guy and you're like i'd be really disgusted if i knew that they're with some like muslim

00:17:15.660 immigrant in the uk like making money off of me that andrew tate is that okay so i continue and

00:17:22.280 just i want to make it clear too in the in the few instances early early on when he did give

00:17:27.860 these new girls cash he immediately would take them to like a shopping mall and be like look

00:17:33.440 you've made so much money now spend it all and then they would blow it all on like designer 1.00

00:17:38.240 clothing so they didn't have money so they couldn't get away so they couldn't build any

00:17:42.300 wealth right and this is a really classic way of exploiting people where you like get them hooked

00:17:47.480 on thinking that by being with you they can make money but then you make sure that they are

00:17:51.740 perpetually broke right continue go to the go to the actual bad stuff continue okay

00:17:56.740 here's what it was like to be in this house in these early days before it got even worse

00:18:03.420 one morning navarro who by the way was stranded at this house that tate made the move to because

00:18:08.640 he wouldn't drive her home and she lacked money for a car to get out woke up to tate and walker

00:18:12.600 having sex next to her she shushed him and walker got up and went to the bathroom when she was gone 1.00

00:18:17.700 navarro said tate put her in a chokehold and raped her for the second time although she clotted his 0.98

00:18:22.500 arms he wouldn't release his grip i was scared that he was going to kill me she told me then 0.81

00:18:27.120 walker emerged from the shower and he rolled off her later navarro said she was working on camera

00:18:31.420 and she heard strange noises and went to investigate so through the open door she saw

00:18:37.020 tate strangling walker on the bed walker's face was red and puffy and her body was limp navarro

00:18:41.900 said she felt a strange paralysis i was like there's nothing i can do about it she told me

00:18:46.760 and she went back to work the following morning navarro and walker were putting on makeup in the

00:18:51.420 bathroom when they noticed clusters of red spots around their eyes walker searched online and saw

00:18:56.080 that patachia burst blood level level sorry burst blood vessels can be a sign of acute pressure in

00:19:03.020 the head from strangulation the woman began to panic hearing a commotion the tates came to the 0.99

00:19:08.340 door when they saw the mark say it laughed you're such dumb bitches navarro remembers him saying 0.99

00:19:13.520 that's from sleek being on the silk sheets navarro said that tate started attacking her at random 0.99

00:19:19.560 times multiple times when she slept late he whipped her with a belt time became a blur

00:19:24.500 and the world outside the apartment seemed to recede but one day navarro had a moment alone

00:19:29.680 and something snapped she walked out the door and everyone back of course this is before

00:19:33.100 he stopped women from escaping he also abused women on camera in one video that came out Tate

00:19:38.760 lay on a bed and ordered Kraskova this original girlfriend to show the camera her tattoo and

00:19:43.860 because it said like property of Andrew Tate right over her her nethers he he asks in this video why 0.99

00:19:50.020 does it say Tate he asked because I'm his whore she replied why has your ass got a bruise on it 1.00

00:19:56.360 because daddy hits me she responds tate picked up a belt and began with whipping her scova as she lay 1.00

00:20:03.120 in the fetal position sobbing bitch look at the camera he told her yanking her head up by her 1.00

00:20:08.140 hair this is what happens when you don't effing listen okay so when this this footage of this 0.98

00:20:13.860 video was released online andrew tate said that her scova was an ex-girlfriend and shared a photo

00:20:18.700 of her holding a belt inscribed with the words but i love it when andrew spanks me so first off

00:20:25.420 in this video entertain sorry octavian you need to go downstairs you cannot show me until i come

00:20:35.240 down okay thank you i love you when this video was made she was 15 years old and he beat her so much

00:20:45.500 that he made a themed belt for it meanwhile we are we're crapping bricks over epstein

00:20:52.440 yeah and then his stuff isn't like actually it's like 15 year olds and stuff like it's kids the

00:20:58.160 same freaking age but he didn't whip them so much that he made a theme belt for it he was creepy

00:21:06.400 but he didn't choke them while he raped them like at least to our knowledge right and there's a lot 0.96

00:21:12.660 of weird stuff with epstein it's just funny to me obviously but it's like this is like out there

00:21:18.060 very visible something he's sharing with the world and there's still people who act like

00:21:24.260 this is a a normal no he's still an icon for a bunch of people yeah and i think at one point

00:21:31.100 he was the number one right-wing influencer in the world he's bigger now than he ever was before

00:21:37.180 no he's having the followers now i checked oh is it bigger now than ever before yeah that's that's

00:21:44.220 a big factor of it. We'll get into that too. I just want to make it clear. The underage girl

00:21:48.380 thing wasn't just a one-time thing with this first girl that he like recruited and exploited.

00:21:54.160 This was something that he then turned to again when he started to scale his operations in Romania

00:21:59.980 after fleeing the UK, because he realized the police were going to start sniffing around.

00:22:04.480 Here's just one example from the testimony of a woman who's called pseudonymously Irina Pavel.

00:22:11.640 i'd also the the absolute cuckedness of anyone on the right who acts like andrew tate is like 0.77

00:22:19.400 cool or okay and then is mad about muslim rape gangs in the uk it's like i know bro that's like 0.98

00:22:25.540 your actual idol i know muslim rape gang guy oh like he didn't grow up and he converted in 2022 0.98

00:22:32.920 yeah i mean now he is really yeah no he's he's he's trans muslim he's muslim in spirit okay so 0.97

00:22:39.780 anyway anyway so we're talking about this this testimony of a romanian young woman when pavel

00:22:46.120 was 15 she told investigators she had accompanied a school friend to a party hosted by the tates

00:22:51.420 which was full of young girls her friend paired off with tristan leaving her with andrew who was

00:22:57.380 so drunk that he spat as he talked he pulled her into a bedroom and raped her she said afterwards

00:23:02.380 some of the tates female friends persuaded the girls to stick around for several days 1.00

00:23:06.980 and tate kept having sex with pavel we had normal oral and anal sexual relations but i mentioned 0.99

00:23:14.300 that the anal sexual acts were traumatic for me because i was in pain she told investigators 0.98

00:23:19.440 even though i asked andrew to stop he continued great the girls eventually had to go back to 0.85

00:23:26.260 school but pavel said the tates sent a taxi every few weeks to bring them back to the compound 0.76

00:23:31.020 tate was often aggressive beating her with a belt and choking her i don't also got her teddy bears

00:23:37.660 at all he also sent a taxi to her school she could have not gotten in this is true this is

00:23:43.140 true but he it's just creepy to me that he actively recruits school girls and buys them

00:23:48.000 teddy bears and then like anally rapes them so i'm just i mean that's that's yeah that's one thing

00:23:53.120 but by the way you you need to use way more other words so youtube doesn't get mad at us okay so i

00:23:58.240 I will. Okay. I will correct that. Yes. Hang in there with me. There's, I did censor a lot of

00:24:03.980 this article. It's really hard to. So another thing that Tate did is he deputized other women

00:24:10.020 to hurt the other women. So this is on top of, of Andrew Tate playing women against each other.

00:24:14.640 I think it's obvious. And I mean, it's also well-documented in the article that he'd tell

00:24:18.040 one woman, look, I'm in love with you. I only have eyes for you. This other woman, she's just

00:24:22.700 for the cam work. And then he'd say exactly the same thing to the other women. So he, you know, 0.70

00:24:26.940 everyone thought that he had eyes only for them. Again, I don't care. That's just a normal guy

00:24:31.600 manipulated. But on top of that, right. Tate had assigned Georgiana Nagel to, quote, keep the farm

00:24:37.780 animals on task. And a former police officer named Luana Radu was brought in to work alongside her.

00:24:44.200 The two were a ferocious team. They issued instructions through a WhatsApp group called

00:24:48.060 Suspicious Death that punished workers who failed to comply. Women who could be fined for failing to

00:24:54.860 work their required hours or for committing various offenses on camera, including crying 0.73

00:25:00.000 or wiping their noses. When one woman, who I'll call Lorena Dobre, announced that she wanted to 1.00

00:25:07.200 leave soon after the brothers funded her breast enlargement, Tristan instructed the enforcers to

00:25:12.080 keep all her money and belongings to recoup their investment. Hit her if you have to, I don't care, 1.00

00:25:17.900 he texted, according to sealed court files. Throw her out of the house with nothing. The women were 1.00

00:25:23.520 eager to oblige i want my money back or i'll cut her tits off nagel vowed dobra later told police 1.00

00:25:29.960 that the enforcers arrived at the villa and dragged her outside in her underwear yanking her arm so 1.00

00:25:34.500 hard it wrenched it wrenched a scar from her breast enlargement surgery georgiana wanted to

00:25:40.640 kill her rada wrote to tristian i kept saying beat her without leaving any marks please i love you

00:25:46.700 girls he replied also tate abuses his children i used to picture andrew and his brother tristan 0.98

00:25:54.960 and their weird little harem house with their little tater tots running around like having

00:25:59.640 kind of found some weird like brother sister wives fantasy like that they made it work for 0.99

00:26:08.160 themselves right like that it wasn't my thing but like whether they they share wives for people who

00:26:12.400 are unaware no they don't no they have dedicated hair no no no no i have read articles they

00:26:17.100 absolutely have slept with each other's wives oh well yes but then they they have the one wife is 0.99

00:26:23.480 one of their wives but the other one's allowed to have sex with her this has been doc girls 0.99

00:26:28.920 yeah well anyway been documented by the key wives that they have had sex with the other one 1.00

00:26:33.800 oh yes i don't have doubts about it that's that's probably fair but anyway the she the way she 0.99

00:26:38.700 specified it in her article heidi blake was that they kind of had their own respective domains 0.65

00:26:42.320 but they're all mixing together anyway so the article also states women became pregnant and

00:26:47.660 andrew said that both he and tristan have quote double the digit children i'm the big gorilla he

00:26:53.440 said i take the fertile females and i am pregnant them and i really think that that's it's it's it's

00:27:00.100 very direct and that he is a very like pre-atomite human he does he lacks the judgment to to make 0.65

00:27:07.020 moral decisions and just literally is an alpha male pre-human human incapable of who believes 0.78

00:27:15.300 that morality is alpha maleness no when he converted to islam a lot of people asked oh was

00:27:20.940 he being paid by qatar or the uae or something like that no this is just what the reality is

00:27:28.480 is look at this guy his morality and his lifestyle what what would it mean for him if he converted

00:27:35.380 to christianity and he actually believed any of it right like he's absolutely in any sort of 0.61

00:27:41.920 christian metaphysical ecosystem but islam actually especially if he isn't technically 0.89

00:27:48.620 married like the really big sexual punishments in islam the death punishment for that and 0.90

00:27:53.020 everything happens to married men not unmarried men so he actually can get away with a lot of

00:28:00.780 this stuff yeah there's actually a pretty decent theological argument he could make within the 0.52

00:28:04.900 confines of islam especially around female slaves yeah because he very much sees his process of

00:28:12.200 converting leads as it were as a process of converting women into slaves so i mean like

00:28:20.280 per islamic law it would be you know it's a very different kind of thing yeah he's not doing

00:28:24.980 anything wrong per islamic law to be slaves yeah like and yeah so the the morality works

00:28:34.100 and i think that that's why he converted and a lot of people just don't understand

00:28:39.160 the fullness of what is allowed by the islamic moral system yeah yeah and i i have heard this

00:28:46.660 even in like big takedowns of hellish islamic marriages where there are four wives and they're 0.70

00:28:52.640 all being treated very poorly these are still men with four wives because they haven't they

00:28:57.560 lack the intelligence of tate and that's that's well yeah and there's and there's there's rules 0.83

00:29:01.720 in islam about how you can treat your your wives right but that's the key thing wives and 0.99

00:29:06.620 yeah again the problem with andrew tate and his brother muhammad had sex slaves this is well 0.91

00:29:13.720 documented like it is no major scholar disagrees that muhammad had sex slaves and the quran says

00:29:19.240 this innumerably it's not like one line or something like that it's like a major theme

00:29:24.700 so i actually started thinking more about this and i think i'll do a whole episode on this concept

00:29:29.020 but your idea of the afterlife significantly affects how you treat the people around you

00:29:35.640 so i'll take two contrasting religions we'll take mormonism and islam and what each thinks

00:29:41.340 happens to them in the afterlife so if i'm a mormon and i die i think that i am going to spend

00:29:48.820 forever tied to my wife or multiple wives if I remarried working together on like a project to

00:29:57.900 try to create a new moral planet as a god or something like this. This means that it is

00:30:03.340 incredibly important that I am nice to my wife and I have a good relationship with her because if I 1.00

00:30:11.080 do not for the rest of all eternity my life is going to be miserable now for islam men believe 1.00

00:30:20.320 even if you just take the quran and you remove the hadith you remove the 72 virgins whatever 1.00

00:30:24.460 there's this additional class of female basically a sex slave that's all i can call them they are 1.00

00:30:30.140 clearly meant to be attractive females who act as additional wives to the men who appear in heaven 1.00

00:30:37.600 Now, the women are still married to the men in heaven. They still get them. But like if I was a Muslim, I would believe that my wife and I, when we die, we go into heaven and I have a number of additional wives in addition to Simone that are there for the specific purpose of my sexual satisfaction and being nice to me. 0.83

00:30:55.780 And this means that I don't really need to, you know, if my wife, if I have a bad relationship with her, she's pretty disposable once I get to heaven.

00:31:03.520 Now, the way that Islam deals with this is it'll say something like, well, once you get to heaven, your desire to not be jealous of your husband's actions or for your husband's time is removed from you.

00:31:17.520 Which, okay, fine. 0.75

00:31:19.420 That doesn't sound totally moral to me, but fine.

00:31:21.220 the problem is is the way that this shapes what the male thinks they are condemning themselves to

00:31:28.600 and this is also and i hate to say this for traditional christians i kind of think the

00:31:33.400 mormon concept of an afterlife not a mormon i criticize mormonism regularly leads to more moral

00:31:40.440 behavior in a relationship than the traditional christian one because in the traditional christian

00:31:44.960 one there's no marriage in heaven you're all sort of doing your own thing and so you you don't need

00:31:50.280 your relationship to be perfect forever whereas i think that expectation that you get to an extent

00:31:58.480 with integrity puritanism as well does lead to better behavior patterns and the capacity to do

00:32:03.840 harm in this respect is so much worse when you're smart and both gina's brother are very intelligent 0.89

00:32:08.760 meaning that like their capacity to scale their their harm and depravity is so so much higher 1.00

00:32:15.960 which is extra scary that yeah intelligence in the absence of morality before you get into what

00:32:21.380 he does to his kids the second point i want to make is i think that he bases himself above all

00:32:26.480 else like when he's deciding how he wants to act it's what would the most masculine man act like

00:32:31.360 in this situation that's who i need to embody is maximum man and if we are asking who like what's

00:32:41.100 a red flag for somebody in our wider ecosystem and to just not platform them and generally work

00:32:48.240 against them is it's anyone who's presenting that way i think the maximum man archetype every time

00:32:54.580 i see these guys for like a long time in their career they always go evil eventually or it turns

00:33:01.220 out there was some big scandal they were hiding or it turns out blah blah blah whereas and note

00:33:05.800 this isn't saying like not all manosphere influencers went for that like sandman who

00:33:10.560 we've had on the podcast before and is the like the biggest MGTOW influencer he was never about

00:33:15.520 like maximal manishness no he's eminently reasonable yeah like and that's I think that's 0.81

00:33:20.520 the brilliant this is one of the big insidious problems and and why I think a lot of people

00:33:25.400 accepted Andrew Tate with such open arms they would hear him say bombastic things but they

00:33:30.720 understand and are familiar with the very logical side of the manosphere movement which is like look

00:33:37.260 this is the evolutionary psychology these are the economic dynamics this is the market this is a

00:33:42.960 screwed up and broken system i'm not having it here's how i'm going to navigate it but these

00:33:47.700 aren't people coming from a fundamentally inhumane view of like society these aren't people who enjoy

00:33:54.360 hurting other people like in the end they just want everyone to be like happy and they don't

00:33:58.460 want to be screwed over and they don't like how the system works and so they assume that while

00:34:03.020 Andrew Tate talks a big game they think like that that Andrew Tate and his brother think like they

00:34:09.260 do and they don't and that's the problem you tend to think that if if you like someone and you can

00:34:14.300 have a fun conversation and get along with them that they likely hold the same values and beliefs

00:34:18.880 that you do and many people are shocked when they discover that this isn't always the case

00:34:22.740 but it's a very common human psychological fallacy and something that Andrew Tate and

00:34:28.180 his brother have exploited to well no I think that there's like a lot of guys in the manosphere

00:34:32.780 whatever who like you know might be do into doing bdsm things or like sadist things or whatever and

00:34:37.940 their girls are into it or whatever right and they confuse that relationship the type of you know

00:34:43.760 maybe like hardcore relationship you might have in the united states or britain in terms of like

00:34:48.780 cultural backgrounds or you know any any of the the what's the word for christian nations as being

00:34:57.020 the same type of thing that andrew tate is getting up to because they hear some like analogous stuff

00:35:01.980 We all understand that a disturbingly

00:35:04.720 disproportionate number of people

00:35:06.600 do get turned on by choking, for example.

00:35:08.600 That is a very deadly fetish

00:35:10.800 to have. You really shouldn't indulge in it.

00:35:12.640 So they hear that. They're like, oh, Andrew

00:35:14.160 chokes women in bed. 1.00

00:35:16.440 People just have that kink. They don't realize what's really 1.00

00:35:18.560 happening, though.

00:35:19.680 Which is a totally different thing, and Andrew Tate

00:35:22.460 sort of manipulates the fact

00:35:24.780 that women have manipulated these guys

00:35:26.660 for so long to not see that now

00:35:28.600 Andrew Tate is the one manipulating them

00:35:30.460 and exploiting them. 0.99

00:35:31.980 exactly exactly through women ironically yeah i know i know and your taste like here's how women 1.00

00:35:37.900 exploit men in our society now i will do that to make lots of money from men yeah absolutely

00:35:44.160 look and just about those high school girls malcolm this was the same with all of the

00:35:49.220 jeffrey epstein victims they came and went as they pleased i just want to make that clear like

00:35:54.020 i just the double standard with tate and epstein is so unhinged when you know what tate did and

00:36:00.220 what's so well documented versus what's documented with Jeffrey Epstein. So I just want to make that

00:36:06.920 clear. All of his victims could technically walk away too. Epstein's? Yeah. No. Which ones couldn't

00:36:14.760 walk away? The ones on the ranch. They were confined. We got their diaries and stuff like

00:36:19.420 that. But also note that some of Andrew Tate's victims couldn't walk away either. Oh yeah,

00:36:23.520 totally. Yeah. We'll get to that. Anyway, about his kids, who definitely can't walk away. About

00:36:27.860 his kids Andrew Tate said my kids obey me like effing soldiers he said on his orders his five

00:36:33.580 year old son would sit for hours and silent doesn't effing move doesn't say an effing word

00:36:39.680 because he's scared for his effing life does that sound like a child that's getting treated well

00:36:45.880 well it doesn't it depends on the society some societies love obedience and this is why in our

00:36:53.480 early episodes Jordan Peterson promotes a similar style of parenting you know like you've got

00:36:57.780 to out do the child and get the child to sit down and obey and listen to you and it's like i don't

00:37:03.520 want my child to listen to me i want my child to be like maximally willful that's the entire point

00:37:08.680 of the way that we raise our kids and it's raised kids who are astonishingly nice i'm gonna say like

00:37:14.720 will maxing our kids has made our kids like the nicest most honorable people i have ever seen

00:37:20.800 Like I do not fall close to the category of default, just on honorability of like Octavia,

00:37:28.960 right.

00:37:29.220 In terms of like just yesterday, one of our other kids, you know, some of the kids got

00:37:33.280 their meal first and one of the other ones is like, well, when do I get mine?

00:37:36.420 And so he gets his meal and he walks around and he gives it to them and he goes, don't

00:37:40.000 worry.

00:37:40.360 I haven't taken any bites out of it yet.

00:37:42.020 You can have this quicker.

00:37:43.520 And there's no reason.

00:37:45.320 Or somebody's worried about something or crying out something.

00:37:48.500 so he immediately goes and gets it or the little one wants to get out of her crib thing so he'll

00:37:53.000 crawl into the crib then lift her up and dump her out on the floor while putting something like soft

00:37:58.620 under at first you know but just really awesome and i think that the point isn't to just raise

00:38:06.020 kids it's to raise kids who can work together to crush the type of children that somebody like

00:38:11.620 andrew tate will raise and you can always have more i mean this is what we've seen with israel

00:38:16.140 versus the countries around it it doesn't matter if you're just pumping out tons of kids if you

00:38:21.680 don't have technology you're not going to be able to force project and or or the ability to coordinate

00:38:27.560 in mass and andrew tate is sort of raising the archetypical weak child example that would have

00:38:35.820 worked in some historical context but it's not good in this world not in a modern context yeah

00:38:41.100 so the way that they scaled their operations is is pretty messed up i mean they they sort of

00:38:49.220 exhausted instagram and social media networks really quickly and they focused on young women

00:38:54.980 who were from impoverished or really really messed up backgrounds like they'd been abused

00:38:59.900 or whatever i mean like common recruiting tactic obviously for victims so after that they same as

00:39:05.520 Epstein. I know. These two guys would have been such bros. I know. No, for real. It's like they

00:39:10.780 were sharing notes. They then hired a female British entrepreneur named Naomi John to launch

00:39:18.140 a recruitment agency that they called Model Stars, which described itself in promotional materials 0.85

00:39:22.900 as an all-female business in which women help other women to escape the 95 work schedule and

00:39:28.640 earn life-changing amounts of money where basically naomi would manage all these women who would 1.00

00:39:35.620 never see directly their earnings and then she would take a huge cut send a huge cut to the tates

00:39:40.440 and then the girls would get a pittance basically and then over time they started to reach out to

00:39:45.540 high schoolers and then they would host parties at their compound and andrew tate would even share

00:39:50.340 videos of these with the war room his super expensive subscription class saying like 16 0.96

00:39:56.780 year old hoes are all over the house he wrote adding more girls equals more money which is 0.87

00:40:02.260 super sick and the way he would recruit women is both he and tate would like hone in on one 1.00

00:40:09.500 love bomb her tell her big stories and you know these are women who are impoverished who've like

00:40:14.680 probably never left their local town i will fly you know do you want to see the sunset in dubai

00:40:20.560 have you ever you know rode in a bugatti have you ever like flown in a plane or gone skydiving

00:40:26.600 right so they're selling this huge thing and acting super nice and having these deep conversations 0.73

00:40:30.760 with them and they bring them over and then they have sex with them and then they they have the

00:40:37.360 original girlfriend hreskova sell them on the stream of like i'm living this glamorous life 0.98

00:40:42.020 here with these men and it's so great and then they'd get the victim drunk and have a threesome

00:40:46.800 and then they'd make them live in the romanian compound and not permit them to leave and they

00:40:53.100 silenced women and sort of prevented them from leaving by torching their reputations or threatening

00:40:58.900 worse. From the article, one of Tristan Tate's top defenders described Tristan as behaving like

00:41:04.160 a dictator and said that when she decided to leave, he attacked her verbally and hacked her

00:41:09.200 social media accounts. One of his associates threatened to set fire to her car. The Tate's

00:41:14.160 messages show that they repeatedly ordered associates to punish women by hijacking their

00:41:18.340 social media accounts and posting pornographic images of them to their followers. When another

00:41:23.620 worker fled the operation, Tristan told Naomi John to log into her Instagram account and, quote,

00:41:28.520 burn it down. Another woman, Liana Ventilla, who grew unhappy, was told by text that he had mafia

00:41:35.840 connections who might try to find her and that he had the same blood chemistry as a serial killer.

00:41:41.520 A few days later, after she wrote him that she was miserable, he had summoned her to his bedroom.

00:41:45.840 there ventilla said he punched her in the face and rapid her squeezing her head painfully between

00:41:52.900 his hands she said he threatened to get her pregnant and then lock her in a house so that

00:41:57.600 she would definitely quote definitely go crazy end quote which yeah yeah this is not also youtube

00:42:07.060 if you're thinking of like censoring this or something keep in mind like the algorithm it's

00:42:11.520 important that people know about this like you are strictly facilitating violence against women

00:42:17.820 if you silence this because there are a lot of people who are unaware of genuinely how bad this

00:42:25.060 guy is yeah and i don't just think it's him i think it's actually from from remembering the

00:42:30.740 manosphere days there were two types of influencers there was a type like women are screwing us over 0.98

00:42:35.080 and then there was the type that was and here's how we screw women over yeah like women women are 1.00

00:42:41.080 basically dumb cows and the only thing they're useful for is like making me feel good and making 1.00

00:42:48.120 money and that's not going to work civilization right like if you take that model and you try 0.98

00:42:53.720 to build that into a civilizational ecosystem you're going to fail or you're going to create 0.87

00:42:58.640 something not dissimilar from modern day islamism you know the sort of isis culture the culture of 0.99

00:43:04.380 gaza and that just doesn't produce flourishing civilizationally or in any other context and it 1.00

00:43:09.220 makes your people easy to stamp out and that's why i don't want that for my people right like 0.94

00:43:13.420 even if i could get more pleasure myself even if i could go out there and do i mean something

00:43:20.960 equivalent to what takes the the money you can make what's also funny is like in a way we sort

00:43:26.760 of sell a similar product to andrew tate's product in that you can use our fab.ai for any sort of a

00:43:33.840 fantasy you want to use it for if you want to be in a violent fantasy you want to be a whatever

00:43:38.340 but no one's actually getting hurt right like it removes all of the negatives of his world

00:43:45.680 yeah yeah like i mean there are people who get off on all sorts of things and that's not a

00:43:55.980 reflection of your moral endorsements at all what does become a reflection of your moral endorsements

00:44:02.280 is what you actually do so if you really need to exercise something you do it in the least harm

00:44:08.580 causing way possible right and instead of going after actual women also he paid off local police

00:44:15.320 to suppress reports this also from the article court records show that local police sat on at

00:44:19.280 least two reports indicating that the dates were coercing romanian women into sex work

00:44:23.940 andrew openly discussed bribing law enforcement officials in war room chats and bragged on social

00:44:29.300 media about his connections. His efforts were so successful that despite one new recruit from

00:44:34.060 Miami literally getting the U.S. embassy to raid the Tate's Romanian compound in which she was

00:44:39.000 trapped, resulting in the women present being taken into custody in an investigation into human

00:44:43.740 trafficking, Andrew and Tristan were quickly released after questioning. And what makes all

00:44:49.280 of this worse is that he and his brother were actively working to bring it to scale. So this

00:44:54.540 war room like membership super special program they had yeah cost between three thousand and

00:45:01.060 eight thousand dollars a month to join because again he just fleeces over anyone that will

00:45:06.300 follow him and takes anything that he can from them all the money he can and and in his war room

00:45:12.040 he teaches members how to recruit women into his words sexual slavery his words his words well 0.93

00:45:20.920 because in an islamic context that's what makes it moral that's what makes it moral absolutely

00:45:25.520 yeah if it were like marriage no an abusive relate a trusting relationship girlfriends who

00:45:32.220 you pimp out no yeah and through it's he does this through tutorials that that tate refers to

00:45:39.140 as his phd aka pimping hose degree great so he uses his own victims as case studies in this too

00:45:48.220 like he'll have videos of them he'll include like accounts on like texts between them how he

00:45:54.020 wore down like you know many of them were like look i'm a christian girl i really don't want to

00:45:58.300 do this and he's like and here's how i overcame that argument i'm reading from the article again 0.99

00:46:02.840 tate's pimping hose degree course was the core of the curriculum some women are more susceptible to 1.00

00:46:08.180 being molded tate told pupils to gauge a woman's malleability members were taught to dismiss her 0.97

00:46:14.220 harshly after sex and then demand an act of service buying a coffee or chocolate cooking a 0.57

00:46:19.500 meal if she complied she was through to the next level which is just great he clearly enabled men

00:46:26.300 to do horrible things too like the the it's documented so again from the article one star

00:46:31.040 pupil was a texan man who said that he was making six figures while his girlfriend streamed for 13

00:46:36.140 hour stretches he posted a photograph of her bent over a stool in a grimy workspace next to a table 0.91

00:46:43.160 set with what appeared to be lubricant wipes and sex toys quote got her on chatterbait and sleeping

00:46:49.840 in the concrete floor garage with no ac spiders and roaches he wrote absolutely legendary work

00:46:56.860 tristan responded that's aspirational for them then they made that happen this woman there's a

00:47:05.100 there's a woman somewhere surrounded by spiders and cockroaches being actively abused right now

00:47:10.640 thanks to the tapes well i mean i think that they should investigate through the war room right like

00:47:16.740 why not they really should they should they should go yeah they should pull every membership and in

00:47:21.340 fact i mean some of the more prominent members actually have already been arrested and including

00:47:25.200 this man who i'm about to read about so i'll continue the most zealous pimp was a meaty

00:47:30.360 shaven-headed romanian named vlad obuzic who ran a webcam studio in bucharest

00:47:36.400 jumping forward when another member asked obuzik how he subdued recruits he gave a recent example

00:47:44.800 quote i took her keyboard and hit her in the head with it she went in the room and worked seven

00:47:50.300 hours without any break he said later adding that he had beaten every woman he'd been with

00:47:55.640 some users were perturbed thank god by obuzik stories quote that just sounds like abuse to me 0.98

00:48:03.980 one wrote the one person who was dumb enough to pay for this but not dumb enough to fall for it

00:48:09.240 i guess but the tates elevated obouzik he got his own channel the revenge room where he taught quote 0.95

00:48:15.720 raw uncensored methods of pimping and handling women unquote and his status grew he dispensed

00:48:22.500 lessons on handling local law enforcement quote i had multiple charges for beating people up

00:48:28.140 hitting them with bricks in the head etc and i just paid 500 to 1 000 and nothing happened he

00:48:34.940 said if you position yourself right corruption suits you this is just so great also just people

00:48:42.600 following his social media right because this the tastes are like elevated level nick fuentes is at

00:48:48.400 that like lower level where he talks a big game but i don't believe he actually follows through

00:48:52.640 and actually committing atrocities himself but even just posting this stuff like to non-members

00:48:57.960 just the general misogynistic stuff that tate posts has appeared to have caused damage i mean

00:49:04.160 this appears it's correlation but likely causation again from the article his influence is being felt

00:49:10.060 around the world last year a 17 year old boy in new jersey allegedly drove his car into two teenage

00:49:15.500 girls killing them both after joking on a live stream about women getting ropped by tate in

00:49:22.600 In Britain, a man who had recently watched about 10 of Tate's videos,

00:49:26.400 roped his ex-girlfriend and murdered her, her mother and her sister, using a crossbow.

00:49:31.920 British police have warned that Tate's teachings are radicalizing young men in a terrifying manner

00:49:36.360 and declared that violence against women is a natural emergency. 0.77

00:49:40.240 Reports of ropes and sexual asshats in British schools and some involving victims as young as five

00:49:49.260 have soared in the past five years and education leaders describe violent misogyny spreading on an 0.90

00:49:54.300 epidemic scale some concerns have been reported across north america and asia so speaking of all

00:50:01.040 this kind of treatment toward women let's talk about the taliban now oh by the way before we get

00:50:05.700 to that i just had a thought i was applying the heuristic i came up with was guys from the

00:50:10.620 manosphere days that core thing was looking like the most masculine you're gonna think about the

00:50:15.960 guy who had that terrible like home video who was screaming at his pregnant wife about the dogs or

00:50:21.780 something yeah he he definitely fits into one of those categories but i think about like the

00:50:25.240 wider new right and there was two things i noted here one is is that the core enemy of the new

00:50:31.280 right was one of those guys remember hassan was a manosphere influencer was he extra masculine

00:50:40.120 yeah he has a video like old enough to count old enough to mount oh no and he yeah he used to be a

00:50:46.240 manosphere like a mannish influencer like be the manliest man and he looks like it too and then you

00:50:53.040 go to like the actual heads of our community and i just realized like of the the males who are

00:50:59.400 influential in our community i might be the most traditionally masculine consider you've got rev

00:51:06.320 says desu certainly not a traditionally masculine out well that's just because he's manifesting

00:51:11.660 this vampire girl you've got i don't want to look at a dude all day you've got nux who's not really

00:51:17.920 he's he's got his own thing you've got asthma gold who i don't know i think i i probably look

00:51:21.540 slightly more traditionally masculine than asthma gold you have shorter hair yeah nux looks pretty

00:51:27.640 like buff in his suit he looked boyish interview i would say i don't i don't know what he looks

00:51:33.620 like i don't know i just know what his body looks like oh yeah no yeah the avatar is boyish but like

00:51:39.240 in his actual like body interview that he did with someone he looks like he like goes to the gym

00:51:44.880 kind of person yeah yeah which is good i mean obviously like raw egg nationalist is definitely

00:51:51.160 more masculine oh yeah yeah yeah yeah but he's right he has to be he was in tucker carlson's

00:51:55.580 end of men documentary you know it's his job and v who now does face tubing the romanian v tv guy

00:52:02.920 oh he does face you yeah he looks exactly the way you'd expect okay cool just like standard

00:52:10.680 eastern european guy yeah yeah yeah yeah no that's masculine look we're not gonna have a

00:52:16.000 i guess i think you look more masculine than him yeah it's yeah but that's just interesting that

00:52:22.300 that hassan like the one person still in our wider sphere of cultural relevance he's the one guy

00:52:28.600 i wish we had an accurate body count you might have the highest body count

00:52:32.920 body count of what sex yes oh obviously there's no like even among like ayla's circle i know i

00:52:43.560 know i know i i mug people yeah yeah i i i was at least the last time counted at a quarter of

00:52:52.300 ayla's count which is astonishing given that i'm a guy and i stopped after college of course she

00:52:58.960 those are count yeah he did stop after well a little after college even before before your

00:53:05.160 your grad degree yeah before my grad degree yeah anyway continue with the taliban the taliban

00:53:13.840 right so he caught on with them after he converted to islam in late 2022 and then shortly after his

00:53:20.840 december 22 arrest in romania samir khan who's a tate supporter hosted or participated in a twitter

00:53:27.380 space involving people presenting as Afghan Taliban, where participants repeatedly said

00:53:32.920 they were worried about Andrew Tate and asked if he was free yet, and stated that Westerners

00:53:37.920 quote, need Andrew Tate because we are oppressed by feminists. One named participant claimed

00:53:43.700 affiliation with the Cultural Commission of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, and that accounts

00:53:48.940 operating under names like Taliban, Public Relations Department, Commentary, that is to say

00:53:53.720 Taliban PRD underscore and similar handles which linked to official Islamic Emirate English site

00:54:00.060 like their official site posted multiple statements of support they demanded Andrew

00:54:05.540 Tate's immediate release the Taliban's treating him like he's like a captured Taliban member

00:54:11.580 yeah they claimed the Taliban movement was the only entity exerting diplomatic pressure on Romania

00:54:17.700 for the Tate's freedom and stated, quote, the Matrix will not defeat hashtag Andrew Tate.

00:54:24.180 They offered Tate brothers Afghan citizenship and, quote, masculine passports, which is great.

00:54:31.980 Once released, framing this as a protection against, quote, kidnapping by hashtag Matrix

00:54:37.320 affiliated nations, end quote. They compared Afghanistan to Andrew Tate, straight, rugged,

00:54:44.760 and stiff to the point they likened tate to julian assange as freedom-loving warriors mocked

00:54:51.580 figures like boris johnson as matrix members and said quote the emirates will battle tooth and nail

00:54:58.880 to free them just great and and after andrew tate publicly converted to islam in october

00:55:05.200 of 2022 wait so this was all before he converted no no it was after it was after he converted in

00:55:11.960 october arrested in december and then after all that like in in the intervening years between 2022

00:55:17.240 and now he has ultimately gotten a much more diversified and expanded audience especially

00:55:22.960 among young muslim men where his original audience largely stuck around he actually didn't lose that

00:55:28.720 much ground which is another reason why i'm having this episode i'm like no he's not what you think

00:55:32.640 he is i thought he was just a funny bombastic man well so what i do know is of u.s school children

00:55:38.880 there was at one point when he ranked number one yeah it's like the top like today among u.s

00:55:44.980 school children it's dropped by over 50 well i hope that what who's like the the main guy 0.72

00:55:50.020 influencer clavicular clavicular i'll take it and i'll take like clavicular is an asexual autistic

00:55:58.860 you know like that's my it's my people i'm i'm ready for that i'll take it he's not hurting 0.79

00:56:05.680 anyone aside from himself man he's hammering his own face you know yeah he doesn't appear to be a

00:56:11.700 malicious person from what i can see no i mean honestly yeah it's the dog that caught the car

00:56:17.100 i kind of wish people would just leave him alone he does he does do one malicious thing which is

00:56:21.920 probably pretty good and really funny i don't know you've seen these videos because it's like

00:56:25.120 a whole series it's the type of convicular video i see the most is he'll find out if a girl who's

00:56:30.200 trying to sleep with him has a boyfriend and then call to tell the boyfriend while she's there like

00:56:35.000 panicking what that's wholesome yeah like trying to catch girls out on their bs like that's super

00:56:41.540 wholesome oh young lady oh i like come on doesn't that make you love him but who knows he might

00:56:48.620 betray me like andrew tate because look even the even the victims of andrew tate like have been

00:56:55.360 explicit in in their interviews like he's funny like he and tristan are funny like they have a

00:56:59.960 good sense of humor and they're smart and that's the big problem is again we make this assumption

00:57:04.980 that if someone's smart and they have a good sense of humor they couldn't possibly be a monster like

00:57:08.820 they couldn't possibly be subhuman and have no moral judgment and do terrible things because

00:57:13.120 smart funny people can't be bad and i still struggle with this i'm like how can you how does

00:57:20.420 how does this work i it's but anyway so he had explosive growth in mid 2022 especially on tiktok

00:57:27.180 through his clips and then let's see if we just look at a timeline so when he was reinstated on x

00:57:34.300 in 2022 in november he had 38 000 followers two days later a million late december 2022

00:57:42.280 4.1 to 4.5 million december 2023 a year later 8.5 million 2024 9.9 million 25 26

00:57:53.140 now we're about like 10.85 million so he's no he's definitely not falling off it's just i think he's

00:57:59.820 growing especially among a muslim audience he's falling off among like the united states like

00:58:05.560 right-wing audience but he's growing among a muslim audience yes i think that's the muslim 0.97

00:58:09.780 audience allows him to negatively impact many more people because you know he's a more central 0.99

00:58:15.100 influencer there and i think that the this is a positive thing that that happened for our culture

00:58:21.320 right that like essentially we went through this cultural evolution where it was like yeah women 1.00

00:58:29.380 have really fucked up society but like the goal is to fix society not to punish women yeah we want 0.99

00:58:34.620 everyone to be okay we we this isn't and to be clear like there are women who are just as egregious 0.98

00:58:41.640 as as andrew tate you know who refuse to believe that that one mother who killed her own children 0.50

00:58:48.340 did it they're like even if she did do it she didn't do it it was her husband like they they're

00:58:52.080 just so anti-man that they won't even allow a conversation about i've had the other side of

00:58:59.400 that conversation really ugly as well the guys who are like she did it voluntarily or like she

00:59:04.260 wasn't it seems very obvious to me she was undergoing psychosis and obviously it has

00:59:09.240 people like oh she was able to plan you can plan when you're in a psychotic state like it's about

00:59:14.800 extreme delusional paranoia but you can plan you can even do like people try to do assassinations

00:59:19.840 in those states like andrew hinckley remember like trying to assassinate reagan like you can

00:59:24.200 you can do large multi-step processes but the regret that she will live with for the rest of

00:59:31.540 her life is and the memories she's going to live with in her head no i would rather be dead i would 0.89

00:59:37.180 so rather be dead i would rather be dead i would rather be dead than her than than having to live 0.98

00:59:41.980 the rest of my life my old age everything with those memories but this is this is to say that

00:59:48.960 I'm not saying that like Andrew Tate and and other really bad actors in the like manosphere space are

00:59:55.860 the only ones and that there are women who are also doing egregiously horrendously horrible

01:00:01.720 unspeakable things but all of those people are bad actors who need to be identified and removed

01:00:07.240 from society they are not you know we're equal opportunity here this is not like this class of

01:00:13.900 person is evil it's like look no you need to find your bad actors who are outliers and get rid of

01:00:18.180 them anyway he was so good at fleecing people over because people assumed that andrew tate was

01:00:23.440 was human that they they just assumed the same things he did and i i don't blame

01:00:28.340 the people who came to his side but let's let's go over who did right because i mean i would have

01:00:34.280 thought for him until recently because i just thought he was a bombast after andrew and we've

01:00:40.140 seen the other side falsely accuse people of so many things you know so yes we generally just

01:00:45.340 don't take it seriously like we know what it's like to have media cover you and influencers

01:00:50.540 cover you and just say outright lies then you're like the southern one is the one that really

01:00:55.900 cinches it for me because i know she's not lying there is like because it destroys her like whole

01:01:00.320 thing to to come out about it yeah like that that's what really cinched it for me too i'm like

01:01:04.380 but also like that he would use this dynamic of the right community the right-wing community of

01:01:10.640 like look we're all here to help each other to not only like pitch to her here's how it's we

01:01:15.120 fleece over people who care about us but also then to personally assault her but after andrew

01:01:21.660 tate was deplatformed he signed an agreement with rumble which he for which he received six million

01:01:26.500 dollars per year in exchange for just one weekly quota of five short videos and a 30 minute live

01:01:32.860 stream that's not good for rumble that's that makes rumble look really bad yeah according to

01:01:37.460 blake quote his presence inspired a 45 percent increase in active users sending rumble to first

01:01:43.880 place on the Apple and Google charts. A few months later, Elon Musk brought Twitter and reinstated

01:01:49.520 Tate's account. So Musk also gave him a chance. Quote, when Tate was arrested on human trafficking

01:01:54.920 charges, his allies defended him. Donald Trump Jr. called the case absolute insanity. And Musk

01:02:00.680 suggested that the authorities were targeting the Tate's while ignoring, quote, actual sex

01:02:05.800 trafficking. Tucker Carlson, who had just released a documentary called The End of Men, devoted hours

01:02:11.260 of airtime to proclaiming tate's innocence so did right-wing podcaster candace owens the activist

01:02:17.140 charlie kirk praised him on stage quote what he says is so powerful kirk said but back then we

01:02:23.600 didn't know like no and that's the thing is i'm this is how good andrew tate was and i we were we

01:02:29.040 would have said exactly the same stuff like we did in our early videos on andrew tate we were much

01:02:32.940 more like trying to understand his perspective trying to understand his fans perspective and

01:02:36.920 here's what really cinches it for me. Even Heidi Blake, the author of this article, who wrote all

01:02:43.600 the stuff, went through even more, you know, like all these court records that we'll never see the

01:02:47.360 light of day that only she saw, right? Despite all of this, she writes this. Despite his mixed

01:02:54.780 heritage, he promoted the great replacement theory, declaring, quote, the West is collapsing 1.00

01:02:59.380 because it's full of disgusting traitors, white people who beg to be erased. And he's not acting. 1.00

01:03:06.920 like disappearing white people is bad he's saying they're disgusting traitors and she's totally 0.99

01:03:11.520 misreading that thinking that he's speaking as someone who is with people who are afraid of that 1.00

01:03:17.700 which is a dumb idea anyway but i genuinely believe that he just thinks everyone is a stupid idiot 1.00

01:03:23.520 who deserves to be replaced who deserves to be well no he's i mean he's fully cited with the 1.00

01:03:28.740 islamist agenda right i know no yeah he's he's he's probably yeah i mean i so it's funny that's

01:03:34.400 his goal right like i i think the the people aren't like listening through to the other side

01:03:41.640 looking who his allies are now they you've got to keep in mind you know in in afghanistan there's

01:03:48.260 conservatives as well like isis is a conservative organization right you know there are the iranian

01:03:56.180 government is a conservative government being a conservative of a culture that is fundamentally

01:04:01.800 opposed to my culture and historically wants to eradicate my culture and is in the moment

01:04:09.620 attempting to eradicate my culture that's more opposite to me than the progressives are because

01:04:17.380 the progressives won't exist in 100 or 200 years the ideologies that tate is metastasizing within

01:04:23.460 muslim communities right now where those communities don't fall apart in many places they are 0.59

01:04:28.360 those are going to be the cultural milieu that the next wave of immigrants is going to have

01:04:34.660 it was also so sad because islam can go in many directions and islam doesn't have to be a 0.95

01:04:39.580 misogynistic horrible uncivilized religion it doesn't like there there are ways to do islam 0.91

01:04:46.080 but the problem is highest and discipline texts allow it and the christian texts don't that's 0.99

01:04:53.640 true that is true and that that's what makes islam inherently too delicate for us to feel 0.77

01:04:57.640 we can condone or support or be comfortable with. What I am saying, though, is that with the right 1.00

01:05:02.860 influencers at play, there is definitely a future timeline in which Islam is fine. Islam does 0.99

01:05:09.180 produce human flourishing. We are not seeing that timeline. And Andrew Tate is playing a core role 1.00

01:05:14.320 in moving the timeline in the worst possible direction for Islam as a religion and its ability 0.95

01:05:22.060 to produce human flourishing. He's producing the complete opposite. He's turning women into slaves 1.00

01:05:27.540 and men into worse than animals and i think that's disgusting well and i think that this is why

01:05:32.740 having the concept of a pre-adamite is useful yeah like as soon as we developed that it's really

01:05:38.200 changed the way i see other people in terms of like do i really need to have compassion for

01:05:42.140 everyone and once you realize oh well that's not necessarily biblical and then i was like oh okay

01:05:47.120 okay now i can understand how i'm supposed to relate to somebody like andrew tate

01:05:51.440 yeah it's sad it's sad new news headline not everyone who's funny and smart

01:05:57.800 is human and our community should have some rules or levels of restrictions around the people who

01:06:08.160 we give our trust to yeah or you know trust but verify yeah and uh yeah well you can't always

01:06:16.240 verify you can't always believe every don't fly to romania to meet with this is why i was very

01:06:23.400 clear we don't make the thing anybody who's accused of grape anyone who's accused of sexual

01:06:28.580 impropriety anyone we make it what they're selling to you i am the manniest man who ever manned oh

01:06:35.260 yeah that's what they're selling to you yeah then you don't need to know anything else you can just 0.99

01:06:40.940 know you can't trust them because that's a stupid value set that isn't even a value set that's not 0.99

01:06:46.480 even an aspiration to have a value it's an identity yeah that's not an aspiration to have a morality 1.00

01:06:51.440 that's the manosphere version of being trans no i mean it like literally is and we have the same

01:07:00.480 we stand in the same level of opposition to gender affirming care that stays within lanes like

01:07:05.440 we're just as against a natal male using dangerous levels of steroids to look extra beefy 0.59

01:07:12.160 and for a natal female to drop tens of thousands of dollars on plastic surgery as we are for a 0.64

01:07:18.420 trans person to invest in gender reassignment care or gender affirming care like it's all

01:07:23.700 exactly the same stuff and it's all living for an identity sorry people should understand it's it's 1.00

01:07:28.920 turning your life's purpose into a search for affirmation of an identity which should not matter

01:07:36.020 there is no way you are a moral person if your life's purpose is the affirmation of a specific

01:07:42.640 identity rather than some goal you have for humanity or some religious framework especially

01:07:48.700 because your satisfaction is requiring it's dependent on the revocation of others consent

01:07:54.480 because in order for you to be happy you need to against the will of other people make them think

01:08:00.380 a certain thing about you which you can't you certainly can't and so at least you can to an

01:08:05.900 extent but we should live in this here yes great to chat with you thanks for bringing this up

01:08:11.180 goodbye sir dead mice oh my gosh sorry right yeah i'll come through with the bag and get the dead

01:08:20.760 mice now first it's the hornets then it's the mice but that is look it's the natural world

01:08:28.220 is a glorious and beautiful thing okay so let it be and it's in our house that's when it's not

01:08:34.740 yeah well look it's not we're not we have a lot of people listen to this podcast and live in

01:08:42.100 australia where you have to worry about like scorpions in your shoes and all those snakes

01:08:47.100 are miraculously dangerously venomous i have to yeah it'd be terrifying to know my kids could just

01:08:54.720 die from playing in our yard i've got to tell our fans about how perceptive my wife is because

01:09:03.640 this i was reminded of this when listening to an amv was his song right she used to think the song

01:09:10.000 that goes like the ceiling can't hold us went like we're ceiling fan holders that's what it

01:09:18.600 sounds like that's like we're ceiling fan a bunch of gangsters feel like like we're ceiling fan

01:09:27.140 holders i can't hear anything else i don't know how you can hear anything else i mean and look

01:09:33.480 i think i'm not alone in hearing these things like that taylor swift song where she talks about

01:09:39.360 being starbucks lovers she is not saying star-crossed lovers she is saying starbucks

01:09:44.960 lovers and i don't know how much money she was paid by starbucks to say that but

01:09:48.960 and then just tell everyone with a straight face that she didn't just sing starbucks lovers this

01:09:55.560 is this is the world we live in now they just lie to your face they just lie straight to your face

01:10:00.000 it's disgusting and so you think he was promoted by big ceiling fan holder

01:10:06.820 did he got he got a bride from the ceiling fan holder lobby yeah just their one big thing they

01:10:13.240 spend it all on one song yeah man yeah and then they just lied to us that we did not just say

01:10:19.100 ceiling fan holders yeah they're like no no it's like the ceiling can't hold well look the ceiling

01:10:26.300 was never holding anyone it never made any sense from the beginning okay look it the ceiling can't

01:10:34.100 hold us you mean the floor do you mean your hammock do you mean like no i don't know

01:10:41.080 it's not even like what holds you a harness a harness i don't know that look music they're

01:10:49.800 going up and that's why the ceiling is posing up a problem in terms of their

01:10:54.180 go up relative positions the jumping yeah i guess jumping into the ceiling like so they're going to

01:11:02.360 they're going to cause the ceiling to crash down upon them by jumping so vigorously jumping and

01:11:09.180 hitting their head on the ceiling or maybe they're standing in the apartment above them

01:11:16.180 trying to crash through their floor like their ceiling can't hold them the one instance in which 1.00

01:11:21.420 like the ceiling can't hold us has a lot of weight is idiots who try to put up like sex chairs you 1.00

01:11:28.920 know like those swinging like sex things on their ceilings with not on load-bearing beams how does 1.00

01:11:34.340 that work would the one person hangs suspended and then the other person has sex with them 0.98

01:11:41.100 because it's easier to move their body around like the way that that cow or goat is held in

01:11:47.240 the jurassic park movie yes like that oh god like that seriously that's how it works like that and

01:11:54.720 then people put these in their houses but they don't they're Jurassic Park goading themselves

01:11:59.220 this is a thing this is Jurassic that's exactly a thing they're Jurassic Park goading themselves

01:12:04.420 I didn't know this was a thing I know that I know that there's a lot of suspending of things from

01:12:09.980 ceilings for like very spendy parents whose children have sensory issues so like they have

01:12:17.960 all these like thing like hammocky things and spinny things and like fabric based hangers and

01:12:25.240 i bet people walk into the kids playrooms and they just think that they're sex dungeons they

01:12:29.180 must think that i didn't know this was a thing that's what i would think if ever i saw like a

01:12:33.280 hook on somebody's ceiling and that's what that's what people thought when they walked into the

01:12:37.380 living room of my childhood house and they saw because it looked like a sex dungeon they saw

01:12:41.780 the pilates catalog table and the reformer it doesn't help that they call it the reformer

01:12:46.620 it's it sounds bdsm let me reform you you need to get reformed it may be a little bdsm simone

01:12:55.160 i don't think so joseph pilates developed that kind of thing the reformers kind of based off

01:13:00.600 systems that he built on hospital beds for for people recovering from the war where you couldn't

01:13:07.100 exercise you know the leg that you were that was blown off and so he would put strings on their

01:13:13.140 hospital bed so they could like keep their arms toned and like rebuild core strength even though

01:13:17.640 they were bedridden so no like actually for real for once this this it's not pervy and yet it looks

01:13:26.200 so freaking bad oh god not that like my family got to be precluded from any of that because then you

01:13:32.960 walk immediately to like the bookshelves and then you see what's sitting there which was not great

01:13:37.380 as you discovered the hard way which is why you never walk into your girlfriend's house

01:13:41.640 and try to pick up a book to start a conversation i know see your your parents had only like

01:13:46.800 performative smart books in their houses because they had show homes you know it was all like

01:13:50.800 you could pick it off and you'd be like oh yes it's meditations by marcus aurelius

01:13:55.380 let us discuss stoicism no they had a few like photography pervy books that looked sort of

01:14:03.340 bondagey yeah and there's just a really explicit like and your house is just like a hentai like

01:14:10.560 like let's go straight to the straight to the slop yeah it was like that mixed with like my

01:14:17.000 mom's college books on like ebonics and feminine it was a very strange strange house anyway huh

01:14:25.560 shall we get into it wait before we get started i'll take a pill so i can get this you need to

01:14:31.240 let's i actually so examine you know the the company that gives reviews of like supplements

01:14:36.460 and does sort of systematic reviews of health information and stuff.

01:14:41.340 In their latest newsletter, they talk about pill size

01:14:44.420 being one of the major hazards of supplements.

01:14:48.240 And you're not trying my method.

01:14:50.880 No, you're not even-

01:14:51.700 I didn't have any in my mouth.

01:14:53.160 I was just tasting if it was bad.

01:14:54.980 Oh, okay.

01:14:55.740 So put it in your mouth and then let it sit right there.

01:14:59.400 I found a version of your method that is tolerable to me.

01:15:02.520 Okay, but it helped?

01:15:03.960 It did help, yes.

01:15:05.720 Yeah, all right.

01:15:06.240 Explain it for the fans for bad tasting pills, right? Yeah. So if you're taking a bad tasting

01:15:10.360 pill, you take a swig of whatever it is. Don't swallow it. The liquid that you're going to use,

01:15:15.420 then you tilt your head back with it sitting like right over your throat. And then you

01:15:21.400 drop the pill into the pool, sitting over the funnel of your throat, open up your throat,

01:15:27.200 let it all just flush through. And the pill never sits on your tongue. The liquid never sits in your

01:15:31.920 mouth so that incredibly bitter pill does not seek malcolm you're just doing it you just let

01:15:36.980 it sit on your tongue he just lets it sit on his tongue that that is how not to do it ladies and

01:15:42.000 gentlemen that is how it's not look at him look he's suffering because he didn't use the sim one

01:15:46.940 method that's your okay what i do is now after doing it what i learned the key is is to make

01:15:52.320 sure it breaks from the tongue so i like make my tongue concave to make sure it's it's actually

01:15:59.000 suspended in the solution amateur no you don't ever let it touch your tongue anyway the big

01:16:04.240 liability being that like actually pill size is a really big issue for a lot of pill takers because

01:16:10.120 they have trouble swallowing pills and oh my god i wonder if there's a correlation between women who

01:16:16.260 can deep throat and like pill swallowing problems no one who deep throats will ever say they have

01:16:22.340 a problem swallowing pills and like everyone's is like oh i could never i could never i could

01:16:27.180 never give head like they will they will just choke on their pills and he showed this really

01:16:30.840 gnarly horrible image of someone mid-surgery pulling a calcium pill i know exactly the type

01:16:36.740 of calcium pill because i take them every freaking day taking it from a dislodged like it's it's 0.95

01:16:41.800 stuck in an abscess within someone's throat just disgusting i love i love watching why do you do 0.66

01:16:48.780 that because it's why do i no i don't just take the large calcium pills i throw all the large 0.55

01:16:55.040 pills in my mouth at the same time. And then I just swallow because I shouldn't have made that

01:17:00.740 earlier. Let's change the subject and start the episode. You ready? I'm ready. Okay. All right.

01:17:07.860 I'm going to show your pajama pants in this episode. Make sure you're close to the mic. 0.98

01:17:10.940 You can, we need to buy that mic stand. I wear pajama pants more because they're way cooler

01:17:16.760 than wearing jeans, like, like chillier. And it's so hot. It's so hot. Yeah. And we've had

01:17:23.040 our air conditioning blasting all day i need to figure out what's turning it off at night because

01:17:26.900 i i have it on but i think our smart system's like oh yes let me help you save energy and then

01:17:31.220 we we sweat to death we get the sweating sickness i wake up in the middle of the night because i'm

01:17:35.240 overheated yeah it's not great hey that woke you up though so maybe i shouldn't try to fix it

01:17:41.340 maybe this is the key all right come on okay okay i'm sorry i had to like

01:17:47.320 had to burp great okay

01:17:50.680 it's a cicada titan

01:18:20.680 A big cicada? You saw a big cicada?

01:18:31.100 Thank you, Indy. Can I get your feet cleaned off, girl? 1.00

01:18:39.180 Yeah, I think we need your proper shoes. 1.00

01:18:44.100 Right. 1.00

01:18:48.000 Come on, Indy.

01:18:50.680 yeah let's get you cleaned up yeah you had fun

Based Camp - August 21, 2026

Andrew Tate Truth Bomb Drops： Worse Than Anyone Thought Possible

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