Based Camp - Based Camp： Reading Reddit Hate Comments

00:00:01.000 Hello, Malcolm.

00:00:02.500 Hello, Simone. It's wonderful to be here with you today. What are we talking about?

00:00:07.140 We are talking about Reddit, which is one of our favorite places on the internet, even when it hates us. Right?

00:00:13.820 Oh, no. Is this going to be one of those ones where you read mean things to me and I have to react?

00:00:19.920 I would love that. Honestly, sometimes people ping our accounts because they know us, like they know who we are on Reddit.

00:00:28.240 So I'll get a little email notification. And then there's some really long thread that talks about how we're terrible people.

00:00:34.980 Well, I love that. No, that's great.

00:00:36.880 Yeah, I personally really enjoy seeing people get roasted online.

00:00:41.800 But I also wonder what those people think about their comments about them.

00:00:46.500 And so I think we're only doing the internet a service by offering our thoughts to those who might care.

00:00:53.100 No, I agree. I always want to do one of those those Bane things when people are like, oh, people are making fun of you online.

00:01:00.580 Like, are you scared? And it's like, I, you know, I was born in the darkness.

00:01:06.700 I was born in the cringe. Yes.

00:01:09.560 I, I proposed to her on Reddit with like bronies and stuff.

00:01:17.200 I love people are like, they think we have this like elite self image or something.

00:01:20.320 It's like, we have been unapologetically nerdy from day one.

00:01:26.360 I do not know where anyone started calling us elite.

00:01:30.540 Elite gamers, maybe, as I say, but I don't think, yeah.

00:01:34.120 All right. So let's go over these Reddit threads.

00:01:36.160 Well, and it's so context, the Reddit thread that we're going over is one that posted a show them a picture you can see.

00:01:46.180 Yeah. So someone posted a screenshot of, I think, a tweet about us and specifically a Telegraph article that framed us as the elite couples breeding to save mankind,

00:01:58.960 which is how the Telegraph chose to frame our pronatalist advocacy.

00:02:04.140 And I think what really got people about that is, by the way, this is their words, not ours.

00:02:10.160 It's not like we show up and like talk to journalists about our pronatalist advocacy.

00:02:14.740 And we're like, well, we'll only speak to you if you frame us as elites and breeders.

00:02:20.860 As elite, as an elite couple.

00:02:22.960 As elite breeders.

00:02:24.500 I think that we care about pronatalism because we think our genes are superior to everyone else's.

00:02:33.560 It's like, what?

00:02:35.700 That's the majority of people want to hear, right?

00:02:37.540 They don't want to actually engage with any of the ideas because they may have to change the views on the world.

00:02:42.560 Oh, God forbid.

00:02:43.200 Yes. So anyway, so somebody tweeted, somebody tweeted this.

00:02:48.100 They posted an image of someone saying, I'm honestly struggling to come up with a joke about this.

00:02:52.460 I'm just super confused.

00:02:53.760 What makes them elite?

00:02:54.680 The fact that they look like nearsighted parsnips.

00:02:57.220 What am I missing here?

00:02:59.200 The first comment is, how are they elite?

00:03:02.320 And yet they both look 14 and 40 at the same time.

00:03:05.520 Which is, I guess, both a compliment and-

00:03:09.580 We are around 40, so-

00:03:12.880 Well, to me, it's kind of an insult, right?

00:03:15.080 Because I identify as a 62-year-old woman and they're off by quite a few years.

00:03:22.540 That one's not biting enough.

00:03:23.800 Let's keep going.

00:03:25.880 Well, they say it's all in our clothes that we dress old and therefore.

00:03:30.900 But I think it's because you have a baby face that you look young.

00:03:33.560 I don't think you have a baby face.

00:03:36.100 I have a youthful face.

00:03:37.460 A youthful, okay.

00:03:39.020 A baby face that have a bunch of fat on it, okay?

00:03:41.460 I have a teenager face.

00:03:44.060 You have a teenager face. 0.58

00:03:45.580 You have a youthful spring in your step.

00:03:48.260 I think it's low amounts of, you know, if you don't allow-

00:03:50.460 Well, someone says here that we haven't had enough stress in our life to display as grown up, as most people perceive it.

00:03:56.960 So our phenotype will continue to stay as it is.

00:04:00.180 I actually think that's true.

00:04:01.240 I think that stress ages people.

00:04:03.240 And I think that you sort of get a certain number of units of stress in your life as opposed to years of age.

00:04:07.860 So agree with that comment 100%.

00:04:10.600 Agree.

00:04:11.100 Yeah, they say you either-

00:04:12.000 It's not that we haven't had stressful things happen to us.

00:04:14.140 Like Simone knows my origin story.

00:04:16.460 Like I've had a-

00:04:17.720 Both of us have had very stressful lives.

00:04:20.020 The answer is whether or not you allow the stress to eat at you or whether or not you choose just to not feel it and just move on with things.

00:04:29.420 Well, they say we're either the most chill and laid-back people ever or so incredibly privileged we can't even imagine.

00:04:36.680 They have a guess, of course, that we are so privileged and out of touch that we would never show age because like vampires who feast on the blood of the weak, we benefit from, you know, I don't know, the disempowered. 0.85

00:04:52.780 More people emphasize that we look like we're in our mid-20s, but we dress like boomers.

00:04:59.840 And some people think that we are trying to use the fact that we like having sex to justify-

00:05:12.780 Like I guess that we are prenatalists because we need a reason to look intelligent for liking sex enough to have a lot of kids.

00:05:22.060 You read the comment?

00:05:23.600 Yeah.

00:05:24.200 They're breeding to save mankind.

00:05:25.720 We all know what kind they are. 0.99

00:05:27.200 Dudes, it's okay to admit you like orgasms. 0.71

00:05:30.220 No need to bring it to the future of the human race. 0.92

00:05:33.240 Hopefully that's the weirdest thing I will write all day.

00:05:35.340 Okay, well, so this is really interesting for two fronts.

00:05:39.460 One is this whole idea of kind.

00:05:41.100 Like our whole organization, everything we focus on is on preserving human diversity.

00:05:45.160 I know that people like us are going to be okay because we'll make sure they're okay with our own breeding efforts.

00:05:50.920 The only reason we're public about this is because we want people not like us to also exist in the future.

00:05:56.060 You know, as we often say, if we have just eight kids, which we're definitely going to have, and they have eight kids,

00:06:00.520 and you do that for just 11 generations, or we will unless something goes majorly wrong, you know, that's more descendants than live on Earth today.

00:06:07.500 I'm not worried about people like us.

00:06:09.880 In terms of the second point there, which I find really interesting because it's something we get all the time,

00:06:13.580 is people being like, you have a breeding fetish.

00:06:15.240 Our kids are produced through IVF, so that's nonsensical.

00:06:19.600 But it's, I think, a sign as to how depraved our society has become through this sort of ideological mind virus

00:06:26.260 that has infected, you know, urban populations in our society and the universities of our society,

00:06:32.500 progressivism more broadly, but there's a specific brand of it that's really just like this virus it eats.

00:06:37.880 The way people see the world, so they're no longer able to consider other ideas,

00:06:42.020 and they are not able to imagine a reason for a person to do something outside of sexual gratification

00:06:51.460 or it being a portion of their sexual or gender identity,

00:06:56.140 to the extent that they're not able to imagine why we would ideologically be interested in continuing the human race.

00:07:04.200 Well, one person, I would say, has taken both of those arguments that you've made,

00:07:09.740 or both of those concepts, but, like, also completely misinterpreted them.

00:07:13.900 So this person says, these two are specifically convinced that it's their responsibility to populate the world

00:07:20.300 with their very special genes, and they have plans, and I think either contracts or pledges

00:07:25.880 demanded that each of their descendants have at least eight kids for the next 11 generations.

00:07:32.020 I honestly would not be surprised to discover they'd never had sex and did it all through IVF.

00:07:38.500 Well, we did do it all through IVF, so they are very right.

00:07:43.200 We do not have any sort of contract or pledge like that or anything.

00:07:47.200 It's more just, I think if you look at the groups that are high fertility in the face of prosperity,

00:07:55.500 they are often groups with distinct and defined cultures, which we have.

00:07:59.260 I mean, that's what makes us cringe, because we're different from mainstream society.

00:08:02.360 We go against that.

00:08:03.900 And in addition to that, they are able to pitch to their kids that the way that their culture is different,

00:08:10.200 one of which for us is having a lot of kids, is a better way to be than what the sort of mainstream social pressures are selling you.

00:08:18.660 But if we can't make that pitch, then our kids will go off with regular society, or they'll try to outdo us by creating something better.

00:08:26.040 Both of which are things we encourage, you know, you get 18 years to make a pitch to your kids to follow in your cultural footsteps,

00:08:33.040 or that the way that you're doing things is a good way to do things.

00:08:36.340 If you fail to make that pitch, then your kids should be doing something different.

00:08:42.220 Unless they've been in some way, you know, converted using shady tactics,

00:08:46.000 like, bullying, or threats, or like, you can't get a job unless you publicly express these views, or stuff like that.

00:08:52.900 I mean, that's the way that much of the world used to deconvert Jewish populations, 1.00

00:08:57.000 which is why, like, the crypto-Jews were the only rural Jews to exist in, like, Spain and stuff like that.

00:09:02.520 It's very effective when you tell someone,

00:09:04.300 oh, you can't get a job if you hold a specific, you know, belief system, or you can't.

00:09:08.580 Side note, though, crypto-Jews needs to be, like, a new, like... 0.95

00:09:13.520 Sorry, we...

00:09:14.480 No, I know, I know, but, like...

00:09:16.460 Uneducated people might think we mean Jews who are into crypto.

00:09:19.540 I know.

00:09:20.720 Crypto-Jews was a faction of Jews. 0.69

00:09:23.200 It was a rural population of Jews that lived in Spain during, like, the 1800s,

00:09:27.300 and a portion of them migrated to the Americas,

00:09:31.320 and they exist in low percentages,

00:09:34.040 but it's a fairly unique Jewish culture that exists in the countryside was in Mexico today, and it's...

00:09:39.900 However...

00:09:40.580 Read the book, The Pragmatist Guide to Crafting Religion,

00:09:42.280 if you're interested in, like, rare religious denominations.

00:09:44.640 So, they also comment on our children.

00:09:47.640 They refer to our choice to name our youngest daughter, our first daughter, Titan Invictus.

00:09:54.400 That name, which is awesome.

00:09:57.280 They say, I'm rolling my eyes as hard as I can right now.

00:10:00.820 Another person says, I'm sorry, Titan Invictus?

00:10:04.160 Are they breeding elite children or supervillains?

00:10:06.700 This is the Harvard Law version of naming your chid, Coachella Harambe, which I love.

00:10:12.460 I agree.

00:10:13.340 It is.

00:10:14.460 It really is.

00:10:15.660 I...

00:10:16.420 Supervillains?

00:10:17.780 Who doesn't want, you know, like, out of all of our children,

00:10:21.380 if we had one real supervillain, that'd be a lot of fun.

00:10:24.120 But in addition to that, why we name our kids something different,

00:10:27.820 one, it's our cultural heritage.

00:10:29.260 Like, we do often say we're secular Calvinists.

00:10:30.980 We come from Calvinist tradition.

00:10:32.700 And nominative determinism has always been a tradition.

00:10:35.280 That's why you get a lot of names in Calvinist culture, like chastity or purity or...

00:10:41.860 Or increase.

00:10:43.480 Increase matters or...

00:10:45.560 You know, so you...

00:10:47.280 Yeah.

00:10:47.900 It's just a tradition thing.

00:10:49.400 And so we try to name our kids things that align with our values.

00:10:52.180 Another great comment that I quite enjoy is,

00:10:56.840 that article should have been titled, 0.99

00:10:58.460 Rich People Are Fucking Tone Deaf. 0.99

00:11:00.240 You all know it, but here are some more examples. 1.00

00:11:03.260 Which is great.

00:11:04.440 I like that.

00:11:04.900 That's a good joke.

00:11:05.920 Yeah.

00:11:06.240 It follows our thing on humor, which is humor is one of those things

00:11:09.320 that is unexpected, but it makes sense when you consider it in context.

00:11:14.220 And yeah, but we're not actually that rich, so...

00:11:17.460 I love that that's the one thing that no one ever questions, though.

00:11:20.220 Yeah, they're all like...

00:11:21.020 They question our motives.

00:11:22.560 They think that we think our genes are superior, which we don't.

00:11:26.080 They think that we are eugenicists, which we aren't.

00:11:29.540 They think all these things.

00:11:30.860 The one thing they will never question is we are wealthy.

00:11:35.280 One of my favorites was it's one...

00:11:37.280 I've looked into it.

00:11:39.140 I don't even think they're billionaires.

00:11:42.360 You think?

00:11:43.280 Yay! 0.99

00:11:44.160 You think, guys?

00:11:45.880 Detective Doofy's first.

00:11:47.880 Yeah.

00:11:48.320 Detective Doofy.

00:11:49.720 That's the meme.

00:11:50.880 Continue.

00:11:51.540 People are, again, so disturbed by our choice to name our daughter Titan Invictus.

00:11:55.840 One person says, ignoring the thinking Titan Invictus is in any way a suitable name for 0.95

00:12:00.960 a child and not an invitation to bully the shit out of them. 0.98

00:12:04.200 Her daughter? 0.99

00:12:05.320 I'd have almost understood if they inflicted that on a boy.

00:12:07.940 But in what warped Habsburg world do you chain that millstone to a girl?

00:12:13.640 They also note that her name should be Titania Invictus.

00:12:19.960 Which we know.

00:12:20.980 We specifically named her male names, which we do with all of the girls in our family.

00:12:25.400 You could read our book for why we do that.

00:12:27.260 I mean, it does lead to higher income.

00:12:30.080 Statistically speaking, lower levels of psychological illnesses and stuff like that.

00:12:34.600 Like, there's a ton of reasons, but also we don't, like, if you talk about the ways our

00:12:39.860 culture is different from other cultures, people are like, people will bully them. 0.99

00:12:42.920 It's like, I was bullied as a kid.

00:12:45.080 You were bullied as a kid.

00:12:46.740 You want, to some extent, if you are different from mainstream society, for your kids to undergo

00:12:51.580 some level of bullying so they know the type of person they don't want to be like.

00:12:57.020 Or as one of the commenters put it, they wanted to avoid something effeminate, so they

00:13:00.700 picked a 70s male porn star name.

00:13:02.500 Yes.

00:13:04.300 Titan is a 70s male porn star name? 0.99

00:13:07.140 I guess I don't watch enough porn. 1.00

00:13:08.500 No, maybe it just sounds like that, but they also point out that, quote, it's a fucking 0.99

00:13:12.420 font, unquote. 0.98

00:13:13.680 But that's okay.

00:13:14.240 Font names are great.

00:13:14.780 Isn't it a font?

00:13:15.460 Hold on.

00:13:15.940 You had mentioned this before, and I'm going to look this up.

00:13:19.140 Yeah, that's a recurring joke in this thread, is that Titan Invictus is a font, which-

00:13:24.920 It's definitely not a fault.

00:13:26.720 It would actually be fun if all of our-

00:13:30.500 If someone had a family of children that was just font names.

00:13:33.420 I'd say Invictus is a font, and Titan is a font.

00:13:36.220 Let's see. 0.91

00:13:39.180 This is so ridiculous. 0.98

00:13:40.840 One person says, this is so ridiculously cringe. 0.98

00:13:43.440 They watched Idiocracy and took the premise from the prologue at face value and decided

00:13:48.080 they did not want to be the couple who waited too long.

00:13:50.660 And for some reason, the richest man in the galaxy is foretelling population collapse like

00:13:55.380 a cold reader with a crystal ball.

00:13:57.540 Absolutely abominable, even for the telegraph.

00:14:00.460 You know, we've actually seen a lot of this, people saying that we're just trying to live

00:14:07.380 out the plot of Idiocracy, which is odd.

00:14:10.980 I mean, first, Idiocracy is a movie in which doesn't the leader of the known world try to

00:14:19.600 appoint the smartest person possible to solve their problems?

00:14:22.020 I love how reasonable that is.

00:14:23.660 But no, what they mean by Idiocracy is just the idea that smart people have less kids,

00:14:29.520 which is just an objective fact of reality today.

00:14:33.540 And that the secondary belief that some portion of IQ has a hereditary component, which is

00:14:40.020 mainstream academic consensus today.

00:14:42.680 Just look up the Wikipedia article on this.

00:14:44.540 It is not academic consensus that any of this is ethnically linked or anything like that.

00:14:49.560 But that broadly speaking, there are some genetic correlates to IQ that is just so obvious from

00:14:56.620 the research.

00:14:57.660 And so if people with those genetic correlates are having kids at lower rates, and it's

00:15:01.080 not just people with lower IQ, people with those genetic correlates, you can see this

00:15:03.660 in the data, IQ would drop in a population overall.

00:15:07.200 However, that is not what's concerning to us.

00:15:09.520 Like, it is something that is like objectively happening in the world, but it is also something

00:15:13.800 that is just disinteresting to us.

00:15:15.880 Because what we're more concerned about is all of the cultures that are dying out.

00:15:19.680 And the vastly less diverse world that our children are going to inherit. 1.00

00:15:25.500 Which doesn't seem to be what anyone thinks.

00:15:28.800 And I think that's the interesting thing about articles that are more likely to be shared

00:15:34.440 about our pernitalist advocacy.

00:15:36.000 They're not at all about that.

00:15:37.660 They're not about pernitalist advocacy.

00:15:38.660 You can't talk about it.

00:15:38.800 It's hard to have murky views about that.

00:15:40.600 Because it's something that's obviously happening, and nobody wants to take a stance against it.

00:15:44.020 Yeah, what instead gets shared is anything that insinuates, these people think that they're

00:15:49.400 superior somehow.

00:15:51.020 Look at them.

00:15:51.840 They're trying to reproduce. 0.99

00:15:53.260 How disgusting. 0.97

00:15:54.860 And then everyone just chumps on it because it's so delicious.

00:15:57.640 Which is more of what we're getting if they say, one person says, if they're so scientific

00:16:03.580 and into eugenics, they would have at least done some testing and measurements to prove

00:16:08.040 their genes are that good.

00:16:09.740 Seems like they're just sitting on ignorance peak of the intellect curve.

00:16:13.760 Quote, I can't imagine someone smarter than me.

00:16:16.520 So I must be the smartest, unquote.

00:16:18.960 If someone had at least proven they had greater immunity, intelligence, healing, and lack of

00:16:22.700 genetic diseases than almost anyone else, eugenics would still suck. 1.00

00:16:26.400 But at least they would have a reason that it should be them.

00:16:30.240 So I don't know.

00:16:31.400 Yeah, that people look at what we're doing, and they think that in some way, we think we're

00:16:34.860 better than other people.

00:16:36.520 We are broadcasting the idea that more people need to have more kids because we don't just

00:16:44.040 want our descendants in the future because we think the world would be lesser if it's

00:16:48.000 just people like us.

00:16:49.700 And we are editing our DNA.

00:16:51.560 Like, we are, well, not editing, but like, you know, selecting based on genomes, the embryos

00:16:57.380 that we choose to use, in part because we don't think our genes are perfect.

00:17:02.520 Like, we wouldn't be doing all this if we thought we had great genes.

00:17:06.060 Very confusing.

00:17:07.240 Like, it requires no intellectual engagement with anything we've put out there.

00:17:11.480 But continue.

00:17:11.960 Well, one, and there's a compliment.

00:17:15.260 One person says, I thought this was the guy from the Kingsman movies, which is, but then,

00:17:21.340 you know, a lot of people are very insulted that someone would ever, ever imply that because

00:17:27.660 we are evil and disgusting. 0.95

00:17:30.360 So. 1.00

00:17:30.700 Oh yeah, of course.

00:17:31.960 Yeah.

00:17:32.160 Because we're not, we're not on board with their complete, like, this is what's true in

00:17:36.880 the world today.

00:17:37.660 If you say anything else, then you are evil.

00:17:39.560 Well, that's what the virus says.

00:17:41.860 A lot of people are saying that we are self-proclaimed elites, which is interesting because we didn't.

00:17:47.700 We didn't call ourselves elites.

00:17:48.700 Yahoo News was the one who actually first used that term.

00:17:51.760 I really like this one comment.

00:17:53.820 House Hunters, Aryan edition. 0.86

00:17:55.400 She's a lesbian muse for Philadelphia's worst beat poet. 1.00

00:17:58.080 He looked, he booked a lens crafter spot eight years ago and turned it into his whole personality.

00:18:03.580 Their budget is 4.7 million.

00:18:06.420 I love glasses are like our thing.

00:18:09.740 Like.

00:18:09.960 Yeah.

00:18:10.400 No, there seems to be a correlation.

00:18:12.280 I noticed this a lot in online comments between lens thickness.

00:18:15.640 Both of us are wearing really thick lens.

00:18:17.760 Sorry, not lens, frame thickness.

00:18:19.460 So we're wearing thick framed glasses in the picture.

00:18:22.640 And people seem to think that that correlates with lens strength, even though I don't technically

00:18:28.020 even need to wear glasses, which is interesting.

00:18:30.620 I think they're not familiar.

00:18:32.440 Explain why you wear glasses.

00:18:33.240 I wear glasses because research has indicated that while glasses make you seem less attractive

00:18:40.060 and approachable, they make you seem more smart and competent.

00:18:43.560 And I would much rather be seen as smart and competent than attractive and approachable.

00:18:48.220 So if you're going to live in a prejudiced society, you may as well twist it to your advantage.

00:18:52.780 Yes.

00:18:53.520 Yeah.

00:18:53.980 A couple of people have commented on wealthy people supposedly thinking that wealth is a

00:19:00.220 genetic trait and conflating that.

00:19:01.920 I don't know why.

00:19:03.800 Earning potential is a genetic trait.

00:19:05.160 That's the thing.

00:19:06.240 You can even see a picture of it from like your Nebula score.

00:19:08.260 Yeah.

00:19:08.720 But like literally if you log onto Nebula and like you do a full sequence, you can literally

00:19:13.880 see a polygenic risk score for your earning potential.

00:19:17.800 People have done that correlate before.

00:19:19.460 It's very genetic.

00:19:20.860 Yeah.

00:19:22.180 So again, not that we are breeding because we're trying to increase our traits in the future.

00:19:28.520 Yeah.

00:19:28.840 Another person says we look like gender swapped versions of the same person, which ties into

00:19:34.000 the already floated online theory that we are just the same person.

00:19:40.180 That's my favorite conspiracy theory about cosplaying as the other person cosplaying as

00:19:43.920 the other one.

00:19:44.520 That's why like we're not in the same room in these clips.

00:19:47.000 Well, yeah, because, you know, I have to like record this again and again.

00:19:50.940 It's it's very difficult.

00:19:52.640 I honestly think that, you know, we should get credit for that.

00:19:55.980 I'd be very impressed if somebody pulled that off.

00:19:58.320 One person guarantees we get divorced within two years. 0.99

00:20:01.420 So start the timer, people.

00:20:03.840 Let's, you know, put out a prediction market.

00:20:07.480 Put some money on this.

00:20:08.940 It's just not true.

00:20:09.540 I can't be rude if you wanted to divorce me.

00:20:12.640 You don't know how much, how much of my life I have outsourced to her.

00:20:20.180 And in ITU, though, we kind of really need each other.

00:20:22.740 No, but Simone, I would I would be really boned.

00:20:25.860 So please don't don't die.

00:20:28.640 One person says that we look like Rainn Wilson and Tilda Swinton bumping uglies to compensate 1.00

00:20:34.640 for the overpopulation of stupid people. 1.00

00:20:38.280 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:38.380 What does what does Rainn Wilson look like?

00:20:41.400 I know it's white.

00:20:43.560 Dwight's from the office.

00:20:45.920 Oh, my God.

00:20:46.840 And Tilda Swinton looks like my mother. 0.99

00:20:48.400 So I see it.

00:20:49.400 I can see it's like I look like I look like I look like Tilda Swinton.

00:20:53.440 But my mother looks more like Tilda Swinton when she was younger. 0.55

00:20:56.240 Let's see.

00:20:56.700 Tilda Swinton.

00:20:58.240 Young Tilda Swinton.

00:20:59.560 Tilda Swinton's like she's she's all right.

00:21:02.340 I'll take it.

00:21:03.360 Tilda Swinton as a teenager looks a lot like you.

00:21:06.160 Oh, really?

00:21:07.500 Sweet.

00:21:08.380 OK, so I'll take that.

00:21:10.180 You get Kingsman.

00:21:11.160 That's good when you're that age.

00:21:12.080 Yeah.

00:21:12.160 And I get I don't think I look like Dwight at all.

00:21:14.420 No, you don't.

00:21:15.340 But someone else thought you were the Kingsman.

00:21:17.620 So, like, you know, that's you get that.

00:21:19.460 And I get Tilda Swinton.

00:21:20.420 That's exciting.

00:21:21.600 People continue to call us eugenics or eugenicists.

00:21:25.180 So let's just let's be clear.

00:21:28.020 When Wikipedia defines eugenics, it has sort of two core components.

00:21:32.160 One of those components is those practicing eugenics have concluded that there are some traits that are universally good in some way, universally desirable or not desirable.

00:21:44.220 And then the second element is that they, in some coercive way, are trying to impose proliferation of that good trait or elimination of that bad trait.

00:21:55.400 It could be through money, like maybe they give people money for people who have those traits of breeding.

00:22:01.040 Both of those things are antithetical to everything our movement stands for.

00:22:06.440 Exactly.

00:22:06.700 We believe some cultures believe that certain genetic traits are better than others.

00:22:11.420 And within our family unit, we may select some.

00:22:14.120 But what we like is that the utility of the genetic technology will allow for new forms of humanity and iterations of human diversity to emerge based on cultural preferences, which is what is so exciting.

00:22:28.800 And in addition to that, everything we do is fighting against any of this technology ever being used in a coercive manner.

00:22:37.760 We do fight to make the technology cheaper for people to use so that it's not only available to like the wealthy, but yeah, all of that is just so we're like anti-eugenicists is what I call our position, because it's one of the things where people are like, oh, you're on a soccer field. 0.82

00:22:54.660 You must be on the red team.

00:22:55.780 And it's like, no, we're on the blue team.

00:22:57.540 Like, yes, we're both on the same soccer field, but we're literally on opposite teams.

00:23:02.880 We're on the same soccer field in that we admit that humans have genes and that those genes affect things like a person's sociological profile.

00:23:11.960 But I think that's just admitting like mainstream science at this point.

00:23:17.780 Yeah.

00:23:20.360 But, you know, that's.

00:23:22.040 Don't say humans have genes.

00:23:23.740 Oh, my gosh.

00:23:24.400 No, no.

00:23:26.180 I mean, I think that's.

00:23:27.220 They can't possibly affect any.

00:23:29.540 Once humans developed consciousness, a bubble formed around our brains and no longer do genes matter.

00:23:35.160 Actually, this is a side note where I often say here that it's really interesting that we pointed this out in our tweet thread that it is very racist to say that the genes that differ between human psychological profiles can only change over very long periods of time, like 100,000 years or something like that.

00:23:53.900 Because that is the time span upon which, like the superficial ethnic differences that we recognize and like classify people into different ethnic groups differentiated.

00:24:04.180 So that would mean that there were like persistent mental differences between ethnic groups.

00:24:08.320 Whereas if you believe like we do and like the science suggests that these psychologically linked or sociologically linked genetic markers change over the span of 100 years or 200 years pretty dramatically, then there would be no meaningful ethnic grouping of them.

00:24:25.000 Which is weird that these people think they're arguing against a racist position, but the position they're arguing, so long as you believe in evolution, is a very racist position to argue.

00:24:34.600 One person says, Batman's parents died for looking like that, which I love.

00:24:42.820 Can I? Yes! I love that we look like that.

00:24:45.320 You want to be Batman's parents?

00:24:46.480 I don't have pearls on. I need pearls on.

00:24:48.860 I know, that's the big problem is I need the pearls and then we'll make it work.

00:24:53.320 We'll make it work.

00:24:55.220 Multiple people are comparing you to Carl from Up, which I think is...

00:25:00.600 Do I look like that? Are they saying that our...

00:25:02.200 No, it's the square glasses, you know, the old guy from Up has very square or rectangular glasses.

00:25:10.380 Oh, one person calls you Budget Kingsman. Again, I guess, but I think maybe, and this is interesting, that the only like contemporary like example we have of someone who wears a suit is the movie Kingsman, which is...

00:25:24.620 Yeah, that's really surprising. I'm not like wearing...

00:25:26.820 In this picture, I'm not like wearing something weird.

00:25:29.820 Oh, you know what though? Maybe it's the chunky, it's chunky glasses and a tie. And it's like the only other place where people have seen chunky glasses and a tie. There's, there's that.

00:25:40.040 And why did she only put on the suit because the photographer asked me to? I was wearing a t-shirt before that.

00:25:44.940 Yeah, yeah. She wanted to, yeah, she wanted the top of that. I feel like it's very awkward to when photographers come to our house because then they, you know, post the photos on social media or whatever. And a lot of people comment on how like, oh, the photos look great, but how disturbing. I can't believe you were in the house of these Nazi eugenicists. What was it like?

00:26:06.200 Like, and I feel like whenever photographers come to our house, you know, we're like chatting and having fun and like, it's all good. And then like, they come home and some article comes out and then a bunch of people are like, oh my God, I can't believe, like, what was it like? And they're like, oh, it was something, you know, like they can't say like, nah.

00:26:28.020 The broader thing about our ideology is I often find that whenever somebody like sits down and talks to us about it, they almost always agree with like 98 to 100% of it. But they'll either say, well, you guys are right, but I can't say this publicly. Or they're just like, oh yeah, I thought you believed something totally different. And it's like, maybe Twitter isn't a great source. We say that that's like getting your news from news sources. It's like getting your nutrients from a human centipede.

00:26:57.540 Well, wait, yeah, someone apparently who knew us posted in this thread. So one person wrote, I know these two dot dot dot grown. Oh, who could it be? And then one person said, oh God, I turned off my notifications because duh, and I was scrolling and I saw this. Anything you can tell us? Can you see many people have recurring comments? This person says, not really. They're really nice people as it happens. And they are very successful in what they do.

00:27:26.560 They're self made with fingers and a lot of pies. They are both super eccentric in a nice way. And whilst I was a bit cringe to see them flouting their fertility all over the papers, I'm not entirely surprised. I met them a couple of years ago at a social event. They're a high performing couple who are very bright with lots of talent. Good luck to them, I say.

00:27:46.100 That is us. And this is what I say when people meet us. They're like, oh, actually, you guys are really, your beliefs are eccentric, but not like, it's more the way that we word them as eccentric because we point out things that other people should be noticing, but they don't.

00:28:03.720 The fact that we, as a species, haven't figured out how to make any culture prosperous, gender egalitarian, and high in education, and above fertility rate, like anywhere close to replacement rate fertility, that means that this whole society we aspire to is a bit of a con job that only works because it siphons people from other groups. 0.80

00:28:24.980 And it's like, well, we're getting close to the point where the pyramid scheme is about to break. We should be paying attention to this, but you can't call out the emperor having no clothes, you know, because the emperor's tailors are the ones who run society right now.

00:28:40.300 What did some people say to him saying that we were nice people? Did they have any comments under it?

00:28:45.360 Yeah, no, the response is, the person was like, well, I can't believe they signed off on the language that the Telegraph article used about them, which is not how it works.

00:28:55.280 You don't get to choose what people say about you.

00:28:57.580 People randomly reach out to us, and they say, I'm covering demographic collapse, or I'm covering reprotech, or pronatalism, or whatever it is that we care about.

00:29:06.500 And we are very open and transparent with everyone because we believe that if it's a balanced article, then at the very least, people will learn more about an issue we care about.

00:29:17.020 If it's not a balanced article, hopefully we can share enough of our views where people will share it out of rage, but then reasonable people with good reading comprehension and sound minds will ultimately see, oh, this is a reasonable kind of important issue.

00:29:34.520 And so we're still better off sharing it, but what happens is journalists talk with us, either they come in person or they call us.

00:29:41.960 We are very open and honest with them, and then they go dark, and for weeks we have no idea what's going to happen.

00:29:48.020 And then one day someone texts us, or we get a Google alert, or someone starts tweeting a bunch of hate at us, and we're like, well, okay, I guess some new articles out.

00:29:57.540 And then we see for the first time what happens, and that's it.

00:30:02.200 That's it.

00:30:02.860 We have no control over this.

00:30:04.220 There's no signing off on it.

00:30:05.540 There is no, we insist on being called elite or breeders.

00:30:09.620 You know, these are actually pretty dehumanizing terms.

00:30:12.600 We don't go out there saying we're super, we're elite super breeders.

00:30:16.560 Yeah, that's kind of gross.

00:30:20.180 But I like that you used that title.

00:30:21.640 It did very well in the...

00:30:23.740 Yeah, no, I mean, I thought it was funny.

00:30:25.820 I mean, I think it's very funny.

00:30:27.780 I think the best kind of article is one with a dishonest or sensational title, but honest reporting.

00:30:32.780 And the Telegraph article was very honest about our actual beliefs.

00:30:37.160 I was really impressed with it, because that gives both sides of an online fight the chance to argue about you.

00:30:42.460 You know, the uneducated side that just reads the title, and then the educated side that reads the full article, and then you get this battle.

00:30:48.340 Unfortunately, the educated side is always going to be smaller, but that doesn't matter.

00:30:51.980 I mean, at least the ideas are getting out there, because if you look at the articles about us, yes, they're proliferating.

00:30:59.280 But you look at the ideas that we're putting out there, hey, you need to start paying attention to fertility rates.

00:31:04.060 Those are gaining enough attention that the UN recently put out a big thing saying...

00:31:07.880 Stop fretting about fertility.

00:31:09.060 Stop worrying about fertility rates and start focusing on environmentalism, immigration, and gender equality.

00:31:16.120 And it's like, oh, well, UN's going to UN, but if we're getting under their skin, that's a good thing.

00:31:22.320 Because nobody was talking about this issue a year ago before we started doing the rounds on it.

00:31:27.140 And I'm kind of excited.

00:31:28.640 I actually really like when really unflattering stuff about us gets posted that makes other people want to cover us. 0.98

00:31:34.280 Because what happens is then, like, other journalists reach out because they want to cover the shit show and the cringe. 0.94

00:31:40.620 And then they get on the phone, and you actually have a chance to speak with them. 0.98

00:31:45.560 And there have been multiple calls where I'm just, like, sitting there laughing because you're going through what we actually advocate for and what we're talking about.

00:31:52.820 And, like, I just remember that you were on the phone with one woman with a TV station and just her being like, oh, God.

00:32:01.420 Oh, God.

00:32:02.420 Like, just...

00:32:03.160 No, just going over the numbers.

00:32:04.700 And she's like, oh, God.

00:32:05.820 Oh, God.

00:32:06.780 Like, is that true?

00:32:07.840 Can you check that?

00:32:08.760 And then they're like, oh, no, the numbers aren't really that bad.

00:32:11.360 Yeah, like, oh, I never thought of that.

00:32:13.340 Like, so, and that's what really the reward is for us, is we get a ton of hate. 1.00

00:32:18.240 We look like complete idiots online. 0.57

00:32:20.060 And then in the end, a lot of very influential people who are able to share really important information with a lot of audiences for totally the wrong reason engage with us, but then end up learning about an advocacy issue that is actually a really big deal. 0.98

00:32:36.980 And so...

00:32:37.040 That's what was my favorite thing, when somebody hates us, and then later I see them supporting us.

00:32:41.860 Yeah.

00:32:42.080 Because that's how I know that we really got to somebody.

00:32:44.920 We always call that Ayla Ng, because she does such a good job at that, and I really admire her ability to do that.

00:32:50.060 It's very easy to be a social media person or a public figure that people support because you're saying things they already believe.

00:33:00.660 You're not really doing anything if you're doing that.

00:33:02.440 You're just surfing a wave of public sentiment.

00:33:04.320 However, if you're a public media figure, like Aylin, that's one of the reasons I respect you so much, where people start by following you because they don't agree with you or they think they don't agree with you, and then they hear your perspective more, they engage with you more, and they change their beliefs based on that, very, very few public media figures are able to surf waves that they create themselves.

00:33:28.060 Mm-hmm.

00:33:29.300 Yeah.

00:33:29.860 Well, and to change views.

00:33:31.480 Yeah.

00:33:31.720 Most people rise and become leaders because they represent a zeitgeist that's growing.

00:33:39.080 It's very, very hard to come across people who change that.

00:33:41.300 And then what you really want to do, I mean, I think when we know we've really made it, is when we have people surfing our wake.

00:33:46.260 When we are the motorboat and the waves that we are creating are the waves that other people are surfing.

00:33:54.720 Anyway, so what I, just to close this out, I am so lucky to be married to you because I wouldn't be able to do this on my own.

00:34:02.760 Going out there, you know, you have the superpower of autism, which to some extent protects you from all of this hate.

00:34:09.740 If I didn't have you filtering this for me, if I didn't have your constant support, I, emotionally, mentally, I'd not be able to deal with this.

00:34:21.200 And I can't tell you how much every day I am grateful and I know that all of my success comes from you.

00:34:28.200 That is so kind and so not true because you are the beating heart that makes all this run and I love you so freaking much.

00:34:36.200 You are the spark in our whole household and yeah, none of this would be happening were it not for you because I lack the creativity and initiative and ability to think things through, to actually engage in things.

00:34:47.960 You don't need to put yourself down.

00:34:48.780 You have all of those things and you know you have all of those things.

00:34:51.500 You can just say, I have creativity and you feast on it.

00:34:57.140 I do feast on your creativity.

00:34:59.380 Yes.

00:34:59.960 Speaking of feasting, we need to start dinner and get the kids.

00:35:02.840 So I will see you soon.

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