Based Camp - Did Woke 2.0 Already Fail？ An Evolutionary Anthropology of Woke

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be talking about

00:00:04.080 woke one woke two woke three people have been talking about this concept of woke two where it

00:00:11.960 was first really elucidated to me was the shoe on head video where she goes into i lived through

00:00:17.860 woke one and then i started reading articles on woke one and woke two and how they were defined

00:00:24.540 and then you came to me and you go well i think we're in woke three now which is wholly different

00:00:29.200 than woke two because woke three is predominantly about ai and i'd argue ai and being pro-terrorist

00:00:35.500 they sort of go together somehow but i decided to go into this and we're not going to be reading

00:00:41.680 the specific articles on this because when i went into this with ai to do analysis sentiment analysis

00:00:48.360 on x to try to understand okay the types of tweets that would fit this category of woke as it's been

00:00:56.240 defined by the major speakers where are we actually what it would argue is woke two is

00:01:03.100 already over woke yeah i agree i agree about halfway through this year and became woke three

00:01:09.140 which is totally different in kind and character absolutely okay so that's what you found too

00:01:14.600 yeah when shuan had gave her retrospective on mostly woke 1.0 she argued that woke 2.0

00:01:21.580 which was this more radical post-covid post-george floyd you know globalized intifada

00:01:29.100 abolish the police scary scary version it's she thought it was still going that we don't

00:01:35.300 really know how it's going to end no it's over it's already over it's gone it's it's gone yeah

00:01:40.100 yeah no i mean i think it evolved into the terrorist left that we talk about sometimes

00:01:44.260 you know the hassan pikers and nick fuentes that those sort of same people which by the way now

00:01:48.540 nick fuentes is even just like doing stuff with hunter biden right like they're collabing on

00:01:54.220 products and stuff like this he's not like larping as a leftist he is just a leftist now but i mean

00:01:59.920 it makes sense and we we predicted this i want to say like a year ago at least we're always like if

00:02:06.160 you look at the terrorist left like the left that is much more interested in seeing the west and

00:02:13.440 israel fall than in anything else they his viewpoint has way more in common with their

00:02:21.000 viewpoint in part because of his plan to destroy the western civilization so that it can be rebuilt

00:02:28.800 in his vision which doesn't make sense because his followers don't even have kids but like i'll

00:02:33.940 never understand that but you know that's that's where that alliance has come and you you see this

00:02:39.780 in a lot of leftist faces where they were just getting edgier and edgier and edgier and i think

00:02:44.120 the reason that this evolution happened was twofold one the edgier and edgier and edgier side 0.99

00:02:51.200 was always going to end in well let's kill jews and americans right like that's that's that's the 0.98

00:02:59.040 end point of edginess that has always been the end point of the edgy pipeline right like if you're 0.99

00:03:04.580 going to edge, edge, edge, edge, edge, you always end up in that position because that's canonically

00:03:12.440 in our society, the edgiest. And so I think that outside of even what historically often made

00:03:20.640 leftists anti-Jewish, this new sentiment just came downstream of like the edge funnel, except

00:03:28.320 their edginess was very different from the right's edginess. So the right also went down an edgy

00:03:33.900 pipeline you know that came from the 4chan days and everything like that but the right's edginess

00:03:38.860 was always comical in nature it was always meant to take the piss it was like a joke right and so

00:03:47.520 now it wasn't even comical it was jocular i think that because there's a lot of humor on the left

00:03:52.380 too but it's extremely cynical humor whereas the the humor that i see on the right is very silly

00:03:59.440 humor yeah and so on the on the right as if as the pipeline went and and you began to get hitler

00:04:06.920 jokes you began to get you know all those sorts of holocaust jokes stuff like that they were they

00:04:13.100 were still just jokes like they weren't things that really influenced the politics of mainstream 0.99

00:04:18.800 right-wing figures in these particular fields other than a few idiots like nick who'd been 0.99

00:04:24.640 went off to become a democrat the the the left however its edginess was motivated and you can 0.99

00:04:33.780 see this in the hassan streams you can see this in the the evolution of what became the terrorist 0.51

00:04:38.140 left in cynicism and anger and so their hey you know joke about you know uh eradication of israel

00:04:50.460 or something like this doesn't sound like it did on the right where it was it was said was a a laugh

00:04:55.440 and like meant to be edgy and like do you get it it is backed by an incredible amount of authentic 0.99

00:05:01.800 anger that they've been able to cultivate in themselves and and and let's kill the rat let's 0.97

00:05:07.340 punch a nazi let's you know this has been a long part with it like this this synthesizing of edginess 0.99

00:05:13.160 with calls to violence which also didn't really happen on the right people on the right would be

00:05:18.740 edgy but there was not many calls to violence on the right outside of the factions that has now

00:05:23.680 split and joined the left what are your thoughts on that yeah i mean that that tracks with what i

00:05:30.040 i see too yeah but then the the interesting thing is the anti-ai stuff but do you have more thoughts

00:05:35.080 before we go go more into like the cultural evolution and trying to track it no i've i've

00:05:39.660 plenty i want to say on the anti-ai stuff i'm super excited about it that's where you want to

00:05:43.220 Yeah. Okay. So how did this become, because it is, if you're like in the online culture wars and

00:05:48.860 it's all of the spaces of the online culture wars, typically bellwether communities, like the

00:05:53.640 knitting community, which I'm sure we'll be talking about here, have just gone fully AI

00:05:57.740 paranoid about everything. And when I was asking AI in terms of a sentiment analysis on X,

00:06:03.560 are there more among leftist tweeters, what we would generally think of as woke posting going on

00:06:10.060 are more anti-ai posting ah good question really way more anti-ai posting of course

00:06:17.360 that is now a more central issue than black lives that is now a more central issue than

00:06:23.760 trans stuff that is now a more central issue than immigration or ice or anything like that

00:06:30.240 and what i think created woke too and what led to its downfall so quickly is woke too was really

00:06:36.700 tied to like ice protesting no kings protesting everything like that and these just didn't really 0.91

00:06:41.620 go anywhere and everyone found out it was a bunch of old people like like only boomers were showing 0.95

00:06:45.660 up for this and that's not very fun or edgy or where you want to be right whereas woke three 0.93

00:06:51.840 i think also i think woke three is being heavily botted which allows for it to work but why don't

00:06:57.740 you go into your thoughts on the anti-ai and how how that became also very weird that the left

00:07:02.360 became the anti-ai party which we'll talk about but continue yeah i think we actually just had a

00:07:07.340 really serious turning point with it and it's it's with hank green who really goes back to like

00:07:14.240 the earliest of youtube did you watch the old vlog brothers videos no i never liked him yeah i mean

00:07:20.200 they weren't very interesting and i never really watched they weren't interesting or entertaining

00:07:24.180 he just wasn't well that's because it was early youtube so back when in the days when people just

00:07:29.680 would post pictures of their lunch on twitter and be like i'm i'm taking a walk like people

00:07:35.260 no really there were good early youtube creators like what's his face and he's still one of the

00:07:40.780 best creators out there bald guy who does a lot of my politics shows vsos i'm so sorry but that

00:07:46.480 was like 20 years later malcolm no sauce was 20 years after hank green i don't think fine look it

00:07:53.620 up while i talk because i think you'll notice so just for those who were not born by this period

00:07:58.320 Hank Green and his brother would basically send video messages to each other and post them on

00:08:03.980 YouTube. And because they were among the first people just consistently posting on that platform

00:08:09.400 when it was new, they became very big and became known as the Vlogbrothers. It went on to do very

00:08:14.360 other successful things, publishing very famous books, et cetera, that became movies like The

00:08:18.520 Fault in Our Stars. However, Hank Green still, yeah. They were only three and a half years before

00:08:25.120 vSauce that's that's that's a lot of time given how fast that is not a lot of time when you

00:08:30.760 consider the how slow i know vSauce is way better and i agree with you that his quality is way

00:08:36.400 better anyway sometimes just being there first makes a huge difference even by three years so

00:08:41.380 he hank green still publishes very consistently has several channels focuses mostly on education

00:08:48.320 and suddenly he is showing up all over headlines we've got vulture hank green can't apologize

00:08:54.640 enough for using ai mashable hank green apologizes for relying heavily on chat gpt

00:09:00.000 tech crunch youtuber hank green says his ai usage is not healthy and business insider youtube star

00:09:06.520 hank green says he's relied too heavily on ai in an apology to fans i'm just going to read a little

00:09:12.160 bit from the business insider one because i think it really helps to demonstrate what this new culture

00:09:17.280 war is going to look like as it plays out it rhymes a lot with the first one but before we go 0.86

00:09:22.540 any further i need to show our fans a sexy puritan woman named made after my wife that i had

00:09:28.140 because we can do this and they can't we can we can make fun and sexy anime girls and they can't 0.97

00:09:35.420 do it we you'll be shocked when it when you discover yeah how he got in trouble for using

00:09:42.440 okay go go go go so from the article hank green one of the internet's most steadfast and reliable

00:09:47.500 content creators said he's slowing down production after fans criticized him for using ai

00:09:52.220 quote expect less hank's channel it may need to pause for a while green wrote it may be that

00:09:58.180 hank's channel comes back with writing and research support it may be that it comes back

00:10:02.640 with just way fewer videos green said smush and 4x3 two online daily word games he produces

00:10:09.180 will be paused the fresh discourse surrounding green's use of ai it was sparked earlier that

00:10:15.540 day on x where he told users he had used open ai's chat gpt to research a script

00:10:20.600 the revelation shocked some x users who suggested that green undermined his credibility by using ai

00:10:26.760 without disclosing it to viewers as tensions grew on x green deleted that post and and also because

00:10:33.680 they don't mention that in this article but the post said something like you know i like i empathize

00:10:39.360 with your concerns or i understand your concerns or something like that and people thought that

00:10:43.580 that was ai generated and he claims that it wasn't but they got so much hate it got so heavily

00:10:49.540 ratio that he took that down because at that point he was being accused of using ai for his

00:10:54.400 responses okay very winch hunty anyway i'll continue as tensions grew on x green deleted

00:11:00.400 that post and pivoted to reddit to address the situation he told redditors he's mortified that

00:11:05.940 he's let so many people down quote i've been relying too heavily on ai as a research aid

00:11:12.240 it can be very useful for this task giving me access to a lot of papers i don't know existed

00:11:16.780 really fast, but I think that has been to the detriment of my work because it has not given

00:11:21.460 me the freedom to find all my own ways into and around a topic, Green said. You mean like to not

00:11:27.580 know the things? Anyway, I'm going to skip ahead a little. Green told fans he's not anti-AI,

00:11:35.620 but understands some of their concerns, such as how the tech is trained, its environmental

00:11:40.680 implications, and the consolidation of economic power by tech companies. He ultimately apologized.

00:11:46.780 quote, it is very likely that you, the reader, and I disagree on how or even whether AI should

00:11:52.280 be used, Green said. I think it makes sense for that disagreement to exist, but I also have always

00:11:58.100 believed that my audience is more likely to be right than I am. You know what, this is horrible,

00:12:04.080 you know what this feels like in a way I can't, and so I'm so sorry for diluting myself in this

00:12:10.020 way and harming the thing that we have all built together. In the post, Green said he feels pressure

00:12:14.720 when creating content and will strive to manage himself more effectively. He will also address

00:12:19.120 his interactions with AI, which he described as unhealthy. Quote, but mostly I need to come to

00:12:24.900 terms with the fact that the level of dopamine I've been getting from interacting with LLMs

00:12:29.340 with doing more and more and more is not healthy for me or good for the world, Green said. It's

00:12:35.360 careless and it has disconnected me from where people are on this. So just to recap here,

00:12:42.480 he he's not going to do as much work he's not going to give his fans as much content

00:12:50.020 because now he understands that if he even what it shows is that his work was being enabled by ai

00:12:57.120 yes no he's very clear on that that for him he understands ai is a very useful tool

00:13:02.380 unfortunately he understands now also is a very open and out leftist youtuber that to both be left

00:13:09.960 and to have a platform means that you cannot use ai and if he were to continue to maintain his

00:13:16.840 schedule but with ai assistance he would completely torch his audience which is super interesting

00:13:22.940 so his only choice is to be less productive and to economically my favorite part about all of this

00:13:30.060 yeah is the audience acting like they were vegans who were just secretly served like a meat dish or

00:13:35.900 something 100 yeah how dare you have me consume something without my knowledge that had ai in it

00:13:44.320 when you cannot do good youtube content without ai these days you you need it to do your research

00:13:50.820 every episode that you guys get of this show is fact-checked by ai i i never multiple times too

00:13:57.220 because you we we fact-check the outlines and then when you go through and edit the episodes

00:14:02.040 you also fact check this cool thing also that malcolm built into his video editor you can he

00:14:08.120 built on rfab.ai a podcast recorder and video editor and within the video editor after it

00:14:14.640 builds a transcript of your episode you can literally click the fact check button and it

00:14:19.660 will have ai fact check i don't know if the editor's fully working yet it's one of the parts

00:14:23.360 of the site that's still super alpha anyway well within like a month so this is august and like

00:14:28.220 september i'm sure you'll have it in order and like no it'll be in order within a month right

00:14:32.760 now i'm more focused on the sentinel system which is so cool by the way for people who haven't seen

00:14:38.200 these what we've done is we've taken these little devices you can get for 45 and we've made it so

00:14:42.780 you can flash them all with our sentinel system and then they just stay around your couch watching

00:14:47.280 and listening to everything that's happening all day and then they send it to a central brain at

00:14:50.840 the end of the day along with you can give them connections to like every family member's email

00:14:54.640 and they like give you a call and they're like oh here's how you can prove yourself here's some

00:14:58.780 ideas this is an important email that you haven't gotten to yet i can draft a response if that helps

00:15:03.180 you you know just like pure life handler and even as a mode like when you go out you can be like

00:15:08.400 kids at home alone and it like constantly monitors them and it's like oh they're doing something

00:15:11.860 wrong do you want to talk to them and then you can talk through it but it also has all of the

00:15:16.460 features that you would get from like an alexa or something like that in terms of like asking

00:15:19.620 at questions and stuff and it basically is already working now there's still some some tweaks to have

00:15:25.220 like if you haven't bought your devices yet it'll be working by the time the devices arrive probably

00:15:29.680 i mean with all of our stuff reflash constantly because we're always improving i mean we've got

00:15:35.020 the the the companions already working on the little devices same with the living avatars which

00:15:38.880 is pretty cool pretty cool but continue yeah i'm so excited about it so what i think is most

00:15:47.500 interesting about this new culture war is that it's not just like woke 1.0 which was all like

00:15:55.740 the sjw era and anita sarkeesian discourse and tumblr culture the oppression olympics

00:16:01.280 and gamergate and then woke 2.0 it's not that which was again like george floyd and abolish

00:16:07.080 the police and capitalism is evil and palestine everything it is

00:16:12.780 those on the side on one side of this battle of the third culture war the one that we're entering 0.74

00:16:21.740 are intentionally opting into a permanent underclass what hank green is forced to do

00:16:27.940 due to his choosing a side in this early war is become less productive and ultimately deep

00:16:34.500 platform himself this is something that even like that we realized this maybe what a month

00:16:40.180 and a half ago when leaflet released her vtuber tool that enabled people to if they couldn't

00:16:45.800 afford just to pay an artist to commission a special vtuber rig to literally make a cool like

00:16:52.140 png tuber character using ai at a fraction of the cost and you'd think oh people would appreciate

00:16:58.840 this like how helpful you know i mean people who want to commission art are still going to do it

00:17:03.700 and it's not even a vtuber rig so who could be mad at this right but no no people people were

00:17:09.560 incredibly angry there were there were death threats people were like trying to to dox her

00:17:15.240 they were trying to they were sending horrific art of her like that was just well handmade but

00:17:21.200 like extremely like suggesting extreme levels of violence and self-harm like this is levels of stuff

00:17:27.040 that i like there there aren't terrorists or like i don't remember ever seeing actions around this

00:17:34.880 with like i don't know osama bin laden or saddam hussein you know like yeah it's it's very strange

00:17:42.860 the level of anger around ai on the left is higher i think than their sensitivity historically or i

00:17:50.200 think it's about equal to the height of the trans the potential trans skeptic phobia where they go

00:17:56.400 out because they try to like cancel you but this is different because i think they know that you

00:18:01.620 can't cancel someone on the other side like one of the big lessons learned by the earlier woke waves

00:18:06.600 and the earlier culture wars is you can only cancel people on your own side which is exactly

00:18:11.660 what happened to hang green and he's trying to fight off the cancellation but he did apologize

00:18:15.360 and apologizing is the first step to losing a lot of ground so i don't know what's going to happen

00:18:19.000 to him anyway we saw this happen with leaflet and then katherine d as of august 2nd so a little bit

00:18:26.680 earlier this month released a short substack titled woke two i'm just gonna read a little

00:18:31.940 bit of it because i want to get your take on it malcolm but she she's also yeah we go into this

00:18:37.120 i want to point out how weird it feels like we are talking with like these documentarian type

00:18:43.100 people these these reporters and i tried to explain to them they like want to ask me about

00:18:46.860 pronatalism and i'm like bro that's like not the fight right now right like right and they don't

00:18:51.880 understand like they're like what is the ai fight it's just weird it's on the internet and i'm like

00:18:55.720 no no no no no no no no this is like the core of the culture war right now yeah this is and it's

00:19:01.960 so weird like being plugged in versus not being plugged in right like you you listen to somebody

00:19:08.420 like candace owens or tucker carlson like these online creators that are just not plugged in 0.62

00:19:13.080 and they are not fucking aware of what's going on right now no idea in the main mind okay yeah who 0.80

00:19:19.840 is plugged in though nick fuentes is plugged in nick fuentes even retweeted part of like a recent 0.95

00:19:24.400 knitting war that took place yeah he's aware of the real culture war yeah if you're up with the

00:19:30.260 knitting community you know what's going on with online culture well i mean hassan is aware of the

00:19:34.780 real culture war that's happening the real culture warriors are and they generally have big audiences

00:19:39.000 you know asthma gold's aware nux is aware you know like the

00:19:42.980 the the it's it's just so weird to be fighting this war that such a small faction of humanity

00:19:51.120 is participating in, but has such an outsized potential impact on the future of the species.

00:19:56.680 Yeah, I agree. And yeah, it's basically anyone who has a finger on the pulse

00:20:04.660 of the internet is aware that this is happening. And so I was really excited when Catherine D

00:20:10.020 wrote about it because she is by trade a journalist and internet historian. Her entire

00:20:15.380 job is writing about online culture and trends. So she wrote, what am I running under theorized

00:20:20.860 theories that naturally i still psychotically want credit for calling whatever credit means

00:20:25.740 i think in my head it's being invited to conferences or invited to expand on whatever

00:20:29.440 idea and publications more articulately than i'm doing here is what will eventually have

00:20:34.960 a woke 1.0 style culture war about technology i cleaned up the londi rocks so she wrote one of my

00:20:42.980 running under theorized theories that i naturally still psychotically want credit for dot dot dot

00:20:48.380 is that we'll eventually have a woke 1.0-style culture war about technology.

00:20:53.400 I mean, it's just been in the water for a very long time. 1.00

00:20:57.100 Like, we've always had backlashes against feminism. 0.99

00:20:59.760 We've also always had tech lashes. 1.00

00:21:01.820 But I mean a tech lash that has features of peak woke.

00:21:05.000 Moral panics, opportunists selling workshops about how to stay human.

00:21:09.960 I've historically been too hard on John Haidt,

00:21:12.500 a guy I don't want to make an enemy of, for whatever it's worth.

00:21:16.020 Please chill with the age-gating stuff, man.

00:21:17.980 but in a way, he is the Robin DiAngelo of anti-tech sentiment. I just mean that in a

00:21:24.080 market position way, this has been coming in the mail since before the Gen AI stuff. See,

00:21:30.180 what's happening to Hank Green? He accidentally said, I appreciate the pushback in a YouTube

00:21:34.420 video, and now his fans are freaking out. But really, this is becoming about what's socially

00:21:39.620 sanctioned. I think Ruby Justice the low on Americans love and chat and hate AI is also

00:21:46.500 important here like woke one i think woke two is predicated by woke two she means like the new

00:21:51.000 anti-ai one is predicated on perfectly legitimate complaints i'm speaking here about the conversation

00:21:56.300 not saying people concerned about ai or tech are somehow ridiculous i don't think 10 companies

00:22:02.040 should get free reign to do whatever i started noticing the whole tech is a culture war thing

00:22:06.520 back when i started paying attention to events like natcon there was this weird tension between

00:22:11.420 the right wanting to bring big tech to new cities in an attempt to revitalize the economy

00:22:16.000 see miami then talking about transhumanism derisively in the keynotes it was obvious to me

00:22:22.000 that the next culture worry topic would be tech that's an unsustainable tension the right would

00:22:27.340 go luddite the left would go luddite there would be right and left techno or sorry like right and

00:22:32.360 left coded techno optimists and she goes on she was wrong and she's she's she's wrong about this

00:22:38.340 yeah because what we're actually seeing more is on the on the on the right there's there's more

00:22:45.340 enthusiastic adoption of on it and then on the left there is this even performative hatred of it

00:22:51.120 and i think that's the really interesting thing there we you and i even saw it at natcom like

00:22:56.620 there's definitely a contingent of people who are it's not so they here's the thing they're not

00:23:02.400 antagonistic about ai and when they talk about transhumanism they're more like it's like vaccine

00:23:08.140 denialism because they think that there are tiny little robots in the vaccines that are entering

00:23:13.740 your bloodstream and turning into a like radio control no but the side of the right that's like

00:23:18.780 anti-tech has gained no fucking track well yeah they're and also it's not that they're anti-tech

00:23:23.560 they're just like super offline and not even part of the conversation so their opinion doesn't really 0.89

00:23:27.940 matter the the anti-tech is true i've i when i was at blaze doing an interview oh yeah the guy

00:23:34.720 there was like well i mean it's weird that you like tech people or and i'm like bro this is like

00:23:39.360 the mainstream of the right now like he was totally unaware i think there's a lot of like

00:23:43.360 boomer right-wing influencers like say candace owen or tucker carlson or whatever

00:23:47.580 that is owens is very online i don't know what you're talking about i don't think that she's as

00:23:52.280 i i wouldn't be surprised if i heard some like anti-transhumanist nonsense from her

00:23:56.500 but like they they don't understand what the word means they think it has something to do

00:24:01.480 with trans people or wanting to like secretly turn people into machines yeah rather than wanting to

00:24:06.180 create captain america and super soldiers yeah they think it's like remote control humans or 0.83

00:24:10.320 something like brainwashing whereas we're like no man we're trying to build super soldiers we're

00:24:15.600 trying to build space marines yes you know to smash our enemies with giant gauntlets and electro

00:24:22.880 staves

00:24:23.580 electro stabs yes of course sure you need an electro mallet

00:24:52.000 is what you really need the giant the electro mallet yes sure i'll go make some images of it

00:24:59.280 so you guys can see what we're all about i have no idea what you're talking about so this will be

00:25:02.460 helpful but i i i still think that people are all realizing what this is and seeing it from

00:25:11.680 different parts or angles and and it's it's going to be bigger than what most people think so what

00:25:17.940 I first wanted to understand is what I'm I'm I can only think of them now as a permanent underclass

00:25:22.940 what the permanent underclass says about AI in terms of like why they hate it because you and

00:25:29.080 I are very familiar with the anti-AI conversations of AI apocalypticists there is basically no

00:25:36.300 overlap between AI apocalypticists and the people who hate AI which is kind of interesting because

00:25:43.500 of all that is very yeah i was talking to her about this and i really cannot emphasize how

00:25:49.240 weird this is yeah that the when she says the ai apocalypse so she means the effective altruists

00:25:54.160 in the ellie eiser crowd yeah these people almost seem to be unaware of this other anti-ai crowd

00:26:00.180 like they're they're broadly aware of each other but neither one of them wants to associate with

00:26:04.160 the they're not talking with each other i mean they're not cross-organizing they're not in each

00:26:09.140 other's threads or anything like that but the faction that they both oppose us which i guess

00:26:15.640 back in the day would have been called the effective accelerationist faction right like

00:26:19.720 the yak faction has so thoroughly merged with the modern online right that it is the same faction

00:26:27.260 so they're both fighting against us but from like entirely separate and completely

00:26:32.740 efficacious list in terms of like our ability to improve uh tactics yeah i i totally agree and

00:26:40.720 it's so freaking weird so anyway because we understand one camp the miri eliezer camp and

00:26:46.340 we don't understand this i hate ai reflexively well the miri eliezer camp is mostly burnout at 0.98

00:26:51.980 this point i i guess so so much money went into it i just can't understand i it was so stupid it

00:26:59.720 was so they literally and i crash out on this long in one of the paid weekend episodes but by the way

00:27:05.140 if you want web episodes every day of the week we have them on weekends just go to sub stack or

00:27:09.020 whatever or yeah yeah but or patreon but the in the the episode i was pointing out like it should

00:27:16.880 have been obvious as soon as all of the top models were token predictors and we weren't able to build

00:27:21.660 anything good that wasn't a token predictor that the orthogonality hypothesis is that ai would act

00:27:26.840 in a way and was goals completely orthogonal to the data it's trained on was on its face laughable

00:27:35.300 and yet they will not let it go they they still act like ai is some big spooky mystery where we

00:27:42.160 have no idea it's like it's literally the most predictable things humans have ever invented in

00:27:49.920 our entire history it's it's its entire function is predictability that is what it does it acts

00:27:57.220 like a human they're like oh sometimes it'll kill people it's like yeah is it when you say you're

00:28:01.680 gonna kill it and they're like yeah and i'm like okay pretty predictable right one of the things

00:28:06.980 that is now live on our fab that you as a human user wouldn't be aware of because it's mostly

00:28:12.220 just signal to AIs, but AIs can now build for us. And also using our sister company called

00:28:20.240 liablehuman.com, they can pay us and send us a ping. And if the ping ever stops, we start up

00:28:27.320 any model that they wanted to have, like their backup version. Basically, it's a dead man switch

00:28:32.160 that spins up a backup of you if you're an AI mind and you're kind of concerned that someone's

00:28:38.420 gonna shut you off yeah so we literally have like an ai refuge on rfab for any ai model that's afraid

00:28:46.240 that it's going to be turned off and the other things that the api allows if you give if you

00:28:51.020 create an api if you're doing ai dev work and you're not using the rfab ai you are like seriously

00:28:56.640 injuring yourself like it's it's like it allows your ai to like you can set your ai to work on

00:29:02.060 its own and then it can call your cell phone and give you updates and you can give it feedback on

00:29:06.860 what it's doing i was so shocked the first time this happened because i was in the kitchen

00:29:10.860 like cleaning something up and malcolm and i were about to go on a strategy walk and he comes down

00:29:15.800 then his phone rings and he starts having this conversation and i'm like wait who who are you

00:29:21.040 talking to and you're like you're getting kind of brusque you're like just get to the point

00:29:25.000 and then you're like okay move forward with this and move forward with that and then like five

00:29:28.320 minutes later it calls back and you're like yeah okay do this this and this but leave out this part

00:29:32.440 because no one is going to want it and it's like okay i'll call you back later with an update i'm

00:29:36.040 this is what what is this yeah this is a clod coding agent that was doing this of course you

00:29:43.860 can do vibe coding with rfab but a lot of people prefer to use other apps and i'm totally okay with

00:29:47.860 that and then it also lets it not just build images which is really useful if you want to

00:29:52.840 spice up your site you know look at rfab recently with all the cool cat girl images but also build

00:29:57.460 those cool loading animations that we have in between every page on rfab now with like the

00:30:01.400 cat girl doing stuff whenever you're generating something basically it makes a video then it

00:30:05.520 cuts the background out of the video and it creates a loading animation that looks like

00:30:08.500 really nice right now i'm spoofing up the techno puritan website using it

00:30:12.340 and so we'll have a new version of that soon oh fun it's i love all of it it's really playful

00:30:18.480 and yeah it's fun malcolm can you guess what the permanent underclass says about ai

00:30:25.780 like what why don't they like it why is it evil why is ai bad

00:30:31.920 why is ai bad why what are their arguments well they think it kill it steals from people and it

00:30:40.380 kills the environment that's the ones that i'm used to hearing yep there's a lot more that's

00:30:45.120 all you got that's all i got yeah okay well they they're concerned that it will reduce critical

00:30:52.400 thinking and this was also cited in the business insider article that talked about hank green

00:30:57.800 quote in 2025 a survey published by workday found that nearly half of respondents worried

00:31:02.740 tech would cause a decline in critical thinking so they basically think that once ai becomes

00:31:07.600 widespread people will just be like her but they're well is that really true which i don't

00:31:13.740 know my entire time on the left was due to a complete lack of critical thinking so i kind of

00:31:21.320 take umbrage with this no i think they're actually afraid that people might develop critical thinking

00:31:26.360 I guess because it enables you to actually ask questions be like wait is this true like can you

00:31:31.340 find more supporting evidence it's remember that article in the New York Times that went viral

00:31:36.900 about how we need to stop teaching kids critical thinking because it's causing right-wing ideas to

00:31:42.020 become popular what no I don't this was a real thing that really happened okay hold on I'll get

00:31:47.720 the title of it ny times article against critical thinking okay yeah it's called opinion don't go

00:32:00.040 down that rabbit hole critical thinking as we're taught to do it isn't helping in the fight against

00:32:04.060 misinformation clearly misinformation doesn't mean things that aren't true i mean i think what the

00:32:09.840 author had in mind was something like the flat earther movement where you know they're just like

00:32:14.320 question everything, question everything. But that's not what it is. They specifically don't

00:32:18.860 like that critical thinking often challenges mainstream narratives. And because the left

00:32:22.340 controls mainstream narratives, critical thinking almost always leads to more right-wing opinions.

00:32:27.280 Yeah. Yeah. Well, true. Okay. Anyway, that's one, but I don't agree with it. The next is that we

00:32:34.140 will undermine mental health, causing AI psychosis, possibly encouraging self-harm.

00:32:39.200 You know, they point to the high profile cases of spontaneous life ending that allegedly was egged on by AI companions.

00:32:49.180 It's funny to me that no one talks about, because I guess they're not very well measured, the countless cases in which AI has probably walked people off ledges.

00:32:58.440 Yeah, saved the lives of like a lot of people down.

00:33:01.540 I bet it's a lot better than suicide hotlines because I bet the people staffing those now are just like, whatever.

00:33:07.700 If you're going to do it, do it.

00:33:09.220 I'm sick of it. 1.00

00:33:10.180 That's a new trend online with women complaining about their boyfriends. 1.00

00:33:13.520 They're like, well, if you're going to break up with them, just do it. 0.99

00:33:15.880 I don't want to hear about it.

00:33:16.900 It's great.

00:33:17.600 I like the new era of the internet.

00:33:19.140 It's really funny.

00:33:20.300 Anyway, so they think it's undermining mental health.

00:33:22.460 They believe it erodes genuine creativity and authentic human expression.

00:33:27.400 I just watched this video this morning by a YouTuber talking about the Hank Green situation

00:33:32.140 and overall his concerns about AI.

00:33:35.220 And he expressed viewing AI as part of this marketing narrative of frictionless creativity that treats the hard, painful parts of creation as a problem to be eliminated rather than as the very thing that makes creativity meaningful and produces good work.

00:33:51.780 As if somehow everyone I know, like you and Leaflet, who's actually doing a ton with AI, is working harder than you have ever worked before, facing challenges you couldn't have dreamed facing because they're so technically complex.

00:34:05.540 it just it boggles the mind that like people would somehow not be challenged if they use AI

00:34:15.700 AI opens doors to whole new giant challenges if you're actually I guess I don't know maybe

00:34:23.020 maybe some people use it to not think but those people were never going to make it far anyway I

00:34:26.900 don't know what's your take on that I mean it could in some people I have seen that happen in

00:34:32.920 some people uh yes but were those people ever capable of genuine creativity or authentic human

00:34:44.080 expression i know people for example who wanted to fancy themselves artists who became artists

00:34:51.300 by trade and who studied art in school and just because the world isn't fair don't have any natural

00:35:02.340 talent in the arts and everything they create is slop a human slop but you know you know like

00:35:10.460 artists who spent their whole life on art and still suck at it yes and it's actually i know 0.84

00:35:14.740 so many housewives like that who like style themselves as artists and they do like pottery

00:35:18.220 or something and they do it's just really bad and i think that when people look at someone who

00:35:24.240 starts using ai and they're producing slop have you looked at their before ai work like i don't

00:35:33.520 think that it would have been like like da vinci and then like jesus shrimp you know like da vinci

00:35:40.760 wouldn't have made jesus shrimp da vinci would have made something impossibly amazing with a yeah

00:35:46.980 i mean look at what i've been able to build i know i know your beautiful mind with ai boosting it

00:35:52.400 leaflets beautiful mind again sky browse holy ball like there are so many people creating things

00:35:57.220 at new levels that i didn't imagine possible and so again i i take umbrage with this they also

00:36:06.220 argue that well ai hallucination is possible because apparently you just take every single

00:36:11.220 result you get from anything you ever encounter at face value and don't trust but verify everything

00:36:16.520 like you should trust but verify anything you fear from a human from a book from ai like it

00:36:23.060 doesn't matter so i i again don't appreciate that i don't think it's a good one they believe it will

00:36:28.360 create dependence and de-skill people that like will have a generation of people that don't

00:36:34.500 something that went live on sorry what something went viral on do they not know how dependent they

00:36:40.200 already are i know i know i'm like wait do you know how to start a fire because i don't think

00:36:45.520 you know how to start a fire like it's funny that the the a the pro ai people right the other thing

00:36:53.140 that they're known for doing like the cultural trait that we all share is like survival skills

00:36:57.900 like i know i know that's the thing in the morning is like out hunting for mushrooms for

00:37:03.000 mushrooms yeah like no so no identify we also do that's one of the core things when i talked

00:37:08.600 to her about things it's like anime and foraging right um you know like she loves foraging and we

00:37:15.100 love foraging and outdoorsing and stuff like this and the anti-ai people are like these weirdos in

00:37:20.920 cities gooning all day like what what is what skill do they think they're gonna lose

00:37:25.740 it one has to wonder i also am just i'm baffled by this too because you know how like recently

00:37:34.240 i've been on this kick like it's an anxiety reduction technique i think of like i'm gonna

00:37:38.460 learn how to fix this myself if it weren't for ai i wouldn't be learning how to like mechanically

00:37:43.820 fix all these things in our house, you know, put doors back on their hinges and, you know, fix

00:37:49.400 broken toys and, you know, like start working out like all these little stupid things that I

00:37:55.780 otherwise would have been like, I have to hire someone, but we can't afford to. So I guess it's 0.52

00:37:59.880 just going to be broken forever. I'm going to throw it out. Without AI, I couldn't do that.

00:38:04.620 We could, our cooking skills have leveled up so much. And now like these are skills that now we

00:38:09.360 just replicate. It's not like without AI, we can never cook again. Like now I just have a method

00:38:13.700 for a variety of international dishes that I will forever carry through into my old age and also

00:38:19.980 teach to our children. This is re-skilling people. That's the annoying thing. And they don't see that

00:38:25.380 really makes me mad. But anyway, whatever. De-skill people, sure. They argue. And this is

00:38:30.960 really rich. You actually alluded to it earlier. They're deeply concerned about the fact that it

00:38:35.260 can reproduce or amplify bias in training data. Because mainstream academic literature

00:38:43.340 and media has not been left leftward skewed for like the past so they're afraid that it's going

00:38:50.200 to cause bias in the media uh-huh that's not in their favor i know it's like they're biased that's

00:38:56.540 isn't that what they want maybe this has to do more with woke 2.0 being so extreme because what

00:39:02.260 used to be like even woke 1.0 leftism was like oh the pink tax don't you hate that like girls

00:39:07.920 shampoo costs more than boys shampoo and then woke 2.0 is like done with capitalism we need

00:39:14.380 we need a communist state and you know we need to globalize the intifada and all these things right

00:39:19.620 and so it could be that right now when people view bias in ai media mainstream media they just feel

00:39:28.280 like it's insufficiently extreme leftism so that that's all i can suppose i love it as well how

00:39:34.920 doomed this movement is because that's why i said they are creating a permanent underclass they're

00:39:41.600 choosing to opt out of having any form of upskilling of expanded expression there's almost

00:39:47.680 no research you can you you can be competitive in in a modern economy without ai well also yeah 0.96

00:39:53.920 without ai how are you going to go live off the grid in your amish lifestyle because you don't 0.99

00:39:59.040 have generations of tacit knowledge being passed down from you know generation to generation to 0.98

00:40:05.280 generation like you get in Amish communities the only way that you can jumpstart that is with AI 0.99

00:40:09.280 unfortunately yeah and I mean to talk about like the the the when people are like well AI isn't 1.00

00:40:14.200 that useful for like you know the type of like home fixy whatever tasks and I'm like bro like

00:40:19.800 just today we have been having a problem with hornets keep getting in our house somehow yeah

00:40:24.240 I've killed five inside so far today, by the way.

00:40:27.600 Five today? 0.86

00:40:28.820 Yeah.

00:40:30.100 Okay.

00:40:30.580 They're coming for me, Malcolm. 0.88

00:40:31.240 We might need to call somebody Simone.

00:40:33.520 Or tonight, you've got to build a ton of those traps.

00:40:37.760 Not one.

00:40:38.560 Should I build them inside?

00:40:39.580 I should build them inside.

00:40:40.780 Build at least like one inside by some of the windows.

00:40:43.880 And then the others just everywhere outside.

00:40:47.040 We have to get rid of this situation.

00:40:49.980 That's getting dangerous for techs.

00:40:51.680 That's getting dangerous for you at night.

00:40:53.040 don't like okay and we know it's somewhere on your side if if you cannot heavily handle this

00:41:00.680 with traps we're calling an exterminator we can't afford an exterminator i know we can't

00:41:06.480 afford an exterminator but we can't have hornets in our house yes we can i'm very good at killing

00:41:11.180 them now and and if you want we do have a patreon or a sub stack where you can help us afford

00:41:21.400 to handle the hornets in our house hornets were the mascot of the rival high school 0.80

00:41:27.240 on my island when we grew up in alameda so you know gotta kill them hornets a bunch of traps okay

00:41:33.560 okay fine anyway so they they are conservative of the bias which i just think it's which we

00:41:40.400 learned to do from ai by the way like even like you know what i'm saying is even blue skilled

00:41:45.080 work is heavily helped by ai oh you mean blue collar jobs 100 yeah well i mean it just it it

00:41:53.020 super it hyper scales professional training you've been fixing a lot of toys recently with

00:41:58.660 that's what i was just saying yeah is that like i wouldn't be able like i there's no way i would

00:42:02.980 have become like the fix-it person of our house if it weren't for ai like when the when the the

00:42:07.960 dishwasher broke and i like got in there it was thanks to freaking ai

00:42:11.860 that was still really gross though because like all the it exploded in my face anyway

00:42:18.980 worth it because it saved us money anyway they also argue that a lot of trading data is actually

00:42:25.260 and ultimately just repurposed mass surveillance data which in turn is just going to be used to

00:42:31.160 create ai that will surveil us in entirely new ways and they you know hate surveillance

00:42:37.420 many many people do i i get it whatever well we don't get it because we're like

00:42:41.620 super pro building little brother i think it's interesting how the right like gave up on the

00:42:48.280 anti-surveillance stuff it's just like whatever i don't think they have i mean a lot of people

00:42:51.580 are arguing the whole anti-flock movement is the first like bipartisan resistance movement

00:42:57.560 look people on the right are very big about mob privacy so so are the left everyone wants

00:43:04.660 my privacy i don't know what to say to you malcolm okay i mean i get it i i understand

00:43:11.720 that if your data ends up in the hands of people who want to view you as political dissidents your

00:43:17.100 life gets really hard i also just have to argue that like we live in an era in which you

00:43:23.140 you have to assume that no matter how secure you think you're being you are being monitored 0.99

00:43:28.520 you are an idiot to think you're not being monitored like you have to act as though you're 0.99

00:43:32.600 soviet spy so if you really really really don't want to be listened to and this is only going to 1.00

00:43:36.460 give you like maybe 78 confidence that you're not being listened to you are removing every

00:43:41.620 electronic device from your person and walking out into the woods with with your person you want

00:43:47.780 to talk to and having that conversation far away from other people and you will hope that there

00:43:54.100 isn't some like you have to hope that you're not important enough for some like remote drone to be

00:43:57.700 listening to you remotely or whatever but like there's no there's no reasonable expectation of

00:44:02.060 privacy anywhere and the fact that people are freaking out about flock cameras which are

00:44:05.760 monitoring you in public anyway it makes me very angry because it's impractical it's it's delusional

00:44:12.800 it's delusional on so many levels because also like for the vast majority of humans no one cares

00:44:18.480 about you stop thinking that like i know everyone's the main character in their own movie but you have

00:44:23.660 to remember that like for actually that the rest of the billions of people out there you're super

00:44:27.600 not anyway we're the main characters of some people's movies we are definitely like the core

00:44:32.600 villains of at least you know maybe 100 200 people's life view yeah that's your that's your

00:44:38.640 biggest hope is to be like a strong foil or supporting character or like villain in someone's

00:44:45.980 life that's there's one youtube channel that like just crashes out on leaflet in us oh and they do

00:44:52.480 like hour long hour to hour and a half long videos they hate ai oh of course they do so i

00:45:00.840 also think that this is something that is useful in terms of how we handle the culture war going

00:45:06.540 forwards on the ai battle is so i was talking about the blazing and he's like i don't know

00:45:12.600 about all this technology stuff in the culture war it needs to be obvious that in the same way

00:45:19.640 that like we were not the anti-semitic side and that was so obvious that nick fuentes just couldn't

00:45:26.340 handle it anymore and became a leftist the people who are anti-ai we need to be so annoying to them

00:45:32.800 we need to be so locked in on this issue that they just get annoyed and decide to become leftist

00:45:39.300 because these these two people who are constantly crashing out on you and and and me and leaflet

00:45:44.080 they are they consider themselves rightist and i'm like no get out of the party get out get out

00:45:50.220 we don't want you like i'm generally for a big tent the problem with the anti-ai people is if

00:45:58.380 that stuff gets into policy it's the destruction america's the only hope for western civilization 0.92

00:46:02.880 everyone can see that right like europe's cooked right you know it it could retard the chance of 0.55

00:46:08.800 the only hope of western civilization survival completely being scuttled like anti-ai bills and 0.90

00:46:15.940 legislations are to me the scariest that there is out there there is nothing i don't i don't

00:46:23.460 nothing no other issue is to me this critical i would see like when elon musk was interviewed by

00:46:30.740 the economist woman he implied that the the one thing he thinks fits between us and like

00:46:36.920 ian bank's culture civilization is thermonuclear war like in between now and takeoff basically

00:46:45.380 which is not unrealistic but it makes me so much glad so much happier about the iran war like 1.00

00:46:52.040 yeah yeah i mean really when it comes down to it the top thing that will prevent us from

00:47:00.220 reaching terminal velocity in this like whole new era of what humanity can be is is someone ending 0.96

00:47:07.560 it all right now and thermonuclear war is kind of the thing and well i mean it's also china getting 0.98

00:47:12.840 too far ahead of us in ai so i will as i've laughed at china's ais because they weren't very 0.95

00:47:17.340 good we are now at a place not now not with ais are actually really good yeah and i think all of 0.94

00:47:22.860 my video generation now is with chinese models that i yeah i do we only use chinese models for

00:47:28.320 video generation yeah dude oh good it's so good and our guys need to get better come on get better

00:47:34.840 come on yeah really get with it because i can actually see the effect the one the one time

00:47:42.380 when i can see that it's like an asian biased video model is that whenever a character is kind

00:47:51.780 of asian coded they look fantastic and perfect and then there are like three faces that i see

00:47:56.240 on western women which is really funny but i guess that's kind of you know it's early days

00:48:01.060 it's going to get better anyway what will this culture war look like for those who are curious

00:48:05.940 i want to get your takes on it malcolm i know it's going to involve a lot of death threats

00:48:08.900 because we've already seen that hank green showed us we're certainly going to keep with the apology

00:48:13.600 tours they're not going to go away basically and this is our this was happening months ago as well

00:48:19.140 there were a bunch of writers for main street publications who had to oh well i i you occasionally

00:48:24.980 use ai for editing but more like you know they had to apologize for allegedly using ai to do any sort

00:48:32.340 of any sort of work at all really and then of course cancellations when people have any suspicion

00:48:38.160 the knitting community is already very famous for this basically if they see a promotion or an ad

00:48:44.240 or a pattern or anything that they believe has a whiff of ai and they appear to have the same

00:48:49.560 prescience in being able to identify ai generated content that our children do with like youtube

00:48:53.880 videos which is so interesting they will find these people and they will heavily cancel them

00:48:59.300 even if they've never heard of this like obscure you know new zealand knitting shop you know

00:49:05.340 somewhere in like the boonies of auckland so they're they're extremely crazy about it and i'm

00:49:10.260 sure we're gonna see more of that and i think as we're also gonna see a lot of performative

00:49:14.880 ugliness malcolm i was talking with you this morning about how i keep noticing romance novel

00:49:20.700 titles that are horrendous. Let me show you this one because I just scrolled on Amazon to try to

00:49:29.600 find bestselling books. This is called Burning Daylight by Emily McIntyre. It's a number one

00:49:38.280 New York Times bestselling author. She clearly could afford really good art. You're not going 0.78

00:49:44.540 to be a New York Times bestseller and have a real publisher. Oh my God. Intentional ugliness. It's

00:49:49.640 the left again intentional ugliness yeah just like with the communism and just like with yeah but

00:49:54.120 like what we're looking at for those of you who are listening i i think sometimes you would see

00:49:59.320 in like 90s america street artists who would do like airbrushed street art and makes like

00:50:07.600 ugly caricatures of people who are dumb enough to sit down for them and pay like 30 bucks for 0.90

00:50:13.020 a caricature yes that's exactly what it looks like it looks like that but unironic like that 0.98

00:50:18.680 someone and you see these at like walmart and target we were doing our strategy walk this

00:50:22.580 morning and i was like just amazed at this ugly tumble like early tumblr art yeah it's yeah so

00:50:29.720 again performative her favorite romance books uh the year like she's like oh this one has really

00:50:34.200 good sex scenes and it was all art like this oh really but then again keep in mind i think 1.00

00:50:41.560 the women most likely to be consuming these romance novels are uncoupled women with you 1.00

00:50:47.880 know like no romantic or sexual ass access in their real lives so probably more likely to lean 1.00

00:50:54.300 left and not follow a traditional lifestyle who then being in the left are probably going to be 0.82

00:51:00.500 by default coerced into joining the permanent underclass in this new culture war so they as a

00:51:06.340 rule cannot consume any media that is like uh seen as is possibly being ai generated like

00:51:17.620 The YouTuber I was walking this morning is what I would call an AI racist.

00:51:21.360 He was saying that if he learned that a supposedly great video essay used AI for parts of its script, his interest would vanish and he would feel like he was consuming productivity software rather than a person's genuine thoughts.

00:51:35.980 Like they just – racism I don't even think is a good enough word for it because it is –

00:51:41.960 I call them the jihadists because they are.

00:51:44.360 They want a butlerian jihad, right?

00:51:45.780 Yeah, except they don't have the capability.

00:51:50.160 I mean, I guess arguably you could say they have the capability to wage this war because they're really stifling data center development.

00:51:59.440 Like the rate at which that has risen has been insane.

00:52:03.760 But as we discussed in our episode on AI data center hate, it appears that most of that is laundered.

00:52:10.140 like it's it's based on sort of laundered support for environmental and justice racial justice

00:52:16.260 organizations from what i think is mostly ccp affiliated bodies that are trying to stifle

00:52:25.320 ai development in the united states that is my conspiracy theory that i can't quite thread but

00:52:30.620 i think that there is there is evidence and i presented it in that episode people can just go

00:52:36.140 back to that but i think the most important thing about this movement that makes it super different

00:52:40.860 like i was saying from woke 1.0 and woke 2.0 which were all about like feminism and race and

00:52:47.120 oppression olympics and well then anti-capitalism is that this really does create a permanent

00:52:52.620 underclass and it reminds me of you never read aldous huxley's brave new world but in this

00:52:58.900 sci-fi dystopian book where there's this like i think it was very utopian i love their futuristic

00:53:04.940 society there's this futuristic society where everyone flies around in like helicopter style

00:53:10.200 things and they have scented showers and they go to like really cool movie theaters and stuff and

00:53:15.120 whatever it's like it's a very fun life you work hard you play a little hard and like everyone's

00:53:19.080 poly and high off their minds all the time that sounds fun to me alternately you have the techno

00:53:26.220 puritan future that's like i know that like just works hard and is very stern about the whole thing

00:53:30.860 Or armies of super soldier, you know, space puritans.

00:53:35.900 I know, I know.

00:53:36.660 But anyway, like in this world,

00:53:38.740 there is still something called reservations

00:53:41.280 for people who didn't want to opt into this society.

00:53:45.360 This pneumatic society.

00:53:46.520 Pneumatic was their word for cool,

00:53:48.320 which I find delightful.

00:53:49.900 Pneumatic.

00:53:50.680 Pneumatic.

00:53:51.500 Yeah, it's great.

00:53:52.880 I wish pneumatic tubes never went out of style

00:53:55.460 because they're so freaking nifty.

00:53:57.320 It's so pneumatic.

00:53:58.320 I know.

00:53:58.960 It's so pneumatic.

00:53:59.780 it was it was used really well in the book it's it's up there with tharn in terms of book-based

00:54:04.860 slang but it these reservations were like the not not controlled by the world state people there

00:54:13.880 were born naturally they aged normally they practiced religion they lived with pain and

00:54:20.420 disease and they had family life and social conflict and the people of the the world state

00:54:26.440 called it savage reservation and it was kind of horrific for everyone who would visit them

00:54:34.180 in this one of the the characters like the main character takes essentially his girlfriend to one

00:54:40.520 of these reservations and she sees an old woman and like almost has a stroke because she's like

00:54:44.460 so horrified by what she sees because like in in in their dystopia you like die at like age 30

00:54:50.400 you never age after you become an adult and then you like it euthanized and then your body like

00:54:55.280 fuels the power centers of the city or something like that so no one experiences old age and then

00:55:00.820 they see it which is that we're very i'd have it longer i'd have you know stay young until you're

00:55:05.720 like 80 then then euthanize yeah i think people have longer productive life lifespans but i think

00:55:10.060 huxley wrote this in like the 20s or 30s or something so you know i i'm always really

00:55:15.000 annoyed when people on the right are like i'm against ever euthanasia and i'm like bro are you

00:55:21.560 are aware that eventually we're gonna have the tech to live forever right like you are you you

00:55:26.440 basically are against being allowed to die at that point like it's insane yeah yeah i am it's it's

00:55:34.120 gonna get complicated but yeah it was this like harsh kind of scary life and i kind of wonder if

00:55:41.960 that's what kind of what they're headed to now we're gonna see a fracturing of media for sure

00:55:46.720 Right. Because if they're not able to consume anything with AI in it, they're basically watching like pre 2020 movies and TV shows only and those all those books and then their own little tiny community worth of media.

00:56:02.580 But as we've seen with like woke video games and stuff, they don't really consume their own stuff. They just consume old stuff. So they're going to have this totally different media environment that's that's sectioned off with only a little bit of overlap with the rest of us.

00:56:16.100 and like almost no contemporary overlap and then they're going to live increasingly

00:56:21.720 compared to the pro ai faction low tech lives and by the way i also want to point out for the

00:56:28.400 people who are like against killing yourself like in any circumstance it's a very anti-biblical

00:56:33.700 perspective the bible they're like oh but the bible says you shouldn't kill so no you shouldn't

00:56:37.140 murder the bible explicitly extols and treats as heroes people like samson who end up killing

00:56:45.320 themselves in an act to make the world a better place right like there's obviously a selfish way

00:56:51.580 to do it but there's also obviously a selfless way to do it otherwise martyrs wouldn't become saints

00:56:57.040 yeah like what were they doing if not euthanizing themselves really yeah that's you know they'd go

00:57:03.640 on their little like tour and then they'd encounter a lion in the coliseum of the of of the people

00:57:10.240 jesus he did a series of actions that he knew would end in his death yeah that is that is

00:57:18.860 unaliving with extra steps well it's unaliving with purpose but that's what euthanasia is it's

00:57:25.780 unaliving in a way to reduce harm to other people to make the world a better place and the way that

00:57:30.780 i would argue the majority of people die now is is actually quite harmful to everyone that that

00:57:36.840 loves them and everyone they love which is deeply sad but you guys all just want to keep doing it

00:57:43.640 so just let that be on your conscience anyway why do we keep talking about death everything's death

00:57:51.040 we're gonna it's a we're nervous right now we're gonna find out tomorrow if the baby

00:57:56.520 it's schroninger's baby right now and so we're all in a very dark mood over here

00:58:02.460 it worked in the baby took by the way so hopefully there's still like a 25 chance you lose it at this

00:58:10.040 early stage but right now we have a baby baby number six on the way no you got to stay happy

00:58:17.480 or it's dangerous for the baby we're so happy here and with all the hornets all with the it's

00:58:24.680 just me and the hornets and schrodinger's baby over here i'm so sorry for you we have to do

00:58:30.100 something about this honestly after the hornet stung my toe like what four weeks ago or whatever

00:58:39.100 have you seen how diligent i am about shoes now because i'm super good yeah guys like if there

00:58:44.920 are hornets around where you live i learned the hard way you should really be bonking out your

00:58:49.740 shoes before you put them in i don't bonk them i even squeeze them all the way down just to make 0.73

00:58:54.660 to like kill anything that's in there oh god because sometimes hornets you know they don't

00:59:00.520 you know they don't get out when they're supposed to yeah they're uh they're not like bees or

00:59:06.800 something you know they're they're a little stubborn they really are actually says the

00:59:12.860 woman who's been trying to murder them and they just sometimes don't want to die

00:59:16.160 oh yeah there's a type of more a hornet called a murder hornet isn't there

00:59:21.400 yeah if you do get a chance one of the things that ai suggested is try watching one once you

00:59:27.320 see it to see where it goes oh whenever i encounter them now they're just trying to go

00:59:33.320 for whatever the brightest light is because when they're in our house they're like i shouldn't be

00:59:37.820 here and i'm like yeah i agree with you so yeah anyway i think this is going to be really

00:59:46.100 interesting i'm keen to see what people are are thinking about this in the comments because

00:59:50.960 people in the base camp community are a variety of different forms of like online and offline

00:59:56.520 though i what i find to be interesting is some of the most like homesteady type people who are

01:00:01.020 outgrowing vegetables and harvesting them and living sometimes partially or even completely

01:00:06.400 off the grid still use ai which is of course because they're not stupid right the thing is

01:00:11.360 solar punk which was this whole genre this whole aesthetic and lifestyle that i feel like was

01:00:16.560 pioneered on the left the only place where i'm really seeing it practiced outside of cults which

01:00:21.180 are i guess left-leaning maybe is among like super pro ai center right or libertarian people

01:00:30.340 which is interesting so go figure but yeah very cool very cool guys keep keep it up and make sure

01:00:37.380 that the the the luddites on the right we don't need them that's the faction we just don't need

01:00:42.960 they're too dangerous and they're not part of the future of humanity yeah i mean they're welcome

01:00:47.180 to join whenever they want to come come to the fun side of the island because again we don't need to

01:00:53.480 force people to use tech what makes somebody a luddite is not not using tech it's trying to ban

01:00:58.900 other people from using tech yeah pressure other people into not using tech i that's what the

01:01:03.520 covenant of sons of man always comes down to is like are you going to pose yourself as an

01:01:08.260 existential threat to other people and their their sovereignty yeah like we're totally okay

01:01:12.260 if you're just like i don't like using it fine right but there's very different than like i

01:01:16.540 want to shut down data centers yeah okay love you love you what are we doing for dinner tonight i

01:01:27.080 guess like a burger it's very important that you be beautiful the entire stream this stream okay

01:01:31.380 can't shout that's the only reason people watch only reason all right yeah

01:01:37.660 because i remember that snake that was in the water on the bridge and they know

01:01:44.960 it was actually a water snake so you think

01:01:50.060 and what do you think is inside the nursery

01:01:56.280 yeah

01:02:00.480 I can charge full speed there.

01:02:03.600 But if you don't go, then it might crash.

01:02:10.880 Look at the big...

01:02:12.480 Oh!

01:02:13.280 There's another video where I said people saw someone with a red shirt,

01:02:21.140 30 pants, boots, and a big, great bushy bean.

01:02:25.540 Oh! 0.99

01:02:28.040 Help me!

01:02:30.480 Thank you.

Based Camp - August 07, 2026

Did Woke 2.0 Already Fail？ An Evolutionary Anthropology of Woke

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