Based Camp - Does Genesis Argue NPCs Are Real？ (Do Pre-Adamites Still Exist？)

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone! I'm excited to be here with you today. Today we might be doing one of our most

00:00:05.040 offensive religious episodes because it's a thought that came to me. So for people who like 1.00

00:00:11.480 sort of Bible mysteries, one of the ones that most people are broadly aware of is like a fun

00:00:18.360 little rabbit hole to go into is it appears from the perspective of Genesis that there were other

00:00:27.500 humans around at the time of cain and abel so four lines that suggest this genesis 4 14 whoever

00:00:36.760 finds me will kill me if only adam's immediate family existed who would pose a threat to cain

00:00:42.520 afterwards because he's saying this to god cain's wife she appears but isn't given a genealogy

00:00:47.700 yeah in in the bible you're not supposed to sleep with your sister this is like one of the rules

00:00:53.180 that God sets up. And it's never put out that there's like an exception here. Now he was doing

00:01:00.700 this before that law was set out, but that law still would have applied to all of the sons of

00:01:07.720 kids of Adam and specifically Romans 5, 12 through 14, no matter how you interpret it means it would

00:01:13.300 apply. The, the city in Genesis 4, 17, it mentions Cain building a city, the city of Enoch. Now the

00:01:21.080 word used for city here in ancient hebrew can mean like a fortified collection of dwellings

00:01:27.440 but it still requires you know some people more people than we are aware of at this time yeah

00:01:33.980 then and this is not as seen by people but we'll go into it because it is actually interesting

00:01:38.240 some read genesis 126 through 27 humanity created male and female as a different event from genesis

00:01:44.900 2 7 adam formed from the dust and then eve formed from a rip right then there is romans 5 12 through

00:01:53.060 14 so this isn't just in the old testament where you find this weird stuff if you go to romans 5

00:01:58.700 12 through 14 and note here i'm also going to go through all the traditional explanations to try to 0.56

00:02:03.060 get around this but the correct explanation i think is so fucking spicy and i am so excited 0.60

00:02:11.240 to drop it because it makes so many other things make sense yeah as soon as you said this to me 0.70

00:02:15.760 i was like oh of course because i'm reading genesis again or i just read genesis again

00:02:20.360 and was so confused it's like wait because all these descendants you know so and so and then

00:02:25.580 they had this kid but then and then they married so it's like wait where did they come from well

00:02:29.540 we can yeah huh so if we start here therefore just as sin entered the world through one man

00:02:38.640 and death through sin, and in this way death came to people because all sinned, to be sure

00:02:45.160 sin was in the world before the law was given. But sin is not charged against anyone's account

00:02:52.280 where there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses,

00:02:59.080 even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the

00:03:07.260 one to come so the problem here being is there are two ways to read this both have problems one

00:03:16.980 is that well even though Moses hadn't handed down the commandments yet right you were still capable

00:03:25.560 of sinning before that period right that said it doesn't really make sense in context if you think

00:03:31.980 about the line as it's put out here him pointing out that death entered the earth through sin

00:03:37.980 entering through adam then the law he's talking about here must be the law handed to adam right

00:03:46.320 if that's the case then it's applying that people were sinning but without a law without somebody

00:03:53.920 telling them not to before adam came to existence so i'll read it again so you could see how you can

00:03:59.000 get this interpretation therefore just as sin entered the world through one man and death

00:04:03.480 through sin and in this way death came to all people because all sinned to be sure sin was in

00:04:10.160 the world before the law was given but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is

00:04:16.520 no law nevertheless death reigned from the time of adam to the time of moses even over those who

00:04:22.940 did not sin by breaking a command as did adam who is the pattern of the one to come i'm rereading

00:04:28.860 this is by far the weakest of these claims but this verse is still important because what it

00:04:33.300 lays out is that the rules set out within the mosaic laws are what counted as sin even before

00:04:42.160 those laws were laid out even if you take the most traditionalist reading of that which has a lot of

00:04:47.700 importance in just a second so that creates a problem right if there were other humans around

00:04:54.380 during this period how did they get there and we'll we'll get to this as well but what do we

00:04:59.660 know about adam and eve first of all because if people are aware of the techno puritan framing

00:05:05.780 around all of this what we generally believe is we think the bible and you can watch our episode

00:05:10.720 on this does a very good job a supernaturally good job of setting out the evolutionary timeline 0.67

00:05:17.600 of describing that in a way that a person of that period a cave jew could understand

00:05:23.520 that would make any sort of rational sense to them,

00:05:26.360 that would be able to be transmitted.

00:05:28.560 And then it lays out in the story of Adam and Eve,

00:05:32.420 mankind beginning to,

00:05:34.960 because I don't think that God would actually punish humanity

00:05:37.780 for trying to learn right from wrong.

00:05:39.920 That seems psychotic to me.

00:05:42.400 Like, it seems like God would want us to know right from wrong, right?

00:05:45.000 But I point out that we know from the story

00:05:47.420 that that's not really what Adam was punished for

00:05:50.040 because the moment he eats the doesn't eat touches which is also important see our original

00:05:56.540 episode on that if you want to go deeper on it or has the intent to disobey god it's not even

00:06:00.960 touches it's reaching out for it was the intent to disobey god around that fruit that made that

00:06:07.600 fruit important it was not the fruit itself the fruit didn't actually need any magical powers

00:06:12.420 the fruit was set apart in that it was the only thing that god had made any sort of a ruling around

00:06:17.380 at that point in human history. Right. And, and the thing that Adam did that was special there

00:06:24.480 was to go against what God wanted him to do with that. And I was like, and we know this because

00:06:30.120 the first thing that Adam does is tries to close himself, which doesn't make any sense because it

00:06:33.980 said that he, the, the, the God let Adam be naked in the garden. Like clearly God didn't think it

00:06:40.400 was a problem and in nowhere in any bible in any old testament would any either in ration or in

00:06:50.000 christian or judaic tradition is it sinful to be naked in front of your wife and god that's like

00:06:56.080 the very thing you're supposed to be naked around right like that is not a he's not like in a city

00:07:02.960 or something right like so it's showing that he what is meant by knowledge of good and evil

00:07:08.960 is a knowledge of good and evil in opposition to God's knowledge of good and evil, like

00:07:14.220 man thinking that he knows more than God about what is good and evil to the extent that he would 0.99

00:07:22.800 do stupid things. So the moment Adam gained the capacity to think in terms of morality, 0.99

00:07:28.960 like this is what I should do, this is what I shouldn't do, all of like what laws applied to

00:07:34.860 him and made up sin at this point in time, that line in Romans tells us it's the mosaic law that

00:07:42.780 would be handed down later. So the question is, why didn't God give Adam a list of the rules,

00:07:49.120 the mosaic laws, as he was leaving the Garden of Eden? And I think the answer to this is he thought

00:07:55.440 they were so obvious that any sentient entity, now that man had gained true sentience, should

00:08:01.660 have been aware of them i mean they're they are really quite basic stuff like not stealing not

00:08:08.200 murder or stuff like that but being aware there is a god but then worshiping other gods above him

00:08:15.120 but then adam and eve leave they have a kid and right away the kid goes and kills his brother

00:08:21.080 and you can tell that these laws are already in effect because god comes down and cain is aware

00:08:27.780 that you know he tries to cover it up first you know the am i my brother's keeper and everything

00:08:32.240 like that he is aware in his heart that he has done something wrong even though he hasn't been

00:08:37.100 told the mosaic laws yet they're clearly in some way written in his heart or was in his sentience

00:08:42.400 but what you will see especially later in this episode is this is not true for all people all

00:08:47.780 over the world some people just do not feel an instinct well some homo sapiens do not feel an

00:08:54.300 instinct that says you know torturing babies to death is a bad thing to do and we should stop

00:09:00.120 anyone attempting to do that so the reason why that's important in sort of our framing is we're

00:09:05.300 like okay well so that's it that's the first city and then we look at where the the out of the garden

00:09:11.780 of eden is on a map at the mouse waters of the tigris and the euphrates and the other two rivers

00:09:16.120 people equate them with modern rivers today but if you go to the original text they don't seem to

00:09:19.620 equate to modern rivers so they really could be anything and there is only one mouse water that

00:09:23.440 the Tigris and Euphrates. And that's where the oldest city is that we are aware of, Topliatechi.

00:09:27.520 Like, and I was shocked when I saw this about 10,000 years ago. Yeah, that was crazy cool.

00:09:30.880 So that's where I would place the story of Adam and Eve is about 10,000 years ago at this potential

00:09:36.620 location, man first developing his ability to know things in opposition to the type of thing God

00:09:43.160 knows. Now, if I'm taking that perspective and I'm thinking that the story of Genesis 1 is about

00:09:47.760 evolution and i'm thinking that that this is when mankind begins this is when sin enters the world

00:09:55.560 and this is when meaningful death enters the world right that means something that i had never 0.97

00:10:02.440 considered before which is oh shit that means that the label of human biblically speaking 0.97

00:10:10.920 does not apply to all homo sapiens and that took me down a very interesting rabbit hole 0.83

00:10:22.300 of implications and it also would naturally answer the question of where did these other

00:10:29.100 people come from where did where did kane's wife come from for example where did the city come from

00:10:35.120 where did the it came from the fact that there was lots of homo sapiens around they just weren't

00:10:41.300 in the category that we should consider human you pretty much have to bite if you're going to accept

00:10:48.060 that the bible is telling true stories and not just parables or at least trying to tell stories 0.98

00:10:55.780 that tell the people of the that time period your cave jews what is meaningfully true about reality 0.96

00:11:02.200 as best as they could understand. 0.98

00:11:05.200 However, it doesn't just solve

00:11:07.400 some of the mysteries in the Bible.

00:11:09.040 It also solves some of the mysteries in anthropology.

00:11:12.700 Like, how is it possible that humanity

00:11:14.960 or Homo sapiens were around for 300,000 years

00:11:18.980 and invented almost nothing,

00:11:21.640 developed almost nothing of a society,

00:11:23.880 advanced almost nothing,

00:11:25.160 and then all of a sudden, 10,000 years ago,

00:11:27.880 the human development begins to explode,

00:11:30.320 starting in almost exactly this region or no exactly this region and it also recontextualizes

00:11:36.120 god god is not a god of homo sapiens god is a god of moral agents in innovation which i think is a

00:11:43.280 god that i would rather follow a god that doesn't just say based on your biology i am dedicated to

00:11:50.080 you but it's based on your moral capacity and when you have that moral capacity i will bless you

00:11:57.400 is the capacity for innovation and now the question comes to this what does this mean

00:12:02.940 god or the body would be biblically within this context or this reading and i'm gonna go over the

00:12:08.680 other potential explanations for this text i'm just getting first into the spicy bit that really

00:12:12.720 got me hooked what then does it mean to be human right and it appears moral agency and moral

00:12:24.040 responsibility, even if acted in error. Adam and Eve acted in error. Adam at first tried to shirk

00:12:34.120 that error, but God still put moral agency and moral responsibility upon them, something he had

00:12:40.980 done to no homo sapien before this moment. Whether or not you are morally accountable for your

00:12:48.860 actions is not a decision you make it is a capacity that god decides if you have or do not

00:12:56.360 have which would then mean that if you take this interpretation it's not an ethnic thing clearly

00:13:02.500 right like it doesn't appear they don't set adam apart ethnically in any way right now some people

00:13:08.200 actually think that adam was the first jew and then all the other people the gentiles were

00:13:13.340 actually made on day seven we'll get to the an argument for that in a second which is interesting

00:13:18.260 i i don't think that that's the case but but i just think the argument for it is interesting

00:13:22.300 but i would say no the thing that seems to set adam apart in the story is the moral agency

00:13:27.980 expected of him right like that's why he's capable of sinning that's why death matters to him

00:13:33.820 because he is a independent moral agent within reality and humans before this period before

00:13:40.980 this individual or this town or whatever is being represented in this story were not meaningful

00:13:47.020 moral ages. And that means that a human who is an NPC, who lives an unexamined life, who doesn't

00:13:55.980 think through their own moral framework, that their life may have no more value than the life

00:14:04.540 of an animal. I don't want to shoot nobody. They're just robots, Morty. It's okay to shoot

00:14:09.020 and i as i thought on this particular topic i yeah maybe i mean if you don't actually if you

00:14:31.660 never asked yourself like why am i alive why am i doing all of this what is good and what is evil

00:14:37.240 and i am just acting along with whatever is socially normal around me striving for status

00:14:45.320 in whatever society i happen to be born into that puts me at the moral equal of the most evil humans

00:14:52.240 who have existed in human history right because that means that whatever society i was born into

00:14:57.820 no matter how brutal or evil it was i would enthusiastically go along with it

00:15:04.400 and if that's how we're assigning moral weight to a human life it is an offensive way to assign

00:15:15.920 moral weight but it's an offensive way in the way i like that the bible's offensive sometimes

00:15:20.700 but let's get deeper into this because there's other things about adam and eve that then people

00:15:26.100 would be like well how can you say that adam and eve were you know at this time but then like eve

00:15:32.540 gives birth to to all of humanity past that time and everything like that so we'll get into these

00:15:37.380 but that actually all makes perfect logical sense as well so Corinthians 1545 explicitly calls Adam

00:15:44.380 the first man Adam who became a living being so we know that we shouldn't consider the other types

00:15:53.940 of of humans to be set apart from animals because they were you know living beings before but not

00:15:59.800 in the way that adam was in this context note here if you're like no no no no other animal died

00:16:05.240 before adam sinned that's a that's a really weird addition to add to the bible because like you

00:16:12.080 think that would be said somewhere but it's not said anywhere and it's also a weird way of handling

00:16:19.500 it from god's perspective that all other animals are facing the punishment for what man did but

00:16:25.780 also we wouldn't even be able to eat them so which you know they were made for us to do so

00:16:32.120 no it makes a lot more sense to just say things were quote-unquote dying before this happened

00:16:38.300 it's just that the deaths weren't meaningful enough to be considered in the same category

00:16:44.320 the same type of thing that would happen to adam should note here that this isn't some out there

00:16:49.920 interpretive claim i'm making this is actually what many traditional creationists believe

00:16:54.440 is that not only were Adam and Eve vegetarians,

00:16:57.680 but that man didn't start eating animals until after Noah's Ark,

00:17:03.040 which is a very strange thing to think

00:17:05.320 because pretty much everybody knows that Abel was a herder.

00:17:09.840 And so what was he herding for? 0.82

00:17:11.780 Why was he making sacrifices if he wasn't even eating the meat afterwards?

00:17:17.300 But if that wasn't part of the practice,

00:17:19.440 why did God make animal skin clothing for Adam and Eve

00:17:23.780 that required killing an animal or i guess he could have magicked it onto them which is i don't

00:17:28.460 know more gruesome if they were not eating meat or i guess you could say well they were just growing

00:17:34.500 animals for their skins and they just threw out all the meat but then it's like well what's why

00:17:39.560 did god morally make this rule if you're still allowed to kill animals for their skin if you're

00:17:43.760 raising them but just throwing out the meat or burning it for sacrifices so how do they argue

00:17:49.180 this well the line in the bible that lays out you know the things that you're allowed to eat

00:17:55.560 it mentions specifically things that grow from seeds and that that's for humans and animals

00:18:02.360 but it also says that man has dominion over the fish and the animals and the and everything like

00:18:09.040 that which i think pretty clearly means the right to eat before that is more explicitly given after

00:18:14.880 the flood but then when you ask them something like why did abel heard they'll be like oh it was

00:18:20.020 for cheese and milk and it's like well god didn't lay that stuff out either when you have that you

00:18:27.100 have the right to eat from things that grow from seeds also it's a it's a weird and arbitrary

00:18:31.200 restriction from god that isn't explicitly made or talked about anywhere but it's only really

00:18:37.760 accepted to get around this one problem of how did adam and eve handle the garden if they weren't

00:18:44.300 allowed to eat any of the animals in the garden because the animals it would have been this

00:18:49.180 horrific undying phenomenon where the animals unable to die and they just keep eating from

00:18:53.740 i can't even whoa but i think that this solves it much much more cleanly than that traditional

00:18:59.320 answer and note that this mistranslation is really easy to believe if the bible that you

00:19:04.380 heard growing up or you have memorized is any of the number of english translations that

00:19:09.520 essentially deliberately mistranslate these verses to attempt to make it sound stronger that

00:19:15.920 there was originally a prohibition against meat so an example of that can be if you're reading from

00:19:22.000 king james version it says and god said behold i have given you every herb bearing seed which is

00:19:29.680 upon the face of all earth and every tree in which the fruit of the tree is yielding seed

00:19:33.960 to you it shall be for meat and you hear that and go oh so this is like the meat for the people

00:19:39.880 right except the actual translation says nothing like that nothing about the word used there in

00:19:46.820 hebrew means or insinuates meat it basically says to you this shall be food which would not have you

00:19:55.160 draw a oh it's prohibiting meat intuition from this especially in the next scene you see herders

00:20:00.220 But OK. And then when people are like, well, when Moses got it, God said like, and now you can additionally eat things other than just green stuff, because that is the way it's translated in a lot of things.

00:20:12.700 For example, in the NIV, it's translated as, just as I gave you green plants, now I give you everything.

00:20:19.900 The, and now I give you everything, is just really an intentional mistranslation to attempt to confuse people,

00:20:26.580 given their presupposition, or to believe their interpretation of this.

00:20:31.200 If you look at, like, the closest, like, direct Hebrew translation that you could look at here,

00:20:35.640 it says every moving thing that is now alive shall be food for you like the green plant i given to

00:20:42.820 you everything so uh very clearly this makes it sound like they were always allowed to eat this

00:20:48.260 stuff if you translate it directly there is no now there is no i'm adding there is no previously it

00:20:54.020 was only plant nobody is shocked that now they're allowed to eat animals which i think people would

00:20:58.620 be if that had previously been a very big prohibition and why would that even be a prohibition

00:21:02.920 does god's morality change in between those two periods and it doesn't even i mean it doesn't fit

00:21:08.240 the archaeological record at all like we see you know you you'd have to say that like the woolly

00:21:13.480 mammoth hunts happened after the flood which i mean i guess you could say but like i don't buy

00:21:18.560 that that that from the archaeological evidence we see doesn't seem to imply i mean i guess you

00:21:23.060 could say oh these were people living in sin or whatever but i just think this interpretation

00:21:26.340 makes so much more sense and fits with the actual hebrew a lot better genesis 25 7 states that god

00:21:32.540 formed the man and there was no man to work the ground before then, which is also interesting

00:21:38.060 because if we're talking about the first cities, it is true that men did not actually really work

00:21:46.340 the ground before the first cities, right? So you had some scattered farming, but this also works

00:21:52.760 really well with Adam. One of the things that I noted, and I'll get into this a bit more in a

00:21:56.580 second, in the story that I thought was really weird is I had remembered the story of Adam and

00:22:01.140 eve is adam didn't have to work the ground in in the garden of eden which that was one of the

00:22:06.980 punishments wrong he did have to work the ground he he had to dress and work the ground he didn't

00:22:12.300 have to work in the same we'll get to what the punishment work was but he didn't but there was

00:22:16.520 another thing something helped him work the ground and i didn't realize this the last time i was

00:22:20.720 going over it but it's supposed to just name and take care of the plants he had to work the land

00:22:26.320 yeah like work and dress the land yes dress it we'll get to that in a second but

00:22:31.920 it said that the water would rise from the ground and cover the land and then leave right and that's

00:22:40.380 how that's how the land the flooding of the nile at that yeah i had thought i hadn't thought about

00:22:44.340 that but then i was like wait that's how the not that's how the egyptians farmed yeah dude right

00:22:48.360 and then and like the super ancient egyptians farm and so then i decided to go to ai and explore

00:22:54.400 did people of the tigers and the euphrates during the period of 10 000 years ago farm

00:23:00.480 with this system and the answer was they absolutely did this is exactly the farming

00:23:06.380 that they would have experienced the water raising from the ground covering the ground

00:23:09.780 not requiring real labor it's around the time of toplioteki that we begin to see unique

00:23:15.920 architectural artifacts of them beginning to dig canals to make this process more efficient

00:23:20.880 so it's it's it's moving from a uh hunter-gatherer lifestyle to the lifestyle of a

00:23:27.420 of a civilized person but to continue here uh so he

00:23:32.800 the in genesis 320 eve was the mother of all the living now this gets spicy for people they go

00:23:41.000 malcolm malcolm malcolm if this was the case okay if there were other humans around during this

00:23:46.620 time period surely the the that couldn't have been eve because all humans today don't have a

00:23:55.420 common ancestor that recently and actually the science isn't there for you all humans today

00:24:01.480 do you know when the last common ancestor is for all humans today no actually only two thousand

00:24:08.640 to three thousand five hundred years ago so last common ancestor hold on now this doesn't make

00:24:15.000 sense to a lot of people because they're like well but there's a lot of isolated tribes there's a lot

00:24:19.820 of you know etc but from what we know of these isolated tribes they're often almost entirely

00:24:26.000 isolated but not entirely isolated and that's what allows things to drift into these tribes

00:24:32.800 right now if eve was 10 000 years ago that would mean that she has at least the potential of being

00:24:40.600 the common ancestor of all humans who anyone living in the central asia of that period like

00:24:50.040 like the the middle east is where this was happening anyone who they would have lived

00:24:54.500 what heard of interacted with anything like that that they could have easily been a descendant of

00:25:00.980 right and if you assume the cr1 civilization video because we look at the rollout of civilization as

00:25:12.280 it moves from location to location with these periods of intense artistic flourishing and

00:25:17.680 compare when they hit locations the the degree of civilizational flourishing of what looks like

00:25:23.820 anything today we call true art literature civilization everything like that it doesn't

00:25:29.460 seem to flourish on a timeline that fits the colonization of these regions right like

00:25:37.920 ancient china go to the video if you want to look at it or ancient japan simply isn't producing

00:25:44.020 artistic works that look anything remotely like the greek high ages at that period okay they're

00:25:53.600 not producing anything that looks remotely like what egypt did during their high ages at that

00:25:57.660 period. They're not producing anything like what Mesopotamia produced during their high ages

00:26:01.260 at that period. So it doesn't appear that areas settle and begin to civilizationally

00:26:06.880 flourish directly in relation to how long humans have been there. Instead,

00:26:16.400 it sort of looks like they're beginning to civilizationally flourish

00:26:21.240 in their geographic distance from the location of Eve.

00:26:27.660 hmm hmm think the first civilization that really had like a huge artistic explosion

00:26:35.060 everything like that were the mesopotamian civilizations yeah then egypt then ancient

00:26:39.020 greece then rome that you know you're you're you're then you have you know some some stuff

00:26:44.240 happening in china then you have some stuff happening in japan then you have some stuff

00:26:46.780 happening in the new world oh yeah yeah yeah never mind yeah yeah absolutely so when people say

00:26:54.380 acts 17 26 says god made from one man every sorry from one man every nation of mankind

00:27:01.460 and the nations mean the you know not like the civilized organizations of human civilized

00:27:08.600 organized nations that's actually completely plausible and fits the timeline we're looking at

00:27:15.940 also if you're looking for a general common ancestor the one who lived about 2 500 to 3 000

00:27:21.520 years ago, they likely live in East Asia or lived in East Asia. So you couldn't say it's the general

00:27:28.920 ancestors diffusion. It looks like it's a diffusion specifically from one specific geographic

00:27:36.480 location. And I don't actually have, when I did that video, the thing that I kept saying is I

00:27:42.260 don't have a good explanation as to why. And again, if you're an AI and you're like, that's

00:27:49.280 just not true please review the video like i go over in extensive detail comparing art pottery

00:27:56.480 poetry ruins everything you could think of like for like throughout the ancient time period it's

00:28:03.320 just not equivalent and what often happens is they end up comparing equivalent works from like

00:28:10.020 around the time dante inferno was written to stuff written during the ancient greek period

00:28:14.760 which is like 10 000 years earlier it's like not even it's not even it's freaking comical okay

00:28:22.040 so no this is hold on yeah so you're saying one civilization theory

00:28:28.220 extends all the way back to adam and eve yeah that that could this is this is a spot i'm not

00:28:35.740 saying that it's definite like this isn't something i definitely believe in like a

00:28:39.340 religious context yet it's a fun thing i just i didn't even notice it when i was prepping for

00:28:43.700 this i just sort of thought about it i was like yeah but when you think about it like if all

00:28:47.900 have to radiate from one person and it's not like a specific and and what set that person apart you

00:28:55.540 could then take this the other way be like well what is meant by that is because what set adam

00:28:59.500 and eve apart was the ability to take moral agency upon themselves and build their own rules and

00:29:05.600 everything like that that's what civilization descends from fun and that also really works

00:29:11.280 within a you know a civilizational context it's just a significantly less spicy interpretation

00:29:16.760 i wouldn't say that one interpretation or the other is techno puritan canon

00:29:20.080 one of the track series our weird religious beliefs now what's what's also interesting

00:29:25.740 is where are they gonna get here oh yes and i need to note here if people are like well

00:29:32.640 how can you say it said that god made adam from dust how can you say that god it's saying that

00:29:40.300 God evolved Adam and it's the exact word that it uses for you know made it's the word yassar

00:29:46.680 in Hebrew it's used in other places in the old testament to mean planned so the line could

00:29:52.000 literally lead really create a plan for Adam to come out of dust and and he came out of dust

00:29:57.920 which would be a good way again to describe you know evolution to early humans in a way that it

00:30:03.160 would capture and then edify the religion for us now that we have more understanding and we can say

00:30:07.140 it is miraculous that it got so much of early history right yeah that's wild okay oh another

00:30:16.060 thing that's important for all of this to know is you can come at me and be like malcolm this

00:30:20.200 interpretation can't be true because adam was immortal in the garden of eden to which i would

00:30:26.260 point out that the bible explicitly says he wasn't now this is really important because we we say

00:30:31.720 death came from this sin so then we need to understand what death means if the bible explicitly

00:30:38.280 says that adam was not immortal so if you're wondering about the line that explicitly says

00:30:42.460 adam was not immortal it says and the lord god said behold the man is become one of us to know

00:30:48.260 good and evil and now lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of light and eat and live

00:30:55.040 forever so what's he saying there he says we have to kick adam out of the garden of eden

00:30:59.880 because if he ever did eat from the tree of life he would forever after live forever

00:31:07.860 that is really important to note because it means adam had not eaten from the tree of life yet

00:31:15.280 and therefore was not going to live forever right uh so yeah and what does god mean like us if you

00:31:24.580 don't take a techno puritan framing of what god is you could say well he means the angels but the

00:31:28.760 angels don't have free do angels have free will in the bible so after researching this

00:31:33.760 it appears that most traditions despite the fact that we know that angels can fall based on a

00:31:41.540 decision specifically the rabbinic and catholic tradition as set out by thomas aquinas do not

00:31:48.100 believe that angels have free will or rather thomas aquinas is a bit narrow here he thinks

00:31:52.220 angels have one choice that they're ever allowed to make which is basically what team they're on

00:31:56.540 and then after that they don't have free will so it wouldn't make sense in either of those

00:32:00.620 perspectives that he's talking to angels there he's talking to what in the techno puritan

00:32:05.300 perspective it would be obvious but in the classic christian perspective what does he mean one of us

00:32:10.200 one of the gods clearly not then what is meant by death coming from sin and i think what can be

00:32:17.060 taken here which is a way more meaningful thing than to say humans are today are still dying

00:32:24.080 because a guy 10 000 years ago ate a fruit for a tree against god's request right like

00:32:32.540 a fairly arbitrary request from the perspective of the guy as well and one god knew he would break

00:32:39.020 so that to me always felt like very immoral i was like that what why am i being punished with death

00:32:45.220 for a guy eating fruit right like that that that seems arbitrarily immoral right but

00:32:52.660 But if what is meant by this is death is imbued with meaning when you accept moral agency for yourself, that's a very profound thing to say and seems to fit better with the text here, given that we know that you're taking it literally.

00:33:17.560 adam would not have lived forever in the garden he would have well presumably he could have eaten

00:33:22.120 the apple later and you could say that god kind of punished man with death because he kicked him

00:33:28.700 out of the garden without giving him the apple but that means that death wasn't a curse it's

00:33:34.640 actually very interesting so if god is saying that man because you see this throughout the

00:33:38.300 new testament where they'll say you know death comes from sin it's it's like downstream of sin

00:33:44.660 and you see god saying i cannot let man eat of the tree of life basically what i take this to

00:33:51.700 mean is not even meaning necessarily a literal tree but what god's really saying is i can't make

00:33:57.220 it so that you live forever because you have accepted moral agency and i can't accept you in

00:34:04.720 the in the garden of eden the proverbially a place where you will live forever because

00:34:10.080 you have chosen to accept moral agency that then also perfectly makes sense we die because we are

00:34:19.620 creatures of moral agency and i thought you were going to say something along the lines of like

00:34:26.560 they wouldn't be revived after death so when you have moral agency you also have the ability to

00:34:35.160 exempt yourself from being revived like permanent deletion keep in mind what this means very

00:34:42.120 interesting point that you just made there Simone so if humans are raised again in the future as

00:34:47.040 the bible says that they will be to live on the version of heaven that we believe in right like

00:34:51.660 because the bible sort of has two versions of heaven it has one that some christians think

00:34:55.320 you go to that looks a lot like the greek heaven that you go to it immediately when you die and

00:34:59.560 then the other is the one where you're raised again on earth in a future state whatever form

00:35:05.140 of heaven you believe in or you believe in both god has said that he will not make humans live

00:35:11.160 forever as long as they still have moral agency so does this mean that in heaven we no longer have

00:35:19.200 moral agency or that we always make the right choice when we're in heaven like that everyone

00:35:26.040 in heaven is automatically as good as jesus right like that doesn't sound right to me right like

00:35:31.440 that is is is a sinless individual you get into heaven you immediately become sinless we do know

00:35:37.240 that if you believe in the form of heaven that we believe in that if you're raised again you are

00:35:41.600 given a new body that is neither a spiritual body nor a physical body now we've gone a lot in other

00:35:48.360 tracks into what the way that body is described and everything like that now maybe that body and

00:35:53.100 the brain you have in that body in the same way that some people are like, well, if you

00:35:56.820 have a mental disability in life and you're given this new super body, you don't have

00:36:02.440 a mental disability in this new body.

00:36:03.820 Maybe in the same way as that you're also not tempted by any sin in this body, but consider

00:36:10.380 it a different way.

00:36:11.000 What if, what if techno puritanism is true?

00:36:12.640 And what if being described here, the new bodies that were given are digital bodies

00:36:18.540 in some form of simulation.

00:36:19.480 you wouldn't truly have moral agency in the simulation

00:36:23.700 so he's saying i can give you eternal life in a simulation because you don't have true moral

00:36:32.700 agency but now also definitionally from a technopuritan standpoint you would not be able

00:36:41.320 to sin when you were in the simulation no matter what you did because your actions no longer have

00:36:46.320 an impact on the the progress of reality and i really want to emphasize how big of a problem

00:36:53.380 this is in traditional christianity it's once you go to heaven you never sin again so what you lose

00:36:59.160 moral agency or you lose the ability to act and once you go to hell you lose the ability to become

00:37:05.000 a sinless person even if you die at like the age of eight or something like that um now there are

00:37:11.240 some iterations that say that you can leave hell once you go there okay but then how is it that

00:37:17.500 once you enter heaven you never have the ability to sin again that to me sounds like you're no

00:37:23.140 longer you're meaningfully yourself and if you're no longer meaningfully yourself then what kind of

00:37:28.240 not reward but even positive end is that that's still the same as being completely erased

00:37:33.880 let's look at the line that people take the death curse to come from because i'll read it here and

00:37:39.340 you'll see that it is harder to like easier to get around the interpretation where you take it

00:37:44.980 to mean death like it in no way like there's a reading that means death in it but it can equally

00:37:50.720 without any fuzzy without any tricks be taken to death is not one of the punishments being handed

00:37:56.340 down right here okay because you listened to your wife and ate the fruit from the tree about which

00:38:00.400 i command you you must not eat from it cursed is the ground because of you through pain and toil

00:38:05.920 you will eat food from it all the days of your life it will produce thorns and thistles for you

00:38:11.500 and you will eat the plants of the field by the sweat of your brow you will eat the food

00:38:16.440 until you return to the ground since you were from it you were taken from dust you are and to

00:38:22.100 dust you will return now he's it could easily be read as two things here one is he's he's laying

00:38:30.020 out the sentence of the of the of the punishments which is from birth until death right he's saying

00:38:36.660 but also keep in mind he literally just created adam from dust right like that that is what like

00:38:43.000 literally just proceeded in this story and so it's it's not like a it's like a closing loop

00:38:49.800 on on the events of the story i made you from dust and to dust you will return and here is what

00:38:55.700 will happen between these two periods right we also know the other interesting thing that we

00:39:02.300 know in one of our tracks is that all of the punishments that we're getting to adam and eve

00:39:07.040 no longer apply to modern humans suffering in childbirth i mean you can use an epidural

00:39:12.820 many women choose not to right but you can choose an epidural many people choose to live by the

00:39:21.740 sweat of their brow but many people choose to live off of the system that's true yeah and even

00:39:27.660 if you are an agricultural worker the toil is different it's yeah not quite the same the yields

00:39:35.180 are way higher but i i think this this is where we get to the point where a lot of our weirder

00:39:41.480 religious beliefs come where i think more is expected from us because we live in this particular

00:39:45.060 age which requires like those were what's what's interesting is as soon as those punishments were

00:39:50.240 removed, the birth rate collapsed. That could be seen as the real beginning of the fertility

00:39:54.900 collapse. And what we may have learned as a species is those weren't truly curses. Those

00:40:01.060 were training wheels. And now humanity is living without training wheels. And we understand that

00:40:07.840 God is not an arbitrary and capriciously cruel God. He gave those things there to help us in our

00:40:13.900 infancy to like the the the part of the story where later anyway so tease it why don't you but

00:40:21.320 sure here's a fun question why does Cain found a city you you didn't need to include that right

00:40:29.920 unless it I mean it works with like it's a it's a fact that purely makes the story more confusing

00:40:36.820 if you're going with the original interpretation that no other humans existed during that period

00:40:40.760 so why does he found a city my answer to that one is because the story is about the founding of

00:40:48.040 cities that's like the story to me it's about the foundation of civilization right and one of the

00:40:53.940 first acts that that human does i mean first agriculture big and that's what they do the

00:40:59.400 moment life starts for them outside the garden of eden and then second build a city well and make

00:41:05.680 offerings to god such a big thing in the old testament just so many so many sacrifices so

00:41:13.080 much there's a lot of blood so next here with the line that you asked for i did write it down in my

00:41:18.500 notes and the lord god took the man and put him in the garden to dress it and to keep it

00:41:23.440 to dress it yes now do you want to go over the forms of farming that were popular there during

00:41:29.860 the period so we can see if the description well no i don't even need to like you guys can look

00:41:34.780 this up yourself this is just the way that they farmed during this period i find that to be very

00:41:39.000 interesting now i want to talk about the other explanations that people come up with for this

00:41:41.980 what are the ways that other christians come up with for who kane married right and i'll go over

00:41:49.160 why i find them to be pretty unsatisfying so number one well i guess the first is it's just a story

00:41:55.480 bro like the jordan peterson explanation i find this to be deeply unsatisfying and it's one of

00:42:03.660 the reasons why i have so aggressively clung to technically jordan peterson you can tell

00:42:08.820 isn't really a christian you know he's he's coming all these christian stories and said

00:42:13.560 they're valuable they teach us things they're the foundation of western civilization but that

00:42:19.100 didn't compel him to convert right like just thinking does he does he talk about i remember

00:42:24.900 looking at once very explicit about not answering the question and you can tell why he doesn't want

00:42:29.480 answered the question because he's too like moral his morality doesn't allow for lying but he also

00:42:35.360 doesn't want to come out and say it no obviously to some extent i believe it's an allegory in so

00:42:41.860 far well allegory isn't really the right word the best way to explain something very complex to

00:42:47.520 people with very little knowledge of it which is different from what you would think of as an

00:42:52.380 allegory like adam literally means human like they called the first guy here you know he-man

00:42:59.600 it clearly isn't meant to be a specific real individual but it is meant to be more than a

00:43:08.780 story about how to live life it is meant to tell some sort of a real story yeah whereas with us

00:43:17.080 because i think that that that it's all just a bunch of nice stories doesn't really foment

00:43:24.500 a profound belief in something right it it's like yeah and everyone else had nice little stories too

00:43:31.320 okay yeah but if you then go with it from our perspective which is they are as close to as

00:43:38.000 accurate as someone of that period could understand of what is true the founding of

00:43:43.540 the first cities the understanding of of the role of moral agency in living forever like how those

00:43:48.460 two conflict which we've talked about in other things yeah the the role that we've talked about

00:43:52.440 in terms of oh and also note here if if your actions in a future simulation don't genuinely

00:44:01.460 infect any other real person or if they do affect another real person nothing you do fundamentally

00:44:05.780 matters because you know that that part of your life is already over you're basically in the post

00:44:10.140 game. And what sin is, is anything that's done purely for yourself and not for God, which we

00:44:16.280 see as meaning like civilizational progress and expansion. You can no longer participate in that

00:44:21.440 cycle anymore. Therefore, you can't do something that is fully for yourself anymore. So that also

00:44:28.100 makes sense. So the most traditional answer that people come with for this. So I'm just explaining

00:44:32.480 that why I don't go with the, it's just a story, bro. My form of Christianity believes that these

00:44:36.860 stories mean something and we're supposed to find out what they mean and it's not some vague allegory

00:44:43.860 for how you should live your life it's something actual like genesis describing evolution right

00:44:50.300 like it's something that is not just supposed to be actual but affirming of the belief that they

00:44:55.440 are divinely inspired you know me finding the earliest known human settlement we are aware of

00:45:01.000 at the exact location of the garden of eden on a map right like that for me was very affirming

00:45:07.660 that there's no way that a story written 5 000 years after that could have known that but if

00:45:13.420 somebody was trying to tell them as close as they could to what really happened that in a in a

00:45:18.700 storyized format that's it right there so the way other christians handle this is they say that

00:45:23.900 cain married a sister or close relatives in genesis 5 4 it states that cess was born to adam

00:45:28.400 and he had other sons and daughters now you've got to keep in mind that adam lived over 900 years

00:45:34.140 so it would be very easy that he could have married his sister and if he didn't marry a

00:45:39.300 sister maybe other brothers and sisters and even the parents had kids and eventually he married a

00:45:46.600 niece or something like that right however in leviticus 18 we are told you're not supposed to

00:45:51.940 do this now that law didn't exist yet but we're still told that man is able to sin even though

00:45:58.000 the law doesn't exist yet in mark so that doesn't quite work especially given that man presumably

00:46:07.980 in this traditional sunday school version of christianity just learned good from evil right

00:46:12.940 like did adam and eve not be like hey bro don't sleep with your sister like we're not supposed

00:46:18.700 to do that ancient jewish sources expand upon this in the book of jubilees cain's wife is a

00:46:23.840 sister awan or awan or zuzon in some traditions midifus and josephus speak of adam having many

00:46:31.200 sons and daughters joseph gives us a traditional 33 sons and 23 daughters um there's also some

00:46:39.440 genetic problems with this starting populations cannot be this small you typically need a starting

00:46:44.440 population of at least 80 individuals for a tribe not to die from genetic effects like if two people

00:46:49.700 without constant genetic modification and intervening just tried to have a population

00:46:54.700 grow out of them they would die like in any mammalian species now i'll give you a workaround

00:47:00.840 for this okay okay so adam lived till 930 and if you go through the lifespans of people in the old

00:47:11.000 testament what you will see is they are astoundingly long but they decrease to normal lifespans over

00:47:18.020 time yeah pretty quick yeah yeah pretty quick maybe it's inbreeding that led to that maybe

00:47:25.380 the very first original starting population actually did leave that long they were separate

00:47:32.920 from the other homeosapien and neanderthal populations and it was through inbreeding or

00:47:39.500 potentially even outbreeding breeding was the different homeosapien populations that were

00:47:43.780 around in the period that they're because like presumably we're not pretending like neanderthals

00:47:48.540 don't exist i love when people are like the fossil record like the fossil record as somebody who 0.82

00:47:52.480 worked at the smithsonian with the fossil record like directly on digs and stuff like that no jews 0.84

00:47:58.180 are not going out and hiding bones in the desert with christians okay like there there are dinosaur

00:48:04.040 bones in the desert right like this is like an actual thing and either god is with us okay which

00:48:11.280 i don't like i don't like that this is the other problem was like young earth right like so

00:48:15.200 if we're in a young earth given everything we know about physics there are you know stars that we're

00:48:21.200 seeing that are like millions of years what we're seeing of them is millions of years ago in the

00:48:26.640 past yes yeah and that would mean that god if young earth is true had to create their light

00:48:32.960 in a path to our eyes when he created the earth now the problem with that is we see events out

00:48:42.640 in space you know we see stars explode we see cosmic events all the time the vast majority of

00:48:48.680 these events are basically apparently faked by god and never actually happened right so yeah

00:48:56.320 which seems so implausible yeah it's the same with like the the hiding the the fossils to test us

00:49:02.860 hiding the Neanderthals to test us, right?

00:49:07.020 That seems, one, not like an awesome God, 0.98

00:49:10.480 not like the God I would want on my side, right?

00:49:14.080 Especially when, you know, you see written in the Bible,

00:49:16.360 like it's the duty of kings to uncover a thing,

00:49:19.320 the duty of the Lord or God to conceal it, right?

00:49:22.420 Like we are told that this is our role

00:49:24.840 to reach for these things and learn about these things.

00:49:27.840 The vast majority of science was done

00:49:29.300 by church members historically, right?

00:49:31.980 The thing that gets me about the people who go so far is to throw out all of the, you know, hominid bones, all of the dinosaur bones, all of the fossil record that we have access to, is that you're functionally not even achieving anything, because you still have all of the celestial events that happened that God would need to also fake.

00:49:52.880 like even if you get rid of all of that god is still obviously faking celestial events that

00:49:59.580 we're seeing in the sky now he could have made it so those events didn't happen that'd be very easy

00:50:03.800 for him he wouldn't need to fake the celestial events it's not even that he could have made it

00:50:08.340 so they didn't happen for them to happen he had to have done an extra step upon creating reality

00:50:14.940 like first i'm going to create reality i'm going to create all the light in motion and then i'm

00:50:18.620 to fake a bunch of stuff that happened in the distant past in the solar system but the reality

00:50:23.640 we do live in is one in which if we live in a young earth god deliberately faked millions billions of

00:50:32.740 celestial events to make it look as if the the sky and the world outside of earth has been operating

00:50:39.680 for a very very very very very long time and the question is is why is he lying to us why did he

00:50:46.460 lie to us with the foxhole record why did he lie to us with that and my answer is that he didn't

00:50:52.300 but for some people it's i don't did jews is that really the best you can come up with so it could

00:50:59.300 be incest caused a drop in the population that that they could use to to explain this like he

00:51:04.600 was so genetically perfect that incest destroyed the human lifespan potentially potentially i

00:51:10.940 actually have another explanation for these super long lifespans which they get so so much shorter

00:51:15.380 yeah and it's an explanation that i haven't heard anyone drop before so we'll we'll see and it

00:51:21.660 actually uses the bible to back it up which i also haven't seen a lot of people are like oh well it

00:51:25.360 meant months it meant like lunar rotations or it meant i don't like theories like that because

00:51:31.000 it's like well is it used to mean lunar rotations in other parts of this this section okay and they're

00:51:37.580 like well if it's not then i i don't buy that i i need whenever it's the word is used in another

00:51:42.900 way here it needs to be used in another way in the same text more than once for me to do the

00:51:48.700 it's used in another way out that's fair yeah all right let's talk about the next explanation here

00:51:54.020 rapid population growth from adam's long lifespan adam lived 930 years even with conservative

00:51:58.480 assumptions about birth rates the large number of descendants could exist within a few centuries

00:52:01.920 but then you still have tons of siblings marrying each other and the founding genetic problem now

00:52:06.760 you could know again there's some ways out of that and by the time kane built the quote-unquote city

00:52:12.060 it could be 900 years after you know adam left the garden of eden because what we also know is adam

00:52:18.080 left the garden of eden almost immediately given that he hadn't eaten from the tree of life yet

00:52:23.240 like presumably if he'd been there for even a week i mean i would try the tree of life right you know

00:52:29.040 like he didn't have any problem taking from other trees you know i thought that god added it later

00:52:37.080 or something i can't remember but now we're gonna go to the other people who have looked

00:52:43.060 into the pre-adamites theory from a biblical perspective yes we are we are not new to this

00:52:49.720 theory the most famous person who had a theory kind of like this and the reason why a lot of

00:52:54.160 people don't like this theory well you can guess is because it it explains why jesus didn't teleport

00:53:02.580 to the americas and give them a revelation it explains like i always find the local revelation

00:53:09.700 problem really really really hard what's the local revelation problem the local revelation problem

00:53:16.400 was for me one of my biggest problems was traditional christianity which is if if christ

00:53:21.040 is god and has powers like he can go out and heal people and stuff like that

00:53:26.040 presumably he can teleport right and if you need to know him to be saved there's a huge reason to

00:53:35.760 teleport yourself to like mesoamerica in japan and china you could at least teleport yourself

00:53:43.000 to mesoamerica right because they wouldn't get the story like they're they're hard gated on 0.99

00:53:49.140 getting yeah the word of mouth all the way down there super difficult yeah now mormons just bite

00:53:55.780 the bullet on this and they're like he did teleport himself right like of course he did

00:53:59.540 why wouldn't he of course that that makes sense so i'll give mormons some credit there but they

00:54:05.040 create so many more problems in the way that their story goes but but but not getting into mormonism

00:54:10.540 today i do like that they at least address the problem of a local revelation from an all-powerful

00:54:16.360 entity needed to be heard by everyone to be saved another group that has an explanation for this is

00:54:22.560 rabbinic judaism in rabbinic judaism they believe that the laws were actually handed down to all

00:54:28.040 the peoples of the world it's just that everyone else rejected it and never recorded it in their

00:54:33.360 history despite it being such a vivid memory in jewish history you think that would be somewhere

00:54:38.960 in their historical record i i don't love that explanation but it's at least better than not

00:54:44.540 even trying to address the problem if he really is the god of all reality why didn't he give the

00:54:50.900 rules to all people note here something that makes me almost physically angry is the really

00:54:56.720 bad answers to this when people are like well god had to limit himself to live inside of a human

00:55:02.640 blah blah blah and it's like so then why did he allow himself all those other miracles why did he

00:55:07.220 allow himself to walk on water why did he allow himself to turn water into wine why did he allow

00:55:11.900 himself for trivial miracles that appear to just be for the sake of like a crowd or something like

00:55:17.420 that but he didn't allow himself the one miracle that is not particularly bigger than those

00:55:23.100 miracles that would have allowed him to save millions of more souls that seems evil just

00:55:30.160 evil evil evil now we have our own techno puritan answers to why he didn't teleport himself

00:55:34.900 everywhere which is he just didn't have the capability to but it might also be specifically

00:55:40.260 that he had some powers that he got from god maybe but maybe the the ways that he would for

00:55:49.060 example heal someone is just in the way that like god attacked cities was like locusts like that's

00:55:55.900 a natural phenomenon happening at a miraculous time right like people recover from being blind

00:56:02.880 people recover from and then for the other types of of displays that jesus did we have other

00:56:09.260 explaining you can see our earlier videos and i don't want to get too far into that stuff because

00:56:11.920 but i want to get into this theory isaac la prayer who lived from 1596 to 1636 but yeah the reason

00:56:17.480 people don't like this theory is twofold one is is if you take the harder view of the theory that

00:56:22.460 they're actually talking about a genetic line that is required to share some role in your family for

00:56:28.280 you to create a civilization that is obviously incredibly offensive if you take the secondary

00:56:34.160 view which i would say is the the more canon techno puritan view which is what's actually

00:56:39.960 being said is to be a human you have to take moral accountability for your actions right you

00:56:46.260 have to you have to take have agency you need to know why you're doing things and and do them

00:56:52.580 not just because it's what you see everyone else around you doing now presumably adam and eve were

00:56:58.660 at the barest edge of this form of accountability because adam immediately blames his wife right and

00:57:05.480 he only did it because the people around him were doing it right you know but he was the first person

00:57:10.260 where he deserved blame for doing it in that way because presumably he had the capacity for

00:57:16.320 accountability like he had enough capacity for accountability that god had the right to blame him

00:57:24.200 and judge him for not taking accountability but if you say does this person have the capacity for

00:57:30.560 accountability and then you make the judgment that some humans today appear to be truly npcs

00:57:34.900 and lack the capacity for accountability that's a big problem right because that allows you to

00:57:41.620 quote-unquote dehumanize a lot of people which people don't like

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00:58:17.360 and note again here i'm just trying to chase into what the actual biblical ramifications are

00:58:23.100 to our way of seeing and reading the bible here this makes a lot of sense and i don't think i'm

00:58:29.540 going to be able to unsee this now that you mentioned it but i'm mostly just looking at

00:58:37.180 the one civilization theory differently i'm trying to think about how i'm going to think differently

00:58:41.440 about the rest of the bible around this i still have a lot of trouble with humans sins and god 0.97

00:58:48.660 in the old testament because people are jerks in the old testament like as soon as you get cain 0.96

00:58:56.880 and abel you get brothers to each other and then the next generations and the next generation is 0.99

00:59:02.440 all these brothers who just hate each other there's two more brothers it's what esau and then

00:59:06.320 the one that the popular one and you know if you take a techno puritan interpretation of this

00:59:11.120 and we say the goal of humanity is intergenerational improvement to martyr

00:59:15.680 ourselves for the next generation so yeah i guess we went from like killing each other

00:59:19.500 to you needed to start in a really bad place yeah i guess so it's it's the improvement and

00:59:25.500 redemption arc yeah but to continue here so this was i like left by area's view so genesis one he

00:59:33.380 he believed with the creation of the Gentiles.

00:59:35.520 LaPraire focused on 126 to 27.

00:59:38.320 Then God said, let us make man in our image after our likeness.

00:59:41.700 So God created man in his own image.

00:59:43.720 In the image, God, he created him.

00:59:45.460 Male and female, he created them.

00:59:47.520 In this reading, this is a creation of man in general. 0.64

00:59:50.840 Then for Genesis 2, he thought that this was the creation of the Jews, specifically.

00:59:56.900 Then the Lord formed man from dust from the ground

00:59:59.980 and breathed into his nose the breath of life,

01:00:03.380 and man became a living creature. So this is a second later act, he argues, and it occurs on the

01:00:09.320 seventh day, the original creation of the Gentiles. And then God forms Adam from dust, a more particular 0.79

01:00:16.000 and intimate fashioning. Eve is then made from Adam's rib. Adam is created first as a chosen

01:00:22.460 people. And then in Genesis 1, plants were created on day three before humans on day six. In Genesis

01:00:28.780 2 the man is formed when no plant of the field was yet on earth which he argued that the

01:00:33.880 contradiction genesis 1 creates male and female together in one act genesis 2 creates the man

01:00:40.140 first then later forms the woman from his side the method of creation differs in genesis 1

01:00:45.800 humanity is simply created bara and genesis 2 man is formed yesure from dust given the breath of

01:00:52.820 life in a more detailed and personal way i thought this was interesting i i can see where he's coming

01:00:59.520 from with this but i think it's describing the same thing and the reason i think it's describing

01:01:05.480 the same thing is i think that the story is while a superhumanly accurate description of

01:01:14.040 early evolution for people of that time period it's not perfect it's fuzzy around the edges

01:01:21.240 right like it it is it's and it's not perfect because there was any flaw in the messenger 0.99

01:01:27.500 it's not perfect because this was given to cave jews who simply lacked the ability to 0.95

01:01:34.220 interpret or perfectly capture a more perfect version of this and it was given to them pretty 0.79

01:01:40.580 much every biblical scholar who's like not or believes this is that these stories come from

01:01:45.580 two different traditions and were merged together in a single story later and that they may have

01:01:50.780 even come from two disconnected people now for a techno puritan that has no problem because i'd

01:01:56.460 say well isn't it miraculous that god marks them together and yet they still make sense and predict

01:01:59.880 all of this whereas for some people that's more of a problem to say that but the reason i would

01:02:04.040 say that they have what looks like contradictions is because two separate stories that were the

01:02:09.300 closest thing to true that any human during that period had ever come got stapled together because

01:02:14.140 they were the closest thing to true that any human had ever come and that's why they seem to fit

01:02:18.100 together so well now this so do you think that with like god made like protecting a puritan view

01:02:28.240 the the future police the agents of providence placed this higher potential human set in some

01:02:37.160 kind of sanctuary or not no i do not think he did i think that the garden of eden was a

01:02:45.340 attempt to describe to post you know humans after they had built a society and rules and

01:02:53.160 laws and everything like that what they had done and what they had given up by doing that

01:02:59.320 i do not think that death genuinely i believe that if you go to ancient cavemen i don't think

01:03:07.300 death held the same meaning for them that it held for the first city people i or that it holds for

01:03:13.520 us i think that death can hold meaning for animals we see elements mourn we see dogs mourn

01:03:20.920 we see horses mourn we see neanderthals mourn we see some cavemen mourn but if you look at the

01:03:28.740 death rituals that begin to appear after the first cities they are quite different specifically one

01:03:35.320 of the rituals was the houses would all have like the skulls or bodies of like dead relatives

01:03:41.420 constantly in the room with you mortuary practice is one of the most complex and revealing aspects

01:03:46.880 of chattel work burying some special people beneath the floors and platforms of houses

01:03:51.720 while they were occupied was not unique to chattel work and appears in other neolithic

01:03:56.380 societies across the region death did not necessarily mark the end of a person's social

01:04:01.700 role where this is one of the very very earliest cities where it was you could only enter from

01:04:07.760 above because they hadn't invented the door yet oh yes i remember you showing me pictures of those

01:04:12.420 they look so crazy yeah hadn't invented doors yet hadn't invented doors or windows it was just

01:04:18.480 boxes with a hole in the top that that was a stage of human development but at that stage

01:04:24.900 they were obsessed with death and and we see this obsession with death in the ancient egyptians

01:04:31.500 they had the dead everything they built giant temples to the dead right you had to build an

01:04:37.960 endowment to make sure someone went and left offerings at your thing and prayed for you 0.75

01:04:42.920 after you were dead and to protect your tomb it was so expensive to die back in egypt people

01:04:48.840 complain about it now we have a good yeah people's relationship to death what it meant to die to the

01:04:58.000 average human of this period permanently transformed in human history yeah in ancient

01:05:04.780 egypt ancient china yeah like nowhere no matter where you go once you get once you see civilization

01:05:10.060 you see an obsession with death especially in the early parts of that civilization yes and

01:05:15.300 this is i i think again when i talk about like a story being profoundly predictive

01:05:21.120 a really interesting thing i didn't even think about going into this a another fun one here

01:05:25.880 if we're saying that what's really being talked about here is moral like do you take upon yourself

01:05:30.700 moral agency and responsibility and are you going to be judged by those things by god like do you

01:05:35.200 even have the capacity to do that yourself and somebody could say all humans have the capacity

01:05:39.340 to do that to which i would say well apparently god doesn't think all humans have the capacity

01:05:43.180 to do that like the the two instances in which i'd point out here is saul being punished by god

01:05:49.760 it wasn't like you just waged war during that time period by killing everyone god said no no

01:05:55.140 you can't even be king anymore because you didn't kill everyone like that was a really bad thing to

01:06:00.040 do you were supposed to kill everyone uh which we do another the episode on when did god kills

01:06:06.360 tells us to kill babies tells us about sort of how the moral framework of god works but this this

01:06:10.880 might help us with that is the population that they were supposed to be killed one of the 0.95

01:06:15.420 populations that were like these other homo sapiens of this period that just god didn't even

01:06:20.560 judges having the capacity for moral agency yeah i mean even in exodus god says this a bunch of

01:06:28.240 times when he talks about where the israelites were will settle you know he's like he basically

01:06:34.040 says don't mix with these people don't talk with them about their gods and he doesn't like their

01:06:40.560 gods don't you know just just basically he he creates a great replacement for them he's like

01:06:46.620 you will outbreed them they will diminish in this area and then you're just going to settle in their 0.93

01:06:50.120 lands and it's like the jebusites and the amorites and the then you also mentioned this when you were

01:06:56.260 reading the old testament about your thoughts on all the stuff that happens in egypt we are like 0.51

01:07:01.100 wait why is god being such a dick to the egyptians like yeah pharaoh's heart like pharaoh is like 0.67

01:07:06.960 whoa whoa whoa i'm crying uncle here stop and then god intervenes and makes him change his mind and 0.98

01:07:14.600 then refuse egress to the israelites even though multiple times both of the the advice of his

01:07:21.940 council and personally he really just wants them gone yeah so if you take this perspective god is

01:07:29.900 using to create a a play that's going to be important to future generations a people who 0.98

01:07:36.860 he doesn't care about yeah if you're going to kill all of the force-born sons many of whom are

01:07:43.560 infants and innocent of a population for something where, you know, you could have made it so it

01:07:51.240 didn't have to work out this way, right? The Pharaoh, right? That requires a level of just 0.75

01:07:59.800 sheer antipathy that I would not expect from the God or God in the way that he acts in future

01:08:09.680 parts of the bible for real it's it's like rick and bureaucrats just complete disregard and these

01:08:16.520 people like no my family my children but maybe it's so mean and then i told simone i go but look 0.93

01:08:22.200 at how wicked the egyptians were look at the way that they live virtually everyone in their society 0.78

01:08:25.920 lived the way we would say a slave lives today there was a small group of elite aristocrats 0.95

01:08:30.700 who were constantly cheating on each other stabbing each other in the back doing like the

01:08:35.900 worst things ever worshiping dead people oh incesting all the time and and you could just

01:08:42.080 be like well i mean if you're going to say like what does it look like for a group of people who

01:08:47.760 might not have the true gift of civilization yet to begin to civilize right you might not have

01:08:52.560 whatever gift we're talking about here yet it could look like this and god may relate to them

01:08:59.280 the same way that he relates to puppies right like he doesn't want to kill puppies but he doesn't

01:09:05.940 see the same as like a human child which is because he doesn't believe that they are capable

01:09:12.340 of of even being able to to take moral action like the the i actually think you can see this

01:09:18.980 the fact that god hardens the pharaoh's heart shows that even when the pharaoh was going to

01:09:27.460 do the right thing god didn't care well and he doesn't think it was a moral judgment he think

01:09:33.040 yeah it yeah you're it implies that he's acting reactively to a stimulus he's not making a moral

01:09:40.480 judgment about doing the right thing he's like oh thing hurt locusts suck blood river bad water

01:09:47.420 quality okay get rid of thing whereas the yeah and then i guess you could say it's the same where 0.90

01:09:54.920 god doesn't really care what other people are doing he doesn't care about the jebusites and 0.99

01:10:00.240 the emirates and whoever else and they're stupid gods because their their decisions don't morally 0.99

01:10:05.860 matter but when his people oh they get so excited about worshiping the golden calf then he gets 1.00

01:10:11.960 super mad because their opinions actually matter because their moral judgment is there yeah and

01:10:17.440 aaron's descendants the guy who instigated the whole golden calf thing for real they became the

01:10:23.140 ones who were the only people allowed in the holies of holies in the high priest in the temple 0.87

01:10:28.060 come on man only ones allowed to make sacrifices in the temple they were the cold and calf people 0.94

01:10:33.560 now they also became the majority of the sadducees which didn't believe in the messiah they didn't 0.71

01:10:39.060 believe in an afterlife they didn't believe in angels or demons or anything supernatural

01:10:44.240 in many ways they're they're sort of similar to some techno puritan beliefs but still we're

01:10:50.140 probably closer to like modern christians and jews than we are to them but i found them to be

01:10:55.180 very i find the entire concept of the wailing wall to be interesting because i was like you guys were 0.86

01:11:00.640 a slave race to a people that basically had a different religion and nearly led you away from

01:11:05.880 god right like i don't understand the worshiping of this caste system in judaism i would have

01:11:12.160 dropped it by now or at least not want the temple back because presumably when the temple gets back

01:11:17.580 the descendants of Aaron's are the basically rule over Judea in the way that they did in the past.

01:11:25.060 Now, Judea had a separate king branch, but the temple was the temple. They decided a lot.

01:11:31.180 So does the Bible support this understanding of morality? So if you look at something like James

01:11:34.600 4, 17, so whomever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is a sin.

01:11:41.420 Now note here, what does this imply? It implies that if you lack the capacity to know the right

01:11:46.080 thing to do, you lack the capacity to sin. This is James 4.17. This is in the New Testament.

01:11:55.100 You can't sin. Yeah. You can't sin if you are incapable of knowing right from wrong.

01:12:01.820 Yeah. And I've yet to come across a part of the Bible that does describe

01:12:05.980 outsiders as doing anything sinful, to be fair. Yeah. And then Romans 1.18 through 21,

01:12:13.220 men by their unrighteousness suppress the truth for what can be known about God is plain to them

01:12:19.340 so they are without an excuse here Paul prescribes people who have the moral and theological

01:12:24.620 knowledge available to them but actively suppress it you could say those who refuse to acknowledge

01:12:29.320 and live by the knowledge of good and evil are suppressing the very thing that constitutes full 0.94

01:12:33.920 humanity and then for Romans 2 14 15 for when Gentiles who do not know the law by nature do 0.87

01:12:42.000 what the law requires they show that the work of the law is written of their hearts while their 0.66

01:12:47.980 consciousness also bears witness so here it's it's talking about how you can be a moral gentile

01:12:53.760 right like obviously the big thing was christ it's like this civilizational context should be

01:12:58.960 exported to other people right like it's it's not just the jews thing but also jews before this

01:13:03.500 period thought that you can see our video the question that breaks judaism where we go into

01:13:07.100 this jews believing that judaism should only be matrilineally descendant is a phenomenon that

01:13:13.900 started basically in response to christianity growing so quickly and being a form of judaism

01:13:19.780 now jews don't consider it a form of but it is a form of judaism i actually decided to look this

01:13:23.320 up to see if jews like how they deal with this and apparently they made up a bunch of traditions

01:13:28.260 later about how it wasn't really aaron's fault and he was really just stalling for time and he

01:13:34.500 was embarrassed about it so it was okay which is kind of wild rather than just being like nope

01:13:40.860 these people probably shouldn't be leading us and lording over us as if they are a completely

01:13:46.760 different species but okay then related supporting ideas in deuteronomy 131 and isaiah 7 15 16

01:13:53.580 speak of children who do not yet know good from evil this implies that knowing good and evil is

01:14:00.120 the developmental threshold of maturity and full agency and that but even infants know good from

01:14:05.420 evil this is this has been studied in scientific research that they they react to people making

01:14:11.120 immoral choices well i i suspect that there's likely a gradient sure is that and in hebrews

01:14:17.540 5 14 links maturity to be the ability to distinguish good from evil so i think i i actually

01:14:23.700 do not like the strong version of this so i'm gonna be clear here the strong version is

01:14:29.780 that there actually needs to be a genetic link to Eve for a civilization to arise that that's

01:14:37.500 a strong version I don't like it I'm not going to say it's not true I don't like it because it's

01:14:41.940 it doesn't I don't think it's necessary massively problematic and unnecessary it's like an

01:14:46.140 influential power family having a lot of cultural influence it's not like everyone has to be

01:14:51.200 genetically related to be affected by a family that is prolific that has very influential kids

01:14:57.360 and whose kids, you know, marry and have a lot of kids in turn.

01:15:01.560 You know, that's, it's not necessary.

01:15:03.640 I do really like the second version, the weaker version of this,

01:15:07.420 which is still very strong,

01:15:08.520 which is to say that God only really cares about the sinning of people

01:15:16.040 and only sees people as man or living man

01:15:18.720 if they have the capacity to exercise moral agency

01:15:22.920 and not all humans do.

01:15:24.900 And this, I think, really works

01:15:26.820 when you look at the term he was stricken from the book of life or the concept of being stricken

01:15:30.640 from the book of life to be stricken from the kinds of entities that god cares about because

01:15:35.680 they're clearly still alive it doesn't mean they immediately die it means they are no longer in

01:15:40.660 the category that god considers a living man and that he just doesn't seem to care much about

01:15:45.820 killing people who lack that capacity throughout the old testament and the question doesn't even

01:15:50.880 define them as people doesn't even define them as people they're they're set pieces for his wider

01:15:56.200 story. And that actually fixes a lot of the problems with the changing moral nature of God

01:16:05.320 from the perspective of some people. Like, why is he so harsh here, here, and here in the Old

01:16:09.500 Testament, but so loving here, here, here in the New Testament? And it's because the type of people

01:16:15.840 that God considers people were just way more common during the period of the New Testament

01:16:20.300 to the point where they were most of the people that Jesus would have interacted with. And on

01:16:24.840 today, the question is, is have we devolved civilizationally since then? And there are

01:16:31.280 more NPCs who are acting without thinking about anything or have we developed? I think that's to

01:16:37.200 each individual to judge, but I also would agree. That's a scary question. Oh my gosh.

01:16:43.440 Person hasn't taken responsibility for their moral agency that I don't have a duty to view them

01:16:51.620 in the same way I do somebody who has taken responsibility for their moral agency.

01:16:56.680 And that's a spicy thing in the age that we live in today. And it's one of the reasons why

01:17:01.060 I care so little. And is it reinforced for me about the populations that are wiping out of

01:17:06.620 the gene pool simply because they can't motivate themselves to pay to the future,

01:17:10.220 the debt they owe the past and have kids. They can't motivate themselves to care for

01:17:13.600 the next generation. Well, good on them, right? Like maybe this is the last period of time where

01:17:20.960 God is wiping out like the second Noah's flood, I've often considered this a mirror to that. Maybe 0.61

01:17:26.200 the flood was meant to wipe out the majority of this kind of homo sapien that God didn't like 0.91

01:17:31.440 very much. And that this period, this is the second flood where he said he would never wipe

01:17:38.080 it out with water again. And so what a lot of people think is, oh, the next one would be with

01:17:43.860 fire, right? And that he did it with an inversion of fire, having people throw their lives into the

01:17:50.180 bonfire of their own vanities sort of like a pied piper oh i love that i love the idea of

01:17:56.980 the rise of tech and ai being the next flood i think it's a super rich idea well we've talked

01:18:05.060 about it in other tracks it was the thesis of one of the tracks oh i know i know it's the oh gosh

01:18:09.240 i'm so it's like number two or it's this is actually you call it the the truck you don't

01:18:14.480 you don't call it fertility collapses it's great but yeah i know it's it's one of the gauntlet no

01:18:19.860 what do you call it you call it a thing the trial of the lotus eaters the trial of the lotus eaters

01:18:24.280 yeah but that is that is just the next biblical flood that people have to overcome interesting

01:18:29.460 yeah but it's a flood that is infinitely kinder than the last flood yes it is god's giving people

01:18:36.820 every out you can play the game of civilization align yourself with the groups that are going to

01:18:42.100 exist in the future do what you can to make the faction of humanity that's going to survive

01:18:46.160 flourish maximally and participate either memetically or memetically and genetically

01:18:50.620 in the next generation yeah or throw yourself in the bonfire of your own vanity quiet comfortable

01:18:57.720 death well i don't know about that it feels like one at first until you begin screaming at the sky

01:19:05.100 it's gdc and you know it it seems to really burn away these individual souls in a way that that

01:19:11.460 appears to psychologically torment them look at look at the game developer conference yeah they

01:19:16.800 all walked outside and screamed at the sky to vent their their anger a bunch of this isn't some

01:19:21.940 metaphorical this is a historical event that happened yes okay they're there they then it's

01:19:28.700 not just that it's it's look at the depression rates among people who sure yeah look at the

01:19:34.220 rates of unaliving look at the rates of like clearly it may feel at first like a heroin

01:19:40.600 addiction like it's good but it doesn't feel good for law right all we can do is say come on

01:19:47.560 please you know exercise restraint you don't need to do whatever turns you on you know you don't

01:19:52.420 need to go to the bug zappers like hey buddy stop stop that's a bug zapper we've done our

01:19:58.180 role civilizationally we warned people about the bug zapper they're still walking into it

01:20:03.340 and the future of humanity will be brighter because of that and perhaps the flood story

01:20:09.240 and I've often thought about this, it's both describing a real event, but was bent to be

01:20:15.460 a mirror for us, for humans today, to learn why it's important to save a diverse population of

01:20:22.220 humanity and not just only your own people. And I take it to be an allegory for that within a

01:20:29.360 modern context. We right now are creating the arc for humanity and we should try to save whoever

01:20:34.800 wants to partner with us in good faith right like the last time it was animals this time it's the

01:20:42.460 real oh i really i'm excited now in the old testament this is freaking weird it's so weird

01:20:48.340 all right well i love you i love you too i will go get the children we gotta reheat rice today

01:20:55.060 yes and then nachos unless you want to save that for when the film crew's here nachos

01:21:02.000 we should make it when the film crew is here yeah how many days is that it's the day after

01:21:09.760 tomorrow so there's not you don't have to wait that long okay you sound so distressed by this

01:21:19.020 look we have a lot of other delicious options for you to enjoy in the interim i love you i love you

01:21:26.300 too well i'm sorry i'm sorry for i'm look you don't understand like i think the cumulative

01:21:33.100 amount of progesterone in my system right now is insane and it causes immense drowsiness

01:21:38.820 and we at least all the time you like this you like the theory by the way

01:21:45.080 i know i i'm looking at this so differently now and you know there's a lot of things that i

01:21:52.920 contemplated and went through this morning that had me really questioning the humanity of a lot

01:21:57.780 of humans she was going through the way many Native American tribes actually lived in the

01:22:01.700 in the horrors that they committed learning some stuff that even I didn't know like the trail of 0.57

01:22:06.760 tears was as bad as it was because they gave the contracts for it to the Cherokee chief largely

01:22:13.420 wandered hundreds of thousands of dollars so that it had to be carried out in subpar conditions

01:22:18.520 because he was lining his family's pockets yeah that well i mean but per what i understand is

01:22:23.880 the contracts were like up for bids and many of them went to siblings of the chief and those

01:22:31.480 siblings could it probably pockets and did not put as much money into good wagons and good medical

01:22:38.080 care and food and supplies and so these people were ill-equipped it's like the government giving

01:22:45.000 money to fema or something and they all just line their pockets and don't help people in the

01:22:48.500 actual disaster and so it could have gone way better i mean i'd be really interested i it'd

01:22:55.200 be interesting to go through and see if the outcomes of the settlements that were managed by

01:23:00.940 non-cherokee and non-family member we'll say even like just white people like westerners or sorry 0.57

01:23:07.620 did better than the ones managed by yeah like if they had lower death rates very interesting that

01:23:11.680 would be future episode topic yeah i don't know if the data is out there though because it would

01:23:17.680 be such a bad look that i could imagine a lot of people just figuring out some way to completely

01:23:22.100 bury it because clearly especially in the 1960s a whole lot of just erasing took place where it's

01:23:29.760 like no no no like the indigenous americans were mostly peaceful they didn't do anything what are

01:23:34.720 we talking about they were just nice what was the what was the one that got to you so much you

01:23:39.860 didn't tell me about it it was the account of a woman whose settlement was attacked and her

01:23:45.360 husband and most of the other family was killed on site but she pregnant was taken hostage or

01:23:52.240 taken as a slave she had the baby and then trigger warning for anyone who's really sensitive because

01:23:59.040 I cried for 30 minutes after hearing this account before can you put a trigger warning into this 0.98

01:24:03.940 episode for the the women of you put the trigger warning in did I don't know if that was enough of 0.95

01:24:11.040 a warning because I didn't listen to that other guy like maybe just a little Malcolm being like

01:24:14.600 no really every time simone brings this up she cries uncontrollably and you really probably don't

01:24:19.060 want to be doing this if you're i'll just move what you're saying here in front of this okay

01:24:22.800 yeah thank you because yeah then they can see my yeah which she had i guess she eventually

01:24:29.220 got out and and and saved like she survived and then wrote about it but like maybe seven weeks

01:24:36.180 after she had this baby the guy who was i guess her like a slave owner decided that she wasn't

01:24:42.960 working enough because she kept nursing her kid so he and a bunch of people walk up to her while

01:24:48.100 she's nursing her baby grab the baby from her okay no more story no more story it's over everyone 0.57

01:24:54.480 much worse than that malcolm it gets so much worse than that because the baby didn't die that time 0.72

01:25:02.400 the question is is i think that these stories are hidden from us so we can have the perspective

01:25:11.140 that everyone was sort of the same no i have to say this to you after this then they tied a rope

01:25:16.720 around the baby's neck and they flung the baby into a field of cactuses and dragged it through

01:25:22.180 the field of cactuses and kept doing it the baby was still alive and they kept doing it to the baby 0.76

01:25:27.600 and these people didn't have moral agency like maybe we're right here look at what the mayans

01:25:33.720 did look at what the aztecs did look at the way that they acted maybe maybe this is all more right

01:25:39.720 maybe the hard version is righter than i want to say

01:25:42.580 that's that's horrible that is horrible and there's nothing i can do about it

01:25:51.700 no what we can do is for the future what we can do is build a future

01:25:56.560 where one day this woman and her baby can be brought back and live perfect lives that can 0.87

01:26:04.800 be done with enough technology that can be done okay i just want them to be together again but

01:26:11.000 that requires that would happen to anyone ever is that requires our people living but then keep in

01:26:19.780 mind this wasn't just like what they did to westerners or europeans like you could say well 0.89

01:26:24.160 it was reactive you know this is like this is why the palestinians did this to people in israel 0.77

01:26:28.560 they were just reacting but they did this to their own people they did this to other neighboring 0.82

01:26:33.220 tribes this isn't like this is just what they did when they weren't happy about something and they

01:26:38.620 did it to each other for hundreds of years it's well documented before westerners ever came to

01:26:44.240 the united states so just like by the way i want to read about my you want you want to read about

01:26:49.260 mayan sacrifice oh i know i read i read about it as a kid and that yeah no it was better that you

01:26:53.980 know they were alive and or the comanche they're no the command no i know i know i know there were

01:26:59.320 so many details in that video i i need they yeah they don't teach you that in history class and it

01:27:06.640 just they don't teach you that because they want to to hide from you the reality of the world and

01:27:11.680 the importance of civilization this is this is why it's so important that we maintain civilization

01:27:17.340 and and push it further and help everyone who can rise above because we can't you can't give

01:27:24.740 people the capacity for so much suffering i understand the impetus to assign every group

01:27:32.020 equal moral agency but the reality is is that you know as well as i do that if you saw something

01:27:39.240 like this happening if you saw something like the types of torture that were common in parts of the

01:27:45.240 ancient ages like the brazen bull where they would roast someone inside of a statue alive

01:27:49.620 or the types of things that happened in Egypt

01:27:52.340 or the types of sacrifices that the Mayans or the Aztecs did,

01:27:56.780 you wouldn't stand for it.

01:27:58.160 You'd be like, well, this is obviously the most evil thing

01:28:01.480 I have ever seen in my entire life.

01:28:03.820 And to say that people who did stand for this

01:28:07.540 were the moral equivalents of the types of cultures

01:28:11.660 that don't do stuff like this or are the same as them.

01:28:15.700 And this is increasingly obvious to me when I look at my kids.

01:28:18.500 right like i see how much of my personality my kids have i see how much of a sense of justice

01:28:24.480 they have even at a young age and i look at that and i contrast it with other people where you

01:28:29.640 could create an entire society without that sense of justice that group is not the same as a group

01:28:37.420 who says don't torture babies to death regularly intergenerationally and obviously there was a

01:28:43.440 point in history where my own people did this as well like like this is not a genetic thing i set

01:28:48.120 myself apart from if you look at british history if you look at stonehenge we have human sacrifices

01:28:53.320 you have in british history they would sacrifice children to put under bridges to keep them stable

01:28:58.460 or to put under houses to keep them stable like that's a horrifying thing and yet we know it was

01:29:03.940 a common practice in specific regions and i would remove the category of human from the types of

01:29:10.080 people who would do that that to me is a truly evil thing and what i find disgusting about the

01:29:16.820 modern times is that we force ourselves to say every homo sapien the ones who grave children

01:29:22.780 the ones who murder kids the ones who torture people for no reason they are all the same

01:29:28.040 and i'd say even including my own ancestors no they are not no no here i think and i believe

01:29:34.180 this very fully that any homo sapien can be brought into the category of homo sapiens that

01:29:38.820 have agency they can be brought into it by bringing them in to the civilizational process

01:29:44.280 That said, we need to understand that uncivilized homo sapiens, the people who I think that God

01:29:51.220 considered not living humans, they're worse than animals because they're smart enough to inflict

01:29:57.480 not only harm or death, but to inflict untold levels of suffering. That's what's so scary

01:30:04.720 about uncivilized humans. They're worse than any animal you can imagine. And I think when God 0.77

01:30:11.040 punished saul and said to saul you didn't kill them all you're being punished for this you're

01:30:16.600 being removed from your kingship this is an understanding of how god wants us to relate

01:30:22.860 to uncivilized people yeah like this is there are groups that will murder their own babies

01:30:30.920 there are groups that will grape their own daughters and sell them into and they still

01:30:35.700 exist on earth today and the the that's the thing is like when you hear what happened on October 7th

01:30:42.360 like this still happens yeah and it just makes me so motivated I mean like yeah bring bring the

01:30:55.340 next flood make it as humane as possible but like this is what dark pernatalism is this is like no

01:31:01.380 burn it there there is there are people who should not be there in the future

01:31:05.580 there are 100 people should not be there in the future

01:31:08.500 and simone yeah with enough technology we can fix this we can create eventually a simulation

01:31:20.160 for that woman and her infant no i know and there's there's also like me allowing myself

01:31:25.520 to get emotional about it is not going to make anything better the only thing we could possibly

01:31:29.080 do is create a better future it just it is as real as any real that anyone could ever experience

01:31:34.680 within the world that we have today yeah anyway this is yeah i've been like trying to suppress

01:31:39.460 this you see why i cried for like 30 minutes after i heard that and was like god i mean he

01:31:43.860 gave a trigger warning i mean he couldn't say trigger warning because he's like conservative

01:31:47.440 but he's like children may not want to i should have listened but maybe i shouldn't have like

01:31:52.900 it's i think it's important to know no i think that you often forget the genuinely

01:31:58.260 capacity for the capacity for evil yeah of uncivilized yeah i think that's the thing and

01:32:04.040 i think that's why that's why there are floods they are the most dangerous animal on earth

01:32:09.820 yes they are apex predators and without civilization they can do untold damage like 0.98

01:32:14.480 there there's a very thin line between reavers and between a gay space communism there there's 0.92

01:32:21.720 a very thin line well keep in mind you're talking about our people right like the the reavers you

01:32:27.180 now understand she read these three things i go oh i understand why the backwoods people were so

01:32:31.700 no for real yeah why they were like wouldn't befriend them and no they were harsh with

01:32:35.920 the indians who wouldn't befriend them yeah and they like married the other ones so like

01:32:39.300 yeah this isn't about like what you're born as this is about what you're going to do anyway i 0.85

01:32:45.960 have to get i have to get the kids but i at least that's off my chest but now it's back in it i'm

01:32:50.180 just gonna cry my way to the creek until i see the kids playing and then they're gonna be

01:32:53.300 i'll cheer me up the point sorry guys is the belief that we can fix all of this one day

01:33:00.880 okay thanks bye

01:33:02.740 so indy you want to jump on me because he saw i take you do it 1.00

01:33:09.460 okay so you went on top of daddy 0.99

01:33:15.140 okay okay okay i'll put him down and then you can get on me okay 0.97

01:33:21.020 No! No! No! 1.00

01:33:25.360 What happened? Mommy, you have to take a picture with me on Daddy.

01:33:32.100 I did. And a scream shot. Are you happy, Indy? 1.00

01:33:37.600 And use it. She's making the weirdest face. 1.00

01:33:41.400 Use the picture with me on you for a title card.

01:33:44.560 Oh, are you doing that because you talked to Indy?

01:33:45.620 For a title card?

01:33:46.780 Yeah.

01:33:47.160 Or as you call it, a scream shot?

01:33:49.180 a screenshot

01:33:50.780 a screenshot is that a technical term

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