00:00:00.000Hello, Malcolm. I'm so excited to be speaking with you today because we are going to be speaking
00:00:05.660about men abandoning women on their hikes in this new trend. That's hilarious. Which is actually1.00
00:00:13.980not so new, called Alpine Divorce. The term actually comes from an old book like written
00:00:19.740in the 1840s or 60s about a man, a story about a man who was going to take his wife on an Alpine
00:00:27.000hike uh and then uh you know she would conveniently tragically die on the hike uh and he'd be fine
00:00:33.040but instead at the at the summit of the mountain or whatever his his wife tells him that um no
00:00:39.080joke's on him because she has called the police and said that she's been murdered or she's going
00:00:43.060to be murdered by her husband and then she she jumps off the car like minutes before the police
00:00:48.100arrived that she called or something so that's that's where this name came from um and now we're
00:00:53.780gonna see what people think alpine divorce is now um wait so what what what did it used to be you
00:00:59.400said minutes before the police she called about she jumped off the mountain so it was a it was
00:01:06.380a reverse double trick you see oh she said i'm gonna do an alpine divorce and no i think it's
00:01:12.640a book called alpine divorce um that's where the term comes from oh people are calling this trend
00:01:18.260alpine divorce so it's about it's a book about a lady unaliving yeah but in revenge for her0.96
00:01:24.920husband who planned on murdering her anyway so that doesn't sound very revengey look women be
00:01:33.080weird okay and that's really what this is about i saw a couple of days ago and this is a it's a
00:01:38.400trending article by the guardian um about this trend of men abandoning women on their hiking
00:01:45.840trips. I'm going to read a little bit of it, not all of it. I think it's very amusing.
00:01:51.340On social media, women describe Alpine divorce as going on a hike, climb, or other outdoor adventure
00:01:56.800with a male partner only to be abandoned or left behind. Perhaps he went too fast and neglected to
00:02:02.500wait, or a fight on the trail resulted in him storming off. Breakups have quickly followed.
00:02:07.700In a TikTok with more than 4.2 million likes, a woman bawls as she takes shaky steps down a rock
00:02:14.280formation he left me by myself i should have never come with him sobs the woman who did not
00:02:20.520respond to a request for comment others flooded the comments women in the woods die for man they
00:02:26.280desperately want men in the oh oh a man or a bear in the woods the moment you leave them alone
00:02:32.900how dare he actually what's really funny is in some of the social media commentary on this very
00:02:38.320trend they're like this is exactly why i would choose the bear oh you don't want the man there
00:02:44.140so much that's why you would choose the bear no they no they would choose the bear because you
00:02:48.260can't depend on the man is is their conclusion that men are so unreliable they'll just abandon
00:02:52.800you i would prefer a bear a bear is predictable okay go go into this more and go into this
00:02:59.160others flooded the comments section with stories about being served with an alpine divorce
00:03:03.760one woman described a 12-hour journey out of the grand canyon after her boyfriend ditched her
00:03:08.880during which she was assisted by quote a very nice man from norway end quote who carried her
00:03:13.840backpack another described getting lost in the woods after a man left her behind and immediately
00:03:17.960blocking his number once she got home there's that male ego element of it's not necessarily evil but
00:03:24.500it usually has a negative effect on the partner many of the women described having some level
00:03:29.040of dependence on their partner in nature they may not have been carrying the right supplies or
00:03:33.140enough water or were not familiar with the terrain making them feel vulnerable it's such a common
00:03:38.360what i'm really hearing here is they would go hiking with men that were carrying more than
00:03:43.940their share of supplies that were doing more than their share of the work and all of a sudden they
00:03:49.100have to just manage themselves and they can't do it spoilers malcolm but hmm it's such a common
00:03:59.380thing says julie ellison the first female editor-in-chief of climbing magazine who now
00:04:04.660works as an outdoor lifestyle photographer she has heard quote so many stories end quote about
00:04:10.260men fumbling outdoor dates there's that male ego element to it that's not necessarily evil or
00:04:15.520ill-intentioned but it usually has a negative effect on the partner who's being left behind
00:04:19.120end quote a recent case study illustrates this point last month an amateur austrian mountaineer
00:04:25.480was found guilty of gross negligence manslaughter for leaving his exhausted girlfriend behind on
00:04:30.900his country's highest peak, while he went in search of help. The man, a Salzburg chief identified only
00:04:36.760as Thomas P., said he was endlessly sorry for her death, and his lawyer called it a tragic accident.
00:04:42.920But Thomas P. could not explain why he failed to wrap his freezing girlfriend in her emergency
00:04:47.220blanket before heading down the mountain without her, because apparently she wasn't capable.
00:04:52.360Anyway, earlier in their trek, he had also told the police officer over the phone that they did
00:04:56.900not need any help even though a rescue helicopter was made available to them a former girlfriend
00:05:01.680testified that thomas p had left her behind on a trail during a hike in 2023 quote so that was
00:05:07.580the last mountain expedition we undertook together she said outdoor culture romanticized they kept
00:05:12.940dating that's interesting well i mean clearly they didn't stay long enough together for you
00:05:21.420know because there was another girlfriend and then she died um but you know wait what yeah
00:05:27.320thomas p abandoned his girlfriend on the highest peak in austria oh and then she died yes that's
00:05:34.060i just read a whole paragraph about how he was just found guilty of gross negligence because he
00:05:38.080abandoned her do we have reasons why these men keep abandoning these women are they literally
00:05:44.140when these men are their lifelines being that annoying on mountains one wonders one wonders
00:05:50.600I will read those just a little bit more.
00:05:55.460Outdoor culture romanticizes, pushing your limits and flexing endurance.
00:05:59.360Folk heroes have been made out of rugged men such as Timothy Treadwell, the environmentalist who was mauled by the grizzly bears he lived alongside,
00:06:06.420or Christopher McCandless, who eschewed society to live alone and in the wild and later died of starvation.
00:06:13.260quote there's endless and there's this emphasis on strength independence and stoicism that's
00:06:18.580really embedded in the way males are taught to prioritize character traits said doriel jakov
00:06:23.960a new york-based therapist who specializes in relationship patterns quote masculinity seems
00:06:29.080to play a role in how alpine divorce manifests in real life a man walking 100 feet ahead of his
00:06:34.660girlfriend because he can't be bothered to wait for her is bad manners but failing to properly
00:06:39.400care for someone in an environment they're not prepared to handle alone can cause real harm
00:06:43.780quote i can't see how leaving someone in a highly unsafe position wouldn't qualify as an abusive
00:06:49.300dynamic especially if the man is aware to some degree that that's not that that's what they're
00:06:53.520doing says jock of naomi 46 an educator and member of the wine hiking society that sounds like a
00:07:00.700really bad combination i i that does sound like a terrible combination i can't pick that up the
00:07:06.820first time i read this i this is a funny thing like everybody knows that you know if beer and
00:07:18.020and hunting and beer and fishing go together each of you youngins take a gun a beer and some smokes0.97
00:07:24.920hey i'll blow your freaking head off hey look out son that's dangerous you're gonna spill your beer0.96
00:07:31.200but the moment i hear wine and hiking wine for some reason my brain is immediately but if you're0.99
00:07:36.220like let's have beer and go hunting i'd be like yeah of course yeah uh you know but um that's
00:07:42.380because i associate women with wine maybe um or wine moms wine yeah anyway wine hiking society
00:07:49.700a community organization for women that promotes outdoor exploration and socialization
00:07:55.100was not surprised when she saw a discussion of alpine divorce on tiktok quote it feels like
00:08:01.180another version of a me too story to me she said my response is like well of course this happens
00:08:06.760about 20 years ago naomi hit the desert peak an 11 000 36 foot mountain close to her home in salt
00:08:14.380lake city with two friends another woman and a man who she had a close but not romantic relationship
00:08:19.380with on the way up naomi started to feel disoriented possibly from altitude sickness
00:08:23.480but the man who was chasing the goal of hiking the highest peak in every county in utah
00:08:27.540did not want to stop naomi requested use of only her first name for the sake of privacy
00:08:32.180the man and the woman left naomi on the way up she knew that they would not come back for her
00:08:36.700because the trail was a loop and she feared she would pass out i felt like i had to crawl on my
00:08:41.100hands and knees and i finally made it to the top naomi eventually stopped hiking with the man
00:08:45.700i realized at some point that every bad thing that would happen to me outside
00:08:49.940he was the common denominator she said well maybe you don't go outside you're not with him0.98
00:08:56.380it sounds like it does sound like that and what was she said she was on her knees doing what she
00:09:01.640was like crawling up the mountain i would find myself in sketchy situations that were way outside
00:09:06.100my comfort zone which is often a theme in these stories of either being left behind or pushing0.74
00:09:11.020yourself beyond your limit these are just women who don't hike i think and you're gonna see i think
00:09:15.200there's a connection here a few a few years ago these are women who want guys that are out of0.98
00:09:19.860their leagues and fit and they're like desperately climbing their way up mountains trying to impress0.98
00:09:24.440it's very you know the parent trap um you know there's there's the the rich girlfriend and the
00:09:29.660hiking disaster where she like puts on her like this is very like actually very apropos she puts0.86
00:09:35.060on her like sexy influencer hiking outfit and they all go hiking and she cannot handle it that is
00:09:40.300what this is for sure um it's the parent trap all over again what's going on here's what's going on
00:09:46.640buddy second one obviously that's the best one lindsey lohan she was great she was great um
00:09:52.980and her new face is fantastic anyway um a few years ago Naomi was hiking in Arches National
00:09:58.880Park in Utah when her group noticed a woman lying on the ground in distress lying on the ground
00:10:03.440the woman told them she she suffered from severe vertigo not ideal given the park's topography
00:10:08.860and her date had gone to retrieve his camera after she accidentally dropped it into the bowl
00:10:13.460near the delicate arch quote there was no way she was getting out of her by getting out of there by
00:10:18.100herself and we hiked with her back down the trailhead naomi said on the way they learned
00:10:22.960that she was quote on a second date or a third date with the man we were asking her so this might
00:10:29.620be the last date huh um but anyway yeah i would probably leave my date if they lied down on the
00:10:36.800ground and dropped my expensive camera inside a very difficult to access natural depression1.00
00:10:43.340wait why did she lie down on the ground because she suffered from severe vertigo0.91
00:10:49.840she she was scared of heights which you can relate to i can relate to that but then don't
00:10:56.120go hiking i've never seen you bamf out of a place as fast as that one water slide
00:11:01.680the one where they just like drop you you've forced me on dangerous hikes before i know
00:11:08.500exactly what this is like it's true you came this close to alpine divorcing me no i came this close
00:11:16.480to alpine like literally the original alpine divorce don't you remember how i almost died
00:11:21.220yes because i freaking tell you that's why we don't hike anymore because i said you're gonna
00:11:25.340die simone yeah and it wasn't because like of a lack of stamina it's because i'm very clumsy and
00:11:31.640i was standing right next to you because i don't suffer from severe vertigo by the way if we're
00:11:35.840talking about sinful behavior i consider hiking like super sinful um it is way too easy to die
00:11:43.160while hiking not yeah all hiking like if you're in a general whatever place but if you're doing
00:11:48.380the type of hiking where if you slip it means you die like what a selfish thing to do well and0.66
00:11:53.320actually so i'm going to send you to the the og of this this tiktok of the woman that went viral
00:11:58.660the the guardian articles she had like said she had four million views it now has like over five1.00
00:12:03.700million views watch this and you'll see just how irresponsible and sinful she's being because1.00
00:12:07.980she's literally holding her camera and like crying as she's like going down a fairly difficult to1.00
00:12:16.240navigate section of rocky terrain and like lady please don't you gotta the way you gotta die0.91
00:16:19.320And also, a lot of people die in national parks every year, like just USA national parks.
00:16:28.160But even though men and women visit them at about the same rate, guess who dies a lot more?
00:16:36.580Really? Do women die more in parks than men?
00:16:38.300No, around 80 plus percent of the people who die in national parks, even though men and women visit at the same rates, are men.
00:16:45.440So I think men are also just way more likely to be super reckless in national parks. And like, yeah, maybe also like don't don't trust a man to like calibrate properly because men are also way more likely to end up scrubbing out themselves in the middle of some kind of nature adventure.
00:17:04.780it's just not it's not the best idea but what's really interesting to me about this is the sister
00:17:12.380movement of female solo travel and especially this 22 year old named cameron renee who also
00:17:19.880goes as the pct princess um who went viral while allegedly solo hiking through the pacific crest
00:17:28.340trail and uh she has said that she funds her trip through only fans and i 100 believe it and you'll
00:17:36.180understand why um ironically though her non-only fans instagram where she has 298 000 followers
00:17:44.520um actually influences a lot of young women to get into solo hiking and camping
00:17:51.440um and a lot of it's because she'll post her her backpacking hiking routine and she gets it up in0.93
00:18:00.340the morning in her little pink tent and she puts on her tiny little skin tight shirt without her
00:18:05.040bra on and her tiny little skin tight mini skirt she does her makeup and she does her nails and
00:18:11.980so women see this and they think i want that um yeah look okay so like um on a recent post like
00:18:20.180her second to most recent post where which includes photos of her by the way wearing a1.00
00:18:25.520skin tight white shirt with no bra that if i just like photoshop colored it like skin color1.00
00:18:33.420she would look naked like i can see everything i can see everything and those the shirt says1.00
00:18:40.200i heart books and sex with a little frog on it and so cute um and the comments on it i thought
00:18:47.920would just be like only from her male only fans followers i was like well clearly like this account0.98
00:18:52.540can only be followed no it is one when i clicked over to her account two of the female accounts0.99
00:18:57.580that i follow on instagram were following her probably i mean i'm assuming unironically also1.00
00:19:02.960um the uh the the youtuber like social commentator burry dishanel also did a whole video on her and0.73
00:19:10.580talked about how she has uh encouraged her to get out more so this woman is influencing other women
00:19:17.300to solo travel um and so i'm looking at the comments of this like clearly only fans bait
00:19:23.800photo post and we have lauren shannon saying how is this diva hiking the entire pct trail and
00:19:30.580looking so cute while doing it i would look endlessly ugly and ocean peaches says not trying
00:19:36.440to be weird but it genuinely must feel so nice to hike without a bra on like they're not getting it
00:19:43.120Um, Ginny Nicholas says, I have so many questions about your adventures.
00:20:03.080Meanwhile, Brouille Deschanel, um, says that she surfaced a lot of conjecture on the lore
00:20:08.900of this this creator um that a lot of people think she's not actually hiking the trail that
00:20:14.080she's staying in a motel at night that she is a man with her the whole time who's also helping
00:20:17.600her film things um so this may not even be what a lot of people think it is and also there are
00:20:23.540totally like her male audience on instagram like um hetero mation precariat says i too love books
00:20:33.060and sex however books are easier to come upon i'll just leave you with that um anyway who
00:20:41.600who wrote that where that's one of the comments on her look i'm gonna send you1.00
00:20:45.880for just go here's her instagram and you can tell me if you i'm just so surprised that that women0.95
00:20:53.880follow this um because it honestly made me a little uncomfortable i was like oh girl like0.93
00:21:00.000are you safe out there um and also like this is extremely explicit for like instagram maybe i'm on
00:21:07.040the wrong part of instagram all my stuff's like recipes and um seasonal stuff so look at her
00:21:13.060second post and look at her shirt okay i'll look at her second post okay the i love books oh and sex0.99
00:21:19.240and you can see everything and then yeah makes a stupid face why would anybody make that face0.99
00:21:26.960And then she has another photo of an ant on her hand intermixed with photos of her, her, her headlights blinking brightly through a yellow lace lined shirt.1.00
00:21:44.560Doesn't it make you feel gross looking at it?1.00
00:21:46.240But like women are following this.1.00
00:21:47.980Look, if you look like a couple posts over, it's like her lying down provocatively on her, her little yellow sleeping bag on top of her pink tarp.0.92
00:21:56.720it's very and i'm not gonna ask you to get married and have kids like she's 22 years old
00:22:03.160um you know that's you know that's a little baby for like our time but obviously it's a great time
00:22:08.140to get married anyway um when if you were to watch her videos what's also kind of creepy about it is
00:22:13.460she does everything in a sexy baby voice and kind of acts like this like like a little girl and it
00:22:19.440is actually quite dangerous as a solo female hiking in isolated areas to travel like this
00:22:27.500because you don't know who's out there. I mean, I'm sure she keeps pepper spray with her and1.00
00:22:31.800probably bear spray. I don't know if that trail has bears on it, but I would keep bear spray with
00:22:36.580me anyway. But like, that's not it's not it's not it is very risky to travel alone, especially in
00:22:46.680wilderness where no one can hear you scream presumably dressed like a prostitute dressed
00:22:52.760like a well dressed like bait as you would say no like literally dressed like bait um and i'm sure
00:22:59.420she like delays her posts and stuff but now she's inspiring other young women to go out and hike
00:23:05.060this trail um well this girl should want to meet a bear rather than a man in the woods right you
00:23:11.900yeah no honestly like i hope she finds the bear uh not the man not the man um very concerned
00:23:19.160i really do hope she she travels with a man but there there is a ton of um sort of reactionary
00:23:31.260content to the alpine divorce discussion that's taking place the discourse um like one woman on
00:23:39.900tiktok um instead text or like made a video where she put the text over it saying pov you refuse to
00:23:48.400be the victim of alpine divorce in which she films herself with her boyfriend on a leash1.00
00:23:53.720on a hiking trail so some women are like1.00
00:23:56.740well i have control over my boyfriend whereas other women1.00
00:24:09.440are just going solo saying they hope they find the bear and then also like low-key1.00
00:24:16.580still still basically using men to support their travel but by posting sexy photos and while i i
00:24:26.340did find some other really prominent female solo travel influencers they don't seem to have only
00:24:32.480fans i did create just for this an only fans account and searched hiking and lo and behold
00:24:38.000there is a ton of hiking content we've got didn't you create your only fans account in another
00:24:42.800episode oh god how many only fans accounts do i have now this is unfortunate i think i might
00:24:47.420have deleted it so that's why i had to do it isla moon um who's swimming in the jungle and we have
00:24:53.100tiffany time who kicks off her iceland adventures oh my god they're all wearing like no bra and a
00:25:01.440tight white t-shirt um exploring point doom exploring beautiful british columbia they look0.69
00:25:08.880like travel shows but like with tits it's it's actually quite funny um but yeah i just find it
00:25:14.640very ironic that we have this world in which men are abandoning women on hiking trails but also0.84
00:25:22.280then women are like going out there and like managing to combine essentially forms of
00:25:28.280prostitution i guess you could argue um with hiking by themselves putting themselves at
00:25:33.880non-trivial risk doing so uh it's i think we need to yeah i think society maybe needs some
00:25:44.080adjustment i i just find this very interesting um and i would i would encourage people
00:25:50.580to not to not hike uh or if they have to don't don't drink and hike no wine but yeah um i'm glad
00:26:01.560we uh stay inside thanks malcolm yeah that we don't um yeah well so sort of my meta on this
00:26:08.460is a few things okay hiking as a date to me feels crazy um like that is yeah that's like
00:26:18.240murder material it's well i mean also if someone invites you on a boat that's how you really know
00:26:23.440you're screwed like there's i i understand how like you're signaling a certain thing about you
00:26:32.660know you're outdoorsy whatever you're looking for the right kind of outdoorsy person and um0.99
00:26:40.000but i've done some date hikes before i've never had a good date hike because you don't know they're
00:26:46.740always like too hot or uncomfortable or whatever right like they're they're not fun um uh and
00:26:53.420they're often very dangerous like hiking um which i think people under undersell um outside of
00:27:01.480date hiking um hmm what's my second thought on this do you think the man i mean obviously the
00:27:10.480the austrian who just left his girlfriend after refusing a helicopter pickup i mean she would
00:27:16.640have paid it's not like he'd be paying for it i don't know why like that was gross negligence i
00:27:22.440get it like the court the court was correct on that one i think but like other guys just leaving
00:27:27.460their girlfriends behind i could also imagine the helicopter offer was before he left her
00:27:32.340yeah he was on the phone the phone with a policeman before he left her and refused a
00:27:38.020helicopter pickup oh wait so she was that like out of shape not well yeah yeah just like i'm
00:27:45.760gonna just stay here and then well that doesn't sound so bad anymore because then you could say
00:27:49.760well i'm going down to get help or i'm going down to yeah i think that was different from alpine
00:27:54.760divorce because that that sounds more like those everest disaster stories um where yeah but you
00:28:00.420know people get left behind because it's getting kind of rough you know now you have to make a call
00:28:04.260but i still think he made the wrong call he should have called the helicopter uh still um these other
00:28:11.340cases i kind of get the impression that one like the the two viral clips that are actually out
00:28:16.400there because there aren't that many ultimately some women talk about it is i think that like
00:28:20.540um these are instances that are not necessarily very close people sometimes they're in groups
00:28:27.800sometimes they're not in exclusive relationships and they're like yeah let's go hiking um and i
00:28:32.460think that it's mostly women overplaying that they're like oh go ahead um i'll catch up with
00:28:39.500you later. And, you know, they're not really that in shape and they're having a tough time and they1.00
00:28:43.580may not be the most pleasant people in the world. So the people don't want to hang around. Even you
00:28:47.760hate walking with me because I'm so freaking slow. So like, I know what this is like. And then they
00:28:53.060act all angry when it takes them forever to catch up or, you know, when they have to walk back by
00:28:58.280themselves because, you know, they walk super slow. But I don't really think this is some kind
00:29:04.880of new trend about men being super wrong but it is unchivalrous like if you're gonna bother to
00:29:12.160take a woman on a hike that could be if you actually cared about the woman like your chance
00:29:17.200to be her hero you know to piggy her piggyback her home or something or you immediately find out what
00:29:23.140a whiny well which i guess you could say is kind of productive i mean this might i mean i guess the
00:29:28.680type of woman who starts crying into tiktok the moment she gets left behind it's exactly the type
00:29:32.780of woman who gets left behind bullet dodged yeah well no i also wonder have you found any posts
00:29:39.340um and ask ai if you can find any posts on this where a guy explains why he left a girl in an
00:29:47.240opening divorce like are these planned by the guys or are oh they're not planned no like the
00:29:53.820guy gets fed up or slightly bored okay yes there are documented cases in which men involved later
00:30:00.980gave explanations in court interviews or as reported by the women notable examples thomas p who
00:30:07.040we discussed that's the austrian he's he explained that they agreed he should go ahead and seek help
00:30:12.460because they could not survive the night together she allegedly urged him go now go he believed an
00:30:19.180earlier phone call had already started the rescue process the court rejected these explanations as
00:30:24.740adequate convinced him of or convicted him of gross negligence and manslaughter and noted his
00:30:30.080far greater experience and failures to properly communicate the emergency or stay with her
00:30:34.920an ex-girlfriend also testified that he'd previously left her on the same mountain because
00:30:39.480she was too slow and there's jeremy jeremy machu picchu trek 2020 reported in the cut
00:30:47.120he left his girlfriend behind on a multi-day high altitude hike oh my god i wonder if they did the
00:30:52.860rainbow trail he later explained that he had repeatedly told her to train hit the gym beforehand
00:30:59.020and she made excuses on the trail she was complaining panting and miserable and he
00:31:05.640decided quote i just don't give a you know if you're going to be miserable back there i'm just
00:31:12.960not going to be a part of it he left her lack of preparation or he felt her lack of preparation
00:31:18.680was self-inflicted and should not ruin his experience they were in a guided tour group
00:31:23.280with someone bringing up the rear so he considered her physically safe he said he probably would
00:31:28.200have done the same even if they'd been alone oh god um that's amazing and then the woman who went
00:31:36.920viral who also filmed herself going down rocks when she should have been holding on harder
00:31:42.160according to her account the primary source for this widely discussed case the man said at the
00:31:47.560time that he wanted to run ahead to reach the summit before the other hikers on the trail
00:31:51.580they became separated that way after she made it down and they were united his reported reaction
00:31:57.260showed little empathy including a comment about her brainwashing herself with affirmations
00:32:02.400no independent public statement from him appears to have surfaced i feel like she explained herself
00:32:07.940she told on herself just fine other reported patterns in many women's accounts and online
00:32:14.480discussions the men offered real time or later rationalizations such as different paces she was
00:32:19.740too slow well you can relate can't you malcolm this is not a woman man thing though your mom
00:32:24.480walked like she was i don't know like booking it to a delicious buffet i that she really could walk
00:32:30.580um wanting to push hard or reach the goal quickly not realizing or claiming not to realize that
00:32:37.980separating was a problem and in one australian case um oh she was in australia i thought she
00:32:44.140was in some english moors this is the spicy pisces 444 the man later said he didn't realize
00:32:50.060he couldn't go off on his own and claimed she would not have survived alone in the wild oh
00:32:58.100she claimed she wouldn't have survived alone well it is australia i mean now that i know it was
00:33:03.160australia i don't want anyone i don't want to be out there in australia my god anyway um
00:33:10.400yeah i think a lot of it comes to poor communication and mismatched expectations
00:33:16.180but yeah that's um i love i love her her hiking companion the original woman's hiking companion
00:33:22.180being like look you're brainwashing yourself into thinking this was a situation that you
00:33:25.620didn't totally buy into i told you i was going ahead and yeah that trail was like
00:33:30.280i i given how how little she walked before coming across another hiker i i think it's pretty obvious
00:33:39.040that the trail was crowded at that point and the guy just wanted to beat the traffic essentially
00:33:45.680like to get to the top because it it sucks if you're on a kind of narrow and it was clearly a
00:33:51.120high incline that they were hiking on you do not want to be stuck behind slow people trying to
00:33:56.800climb to the top like when it's really dangerous in some parts it's yeah you don't want to be
00:34:01.420behind someone like the looks unstable and like could fall over so i totally get him like i would0.94
00:34:06.280be in the same position with a whiner the whole time just leave her to die on the mountain time0.95
00:34:11.720yeah look you're still a pretty good hiker you made it to the top of that summit wearing1.00
00:34:15.820ferragamos that was so funny we made a mistake we made a mistake in aspen and some people were
00:34:23.860like oh this is a nice trail and we're like oh this is awful steep what's going on yeah stay
00:34:30.380away from the steep trails in addition to staying away from steep trails stay away from steep roads
00:34:33.800too dangerous oh yeah i don't even think you should live in an area with steep roads i think
00:34:39.040someone was once took us on like a like a little car tour on a family vacation and the driver was
00:34:45.560like now we're gonna go on like this portion i've never seen someone do this on like a tour before
00:34:52.080but malcolm was just like no you're not we're not going there like you just you're just completely
00:34:57.900nixed like three hours of an entire tour and you're just like nope i will not put myself in
00:35:05.480a situation where i could randomly die for a simple three-hour car tour honestly you probably
00:35:11.060would have had a stroke or like a heart attack had we had we done that anyway um because you're
00:35:16.540super freaking afraid of heights what was that road called i don't remember the road of death
00:35:22.760or something i think i think i really do think it was called something like the road of death
00:35:26.500death hold on it was in telly because people die on it all the time because yeah it was your mom
00:35:31.600dude there are just so many dangerous things that people do without thinking about how dangerous
00:35:36.900they are um yeah and you'd be like well i'll go and i'm like no you will not simone i'm not having
00:35:43.120the wife and mom of my kids put in a dangerous situation like that yeah fair enough super
00:35:49.000oh yeah it would have been four hours don't think about how dangerous dangerous things they do are
00:35:56.980yeah i i think that's i think that's very true like same thing with the the whole we were another
00:36:04.320and this was the most luxurious family vacation i've you know we it was someone's like blowout
00:36:08.600birthday they had a lot of money so they did a luxury um safari and we were invited it was
00:36:13.900amazing it was humbling it was amazing it was one of the coolest trips ever not most fun but coolest
00:36:17.740um and most luxurious and like Malcolm kept asking as we're like in these open jeeps next to
00:36:27.140lions and cheetahs and elephants um and and hippos um like hey how do they I mean what keeps us safe
00:36:37.340from these wild animals that are famous for killing humans um they're like look they're
00:36:42.980they're habituated to the vehicles like they basically don't see them and we're like I don't
00:36:47.400know about that and then at one point this elephant like rushes our car in the darkness
00:36:53.300um and we knew that we were in actual danger because immediately the driver like cuts the
00:37:00.640vehicle and is like no actually shut up right now and he looked so freaking scared and as soon as
00:37:07.420we got back he like ran to the staff section um and then later at the end of the trip there was
00:37:13.340like at dinner where we got to hang out with more of the staff and i think malcolm you had asked them
00:37:17.880you're like no but really like is no one hurt by the animals they're like oh yeah last week our
00:37:22.560friend was killed by a lion um because like tourists wanted to get a better look or something
00:37:27.700and it's just like wait just like last week your friend was just killed by it like no people die
00:37:33.140all the freaking time yeah and it's just it's just a matter of like well if the industry is lucrative
00:37:38.860enough, people will like, they'll take you there. Like a Sherpa will take you to the top of Everest
00:37:44.260because you pay them. You know, if someone's going to drive you on an incredibly dangerous
00:37:49.500cliffside road because you pay them, someone will take you on a safari, surround you with dangerous
00:37:55.180wild animals that can trample you or hurt you at any point because you pay them. Like that doesn't
00:38:02.260mean you're going to survive this. In fact, I think recently in Yellowstone, there was one or
00:38:07.780two instances of in one of the big like guy or like it's it's one of those uh volcanic hot
00:38:14.280pools like really hot like in really hot pools where they found a shoe with someone's foot inside
00:38:20.900it um just not great yeah like just just don't there you there's so many things you can do that
00:38:30.820won't get you immediately killed yeah just don't um and also like i think people think about oh
00:38:39.020well skydiving like i think probably the stats on skydiving are just talking about skydiving
00:38:45.800accidents like the parachute not opening properly when they're not talking about the rate of
00:38:50.440accidents in those super rickety planes like i remember when i went skydiving i was like oh i'm
00:38:56.560to die in this plane like oh i thought about the skydiving part but i didn't think about the plane
00:39:02.880part um because they are like held together literally with tape which is disturbing so it's
00:39:08.960very true it's very true but anyway i i i think the most disturbing thing about this isn't ben
00:39:13.800abandoning women on hiking trips i'm most concerned about women getting this very skewed perspective
00:39:20.020about what female solo travel is like um from influencers again who will make it look good1.00
00:39:27.380because they get money for it but in the end like it's not a good idea to wear a white t-shirt and0.99
00:39:34.040no bra or just honestly to like hike alone as a female at all right but to do so as you say
00:39:40.260literally dressed like bait is worrisome oh look it's bait0.75
00:39:47.540yeah anyway i hope she posted all of those videos and stuff after she finished taking the trail1.00
00:39:57.120because i'm sure i mean she has a lot of followers on i mean i don't think women also realize how
00:40:02.980much more dangerous our countries are getting as you're letting in because i i could say that
00:40:06.760try going to egypt and dressing like this you know yeah don't yeah you you are going to get so
00:40:12.080if you if you dress like this people don't like even and even if someone doesn't attack you like
00:40:18.420even if you're in a very crowded place and you're not isolated and alone like when your mom took her
00:40:22.920friends to marrakesh on that trip and she warned them about like dressing reasonably but they
00:40:30.080didn't and then that one of her friends got spit on like just at one of the markets and that's like
00:40:35.560obviously not the worst it could happen no that's the best it could happen yeah like honestly but
00:40:39.780like you don't want that experience so just but the the point i'm making is is now those people
00:40:45.420exist in our national parks well i don't know if they're in our national they they go to national
00:40:52.400parks egyptians camp too but we're not we're not singling out egyptians or what do you call
00:40:59.700someone from morocco moroccans obviously okay sorry i was thinking marrakesh marrakeshians
00:41:03.880um what's that what's that place we we signal out all the time because of the frauds that's
00:41:09.640probably a better example india no in africa east africa all the somalia somalia somalia
00:41:18.740yeah you dress like that in somalia oh um yeah nigeria isn't there's like the scammy part and
00:41:25.360there's like the really really awesome part or so i'm told by this one nigerian youtuber
00:41:30.280who, like, really hates some Nigerians
00:41:33.640but thinks that, like, his group is the best.0.96