Based Camp - September 07, 2026


Youth Flee Burning Man： ＂A Retirement Home in the Desert＂


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00:00:00.460 Hello, Simone! I'm excited to be here with you today.
00:00:03.980 You, as somebody who had gone to Burning Man in the past,
00:00:06.320 we're going to be going over an article and some new statistics.
00:00:09.620 And the article is titled,
00:00:10.900 Burning Man has become a wrinkled sausage fest for aging millennial men, data shows.
00:00:16.960 And the data is extreme.
00:00:19.680 This article is, by the way, from the New York Post,
00:00:21.520 and we'll be going through it, commenting on it, and bringing in additional data.
00:00:25.480 Right.
00:00:25.660 burning man the nine-day celebration of art music and anarchistic hijinks in the nevada desert has
00:00:31.320 been steadily shrinking since its 2019 peak but the share of people in their 40s and 50s is on
00:00:36.940 the rise data shows the number of free loving revelers flocking to the playa i love they put
00:00:43.320 it in quotation marks like oh new york post come on where each year a city is built on bare sand
00:00:50.960 and raised after a week of drug-fueled closing optional partying um no one of the posts i found
00:00:57.560 on twitter because i was looking at analysis on this was a guy who had regularly gone to burning
00:01:02.160 man who said the number of attractive naked women has dropped 95 percent over the years
00:01:06.440 95 that's a statistic for you no no it dipped to about 70 000 last year after peaking at close
00:01:15.300 to 80 000 according to last year's census of black rock city uh the ad hoc municipality that
00:01:20.740 hosts the burn but the oldies are proving that they have more stamina than the kids in 2014
00:01:27.480 burners under 30 made up 30 of the playa the number plunged by more than half to 14 percent
00:01:36.260 in 2025 oh my god that's actually quite that's remarkable yeah that's and that's an old age
00:01:44.960 we're not talking under like 20 or 25 under 30 under 30 is less than 14 now that's really
00:01:53.780 different from how i remember it when you went you said it was would be the majority right yeah
00:01:59.520 i was very so as a young lady who grew up in the san francisco bay area i was accustomed to events
00:02:04.980 where people were naked and i was also very accustomed to all the people who were naked
00:02:09.380 obviously being boomers being my parents age and being really gross looking and then what really
00:02:14.460 shocked me about burning man which i attended i think as a junior in high school in 2005
00:02:18.960 was that the naked people were actually hot like i i wasn't repulsed when i saw them i was like okay
00:02:26.940 like these are attractive naked people i thought only ugly people walked around naked because
00:02:31.020 that's kind of the normal san francisco bay area it is the normal san francisco as a man who lived
00:02:37.180 why is it that only the people who shouldn't be walking around naked are the ones walking around
00:02:42.000 naked and all the hot people are wearing a lot of clothes but no in burning man it was super
00:02:46.400 different it was like oh okay and here's where the hot people take off their clothes and i think
00:02:50.780 there maybe there's some critical mass about um you know like being naked they actually had one
00:02:57.520 of the things that happened at burning man was a thing called critical tits i think it happened
00:03:00.900 outside burning man too um but there there was this thing where just like all the women would
00:03:06.020 ride their bikes with their shirts off um in big flocks uh it was like it was a one once every time
00:03:10.840 but like it was delightful yeah so many things like that but i guess now it'd just be like
00:03:15.020 saggy flapjacks on a bunch of bikes instead did you ever walk around burning man naked or
00:03:21.160 i did not take my clothes off no i did not take my that is so i was i was underage that probably
00:03:26.820 i mean i there were like a bunch of naked feral children running around but like i
00:03:30.420 i guess i guess it would have been fine i our house is full of naked feral children look
00:03:36.180 have you tried to get yes you have look getting our children dressed is harder than dressing a
00:03:42.660 rabid raccoon they will scratch they will hiss they will bite i'm not dealing with that like
00:03:48.060 if i don't have to jeez i feel like if we could just spray paint clothing on just anyway wow
00:03:57.640 that's what we'll be doing going forward so that is that is the future spray paint clothing on
00:04:02.120 in the morning you have you have a machine that like grabs your kids they're squirming and
00:04:07.380 genuinely genuinely i should actually like try to watch i don't know youtube channels of pet
00:04:12.760 influencers who like make their poor over-medicated animals wear clothing so we've got like a dog
00:04:18.660 washing sink we should be using that for the kids i had then i'd have to lift them into it see i can
00:04:23.460 just kind of like push them into the bath after i drag them um because i literally you know what
00:04:27.860 Every time with Titan, I have to drag her.
00:04:30.040 She's smiling the whole way.
00:04:31.820 She loved it.
00:04:33.960 A little too much.
00:04:35.220 I'm going to be honest.
00:04:36.120 A little too much.
00:04:37.320 Catch me, daddy.
00:04:38.460 Catch me.
00:04:38.980 It's not good.
00:04:39.780 It's not good, Titan.
00:04:42.140 Anyway.
00:04:44.720 Yeah.
00:04:45.360 So, wow.
00:04:46.740 So, it's older now.
00:04:47.520 Because it was notably young and there were a lot of hot people there when I went.
00:04:52.680 And I, yeah.
00:04:53.520 It's, yeah.
00:04:54.060 And they were naked.
00:04:54.800 Apparently, there's just not many topless women at all anymore.
00:04:57.860 that is also shocking i mean now to be clear like critical tits wouldn't have been a thing
00:05:02.920 at burning man if women were always walking around topless so it wasn't like perpetual nudity wasn't
00:05:09.060 so much a thing one of the reasons being that you're in a pretty extreme weather environment
00:05:13.180 like you have to wear goggles and you have to have a mask with you constantly because the dust storms
00:05:17.460 come and you actually need to cover like all the things or else i mean dust is going to get
00:05:23.100 everywhere anyway but also it gets super cold at night you can't walk around naked because it's
00:05:29.800 like 40 degrees and windy and cold so you know as you know from being in that troubled teen camp
00:05:36.580 on the desert like it gets super freaking cold at night and you you need to try to survive so
00:05:41.800 there's that fantastic so to continue adriel knight 41 attended in 2023 when a rainstorm
00:05:50.200 flooded camps and turned the exit routes into an impassable muddy mess famous she recalls one
00:05:55.220 young influencer saying this is not like coachella at all first off who's going to coachella second
00:06:02.460 off who's going to and that was that like there's a there's a really classmates when i was getting
00:06:07.540 my nba at stanford business school there was like a big group of them that went to coachella and i
00:06:12.360 were sizable enough and i was like what are you doing i know it seems so insanely miserable
00:06:18.880 Insanely miserable.
00:06:20.020 I mean, I would say actually Burning Man is legit cool.
00:06:24.160 Very, very, like I wouldn't go again, but I'm glad I went.
00:06:27.020 However, Coachella?
00:06:28.220 Absolutely not.
00:06:29.180 No, no way at all.
00:06:30.400 But that year is quite famous.
00:06:33.360 Nothing like this had happened at Burning Man before.
00:06:35.200 And what happens with the playa, this desert, is when it rains hard.
00:06:41.220 And it rained hard for several days.
00:06:42.960 You cannot move a car out of it.
00:06:45.540 There were pregnant people there.
00:06:47.340 there were sick people there there were people who couldn't walk who who were separated from
00:06:52.260 their meds it was a genuine serious emergency and when this played out you had the government
00:06:58.600 saying like hey should we send in a rescue crew and the burning man organization being like oh
00:07:04.100 my god please don't like we can't have this on our record basically i actually think they made
00:07:08.740 a bad call um somebody ended up dying by the way someone died in that of drugs though oh well yeah
00:07:14.900 Oh, sorry. Yeah, I do remember that. Yeah, but that's that doesn't count because, you know, that happens.
00:07:19.200 But that was a really, really bad year.
00:07:23.200 They had such a rough run of it after 2019 that it makes sense why there are fewer people because it's just kind of scary.
00:07:30.560 But that was in 2023. That was in 2023. Yeah.
00:07:33.500 uh and that year apparently like um chris rock and diplo i don't know who diplo is they ended
00:07:40.600 up having to like walk of the five six miles in the mud to like the road and hitchhike out
00:07:46.940 yeah no some people escaped that way but then the other burners like shamed them for it you know
00:07:51.680 they're like coward it was just just horrible like the way it all played out um and this is
00:07:57.080 something kimball musk was there that year he's yeah he's i didn't realize how how much he got
00:08:03.680 into burning man um until i saw the man must burn a documentary about burning man on hbo
00:08:11.360 which has multiple episodes it's a really good documentary but then i see this like weird guy
00:08:17.100 talking who like looks sort of familiar and then i'm like oh my god and it just turns out that he's
00:08:22.120 trying to get involved in like the governance of it the succession planning with the organization
00:08:26.040 like trying to get people together and it very much actually ties in with your theme of today
00:08:30.580 which is this organization needs succession planning this organization well i mean it's
00:08:36.260 the same with the bohemian grove like the bohemian grove is falling apart because everyone's super
00:08:40.020 old now like there are things that are scenes for certain periods and if you can't accept that
00:08:46.780 scenes transition then you end up wasting your time trying to capture legacy organizations that
00:08:52.580 don't matter anymore. So if I'm going to give an example of like, I think my dad handled this very
00:08:57.420 maturely. So my dad was one of the people who made an organization. Now, if you are into like
00:09:03.560 edgy intellectualism in the eighties and like the dominant organizations in that, uh, he was one of
00:09:09.980 the key figures that brought the rise of an organization called the Santa Fe Institute was
00:09:13.980 like the proto effective altruists, right? Um, it was, uh, they, they focused on like complex,
00:09:20.140 what was it complexity research no no no oh sorry you know you're thinking about the santa fe
00:09:23.940 institute he's also involved in aspen but oh yeah sorry sorry sorry your dad he's he's prolific
00:09:29.100 he's prolific the santa fe institute the santa fe institute they are big specialists in complexity
00:09:35.120 studies um i think at one point jeffrey epstein donated to them he was he was one of their
00:09:41.700 longest standing board members and he was the guy your dad was not yeah yeah my dad was my dad and
00:09:47.480 he was the guy who managed the period in which they grew dramatically um and they became like
00:09:53.500 a major institution in terms of influencing edgy intellectual thought from like i'd say like late
00:10:00.580 80s to like up to like the mid 90s right um and they're still relevant uh like obviously epstein
00:10:06.680 wanted to to buddy up with them because they they hold a lot of sway right yeah like genuinely um
00:10:12.940 very prestigious scientists, intellectuals, et cetera, have been involved with them. They do
00:10:18.320 research that people would call interesting. I personally can't stand it because
00:10:22.860 complexity research, like it all just comes down to like, I can't tell how much of it's
00:10:28.400 intellectual gatekeeping that doesn't actually amount to anything. And the problem with complexity
00:10:32.180 research is like, we can't do anything about it because it's too complicated. And I'm like,
00:10:37.000 you know what so so by the way if if you're wondering um what they are like in a character
00:10:43.400 who was modeled after this intellectual scene okay um if you've ever seen the original jurassic park
00:10:50.780 ian malcolm is modeled after the santa fe institute people in their research he's a walking
00:10:58.520 santa fe institute researcher clear on chaos oh it's uh simply deals with predictability and
00:11:06.220 complex systems the shorthand is the the butterfly effect a butterfly can flap its wings in peaking
00:11:12.780 and central park you get rain instead of sunshine and then i go too fast i go too fast i did a fly
00:11:21.180 back no give me give me that a glass of water we're going to conduct an experiment it should
00:11:24.380 be still the car's bouncing up and down but that's okay it's just an example now put your hand flat
00:11:29.100 like a hieroglyphic then now let's say a drop of water falls in your hand some
00:11:36.220 uh-huh okay okay now freeze your hand freeze your hand and you'll go to these lectures and
00:11:41.020 they'll do like two hours of math on like a water droplets path or something like that
00:11:46.060 yeah yeah yeah yeah and he's at the it's actually like the institute that's like well but should we
00:11:50.900 should we make dinosaurs and i'm like yes we should yes we should colossal come on like let's
00:11:56.440 do it bring it bring it um they were they were the math guys of like the late 80s it was like
00:12:02.600 their leather jackets like trying to risk girls but he unlike kimball trying to so he took an
00:12:13.880 organization that was really nothing and then worked with them as they became a dominant
00:12:17.680 intellectual player get it on the ground floor when it's still messy yeah whereas kimball tried
00:12:22.160 to capture an organization that was honestly in or past its prime when he became relevant within it
00:12:28.380 um and is trying to capture the prestige that it already had built whereas my dad gracefully
00:12:34.300 stepped out of the organization being like no this is stupid um i i think he would um disagree
00:12:42.340 with that that final statement but i do think it's i think his argument and this is really the
00:12:48.060 best martis philosophy is you step in when you can make a difference and when an organization
00:12:52.440 gets too old and too messy to functionally change or be influenced by you in a positive way you got
00:12:58.120 to step back because you're not going to have it you're wasting your time it's not going to change
00:13:02.140 it's too ossified it's cancerous you got to drop it like well i mean and speaking of cool new
00:13:07.840 organizations and movements this faction of the new right feels like that for our generation um
00:13:15.140 i i really believe that you know 20 30 years this will be the burning man of our generation
00:13:20.920 all the the aging vtubers with their ageless models all the you know um you know i mean i
00:13:27.860 think there's this is where i see the people going who are just like okay but yeah what's true
00:13:33.820 and like let's be edgy and have fun with it right um and i don't see any other centers of power
00:13:42.660 where that is really happening in a meaningful context for a little bit you had it was like the
00:13:48.960 what was it the paradox what were they called again the that that stupid magazine um oh uh
00:13:56.520 no you're thinking about praxis the city-state but you're talking about palladium palladium
00:14:02.340 palladium magazine no i was thinking of palladium i just forgot the name they held like parties and
00:14:06.500 they had like a bit of a scene going on but that's not as relevant anymore um they did have a scene
00:14:12.180 they did have a scene no they absolutely had a scene but that was like the generation before us
00:14:15.960 like five six years ago or something like that right uh most of their key figures have moved on
00:14:20.840 um uh but there really isn't anything palladium would have been the only competitor to this
00:14:26.480 ecosystem and and and it's mostly retired at this point which is fascinating i mean uh praxis could
00:14:34.920 be the same through the the city-state movement but that's you know while they're still chugging
00:14:39.600 along they don't hold the parties they don't hold the podcast they don't hold the you know anything
00:14:43.200 like that yeah they used to try i think and have regular events in new york but a lot of things
00:14:47.440 have changed so who knows what's going on and and we say that's not as outsiders we've been on the
00:14:51.140 praxis podcast we've written for palladium right like we've been to their parties yeah we we and
00:14:56.040 we yeah we want them to succeed we want this um we yeah we also know that what they're doing is
00:15:00.700 very hard to do but yeah um definitely what's happening burning man is an organization that
00:15:05.880 started a very very long time ago and one thing that's revealed in um the man must burn in that
00:15:11.700 documentary, it really centers around this core problem because the documentary team primarily
00:15:16.700 follows the organization of Burning Man and its CEO who started out as the girlfriend of the
00:15:25.540 original man who started Burning Man. And she just sort of ended up over time as the CEO of
00:15:31.400 this organization. And throughout the documentary, there's this one point at which I think kind of
00:15:37.540 led by kimball this contingent is like look she can't stay like we need we need new blood like
00:15:44.480 and she's just kind of like whatever like i'm just gonna keep going i don't know who wants my job and
00:15:50.040 like i don't know she's she's kind of fed up with her position but she cares about the organization
00:15:53.480 and she's going to keep doing it and kind of like the other issue with burning man as as the thing
00:15:58.800 it has become is that kind of no one wants that job no one wants to be responsible for a self-forming
00:16:05.600 city and all of the like zoning nonsense and the porta potties. And you have to go through
00:16:11.920 and police people and tell people to go away. It's both extremely expensive now and the expenses
00:16:18.660 of the average ticket don't cover the cost. So you have this organization that's trying to survive,
00:16:25.480 trying to maintain the finances sufficient to do it. And all the types of people who love Burning
00:16:31.200 man are exactly the types of people who don't want to be like bureaucratic admins. And so
00:16:36.160 as much as people are like, we need succession planning, we need something different.
00:16:40.300 No one wants to do it. And so you have this incredibly old, not in a bad, I mean, like
00:16:45.760 they're also experienced. They care a lot about this, but they are very old group of people who
00:16:50.360 are still doing this. And I would say that, look, the fact that I went in 2005, which is 21 years
00:16:57.720 ago oh my god i'm old 21 years ago if somebody had been born at that burn no keep in mind though
00:17:02.680 yeah they would be 21 years old they do you have drinking age um uh oh yeah they'd be turning yeah
00:17:07.920 that is really but this is how old you are no but the point is it wasn't just that right i'm old
00:17:13.040 right but like i went that that year and who did i go with but my high school friend and her parents
00:17:20.820 it was her parents who were burners i went because they wanted to take their daughter for the first
00:17:25.760 time and they wanted their daughter to have a kid companion at the event and that is the thing is
00:17:30.620 like to me and to my peers burning man wasn't the thing you go to it was the thing our parents go to
00:17:37.740 and that was in freaking 2005 so you have to understand just the profundity of the geriatric
00:17:44.540 nature of burning man right now when for me teenager it's a thing that your parents go to
00:17:52.420 It's a thing in 2005 that boomers went to.
00:17:56.720 And now 20 years have passed.
00:17:58.500 So now it's what like a barely ambulatory elderly people go to.
00:18:03.140 Somebody described it as like a retirement home in the desert now.
00:18:06.640 Oh no, which is so sad.
00:18:09.880 Because also like a lot of really sad things are happening this year in particular because
00:18:14.440 of the expense of going as well.
00:18:16.540 For example, one of the best things about Burning Man has been the Thunderdome put on
00:18:22.400 by the death guild because the way that burning man works is um the coolest features are put on
00:18:28.600 by people who attend burning man and bring with them huge amounts and this is a great expense
00:18:33.200 you know like sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars at least tens of thousands of dollars
00:18:36.640 yeah to bring out art exhibits um and and events and like whole venues and like party
00:18:41.900 buses that play amazing music and have famous djs come and all these things
00:18:52.400 and a lot of the people funding this are people like kimball musk are people who
00:18:59.640 are big silicon valley post exit people who you would know who are quite famous um there's you
00:19:06.100 know the the odds of you running into a current or former like tech ceo at burning man are
00:19:12.100 incredibly high because also these are the people who can afford to put things on and also attend
00:19:16.640 But anyway, the Death Guild's contribution to Burning Man was this giant geodesic dome that sort of remade Road Warriors Thunderdome, where you could get attached to like a bungee cord system and then just like have at it.
00:19:46.640 did you did you go in it i did not no i know i was a little girl i was just fascinated by it
00:20:01.480 but i really loved it um and there was uh like that one of the primary leaders of the death
00:20:06.380 guild is this woman who sings like techno operas like in the fifth element like that kind of thing
00:20:11.660 okay okay and so she would like she'd sing at the beginning and it was just this whole big thing and
00:20:15.580 Everyone's, like, climbing up onto the dome, like, screaming.
00:20:18.440 That reminds me of our kids in the dome in the backyard.
00:20:21.340 No, like, literally every day is the Thunderdome
00:20:24.480 with the Death Guild and Burning Man at our house.
00:20:26.240 I swear.
00:20:26.680 We just, like, add lasers and we have Burning Man.
00:20:30.120 It's the nudity, the trippy moments, the Thunderdome.
00:20:35.420 Give them some things to hit each other with.
00:20:37.780 That's what we need in the dome.
00:20:39.640 Yeah, actually, we really need that.
00:20:40.960 They had, like, I should just, yeah,
00:20:42.700 I should just take a screenshot of what they have
00:20:44.380 and we'll just rebuild it because our kids would freaking get like a bouncy thing get them some
00:20:49.000 like sticks to hit each other yeah because you're fighting with like non-lethal sticks in the
00:20:53.220 thunderdome burning man also i would say over the years became a lot less intense um for example
00:20:59.340 when i went one of the most awkward moments of burning man and perhaps embarrassing moments of
00:21:05.220 my life um was um we were looking for this one camp that was legendary where they would brand
00:21:12.040 people the thing you're supposed to do at burning man is even if you're a guest even if you're not
00:21:15.540 putting on one of these tens of thousands of dollars like art exhibits or whatever like you
00:21:19.280 should bring a gift and one camp was famous for just having like active branding irons where you
00:21:25.540 could just get branded like on your butt forever did you want that to happen i will i wanted to
00:21:30.720 find the camp right and we we got there really early because our parents had to set up their
00:21:35.760 own art exhibit they're they're both artists by trade really she does not have a branding on her
00:21:39.880 butt people i would i would know he would know and so we get to the camp and no one's there um so we
00:21:46.340 just had to talk with the people running it directly and they i think just like that year
00:21:52.440 or the year before had switched from doing brands for liability reasons to doing stamps and they
00:22:00.160 were like well do you want us to stamp your butts and we're like well like we didn't want to be rude
00:22:05.680 um and so yeah we had these like middle-aged men like and we were pulling down our pants and they
00:22:10.940 were stamping our butts and i was like i don't feel comfortable with this because then he decided
00:22:15.460 to blow on it to dry off the ink and i'm like i don't think i like this i think we should go now
00:22:21.440 very creepy hold on so what happened to the thunderdome so the thunder sorry right the
00:22:28.320 death guild decided this year they couldn't afford to go that it was just too expensive
00:22:31.400 And so everyone going this year is deprived of the Thunderdome. And look, they've been through a lot. In 2020, Burning Man was canceled formally. But people still went, including Kimball Musk and his contingent. And the people who did show up actually really had a good time because it was just like ardent, real, like we're just going to do this even though it's illegal, renegade burners, instead of having an actual man to burn because, you know, the whole setup wasn't there.
00:22:57.680 and this is of course the culmination of this event that is burning man a giant wooden man
00:23:01.700 is burned and everyone gets really excited about it and it's like oh yay the man is burning and
00:23:06.280 then the day after that you burn the temple which is a place where people bring all of their
00:23:09.460 grievances and sorrow and then the temple burns from that really sad scene in the abortion article
00:23:14.360 yeah actually yes that's right yes romey took yes something something about her lost her lost baby
00:23:20.760 intentionally lost baby to the to yes to the temple and then it burned and it's supposed
00:23:25.280 to help her mentally but i don't think it really maybe it did i hope it brought her closure um but
00:23:29.620 anyway instead of having a man they had this really cool drone display like um i think they
00:23:34.900 made a man out of a drone swarm which is legit cool um so yeah look oh especially during that
00:23:40.920 period right like this was a while ago yeah 2020 when like this was extremely new technology
00:23:46.140 um and that's always been a thing at burning man it's it's incredibly high tech meets um complete
00:23:51.420 off the grid nature but here's what i don't understand before we go further with the article
00:23:56.440 is like how like kimball musk my god man you have the attention on you and likely the wealth
00:24:04.040 to do something meaningful with your life other than seek status among burners right like that's
00:24:11.140 true he could just make a whole new burning man that would be cooler and better and there was
00:24:16.100 cooler burning man even when burning man was happening so yeah what happened to ephemera
00:24:21.560 do you have yeah so ephemera i gotta talk about ephemera before i move forward so ephemera was
00:24:25.840 like the circles that i was in because i was in the edgy yeah they're like oh don't go to burning
00:24:30.620 man go to ephemera oh and it genuinely sounded so much more fun than burning man um so not to me
00:24:37.060 jesus christ what ephemera was is everyone who was going would buy something that floated uh
00:24:45.460 like a floating platform or a boat or uh you know something and you'd all go into this like a big
00:24:52.100 lake at this one location and then they tied everything together to create this like giant
00:24:57.140 network of floating platforms look it was the water world to burning man's road warrior if
00:25:02.620 if burning man is like hot and dry like why not have a cool water thing that you can oh why not
00:25:08.360 just get gangrene because your feet are so soggy because your boat keeps leaking that just sounds
00:25:13.520 look the dust wasn't
00:25:43.460 as bad as every it just gives you anime hair everyone's got anime hair it looks fantastic
00:25:47.480 it's it's it was great you're like a chinchilla you bathe in it um ephemera did not sound good
00:25:54.240 but yes absolutely people have tried to create other cool gatherings and perhaps have succeeded
00:26:02.340 and perhaps there are amazing ones happening and the only reason why they're amazing is because we
00:26:06.640 don't know about them and that's kind of a the feature oh gosh so i decided to look up ephemera
00:26:12.300 it's got a wikipedia article um and it goes uh in the first year approximately two-thirds of
00:26:17.740 ephemeris hundred plus attendees were seasteaders so that was the community of course yes in 2012
00:26:23.660 there were approximately 300 uh attendees a quarter of which were seasteaders and by 2015
00:26:30.380 there were estimated 500 attendees and there isn't any any note of a rundown of the event
00:26:35.900 you think there'd be pictures or something there are tons of pictures
00:26:40.820 um what are you searching because there's a historical article
00:26:45.100 oh it looks cool okay okay yeah it's it's a little oh i love the yacht zone
00:26:54.300 there's like a there's the rich part of town yacht club area and then there's like the poor
00:27:01.820 people part of town and i see an outrage yeah the yacht zone where the three i didn't even notice
00:27:06.120 that and then there's like this weird old tanker yeah then there's like the yeah yeah then there's
00:27:12.960 then there's the tanker ghetto and then there's like everyone else that's so cute i love that so
00:27:20.200 much the yacht people okay i'm seeing uh guys hanging out in like a floating kiddie pool
00:27:27.600 someone tried to set up some art that's floating on the uh oh there's like a floating platform
00:27:32.980 intense this was um this was ephemera was hosted in like this delta area around california that
00:27:42.180 has sort of a bunch of islands and then just water i don't know how they did the permitting
00:27:47.140 for it but well that's lovely um yeah it's around sacramento i it looks like
00:27:54.520 nothing happened after 2021 though but it's still happening every year i checked ai yeah
00:28:02.020 okay i'm just saying i prefer to be on water than yeah you can go you can go you can go
00:28:09.580 look i wouldn't go back to burning man now with the kids to continue i wouldn't go back it's really
00:28:16.300 out of everyone's comfort zone even if you have a comfy camp and maybe millennials and gen xers
00:28:20.980 have a higher tolerance for discomfort,
00:28:23.380 Knight told the Post.
00:28:24.820 Men have also historically outnumbered women,
00:28:26.860 and that trend still holds strong,
00:28:28.360 with males making up 56% of the burners last year.
00:28:31.220 That's not that much more.
00:28:32.840 Come on.
00:28:34.000 It was an oasis of men, I don't mind,
00:28:36.320 Knight said, of her experience.
00:28:38.340 Although she said the gender gap
00:28:39.920 wasn't significantly noticeable to her.
00:28:42.160 But as those men arrived with camera phones,
00:28:44.800 the number of women partying topless has dropped,
00:28:47.140 reported veteran burners.
00:28:48.760 When did nudity disappear?
00:28:50.160 yes there were some swinging hogs i saw you but i would say that the amount of female
00:28:56.360 toplessness decreased 95 from the last time i was there lamented one burner of the our burning man
00:29:02.300 subreddit who attended the recent festival after a 10-year hiatus the burns famous orgy dome has
00:29:08.140 strict regulations to ward away any horny pickup artists including a couples and morsems entry
00:29:13.840 policy orgy dome oh my god yeah there there have been headlines this year of like the orgy dome
00:29:21.660 blew over the previous year but it's coming back this year participants are being encouraged to
00:29:26.780 use antibacterial body wipes just doesn't sound very good so now uh about half of burners make
00:29:33.500 over a hundred thousand dollars a year compared to just over a quarter of that level in 2015
00:29:37.460 this is a rich old person saying meanwhile the festival has gotten more expensive to attend it
00:29:43.640 It can also be cost prohibitive, said Knight, who spent around $1,000 on supplies and preparation in 2023 on the top of the price.
00:29:50.620 This year, that went up $775 more than that, so almost double.
00:29:56.560 In addition, Borner's charged extra fees to drive a vehicle to Blackwalk City.
00:30:01.260 My first burn in 2005, I was 21, and I bought a ticket for $215.
00:30:06.200 I spent $1,000 for that year alone.
00:30:08.760 It sucks the economy is pricing so many of the younger burners out, he said.
00:30:12.260 yeah legitimately who can afford to do that
00:30:15.460 in the travel out there you can't family or you're relevant to the future of human civilization
00:30:21.600 yeah does kimball musk have kids that's a good question he must have kids
00:30:27.880 four children three uh biological children and a stepchild
00:30:36.800 he founded something called the kitchen what is the kitchen uh like they own a restaurant called
00:30:45.400 big green in austin no this is a non-profit i can't and vibrant neighborhood neighborhood
00:30:54.480 bistro and bar serving globally inspired american cuisine
00:30:58.340 but he founded something with his wife which i guess is good
00:31:06.180 oh and then he tried to open a kitchen seven months ago in boulder and then and reddit had
00:31:13.680 an aneurysm about it and is like are we going to do anything about the kitchen
00:31:17.420 kimbo musk is mentioned in the epstein files he clearly has some association we need to bankrupt
00:31:24.000 them what is wrong with people i am so glad we became famous after epstein was locked up
00:31:34.160 because he a hundred percent would have reached out to us yeah he even reached out to chris pool
00:31:39.480 like yeah this this guy i would have been like an island sure yeah let's check it out
00:31:44.540 oh you know i hate island you would have had to go by yourself um yeah that would have looked
00:31:50.360 better simone oh great that would have looked better oh god you're right yeah you'd have to
00:31:58.700 be messaging someone about antibiotics after my lord okay so how do i convince my wife to take
00:32:05.200 antibiotics how do oh my god oh yeah we probably probably would have well i mean no we if we knew
00:32:13.240 that he was a i'm like weirdly resistant to peer pressure like we've hung out with like severely
00:32:20.060 rich people at like drug parties and stuff like that and i'm severely rich it's great i'm like
00:32:25.940 no no thank you no thank you yeah we're a little too square for all that we are very square people
00:32:34.220 think that like we're like out because we're from the silicon valley ecosystem and we were exposed
00:32:39.360 to all of this and this was normal for us but throughout the entire pipeline of all of that
00:32:44.540 i was the squarest mother i think you have to understand when you come from social sets like
00:32:51.040 our parents who did all that stuff that's a it's a parent thing your mom like was like hey malcolm
00:32:58.880 do you want to smoke pot and you're like no no i mean i did it with her and i was like you did
00:33:04.520 stupid oh god see yeah i wouldn't like my parents were always like try this try that and i'm like
00:33:10.420 i only go with jesus approved uh uh intoxicants okay jesus approved intoxicants
00:33:18.200 someone needs to put those on like beer cans and bottles of wine
00:33:23.300 jesus approved that's what i'll do if i were jesus approved wine jesus approved
00:33:29.940 yeah bread fishing was fishes and wine i guess he was okay with um no i mean out of all the
00:33:38.720 major religions with like christianity's the most like pro-alcohol religion that i'm aware of
00:33:44.060 huh like i don't think judaism doesn't explicitly have any big alcohol miracles
00:33:49.960 that's a that's a thing like alcohol alcohol miracles you know you know your religion is a
00:33:57.440 christians have multiple alcohol miracles oh god the people who are like um uh uh like well well
00:34:06.780 you know those christians they don't drink i'm like well they don't they don't they're not really
00:34:10.660 big into the bible i guess because uh buddhism doesn't have multiple alcohol miracles i i even
00:34:19.800 like the ancient greeks had like specific gods for that stuff but like this is true this is true
00:34:27.440 but actually i would say you'd have to argue that the greeks didn't value alcohol because
00:34:35.000 they would always pour libations whereas the christians no you might slaughter an animal you
00:34:41.260 might spill blood you didn't spill but you would not spill your we we expanded we doubled the elk
00:34:45.960 we we we multiplied there are there you every week you have to drink your alcohol we do we do not
00:34:51.680 waste because that's christ's blood right no but yeah yeah they my my blood is alcohol it's it says
00:34:59.080 he could have chosen many things for that symbolism all right and he went straight for
00:35:05.040 alcohol he went straight god okay um it's true it's true it's true it's true it's it could have
00:35:16.880 he could have been like hey can we i'm about to do a big thing here can we change out the drink
00:35:21.140 for something non-alcoholic yeah for something a little more sober this is kind of a difficult
00:35:25.440 night for me going through some stuff it's so fun for me that like the the morality police
00:35:35.920 constantly go out there and they um go way way into an anti-biblical perspective but act like
00:35:45.460 they're being like super christians and it's like no you're not you're you're ignoring the
00:35:50.160 And it's like some people get addicted.
00:35:51.660 It's like suck a dick.
00:35:53.320 Some people get addicted.
00:35:55.060 Yeah, then fucking deal with that.
00:35:56.940 Get through it.
00:35:57.700 I know.
00:35:58.080 But look, it's – there is no level of alcohol consumption that is healthy.
00:36:05.400 Except probably for your family.
00:36:07.020 I know in my family who drinks alcohol lives way longer than people who don't.
00:36:10.600 It's true.
00:36:10.940 I would say – yeah, I just kind of – yeah, I have to look the other way when it comes to you and your family.
00:36:17.080 To my family?
00:36:18.160 Yeah, your whole bloodline.
00:36:20.160 it's like so important um but anyway whatever you're different you're freakish um hardly
00:36:27.880 hardly human and we're doing steak tonight yes we are steak and fries unless you want your steak
00:36:33.860 hooked us up with tickets to burning man this year it's too late it's already happening you
00:36:39.960 have to understand it is very very difficult to get to burning man i guess there are because i
00:36:45.380 looked at going once i had to write an application to a camp oh yeah oh god well you you could i
00:36:52.600 guess theoretically go i guess you were trying to go with the camp but the you have you couldn't
00:36:57.480 when i went you couldn't go without a camp you first had to be accepted to a camp and then you
00:37:01.620 could go okay wow things changed but you have to drive a very very long way to get in i guess there
00:37:08.340 is a private some later people started taking in private airplanes allegedly i definitely saw
00:37:14.100 people skydive in when i was there but it is extremely difficult um if you're driving from
00:37:21.060 california you need to like maybe spend a night in like tahoe and then you're driving all day
00:37:25.140 long drives through the the desert it's really not fun an extremely small town that is like
00:37:32.100 maybe two hours away from like i guess maybe closer but that town cannot it has no like
00:37:37.820 actual infrastructure. It has like one small shop. Barely any people live there. And then you get
00:37:44.380 there. It is so isolated. It's so hard to get to. So it's not just the expense of attending,
00:37:48.400 not just the expense of hauling in all your own food, all your own water, because there is no
00:37:53.220 buying or selling at Burning Man. The only thing you can buy actually is, I think, water and ice
00:37:56.700 for survival. So you have to bring everything in and everything else that you take is probably
00:38:02.580 going to get ruined. So you have to buy a bike that is just for Burning Man because that bike
00:38:06.720 is going to get ruined by the dust. Everything's going to get ruined. And so that's just, I just
00:38:12.640 don't understand how any normal person, especially any normal young person these days could possibly
00:38:18.040 go. And I bet that that small number, what, 15% of people under 30 who did go were probably going
00:38:24.880 with their parents. I'm going to push back. And I think one of the reasons why so few young people
00:38:29.680 go is not the reason the article says it's not about finances. I think one of the reasons young
00:38:35.880 people go is the demographic that found things like burning man entertaining just didn't have
00:38:41.640 many children and they didn't pass on this desire for this sort of like performative edginess to the
00:38:48.980 next generation that form of performative edginess like obviously you've got our form of performative
00:38:53.880 edginess but it's like you know intellectual out there online we don't need to go around and walk
00:38:59.000 around naked and talk about our fucking chakras okay um but the burning man type uh i think that
00:39:06.200 type of human might just be going extinct um yeah i think so the burning man is definitely seen by
00:39:14.260 those who identify as burners not as a thing you go and do for fun but as a lifestyle you're
00:39:20.500 spending your entire year planning for it you're associated with the community it's a religion it's
00:39:26.300 a surrogate religion um and and the the the burning man portion of it is just the pilgrimage
00:39:32.340 portion of that religion it is not it is just one facet of something much bigger than that
00:39:37.540 and i think the big part of it if you actually just look at it more practically from the
00:39:41.660 perspective of a religion this is a religion with a very low birth rate um that is that is not
00:39:46.520 adapting with the times i mean one of the things so i'll word this we were going to say something
00:39:52.100 Well, one of the other big things is that actually there was this period and we all heard about it when young people were going to Burning Man and it was like the new Coachella and all these influencers were showing up and they were taking pictures.
00:40:04.420 But guess what happened when they went?
00:40:05.740 They got shamed.
00:40:06.720 They got ostracized.
00:40:08.460 They got made fun of.
00:40:09.920 This is even picked up on in the documentary on the Burning Man, like period between 2019 and I don't know.
00:40:17.360 We didn't like young people.
00:40:18.800 Yeah. And so the one wave of people that was like, oh, this is pretty cool. Like, we can do this.
00:40:24.760 We'll go. Got shamed and kind of scared away from it, especially by like the bad severe weather events and stuff.
00:40:33.860 So I think they also flubbed it. It's not just that. It's the fact that when people did try at a different generation and in a different style, because they are a different generation, their style was not allowed.
00:40:45.520 yeah but i think one thing that like i really want to emphasize is in my generation when i hung out
00:40:53.920 was like the effective altruists and the singulaterians and all of these groups that
00:40:58.060 were like this sort of like elite intellectual like we're gonna try like edgy things group
00:41:03.480 for any event or thing that you were going to do or apply to it was incredibly hard to get in
00:41:11.120 There was like a hundred people for every one position today.
00:41:15.400 Every teenager I know who has an interest in these communities gets it.
00:41:20.720 And it's because people born with these sensibilities are just way lower a
00:41:26.460 portion of the population than they were in my generation.
00:41:29.660 And I think it's the same with burners.
00:41:33.980 Yeah. Yeah. And you,
00:41:36.760 you do have to have a high tolerance for like just physical discomfort and heavy socializing,
00:41:43.340 which I think is harder for people now post social media. We don't hang out in person as
00:41:48.580 much. So the idea of hanging out. Yeah. I mean, I'd like to go in there and purify it. Right.
00:41:52.820 We got, we got flamethrowers. We got a little crusade going on. There is that there, there's
00:41:58.560 all these, there's lots of flamethrowers. Yeah. But they're not, they're not using them in the
00:42:02.380 right way no yeah it's just a marching band where all of the instruments are on fire but also
00:42:10.100 functional it's not not the way you would want i guess but yeah it's anyway drive action like
00:42:20.060 at the end you just like drive into burning man was like an actual killdozer was like flame
00:42:24.840 servers attached driving through the tents just like it would take it would take so long for
00:42:31.460 anyone to be able to respond to that um you would be able to if you were just going to go out
00:42:36.640 don't do that there are innocent people in these tents actually one thing that did happen that
00:42:43.540 really freaked me out i think i can't remember exactly what the details were but it it won
00:42:48.160 of the really early events and this is why they had to build up all of these in this infrastructure
00:42:53.980 and all this safety is that someone did get like crazy drunk and they drove through um some tents
00:43:01.700 and one of them i think had two kids in it or something the kids ended up okay it's okay
00:43:05.920 someone else died um but not the kids because i can't nothing bad could happen to kids they were
00:43:09.620 okay but like still it is it is not a it's it can be a dangerous place and they've actually had to
00:43:15.460 do so much to make it safe and that is also very difficult like they have these rangers who are
00:43:21.060 constantly going across the playa trying to find anyone who might be overdosing all this stuff
00:43:25.660 happens um because people don't know what they're taking out there things go hard so it's it's such
00:43:32.260 a difficult and i again i get why only old people are showing up now because like how are you going
00:43:38.020 to get young people to govern an event that involves being responsible for keeping all these
00:43:45.480 people alive you just rather be a streamer like if you're going into this world just be a streamer
00:43:52.640 well i do think that there is a group of people that just wants to feel something
00:43:58.160 be a streamer no no it's it's not there is something different when you uh experience
00:44:05.580 something physically it's it's true you can't like have exactly the same experience i disagree
00:44:10.380 streaming is way more way more i think i think that's boomer talk right there physical experiences
00:44:15.340 what are you talking about oh look i don't want them i i know that physical experiences are
00:44:20.000 different and i think that they're worse i do not like them anywhere near as much uh so
00:44:24.700 i'm not saying love you simon
00:44:27.560 i love you too i hope that people find the communities they need outside of burning man
00:44:34.080 because it doesn't look like as they slowly go expect it's sad it but it's cool that it happened
00:44:42.580 i'm glad it happened you can't sleep and i don't know what's happening either but hopefully steak
00:44:47.600 and fries will bring you back to life we will yeah i'd like to try to go to bed early today
00:44:51.740 then i will um prioritize that instead of waiting to wrangle the kids in they're so resistant but
00:45:00.840 also like would you blame them when you could see our yard and how freaking pretty it is out there
00:45:05.640 like i can't take them in you know they're i'm like it's so much prettier than my yards growing
00:45:09.960 up even though they're so much like bigger and supposedly nicer all manicured and stuff yeah
00:45:14.260 whereas like if you walk around i really need to just have people like sign a release form
00:45:17.900 when they come to our house like have you had your tetanus shots are you you know do you need
00:45:23.740 are you ready to screen for lyme disease are you allergic to mosquito bites can you handle dog bites
00:45:30.720 um are you do you have antibiotics on hand in case i don't know you like swallow some
00:45:37.820 chicken poop while they fly around you anyway the kids love it and i i've just given up on
00:45:44.460 telling them to come in i just let them play outside and when they're ready to come in they
00:45:47.600 come in and i can just see them out there playing and i can't i can't i can't i can't say no i can't
00:45:55.720 well you've got to get to sleep earlier yourself sweetheart well that's why we need to buy kid
00:46:00.680 whips i will buy a regular they're brightly colored they're paw patrol themed are they are
00:46:06.600 they real no i i'm sure in china somewhere there's a i'm sure there's a paw patrol themed whip hold
00:46:12.540 on patrol themed whip i'm just getting birthday cakes oh because it's it's whipped cream oh please
00:46:23.540 people come on come on i'm sure no streamers well you know what where there's a will there's a way
00:46:33.160 where there's a whip there's a way where there's a i'm sure i swear to you i mean like the things
00:46:38.360 you'll randomly see where there's a whip there's no way you should look it up it's the from the
00:46:43.240 original cartoon version of lord of the rings they didn't look like orcs in that they looked
00:46:48.940 like deformed hobbits oh well weren't orcs just deformed elves is that just like yeah i mean
00:46:55.100 they look nothing like the orcs that you think of today well look everyone's allowed to have their
00:47:02.880 own artistic oh for yeah they look like frog people with lizard eyes what's yeah right is
00:47:10.900 before there was a common understanding of what an orc should look like there's a way
00:47:15.700 where there's a whip there's a way oh there's yeah i haven't watched the movie because i tried
00:47:24.440 to watch it as a kid and it was too ugly for me as you know i cannot i cannot i can only watch
00:47:29.920 she like attractive people she drives through poor neighborhoods not because she sympathizes
00:47:35.120 emphasizes for them it's i do but also they're ugly um the neighborhoods are not the people per
00:47:41.520 se um and so what i brought you into the life of beauty yes thank you okay well let's get started
00:47:50.480 here i have no idea what you found i have no idea what you're gonna go on about
00:47:55.280 oh i didn't even see the title i didn't realize we were doing mine
00:47:58.960 okay that's great um i was gonna do a little i had a little bit more to it i was maybe gonna
00:48:06.700 suggest we do the aztec one or because basically i just go through like the 1930s okay well then
00:48:11.660 do the aztec one okay you want to do that yeah you i thought you wanted to do your burning man
00:48:16.540 one first okay right but the kid it just fell asleep and you always want to do yours right
00:48:21.580 after no no he'll be he'll be down he was he didn't fall asleep at all but no we'll do uh
00:48:26.520 I mean, so I can do mine. Let's do mine. Okay. From a, from a strategy perspective,
00:48:30.580 I wanted to ask, um, if you think with the masturbation one, I basically start off from
00:48:35.560 the beginning. I mean, after the teaser, which I know has to be good. Um, I start off with
00:48:42.080 the history of people's views on masturbation, like before Christianity and then Christianity
00:48:48.560 and like the dogma of it. Like, is this sinful? Let's actually talk about whether it's sinful
00:48:53.280 or not because we all know it's not going to like make you sick if you masturbate um and then
00:48:58.080 i get into the two waves of anti-masturbation fear and also like where did this the blindness
00:49:05.420 stuff so the thing you really need to look up which i almost am certain you're going to be
00:49:09.880 overly loose on in your research okay is one uh all of the anti-masturbation uh the sort of
00:49:17.860 commandments or whatever before the two waves um yeah no i have the whole i have the whole thing
00:49:23.960 and like where they stand in terms of even like where medieval priests sort of ranked it in terms
00:49:29.180 of punishments um like how many days of penance you'd have for like masturbation versus other
00:49:34.440 things so i have that all in there okay what i'm lacking on is basically what happens after kellogg
00:49:39.780 because he was um and i thought like maybe it would be good to like put a little cap on it
00:49:46.360 all at the end with like look compare that to anti-masturbation movements today and you're
00:49:50.720 gonna have to discover oh my god this is actually still the same thing I'm being so dumb I need to
00:49:55.280 stop this right now and I thought that would be a good place to finish it because if I'm just
00:49:58.680 finishing with like Kellogg was crazy people won't realize that it's the same freaking stuff today
00:50:03.780 um and I I realized just like while I was wrapping the research up that I should probably do that
00:50:09.760 but kellogg was i can't oh it's actually crazy well and he's the one who convinced the mormons
00:50:18.180 to go crazy on this he was also
00:50:20.160 like there had to be a sex thing going on with him um like his whole like some weird fetish it
00:50:31.700 was like the hard the hardest core edging in the entire world on on his honeymoon because he had a
00:50:38.600 celibate marriage he wrote a whole book on like how masturbation was bad okay um he wrote the
00:50:44.960 book on how masturbation is bad on his honeymoon hot and steamy no i swear his whole life was
00:50:50.320 edging because it was that it wasn't just that after like this one visit to sweden he he adds
00:50:56.660 to his um health resort um a mechanical room that had machines that would vibrate you and slap you
00:51:07.040 and beat you and you had to go to this room every day to get beaten by the machine
00:51:14.520 jiggle you but you're not going to feel hot at all um and uh he he encouraged people to wear
00:51:23.520 cages that like if you started to get an erection like your penis would move towards spikes inside
00:51:28.540 the cage i mean this is like bdsm yeah that's just bdsm i know it's so funny and then also
00:51:36.820 he was really into butt stuff enemas super obsessed with enemas he used special devices
00:51:43.660 that could get 15 quarts through you in a minute he was all into like it wasn't just an enema it
00:51:50.920 was like we're gonna do salt water we're gonna do buttermilk we're gonna do plain milk we're
00:51:55.180 gonna do yogurt we're gonna do all the stuff's going right up there i just can't understand a
00:52:01.680 celibate marriage like signing up for that i'm i think it was it was like it was edging like for i
00:52:07.900 i think i mean i i truly think that he was a devout seventh day adventist who was like genuinely
00:52:13.460 like very he believed it but i think that he had very like deeply internally
00:52:20.380 something deep sexually inside him that was extremely gratified by the denial of sexual
00:52:27.400 pleasure that like by the way for people who are wondering why i mentioned that like he's the one
00:52:32.760 who incepted mormonism was this if you look up mormonism before him um there's none of this
00:52:38.280 like master no masturbation at all stuff um that all came about in that like the 1910s to the 1920s
00:52:45.600 with was him before this it was like don't see prostitutes which is reasonable which is reasonable
00:52:51.540 like financial budgeting standpoint don't gamble like don't buy stuff you don't need no it wasn't
00:52:56.640 even don't see prostitutes it was don't see prostitutes instead of going on your mission
00:53:00.520 and somehow that became yeah that became all masturbation is bad yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:53:08.200 yeah anyway um iterative prophecy will do that to you i mean there's so many benefits to it
00:53:15.240 because they were able to correct for a lot of stuff that looks really bad today but like at the
00:53:18.920 same time anyway so i i would like to put a little bow on that because people are just gonna see him
00:53:24.140 and be like, well, I'm not like that.
00:53:26.400 I mean, I just, for reasonable reasons, don't fap.
00:53:30.520 Not that I'm encouraging people to.
00:53:34.260 No, but it's important to know
00:53:35.840 where a lot of these like manias occurred in our culture
00:53:38.940 and became popularized
00:53:40.260 and that they just were not big concerns before this.
00:53:43.740 Yeah, in fact, that the primary driver
00:53:47.340 I'm going to argue on my podcast is profit motive.
00:53:51.540 It's a bunch of charlatans selling you things.
00:53:54.140 and not actually any sort of grounded concern about health and safety so but yeah there's
00:54:02.360 there's a lot of weird stuff about jizz in it um there's a lot of well we'll get to that one later
00:54:07.920 i'll start with mine today which i think people gonna love yeah it's it's very it's a perfect
00:54:14.360 labor day episode because that is it's happening now they're out there they're on the playa
00:54:20.780 they're pedaling their art bikes they're riding in the cars sorry for what we were talking about
00:54:26.480 here we actually do a lot of research on our episodes for people who are unaware of this like
00:54:30.660 we put in an obscene amount of of effort like we we do not talk from the cuff on our episodes
00:54:37.000 um and we even like we'll go over episodes with each other and we'll be like you just don't have
00:54:43.020 enough data yet you know you need more if we're going to talk on this particular subject but they
00:54:49.120 love they love to be like no so someone was uh complaining on x that like well i i like to avoid
00:54:55.840 the collinses because i feel like they're just rehashing other people's ideas i'm like
00:55:00.060 what are you talking about like first technical puritanism but then like second
00:55:05.340 where where are you getting the new ideas um on daily podcasts where who's giving you i can't
00:55:13.500 even conceive of what they think are new ideas like yeah well like genuinely what is a new idea
00:55:19.360 we're all standing on the shoulders of giants where is this coming from and and what are i
00:55:23.980 see just going out and did people comment on them on what they had said or um the one comment that
00:55:29.640 i saw was basically like sir i believe everyone is building on other people's ideas um but no
00:55:36.460 this guy apparently he just goes straight to someone in the middle of a psychotic break and
00:55:42.360 interviews them and what do you know he gets a new idea i don't i don't know i don't know where
00:55:49.360 he gets these new ideas i i actually wanted to ask him um because i was genuinely curious
00:55:53.940 but he had blocked my account so of course i'm not allowed to ask him where he gets his new ideas
00:56:01.300 um i shall never know and we will just have to rehash old ideas again today
00:56:06.540 uh there's a lot of people out there who just get uh you know mad when you don't agree with
00:56:13.380 them so there's somebody on our last episode by the way on the topic of mess they were like well
00:56:16.820 you know the the topic of porn addiction is like a real problem it's like just take naltrexone
00:56:20.400 so easy yeah just take naltrexone is it like that's been solved yeah you're welcome you don't
00:56:27.680 even have to you don't even have to buy a cage that hurts your whippy when you get a little stiff
00:56:34.140 it's uh i didn't know those existed and i'm deeply disturbed you'll see the things he
00:56:39.800 actually encouraged to happen to women who had um problems with their sexual appetites was
00:56:46.540 really bad really really messed up but i'll i'll get started okay okay yep right
00:57:04.140 Thank you.