00:03:22.000I show up, they're part for Lee, Joe, they're on the ceiling, they're inflated, great big black women, bouncing around the ceiling, he ain't even like it, Joe.
00:03:33.340I talk to the commissioner, he knows me, every city I go to I know the commissioner.
00:03:38.780They come up to me, it's the police, they're saying it's lone wolf, vigilantes, President Trump, it's not true, it's the mask.
00:03:48.360Joe, they come to me and they say they can't stop him.
00:03:52.680He turns that gun into penises in our hands.
00:03:55.600Have you ever heard such a thing, Joe?
00:03:57.680Stop the inflation of our proud Nubian queens
00:13:22.980The counter would be that my kids are my retirement plan, but I'm just going to treat them like shit and count on them because they must revere me as an authority.
00:13:29.900no I'm going to treat them as the most precious resource I have so because I also don't want to
00:13:35.060be a burden and maybe some people do want to be a burden I don't know yeah yeah I think there's
00:13:39.200some grandparents that want to hang around and just talk shit but I'm like I would never do that
00:13:43.580you can talk about an ideal scenario but I mean if you're looking at what this is very real for
00:13:48.080you and I and for a lot of people in our generation right now it comes down to you know on the one end
00:13:53.340of the extreme you've got guys who never got married but might have at least a little bit
00:13:57.980of money that they can hand back to their parents when their parents get sick. And then you have
00:14:01.780guys who have a little bit of money and it's just enough to raise a family, but they're never going
00:14:06.180to be a penny for their parents. Like me, I'm never going to have a penny for my fucking parents.
00:14:11.960And if I was in their position, I'd be looking at it and be like, which do I prefer? Would I prefer
00:14:18.140my son to have healthy kids or would I prefer my son to pay for my old age home? And I only get
00:14:26.720to pick one and i i shit you not they would say the old age home i know my mom i know if you got
00:14:32.920right up to my mom got in her face and you made her admit she would feel really really pissed
00:14:37.560if i didn't pay for all of her shit because she well why not she paid for me when i was little
00:14:42.680that's what they say they say they kept it telling you well i i raised you i spent money on diapers
00:14:47.800so you owe me diaper money i'm like it's hard when someone says that to you rashly you're like i i
00:14:56.080guess like in the moment but i that doesn't sound right yeah you know what i mean like i don't know
00:15:02.540like maybe that's unfair it's wrong no it's just fucking wrong and i said you know again it's is
00:15:07.040it really these people's fault it's not just them it's the whole culture and it is cross-generational
00:15:11.100so but it's wrong just the fact that everybody doesn't doesn't mean it's okay it's fucking flat
00:15:15.800wrong and it's anti-human you know it's it's anti-life it it will actually result in in resources
00:15:22.380being taken away from the younger generation given to the elder that's what we're watching
00:15:25.260right now it's happening in fucking real time so it's a shame people want to be like i want to
00:15:30.260set up my you know my family to really care about me after i go you could even look at this more
00:15:36.760selfishly i want to leave behind people who want to tend my grave because if you leave a bunch of
00:15:42.300bitter people behind guess what they're letting that that lease expire and you're going to get
00:15:46.820cremated and thrown in the fucking river right you know i mean so you can look at this out like
00:15:51.620no way you slice it does you know not planning for this make any sense and that's what i'm that's
00:15:57.380what we're trying to do that's why we talk in multi-generational plans you know in in land
00:16:03.480that you can bequeath to be and there's still families that do that like we're not the first
00:16:07.100people to think that we're just not part of families that have ever done that all my family
00:16:12.160sold the shit off and now they're going cruises we all have ancestors and i'm sure all of our
00:16:16.500ancestors did this four generations ago it was pretty standard to the extent that our ancestors
00:16:20.760own property because i'm sure a lot of them didn't but uh i think it was a pretty common notion
00:16:25.300prior to uh i don't know industrialization my mother's gonna be like oh do you have money can
00:16:30.700i have a house that i could maybe even a tiny home i say no every penny i have is invested in
00:16:37.100buying tim pool studio yes have you heard this like this isn't even news this is just some shit
00:16:46.680that i love we're watching something that could be a slow motion meltdown but could also just be a
00:16:53.080work i don't know which one it is because tim pool said he was going to close his studio down
00:16:58.060like two days ago and he just hasn't he's just been firing people on air which is a great bit
00:17:03.120but maybe that could be it just a fucking bit like i don't know but uh yeah i think this might
00:17:08.060be the end uh we are we are well off it is not a financial thing we make a lot of money but uh
00:17:13.640But piece by piece, the structure becomes bigger and bigger and bigger until it becomes impossible to manage.
00:17:21.060You know, I'm not I would never call out anybody personally or individually.
00:17:24.940I would just say that, like, compounding laziness.
00:17:33.080For the people who don't know what we're talking about, if you remember Tenet Media, which is Lauren Chen's organization,
00:17:40.120their media company run with her husband was outed to have been funded primarily by russian interests
00:17:48.040a canadian owned social media channel that the u.s justice department alleges is a key
00:17:53.880part of a russian influence scheme is now off youtube youtube says tenant media violated its
00:18:02.280community guidelines tenant media was founded by canadian lauren chen and her husband liam donovan
00:18:08.760last year youtube is also taking down four separate media channels owned by chen um a lot
00:18:15.400of people hear that and think that's just a scare phrase you know oh russia like okay guys i hate
00:18:21.480to say it i know and i've seen this happen in the wild everyone wants to think it's it's just the
00:18:26.920jews right but there is such a thing as china trying to infiltrate there's such there is such
00:18:33.400such a thing as russia being tricky with things there's russia you know russian money flowing
00:18:38.540into certain sectors whether or not you like it i don't give a shit but it is happening right
00:18:43.400yeah so hers was one and uh the word on the street is that tim pool was making something
00:18:50.040to the tune of like a hundred thousand dollars an episode of his podcast the tim pool podcast
00:18:56.840if you've ever seen this you'll probably know it by like wow this is a pod just any podcast like
00:19:02.120any of us could have like ours except imagine blood satellite in a fucking palatial room and
00:19:08.600there's six other people just around yeah you know looking at screens but what the fuck are
00:19:14.140they looking at and then there's just tchotchkes and regalia everywhere and that one room is part
00:19:20.320of a fucking complex that includes like its own coffee shop a skate park like a town unto itself
00:19:28.220and you think wow how did this motherfucker who's just on like promo videos doing a tech deck on his
00:19:34.740keyboard right like what is this what how is this how is this show that popular it actually can't be
00:19:42.260that's kind of the point that's something i wanted to get across i've been talking to people
00:19:47.460about this uh i think it was even on a recent real secret coffee hours um that hasn't come out yet
00:19:55.020I don't think it's one coming out next week, but just to tease that we're talking about the recent, um, expose that was on by Christopher Brunet on the Manhattan Institute, right? I'll give you the very brief sketch of this. It's that Manhattan Institute, which is affiliated with the Claremont Institute.
00:20:13.660we're talking right-wing conservative think tanks there's a lot of names in this bucket but
00:20:19.240it seems to me from just the survey that i've done almost all of them are funded by zionist money
00:20:26.340in some sense even if they're not like something like the blaze is the blaze funded by zionist
00:20:33.240money maybe not but they're funded by a company that is funded by science but like you just it's
00:20:37.200a couple chains removed the proof the actual proof at this point is that there are so many of them
00:20:43.280that if you were to find one that wasn't funded by zionists it wouldn't matter it's just a rounding
00:20:47.580error you know you'd have to discover dozens of them that were not funded by the jews for it to
00:20:54.360even break even 50 50 so it's a it's a foregone conclusion now if you meet somebody who's got a
00:21:00.000bit of scratch came out of nowhere and they suddenly have a great big beautiful operation
00:21:04.660uh jewish money and i'm talking more like you know think tanks intellectual stuff because i
00:21:10.400just mentioned tenant media which is russian i don't know if that's jewish as well let's just
00:21:14.320assume it's russian but like the the mainstream successful think tanks and then there's the daily
00:21:21.100caller obviously but then there's a lot of these other networks and people will say well why why
00:21:25.920is that the case and i would argue that it's for an organization a network or a think tank to be
00:21:34.760successful period, you need dark money. And by dark money, I don't mean evil money. I just mean
00:21:40.980angel investors, private equity, people that you don't really know. You might know them if you're
00:21:46.800up in that strata, but what they don't make most of their revenue from is subscriptions.
00:21:52.760I don't think there's a single, and this is something I've seen just from guys in our space
00:21:57.900that have attempted to start their own network and they've struggled with it. And they say,
00:22:03.060we just can't make the numbers work what are we doing wrong and to them i'd say well you're not
00:22:07.800actually doing anything wrong what you're trying to do though is do it honestly you're trying i'm
00:22:11.700going to start now get some guys together get an infrastructure make it easy for people to donate
00:22:15.640all the arguments you would have for network but um the no network makes its money from
00:22:21.380subscriptions just like newspapers they get some they might get halfway there but
00:22:25.060the lights are kept on from private investment that's guaranteed and some and this will sound
00:22:31.740like music to the ears of the elite theorists who say like of course it's patrons we need patrons
00:22:37.440we've been saying that and i say yes i agree but don't be so excited to jump into the pockets of
00:22:45.820these hypothetical billionaires who are just excited to give you money like you're thinking
00:22:50.400oh i'm going to find a guy who's going to get me to get my message out there i'm like
00:22:53.380you need to think like an investor and judas you'll understand this because
00:22:57.480I was just going to say, that's the cinch right there.
00:23:02.480As you say, I just need to get somebody to give me the money so I can get my message out there.
00:23:05.160No, no, no. Not your message. Get his message out there.
00:23:11.640If you're lucky. On a really beautiful, sunny Friday.
00:23:14.520But most of the time, it's whoever has the money is the one making the calls.
00:23:19.200Anyone who has the leverage and influence and power to do what you want,
00:23:24.740they will understand this thing that a lot of people in our space might not be familiar with but
00:23:29.780it's something called roi you might have heard it before what does roi mean it means return on
00:23:35.020investment no one just gives you fucking money no one gives you anything that sounds libertarian i
00:23:41.760know but it's actually how things fucking work so if someone is giving you money for free and it's
00:23:49.040just wow they like what i do and they give me free money that's how that's how the fucking
00:23:53.140patrons of the past said no they're buying you and they want something from you later anyone who's
00:23:59.600ever dealt with a criminal or a mob boss knows that you don't just get fucking favors so by you
00:24:06.140wanting to jump into the pocket of private equity sure that might help you now but you're going to
00:24:11.200be pushing some kind of message later and odds are based on what we've seen it will be a pro
00:24:17.640zionist message or at the very least avoiding criticisms of israel and this is why across the
00:24:24.080board so many organizations won't touch these topics and that is what it is and i don't think
00:24:30.300that if anyone says that's a conspiracy theory that's dollars and fucking cents if you think
00:24:35.680about it it is a great i mean it's what i would be doing if i were them you say here are guys who
00:24:40.040are center right maybe even on the cusp of the dissident right and we don't need you to stop
00:24:45.860any of the shit you're doing you can be as racist as you want you can be as rude as you want
00:24:50.300you can call kamala a communist and you can you know whatever the fuck but we just want to make
00:24:57.080sure there's no anti-semitism we're not we're not you know we just anti-semitism is where we draw
00:25:02.480the line that's all that's all that's all just say what you said one just the one thing one thing
00:25:06.240we just draw the line in anti-semitism but what does that do especially when you got guys that
00:25:10.820are this big that creates a space where you're capturing everybody who you know you're mainstreaming
00:25:17.100these views but you're separating all of our genuinely held views from anti-semitism when in
00:25:23.700reality most of these dissident views have their roots in what would otherwise be called anti-semitism
00:25:29.960not because we're just anti-semitic but because this is all related you know what i mean it's like
00:25:34.920you want to talk about how fucked up the canadian health care system is and the canadian education
00:25:38.280system is but the one thing is just don't criticize the government we got friends and
00:25:41.800guys don't criticize the government how can you not they're all fucking related dude it's not
00:25:45.980imagine if this because some people will hear this and they'll say well aren't you tired of
00:25:50.620complaining about the jews or haven't we been through the rigmarole and i'd say okay well let's
00:25:54.980just reframe this for a second what if you did the exact same deal with a patron and they said
00:26:00.900you can talk about whatever you want but here's just do me a favor just one thing a little you
00:26:05.740know finicky thing just don't complain about marxism don't complain about communism you
00:26:12.900would say well that's suspicious you must be a communist right and then wouldn't you want to
00:26:17.760talk about that transaction yeah that would be an interesting story so anyway that's just
00:26:23.520why i bring it up and you know i was just pleading with god screaming at the sky i'm like can we have
00:26:29.940one one no mainstream organization that just isn't funded by jewish money i just want one
00:26:37.820for is there a white man in america who has money who would be willing to of course because they
00:26:45.420would spend their money on investing in something that has a return on investment like they you know
00:26:49.100what i mean i don't know like but it's just i'm pleading i'm like the closest you get is like
00:26:53.380peter teal i don't think he's jewish he is gay and insane but that's why people got so excited
00:26:59.280appeared to you i'm like okay let me amend my request can he can he also be straight i know
00:27:05.560that sounds unreasonable can a straight white man fund a single fucking organization that
00:27:14.440pushes a political message yeah and maybe there are like maybe there's some some christian ones
00:27:19.560i'm sure but like of the ones that like the biggest ones and the ones like most of them
00:27:24.360would bow to the claremont institute the claremont institute sits at the top of the pile
00:27:29.120you see what i'm saying so there's probably like i know there's so many right-wing think tanks i
00:27:34.260know there's a lot of people who are probably got some names of of like uh elaine de benoise uh
00:27:41.740the one in greece and all these other ones but like i've i've followed up on them a lot of these
00:27:47.520true right-wing think tanks they just shut down like they don't exist and before that it was two
00:27:54.300guys in a room so yes they do exist i i admit that they existed maybe even for 10 15 years but
00:28:01.300they weren't anything and they're fucking dead now and they just don't respond to emails because
00:28:05.560i've tried to get in touch with them just to just to get a story out of them so like we're talking
00:28:10.740about the ones that really you know pressure people to you know anyway it's not a drama thing
00:28:18.180There's kind of a funny, I guess it's an irony, but it's not just that this is where the money is coming from, that it's coming from Zionists and not from red-blooded Americans.
00:28:31.180But it's also, like you mentioned, a lot of white guys who do have that kind of money, they'd rather invest in a company with real ROI, like actual, they want to get their money back.
00:28:42.020They're not using it necessarily as a platform to spread a message, they want their money back.
00:28:45.580And isn't it funny that all of the spheres where our guys want to start, quote unquote, projects is like, we're going to do a media company.
00:28:54.820We're going to a publishing company. We're going to host events. We're going to have a think tank.
00:28:58.640We're going to do a documentary. We're going to do a webcast or a podcast or a series.
00:29:02.680Or it's like we were joking about in the chat, like, why don't we start a garment factory?
00:29:07.240you know why don't we like just using x factory like as canadians let's reshore any one of a
00:29:14.140thousand injuries in industries that have been stripped away by asia let's do that there's ways
00:29:20.300to there's all kinds of ways to do that and that's the way you can actually make money and guess what
00:29:24.200the people who are out there with money who are interested in those investments are not jewish
00:29:31.080they're not because they're this you know what i mean it's a totally different portfolio
00:29:35.520it's old old white boomers are interested in boutique manufacturing in their hometown rich
00:29:43.080jews are interested in multinational media conglomerates like knock your head on a wall
00:29:48.420and and understand this and and writing articles like are we putting the woke away this time
00:29:54.580is 2025 the year nobody is interested in funding that if they're not jewish i i don't i can't even
00:30:00.240And honestly, I can't imagine a rich guy who I would get along with who would look at that investment portfolio versus manufacturing.
00:30:09.240Show your pitch written down to that type of guy who puts on his glasses, lowers them down the bridge of his nose, tilts his head back.
00:47:43.680You'll pay more for labor, but you'll have a superior product and a better service.
00:47:47.360And what we are searching for is if there is a reason, tell me what the reason is, because there's very simple arithmetic to how these businesses look from the bird's eye view from 10,000, which is like, okay, you have a resource, you have a talent pool, that plus syrup capital, eat plus marketing equals profit.
00:48:08.100like if if it is the case that we have this untapped pool this all these great brilliant
00:48:14.720white men who aren't getting work then someone's got to tell me what is it just we're lazy i think
00:48:19.560that's what it is or maybe there if there's some law tell me what the law is but it seems obvious
00:48:24.100that if we want to talk all day about how good white men are then why you know i mean like it's
00:48:30.760i can only blame us i can only blame the people who who talk about reshoring but don't reshor
00:48:36.680well you know or something like you know and i was saying to you when we talked with this the
00:48:40.160other day like i blame i blame us but i blame you and i specifically more well i mean i blame
00:48:46.200maybe i blame i blame you mostly i think i think i think it's you the reason i say that is because
00:48:53.460we i look i don't listen to other podcasts so i don't know but i feel like we talk about this
00:48:58.280we've been talking about it for years and it's been accelerating over the summer because all
00:49:01.680the shit with bap and whoever else but if we are the mouthy ones who are always saying that this
00:49:07.860is how it ought to be we need to you and i need to be the guys to actually do it you and i have
00:49:13.040to be the guys to actually start something draw people to it and then when it when it succeeds or
00:49:17.520fails we can point at it and say that's how you do it or that's how you don't do it but um because
00:49:22.480the thing is is you i can talk all you know till i'm blue in the face about we need money for real
00:49:27.260projects but there aren't any like there's literally not a single one i'm floating like
00:49:30.960hypothetical ideas but i'm not i haven't even you know i i am doing my own thing in real life but
00:49:35.660i'm not anywhere near doxing myself to put it out there so it's never going to enter the sphere
00:49:39.240until i'm financially secure i don't like to claim these as you know any sort of proprietary thing
00:49:45.560because to me ideas are worthless yeah worthless but like this is what we're saying there's too
00:49:51.040many ideas guys in the scene and i'm not trying to say that that's just our space ideas to be free
00:49:55.660there's too many ideas guys everywhere there's too many ideas guys in every industry everywhere
00:50:29.320of five guys who work really really well together and trust each other and you're not just hired
00:50:34.980guns like some of these startups are but like i'll invest in because what i'm investing is is that
00:50:39.140crew because the idea is going to change it's going to morph it's going to mutate and if i trust
00:50:43.860you to stay with that that is more valuable than a great hypothetical idea you know what i mean
00:50:49.500so that's how i i like to think about it with with people and but there's so many ideas guys
00:50:54.360And so the ideas that we have would be, you know, there is a list that you could make of businesses, like boring businesses, businesses that aren't sexy media companies.
00:51:06.280It's not it's not AI. It's not quantum computing. It's not any of that.
00:51:10.700But it's something, you know, the opportunity was revealed during the flood in Asheville.
00:51:16.740And I think you were turned on to this because I linked it to you, but it was a Christopher Sandbatch, who we both know.
00:51:21.340he was um in one of his his rare non-poetic and non-hostile posts was saying like look i'm on the
00:51:31.100ground in the area here's what they could use right now and he's like drone delivery services
00:51:36.660drone delivery is fucked amazon controls everything if you had a private drone delivery service that
00:51:42.860could like be agile enough to tend to these regions i'm like that that just doesn't exist
00:51:48.960So I'm like, you know what, like I've worked with a client in the past that was a drone company.
00:51:53.960And his whole thing was he just had a few drones, very, very expensive drones, but he would, you know, sell them out to, you know, national parks and just camps and everything.
00:52:06.180So they could take footage of things or just scan and whatever.
00:52:10.120But, you know, there's not a lot of, you know, independent drone delivery services, but there's industries that could be mildly profitable in the short term.
00:52:17.860but long-term there's something you'd want to get ahead of if shit were to hit the fan if something
00:52:24.000were to go cataclysmically wrong in canada and the infrastructure was damaged wouldn't it be great
00:52:29.880if there were some uh businesses or organizations that were friendly to us that could do things like
00:52:35.840agile drone delivery or i don't know fucking a different type of um home construction you know
00:52:46.340But there's businesses that are smaller.
00:52:48.960But if you can make a list of things that you think would be valuable in a shit hits the fan, competency crisis situation, and get ahead of it.
01:40:21.840I was reading about this, not to interrupt, but I was reading about
01:40:24.800this recently and the huge upsurge in clan membership right at the end of the civil war
01:40:30.640and it was all in that area it was almost like a continuation of the civil war after it had ended
01:40:36.840where they were going around at night and a lot of the people that they were lynching or killing
01:40:40.880were white sympathizers it wasn't even a racial thing it was a cultural thing it's like you've
01:40:46.400destroyed what we consider our nation and now we're uh we're essentially a guerrilla fifth
01:40:51.740column and we're going to terrorize your families never mind race we fucking hate yankees yeah well
01:40:57.280if you look at the history of lynching and many people have talked about this before just like oh
01:41:01.100did you know that whites were slaves too most of the lynchings like at least half of them were
01:41:06.020whites uh and it wasn't sometimes even for racial grounds it's like other degenerate acts or you
01:41:11.820know a whole litany of reasons where where you didn't you didn't have the fucking cia not really
01:41:17.580So you had more highwaymen, you had more just these decentralized, that's why you still had sheriffs, you still have them now, but you really had these decentralized police forces.
01:41:28.160So this was kind of a different version of that.
01:41:30.340But even back then, he was saying the mere possession of a Klan robe was punishable by death in these areas.
01:41:35.760Yet the Klan was state by state, quietly overthrowing Black Reconstruction governments.
01:41:40.580he goes on he says the reborn knights of the ku klux land of the 1920s much like the clan of
01:41:47.180reconstruction had a membership that included the most educated and prominent elements of society
01:41:52.280but this time of both north and the south in its heyday its successful recruitment strategy was to
01:41:59.240enlist the leaders of the community in business education politics and the church compared to
01:42:05.320the reconstruction clan which had no anti-catholic bias and had some entirely catholic units the clan
01:42:11.780of the 20s capitalized on the fear of the protestant clergy and became sort of an anti-catholic
01:42:17.420movement but it wasn't always in the third era of the clan so there's three in total really
01:42:23.020third era of the clan was the 50s and the 60s protestants still dominated the clan in the
01:42:28.460largely non-catholic south but the most of the clan groups discarded anti-catholicism and saw
01:56:58.140I know we gotta wrap up soon so I'll just keep it going
01:56:59.880It says, at the fall of 72, clan groups around America had dwindled to shadows of what they once were.
01:57:05.180I contacted James Lindsay and proposed that we completely modernize the clan.
01:57:09.220My concept did not mean that we would moderate the beliefs, but that we would deepen them with greater racial and scientific understanding.
01:57:16.180We would build upon its traditions to create a modern social movement.
01:57:19.760To me, that meant building the clan into a political machine to change men's minds.
01:57:24.500It would be a literate clan that would meet in the hotel conference rooms as well as in farmers' fields.
01:57:29.880the big cities as well as the villages the colleges as well as the factories the clan had
01:57:34.040to be recreated like the original movement led by knowledgeable and honorable men this was my
01:57:39.480vision so he kind of came back later as it was already decimated and tried to relaunch it again
01:57:48.200like he says here the the media had carefully created an image of the clan as violent ignorant
01:57:52.920and hateful to overcome that image we stress to every member that he had to be super legal with
01:57:58.200the responsibility to stay out of trouble not only for the sake of his own well-being
01:58:02.200but also for his brothers i took part in debates at the lsu number with a number of professors
01:58:09.880he says he was uh charging money for around 1200 for speeches they put that right into
01:58:15.400funding funding a printing press and i bought a used printing press and a plate maker and learned
01:58:20.120to print soon i printed at very low cost the thousands of leaflets we distributed as well
01:58:25.080as our monthly newsletter then called the clan action report later renamed to the crusader
01:58:31.720at the same time chloe and i were the sole managers of the daycare center we'd started
01:58:37.160at the baptist church but luckily she did almost everything that the center needed
01:58:41.160so there you get an idea of like starting interior businesses to fund this main thing
01:58:48.920and so you know he eventually breaks off from the clan and we can end it here and he says
02:01:40.060It does seem like if you were to start something like this right now, something analogous to the KKK, and this is what we talk about all the time on the show, which is how could you avoid something like this becoming a cartel, right?
02:01:57.380How could you, because there's so many young men who would join an organization like this.
02:07:01.220So we called it Diagalon because it went in a diagonal line.
02:07:04.120and uh it just ran away with itself from there right like that's how the lore and everything
02:07:09.960started yeah it's been growing pretty considerably like to my view dagelon is
02:07:17.340maybe i'm biased just because of the political waters i swim in but it seems to be like the
02:07:22.300largest and most successful movement like this in canada this sort of it's not even a it's not a
02:07:28.940party it's not even explicitly political group but it is something it seems to be growing the
02:07:34.900fastest would you agree with that it's definitely garnering the most attention um it's a strange
02:07:43.080thing to think that we influence politics in canada because we've done things and the way they
02:07:49.480portray us from the liberals like we'll go through a lull where we don't get that much
02:07:54.360attention then the liberal party in canada will tweet something from our podcast
02:07:57.860really that's not necessarily the prime minister doing it but that's a liberal party of canada
02:08:04.440this that's you know the party that's in power right now is tweeting about us and it was at the
02:08:11.420last time they did i think they tweeted something we said about pierre how we don't respect him and
02:08:16.440you know we can force him to do what we want if we put pressure on him and
02:08:20.040actually it was kind of a flattering post they made for us i just shared it
02:08:23.580so i was gonna say before we get started what's your take on all that because i was thinking
02:08:31.020about this before we went live about how you know there's some people in our spaces or jason to us
02:08:37.300who've kind of gotten on the poly bandwagon because it seems to me like a sure thing that
02:08:43.600he's going to win not because polyev is particularly good it's just the greatest
02:08:50.220enemy of trudeau seems to be trudeau and lowest approval ratings i think we've seen
02:08:55.260for any sitting prime minister so it's like it seems like it's going to happen he just happens
02:09:00.440to be there um i'm wondering what do you do you think there's a better a better horizon with
02:09:08.580polly of their versus trudeau or do you think it's going to be pretty much the same
02:09:12.160i think it'll be worse because he won't be able to move the objective any further to the right
02:09:18.320he won't be able to espouse any conservative values or anything he'll spend the entire time
02:09:22.120on his heels being attacked for things that he's trying to do i agree with that i made a comment
02:09:28.900on the show and some people disagree with it but uh i said we're somewhat blessed that trudeau
02:09:35.480is as inept as he is and i don't think it's any sort of machiavellian scheme i actually do think
02:09:41.260he's quite stupid but i'm like it's kind of good having a stupid guy which that affords us some
02:09:47.880breathing room but i don't know like polyev he seems competent enough to you know be a both be
02:09:55.320a problem but also spend his entire time proving how like us he isn't and like most conservatives
02:10:03.220they will spend all their ammunition just attacking us whereas trudeau the liberals might
02:10:08.180ignore us i'm not even counting myself in dialogue but kind of this space yeah it's uh
02:10:15.080it's a fun thing to watch isn't it like what what exactly are you voting for if you vote for pierre
02:10:20.480you're voting because he's not trudeau exactly you can't vote for jagmeet because he's part of
02:10:26.980the coalition so that option is out it's just like by default we're going to go with conservative
02:10:31.200because and what are his major policies he's not slowing down immigration he's not going against
02:10:37.120the century initiative he's not going to lower taxes he might axe the tax of carbon tax but it's
02:10:42.200a lot like doug ford when he got it right if you look at ontario as a microcosm of what would
02:10:47.320happen on the bigger scale of canada because it's the most populated province he got in with a
02:10:51.720super majority because the liberals were doing so bad kathleen wynn and dalton mcginty back to back
02:10:56.600with their back gas plant scandal um cap and trade and benjamin levin was the uh board of
02:11:06.400directors for school and he was the one who started with this gender theory shit um i don't
02:11:12.200know if you remember that back then uh benjamin levin wrote the school curriculum that introduced
02:11:16.880the unicorn the gender unicorn and the gender bread man and all that weird shit i remember the
02:11:22.820gender bread man yeah jesus christ that's that's a trip down memory lane yeah so it was benjamin
02:11:28.660levin under kathleen wind's government that that stuff got put in and people had had enough of it
02:11:33.820So Doug Ford stood up and said, I'm going to go against the school, the cap of trade, and there was something else I think he said that he was going to do, but none of those things happened.
02:11:45.860There's nothing stopping him from doing that.
02:11:48.160It's not like the liberals plus the NDP, if they made a coalition, they still wouldn't have enough to stop anything he wanted to put through.
02:12:01.120I'm just going to call out a couple of comments here that raise good points. We've got We the Resistance who says Pierre said he will double immigration. That sounds like something he would do as long as it's done legally. We also have Biscuits and Coffee here saying Polyev even criticized Trudeau for not addressing the immigration backlog, meaning there's not enough.
02:12:45.020That's why I've never been on the Pollywood bandwagon.
02:12:48.580The only benefit that I could see, and this is a big reach, would be that Pauliev gets in, the Liberals are just humiliated for a few years, which opens a window for the PPC, the People's Party of Canada to do something interesting.
02:13:04.020Maybe Maxime Bernier, because all the PPC really is, it's a party around this one personality, like the NDP, was it Jack Layton for a while?
02:13:47.200Yeah, a lot of us, we're kind of focus grouping a lot of these ideas that they will wait for us to see what kind of pushback do they get? Is this something, for example, the Canada Anti-Hate Network pounces on? If not, maybe, you know, because the Canadian, the CAHN, we've discussed them a few times in the past.
02:14:06.200and um i've had some friends who are members of various groups across canada who actually fell
02:14:11.720in the crosshairs the gahn and you realize this is just like three guys in a fucking apartment
02:14:18.160in ottawa like it's it's not the splc it's like they're not terribly competent and like their
02:14:25.440entire board is like eight people and then three of them are real so it's like they can't do much
02:14:31.080But that's not the real enemies that we have. And I guess that could be a segue into the real meat of this, which is your book, Meme Comp, which is available on the Grift Shop, which is the Raging Dissident and affiliate store.
02:14:47.160um and i guess we start with two things one um how did you come to be in the diagonal movement
02:14:56.160as you know unofficial and disorganized as it may be and two you know what's the history of
02:15:02.220how that relates to meme comp and the trucker protest and everything yeah it all kind of ties
02:15:07.940in together i guess i mean me and jeremy have known each other since 2018 possibly even 17 but
02:19:17.300and then the RCMP are looking at each other
02:19:19.740like uh i guess we got to look in the diagonal what's going on they had no idea what's going on
02:19:25.000but they're saying they're getting it from credible sources so anti-hate says it politicians
02:19:31.100repeats it rcmp has to look into it and when the rcp i think they said something very small like
02:19:39.740yeah there's a loose-knit group blah blah blah like oh yeah see there you go that means they're
02:19:44.520terrorists yeah it's based on nothing and we had done a live stream many months ago where we
02:19:49.960looked into hate game we did a whole went through the canada anti-hate network website and we
02:19:54.420reviewed uh the pdf that was written um as in as much detail as we could and that's how we came to
02:20:01.480conclusion like no one should take the canada anti-hate network seriously like they're a
02:20:06.280fucking joke if you look at their formation like you said it's puzzling how any of this is taken
02:20:11.820seriously but still a broken fucking telephone game that makes its way to the rcmp it's like
02:20:16.260what huh the it sounds like a real organization it's it's not it's one weird old guy who like
02:20:23.560sends fucking emails and like i said i've had friends who've fallen under the microscope and
02:20:28.240they sent them an email saying we got leaked documents that you were in this group and
02:20:32.400it turns out some of the time you can actually just fucking ignore them yeah and and they go
02:20:37.700wait not in the case of you guys obviously but i'm like these these motherfuckers are a joke and
02:20:42.720it really gets me riled up when i talk about what ends up happening is you end up looking at it
02:20:47.460yourself sharing commenting or liking or doing something which causes all your followers to
02:20:52.460watch and it just snowballs and actually we find if you just ignore it now really doesn't get that
02:20:56.540much traction it was actually us that were giving them more traction oh i agree completely and um
02:21:03.400I guess that will kind of dovetail into the next part, which is the book.
02:21:07.200And you've got a fascinating little description here.
02:21:11.740I was going to read this from your site.
02:21:13.160It says, over the past few years, my attention has been wholly directed towards observing and listening to the intelligence community in Canada,
02:21:21.000comprehending how they interact with Canadians, identifying the sources of their cues, acknowledging their mistakes,
02:21:26.980interpreting intentional action, and even finding myself involved in one of their investigations.
02:21:31.800And the reason I really wanted to focus on this is because it's of interest to the things that we've discussed on the show before.
02:21:38.940We've discussed the work of Sam Cooper, who runs the Bureau.
02:21:42.920He had this book, Willful Blindness, which is about, you know, the the ineptitude of ceases, either purposefully or just through ineptitude of ignoring the Chinese Communist Party presence, especially on the West Coast.
02:21:56.460but there's a lot of stories that can be said about the rcmp about csis and i'm just fascinated
02:22:05.060with the intelligence community in canada and i can't think of anyone better to ask than you
02:22:09.840and so i was wondering if you could kind of recount what happened in meme conf what what's
02:22:15.620the story there when the convoy happened and they called the emergencies act i had already
02:22:23.680been doing research on the flq in the country and the flq was the only other reason for calling the
02:22:31.720war measures act which was renamed the emergencies act because it sounded so bad so there was world
02:22:37.020war one world war two the flq crisis or the october crisis they called it um when trudeau's dad called
02:22:46.160the um emergencies act and they it was the war measures act back then but it sounded too
02:22:52.180too scary so they ended up calling it the uh emergencies act and the only other time other
02:22:59.980than those three they used us as the excuse so it was quite incredible to me that i was researching
02:23:06.200the last emergencies act that happened and then i find myself in being the reason for the next
02:23:11.400emergencies act that's fascinating and i was wondering so you found yourself under the
02:23:18.980microscope of was it specifically the rcmp because i meant to hear them brought a lot was it any other
02:23:24.040organization as well it was csis canadian security intelligence service which i learned so much about
02:23:30.980after that so when i left the once we heard the emergencies act was called and we heard our names
02:23:36.940being called and everything like that i from what i had read about the flq prior to that
02:23:42.100there was 1500 arrests 1200 people charged so i thought oh they're calling the emergency
02:23:48.740sex because they want to do mass arrests so i had left the the convoy jeremy and ferry stayed there
02:23:57.020i had disappeared i guess you could say i made a video and then i wrapped my phone turned my
02:24:02.400phone off wrapped it up three times in tinfoil and went to my buddy's place in the woods went
02:24:05.980fishing the day after i did that cisa showed up at my dad's place asking where i was
02:24:11.740so i let it sit for like two weeks just stayed away what will everything kind of cool down came
02:24:20.180back called csis like yeah so you want to talk they're like yeah i want to talk we'll meet on
02:24:24.260this day and this is all in the book so okay i'll go and meet with you see what you have to say and
02:24:28.740i left my phone behind this is a funny story actually we're supposed to meet them at the
02:24:34.320tim hortons in tottenham okay i left my phone behind because i didn't want i thought i might
02:24:39.500be getting arrested. I didn't know at the time that CSIS doesn't carry handcuffs, guns, or
02:24:43.500anything like that. I just thought that they were a wing of law enforcement, right? But all they do
02:24:49.900is gather intelligence and give it to the appropriate authorities to maybe act on it if
02:24:55.740they feel that there's a threat. But I went without my phone, fearing that they might take my phone
02:25:00.620and go through it and whatever else. I even had one of my buddies show up to the Tim Hortons prior
02:25:05.940to me getting there so he can order stuff sit down and see if i got arrested so i show up to
02:25:12.400the tim hortons he's there i sit down i order coffee and i'm just sitting there and i don't
02:25:16.940know if you've ordered a coffee and sat at tim hortons in the past 10 years but without a phone
02:25:20.660you look like a psychopath it's true like so you just sat there basically staring at the wall
02:25:28.680looking at other people and uh then i hear uh from the background is there a derrick here
02:25:35.880yeah that's me it's like lunch lady doris calling from the back of the tim hortons
02:25:41.300with her hairnet on is derrick here yeah somebody called said you're at the wrong tim hortons
02:28:12.380We actually, we did a review of this short film that the Canadian Communist Party created about themselves and the Heritage Front came up in there.
02:33:32.260um and so then after that so now you had the flq which the rcmp was involved with
02:33:38.740um oh i didn't go over that the rcmp burnt down buildings were caught stealing dynamite and it's
02:33:44.660on record saying that they had a dirty tricks division um he'd done a lot guy who was interviewed
02:33:50.180in court said he'd done a lot worse for the rcmp than just burning down a barn so you had the flq
02:33:55.920where the rcmp was involved and that's where cesus was created because they felt that the rcmp needed
02:34:00.960oversight then you have the heritage front coming in where cesus orchestrated the entire thing
02:34:06.140after that you have the muslim scare uh in canada which all the laws that were made in and around
02:34:12.800that time for the muslims are now set up for our time there's not just that there's a few other
02:34:19.520instances as well like webo ludwig um the guy out in alberta that was losing uh sorry his uh his
02:34:28.240livestock was getting miscarries and so was his daughters getting miscarries and they were
02:34:33.360blaming it on the gas company and they're having apparently webo was not exactly a good guy like
02:34:38.820he was blowing up gas installations i guess or like starting them on fire and shit like that
02:34:43.460well the rcfp started their own fire blew up a gas installation and said oh this guy did it so
02:34:49.760this guy could get in good with webo ludwig so people can look it up for yourself there's an
02:34:56.020entire page on wikipedia if you look up the rcmp's dirty tricks there is a whole slew of things that
02:35:03.180they have done and it even goes all the way back to like the 1930s 1940s the trekkers to ottawa not
02:35:11.500the truckers to ottawa the trekkers where the rcmp intervened into their because there were a bunch
02:35:18.360of guys were disenfranchised in the work camps out in manitoba saskatchewan stuff like that like
02:35:22.480fuck it we're going to ottawa they all jumped on a train sitting on the top going inside it and
02:35:28.840they were going to take that all the way to ottawa and the rcmp intercept them made a deal
02:35:32.940sent them back and stuff like that so the rcmp a lot of what they do is to keep uprising and social
02:35:41.380keep social uprising from happening again to the point where they will try and generate themselves
02:35:48.880to justify their own existence and just so people know that you know we're not telling
02:35:53.420any tall tales here you can pull up these articles I'm looking at one on the CBC right
02:35:57.940now from 1999 RCMP bombed oil site in quote dirty tricks campaign so this isn't just you
02:36:06.180know for those who need mainstream sites this is out there everyone kind of knows it and
02:36:11.980I think the only reason this isn't brought up more it's that generally Canadians unless
02:36:17.880you're a fucking schizo spurg like us and our you know lovely listeners most canadians just don't
02:36:25.080know this shit they don't take that much of an interest in the rcmp i think they a lot of people
02:36:30.520think the mounties are kind of silly they think of due south they think of a guy on a horse or
02:36:36.140something but we do right yeah shit like that like most canadians just this is not on their radar
02:36:42.480at all and if you told them this they would be just totally fucking incredulous but i could
02:36:47.320believe it and i do listen to those stories one wonders since they seemingly need to generate or
02:36:55.220in some way facilitate these events happening themselves could they be described as inept
02:37:01.660meaning that if there were any sort of movement like what they're supposed to be set up to
02:37:07.060stop could they stop it because it seems that they only win in a game that they rig for themselves or
02:37:13.240do you think they actually are a threat what's your read on it they are for the most part inept
02:37:22.860i would say they were definitely definitely part factions of the rcmp and csis that know what
02:37:28.220they're doing but they're not being utilized i would say if you look at what happened in the
02:37:32.980nova scotia shooting they were proven to be inept like the response time took 18 hours
02:37:42.200because somebody was out drinking on their during their time off and their call like they
02:37:48.440they they warned the public on twitter you know and it was the biggest mass shooting in canadian
02:37:53.460history the most casualties and they would just drop the ball they couldn't get a response time
02:37:58.420i mean he was he was loose for what 16 hours 18 hours before they they found them just killing
02:38:06.460people burning down houses? Yeah. And I know that CSIS, and I don't think this is officially
02:38:12.340stated, but I know as a member of the Five Eyes, Western intelligence apparatus, I think Canada
02:38:20.140is seen as the blindest of those eyes. It's kind of notorious for dropping the ball. And I do think
02:38:27.300some people say this isn't a big deal, but I really do think that incursions made from the
02:38:34.120chinese communist party have really given cesis a black eye like it's fucking embarrassing how
02:38:39.480much they've dropped the ball and it wouldn't surprise me if like the cia views them as a
02:38:44.300compromised asset in some way i wouldn't be surprised at all either like i heard they were
02:38:50.200questioning about our five eyes status because of the 5g that was going in and we were going to go
02:38:58.560with hallway and all that and if you remember the hallway executives was we had to forcefully
02:39:04.080take her prisoner because of something that the states had said and there's this whole debacle
02:39:08.160going on with not to mention the chinese uh assets that were stealing stuff out of a level
02:39:14.940five bio lab out of manitoba the police stations like it goes on and on yeah my co-host um his
02:39:23.840name's judas we he works in manufacturing and he actually worked in hong kong for quite some time
02:39:29.400born in canada moved over there for a bit came back and um he will tell you stories about the
02:39:35.300infiltration of like chinese manufacturers like behind the scenes into the canadian marketplace
02:39:40.500and there's a lot of you know small to mid-sized manufacturing outfits that like they're being
02:39:45.340just pushed right out and so they're having to sort of cartelize just to survive but you know
02:39:51.160it seems that the game is rigged against them as well and these these are just blue collar guys
02:39:55.920the guys who run businesses like making fucking furniture and steel ingot and shit and you know
02:40:02.040the government doesn't seem to want them around anymore they're letting them know by not making
02:40:06.880loans and grants and whatever else might be available to them yeah well we've seen it with
02:40:11.600the griff shop when we were looking at stuff a buddy of ours is a a blacksmith and we wanted
02:40:16.360to make these knives and we're going to sell them on the grip shop well he just couldn't beat china's
02:40:21.880prices even though we are talking to the manufacturer like you can go on amazon and
02:40:28.040buy a tomahawk that looks better than anything that he could make on mass production for 20 bucks
02:40:35.080like you know like what are we going to come up with china's got us beat everywhere free trade
02:40:40.280is death to our country really absolutely um and there's this great book um and we covered a couple
02:40:47.480books a while ago one was by ian fletcher called free trade doesn't work and it's it's very similar
02:40:54.040to that whereas like canada does not have any sort of manufacturing sovereignty right now despite
02:40:59.880the fact that canada has a long and rich history of like technological development and being on the
02:41:05.720cutting edge or trying to be on like innovation you know so we're not we were we we had a nice
02:41:12.660safe environment for people to flourish with their minds we came out with things like the
02:41:16.960delorean we had our own our own car uh we had research in motion uh the blackberry essentially
02:41:25.120like we've had some good things that just we dropped the ball on yeah and it needs like the
02:41:31.900government makes it known that they have no interest in propping up those organizations
02:41:37.160um which they have no problem doing with the media and music videos and stuff like that but
02:41:42.420you know homegrown manufacturing they'll talk a big game like they do and they say we've made
02:41:47.500all this money available then they handicap you into not being able to apply for it then they say
02:41:53.340well no one applied no one's taking the money so we have to go to taiwan china fucking bangladesh
02:42:00.400whatever it might be yeah or bring bangla jesh here even better right why not yeah yeah a lot
02:42:06.940of canadians don't realize especially what we were saying earlier with the rcmp uh and what
02:42:11.960their dirty tricks is like they the canadian population didn't notice how enough they were
02:42:16.680with the nova scotia shooting but the same apparatus that keeps the canadian public from
02:42:22.920knowing is paid by the same people that pay the rcmp like people don't realize what rt was banned
02:42:31.140in canada because it was considered to be a state broadcaster well what is the cbc
02:42:36.380i tell my american friends this yeah my my american friends um when i during when trump
02:42:45.060was president uh you could be forgiven for when you look at the cbc national post whatever for
02:42:52.160thinking you were looking at american papers there was not a canadian media outlet that wasn't
02:42:56.840running trump stuff 24 fucking seven like there was no other canadian news to report on for like
02:43:03.660those four years and as if that so that there is some kind of obviously an agenda there's only like
02:43:09.460three fucking corporations that run all this shit anyway which means like there's three editors
02:43:14.680basically that set the conversation for the entire country that's it it's that easy to do
02:43:20.160yeah i used to work at post media for a while there my background's in marketing and um post
02:43:26.640media for those who don't know just it's one of those organizations that owns most of the local
02:43:32.280papers um even though they're shutting down very fast which is unfortunate but it's like yeah if
02:43:37.860you they all just copy what the toronto star says so if you get one story in one paper
02:43:42.400basically the whole nation's reporting on it it's that and that's how you get as we were saying at
02:43:48.340the start the unify media against diagonal against derrick or whoever the associated press
02:43:56.100yeah and i wanted to ask you a question um just to cycle back to that um having been under the
02:44:03.580microscope as we've said with the rcmp and ceases what could you recommend to people um because
02:44:10.140there's a lot of you know young guys or fucking old chunks of coal like me who haven't found
02:44:16.020themselves in that position yet you know they might not be doxed or it's just a matter of time
02:44:19.980maybe until they their posts get uncovered by the nt network what could you recommend people do to
02:44:27.620prepare or let's say that they're under the microscope what can you recommend that they do
02:44:31.400then um number one if you are doing anything illegal which i do not recommend or anything
02:44:40.580um is you don't use a digital device you're an idiot if you use a digital device thinking that
02:44:48.600you have any sort of privacy they have everything even if you got encryption you know all of that
02:44:54.420stuff it's ridiculous two is if you ever have to deal with them be cordial be polite
02:45:00.520but don't answer questions uh it's a real thing when you see those people getting pulled over in
02:45:08.040state saying i don't answer questions i don't answer questions anything you can will can and
02:45:15.100will be used against anything you can say in a court of law can and will be used against you
02:45:18.760something like that i forget how exactly how it goes and that's true they say that for a reason
02:45:23.660because you say anything you may think that the cops buddy buddy with you and you try to explain
02:45:27.920your side of the story you'll still get charged because it's probably an admission in there
02:45:31.960you may not know you're admitting to something so don't answer any questions
02:45:37.380period well and just to add on to that you had made a great point earlier when you were having
02:45:42.220that meeting with cesus about how they're not there to arrest you they're not there to do
02:45:46.140anything like that they're just trying to get information which means that if you do the more
02:45:52.560you give them the happier they are that's that's a win for them they'll figure out something to do
02:45:57.540with that because you could you know i always explain to people you know even i could be guilty
02:46:02.580of thinking oh you know what i'm going to be a real hannibal lector about this i'm going to
02:46:06.620outsmart them i'm gonna talk circles around them but i'm like you know their entire job yeah from
02:46:13.360nine to five is to get me my entire job is 20 other things including my family and my blossoming
02:46:22.180content whatever the fuck it might be so like my nine to five isn't trying to trick ceases so they
02:46:27.580have just more time to fuck me basically yep yep that's their entire goal like they could be asking
02:46:35.220you questions they already know the answer to to see if you're answering them honestly
02:46:38.500like there's a good chance that they have all of you they've read through all of your chats
02:46:45.320like i wouldn't put it past them they say oh they can't do that they need privacy and the
02:46:51.120justice of the peace to to get a warrant to look at them and stuff like that i think they have the
02:46:56.400ability to look at all this stuff it's just that they don't if it's brought into a court where they
02:47:02.020got it from then uh that they might be forced to drop it then because they can't say oh this is
02:47:09.020where we got it but if they bluff you all the way up to the point where you think that you give them
02:47:15.360an admission well then you admitted it this is why i recommend to people and i am the vanguard of this
02:47:23.280strategy you have to be retarded all the time online and i do this every single day if they
02:47:31.320look at my posts they're gonna say oh this guy he's he's a waterhead what's he what's he gonna
02:47:38.260do little do they know i was being ironic i'm actually extremely smart it's uh anytime you
02:47:48.680admit to something is the big deal so like you may have said something but they don't know for
02:47:54.060sure your intent until they talk to you about it under being cross-examined by lawyers and stuff
02:47:58.740like that so so long as you don't admit it then it goes to that arena to be figured out whether
02:48:04.680you meant it or not well that's a good piece of advice and um i guess just to build on that for
02:48:09.560a second are you concerned you know with the idea of polyev maybe one day becoming prime minister
02:48:15.840you know are you concerned about you know you live streaming so much and everything i know a
02:48:21.520good amount of your content which i'm a huge fan of is you building and fishing and like chopping
02:48:27.040wood and shit so they're not going to get you for that but are you do you think it's going to get
02:48:31.620worse for someone like yourself going forward yeah for sure whether it's under polyev or trudeau
02:48:36.440they're making laws under bill c63 that you can be arrested for things that you've said and not
02:48:45.100only can you be arrested for things that you've said they'll go retroactively so not even giving
02:48:49.600you a chance to say all right i'm not going to say that stuff anymore so they will go back and
02:48:54.780they're pushing for life sentencing for different things that you've said for making mouth sounds
02:49:00.700for making words they're going to put you in life prison yeah and again this is something I'd like
02:49:08.280to communicate to our American listeners said you know a while ago maybe a couple years we did a
02:49:15.080real deep dive into the Canadian constitution Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and
02:49:19.680Canadian law generally and a lot of people especially Canadians would be surprised to
02:49:24.280know they don't really have freedom of speech some people might be saying how could they do this well
02:49:28.920it's really up to any fucking judge whether or not they do it because our our freedoms are
02:49:34.660guaranteed within reason or within the spirit of reason that's very carefully uh stated in the
02:49:42.480charter rights and freedoms where which means that it's up to a judge in any given circumstance what
02:49:48.240is reasonable or what's in the fucking spirit of freedom and you know you're thinking of a judge
02:49:53.320as an old wise scottish man you know like we all think about what happens when it's a 23 year old
02:50:01.680black woman because you can do that you could have just some weird bitch as a judge in the future so
02:50:08.020like on how firm is your grounding right now and so that that's what really scares me yeah it's
02:50:15.640i mean life still goes forward you can't put your life on hold because they're going to make certain
02:50:21.140laws you still have to move forward right so i'm still building um i live on unorganized land so
02:50:27.880there's no building permits and no municipal government um we are essentially our own
02:50:32.980government here because we take care of the roads and collect taxes now i know you need to get going
02:50:39.620shortly because we're going to keep this around an hour long but i would love for you to go a bit
02:50:43.880more into that without giving any information that could compromise you but there's a lot of
02:50:49.360our audience that especially my co-host who are talking about you know parallel societies getting
02:50:55.020off the grid doing basically exactly what you are doing in fact we had spoken to um a guy maybe
02:51:01.200you're familiar with he's over in the uk named the woodlender his whole thing was he did basically
02:51:06.460this just built his own house on like crown land and his whole trick was you know it's not technically
02:51:12.740legal but if you can prove that you've been there for like three or five years they just let you
02:51:18.740stay there so if you build it deep enough in the woods where no one can see you yeah nobody finds
02:51:22.940it sure just with satellites and stuff like that and drones and everything they probably find it
02:51:27.700yeah so tell me more about your setup uh how long you've been doing that just give me the rundown
02:51:32.540because a lot of people would find that fascinating uh i live on unorganized land like i said that is
02:51:39.640no municipal government that's what organized means is they get a municipal together and then
02:51:44.680you know then they start taxes go up basically so i live without fire department i live without
02:51:51.840ambulance service we don't have hospitals we don't have schools we don't have any of that
02:51:56.340stuff here if i were to call an ambulance they would come out um because i i do live not too
02:52:04.460far from a town but yeah that's how unorganized work is that we don't have municipal government
02:52:09.800um we have a road board essentially so it's four people that get voted in by the people that live
02:52:15.520in this district or a county i guess you call it um those four people collect property taxes
02:52:22.260from everybody else uh the federal and the provincial government match that and then we
02:52:27.100use that to grade the roads fix washouts stuff like that that's interesting so the government
02:52:33.600will give you money to help you know build up the land and yeah build infrastructure basically
02:52:39.140It's something that the United Nations Sustainable Development Agreement that we've all signed on to is signed on at the municipal level.
02:52:47.040So unorganized land and having road boards is kind of a dying practice.
02:52:50.980There was two old guys that were barely hanging on by a thread when I moved up here.
02:52:57.620And they're like, if the road board goes into disarray, we get assumed by the town next to us, and then all of our property taxes skyrocket and our services go down.
02:53:06.280so i'm now on the board uh my buddy is and two of our neighbors are so
02:53:13.980we actually stopped the town next from us from annexing our property um you're gonna we're
02:53:20.400seeing a lot of that in canada where they're annexing the property around them i talked to
02:53:25.240a lady in town she used to live on unorganized land she was paying 200 bucks a year property tax
02:53:31.300and then because the road board went into disarray