00:20:50.480low do you buy them at the stow did you buy them off the rack did you find them on the flow can you
00:20:55.840throw them over your shoulder and be sisyphus's boulder do your balls hang low
00:21:04.240and this is not the first rendition of do your ears hang low that you've done because i think
00:21:08.880on the show like two years ago or three years ago you already did this but it was
00:21:12.640holy you remember that you've done this bit before not this not this one this is a second version
00:21:20.720can you mark my political extremism by how many times over the years i've done this like i don't
00:21:26.720think i had the wherewithal to bring up like sisyphus at all like it was probably something
00:21:31.360very flat brained yeah you've heard of smooth brain but you've heard of a flat brain a real flat style
00:21:38.560brain um a large potato says you don't have to worry about deleting each other's internet history
00:21:46.420either palantir has the data already anyways man that really brought down the mood let me just say
00:21:51.360that he made it real that is true man i've been getting into debates recently about ai yeah i've
00:21:58.380been getting to it yeah debates with friends i don't even want to hash it out but like so
00:22:04.520the news is i'll see if i can pull up an article i'm an expert by the way and i'll die on okay okay
00:22:10.360i'm gonna just say something and you tell me your interpretation of it because we have other stuff
00:22:14.980to get to much dumber things to get to of course but it was that i read two things recently one is
00:22:20.980that the ai speculative investment bubble is about to burst and secondly that firms have been
00:22:28.000overstating how many jobs that they're getting rid of to replace the ai and in fact they're just
00:22:34.420using it as a cover for h1b visas and that so they're just lying about the effect of ai on the
00:22:41.040organization so i gave you what do you think of that first off yeah immediately i think those are
00:22:45.260both true i think you could really just argue like scale or timing but it's true keep going i'm
00:22:52.240pulling something up here oh yeah i mean absolutely the thing with the uh uh ai covering for h1b
00:22:57.640is kind of two birds with one stone because on the one hand it increases their uh increases the
00:23:03.840value of the ai companies and everybody's kind of riding that bubble but the other side of it is
00:23:08.440obvious um they can excuse a lot of hiring and firing and training your replacement
00:23:14.840and they can also excuse the the the absolute crash in service quality right it's like am i
00:23:22.560talking to a stupid computer or a brown guy that is true so i made a point i was talking to sean
00:23:29.160wyland about this and a few people in our community because a lot of people are excited
00:23:32.920about this a lot of people are calling you know they'll say ai is a scam and this sounds like i'm
00:23:38.640just getting in the semantics of it but i just said you know i look at what you're probably
00:23:43.560talking about which are llms language learning models as just a subset of the larger ai investment
00:23:49.420class because artificial intelligence as something to invest in what has been gone for a long long
00:23:55.500time and llms are sort of what they like one application that really hit the scene relatively
00:24:01.420recently sir you're about to say something yeah i just because it just felt like you changed the
00:24:06.800statement there and i want to be clear because earlier you said that there is an ai bubble and
00:24:11.820the bubble is going to pop and then the other statement was ai is a scam ai is not a scam but
00:24:18.240it is it is a bubble right the scam is the companies themselves taking more money than
00:24:22.500they're worth but ai as a technology what even llms on their own are already revolutionary and
00:24:28.200are completely they are changing everything they're not just they're just not changing everything
00:24:32.040the way that people think they are both in terms of quality and quantity but they are they're
00:24:36.760certainly they're not a scam they're real well because one thing i said was people use the term
00:24:41.480bubble and it's important remember there's many different types of bubbles right there's the tulip
00:24:46.760bubble comic book speculation bubble there's consumer goods bubbles then there's investment
00:24:51.400bubbles then there's the dot-com bubble which was different than the real estate bubble and
00:24:55.480And again, it sounds like I'm getting bogged down in semantics, but it's very, very important.
00:24:59.100So when you look at the dot-com boom and bust, that was really just like people writing a website idea on the back of a napkin and selling that and getting millions of dollars investment for nothing.
00:25:12.100Whereas with the LLM bubble, I'm using the term LLM bubble specifically here because AI as an investment option has been in existence for decades.
00:25:21.980open ai because when people say the ai bubble right now they're not talking about like you know
00:25:25.660um neural nets and and you know machine learning and and machine vision and these things that have
00:25:30.700been around for 30 years okay for talking about i right he's saying that's what llm means okay
00:25:35.420am i getting llm wrong because that was language learning language learning model or large large
00:25:39.420language model large language whatever but let's talk about open ai open ai specifically right
00:25:46.540they provide a service that everybody uses cool so that kind of rationalizes some investment and
00:25:51.420then all of the other investment is rationalized with the first round of investment it's kind of
00:25:55.180a ponzi scheme because the actual the money was that when we work it's like we work right like
00:26:00.220the they do provide a service and the service is a real legitimate service and people like the
00:26:04.540service but the evaluation of the company is a thousand times the actual profitability of the
00:26:11.020service and the the the ceiling that companies like open ai are hitting with llms has to do with
00:26:18.300compute and literal electricity yeah well that's what i was going to say doesn't matter how good
00:26:22.060their model is they can't get outside of that either the technology is great but that company
00:26:26.460should not be worth trillions no that's what i was saying before like money back the the bubble
00:26:30.860itself is different than a speculative bubble you probably think of or most people think of which
00:26:35.020is it's just runaway speculation based on nothing just based on momentum and excitement alone but i
00:26:39.980said with the lm's like well they have something they actually produced something of merit but
00:26:45.340it's hitting the ceiling of two limitations one it's energy and the second is data and people
00:26:51.640have just been reading the same news we've been reading and they realize there's no real way
00:26:55.440around that because in the back of their minds they're thinking this can lead to agi this can
00:27:00.460lead to skynet and it can't but uh sorry okay oh sorry i just want to say there's one other thing
00:27:05.580there like you're running up against the uh the compute limitations and the power limitations but
00:27:10.200the other thing is it is a little bit like the dot-com bubble in the sense that everybody got
00:27:14.240those websites thinking that the website itself had value because everybody else was getting them
00:27:18.780but then it turns out that just having the website doesn't immediately get you more sales unless you
00:27:23.260have seo and all this other shit which they wouldn't know until 10 years later the same
00:27:26.800thing i think is true of llms right now you look at the subscriptions the subscriber base to open
00:27:32.380ai to chat gpt and it's huge but how many of those companies are actually um for how many of those
00:27:39.280subscribers does chat gbt actually improve their productivity i would bet half of for half of them
00:27:44.920it actually decreases their productivity or decreases their quality or efficiency because
00:27:49.200it's not used correctly that doesn't mean it's a bad technology but everybody's jumping on the
00:27:53.460train because it's kind of like a lazy thing that i used to see job openings and i don't see them
00:27:59.160anymore for ai prompt writers there's like a good four or five months there where they're hiring
00:28:04.500people just because that was a big part because no one can write prompts correctly apparently in
00:28:08.860in the software space now just hearing this third hand but apparently they have like um like cleanup
00:28:15.500software engineers whose job it is to just go and fix vibe written code vibe code that was written
00:28:23.260by retards like me gbt so there's a whole other type of job now people having been paid more who
00:28:30.140wouldn't have been paid before just to clean up the mess that ai is making in software i was also
00:28:35.900pointing to what was interesting because if you look at the ascendancy of these llms it started
00:28:42.960not that long ago only a few years ago and it was very you know savage at the start the images it
00:28:48.760was creating were very dreamlike or nightmarish and it seemed that and you see this with a grok
00:28:54.260in a lot of ways where they made this thing and you can do a lot of things with this thing
00:28:58.820and they kind of let the market decide what it would be good for and it turned out that and i
00:29:04.460guess we have ourselves to blame for this all anyone wanted was images because you probably
00:29:08.860do a lot with these models but it turns out all anyone who wanted was images and help with their
00:29:13.120homework and writing emails and so that's why when you look at grok right now all they all they're
00:29:18.500promoting is images and not only that very specific type of images there's a lot of images
00:29:23.280it can't produce but i don't know if you ever went on the mid journey discord back in the day
00:29:29.420i actually still use mid journey i have a i have an account with yeah it's mid journey is good but
00:29:34.160go in the discord and you're in there with different users you can see what they're asking
00:29:38.400oh it's hilarious it's all indians asking for images of themselves as super saiyans yes it's
00:29:45.840all it's all asians looking to be animals that's a great point right so companies that the the
00:29:52.960technology they're offering is something like that like rock or to some extent like open ai
00:29:57.360you have people then yes they're paying the subscription but is it like netflix where you're
00:30:02.560getting the subscription and if anything it's just making you fatter and dumber or is it something
00:30:06.800that is is uh increasing efficiency and productivity in a scalable way because that's the claim right
00:30:12.080is that these are actually making the world better but really it's like a seed oil company like all
00:30:16.720you're doing you've got people hooked on this you can get them to pay 12 a month but it's just
00:30:21.360making them sick and at some point they're going to stop paying when they realize it makes them
00:30:25.920sick or maybe maybe not but you can't scale that you can get 12 bucks out of 8 billion people it's
00:30:31.280not going to be enough for a one trillion dollar valuation yeah absolutely and so to return to the
00:30:37.520start of course there is a bubble there's no question about it the what they were kind of
00:30:42.080applying was that this would effectively kill ai research or this would show that it's just um
00:30:49.120what does sean wyland say a pig in a poke is what he said a very frustrating analogy especially when
00:30:55.200someone keeps saying it so you know when some i don't i don't fucking know it just means
00:31:00.400bullshit it's just bullshit right i mean we're all a pig in a poke yeah true because of modernity
00:31:09.840and uh but i'm like you know ai is going to continue in some form and i guess the point
00:31:15.120is making was it's going to continue in its worst form because private investment flashy investment
00:31:20.800may fall by the wayside but remember in the wake of the dot-com bubble we saw amazon rise from the
00:31:26.000ashes um because one thing about the dot-com bubble was the ambition behind that excitement
00:31:34.720was correct it was just early the ambition was e-commerce is going to change everything now they
00:31:41.120thought there's going to be no more stores of course that didn't come to pass but it did it
00:31:45.760it was a paradigm shift in commerce generally.
00:32:09.300it seems that Palantir is making the largest play for AI.
00:32:13.220Because, you know, what I was saying to some of these other people was they just think AI is for LLMs in the interest of creating automated general intelligence, right?
00:32:23.120And I'd say, well, no, AI has many different facets.
00:32:26.240Like, you can apply AI in a bunch of areas, basically, like, data processing.
00:32:45.380And so one of the things I was saying was the worst, what they see, what you see AI used for right now, look towards China.
00:32:54.660Look towards what they're doing with facial recognition software and all their network of CCTV cameras being able to track people across the entire fucking nation.
00:34:01.700think that company will last very long, but
00:34:03.260um one example i don't know if you've heard of these these people sarcos the the uh like a dod
00:34:09.580contractor that made a human sarcos sarcos s-a-r-c-o-s yeah sarcos so they did they did
00:34:17.060like exoskeleton robots for the longest time but they built a foundational ai system to run the
00:34:22.340robot and i think it's paladin ai that's so this is the thing now it's paladin paladin ai what
00:34:29.140happened was when llms came around they said we already have a foundational system and we're gonna
00:34:35.620for the sarcos exoskeleton and we're gonna turn it into a generic military robot uh it's gonna
00:34:44.380call it a foundational a foundational system like a foundational architecture so it's it's like like
00:34:49.960ros or something it's like a robotic a robotic architecture on a robotic ai that can be plugged
00:34:55.820into any type of robot so they have two versions they have a like a walking version and a flying
00:35:00.180version but they've completely pivoted just to ai they don't even make robots anymore because they
00:35:05.680have so much money coming from the dod and probably the cia to do ai just for military robots for the
00:35:14.780u.s government so like that's one example of it the the project you know and let me just say
00:35:18.880i'm aware of a couple other companies like this but just to build on your point i wasn't even
00:35:25.100aware that this company existed i can tell just between montreal and london ontario there's 50
00:35:31.500companies that are each worth a hundred million actually ontario and quebec is i don't want to
00:35:37.820say it's like it's not the center of it obviously but we are right now in the same position as like
00:35:42.940boston and san francisco in terms of the amount of the number of ai companies and the amount of
00:35:48.280investment that's up here and i don't mean ai like open ai flash in the pan stuff but like
00:35:53.220very industry and hardware specific integrations of AI
00:35:58.200for like palletizing and manufacturing and agriculture.
00:36:01.340Yeah, and that's what I was trying to say to the people.
00:36:04.120Like I grouped that all under the umbrella of AI investment,
00:36:07.520which is very, very specific applications.
00:36:09.800And I don't see a lot of people complaining about those applications.
00:36:13.000All they complain about is we don't have SkyNet yet.
00:36:16.240This is stuff where people get a pilot out there
00:36:18.260And it's, it's actually like the ROI for the, for the, the, the corporate, like the clients of the pilot is huge. So they just want to buy more. And it's, and like that actually does scale and it starts spooling up. And now those companies are worth hundreds of millions and they're actually worth hundreds of millions. They're doing hardware deployments globally, but like, I don't see, I don't see even a billion dollars worth of deployments from open AI.
00:36:43.500i just see a big fucking sucking vacuum so yeah yeah it's people hoping that man i hope they get
00:36:51.740sex robots up and going and we can just put this in that dude i it's only it's only a matter of
00:36:58.460time that it's frightening what is going to be possible i'm oh the other thing i wanted to hit
00:37:03.540on because i hear this i was joking about being an expert i'm not a fucking expert about this i
00:37:08.060was being sarcastic but um i do talk to a lot of people about this because it's in my it's in my
00:37:12.080feel a little bit and the the big thing that nobody's talking about uh is the data right
00:37:17.160we think of llms as so powerful because these motherfuckers stole our data it was trained
00:37:23.140general llms right are trained on reddit and wikipedia and people's private conversations
00:37:27.500and facebook posts but if you for the worst sources let me let me just uh put it in that
00:37:33.180the worst sources yeah and then you can get you can get models that are trained on like old
00:37:38.980textbooks and things or or like technical documentation so we can understand math and
00:37:42.720science however if you wanted to get past a language model like specifically a human language
00:37:47.380model you get to something like data analysis you need a data set well most data sets like big data
00:37:52.400sets are private there are some open source ones but like for example in agriculture a data set
00:37:57.400that like for like in you know just using a random example here tomatoes if you wanted a data set of
00:38:03.840like 5 million photos of tomatoes at different growth stages in different light levels with
00:38:09.360different diseases, different weights, different, you know, upside down. And this one has a scratch
00:38:13.340and this one has a bug. And then all of that has been tagged and analyzed and you build a net out
00:38:19.320of it. That doesn't exist yet. It doesn't exist. Once that exists, it will be worth millions to
00:38:25.420the companies that are doing hardware deployments in agriculture, but the data set doesn't exist.
00:38:31.260and anybody who's in the field knows now that they need to keep their data close to their chest
00:38:35.460because the data itself is valuable you can't go and take these pictures anymore right you like you
00:38:40.180you can't just like i think my point is like the cat's out of the bag that having all of your data
00:38:45.540out there and accessible is literally burning money it's throwing money away so i think going
00:38:50.920that's a big five years anybody who has access like if you have a for i'm just you know example
00:38:56.120if you run like a greenhouse conglomerate and you have an erp system and you on that erp system
00:39:02.380you have tons and tons of data about your plants and growth rates and things like that that needs
00:39:08.280to be locked like fucking fort knox because it is because you can license the data now that data is
00:39:14.700worth millions it's once the hardware exists well i think um this is a big um component of what they
00:39:20.700would call dead air net theory because people for a long time had the promise of the internet being
00:39:25.540the sum total of human knowledge and if you really look if you actually try and find the information
00:39:31.460it's not there you're really restricted to you know what google gives you but it's like a few
00:39:36.700key journalist outlets and wikipedia and right like that's it but if you want real academic stuff
00:39:42.480uh you either you need to pay for it you need to pay a pretty penny or you just don't have access
00:39:46.200to it unless you're inside that institution and that's been the case for quite some time
00:39:50.320yes and i always thought that was interesting that these can't be crawled by search engines
00:39:54.360they're not accessible by anything and i think just the the data centers that matter have seen
00:40:00.100this coming for a long long time and uh just saying i agree with what you're basically i'm
00:40:05.480agreeing with what you're saying but trying to act like i said it like i was i was thinking it
00:40:09.340then you said it yeah it was i mean it was your idea i mean what is an idea what is what is
00:40:15.920fucking anything right yeah this is an open source idea but yeah we we ended up debating about ai
00:40:23.940for i call one of my friends of imbecile which i had to walk to walk back later like i'm just
00:40:31.360gaining a reputation of being a curmudgeon and i really don't want that i don't want to be a guy
00:40:37.500who gets too comfortable and flies off the handle because who gives a fuck right yeah we have
00:40:42.640important things to talk about you know the song grace too by the tragically hip nope you ever heard
00:40:49.360that song nope it's a famous song so uh we got some lyrics for that here we go i'm going to try
00:40:56.720and i'm not going to try and sing it too well but um he said i'm fabulously dicked
00:41:03.840come on and just blow she kind of bit her lip geez you don't show but i can guarantee
00:41:17.740i can guarantee my tip hits the floor his tip hits the floor i'm a total pro
00:41:27.940Oh, I've had sex before, bam, I go to pound town, damn, born ready to goon, I'm with pills and sperm inpatients, and I praise Jews.
00:47:26.820i had to let you know this festival might rest your soul they're colder than the eskimos the
00:47:30.420episodes you dropped must not be making no sense mr ross only going because there's no
00:47:34.260age of consent guess the roast master general demoted to lieutenant i'm the lord of this land
00:47:39.060i'm a victim he's shooting it's who then that's a good one if you needed to know where this guy's
00:47:44.740coming from that's a great line and expect tommy buns to take the saudi funds probably for a rolex
00:47:50.900he don't give the kids a mommy none aziz needs this i'm rooting for him in the end because how
00:47:55.220could you get canceled for being a horny indian i can't believe what i'm seeing is pete davidson
00:48:00.100made a lot of money but i guess he ain't been saving nothing never forget well i guess he
00:48:04.340forgot now he performing 40 animals that took out his pops does he so the background there is pete
00:48:09.620davidson i'm sure you don't know he's on saturday night live he was shopping around a story to
00:48:14.820anyone who would listen the longest time but has his father died in 9 11. his father was a first
00:48:19.860first responder for the firefighters in new york yeah and now he's performing for the fucking
00:48:26.500saudis yeah i mean this is where like you're watching this and if you know you know this
00:48:31.180going into it like i'm not even laughing i'm like i want to see you explode any piece of shit like i
00:48:37.340feel i feel some kind of empathetic connection with his father's ghost i want to see him put
00:48:42.640inside of a fucking you know one of those i don't know what we call this machine but
00:48:46.220it's a machine just set it up to squish things you seen these people put funko pops in them
00:48:51.660a squishing oh like a big like testing the compressive force of something yeah like a like
00:48:57.820a uh hydraulic press yeah hydraulic press i like to see his fucking faggot head put in that
00:49:03.200anyway shredder or a hammer mill or there's all something try a little bit of each well if china
00:49:08.700has shown us anything it's any machine will do yeah escalator yeah fucking escalator elevator
00:49:15.240forklift i mean you can you can do a lot of you can do a lot to a china guy's asshole with a
00:49:20.520forklift i i don't mind telling you even know and shit probably got bad friends like soddy
00:49:26.920santino and hammer robbie lee pulled that little penis out on stage where he gonna be a goner first
00:49:31.260time out in the country unless we counting tijuana i wonder why they canceled on tim dylan probably
00:49:36.460because they heard about the men that he been drilling not ratting i'm chin chilling but what
00:49:40.100about miss whitney voice for strong women bitch you gotta be shitting me i remember you vividly1.00
00:49:45.020slim and delia wickedly you headed to a place where they treating women maliciously beating1.00
00:49:49.140the bitches viciously physically of course whitney cummings is a feminist right you probably don't1.00
00:49:53.720know her but she's an aging feminist um and so of course she goes to places you would go i know1.00
00:50:00.860like pretty much any woman doing this is hilarious yeah because of course you're not going to find
00:50:06.000they're not inviting conservative all these are liberals all these are maskers all these are you0.95
00:50:12.520know me too and i don't know dominating ho silver lining we can't see your body when it's draped in
00:50:18.940rose she gonna fit right in with the ancient ruins hey sebastian what are you doing they go for
00:50:25.060payroll do whatever you say so kirsten haven't you seen what they do to gay ho squeeze you like
00:50:30.060your play-doh on god they'll murk you or maybe they invited you to make you wear a burka mark
00:50:35.160Sam they might be drunk and if they say the wrong thing they might be sliced and chunked inside the trunk of a fucking cyber truck
00:50:41.780Now this just don't seem worth a little subscriber bump
00:50:44.340Chappelle turned down millions and went to Africa now we headed back just to hack for some human traffickers
00:50:50.000Louie please you're selling your soul brother used to think you was the goat now you hanging with goat fuckers
00:50:54.900How the fuck a Kev possibly need any more cheese? Another divorce? Jeez stop fucking these whores please!
00:50:59.960Saudi see this little midget they'll chase him like Voorhees1.00
00:51:02.520when machetes hope you ready to drop to your knees oh billy bird of bean town hypocrite i'll admit
00:51:08.500when you was dissing must that i ain't give a shit but now you headed to a place they pay your
00:51:12.220wife to feel her hair hates white billionaires loves brown trillionaires you cringe that's my
00:51:17.280favorite part of the intro that's pretty much why i play this song hates white billionaires loves
00:51:21.760brown trillionaires but that's it right that that is it um and one theme of this episode is going
00:51:27.780be i hate libs you know we're playing it simple we're back right you know i mean and then bill
00:51:33.940burr he went out after this and he published an episode of his show where he's talking about yeah
00:51:39.940you know what dude i went to saudi arabia it's pretty good they had a applebee's you think you're
00:51:45.700going up there they'll be like i cut your hat off i'm like play dude what the i go there
00:51:52.580and it's fucking starbucks there's a fucking starbucks you walk out of the airport can't be
00:51:58.120serious like no no no joke like this like mr anti-capitalist mr you know defund the people
00:52:06.060who fund whatever the fuck they're saying it's such a boomer thing though like anybody who knows
00:52:10.080about how their country operates like it's it's a tourist attraction that's like being like going
00:52:14.960to going to haiti on a closed resort and being like god the breakfast here is great it's like
00:52:20.720yeah they on the other side of the fence they eat children you can see them from here like
00:52:25.820to be fair on my side of the fence it's a real temple of doom type situation where
00:52:30.400i'm eating fucking i'm eating chimp ribs and also uh black skulls i'm just that's why you go to
00:52:38.940haiti you go to haiti because you want to eat black people i know we don't have a lot of black
00:52:42.360listeners but i'm probably showing my hand here i'm wondering why do i do what people even go
00:52:46.860these countries it's to fucking eat black people and spit it out i'm not swallowing it's like
00:52:52.800on a movie set you chew and you spit chew and you spit yeah i'm not i'm not fucking sick
00:52:57.700i'm not some kind of nigger i don't just eat niggers
00:53:04.180and you're screaming out free luigi sucking so much soddy dick that you gonna need a squeegee
00:53:10.480for the cleaning of the semen and demons from rubbing genies your opinion means nothing shut
00:53:14.580your mouth fucking weenie i know it's people that sharing the same feelings what a shame all these
00:53:19.160lames with these hijacking plain villains shout out to shane gillis a true american patriot
00:53:23.420declined the saudi offer because he knew that shit would make him sick but the rest of y'all
00:53:27.140enjoy your little festival i really hope that they don't chop up all your breast and balls
00:53:31.380sorry guys just being a broke hater i'll just say congratulations and welcome to al-qaeda
00:53:36.180that's the type of shit i like everyone's like what's what's your favorite podcast what do you
00:53:43.500listen to i'm like i just listened i watch things getting crushed in industrial machines and i watch
00:53:48.620rap yeah that's it um what did you think of that yeah yeah comedians go on the journalist list
00:53:57.360it got me thinking and um i was going to show this video i found this interesting video but
00:54:04.580i don't want to show because it's actually kind of boring it was just this like lib woman because
00:54:08.820What I'm noticing is that liberals are scared right now of what's going on with everything, and they're trying to sell you on certain narratives that, you know, Trump's actually got the lowest approval rating of any president ever.
00:54:22.940But something came across my desk even before, just as I was going to get to that, and I think we need to discuss this before we go any further.
00:54:33.080This is breaking news as far as I'm concerned.
00:54:35.520north koreans ordered to identify women with unsocialist breasts people see this people
00:54:43.940that's what people in audio but i hope everyone's seeing this
00:54:46.840we're on zero hedge which is an awful site right my favorite and i mean i mean awful like it's a
00:54:54.420good yeah i like you can like reading it but just design wise yeah it's too much this is ridiculous
00:55:00.440this like how much real estate must be taken up by what we got polymarket over here north koreans
00:55:07.940ordered to identify women with unsocialist press authorities in north korea have been ordered to
00:55:11.800identify women with unsocialist and bourgeois breast implants the telegraph reports citing
00:55:17.000local media so this is also news of the edit he's got her tits go over kim's shoulders yeah
01:26:53.300We're not going to play the whole thing.
01:26:54.140I got time stamped to where I want it to be.
01:26:56.340But let's just watch a little bit of this, and let's see if we can get this going at 1.25 speed, okay?
01:27:03.340So I got an op-ed contribution from a former Canadian security person, and his view or his argument was there's been an industry around, government-funded industry around looking into extremism, and his contention was that the groups on the right, I believe, you know, Proud Boys was designated, I think, as a terror organization in 2021.
01:27:25.560one uh so fair play but groups on the left in his view his name is ian bradbury who could be
01:27:31.860potentially as dangerous or aggressive we're not getting that same scrutiny certainly not
01:27:36.220so i understand where he's coming from here of course i don't love the framing of of course
01:27:42.920there is extremism on the right like the proud boys the proud boys are nothing the proud boys
01:27:48.220was always just a way to call that not a paper tiger but it was always they were trying to pin
01:27:55.380extremism on someone and the proud boys was as close as they got but they're saying of course
01:28:00.040there's far extremism however now there might be far left extremism as well but the larger point
01:28:05.980he's trying to make which i like is he because i i do think if you're spending your career saying
01:28:13.560that china has uh disproportionate influence in canada you've probably been accused of being a
01:28:19.820racist your entire professional career right so i assume he's got a bit of a thick skin
01:28:26.020in that regard but he is pulling out a very interesting thread and i'm i'm curious to see
01:28:32.020who is going to join in and pulling that thread now that it's safe which is looking at the
01:28:37.200government funding for these organizations like the anti-hate network among others because what
01:28:42.700they're going to say what they're going to say is it's all kind of a grift i don't love that
01:28:49.020you know there's a movie review that we didn't get to we were going to do a movie corner
01:28:54.140a few episodes ago we just didn't have the time uh the movie was going to be one that we both
01:28:59.500watched called eddington yeah do you remember that yep yep so i'm just going to pull that up
01:29:05.500see if i can just get the uh people who don't know what that is let's uh it was the recent
01:29:11.580ari aster film it's got joaquin phoenix in there it's got pedro pascal of course and uh
01:29:19.500i thought it was interesting because it was the first movie i've seen that was really about
01:29:24.540covid and about black lives matter or sort of a meta-analysis of it and um one thing i noticed
01:29:32.620throughout and i thought it was relatively fair it was fairer than i was expecting
01:29:38.760However, one thing that I noticed, and other commentators have noticed this as well,
01:29:42.700but they portrayed Antifa as just sort of misguided youth and ultimately benign.
01:29:50.900And there's the Black Lives Matter protesters who are predominantly white.
01:29:54.620They're young white people, and they're portrayed as SJWs.
01:29:59.360But in the context of this small town where there's like two black people live there,
01:30:04.980they were accusing the black guy of being like basically a house nigger you know i mean yeah
01:30:11.120and then he's seen as the vic like the black person is seen as the victim of the black lives
01:30:16.280matter movement which was driven by white liberals which is just another way to kind of throw
01:30:23.020naive white women under the bus which i don't appreciate but that's something i've noticed that
01:30:29.000for a long time people refused to admit antifa existed and now that they're admitting that they
01:30:36.940do exist they're just trying to say that it's a grift or it's just it could still yeah it exists
01:30:43.100but it's stupid it's not even real or it's just this way for white people to get money from it
01:30:50.060and like i'm still just maintaining the thing like these people want you you dead they do want you
01:30:58.360deadly these people hate you they are communists they're gay communists and they are arming
01:31:03.180themselves and they're losing they're losing in a big way right now but i don't like this
01:31:09.300sleight of hand i'm seeing where it's like yeah antifa they're just you know there's proud boys
01:31:14.660are serious though proud boys it's that's a legitimate hate organization but antifa it's
01:31:21.360actually just this construct for you know people to make money i'm like i think you can do that
01:31:27.920while also admitting that they have their hubs
01:31:31.020where they're training with guns to shoot you.
01:31:35.180And they're more willing to do that now than ever before.
01:31:44.800I didn't like the fact that they made the whole thing white.
01:31:48.280I did appreciate the fact that they showed the protesters
01:31:53.880as largely, like there were two classes of protesters.
01:31:57.120There were the the the actual protesters who were like, you know, useful idiot college kids and high school kids who just have nothing better to do because of covid.
01:32:07.500And then there was paid agents flying in on a private jet with machine guns and C4 who were also doing they were playing.
01:32:17.500So I like that they actually showed that because that is actually what happened.
01:32:20.560And it continues to happen with a lot of these.
01:32:22.380like i i do think most antifa and probably where the liberals are coming from most antifa in reality
01:32:28.060are actually just gay high school students but the ones that are doing the serious damage like
01:32:33.580if you want to act like antifa doesn't exist there is an actual organization it's probably
01:32:37.980tied to the cia and they actually rent properties and train with weapons and have equipment and have
01:32:44.420like they're they're it's a fucking terrorist organization but they hide in crowds so um yeah
01:32:50.800yeah yeah and the question is like how many of the proper antifa are aware of that it doesn't
01:32:59.880matter you have to shut them all you have to arrest all of them yeah you should actually
01:33:02.680just arrest all of them and then figure out which ones were real and the real ones you should
01:33:06.940execute them and the rest of them you can let them go but you have to arrest them they are it is
01:33:11.500geek makes some point they're trying to workshop the groipers as the new proud boys i will say um
01:33:17.040Um, true, but there is a reason that Nick Fuentes was very concerned early on about getting out in front of this and saying, you know, he, I mean, Nick Fuentes made a good portion of his career on shit talking Charlie Kirk.
01:33:33.580and one thing that i think he hopes people forget we covered this on the latest episode of real
01:33:39.480secret coffee hours was there was actually one groiper i think a couple years ago who was arrested
01:33:46.560with a plot to shoot charlie kirk because why you know charlie kirk was their enemy
01:33:53.000he didn't get away with it right he was arrested but you know there are some elements in that group
01:34:00.480that you know i i think he's noticing that this thing might have some momentum that he can't
01:34:08.000really control at this point so he has to spend a lot of time disavowing and he was smart to
01:34:13.700disavow when he did because you know this thing can speed out of control fast that's all i'm saying
01:34:19.860yeah yeah um so let's just let's just review this thing really quick uh the government focus it
01:34:28.060seems under the Trudeau Liberals, now Kearney Liberals.
01:34:43.300I think it's hard to deny at this stage
01:34:45.060that there is an ideological bent to what law enforcement
01:34:49.820at the municipal, provincial, federal levels,
01:34:53.120our spy agency, what they are choosing to focus on.
01:34:57.300And an example of this is, I believe it was the 2024 CSIS report that raised concerns about increased risk of extremist violence against members of the LGBTQ community, with no mention or acknowledgement of the real-life violence that was actually taking place at demonstrations, which largely came from people who were masked up and purporting to fight fascists.
01:35:20.880And, you know, that gap, it raises questions.
01:35:24.820Now, let me just say this, that I like what she's saying, but this is a type of woman I've dealt with my entire career.
01:35:36.760This type of speaking really grinds my gears.
01:35:40.640It really frustrates me where it's kind of like the up and the down, and it's taking three sentences to say one sentence.
01:35:47.820There is a gap, and it's quite a noticeable gap, and some people have noticed it.
01:35:50.780And for most people, most people, that gap is noticeable, is noticeable.
01:35:56.820And some people think something should be done, not everyone, but there have been some, there have been some discussion that something should be done.
01:36:06.720And I think something at this point, at this juncture, should be done.
01:36:11.360You think it's people trained in that environment where they just need to hear their own voice or that type of thing?
01:36:17.480yeah but it's like i'm seeing this class of woman get involved like you never saw this type of woman1.00
01:36:24.220wading into these waters and applying that sort of just very mid-iq boardroom talk to what is0.99
01:36:32.380basically you're saying that antifa are being given a pass by the media and funded by the
01:36:37.840government which is something we've been saying for like five years right so i just i think that's
01:36:43.700an interesting sea change. What does that mean?
01:36:45.880We think about the role of the government in providing support both institutionally and
01:36:53.480financially to organizations that are kind of sort of arm's length, right? Maybe very
01:36:59.880short arms. And it's these organizations who then are sort of middlemen in directing
01:37:06.540or, again, supporting in some fashion, facilitating the actual...
01:37:13.700Like, I'm sorry for subjecting people to this, but you need to sit through this like I did, where I'm like, these are the types of people who are making the laws, though.
01:37:24.700Maybe we need more people like this in our society.
01:37:26.740Everyone thinks, oh, you got to be good in front of a camera.
01:37:29.240No, we need people who can bullshit like this, who can kind of, it's such a, it's a skill that I've had to learn to accumulate over time, which is like figuring out how to make a point.
01:37:42.840sound like it was workshopped you know i mean it sounds like you're reading a powerpoint
01:37:48.780presentation because if you're used to writing in this fashion you're very careful not to make
01:37:55.280any declarations at all everything is could be could perhaps be like you're actually never
01:38:00.880saying anything definitively so you never are culpable for anything right protests that we see
01:38:07.920And an example of this and how I came to be interested, particularly in Antifa, is the Canadian Anti-Hate Network.
01:38:14.640I think this is the most obvious and, in my view, shocking example.
01:38:19.840It is an NGO that purports to document and fight against specifically far-right hate.
01:38:28.060And in having such a narrow focus, they're obviously ignoring everything else that happens.
01:38:35.640And, you know, they would probably say that it's not it's not equivalent to the real dangers, the real threats, the real risk of violence.
01:38:40.300It comes from the right, not from the left. And I think that that has created almost a vacuum of focus and interest that has allowed the far left to metastasize in the way that it conducts itself.
01:38:52.320I wonder how much of this has to do with Palestine.
01:38:58.280And I'll explain what I mean, that we did a whole episode on the Canada Anti-Hate Network,
01:39:03.720which I would say is, if not the biggest, one of these types of organizations, the advocacy organizations in Canada,
01:51:46.280Because, as you remember, I told you that we did a report for the Department of National Defense, which was funded by the Department of National Defense to look into the possibility of extremists.
01:51:57.820One thing I wanted to point out about this guy's show, it's an amazing show.
01:52:02.240He seems to have just constant sponsors.
01:52:05.400So right now, this segment is sponsored by Mercedes-Benz.
01:52:09.100So he's got like a fucking, sorry, there's a fucking train in the background, sorry.
01:52:13.280mercedes-benz thing here creeping up from the bottom which this show it blows my mind that a
01:52:20.540show like this could have like mercedes-benz sponsorships ideologies that was seeping into
01:52:25.480the military and that's very concerning for the military it's very concerning for dnd department
01:52:29.560of national defense it should be very concerning for every single canadian because the military
01:52:33.500is there to protect us to serve us as a certain avians to protect us from harm from external
01:52:38.960forces primarily, but also internal terrorist organizations as well. So when you see that two
01:52:45.060of these individuals were active members of the Canadian Armed Forces, and the other two had some
01:52:50.060relationship with the Canadian Armed Forces, that should make people sit up and take notice because
01:52:54.780this is very, very concerning. Again, that's sort of bureaucratic managerial class tone that I hate,
01:53:01.320which is people should sit up and take notice. And I'm just going to say my position, I'm sure you
01:53:05.880agree with me like if you are a current or former member of the armed forces i would expect you to
01:53:12.360be in a militia right because here's how he's viewing the military and he views the military
01:53:19.500like every non-white does specifically non-white men because i think the canadian military still is
01:53:28.700i think it's like 80 to 90 percent white it's it's the type of guys who join the military it's
01:53:34.220all white guys even like the former veterans will tell you that right and they get in the military
01:53:40.380for different reasons because they understand what the military is or they understand what a
01:53:45.100martial cast is or a warrior class which is i'm doing it because this is important this i'm
01:53:51.160embodying myself in some kind of violent defense but that's what the military is for right and i
01:53:57.300think honestly this sounds like i'm painting with too broad a brush i'm sure but like if you're not
01:54:02.000a white guy i think you think like this guy who believes that the military is just there to serve
01:54:06.740canadians as if they were the police yeah now we have the police over here that's the police's job
01:54:12.820the the soldiers need to be something else it doesn't make sense that they're just police with
01:54:18.320bigger guns these guys think that well you're the military so you're supposed to help us build
01:54:22.780bridges if i see a soldier on the street i should tap him on the shoulder and ask for directions
01:54:28.240that's his job his job is to serve me i actually don't think the soldier's job is to serve me
01:54:33.120personally i think it's to be a fucking psycho with a gun and fight wars and i hope i'm not saying
01:54:40.440that's what it is but i i hope that that type of person would also continue to do that outside of
01:54:47.280the military like just get a bunch of guys together and have guns in the interest of if the government
01:54:52.500becomes corrupt like that's that's what they're fucking there for but that idea will be lost on
01:54:59.000on something like this they just believe it's another service industry job now what do you
01:55:03.020think about that i think that the the impression that it is a service industry job is widespread
01:55:08.120enough that many people who joined the military thought that it is a service job and the the
01:55:15.440couple of guys that i know personally treat it that way like you know our our mutual uh retard
01:55:21.140who does it as a uh a feather in his cap and then i know a guy here who just did it because he didn't
01:55:28.420have an education and he got out as soon as he could and he hated it and now he drives a truck
01:55:32.900like there's a lot of people that like they're not a lot of people joined it that are not militant
01:55:37.740people whatsoever and if we had a decent military they would not even be allowed in like my trucking
01:55:43.740guy that i've got is like five foot four and fat and he's always been like that but it didn't matter
01:55:49.100So there's a good thing, Nick Nielsen, call Nimbutu Mintumbi Tui.
01:55:58.380But also, like, the problem is that the belief that he's forwarding, as you had said, might very well be widespread.
01:56:05.040People, I mean, and the military, especially the Canadian military, didn't do itself any favors by advertising this for so long.
01:56:13.280I think at one point the military, it was assumed you wanted to be a soldier to fight and perhaps even die for your country, whether or not people believe in that.
01:56:22.800Then at some point it shifted to be about, well, you get a free education.
01:56:26.500You can see the world, get a free education, three square meals a day.
01:56:33.360And it's like, especially if you're joining in peacetime, it's like, it's easy, just fucking do it and they'll pay you for stuff and it's not going to be serious.
01:56:39.540And then there is like a subset of those people
02:15:09.260all right all right so everyone i i hope you enjoy i hope someone enjoyed this episode i had a great
02:15:15.260time doing this welcome back yeah buddy we're back all right so uh i'll see you all later
02:15:23.080everyone thank you so much for for showing up and uh we'll see you next time yep
02:15:27.920golly how is everyone doing i am so excited for this stream i've been working on this
02:15:49.100idea for quite some time i just had the title in my head and it took me a while to think of
02:15:56.940the proper panel to bring together for this and I over time I found I think the perfect group of
02:16:04.800fellas to discuss this we're talking about how to take down an NGO now from the start I just
02:16:11.660want to establish and maybe this is my error as a host but when you say take down this is non-violent
02:16:18.840this is completely legal and we're gonna be discussing strategies for how to address or
02:16:25.960disrupt non-government organizations and i've gathered uh reactionary reading law here and i'm
02:16:33.920going to throw up some links here so reactionary reading law can be found at reactionary law.substack.com
02:16:39.640we're going to be looking at a couple of these articles during the stream but i would encourage
02:16:43.520anyone to look that up on your free time as well we've got the great yuri bezmanov i've been a fan
02:16:48.860of yuri bezmanov for quite some time needs no introduction one of the biggest names you're
02:16:53.520going to find on Substack. He's writing, it seems like almost daily articles. I did not rip this
02:16:59.480title off from him, but it is, I like the how to, how to do this or that. Very, very great stuff in
02:17:07.380there. We've also got a good friend of mine by the name of Ben Fleming. You can find him here
02:17:13.020at Radio Free History. I've known him for quite some time. And you would be, Ben Fleming, because
02:17:19.240I don't think I've had you on the show before.
02:17:21.740Would you say you're sort of well-traveled in the areas of corporate litigation or anything like that?
02:17:30.180I'm not a lawyer, but I used to live in Washington, D.C., so I know the people firsthand who serve on the boards and work for these organizations.
02:17:38.080and of course we're actually reading law your specialty i'm not going to talk too much about
02:17:44.360your legitimate businesses here but much of what you've discussed is about lawfare the topic of
02:17:51.760lawfare and um within i would say the uk context mainly because yeah mainly british context but
02:17:59.780also the american context because in the american context the term lawfare isn't a dirty word
02:18:06.360it's an academic line of discipline so i've in my book and some pieces on my subject i discuss it
02:18:12.980from an american point of view as well but mostly it's a british thing that i focus on
02:18:18.160yeah and uh everyone here has got their regional uh interest and uh everyone's got their opinions
02:18:26.020on ngos everyone or a lot of people think they know what an ngo is or do they i was just going
02:18:31.740discuss you know maybe my background of people who don't listen to the show i've worked i work
02:18:36.300in marketing and at various points in my career and my wife's career who also works in marketing
02:18:41.660we've worked with ngos and there's a lot of different types of ngos in fact i'm going to pull
02:18:45.820up something here this is interesting so this is just uh wango.org but it's a worldwide ngo
02:18:54.540directory and you can segment it based off of whatever the region is we got north american in
02:18:59.580front of us right now and so total organizations over 23 000 in north america that's what it looks
02:19:08.380like showing one to 50 on here and there's a whole spread of ngos that's kind of why i was getting
02:19:13.420that so when you say ngos some people think you know civil rights organizations there is that but
02:19:18.780then there's you know missouri coalition for the environment i will never use tobacco incorporated
02:19:39.900Anyway, just to give you an idea of the spread.
02:19:42.540Now, in my capacity, in my wife's capacity, we've dealt with some good ones.
02:19:47.180You know, there's anti-drug ones, but there's more than a few that are dedicated to stop
02:19:52.380child sex trafficking internationally you know if you want to hear an interesting story i'm not
02:19:57.880gonna announce any names or get anyone in trouble but one of the most interesting engagements we
02:20:05.320had was there's there's many anti-child pornography child sex trafficking organizations
02:20:10.480and we're dealing with one and they were interested in getting into india because india i don't know
02:20:19.300if you all know this has a huge problem with pedophilia and child rape so does every country
02:20:24.860outside of europe basically insofar as that world doesn't come into europe as well but uh this
02:20:31.740doesn't get brought up but there's organizations that are saying we'll come in for free we'll give
02:20:37.980you basically free money to help you bring awareness to this set up an infrastructure to
02:20:43.280stop it and in every instance they've turned them away so they're actually denying and they could
02:20:49.280say oh they don't want americans on the ground in there yeah maybe there's that but it's everywhere
02:20:54.380the free help they don't recognize that there's that's even a problem and these these ngos are
02:21:00.840all staffed by liberals they're all staffed by you know well-meaning progressives and stuff so
02:21:04.980they can't just say that's a problem with india it's like oh they just they haven't been educated
02:21:09.960enough you know they're sort of the managerial this is like the top of the managerial class
02:21:14.860this is the aristocracy the managerial class you spent your entire life in academia everyone's got
02:21:21.740master's degrees everyone's got doctorates and they're the leaders of these organizations that
02:21:27.900it sounds good when they're at a dinner party they get to say i'm on the side of social good
02:21:34.140and i'd say 70 of their job is begging for money now does that that sound accurate i was maybe
02:21:40.940it's good to throw it to everyone else what do you think about ngos what's your do you have any
02:21:45.340personal experience with them or what do you think the problem is with them yeah well i think the
02:21:51.740first part of countering ngos is to reframe them in the minds of the public because the average
02:21:59.100person will think about non-profits and ngos as charities and this is these are places where you
02:22:06.300donate money and volunteers go out into the world and help make it a better place and help people
02:22:12.940who are struggling but that couldn't be further from the truth these are huge money laundering
02:22:19.020organizations and idea laundering organizations for leftist commissars to execute on communism
02:22:27.340and their world view without any real oversight from the government so i i think before we get
02:22:35.260into the nitty-gritty of legally how do we do this we have to win in the court of public opinion
02:22:41.100and i think over the past decade more and more of this rot has been exposed where
02:22:46.620tons of dark money is sloshing around the commissars who run these organizations are making
02:22:51.580huge salaries you know mid six-figure salaries while barely doing anything and i think in america
02:22:58.460where I am. We saw a lot of this happen with the Biden open borders, where these migrant
02:23:05.200organizations were taking billions of taxpayer funds and essentially conducting human trafficking
02:23:10.740with them. Tons of children have been lost. No one knows where they all went, but these NGOs
02:23:15.400are at the heart of all of this subversion and demoralization. Yeah, Ben or Ractionary Reading
02:23:23.960law what's your view from where you're standing i know ben you're in canada reaction you're in the
02:23:28.200uk what's the lay of the land of the ngo situation there like i said i'm canadian but i used to live
02:23:34.200in washington dc now if you've never been to dc a lot of people have you know this incorrect
02:23:42.520i've you know image of what the city is dc is a city filled with corporate lawyers
02:23:47.960who it's their whole job that the second a new law is passed, they have to figure out what that law
02:23:56.340means for their stakeholders. So usually you have some corporation based in Nebraska or someplace,
02:24:03.300they have their few corporate lawyers in Washington, DC, either to work as lobbyists
02:24:09.480or to be able to interpret a new law the second it's passed and say, what does this mean for us?
02:24:16.240Now, a lot of these lawyers end up working for NGOs, which are, quote unquote, consulting firms. And it's their whole job to use to interpret these more social justice based rulings and regulations to shake down corporations who want to do business.
02:24:38.720and they say, you know, there's these new environmental rules and regulations that are
02:24:42.240getting passed. And it would be a shame if you had a $2 million fee because you don't listen to
02:24:48.080our lawyers who can tell you how to interpret this new law. That's the one type of NGO that
02:24:56.160there's a lot of in the DC area. The other one is some rich guy, he's making all sorts of money.
02:25:04.460you know you know the image of the rich guy's wife who starts a business that loses ten thousand0.82
02:25:10.300dollars a month because he's just he need he needs to get his wife i keep her off my ass
02:25:15.480do i know it i had one as a client well there you go you'd be surprised how many uh power0.79
02:25:23.820couples in dc are where the guy is one of these high-powered corporate lawyers and the wife makes
02:25:30.860$200,000 a year running one of these vanity project NGOs that's supposed to sit on committees0.99
02:25:38.080and raise awareness and whatever the fuck else they're supposed to be doing. A large number of
02:25:44.720these NGOs, especially the social justice oriented ones, you'd be surprised how many of them are just
02:25:51.500the vanity project for the wife of some rich guy. I was going to ask that and a reaction to
02:25:58.240read law authority in a second but maybe incorporate this how many of these ngos as we've
02:26:03.440just discussed are done cynically meaning that they're just straight up money laundering it's
02:26:08.160busy work for some hoe or how many people actually take it seriously do you think versus
02:26:13.400it's just some strange dark money thing from the uk perspective and from what i've seen with either
02:26:22.080left-wing NGOs or any other NGOs it really depends because the way the NGO money is given
02:26:31.640in the UK is it's normally goes through some very large charitable trusts that may or may not have
02:26:41.440some links to the UK government and some NGOs may get some money off the government but normally a
02:26:47.160lot of NGOs that work for example for migrants seem to be quite decentralized but they're actually
02:26:56.760not so what will happen is you will have an individual left-wing NGO that does social
02:27:06.180justice in a given area and it seems to be a decentralized thing run by local people but
02:27:14.020when you dig into their finances you find out that oh it gets this amount of money from the
02:27:20.980open society foundation it gets this amount of money from the uk government and it works
02:27:25.720as an advisory basis for ex-local council but that's why charting the ngo structure in the uk
02:27:34.600is so hard because many of these very small NGOs or seemingly very small NGOs work for
02:27:44.240a bit of time and then when people suss what they're up to the NGO is folded within itself
02:27:49.780and then it's replaced by another NGO and that's something that I've noticed is quite common
02:27:56.240globally for a lot of awareness raising or activist organization ngos does that answer
02:28:04.880your question it does and i have a follow-up question and this is probably unknowable but
02:28:09.840for anyone who's looked into it you mentioned the open society foundation a lot of people know what
02:28:13.840the open society foundation is but would they be one of the biggest players or do they just
02:28:19.680have name recognition like once you kind of get into it how prominent are they would you say
02:28:26.240in the uk i'd say they're less prominent in america but in the uk i can't name any off
02:28:31.200the top of my head because i haven't got notes in front of me but there are loads of
02:28:36.320organizations that are very large charitable trusts that you probably won't have heard of
02:28:44.800that control vast amounts of money gets given out to these smaller more localized ngos
02:28:51.040and you also have the larger charities that are name recognized like the red cross foundation
02:29:00.600and oxfam that will be involved in some kind of
02:29:07.320ngo stuff to do with something like providing aid to migrants it will just be through a partnership
02:29:44.580and through various trusts and organizations.
02:29:47.200And one thing you can notice, and just to visualize what you're talking about, one NGO goes away and another takes its place under a different name.
02:29:56.560Maybe it's the same people involved every time, but who's actually moving money around?
02:30:00.900If you just look here, the interconnectivity of all these societies and NGOs and foundations and think tanks, and it's $31 million here, $410,000 there.
02:30:14.180So when people say the Open Society Foundation, I say, my suspicion was always, yeah, that's one.
02:30:19.980But, you know, I just pulled this up on a charity graph here.
02:30:22.780And there's already, I mean, look at this.
02:30:24.880You could drill down even for or take the microscope and place it somewhere else.
02:30:29.260And you would need to disrupt this entire web.
02:30:33.540And one of the best examples, I love this just going over this.
02:30:36.620Anyone can find it at datarepublican.com.
02:30:39.320Obviously, it's going to be within the American context.
02:30:41.700But you'll see a lot of investors, private investors or even their groups, and all these lines go to one black box and it'll have some nondescript name.
02:30:53.960And so you don't know what's being done there.
02:30:55.700And then it distributes all this stuff.
02:30:59.680and uh so it has the the net the environment rather has all of these nodes that are made to
02:31:07.360obscure who's specifically given money or who it's going to or who's involved and that it strikes me
02:31:13.700that that's by design it can only be to cloud who's actually funding this stuff because they
02:31:20.380could say like oh we receive funding from a hundred different people who's to say which
02:31:23.820individual actually funded black lives matter or this environmental thing over here yeah these are
02:31:31.400all slush funds and i think the bulk of non-profit funding comes from two sources the first is the
02:31:39.980left-wing billionaires that we all know and love like soros gates uh pritzker a lot of times they
02:31:47.040their funds are intermingled together into these networks like the arabella network and the tides
02:31:53.260foundation which is all connected to open society and soros and then on the other part side of it
02:31:59.300you have government funding yeah that's the irony of being called a non-government organization is
02:32:04.040that many of these places get the bulk of their revenue from the government and in the u.s doge
02:32:11.520has cut a fair amount of it but there's still tons more to go that we saw usa being the biggest
02:32:17.560example of an organization that got gutted. And we're still seeing the chain reaction that came
02:32:23.780from that because all of these propaganda sources, lots of activist networks have
02:32:29.340gotten much quieter and virtually disappeared after Doge went in there and took out USAID as
02:32:36.020well as a bunch of other of these groups and funding sources. So, yeah, I mean, look, it's
02:32:41.760all either coming out of the taxpayer's pocket, which is us, or these huge left-wing billionaires.
02:32:47.560and i suspect we will probably see a fair amount that are going to be connected i hope the patriots
02:32:53.240in control of this administration are going to just take out this network root and stem following
02:32:59.380what happened to charlie kirk and for sure a lot of these trans radicalization and antifa groups
02:33:04.340are getting some of this dark money yeah can i ask a question of course yeah right so in the uk
02:33:12.520because we have local councils who are get some central government funding but also get
02:33:19.160funding from local taxes they which is meant to be spent on things like taking the bins out
02:33:27.960maintaining infrastructure and so on how does state governments show up in terms of the funding
02:33:34.360of left-wing NGOs because in the UK it's quite a prominent issue for local councils to be funding
02:33:41.860your left-wing ngos or your ethnic interest group ngos and spending quite a lot of money on it
02:33:50.720does anyone know anything about that yeah that's that's a great point rl uh that that's exactly
02:33:56.100what happens in america as well because we have a very federalized system the federal government
02:34:01.100does provide a lot of this funding but you also have states and cities that have huge budgets you
02:34:06.620The budget of New York City is $10 billion, and the reason why many of these cities have deteriorated is because you have this crony comissar network where the mayor and their staffs are all extremely far left, and they contract out the city or state budget to their friends who run these NGOs that try to attack homelessness or do things to help protect migrants from deportation in the sanctuary cities.
02:34:35.100So we see this happen in every major American city that has fallen apart, whether it's San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York. Zoran Mamdani is going to win the election in a few months, barring a miracle.
02:34:49.840So, yeah, all this to say that local and state level governments that are controlled by the communists are definitely doing this.
02:34:58.320Well, I think that almost even understates the issue. You think about urban corruption. 50 years ago, it was the mafia and the organized crime groups doing it. Now all that corruption is in the form of the fact that local and state governments outsource everything to third party consulting firms, even the honest ones.
02:35:22.560like how do you trace everything through this web of shell companies some of which are perfectly
02:35:29.360reasonable because somebody needs to form a shell company to invoice his consulting hours
02:35:37.360the idea that everything happens at city hall hasn't been true for a long time everything
02:35:42.320is outsourced anyways absolutely and um one thing just uh you know we're gonna move into
02:35:52.560ideas on how to take down an NGO, obviously.
02:35:55.540But I know a few people had mentioned that,
02:37:15.940But you can look up where they get their funding from.
02:37:19.120And they, sometimes they post that, you know, here's me asking for money from the Canadian government and the Canadian government will openly say, yeah, we gave $900,000 to this group for their, their work, their good work, which again is literally just writing blog posts and being online.
02:37:37.700So at least in Canada, there is no shame people feel by being open about how they're asking for this.
02:37:47.180And it comes directly from the government in the form, not even of loans, but just of grants.
02:37:52.360And they have money set aside for this express purpose.
02:37:58.780And Ben, I know you've only been in Canada a little bit, but what do you think about it?
02:38:02.860Does that kind of gel with what you've seen?
02:43:31.140that talks about women's rights. And of course, women's rights are human rights. And many of the0.99
02:43:36.240largest NGOs focus on this idea of human rights, which came from the UN charter after World War II.
02:43:43.060And this has been weaponized as a narrative to essentially open all borders and subvert any
02:43:49.700national sovereignty. So a human rights NGO, and there's millions, but the biggest ones are going
02:43:54.900to be the Human Rights Campaign, HRC. There's the IRC, International Rescue Campaign. There's
02:44:03.100Amnesty International. So all these funds that talk about human rights, what that really means
02:44:10.960practically is that they are going to fight tooth and nail to never deport anyone, no matter how
02:44:16.340heinous of a crime they commit while being an asylum seeker or something like that within America,
02:44:22.520within Europe, within Canada, the UK, it's all the same people and it's all the same tactics.
02:44:30.020So the one big part is to continue to push back on this narrative and expose what these words
02:44:39.200really mean in their propaganda. Do you think we're winning on that front, by the way?
02:44:43.660I think we are. I think we are. As more gets uncovered, it becomes impossible to ignore.
02:44:48.580Yeah, I think the other heinous thing that happened over the past week was Irina Zuritska's murder in Charlotte, North Carolina. And it's been uncovered that the MacArthur Foundation gave a $3 million grant to the county that Charlotte is in to reduce the prison population in the name of equity.
02:45:07.760So what that means, if people, you know, normies can even understand this, right? Like they are letting violent criminals out of jail, and these people go on and slash the throat of innocent young women just sitting there in a train car.
02:45:24.100So the more of these incidents that occur and get exposed, the more that the tide of public opinion is going to change.
02:45:33.100And then that's very much connected to the second major pillar of what we need to do, which I don't know how this can happen in Canada and the UK.
02:45:41.220But in America, we have the RICO Act, the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.
02:45:46.380And the irony here is that this act in 1970, some of the first major accomplishments was to take down the Italian mob.
02:45:57.620And we're hoping that this statute is also used to uncover this entire web of connections in the NGOs that you can trace direct funding that lead to direct crimes and things like Charlie Kirk and Irina Juritska.
02:46:13.780It's all tied into this flow of money and this agenda that's gotten people hurt and killed.
02:46:19.640Now, I've never heard it described like that before, but it seems so obvious now, especially with the Zarutska case.
02:46:25.880And I believe that, I'm not sure this was verified, but the judge in question, that black lady judge,
02:46:32.480she had some private dealings with an NGO herself that had interest in mental health awareness.
02:46:39.480So there's this idea that she didn't have a law degree at all, number one.
02:46:43.780number two she was running like her own little mini ngo there's there's tons of these too it
02:46:48.980wasn't like a big ngo that she was affiliated with it was i think a very localized one a small one
02:46:55.140but of course that means that she will directly profit from the sentencing decisions that she
02:46:59.860gives it was like a you know a halfway house or some kind of criminal rehabilitation ngo
02:47:06.900now that's an interesting narrative to really drive i think there's some people doing that1.00
02:47:11.300right now which is we must do something about these borderline retarded black lady judges1.00
02:47:18.260because you know i would hear stories for years from america mainly but all these like lower1.00
02:47:24.420circuit court judges where you don't need to pass the bar you don't need to do any of this you can
02:47:30.840actually just like apply off of fucking linkedin and get a job as a judge and then they get to feel
02:47:36.620good they get to say they're a judge but they have no legal acumen really and they're obviously
02:47:43.180there's videos of this they post this shit if you look it up and there's some people who do content
02:47:47.260based on it but you can see how they're trying these cases letting off repeat murders that see
02:47:52.780they seem to express you know racial solidarity with a great many of these but to me i like the
02:47:59.740idea of taking a rico act approach to show that look treat this as a criminal organization treat
02:48:04.860Treat this as profiteering and rip some of this out by the roots.
02:52:02.720This was a man who came from the world of psychiatry
02:52:04.640who was criticizing starting in the 60s
02:52:07.420and even before sort of the psychoanalyzation of America specifically.
02:52:13.080But an interesting sleight of hand occurred where you saw many progressives advocate for the closures of asylums.
02:52:21.820And this happened in the 80s all throughout America and in Canada.
02:52:24.560It was seen as inhumane, just in prison mentally ill.
02:52:27.160So they just released them in the public.
02:52:28.480And at the same time, there's an increase of deeming people mentally ill, almost, counterintuitively.
02:52:34.620so you know even the zarutska case the assumption was mainly from black people but others like
02:52:41.000this is a mental health crisis you hear that all the time you never hear that excuse given
02:52:46.400to a white perpetrator but you'll hear that for us well he obviously went insane because
02:52:51.320no sane person would do that but what do we do with the insane people and that's a very murky
02:52:56.960area legally so you can say he's going to spend the rest of his life in a high security place
02:53:02.940I mean, that's really up to the doctors. That's up to whether or not they deem them sane or whether or not it is still seen as inhumane to keep them there. There's a lot of flexibility in that. And that's kind of the point. And so people can be quietly released if they're deemed no longer a threat to their community. And of course, they can still be. But it gives a lot of power to psychologists and psychoanalysts. And it's relatively unchecked. And it's normalized us psychoanalyzing each other.
02:53:31.420And so that's kind of creates this whole parallel legal system where, you know, people see it as a get out of jail free card because it basically is, especially in America.
02:53:40.720And I'll throw this to you in a second, Yuri, but I was talking about this in our community the other day that you'll ask, they'll say it's a mental health crisis or the mental health issue.
02:53:59.040And the go-to they have, especially for black individuals as well, is the legacy of slavery.
02:54:04.740So that's almost a permanent mental health crisis that they're allowed to deploy whenever they want to justify.
02:54:13.460And they won't overly justify it, but say, oh, I mean, it's understandable because of slavery.
02:54:18.600It's coded into it that we can never understand his mental state.
02:54:22.100But who's to say that he can't move past it?
02:54:24.540So, I mean, technically they could be let out.
02:54:28.080That was just a bit of a tangent, so I'll let everyone else respond.
02:54:31.780Yeah, in the UK, it's a slightly different system because for someone to have the mental incapacity defence, it has to be proven in court.
02:54:41.740And if it is deemed 10 years later that they could theoretically be released from a secure mental health facility, for that to be the case, for them to be released, it has to go to a judge directly.
02:54:53.440that's interesting so i guess a banner you have any thoughts on what's it like on the ground in0.52
02:55:00.260america with the mental health epidemic you're seeing that black woman who stabbed the kid to
02:55:05.860death in the parking lot and she went she got off because she was incompetent to stand trial so not0.98
02:55:10.740even insane like literally this woman's iq is too low to understand what she was doing is wrong and0.70
02:55:17.300And that's a floodgate I don't think anybody really wants open.
02:55:22.980Too stupid to understand not killing children.
02:55:26.960And that's something, just to circle it back to the NGO thing,
02:55:31.020there are nonprofits and charities that are advocating for us,
02:55:35.840that are putting this into the zeitgeist.
02:55:38.480And so aside from the judges, there's juries who are willing to accept this,
03:01:20.640reform uk and other parties as to who their candidates can and can't be so one arm of it
03:01:29.460basically goes after right-wingers and then the other half of it also advises
03:01:37.100or used to advise on things like counter-terrorism candidate screening and so on and so forth
03:01:44.960hope not hate much like the adl for years now has had lots of bad press but the problem is and a lot
03:01:56.640of this bad press was done by investigative journalism from people like regardless of what
03:02:02.040you think of him tommy robinson and the restorationist and other people as well
03:02:07.100but for the most part the backlash against hope not hate didn't really get anywhere in of itself
03:02:17.180and the reason for that is the action against some thing like hope not hate and
03:02:24.680i would suggest adl as well was online people moaning about the problem on twitter and it
03:02:33.600didn't actually take it people didn't actively organize and take further action other than
03:02:42.000complaining and I think part of the reason for that is it's boring like dealing with NGOs complaints
03:02:47.520processes and even if necessary hiring lawyers is expensive and it's really boring but organizations
03:02:56.160like hope not hate probably could have had something done about them earlier because
03:03:02.420it's alleged that they have broken not by me personally but by other people who have such as
03:03:10.180the restorationist and people like tommy robinson they've it seems from a lot of the investigative
03:03:17.180work that those people and those organizations have done oh and hope not hey that they've been
03:03:21.860breaking quite a few laws and maybe even some criminal offenses for example there was a video
03:03:27.620that formed part of a documentary by Tommy Robinson that an allegation was made that
03:03:35.740hope not hate employees were bribing homeless people for information on certain right-wing
03:03:42.440people with drugs and you've got lots of those sort of skullduggery tactics that
03:03:48.140hope not hate have been accused of with some proof not necessarily convincing proof but some
03:03:55.380proof at least and basically nothing happened with it and the impression i get is the same thing
03:04:03.140is true of the stop the adl campaign because it's just it stays online and it doesn't do
03:04:12.320any further action now if i could just interrupt um so uri and ben i'd love to hear your thoughts
03:04:18.920on this i need to run the washroom for two seconds so you guys banned the adl where do you think it
03:04:24.080went right where do you think it went wrong and uh just kind of talk on that for just a second
03:04:28.720so i think you need to know the financial situation uh here because i don't know how
03:04:37.500much organizations like the adl and hope not hate are the sources of of money that other people are
03:04:46.720expecting uh if they are if they're like the sink if that's the end of the line where all the money
03:04:53.080ends up, then nobody cares. They're just going to ask the government for another check or they're
03:04:59.640going to ask some billionaire for another check to keep the lights on. The bigger issue is if one of
03:05:06.320these organizations, if they're an intermediate that are going to be giving money to somebody
03:05:14.160else. That can be part of a larger money laundering scheme. And if the fundraising dries up even
03:05:23.540a little bit, then they can't pay money to people who they owe or they can't pay money
03:05:30.880to people who might be expecting that money. And that's something that could lead to a
03:05:37.240domino effect. I just really don't know enough about the financial positions of any of these
03:05:43.280organizations but how much money they have and how much money they owe and where the money comes
03:05:48.140from that that's just as important as to what they're actually doing themselves
03:05:53.960wasn't uh hate not hope the organization that doxed rog nationalists yes it was yes i think
03:06:02.380more goth as well if i'm not mistaken yeah they dox more goth as well they've doxed quite a few
03:06:06.900people actually yeah and i it does seem like they get a fair amount of funding from the u.s
03:06:12.900as well as operational support and you know i've talked as well i talked to raw egg where
03:06:18.860it's like the way they they found out his personal details just seems like almost impossible to do
03:06:26.020unless you had some extra access uh potentially by an intelligence agency but i mean to go back
03:06:32.980to the question here about adl and and just in general how uh how you get these organizations
03:06:39.880to wither away it still goes back to the money and one other propaganda tactic that they use
03:06:47.400is that they claim that they have huge organic grassroots support that most of their funding
03:06:54.060comes from good virtue signaling little people like you so sometimes you'll get mailers or you'll
03:07:00.300see these people in the streets in a city where they'll come up to you and say, hey, you know,
03:07:03.980do you want to contribute $10 or $20 to women's rights or human rights, blah, blah, blah. And
03:07:10.640they make it seem like a large part of their operating budget is coming from individual small
03:07:16.600donors. But, you know, just like they're politicians on the left, they say that. But when you actually
03:07:22.100dig in, the bulk of it is still coming from deep pocketed billionaires or the government. So until
03:07:29.980the sources our funding are cut off, then you can't make a huge dent, which is why public opinion
03:07:38.060goes hand in hand with this, because you need to vote in governments that are going to take action,
03:07:43.360both stopping the flow of taxpayer money and actually prosecuting those that deserve to be
03:07:49.140prosecuted. And I see a good message here from Brother Moonfrog. I like the name and the avatar
03:07:54.540there, but it appears that this topic is top of mind for the most important people right now,
03:07:59.620because vance and miller are talking about this exact thing like and they're the ones who are
03:08:06.320going to be able to execute on this and i can't think of two better men to uh as a tribute to our
03:08:13.120to their dear friend and our martyr charlie kirk to finally put an end to this because this has
03:08:18.920been festering for easily a century maybe even more an interesting example here because i think
03:08:24.920what they're really going after is antifa and antifa at least in my perspective right now
03:08:31.840is at a nadir of its popularity antifa we watched this movie the other day called eddington with
03:08:38.740joaquin phoenix written by ari aster and uh it's about uh the covid lockdown it's about a lot of
03:08:45.840things but it's kind of the first movie i've ever seen about that period even if you don't like it
03:08:50.660but it's kind of unique in that sense but what i noticed was antifa as depicted in that film
03:08:56.140was seen as a bunch of i don't think this is true but seen as a bunch of naive young people
03:09:02.720who are almost appropriating social causes and sure there is that as well but just something
03:09:08.200i noticed that there's more people not taking antifa seriously laughing at them talking about
03:09:13.800them like they're a bunch of gay losers um they're not exactly they're not they're not really taken
03:09:18.540seriously so I do wonder and this is kind of what Yuri was getting at which is if you look at the
03:09:23.600people who are actually in control of this they I think they're on the brink of just cutting them
03:09:27.880off entirely because they become so toxified by not only the public discourse but also all the
03:09:34.540crime that they're attached to you know they're always going to have a stronghold in some sense
03:09:38.400in Portland but maybe not and and that's interesting case where is the money is the money just going
03:09:43.380to divert to something kind of like that with more or less the same intention but also i'd like
03:09:50.260to see antifa ground in the fucking dust i hate them they're they're responsible like they're
03:09:55.700laughing at charlie kirk being shot in the neck like they're reprehensible people and even though
03:10:01.660some will say well this doesn't attack the root cause i'm like yeah but i it's just i want it to
03:10:06.080happen i really want i want hope not hate i want everyone to be fired i want everyone to be i want
03:10:12.620to see everyone who worked at hope not hate open a fucking hope only fans i want to see these people
03:10:18.140homeless and that's just that's like a selfish ugly thing that i have but i own it i think they
03:10:24.380deserve it fuck them they've been they've been trying to like mutilate your children's genitals
03:10:30.320for 10 years call call it petty i'll be petty you know i certainly agree about going after people
03:10:39.280personally because the problem with the NGO structure is that there seems to be a trend
03:10:46.300in the UK and in the US whenever one of these left-wing NGOs that's been funded by the
03:10:54.240billionaire dark money network gets themselves into trouble whether it's they do something
03:10:58.980seriously illegal or they just get so much bad press that the brand is toxic normally it's a
03:11:07.860small NGO that will just collapse and the people involved will do basically the same thing again
03:11:15.420but under a different name and that's happened with quite a lot of NGOs that have been involved
03:11:25.620in some quite serious wrongdoing let's say so one of the examples I've got is about some years ago
03:11:36.920Lauren Southern in a documentary she made on the issue of mass migration to Europe got somebody
03:11:45.120who was running a project for an organization called Advocacy International I believe and
03:11:53.000on video advising these illegal immigrants to lie about their background so say they were gay
03:12:01.800say they're from a different country so that they could get awarded asylum
03:12:05.780and that's something that's illegal it's something that if there was the right
03:12:14.600organization people could be better held to account for and by that I mean the lawyers who do it and
03:12:21.960the people involved in those organizations who give that advice either getting struck off or
03:12:26.140going to prison and there are examples in the UK of lawyers being struck off or law firms being
03:12:33.020fine not insignificant fines in some cases millions if not hundreds of thousands of pounds
03:12:38.080for advising asylum seekers to lie and this is a sort of ray of sunshine if you will
03:12:46.400it can be done it's just very hard and boring to do yeah this has to be comprehensive you have to
03:12:54.340salt the earth and take out every layer of this because in the same parallel with the mafia
03:13:00.000Rico was made so that what the problem they were having is that they would just catch the goons that were that are doing the crimes on the street.
03:13:09.020But if you just if you round up a couple of goons, you're still not going to really damage the organization because there's going to be plenty of new goons that they're going to bring into their organization.
03:13:20.580And what you really have to do is go higher up the chain.
03:13:23.360You have to take the take down the made men.
03:13:25.820They flipped a lot of those guys and then they finally got to the dons.
03:13:30.000And only when you have the dons imprisoned and checkmated, then you can actually declare victory.
03:13:37.460Because as long as they're out there with their money and their checkbooks, these things will pop back up down the line.
03:13:45.500And that's why it's critical to do that.
03:13:49.160Because these things are set up for that reason, to insulate people from any legal accountability.
03:13:56.480Because they can just say, oh, I just wrote a check.
03:13:58.620Like, I thought I was giving it to a good cause.
03:14:00.780I didn't know it was going to get then funneled into people running Antifa Discord channels
03:14:06.740or those random pallets of bricks that show up on the street randomly.
03:14:11.360They can just play dumb and plead innocence in that way.
03:14:15.260But you just have to make sure that you flush this all out.
03:14:19.980You gather all of the evidence because all of us know, like,
03:14:23.900if you just pay a slightest bit of attention that these things are all connected.
03:14:26.560You just have to show the public and mete out the justice that's required.
03:14:33.460And to that point, I think now more than ever, there's regular people who are willing to enter into that discussion because the average person, they know about the Open Society Foundation, which means they get the premise.
03:14:46.220They get the idea that there's this massive conglomerate that is seeding all these, you might even call them color revolutions throughout America.
03:14:55.200Similarly, you've had the data Republican thing.
03:14:57.320And a lot of people were looking at the data Republican map
03:15:16.820and I'm not trying to throw any shade at Keith Woods
03:15:19.860because I think it did as well as something this can do.
03:15:22.960But the problem with the ADL and the reason nothing happens is because if you hypothetically brought down the ADL, whoever is funding the ADL would just start another sister organization.
03:15:35.180And then the public would kind of forget about it because they think they've won.
03:15:38.560So you do need to go one step up, attack the money.
03:15:41.600But now you're entering into a very difficult conversation about where's the money from these Jewish advocacy groups coming from, you know?
03:15:52.960I think that the regime is almost one step ahead of us on this one, because the Gavin Newsom campaign almost seems like a rebrand. It seems like they're getting ready to get rid of the old cohort of goons who probably came about in the Occupy movement in the early 2010s.
03:16:09.680uh like they all i think they almost want us paying attention to the last group of
03:16:15.320you know antifa people from 2020 the the dirty fleabags uh if we want to pay attention to them
03:16:24.380it's not it's not even that they're going to get rid of those old foot soldiers and find some new
03:16:29.120ones i think they're already trying to push those people out the door the the occupy wall street
03:16:35.380cohort of left-wing activists they're all a bunch of losers fading down middle age now that nobody
03:16:41.780nobody looks at them as being the the cool kids the next big new thing uh yeah i i think they're
03:16:50.240already on their way out the door well i think that's a good point you made which is you know
03:16:54.100on our side at least on our show we're always trying to look ahead if we are being granted a
03:17:00.400win and I do think you know J.D. Vance is out there hosting Charlie Kirk's show talking about
03:17:05.520we're going to go after them you know the sell-by date by Antifa is probably over but where is that
03:17:10.980energy going it has to go somewhere so I'm curious on where it's going to be because like you said
03:17:16.380they're going to get a lot of the obvious foot soldiers out all the crust punks all the you know1.00
03:17:21.260trust fund girls with the fucking you know swastika with a cross through it all those t-shirts like1.00
03:17:27.500those were always losers they didn't move the needle and they just sit in struggle sessions1.00
03:17:32.620in you know reclaim buildings they didn't matter but i'm interested to see where that money is
03:17:38.440going to go because you have to consider what the money thinks and really what this entire stream
03:17:43.220about is looking at the money following the money and asking the question can you wage a foot
03:17:51.140soldier style war against NGOs that is treated something like voting you know your vote doesn't
03:17:57.500matter of course these NGOs don't matter but with enough support and enough strategy can you disrupt
03:18:06.560it enough that it sends a signal to the money or to the power that maybe their well-being is
03:18:13.900threatened by well-being I don't mean their lives but you know they they need to change what they're
03:18:18.880doing with their money so perhaps you could through another avenue cause enough chaos and
03:18:24.760confusion that it creates some you know reshuffling of decisions higher what do you think or is that
03:18:30.500just is that small potatoes too i think you can possibly because in my experience with looking at
03:18:40.360how funding is given, especially by organisations that make, have very large budgets.
03:18:49.640Not much attention is paid to where it's going as such. So it is theoretically possible
03:18:57.340to put pressure on people saying, oh, you're funding this, this and this,
03:19:05.980and stop them from funding whatever they're funding because it's too much of a headache for
03:19:13.620them i know that some of the extracurricular stuff i've done behind the scenes local councils have
03:19:22.380accepted and stopped funding organizations because people have complained about it
03:19:27.640and it's just been a case of a couple of people writing well-drafted complaints saying look at
03:19:33.740what this organization is responsible for why are you funding them
03:19:37.120but with the specific NGOs I think it's slightly harder so it depends what sort of money you're
03:19:46.780going after because the way that you go after the funders when you're talking about a local
03:19:52.100or national government is different to how you would go after the funding if it's coming from
03:19:59.380large multinational foundation yeah i've got uh just an article here from uh yuri besmanov
03:20:06.820substack this is what first in a series of how to fire a commissar i just thought it was a
03:20:13.300thematically relevant um he's profiling 10 incompetent identitarian intersectionality
03:20:18.580shields and i was always reminded of how much the managerial class is essential for this and
03:20:25.940i wonder and we would need to project in the future um how much of this money
03:20:33.540is driven by boomers and boomer wealth centralization all these investments so
03:20:40.020you know i assume many of these boomer liberals are they're culpable they know what they're
03:20:44.500donating to there's going to be one day soon where there's no more boomers and that money
03:20:49.940will relocate and i wonder this ngo strategy do you think a significant amount of it dies with
03:20:58.340the boomers and there's if there's fewer younger generations going into school even pursuing
03:21:03.380ngos are these ngos just going to wither away or will the money just relocate somewhere else
03:21:08.980entirely aside from these you know or effectively like shell companies or make work schemes for
03:21:14.900these people or you know will the people who have money maybe decide to use it differently that's a
03:21:20.260very big question but i'm just curious what your thoughts might be yeah that's probably the most
03:21:24.260important part is to change the sentiment of this class this very small elite class of people who
03:21:30.500have been the primary backers of these ngos and the question about is is the money going to go
03:21:37.860away once the boomers phase out no because they have a lot of these funds have gotten so big that
03:21:44.580they are an endowment. And that endowment, just like a university's endowment, can sit there
03:21:49.620and run its operations just off of its interest and returns off of whatever investments they make.
03:21:56.540And of course, the next generation up and coming, I think Alex Soros is the scion
03:22:00.300of what that might look like. You still have these people very much ingrained and indoctrinated
03:22:07.200in being far left and thinking that that is the cool thing to do with their lives because
03:22:12.340they've never had to work a day in their lives. And, you know, daddy handed them billions of
03:22:16.700dollars to take care of. And that's, that's what they're going to devote their life's work
03:22:21.560towards doing. So I, you know, I do think it's going to be a challenge because those people
03:22:28.220are the most insulated. They never interact with regular people. They are completely tone deaf
03:22:34.340and not understanding the damage that they are causing. And they only surround themselves with
03:22:40.400bootlicking court eunuchs who are going to tell them that they are so wise and morally and1.00
03:22:47.640intellectually superior. So, I mean, when it comes to what can we do, I do think we have the right
03:22:54.620people in place in America to affect real change. And even though most younger lawyers have come
03:23:02.220out of environments where most of them are going to be far left, the few that I've met that
03:23:06.440survived that crucible and are dedicated towards the West, they're ready to battle. This is the
03:23:12.580one battle that they've been waiting their whole lives to fight. A lot of them were somewhat taken
03:23:19.280off the field by all the lawfare that went on during the Biden years. They tried to actually
03:23:23.280attack Trump's lawyers to make sure that they could never practice again. I've known some people
03:23:29.320or have indirect connections to people who went through that. There's a lot of fire in the belly
03:23:35.040right now. And with guys like us and just regular citizens, never stop posting. Go in and make a
03:23:43.860noise locally if you find something that is causing harm to your community. And then when it
03:23:50.060comes to this Comisar series that I did, the one that actually made a big change was the one I did
03:23:56.500on the NPR CEO, or former NPR CEO, Catherine Marr. I think I was the first that dug through
03:24:05.100all of her tweet history and started posting it out there. So it became, still is one of my most
03:24:11.480widely read pieces. And you saw the entire preference cascade play out because then
03:24:16.840Rufo picked it up, New York Post, and then it just steamrolled from there to the point where now
03:24:22.940she's finally been fired and NPR has been defunded. So a great example of a victory against0.54
03:24:30.800one of the worst NGOs out there. I love success stories. That's why I don't want people to be
03:24:35.260demoralized. And it's very easy to become demoralized once you start talking about
03:24:38.980huge, big money donors and things like that. But like I said at the start, I keep this restricted
03:24:45.040to what people, our people could do immediately. You know, what can you and your friends do? And
03:24:52.680it might not solve everything but could you do like you did this look what you did you get you1.00
03:24:59.600started a preference cascade you got a fucking one of our worst bitches fired that's not nothing
03:25:05.340that feels good not only does that feel good personally i'm sure but the reciprocating effects
03:25:11.300of that that let people know that this sort of thing is possible i think that contributes to
03:25:16.460a vibe ship whatever the fuck you want to call it so you know i don't dismiss small victories
03:25:21.860And if there's one thing maybe people take away from this, you know, that this isn't something you need to wait for someone else to do.
03:25:29.720Because I, like I said, I don't think these NGOs are particularly powerful.
03:35:17.540I've seen prominent right-wing wealthy people give lots of money to these right-wing nonprofits and think tanks, but they have nothing to show for it.
03:35:30.160They just write a bunch of white papers, hold a conference, and pat themselves on the back.
03:35:35.240It's this asymmetry where the left versions of them are actually getting things done for their people, but the right is just content to have a couple nice banquets,
03:35:45.540you know fly around and and talk at some conferences and call it a day while you know
03:35:50.180the random anon ship posters on twitter are are actually getting things done and operating as
03:35:57.540doing it as like a side hustle without making any income while these these guys are sitting
03:36:02.660lavishly in in dc or wherever else claiming to be defending conservative values and right-wing
03:36:09.380causes but they're they're not achieving anything of note well not only that if they actually
03:36:16.420manage to get their way into the system uh a lot of them get assimilated into the board pretty
03:36:21.700quickly i just have a question you mentioned earlier about alex soros and being surrounded
03:36:28.100by a bunch of his uh boot looking unix is the phrase you used how long do you think that system
03:36:34.740can propagate itself without external funding because i mean alex soros if he gets any money
03:36:42.340he's getting money from people who are paid by the managerial system themselves do you think that
03:36:48.060this system can propagate itself for a significant amount of time or do you think at some point
03:36:54.320the money needs to come from somewhere like george soros he made all of his money from his hedge fund
03:36:59.900doing sketchy foreign exchange trading deals, crashing the pound in the 90s. How long do you
03:37:11.080think that this network can propagate itself if it's not getting money from some external source?
03:37:17.860Do you think it can propagate itself for generations? Yeah. I mean, these people have
03:37:21.660so much intergenerational wealth that they will never need to raise any outside capital
03:37:26.960or donations off of a billion dollars if you just generate let's say even five percent
03:37:33.180conservatively uh compounding interest on that every year that means that you'll have 50 million
03:37:38.700dollars to work with per year and that's what alex soros and and the uh you know the next
03:37:45.420generation like him are having to work with so you know they they can they can hire hundreds and
03:37:52.120hundreds of Antifa and bootlicking court unix to do their bidding. And none of those people
03:38:00.580will ever tell them, hey, maybe we should reconsider this. Maybe you should see what
03:38:04.900happens when you write a check for an NGO that's going to reduce the criminal population.
03:38:12.260It gets to the point where you don't know when that line has been crossed between
03:38:16.440ignorance and pure malice, because we've just seen so much evidence of the direct causal effect
03:38:23.760of what they're doing. And then you look at this giving cause thing that a lot of the billionaires
03:38:31.800have put their weight behind, where they say that they're going to give away 99% of their wealth
03:38:36.400and only leave 1% on for their kids. Well, that's very much a propaganda spin too, because
03:38:42.220they're just parking it in these foundations that escape taxes and are ultimately still managed
03:38:48.000by their children, most of whom are far left like Alex Soros. So they make it sound like they're such
03:38:54.960amazing charitable people. But if anything, it's worse because they're not giving money
03:39:03.040that helps people directly. They're just handing it off to an army of professional managerial class
03:39:10.420people who are going to continue on this uh never-ending stream of ngo demoralization it's
03:39:18.000funny to consider that it would be better if they just dumped it all into unicef or you know to save
03:39:25.120a panda or two but they're you know they're they're raising these criticisms of the younger
03:39:29.900generation and said well i'm just going to give all my money to my gay communist daughter which is
03:39:35.780so much worse sorry i guess i killed the room with that one okay i mean that's a great example
03:39:46.500of this uh it was some i think it's called like charter communications or cox oh cox enterprises
03:39:51.940it's like a big company in the u.s that was family owned and one of the the descendants
03:40:00.520set up an Antifa training compound in Western Massachusetts. So yeah, I mean, this happens all
03:40:07.560the time. I think the MacArthur Foundation is also a big example of this. The patriarch who
03:40:13.940started it was a billionaire back when that was a huge deal almost a century ago. And after he
03:40:20.640passed away, he handed off his money to this MacArthur Foundation. And then his son ran it
03:40:25.960for a while. And his son was very much for the left, even though his father was a great
03:40:31.720American patriot and nationalist. And what do they do with this? On top of the grants I mentioned
03:40:38.620earlier about releasing criminals, every year, it's the most prestigious thing among intellectuals
03:40:43.600is the MacArthur Genius Grant. And they give 25 people a million dollars, no strings attached,
03:40:51.760just to do their work that is they consider to be genius. And if you look at the people
03:40:57.120who win this award, and I did a deep dive from the last cohort, it's all just hardcore communists.
03:41:05.820And I think Ibrahim Kendi is the most well-known example of someone who won a MacArthur Genius
03:41:12.180Grant. But these are people who are doing the ugliest statues possible or trying to get more
03:41:18.680people released from prison. This is now who the MacArthur Foundation considers to be a genius
03:41:24.060worthy of showering with money. It's so funny. Where are all these horrible statues of fat black
03:41:30.340women coming from? Oh, a genius did it. Yeah. Yeah. You just trace it right there and you see1.00
03:41:35.640how this whole network operates. It is so funny. I know there's a lot of people who are critical
03:41:41.740of conservatives and republicans but it seems to me that the rich liberals they give their money to
03:41:49.320their trans children and the right leading rich people they just give it to the adl like you would
03:41:57.040love it if the rich conservatives gave it to their far right or radical or their their groiper
03:42:02.920grandchildren or something but they never do they're the only ones that actually do what they
03:42:07.120say they're gonna do which is give it to spread it around to greenpeace or some bullshit the
03:42:12.860liberals don't do that yeah they don't even invest their money in new companies uh left-wing
03:42:19.040billionaires invest in a bunch of woke silicon valley stuff like forget the uh ngos and the
03:42:24.080charities right-leaning billionaires if somebody makes his money in uh i don't know oil he's only
03:42:30.480going to give any of his money to new oil companies uh like forget the public sector
03:42:36.480forget the charity sector even in the private sector you have that problem
03:42:42.000and i think that might be a good place to end as any we covered everything i wanted to cover i do
03:42:46.880need to get going right about now i gotta go pick my son up uh we got a couple of uh our people here
03:42:52.560who are in a different time zone entirely but i just wanted to thank everyone who took the time
03:42:57.920to tune in at an odd hour the middle of the day for us over here in canada in america but also for
03:43:04.480those who took time out of their day on the panel to be here i just wanted to thank you uh profusely
03:43:10.880i'm just going to throw up a couple of plugs once again here's ben fleming sub stack this is
03:43:15.920reynew free history that's a subject that youtube rather so yeah check out yuri bezmanov sub stack
03:43:23.040um a lot great many fans already but if you liked what you heard here you're going to get
03:43:28.240even more detail over there and reactionaryreadinglaw.substack.com we barely got to
03:43:34.800his discussions we touched on it a couple times but he gets really deep into the value strategic
03:43:41.840lawfare uh what are the pros what are the cons what can actually be accomplished and of course
03:43:46.640if you're here watching this you know what blood satellite is and if you didn't you know now and i
03:43:52.080just wanted to open it up to any closing remarks anything you might have wanted to get out there
03:43:57.160but you missed i throw it to the floor nothing from me
03:44:01.100yeah i'll send it here thanks for hosting us dimes this was a great group great discussion
03:44:10.520yeah thank you i had a great time and thank you everyone tuning in and we'll see you all next time