Blood Satellite - To Make a Societylette You're Gonna Have to Break a Few Libggs

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite i was just laughing the other day and we're gonna jump right into the charlie

00:00:22.140 kirk thing oh yeah but a baby boomer watching all of this everything that's been happening this

00:00:28.680 year of course right yeah all the news all the catastrophes and i'm sitting in the chair going

00:00:34.880 i think something's going on

00:00:37.880 just just still and and the realization that a thing might be happening causes relief to wash

00:00:47.840 over their body and they don't have another thought for three weeks i think they think in

00:00:53.780 bruce springsteen lyrics yeah and they think they're thinking in bob dylan lyrics but it's

00:00:58.420 just bruce springsteen lyrics it's like i think um the winds are blowing and they don't slow down

00:01:06.100 mama bruce springsteen is just elvis having a stroke

00:01:12.640 so he's elvis is what you're saying he's just

00:01:18.720 i keep thinking i'm right on the edge of getting into elvis yeah i've never gotten i don't know

00:01:28.000 if you heard about this but some people thought he was pretty cool like he was the but that was

00:01:32.380 just before my time and everything i've seen of elvis i don't like it i listened to a lot of elvis

00:01:38.240 as a kid because my grandmother was obsessed with elvis she's always playing elvis is it good am i

00:01:43.260 missing out there's good there is good elvis there's a i i could have a handful of tracks

00:01:48.320 that are good but um not all of them a lot of them are are slop every time i hear about the

00:01:56.460 expansiveness of his career and the different eras i think it's really cool but then i hear

00:02:02.040 they had this whole career as a movie star and back then if you're a movie star that means

00:02:08.100 you did 20 movies a year they just put you in stuff and if people want to talk about slop

00:02:13.960 if you want to talk about the people consume now look at what they were watching in the 50s

00:02:20.680 yeah it's like elvis meets tarzan and it's just it's on a radio stage just put a camera

00:02:27.660 it's that same old kid though like the only things that we understand now of the past are

00:02:31.520 the things that survive like nobody is going and like we talked we we talked off off mic here a

00:02:38.080 on social media and you're bombarded with how awful the stuff is but that stuff as soon as

00:02:43.220 nobody clicks it because it's slop it goes to the bottom of the pile and nobody literally nobody

00:02:47.660 ever looks at that video ever again it's gone and all we have to do is is turn it off and it's and

00:02:53.500 it's you know anthropologists in 100 years will not even know that those videos were there maybe

00:02:58.520 hopefully they won't no i hope they think that's what it was that's all it was because you're

00:03:03.120 talking about that just before and this is going to sound like a couple of old heads chit-chat

00:03:07.620 but uh do you know where you do you know where you are i got stuck in like a loop on youtube shorts

00:03:14.640 i have no business being on youtube shorts but it would just be serving me movie clips because

00:03:20.740 it really knows me hey do you remember how good blackberry was gotta get blackberry a shot but

00:03:26.920 then it's the movie clips every single one is layered with extra music and it's always like

00:03:34.820 some funk instrumental of gangster's paradise by coolio and then there's captions that just

00:03:42.580 are not accurate they're just they're not even they're right in the center of everything

00:03:47.200 but they're wrong and then you're talking about how it's being like flipped and deep fried and

00:03:53.080 yeah yeah they'll like mirror the image in the middle of a scene like ruining the scene like

00:03:57.560 why would you even post this and what i don't get like same with the music it takes i know it's not

00:04:02.800 difficult but it takes time for you to edit these do you really think are you getting more engagement

00:04:08.120 by like mirroring and deep frying and adding shitty it's either that or they're hoping that

00:04:13.580 the algorithm doesn't detect that it's just ripped from a movie but also i'm like it is just one

00:04:20.700 indian guy doing this for a dollar a day opening up cap cut you can make these that's that's what

00:04:27.460 I think is that a lot of these it's it's not because it's a good idea like you sometimes you

00:04:32.800 want to look at it this is a very western or anglo thing maybe that you look at a weird thing

00:04:38.000 you don't understand and say it must be because I'm not smart enough they understand some complex

00:04:43.540 thing about the algorithm or about the market or about mass psychology the psychology that that I

00:04:48.680 don't understand there's something I got to crack into this and you're like trying to dig into the

00:04:51.920 metaphysics no it is internet access for a billion iq 75 rice farmers and curry niggers who literally

00:05:00.740 have a cell phone and cap cut and don't own shoes and they do this all day and that and it doesn't

00:05:06.900 actually work it's just garbage we needed to revisit the charlie kirk incident all right what

00:05:15.360 happen we got new fresh news or what well i liked our coverage last time because my opinion is

00:05:22.560 unchanged i think we were vindicated on a couple of things but i was surprised by the way that

00:05:30.880 the multitude of narratives have developed from the chakra thing um and also you mean the main

00:05:37.120 like in the mainstream or in our community kind of kind of kind of both um so yeah we got liberals

00:05:43.760 and leftists claiming that the shooter was in fact far right you seen that yeah they were trying to

00:05:51.280 deny that he was and we we said he was a leftist we had really no evidence to go off of i was just

00:05:56.960 saying that's most likely what it is there was some you know some murmurs he might have been a

00:06:02.880 griper or he might have i mean israel's still on the table i'm not you know what i mean yeah people

00:06:09.760 people on our side on the far right not everyone but i'm noticing a few people say that it's

00:06:15.680 obviously not israel anyone who says it is israel is not a serious person i mean i don't have a lot

00:06:21.520 i don't really have any conclusive evidence but there's some evidence there's some good you know

00:06:28.720 notes on why they could be involved and i i just i'm gonna say that's on the table until further

00:06:35.520 notice i want to say the line of reasoning for me without even looking at evidence is i always

00:06:40.640 you know look at who benefits from the killing if it was a total totally random killing which

00:06:46.080 it could have been right it was a totally random killing then it's totally believable

00:06:50.400 that it was a low iq true lover faggot dumbass kid if it was an organized killing and we have

00:06:57.120 to say well who organized it and why and i really do think the only people that benefit from charlie

00:07:02.560 kirk's killing is the israeli lobby because they are in the process right now with bap and with

00:07:08.160 everything else that's going on over the past few years they're trying to capture the resurgent

00:07:12.080 right wing so charlie kirk's death is an absolute coup for israel and i i mean and i so whether i'm

00:07:19.440 not saying they killed him but you can't deny that this is in the israel since october 7th has been

00:07:25.040 crashing in public opinion with the left and the right and now it's like oh but he was a lion of

00:07:31.520 israel and now which is which isn't even really true but that's how it's being sold so i'm not

00:07:36.240 saying israel did it but i understand people who at a glance like it was israel i get it i do

00:07:41.200 understand why you would say that yeah and i agree completely uh there's a lot of people that i've

00:07:47.360 encountered who don't really know how to interpret that too or they don't know how to interpret what

00:07:52.320 you just described which is it seems that there's a movement away from the israel project especially

00:08:00.480 amongst other jews which was surprising to people um and i saw i'm seeing the wildest claims made

00:08:08.480 about israel right now uh but i i'm reminded of a clip i saw from the leader of the american

00:08:14.800 communist party named haz otherwise went as infrared he was a streamer right but now he's

00:08:22.160 deep in with the dugan sphere the alexander dugan sphere i'm pretty sure they're just uh russia cut

00:08:29.360 out basically at this point i think they're pretty open about that he was pushing maga communism and

00:08:34.640 stuff and he had this clip where he was saying that the belief that judaism has anything to do

00:08:43.120 with zionism is zionist propaganda and in fact zionism has nothing to do with the jewish people

00:08:49.760 it should be emphasized that the conflation of judaism with zionism is a form of zionist

00:08:55.760 propaganda and whoever's engaging in it is engaging in has hasbro if i'm saying it right

00:09:01.920 you're engaging in propaganda for the zionist entity what now i've zionism as in the belief

00:09:10.880 that jews have a home in israel is is itself not jewish or israeli well that's and we laugh at

00:09:21.680 that of course anyone who's initiated understands that right but you understand the narrative shift

00:09:27.860 that's being attempted i'm not saying it's going to work but it's at least being attempted

00:09:31.420 for these people and we always said this with the whole israel palestine thing which is that

00:09:37.040 most of the pro-palestinian people see israel as an american imperialist project they see israel

00:09:45.040 as baffling as it might sound to us as an extension of white supremacy within the region

00:09:50.820 i mean there's a lot of reasons i i don't think that's true but i don't fault them for saying

00:09:55.000 that like israel would not exist if it weren't for american largesse the only reason israel

00:09:59.300 isn't a fucking crater is because of american help so i'll tell you this i i might disagree

00:10:04.640 just because i think israel maybe if we went back a few decades that might have been the case

00:10:10.200 um but i think you'd be surprised at how well israel would survive just based on their nuclear

00:10:18.820 armaments like we should try that we should test that i think we should try it so it's israel's

00:10:24.240 fault you said it you said it not me yeah that's it i i actually think if we decoupled i don't

00:10:31.080 think israel's ever going away even if america decouples from them i bet they would seek out

00:10:34.980 strategic partnerships in the region i honestly think people would be surprised how many arab

00:10:39.220 states fair fair wouldn't give a fuck like they could get the the saudis and the egyptians and

00:10:44.020 now the syrians and i mean look if if what's going on there with their territorial capture

00:10:49.720 continues they are going to have greater israel by 2030 they're going to have like

00:10:54.360 eastern lebanon southern yeah and guess what then they shift to being anti-america see how many

00:10:58.880 friends they get that way yeah which could work they could they could go into russia and china

00:11:03.960 sphere like they'll they'll just fucking plant somewhere else and control somebody else's

00:11:08.540 fucking congress so sounds like some silly war gaming but why not because they're always going

00:11:12.840 look out for israeli interests of course but that's how they view it similarly a lot of the

00:11:18.360 leftists and the palestinian people here they view like the zionist project and they want to separate

00:11:24.680 that from the jewish people and that works for them that makes sense to them and i've spoken to

00:11:32.680 a lot of people in our community when they go talk to their liberal family members or friends that

00:11:38.360 this kind of reverberates into their sphere too where they're saying like

00:11:42.280 you know when jews come here they're white they're basically white and we reject that premise

00:11:46.360 entirely but no one else does everyone else sees them as just white so they frame this whole thing

00:11:52.280 as an anti-white thing which makes sense for them and so yeah zionism is because of white america

00:11:58.920 that's what they're going with and they're trying it out and let's see how many jews go along with

00:12:05.080 them they might say we were never resigned because it makes it if it makes jews look bad

00:12:11.160 they will pivot do you ever like wake up or do uh like do something you're just like what the

00:12:17.720 is going on you know and there's always been a line between the jewish diaspora and the israelis

00:12:24.840 like they're not they're not really the same thing they want you know i was telling that

00:12:29.720 an anecdote of the uh of my right-wing israeli friend who hates liberal new york jews like

00:12:35.000 despises the jewish diaspora and is very militant racist but i shouldn't say friend he's not my

00:12:41.560 friend but a guy that i know but yeah they like there is a huge huge divide within the jewish

00:12:47.400 community so that's why it gets so difficult to you know ask some of these commentators on our

00:12:53.320 side what do you think the jews are actually doing i'm like i always come back to the rule about jews

00:12:58.520 just two things one do jews have a self-awareness a you know racial and ethnic and ethno-religious

00:13:08.280 self-awareness yes and two do they have the capacity to act in their own interests

00:13:16.200 and yes obviously and if the answer is yes to both that explains everything they're doing

00:13:20.600 whatever whatever the question is asked what would serve their interest they they would do

00:13:25.240 what anyone else would do i'm not just saying it's right and so apples and in that case what's going

00:13:29.960 on is really just a matter of scale there's nothing necessarily unique it's just everything's

00:13:34.280 cranked up to 11 with them because i mean look the whole look if if niggers could pass as white

00:13:41.640 they'd be doing it too right the jews are the only diaspora in north america that can and have

00:13:48.120 practiced and done a pretty you know successful job of pretending to be us it's krypsis right

00:13:54.680 if anybody else could do it they would have done it the italians have done it but i guess the

00:14:00.280 italians don't have that the original jews there's not a lot of difference between you know matzo

00:14:08.680 and mozzarella i just infuriated so many italians by saying that the italians don't listen to the

00:14:16.600 show give me a break so we got liberals claiming he's far right this morning i had a feeling about

00:14:23.080 it but i just i wanted to get confirmation what the the casing said and once i was reading um

00:14:28.920 as soon as it said catch this fascist i knew everyone was gonna go oh something about him's

00:14:33.480 on the left that is what they say on the right because they don't think they're fascist

00:14:38.760 they call everyone else fascist nick fuentes constantly attacks people calling them fascists

00:14:45.640 uh we had like ed krassenstein one of those i guess they're democratic party operatives or they

00:14:52.600 were and they're trying to say no he was far right uh because he wasn't trans and say well

00:14:58.980 he was dating a tranny he would say well that just makes him a heterosexual man because if

00:15:04.880 you're dating a trans woman you're dating a woman so that's a heterosexual relationship you say oh i

00:15:09.240 i remember who i'm talking that doesn't make right wing that just makes him a groiper

00:15:13.100 buck status what the sigma but like everything everything we know about like the tranny thing

00:15:19.740 it's like whoa so he was a woman what's wrong a woman can't commit a crime you know i mean like

00:15:23.600 they will just not go with you on that and i was i suppose i shouldn't be surprised but i was

00:15:31.940 somewhat surprised at how no one was willing to take any accountability for this that they were

00:15:37.180 just he's far right and then you or what they were trying to do was say oh yeah he killed someone

00:15:42.880 what about all the far right violence against our politicians and they kept posting these instances

00:15:49.380 of democratic candidates or mayors or congress people being attacked or killed and if you take

00:15:55.320 two seconds to look into it it was always like pro-palestinian people or other democrats or

00:16:01.520 anti-fuck yes but but you it doesn't matter what do you do gotcha you're gonna say gotcha

00:16:08.740 they don't fucking care this it this isn't a discourse that's what we were saying last time

00:16:13.720 i think charlie kirk was just the death of discourse because i don't know about you i'm

00:16:18.900 gone i'm out i we've been gone for a while but that to me was like okay everyone get up to our

00:16:25.420 level why are we even talking these people you're not going to get them you're not going to outsmart

00:16:30.040 them you're not going to outwit them with your rhetoric because to them it's just they don't

00:16:36.220 believe what they're saying they don't read the articles they half read the headlines this isn't

00:16:40.560 anything all the energy that you've spent on discussing topics with your enemy you need to

00:16:46.080 take that energy and you need to put it towards building a wall between you and your enemy and

00:16:50.500 getting away from them physically and fighting them if you have to i just want to make a couple

00:16:54.780 things clear and we don't need to spend too too long on this because we have quite a bit to talk

00:16:58.320 about but in case people had a misconception i am not against political assassinations as such

00:17:08.040 oh yeah did we say that we were that would be foolish that's ridiculous because here's what

00:17:14.860 the left is and a lot of the liberals they have got us on their gotchas kind of work when someone

00:17:21.400 some commentator candace owens or someone they go say it's reprehensible that people are making

00:17:27.360 light of charlie kirk's death and then they'll pull up half a dozen posts where they were

00:17:32.940 celebrating someone else's death or calling for death yeah and i'm like yeah no don't pretend

00:17:39.020 that you don't want your enemies it's reprehensible when you kill our guys because

00:17:44.700 our guys are the good guys it's funny when your people die because you fucking suck and we like

00:17:51.320 you i don't know why that's so hard to understand everyone's like he's a he's a father he's got a

00:17:57.020 beautiful life like that is true and that's why i like him more and if a gay guy that i don't like

00:18:03.300 was shot i wouldn't say he's got a husband and three cats fuck them i actually don't care let

00:18:10.080 me say this might be a bit much but if rich hanania was shot i'd be making merch too yes

00:18:18.740 there's guys who doesn't like it when people they hate die there was this touches on the big

00:18:27.120 the big change the big shift after he was shot which a lot of people pointed out correctly

00:18:33.280 is that tons of us uh were mocking him like days before he was shot and now that he's shot

00:18:39.760 suddenly we're all boys and we regretted and isn't it a shame that charlie died and

00:18:44.520 in other people have pointed out charlie was an interesting character because he kind of had a

00:18:48.720 foot in both spaces at least from from a radical right perspective in that he was a white guy he

00:18:55.660 was pro-family he was pro-christianity he was pro you know he's a western chauvinist or whatever

00:18:59.880 but he was also a zio shill so he had a foot in each camp now it seems as though the reason he

00:19:06.700 was shot is for being a family man who's anti-abortion and anti-trans and christian

00:19:12.020 and for that reason he was shot for being one of us so we stand for him right but if he had been

00:19:17.660 shot for being a zionist shell and then shot by one of our guys no less i think we probably would

00:19:22.940 be clapping i'm just saying if it turned out that he actually was shot by one of us for being a

00:19:28.480 zionist shell i don't think there would be as many of us you know at vigils for charlie i think like

00:19:34.720 the optics of what happened not just what happened but why it happened do matter in a case where the

00:19:40.380 guys kind of playing both sides i would say just i don't think i would celebrate if one of our guys

00:19:46.020 shot him though but there might be other people well i mean it would be a practically a bad

00:19:50.480 situation if one of our people shot him it would be a stupid thing and i hope nobody does that

00:19:54.580 because i to the people who are kind of you know criticizing us i would say i have made fun of

00:20:00.840 charlie kirk many times in the past yeah i criticize him very intensely for a lot of the

00:20:05.200 same reasons other people did i also don't think he should have been shot but i'm also not against

00:20:10.420 people getting shot like he was he's a guy i'm like he makes sense out there i get him i get

00:20:16.120 what his thing is and he was diametrically opposed to us in many things but you know i'm that

00:20:22.440 character makes sense out there but i if him being shot i'm not against you know if scott adams was

00:20:31.660 shot i'd love it well there we go that's my point that's my point it's it's the who the guy is

00:20:38.060 and why that matters right here are you telling me you wouldn't laugh if scott adams who is

00:20:46.400 dying of cancer was also shot that's kind of funny he's on his deathbed terminally ill and a

00:20:53.920 and a terrorist blows up the building where he's like or he's just in his because he doesn't look

00:20:58.900 like he leaves the house he's just in his house i don't know that's gonna be kind of funny a stray

00:21:03.140 bullet from a gangbanger goes through his window and gets him in the neck yeah or maybe it's the

00:21:07.900 neck that's bothering people you know like that's a big graphic it is you have to admit it's 30

00:21:14.900 funnier when someone's shot in the chest neck it's to anything involving the neck right yeah

00:21:21.080 was pretty graphic but shot in the stomach you ack you make a bunch of funny noises that's pretty

00:21:30.640 funny or noises you didn't think you'd make you what if um because here's the thing if he was

00:21:37.520 shot in the stomach and he's more likely to survive right and he survives what are we saying

00:21:44.100 we're saying haha yeah i mean he's gotta have a colostomy bag the rest of his life

00:21:50.260 okay you think they're not bringing that up when he's speaking to a crowd one of the groyper slips

00:21:57.400 in the column hey hey shitly kirk give your respect something uncreative you see what i'm

00:22:05.780 saying so but yeah well we got off on the weeds on that one yeah but but also undoing all of the

00:22:12.580 goodwill from the previous episode but this is grounded in if he was alive we can have a laugh

00:22:19.700 I put my arm out and I'm like, hey, I'm happy I live in a world where you're not shot to death, Charlie Kirk.

00:22:25.840 And I'd mean that.

00:22:26.860 Or if the shooter shot him for better reasons.

00:22:29.220 Yeah.

00:22:31.220 What would a good reason be?

00:22:33.100 I'm not saying this, but this is, I'm playing devil's advocate.

00:22:37.500 You could write on the bullet casing.

00:22:39.420 We went further into the weeds on this.

00:22:41.780 You could write on the bullet casing that he is he is more responsible than any living man for turning right wing American youth towards Israel.

00:22:53.320 And that's I think that's pretty close to a true statement.

00:22:56.700 If somebody was mad enough about that and shot him, I don't think the conversation on our end would be the same.

00:23:02.960 i do wonder if he's even been that effective only because if we look at where we're at right now

00:23:08.960 we're living in unprecedented times when it comes to anti-semitism in america maybe not in america

00:23:14.480 but within the past half a century so i know they've been trying but they've been failing it

00:23:20.000 seems but this is look i don't know any better right but if you look at it it's like a it's a

00:23:28.320 It's a fish tank, man. We're all in this right now. So it's kind of it's kind of counterfactual, like the state of anti-Semitism as it exists, exists in an environment with 15 years or 10 years of Charlie Kirk.

00:23:40.720 And Charlie Kirk has been everybody admits that he essentially won the election for Trump in some sense because he was the first time in decades, generations that you got the young people out to vote for Republicans.

00:23:52.420 so if he had that much power how much power has he had to reinforce like christian zionism like

00:24:00.620 this idea that you know israel's our greatest ally and israel are god's chosen people and

00:24:04.920 go to war to israel go to war with god these are all things that he's been pushing for a decade

00:24:08.560 to young impressionable christian right-wing minds there are tons of people and i'm just saying that

00:24:14.280 like to just all else being equal if charlie had been shot 10 years ago there are tons of guys

00:24:19.320 that would be in our camp not in tp usa so and i'm not saying that's the reason to shoot him

00:24:26.280 but i can't i can't i can't think of it any other way he has absolutely been responsible for turning

00:24:33.120 the youth to the ward the right but at the same time he's been responsible for turning right-wing

00:24:39.440 youth who should by all rights be extremely anti-semitic and making them philo-semitic

00:24:45.040 well and also this all goes

00:24:48.120 hand in hand with what we were just saying

00:24:49.880 that there seems to be a move right now to separate

00:24:52.160 Judaism

00:24:54.160 and Jewish people

00:24:55.700 from the Zionist project

00:24:57.540 or at least throw BB under the bus

00:24:59.600 but also

00:25:01.840 do you want to hear some bad takes

00:25:03.140 let's hear it I'm always here for bad takes

00:25:05.720 this is the type of shit

00:25:07.880 I was talking about before I'm looking at Planet

00:25:09.660 Critical this is a sub stack

00:25:11.460 written by a woman Charlie Kirk

00:25:13.580 probably deserved to die

00:25:14.780 that's just the title of it

00:25:17.400 and it's

00:25:18.860 the subheading here is going to make you

00:25:21.920 even more frustrated

00:25:22.640 in its quest for empathy

00:25:24.340 the left has lost its moral clarity

00:25:26.600 so the one thing the left had going for it

00:25:29.580 was the moral clarity

00:25:31.000 to blow things up and kill people

00:25:32.740 and it lost that

00:25:33.560 it's so tough for the left

00:25:34.760 when the two defining features

00:25:36.520 up until now had been

00:25:37.720 a quest for empathy

00:25:39.080 and moral clarity

00:25:40.500 but they just can't coexist

00:25:42.520 oh i love there's a lot of bullshit history in here and references to other authors but the

00:25:49.460 first line here our long history of human flourishing was predicated on our ability

00:25:54.600 to check bad behavior so right away i'm like i know where this is going well the thing is she's

00:25:59.400 right and the only reason you fucking faggots and degenerates exist is because about 120 years ago

00:26:04.780 we stopped checking bad behavior all of you should be in the oubliet you know what as i'm reading

00:26:10.720 this um i might agree with it even though she is because she's saying the right things for the

00:26:17.820 wrong reason she's saying that the argument is that murder is always wrong because the loss of

00:26:21.440 human life is inherently bad and she's saying that to say actually the loss of human life is pretty

00:26:26.520 good so i'm like i i get that i don't think you will like who i think that about this is you

00:26:34.700 this is good open the floodgates yeah which i think i don't think that's happening as of yet

00:26:41.940 but i like even when we're talking about cancel culture the idea of political violence being

00:26:48.580 necessary to accomplish anything politically is something we've explored on the show many times

00:26:54.560 in the past from i don't union riots to kidnappings this was pretty standard throughout western

00:27:01.260 history i mean people used to get shot way more during elections people you know i mean but uh

00:27:09.580 so we might be seeing a return to that or the absence of that was always just a historical

00:27:15.580 aberration furthermore i was never against cancel culture what i was against was a bunch of you know

00:27:24.060 faggot lunatics using it against me and people i like but just as she stated here that you know

00:27:30.860 loss of human life isn't necessary it's not that the loss of human life is reprehensible in all

00:27:36.540 cases you know we need to cancel people but someone getting canceled well what does that mean

00:27:41.900 yeah they're exiled from polite society they get fired from their job for something they did or

00:27:46.540 they said what i don't like is people getting fired for saying things that i say which i believe are

00:27:52.940 true that's what we were getting fired for and what we're seeing now in the wake of charlie

00:27:58.960 kirk's untimely demise is many celebratory liberals and left is getting fired from their jobs

00:28:06.240 their teaching positions lose going bankrupt in some cases because they were celebrating charlie

00:28:12.720 kirk and then people are just doing what the left did for many years calling up their employers

00:28:16.660 getting them fired and i like that yeah and i don't like it for any ideological reason i'm

00:28:26.720 i think there's more people now as we said before meeting us where we're at which is i just want my

00:28:33.360 enemies to suffer i don't really i'm not interested in explaining why either and that's what you're

00:28:38.340 seeing on x of all places and elsewhere where all these you know middle of the road commentators

00:28:44.760 are saying like oh looks like the party of free speech doesn't believe in free speech anymore i'm

00:28:49.640 like nope nope it's funny because their absolutism on the free speech and the the cancer culture

00:28:55.640 thing is the same reason they don't understand gun control right which is like you want to you

00:29:01.080 you're afraid of anything happening ever with a gun or you're mad about guns in general you don't

00:29:06.040 care about context and likewise with free speech or you know what i mean it's like oh i thought you

00:29:10.440 guys love speech like no no we like our free speech we don't like your free speech we think

00:29:14.280 free speech should be regulated and people like us should have it and you should not

00:29:18.360 that's that's it's a weapon it's the same as a gun and you should not have it but we should

00:29:22.760 all of us should have three actually and that's what scares them the most because they will bray

00:29:28.920 and groan and say this is how tyranny happens people get so divided and they can't talk anymore

00:29:35.480 and then one side votes in a tyrant that elects himself as a monarch just to punish the other

00:29:40.680 side and i say yep that's where i'm at i don't i don't fucking care i i care about the qualitative

00:29:48.040 attributes of that person i'm not going to do i'm not going to elect or choose to support someone

00:29:54.160 who's like a pedophile or something but so like every president for the pretty much if you can

00:30:00.040 convince me they're not a pedophile i'll let everything else slide at this point like i want

00:30:05.920 someone who's going to be ruthless in punishing you yes you i'm pointing at you journalist i'm

00:30:12.060 pointing at you fucking commentator who's like oh well you know it looks like the anti-cancel

00:30:18.340 culture anti-wokes acting pre-woke uh-huh they're even there's even talk

00:30:23.580 about going after quote hate speech i love i love for for for hate speech to be muted i'd love

00:30:33.740 i'd love for for for people uh to speak more civilly but as as conservatives brought up last

00:30:43.520 night it was charlie kirk who said we have to let everybody speak yeah call me whatever you want

00:30:51.840 i'm a hypocrite i i forgot what i said last week i don't care haha i'm i'm smiling i'm smiling and

00:30:59.040 laughing because nothing you say registers to me anymore i want to do whatever it takes to grind

00:31:07.040 you into dust that's it that's why i get out of bed in the morning i want to see you disenfranchised

00:31:13.200 i want to see you suffer i remember every single one of you i remember what you said and did during

00:31:18.480 covid i remember what you said and did in the years prior to that i don't need a list

00:31:24.160 i got a mind i got a mind that remembers things you know what i mean like yeah

00:31:28.800 I there's that's all I care about that's all most people care about right now that's what they want

00:31:33.800 Donald Trump to do they want him to be an unhinged psycho and like imp like throw every Mexican

00:31:39.920 in a trebuchet and launch them over the border and I don't think they're joking they were joking

00:31:44.260 during the first term they're not joking anymore now if anything they're frustrated that he's not

00:31:48.100 going far enough as they should be because he's not but you know that's why I like cancel culture

00:31:54.700 I want the right people cancelled. I want my enemies cancelled.

00:31:57.580 Because that is how you build a functioning society.

00:32:00.840 The only thing that matters politically is human capital.

00:32:05.560 Jonathan Bowden had it correct when he said you have to clear them out.

00:32:09.860 Because how has that free speech fight, that good fight, been going over the past few decades?

00:32:18.360 With the libertarians and the conservatives and even us for the right.

00:32:22.660 has there been a single win no because the rules are there the laws are there but what matters is

00:32:31.160 who enforces them especially here in canada we discussed this when we talked about canadian law

00:32:35.960 about how so much power is granted to the individual judges in whatever case it is because

00:32:42.960 the rules while being very dense and labyrinthine with their legalese it's a lot of the word

00:32:51.760 reasonable it's a lot of you know you can you have this right until such a time as it is not in the

00:32:59.200 spirit of canadian law so that just grants total power to the judges and look america has a superior

00:33:06.800 constitution it's a lot clearer it's a lot smaller it's a lot more definite that's better but

00:33:14.160 apparently it doesn't matter because in all these other instances it's up to the judges or the

00:33:19.840 lawmakers or the state whether or not they want to enforce it there's no amount of laws that can

00:33:26.560 exact your will across time what it comes down to is whoever is enforcing those laws so you just

00:33:35.200 need to get rid of those people you need to remove them from power and put the right people in power

00:33:40.640 because it's always going to come down to that there's no perfect constitution there's no perfect

00:33:45.280 law especially if you're projecting centuries into the future so you have this law that no one

00:33:52.160 really believes in no one really believes in free speech if you get down to it there's all kinds of

00:33:57.640 caveats in that it was always deployed as a strategy by us to get the other side to stop

00:34:03.820 fucking with us they've been waiving the constitution they've been waiving the spiritual

00:34:08.700 or ideological defense of free speech for as long as i can remember and it hasn't worked and so i

00:34:14.900 it's just people waking up to the fact that it of course will never work and really what it comes

00:34:19.220 down to is having the right people in power to just interpret things the way you want them to

00:34:23.940 be interpreted because there is no systems solution to this you have inferior human capital

00:34:32.100 interpreting these and so that must be addressed and you can keep waving the constitution or the

00:34:38.340 charter of rights and freedoms all you want but it's not going to save you when you're in front

00:34:43.300 of a judge jimmy kimmel just lost his show jimmy kimmel just lost his show because he he said

00:34:52.420 something mildly inaccurate about charlie occurred here's where it became interesting earlier today

00:34:58.900 the fcc chairman brendan carr went on a far right webcast and condemned kimmel and urged

00:35:04.180 abc to suspend him he also talked about possible regulatory punishments of disney because there

00:35:10.020 there are lots of different stations that have licenses with the FCC.

00:35:14.660 Within the past hour, we've heard from a big owner of stations

00:35:18.280 that have affiliations with ABC, a company called Nexstar,

00:35:21.520 saying that they were going to suspend Kimball's show on their station.

00:35:25.100 So in other words, about two dozen stations were refusing to air Kimball's show tonight

00:35:29.360 as a result of this controversy.

00:35:31.680 You know, if you actually look at the clip, it wasn't even that bad.

00:35:35.300 But I don't care. Here's why.

00:35:38.500 i have this one crazy trick i don't like jimmy kimmel and i like seeing him fired damn son

00:35:46.280 where'd you find anyone can do it don't over i don't fucking care why i don't care if they

00:35:52.420 fired him because he wore sunglasses indoors i'm not going to defend him i'm not going to

00:35:57.880 defend anyone any one of these people who hates me on some what if they fired him for being white

00:36:03.680 well then i say i guess we should do you should search get a job from a nigger we should fire

00:36:12.040 all these white producers and white tv should we should fire all of them you might say these

00:36:17.080 white men you know you should do go get go get a job at bet you hated white people for so long

00:36:21.700 i bet black people will hire you oh no they won't well i'm sure one of your white friends will hire

00:36:28.540 you oh no what about la raza i'm sure they need a new host yeah i'm not gonna do anything for

00:36:34.820 jimmy kimmel but i bet all of the good people who support him will help him let the free market

00:36:41.580 decide oh it turns out that your your utility to the fucking kikes has worn out and now they don't

00:36:48.460 you were never interesting to begin with you were oh my joke was that he's actually jewish he is

00:36:53.300 he's jewish isn't he he's like he's camel i thought he's very jewish is he the man he did

00:37:01.540 the man show and he's jewish oh is he not oh yeah no he's jewish he is you know what

00:37:08.660 but that's my point though it's like he no he's they fired another good white man is like please

00:37:14.660 i was operating on the assumption that he racket racket good white man keep firing them please

00:37:19.300 yeah i was under the impression he was white however i'm looking at a photo of him now he

00:37:24.180 really aged into looking jewish i'm looking you see that right there yeah yeah the top teeth disappear

00:37:32.980 but he was never interesting we were talking about sorry i'm sorry i got i got a headline

00:37:37.060 here from the times of israel 2017 john stewart crashes jimmy kimmel's bar mitzvah oh no is that

00:37:43.860 did you make that up or is that no that is a real headline that is a real headline from the

00:37:48.880 times of israel july 15th 2017 so so jimmy kimmel had a bar mitzvah in 2017 uh maybe it's a maybe

00:37:58.140 maybe they're talking about it happening in the past i don't know but not only are they jewish

00:38:02.720 but there's a jewish media network and they've known each other for decades so he crashed jimmy

00:38:09.720 kimmel's bar mitzvah at like 47 years old this is a fascinating people

00:38:15.100 you think you know everything about them it was the bar mitzvah of the boy he keeps in the

00:38:21.000 yeah it's the remits of the boy you understand yeah that he chewed the foreskin off and kissed

00:38:27.820 on the lips and started rubbing up and down it's that one yeah the one on the mattress

00:38:32.260 it's the one they did it at the bar mitzvah that's they know they did that to commemorate

00:38:37.880 um here's another headline we're talking about like the jewish connections right

00:38:42.920 um the wrong kind of friend rethinking charlie kirk's support for israel reported on by the

00:38:49.400 times of israel um no way written by ben ari grossman that that that's an old jews name but

00:39:00.140 that's a young jewish man on this one right there he is a gross man even in this era of

00:39:06.360 unprecedented isolation our cause is not so desperate that we must welcome with open arms

00:39:10.780 every supporter at any cost when figures like kirk become our loudest defenders it says more

00:39:15.960 about them it suggests that the moral foundation of israel's legitimacy is being eroded until only

00:39:21.140 voices are really alien to the values on which the state of israel was now to remain so i don't

00:39:27.000 know some some like what what like what values of the state of israel what the fuck are you talking

00:39:33.440 about you're found literally founded on bombing civilian airliners and shit like i i don't think

00:39:40.420 they've ever been asked that what are your values it has to be just jews right like there's only

00:39:47.220 one value israel have it's like you captured western governments to evacuate other people

00:39:53.960 from their own land so that you can go there and then massacre them and then blow up the embassy

00:39:59.420 of the governments that did that for you so you could get more land like that's israel in a

00:40:04.600 nutshell and they've been doing it like i can't i sorry i'm sorry i stepped out of frame for a

00:40:10.060 moment i forgot we're talking about a jew of course he knows all of this he's just gotta run

00:40:15.060 the fucking line he has to point he has to tap the sign right this is what's so wild about you

00:40:20.940 can really lose your mind in this sort of jewish stuff we're like okay go back to jimmy kimmel

00:40:25.320 here's a jewish man who was fired from his jewish own network because he was insufficiently

00:40:31.840 deferential to charlie kirk you know i mean it's so impossible to you know find the top of this

00:40:39.020 pyramid really it just seems that no matter which way you go this could benefit israel

00:40:44.200 even though israel is sometimes in the times of israel saying that we don't want kirk as a friend

00:40:50.600 but it's like okay the the narrative could exist that yeah he was shot for being a zionist and now

00:40:57.200 he's a jewish martyr i've been i've been seeing some commentators say that like he was the

00:41:01.440 greatest friend of israel he's been martyred and they're building statues for him in israel

00:41:08.380 and fucking tel aviv so there's that so they they benefit he's a martyr for israel they benefit that

00:41:13.840 but also you see pam bondy out there and we had said this on the last episode that this could

00:41:20.080 also be used to justify the expansion of the security panopticon in the u.s and and for some

00:41:25.920 reason she mentions the assassination of charlie kirk as justification for cracking down on

00:41:31.280 anti-semitism so i'm just saying is that of course it seems that no matter where you go jews are

00:41:36.320 trying to capitalize off this did she did she say that by the way because that this straight up that

00:41:40.800 is what we predicted these universities are complicit in allowing conservatives to be harassed

00:41:46.400 on campus. And what happens when you allow a university to harass conservatives and don't

00:41:52.080 expell or don't take an action is what happened last week. It is. And, you know, on a broader

00:41:57.980 level, the anti-Semitism, what's been happening at college campuses around this country is

00:42:02.780 disgusting. It's despicable. And we've been fighting that. We've been fighting these

00:42:07.060 universities left and right. And we're not going to stop. There's free speech. And then there's

00:42:12.120 hate speech and there is no place especially now especially after what happened to charlie in our

00:42:18.700 society so she's and look i'm i'm just quoting it from you but that's kind of what i thought is

00:42:24.160 of course somebody like bondi who is an absolute inhuman creature to say we're using this to crack

00:42:31.180 down on anti-semitism not anti-christian terrorism not anti-white terrorism not anti-family right

00:42:38.180 terrorism but anti anti-semitism yeah somehow anti-semitism found its way in there so it seems

00:42:45.500 that no matter what there's going to be attempts to for jews to capitalize on this unless it's what

00:42:52.340 we're seeing right now which is people generally criticizing israel and saying israel did this

00:42:58.560 that's the one narrative that exists that could hurt their position and that's the one narrative

00:43:05.640 that you're like you're you're wishy-washy on and i saw this meme uh put out there by mike enoch

00:43:12.360 and uh i got into a bit of an argument with one of our long-time listeners a right-wing persian

00:43:17.560 about this he posted a meme and it was of uh it's the yes meme you know with the blonde hair chad

00:43:25.640 yes so on the left hand side it's a caricature of charlie kirk with a yarmulke and beneath that is

00:43:33.000 just the tranny jack the soy tranny jack committing suicide right it says you must choose a side and

00:43:41.480 he says no the cool chat right and so i just posted one in response which was same charlie kirk but

00:43:48.440 then the other one was just a muslim screaming you know so you must choose a side no of course

00:43:55.800 israel and palestine right and then some people got up in arms over that but i said look i i'm not

00:44:01.000 even saying that you need to pick a side on that but i'm saying that if you are being true to your

00:44:06.440 principles because you had said the reason that you're siding with palestine wasn't even necessarily

00:44:11.400 because you like palestinians you just like that they're hurting jews or they're hurting zionists

00:44:16.920 that's it then you should like this you should like charlie kirk being shot so why not why not

00:44:21.560 the tranny when we thought it was a tranny and the reason that we don't let's let's say it was

00:44:26.040 a training the reason we don't support a tranny shooting charlie kirk is not because we love

00:44:30.120 zionists it's because we don't love either of them we we advocate for ourselves and it's the same

00:44:35.480 thing with like why don't we support palestine because we advocate for ourselves we're not

00:44:39.400 palestinians we hate jews and we hate palestinians all of you while in the middle east right-wing

00:44:45.400 persian like many others were saying jews control you you must be lying against jews because

00:44:51.320 they're the ones who pull the strings they've corrupted you and yes yes okay okay i grant you

00:44:55.960 you that let's put that over here so then if that's true and they are the number one enemy

00:45:01.440 then you should side with whoever is attacking them in this case it was a deranged tranny like

00:45:08.100 tell me why not tell me why not that if if you're being just so cynical about your support of

00:45:13.880 palestinians because i don't buy for a second that you actually like palestinians you just

00:45:17.100 hate israel that much so why not that why not a tranny why not a black man in a dress if it turns

00:45:22.280 out to be that why not and so anyway that was just well and we you have to also you know

00:45:28.420 honorable mention lots of right-wingers do actually like the chinese lots of right-wingers

00:45:35.160 are totally in love with the noble savages in the middle east like striker who apparently

00:45:40.580 genuinely despise working-class appellation whites who have been here for centuries and genuinely

00:45:47.660 love the plucky hardscrabble brown children in the middle east who just want to get by

00:45:53.580 so it isn't inconceivable that you know and of course groper groper's in their fucking cat boys

00:45:59.140 and their trans girlfriends yeah you want to know another narrative that's emerged i know we're

00:46:02.720 spending too long on this but i've noticed that the enemies of that sector you know we've got the

00:46:06.920 back guys over here they were freaking out by saying that anyone that's trying to draw attention

00:46:13.980 to the group 764 or 09A

00:46:17.540 or mentioned that this individual

00:46:19.620 and many others have been radicalized

00:46:22.660 on discords and these sort of like

00:46:24.540 satanic tranny nihilism cults,

00:46:27.300 which we've covered on Real Secret Coffee Hours before.

00:46:30.380 Anyone bringing attention to that

00:46:32.080 is diverting attention from the real culprit,

00:46:34.400 which is like international communist organizations

00:46:37.500 that are trying to subvert America.

00:46:40.140 I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, there's that.

00:46:41.980 yes but 098 is real 764 is real these these things are real and if you want to know more

00:46:52.280 subscribe to real secret coffee hours and i just wanted to point out that these are of course

00:46:58.000 relatively small groups a lot of people think that i'm crazy we're talking about 098 the order

00:47:03.220 of the night angles these people are fucking sociopaths i've known a few people have had

00:47:08.780 run-ins with them at various points over the years but there's quite a bit of writing out there and

00:47:14.620 the way to look at it is this a lot of people don't think that they're an issue because of their

00:47:19.660 relatively small size understandable you know how many could let's say there's a hundred

00:47:25.500 150 098 individuals or 764 individuals right they got a pretty good batting average for political

00:47:34.300 action you know that we're still stuck in viewing these in terms of like a mass movement we need

00:47:41.780 10 000 20 000 people to be relevant these motherfuckers might have 75 people in their

00:47:47.980 discord but they pulled off more mass shootings and more assassinations than any other group in

00:47:54.060 the past 50 years i'm not saying that's successful by our standards that that's successful by their

00:47:59.800 standards they've pulled off what they want to pull off politically and we haven't done anything

00:48:05.880 like that not saying that we should but when it comes to direct political actions they seem to be

00:48:11.240 the ones actually doing things so to me it's not the size that's a concern it's their ratio

00:48:17.400 effectiveness and they might be one of the most politically effective groups out there

00:48:21.480 and that's a problem that's a problem because the people who should be taking it seriously aren't

00:48:27.960 right they just think oh there's only a few of them out there well they've killed more people

00:48:32.040 than any nazi in the past few years you know what i mean like they're the ones actually planning to

00:48:37.640 blow up the white house and they might get away with it because they're so twisted up with federal

00:48:45.480 agencies as well like this is what the happened with adam waffen this is what happened with iron

00:48:51.480 march all these groups they i the question is whether or not they're initially seated by

00:48:58.920 federal intelligence agencies or if they're just co-opted by them later i'm apt to think that

00:49:04.600 they're co-opted later i don't think the federal intelligence agencies really start these groups i

00:49:09.400 think they just kind of get in them once they're going if that and then it's a question of how

00:49:14.680 much they're being directed because to me i don't think you need the cia to get a bunch of trains

00:49:20.680 on discord to get girls to cut themselves which is what they do get white young white girls to

00:49:26.120 cut themselves for fun yeah that's what they do that's that's how they get off so i i think that

00:49:32.280 they end up infiltrated later but the problem is the problem is that seems to happen on so anyway

00:49:38.200 and no one's looking at it and there's one and we can't even police that amongst ourselves because

00:49:43.640 we were talking like it's a boogeyman or something now them it's real and if the if the bronze age

00:49:50.280 pervert fans think i'm an asshole for at least saying that's a problem and these people are

00:49:55.520 your fucking enemies and don't ever forget that up until this point i had humored this group by

00:50:00.160 saying look i disagree with them i think they're misguided but these people are fucking cancer

00:50:05.900 they're toxic get out anyone that has aligned with them is my enemy yeah this is why i called

00:50:11.120 amy theresa stupid fucking cunt to her face seven times before she blocked me good for her

00:50:15.960 i'm mentioning names people don't even know get out like she's such an air-headed hoe

00:50:27.320 she probably you know i mean that she's she's the type of girl who like starts a fight

00:50:30.840 with someone says some controversial opinion and then someone gives some mild pushback

00:50:36.280 and she says i'm just a girl why is everyone mean at me just a case of women on like why are

00:50:42.080 why is anybody following and interacting

00:50:44.580 with women on social media

00:50:46.620 I'm just a girl on my period

00:50:48.300 you know like just

00:50:50.300 backing away immediately

00:50:52.840 from whatever point that she had

00:50:54.360 so yeah and then she's so dumb

00:50:56.680 she's like probably used to guys saying

00:50:58.560 you're a stupid cunt she's like yeah okay

00:51:00.840 I know but what are you

00:51:03.540 I had to do it a lot of times

00:51:05.320 before she said I don't want to talk to you anymore

00:51:07.400 let me ask you

00:51:10.880 before we move on we spent too long on this but this is more of a personal question so the shooter

00:51:16.640 was allegedly discovered by his father i can't speak to the veracity of these chat leaks that

00:51:24.240 are coming out you've seen these they got discord leaks allegedly between the shooter and his

00:51:31.280 tranny boyfriend um there people are saying that it's not written in the way that regular people

00:51:38.480 or that generation would write on discord they're not regular people they're fucking

00:51:42.300 weird ass gay tweakers everyone expects them to write like a fucking methed out zoomer but you

00:51:48.680 know there's enough spelling inconsistencies and retarded nonsense and here's the funny thing

00:51:53.860 that what they're assuming is that these were created by the feds to you know pin it on this

00:52:01.240 person but if you actually read the chat logs he openly admits that all of the symbols that

00:52:07.860 were on the bullets were there just to fuck with people like it was all memes and shit and he just

00:52:14.140 thought it was kind of funny so that if it was an op that would undercut the entire op right if you're

00:52:21.680 trying to condemn the symbolism well you wrote something where he says the symbolism is made up

00:52:27.700 so i don't know what the benefit would be for faking that right um but he was turned in by his

00:52:35.700 father father who was a retired cop i believe now question for you is would you turn in your

00:52:44.340 child if they did this oh yeah i would i would do it you'd turn him in to the police yeah i would

00:52:50.820 now here's the thing let's say we you might be imagining like something if it's your daughters

00:52:56.200 does that change at all or no no not at all

00:53:00.440 and without a second thought

00:53:03.440 I don't think I would

00:53:05.880 why not

00:53:06.860 here's what I think might have happened

00:53:09.400 it's that

00:53:10.860 the young man who did this

00:53:13.840 might have done it to piss off

00:53:15.700 his father too because his father sounded like

00:53:17.640 he was a republican his whole family was republicans

00:53:19.920 and then he like went home

00:53:22.020 and he might have said

00:53:23.760 look dad I shot your

00:53:25.660 favorite guy

00:53:26.600 why wouldn't he

00:53:30.120 turn him in if that were true that might be that would be different because that would mean that

00:53:35.960 your son sees you as an enemy and he took a life just to hurt you that's something different i

00:53:42.040 think my son moving out and sleeping with a gay man and going against everything that i've taught

00:53:47.880 him is enough and again i'm not shooting my son i'm allowing him to serve time like what your son

00:53:55.960 is so much look i'll give a saying the son is an enemy the son is clearly the father's enemy

00:54:00.520 the son made himself an enemy probably five six years ago when he started all this gay

00:54:04.920 yeah the neutral play is to turn him in that's not playing the side of the state or this you know i

00:54:10.760 i had it all figured out until you said all that so well only half of what you heard you know the

00:54:16.920 funny thing is that if the father was actually trying to get the son arrested for everything

00:54:21.560 else leading up to that point he's trying he's phoning up the cops and getting trying to get

00:54:25.320 arrested for dating a tranny and being gay and you know he found his steam

00:54:34.200 his steam library he's trying to guess you should see the they've got him

00:54:38.760 for doing like walking simulators and they finally found something he called the cops on

00:54:43.640 so this was a banner day for him but uh i just i'm torn because i guess it would come down to

00:54:52.040 who he did shoot you know i mean if it was if it was just uh an enemy of mine let's say your

00:54:59.320 your daughter's let's say one daughter they don't need to be in it together one of them shot someone

00:55:04.440 you don't like um it would matter and it was the same thing i was saying earlier about would we be

00:55:09.560 having a different conversation about charlie if the person who killed him was one of us killing

00:55:14.040 him for our reasons because he did have a foot in each camp so if one of my kids killed somebody

00:55:20.040 who i hate for reasons that i agree with then i would cover for them it's as simple as that

00:55:24.840 what if they shot me no it has to be a thing that i agree with i don't agree with shooting my buddy

00:55:32.320 thank you that's what i was looking for to say oh i would turn in my dog okay this is good content

00:55:39.160 if my daughter killed you i would turn her in all right so we spent entirely too long on that

00:55:46.860 it's the whole show yeah um we got something else that people are gonna love um and people

00:55:54.340 have been in my dms knifing me up the ass to get a new gay sex update are you ready for this

00:56:04.260 there might be no more gay sex updates after this yes yes can't will is gay yes we're mentioning

00:56:13.880 christopher camwell because he's been on the show before or we've spoken of him has he been on the

00:56:21.400 well he at one point wanted to do a episode with us just to give a bit of background uh we had

00:56:29.800 reached out to him quite some time years ago um and we were recommended him because he was doing

00:56:36.600 some interesting work apparently on uh the grinder

00:56:43.160 he was doing some good work on grinder no but at the time he was like doing stuff on how to take

00:56:47.320 over a small town like a developing town i think that's interesting and then we reached out and he

00:56:54.280 was being very critical because he didn't want to just go on any show we had to answer a whole bunch

00:57:00.280 of questions and audition for him to come on our show and then he said he would consider it but

00:57:09.080 then things just fizzled out or i tried to set it up and he stopped responding then in the interim

00:57:17.800 news came out and when i say news i mean news released by him about how he was starting a

00:57:23.880 fascinating new series where he's going to start interviewing gay men and that was it that was the

00:57:30.760 new show that that's the show and how are you meeting so thinly veiled how are you meeting

00:57:37.160 these men well he's sourcing them on grinder because where else can you like you can't just

00:57:43.480 go on the street and you know you got to go to the place that is for as much gay sex as fast as

00:57:51.660 possible that's what that is for and uh everyone said hey uh seems like this guy is having gay sex

00:57:58.660 and he's very clearly smoking meth um and we were calling that very early and he denied both

00:58:07.500 then as the months went on the years went on he not only was um on the run from stalkers he claimed

00:58:18.100 that people were gang stalking him

00:58:20.120 people were trying to blackmail him

00:58:21.980 to kill him very clearly

00:58:23.900 off his nut on meth

00:58:25.880 visually he's falling apart

00:58:28.220 and he's posting

00:58:29.960 rambling messages that

00:58:32.240 are you know

00:58:33.120 very familiar to those who understand like what it's like

00:58:36.220 when someone's on meth then he

00:58:38.140 gets busted by the police

00:58:40.140 with a lot of meth

00:58:41.620 and he's in jail so

00:58:44.200 yep we

00:58:45.880 called that and then

00:58:47.720 he was writing letters from prison

00:58:50.180 for a while. I guess his stay

00:58:52.200 in prison wasn't so bad

00:58:53.640 and we'll learn why in a moment

00:58:56.020 but he got out

00:58:58.100 and then apparently there's still people

00:58:59.920 after him

00:59:00.840 because when you think of

00:59:03.200 hard targets

00:59:06.040 it's Christopher Cantwell in 2025

00:59:08.260 anywho

00:59:09.500 if you can think of one guy

00:59:14.160 that any group would want

00:59:15.620 it would be Christopher Cantwell

00:59:17.400 um and then so okay this guy's on meth he's broke he's pissed off and people yelling at

00:59:24.900 everyone because they're not giving him enough money okay then he goes on what i can only

00:59:31.980 describe as a generational crash out and i said that there may be no gay sex update again because

00:59:39.740 i cannot imagine a more bombastic and hostile coming out of the closet than this

00:59:48.980 i don't think you can come out of the closet after this every gay man just seems straight

00:59:56.720 walking out of it at this point maybe maybe that's why he did it like he he locked the

01:00:02.180 closet on every other gay living he did it that's that's the bit that we're doing like

01:00:07.140 he's really doing this to damage

01:00:09.320 the gay community. He's the

01:00:11.300 last gay man. You can't be gay after

01:00:13.400 this. And I got news

01:00:15.480 for you. That means you're

01:00:17.320 gay.

01:00:20.740 Sorry, yeah.

01:00:21.560 We're having some technical difficulties.

01:00:23.520 I think it might be on your end, but it might be on mine.

01:00:25.460 I hope it records your parts.

01:00:27.880 Then he posts this.

01:00:30.400 He says,

01:00:31.100 in October 2023, I started

01:00:33.480 using Grindr to meet men for sex

01:00:35.520 on a regular basis.

01:00:37.140 uh i don't want to promote or normalize this behavior now remember these words

01:00:43.040 remember these words because look i'm going to spare everyone here but if we jump ahead

01:00:49.880 a few days because this took place over the course of many days he ends up posting audio

01:00:54.980 files of him having gay sex with a man like the actual date the sounds he recorded it

01:01:02.160 and um no one i know has listened to it but i've seen a live review of someone who had listened to

01:01:11.120 it and is describing it and uh it's about what you think and he did this presumably to

01:01:17.700 i don't know i don't know who it was for i don't know why he did it the only thing i could think

01:01:22.980 of is that he's trying to promote and normalize the behavior he says i don't recommend that anyone

01:01:29.280 try it i'm only telling you this because it interacts with the story i've been struggling

01:01:34.000 to tell you so i think he's doing this because he believes he's being blackmailed right and

01:01:42.960 i'm gonna just skip ahead in the story a little bit um what recently within the past couple days

01:01:49.200 he was gloating that one of his conquests was a jewish man and he was this jewish

01:01:58.160 man in the ass and uh yeah so he's fucking this jewish man in the ass and he's recording it

01:02:05.760 because he's saying all kinds of cool nazi things about the holocaust of course and uh

01:02:14.640 and he i i think he still thinks he's like a white nationalist like he's doing this for his people

01:02:21.120 and i think once you step back from this you tell me if this is too far i don't want to be

01:02:27.680 misconstrued as being extreme i think if you're having gay sex with a jewish man i don't think

01:02:34.200 you get to be a white nationalist anymore you're gonna be a nazi right forget what in white

01:02:38.880 nationalism that's a big bucket do you get to be a nazi if you're having gay sex with a jewish man

01:02:44.080 i say no i don't know how many people would disagree with that but in his mind i think

01:02:50.580 he thinks he was doing this for the white race and uh there's all kinds of ways these guys break

01:02:56.280 this down by saying like oh i'm giving it i'm not taking it i'm not trying to be graphic here of

01:03:01.280 course but in their minds it would be worse if they were taking it so it's in some kind of

01:03:07.840 dominance position i don't subscribe to that at all uh i don't think you know what i mean because

01:03:13.700 he was also doing this with non-jews he was doing it with white guys so is that serving the interest

01:03:19.660 of jews if we want to get into that labyrinth that sodomy labyrinth which we don't so he said

01:03:26.700 i decided years ago that i was not going to talk about my sex life in public because that negative

01:03:31.340 effects of my relationships with women i would i would assume so you know it's very hard to find a

01:03:38.620 girlfriend if you're like well i i have lots of gay sex and he's he but here's the thing about him

01:03:45.900 him he's boasting about too like i did it sometimes three times a day with strangers and i'm like

01:03:50.180 you keep saying you don't condone it but you seem proud of it this is culturally inappropriate and

01:03:56.920 so he says okay but it turns out my enemies have known about this for a long fucking time so just

01:04:02.960 the reason i was bringing up the jewish thing was because he's saying people got blackmail on him

01:04:08.100 his enemies have been accumulating this information and i said who who could the

01:04:15.460 leaguer be who could it be well you know could it be all those jewish men you fucked and screamed

01:04:22.600 at the holocaust while you were in there at you know i mean like you seem to be speed running

01:04:27.340 making gay enemies and as you were fucking i'm saying i'm famous nazi christopher can't well

01:04:33.620 isn't the holocaust cool like who could have who could have done this who could have tried to get

01:04:39.440 you back you dumb fucking faggot like what a rude go to horny jail no

01:04:49.420 i've got i've got enemies lurking in every shadow every every shadow is a gay prostitute that knows

01:05:00.300 you as the weird

01:05:02.160 angry gay man who's recording

01:05:04.160 them to make content

01:05:06.180 about.

01:05:07.840 I'm not a gay man, but I think some of this stuff

01:05:09.940 would probably be beyond

01:05:12.100 the pale in their circles.

01:05:15.360 I specify

01:05:16.280 on a regular basis because 2023

01:05:17.920 was not the first nor the sixth time

01:05:20.040 I've done this.

01:05:23.700 Here we go.

01:05:24.460 The first sexual contact with a man

01:05:26.160 was when I was between the ages of 14 and

01:05:28.140 16.

01:05:28.560 so you know this is for real then

01:05:31.240 like this isn't just a meth

01:05:33.600 thing because sometimes you hear about these stories

01:05:35.680 about guys who get into the meth and they become

01:05:37.700 complete sexual degenerates

01:05:39.300 but no I think this guy was probably

01:05:41.560 just molested

01:05:42.340 that's a tough one

01:05:45.220 being molested

01:05:47.120 couldn't be me though I was never molested

01:05:49.840 I had a great life

01:05:50.720 I wasn't attracted

01:05:53.720 to men I didn't have sexual fantasies

01:05:55.700 about men I did pretty well

01:05:57.760 with girls for that matter but he's he's saying like gay sex was just his his immediate outlet

01:06:04.200 now uh continuing on he says i've been referencing a blackmailer for a reason they threatened to

01:06:11.360 expose me months ago i told them to go fuck themselves and they've been making my life a

01:06:16.520 living hell ever since he never goes into details on what that living hell is he'll just say like

01:06:22.820 he's living out of his car with a big bag of meth but i don't know like they're ordering pizzas to

01:06:27.180 your house or i don't making it so you don't have any friends that's not their fault um he says when

01:06:34.160 a guy when the guy joined the drug program i'm in to fuck with me i was fucking pissed i hadn't

01:06:40.220 talked about politics on grinder and groups but people in the program already knew me from grinder

01:06:44.480 and the street and the news and there was a whisper campaign already ongoing and the guy

01:06:49.620 thought he could fuck me because i'd be afraid to talk i love this because it just says that

01:06:54.640 everyone know first of all you know you search up christopher camwell you know who he is so

01:07:00.800 they probably know hey here's this new guy who's wearing a swastika shirt uh he's got a swastika

01:07:06.820 shirt and a swastika shoes on and he keeps screaming about the holocaust during sex you

01:07:12.460 know i mean like yeah i bet word gets around it's not a it's not a whisper campaign it's just people

01:07:17.380 whispering like what the fuck is this queen who's this it's it's the meme of the guy in the corner

01:07:23.880 at the party holding the cuff it's like a bit they don't know that i'm a gay sex meth addicted

01:07:29.400 nazi started off shooting dice in the cum slump learned how to load the nine millimeter can and

01:07:36.920 change the trajectory of everything so i'm just reading from a series of his posts right here i'm

01:07:43.720 gonna skip i'm gonna skip the most lured stuff here but here's one post that i love he says

01:07:51.880 Queers on Grindr who don't give a fuck about politics have done more for the cause of white nationalism in the last two weeks than any Telegram channel dedicated to attacking white nationalist content producers has accomplished in the duration of their existence.

01:08:06.260 So he's got a whole bunch of other channels just reposting this.

01:08:11.640 And for the record, I have to give credit to where I'm getting this from.

01:08:14.660 There's a Telegram group called The Absolute State of White Nationalism.

01:08:18.700 they run a show as well and i've listened to a couple episodes it's it's a fine show but they've

01:08:25.900 just been on this for the past while so if you want to just read more of these posts uh i would

01:08:31.640 check there christopher campbell goes on if i were so by the way all these these gay men have done

01:08:38.260 more for white people than any of us have ever done okay by the way these gay guys who aren't

01:08:44.520 political at all he says if i were to announce that i've been fucking men this would not be the

01:08:50.520 most disgusting thing i've ever confessed to my behavior with women in many cases has been far

01:08:56.200 worse i mean he's he's not doing himself in any favors here i've done a lot of fucking damage

01:09:03.160 trying to get laid over the years and that's something i'm deeply ashamed of it's no coincidence

01:09:08.020 that the same people who react most negatively to the tasteful to the tasteful and informative

01:09:14.240 of conversations i've recently published are in large part the same people of trouble with women

01:09:18.420 oh this is an older post this is back when he was pretending that he wasn't having sex with gay men

01:09:23.380 yeah he was just sourcing interviews on grinder um and he it was never clear about why he was

01:09:31.200 doing it like and just to reiterate that it's like i'm doing something this is going to make

01:09:35.080 sense in time i mean in a way it did so here's the last thing i'm gonna read um and we're not

01:09:42.280 gonna go too deep into this but it says

01:09:44.460 not for he starts by saying

01:09:46.540 not for the faint of heart

01:09:47.840 not for the faint of heart

01:09:50.760 audio of me fucking

01:09:52.580 a 24 year old guy in his mouth

01:09:54.600 and ass and talking lots of shit

01:09:56.620 while I do it yeah

01:09:58.660 AJ Soprano

01:10:00.980 style talking some mad shit

01:10:02.680 saying fuck you man

01:10:04.420 he says why am I sharing this

01:10:06.880 because eventually

01:10:08.360 someone else will I mean

01:10:10.840 i mean if if you recorded it you know i mean like hey this thing this bad thing might be happen and

01:10:21.380 i'm not sure exactly how bad it's going to be and or when it's going to happen so we're going to

01:10:25.940 bite the bullet and make it as bad as it can possibly be and do it right fucking now like

01:10:32.020 what possessed you second thing because i think some of you will find portions of it very amusing

01:10:37.660 did you no well look in fairness he's talking about us we're making content out of it so i mean

01:10:43.180 it's true he's i do find it amusing but he's hey guys guess what i did i'm like

01:10:48.940 i i don't think you understand what the bit is here

01:10:55.740 hey you want to hear some cool things he says during this gay sex here's one thing he says he

01:11:01.100 says i'm gonna take this out of you and put it in women to save the country from the genetic

01:11:06.060 disaster these jews have made of us get a life jews this is like if seth rogan wrote a nazi

01:11:15.020 sketch into his movie or something right this is something a jew would write to make fun of nazis

01:11:23.200 like i'm having gay sex with you but i'm gonna i'm gonna outbreed the blacks later

01:11:28.040 how deluded do you have to be yeah high five canwell that was you got him

01:11:36.240 you got him got it got his ass in more ways than one

01:11:41.480 here's another cool thing he says uh maybe i'll find a woman who will let me keep you as a pet

01:11:49.500 going right like to me these guys who are molested at a young age you gotta watch out

01:11:56.460 for the serial killer but i'm not i'm half joking when i say that this guy's probably strangled a

01:12:02.040 gay guy to death at some point by the way like they said is you know love is love and it's the

01:12:06.640 same as uh heterosexual people okay how many of you married guys have ever said that to your wife

01:12:11.660 or any anything remotely similar to that what the fuck dude that's that is that is an insane

01:12:20.540 thing to say like step back for a moment what the fuck did you just say to this guy

01:12:26.620 he says if i had a computer handy i'd trim this down to give you some of the parts you'll laugh

01:12:31.260 at without all the slapping and moaning but this guy was produced to share with twinks for the

01:12:36.060 purpose of getting me laid it's a peek into a world you or i will never understand of course

01:12:45.660 this is like all the comments has this channel been hacked

01:12:50.540 no you just didn't see the signs yeah so we'll just end there to me the the tone he brought

01:12:58.160 with this was yeah so i fucked jewish guys what what fuck you you know i mean i've never seen

01:13:05.320 that before coming out the closet stark naked looking for a fight saying you know i mean like

01:13:14.480 the only thing worse would be that if he was sucking off black guys nigger balls like i think

01:13:19.620 nobody's saying that he that he isn't or didn't i he almost certainly did he's on meth

01:13:27.780 i think if you're in the gay community there's a lot of black guys

01:13:33.540 per capita we've talked about this before like they're they're twice as gay as any other race

01:13:38.660 niggas be gay like you can't tell me that christopher camel didn't a black guy you

01:13:44.500 know what i mean like if he's approaching this from an ideological perspective like he's doing

01:13:50.920 this to win the race war then why not why not that why wouldn't he do that he fucked a jew

01:13:55.220 why not like you went you went you went full monty on the full and jeez i mean it would be

01:14:01.700 so funny this whole bit is too much man he was still locked into that the right stuff.biz

01:14:07.600 worldview or it's like we don't even care about blacks it's about the jews it's only the jews

01:14:13.000 we're only gonna fuck jews if you're if you want to fuck any other race that is a distraction

01:14:18.480 that's a pressure release that's finkle think that's just you're in the kosher sandwich

01:14:23.740 oh man what a mess and it's only like this is ongoing by the way he's still sober from the

01:14:36.360 sounds of it he was released from jail but he's still at war but how can you be sober and still

01:14:40.000 have the gang stalkers like that's just some schizophrenia man like it's not real it's like

01:14:44.680 people scratching their nose at the grocery store and you think that they're giving secret signals

01:14:48.160 to assassinate you also you could be the laziest stalker in the world you would say

01:14:53.800 all right chris uh give me a couple bucks or i'm going to send these audio files that you've been

01:15:00.680 sending to uh everybody you keep making your own doxes and sending them to whoever yeah so i'll

01:15:11.580 just i'll set i'll put one up on the telegram i'm gonna make i'm gonna make deep fried ai edits

01:15:17.280 over metal your solid and put them on tiktok also i'm not convinced that the stalking is not part

01:15:24.640 of whatever this fetish is i think everything about this i think the meth i think pretending

01:15:29.840 that you're being hounded by a shadowy cabal of probably gay men yeah i'm being i'm being forced

01:15:38.400 to release this now this is this is part of something horny i just i get the sense i don't

01:15:44.960 like it this whole thing stinks but now you know now you know this is the saga of christopher

01:15:51.360 campbell we had a commentator in our community one of the germans he said what would the way

01:15:57.600 back from this b judas go ahead what's the way back from this pit there's no way back into the

01:16:04.320 pit you go but because before this he was already a weird loser that no one likes right look i was

01:16:12.240 i've been very sad and disappointed to watch his downfall because i think 15 years ago he

01:16:17.120 was a pretty cool guy i i mean and it turns out he wasn't and he's always been gay

01:16:21.120 hey i didn't like you know i i i thought that his behavior during the charlottesville trial was

01:16:28.300 um commendable so it's a shame that he literally like you said it's it's like a generational

01:16:34.880 crash out and it's all you know the charlottesville trial was good he was on the top of his game

01:16:41.680 not long ago maybe that's well that was 10 years ago but still you do well it sounds like he was

01:16:48.160 having gay sex the entire time he was i mean that's the i think the point he he hasn't said

01:16:52.640 that but we all know right like you're molested at 14 you've been having gay sex the whole time

01:16:58.540 so this is what happens when the sodomy goes pear-shaped

01:17:01.520 this is what happens when you're underwater on the gay sex right now it flipped on you

01:17:08.140 you're inverted you're in a position you don't want to be in all right so moving on there's a

01:17:15.080 lot we didn't get to right now in fact before we move on i just want to tee up a crimes chat

01:17:21.640 oh cool that i wanted to get to for quite some time and i just kept forgetting and we get

01:17:27.460 too busy with other topics but this was submitted by soggy socks this was a fairly long one it's

01:17:35.260 just over three minutes but he's recounting a story that's one of many i've heard like this

01:17:41.060 where it's the story of a young idealistic man

01:17:44.960 who decides to be a homesteader

01:17:47.920 and wants to do what so many young men want to do.

01:17:51.640 They want to go work on a farm,

01:17:53.920 have your lodgings taken care of.

01:17:56.120 It's like Yellowstone, right?

01:17:58.200 But it turns out that's not all that was cracked up to be.

01:18:02.860 So we're just going to play that now.

01:18:04.400 Crimes Check.

01:18:11.060 so like i said there were a lot of uh female admins in this chat and uh one of them um i

01:18:22.420 won't call her by her name uh because there are people who um i like that would be negatively

01:18:34.640 affected by this being just totally aired out um it's not a huge secret but it's kind of unpleasant

01:18:42.560 just to have on the on the whole ass internet so there was a a woman in in this chat who was known

01:18:51.440 to be um an older woman uh 30s to 40s um so not like a grandma but past optimal childbearing age

01:19:00.900 and over time she ended up kind of capturing the interest of one of the guys in the chat

01:19:08.520 now this woman owned a uh oh i think still owns a pretty decent size of land i believe up in the

01:19:17.860 pacific northwest maybe a little farther east out of that region i can't remember if it was

01:19:22.380 like washington or idaho or maybe oregon maybe even montana i don't remember they're all very

01:19:29.200 vague about details they didn't want to you know dox the place really and so she was she was raising

01:19:35.640 livestock on there i think she was trying to raise some crops too and basically this guy in chat she

01:19:42.220 she sort of made him become her new boyfriend and slash farm hand and when he got out there

01:19:52.300 it quickly turned into a fucking nightmare i mean this is a a sort of white nationalist type guy

01:20:02.800 and he gets out there and there's this mexican guy there who's sort of working the farm

01:20:09.560 and is also her ex-boyfriend

01:20:12.180 and she's actually really just brought him there to quote unquote give her a white baby

01:20:22.680 he also comes to find out that she had gotten pregnant by this mexican at least once and

01:20:31.880 aborted any and all pregnancies so this guy thought that he was going to go get a hot mommy

01:20:40.540 rancher gf instead all he got was haunted pussy um she ended up like not really paying him for

01:20:50.020 any of the work um she was very hostile towards him very manipulative etc and um he ended up broke

01:20:59.640 and several of the guys in chat uh pitched together uh i think about a thousand bucks

01:21:06.040 uh so that he could get his vehicle fixed and so that he could escape and eventually he did

01:21:13.760 after several setbacks uh and like i said this was a woman in like a pro-white like white nationalist

01:21:23.100 honestly pretty fed posty uh community uh she was fucking nuts most of the other women in this chat

01:21:31.940 were fucking nuts. Um, pretty much all of the pay gang people in here posted some of the, just the

01:21:39.800 most absurd stuff, um, like goddess worship. Um, I mean, there, there's this one Latvian guy who

01:21:48.640 legitimately, I'm pretty sure legitimately thought that the, um, the Rig Veda, the Rig Vedas were

01:21:55.560 actually like ancient latvian literature um very very strange group of people um and all much

01:22:05.340 much stranger than asha at least anything that we know about asha publicly

01:22:10.160 whoa that was good that was a good one yeah um so i just wanted we haven't done show news

01:22:24.280 in many many episodes so i just want to throw many things at people right now so there's a

01:22:29.860 new real secret coffee hours check out our gumroad check out our patreon weekly new episodes where

01:22:37.080 i review a substack or an article of some kind and there's been a few that have been released

01:22:43.320 since i last mentioned it there's one about hassan piker there's one that was an article

01:22:47.980 written by the canada anti-hate network that was on the topic of re-migration and ironically it

01:22:55.580 proved that re-migration was not genocide so that was a good one um on the vanguardist journal

01:23:02.460 i neglected to mention this before this is how long it's been since we did one of these but

01:23:07.580 the uh speech that i gave at the event that we hosted at the cabin that's up there too so you

01:23:15.780 can read through that um the latest do you even read was released uh last week i believe

01:23:23.280 that's myself and prudentialist we did an episode on um it was on this great book called futures

01:23:31.880 past on the topic of historical time and semantic time i usually don't post those episodes at the

01:23:38.800 ends of these episodes but i might do it for that one or maybe the next one just because they're i

01:23:45.120 really like doing them they're really interesting they're really trippy heady stuff um there's a new

01:23:49.540 panel that we did just this week on monday you can find that on our youtube our rumble our odyssey

01:23:57.120 or on x and it brought together a few individuals ben fleming uh reactionary reading law and yuri

01:24:05.460 basmanov who runs a very popular sub stack and the title of it was how to take down an ngo

01:24:11.640 and i think i'm not going to have that on this episode it might be on the next one because i

01:24:16.520 have another interview to get to on this one but uh that was is what it sounds like it's how would

01:24:22.820 you go about taking down a non-governmental organization um so check that out if you have

01:24:29.480 the time and if you keep listening to the show you're gonna hear it eventually so what else here

01:24:35.840 now if we have the time i would love to get into this book that i read recently that took me

01:24:45.520 quite a bit of time to get through yeah sure would you like to hear yeah yeah let's hear it

01:24:49.140 it sounds like our audio is fixed for the most part right now you know what i'm on brave and i

01:24:54.720 put the brave shield down and then reopen the tab and it hasn't been bad since then so i think it

01:24:59.400 might be that so the book is titled the master and his emissary by yain mcgill christ i a i didn't we

01:25:09.960 didn't we do this already i've mentioned it before but we didn't cover the entire book um because i

01:25:17.860 have notes from it here that i was going to get into in a bit more detail but it's something that

01:25:23.120 i've been talking about pretty frequently over the past few weeks on various appearances i've

01:25:30.200 been on that's going to be featured in the next vanguard's journal article and i think i've been

01:25:35.580 talking about it in voice messages that i keep inundating the chat with but uh i was going to

01:25:42.120 get to it now and i don't think i'm going to be able to do it justice because this book was

01:25:47.140 something like 800 pages it's a it's a great book very long lots of information in it and it goes

01:25:54.900 into very interesting realms i wasn't expecting it goes into philosophy it goes into world history

01:26:01.060 but um the subtitle of the book is the divided brain and the making of the western world now

01:26:08.020 this would fit very well alongside some of the other books we've covered in the past

01:26:12.100 on the human brain so that would be society of mind by marvin minsky that would be julian janes

01:26:19.680 in his breakdown the bicameral mind that's actually mentioned in this as well we've covered

01:26:25.340 many books on what the mind is how the brain works things that nature but this one takes a more

01:26:34.180 cultural and political point of view and if i had to describe it in one sentence it would be that

01:26:40.540 you know there's two hemispheres to the brain the left and the right that are responsible

01:26:45.320 for different things um and without getting too much into julian james and what sectors of the

01:26:53.220 brain were once used and no longer are the idea is that you know one side is more for creating

01:27:00.560 mental constructs of things creating advanced theories it's more of like a mind space tilted

01:27:07.080 towards permanence and abstract thought and the other side is for apprehending immediate information

01:27:12.680 and it's designed to just serve the landscape taking a lot of information a wide scope of

01:27:18.020 information and figure out what the patterns are and then it kind of brings that over to your mental

01:27:23.220 models and so the idea was that at certain points in history throughout europe and the ancient world

01:27:31.140 but also perhaps even now with more savage tribes, certain hemispheres have dominance over the other.

01:27:39.080 And so I started asking interesting questions about this,

01:27:41.980 and I learned from a colleague who'd written a fascinating book called

01:27:45.720 The Right Cerebral Hemisphere and Psychiatric Disorders,

01:27:48.680 that when people have right hemisphere strokes,

01:27:52.980 although they can still speak and use their right hand,

01:27:55.800 because that's all to do with the left hemisphere, or most of it,

01:27:58.900 their whole grasp of the world has changed so neurologists in busy hospitals are worried about

01:28:07.500 people who suddenly can't speak and use their right hand understandably but they're not

01:28:11.820 particularly worried about somebody who just seems not to be able to get with it and they

01:28:17.520 just send them home but in fact getting somebody over a right hemisphere stroke is much harder than

01:28:23.340 getting them over a left hemisphere stroke even given that that left hemisphere stroke usually

01:28:28.400 results in loss of your dominant hand and uh not being able to speak for a while which would mean

01:28:35.440 maybe you can apprehend more data and information from the real world but you can't

01:28:40.140 think abstractly about things and um there's obviously some controversy about this not

01:28:46.100 everyone believes it and i'm sure even though perhaps a hundred percent of this theory is not

01:28:54.000 true i think there's enough that's true that it tracks with things we've discussed before and when

01:29:00.040 you explain it to people they seem to get it right and i wonder if um you know we discuss this in our

01:29:07.400 community quite a bit and this will be mentioned in the next vanguard's journal article but there's

01:29:14.400 a lot of qualitative abilities of the human mind that not everyone shares what i mean is you know

01:29:23.760 when people say can you imagine an apple and rotate an apple right or do you have an inner voice

01:29:31.120 these are two different things right a lot of people say no i don't know how many but not

01:29:37.120 insignificant amount furthermore it doesn't seem correlated with iq i've known some middling to

01:29:43.760 high IQ people who don't know how to create an image in their mind and walk through it. They

01:29:51.840 don't have that mental space. However, they're great at solving puzzles. Maybe they're great at

01:29:56.600 calculating vast equations, right? So it's not stupid people versus smart people. Many people

01:30:04.620 probably heard of this already or read it before. So I'm just going to give the broad strokes of

01:30:09.220 this but i think even the broad strokes without getting too into the biochemical nature of this

01:30:16.040 it's interesting enough and i think people will understand where he goes with it which is that

01:30:20.100 this is one of the reasons why there's such a stark difference between the western world and

01:30:24.460 other parts of the world because our brains became more optimized for long-term mental construct

01:30:32.080 abstract thinking or being able to you know create vast ideas in this mental space

01:30:38.880 so i'll just read some parts here that i think articulate it better he says my thesis is that

01:30:45.120 for us as human beings there's two fundamentally opposed realities two different modes of experience

01:30:52.000 that each is of ultimate importance in bringing about the recognizably human world and that their

01:30:57.600 difference is rooted in the bi-hemispheric structure of the brain it follows that the

01:31:02.400 hemispheres need to cooperate but i believe they are in fact involved in a sort of power struggle

01:31:08.160 and that this explains many aspects of contemporary western culture and what he had done effectively

01:31:16.640 was to look at the history of the last hundred years up until the 20th century and modernism

01:31:23.920 And he had spotted that there are an enormous number of parallels

01:31:27.260 between things that were desirable and promoted

01:31:33.320 and became salient in modernist art, literature and thought

01:31:38.760 that were also to be found in people with schizophrenia.

01:31:44.620 And it's a very subtle book and it's beautifully written

01:31:47.380 and it's not a hard read and I would recommend people to read it.

01:31:50.840 It's a work of great scholarship.

01:31:52.080 But what he does, he goes over about 25 areas that schizophrenic people tend to, in which they perform oddly.

01:32:04.500 They think oddly, they speak oddly, they have different ideas from the ones that we would consider normal.

01:32:10.680 And in every case, he could find a parallel in these 25 apparently, you know,

01:32:18.100 unconnected apart from the fact that, yeah, people with schizophrenia think like this too.

01:32:22.080 now it is true that although until that point in history almost very few vanishingly few i can

01:32:29.040 think of about two or three people in the history of of of art in in in the west actually were

01:32:36.640 schizophrenic in the 20th century there were a lot of people who were borderline schizophrenic or had

01:32:42.080 schizophrenic episodes but i think the key for me was that i happened to be researching this changes

01:32:50.480 in the brain in schizophrenia and the ways in which this impacted their ability the individual's

01:32:58.080 ability to use their right hemisphere so what they seem to do was over rely on their left hemisphere

01:33:04.040 and not actually function as far as the right hemisphere was concerned and that's a simplification

01:33:10.260 anybody you know who's a psychiatrist or neurologist listening to this bear with me

01:33:15.740 because i go into it in detail in in both that book and in um the matter with things but i think

01:33:21.660 what i can see there is that the culture started to behave as though it were in the mind of somebody

01:33:29.900 whose right hemisphere was simply not functioning so that would even be a more simple way of saying

01:33:36.700 it and he believes he gets into this at the end that i believe we've tilted more towards the left

01:33:43.820 him this year i'm not making sure that i have this right but the more immediate side he says we're

01:33:47.820 losing our capacity for that you know robust long-term thinking everything's more immediate

01:33:53.580 this would fall in line with marshall mccluhan and the global village and the re-tribalization

01:34:00.460 of the western mind losing that sort of individuality i think as you lose individuality

01:34:06.060 as you lose the capacity to create that world in your mind and there's not a lot of benefits to

01:34:12.540 that a lot of people think there are a lot of people romantically look at these other cultures

01:34:17.660 and say look how collectivist they are but you know you sacrifice a lot you'll sacrifice a lot

01:34:23.740 of what really makes you the faustian man the hyperborean man the man who can accomplish these

01:34:31.180 things that you think you should be able to accomplish he says in humans just as in animals

01:34:37.900 and birds it turns out that each hemisphere attends to the world in a different way

01:34:41.980 and the ways are consistent the right hemisphere underwrites breath and flexibility of attention

01:34:48.440 whereas the left hemisphere brings to bear focused attention this has the related consequence that

01:34:54.160 the right hemisphere sees things whole and in their context whereas the left hemisphere sees

01:35:00.280 things abstracted from context and broken into parts from which it then reconstructs a whole

01:35:05.860 something very different and it also turns out that the capacities that help us as humans form

01:35:11.260 bonds with others such as empathy social understanding and so on which involve quite

01:35:16.040 a different kind of attention paid to the world are largely right hemisphere functions now

01:35:20.820 i remember that our art teacher in high school she had this really great um exercise that she

01:35:33.960 would do with us um and i love the these sort of i don't know i really love these like strategies

01:35:42.140 to try and play around the left and right hemisphere because if you're drawing something

01:35:47.760 you're painting something it was this art teacher who really introduced me to the idea of negative

01:35:52.920 space i'm sure you recall this i remember that art teacher yeah i remember that yeah like don't try

01:35:59.040 and paint the thing paint the space around the thing yeah paint the negative space and that

01:36:05.620 you'll find that you can paint or draw with more accuracy furthermore try flipping it upside down

01:36:11.420 whatever it is if you're trying to reproduce something right and that would be an exercise

01:36:16.280 like you're just trying to recreate a drawing that you're seeing it's like well turn it upside

01:36:20.120 down turn the photograph upside down and don't draw the symbol draw the shapes because what

01:36:26.360 happens is for people who have more access to that left side i believe it's the left side

01:36:31.880 that is more for the abstract thinking you're looking at a picture of an apple so what you

01:36:38.040 are drawing is the symbol of an apple that sits in your mind you're actually drawing what's there

01:36:44.600 and he described it right there where it's like that whole part of your brain is for like

01:36:48.440 dissecting the information that takes it and reforming it into a symbol and and reducing

01:36:53.720 everything to parts and figuring out how the parts work so you have like this one size fits

01:36:58.480 all symbol of an apple that's where you drop a knot what's actually there and that's where you

01:37:02.800 get into problems where you're trying to draw hands or try and draw like fucking draw a tree

01:37:06.800 draw anything so it's not accurate but if you draw by by flipping it upside down or drawing the

01:37:14.680 negative space you're breaking out of that hemisphere into the other hemisphere which is

01:37:20.560 just I'm going to draw shapes as I see them as accurately as I can see them.

01:37:24.820 So I felt like that's a way where you could sort of bridge the gap

01:37:28.840 and shift from one hemisphere to the other.

01:37:32.220 And I didn't know that was what was happening at the time.

01:37:35.080 But I think that is a way that people can look at the world

01:37:38.460 because on the left hemisphere, that's the side of biases,

01:37:43.300 that's mental models, that's templates,

01:37:46.160 that's you comparing what you got with what you experienced.

01:37:49.120 and the thing is the more experience that you have the more you can rely on that experience

01:37:54.200 as a model for the world and you stop taking in new information and it behooves us to take in

01:38:00.500 new information and always be testing what we know versus what we see and not become closed off

01:38:06.240 because that's not optimal for survival either and you need both to be optimal for survival

01:38:12.940 If I dispose my consciousness in a very narrow way, which breaks up the field of reality into small disks,

01:38:22.680 which then appear to be fragments, which the brain then has to assemble in order to understand,

01:38:28.140 then you see a different world from the world that you see if the way you dispose your consciousness is maximally broad,

01:38:36.360 rather as in certain kinds of meditative practice in which you try to just take in as much as possible

01:38:44.660 of what is going on around you without forming any judgment upon it.

01:38:48.080 In other words, not setting the talkative part of the mind,

01:38:51.900 basically the left-handed subconscious cognition, not setting that going.

01:38:55.860 And that in the Buddhist tradition is known as monkey mind

01:39:00.000 because it's jabbering and it's all over the place.

01:39:03.620 and stilling that enables one to see more people become especially on our side because

01:39:10.100 people on the right have a high disgust reflex and we're low in agreeableness all those criticisms

01:39:17.260 you hear but we don't like new information a lot of the time except for what we do on the show

01:39:22.380 we're determined to seek out new information and test it against what we know sometimes we find

01:39:27.720 something we like but i think you need to have that more people need to have that the ability

01:39:33.480 to employ both hemispheres and don't be afraid to take in new information but have the mental

01:39:38.580 models to figure out whether or not it's good or bad you know what i mean because the opposite is

01:39:43.620 you can take in all kinds of information and love it and find as many patterns as you want

01:39:47.980 and that's closer to a lot of conspiracy theory guys do they love because yeah yeah because you

01:39:55.840 look at all the information and you find connections and find patterns and it's vibrant

01:39:59.920 it's interesting and you just kind of stay there and you never compare it against maybe even the

01:40:05.760 other mental models that you have for other conspiracy theories that don't make sense

01:40:09.500 you know contextually with that but they just live in that right hemisphere and maybe it's

01:40:14.820 happier over there maybe you have a better time over there people locked in the abstract mindscape

01:40:20.760 are pretty miserable but i don't know that just means you'll fall for anything too and that's

01:40:26.900 what i'm saying like on the right it's not even that our side is predominantly one or the other

01:40:31.820 because i actually see a mix of both both extremes and maybe that's on the left too i don't know

01:40:37.480 the people who get like too into theory versus those who are just you know flying off the handle

01:40:42.920 like antifa so he continues on here he says in fact the universe has no profound symmetry rather

01:40:49.880 a profound asymmetry more than a century ago louis pasteur wrote quote life as manifested to us is a

01:40:57.480 function of the asymmetry of the universe since the since then physicists have deduced that

01:41:03.880 asymmetry must have been a condition of the origin of the universe it was the discrepancy between

01:41:09.080 the amount of matter and antimatter that enabled the material universe to come into existence

01:41:13.960 at all so i i think that is naturally true right symmetry is something that we seek out but

01:41:21.480 asymmetry even in the human body you know we're not perfectly symmetrical people's faces are not

01:41:26.680 perfectly symmetrical that seems to be true so why would there be a perfect symmetry in the brain

01:41:34.440 one would have dominance over the other makes sense he says uh the conventional neuropsychological

01:41:41.800 literature distinguishes five types of attention vigilance sustained attention alertness focused

01:41:47.160 attention and divided attention while not identical vigilance and sustained attention are similar

01:41:52.520 and they're often treated as one concept to sum up the right hemisphere is responsible for

01:41:57.640 every type of attention except focused attention from this it follows that in almost every case

01:42:04.200 what is new must first be present in the right hemisphere before it can become the focus

01:42:09.640 of the left however once the skills have become familiar through practice they shift into being

01:42:15.240 concerned of the left hemisphere even for skills such as playing a musical instrument

01:42:20.440 uh so that's interesting how like this is where you get into k-lines remember we talked about

01:42:25.080 society in mind what is a k-line a k-line means knowledge line and when you build a mind from

01:42:30.440 infancy up into adulthood you start by having to master individual tasks walk in eating breathing

01:42:38.600 really you don't think of it like that but kids kind of need to learn how to breathe

01:42:44.040 then you start to tie those together into sequences for quick recall and that's really

01:42:49.160 what triggering means that's you know some people deny ptsd exists but the concept underlying ptsd

01:42:56.280 does make sense is that you can have certain attitudes and certain feelings tied to certain

01:43:01.640 functions that your brain just uses as a quick script when it needs to do something and if you

01:43:07.160 you have something negative tied to certain behaviors that means when you trigger that you

01:43:12.520 know mental process in the operating system it also triggers a negative feeling or something or

01:43:17.560 a fight-or-flight response because of how that was coded in neurobiologically so the idea is that

01:43:23.640 what a k-line is is you do something so often it becomes automatic you don't need to think about

01:43:29.300 it anymore it becomes subconscious and you've stepped up into a higher order of thinking

01:43:33.480 to the point where you're kind of thinking about thinking but you don't need to think about walking

01:43:38.700 and breathing or walking and chewing gum or you know driving if you remember what it's like to

01:43:44.000 learn to drive a car everything is intense focus everything is hyper awareness and then suddenly

01:43:50.380 becomes second nature what's that about well that's k-lines being formed you don't even think

01:43:54.920 about these automatic functions anymore so i think i think that is true what he was saying

01:43:59.640 um he says because of the right hemisphere's openness to the interconnectedness of things

01:44:05.680 and so this would be the more immediate brain it is interested in others as individuals and in how

01:44:11.040 we relate to them is the mediator of empathic empathic identification if i imagine myself in

01:44:17.380 pain and i use both hemispheres my your pain is in my right hemisphere considerable interest has

01:44:22.860 been raised by the discovery that there are neurons nicknamed mirror neurons which are both

01:44:27.700 active when we do something and when we watch others do it physiological and behavioral evidence

01:44:33.460 indicates that the left pars opularis the area of the frontal lobe critical for speech production

01:44:41.140 contains mirror neurons which are involved in the imitation of finger movements interesting stuff

01:44:47.380 he gets into something here that is somewhat divergent from what we're just talking about

01:44:52.180 but i found it interesting i don't know how popular this theory is but i just wanted to

01:44:58.420 read it see what you think he says fairly obviously one might think language must have

01:45:04.260 developed for communication but that's not as obvious as it seems some 300 to 400 000 years

01:45:10.680 ago or longer hobo hibodeo benignis the common ancestor of homo sapiens and homer the neanderthals

01:45:18.980 had a large brain and a vocal apparatus comparable to modern humans and although we cannot be sure

01:45:25.400 of the earliest date that such features arose it may well have been as long ago as about half a

01:45:31.520 million years it would seem then that for most of human history despite a large brain and presumably

01:45:37.120 high intelligence they managed to communicate satisfactorily without language as we understand

01:45:42.540 it ultimately music is the communication of emotion the most fundamental form of communication

01:45:48.800 which is phylogeny as well as ontogeny came and comes first neurological research strongly

01:45:56.960 supports the assumption that our love of music reflects the ancestral ability of our mammalian

01:46:02.640 brain to transmit and receive basic emotional sounds um but so what he's saying there is that

01:46:10.120 music predates language and music was an even more ancient form of communication

01:46:16.920 and that we had the organs and we had the tools to make sounds

01:46:24.020 that could later on be used for language,

01:46:27.220 but it wasn't that they were terribly underdeveloped.

01:46:30.040 What do you think about that?

01:46:30.880 What do you think of that theory?

01:46:31.860 That immediately tracks.

01:46:34.080 I don't know why it isn't obvious that that's true.

01:46:37.780 I don't know why.

01:46:38.340 I guess what I mean is I don't know why I never thought of that.

01:46:41.460 Of course it is.

01:46:42.300 like because music when you think about it is pretty wild you know i was just thinking about

01:46:49.320 like it's it's insane thinking about the concept like uh ai music now that ai which is just pattern

01:46:56.320 recognition and like collapsing algorithms can can take these sounds and patch them and put them

01:47:02.080 together in totally new songs and immediately everybody is like wow that's a great track like

01:47:07.460 okay well because it really is just it really is a basal thing that's going on there right

01:47:13.540 it's it's just certain sequences of tones pull on something in the back of your brain

01:47:19.360 and you know you you even it's like getting away from the idea that as a musician as an artist you

01:47:27.160 have you can take credit for these tones there's no new tones we've been using the same tones for

01:47:32.100 probably hundreds of thousands of years it's hardwired and that's why it feels so good it

01:47:37.600 will fucking sex or sugar with salt yeah like music shouldn't be as powerful as it is for people

01:47:45.740 but it is and uh it's not an aspect of modernity that we love music certainly technological

01:47:53.660 advances do have something to do with like the production and proliferation and marketization

01:47:58.480 of music but i don't know music's always been there and it's always been like something else

01:48:03.320 it's something different than literature and it seems that the poetry was so interesting because

01:48:10.660 poetry you know compared to literature seemed to integrate the musicality it's like not it's

01:48:21.000 not just lyrics it's not just lyrics to a song where it's written to a rhythm but sometimes it

01:48:24.880 is sometimes it's written to something that we perceive to be a rhythm but it isn't but it's

01:48:30.400 there's a musicality like an like almost an ontological musicality to music to poetry rather

01:48:37.240 um it's a strange thing to think about but he continues on here and he builds in this idea he

01:48:43.480 says it's been suggested that our concepts are determined by the language that we speak this is

01:48:48.220 called the saber wharf hypothesis however there's no more than half or a quarter of truth to that

01:48:54.720 He says, he says, moreover, there's evidence that five-month-old babies have a concept to do with the tightness of fit, which they subsequently lose if their native language does not embody the same concept.

01:49:06.980 The sapomorph hypothesis has partial truth.

01:49:09.300 If you don't have the word, you're likely to lose the concept.

01:49:12.580 But this research demonstrates that the concept can arise without the word and is therefore not dependent on it.

01:49:19.760 So thinking is prior to language.

01:49:22.260 and i never considered that before but you know there's this belief that first you get the language

01:49:27.760 first to describe the idea then you can articulate the idea then you understand it but if you've ever

01:49:32.260 raised children as you have they the hardest part about raising kids in the early years

01:49:39.720 is that they desperately want to communicate something but they don't know how so partially

01:49:46.900 it's because they don't have the word but it's not even just that because they'll hear you say

01:49:51.880 the word they can't say the word but they get the word is but even before that when they're very

01:49:57.860 very young you can tell that there's desire there but they lack maybe we do them a disservice by

01:50:03.060 saying they know the word but can't say it i don't think like if we agree with what's being written

01:50:08.080 here they don't know the word at all they know the concept in abstract and they can understand

01:50:14.280 us based on tone and expression and body language they understand the abstract concept

01:50:20.580 but they can't they don't have the word i i will say the the only thing i was thinking of was

01:50:26.460 uh for example this evening nichols he wanted a certain dinosaur toy and he we have a name for it

01:50:34.980 but and he knows that we have we call the dinosaur by its name but he didn't know the name but he

01:50:40.280 just he was saying ocean dinosaur and so i said oh you mean this one and he said yes yeah but it's

01:50:46.640 kind of like a person that's like i know what i want i don't know what the word is but i'm going

01:50:50.340 to describe the things around it like you'll see kids like describe the negative space around the

01:50:55.380 concept they know right right how to describe it so like they don't have the word but they can

01:50:59.080 like if the trend if the word is just a tool then it doesn't matter whether it's that they don't

01:51:03.180 have the word itself as a tool they don't have the tool of language at all but either way we're

01:51:07.660 talking about the um everything that you put into a kid's head or everything that's in a kid's head

01:51:13.060 was put there by you through language through education when in reality probably the most i

01:51:18.900 again assuming this is true that the most important parts of what makes you the type of

01:51:24.420 person you are were there and were more they were activated or mapped onto language as you grew up

01:51:32.800 they weren't created or instilled in you they were just they were just assigned a phrase you know

01:51:39.700 what i mean like that i mean i had never this is wild i say wild all the time as if i'm fucking

01:51:45.360 ted in the chat but really this is wild yeah it's and there's so much of this in the book is very

01:51:51.900 very long and there's all kinds of examples he really spends a lot of time giving you

01:51:56.440 varying evidence for here's the way attention is done by left and the right here's how

01:52:04.540 metaphor here's where metaphor comes from so i'm not getting in all that i would encourage people

01:52:10.020 to read it if they haven't and decide for themselves but just continuing on that thread

01:52:15.560 we were talking about he says the origins of language and music and the body could be seen

01:52:20.480 as part of a bigger picture part of a primacy of the implicit metaphor comes before denotation

01:52:27.820 this is both a historical and epistemological truth metaphorical meaning in it is in every

01:52:34.300 sense prior to abstraction and explicitness. The very words tell one this. One cannot draw

01:52:41.780 something away unless there's something to draw it away from. One cannot unfold something and

01:52:46.400 make it explicit unless it's already been folded. The roots of explicitness lie in the implicit.

01:52:53.020 As Lichtenberg said, most of our expressions are metaphorical. The philosophy of our forefathers

01:52:59.000 lies hidden in them. The paradox of philosophy is that we need to get beyond what can be grasped

01:53:04.120 or explicitly stated but the drift of philosophy is always and inevitably back towards the explicit

01:53:10.760 merlot ponty heidegger scheller and later wittgenstein perceived that explicitness ties

01:53:16.360 us down to what we already know however much we may carry on unfolding and unfolding it um

01:53:25.320 and just i know we gotta get going soon so i'm gonna try and get to the back end of his thesis

01:53:31.080 here we started with this theory on the conflict between the left and right but how does that relate

01:53:36.760 to european history or western history he says here the history of the west shows times when

01:53:42.840 a move forward in one hemisphere releases a move forward in the other according to nietzsche's

01:53:48.040 assertion that these two very different drives which he calls the apollonian and the dionysian

01:53:53.880 exist side by side mostly in open conflict stimulating and provoking one another to give

01:53:59.080 birth to ever new more vigorous offspring in whom they perpetuate the conflict we have now reached

01:54:04.680 a point where for reasons i've suggested the balance has swung too far perhaps irretrievably

01:54:10.120 far towards the apple apollonian left hemisphere which now appears to believe that it can do

01:54:15.800 anything make anything on its own like the emissary in the fable it has grown tired of its

01:54:21.960 subservience to the master and as a result the survival of domain they share is in my view

01:54:28.120 in the balance so so just to reiterate the left side is the side of the mental

01:54:38.600 mindscape the realm of theories the land of i would say more long-term thinking which is

01:54:47.000 important but as he described earlier it's also the the hemisphere for dissection for unpacking

01:54:54.360 for unfolding for taking things apart putting them back together and he's saying in so many words

01:55:01.400 that this is the curse of modernity or rather modernity is the curse of this that we think

01:55:07.000 we can take everything apart every everything is just mental models the only thing that matters

01:55:12.520 is mental models and whether or not things fit within those mental models or it's the bias that

01:55:17.560 we can take everything apart understand how it works and master everything that way contrary to

01:55:24.360 what i said at the start i for a moment i thought you might be thinking we're becoming more savage

01:55:30.840 my thing is the opposite we're shutting ourselves off from new information we think we can dominate

01:55:37.000 the universe with our science but ironically that is closing us off to new information that might be

01:55:45.320 important for survival he says today all the available sources of intuitive life cultural

01:55:51.640 tradition the natural world the body religion and art have been so conceptualized devitalized and

01:55:59.080 deconstructed by the world of words mechanistic system and theories constituted by the left

01:56:05.720 hemisphere that their power to help us see beyond the hermetic world that it's set up has been

01:56:11.320 largely drained from them i have referred to the fact that a number of influential figures in the

01:56:15.920 history of ideas among them nietzsche freud and heidegger have noted a gradual encroachment over

01:56:21.100 time of rationality on the natural territory of intuition or instinct so that's really what he's

01:56:29.000 getting at there um and i tend to agree what do you think about that do you think that's true

01:56:34.340 and i suppose the next question was is it true and then if it's true do you think it's good

01:56:39.940 do you think because the other thing he remarks on in the book is that appreciation of art and

01:56:46.700 music is part of the right hemisphere uh it's more immediate it can't be justified it doesn't

01:56:52.720 desire to be justified it's just something you know it's blood memory it's all that shit but it

01:56:58.240 can't be rationally unpacked so people say it's stupid or it's unimportant but that's only because

01:57:04.020 we're so far on the left right now anyway do you think it's true and if it's true uh do you think

01:57:09.480 it's good or bad yeah i think it's i think it's true and it's bad and part of the reason that

01:57:16.160 this resonates with people here and probably why we keep bringing this book up here year after year

01:57:20.960 is that on some level like we don't like calling ourselves conservatives right or

01:57:26.420 we call ourselves right wingers or whatever i think um to me what kind of makes a right winger

01:57:33.240 is that it's like when saying like i'm not going to question what my father or my grandfather did

01:57:38.320 i'm just gonna do it i'm not gonna rationalize it and you can call that instinct or you can call a

01:57:43.060 blood memory whatever the hell you want but the point is is i i have to you know as a as a child

01:57:49.360 of a liberal western nation i have to teach myself sucking stop thinking about things stop

01:57:56.760 questioning like we were saying earlier about the hypocrisy like hypocrisy is one of these mental

01:58:02.360 games that you get caught up and it's like oh but if i do this and i do this and then i have to do

01:58:05.920 and then they would think this which would make me think this like just shut up just shut up you

01:58:09.600 hit them with a rock you hit them with a rock and then you go home and then you have sex like it's

01:58:15.760 yeah just do it right and like there's there's an element of that it's not even really conservative

01:58:20.480 it's just arguing about it right now i don't even want to argue about it i just want to say that's

01:58:24.560 what we had for how many thousands of years let's just do it again i don't care i'm done talking

01:58:30.480 about it we're just gonna go do that and what's so interesting is these different qualities uh

01:58:36.640 seem to split across other hemisphere like there's qualities that people think are natural to the

01:58:42.480 right um but they're you know more common to the left like you know we we have an appreciation of

01:58:49.120 beauty right beauty would be more of a right hemisphere appreciation but the left is for

01:58:55.120 theory and you would think that like you said i want to rely on instinct you would think that

01:59:00.560 would be the domain of the left side which is long term but that's not really connect that's

01:59:05.920 instinct instinct is it's in a different part of your brain than you would think because you want

01:59:11.840 to say everything good about the western world is on the left side because that's you know that's

01:59:17.840 abstract that's where smart people do things but it many times we're trying to argue a return to

01:59:24.240 this sort of savage vitalism of no i want to just i want to do something because it feels good

01:59:29.680 because i feel it in my bones and i don't want to rationalize it in fact if you rationalize it that

01:59:35.040 damages it or it it pokes holes in it then i you know what it should be separate rather than saying

01:59:41.360 everything good about the western world you could say everything distinct about the west look what

01:59:45.040 separates the west from savages is that switch in hemispheres but that doesn't mean that it can go

01:59:53.760 on forever like there is a limit and maybe what we're seeing right now is actively backpedaling

01:59:59.040 because the limit was reached a little while ago and people are cluing in that is what he's saying

02:00:04.140 because he says there's been more of a definite swing to one because you need both you actually

02:00:10.500 need both it should you should be using both asymmetrically but at least a bit more balanced

02:00:16.440 but if you swing way too far to the right or the left that's really a problem so i think

02:00:21.640 What he's arguing for is we need a bit more of the immediate, a bit more of that, relying less on the rational scientists.

02:00:31.620 And that's really what he's saying.

02:00:32.280 That's the political application of what he's saying.

02:00:34.340 And I agree with that, but it's not like either or.

02:00:37.480 I think some people can hear what we're saying and misinterpret it that way.

02:00:41.100 He goes on here.

02:00:41.860 He says, my thesis is that the separation of the hemispheres brought with it both advantages and disadvantages.

02:00:47.480 It made possible a standing outside of the natural frame of reference, the common sense everyday way in which we see the world.

02:00:55.020 In doing so, it enabled us to build that necessary distance from the world and from ourselves.

02:01:00.000 Achieved originally by the frontal lobes, it gave us insight into things that otherwise we could not have seen,

02:01:05.580 even making it possible for us to form deeper empathic connections with one another and with the world at large.

02:01:11.640 The best example of this is the fascinating rise in drama in the Greek world in which the thoughts and feelings of ourselves and of others are apparently objectified and yet return to us as our own.

02:01:23.260 A special sort of seeing arises in which both distance and empathy are crucial.

02:01:29.140 And, you know, empathy is a dirty word in our space.

02:01:32.420 It's seen as feminine.

02:01:33.740 It's seen as longhouse, however you want to describe it.

02:01:37.320 But, you know, without empathy, it's very difficult to have any sort of lateral connectivity, even with your own kinfolk, right?

02:01:45.880 So if you can put yourself in someone else's shoes, everyone sees that as a weakness.

02:01:51.540 I'm like, no, that's how you build camaraderie.

02:01:53.700 That's how you build brotherhood.

02:01:55.280 That's how you have things like the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb, things like that.

02:02:01.220 I know we've got to get going soon,

02:02:05.780 so I'm just going to wrap it up

02:02:06.500 with a couple other quotes here.

02:02:08.140 He goes on.

02:02:10.600 He goes all throughout time.

02:02:12.220 He starts in the ancient world

02:02:13.120 and he goes through Greece.

02:02:14.180 He goes through Rome.

02:02:15.620 He talks about the Renaissance.

02:02:17.620 He talks about the Industrial Revolution.

02:02:19.300 Like here says,

02:02:20.180 how it came about that the Enlightenment

02:02:21.620 gave place to Romanticism

02:02:23.240 is to something of an enigma

02:02:24.780 in the history of ideas

02:02:26.120 as Berlin goes on to demonstrate.

02:02:28.420 The answer, it seems to me,

02:02:29.520 is that romanticism is more inclusive the best of enlightenment values were not negated

02:02:34.560 by romanticism and persist not only into the coming era but in fact to this day along with

02:02:39.920 some of the enlightenment's more damningly simplistic notions since the foundation of

02:02:44.240 enlightenment thinking is all that is that all truths cohere are mutually compatible and

02:02:50.400 non-contradictory ultimately reconcilable its weak place is where incompatibilities are found

02:02:56.640 and indeed in general we are and always have been liberated into another way of looking at the world

02:03:02.080 whenever irreconcilables are brought into focus one such point of weakness occurred with the

02:03:07.600 dawning awareness as a generalization differences are as important as generalities and he gets in

02:03:13.520 the process of reformation and all that stuff so i'm gonna just put that to the side read the book

02:03:19.680 it's quite long but i'm just trying to get us through this because we've established the main

02:03:24.400 ideas here but i'm just adding a bit of contextualization here um he asks here and

02:03:30.960 this is really what i wanted to get to why do we in the west think that ultimate value lies

02:03:36.400 only in the immutable in what is eternally the same the idea emerges with parmenides and plato

02:03:44.160 gave wider currency this view of the world derived from the left hemisphere where all is static known

02:03:50.160 and unchanging but once again at the renaissance and in romantism one does see intuitions the way

02:03:56.800 in the west that life and everything of value lies not in a static state of being

02:04:01.200 as understood by the last left hemisphere but in becoming as understood by the right hemisphere if

02:04:06.480 it were true as white surmise the cerebral organization in oriental peoples is different

02:04:12.480 from that in westerners we have the same polarization of the hemispheres it might

02:04:16.560 suggest another way in which we could consciously set about influencing the hemispheric balance in

02:04:22.000 general east asians have a more holistic approach for example if asked to group objects east asians

02:04:28.000 make comparatively little use of categories east asians use a more dialectical mode of reasoning

02:04:33.760 they're more willing to accept to entertain or even seek out contradictory perspectives on the

02:04:38.480 same issue they see a world in which they live as complex containing inherently conflicting elements

02:04:44.160 which is interesting i don't know if i agree with all of it but i know we've talked about this

02:04:50.640 before even with like east asian architecture about how it's it's more interwoven with the

02:04:59.080 world around it it's more trying to be at one with nature even their philosophy is like this too

02:05:04.620 and there's something in western philosophy western mythology that i think goes even deeper

02:05:10.560 it goes maybe even deeper than this left right hemisphere thing where it's the you know the

02:05:15.660 fausty man standing apart from nature trying to thrust into the unknown you know not just at one

02:05:22.660 with the world around it horizontally i think that's the the big difference and i you know

02:05:28.600 part of me somewhat recoils when he starts talking about the shift in the left and the right like

02:05:36.480 romanticism was a momentary shift to the left whereas we were the momentary shift to the right

02:05:42.340 they were dominating the left like to me it's swinging too much right like i don't know like

02:05:48.460 it can't just keep going back and forth like for for 200 years and we were over here and then swung

02:05:53.160 right back something about that just doesn't work for me i like most of it but i think you can take

02:06:01.560 this model integrate it into other similar models and he mentions many other uh mental models uh

02:06:08.820 here in in this book as well but i don't know there's just something about it's left and right

02:06:13.820 the left and right the left right like well what what causes that you know we we don't know maybe

02:06:18.200 we can never know but i don't know to me any sort of shift like that would have to take place across

02:06:25.300 many many many centuries and they wouldn't just reverse i don't if you want to state that you

02:06:32.280 need to tell me what the trigger was for that anyway we get the main meaning of the book it's

02:06:39.100 about how he seems to think we cannot swing back the other way in any significant measure i'm not

02:06:46.700 sure i think we're seeing that right now i think that's one of the biggest things that we're

02:06:53.140 grappling with in this thing of ours in these sectors is trying to reintroduce the immediacy

02:07:00.740 trying to not just become beholden to our mental models and take in new information create new

02:07:07.080 syntheses of information to better describe the world because across the board we're finding many

02:07:13.500 older mental models cannot accurately describe the world we're in right now and so some people

02:07:20.060 become locked in that locked in that tradition and that's fine you can comfortably die in that but

02:07:26.780 i think there's more people now engaging in accessing that other hemisphere

02:07:33.580 i think that will aid in our survival

02:07:39.820 anyway that that's the end of the book i know we gotta get going now so thank you you can still

02:07:44.620 hear me right all right so that's good what did you think of that you liked it i know you made

02:07:49.340 made some remarks maybe it's gonna be one of those books i'm gonna keep mentioning now and again

02:07:55.280 christ i still mention the accursed chair and i shouldn't i shouldn't every i got into having

02:08:02.320 i'm like i'm still kind of mentioning foucault i'm like i gotta stop mentioning foucault i hate that

02:08:06.200 guy i hate george batai i hate this fucking occult witchy man you know what i mean like i

02:08:15.000 i don't believe you can really separate the author from his work some people think you can the older

02:08:21.400 i get the less i do it because so much of their work once you know more about them seems to be a

02:08:27.340 projection of their circumstances and that's what makes them so insightful on it but i don't know

02:08:33.120 if you're going to tell me that this individual is like a gay occultist doing like sacrificing

02:08:39.480 animals and smoking opium and shit i'm like you probably didn't come up with a lot of good ideas

02:08:46.460 i don't know anyway i'll let you i'll let you go now i'll see you next time

02:08:51.200 I am here with a man that I believe I can call a friend.

02:09:12.420 This is Wilhelm Apologist, a very, very successful and popular YouTube creator and influencer.

02:09:20.560 i'm just going to pull his stuff up right here you're looking at his youtube for those who can

02:09:25.360 see this is wilhelm apologist that's at wilhelm apologist i would say that i've been a fan of

02:09:32.960 your videos for quite some time now and i would say it's at the level of an inspiration i love

02:09:39.360 the style you edit the videos yourself you write them and you narrate them and they're just so fun

02:09:47.200 I would say you have, you've captured a true Gen Z aesthetic because you are Gen Z, correct?

02:09:55.660 Yeah, I love having fun.

02:09:57.600 Yeah, you know, and like, I find it genuinely interesting.

02:10:02.380 At this point in my life, I find very few things interesting.

02:10:06.140 So I'd like to think that's high praise coming from me.

02:10:09.940 So first off, I would encourage everyone to go check out his stuff.

02:10:14.220 Canadian Man creates a lot of very inspiring Canadian content.

02:10:19.100 And so just off the bat, I'd say thank you so much for joining me today.

02:10:24.140 That's a lot of praise for a white guy who does video essays on YouTube.

02:10:30.960 But thank you.

02:10:32.940 And another thing is that Wilhelm, he appeared at a couple of the events that we held.

02:10:39.180 And we had one event in Toronto last December, which he spoke at.

02:10:43.600 And he also delivered a speech at our most recent event a few weeks ago.

02:10:48.840 I would say your speeches were highlights of the evening, highly engaging.

02:10:54.080 The crowd loves them.

02:10:55.800 And he delivered them very well.

02:10:58.100 And are those available anywhere?

02:11:00.320 Do you have a substack or anything like that?

02:11:02.620 My first speech was on substack.

02:11:05.920 I don't know.

02:11:08.060 You can put the link in the description afterwards.

02:11:10.620 But it's Salazar Fan 2007.

02:11:12.640 So my first speech is there I'm turning my second speech into a video and that will be up sometime in September, probably before September 11th sometime not on maybe on September 11th.

02:11:30.380 We'll see a special regard for that day.

02:11:34.660 See, I love these titles here just to give people a taste.

02:11:36.780 You know, are you a shield Canadian or a leaf Canadian?

02:11:39.800 And I've heard some guys in our space using that terminology exactly something about the 1960 Quebec general election.

02:11:48.120 I love stuff like this.

02:11:49.640 He tends to take history and make it pretty engaging, very, very kinetic editing, which we don't have a lot of in the space, especially when it comes to Canadian history and Canadian matters.

02:12:00.520 Things can be kind of stuffy.

02:12:02.600 So I appreciate the work he puts in and the speeches that he delivered at the events.

02:12:08.420 i was engaged with them as well and uh he's i would say that you've got a pretty strong cult

02:12:15.840 following a lot of the attendees of the events came just for him many people flew in i believe

02:12:22.680 just to see willham apologist and i remember the first event i wasn't too familiar with with your

02:12:28.960 work but then just seeing that it's very rare to find a dedicated fan base like that so anyway i'm

02:12:37.640 not trying to gush here but it's it's you know i got a fan base that likes to torture me and i got

02:12:43.940 a fan base that likes to you know spread nasty rumors about me so it was um kind of disheartening

02:12:50.540 to see a fan base that genuinely supports its creators like that yeah i mean again you're

02:12:59.780 giving a lot of praise uh i don't i'm just a guy who makes videos on youtube uh it's not

02:13:06.940 to me it's not that impressive but i don't know other people see it as more impressive

02:13:12.400 i was wondering if you'd like to speak a bit on the last speech you gave i know it's going to be

02:13:18.500 a video soon and it was quite a long speech there's a lot that was covered in it but maybe

02:13:23.760 that's a good place to start um what inspired you to write that speech give us a quick summary of

02:13:30.140 what you were talking about um i hate this government uh i i strongly strongly dislike

02:13:39.100 um what is happening like i guess you know everybody could say that but when you put it

02:13:47.820 in specific details and i go over um censorship on social media and the banking cartel where

02:13:57.420 Where, you know, for a lot of people who don't know this, it's shocking to hear that like four monopolies or like the monopolies of MasterCard, Visa, MX and Discover can just take away your ability to earn money and you have no recourse.

02:14:19.220 um it's worse in Canada than it is the U.S. if uh because I remember I even read your speech

02:14:26.660 before I delivered it and I think it it's way way worse in Canada because people hear about

02:14:31.000 debanking in the U.S. all the time but there's really only a handful of banks up here and they

02:14:35.720 all work in concert uh yeah but uh like most of the debank most of that debanking happens to

02:14:44.300 Americans. So that is, at least that is where it happens the most. And that is where I draw most

02:14:52.520 of my information in the speech. Of course, it's a thing in Canada. And I also cover in the speech

02:15:00.380 how the court system is biased and unjust. And I go over a couple cases, like that lady in

02:15:12.360 edmonton or calgary in 2015 who got assaulted by a siberian american and the siberian american

02:15:22.040 got let off the hook uh and um

02:15:31.800 it's uh i'm just learning about this now but there's like a clause in

02:15:39.080 And I believe it is the Canadian Charter where it specifically allows the government to

02:15:48.920 discriminate against white people.

02:15:54.760 Yeah, I believe it.

02:15:55.880 There's quite a few laws in the books.

02:15:57.280 I remember many episodes ago, we even covered this on the show.

02:16:00.980 we did a deep dive into the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

02:16:06.780 and what's called the Canadian Constitution.

02:16:10.340 And it's a very dense, it's night and day comparing it

02:16:15.920 between the American Bill of Rights and their Constitution.

02:16:20.420 So it's full of legalese.

02:16:23.160 And I believe I can recall what it is you're referring to

02:16:27.240 because it's full of these weaselly terms where, you know, it gives you a right,

02:16:33.720 but then it amends it with within reason.

02:16:36.900 Now, you have this right, just like with weapons,

02:16:39.500 like everyone has the right to own a gun within reason.

02:16:42.660 And because so much power is surrendered to the judges in this country,

02:16:48.920 it really is just up to any judge at any given moment how they want to operate

02:16:54.040 and quote, the spirit of Canadian law.

02:16:57.540 That's completely subjective.

02:17:00.940 And, you know, that's just the court systems

02:17:05.340 and the banks and the censorship.

02:17:07.860 But there's a lot of other things that are going on,

02:17:11.680 like how border policy isn't enforced.

02:17:17.660 You know, America has had this problem for a long time.

02:17:20.400 And now, you know, Trump is sort of cranking down

02:17:22.580 on the border.

02:17:24.040 But if Canada bordered Mexico, we'd have the same border policy as the U.S.

02:17:29.600 Because, you know, a couple of years ago, like Roxanne Road, where Haitian immigrants were going across the border unimpeded.

02:17:39.380 That was basically the same as the American border.

02:17:41.660 We just have less of it because, you know, we don't border third world countries.

02:17:46.460 but it comes down to basic stuff like enforcing the border or like making sure housing is available

02:17:55.840 where this liberal regime fails um and it the the failure is so basic that again if you tell this

02:18:10.940 to normal people or people who do not follow politics, it's almost unbelievable. Like how

02:18:19.200 could you lose your money, lose everything you've earned, lose the ability to make money

02:18:26.420 just by pissing off a couple monopolies? Or like how is it possible that migrants are coming over

02:18:33.800 the border unimpeded and then they get free housing and hotels and they get free food?

02:18:40.940 That is sort of the basis of the speech.

02:18:45.020 Like, we see it as normal because it's been happening for so long.

02:18:50.440 You know, it's the same thing, you know, people say this a lot, boiling the frog.

02:18:54.760 We've been in this scenario or we've had this for like 80 years since the end of World War II.

02:19:04.760 And any country before World War II would have enforced the border or would have a court system that doesn't have a bias against its own native citizens.

02:19:21.620 And it also, it goes into economics as well, where, you know, Devin Stack, Blackpilt, he did a good stream a couple months ago detailing what is called the Patel Motel Cartel.

02:19:38.780 Oh, yeah, yeah. We covered this on the show, too. That's one of those things where I guess most people just don't know about it. But if you explain to people, even the ones who don't want to appear racist get freaked out about it.

02:19:51.940 Yeah, you go to every motel or even any gas station, and it's run by certain people from the subcontinent. And that isn't normal. That was facilitated by the government by giving out generous loans that us citizens, us people who are born in Canada or America,

02:20:21.940 would only dream of, like, can I get these loans?

02:20:26.420 No, I can't because I'm not an immigrant.

02:20:29.460 I don't have this privilege.

02:20:32.640 Yeah, and also white people in Canada

02:20:35.780 are not allowed to collectivize.

02:20:38.760 And I think that's what you were referring to

02:20:40.320 with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

02:20:42.760 because the way the hotel cartel works,

02:20:45.860 it's actually very interesting, is a lot of it,

02:20:48.580 What you notice with a lot of these ethnicities, China's like this too, is you'll find that these dynastic families and also organized crime work hand in glove with the government.

02:21:00.540 So what happens is a lot of these Indian banks give loans to these Indians to come over.

02:21:06.440 And how is that? How can you do that? Why is that allowed?

02:21:09.140 Well, because the American government isn't dealing with Indians arguing for their rights.

02:21:13.960 They're dealing with a foreign bank.

02:21:15.640 They're dealing with owners of immense capital.

02:21:19.960 So because they have this financial ethnic representation, they can actually make an argument to the government more than you or I could because we're not allowed to have our own bank.

02:21:30.020 We're not allowed to collectivize like that.

02:21:31.940 And then once they get the loans and the bank, which is also working hand in glove with the government, gets them a foothold there, then they start their own banks here.

02:21:41.760 then they have an entire ethnic enclave set up and they just spread out from that's literally

02:21:46.320 how it happened that's how it happened on the west coast with a lot of the chinese

02:21:50.480 immigrants too and it's it's a templated option that keeps occurring i make this point in my

02:21:58.080 speech that um north korea is better because they at least care about their nation uh kim jong-un

02:22:08.000 cares about the korean nation this would not be allowed in any serious country um

02:22:18.560 and you know that's when talking about the the the hotel cartel that is only one aspect

02:22:29.280 of how we're being screwed economically.

02:22:33.180 It can go on and on with every single point in the economy.

02:22:38.700 Like we can talk about how the trucking industry

02:22:42.900 is being taken over by the subcontinent

02:22:47.240 or how in the ports in Vancouver,

02:22:52.960 like on the West Coast,

02:22:54.560 they have strong connections to China.

02:22:57.560 And that is how a lot of fentanyl gets through.

02:23:02.040 So not just not just a lot of fentanyl, most fentanyl, upwards of 90 percent of fentanyl in North America, including Mexico, comes from China.

02:23:11.740 Yeah. So it's every single aspect.

02:23:15.680 And I heard, I'm sure you've heard this too, or you've seen this, it's not a study, but like a report that says that young men who didn't go to college have the same rate of unemployment as young men who did.

02:23:34.500 so going to college doesn't affect your employability and you know what what's what's

02:23:44.740 frustrating is that people say well live should say that people don't uh people don't want to work

02:23:51.740 canadians don't want to work so we need so we need immigrants and that is just not it it's not

02:24:01.220 a cohesive reality yeah yeah it's because it's fucking made up yeah the government gives

02:24:09.820 subsidies to foreign to temporary foreign workers so it's just it just makes more

02:24:15.100 economic sense for corporations to hire foreigners uh so when it comes to unemployment

02:24:21.740 among um canadian citizens that is a product of our own government yes people want to work

02:24:31.120 Canadians want to work.

02:24:33.360 But why should corporations hire them when it is not in their own interest?

02:24:42.200 Exactly.

02:24:43.220 And what's frustrating is that someone in our community posted this the other day.

02:24:48.880 It was a screen capture of the news, like CNN or Fox or something.

02:24:54.840 It was showing a poll they did.

02:24:57.220 it was purporting to be a poll of a gen z and it was just showing these numbers that made

02:25:03.620 no sense there's no bearing on reality it was something like 74 percent of gen z claimed they

02:25:12.100 had their parents accompany them to a job interview 60 said they had their parents help with

02:25:19.080 their work it's just it's like no that's not fucking real so the frustration so many people

02:25:25.680 feel and I think it's frustration getting into the realm of nihilism it's you know my generation

02:25:31.440 the millennials we already distrusted the media we know we know the media lies but the lies have

02:25:38.140 become so egregious that we're getting hostile towards it like you're telling me that I don't

02:25:45.580 want to work like I'm gonna find you and choke the life out of you you see what I'm saying like

02:25:50.980 how your entire life you have the media saying you're stupid you don't even want to work what's

02:25:55.540 wrong with you we need we need more illiterate indians it's like okay so like my you're making

02:26:01.540 up numbers you're making up stories and there's going to be a certain point where people fucking

02:26:07.180 snap because it's like you had said it's completely incoherent you're not even trying

02:26:12.820 to make a sensible lie anymore you know that i am a young man and i'm glad you mentioned nihilism

02:26:20.140 Because, again, this is another point I'm making in the speech. When you go over every single point, every institution, every apparatus in this society, all of it is being used to beat us to death.

02:26:38.260 uh and to put it very simply this system does not work for me it does not work for

02:26:47.880 anyone like me uh i have no there's no investment i yeah i am a nihilist i believe that

02:26:58.000 this system has to be replaced in totality like when it when it comes to um the cartels

02:27:04.740 like the growing influence of the cartels and like the forming these new gangs in the United

02:27:12.460 Kingdom. Nobody wants this. Nobody wants the UK to accept these small boats filled with supposedly

02:27:25.700 asylum seekers who then enter the country and live in hotels without any rent, basically for free.

02:27:34.740 And not a single member of Parliament, and the UK has something like 657 members of Parliament,

02:27:42.980 not a single member and not a single party will lift a finger to do anything about this.

02:27:54.140 I read a funny tweet by our mutual friend, John Carter, and something I really believe in.

02:28:01.000 He had said, England is our Palestine.

02:28:03.140 and i think you and i we both look towards england and you know we're canadians so we have

02:28:08.880 a certain genealogical heritage there of course but i look at england and i'm like i think it is

02:28:14.980 worse than canada just the excesses of the state and what they're trying to get away with they're

02:28:20.360 sending police around to arrest people who were merely complaining about their children being

02:28:27.080 raped online you're not allowed to do that they'll give you a final send you to fucking jail for that

02:28:32.840 and that is where the nihilism comes in because you know i was i think i was saying something the

02:28:38.500 other day it was about the conservative argument for immigration or one of the defenses is that

02:28:46.460 these people pay taxes and there was a time where that worked on people hasn't for a couple generations

02:28:52.600 but there was a time it did and they still say that now i saw fucking protests like indians

02:28:57.820 protesting saying we're good enough to work here we're good enough to pay taxes we should stay

02:29:01.080 But taxes don't mean anything. First of all, to my generation, certainly not Gen Z, because what are taxes? I'm not going to get into modern monetary theory or anything here, but the idea of taxes is you're paying into the system. That doesn't work on young people because what's in it for me? We already accept that this system is actively working against us.

02:29:21.680 Maybe I don't want people paying taxes in the system, so you're trying to sell me that this new group is helping prop up the system that is already leaving me behind.

02:29:32.540 How is that a selling point, you fucking morons?

02:29:37.020 What I'm saying is even beyond that, this is what elected representation looks like.

02:29:45.240 This is what democracy looks like.

02:29:47.320 we cannot or we are ruled by specific interest groups like in Belgium because of how Belgium

02:30:01.620 works there is often not an active ruling party like there is no government but you know Belgium

02:30:10.700 elects a right-wing party they they can elect a left-wing party and no matter if there is a

02:30:15.980 left-wing party, or if there's no government, or if there's a right-wing party, they will always

02:30:21.320 get immigration. And so what I'm trying to say about, like, no member of parliament will lift

02:30:26.860 a finger to do anything about this, it's like voting doesn't work. And I've made this point

02:30:35.100 a lot in my videos. So this is why I'm trying to put an emphasis on this. You know, in the past,

02:30:42.280 I used to support or be a shill for the PPC. But over the course of 2025, I've just become

02:30:56.480 completely disenchanted with any notion that voting can change things. Because every government

02:31:04.480 in the West has hundreds of members of their National Assembly. And again, no party and no

02:31:13.640 member can or will do anything about this. If I could give one piece of evidence to your larger

02:31:23.400 argument here, we probably won't get to talk on this in the show, but I'm sure you've heard of

02:31:27.460 this. I'm throwing it up on the screen now. We're looking at the BBC. Some people have heard about

02:31:32.200 is Germany's far right AFD party suffers series of candidate deaths ahead of local vote. Just to

02:31:39.500 read a little bit here, as many as six candidates for Germany's far right party have died in recent

02:31:43.520 weeks ahead of local elections in the big western state of North Rhine-Westphalia. Police have made

02:31:48.820 it clear there's no evidence of foul play, but it means that new ballots have to be printed.

02:31:53.000 So really just what I wanted to, you know, everyone is a Twitter with the implications of

02:31:58.520 It's like, what are the odds that six candidates from this one party would mysteriously die?

02:32:05.080 Everyone is assuming it's assassinations.

02:32:07.240 Of course, foul play is most likely involved.

02:32:10.440 If it was a suicide, you would call it a fucking suicide, wouldn't you?

02:32:13.760 You'd love to report that, but it wasn't.

02:32:16.020 So a lot of people are using this as one piece of evidence to what you were saying.

02:32:20.580 Like, they did everything right.

02:32:22.800 They made a political party and they're very popular.

02:32:25.240 popular they did every legal difficult thing you could do and then they just decided to start

02:32:31.960 killing them once it gets once you get too popular it's like the end of network if anyone's seen that

02:32:36.680 movie that's a bit of an older movie but yeah at the end if if you're that inconvenient they'll

02:32:40.600 just shoot you in the head so you know there's there's really no way to operate within that

02:32:46.680 system if you represent a threat in any way to the interests of that system honestly i'm going

02:32:54.360 to go uh a bit against the grain okay i don't believe there's any foul play involved because

02:33:00.920 uh if there if there was then why would they allow new candidates to go on the ballot um

02:33:10.280 honestly this might just be a case of uh of odd coincidences um

02:33:16.600 to two meant too many banana peels sitting on the ground over there in germany eh could be

02:33:22.920 but what's more concerning about the afd is that um the social democratic party

02:33:31.200 i believe has openly floated the floated the idea of banning of banning it um and they might get

02:33:40.040 the support of the cdu uh i'm not big into um german politics but as far as i know the afd

02:33:48.000 might be banned uh in the next decade and this is just what they do every time one of these parties

02:33:54.420 you know i i think we've seen this in france as well it's like once you start getting popular

02:33:59.080 they'll say well we're just not going to let you we're not going to let you be the leader because

02:34:04.740 we can just do that we can decide to take our ball and go home then what are you going to do

02:34:08.880 something crazy you have to right that's if every legitimate course of action is robbed from you

02:34:15.500 what is left? Well, what's even more crazy in France is that Marine Le Pen, who leads

02:34:23.940 national rally, I believe the last election in France was in 2024, but she actively did

02:34:34.920 rallies with African immigrants in France. And there are pictures of Marine Le Pen dressed in

02:34:43.080 african uniform dancing with um african migrants in the streets of paris or or marseille and even

02:34:52.240 then like the macron centrist party or liberal party and the uh socialist led by melanchon

02:35:00.800 they conspire together to allow to to um uh get her not to win so it's just you know in a lot of

02:35:14.820 European countries um the what what leftists believe is beyond the pale um but in in the

02:35:23.380 anglosphere, like in the UK, the leftists are less insane. So I guess you could say it's a bit worse

02:35:31.840 in Europe, but I don't know. Now, I have a question. This is going to be a very broad

02:35:37.960 question, but I don't want to get you into trouble here. But if we accept everything we've just been

02:35:43.820 talking about, the system is broken. You cannot operate within it while threatening it. They will

02:35:49.920 find ways to take the wind out of your sails what is to be done what ought to be done

02:35:55.180 do you know aaron bushnell uh yes yes what was that he was the guy who burned himself alive for

02:36:05.300 palestine yeah yeah that's what that's where i remember that yeah uh i only remember his name

02:36:10.100 because everybody said that uh that we would forget it in two weeks and most people did but i

02:36:15.580 didn't uh i i'm specifically a contrarian but you know a lot of people uh on the right

02:36:26.040 go into violent fantasies uh and these violent fantasies are are like um they're they're not

02:36:38.560 productive it's the same thing as burning yourself alive for palestine like uh that doesn't do

02:36:45.080 anything and erin bushnell is forgotten because what he did is fucking stupid and and um and did

02:36:51.780 nothing for the palestinian cause you know he was in the army you know if he did thousands of hours

02:36:57.780 of work work that would get him no attention then maybe he could make a change you know especially

02:37:05.980 because of his position in the army and what we should do uh is is this work is is is work that

02:37:16.460 isn't glamorous that it that doesn't get attention but that builds a national community that uh

02:37:27.260 you know isn't isn't violent because why why should we you know we can't fight against the

02:37:35.420 the government because they have you know f-35s and uh and leopard tanks but um can you hear

02:37:41.720 people you're talking in the background no no you're fine okay so obviously violence is not on

02:37:49.080 the table but um you know it's it's the same thing as the dominion society because you did

02:37:55.940 you did the interview or you did an interview of daniel tyree uh like a couple weeks ago that's

02:38:01.920 right um we can do pressure groups and uh and do events like um i'm sure we'll talk about this

02:38:11.600 later in this uh later in the uh in the interview but i'm doing something with um i'm facilitating

02:38:19.360 iro meetups you know and it is this constant work that will take um maybe thousands of hours that

02:38:28.960 that is the way forward because what else can you do burn yourself alive why can you

02:38:36.560 um form a militia like obviously not so one thing i like to remind people just on that note

02:38:46.240 is that a lot of people get inspired by these very sensationalist acts like erin bush now

02:38:53.360 reminds them of something they saw from the mid or early 20th century they think of you know

02:38:58.880 tibetan monk lighting himself on fire or some grand gesture or sacrifice but sort of like mishima

02:39:07.600 like does that have any real impact or is that just something that you are into or is that very

02:39:13.360 self-serving and one thing i remind people of is that we get entranced by these tales of revolution

02:39:21.920 throughout the world especially in the middle east and you see these masses of people rising up

02:39:26.960 and i would say that it's actually easier to do something like that in other parts of the world

02:39:32.640 because to put it simply most of those people are very stupid it's actually pretty easy to rile

02:39:38.800 stupid people up to coordinate them to go into one direction and you know have them working in

02:39:45.360 concert to threaten them you know that sort of collectivist politics is much easier over there

02:39:51.440 or to trigger a riot i find that in the west in europe and in canada especially you're dealing

02:39:58.080 the type of person you're dealing with isn't easy to whip up into a murderous frenzy for better or

02:40:05.280 worse some people wish that they could but i think it's that not only is that their european

02:40:10.480 character in canada it's the anglo and franco stock but it's also intelligence it's also sort

02:40:18.000 of the liberal mindset and people don't want to sacrifice themselves if they have a family there's

02:40:22.720 all kinds of things like that but i'm like you don't don't contrast everything you're doing and

02:40:28.240 weighted against these other populist revolutions you see around the globe that seems so you know

02:40:33.920 vibrant and victorious because it is just a bunch of retards frothing at the mouth and we can't do

02:40:38.800 that here you need to be more tactical you need to be more strategic and far more careful about

02:40:46.240 how you're coordinating people it's harder to do it but the stock that you're dealing with will be

02:40:52.160 of higher quality it just it takes longer than you're probably hoping well yeah it's well it

02:41:00.320 didn't start out that way uh if you look at uh european countries before world war ii there's

02:41:07.840 is a very strong uh uh sense of self-conception um and that has been beaten out of us through

02:41:16.960 uh basically the cia basically cia meddling uh in in our culture you know one thing i said i saw this

02:41:26.180 video and it was a bunch of british men maybe a thousand of them standing in the road chanting

02:41:34.160 in unison send them back and everyone assumed it was because of a migrant protest but it turns out

02:41:41.540 it was a bunch of football hooligans and it was about the other team like send the other team back

02:41:47.560 but it makes you think like when it comes to football they can do all this stuff they can

02:41:52.840 wear this these are regular people people with jobs and families but they put on the uniform

02:41:58.260 they put on their colors and they can take up space in the streets and be intimidating and make

02:42:05.060 threats and just organically come up with a chant and look at what they can do when it comes to that

02:42:10.620 sport but i'm like imagine what you could do if you could gather that energy and direct it

02:42:16.280 in the direction of i don't know all the rape gangs you know what i mean yeah

02:42:23.040 which is to say there's something still there there has to be something there like in canada

02:42:28.960 we saw the trucker protest or what you're seeing now in australia with those anti-migrant protests

02:42:36.220 and they are anti-migrant protests it's got a pretty wide spectrum of people that have been

02:42:41.500 attending those uh events in australia and uh i mean you're seeing all kinds of non-whites there

02:42:47.480 you're seeing libertarians you're seeing conservatives you're seeing some liberals even

02:42:51.100 it's not explicitly you know what they're saying like a white nationalist event although they are

02:42:56.620 involved but there's something there that coordinated hundreds of thousands of people

02:43:01.600 just like the trucker protest something was true what was able to coalesce all these diverging

02:43:07.980 groups into one direction and it wasn't an op it wasn't a billionaire doing it's just the people

02:43:14.640 kind of did it themselves so i look at that i'm like there's still something there that we can

02:43:20.080 tap into uh people may have forgotten this but there were also a widespread anti-immigration

02:43:27.600 process in canada uh last year uh and those went nowhere so uh when it comes to rolling up a crowd

02:43:37.920 um i don't think that's useful uh and i say this specifically because i'm an elite theorist

02:43:46.880 um it has to be an organized minority an organized minority you have to build that first

02:43:53.800 before you can marshal an army

02:43:57.020 that's a good point so in canada that'll be let's just you know workshop some ideas here

02:44:07.040 would this be an elite within the people to interface with the other elites in canada and

02:44:15.180 this is something my friend black horse and others talk about we have the laurentian elite

02:44:20.220 in ontario you've got the western elite um you've got the quebec elite so these would be

02:44:26.540 their own cartels these own dynastic families who control so much capital and have their their hooks

02:44:33.340 and all the media and everything so would this be an elite to you know interface with that elite or

02:44:39.820 our own elite to replace those elites um i've made a video about this before

02:44:48.540 uh you know agriculture and uh heavy industry are more right-wing because

02:44:57.820 because they're attached to um the country you can't move farmland and you can't um

02:45:06.380 you know industry is harder to move um and so uh you know in right-wing countries like um

02:45:14.860 like franco spain and like quebec under maurice tuplessis um they

02:45:23.100 they encouraged agriculture and heavy industry because that was the uh economic base of uh

02:45:30.700 of their, of their elites. In Canada, agriculture is, as far as I know, not, not, not a powerful

02:45:44.860 force, or at least it doesn't, it doesn't have the same interest, or it does not generate the

02:45:55.140 same elite interest as agriculture did in the past, because in the past, agriculture was more

02:46:01.260 important because that was a larger part of the economy. And in Canada, we also don't have a lot

02:46:05.860 of heavy industry like Iran or China or Russia. So when it comes to elites or creating an elite

02:46:15.040 that can compete and interface on the same level as the existing elites

02:46:23.260 like in Quebec or the Laurentian elites.

02:46:27.380 I don't think that's possible because the base for that doesn't exist anymore.

02:46:35.660 so as far as i'm concerned the only way to do it would be like uh would be similar to the bolsheviks

02:46:47.820 uh or um or even uh i'm blanking on the i'm blanking on the on the names but

02:46:57.740 you you know you don't want to get against yeah those would be i would someone militaristic or

02:47:05.680 sort of like malicious in a sense as well would we be you know it's maybe revolutionary in nature

02:47:12.240 but in that sense it would be to either overtake the elites entirely or represent a threat to them

02:47:20.660 so that they acquiesce and i remember this is what was it george sorrell in reflections on violence

02:47:29.380 that's what he was talking about where he said because he's a syndicalist and he was complaining

02:47:35.460 about the communists and a lot of the other syndicalists because he said you know if you're

02:47:40.580 against this system and you want to deconstruct the system you must want to deconstruct it in

02:47:46.100 totality and there is negotiate no negotiation and he was complaining that so many syndicalists

02:47:52.660 rile people up and create such uh fervor that they're eventually invited to the negotiation

02:47:58.980 table with the powers that be and then they negotiate whatever it takes to get them to stop

02:48:04.740 so then they become reformers and so he was saying you know you never become the bolsheviks you just

02:48:11.060 you get to a certain point and then you effectively sell out or the leadership sells out

02:48:15.860 which completely defangs the movement um and i think i've even heard the same complaints from uh

02:48:22.420 guillem de fe about because uh george surrell was talking about something from the left-wing

02:48:27.220 perspective and guillem was talking about it from the right-wing perspective um and saying

02:48:33.220 that it happens across the board it's everyone says they're revolutionary but no one actually is

02:48:39.140 is yeah um that's um that's a big thing with uh populist politicians who promise change

02:48:50.420 they get elected and then they become part of the system um

02:48:56.260 it's uh like a lot of people say uh on the right on the online right that we should take our own

02:49:04.100 sides like when it comes to um ukraine and russia like why support either sides uh take your own

02:49:09.940 side or when it comes to palestine and israel um but our side it does not include um zionist

02:49:21.860 billionaires or um or the tech elite like peter thiel or um or other billionaires who have no

02:49:29.700 interest in restricting immigration. And I feel like to compete on the same level as the current

02:49:41.400 ruling class, you would have to align yourself with one of these factions. And in aligning

02:49:48.300 yourself with, you know, the pre-existing billionaires, they have demands and they're

02:49:55.780 going to and you're either going to fulfill their demands or or or not and then you're going to get

02:50:04.820 cut off forever i've got a question for you we're just speaking of revolutionary movements and the

02:50:12.620 bolsheviks i'm an old chunk of coal it's over for me but speaking from the perspective of gen z

02:50:19.520 what's the temperature of gen z how likely is it that you could gather these people up into

02:50:27.440 any sort of coherent movement because you hear stories all the time like gen z is the most

02:50:32.100 deracinated nihilistic individualistic generation regardless of their personal politics i mean a is

02:50:39.500 that correct from your perspective and b are there any obstacles to getting gen z on board

02:50:46.280 with something like we were talking about

02:50:48.060 versus generations past?

02:50:52.600 I don't believe that there is a significant difference

02:51:01.320 between Gen Z and other generations

02:51:07.040 in terms of their willingness and capacity to organize.

02:51:12.040 organize. Because if you wanted to organize, then the main obstacles are like, okay, how do you deal

02:51:23.840 with the CIA? How do you deal with the lying media? And then it comes to the actual people

02:51:34.120 material and uh i don't believe that gen z is any more radical uh and okay they are they are more

02:51:44.360 deracinated like gen z doesn't know their own history uh they are ignorant of of many many

02:51:50.760 things um so but but that also makes them more of a a blank canvas like if you did manage to convert

02:52:01.240 one to um i don't know ultra monarchism uh i believe that they would uh and i've seen this

02:52:10.440 with i guess many of my own uh fans that they take up the belief uh sincerely so um i i think with

02:52:23.560 Well, my thinking on the like psychology like this is different compared to a lot of people on the right where I see psychology like the group psychology of specific generations as not being very important.

02:52:43.140 What is important is the tactics and organization that you have.

02:52:49.600 do you think there's any advantages that gen z might have for organizing because

02:52:57.180 one might consider i know this maybe this is what we're going to get into right now because

02:53:03.460 we can segue right into it about your irl meetup group uh because you did run you started launched

02:53:10.840 this irl meetup group called mge brothers um i think this was done fairly recently and

02:53:17.180 first of all would you say that most of the people in there are also gen z and second of all

02:53:23.500 is that sort of the the goal here to try and get thrust gen z out of i would say this to

02:53:30.780 millennials as well out of the online realm where they're most comfortable where they're most used

02:53:35.700 to discussing these sort of things and just getting them in rooms together is that sort of

02:53:40.340 goal there um i don't know uh the age demographics of my own um server but i guess they would be

02:53:52.660 more younger or they would be younger uh i don't know if they're all gen z or if they're uh or if

02:53:59.220 there are more millennials i i i can't i can't know um but the purpose is not getting people

02:54:09.380 uh outside i mean that's that's a benefit but the most basic form of political organization

02:54:18.740 is knowing other people and i guess almost by definition an organization implies that there

02:54:27.460 other people in the organization. You can't build something by yourself. Or like, you can't build

02:54:36.620 an organization or political party by yourself. So one of the problems we have, and this is a

02:54:47.880 pretty big problem, is that we don't know each other. Yeah, sure, we know each other online.

02:54:55.000 but any serious organization knows like has people who engage in real life

02:55:03.840 and so what i'm trying to do is build these most basic connections it is not an advocacy group

02:55:12.980 like the dominion society it is not um a group for um formation like um like second sons uh

02:55:23.160 It is very specifically getting to know new people who are on your own side.

02:55:34.060 And as far as I'm concerned, it will remain like that for as many years as necessary before I can or I'm willing to build anything more on top of it.

02:55:49.200 and also uh you know i i read uh like people can uh can uh get this from my videos that i read a

02:56:00.100 lot a lot about uh serbia before 1914 and i'm and i know a lot about uh the black hand and young

02:56:09.520 bosnia like these are groups based on personal connections we do not have like you would you

02:56:17.440 would expect that with the amount of discontent uh in western countries that you would that you

02:56:23.820 would start um getting groups like this that you would get a young bosnia in canada or or a young

02:56:31.400 or or even a black hand in in any other western country but these groups simply do not exist

02:56:38.660 and the main reason i believe why is because we just don't know each other there's no um

02:56:46.680 no organization is possible

02:56:49.180 you know I was reminded

02:56:53.580 you know reading of the black hand of

02:56:55.380 Codranu over

02:56:57.740 in Romania and

02:56:59.800 his movement and it was very much

02:57:01.820 the same thing and what he was trying

02:57:03.700 to you know you're dealing with a lot of young

02:57:05.860 men who are military trained

02:57:07.600 and I think that creates different

02:57:09.700 problems and opportunities but

02:57:11.820 it was all these young men he created the

02:57:13.800 nest system

02:57:15.240 where he said it was kind of like the active club system i suppose because there's they're like okay

02:57:21.720 we're going to start these cells and the cells need to be regionally locked like it's almost

02:57:28.480 like starting a gang but it really was like a political religious group um they're intensely

02:57:34.520 christian but also intensely fascist and it was the marriage of those two things but it's he was

02:57:40.780 saying like you know so many people in our space start saying let's build an army let's get everyone

02:57:45.400 together let's the first thing you do is make a new flag the first thing you do is try and get

02:57:51.920 a charismatic leader but that's not how most this stuff is or that's not even how the american

02:57:57.220 revolution was operated it was all these crews and groups oftentimes of neighbors or friends or

02:58:03.440 family that were in a town or a village and these were people that knew each other and could trust

02:58:09.340 each other and that was the foundation of all this other stuff and from there they could take

02:58:14.100 political action but it wasn't just like a bunch of strangers that you know come into a room and

02:58:20.280 say we're soldiers now but what does that mean it's very you know you watch too many movies and

02:58:24.980 you start thinking that but the baseline of everything was trust and relationships and also

02:58:31.100 something of a martial element in their case which these guys knew how to fight and follow orders and

02:58:36.900 fall in line already and then they also had their faith but yeah i just see so many political groups

02:58:44.020 have gone about it backwards but i think this is essential to anything you want to do even if it's

02:58:49.920 not political we talk about this show on the show all the time like you really just need to start

02:58:54.480 with people in rooms forming bonds and it sounds you know like a stock answer there's a lot of

02:59:01.780 people out there right now we're talking about you know you need fraternal organizations fraternal

02:59:06.440 organizations and you know it's it's kind of just a thing you say but really though that is what you

02:59:13.640 need to do and for many of us gen z millennials especially we need to go back to the base we need

02:59:21.980 to go back to the foundation these things might have been taken for granted by previous generations

02:59:26.960 they had stronger communities they had stronger family bonds like most of these people you know

02:59:32.460 have bad relationships with their families and they don't know their neighbors and they don't

02:59:35.920 up a job you know there's there's less of a grounding for them so you need to build that

02:59:40.700 grounding yourself which is why i said whatever it is you want to it's going to take a while to

02:59:45.240 get through that's because you're you have to rebuild all this shit that was taken from you

02:59:50.920 across multiple generations yeah um it's uh

02:59:58.980 I guess I can say something about Zoomers specifically, where you do not have these

03:00:08.560 connections. And so, I guess, returning back to an earlier point, it would be more hard to

03:00:16.600 organize something with Zoomers, specifically because, yeah, this is the most irresistible

03:00:23.640 generation um we do know the least people uh among any other generation uh and that is just something

03:00:34.440 that has to be overcome uh i don't know what are your thoughts on mixed gender meetups because i

03:00:45.080 know you know i had some dealings and still do with the basket weavers and i've spoken to other

03:00:50.840 groups and the opinion is divided on whether to have allow women to be present even at the event

03:00:59.020 that we had a few weeks ago there was a few women who were scheduled to be there and i've always

03:01:04.160 been open to it but then some people didn't want that at all they just wanted a boys weekend and

03:01:10.080 it ended up happening that the women couldn't come at all but what are your feelings on this

03:01:16.740 group being, you know, allowing women to participate? First of all, I have to say that

03:01:23.800 before I answer the question, MGE Brothers is specific to Canada. So if you want to join and

03:01:30.820 you're from America or any other country, that's not allowed. But when it comes to organizing on

03:01:42.280 this most basic level of meeting other people and you know you can't even call it organizing

03:01:48.820 because there isn't like anything else going on there besides like uh talking and maybe doing

03:01:55.420 some activities sure like women can come uh because that like this isn't um a martial organization

03:02:05.120 like when it comes to um organizing a more serious political party or organizing a political

03:02:11.460 movement that has actual real stakes at hand, then you're getting into more serious, almost

03:02:20.540 military style organization where there is a hierarchy where specific people have power.

03:02:28.140 But when it comes to this, where it's just people meeting up, I mean, why not allow women to come?

03:02:33.780 And, moreover, we have a problem with relationships in real life being formed.

03:02:42.340 There's a serious problem with the birth rate.

03:02:46.480 So, you know, I've heard that from vessel weaving, you know, some relationships are formed, some marriages are formed.

03:02:52.920 That would be good for the nation if, you know, if from these very low stakes meetups, that's, you know, some relationships are formed and hopefully, you know, we have more children for the Aryan race.

03:03:13.840 I know we got to wrap it up fairly soon, but I had a couple other questions I wanted to ask you.

03:03:20.740 um hold on i'm going to i want to tell someone to be quiet so i'll be back in a second

03:03:27.280 okay i'm back hey how's it going um just to circle back to something you mentioned before

03:03:42.520 we were talking about the failures of democracy and this is going to be another big question

03:03:47.260 what would your ideal form of government be uh i've talked about this before uh sort of uh

03:03:56.120 jokingly but i do consider myself to be a czarist okay um and to me czarism can be taken out of its

03:04:07.520 context of imperial of imperial russia and applied to uh other contexts like um it doesn't necessarily

03:04:16.180 need to be orthodox it doesn't necessarily uh needs to um be in favor of the russian nation

03:04:24.340 uh to me czarism has three aspects which is um perennialism or you know christianity uh

03:04:34.580 nationalism and um autocracy and in the most basic sense i'm in favor of an autocracy uh i do believe

03:04:45.220 that government should have no democratic mechanism because any form of democratic mechanism

03:04:55.220 poisons the function of government because it presumes that everybody who is taking part in

03:05:03.220 voting is equal when in reality as joseph demetra explains we are all we are all on a chain of being

03:05:12.900 a parent i mean a child is subordinate to their parents who is supported it to

03:05:17.860 uh the autocrat who is subordinate to god um and you know i call myself a czarist but it could also

03:05:26.900 be uh as i've said in other uh videos uh ultra monarchism or super reactionary ultra monarchism

03:05:36.420 if Tsarism is too Russian for anybody's taste.

03:05:44.740 So I don't think that's a broad question at all.

03:05:48.960 I'm in favor of an autocracy that is both theocratic and nationalist.

03:05:56.200 I like that answer.

03:05:57.720 That's similar to me.

03:05:59.140 When I've been asked that question before,

03:06:01.200 I said, fascist monarchist in the streets and ANCAP in the sheets.

03:06:07.360 Because, you know, my ideal foreign government might not be possible.

03:06:11.460 There's a lot of evolution that takes place to get a proper monarchy, a proper dynasty,

03:06:18.820 the type of monarch that you would want.

03:06:21.660 So if I don't get that, then I'll just be a meme ANCAP.

03:06:26.020 So if I can't have that, then let me have nukes and slaves.

03:06:29.580 i can't have that then we're not having a conversation i wash my hands of it

03:06:34.700 yeah and people think i'm joking like no that's right i want these two things or

03:06:39.980 fuck off i guess i could call myself a czarist with canadian characteristics

03:06:45.580 um and i think a lot of people love a problem with me uh are using the term czarist because

03:06:55.280 they cannot possibly imagine that it can be extricated from its context in pre-1918 Russia.

03:07:05.280 But I do believe that certain ideologies can have a meaning or a doctrine that can be taken

03:07:19.320 outside of its context and be applied to other contexts but um you know being shifted to uh

03:07:28.440 to accommodate uh certain realities that we are facing now so i'm not like a czarist uh like

03:07:37.000 uh i'm not necessarily in favor of a hereditary monarchy uh i think the time of uh hereditary

03:07:44.520 positions of government has passed um it doesn't work anymore you know for example

03:07:51.960 uh wow i'm going to speak about serbia again uh in serbia there is a king called um milan

03:07:59.240 obranovic and he um married a woman who was infertile uh so he could not continue his dynasty

03:08:07.880 One of the things that people bring up in order to justify monarchy is the idea that kings plan in advance because their sons will govern the country, so they have a personal investment in the future of the country.

03:08:26.320 But if you look at the late monarchies, like in Serbia, or like Nicholas II in Russia, or Karl in Romania, like Karl II, who was a big gambler, like he had massive debts to banks because he was like spending millions of dollars on like gambling, hosting parties.

03:08:50.200 These kings did not give a shit about the future of their countries.

03:08:55.140 So I'm not in favor of hereditary monarchy for that reason.

03:08:59.320 There has to be a new way, a better way to select the leader of a country.

03:09:07.920 That's true.

03:09:08.780 It seems that the populace of the United Kingdom seem to love their royal family.

03:09:15.200 I'm not sure that they revere the royal family.

03:09:18.040 I think they see them more as celebrities.

03:09:20.040 So their white acceptance can be possibly correlated with how little power they actually wield.

03:09:28.040 Whereas, you know, when I said I'm a fascist, Marcus, every a lot of things would need to be different and they would need to be perfect.

03:09:35.720 And we don't live in a perfect world. So that's why, you know, that's almost like a science fiction fantasy I have.

03:09:42.580 And even people who call themselves openly monarchists, and there's been a few of them in our spaces, they're seen as eccentric.

03:09:50.040 like it's not even a serious position for most people and i understand that

03:09:54.100 it's just i'm too weird man i'm too fucked up whenever someone asks me for a solution

03:10:00.600 to modernity or whatever it's going to be something mind-bending and radical you know

03:10:08.360 once you really think about these problems all the way to the bottom you either become nihilistic

03:10:13.280 and you know reserve yourself to your faith or you become preposterous which is where i'm at

03:10:19.520 which is where I think a lot of our shared listeners are at as well.

03:10:24.960 Let's circle back to MGE Brothers.

03:10:28.780 Will you put the link to it in the description?

03:10:32.400 Absolutely.

03:10:33.080 I was going to put it up on screen too,

03:10:35.220 but I didn't know if you just wanted the Discord up on the screen

03:10:38.300 because there's people's messages in there.

03:10:40.780 But I will certainly put the link in the description.

03:10:44.620 Okay.

03:10:44.880 Okay. What I will say is that this server is not for a regular political discussion. It is for meeting people in real life. If you join this server, join with the intention of actually meeting people and using the channels for that purpose.

03:11:07.760 If you want to share a meme, if you want to discuss politics, you can do it anywhere else.

03:11:14.580 The server regulates all discussion other than meeting people in real life.

03:11:24.200 What sorts of events or meetups have you been seeing so far?

03:11:28.000 I'm always curious about this whenever I talk to people who get into stuff like this.

03:11:32.700 usually it is hikes or um you know meeting at a bar uh sometimes people play pool uh

03:11:42.200 so it is just you know meeting other people at at different places uh it is nothing it's nothing

03:11:53.260 special it'd be so funny if people got into it with the wrong idea and they're like they go to

03:11:59.440 a meetup group and they're just trying to organize land parties i'm just trying to get people in a

03:12:04.400 room with their desktop pcs to game uh well that wouldn't be the worst thing i always thought

03:12:12.940 about this and this is something that we talk about all the time with our events organization

03:12:17.940 like what sorts of interesting events can we do and i'm always trying to get people more outdoors

03:12:24.540 because i know a lot of these groups from across you know the western world there's a lot of these

03:12:29.300 i know basket weavers for example they're big in england in the uk it's a lot of bars it's a lot

03:12:35.800 of cafes and stuff but i'm always trying to get people to go hiking go rucking do really you know

03:12:43.180 physically engaging things like even the last event we did it was somewhat of a cop-out because

03:12:48.860 we did have this very expansive cabin but the plan was to get people to go camping which is

03:12:55.820 probably we're going to do the next time we're going to have a mix of cabins plus yurts plus

03:13:00.120 tents and a whole spread of different options for people but i know there's people who like

03:13:04.780 let's go hiking for three days up a mountain let's go fishing let's do go go rent a fucking

03:13:13.640 boat and go somewhere all kinds of go sailing find someone who knows how to sail a boat and

03:13:18.340 take a few guys with them so that's the level that we're thinking at and i think there's a lot

03:13:23.120 opportunity for to engage more people more types of events that also teach them practical skills

03:13:32.240 um i know nothing all i know is meeting people at bars and doing hikes uh i i'm i'm useless

03:13:42.400 so yeah you guys getting drunk together what's wilhelm do when he lets loose at the bar

03:13:47.680 are um i don't know i love i love having fun um

03:13:55.440 what do you do what do you do for fun you know because we actually got you know we got to hang

03:14:01.180 out at the event everyone's drinking everyone's smoking and getting loud and everything and

03:14:06.980 wilhelm fit right in but i'm wondering um what do you what do you do for fun are you like the

03:14:12.460 the life of the party when you're at these things um usually i don't know if you could tell

03:14:19.420 i don't go to parties or or events a lot um the the most i do is uh is go to these meetups um

03:14:32.140 i'm i'm a typical zoomer i don't uh i'm not big into partying well do zoomers drink because i

03:14:38.940 keep hearing that zoomers aren't into getting drunk and or even drinking casually what's your read on

03:14:46.380 that uh that's true for a lot of them but uh i'd say that like half are not into drinking and the

03:15:00.220 the other half uh drink a lot so it is it is um you get two extremes yeah every every millennial

03:15:11.740 is you know half an alcoholic and then you go back in time and it just gets i i wonder and i

03:15:17.660 was thinking about this the other day because everyone says not everyone but you see these

03:15:21.820 articles published that you know drinking has fallen off with as the generations have gone on

03:15:28.940 but i wonder how much of it was just devoured by weed you know i mean like how many people

03:15:34.460 might have been drinkers but they just switched over to weed because it's legal in canada and

03:15:39.500 maybe they just want to party which makes you know society less interesting because i'd rather have

03:15:45.420 a drunk society than a high society um i have no thoughts about this i think things get done when

03:15:54.940 you're drunk i think i think if everyone was drunk we might not be in the situation we're in right

03:16:01.660 now i think canada has the character to support that you know we're a pretty big drinking society

03:16:08.700 compared to maybe even in america and so is so is england i mean everyone's drinking massive frosty

03:16:15.020 mugs of beer all the fucking time but uh i think if we spent two years and everyone was drunk i

03:16:24.380 think we would come out the other end take a couple days to recuperate we'd find a lot of these

03:16:30.220 problems are just gone yeah are you saying the lipshits don't drink a lot they might but it's

03:16:39.020 whether or not they can out fight us when they're drunk like we're just gonna we're gonna wake up

03:16:45.740 and there's just a lot of holes in the ground and we don't know how they got there and everyone uses

03:16:50.620 crypto. A lot of decisions were made and certain industries don't exist anymore.

03:16:58.580 And then we just don't talk about it. We don't look at our phones. We delete our text messages,

03:17:04.040 get new phones after it's over. And then no fuss, no muss. That's my politics. I believe in

03:17:11.640 politics that have huge retarded decisions being made because we don't do that anymore. Everyone

03:17:18.840 negotiates everyone nitpicks and pokes holes in nuanced strategy i'm like you know what who

03:17:26.080 didn't do that it was the founding fathers of america you know who didn't do that sir john

03:17:30.880 a mcdonald the first prime minister of canada who was a notorious fall down drunk who would

03:17:36.000 wander into the woods and disappear for days at a time and come back with the pelt of something

03:17:43.660 that you've never even seen before.

03:17:46.100 And that was a great man.

03:17:47.620 So that was back when people did things in this country.

03:17:51.400 Yeah, we don't do great things anymore.

03:17:54.780 We should have massive infrastructure projects

03:17:57.600 like having high-speed rail between Quebec City and Windsor.

03:18:02.740 We don't do great things anymore.

03:18:06.760 Agreed.

03:18:07.740 So, and maybe this could be the last thing that we end on.

03:18:10.900 And I know when we were speaking before, you had mentioned the need for ideological education.

03:18:17.460 And I was wondering if you could expand on that.

03:18:20.720 Oh, yeah.

03:18:21.100 I'm glad you brought that up.

03:18:26.080 When it comes to the murders of, let's say, I don't know if you remember, Abba Akerlund in Sweden.

03:18:36.300 but she was murdered by

03:18:40.480 an immigrant

03:18:43.160 and the parents forgave the

03:18:48.520 immigrant. And the reason they

03:18:52.380 did that, the reason they were forgiving

03:18:55.840 is because in a very real sense they didn't know

03:19:00.320 any better. What was her name

03:19:04.360 again, can you just repeat this? Okay, sorry, continue. And the reason the majority of the

03:19:18.720 population believes in this democratic system is because they don't know any better. They're not

03:19:27.080 invested in politics, like it is the, it's the Pareto principle. 20% of people consume 80%

03:19:36.600 of the politics. For the other 80%, they don't give a shit. And so, but let's say if you went to

03:19:48.880 every single person and you like at the beginning of this interview, we told them about

03:19:56.040 uh the economics and the like how they're being screwed over economically and how um you know the

03:20:03.240 courts are unjust and how there's censorship and if they really understood how unjust this system

03:20:10.600 is then there would be a lot more angry people but again they just don't engage um

03:20:19.560 it is like having the the tool sets to understand the world you know we we use tools like a hammer

03:20:30.440 and uh and a sickle to do stuff in real life but we also need mental tools like nobody is born

03:20:38.680 with the capability to do long division you have to learn that you have to learn how to um

03:20:46.440 how to be an engineer. In the same way, you also need to learn how to think.

03:20:53.140 Ideology is a worldview. It's a way to see the world. It's a way to understand and comprehend

03:21:00.560 the world. And if for all your life, you've been told to do land acknowledgments, if you've been

03:21:08.320 holds to um to i don't know check your privilege or um or believe in the civic process of democracy

03:21:18.320 that that is your tool set and it is a awful tool set because for let's look at it from our

03:21:29.040 perspective an immigrant goes through the european union like uh goes through turkey

03:21:36.960 in a caravan, then crosses a border into Bulgaria, then Romania, then Germany, and somehow ends up in

03:21:43.960 Sweden. This person shouldn't even be there, but they are. And when they are there, they commit

03:21:50.500 crimes. That is, you know, the way that we see it. But how Lipschitz sees it is like, well,

03:22:02.260 there are terrible things going on in the rest of the world. There's a Syrian civil war.

03:22:06.960 they're refugees. And they go through these countries seeking safety. And the reason they

03:22:13.540 commit crimes is because of their upbringing. Humans are not violent by nature. That is

03:22:19.240 something that is imposed on them through their own socioeconomic conditions. And

03:22:28.300 there would be a lot more political, there would be a lot more willingness to

03:22:35.820 do dissident political organizing if people had our tool set instead of the awful tool set that

03:22:47.620 they were given by this regime. So education is important. I made this point in another video

03:22:54.300 that, you know, Gavrilo Princip, you know, the anarchist who shot Franz Ferdinand,

03:23:00.880 And he had, or he read more than a lot of people read today.

03:23:07.820 Like he was well educated.

03:23:10.760 He became, he became dedicated to the national cause of Serbia simply for reading.

03:23:19.160 And we should encourage reading.

03:23:22.300 We should encourage the development of a specific coherent worldview.

03:23:30.880 Moreover, you know, Zoomers have the, what's it called, not the epithet, but what sort I'm looking for, the reputation of switching from one extreme ideology to another.

03:23:50.100 and the reason they do that is because they look at things online that they like like

03:23:58.000 the czarist aesthetic I like that I'll become a monarchist or like the aesthetic of communism

03:24:04.880 I like that but they never do any reading and so they're easily swayed by the different aesthetics

03:24:14.320 or vibes or emotions of different movements.

03:24:19.240 But if there was any serious education,

03:24:23.100 any serious formation of a worldview,

03:24:25.740 then they would be a lot more committed

03:24:32.380 to any specific ideology.

03:24:37.460 So ideally, where would this education happen?

03:24:42.120 Because currently it's happening in online spaces.

03:24:45.580 I would say that our side of the political spectrum probably reads the most.

03:24:52.500 We like to joke around that no one reads over here.

03:24:55.180 But really, I think I can't think that's not true.

03:24:59.800 I was going to say I can't think of any successful leftist publishers, but there's quite a few successful leftist publishers.

03:25:05.220 I'm happy I didn't say that.

03:25:06.760 But we do have quite a few highly successful right wing publishers as well.

03:25:12.120 and uh reading is pretty popular on this side but in a perfect world you know i don't know

03:25:19.160 if we would call it indoctrination but you would you have more exposure to more types of because

03:25:26.460 the thing about people on our side is we actually do have exposure to different types of ideologies

03:25:30.400 it's not just that we were indoctrinated into right-wing thinking i would say that most people

03:25:35.760 on the far right have a better grasp of leftist ideology than even most leftists and a better

03:25:41.700 grasp of most more anarchist ideologies so they kind of embrace all of it and that gets us into

03:25:46.820 trouble sometimes and we get all kinds of kooky ideas but uh in the in a perfect world would we

03:25:53.940 have a widespread of ideological indoctrination or would it be more narrow uh we already have an

03:26:03.860 awesome canon of thinkers like avola and carlisle and the elite theorists like mosca and uh pareto

03:26:12.580 and michelle and uh schmidt like these are everything that we need has already been written

03:26:20.820 you know i i'm a i'm a traditionalist i'm a what's it a perennialist um we already have

03:26:28.660 ancient knowledge it is just a matter of of teaching people and you know we can do that

03:26:36.500 through um making uh videos like like i do or doing live streams or or simply encouraging

03:26:45.060 people to read on their own time um you know people often ask i think every political content

03:26:52.740 creator gets asked, what's your reading list? What books do you recommend? And the answer should

03:26:59.100 always be, you know, if they don't know where to start to, start them with the basics. Start them

03:27:05.060 with, you know, Anima Parvini, our academic agent, made two great books, The Populist Illusion and

03:27:13.440 prophets of doom these are like um uh primers for uh for right-wing ideology so you know everything

03:27:24.960 uh that we're already doing uh is great um and i would only say that it should be insisted upon more

03:27:38.000 if that answers your question no it does absolutely answers it and uh that actually

03:27:42.880 brings us to a close because i do need to get going right now uh we went over the a lot of time

03:27:48.560 which is good because i've greatly enjoyed speaking with you um and so what is the best

03:27:54.640 should we before if before we forget for people who don't check the description because most

03:27:58.480 people don't check the description the best way to uh get into the uh group is there a discord

03:28:06.160 link uh do people need to go through discord i don't assume there's a a main website for it yet

03:28:11.360 but um is it's closed off you need to apply to get into it correct yeah there is some betting

03:28:20.160 of course so um it's called what was it the mdg mge brothers and by the way mge stands for my

03:28:29.120 gaming edge uh yeah i was about to ask what it said for my gaming edge um it is okay you

03:28:36.400 Do you know what Team Purchase do?

03:28:38.260 Yes.

03:28:39.320 There was a meme that was popular a couple of years ago.

03:28:43.560 Now it's kind of stale, but it's like, it's just drawings of the TF2 mercenaries being buff and like saying like little blurbs like, I could show you a picture of it.

03:29:05.020 A lot of it is in Russian, so you wouldn't – I don't know.

03:29:11.380 I love the explanation of this meme.

03:29:14.220 I don't know.

03:29:14.500 If you look up – like, if you can look up quickly Ukrainian MGE on Google, that should give you some images.

03:29:24.680 But the reason it's named that is much the same reason why Basset Weaving is named Basset Weaving.

03:29:30.660 um it's because it's like a nonsense um uh term that um that's it it gives the same level of

03:29:44.440 serious of seriousness as this um organization itself which is not very serious it is for

03:29:51.080 meeting people uh it's on an advocacy group uh so that's why i named it mge and also and also

03:29:57.960 because i like tf2 yeah that factors into a lot of your videos doesn't as well i believe that's

03:30:04.020 the um the image you have right there that's from tf2 right you're yeah yeah all right tf2

03:30:12.160 is that your favorite is that the game you're playing right now because i've been on about

03:30:16.500 hell divers too a lot recently oh i've been playing tf2 for basically all my life uh so

03:30:25.660 so that's the what you don't play any other game that's just the one basically damn but i mean it's

03:30:33.260 popular there's there are people who do that like there's been people playing world of warcraft for

03:30:38.320 like what 15 years by this point so i guess it shouldn't be that surprising you could pick a

03:30:44.240 worse game yeah you can one of these speed runners that plays like a fucking weird old ps1 game

03:30:51.280 obsessively yeah i could or i could play a league of legends or runescape uh which are much worse

03:30:58.320 yeah runescape doesn't even fucking seem fun i remember playing runescape when i like i had a

03:31:04.440 friend who played runescape and i would just kind of watch him play it for a bit and i'm like man i

03:31:10.020 can't wait to see what games are like in the future it turns out some people just never stop

03:31:14.460 playing runescape and the original runescape too and like it just it doesn't seem like an

03:31:21.460 enjoyable time even um and i knew some guys who were into league of legends when i was in college

03:31:27.300 and uh yeah i i just wasn't about it i i didn't i didn't get that one

03:31:32.300 but also like when i see people when i see people playing like fucking um

03:31:39.600 the counterstrike or shit like or whatever the new battlefield is it seems like everyone's on

03:31:45.220 meth everyone's trying to find a glitch everyone's trying to do like tricks and you can't even it's

03:31:51.580 very difficult to even watch it because it's so fast and kinetic and then it just seems like no

03:31:56.060 one's having fun everyone's just losing their mind and they're taking pills to win well it's

03:32:02.840 that in competitive because like when when it when a game is that old you know it comes down

03:32:09.360 to exploiting certain uh movement mechanics yeah i i play fucking first person shooter single

03:32:19.440 player games that's my bag i haven't played any competitive i never really even played

03:32:23.480 a competitive game the last time i did that would have been the original halo and that's it

03:32:28.800 anyway so that i think that brings us to a close i just want to thank you again for taking the time

03:32:35.940 everyone check out wilhelm apologist on youtube it's an amazing channel great videos um and

03:32:42.720 there's a great many fans or audience who are happy that we're going to be talking so uh any

03:32:48.680 last uh plugs you'd like to make or anything that we might have missed

03:32:52.140 no i don't think so all right perfect i'm gonna let you go and thanks again and i'll see you all

03:33:00.880 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you

Blood Satellite - September 19, 2025

To Make a Societylette You're Gonna Have to Break a Few Libggs

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