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00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be a

00:00:07.840 blood satellite my zip code is when i zip down my fly and the woman says oh you code is ice

00:00:25.020 we're having such a calm conversation off mic and eat you start recording and that's what you lead

00:00:34.060 with oh baby you code his eyes my zip code okay all right he got it but like why would she look 0.99

00:00:43.920 at your penis and say you're cold as ice like that's even call a doctor baby call a doctor 1.00

00:00:50.940 Did you take your medication? 1.00

00:00:54.720 It's deeply concerned.

00:00:58.540 It's Cat Williams.

00:01:00.680 You cold as ice.

00:01:04.840 So your zip code is when you unzip your fly and then Cat Williams says. 1.00

00:01:10.460 Zip code is when you take your cock in front of Cat Williams. 0.99

00:01:14.420 It is what it be. 0.99

00:01:16.780 uh black people good evening everyone uh we have a lot to discuss it's been a while 0.65

00:01:25.760 since we had a proper death episode 0.93

00:01:28.540 yeah a lot has happened this is an interesting time to record we lucked out didn't we well i mean

00:01:38.000 not in in the sense that we say we never talk about it until a week has passed because all

00:01:42.440 other shit happened in the last 72 hours but before we get into the news of the day i just

00:01:48.380 needed to let people know everyone talked about the smoke detector chirp meme remember that yeah 0.98

00:01:56.620 black people everyone kind of became aware of that at the same time i became convinced

00:02:01.240 more strongly than ever how that really is a racial divide because i had that happen to me

00:02:07.820 just last night the batteries on the smoke detector went out and was doing the chirp yep 0.80

00:02:13.440 and it drove me out of my fucking mind i was oh yeah like you'll it's somebody was saying the 0.97

00:02:19.700 other day this thing about like the white people will go into like a suicidal rage over the most 0.99

00:02:25.520 the simplest things like we don't have we spiral and don't have an off switch and that's one of

00:02:30.280 them like a beeping or like a buzzing a buzzing fridge or an air conditioner as well or something

00:02:34.760 like that and it's like if it wakes you up in the middle of the night you don't want to put a hole

00:02:38.060 in the wall i get to righteous indignation quick fast everything is a lion's end everything is a 1.00

00:02:45.300 hill i'm going to die on and that shit like you know you're laying down in your marital bed 0.99

00:02:51.160 and you hear the chirp and your eyes just slam open like a renin stimpy cartoon bloodshot 1.00

00:02:58.160 dilated and i'm going around those because i got several and i switch one and then you think you

00:03:05.960 got it and then you hear it also lights are off in the house kids are sleeping and you don't

00:03:10.780 remember where they all are so you got to either go by ear and stumble or you got to turn lights 0.96

00:03:16.420 on and wake people up it's bad and now you're really mad yeah and it's like just kill me in 0.90

00:03:22.600 fire let the fire consume me yeah i'm tired of this this is a bad one one beep one beep and 0.98

00:03:29.800 you're already prepared to burn the whole house down so maybe we should hop right into it this is

00:03:37.320 breaking news as of today when this is being recorded not going to be the case once this goes

00:03:43.400 live it'll be a day or two old but i have a feeling that it's still gonna be fresh in people's minds

00:03:49.720 i hate these stories though the reasons because there's always some interesting development that

00:03:53.560 happens the next day yeah that we don't get to cover so i'm going to try and uh let's try and

00:03:58.840 predict everything let's try and cover our bases because we've got a lot of bad takes associated

00:04:03.720 with this i'm talking about charlie kirk getting shot in the neck to my great fellow americans i

00:04:10.280 am filled with grief and anger at the heinous assassination of charlie kirk on a college campus

00:04:17.320 in utah charlie inspired millions and tonight all who knew him and loved him are united in shock and

00:04:25.560 horror kirk was a massive figure in the maga movement sometimes called the trump whisperer

00:04:32.040 leading an army of young conservatives key to donald trump's election success he was even given

00:04:38.200 a prime speaking spot at the republican convention good evening i'm charlie kirk founder of turning

00:04:44.360 point usa radio host podcaster the voice of young conservatives possibly not even shot in the neck

00:04:52.240 explain so somebody had said based on the way that his shirt and his body moved and the way

00:04:58.900 that it seemed to kind of cut a very large section of his neck that the shooter was aiming for his

00:05:04.980 chest and that it hit his chest and either deflect and he was wearing soft body armor

00:05:10.600 underneath his shirt because of course and there was either some spalling or deflection

00:05:15.900 and some part either of the armor or of the bullet went up and that's what hit his neck and that

00:05:22.340 you know killed him faster than if it had gone through his chest probably um that would be

00:05:29.180 even more tragic like basically killed by your own protective body armor and now who knows but

00:05:36.160 I mean, that also lends more credibility to the idea that it was a longer shot by an inexperienced shooter.

00:05:41.540 Maybe, because it would be easier to hit a guy in the chest and then miss by nine inches, but accidentally still get him in the neck.

00:05:50.320 I don't know.

00:05:51.100 Yeah.

00:05:51.340 That would be a trick shot.

00:05:52.620 That would be like when we're playing pool and are just nailing it and we need to act like it was on purpose.

00:05:58.320 Yeah.

00:05:59.540 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:00.340 Fuck. 1.00

00:06:01.060 After every shot, fighting the urge to go, yippee. 1.00

00:06:03.720 Blood's not even cold yet.

00:06:04.740 i do want to i maybe we should say in the beginning too not to be totally disrespectful

00:06:10.520 we're a jocular couple of guys uh but we don't you know it is it is a tragedy that he died he

00:06:18.720 leaves behind a family and uh allow me to uh jump upon the death of the mood uh but no it's true

00:06:28.720 because i think there's a lot of people who are reacting to this in the moment it's very

00:06:34.160 inflammatory stuff going around and we're gonna reserve some of the most extreme rhetoric

00:06:40.540 regarding what we think should happen but i was very affected by this and i guess we're still

00:06:47.980 inside of it because it just happened today and i'm thinking you know if you haven't seen the

00:06:54.140 video like it is gruesome i would say it's one of the and we've seen videos like this before i think

00:06:59.660 everybody has this is one of the most visually upsetting ones because the camera aimed right at

00:07:06.700 him like you see basically a hole in his neck emerge and blood is pouring out and so many people

00:07:12.980 when they see these sorts of videos they will remark that it doesn't look like the way they

00:07:18.180 thought it would look or they think it looks fake this one looked like it was directed by

00:07:22.880 quentin tarantino yeah it was it was a ridiculous amount of blood i'm not saying it's unreal i'm

00:07:28.440 just saying like you don't usually get something like this and to me that people want to avert

00:07:33.200 their eyes and we'll get to this in the next death story that we have but i i think people

00:07:40.200 should fix their eyes upon it this is what it looks like this is what happens this is what

00:07:45.340 happens to a body here's how fast it can happen here's how people react around you when it

00:07:52.000 happens and um you know when people imagine like like a shooting like this in their heads they

00:07:58.400 imagine someone getting shot in the chest they go ak and then go to the side so this was like

00:08:02.280 you get to see it and it's it's ugly and it's it is shocking when that gorilla stabbed arena on the

00:08:09.280 subway or on the bus rather that's gonna be the next door yeah but like my point is is in the in

00:08:13.800 the video there it's more like i mean what we've seen lately because that was only a few days ago

00:08:18.380 too was uh she gets hit and she doesn't even know she's cut and there's not even any blood on camera

00:08:24.140 um for for a while there as it kind of develops so and then yeah this thing with like you say

00:08:30.380 it literally is tarantino it's it's surreal the splash of blood so yeah and uh i don't harbor

00:08:37.820 any ill will towards charlie kirk i was not a fan of his uh we may disagree i'm sure we disagree

00:08:44.700 integrate many things. Political radicalism needs a catalyst. Political radicalism does not come out

00:08:51.700 of peace, prosperity, rising wages, stable families, church attendance, and happy people.

00:08:57.500 Happy people, grateful people do not get behind Vladimir Lenin, and they certainly don't get

00:09:02.880 behind Chavez or Castro. That's right. People that own nothing, that feel like their property

00:09:07.580 is diminishing, they don't have property, or their dollar is diminishing in value,

00:09:10.720 they start to look for alternatives. And so the political project in front of us as conservatives

00:09:16.880 should be, how do we actually de-radicalize the country in the next couple of years?

00:09:21.080 That's my obsession. We probably align on a great many things. I do think that he was,

00:09:29.040 you know what the funny thing is, and people are going to, I'm not trying to drag anyone for this,

00:09:34.600 but he is very his career is parallel to nick fuentes yeah they went divergent paths obviously

00:09:41.800 whereas but the same type of guy is what i'm saying i said this a while ago like they are

00:09:47.160 guys who've never really had a job they're guys who they went right from high school and entered

00:09:52.840 into politics entered into either being part of the political machine or getting in front of a

00:09:58.120 camera they're yeah like organizing yeah like young republicans and charlie kirk was still big with

00:10:03.240 them but like they he was just never outside of that machine he was a media operator and that's

00:10:11.240 not us that's not really anyone i know but looking at who he was and what he represented

00:10:17.580 i got the sense we could work with that now maybe he's not the most trustworthy person because these

00:10:23.560 guys they're always changing lanes they're all like you've seen charlie kirk's rhetoric evolve

00:10:30.500 over the years except when it comes to israel and that's one big issue but he was getting more

00:10:35.220 extreme in talking about you know interracial crime and things of that nature and just maybe

00:10:42.520 i'm naive but i keep thinking like maybe down the road there was a way to crowbar him away from

00:10:49.420 israel because one of the bits of gossip i've been hearing and this is heard it from a guy

00:10:54.680 heard it from a guy on the internet but there was allegedly a quote from charlie girk saying that

00:10:59.520 he was afraid that israel would kill him if he ever broke from israel right he was going down

00:11:05.320 that path and getting into the massad business and things like that but then the more i think

00:11:12.300 about it the more i'm like yeah this actually is in line with a lot of stuff that you know the way

00:11:16.960 charlie kirk is moving away and how terrible that would be for israel if that was the case and

00:11:21.500 how they can you know make him a martyr for the cause and nobody would expect them because he's

00:11:25.640 so pro-israel but he's moving away and maybe again they had internal communications where he

00:11:30.220 was a little bit even more you know honest about how he felt or his intentions moving into the

00:11:34.340 future the fact that he was having guests on where every single guest mentioned epstein and

00:11:38.220 and israel it was he was he was getting out of control so that birth the conspiracy theory that

00:11:44.280 i don't really subscribe to that israel killed him which i don't think happened however that

00:11:48.960 would be interesting it's certainly it is certainly to israel's benefit that he's dead

00:11:54.180 and i'll and you know obviously because it you know it allows the authorities to clamp down on

00:12:01.140 anti-israel sentiment because he was a pro-israel guy but the other part of it and i can't remember

00:12:07.280 specific tweets but i recall things being shared over the past year or so where he was starting

00:12:15.300 to hint kind of like a candace owens thing or kind of like tucker like tucker yeah where he's

00:12:20.360 not going he's not going anti-israel but he's starting to maybe make some delineations just

00:12:25.480 like you know jews are our allies but the state of israel needs to be held accountable for x

00:12:32.960 which is like okay that's very milquetoast but for you you're literally you are waving the israel

00:12:40.300 flag so to go from there to here that's a pretty big transition what trajectory are you on over

00:12:45.920 next few years and who else is viewing that and then you know there's some kind of scheme maybe

00:12:51.840 again i'm not saying that israel killed him but it's interesting of all the people that like

00:12:58.240 you'll notice it wasn't ben shapiro who was shot today yeah people were saying that this has got a

00:13:05.120 lot of people concerned that it happened to charlie kirk it could happen to them let me just say before

00:13:10.560 before i forget that of the people that are listed i think nick fuentes has the highest likelihood

00:13:16.380 of being next and it brings me no joy to say that because we're no friends the america first

00:13:22.660 movement we've had our intense criticisms of nick fuentes but i don't want to see nick fuentes shot

00:13:28.860 no no i said i want to roll him up in a carpet and push him down to the real river and like hit

00:13:33.700 him with a cafeteria tray and then you take him out and go yeah and then buy him a beer but like 0.95

00:13:39.820 it's i want to beat him up and bully him until he cries but i don't think he should die i i just

00:13:45.780 want to put it out there that first of all nick flint has narrowly avoided being shot at his home 0.89

00:13:51.420 that was funny that was actually that was a funny one that was but it reveals that he's moving in

00:13:58.220 the exact wrong type of way he is too reachable he's out in the streets of chicago just by himself

00:14:05.620 chicago of all places he's got no security he's got no one with him i'm pretty sure he lives

00:14:12.340 i think alone or with a couple people but like he is not for a guy who was just profiled in the new

00:14:17.460 york times and they didn't hate him not really like like he's these types of people they obsessed

00:14:26.100 about charlie kirk about as much as nick fuentes they hate him the types of people who were into

00:14:32.820 this because i had someone in another chat saying that well charlie kirk's bigger than nick fuentes

00:14:37.460 he was he was on south park for pete's sake i do think charlie kirk is bigger in of course terms

00:14:44.820 but not like it from you know as a as a media personality no i think i think fuentes probably

00:14:50.100 had more reach or in terms of you know attracting the ire of this one group yes because you know

00:14:58.180 they they just they hate they put us and he is way too touchable right now so i i would recommend

00:15:04.020 someone like fine he needs more than a ring camera right now you know because really what i was

00:15:10.900 pointing to before was um i don't think there's really any conspiracy about this people are

00:15:15.220 talking false flag people are talking about how this will serve the security panopticon and the

00:15:21.060 security state i'm like i mean it does but just because it serves it doesn't mean that they did

00:15:26.340 it it just means they're gonna make hay out of it it serves that in the sense that everything does

00:15:31.140 because it's a juggernaut it's a runaway berserker machine that could you know the trans shooters

00:15:37.060 serve that too i think that was real like everything does it but it turns out that

00:15:42.900 there's a lot of radicalized people right now and these individuals we don't even know who the

00:15:48.180 shooter is at present but if it turns out to be a groiber i'm gonna flip that would be so

00:15:53.940 but if it turns out just to be another tranny or an antifa type um what i would point to is that

00:16:02.100 this group is losing they've been losing for quite some time now and that's very frustrating for them

00:16:10.740 and they remember a time when they had status and influence they had institutional control 0.93

00:16:16.100 and political capture that's fucking going away no one takes antifa seriously anymore bread tube 0.96

00:16:22.720 is dead all of the bridges contra points philosophy too hassan piker is a joke 0.95

00:16:29.120 we covered his gq profile on real secret coffee hours that was a laugh it's like they are not

00:16:35.040 where they once were and they see everyone winning they see nick fuentes in the new york

00:16:39.040 times they see charlie kirk like charlie kirk was in front of a big crowd on a wednesday

00:16:44.480 afternoon in some school like shows in utah like these these are the people who they who were not

00:16:53.180 supposed to be here they're winning tucker carlson do you realize how funny it is that

00:16:59.640 tucker carlson is like bigger than dan rather was you know i mean like he's tucker is almost like a

00:17:07.200 new joe rogan like he's he's approaching he's on that trajectory and then there's also joe rogan

00:17:12.920 you know i mean like they're the the two biggest names are also you know diametrically opposed to

00:17:18.420 these people so they are on a downward spiral they're liable to do things like this they're

00:17:24.600 lashing out they see that they're irrelevant they don't have any pathway to relevancy and for those 0.96

00:17:30.140 who are not just stuck in homoerotic struggle sessions in some fucking dorm like they're going 0.95

00:17:36.200 to do stuff like this um there was rumors that it was i think they arrested three different 0.95

00:17:42.680 boomers for this which is fun i don't know like for me i i'd look for uh the man in a dress or

00:17:50.760 you know like there was a video of a guy on a roof apparently yep that that seems legit most

00:17:58.200 of those videos the ones that were posted earlier you if you pause them you can actually see it's

00:18:03.560 like guys can we start checking roofs well this wasn't the president thing with trump was like

00:18:11.240 to me i still think that was an op there's no way that that people didn't know that was going to

00:18:15.620 happen with how close he was with this guy was farther away probably and it is just charlie

00:18:20.880 kirk like i don't think anybody expected you might expect some lunatic to come up look are

00:18:26.040 they is this security are they checking people they're probably not like you know checking people 0.99

00:18:31.020 for weapons on the way in but this motherfucker was literally on a roof with a rifle like there's 0.98

00:18:36.580 no way anybody expected that to happen today we gotta get just a guy with a drone just check out 0.99

00:18:42.060 the roofs it's happened twice true you start it's like the most and everyone actually what the fuck 0.76

00:18:48.820 why didn't that's you know okay now that you've said it why are why aren't they doing that you

00:18:54.120 could do it with one guy and one drone how much money did that event cost how it wouldn't have 0.68

00:18:59.260 cost you shit to have a guy just run with a with a with a cheap drone every school should have one 0.54

00:19:04.700 just to give it to the janitor and he's he's up there here's here's me as if he's not busy enough 1.00

00:19:11.680 he's the busiest guy at the fucking school give it to literally anybody but the give it to the 0.99

00:19:16.360 ta who does nothing but slap 18 year old ass all day christ the janitor because i'm imagining it's 0.99

00:19:23.380 like high school where it's like he's got to go get the tennis balls off the roof he's got to go 0.99

00:19:27.400 get the everyone oh okay okay chucking basketballs up there and then you know how happy are they

00:19:33.300 going to be when he goes up there and throws

00:19:35.320 them all back down. That was the best day in school.

00:19:37.380 But it's a college, so he's actually just cleaning condoms

00:19:39.420 out of a urinal. He's cleaning condoms

00:19:41.380 off the roof. He's cleaning shell casings off

00:19:43.380 the roof. He's cleaning

00:19:45.400 Charlie Kirk's blood off the sidewalk.

00:19:47.700 This guy had a bad day

00:19:49.440 today. Yeah. We shouldn't be joking.

00:19:51.540 We should not be throwing stuff at the janitor

00:19:53.440 today. By the time this airs,

00:19:55.780 people are going to be laughing about this.

00:19:57.960 Can I just say this? You want to hear the worst

00:19:59.700 thing in the world. When I

00:20:01.680 first saw the headline come across my desk charlie kirk was shot in utah i did laugh 1.00

00:20:09.600 because i was reminded of this stupid fucking meme that i saw before and it was just an image 0.97

00:20:18.220 of the star wars title crawl and it was like the the last jedi and it just had one line said 0.99

00:20:24.600 scrappy do has been found dead in miami and to me like i read that charlie kirk's been shot dead

00:20:31.120 it sounded so preposterous like it sounded so stupid it was sounded like if you said 0.94

00:20:36.240 there was an assassination attempt on carrot top like it was a non-serious thing like charlie 0.99

00:20:43.280 because to me i think to many others everyone was saying the same thing like this is a moderate guy

00:20:49.280 oh yeah he's like he he may be on the same spectrum as us but he's nowhere near radical

00:20:55.000 i can think of a hundred people who are more radical and easier to shoot than charlie so i

00:21:00.740 don't know somebody is a tv race probably i saw some great quotes i don't know where it's from 0.98

00:21:06.700 it might just been ai who the fuck knows but it was you know beware when you when their moderates 0.98

00:21:15.160 get assassinated or something like that like you're killing them you're not killing the radicals 0.99

00:21:19.800 which wouldn't be better but i think for the average people it would be less egregious 0.95

00:21:24.660 because i i don't think most people even think charlie kirk is extreme he's kind of a choir boy

00:21:30.180 because if because if you kill the radicals and the moderates on the right are going to kind of

00:21:34.780 hum and haw and look the other way but when you kill moderates on the right then the other

00:21:39.580 moderates become radicals so it's which is which is where we're at this is the moment yeah and i

00:21:46.340 said in some tweet i made today and this gathers up a larger point that i've been making i said

00:21:53.220 zionism aside they killed charlie kirk because he was white and they said he was an anti-feminist

00:21:59.000 fascist they killed him because leftists have been losing bread tube is dead and regulars 0.96

00:22:03.820 talk like we did seven years ago they want you dead you need to be more unreasonable and that's 0.88

00:22:10.480 me trying to walk a very thin line with what i'm saying realistically i've heard some people say

00:22:16.100 in our absence a bunch of different uh communities and someone i said zionism aside at the start

00:22:22.860 there and someone had attempted to correct me and said well why should zionism be put to the side

00:22:29.700 is is zionism not central to every conversation i said well unless he was killed because of the

00:22:36.040 zionism it's not because what what was charlie kirk shot for he was shot because he was a white 0.92

00:22:43.380 man they thought was a fascist and he made women and leftists look silly right in his shows where 0.96

00:22:49.260 he didn't even fucking curse because i'm pretty sure yeah yeah yeah so he continued no i was 0.98

00:22:54.460 gonna say like if uh if he had been hit by a train right would you be would you be making it about 0.91

00:23:00.380 zionism like can we just talk about the issue that resulted in his death which had nothing to do with

00:23:06.140 with israel because if the only inclusion of zionism that would make sense to me is if israel

00:23:13.060 killed him which we discussed before which is a very interesting hypothesis but let's just put

00:23:20.120 that to the side for now they shot him because he's like you or me or they thought he was they

00:23:26.840 thought he was a far-right guy yeah advocating for the types of things we advocate for even

00:23:32.040 though he does not we're in a weird spot where our enemies are convinced that we're on the side

00:23:36.860 of israel or they treat us the same way like israel is a white colonial power which is 0.96

00:23:41.560 fucking crazy i've seen insane because like we're the most anti-semitic people on earth that's ours 0.99

00:23:46.720 we own it that's our word okay but to then be like oh yeah you you whites are all the same 1.00

00:23:52.320 israeli settlers and and rednecks with guns like okay buddy i'm the weirdest shit man like i saw 0.99

00:23:58.720 someone out there uh responding to a friend of mine and uh they were wondering why i think the 0.99

00:24:04.920 question was why conservatives weren't talking about uh the ukrainian woman who was killed on

00:24:10.540 the bus which we'll talk about in a second and he had said that you know she's a part of a country

00:24:16.060 that you know they're not on the side of anymore or it's you know this they have a political

00:24:21.660 distaste for i'm like hold on do you actually think conservatives don't like ukraine yeah like 0.97

00:24:28.480 what fucking you lost your mind just like oh you know the right wing like they're so pro-risa 0.99

00:24:33.940 what are you talking about 1.00

00:24:36.440 like I

00:24:37.320 we were the first ones who hated

00:24:40.280 Israel it's

00:24:41.900 bananas that they can say

00:24:44.460 that but they can't make sense of it otherwise

00:24:46.200 because they can't ever agree with us so they have to be

00:24:48.420 like no you guys love it because Jews 0.97

00:24:50.300 are white I'm like you got us so wrong 0.97

00:24:52.620 man

00:24:52.960 but yeah like I was saying

00:24:57.860 with Charlie Kirk they shot him because

00:25:00.280 he thought he was us like to me that's

00:25:02.260 how I interpret it

00:25:03.420 and you decide what you want to think about that do you think that's relevant to your life 0.92

00:25:08.580 do you think that means anything to you whether or not you've been fucking agreed with them because

00:25:12.760 it turns out it doesn't matter if you agreed with them what do you think about the image 0.93

00:25:16.760 that they have in their mind the same thing with trump they weren't even shooting donald trump

00:25:21.440 or whether i know you believe it's kind of not but let's just assume that someone tried to

00:25:26.340 assassinate donald trump they were trying to assassinate the image of trump which is close

00:25:30.760 to you blood satellite listener so do you take that personally i do and again trump is another

00:25:37.920 good example of the same thing where it's not whether or not you think that trump is close to

00:25:42.940 you i hate trump i don't like him at all but i accept that my enemies don't distinguish between

00:25:49.580 me and trump and when they're shooting at trump or they're shooting at kirk the reason they are

00:25:53.980 is because they know me they have this image of a monster which is who i actually am and they're

00:25:59.280 projecting that image onto kirk and onto trump and the reason they're shooting kirk and trump

00:26:04.160 is because they're low information people who are trying to find big targets and the reason that

00:26:08.920 it's important to understand that is because if any of us you or i or anybody listening ever became

00:26:13.520 a fraction as big as kirk you're going to have a bullet in your neck the same as him unless

00:26:19.620 something is done because this is how these people operate i want to hear some leftist there's so 0.63

00:26:24.580 many bad yeah let's get some bad ones let's fill it up yeah and again emphasize what you just

00:26:30.000 emphasized we don't know any of the full details of this that we don't know if this was the

00:26:33.880 supporter shooting their gun off in celebration or so we have no idea we all need to turn down

00:26:39.660 the rhetoric so let's be serious about where this violence is coming from of extremist violent

00:26:45.700 attacks in america extremist violence violent murders 76 percent are from right-wing extremists

00:26:53.700 four percent are from left-wing extremists a black red guard more like a red black guard if 0.97

00:27:01.960 you know what i mean that this is a black man by the way this is a black communist i don't oh dude 0.62

00:27:06.840 he's got a little uh like uh gouache illustration of a black guy in a maoist uniform now wow did 0.66

00:27:14.080 you say gouache i was i was on the impression it was gauche no see uh gauche is um when you

00:27:21.700 don't understand what gouache is gouache is gouache is a type of paint it's like watercolor but it

00:27:27.320 has more saturation oh i see i was being gauche because i didn't know what gouache was humiliation

00:27:33.380 he's like he had that ready to go didn't he laid the trap the comment here is well guess he lost

00:27:42.900 the debate and that actually points out an interesting thing because charlie kirk what

00:27:49.000 died with charlie kirk i'm seeing this reverberating throughout the right wing which is this is the

00:27:55.900 last guy him and crowder kind of but crowder peaked crowd someone in our community had said

00:28:01.780 well maybe they should have gone for crowder but like crowder's kind of done crowder peaked a while

00:28:06.760 ago right now it's a different moment he's not really in it i think the divorce with his wife 0.80

00:28:12.460 kind of fucked him up he's on rumble now doing some shit but charlie kirk was ascending uh whether 0.61

00:28:19.240 you like it or not but what died with charlie kirk and i think that was you know this is what 0.95

00:28:25.400 stefan molyneux is talking about you know the end the time for arguments is over yeah i don't know

00:28:31.300 like he he was like crowder just the paragon of that sort of center right you know center right

00:28:41.320 far right whatever you want to call it like you know they understand the racial crime statistics

00:28:47.480 they've actually you know they've heard every anti-semitic thing they're not ignorant to it

00:28:52.520 they just disagree with it but there's probably just as much anti-semitic material in their brain

00:28:57.800 somewhere locked up yeah just they don't look at it yeah but i i just think that era is over

00:29:04.360 like debating with leftists that's done like we're not debating anymore there was a comment 0.99

00:29:11.320 someone had posted something in our community i think it was by this fucking tepid wretched 0.99

00:29:17.720 dink called soul bra and uh this was in the wake of the the bus murder and he was saying something 0.98

00:29:26.520 like i must resist the urge to fed post you know i must let it flow through me i mean he's one of 0.95

00:29:33.360 these guys one of these personalities that they were only fed posting or shit posting because it 0.93

00:29:41.780 was edgy newsflash we all did this stuff we said these things because we believe them to be true 0.97

00:29:49.240 that's the only reason we said it we're on we're trying to be on the side of truth maybe sometimes

00:29:55.120 we fall short but that's why we're doing it if we're fed posting it's because we've been called 0.96

00:30:00.240 to it if we're speaking honestly about something same thing with the shit posting to a degree but 0.96

00:30:06.560 these other guys like they're like oh regular people the lower classes the untermensch they're 0.97

00:30:14.060 anti-semitic now well now i i must be philo-semitic i must carve out an acceptable philo-semitism or

00:30:20.520 they're fed posting so i must be hands off i can never do that and that to me is so disingenuous

00:30:26.440 that is so that's such a treacherous sort of mindset like there's nothing real about you

00:30:31.160 so i would say if the average person is saying things that we were fringed for you know five

00:30:39.200 years ago you know listen to the george floyd riots you really felt like the vocal minority

00:30:46.380 that society was against you now everyone's talking like us now everyone wants to deport 0.96

00:30:51.120 every fucking indian and they want to arrest every democrat they actually do like real crystals 0.97

00:30:57.540 real people are saying like uh we need to make trannies illegal they're just they're making it 0.99

00:31:02.720 so they can't buy guns anymore you know i mean like no it's it's like well what about the second

00:31:07.440 amendment shut up i don't i don't care i don't care i don't care i don't care whatever your

00:31:10.880 argument is i don't care we're speed running the projected villainy that the left had previously 0.99

00:31:17.340 when the left said oh you're trying you just want to kill gays you just want to take all our rights 0.99

00:31:21.260 away you're going to put all the gays in gay camps and at the time you know they've been saying that 0.99

00:31:24.880 for 20 years and up until very recently that was totally not true but increasingly it is true 0.96

00:31:31.760 if you ask people this morning right or i mean thursday morning whether they think troons should

00:31:39.500 all be put in camps i think you might get 20 or 30 percent of the conservative population say yes 0.99

00:31:44.540 for the safety of my children troons should be put in fucking camps do it yeah do it and i i'm not 0.99

00:31:52.800 interested in debating anymore i don't want to hear it i don't want to hear well whatever bible 0.99

00:31:59.060 quotes you've got whatever constitutional precedent you have i don't fucking care

00:32:04.920 save your martin luther king jr quotes save all of it no one's interested in discourse right now

00:32:12.660 clear them out yeah they're just trying to figure out people are saying and of course this

00:32:20.000 serves the interests of the security panopticon or whatever tyrannical motives trump like might

00:32:25.840 have but you know one of the someone that also pointed out we discussed this before as well one

00:32:30.980 of the reasons hitler rose to prominence was because of communist and leftist political violence

00:32:37.820 that that like real people are willing to surrender their liberties for something that

00:32:44.380 makes the madness stop and there's never been more madness than right now so people are saying 0.99

00:32:49.900 trump i don't care hey you want another four years whatever you need they don't give a shit 1.00

00:32:54.900 seize power put these people in fucking jail 1.00

00:32:57.800 take all the illegal immigrants and turn them into mush people are nuts 1.00

00:33:07.240 and i'm i say keep it up i'm not here to be too cool i'm not here to make a buck 0.99

00:33:16.260 if i'm seeing regular people talking like we were doing five years ago good do it 10 more 10 times

00:33:22.500 more because maybe this goes away in a year maybe one or two years the hammer comes down and we

00:33:28.720 don't get to talk like this anymore but for now there's a real headwind he was the last example

00:33:35.460 of someone willing to meet you halfway we're not meeting halfway anymore

00:33:39.120 we're gonna do things with these hands that have never been done before

00:33:46.960 we're getting novel we're getting innovative over here yeah uh here's a jet you want to see a bad

00:33:56.800 take yeah jesse kelly political power grows out of the barrel of a gun that's a quote from

00:34:04.520 chairman mao he says please understand that political violence has always been seen as a

00:34:10.860 useful tool for the communists it's not that they're okay with it they encourage it your

00:34:15.400 value system allows you to do that when you don't value human life so what he's trying to say is

00:34:20.340 like don't think about defending yourself revenge turn the other cheek don't look back in anger

00:34:27.200 that's what the communists want yeah i'm not not listening to it the communists want you to get 0.95

00:34:34.500 angry like no they want you to die that's why they're shooting us they want us to die

00:34:39.680 so you have to you should turn to christ here's the thing uh hot shot i spoke to christ and he's

00:34:47.160 okay with this thing i'm about to do jesus christ co-signed for me buying an industrial shredder

00:34:56.320 you seen one of those i was watching videos love them of industrial big massive

00:35:03.380 churning teeth and they're throwing

00:35:05.780 engines into it and

00:35:07.660 ripping it to shreds and then

00:35:09.640 they'll throw a basketball in

00:35:11.020 but then they're throwing in

00:35:13.660 manhole covers things are coming apart

00:35:15.640 that you've never you didn't know they

00:35:17.620 could come apart right

00:35:19.520 so I thought

00:35:20.940 you know we're gonna have a museum

00:35:23.260 to the day of this thing

00:35:25.320 we're gonna have a day of this thing

00:35:29.740 and then we're gonna have a museum commemorating what

00:35:31.580 we did with it

00:35:32.480 we've got uh you know influencers like destiny saying don't disavow the charlie kirk assassination

00:35:46.300 because that would make you weak and cuck like these people all think they're in a war

00:35:50.240 they like what they saw they like what happened don't get sympathetic now they get 0.53

00:35:56.980 you're not gonna i know i know it's easy to say that you know it's everyone everyone's gonna roll

00:36:03.460 their eyes like oh yeah it's gonna happen but i'm like like it is i think honestly it'd be my

00:36:10.100 prediction and i'm always wrong so i'm fine with being wrong my prediction is this is gonna continue

00:36:16.640 and nothing is gonna happen probably for years this is probably the first of like 18 of these

00:36:22.660 over the next three or four years and nothing's going to happen until we're all crying in our

00:36:27.720 hands and then one morning we're all going to wake up and it and it's going to happen and it's not

00:36:33.600 going to stop for a century so because that's a good point i think it does need to more needs to

00:36:40.960 happen like it's not going to be one single martyr we're very civilized i don't think we give

00:36:47.040 ourselves credit for how civilized we are here's the i'd said that everyone's insane right now but

00:36:52.520 they're not insane yet not really because the european mind the western mind can marshal some

00:36:59.980 very powerful cognitive forces to like explain things away or hold itself in stasis in a sense

00:37:07.140 before it finally snaps it takes a lot for a white guy to snap yeah it really does especially you know

00:37:13.460 on mass like would be necessary but yeah i think you would see several more charlie kirks and then

00:37:19.600 you're going to wake up someone's going to do something there's going to be like a march or

00:37:23.260 something and people are going to get the sense that the police don't have a grip on the situation

00:37:29.980 yeah they're going to get a sense it's going to feel like a snow day you know when you wake up

00:37:35.020 and it's a snow day or you wake up and the power is out across the city and there's this sense you

00:37:41.680 get like we can do anything time time doesn't exist like it did before the way i look at it

00:37:49.180 because obviously like any red-blooded white man i've thought about all these things and you game

00:37:55.480 them out and then you say no i'm not going to do that and it's because i have a job and i have a

00:38:01.040 family and my kids are happy and healthy and worry free and you know all of these things are still

00:38:05.420 kind of arm's length and do i have the potential to do something one day if it was on my doorstep

00:38:09.960 i imagine i do but i'm not anywhere near doing it right now because as horrible as this is out here

00:38:17.600 the cornfields this doesn't actually affect me but i think there's a curve of like value or

00:38:23.360 competence and blacks or in these leftists these urban leftists are on the bottom end of that curve

00:38:29.120 where they don't value their own lives they don't value the lives of people around them they don't 0.99

00:38:33.440 have a future they don't have any money they're broken and full of hatred and there isn't anything

00:38:38.880 holding them back from doing this and as things accelerate that curve is going to crawl to the

00:38:45.520 right and it's gonna engulf people like you and i and i think that's like the assassinations are

00:38:51.760 one thing but like in canada even looking at canada specifically our economy over the last

00:38:56.200 nine months is an absolute free fall it's way worse than people think oh dude if this continues

00:39:02.040 for another another nine months it's gonna happen here before the u.s like and i don't think and to

00:39:07.500 be honest with you i don't think it will i think they're gonna turn it around with stimulus and

00:39:11.400 we're going to have covid all over again but we'll see what happens but it is it's so incredibly bad

00:39:16.700 here but it has to get bad it has to actually be i'm going to give you an example like giving an

00:39:21.840 example it has to be guys like you and i who are stable guys with families who just work and fix 0.88

00:39:27.960 things and keep the ball rolling and everybody's on our fucking shoulders guys like us are going 0.91

00:39:33.360 to other people for handouts because our we can't feed our kids i think that's going to happen and 0.94

00:39:38.400 that's the moment when this when this breaks because if i have to go i'm going to say this

00:39:43.500 right now if i have to go to a food bank to get food for my children after everything that i've

00:39:48.540 done in my life and there is an indian in front of me at the food bank that's a good i might censor

00:39:58.380 that but that's no but i i'm there i'm right there with you i wanted to give another example of what

00:40:05.500 that looks like um and i might have mentioned this on the show before i apologize if i did

00:40:10.460 but months ago when the tariff talk was starting or when it was really at its peak

00:40:18.120 it doesn't really matter what the tariffs actually are it's what people believe that they are

00:40:24.580 so my business is dealing with other businesses and you once you do that you really understand

00:40:32.280 how every business is connected and how they connect with their people and so one thing i

00:40:37.820 was noticing was even if the tariffs weren't directly impacting their shipments or even

00:40:44.940 their customers everyone just assumed that it would so that sent a chill throughout the entire

00:40:50.200 economic structure so if people are convinced that tariffs are coming they don't even understand

00:40:55.220 tariffs but you know i had a client that did uh driveway paving right and if everyone's just

00:41:02.020 convinced that something big is going to happen they're not getting their driveways done anymore

00:41:06.680 maybe they wait six months maybe they wait a year and that's nothing to do with anything they might

00:41:11.020 be fine but it's just it's it chilled the entire economy no one wanted to order anything more and 0.85

00:41:16.080 that has reciprocating effects because then now that business is fucked and now they're connected

00:41:20.520 businesses or whatever it might be so it was just the fear putting the actual impacts of the tariffs

00:41:26.500 aside the impacts were much wider than people might imagine so no one's buying anything from

00:41:32.720 any like small business blue collar businesses are struggling um you know anyway that's just

00:41:38.900 one example of how the whole supply chain like anything that rely like you said blue collar

00:41:42.760 businesses well why because they're local like yeah but everything that they buy comes through

00:41:46.500 the supply chain and once that once the current stock starts to dry up retailers aren't seller

00:41:51.240 like distributors aren't selling it to them at the same price because they don't want to make orders

00:41:54.840 because they don't know how much it's going to cost.

00:41:56.260 I'm even doing the same thing right now.

00:41:57.380 I'm trying to get quotes from people to buy stuff

00:41:59.860 from a couple of different vendors in the States.

00:42:01.900 And never mind the price.

00:42:03.380 I don't even know what the customs are going to be,

00:42:05.400 whether they are going to be affected.

00:42:06.800 And I don't know how to quote people anymore.

00:42:08.380 Like there's a cooling effect on the entire market,

00:42:10.340 like the entire economy.

00:42:12.240 So, and that's against the backdrop of the housing

00:42:15.640 and immigration and productivity problems

00:42:17.620 that our economy had to begin with.

00:42:20.100 Yeah.

00:42:21.160 So everyone's broke and everyone's, you know,

00:42:23.740 the the floor people had to stabilize themselves is going to fall out beneath them

00:42:28.480 entirely and then you're going to really see some problems um or maybe the elbows up people

00:42:35.240 will keep us all in line i'm not sure um related to this we've mentioned this you know off and on

00:42:42.460 over the past discussion but the woman that was the talk of the town before this yep we are

00:42:51.140 looking at irene didn't walk away walk away eileen oh by the way her name was not irene it was

00:43:01.180 irenia yeah i'm anglicizing it it's irene this is the hard part about this case because

00:43:09.180 what you want to do is do what the blacks do which was say their name say her name

00:43:15.920 and then in this case you're like irina zarutska that's why i'm anglicizing it to irene also this

00:43:23.620 is again like the charlie kirk thing where it's like we want to we want to make hay out of this

00:43:29.180 because he was on our side of this very broad fence but irene was a carpetbagger from a country 0.96

00:43:37.060 that we have no love for like why the fuck are you even in our country irene like i see ukrainian 0.99

00:43:42.920 women at the park with their kids and i always wish that i could buy them a fucking ticket to 0.99

00:43:46.620 go back get out of canada but it is obviously it is a tragedy that she was killed by this gorilla 0.99

00:43:54.280 so and police are saying this is actually a random attack the killing took place august 22nd

00:44:02.220 in charlotte's upscale south end neighborhood surveillance video you were talking about

00:44:06.560 that was released by charlotte area transit shows the 23 year old arena zarutska boarding a light

00:44:12.860 rail link's car and then sitting down in front of a man now identified as 34 year old

00:44:17.980 to carlo brown jr after nearly five minutes brown pulls out a folding knife he seems to

00:44:23.660 be playing with it or moving it back and forth and then attacks her police say that brown stabbed

00:44:28.460 zarutska three times including a fatal blow to the neck before walking the length of the train and

00:44:34.060 exiting the victim whom police identified as irina zarutska had recently come to the united

00:44:40.060 states from ukraine to escape the war with russia according to her family started working immediately

00:44:45.260 after she got a work permit helping at a senior citizen center and a pizza place

00:44:50.620 uh and take is this a quote that's just bad journalism she started working at a pizza place 0.99

00:44:56.140 do you have do you have the place where she worked you fucking uh taking care of neighborhood animals 0.97

00:45:02.380 all right so everyone's seen the video and similar to the charlie kirk video uh 0.99

00:45:09.020 my timeline was inundated with people saying,

00:45:13.900 I'm tired of looking at this video.

00:45:15.360 Can we please stop posting the video of this woman getting stabbed?

00:45:19.380 But I said, no, no, keep looking at it.

00:45:23.140 Don't stop looking at it.

00:45:24.940 I hope you see it every single day.

00:45:27.840 You know what I mean?

00:45:28.260 Like that's, again, this is what it looks like.

00:45:30.440 Here's what it looks like when someone gets stabbed.

00:45:33.260 But it wasn't what you thought, was it?

00:45:35.340 Here's how long it takes.

00:45:36.960 Here's what her face looks like.

00:45:39.020 here's how how much blood there is some people were saying it was like here's what people do

00:45:44.900 around her like this is what happens when it happens to you i bet it's not what you thought

00:45:50.920 i bet that people don't react the same way that you what occurred no there were people everywhere

00:45:56.620 and nobody helped her they all just sat there kind of pretending it wasn't happening yeah and um

00:46:02.660 And this video, I think, is important because it's so clear what occurred.

00:46:07.580 And someone had made a point like this is such a great instance because there was no provocation from her.

00:46:14.980 It was truly random.

00:46:15.980 And I said, hold the fort.

00:46:18.900 There's dozens of other cases like this.

00:46:21.200 Like, I'm not trying to belittle this case because I think it's coming at the right time when what we might call nigger fatigue is at a historic high.

00:46:32.660 maybe even higher than during the George Floyd riot.

00:46:35.940 So people are just fed up.

00:46:37.000 But there's been instances of this exact thing. 0.99

00:46:39.640 I remember I saw that case of the white guy who was anti-fuck, of course. 0.99

00:46:44.580 He was a progressive. 0.99

00:46:45.280 He was in the middle of the street.

00:46:47.500 And a black guy walked by, and I think maybe words were exchanged, 0.79

00:46:51.900 and then he just got stabbed in the neck.

00:46:54.080 Dozens of friends and family of 32-year-old Ryan Thoris and Carson

00:46:58.000 gathered Monday night at this Bedford-Stuyvesant park to remember his life.

00:47:02.660 police say about a mile away just before 4 a.m the longtime government advocate was stabbed at

00:47:08.100 lafayette avenue and malcolm x boulevard sources say he was standing on the street with his

00:47:13.060 girlfriend when the suspect approached and asked what are you looking at before stabbing carson

00:47:18.260 multiple times in the chest there's so many cases of because you can't enter into their frame which

00:47:26.100 is that well what did you say to him you know what did you say like what did you do to provoke that

00:47:32.020 black man as if that would justify it you know i got into something of an argument recently

00:47:39.300 with a member of another community that i'm in full of good writers and respectful people

00:47:45.540 and they're all right aligned of course and they had said that you know i grew up in a major

00:47:53.780 metropolitan area and i've had black co-workers black friends you know i've been had black bosses 0.77

00:48:00.660 even and i think that the majority of black people don't care about any of this you know any of this

00:48:07.940 discourse they don't side with these individuals and uh if anything the people to blame are 0.96

00:48:15.940 can you guess who white liberals it is the white liberals oh come on and the democrats who are 0.86

00:48:24.700 whipping up this interracial animosity and pitting us against each other and the black people the 0.89

00:48:32.320 real black people the successful ones want nothing to do with it that's what they're telling me

00:48:36.400 isn't it bizarre that that you know the evil jew never attacks right-wing jews and that the the 0.99

00:48:45.320 these awful horrible left-wing blacks never seem to like find time to shoot right-wing blacks you 0.99

00:48:52.440 what i mean it just it's all like they're the only there's absolutely no political division 1.00

00:48:58.440 they are a racial block and i can't abide by this bullshit like oh well we're still technically the 0.93

00:49:04.520 majority so it's the left-wingers in our own racial ranks that are you know who's to blame 1.00

00:49:10.320 for blacks it's whites you know it's the white liberals and i just snapped lose it

00:49:18.400 flurry to the solar plexus and uh but uh at this stage in the game in 2025 how can a person believe 0.98

00:49:28.160 this and i recalled remember jesse smollett remember him the the the gay man the asiatic 0.99

00:49:36.720 mulatto the ugly mulatto faggot yeah who faked a hate crime and dave chappelle had a bit in one 0.99

00:49:43.680 the specials saying that you'll notice how black people were very silenced when that happened that's 1.00

00:49:51.040 a great dave chappelle because we knew we knew that nigga was definitely lying i can see his face 0.97

00:49:59.840 nice and i said nope nope that's not what happened what happens with black guys black men especially 0.95

00:50:06.960 but black people generally is their silence is compliance up until the last minute when there's 0.97

00:50:14.160 irrefutable proof that they were in the wrong right then they'll say oh we knew the whole time 1.00

00:50:19.280 which is only because blacks are cowards and animals so they will flee when they realize 1.00

00:50:23.840 they're outnumbered yeah and i pay very close attention even now in this case look at the black 1.00

00:50:28.080 intelligentsia look at the black media class go into black spaces you can find them they're on x

00:50:33.040 I know most people listening don't you can find what they feel about this I saw a streamer just

00:50:38.840 the other day and he's kind of joking about but he said I talk to black people every day

00:50:42.640 and we do not care ha ha ha ha ha and behalf of 99.9 percent of black people I'm here to talk to 0.84

00:50:50.320 the the white ignants out there and let y'all know we are deeply uncaring that is correct 0.95

00:50:59.840 We don't care, bro.

00:51:01.300 I'm sorry.

00:51:02.040 We don't give not an ounce of caring about what happened to this girl on the train.

00:51:07.340 Because they say the same thing every time.

00:51:09.660 Within that same chat, I'm bouncing all over the place, but in that same chat, another guy who I like and respect, he said, man, it felt like 25 years ago we were getting close to racial harmony or something along those lines.

00:51:23.360 And I said, well, let's back up.

00:51:26.240 This is probably a young guy, right?

00:51:27.480 He doesn't remember.

00:51:28.160 and i'm like i was mentioning the la riots i was mentioning the oj verdict right where oj simpson

00:51:36.160 the accepted narrative now is that oj simpson was so celebrated within the black community for

00:51:42.760 getting off because they saw it as white versus black and finally the black community got one

00:51:49.700 they got a fat juicy w obviously did it you know he obviously did they didn't care they didn't care 0.69

00:51:55.540 whether or not he did it they just know that the black guy got away with it and they're happy about

00:51:59.640 that and of course the guy had said that well that was 35 years ago and so what are the odds that

00:52:05.300 black white relations have been bad forever then they got good for five years and then got bad

00:52:12.220 again or maybe it was bad the entire time and the only thing that changed was white tolerance of 0.93

00:52:18.500 nigger behavior which is what's happened they really haven't changed anything they're behaving 0.95

00:52:23.080 the exact same way they have every other case so they don't care they think it's funny they think 0.92

00:52:29.880 she deserved it they think it doesn't matter they'll think all of these interchangeably at

00:52:34.880 any given moment because it doesn't mean anything to them they you know even colin flaherty who wrote

00:52:41.000 that great book white girl bleed a lot like there's a long history of stuff like this happening

00:52:47.760 and you know people say what makes this one special i'm like it's the time and place that's

00:52:53.160 all it is it's of the moment and i think the onus is on us to try and amplify this as much as we can

00:53:00.620 because you know something needs to happen people are responding to this again mainstream center

00:53:08.300 right voices are saying like you know we need segregation things things that were on the nice

00:53:15.500 end of what we might say you know we we have different acronyms for what we want but uh i

00:53:22.060 like this video as i was saying before because it forces you to confront the actual problem and

00:53:27.660 there's no other familiar argument that will work for example one that i was seeing was that if only

00:53:35.260 she had a gun this is the second amendment guys right like if only she could defend herself and

00:53:41.820 And I said, if you look at the tape, what do you see? 0.99

00:53:44.920 If she had three fucking Glocks on her, it wouldn't have been any different. 0.99

00:53:50.000 Hell, if it was a man holding a shotgun, it wouldn't have been every different. 1.00

00:53:54.180 They were attacked with a knife from behind at close range.

00:53:58.360 Maybe afterwards you can get a couple of shots off in revenge in a crowded bus,

00:54:03.260 which a lot of these open carry guys wouldn't do. 1.00

00:54:05.700 You've got an AR-15 on your fucking lap. 0.99

00:54:08.080 You're not going to just spray and pray there. 1.00

00:54:09.920 so no matter what you're stabbed

00:54:12.120 no matter what you're stabbed several times in the 1.00

00:54:14.160 fucking neck there's really no 1.00

00:54:16.120 way to arm yourself 1.00

00:54:18.260 against that the only way

00:54:20.140 to do it would be to

00:54:21.400 be someone like us

00:54:23.640 where you only get in a situation

00:54:25.900 if you are open carrying an AR-15

00:54:27.960 you sit behind the black 0.97

00:54:30.320 guy don't get in front of him 0.99

00:54:32.120 and keep it trained on him

00:54:34.300 the entire time just have it pointed

00:54:36.380 at him from the back

00:54:38.360 corner of the bus

00:54:39.080 as you enter you place a like a remote mine on every single put a trip wire you hold the

00:54:48.280 detonator in the air as you're sitting you put a grenade in every old person's hand and you pull 0.98

00:54:53.440 the pin and get hold on tight you're in the back posted up fucking this is the this is the bottom 0.98

00:55:01.120 of the second amendment argument right this is the bottom that's where i live this is where i 0.98

00:55:05.940 live at the fucking bottom of the second amendment but that's the only way otherwise like so arming 0.75

00:55:12.260 her is not an easy solution put that to the side and and we are gun ownership advocates you and me 0.96

00:55:20.220 both yeah we love going because we advocate people for but that's not the solution to this problem 0.97

00:55:26.200 there's one solution and that's you cannot put white people around niggers that's it and i think

00:55:35.520 there's a few more than a few people who are cluing into that right now like that that guy 0.96

00:55:40.460 for example had been released on bail repeatedly had been in prison and then released early because 0.98

00:55:45.380 of some fucking ngo this specific murder right that guy probably should have been executed 0.99

00:55:51.160 15 crimes ago executed firing squad right why because he's a violent criminal with the iq of 1.00

00:55:59.740 a cantaloupe why is he like he's not a citizen he's a wild animal we have the pound to take care 0.99

00:56:05.840 of rabid dogs that kill children we should have a pound that takes care of niggers with the iq of a 1.00

00:56:11.800 fucking vegetable and also what they want to blame is the democrats what they want to blame is the 1.00

00:56:17.640 soft on crime politicians i say just break down every element of this story who let him off it 1.00

00:56:25.180 was the black NGO run by black people using black arguments. It was the black judge using black 0.98

00:56:32.560 arguments to get him sent to her fucking scam of a mental health wellness center. It was some kind 1.00

00:56:40.640 of grift she was running where she's letting people off of serious crimes to shepherd them

00:56:46.400 into mental health facilities that she owned, that she owned, that she was profiting from. Yeah.

00:56:50.040 Who is the judge who allowed Brown back on the streets?

00:56:54.220 People on X are doing a deep dive into her past, and this is what they found.

00:56:58.280 According to one user, magistrate judge Teresa Stokes is not even admitted to the state bar.

00:57:04.040 North Carolina is one of five states in the U.S. that allows non-lawyers to serve in that role.

00:57:09.360 Laura Loomer shared a TV interview of Stokes from 2021 that provided an insight into her background before serving as a judge.

00:57:17.280 Stokes and her wife Anya are originally from Michigan and opened a sober sports bar to give

00:57:22.740 recovering addicts a safe space to hang out in. That is now permanently closed. Stokes and her

00:57:27.820 wife also own Pinnacle Recovery Services, a non-profit housing program in Michigan.

00:57:33.260 Like this is, it's just like the Indian thing. I know some people want to blame white liberals for

00:57:40.460 it, but really at every level you're going to find an Indian. There's the Indian truckers who

00:57:45.340 getting into car racks the crashes that take out entire families or sports teams because of

00:57:51.000 negligence and because they don't possess the mental capacity to not look at their not be on 0.96

00:57:57.200 the phone with their auntie every minute of every fucking day when they're driving and then there's 0.98

00:58:02.520 the indian run business the indian run driving school that's also scamming and then there's the 0.95

00:58:08.340 indian bank that got the indians to come to india then there's the india it's it's actually indians 0.94

00:58:12.720 all the fucking way down at some point you just gotta dislike indians for setting up this network 1.00

00:58:18.620 of indians to fuck you similarly you need to look you there's jews yes let's blame jews i get it i 1.00

00:58:25.980 get it i get it but also there's a network of fucking nigger manipulation that exists to rape 1.00

00:58:34.140 you with knives and that needs to be addressed as well you can also you can address multiple 1.00

00:58:39.740 of things at once guys i can i can do like the israel thing over here we have the black thing

00:58:45.080 over here then we got the indian thing over here just as an example did you hear about this thing

00:58:49.760 with lisa cook the black female fed governor who was getting kicked out for like repeated mortgage

00:58:55.140 fraud so she was supposed to be this was this all happened in today as well she was the according 1.00

00:59:01.240 like the way the law is supposed to work trump should be able to remove her if she's a fucking 0.97

00:59:06.880 criminal or under investigation so he goes to remove her and she gets blocked like the removal 0.97

00:59:12.880 gets blocked by i think not a supreme court judge but like one of the circuit judges but the judge

00:59:18.120 that blocks it was not only another black woman but it was a black woman who cook went to college 0.99

00:59:23.360 with it's literally her friend from fucking college blocks it so she's still a fed governor 0.99

00:59:28.620 until further notice like what is it how fucking obvious can it be that this has nothing to do with 0.97

00:59:35.380 the rules or with politics they are operating as an ethnic block yeah and look you can to me

00:59:43.060 my array of concerns does not take the shape of a pyramid you know i've got concerns with this

00:59:50.060 group over there we really do have multiple enemies you can look at it as just a landscape

00:59:55.180 with interconnecting circles like a graph or something so yes the jews are on there but i

01:00:03.840 don't actually see them as the tip of the pyramid i think that's a reductive way of looking at it

01:00:07.720 and that's what was brought to my attention people like well you know if you're not centering jews

01:00:14.320 in every conversation i'm like i'm not do you know me do you listen to the show but look some

01:00:23.660 of this stuff is emergent in other ways like we got a problem with drugs being shipped in from

01:00:29.240 china you know that that is specifically a problem with the chinese government through the west coast

01:00:35.180 of canada through i mean look under under carney jews aren't even like the fifth on our list of

01:00:40.240 problems we have and you know like i think the chinese are probably near the top with the kind 0.97

01:00:45.400 of shit that's going on there so so did you know that one of the crime bosses has a jewish friend 0.99

01:00:50.320 i'm like you know what like okay we can do fucking six degrees of kevin bacon on this whole thing if 1.00

01:00:54.900 you want but there's some issues where jews are not at the top of the fucking pyramid yeah yeah 0.96

01:01:01.180 and i'm so and maybe maybe we lose half our listeners for saying that and that's not to say 0.98

01:01:05.460 well no look if you think that that that fentanyl as a weapon of fifth generational warfare is 0.99

01:01:11.080 fucking israel then stop listening because you're an idiot it's obviously china attacking the west 1.00

01:01:17.360 like we when we've been talking about this for years and it's not us we're getting this from 1.00

01:01:21.380 very you know well-researched people and books so it isn't the jews are an enemy but this

01:01:30.800 it's they're not everywhere so and that's why i'm looking at this and just what do we do about the

01:01:37.920 black judges the black female judges something there's no precedent for this and everyone knows

01:01:45.140 that there's lower court lower circuit court female judges who are just letting people off 0.93

01:01:49.960 they have total discretion and they're shielded by the law people were experimenting with ideas

01:01:56.140 where if for example this woman let off a man you know several times then went to commit this

01:02:03.820 heinous murder she should be on trial should judges be on trial for exercising leniency

01:02:09.700 towards individuals who then go out and recommit you know that's a hypothesis i'm open to that

01:02:16.360 it's got to be something

01:02:18.600 I think that's where everyone's at right now

01:02:21.580 they don't know what it is

01:02:22.620 something needs to be done 1.00

01:02:24.060 about these fat black lady judges 1.00

01:02:26.660 that are letting 1.00

01:02:28.420 these are your daughters

01:02:30.520 these are your friends

01:02:33.260 your family, these women

01:02:34.540 getting targeted

01:02:36.440 in a predatory fashion

01:02:38.620 because that's what that was

01:02:40.540 he did it because he thought it was funny

01:02:42.660 I don't care about

01:02:44.880 rap music i don't care about he was adhering to the democratic ideology you know what it's just 0.99

01:02:53.380 anti-whiteness yeah that's all it fucking is yeah at ground level if you're a white person 0.99

01:02:59.080 living in a community living in a county say where the judge in your county is a black woman 1.00

01:03:04.900 it doesn't matter whether she's a democrat or republican it doesn't fucking matter 1.00

01:03:09.440 you are in danger somebody is going to kill or rape your daughter and the reason that it happens 0.99

01:03:16.200 is because that person was led off by your judge and she didn't do it because she's a liberal or 0.97

01:03:22.900 a conservative she did it because she's black and secondly because she's a woman so also let me

01:03:29.280 address another thing i completely forgot about this that a couple days ago there was an image

01:03:34.000 circulating that purported to be this victim in her room uh and then there was a black lives matter

01:03:42.780 poster on the wall yes and there's a couple ways to look at that first of all there was never any

01:03:50.400 evidence that it was her there's no proof that it was her i'm not saying it was ai but her face

01:03:55.220 is obscured in it it could have easily been a i could have also been a real photo that that

01:03:59.840 the poster was added it also doesn't even look that much like her we don't even know if the 0.81

01:04:04.320 photo is of her as you said yeah it could have been some bitch with similar hair right um and 0.98

01:04:13.020 then furthermore if she did have that on her wall does she deserve to die because of that and as i 0.99

01:04:20.020 said many times before in the show this is how deep my misogyny runs i said i don't cigarette 0.97

01:04:26.560 yeah i said a woman with political power is like a dog with a cigarette it can be amusing for a

01:04:32.960 moment but there is someone responsible for this miscarriage of justice uh it's a funny

01:04:39.060 you don't kick the dog it's bad it's bad for the dog it's it's me it doesn't know how bad this is 0.99

01:04:44.880 for it so who am i shoving my foot into the ass up uh with her you know they i don't believe that 0.99

01:04:54.420 they really believe these things if indeed it was true they'll put a black lives matter placard up 0.99

01:05:00.560 next to a my chemical romance poster and a pile of tamagotchis and then a bunch of chip bags they 0.98

01:05:07.780 live like slobs these women are disgusting you see but like i don't they don't believe things 0.53

01:05:14.060 in the same way that men believe they're very consensus driven i'm giving you a bunch of old 0.98

01:05:18.520 red pill stuff here but it's because i believe it to be true so if they were true i wouldn't really

01:05:24.100 hold that against her i think she's being silly and we're trying to fit in but there's no evidence

01:05:30.500 that it even was her the point i'm trying to make is look how many people in our spaces in our

01:05:37.620 circles jumped on that they were salivating at the prospect that this woman deserved it

01:05:44.740 aha they said a liberal white woman you get what you vote for she got what she voted for it is what

01:05:52.340 they said uh first of all she came here in 2022 i believe so who's to say she voted for anyone

01:06:00.180 ever right but her sin was being a white woman and there's so many people in our spaces that 0.87

01:06:07.300 would love to see white women brutalized that just is what it is and that's a problem there's 0.96

01:06:12.500 no way the knew that she wasn't an american woman he absolutely killed her because he thought she 0.99

01:06:18.900 was a white American. He saw a white woman. He saw a blonde 0.97

01:06:21.040 white woman. At least she was blonde.

01:06:22.760 That's what he saw. They're trying to make it

01:06:25.000 sound like he's insane. He's not insane.

01:06:26.720 He was caught on videos saying, I got that white girl.

01:06:29.960 It was targeted,

01:06:30.860 racially motivated. That's where they're seeking

01:06:32.680 the death penalty. But I think they're

01:06:34.720 trying to say, oh, he's having a mental health crisis.

01:06:38.320 Yeah, the 1.00

01:06:38.660 mental health crisis is called being born black. 1.00

01:06:41.580 Yeah, a mental health crisis. 0.99

01:06:42.640 Hey, guys, was Brendan Tarrant

01:06:44.560 having a mental health crisis?

01:06:46.920 Here he is talking to his sister.

01:06:48.580 Here is the shocking audio.

01:06:50.000 So you said something in your body did what?

01:06:53.940 Nah, the material, put it like that,

01:06:57.800 the material used my body to stab me.

01:07:00.200 And so she just got stabbed?

01:07:03.360 Yeah.

01:07:04.380 You know that's not me.

01:07:06.160 I'm talking about this for no reason.

01:07:08.260 But since they did that, since they did that,

01:07:10.680 now they got to investigate the material in my body.

01:07:12.780 Tell them the drugs they put on.

01:07:13.900 Now they got to investigate.

01:07:14.740 it seems that no white massacrist gets that they don't get the oh he's just he was having a bad

01:07:23.620 day he snapped because they never explain what the mental health crisis ever is yeah is it

01:07:28.820 schizophrenic you hit on it right there is like he was he was under stress ptsd because he was

01:07:34.020 having a real bad week it because of the legacy of slavery is there it is there it is i've done

01:07:41.540 this before it was one of my favorite things to do years ago probably mentioned this before but

01:07:46.120 louis ck had a great bit i think he said it on opie and anthony and he said he's in favor of

01:07:52.680 reparations uh on one condition that you don't get to say that you're slaves anymore like if we pay

01:08:00.780 you up then you're just we're even you're technically you're just employees a service

01:08:07.240 was rendered for fair point that has to be it and i would ask black people that i was like give me

01:08:12.280 a number what's what's five billion dollars per black person who can prove a legacy of slavery

01:08:19.160 sure give me that number on the one condition that you you don't get to say there's a legacy

01:08:23.560 of slavery anymore you're going to say you're slaves would you make that deal they would all

01:08:27.400 say no because we're not paying you the the legacy of slavery is so essential to their existence

01:08:35.560 they cannot part with it they don't know who they are without that there's no way you can buy your

01:08:41.320 way to racial harmony and in this instance the reason i say that is because they're always going

01:08:47.280 to use that as an excuse to kill you and to be and to be animals and to be less right because

01:08:52.800 even the killing isn't even the killing is the biggest issue front of mind right now

01:08:57.420 but on every other metric they don't fit into our civilization they don't belong here they can't

01:09:03.600 work here they can't you know they don't abide by the same cultural mores just generally so and

01:09:08.660 they can use the the you know the the history of slavery as an excuse to explain why they don't

01:09:15.540 meet literally any of our standards so yeah they'll never give it up it doesn't matter what

01:09:20.020 you pay them they'll never give it up because they can't they can't they literally are not

01:09:24.260 capable of meeting our standards exactly and so i always remind people there is no

01:09:29.120 economic solution to this they're always going to see you as the enemy their their mental illness

01:09:35.260 as they describe it is never going to go away and i would argue that most black academics the vast

01:09:43.100 majority of black academics and intellectuals exist to reinforce that sentiment yeah and they

01:09:49.420 have been doing that for generations so there is no way to unwork this self-diagnosis from society

01:09:58.440 so where do you go from there segregation sounds nice that sounds quaint there's a lot of quaint

01:10:06.400 solutions that i'm happy people are talking about now i don't think they go far enough

01:10:11.640 you know in a sense you have to consider that all the talk of civil war might anesthetize people

01:10:19.320 to an actual civil war like what we were just talking about some people think civil war is

01:10:24.380 inevitable or the collapse of the American empire is inevitable. I'm not sure about that. It's not

01:10:29.700 obvious to me that that's going to happen within our lifetimes or at all. It depends on a lot of

01:10:36.800 things. But people spend so long. I'm just looking at Edward Dutton released a video on the Charlie

01:10:45.360 Kirk assassination saying, you know, civil war is happening. Everyone's talking about civil war.

01:10:50.540 the charlie kirk thing is going to cause a civil war you hear about civil war every single year

01:10:55.420 in the uk i don't think civil war is never going to happen but like you had said when it arrives

01:11:01.760 you almost won't see it coming and if we really believe that i believe that to be true i think

01:11:06.660 even they might believe that but to be true but then why are we talking about it like it's even

01:11:11.680 if the people want to agitate for a sectarian conflict within europe or elsewhere you almost

01:11:19.320 shouldn't talk about stop trying to shot call it from the sidelines there's things you could

01:11:23.540 actually do to accelerate that unless you're trying to get people tired of it and make it

01:11:29.760 seem corny you know i mean like tim pool talking about it makes it less likely to happen in my

01:11:36.260 opinion like it just sounds like a silly thing now but um there are ways where like we can wake

01:11:42.980 up one day and this is happening but it almost it needs to catch people by surprise it can't

01:11:49.140 just always be this countdown so this is it that explains the exhaustion people have with the it's

01:11:56.480 happening nothing ever happened cycle you go through that cycle enough and you just don't

01:12:01.780 have the energy for anything anymore so by the time maybe a civil war does kick off you're so

01:12:08.300 contrary and cynical like you're not you don't even have the capacity to show up so anyway what

01:12:15.680 do you think about that we think about the civil war discourse being maybe not an op but something

01:12:21.940 to dissuade people from a civil war eventually yeah yeah no i i think that's i think that's

01:12:27.460 probably true and it kind of i don't know it bleeds into the everything else that's going on

01:12:33.900 where people are how do you how do you describe that it's like um there's all these these pressure

01:12:40.480 valves right like we get to we get to go online and we get to yell about stuff and we kind of

01:12:45.140 blow our load you know politically or ethnically or whatever else and then when things actually

01:12:51.260 get that bad in reality at your front doorstep maybe it doesn't feel that bad because you've

01:12:57.260 already been you know you've been living it vicariously through telegram or through msnbc

01:13:03.440 for however many years so and i said this before i forget and what story had broke but it was

01:13:11.800 another white woman that had been murdered brutalized by someone it could have been a

01:13:18.100 Muslim or a black and I said if if things were to kick off tomorrow I would feel extreme guilt 0.98

01:13:25.080 that it took this many white women to die or to be raped you know I mean even with the grooming 0.99

01:13:32.420 gangs in the UK it looks like things might kick off in the UK I don't know if they will or not 0.95

01:13:38.000 but let's say they did how many people had to be raped before it got to that point i feel

01:13:44.040 personally responsible of course no one should feel directly responsible but in a way i do just

01:13:50.720 as a man like how bad does it need to get before people start doing things that actually matter 0.90

01:13:58.960 like i was saying like we we're people don't we talk a lot of shit but we are in credit we're 0.96

01:14:04.140 probably the most civil we are the most civilized people in human history right we're very domestic 0.94

01:14:09.400 at this stage and as much as we might understand in a cognitive way what needs to happen it's hard

01:14:17.580 to get there you know viscerally to actually do it yeah you think it can get there though right

01:14:25.680 you think so absolutely it's an it's absolutely inevitable and the reason i think it's inevitable

01:14:31.960 I think it's a positive feedback loop or like a standing wave where the less we fight back, the less we fight back, the more they do it.

01:14:41.100 Like the level of violence and assassinations and assassinated attempts just in the past two years is exponentially increasing and it will continue and it'll keep increasing.

01:14:50.960 And we're not going to fight back. We're not going to fight back until what appears to be the very last moment.

01:14:55.380 And at the very last moment, we will either go extinct or we will wipe them from the face of the earth forever.

01:15:02.720 And that's the historical precedent.

01:15:04.700 And to me, what will bring people to that place isn't necessarily the violence, the terrorism, one might call it.

01:15:13.440 It's the humiliation.

01:15:15.140 I think that strikes a deep record.

01:15:17.640 It's not just that this innocent woman was slaughtered in public in a brazen attack. 0.82

01:15:24.760 it's when you look online and you see black people laughing when you see them not caring 0.97

01:15:30.000 that kills something in you that that chills your blood when you see charlie kirk shot in the neck 0.98

01:15:38.260 and it's it's not glorious it's not a glorious death and then they're laughing at that they're

01:15:43.140 cheering that on that set that steals your soul a little bit and it it's also when you're dealing

01:15:51.340 with civilized people like us that you you know we're all like i said earlier we're all doing this

01:15:57.720 calculus of like why why would i actually act out in that way why would i become violent and guys

01:16:03.780 like you and i people with families people with a future we're more likely to look at a bunch of

01:16:08.340 different options and say i could be violent but there's other ways that i can deal with this i'm

01:16:12.220 going to form a group and i'm going to go in the woods and i'm going to you know do whatever else

01:16:16.440 i'm going to hide but um increasingly if you know if you look at the statistics that we talk about

01:16:23.640 all the time like how many guys are actually even getting married like we may be you and i are from

01:16:28.980 a generation where very few people have families and we're all having families in our 30s the next

01:16:33.760 generation they're not going to have families at all and what's going to happen when zoomers are

01:16:38.840 all 32 and living under a bridge and have a gun that's that's where this goes because those guys 0.99

01:16:44.780 aren't doing the calculus of what will happen to my kids because they don't fucking have kids 0.98

01:16:48.220 and they see other people from other ethnic ethnic enclaves having kids and having families 0.99

01:16:54.620 these you know you literally have you know 10 million suicide bombers so that it can't get

01:17:01.020 past that point that point is a guaranteed return of violence yeah and this was part of the speech

01:17:06.900 that delivered at our last uh outdoor excursion where and this was not written in the speech at

01:17:13.820 all i went off script for it would felt like five or six minutes and he even engaged some of the

01:17:19.500 audience at the time it's on vanguard's journal if you want to go and read it it's called historical

01:17:25.100 sarcasm it'll be the most recent one but i said i'd gone off on a tangent about civil war and i

01:17:32.780 said you know show of hands everyone was gathered in this very large room everyone's at seats and

01:17:40.220 tables and whatnot is that show of hands how many people are excited for a civil war we're looking

01:17:45.880 forward to it and not a lot of people raised their hand i was expecting like all these hands to shoot

01:17:51.160 up and i was interested to see that it was only like six guys it was only after uh extra prompting

01:17:58.720 where i asked them and um and then i went into and i said okay look even if you believe it's

01:18:05.360 inevitable it's something that you shouldn't be excited about as reminded of brad pitt's character

01:18:11.840 in the big short at the end when they're celebrating for making all that money off 0.63

01:18:17.560 a short in the housing market and just don't fucking dance people lost their homes they lost 0.99

01:18:23.160 their jobs they lost their fucking families you know like let's remember what is this is and i've 0.99

01:18:29.780 said this on the show before but i said there is no limit to the indignities you will see visited 0.99

01:18:35.840 upon the average man you hear stories coming out of you know eastern europe and the fall of the

01:18:41.680 soviet union where there's actual sectarian conflicts throughout europe you know any

01:18:46.360 revolution uh the fall you know the fall soviet even in the in russia or you know the collapse

01:18:54.440 and the third reich in germany but the rape of berlin like you these aren't just soldiers a lot

01:19:00.140 of the times it's malicious it's gangsters it's like do you know what it's like to see a mother 0.78

01:19:05.120 sell her daughter into prostitution do you know what it's like to starve do you know what it's

01:19:09.500 like to really starve no one does no no one in your life knows what it's like to really start

01:19:14.520 really starve yet and the things you'll do to get bread forget stealing you know if you can't go to

01:19:21.240 store like the things you'll do the savageries you will engage in to defend your family defend

01:19:28.600 your people wherever it might be i'm like it's not going to be glorious you want to know how i know

01:19:32.640 that uh every soldier i've ever talked to every soldier who served in afghanistan canadian or

01:19:39.120 german we've known a few we've had them on the show you know illegitimate scholar he was on the

01:19:43.900 show i believe he was a marine we had jeremy mckenzie on i think he had like three four tours

01:19:48.800 of Afghanistan you know every single veteran you talk to says the same thing they say this ain't it

01:19:55.460 it's not what you think the conflict you know the things you see you know you go to Afghanistan

01:20:02.860 you go to Iraq and you see mothers sending their children out in suicide bombs you think that can

01:20:09.260 never be me you sure you sure about that if you're defending your homeland if you're you know is there

01:20:16.760 a way we can get you to sending your child out with a suicide bomb if you're that desperate maybe

01:20:22.060 not you or me but someone you know start asking those questions if you believe civil war is 0.86

01:20:27.060 inevitable as we do but we're being realistic i'm not excited about it i think it's gonna happen

01:20:35.860 and it's gonna be really really fucking bad that's what we're preparing for it's not that we're 0.96

01:20:42.020 excited about the day of the rope it's not gonna be like your fucking books it's not gonna be like 0.99

01:20:48.540 the turner diaries it's not gonna be like this where you get to be the hero he fucking the hero 0.94

01:20:52.860 of the turner diaries dies at the end of it but like it's gonna be total degradation at a scale 0.68

01:21:00.540 that you you can't even fucking comprehend so prepare for that don't prepare for all the cool

01:21:07.060 stuff you and the boys are gonna do that's not real that's a fandom that's a race war fandom 0.97

01:21:13.220 what are you doing be serious yeah this is this is a serious conversation to have right now to 0.99

01:21:20.100 prepare for because if not you're going to get caught flat-footed you're going to get fucked up 0.99

01:21:23.800 you're going to get raped is that what you want you know so that that was just uh the tangent i 1.00

01:21:30.540 went on to kill the vibe of the room in that speech thank god there's no women there 0.99

01:21:35.780 but what do you think about that do you think that's accurate or no i totally agree the sentiment

01:21:42.700 should be prepare for the inevitable but don't don't celebrate it i mean even look even the

01:21:49.800 concept of acceleration is kind of like you're talking about the big short like you might you

01:21:56.200 might lean into it because in the short term it's the only way for you to survive but you shouldn't

01:22:03.420 be happy about this you need to know you're you're literally cutting off your nose despite

01:22:07.100 your face like there's it's i and i i don't think any of us with the exception of vets

01:22:13.680 are capable of even understanding that and that's probably why it's inevitable right like you have

01:22:20.500 these the talk to the secular cycles where you know when most of the grandchildren are old enough

01:22:27.120 to have never experienced a war then the war becomes inevitable again because not you know

01:22:32.320 things are collapsing and none of us have what we want and we're willing to fight for it never

01:22:37.560 having fought before so here we fucking go but no i i mean i i agree with you you should we need to

01:22:43.940 prepare for it because it's probably inevitable we should not be excited about it yeah and prepare 0.72

01:22:48.840 for and also hope that we're not wrong about the zoom resolution alpha you know if they're living

01:22:54.640 under a bridge maybe they don't have a gun maybe they're just so beat down that they remain beat

01:23:01.300 down forever you see that all the time you see that in underclasses throughout south america

01:23:07.320 this is this is what i mean by leaning into it as a short-term strategy like i i can't see it like

01:23:13.100 let's say gen z is so beat down that even if they're under a bridge and they have no family

01:23:17.520 and the bloodline ends with them that they all just roll over it's the end that's extinction

01:23:23.540 that's actually the end of it so from my perspective and i'm saying this rationally

01:23:28.660 realizing that i don't have ways to describe the horror of the reality of it but i do think that

01:23:34.960 a miserable bloody 30-year war that kills half the population would be preferable preferable

01:23:41.460 to my family dying to the extinction of my entire people in my nation so and i'm saying that right

01:23:48.600 now as a just a rational statement and i will absolutely regret that statement six months in

01:23:53.860 but i'm still fucking saying it right i know that doesn't maybe that doesn't check but like

01:23:58.720 you see what i'm saying and i and i think that's where everybody is at right now like i hope i hope 0.98

01:24:04.600 that we fight tooth and nail because it's better to die standing up than laying down and you're

01:24:10.040 coming at this after a long period of thoughtful reflection you're not a guy who's flying off

01:24:16.020 and you just saw something you didn't like and you're ranting a bit no that was a statement

01:24:20.740 made by someone who's considered every angle who's probably thought about this for years and

01:24:26.640 you came to a sober-minded conclusion well you know what i want like the the north star for me

01:24:31.940 the ideal situation would be if we had a city or a small city state or a nation yes small city state

01:24:39.720 with high walls and good security and anti-aircraft guns and then we just closed the doors and we left

01:24:47.020 everybody alone and we just fucking ignore the rest of the world i would love that that's actually

01:24:51.700 to me that would be an ideal situation as the rest of the world collapses into the problems that they

01:24:57.240 created for themselves i just don't think that's going to happen because we're like

01:25:01.180 within the although we're in we're in the wealthiest cohort we're the we're the poorest 0.97

01:25:06.500 sample of the wealthiest cohort so we're we are fucked like we are going to be dragged down by 0.95

01:25:11.060 whatever this is but i don't desire to be in the mire with these people i i'm i would love to 0.93

01:25:18.140 insulate as large a group of us as possible from it i just don't know what's whether that's

01:25:24.620 possible and plan b is go down guns blazing lord if i am to die do not allow me to die

01:25:31.220 encircled by indian-owned subway sandwich restaurants like at this point i'm like just

01:25:38.720 let me let me die in a walled city with the boys yeah i always say like i've got a sequence a chain

01:25:45.920 of my ideal political outcomes one is you know fascist monarchist that'd be the best that's 0.89

01:25:53.240 impossible you're not going to find some philosopher king uh secondly let me just uh be an

01:25:58.900 ancapistan if i can't have the perfect mark let me have nukes and slaves yep if i can't have that

01:26:06.700 then we're not having a conversation but then the third thing would be the walled city where we can 0.99

01:26:12.620 all be you know surfer aristocrats whatever fucking dumb shit we come up with right and then 0.98

01:26:19.240 there's no fourth thing i'm like i'm being i think those are three reasonable options you should be 0.99

01:26:23.860 able to give me one yeah if you got none of them like then we're at street fights but street fights

01:26:29.820 is better than death of despair yeah at least the street fight we can get you know you ever

01:26:36.520 you ever see the warriors we can do that the point the thing the thing we're talking around

01:26:43.340 and not bringing up is in the i think bless our lovely boomers but they don't understand this

01:26:49.240 there is no part of this plan or of this future for any of us even in our generation

01:26:54.500 where we just retire and we go to an old age home and we're never retiring we die of pancreatic

01:27:02.120 cancer at 89 surrounded by our grandchildren no no we are both going to be dead in the next 25 years

01:27:09.720 of cholera or gunshot wounds and that's not because we're radicals that's because everybody 0.98

01:27:16.020 in this fucking country has now a lifespan of 62 they just don't know it yet 0.99

01:27:22.240 but that's that's that's a cold ass line i like that one 0.99

01:27:27.560 everyone's got a lifespan of 62 they just don't know it yet

01:27:32.200 this is your point that i don't plan to retire and i hope maybe in the back of my mind there

01:27:39.160 was some faded memory of myself once believing that i could but you know we don't you know we

01:27:47.140 have rsps and stuff but there's no like a pen the pension plan is gonna it gives you nothing and

01:27:53.480 it's going to be nothing by the time we're that old but i i don't have retirement on my horizon

01:27:58.680 you know when even when i was saying before every like six months i reconsider getting into trades

01:28:07.480 i'm like i should be an electrician it's two years of school like four years of apprenticeship

01:28:13.480 um it's hard to become like a good electrician once you do you can start your own business get

01:28:18.920 a guy under you or whatever um and then then you're just running a business and it's whatever 0.96

01:28:23.860 you want but i thought well you know fuck i'm gonna be in my 40s by the time that happens but 0.98

01:28:30.020 that's what i do i just plug it plug along until my 40s and i do that until i die and i told my 0.98

01:28:38.220 wife that she's like oh no i mean you're gonna retire you know i'm like no but if i'm like

01:28:43.100 retiring maybe this is a trade i can do when i'm 70 there's a lot of trades you can't do like what 0.99

01:28:49.900 am i gonna do get into a being a roofer at this age i'm gonna get into a fucking driveway you

01:28:57.040 know i'm gonna know i'm like electrician makes sense to me welding i don't think so but hey 0.98

01:29:02.900 that works for me that's a good job i can die at and then my wife you know bless her heart she

01:29:09.100 doesn't know how cold it's gonna get for all of us you know but that's why that's why i wanted to

01:29:15.600 have the house or have something that seems somewhat stable because like i don't i don't

01:29:21.120 know what the next two years look like we got charlie kirks being shot in the neck yeah yeah

01:29:26.160 like i mean that was my feeling even like i felt that way before he was shot i felt that way for

01:29:31.160 the past two or three months and now between that and like look it's we're an hour and a half in

01:29:36.800 and we haven't talked about

01:29:38.520 Poland, we haven't talked about

01:29:40.880 Nepal, we haven't talked about

01:29:42.780 we've talked about a little bit of Irene, but like

01:29:44.400 there's a lot, there's a lot going on

01:29:47.040 just to say 0.99

01:29:48.420 what the fuck is the next two years 0.99

01:29:50.740 going to look like? It really is 0.99

01:29:52.700 accelerating this week

01:29:53.960 So for the folks at home, what

01:29:56.680 is Nepal? Who

01:29:58.640 is Nepal?

01:30:00.020 Did I tell you that I met

01:30:02.720 a Nepal, I hung out with a Nepal

01:30:04.840 prince, I hired him actually, he worked for me for a while

01:30:06.700 as a graphic designer nepal sounds like you found a black guy named paul and you had to correct

01:30:12.500 yourself minute through hey what's up nepal i could point i could you get nothing if i close

01:30:19.640 one eye i can point to it on a map it's like near tibet it's between china and india they're kind of

01:30:24.520 like chinese indians and they're extremely poor they're remarkably poor but their country is

01:30:29.760 beautiful there are thousands of feet above sea level and they have like really nice temples and 0.99

01:30:34.140 whatever else but they're stupid poor the guy that i was working with was literally like the 0.98

01:30:39.660 like the fifth son of the royal family which means he had the money to buy a plane ticket 0.99

01:30:45.600 to come to hong kong and go to like a community college for graphic design that's the level of

01:30:51.020 poverty in nepal he's like the only he's joking about it he's like one of like 50 people in nepal

01:30:56.420 with university education so and he picked graphic design yes yes and then after he left i went and

01:31:02.740 met him one time at a he was at a conference and he was doing some really like really hacky like

01:31:07.560 web design for some small chinese company i'm like this is it's so funny being a member of

01:31:13.160 the royal family having graphic designer problems i know look i he's great i actually love the guy

01:31:18.380 but it's like revision 12 yeah look he wasn't in line to be king or anything but he was that was

01:31:25.620 just how he wound up so yeah it's it's poor over there and they had really the thing is i kind of

01:31:31.340 respected at the time and i don't know what's gone on recently but i remember talking to him

01:31:34.460 and i was kind of checking up on on the laws this was maybe 10 years ago they had just opened the

01:31:39.380 internet where they could even use the internet because prior to that they had really restrictive

01:31:43.820 religious-based laws where you weren't even allowed to have like like a wireless i'm gonna

01:31:50.020 say religious-based internet is just a woman showing her no no like they didn't even have

01:31:54.340 internet so they they they're very recently got like an open internet where they could go on the

01:31:59.600 web and type in a browser rather than just access a government site so um yeah i mean they're very

01:32:06.280 they're very backward and very poor and i'm not surprised at all seeing them speed running this

01:32:13.320 thing somebody had said that it was actually related to the internet the reason that they

01:32:17.780 were revolting that they tried to like repeal it or pull it back pull people's access back and

01:32:23.360 obviously they had a lot of money coming in as a result of that because suddenly people can smart

01:32:27.040 start small businesses and they can bring in tours and whatever else that you can't do without the

01:32:31.840 internet and if you're going to repeal that then you're destroying people so these are like you

01:32:37.760 know 12th century mountain savages they are just going to find an old fal and murder the president

01:32:43.800 which is what they've been doing this week so which is what everyone here wants to do if we're

01:32:49.420 being honest everyone has not nepalese enough that's the thing like you see this happen all

01:32:53.720 the time in these third world backwaters where it doesn't take a lot for people just to rise up and

01:33:00.280 like took away the facebook so we burnt we didn't just burn the governor's palace we burnt the

01:33:06.260 entire district we burnt we lit his wife on fire in the street fury first erupted after the

01:33:14.900 government banned 26 websites including facebook x and youtube riots persisted even after the ban

01:33:21.480 was lifted and the PM had resigned as revolutionary fever ran wild through the young demonstrators.

01:33:28.840 Gen Z protesters enraged by the repressive actions of the KP Sharmauli regime

01:33:34.360 set fire to government buildings, offices of major political parties

01:33:38.360 and the homes and offices of top political functionaries including several former prime

01:33:43.480 ministers on Tuesday. Several ministers and politicians were attacked and injured by

01:33:48.040 protesters who defied a curfew and roamed the streets of katmandu and some other cities in

01:33:54.120 nepal do you understand how much ideological groundwork had to be laid for the french revolution

01:34:01.560 and how difficult that was to do here it's just if you take away the gatorade for like a little

01:34:08.600 bit like they will rise up and there's guillotine heads yeah no but it's like it that's kind of an

01:34:14.280 important difference and i don't think that makes them superior many people on our side

01:34:18.660 fuck any political side wish that people would rise up liberals wish that this happened with trump 0.96

01:34:25.040 they wish that he was dragged out in guillotine in front of the white house i have to wonder if 0.99

01:34:29.620 the mistake wasn't repealing facebook or whatever i'm just using that as a meme i'm not sure that's

01:34:34.540 actually what happened but let's say it was repealing facebook that resulted in the riots

01:34:37.900 i'm not sure if repealing facebook was the big mistake i wonder if the big mistake was giving 0.87

01:34:44.000 them internet in the fucking first place 15 years ago that was probably the bigger mistake

01:34:49.520 because you're you can't close pandora's box right i mean i don't think anyone disagrees 0.99

01:34:55.960 with the statement that the internet was best with white guys on it yeah like weird white guy

01:35:02.500 like that's all it should have been yeah we wouldn't we wouldn't have this sectarian violence 0.60

01:35:08.680 we wouldn't have these revolts

01:35:10.740 the other day was dogs

01:35:12.680 dude occupied government

01:35:14.140 that's how I imagined it

01:35:16.420 it's just like yeah it's just

01:35:18.240 us running everything

01:35:20.740 oh yeah it was on

01:35:22.200 NP's channel

01:35:23.380 he had an excellent solution

01:35:26.200 reopening foundries but keeping

01:35:28.680 barcades in them

01:35:29.900 he said imagine playing Castlevania while

01:35:32.400 thousand gallon cauldron molten iron

01:35:34.700 spits sparks and chunks of slag

01:35:36.640 in the air it redeems the whole activity

01:35:38.520 i said that's a dude occupied government i got that dog in me

01:35:42.520 yeah like like i was i was on accident posted i found someone showed me an old newspaper clipping

01:35:51.060 and the headline from this newspaper was horse drinks beer is one of the boys

01:35:58.620 i mean wouldn't you love to live in a government where that was the news yeah yeah and it wasn't 0.99

01:36:04.980 like a fucking bloodshot welfare ape stabbing a fucking angelic refugee in the neck and a bunch 1.00

01:36:12.580 of fucking faggot communists are trying to figure out how to blame money you know i mean like wouldn't 1.00

01:36:18.140 that be great if that was the news of the day yeah man and it wasn't like you've got three 1.00

01:36:24.060 different people want to murder you and the news is they haven't decided on how they're going to do

01:36:28.440 it yet stay tuned you want to hear about a weird book yeah let's have it so this will be pretty

01:36:38.440 fast it wasn't a long book but i thought it was interesting once i had finished it because i

01:36:45.120 didn't know where it was going it's this book titled reality from metaphysics to metapolitics

01:36:52.960 by Wynand De Beere.

01:36:55.700 I believe that sounds like a South African name.

01:36:58.320 So right from the rip, you're excited.

01:37:01.100 That's a title and a half, isn't it?

01:37:02.900 From metaphysics to metapolitics.

01:37:05.680 That's right up my alley.

01:37:07.780 And reading it, it was very interesting.

01:37:12.220 It's not the longest book, but it opens in ancient Greece.

01:37:16.940 You know, I love stuff like that.

01:37:18.400 I'm like, here's an interesting idea,

01:37:20.020 but we got to go back to the start.

01:37:21.220 we got to go back to the foundations of western thought or even further because he starts by

01:37:27.980 explaining who the indo-europeans were i'm like okay here we go i don't know what this is and

01:37:36.180 just uh you know set it up there's a reason i'm discussing this right after our previous book

01:37:43.500 why the west can't win by fatty lama which was a multi-polarity book about how the west is doomed

01:37:51.020 and the sovereign nations of bricks or the future you know we don't need to get into all that right

01:37:56.740 now but by the end of this book he announces that multi-polarity is the only solution going forward

01:38:04.440 uh that that's the ideal solution for the world however he was mounting a completely different

01:38:10.580 case for it from the direction of philosophy and history and most importantly utilizing

01:38:20.440 ideas that are familiar to people in our spaces like it starts with the genetic history of

01:38:26.240 europeans and it starts with the things that evola and renee joinan would be talking about

01:38:32.680 about how they're sort of a common ancestor of europeans but also basically indians uh everyone

01:38:40.680 everyone in the eurasian continent except and no africans right they're just something else but it

01:38:47.720 was it started with the idea that you know the east and the west come from a shared ancestor

01:38:54.220 and a shared religion and but then diverge but they are you know estranged brothers so i'm like

01:39:02.700 well that's an interesting way to set this up but it is in the interest of establishing

01:39:07.880 multi-polarity as an ideal system and it also it was interesting how he's using metaphysics

01:39:15.300 because this is something i'd seen with alexander dugan who i'm no fan of but he uses the word

01:39:22.660 metaphysics a lot and i think they just use metaphysics as an alternative for philosophy

01:39:30.260 or they're trying but you it's just something i've noticed with this group their employment

01:39:35.620 of the word metaphysics to mean i don't know like some something better than what you think

01:39:42.740 it is like like what is meta politics there's no meta politics you know there might be like a

01:39:48.900 meta analysis of political studies or something but that that word doesn't really mean anything

01:39:54.340 what they need to be sort of like spooky esoteric politics or or the fusion of in my opinion poorly

01:40:04.020 understood philosophy with politics like trying to egg trying to create a new politics but that

01:40:11.860 just doesn't track for me it's more of like describing a dream you have like this is my goal

01:40:16.900 to create a new politics but you haven't done it yet because just like you're rebelling against

01:40:22.340 liberalism but even you haven't left the liberal framework have you you know um i see that dude and

01:40:27.620 i see it here too and i have no commentary on winan debere however i will say this was probably the

01:40:34.900 best example i've seen of someone trying to put forward the multi-polarity idea

01:40:40.900 and you know having me go along for it i disagree with it of course but i'm like 0.85

01:40:45.420 interesting however i'm not sure i i'm with fuck he cites um like he cites francis yaki a lot 0.55

01:40:56.660 like and i wasn't expecting so it's not like a leftist you know but to me anytime someone is 0.79

01:41:03.620 quoting yaki or his book imperium i'm like okay you know you need to be pretty far on our side

01:41:10.540 to even know what that is yeah for sure like that's not brought up in school that's not something you

01:41:16.700 were assigned so like okay this is like a a right-wing guy approaching multiplayer which

01:41:22.460 you've seen before i've seen some friends end up over there i didn't see any sort of leftist ideas

01:41:29.580 in this but would you be interested in hearing a bit from a few quotes that kind of back up what i

01:41:36.140 saying so he starts off saying from their ancestral homeland on the steppe the indo-europeans

01:41:44.540 ventured forth in successive waves first westwards into europe at around 3000 bc and then southwards

01:41:51.260 into the near east and indian subcontinent from around 2000 bc through these migrations new

01:41:56.860 cultures arose such as the corded ware uh culture of northern europe and the vedic culture in the

01:42:03.100 indian subcontinent the western branch of the indo-europeans developed into the germanic slavic

01:42:08.060 baltic celtic italic and hellenic peoples while the eastern branch unfolded in as the indo-eorans

01:42:14.380 of iran and india an offshoot of the western branch migrated south between the black sea and

01:42:19.900 the caspian sea eventually settling in asia minor or they became known as hittites that the european

01:42:26.060 languages only developed after the arrival of the indo-europeans is suggested by the fact that europe

01:42:31.500 is hydronomously uniform that's to say the names of water courses from the baltic to spain occur

01:42:38.380 in an identical form now i don't have the you know data to either prove or disprove that

01:42:45.340 but you know this is something you hear from a lot of the esotericists and a lot of the

01:42:51.100 these people who are into indo-european studies especially the pagans so it could be true could

01:42:55.180 not be true um i know that geopolitically i'm not very comfortable by saying that indians are

01:43:02.900 europeans so i you know what i mean like not yeah yeah like i get that they're not africans i like

01:43:09.900 i get where that's coming from but in that sense every group in the eurasian continent the well

01:43:16.800 where the chinese come from or the chinese yeah we're all arguably humans at some point right so

01:43:22.080 at what point does it even matter to trace

01:43:24.420 it back if we're talking about 10,000

01:43:26.160 years? Yeah, because basically

01:43:28.460 you're saying it's like everyone but Africans

01:43:30.540 are descendants of

01:43:32.120 Indo-Europeans, right?

01:43:34.680 Like if we accept that the

01:43:36.180 aboriginals in North America are Asian.

01:43:38.840 But do Africans and Indo-Europeans

01:43:40.420 not have a common ancestor?

01:43:42.460 Like yeah, of course.

01:43:44.960 I mean, unless you

01:43:46.400 don't believe in evolution, which is fair.

01:43:48.280 But if you do believe in evolution, then I guess we have

01:43:50.280 a common ancestor. I suspect this guy would say

01:43:52.060 that they're like africans wouldn't even be classified as human i think you can make that

01:43:59.660 argument but then you say you know if you accept that aboriginals are asiatic and can like every

01:44:04.300 every group outside of africans then would have the genetic lineage of these people you know i

01:44:10.540 mean like or you could make that argument but even then like i'm sorry but we talked about the hittites

01:44:15.500 though because like that's the hittites are much more european than the than the actual indians

01:44:21.020 they're like they're like a they're like three quarters closer to europe than than india that's

01:44:27.120 like turkey essentially yeah yeah so he doesn't get into where the chinese came from you know

01:44:32.520 i've heard that argument too that you know the europeans and asians have more in common you know

01:44:38.240 i mean like that's not necessarily this guy but i've heard that before so sorry it's it's literally

01:44:45.760 just not africans and he continues on he says the evidence shows that the sun together with the day

01:44:52.200 sky was the highest god of indo-european religion in its oldest form it has further been suggested

01:44:57.680 that at an early stage possibly before the migration of europe the western branch of the

01:45:02.520 indo-europeans became divided into northern and southern groups called the proto-nordics

01:45:07.540 and the proto-mediterraneans respectively the religious beliefs of both groups were apparently

01:45:12.820 based on the worship of a benign father god with whom it was possible to be reunited in the

01:45:18.620 afterlife this paternal god was evidently conceived in two different uh though related aspects while

01:45:26.280 the proto-mediterraneans worshipped a sun god whose symbol was the sun the proto-nordics worshipped a

01:45:31.420 sky god whose symbol was the thunderbolt so you know he's making a very interesting argument here

01:45:38.540 that even in pre-christian europe there was this sort of apprehending of an idea of the father

01:45:46.520 uh the creator of the universe and you know this is something we pointed out before about the

01:45:51.800 a break from cyclical time into linear time that if you look at the viking myth there does seem to

01:45:59.320 be an understanding of linear time and even when you talk of ragnarok uh like a finality to the

01:46:06.560 world or or like a an end point that's not just a rebirth it's not just it ends and begins and

01:46:13.560 ends and begins you know there is an afterlife and that's permanent um and i'm not no scholar

01:46:18.720 of viking mythology but even in pre-christian scandinavia it wasn't that christianity brought

01:46:25.760 that to them or at least i don't think so i'd be willing to hear uh any counter arguments there

01:46:31.120 but that's interesting he's making the argument that that emerges from indo-european history okay

01:46:36.180 so we go along with him for that like i said he starts off here with this and it's interesting

01:46:42.400 where he'll build this foundation and then build upon that to get to you know politics at the end

01:46:50.220 of it but i appreciated the journey i appreciate having to go that far back and there's a lot i'm

01:46:54.560 not going to cover he gets into play-doh he gets into greece and rome and things like that so i'm

01:47:00.340 putting that to the side but he says the numerous and striking parallels between classical indian

01:47:07.720 and hellenic philosophy have been explored by various authors and this is important because

01:47:12.520 hellenism comes in later and i'll spoil it a bit for you now but he basically says

01:47:17.560 and i'll try and i'm gonna make sure we get into this soon because i know we gotta get going soon

01:47:23.180 but he basically says that Hellenism should be the sort of pan Eurasian religion to guarantee

01:47:31.740 a multipolar world. Now that's a, that's a wild argument. So like sort of European paganism,

01:47:38.100 I've never heard that argument before, but okay. That's more thought than a lot of people have

01:47:44.980 given to it. I think he continues on. He says, Hellenic thinkers mentioned in this regard include

01:47:50.500 Thales, Anexaminer, Heraclitus, Empedocles, and Plato, concluding his informative survey

01:47:58.240 of these parallels, a man named A. M. Marlow suggests that Indian influence probably reached

01:48:03.620 the Hellenic world through Iran as an intermediary. Without denying a flow of thought in either

01:48:09.080 direction, we suggest that these parallels should be ascribed primarily to a common

01:48:14.100 spiritual intellectual inheritance the differentiation between being and non-being

01:48:20.220 as encountered in both hellenic and indian philosophy might at first might at first sight

01:48:25.400 suggest that the cosmos entails a duality of something and nothing however transcending both

01:48:31.180 being and non-being there's a supreme reality of the godhead see this is where i think he's reaching

01:48:37.540 like he's using terms like godhead and he's like okay they have a concept of being and unbeing

01:48:44.260 i'm like i don't know like when we talked about that great book by james unwin i believe called

01:48:50.340 sex and culture i understand that the world of the savage is very different than ours of you know

01:48:59.200 their understanding of god can be broken down into several different steps and they were really at

01:49:04.320 one with nature everything was very immediate everything was very lateral but i think i think

01:49:09.040 you're reaching by saying that you know like my understanding of indian religion and mythology

01:49:16.560 like there's there's no resemblance really between and okay let me just give some credit

01:49:23.680 here because i've had some people say that the indian religion the canon of gods that they have

01:49:29.840 right now is in no way related to the original you know indo-european founding stock the higher

01:49:38.080 caste indians and i'm no scholar of indian theology so i don't know okay i'm i'll claim

01:49:43.280 ignorance to that but it just seems wild that i would say that christianity held on to much of

01:49:51.520 the hellenism okay then why did india abandon so much of it you know i mean like why did it

01:49:58.560 It would have had to degrade significantly to get to its current state.

01:50:03.600 So what led to that degradation?

01:50:06.080 Especially if they have such a common ancestor, right?

01:50:10.580 That just doesn't track for me. 0.96

01:50:13.060 Why have they, like, how the fuck do you have the French over here and Indians over there? 0.94

01:50:17.460 Explain that to me. 0.99

01:50:18.300 Explain that to me what the fuck happened there. 0.88

01:50:20.960 And they're so divergent at every single level. 0.95

01:50:24.640 The only thing they have in common is they kind of have some facial features.

01:50:28.060 i don't know like saying that the bagda vita descended from hellenism i don't know like

01:50:33.580 nah i don't know man so he goes on here he says the term metaphysics first appears in the writings

01:50:42.660 of aristotle plato's most famous student um it's important to note that the recognition of a

01:50:48.200 fundamental differentiation between the metaphysical and the physical realms does not

01:50:53.500 imply an ontological dualism since both of these worlds obtain their reality from a transcendent

01:50:59.260 principle as we noted earlier the principle is variously referred to as god brahmin or the one

01:51:05.260 but an important distinction should be made regarding the origins of these worlds whereas

01:51:10.100 the intelligible realm arises directly from the principle the sensible world comes into being

01:51:15.260 through the intelligible world the cosmic chain of causality may therefore be stated as what follows

01:51:20.900 principle leads to metaphysical intelligible world leads to physical sensible world as was

01:51:27.540 done by the platonic predecessors so also proclus explaining the relation between the one and the

01:51:33.960 many to the notion of participation so continues on here um thomas aquinas opens his treatise on

01:51:42.440 creation as follows all beings apart from god are not their own being but are beings by

01:51:47.220 participation so you can see he's trying to create a history here of you know catholicism

01:51:54.680 or christianity is just the latest manifestation of a long unbroken chain going back to the

01:52:01.600 indo-europeans which even someone like e michael jones might find interesting when he talks about

01:52:06.680 the concept of logos being granted by the greeks and you know our understanding of the christian

01:52:14.480 god as we understand now requiring uh european history and developments along that chain for us

01:52:22.240 to understand it in a way that other people's can't so he almost takes you know he's telling

01:52:27.200 the genetic story or the historical story of how you can even come to that point i'm like okay

01:52:32.640 that's interesting like there's interesting things in there it just it diverges in some ways from

01:52:38.240 what i think is accurate it goes on here i'm just going to give you a bunch of stuff here it goes

01:52:42.400 in the traditional indo-european conception truth is the highest of all values as noted by

01:52:49.480 john howdy this is more than just a moral notion for truth also involves aesthetic

01:52:54.280 and cosmic roles or functions for example in both celtic and aryan i.e classical indian societies

01:53:02.340 uh-oh no one wants to say aryan is classical indian oh no the success of a king's reign is

01:53:10.400 dependent above all else on his truthfulness and in arian aran the holy immortal arta or truth

01:53:16.980 enables humans to distinguish between good and evil evidently devotion of the truth is not an

01:53:22.620 option but a duty how may humans as limited beings know the truth heraclitus was the first western

01:53:28.900 finger to ascribe cognitive functions to the human soul which understands and interprets sense

01:53:34.540 impressions the latter is done correctly when phenomena are understood as manifestations

01:53:40.700 of the logos for the hellenists it's ignorance that prevents us from returning to the one

01:53:46.540 while the christians it's sin that erects a barrier between us and god we therefore conclude

01:53:51.740 that these hellenic and christian approaches are complementary not contradictory so as he's going

01:53:58.060 he's telling the story that so many of these religious forms came from hellenism hellenism

01:54:03.420 was the original religion christianity is just the evolution of that it is complementary to it but

01:54:09.500 it's got those bones inside of it and so do all these other peoples throughout europe and eurasia

01:54:17.500 he skips ahead here to modernity says following the victory of the rationalistic ideologies

01:54:23.980 over their traditional estates like what we were just talking about which in the western culture

01:54:28.460 occurred from the 18th century onwards two new orders arose to assume the mantle of authority

01:54:34.060 these new estates are the intellectuals and the trading class enamored by their newfound freedom

01:54:40.240 in reality yaki remarks that they're they are only the caricature of the old nobility and priesthood

01:54:46.620 these intellectuals are more correctly termed rationalists since their thought is limited to

01:54:51.820 purely horizontal or an imminent level of reality without recognition of its vertical or transcendent

01:54:58.360 dimensions in the centuries before the rise of the power of rationalism liberalism and democracy

01:55:05.480 western nations harbor the traditionalist states of nobility and priesthood serving as the political

01:55:10.760 and religious authority respectively docky writes that the nobility and the priesthood represent

01:55:16.120 two aspects of the culture soul with the highest possible symbolic purity so you know he quotes

01:55:21.720 yaki pretty frequently in this book but you know he's saying things that most listeners wouldn't

01:55:27.320 disagree with we live in a fallen state we are divorced from the spiritual world we are dominated

01:55:34.200 by financial elites etc etc so you know you probably wouldn't find a lot of argument there

01:55:41.160 may continues on here in view of the arguments presented above we contend that an aristocracy

01:55:48.600 we contend that an aristocracy of rigorously trained philosopher rulers is the best form of

01:55:54.680 government okay while the much vaunted liberal democracy is actually the second worst form being

01:56:02.360 in the lowest position only by tyranny this preference does not have to exclude the possibility

01:56:07.240 of popular participation in the political process although the outcomes of such polls would be

01:56:12.440 non-binding on the rulers it would nonetheless be prudent of the rulers to seriously consider the

01:56:16.520 vote in his book the destiny of man the russian philosopher nicholas birdiev recognizes that there

01:56:23.000 there can be no ideal form of state in this world and therefore all political utopias

01:56:27.500 are radically false no argument here he adds there can only be relative improvements generally

01:56:33.340 connected with limiting the power of the state so this is what we were saying before you know

01:56:39.340 what my perfect form of government is a divine philosopher kings can we make those let's if we

01:56:47.520 can figure out how to make the perfect king then i think we got something right um but of course i

01:56:55.800 say that jokingly because that makes no sense unless unless you get into cloning you know i

01:57:01.700 mean like i hate to say this you know we it's easy to say the best form of government as

01:57:06.700 some like the maester point out is the deal because it seems that that emerges anyway monarchy

01:57:12.380 or the rule by the one seems to emerge in everything from corporations oftentimes you know

01:57:20.960 even now americans seem to be yearning for a king maybe even a tyrant so you know it has some

01:57:27.860 utility but we've seen the fall of aristocratic dynasties we've seen what happens across five

01:57:34.240 generations that that the family falls apart maybe they are not breeding with the right people you

01:57:40.640 mean like these these family dynasties tend not to last a long time so no and i think i think that's

01:57:47.440 why the divinity part of it is is an issue because if you have a you know a dynasty that is ruled

01:57:54.480 is ruling by a mandate of heaven or divine right it's hard to get rid of them when they become

01:57:59.520 poisoned where it's better if they don't actually have divine right and it's totally normal within

01:58:05.280 the society for another dynasty to just slit all their throats and take over you're probably going

01:58:10.080 going to have better kings if you allow that to happen it's a little more violent but it's probably

01:58:14.980 better but yeah generally speaking having i mean my curiosity now is when he says that the west

01:58:22.540 must fall and i'm paraphrasing here obviously is he just talking about liberal democracy

01:58:27.480 because the liberal democracy is not the west if anything it's a virus that has infected the west

01:58:33.660 yeah well the problem is what these people mean by democracy as well because arguably i mean we

01:58:43.020 have democracy but sort of a tech oligopic we barely have democracy but look to the extent

01:58:49.420 that we have democracy democracy like democracy i don't want to pair you know democracy is bad 0.95

01:58:54.440 democracy is fucking terrible and evil you should not have democracy now we don't even really have 0.98

01:58:59.320 democracy but the democracy that we have sucks and is bad so well even like they still have 1.00

01:59:06.260 voting in russia guys you know i mean like they don't have everyone has china has it no china 0.93

01:59:12.180 has them oh they do okay quote unquote democracy every nation on earth has some variation of public

01:59:18.240 participation which you can apply the label democracy to because it's in vogue right yeah

01:59:25.140 that's the thing like same thing over here like do people everyone in the west accepts that we

01:59:30.140 don't fucking have there there is no i don't think there's actually a real extant democracy

01:59:36.240 on earth right now in 2025 i don't yeah everyone just has the wrong idea of what russia is in my 0.97

01:59:42.560 opinion i'm like okay i understand that the liberals over here don't like who russians vote 0.96

01:59:48.060 for it could very well be that everyone likes putin in charge or it doesn't fucking matter 0.99

01:59:53.380 because you know we we get presented candidates here in canada it's the same shit like you had 0.99

01:59:59.560 to either vote for pierre pauliava mark carney no one none of us selected mark carney to vote for 0.98

02:00:04.360 the reigning party selected you see what i mean like it's all which is the fundamental problem

02:00:08.400 with democracy and then the fact that everybody believes that because it's a democracy you have

02:00:12.460 to accept the outcome is the reason why it's so popular with the elites because as long as they 0.95

02:00:16.800 can phone in some bullshit and fake it then nobody's allowed to complain after the fact 0.99

02:00:21.320 even though it was so obviously a fucking scam and it's like oh we can point at russia and say 0.99

02:00:25.240 well obviously putin has been playing the game and he had medvedev there for a few years as a 0.99

02:00:29.720 placeholder because the constitutional laws or whatever the fuck but our own side is calling 0.92

02:00:34.800 for trump to do a third term in the states and on our end we're we've all been saying for 0.99

02:00:40.740 fucking at least 10 years that our that our elections are all totally corrupt that nobody 0.95

02:00:46.720 in their right first of all nobody in their right mind could have voted for trudeau and if they had 1.00

02:00:50.640 have voted for trudeau they should be thrown in a fucking pit because so fuck democracy the last 1.00

02:00:56.240 honestly every election i can think back to they've said was stolen i mean they said that 1.00

02:01:02.680 fucking george bush stole it this biden stole the election they think trump stole the first one like 0.95

02:01:07.940 no one but it seems that we've got a collection of countries that all say they all kind of are 0.99

02:01:14.180 democratic but no one there believes a democratic and they actually don't function like a democracy

02:01:19.180 they function like an oligopic you know technocracy run by bureaucrats the demographics

02:01:25.500 of a given national population is a pyramid right with the lowest competence and intelligence on the

02:01:31.220 bottom then you're always going to skew towards the lowest competence and intelligence in leadership

02:01:35.680 because those are the people that are selecting the leadership like it's just objectively rationally

02:01:40.500 i mean even he says like it's the second worst system next to tyranny i think that petty tyranny

02:01:46.200 is probably better than democracy like it's just a dice roll that the guy that you get is horrible

02:01:51.100 but maybe he's not horrible maybe he's actually cool you don't know yeah right because with

02:01:55.520 democracy you objectively like mathematically you always get the worst guy with democracy

02:02:01.160 it's impossible to get a good guy with the democracy and remember the worst part as we

02:02:05.920 were saying was a hereditary monarchy doesn't seem to work very well even now i'm thinking of north

02:02:12.560 korea look it seemed that everyone liked kim il sung i think north koreans seemed like him then

02:02:18.480 came king jong-il who's kind of weird you know hereditary now that kim jong-un who's like a fat

02:02:24.960 retard what i was saying is hereditary works so long as they don't have the mandate of heaven

02:02:28.940 right hereditary works so long as the you know elites on the second layer below that by generation 0.99

02:02:35.740 three of the current dynasty are already plotting how to kill them all and then they kill them all

02:02:41.840 and then you get a new family like that's how ours worked like the windsors have only been there for 0.94

02:02:46.180 how many what is it six generations they've been there and prior to them it was the tutors or

02:02:50.700 whoever else and how did that happen war insane insane war just beautiful lovely war which i can

02:02:57.860 say as a armchair general who's never fought in war but you know what i mean right like the like

02:03:03.860 our kings didn't rule by divine right they just ruled so yeah they ruled good they they you can

02:03:10.040 just do things there the whole idea is that our kings are the first guy realize i can just i can

02:03:14.960 just be gonna do shit i'm gonna i'm gonna be king and you stop some i might by the way that rule

02:03:20.560 never changed you can still be king any one of us any one of us that's why i subscribe to mask 0.98

02:03:26.660 politics the politics of the movie the mask giant wooden hammer and yeah i show up with a giant

02:03:33.540 one hammer and a big honking horn that goes oh that blows your flesh off your face and i walk

02:03:43.380 around saying somebody stop me until somebody stops me that's our kings that's that's i'm pretty

02:03:52.940 sure that's what george washington was about uh so this is the part of the book that i love because

02:03:58.180 early on it's just history philosophy an interesting of you know the word politics

02:04:03.220 emerges from polis from you know okay and you know i have an interest in that but i've also

02:04:10.740 read so many other sources on that that i don't need to retread but he comes to this point he says

02:04:17.700 stated in terms of international politics western europe is the cradle of occidentalism it finds

02:04:24.020 itself in the dilemma of being unable to create a true society due to its commitment to individualism

02:04:30.100 And since the members of the system are individuals and not persons, the latter in the classic understanding meaning an existential otherness in social relationships characterized by freedom of will, social unity can only be attained by suppressing individualism through authoritarianism and totalitarianism.

02:04:48.880 In its turn, Asia is the cradle of Orientalism. Insofar it adheres to the tradition of holism, it gives rise to traditionalist conservatism.

02:04:57.760 However, this does not prevent rich systems of spirituality coexisting with material poverty and exploitative relations.

02:05:05.540 In contrast to these Western European and Asian systems, Hellenism offers the prospect of a sustainable international order through its assimilation and transcending of both individualism and holism being based on the metaphysics of personhood.

02:05:22.200 geopolitically this conception lends to a multipolar system since

02:05:26.720 multipolarity is philosophically founded on the concept of personhood

02:05:30.040 now this i disagree with just you know

02:05:35.260 first of all um i mean he's talking about chinese culture that like eastern culture

02:05:43.280 um you know i'm not an expert on that you're probably more of an expert on that than i am

02:05:48.300 um but individuality versus personhood you know ancient hellenism having a concept of personhood

02:05:57.040 which is almost antithetical to individuality i mean i'm not sure that's because i think

02:06:03.200 individuality if anything would emerge from personhood you know i mean like it's a higher

02:06:09.900 order for a person you can get really lost in the weeds on that about how much sovereignty a person

02:06:16.820 ought to have of course or is being an individual anti-collectivist or anti-communitarian that's

02:06:24.520 what some people believe especially you know utilitarians and i don't subscribe to that at

02:06:28.660 all but yeah okay there are certain extremes within that but i i don't know that it's

02:06:34.960 i don't know that it's opposing the idea of personhood you know what i mean

02:06:39.420 yeah yeah does that make any sense so and also um he just kind of he doesn't really get at this

02:06:46.060 He just says, well, of course,

02:06:47.360 multi-polarity is philosophically

02:06:49.440 founded on the constant person.

02:06:50.720 Well, no, it's not.

02:06:52.580 That doesn't make any sense.

02:06:54.660 You know, if anything,

02:06:55.260 multi-polarity is ethnocentric.

02:06:57.580 I'll grant you that.

02:06:59.080 And this is what even Dugan says,

02:07:01.260 among many others,

02:07:01.780 because they still have this idea of nations.

02:07:03.700 They still have this idea of, you know,

02:07:06.120 ethno-religious blocks

02:07:07.620 that are manifested as a nation.

02:07:09.120 Right, right, right.

02:07:09.720 And having multiple poles,

02:07:10.860 it allows them to each keep

02:07:11.960 their identity and sovereignty.

02:07:13.520 That's kind of one of the only nice features

02:07:15.700 of that system it's it's the fantasy that none of these larger nations would ever be imperialist

02:07:23.500 yeah which is preposterous it's ridiculous if you know anything about china it's utopian is what it

02:07:28.760 is yeah yeah it's this it's built on the fiction that all global conflict is run by either america

02:07:37.020 or the city of london or both or the pope they got a rotating cast of villains sometimes it's

02:07:45.360 the pope driving the bank the pope's controlling the bank of england and the bank of england is

02:07:51.420 controlling america and america's controlling israel and so everything goes back to like

02:07:57.100 their pyramids very silly but really that's what multi-polarity is it's just the reason that you 0.96

02:08:03.360 know if you get rid of the pope and the bank of england then everyone's fucking linking arms and 0.97

02:08:09.100 being ironically being individualist that's what they believe like the idea is that oh they just 0.95

02:08:15.240 want to do their own thing and be materialist because all they want is to feed their family

02:08:21.460 and eat sandwiches but that doesn't seem to be the case you know i mean like that's a that's a

02:08:27.920 silly children's cartoon world so that's what multipolarity is not an evolved concept of

02:08:33.820 personhood you know ironically this guy is arguing for that from a western individualist perspective 0.91

02:08:43.140 like i i've heard this argument come from brown people i've i've heard arabs and indians 0.96

02:08:49.220 say this and they don't talk about any of this shit that's why i like this book this is a white 0.97

02:08:54.420 guy i believe hold on let me just check yeah uh when in debir uh dr debir is a south african who 0.98

02:09:04.800 taught in cape down until he moved to ireland where he completed his master's dissertation

02:09:08.520 on the philosophy of erogenia so this is you know a scholarly white guy who's trying to put you know 0.98

02:09:15.820 basically a european voice to this and doesn't sound like a deranged russian asshole like dugan 1.00

02:09:24.120 like a fucking dumb freak a dumb lying freak like dugan or any of the cast of characters you've got 1.00

02:09:32.040 there right now all the browns and blacks and weird asian ladies and indians that live in 1.00

02:09:40.840 brazil that talk about this right like they they can't even make an argument for it because it 0.74

02:09:46.360 just goes into conspiracy theories and stuff so this is as as good as i've seen because every

02:09:52.280 like he's mentioning yaki he's mentioning you know the legacy of greece okay but when he gets

02:09:59.400 some multi-polarity like i i don't buy that it's not explained well at all and he ends with this

02:10:04.920 he says undoubtedly the worldwide cultural freedom within a multipolar order will approximate true

02:10:12.600 freedom or freedom to much more than the negative freedom or freedom from of liberalism a multipolar

02:10:21.640 order would also correlate with the metaphysical reality of the transcendent one manifesting in

02:10:27.320 the many of the here and the now thereby remaining true to the nature of the cosmic order and see

02:10:32.920 that's why we started with the indo-european conceptualization of the one and the other this

02:10:41.480 this sort of blood memory religion worshiping the sun because like you said hellenism is how

02:10:48.680 you can create the multipolar worlds how you can cut through all these divisions have a new eurasian

02:10:54.280 religion and was it correlated the metaphysical reality of the transcendent one manifesting in

02:11:02.040 the many of the here and the now you know i mean so it's like reconciling individuality

02:11:09.000 with separate person like the collectivity or the collectiveness of like creating a synthesis

02:11:17.240 of collectivism and individuality you know what i mean but i i don't i don't get it you know i

02:11:23.640 i mean like it doesn't make sense to me it's something that sounds interesting but i don't

02:11:28.800 even think it sounds desirable and maybe that's my bias no i i agree and a lot of it has been

02:11:34.980 reaching from the very beginning like if you're you're trying to work upwards into the modern day

02:11:40.860 and your for your foundations are like you know indo-aryans understanding of the sun

02:11:47.480 like yeah i'm not and it's not even it's not even wrong but you have to understand that the frame

02:11:53.500 you're working in is extremely highly it's highly conceptual and abstract you can't drill down and

02:12:00.660 be like and this is why by 2030 the american government will collapse no no we're we're

02:12:06.820 painting with the broadest of strokes here okay but i will say i tip my graffitied top hat to this

02:12:14.300 guy for attempting to mount a racist defense of multipolarity by saying that there's a genetic

02:12:23.480 predisposition amongst our peoples towards this and we can rediscover it but you know what i mean

02:12:29.200 like he's actually saying it's an indo-european thing i don't frankly i don't even buy into that 0.90

02:12:34.720 shit like everybody loves that and i i like it aesthetically but the whole like you know blood

02:12:39.640 memory and whatever else like i'm sorry guys like i i have like 99 of what i do it relates to my 0.95

02:12:46.520 father and grandfather not to a step horseman i may or may not be related to in 5000 bc this

02:12:53.720 this could absorb everything this could absorb nrx this could absorb you know the bronze age

02:13:01.080 mindset thing because he's saying like it all comes from the step nomads right right it's all

02:13:05.960 it's kind of like it's it's born i don't think this is a terminally online guy but it it does

02:13:13.960 seem to be weaving a path around certain landmines and like you're hip to what's going on

02:13:20.840 anyway it's cool man it's it's cool i just think look with a lot of the stuff that i hear i'm like 0.92

02:13:26.160 no notes other than it's just some nerd shit yeah no notes other than it's wrong

02:13:34.340 like i mean like i just and and great execution you know flawless but also a great execution but 0.98

02:13:42.980 like i just also you're gay it's hard i need to step back take a breath have a tea and say that

02:13:49.620 i just don't think hellenism is going to unite the european and indian peoples and also with

02:13:56.520 because you are you're using the word multi-polarity so i'm assuming russia is in the

02:14:01.100 i just don't see hellenism being the connective tissue throughout eurasia the thread throughout

02:14:07.980 all of this is the autistic actually autistic tendency to have no sense of scale you're moving

02:14:16.060 from one concept to the next one category or one frame of reference or one timeline to the next

02:14:22.940 and you're not adjusting the scale and priority of importance of these things you're drawing the

02:14:28.780 the tiniest thread from 5000 bc into the modern era and this is like part of the reason that i

02:14:36.560 don't even like to engage that much in the dissonant space because so many guys are artistic

02:14:40.860 bless their hearts but not capable of seeing the forest for the trees and that's what this is this

02:14:46.380 is there are if you were going to go into this level of depth researching literally any other

02:14:52.760 topic there are 1000 topics the history of fucking soft drinks would be more important to to the

02:14:59.800 zeitgeist in 2025 than this sorry yeah fact well but this is really cool and probably actually

02:15:07.000 correct it's just that it's correct and it matters very little consider this say okay what he's trying

02:15:12.880 to make it right for and we'll go right for this but he's saying that you know we have a shared

02:15:17.040 ancestry and shared theological backgrounds and there's so many of what we are is parallel

02:15:24.560 and i would say okay let's say that's true throughout europe and iran and i i assume

02:15:32.300 russia because you said multipolar you talk about bricks and things like that so that to me in the

02:15:36.920 mix okay it seems like converting everyone to hellenism would be an essential part of achieving

02:15:45.960 the multipolar world right like you would almost need to do that first you must get everyone on

02:15:51.800 the same ideological and spiritual page before you can approach it geopolitically right okay

02:15:57.560 let's just start with that what would it take to convert all of eurasia to hellenism because he's

02:16:03.160 saying it's technically possible his argument is that if we look at all these similarities

02:16:08.280 it should be possible there's no reason it could be possible i say okay let's follow that through

02:16:13.400 what would it take to convert india and russia and iran to sort of a broad hellenism

02:16:21.480 it's you wouldn't you wouldn't need wars you would you know i mean like you would need

02:16:26.120 imperialism they would not come to this on their own you would need to take over their countries

02:16:32.840 and convert them basically like i don't see it happening any other way and if it requires that

02:16:39.000 much you know subjugation and that and that timeline that was probably going to take 300

02:16:46.120 years to pull this off i'm like well then how how shared are our experiences really like actually i

02:16:53.720 don't see any of this happening without generations and generations of conquest of of a of a crusade

02:17:02.680 across the eurasian land mass across the world island to make this happen and so

02:17:10.120 you could just do that capitalism too though you know i mean you could do that with anything it

02:17:13.720 sounds like you would have to be ripping these people deracinating these people like the soviets

02:17:21.160 might do right so so you you might as well speak to these people as if they weren't your shared

02:17:26.600 ancestors the amount of work you would have to put in to do this anyway that's just my feeling so

02:17:33.400 like it's it's even if it's technically possible is it practically possible and then if it's so

02:17:38.740 impractically impossible is it even technically possible you know i mean yeah that's i know and

02:17:44.960 i don't want to you know make fun of this guy because he seems like a very interesting accomplished

02:17:49.040 guy this guy's got a good beard on him he's got a good head of hair uh no no notes on this man's

02:17:56.220 physiognomy or his choice of shirt we're looking at a dark shirt let me see show this i'm gonna

02:18:02.120 show you what i'm looking at here look at this guy all right fair enough i'd high five that steely

02:18:09.040 gaze steely dude he's standing amongst the trees this is a guy i like so i i look at that i don't 0.98

02:18:16.820 want to make an enemy of that guy that guy looks like he'll fuck you up by the way yeah he's got 0.99

02:18:21.720 eyes he looks like he's killed 1.00

02:18:23.860 he looks like he's killed some men

02:18:25.540 I just want to say I take everything

02:18:28.420 back that I just said

02:18:29.740 this is a great idea I like

02:18:32.020 Hellenism I think

02:18:33.620 Hellenism plus China equals

02:18:36.380 star eye emoji

02:18:37.840 that's the dimes take

02:18:40.500 okay we'll end there

02:18:42.220 thanks so much for taking the time

02:18:43.960 I'll talk to you later

02:18:51.720 of salads and scrambled eggs and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you peg

02:19:01.160 here we go i'm very excited for this panel this counts as a panel um i'm joined by two very good

02:19:10.860 friends of mine people i i would say would would it be fair to say we've known each other for years

02:19:15.820 mr theron and mr fancy yes that would be absolutely yeah and some people might know them

02:19:23.920 if they've heard uh do you even read or they listen to blood salad which they should i've

02:19:29.400 mentioned a book club um it's known as the book club and this is a group of very interesting

02:19:36.440 minds some of the most interesting minds that i can think of who discuss books that i've been

02:19:41.780 gleefully ripping off for quite some time now many of them have made their way onto the show that i

02:19:48.820 do with the prudentialist called do you even read that's where i first heard about charles cochran

02:19:54.580 and classical christianity classical culture it's where i first heard of the last book we did uh

02:20:00.820 futures past and semantic time and um i've just been reading it with rapt attention for sometimes

02:20:08.900 some of the more interesting ideas and um yeah so i've stolen from you long enough and it's time

02:20:14.660 that we set the record straight let's figure out if i've been going terribly wrong in these ideas

02:20:20.340 thank you both for joining me i have a lot of things sorry i have a lot of things to say about

02:20:25.460 your readings because you know one of the things that the book club does hello boys uh and women

02:20:31.540 apparently uh one of the things the book club does i say proudly is we read you know chapter by

02:20:36.980 chapter so if you're going to read like ostahamu or if you did uh classical culture you know you

02:20:43.840 did two episodes and we you know for us it took nine months almost nine months to go through

02:20:49.500 ostahamu's transformation of the world so you know of course i do have some like you know there's a

02:20:56.880 completely different attitude to reading that you bring when you do this kind of like insane

02:21:01.440 slock just go page by page chapter by chapter yeah especially these books where i'm thinking

02:21:07.800 of christianity and classical culture where you could spend an hour on the first 15 pages i know

02:21:14.240 a good friend of mine named pete kiones he's been doing a series on this book 200 years together

02:21:19.740 thereby i think solzhenitsyn and he's been covering that for it seems like three and a half years

02:21:25.540 they just put every page as an episode you can you can go so deep with these ideas but there's

02:21:31.920 also something that happens to you i think when you read like that because it's like

02:21:35.960 you know there are so many people who will be like we i saw a tweet today right where and we

02:21:42.420 always reference treats i don't know what it is but that's supposed to sort of like access access

02:21:47.140 to other people's minds we have that these days right anyway people will just say things and one

02:21:52.420 of things they'll say is that you know reading is an act of resistance or books reading books is an

02:21:57.140 act of resistance and i can't you know i can't help but laugh because i can't think of anything

02:22:02.360 more ridiculous than an unqualified reading of anything right that's not that's that's just not

02:22:08.800 what we're we're after yeah and we're discussing this and we discussed this in the community but

02:22:14.560 we also were discussing before the show about how some of these ideas some of these superstructures

02:22:21.700 of thought can pose a real threat to people um one example would be conspiracy theory culture

02:22:28.740 and this is something we were mentioning recently even that a lot of people like losing themselves

02:22:34.340 in labyrinths of theory something that seems big and imposing and intricate and complicated leftist

02:22:40.340 thought is a lot like this and you haven't heard anything like it before and it sounds trippy and

02:22:45.780 interesting but is it correct is it degenerate can it does it pose a threat to how you actually

02:22:54.020 understand the world is it real and some people can get lost in these unrealities and so what i

02:22:59.960 appreciate about you and people like yourself is and this is something we try and do on our shows

02:23:06.420 is contrast whatever we're doing with what else we know like act not don't just be impressed by

02:23:12.240 something that's weird you know or or because it's new actually dissect and figure out okay is this

02:23:17.440 subversive or is this just wrong you know and it's hard to do with history we'll get into that in a

02:23:22.880 second and i was laughing about this even before we were um starting the show charles cochran would

02:23:28.800 be an example where anytime anyone's referencing rome i mean you could spend your whole life just

02:23:33.520 talking about rome of course and then even still there's people who disagree on one interpretation

02:23:39.840 or another so i mean you can you can lose yourself in rome forever and and i bet you

02:23:45.280 might have something to say that about whether you ever watch um like law videos do you know

02:23:51.680 what that is i'm sure you do a lot of lower videos like online lower stuff yeah well it's like elden

02:23:57.920 ring or warhammer 40 000 or or something like that i think it was sonic the hedgehog that would be you

02:24:05.120 know there's an hours of world building that thing right right but it's it's funny because a lot of

02:24:12.640 like real world topics are treated the same way lore is i think and and that's sort of a big part

02:24:19.600 of it so how you like what is your that that's sort of the unqualified reading like i want to know

02:24:26.160 not just that you you read but you're sort of like what's your attitude to reading or what's

02:24:31.280 your approach to reading how do you go about like understanding this book how do what's the purpose

02:24:37.180 of your reading of this book is it sort of like you escaping into an alternate reality like you

02:24:42.940 can imagine some people you know in the in the back rooms in the pre-stream you mentioned um

02:24:48.500 seasick and shishik and uh capitalism and that sort of thing and sometimes you read that sort

02:24:55.100 think mark fisher you know you get a feeling that their like cultural diagnosis is not about reality

02:25:02.640 it's about this lore world that they built and they participate in and and if you sort of read

02:25:08.440 that with that in mind you know it's a lot of things start to like fit into place i feel like

02:25:13.660 and what's interesting about that and this is where we'll get into fandoms which is a word that

02:25:18.900 i've used quite a bit you understand that the success of so many ideas across time is whether

02:25:26.160 or not they have a fandom you know whether something can be sort of commoditized as a

02:25:30.820 theory it's it's sometimes not even the creator of the theory it's the adherence or you know the

02:25:38.400 the young people who find out about it later and then carry it into the future so so much of what

02:25:45.600 exists in society and so much of what dictates what theories make it into the present or the

02:25:51.580 future is whether or not people seem to treat it just as like a cool exciting thing they might not

02:25:56.860 even understand it you know they might separate it from its original context but then it just

02:26:01.860 becomes this other construct i remember you know even even writers like shakespeare like how much

02:26:07.620 of shakespeare's dominance is dependent on this this this you know these things in orbit around

02:26:13.600 shakespeare validating it and justifying it and shepherding it into relevancy

02:26:18.880 i mean absolutely uh i i that you know i like this sort of phrase where i like that phrase where

02:26:28.660 it's who's who's believing it or like you kind of have to look at the one of the things i've been

02:26:34.760 getting into lately something called network theory and maybe fancy want to talk about what

02:26:39.360 that is and why that's sort of a helpful thing or maybe i just uh i keep going what do you think

02:26:44.940 fancy i can go into a little bit uh so harrison i think c white he was a new york or new york

02:26:54.460 university professor who eventually went to harvard he had the social network theory which he

02:26:59.080 was originally a theoretical physicist and he went into sociology and this is all the social

02:27:04.380 or sociological theory where it's the relationship between yeah there uh it's the relationship

02:27:11.800 between the two objects is the important node tidbit and so you can start connecting things

02:27:18.820 that aren't necessarily directly related by that relationship and he has some very good ideas on

02:27:26.840 like what identity is what you know these networks he also calls them net dumbs and i'm just

02:27:33.780 trying to dive into this a bit more to you know finally understand like what the hell is identity

02:27:39.620 what the hell is like all these ideas that are keep getting brought up and like are they actually

02:27:45.840 the you know the leftist ideas of identity where it's just you know uh skin color uh

02:27:54.060 you know all these different uh minority groups that are just

02:27:58.040 it looks to be just like what is on the page is what it is or is it a little bit

02:28:05.640 you know deeper than that is it yeah that's that's his famous book and that's this looks

02:28:11.660 like one i'm going to want to review too yeah this looks good this is right up our alley

02:28:15.900 someone described his writing style like james joyce which that's not incorrect it's not an easy

02:28:22.300 straightforward read oh we like that around here i just had someone the other day talk about how

02:28:30.120 they liked james joyce but they found they liked james joyce but they couldn't like james joyce

02:28:35.020 if that makes any sense i don't know but sure and don't worry i do recommend other authors that are

02:28:44.700 more understandable and that are legible that uh don't drive you insane so yeah go ahead i was

02:28:52.880 going to ask how how is this contribute because that's something we talk about on the show

02:28:56.400 quite a bit uh unpacking what we mean by identity and uh it's something that is you know of course

02:29:03.120 very frustrating because of course there's the obvious racial dimension but then there's the

02:29:08.800 ethnic dimension there is a biochemical connection there's a neurological connection there's genes

02:29:15.400 like there's so many layers to this idea and that's before you get into you know ideology

02:29:21.540 ideas ideological capture how people choose to define themselves met people meta-analyzing what

02:29:28.160 they are and sort of spiraling based on that so uh i was gonna ask you how did you what caused you

02:29:34.820 both to start down this journey that's a big question that's an odd question but

02:29:40.240 i do have i do have a like uh you know because we sort of talked about this before but but i'll

02:29:46.440 sort of retread the the line right that the book club as such more and more came into a sort of

02:29:54.640 exploration of this concept of fandom like trying to get you know we all have this in one way or

02:30:00.540 we all have this kind of like platonic cave uh experience of our own life i think that that is

02:30:07.500 sort of the common like modern condition i might even put it like that right that that we are

02:30:13.180 trying to get to the truth or that reality is fake in some way and and that's been a sort of

02:30:19.740 a western theme for a long time but nevertheless right that and and plato's cave sort of tells you

02:30:25.100 that but at some deep level and very much today we're all sort of like have this feeling of falling

02:30:32.220 out of reality and maybe then back into reality and the book club as a sort of a project

02:30:38.220 is a way of exploring this sort of like you know you go into you're unhappy with something or

02:30:44.220 something doesn't sit well with you and then you're you know especially if it was sort of the

02:30:49.580 pre-algo days now the alga will sort of find out what you're about in like five minutes but back

02:30:56.300 in like the tens right you kind of had to like do a lot of work on your own to end up in these

02:31:02.540 rabbit holes of course that's there is also like a moment where the alga was on anyway it's a little

02:31:09.020 more complicated than that but the long and short of it that is that the book club tries to find

02:31:16.300 its way out of this landscape or graduate from this landscape of fandom and and the fandom as

02:31:23.340 such you know everything sort of threat threatens to be a fandom all the time and and it will

02:31:29.740 oscillate in and out of this state of fandom ism is the sort of long and short of it so so there

02:31:37.020 is this way in which you can graduate through the fandoms but you will fall back into the fandoms

02:31:43.580 and what what it then is the fandom well the fandom at a sort of like deep level is something

02:31:51.020 that is social that is apart from reality right but it but it will always sort of congregate

02:31:56.700 around some truth about reality like everyone can that participates in a fandom will have a feeling

02:32:03.580 of if not outward superiority already then some kind of feeling of special knowledge like you

02:32:10.460 know about these crime statistics or you access to this special method of rationality or one thing

02:32:17.900 or another gives you this special sort of gnosis and i think that's sort of one of the the main

02:32:23.740 ways in which we we have to think about what a fandom as such is because it sort of goes beyond

02:32:29.260 like just appreciation of something you you join a fandom and then that becomes like a lifestyle

02:32:34.860 right and and other people who are part of this fandom are also people you are

02:32:41.180 you know have an immediate connection or uh understanding with right so that's another

02:32:47.020 thing that it that it solves a problem that you might have especially you know we have this sort

02:32:52.220 of old it's almost like because everyone's on lines of this the old nerd figure is kind of

02:32:57.820 like sliding out of uh slide anyone want to say something about that that the nerd as a sort of

02:33:03.660 mythological fingers is sliding out of public consciousness because maybe it's because we're

02:33:08.860 all nerds now that's a good point there's actually a couple things to say there but

02:33:12.980 just so i don't forget that thread right there i do think the the the studious man is falling

02:33:19.100 out of fashion especially in our space what you might call uh very broadly the distant right where

02:33:23.980 there's been sort of a rejection of intellectualism and i don't mean that means people want to be 0.81

02:33:29.300 stupid but it means people are more like we need a warrior poet or you need it's a focus more on 0.82

02:33:36.580 practicality and trying to slice away what they many people see as useless information but i don't 0.99

02:33:45.360 know like i'm i'm compelled to want to know more about these things that we talk about like for

02:33:51.800 example everyone talks about identity everyone in the space talks about identity and for them it's

02:33:56.860 just trapped within the political context and that's fine because that's immediate but if you're

02:34:02.680 a this will sound pretentious but if you're a curious mind you will inevitably say well what

02:34:08.080 do we mean by identity because sometimes it doesn't track sometimes like let's say just to

02:34:13.200 throw us out there oh you're a white person but then why do half of all white people i'm just

02:34:18.360 making up a number but like half seem predisposed to their own self-destruction what is going on

02:34:22.960 there you know how do we contrast what we are versus other people and to the point that of why

02:34:29.020 i like the book club because i think there's a lot of similarities between this book club and blood

02:34:34.480 satellite because blood satellite the show doesn't have the widest audience it's got a pretty good

02:34:38.980 listenership but it i'm under no illusions that this would be the most mainstream friendly show

02:34:45.200 but if we look at our audience and our community it tends to be people who've been around for a

02:34:50.840 while maybe they're even content creators themselves and they've exhausted themselves

02:34:55.800 with the all the they've made all the arguments they've watched all the videos they've maybe seen

02:35:00.840 the rise and fall of other organizations and they're still here but they're burned out and

02:35:05.900 they're seeking something new maybe they don't even know it yet but i find that what you're doing

02:35:12.220 and hopefully what we're doing appeals to people who are a bit more seasoned you know they they're

02:35:18.080 not just showing up in the space are you calling us old troons man yeah i'm an old i'm a coal head

02:35:24.660 old troon no i mean that's that's the moment where you know you find that it's not enough

02:35:31.900 you know you've been around for so long and nothing's happening and why is nothing happening

02:35:36.280 you know you have this sort of feeling that you're scrolling a timeline and keeping up and

02:35:41.240 the wheels are constantly turning and nothing is happening how does that you know how does that work

02:35:47.000 how does that fit together which of our priors are we wrong about what are we taking for granted

02:35:52.760 you know do have we actually looked into what we're talking about everyone talks about that

02:35:59.520 they love rome they traffic in memes about rome does anyone know about rome does anyone know about

02:36:06.480 certain political organizations that they talk about and this is where the fandom aspect and

02:36:11.520 aesthetics gets into it but basically do you know what you're talking about and um hold on let me

02:36:17.520 just point to a super chat we have right here from ned kettle uh cheers to my favorite trio of

02:36:24.240 retards to elevate unqualified reading to the artistic height of drunk driving that is that's

02:36:30.640 that's a kind phrase one of our resident poets in the background there's a lot of like literary

02:36:37.360 talent in the back rooms man yeah i i know um a good friend of ours the laughing man who runs the

02:36:43.520 sunflower society he's really we i think we were all into the back rooms for a minute before that

02:36:48.880 got captured by you know reddit and all these people and made lame but what a cool idea what a

02:36:55.680 interesting and fun idea the back rooms was you know for like 15 minutes where yeah it's a is this

02:37:01.680 it's like a kind of a metaphysical idea yeah it has to keep moving right the the timeline moves on

02:37:07.860 i was sort of looking at you know tweets are not sorry like memes are sort of a great like they

02:37:13.500 capture something because they are so worthless you know if it's a good one right the background

02:37:19.580 is such a cool idea because also you know it started off with like a space you know is based

02:37:25.580 off of i think people playing video games and the phenomenon of falling outside of the world

02:37:30.980 or finding your way into a part of the level

02:37:33.200 you're not supposed to be in.

02:37:34.800 So that's like a generational thing as well.

02:37:36.780 But also it's the idea of the space outside reality,

02:37:39.700 which is still inhabitable.

02:37:40.940 It's almost like entering into the meta-analysis

02:37:44.380 of the world itself.

02:37:45.640 Now, where they went wrong is they just said,

02:37:47.280 what if there's monsters in there?

02:37:49.100 And dimes, how does all of this pertain to reading?

02:37:53.080 Well, it's things you should do instead of reading.

02:37:56.840 You should watch.

02:37:57.260 No, no, it's the, well, the answer is that this is a part of the reading, right? This is part of the ground that you're reading from, right? So you kind of have to take this sort of like, like, if you start to notice that that's where you were reading from, that changes your reading, right?

02:38:17.240 and then you you're sort of thinking well what about reading or writing for that matter right

02:38:22.680 is like that you know the back rooms because i think the back rooms is a powerful metaphor

02:38:27.420 because it really sort of gets to like this is not just like uh liminal space this is actually

02:38:34.380 another space but this space is is kind of like uh bodiless or it is embodied in a in a way which

02:38:41.520 captures something fundamental and older than than just like this meme fad so you can you i

02:38:49.960 think you can stick to the you can you can uh sink your uh life savings into the backrooms meme

02:38:55.900 because i think that one is uh along for the ride yeah and if you could sort of seize it from the

02:39:03.240 people who have it currently which is like oh there's monsters in there you go in there and

02:39:07.040 there's a sketchy tentacle monster but i'm like remove all that you know that's narratively

02:39:12.500 convenient if you want to tell a story there but it is a pretty deep idea this idea that it's it's

02:39:18.520 almost like entering the world dreaming of itself or this constantly regenerating like it's like the

02:39:26.940 idea the world interpreting itself outside of the world itself that you for one reason or another

02:39:32.360 sort of fell into or walked your way into maybe found it on purpose but then like what what if

02:39:38.680 it's not hostile what if it's something much more confusing you know and and i don't know if you can

02:39:44.200 represent that idea in a traditional narrative arc the character but i mean it's right there

02:39:51.000 take all the scp stuff and keep it in scp keep all the you know cylinder tentacle guys over there

02:39:57.080 there's there's a real like nuclear bomb sized idea here well there's also something about like

02:40:04.280 how we're like just the basic fact that everyone feels a little bit outside of the world right

02:40:11.400 like that basic fact has to mean something right there's something about this like other world

02:40:18.820 that people feel they belong to which of course also tells you that they don't feel like that

02:40:25.260 there is a world that is the real world one of the sort of strange ideas is that maybe i'm sort

02:40:30.960 of looking for it but it's hard to see it and you know i don't have enough data but my feeling is

02:40:36.900 that the term in real life is also like the just like the nerd that the term in real life is also

02:40:43.780 going to fall out of public consciousness slowly slowly because it doesn't really make sense

02:40:48.840 anymore you know the the sort of backroom space is so i mean this sort of goes against what i'm

02:40:54.260 arguing but at the same time right the the world is sort of taken as a whole in a double or something

02:41:00.560 like that there's something really strange going on especially with the sumers you know they they've

02:41:05.280 never known a world where anyone could get a hold of them at all times right there's like

02:41:11.800 so you you you escape into that space the back rooms but it's so part of your strategy that you

02:41:20.260 don't think of it as as an alternative yeah it's like you had to form a secondary in real life

02:41:27.020 because for my generation i'm a millennial so and it was maybe some zoomers deal with this i speak

02:41:33.040 to zoomers often but when i was young it was a foregone conclusion that the online space was

02:41:40.220 fake it's a place where you made a name and had a fake personality and that's the usage of the

02:41:48.120 nerd right that that it's not just fake but it's also a little bit creepy or loserish right it's

02:41:53.880 sort of like you know you go there because you can't fit into real life or something like that

02:41:59.940 right yeah yeah it was a place where people oftentimes felt they could let loose and that's

02:42:04.080 what made 4chan so interesting back in the day it's you're anonymous you can say whatever you 0.94

02:42:07.800 want to say and so people start talking about exploding penises and rape and whatever you know 0.94

02:42:13.540 but eventually over time, the demarcation between those two begins to get blurred. And I think 0.98

02:42:18.800 I even see that in my generation now because people used to be scared of being online. No

02:42:23.280 one wanted to use their credit card on the internet because everyone was afraid of hackers.

02:42:26.240 Now it's just totally blended together. More people are comfortable with sharing their

02:42:31.800 face online or taking their online personality and tying it to their real life persona. You're

02:42:38.240 seeing that more and more and so yeah it's it's just this blend there's nothing anti-real about

02:42:46.400 the internet and furthermore so many people and they'll talk about this all the time feel that

02:42:50.720 real life itself is fake and that's something you talk a lot about about how much of your real life

02:42:56.500 is dominated by fake narratives consumerism some people would say capitalism but like what what is 0.96

02:43:02.160 what is more real about this than this other space where you're kind of doing the same shit 0.89

02:43:08.200 people are just shopping and watching tv in both areas too yeah but it's also a question of can 0.85

02:43:13.960 you then escape the ultimate you know one of the great things about the internet is that it's a

02:43:20.040 place to escape but suddenly it's everywhere so you can't really escape from it and it all of

02:43:25.440 these sort of things that only make sense online start to spill over into reality.

02:43:31.720 That's like a big, you know, sort of topic for the last, you know, 10, 20 years, right?

02:43:37.620 That we are living through an era where we have to deal with this collapse or maybe the

02:43:42.920 takeover of the back rooms, you know, everyone's in the back rooms now.

02:43:47.220 If you go for a walk at night, you know, you have this feeling that the entire city is

02:43:52.180 dead and everyone's behind their screens, right?

02:43:54.880 can sort of see the flicking lights in people's apartments and you have the screen the entire

02:43:59.520 street almost for yourself right and you can sort of see the way in which all these people sort of

02:44:05.280 pluck out or but they're the ones in reality you're the one you know skulking around in dark in real

02:44:13.120 life right yeah you're the you're you're the outsider or you're the nerd or the weird one

02:44:18.080 right now i've got a question for both of you uh when was the last time you used the acronym afk

02:44:22.720 when i was young i was pretty pretentious so i didn't use a lot of those acronyms but it would

02:44:31.080 have been back then the last time anyone said that yeah because that presumed that you're at

02:44:36.720 a desktop computer so now no literally no one's away from their keyboard at any given time

02:44:41.620 yeah that's that's what i want that's why i want to bring that up it's just you know there's no

02:44:46.360 separation between irl and what virtual reality i don't think people even use that anymore

02:44:50.900 now it's like augmented reality or some other buzzword that marketers and advertisers want

02:44:56.060 to make up to try to sell a new product but uh it's there's no separation there there's just

02:45:02.560 it's a deep entertain or a intertanglement sorry i'm sick right now uh between like you know

02:45:10.400 not between machine because i don't want to call my phone a machine machine and the human where

02:45:14.780 it's just i don't know what i'm saying here it's just there's no separation there's no

02:45:20.640 clear separation yeah i mean and that's that's exactly what we were talking about before about

02:45:25.860 there used to be that um gulf between being online and being offline because more people had desktops

02:45:31.100 back when i was in high school laptops were around but most people didn't have them there were no

02:45:36.000 tablets yet so you know when you're online you're in a fixed location and then you would walk away

02:45:41.800 from it now i'm not online anymore now you can't not be online for better or worse even aside from

02:45:47.460 your cell phone there's the internet of things right there's that me myself someone's charging

02:45:52.560 their doorbell with their couch using a usb charger you know just silly things right and a 0.99

02:45:58.980 lot of people especially zoomers will say yeah of course who gives a shit old man and they'd be 0.97

02:46:04.280 right but you know it's i don't know what it's like for even my son my son's just over two years 0.95

02:46:10.320 old i have no idea what world he's going to grow up in i assume it's going to be more digital they've

02:46:17.140 never been able to make augmented reality really work. I've seen it attempted three times in my

02:46:23.120 lifetime with Google Glass and things like that. So maybe there's a bigger hurdle there. You're

02:46:30.180 walking around literally with screens on your eyes. That's adding a layer of digital bullshit 0.99

02:46:36.680 to the rest of the world. I think if that happens, then we're doomed. But there just seems to be, 0.98

02:46:41.860 maybe there's too much science fiction made about this and people are very you know abrasive towards

02:46:47.460 that idea that full immersion

02:46:49.320 there's also a way in which this sort of um it can be thought of as an invasion i think like the

02:46:59.460 the online world you know you sit in and i have these sort of like social observation things and

02:47:05.660 i'm sorry but that's sort of like the way i work you know you said everyone's experienced this

02:47:09.980 right? They sit in the bus or just in a public space, and they realize that they're the only

02:47:15.160 person who's not looking at their phone, right? Again, right, there is this way in which this

02:47:20.280 phone works, not just like in a way to connect you, but also, I feel like as a way to obliterate

02:47:27.820 something or paper over something or, you know, take the place of something, right? You're not

02:47:33.920 just sitting there with yourself which is admittedly harrowing right or it can be but but

02:47:40.200 you you know there was this um tweet right where you know uh zoomers commented on their uh their

02:47:47.180 parents not listening to music or not watching a movie doing a flight right they're just raw

02:47:52.200 dogging reality right and it's just such a it's just a great expression because there's something

02:47:58.600 going on there and i don't i don't mean this in a sort of like a grand old man you know shouting

02:48:03.360 at clouds thing but it's something that's really interesting in terms of how people relate to yeah

02:48:09.760 this is really interesting in terms of how then because reading you know the book club tries to

02:48:16.400 take this concept of reading to the next level right that all of the things that i'm going to

02:48:21.040 say are going to sound pretentious and that's fine you know that that's this is the place to be as

02:48:26.400 pretentious that you dare this is a safe space for pretentious chuds you know i can't read uh i can't

02:48:36.320 most of the time i don't know my left from my right that was from a slam poem by the way i

02:48:41.520 found that online is so funny it's so good yeah but then i i like this i mean maybe we can talk

02:48:47.440 about that later with the the whole retard thing i like that a lot and i guess we'll have time to

02:48:52.640 talk about academia as well but yeah um i don't i don't mean it as sort of a old man shouting at

02:49:00.480 clouds kind of thing but but it reminds me of mccluan and we discussed mccluan on the show and

02:49:06.240 i'd say he's in maybe my favorite philosophers right now because i saw him engaging with modern

02:49:13.680 ideas the same way a lot of other philosophers didn't but i'm uh reminded of the idea of auto

02:49:19.280 amputation when media extends one of our senses. And media can basically mean anything, anything

02:49:26.400 that extends something human that you do, sight, sound, taste, whatever. So the media of the screen

02:49:34.480 extended our perception and our mind, but also made it so absent that extension, we almost don't

02:49:41.820 know how to engage with reality. So if you are brought up in a bombardment of information through

02:49:47.020 screens you almost don't know how to just sit alone i remember when i was a kid old man moment 0.65

02:49:53.000 right but we didn't have screens and shit so when we go on a long car ride you just stare at the 0.98

02:49:57.660 fucking window i remember long periods of growing up being bored you know if you weren't allowed to 0.98

02:50:03.600 just go outside because that was the only thing you could do there wasn't really anything on tv 0.99

02:50:08.300 tv was kind of boring if you're a kid so you would you would be you have that skill set and i think

02:50:14.500 as media is extending these other senses if you remove that media people actually don't know how

02:50:19.280 to interface with the world and it sounds extreme but you know just the ability to stare into a fire

02:50:27.520 you know and be entranced by the fire maybe that gets lost in the process well it's not i mean i

02:50:34.500 have to push back a little because it's not that they don't know how to interface with the world

02:50:38.880 it's just that their world is mediated in a different way so when the reason why i mentioned

02:50:44.720 the word reading or the concept of reading is that you know that that tells you something about

02:50:50.400 like what kind of person you're dealing with right so if you have a person who experiences

02:50:55.040 the entire world where notable dimensions of the world are cut off well then you will have

02:51:02.160 a slice of the world right there's this other example i go to where you know you listen to

02:51:07.600 someone and they tell you like something like people are not trustworthy and then you find out

02:51:13.600 that they live in like a bad part of town right so so you you hear what they're saying and then you

02:51:19.440 understand why they're seeing it right and and with with this sort of like um you know have you

02:51:25.920 talked with sandbatch about high and low dimensions that's something that he's really been hacking

02:51:31.840 into no not recently the last thing i talked to him intensely about was nick land's theory of the

02:51:39.200 western canon i think this might build on that even but i haven't talked to him yet about that

02:51:44.400 right okay so the concept of um it's just a very useful concept to sort of grasp

02:51:50.640 instead of like making a cut between reality and reality what if we then say well what if reality

02:51:57.120 de-dimensionalizes and upscales itself right so when you look through the world through a keyhole

02:52:04.240 you get less dimensions or if there's only like a screen and some speakers then the world is scaled

02:52:10.680 down right and when it's scaled down this should be you know standard McLuhan fare for most of your

02:52:17.220 audience right that here now you have a reality that's that's that's mediated to a very high

02:52:22.940 degree and then a lot of a lot of stuff will be missing like this is banal right but it helps you

02:52:30.060 i think to to to not do these like unnecessary bifurcations like this gnostic systems and we

02:52:38.440 we're all sort of more or less inclined to to fall into especially these times are distracted age

02:52:44.940 right but if you want to push back on it you can create a connection by saying like there are these

02:52:50.020 dimensions and they sort of upscale and downscale all the time and if you notice it then you know

02:52:55.460 for instance like we've all seen this picture of the flight with the red dots right the survivorship

02:53:02.060 bias thing right that's that's another great example of this thing where you're viewing

02:53:07.060 something through a filter and if you're aware of that filter then you'll do a better reading

02:53:12.940 you know as a broad sense i'm just pulling up the uh image of the survivorship bias make sure

02:53:20.420 we have it so this is what we're talking about right yeah yeah uh so people i've seen for the

02:53:26.140 longest time i saw this image and didn't know what it was and people would just post it maybe

02:53:31.180 it's even posted at me i'm like shut up but uh if you could um for the folks at home how would

02:53:38.960 summarize the survivorship bias well the survivorship bias is that when you're maybe

02:53:46.160 i don't know how to do it in a unless in a sort of technical sense but when you're looking at

02:53:50.640 a selection of something you have to take note of whether it's selected already you know so for

02:53:59.200 instance if you think well my world doesn't have any uh people who can't walk up stairs right but

02:54:05.840 you live on second floor so no one who can't work walk upstairs agree to get to your world

02:54:11.840 you know what i mean so there's this way in which for instance like um if you judge the world through

02:54:17.920 the lens of um books the world seems quite illiterate but but if you uh if you realize

02:54:25.760 that the people who are literate are few and far between and entire history is sort of leaving them

02:54:31.360 out right then the world looks a little bit different you know a lot of the things that

02:54:38.640 aren't really represented will show up for you right so you have a better sense of what's going

02:54:44.480 on i guess that's the sort of like that's a very good summary and let me just say i think this

02:54:50.000 strikes at the heart of the discourse itself the capital d discourse and you had mentioned earlier

02:54:56.560 on about how you always talk about tweets i do the same thing uh being back on twitter has done

02:55:02.400 irreparable damage to my mind and reputation and probably the show because once you're on twitter

02:55:08.000 it's so easy to get stuck in these whirlpools of debate and discourse and really waste your time

02:55:14.100 on it but um it's it's people say engagement farming people will say rage bait but it's all

02:55:21.600 that and it's even worse because you have people who are making grand declarative statements

02:55:28.080 and creating theories on how everything works in the world from gender dynamics to economics to

02:55:34.480 whatever might be and then later on you know if you just just taken at from a distance it'll be

02:55:41.440 an interesting tweet i've never heard that before i've never seen that before and then once you know

02:55:47.360 a thing or two about the people saying it you're like oh i see what this is this was just projection

02:55:52.960 or concocted in your very narrow world view but it was presented in such a bombastic and

02:56:00.320 declarative way that was enticing to people so it's the outrageousness that draws people in

02:56:07.040 and i think because it's outrageous well that must mean it's severely true and that's almost

02:56:13.200 really the case i don't want to like throw anyone under the bus by mentioning who i'm thinking of

02:56:17.760 specifically but uh i've noticed content creators you know people that are very popular and highly

02:56:24.720 respected no one that we know personally but you know they make they make a lot of money doing this 0.94

02:56:30.960 but then you you hear about their lives like oh you're just a failure you're an insane man you 0.99

02:56:36.160 know yeah i mean how often do you read someone's tweet and you're like damn and then you go through 0.99

02:56:42.160 their tweets and this is an insane person right this is you know this is literally an insane 0.77

02:56:48.000 person and i hate using that because i hate psychoanalyzing people don't make a mistake

02:56:51.920 that i'm like trying to you know project neuroses onto them oh no no it's not like i mean the basic

02:56:58.880 uh assumption should be that everyone's a little crazy sometimes i don't mean to divide the world

02:57:05.520 into the crazy crazies and the same ones not at all of course there are people who are in a

02:57:11.440 a permanent state of delusion but most people go in and out and it's also interesting to think

02:57:16.520 about twitter whether people lock on in their sane states of mind or as at their most like insane

02:57:22.780 it's kind of hard to tell but it feels like i'm not going to say what i think but but that's an

02:57:28.660 exercise for the reader right yeah and this could man we could segue right into talking about work

02:57:34.260 groups versus basic basic assumption groups based on that alone but i did want to start we haven't

02:57:39.280 even gotten to any of the stuff i really want to talk about we've just been in banter mode which i

02:57:43.900 enjoy there's but maybe this will help set up the rest of it there was um and i i know this to be

02:57:50.700 true because i know the book club but you had once said the book club doesn't believe in history and

02:57:56.320 for those uh of you who would have watched the last do you even read on futures past you kind

02:58:01.900 of saw us dealing with that idea of historical time and things like that um so what would you

02:58:07.740 like to say on that claim the book club doesn't believe in history i mean i'm gonna counter with

02:58:12.760 the question if you don't mind and you can pass it to fancy if you if you if you like uh but what

02:58:18.640 is the book about dimes the christianity and classical culture by charles norris cochran what

02:58:24.340 is the book about about christian culture i'm a future's past oh but but let's stick with uh

02:58:30.980 cochran okay so uh cochran christian classical culture i would say the main theme

02:58:37.180 was a paradigm shift in the roman mind the mind of the roman populace because one one system of

02:58:46.200 thought uh the pre-christian arguably pagan form of thought was for one reason another falling out

02:58:53.040 of fashion he gets in the book and why that would be but there was a demand for a system of thinking

02:58:58.980 a more elevated way of thinking that could meet the the demands of this population to explain

02:59:04.980 the world and help them ascertain their position in the universe and there was a

02:59:10.580 hello i think we lost him i'm sorry can you hear me now yes yes sorry my mic just cut out for a

02:59:24.360 second what was the last thing i said the universe oh yeah find their place in the universe and i

02:59:28.980 say there's a political story to be told there as well about the you know the the actual story about

02:59:35.240 the emperors and the caesars and how christianity became that's what some people focus on but

02:59:39.560 from a sociological point of view it was about sort of the evolution in i hate to say that word

02:59:47.480 but the evolution in thinking in the roman mind that wasn't just the proselytization of a new

02:59:55.860 eastern mysticism yeah so there is you know there are two constructs here there's christianity and

03:00:03.320 then there's classical culture and what changed right that's the that's the book the book is about

03:00:09.320 that change and that change then you know the reason why he goes to augustine is augustine

03:00:14.240 is in this uh i don't you know please stop me if i'm patronizing i'm just um but

03:00:20.220 he goes to augustine for augustine has this problem that until then christianity hadn't

03:00:28.360 really a good philosophy of how it could govern basically there are two he tries to address this

03:00:34.180 crisis of the third and fourth century in rome but he's also addressing the question of how

03:00:40.580 christianity meant to be a governing religion right so and and and the problem is that the

03:00:47.620 way christianity is integrated is just more of the same basically so there is this phrase he has

03:00:53.040 where you know they try to make civilization christian but they ended up civilizing christianity

03:00:59.620 so what cochran is trying to get at right is this uh you know you you sort of get at it right that

03:01:06.940 the mind there's a there's a change of mind but it's not just like substituting uh apple for a

03:01:14.320 pair right it's not like a or b it's a genuinely different way of approaching the world or being

03:01:22.080 in the world yeah like the concept of logos was such a revolutionary idea and it was taken for

03:01:28.240 granted now we got into this in the book the germanization of early medieval christianity

03:01:33.760 which some people take issue with but the overall theme was there was something of a synthesis so

03:01:39.200 So it's not just like there was the Roman mind and this alien operating system got uploaded

03:01:44.800 to, which is what a lot of anti-Christians think.

03:01:47.380 There was sort of a give and take, a real synthesis of, and it was almost phenomenological

03:01:52.220 in the sense that it's not, people look, think of like ingressors or invaders or good guy

03:01:57.160 or bad guy.

03:01:57.960 And if we just stop the bad guys from implanting this new system, then things would be different.

03:02:03.400 It's, there's a phenomenon and almost indescribable phenomenon.

03:02:06.560 And again, I'd hate to use the word evolution, but even De Maestro would say there was like a gap or a chasm that was beckoning to be filled with something.

03:02:17.780 And as it entered in, it became necessarily de-easternized.

03:02:22.260 And this continued all the way through to Protestantism, of course.

03:02:26.660 Right. And Augustine is sometimes called the first Protestant, as far as I know.

03:02:31.820 So that's a good little, like, you know, we are not theologians, but it's a very important, you know, one of the subtexts of much of what we've been talking about already is that we want to get out of this appealing world of the de-dimensionalized space.

03:02:50.860 What does that mean? Well, it's that if you have this sort of world where everything is governed by the words in this or that paper, then you think that those words are the most important things ever. Right. And then you'll be like, you know, the way we were going to change the world is we're going to get the right words and then we're going to put them up there. And then, you know, that's going to be like, that's going to change everything. Right. And that's just, I mean, sure. Right.

03:03:17.700 but that also tells you something about the person seeing this if you're a writer and you think

03:03:22.560 writing is the most important thing in the world well there you have it right that's that's not too

03:03:27.040 you're you're supposed to think that you're supposed to take your craft very seriously

03:03:31.240 but on the other hand i'm allowed to be like wait a minute you know are you like a good witness or a

03:03:38.100 bad witness to this you know are you something that i you know should i put everything you say

03:03:43.120 into that bracket of okay this is a writer so of course their sort of fetishization of words or

03:03:48.400 ideas will will will be a function of this in one way or another okay and that's also why i think

03:03:54.720 good writing in one way or another has to grapple with language and get out of that problem right

03:03:59.200 where you know you're trying to get to the edge of language so that you're not trapped within the

03:04:04.320 sort of way in which language itself is a sort of a self-perpetuating system that just like

03:04:09.600 like, encapsulates the whole world, and then everything is language, right?

03:04:13.920 The great poet of our time, as he said, you know, everything is computer, right?

03:04:20.960 That's the sort of, like, the mode of how people work.

03:04:24.920 You know, if you're a programmer, everything is computer.

03:04:27.120 If you're a mathematician, everything is math.

03:04:28.920 If you're a physician or whatever, or a journalist, everything is, you know, articles or whatever.

03:04:34.580 So in that sense, that's the way in which you want to sort of have that sort of way in which this, you know, the leftists call it situation or situated reading or historical situation.

03:04:45.860 And in one way or another, this thing that you're looking at has to be grounded in reality where people are seeing it, but there's also a lot else going on.

03:04:54.500 So you just get, you know, when you have a good book, it sort of gives you enough to work with that you can infer the rest, right?

03:05:02.040 But most books don't give you that.

03:05:05.420 So you kind of have to like, you know, a lot of books are almost empty, right? 0.98

03:05:09.460 I was sort of thinking about this earlier when you said you read these bad lip shit books, right? 0.97

03:05:15.160 These sort of like enlightenment now kind of things, right? 0.98

03:05:18.740 And my compunction or inclination in the book club is not to assume it.

03:05:27.080 I mean, I'm going to assume it methodologically.

03:05:29.820 I'm going to assume that there is like a better version of this, right?

03:05:33.760 That this is the sort of like for the goyim, right?

03:05:37.460 This is the lowbrow like schlock that you're going to serve the people who can't figure this out for themselves.

03:05:44.860 Like there's sort of a pedagogical context for a lot of those sort of books that are like that.

03:05:49.900 Like white fragility is very pedagogical, right?

03:05:53.780 it's trying to sort of persuade you and give you these sort of like chill almost like kindergarten

03:06:00.080 language yeah and also it's to win a fight it's it's to argue with you the writer which is an

03:06:07.540 intention which is like it's not written because they want to get at some truth or it's even they

03:06:13.200 believe in like enlightenment now was very clearly written because stephen pinker had gotten to too

03:06:19.060 many arguments and you say i want to write a book about how i'm right it was very aggressive

03:06:23.560 in this book i'm gonna win all the arguments that i'm having on twitter and i'm just gonna you know

03:06:29.700 imagine if you could just like you know uh link a 600 page book how long is it i haven't read it

03:06:36.300 it's not that long okay yeah it's like 250 300 pages it would be more fun if it was 600 pages

03:06:44.280 so you could just link a 600 page i have you know while you were you know i've been studying the

03:06:50.100 blade here's my 600 page and that's actually how they're used because so few people read these

03:06:55.940 books they buy these books they put them in their libraries this is so i wasn't intending on bringing

03:07:01.020 this up but just recently that's a lie not recently maybe a while ago i had just discovered

03:07:06.880 that a lot of people compulsively buy books but don't read them and it seems so preposterous to

03:07:13.160 me and there's like subreddits of like oh i bought another book i'm never going to read

03:07:16.680 and he shows a stacked library of hundreds of books that he just doesn't read and that's like

03:07:23.280 i thought you buy books to read them and your library is just a place where you keep them but

03:07:28.700 they buy it to like wave it over and say no no i won the fight because look here's 400 pages that

03:07:35.200 prove i'm right i have it it's a source that they just keep around and that's one of the sort of

03:07:41.540 the most gratifying or

03:07:42.960 the most flattering things you can say about the

03:07:45.520 right.

03:07:46.940 Everything, you know, all else

03:07:49.500 being equal, they

03:07:51.340 try to, they do go against the

03:07:53.320 mainstream, right? There isn't like Wikipedia

03:07:55.380 or a local library.

03:07:57.660 You kind of have to like work out

03:07:59.380 your own little system to

03:08:01.280 refute. And

03:08:03.000 most people cope with this by becoming like

03:08:05.360 experts of some topic

03:08:07.360 or, you know, only talking

03:08:09.280 about like crime stats or

03:08:11.480 psychometrics right but but nevertheless right there is something very interesting on the ride

03:08:16.180 in this like attempt at creating something for themselves whatever like however successful they

03:08:23.100 are they still they try right they read some old books and then they like glue together some story

03:08:30.400 and then well you know that's what's interesting because to me um that's one of the best parts of

03:08:36.680 philosophy is trying to synthesize new ideas or synthesize something new and some people might

03:08:42.820 balk at that attempt saying why are you bothering but you know when we started on this journey of

03:08:49.500 reading because i used to read all the time but when i made it a problem oh you cut out again

03:08:57.300 it makes me nervous everything that are you here yeah i'm here do you want to say something in the

03:09:06.480 meantime sorry i've been oh that's normal that's uh people love to hypnotize themselves they love

03:09:15.260 to go back into plato's caves even though they got a way out uh augustine could read in his head

03:09:22.400 that was the big innovation that's another big one yeah uh what's your back yeah the enlightenment

03:09:29.340 now guy sorry he wrote a shower thoughts book that's it okay go ahead you were saying uh 0.99

03:09:34.180 prioritize reading yeah yeah um fuck every oh yeah no it's pride heart isn't on the show because 0.97

03:09:40.540 we started off this book people were always referencing books and citing them and bringing 0.99

03:09:46.320 them to conversation and i said oh i'd never read these books before and the first one

03:09:50.280 we started with two we started with the culture of critique which was very popular in our space

03:09:55.520 at the time it still is and then the other one was the bell curve about race and iq and everyone

03:10:00.740 talked about it but you know how many people actually read it so i did it and then i realized

03:10:05.940 that many people miss the most important part of that book um they focus on whatever's made into

03:10:12.660 the meme which is you know black people are like a standard deviation uh lower iq than white people

03:10:19.460 but i'm like that that's like one part of the middle of the book that that is true and accurate

03:10:25.540 but there's also a great many white people who have substandard iq and the whole point of the

03:10:30.420 book was what do we do about those people yes yeah there's more of them in the black community but

03:10:35.460 like he's a social conservative like worried about the intellectual stratification of society and it's

03:10:41.140 just it's so like it's just one chapter and that's the only thing people know about it's it's tragic

03:10:47.220 yeah and so i started doing that with other books and realizing oh so few no one's read this stuff

03:10:52.500 very few people had read spengler or eva spengler's a hard one because that's very dense and you can

03:10:57.620 get lost in that but uh most people just hadn't taken time they just were reciting memes that

03:11:03.620 they had heard right that in itself is sort of a fandom that legitimizes itself by pointing to

03:11:09.380 other books but i think that's partly what we're trying to capture here are you someone that's just

03:11:14.900 you know parroting ideas versus trying to get to the bottom of something

03:11:19.700 yeah and i think that is a great way to section into the tavistock method because everyone has

03:11:29.240 heard of the tavistock institute but no one knows what the hell is going on and the tavistock is um

03:11:34.960 do you want to do it fancy or should i no you can do tavistock all right well yeah well the

03:11:42.880 tavistock institute is a pretty i'm not going to go into the history you don't we're running out

03:11:47.100 time but um the the long and short of it is that wilford bion has this sort of system where he's

03:11:54.220 the guy who founds the system of group dynamics right so there are two aspects to the tavistock

03:12:01.500 method that we are interested in here which pertains to group dynamic dynamic specifically

03:12:07.660 and a lot of it has to do with something called group therapy right and and the point of it all

03:12:14.220 is that there are two kinds of groups and and we would say that sort of roughly that the fandom

03:12:22.220 is one of these two kinds of groups right and and that is something called the basic assumption

03:12:28.220 group and the way that we know something is a basic assumption group is basically

03:12:33.340 uh a negative diagnosis because it's not the other group and what is it the other group that

03:12:38.780 defines it does well it has a function and it's related to reality so it's in so what byam calls

03:12:46.700 it is scientific right so it has some kind of function and that means that it has to take in

03:12:53.100 some kind of feedback but that also means that there is a weight to the words used in what's

03:13:00.780 called a work group as opposed to a basic assumption group right so the pro so the problem

03:13:06.060 is that when you're talking with someone who's not in the work group then the words they use

03:13:11.820 won't really mean anything or they will only mean something in a very select uh domain right so here

03:13:19.740 we have again this concept of high and low dimension or a narrow band of dimension so in

03:13:25.500 a very specific context you can talk like this and this is the danger of the fandom because you might

03:13:31.580 end up in a position where the only people you can talk to are people who are part of your fandom

03:13:37.100 right because they are the only ones who have your language and what's so interesting then

03:13:41.820 is that this language that you have is not designed to work something out it's only

03:13:49.580 this group transmission it's designed to solve group problems it's not designed to work something

03:13:56.780 out so the reason why some or one of the reasons why someone might be in a group and then feel

03:14:03.340 like nothing really happens you know for instance the greatest example the easiest example is the

03:14:08.660 incel group the incel group what is the only thing you can't do as an incel

03:14:14.780 oh you're asking me yeah all right so what's the most uh i guess the worst thing you do in that 0.96

03:14:24.500 group is have sex or have a girlfriend yes and why because then you are no longer within that

03:14:31.840 group you have betrayed the dogma of that group that's right and but not only that but you

03:14:37.660 threatened the existence of the entire group so the incel group if you go out of what they talk

03:14:43.900 about and just look at what they do right we have this word for it revealed preference what they're

03:14:48.600 really about is not solving their condition right the only thing they're not about is solving their

03:14:55.800 condition because the only thing you're not allowed to do as an incel is to solve your

03:15:01.220 condition right yeah because then you're no longer not only are you no longer a member but you're

03:15:05.400 actually a threat to their own narrative which is that they're like you know victims of the world

03:15:12.700 or something so anyone who gets laid suddenly they're a threat to the entire existence

03:15:19.980 what i loved about bion and group dynamics because i find myself bringing him up quite often i think

03:15:25.260 it's true maybe it's a bit more complex than these two groups but there's a lot of variation in

03:15:31.340 basic assumption groups what you find it's that uh for people who haven't listened to the show

03:15:35.820 this is where you find cults of personality these are groups that can be very dogmatic as i said but

03:15:41.980 also very radical. And over time, they tend to select for the most radical adherence. Gangs are

03:15:48.920 like this as well. You'll find if they're started, you have one leader, that leader will fall

03:15:54.460 to the other leader who's the most radical about that group's beliefs, not necessarily because

03:15:59.880 they have better leadership qualities, not necessarily because they're higher IQ. They

03:16:04.400 may even be insane. They may be mentally ill. However, they are the most passionate proponents 1.00

03:16:10.540 of whatever that group represents so a lot of these groups have a filter that selects for the

03:16:15.740 most unhinged members to survive over time and i'm sure anyone could think of any number of groups

03:16:22.700 where the only reason it exists is to present increasingly you know extreme tests for those

03:16:30.860 within the group and then you know even um in that book political ponderology which i'm not

03:16:35.980 i'm sure i agree completely with it was about how uh complex systems of human organization tend to

03:16:42.540 filter for the mentally ill and he was comparing fascism to communism and things like that which i

03:16:48.940 don't necessarily think is true in all cases but it is very easy for the most psychopathic or 0.93

03:16:56.620 sociopathic to manipulate their way to the center and then in a sense transmit that mental illness

03:17:02.620 and drive everyone insane in the process or make them more like that individual right and the reason

03:17:09.820 why this pertains to the title of the show right is that this is a good way to go insane you know

03:17:17.740 you go in and you find yourself a support group and then you don't notice that the only thing

03:17:22.940 this support group doesn't want is for you to get better so that's like the that's the best way to 0.84

03:17:29.900 to go insane pretty much immediately right you want to find the place with mentally ill people

03:17:35.980 who are invested in their mental illness and the way you you know so when you're one of the

03:17:42.540 sort of things where you want to do in the book club or one of the things that we really care

03:17:46.380 about in the book club is to try to work out a sort of way to talk about and that's also why

03:17:51.740 it's these are not really shows as much as conversations because we are working on these

03:17:57.020 things. We're trying to get to a good place to, I can't really do, I can't help you, right? But I

03:18:02.640 can tell you what not to do. And what you don't want to do is to go into a group that doesn't

03:18:08.140 want you to get better, right? And there's a good reason why a group might not want you to get

03:18:15.200 better. And that is if the group's main objective is its own subsistence and secondary objective

03:18:24.060 is whatever it pretends to be right so on the other hand usually the secondary objective is

03:18:30.260 growth for the sake of growth too right well yeah yeah that's the actual like that's how we

03:18:36.220 perpetuate the group right but the but the the point is that it always has to um hide itself

03:18:44.720 as something else so you kind of instead of listening to what people say you have to really

03:18:49.180 pay attention to what they say right and contextualize it and read it otherwise you're

03:18:55.040 going to end up in a strange place and not only that but you also have to like look inside yourself

03:18:59.680 and see what is it in you that's appealing do you want you know a group you know community you know

03:19:06.300 this word community is totally poisonous right because that's the sort of like that's the standard

03:19:11.840 tell because communities don't come apart right they don't their main thing is to perpetuate

03:19:18.800 themselves and the reason why that's that might be bad or a bad sign is that on the other hand

03:19:24.240 you have the work group and the work group is designed the sort of the best uh case i've come

03:19:29.520 up with to understand what a work group is that you meet and you have a have an objective and then

03:19:35.600 the objective is met and then you dissolve right so it's never uh it's never on the agenda to

03:19:42.880 sustain the group only except insofar as it is important so that you may you know do your task

03:19:50.800 right so the work group is designed to disband itself so for instance so the best example i

03:19:55.840 can come up with is parliament parliament is is the quintessential work group in theory because

03:20:01.600 it's designed to be in session and then you dissolve it right it's not supposed to be something

03:20:07.280 you do as a career forever you know we meet because there is a problem right we meet in the

03:20:12.960 thing or the parliament and all the congress and then we solve this problem and then we go home

03:20:18.960 that's the work group right that's why it's it's scientific because it because it's really

03:20:24.560 interested in you know getting incels laid it would keep statistics right it would be interested in

03:20:31.280 and it would be interesting. I'm looking at the, the tweets and I should,

03:20:36.220 sorry, the chats and I shouldn't, um,

03:20:39.220 you're really at the same one right now.

03:20:42.320 You're you're you're really interested in your methodology,

03:20:46.860 the, the success rate, that sort of thing.

03:20:49.420 You're really interested in those things. That's the tell of a work group.

03:20:52.800 It's really interested in, in doing what it says it wants to do.

03:20:57.500 And everything else is basically, basically a basic assumption group that is a group that isn't primarily a work group.

03:21:05.920 Well, I love that you brought that up because you touched on something just there that is a big gong sound effect for a lot of people in this space, which is everyone is striving for a community.

03:21:17.480 That's a trend right now.

03:21:18.960 We need more community.

03:21:19.960 We need more networks and stuff.

03:21:21.560 But there's no talk of the qualitative aspects of those communities.

03:21:26.080 you can end up in the wrong community or a community that is predisposed to keep you

03:21:31.600 trapped there does it doesn't have your best interests in mind and it becomes you know a prison

03:21:36.880 of effectively dysgenic behavior so people shouldn't just be enthusiastic about community

03:21:43.120 as such they should know what type of community that they want and which is hard for a lot of

03:21:48.240 people who are just looking for any group to join and that's the experience of a lot of very young

03:21:53.680 people certainly wasn't my generation especially gen x before me but everyone's looking for an army

03:22:00.180 to join or a banner to fly or a templated personality to adopt you know and that's

03:22:07.300 that's why certain creators tend to do well with you know teams and guys in their early 20s

03:22:12.720 right perfect yes now i know we actually have to go and so we've actually covered quite a bit did

03:22:20.460 Do you want to get back – do you want to talk a bit more about Tavistock specifically, or is that just mainly Wilford Byer?

03:22:26.880 I mean, one thing is that – and this goes with the topic of reading – that Tavistock, on the one hand, is a system.

03:22:34.260 So, for instance, I'm going to make a poplogia for the leftists now because, for instance, you see that you have some very mentally ill people, and they all congregate in a certain space, like really mentally ill people.

03:22:46.840 do you see that one where it's like why do you as a communist communist don't own a gun right and

03:22:52.440 it's like just 200 reasons why you know i might just use it on myself they're afraid they would 0.98

03:22:58.920 kill themselves right right and and then your mind like these people are like pathetic or whatever 0.89

03:23:07.240 that might be your first inclination but i invite you to feel some sympathy and also even gratitude 1.00

03:23:12.840 because you don't have to deal with these people you know the communists are good to take all these

03:23:17.400 people in and give them a space where they basically almost don't bother anyone all things

03:23:22.280 considered right another sort of more physical description of this is that you know going back

03:23:28.680 to or you know the picture of you walking late at night in the street right you have the street

03:23:33.720 for yourself because all of these people are you know plugged in or tuned out with their tvs or

03:23:38.760 today they're they're video games or whatever right you have to be thankful in some sense that

03:23:44.840 they don't then take up space right they they're not clogging the streets they're

03:23:49.720 you know you have all this space right you have all this room because that's such a good point

03:23:55.320 if i can go on a quick tangent because i wanted to mention this earlier and then i forgot and

03:24:00.300 hopefully my mic doesn't cut out again but this is something we're discussing in your very community

03:24:05.380 And I think Ted LaFaro, who was in the chat, brought this up.

03:24:09.800 And it was something to the tune of how can you eugenically select for people who are what we might know as shape rotators, right?

03:24:20.960 People who actually have a self-awareness and a sense of self and a mind space.

03:24:24.860 Because as we've seen over the past few years, there's a great many people.

03:24:28.460 I don't know how many, but there's a great many people who lack an inner voice.

03:24:32.520 they lack the ability to conjure images in their head and rotate them. They can't picture things

03:24:38.100 or speak to themselves. And maybe they don't even have a lot of object permanence.

03:24:42.320 And I don't think it's necessarily related to IQ. I don't think it's correlated to IQ

03:24:47.100 because I think there's some people of middling to high IQ who seem to have this problem as well.

03:24:52.640 I find these are people who are really, really impressed with chat GPT. People who think chat

03:24:57.420 is like magic and they've created a new person you know they're very impressed by it but i've 0.94

03:25:04.040 seen some smart people drawn in by that so there's something going on it's not just dumb people versus

03:25:10.440 smart people there's some kind of filtering or bottleneck process unfortunately that might select

03:25:16.780 for people who might be able to solve puzzles and do math but they don't have a sense of self and

03:25:22.720 they will get totally taken in by all these distractions and these meta worlds and you know

03:25:30.100 what i mean they'll just remove themselves like that like the communists they're they've brought

03:25:34.660 themselves into a labyrinth of theory that they just get lost in and all they effectively do from

03:25:40.420 what i've seen is they form these groups and get into struggle sessions so they form these basic

03:25:45.060 assumption groups where the entire purpose is to argue with each other and pick each other apart

03:25:49.640 and psychoanalyze each other until they're all sad you know i mean that's it and and also you

03:25:55.460 will notice you know that and we've all tried this having a discussion with someone and you

03:26:01.140 know what this discussion is about but we can't use the words of that you know we have to like

03:26:08.200 talk about marxism or ideology or something but it's not a you know it's about like basic human

03:26:14.200 feelings and and sense of inadequacy or whatever like that's that's oftentimes what's going on and

03:26:20.440 and a lot of the times like everyone wants to be in a group where you know a group can survive

03:26:26.440 you know the falling of the the current the mask right the we are all in one way or another invested

03:26:32.760 in the perpetuation of the group so we all have to pretend that this is about marxism or trotskyism

03:26:40.440 or whatever right but it's it's just about like petty human squabbles but it's a feature of that

03:26:47.000 kind of group that it has to take some other language and then use that as its means by which

03:26:53.040 it gets its point across right so so we are also here like at a beginning we are at a place where

03:27:03.520 we can start to assemble a kind of conceptual schema with which you might want to explore

03:27:08.920 you know the tomlerite uh evolution of walk right right that there is something strange going on

03:27:16.020 with this way in which my uh gripes can be uh subliminated through this tactic that then

03:27:25.560 is able to uh extend beyond its domain so that that's where these things get really interesting

03:27:32.140 that in one hand you have like these people you know my friend ned kettle brings up a good point

03:27:38.260 that it's not just that groups like this contain certain people

03:27:44.040 that you wouldn't want to deal with anyway.

03:27:46.240 Yeah, that's the one.

03:27:47.560 You also have contagion.

03:27:49.680 That's the sort of problem that you have people who are, let's say,

03:27:54.340 they could go either way, right?

03:27:56.840 They're vulnerable people, and we were all vulnerable once.

03:28:01.140 Or, you know, there is a moment in every man's life

03:28:05.600 where he's a little vulnerable, right?

03:28:08.260 and that's where you know you don't want to end up down the rabble hole so that's that's good but

03:28:14.480 it's also you know i and i don't have the answers here but it's very interesting then because you

03:28:19.700 think that these places would sort of like close themselves off and not you know be able to enact

03:28:27.060 their will upon the world but that's not just what we see because there is also an ability to

03:28:33.020 spread or create these sort of mega fandoms where then these sort of like low-key mentally ill

03:28:40.280 people at scale are able to coordinate and involve us all in their mental illness right

03:28:46.360 here we have go ahead i was gonna say most importantly um i'm not going to use the word

03:28:51.960 trauma because many people in this community disagree with the existence of trauma but

03:28:57.940 i will say culturally and sociologically we bear the scars of these movements these infections

03:29:05.320 even if they eventually recede like this thing called wokeness which grew out of

03:29:10.660 maybe not kind of grew out of the tumblr phenomenon it reached its apex recently it's

03:29:15.880 kind of going away now but we're going to be stuck referencing that kind of forever like these

03:29:22.980 the whole idea we got to this in the show a while ago but memetically these ideas never leave us i

03:29:28.920 mean especially if we've been debating them for generations and and on the right we have this

03:29:34.500 dream occasionally of turning back the clock or surgically removing the contagion from our psyche

03:29:41.820 but it doesn't work like that and that's what's so dangerous but idea spreading is that if they

03:29:46.720 successfully do even if they're made unpopular even if they're made legally untenable you still

03:29:52.180 have the recollection of it that you've still changed society in some way like marxism like

03:29:58.040 marxism like we're still talking about marxism even though every communist nation failed in the

03:30:03.800 last century but it's still here almost inhabiting the ruins of it we still inhabit the ruins of so

03:30:10.820 many ideas which should tell you that isn't really marxism that you're dealing with right it's not

03:30:15.560 really you know it's it's yeah it's their deep you know almost tribal dynamics and that's the

03:30:23.600 reason why i wanted to sort of append the brief and impression of the tavistock method or the

03:30:30.700 institute is that on the one hand this is a method to dealing with people to to to take people who

03:30:37.120 are in one way or another deficient and then give them the means by which they can work so you can

03:30:42.400 sort of imagine that you have dysfunctional people and you have to make like you have to

03:30:48.940 corral them into you know despite their own natures being this or that useful thing for

03:30:56.460 you know you that you can't they're not work group people right they're not like sane and ready to

03:31:02.540 be selfless and sacrifice them for the cause because everything that they care about is this

03:31:09.700 problem that they have and that's just the way it is then you have to manage them right then you

03:31:14.740 have to give them something that you know because you don't have time to sit down with all of them

03:31:19.940 this was why i mentioned that concept of group therapy the ideal here is that they can treat

03:31:25.460 themselves right you give them the means to treating themselves but then to bion's horror as

03:31:31.380 he tries to create this you know he tries to basically industrialize psychology right so that

03:31:37.460 instead of one-on-one sessions he he wants groups to treat each other or treat themselves but what

03:31:44.900 he discovers is that they make each other worse right so there is a real like danger so you have

03:31:50.420 to do you have to take all of these things into consideration but the point i wanted to make is

03:31:54.980 that you can say that these people are evil but it's a real problem they're dealing with and i

03:32:01.460 don't think you have a better like shut down all the discord servers i don't think you're going to

03:32:07.620 make the world better necessarily like there's more to it they would just the problems that

03:32:14.020 that are contained within these dark domains would spill over and and become your problem

03:32:19.620 a lot of the time so it's you know yeah yeah it's kind of what ted lefaro he was clarifying himself

03:32:25.460 in the chat here he said how do you select for agency a much more succinct way of summarizing

03:32:30.980 what he was saying or how do you know what to select for i remember in the chat and this is

03:32:36.020 sort of getting what you were getting to which is that you know we tend to think like we can

03:32:40.500 select for these characteristics and maybe even exploit them and maybe uh i use the word eugenically

03:32:46.020 but you know make it so we replicate these characteristics in the population and i said

03:32:51.620 the only way i could think of is actually i mean i don't want to go to that level because i think

03:32:56.820 that sort of dilutes the pressing issue because this is something you can do in your own life

03:33:01.860 right you know this is something that is all around you all the time these crazy groups that

03:33:07.860 get all these crazy ideas and all of these like main objective that gets sidelined because of you

03:33:14.500 know uh drama or you know intrigue or whatever right everyone all the time are dealing with

03:33:22.100 this sort of the craziness of the world right the craziness of the modern man and a lot of the you

03:33:29.540 know the interesting thing that happened in the 20th century was that this became a sort of dominant 0.98

03:33:35.140 frame within the the elite as such right that we weren't like stupid or illiterate because they had 0.96

03:33:42.820 taught us to read right we were just crazy we were just insane right so how do we deal with 0.92

03:33:49.380 all these insane people that's why bion is trying to to create this skate this industrialization of

03:33:55.940 of psychology so that one psychologist can treat many people because you want to be able to manage

03:34:02.260 a society that more and more shows itself to be basically crazy and and everyone kind of agrees

03:34:09.300 with that diagnosis you know is it just me or is it getting crazier out there like it's not like

03:34:14.260 no one no one disagrees with that statement no but it's just that we think that we're the same

03:34:20.020 ones and they're the you know right like that's the only that's that's the one that everyone

03:34:26.660 that's the way everyone deals with it you know i'm sane but everyone else is affected by

03:34:32.580 advertising right you know like listen to yourself man i'm on telegram so i'm special

03:34:40.420 even though i'm i'm worse than the average boomer on facebook whatever yeah yeah but but it's

03:34:47.600 interesting that in a sense and we do need to get going soon but uh we were referencing the bell

03:34:54.180 curve earlier and uh what charles murray was asking is what is to be done with this group of

03:35:00.740 you know imagine the bell curve half of all the people at least are on the below average side and

03:35:07.720 on the extreme end what do you do with those in a highly in an insane society and you must reckon

03:35:13.000 with that because something bad will happen and that ties into ted's question was how do you

03:35:18.040 select for agency and it i'm sure a frustrating answer would be agency is that which selects for

03:35:24.120 itself and so i had said really leadership is and this will sound very business poisoned of course

03:35:31.560 but leadership is almost the only way to select for it because that is taking on this effective

03:35:37.080 leadership which is actually what you see in a work group you know it's not necessarily

03:35:40.920 lateral completely egalitarian oftentimes there is a leader in a work group but then they take it

03:35:47.640 upon themselves to dissolve it as well that would be that's the opposite of the cult of personality

03:35:52.440 you'd see in the basic assumption group and you can only measure an effective leader by how well

03:35:58.760 he leads the group and isn't consumed by the group because in many cases the basic assumption group

03:36:03.400 events of devouring that leader, especially if they live tyrannically for the purposes of their

03:36:08.520 own survival. So it seems to be something that reveals itself and is held to its own account by

03:36:15.720 that which it seeks to dominate, meaning that if it doesn't lead a group effectively, it'll consume

03:36:20.600 it, it'll destroy it, and these people will be washed right out. So that's how you can tell a

03:36:24.360 bad leader. But to me, that's the only way to do it. And maybe that's only 20% of people, maybe less.

03:36:30.720 and maybe that's just what it should be.

03:36:33.860 And I said the phrase eugenically

03:36:36.060 just because I was taking it to a weird extreme.

03:36:39.220 Some people would say,

03:36:40.020 how can we increase the amount of people who have agency?

03:36:42.460 And I would say, maybe you can't

03:36:44.820 and maybe you shouldn't want to.

03:36:46.940 It's not obvious to me that you should want to increase it.

03:36:49.540 I definitely want to.

03:36:50.980 I have to push back on that.

03:36:52.780 You definitely want to,

03:36:53.940 but the way to proliferate that kind of thing

03:36:58.220 is to solve people's problems.

03:37:00.720 And the good news is that a lot of the problems that tie people up, basically, right, are issues that can be solved one way or another, right?

03:37:10.040 A lot of the time, like if people stop sleeping poorly or eating well or exercising, their agency goes way up, right?

03:37:18.960 So a lot of it is just basic, like touch grass, you know, go for a walk, that kind of thing.

03:37:24.140 and and we all want you know with with a sort of preliminary attempt to answer that question how

03:37:31.660 do you select for agency well you have to have a clear of the idea of what it is and this is my

03:37:37.420 sort of attempt at it and i'm interested to hear yours if you have one but but i think the sort of

03:37:42.460 most important part is responsibility and and we don't really have time to go into this you know i

03:37:48.780 i don't want to sort of like uh snap you here but we don't have time for identity but it

03:37:53.420 but this is the moment where it kind of becomes relevant because people who lead are not you know

03:37:59.820 there's this sort of old uh what's it called like cliche that the king does not want to be king

03:38:06.860 which is sort of the best criteria for leadership material right that you don't you know you're not

03:38:13.100 really attracted to leading you're not really attracted to being king right because people who

03:38:19.420 know what it's about knows that it's a lot of work and you get blamed for everything and everything

03:38:25.180 that works on the other hand right uh you don't get credit for because people just expect everything

03:38:31.340 to work you know so so it's just thank thankless work basically but but the good news is if you

03:38:38.860 want to be work group material you have to do the work that's it right that's how you select for it

03:38:45.500 so so if you want to select people who who are material for your work group if you want to get

03:38:51.420 something done well then you have to look at their past history of getting work done and a lot of

03:38:56.060 people then you know flip out because they have all this material you know all this potential and

03:39:01.260 they've never really been able to put it into reality so they and then you ask you know have

03:39:06.700 you ever made anything and then they're like well no so and and of course there are sort of diamonds

03:39:13.580 and the raft and all of that but the best way to select for people who have agency or

03:39:20.780 there's a great comment here by malaka i genuinely feel bad for fancy he got dialogue

03:39:25.740 in the submission i do apologize for that i got hypnotized by you guys i like it's just something

03:39:31.980 about the conversation really good conversation between two people you just don't want to interrupt

03:39:34.860 because you want to hear what's next and then you're like oh crap i'm supposed to be involved

03:39:38.140 in this conversation self-conscious and i've referenced you a lot in the show too and you

03:39:43.900 have presented me a lot of fancy is one of these great people and i like keeping these people in

03:39:48.620 my community uh for the blood salad show people who would kind of check me on my own or

03:39:54.460 push back on an idea if i get too into the weeds on something and fancy very often has presented

03:40:00.140 a graph or a source that makes me completely rethink my position on something i think those

03:40:05.660 people are essential to have around and there's a lot of people out there especially if they're

03:40:09.100 content creators that don't like those people around because they conflict with whatever their

03:40:14.620 ideas are but i am free of thought i do not come with any preconceptions i want to know

03:40:21.100 uh if i'm wrong because i've been wrong before and i don't like being wrong it feels

03:40:26.540 icky you know i want to be as right as possible as fast as possible right the classic basic

03:40:33.740 assumption group at the attitude there you know yeah exactly and so unfortunately that's a great

03:40:40.060 place and unfortunately we need to go now i told these guys ahead of time that oh yeah yeah we're

03:40:44.380 doing this in in the afternoon my time this is on european time so a lot of the europeans have been

03:40:49.260 tuning in they're loving it because they're never taking care of content wise but i do need to go

03:40:54.460 pick up my son right around now so i just wanted to um thank you both for showing up and i i think

03:41:01.900 i think we gotta do this again i think we gotta do it again soon because honestly we had a list

03:41:07.100 of things we want to talk about we got to maybe two of them and we can spend hours and hours on

03:41:14.060 any any one of them so we're gonna have you back if if that fits your schedule no i i i have been

03:41:20.460 having a great time and next time i will say nothing and fancy will take the reins and then

03:41:25.660 you know we can take turns like that but just give me hypnotism and magic for the uh categories

03:41:31.420 or for the the jeopardy categories oh that sounds good i can hit those that's going to be good i

03:41:37.340 can't wait to talk about that yeah all right thank you again guys for showing up and thank

03:41:41.680 you for everyone for tuning in and we'll see you all next time thank you for listening thank you

03:41:46.080 hey baby i hear the blues are calling

03:41:49.360 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you

Blood Satellite - September 12, 2025

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