00:23:13.480You know, for this type of event, we controlled every aspect of it.
00:23:17.860So we just rented this massive cabin with many, many rooms and single beds, queen beds, bunk beds, different tickets for different types of beds.
00:23:26.780And you bought the tickets in advance, obviously.
00:23:29.420And there was amenities, there's kitchens, there's washrooms.
00:23:32.640because to me we were joking that what we originally wanted to do was a camping event
00:23:37.740and we probably want to do that again next year but uh we decided to do this because it was safer
00:23:43.760because early on there was talk of women coming and people bringing their women and i just know
00:23:49.420with women um having a washroom is very very important so i said let's play it safe let's
00:23:54.940get a place where there's actually fucking washrooms and windows and deck and we can have fun but we
00:23:59.580also have access to the woods and everything and um those women ended up not being there which is
00:24:04.920good because it turns out a lot of people were hoping for a boys weekend yeah which is what it
00:24:10.440was and it was great it was yeah and um so we handled every aspect of it including the food
00:24:17.220including the snacks including the drinks we just brought everything and and judas was instrumental
00:24:22.140in helping get that set up look look this guy dimes was in the kitchen the entire time did you
00:24:31.080even go did you did go to the beach one time but i think dimes was in the kitchen cooking he cooked
00:24:36.440like at least half of the meals mr manager here so you well yeah because and then it was hot
00:24:42.260because they didn't have air conditioning so you you'd spend a long time cooking and then you just
00:24:45.580need to go decompress on the porch and just fucking have a drink and smoke a cigarette or
00:24:50.820something and then uh but then there's other like everyone else was kind of breaking off and doing
00:24:56.400their own thing so we had someone there who brought fishing poles so there's multiple outings
00:25:02.040to go fishing in the lake with all kinds of lake access there was you know you and me went fucking
00:25:07.820chasing grouses into the trees at one point um people went swimming in the lake and then there
00:25:14.280was yeah all kinds of shit but the one thing i really wanted to do and we didn't get to do it
00:25:21.160was have a big bonfire yeah because as i was driving in it was just me and the fucking suv
00:25:30.340stuffed with just food from front to back and as i'm driving up i just keep seeing
00:25:38.320giant red sign after giant red sign screaming no fires total fire ban and i said huh i wonder who
00:25:47.760that's for and at first i saw one i'm like okay i mean i'm still an hour and a half out so maybe
00:25:54.120it's just this region and i kept i kept seeing them exponentially it seemed and then i was trying
00:25:59.780to haggle with the owner and we were trying to come up with a scheme where okay it's not a bonfire
00:26:04.600however if you have a fire in an enclosed metal container like a barrel it counts as a barbecue
00:26:11.480so maybe we could have a barrel fire then i'm wondering i don't i don't know if a barrel fire
00:26:16.120works for this crowd no oh yeah so yeah i mean and it was fair because it was a severe drought
00:26:22.760in this region of ontario all summer and it it's just it's a serious concern there's a lot of
00:26:28.660things like you said we did so many things axe throwing and the canoes and swimming and
00:26:35.140yeah we did you axe throwing we did a lot but like the reason i brought up actually the axe
00:26:39.740throwing was it was a last minute thing that i threw together because it made the list
00:26:43.880and it wasn't it wasn't that great because i'm not i literally just pulled a bunch of axes and
00:26:47.780shit out of my garage and made a target and i don't think i don't think a single person got
00:26:51.700one in it was fun we're drinking and throwing shit but you know but the reason i brought it up
00:26:56.380is because next year we're going to do it correctly and the fire thing you can get like a
00:27:01.660brazier like a meter and a half wide steel bin with a grill over top those are legal even during
00:27:08.580a fire ban to my understanding that would be something we should invest in for next year
00:27:13.040because if we're holding it at the same time there's going to be a fire ban again because
00:27:17.100this is happening like all more than 50 of the summers the past 10 years have been droughts like
00:27:22.320this you're gonna get a fire band so let me just say when it comes to axe throwing don't be so hard
00:27:27.120on yourself if you go to an axe throwing place it's the same thing oh really most of the time
00:27:32.860people don't hit what it like it takes a long time for people to get the hang of it right right um
00:27:38.000it's more about like just how far back you pull it and then just how you release like it's weird
00:27:44.700and so there's always axes bouncing everywhere and the way we were doing it was just in a bed
00:27:51.320of leaves so every time you hit you didn't hit or even if you did hit or bounced off you're looking
00:27:58.700for the axe you lost the axe yeah it's 15 there's no way to tell where it went yeah but yeah um i i
00:28:07.620had a phenomenal time and a lot of oh yeah fucking meta prime was there too sorry i forgot i'm trying
00:28:13.060to like go through the faces the one thing my one my one my one review which was kind of similar to
00:28:19.520said about the december event but even more true at this one you'd mentioned that there were people
00:28:24.080from all different walks my fear going up was that i kind of knew some of the people that were
00:28:29.020coming i'm saying okay you got like some younger you know like you said sensitive young men like
00:28:34.400discord guys from universities at toronto and then you've got some like we had some uh some
00:28:39.340construction boys from ohio and we had some some like cool guys from different walks of life older
00:28:44.400guys and we had like you said some absolutely jacked guys and these people are not going to
00:28:48.420get along but the reality of it was we had 20 dudes there for like 70 hours and everybody was
00:28:56.980circling through conversation and i fit like there wasn't anybody there that i didn't actually
00:29:02.480sit down with and have a good conversation there wasn't anybody there that i wished wasn't there
00:29:07.500and i i was at to be honest with you i was surprised i was surprised by that because i
00:29:12.820don't always get along with people because i it was when i go and i'm very anxious too because
00:29:17.440i'm thinking there's a thousand ways the vibe can be off yeah someone people are drinking people are
00:29:24.180showing up with beers and liquor and you're thinking everyone's kind of chill at the start
00:29:29.300but once the drinks start flowing uh maybe someone brought other illicit substances and then you don't
00:29:35.220know you don't know who you're getting who's on coke i don't fucking know and you're thinking
00:29:38.680once it goes to anything maybe there's a fight maybe there's a screen match none of that that's
00:29:43.260a good point too because for all the bullshit that everybody talks the only drugs that were there
00:29:46.680was beer and cigarettes i think the whole weekend nobody i didn't at least the not that i noticed
00:29:51.700that nobody was fucking high which i'm glad like i i hadn't even thought about it but that that
00:29:55.920would have really thrown it off for me i i frankly i don't like being around fucking i don't even
00:30:00.140think there was weed because i don't think i smelled weed once i don't think so i don't think
00:30:03.380so which just being nice in the woods if you're a white man by any body of water by at all you're
00:30:11.600gonna be drinking and someone's gonna have hash and then they didn't so that was impressive but
00:30:18.240um the two two things i wanted to say about the event one it's that i did something that's so
00:30:24.420embarrassing but i'm not embarrassed by it when we went down to the dock a whole crew of us went
00:30:30.620down to the docks and sat under the starry night sky gorgeous right and then immediately after we
00:30:38.700sit there i think it was be used asked so you think aliens exist
00:30:43.120it's the most like bog standard thing but also what what else can you do in that situation
00:30:52.920you know what i mean and then everyone got into it every because everyone's thinking the same
00:30:58.800you're looking at we're having like five parallel conversations about aliens there at like midnight
00:31:02.760yeah yeah that was the best i fucking love that but it's it's such like a fucking textbook thing
00:31:08.200to do a bunch of like white guys like just immediately talking about aliens and it's funny
00:31:13.080because there's the site there were a lot of chinese people there that's what i was gonna
00:31:17.800get you next that's we were we actually were just ballsy we like dominated the dock so all of us
00:31:23.200went down on the dock but then on the beach behind us were all these chinese families and like we're
00:31:28.740like i think i didn't hear a peep out of them but they were all watching the stars too but we were
00:31:34.260all being quite loud and drunk on a on a floating dock i just hear like cans getting crushed against
00:31:41.600people's foreheads and cigarettes being flicked in the water and shit just talking about you know
00:31:48.760the three body problem ironically yeah but yeah so that's the other thing i wanted to address
00:31:53.480that you know i had hooked up the entire event i was the one who was liaising with the the owners
00:31:59.580of it and i was aware that they were chinese and or i can tell from their typing that it's an esl
00:32:07.580situation and then as i was looking at the images they're sending me everything was english then
00:32:13.740translated into some chinese language i thought okay there's at least one chinese person involved
00:32:20.460in this then as we're getting closer and we're driving in the place it's just like a chinese camp
00:32:29.580like it's like a hundred percent like it's made for chinese people and i'm dealing i'm meeting
00:32:35.180with the woman who runs it and she has a very loose grasp of english right but it seems like
00:32:41.180this is like a like just a slice of china place right yeah i don't look i was so here's the thing
00:32:47.500i know what the next topic is and i was going to launch into it there but i'll touch on it here a
00:32:51.580little bit um yes but it's not like we fell into a trap if anything they would probably
00:32:59.340want to ally with us but i do believe i strongly believe there's evidence that canada specifically
00:33:07.740is under attack by fifth columns from a number of other international governments and the way
00:33:12.860that they do it is they buy up land under like shell companies for like educational or religious
00:33:19.340purposes and they and they're i'm not saying they're like militia training camps but they
00:33:25.020if you understand how those foreign governments work specifically china but india as well
00:33:29.340those companies are not private companies they're they're owned by the by the foreign governments
00:33:34.140so you actually do have and this is just because our government is so lax and weak and we're we're
00:33:39.540such a poor country politically um yeah so yeah do i think that that that was just a totally random
00:33:48.020weird piece of forest in haliburton that's owned by a chinese family no that's almost certainly
00:33:53.100an arm's length branch of the chinese intelligence apparatus i think i remember at one point they had
00:34:01.300asked us to put our names down on a piece of paper just for i guess well i mean that's typical of
00:34:09.180but also everyone just signed fake names and like who gives a shit also there's like 25 rooms in
00:34:16.660there and there was room for eight names on the sheet which i i don't think they cared that much
00:34:21.220yeah i didn't care so but that's what i was gonna say it was like we didn't have any problems with
00:34:24.660them money was paid no complaints we're two weeks out everything's fine nothing's happened so you
00:34:32.500know one thing we were considering is like maybe that's good because any other airbnb that would
00:34:38.500be in an urban area you're probably getting no i'm not saying probably like i you certainly get
00:34:44.180more inquiries on what type of event this is who's involved what's this organization
00:34:50.100these people were a dream to deal with i actually don't think they cared and so i don't know i just
00:34:55.300had that in the back of my mind and also everything was like clean and maintained well and they stayed
00:34:59.540out of our fucking hair yeah um she only texted me once because apparently one night someone was
00:35:04.900on the porch screaming i never figured what that was about but no he was i was out there he was
00:35:10.960screaming who was who was it what happened it was a i don't want to i don't want okay no it was the
00:35:16.540one guy the one guy who's like to drink and then he goes got excited he got loud we're goofing off
00:35:22.140and he just wasn't controlling his volume was he reciting his favorite blood satellite bits
00:35:26.980no no he was just literally like we're all joking around he's like what what like but just too loud
00:35:33.780and it's a porch that carries across to the other cabins so i i wanted to also get into i know we're
00:35:40.280over half an hour at this point but i don't know anything about where you were last week not really
00:35:48.020so last week you were out of the province entirely and you you just left me a fucking post-it note
00:35:55.940on the fridge saying you're going to build a house so what tell the good people what happened
00:36:04.120so i'm i uh there was a dude this is related in a number of ways the first way is this is a guy
00:36:10.000that i met at the december event these events are great networking you meet cool people i met a guy
00:36:15.380who is um i wouldn't say he's a fan of 40 but he's a canadian nationalist who had found fortisax
00:36:23.280and came to the december event to meet people and we're talking and he's a homesteader he's
00:36:29.480actually he does a lot of things related to um i don't want to go into detail but anyways i'll
00:36:33.840just say he's a homestead yeah and let me just say we're going to avoid a lot of or any identifying
00:36:38.960information yeah but uh i just want to know i have an image in my head of what you were doing
00:36:44.160you know actually like building an actual house in the middle of the fucking woods
00:36:50.320yeah i'll send you a picture later it's pretty cool actually so the idea was is he you know i've
00:36:56.380been talking to him dms for a while after that just kind of keeping in touch and we're in some
00:36:59.860chats together so i talked to him on telegram and then it came up at that time he wasn't even in
00:37:04.320canada and he comes back to canada and he's like dude i'm in pei he's not from pei he's from
00:37:08.400ontario and he's like dude i'm in pei and uh i just bought a piece of land and we're we're building
00:37:14.100a homestead and i'm gonna do x y and z and essentially all the shit that i want to do
00:37:18.020but this fucking guy the balls on this guy he's just like i'm doing it he's got a wife he's got
00:37:22.160a he's got a young son and he's just like we're in the sticks now and we're we're just fucking
00:37:26.340doing it and i'm like dude that's my dream if you need any help let me know and i'm gonna come help
00:37:32.560you i just said that and he's like well when you're coming so i'm like all right well we haven't had
00:37:38.680a family vacation yet so i mean it's it's favor russian roulette i made a i made a i made a plan
00:37:43.920out of it no but i was i was serious i don't say shit i'm not i'm german enough to to not say that
00:37:48.500let me just say that a comment to your character is that judas frequently offers help to me and he
00:37:55.740always does it you never get the sense that he's just saying it as a pleasantry or just to end the
00:38:02.960conversation oh i'll fucking do it you watch your snuff i'll i'll i'll fucking do it yeah and that
00:38:08.720that was wild for me because i often do it just to end a conversation i'd say like yeah we wish
00:38:14.660him well actually i guess so just it's uh you know segue not not segue a sidebar that i did
00:38:22.240learn that from working seven years with my german buddy who nailed me with that all the time say
00:38:28.400why don't you come over to my place after for beers and he would he would go he would go dead
00:38:32.360silent i'd look me and he's like don't fucking say that unless you mean it you fucking americans
00:38:37.600and you canadians and you englishmen say that shit to end a conversation and it's incredibly rude
00:38:42.120if you if you say goodbye or invite me back to your place but if you invite me back to your
00:38:46.900place i'm fucking coming and we're having beers i'm like all right so i do and i you know what i
00:38:51.500like that i think that's something we should adopt don't say it unless you mean it so so i mean it
00:38:55.280anyway so we we made a germans really implant german-ness in you when you're good i like
00:39:00.820germans germans are pretty cool um family trip we stopped in montreal on the way down and then we
00:39:07.460stayed overnight in frederickton it was like a 15 hours total but i think it took us took us a day
00:39:12.020and a half to get there because i have small kids stayed in charlottetown drove out to buddy's place
00:39:17.400the girls toured around for a while while while i hung uh hung out with him and we did all kinds
00:39:22.200of stuff we helped him with his solar setup i did traditional cedar shake shingles i don't know if
00:39:28.480you've seen pictures of houses in pei in the maritimes they don't use uh like like regular
00:39:33.500board batten paneling or plastic they use cedar they're like and cedar shakes are not even this
00:39:38.880is wood corner for a sec cedar shakes are not like cut pieces of wood they have a way of splitting
00:39:44.000wood so that you've got a rectangular piece that is slightly tapered it's thinner at one end than
00:39:48.300the other yeah when you nail them all into the wall it kind of slopes out from the wall like
00:39:52.540scales and the water runs off of the wood so i was actually installing looks like a medieval type
00:39:58.100house oh dude yeah it's like this is this is a very very old way of building it's very traditional
00:40:02.020and that's part kind of this dude's ammo a lot of stuff he does is very very like traditional
00:40:07.640and in line with um traditional canadian folkways and ways of building which is another reason i
00:40:12.940wanted to to help with it and see what's going on so yeah i mean that was it was honestly an
00:40:17.360excellent experience so uh loved it loved it and the one thing i said to him just the day as we left
00:40:23.120we're working on it i'm saying like you know i was only up for for for i mean it's just for me
00:40:28.340it's a six-day trip i was only there for three days to help but if i'm willing to do this i'm
00:40:33.880gonna get you in a couple years to help me with it but why is it just us why can't we why can't
00:40:39.360we get other people doing this like if if we had 50 guys who each did this once a year or twice a
00:40:45.260year especially if you're closer you could get so much done we don't even have to like we don't
00:40:49.460have to live in a fucking commune or anything we can actually just help each other i mean yeah
00:40:52.840so that's why i wanted you to tell this story and this was really what we were trying to accomplish
00:40:57.740with these events not only to bring people together to meet their favorite creators or to
00:41:03.940discuss larger topics of canadian identity and nationalism and things of that nature but it's to
00:41:09.800um forge real bonds and build trust with people and it's a lot of people say things like that
00:41:16.460these days and it sounds pretentious it sounds fake right i mean how many other grifters out
00:41:21.720there i mean fuck just uh just to think of one there's this conference and i'm giving this
00:41:29.680conference as an example because the thing we're trying to do is diametrically opposed to this
00:41:33.920and i showed you this it was run by this group called we unify oh i think you just go to we
00:41:39.920unify yeah unify.ca it's their fourth animal reclaiming canada conference it's actually in
00:41:47.620i think a few days as of this recording and it's a massive conference with from the looks of it
00:41:56.340dozens of speakers and it's split into different days and then each day it's a different topic so
00:42:06.420it's exactly the thing you don't want to do because a good event is a focused event
00:42:09.940this it's like i'm fucking on saturday we're talking it's the health day so it's like an
00:42:14.740anti-vax thing it's you know it's an rfk junior thing and the day after that it's uh faith we're
00:42:21.620We're going to figure out spirituality.
01:10:35.000i could say from a place of of caring and a place of positivity i really wish thomas sewell would
01:10:43.220stop punching people in the face because that that's that's the one thing they're looking out
01:10:49.280for and um that i i would hate for him to make it easy for the people who want to throw him in jail
01:10:55.860for 75 years because if all i'm saying is like you got a whole bunch of guys many of them have
01:11:04.200masks and shades you're in the front you're the most identifiable person out there you know gets
01:11:10.440get some of your guys to rough the people up some of the guys who can maybe get away with it even if
01:11:16.040they got the face masks on that's one thing patriot fronts got going for them like you're not i don't
01:11:20.760think you're going to see thomas rousseau jumping in the mix to scrap and it's not because he can't
01:11:26.760it's not because he doesn't know how to fight it's because he's got a bunch of masked henchmen by
01:11:31.160way guys these are henchmen organizations everything you're surrounded by henchmen and
01:11:36.680that's good the best henchmen in the biz let the henchmen do their work you don't need to go to jail
01:11:43.320for eight years because the fact that you're not there already is almost a miracle so i'd hate
01:11:48.440just don't make it easy for them i said i actually said exactly what you said two days ago and i want
01:11:54.840to play devil's advocate for a minute maybe the reason that i because i do feel that way everything
01:12:00.440you just said maybe the reason i feel that way is because i also have a family and a kid and i don't
01:12:06.920want actually to sacrifice my family to move the system forward i'm kind of coping and saying
01:12:14.660there's probably a way i can do this where i don't have to sacrifice my family and so that's what i'm
01:12:18.720doing and in doing so i'm like i'm projecting it onto him and saying well you're you're dumb if you
01:12:24.300do it but you know what um that's maybe that's not fair maybe it's his it's his family to sacrifice
01:12:32.600that is true also i don't want to say he's dumb no no i'm not saying he's dumb but like i was
01:12:37.360making the same criticism that like i love everything he's doing he's he he's moving the
01:12:41.560needle more than anybody and i'm just worried i'm worried about the guy i love the guy i'm worried
01:12:46.380about his wife i'm worried about his kids like this it's not it's if he goes to prison for five
01:12:51.040years but then it's like okay well it's not my place to worry about his fucking wife it's his
01:12:56.720job to worry about his wife he's made the decision and we should be thankful that he's made the
01:13:03.080decision he has because by all rights what they're doing to him right now as of today
01:13:06.280he is becoming a march they're turning him into a global martyr which is going to be a huge benefit
01:13:12.280to us as much as it's probably a tragedy for his family to give another example someone else who
01:13:17.420i've seen doing this was jeremy mckenzie the raging dissident i remember he went to some
01:13:22.480large protest i think was like even about him or something and he was just there you know with his
01:13:28.800his girlfriend morgan may saying oh who wants to come fucking talk to me who's got something to say
01:13:33.880like throwing down and then a few again pudgy junkie nobody's came up and started to
01:13:40.560start chanting they just start chanting at you and try and box you in and these these tactics
01:13:46.300to make you feel enclosed but also trying to eject you from the thing and i think he did kind
01:13:51.820of square up at one point he's ready to fight so the fact of the matter is if they can imprison or
01:13:59.020cut off the head from these organizations that really does more damage than i think people
01:14:03.980are giving credit for there's all these fantasies that oh if if this person goes in jail then the
01:14:09.180organization or whatever can run without them i'm like it that almost never happens if we're
01:14:14.220being realistic it's it's very hard to find leadership qualities it just is maybe if they
01:14:21.320actually get people if they get tom they get him in there for five years or something do you think
01:14:25.640that might be the end of wa temporarily i think it takes the wind out of their sails completely i
01:14:30.100think it's it's very difficult to bring men together and to control men and you can gain
01:14:36.980loyalty but if you've got a momentum and they stop that momentum they get's you're dealing with a lot
01:14:43.580of and again i have no insight into how these organizations are run from the inside of course
01:14:49.780but just knowing the types of men they're dealing with a lot of them can peel away a lot easier than
01:14:54.960you think it would just they if they get the leadership then these things like if he if he
01:15:00.340took nick fuentes and imprisoned him is there an america first fucking no you know what i mean like
01:15:05.600i'm not saying these are cults of personality but i'm saying this the charismatic leadership
01:15:11.340figures are so central to these like i just don't think they really survive that much without them
01:15:16.460yes but the other thing like thomas school is getting in trouble for is like going to a
01:15:21.560fucking park and speaking to a politician saying why aren't i allowed to protest and they're trying
01:15:27.740to say that there's a cost but he's in there's no way that will stick there's no way like he
01:15:33.020literally was like 10 15 meters away from her he wasn't even approaching her he was just shouting
01:15:37.360victoria's premier was ambushed at a press conference in melbourne this morning
01:15:42.880by notorious neo-nazi thomas sewell he arrived and began hickling jacinda allen before she was
01:15:49.780quickly rushed away and she had five guys physically assault him before he even got
01:15:57.040close if anything they should be charged it's insane but i mean here we are i mean look i think
01:16:01.380australia's justice system is about as broken as ours exactly and that's my fear is that
01:16:06.960One thing that we were discussing also is, and I mentioned this when I was speaking to another content creator who I interviewed recently, Wilhelm Apologist, who we talked about, attended the events as well.
01:16:21.640But we were talking about, I think as of today, there's been seven candidates from AFD in Germany, alternative for Germany, sort of the right wing party over there.
01:16:35.320some people have a problem with them but like seven of their candidates have died under mysterious
01:16:41.980circumstances here are the names of the six who died not the seventh included in this and their
01:16:50.620cause of death so you have ages ranging from 59 to 72 there are two that we don't know the age of
01:16:57.480one was uh one was deemed a self self ending one was and the rest are sudden and unexpected
01:17:04.720or kidney failure but it seems that some of them might have had pre-existing health conditions
01:17:09.700okay given this scenario given these circumstances what is the chance that it would be all due to
01:17:17.700natural causes how how often would you expect something like this to happen and it gave me
01:17:23.800a result back that was anywhere between depending on certain variables the highest chance that you
01:17:30.760would have of all of this happening normally it gave a one in a hundred so quite low chances
01:17:36.800but still possible with different variables it said it could go anywhere as low as one in 42
01:17:42.720million that's that's and i've heard some people say like it's just a coincidence there's no
01:17:48.240evidence of foul play to me it's statistically impossible that there's not foul play what are
01:17:55.380the fucking odd when has that ever happened except in mexico when we know it was assassinations we
01:18:02.400know it was foul play so you've got in germany all of the far-right candidates are just dropping
01:18:08.600dead right around the same time so that the you know narrative that we're going with the one the
01:18:15.080only one that makes sense is that they are political assassinations so if you do everything
01:18:19.700right if you operate within the system if you start a legal party and it just turns out that
01:18:25.600you're getting too popular they'll just fucking kill you that's why there's we always say there's
01:18:31.640no political solution it's not because we think we're not persuasive it's that we think we are
01:18:37.320extremely persuasive and then they just throw you in prison or fucking poison you or shoot you or
01:18:42.840whatever it is and this isn't in mexico it's in germany if it's not that explain to me how how
01:18:49.460this happened it doesn't make any sense otherwise so in australia or canada whether it's the nsn
01:18:57.640or any other group or diagonal or whatever the real concern is unless you're protecting yourself
01:19:03.540they will eventually they'll just shoot you in the fucking head and you know maybe it's less
01:19:09.460likely in canada but like why not like they if if what you are threatening is the system if what
01:19:17.700you're threatening is their revenue stream which is just infinity indians and that is what we're
01:19:24.280doing it's a true revolutionary movement and at targeting multiple levels of society you know
01:19:31.780these people's livelihoods and sometimes even lives probably feel threatened what wouldn't they
01:19:37.220do i don't know you know they're they are they are going to be violent yeah absolutely don't
01:19:44.140don't tell me that they wouldn't it's like we've got people you know the the coots six all these
01:19:49.240people on trial still for the trucker protest they're just they'll make up crimes they'll get
01:19:53.520you at you know the infiltration is the best case scenario man i'm so there's the afd um the afd
01:20:02.320assassinations but then even in canada i don't know if you heard about this guy that was um
01:20:06.740died during a botched home invasion in vaughn what was it this past week i don't know if you
01:20:12.560heard about this but they posted about it and like the first thing they posted was some info
01:20:18.480and then they redacted it all but it was a guy who was a very very close personal friend of
01:20:24.060rob ford and uh up then if you see the footage of the home invasion it's three guys with guns
01:20:32.180drawn kick the door down go into the house kill the man take all of the cell phones from everyone
01:20:39.380and within about three minutes they're back out of the house and in the car and then they had
01:20:43.940thrown the cell phones out the window down the road about 10 minutes later so like to me again
01:20:49.280that's probably an assassination i don't know how you call that a home invasion they didn't
01:20:54.480take anything they'll call a home invasion because in the vaguest sense that's true a home
01:21:00.240was invaded and people don't like you like you'll never hear anyone in the western world
01:21:06.300except in the exception of trump saying it was like an assassination right that was a home invasion
01:21:12.360it was just a carjacking a technically correct i guess right and and look the guy that was killed
01:21:18.400was some fucking persian money man and i hate rob ford and i this guy probably deserved to
01:21:22.660fucking die i don't care but the point is that this shit happens all the time and it passes
01:21:28.300through the news cycle as home invasion and then disappears or random so just some random dude was
01:21:33.680killed during a home invasion no he wasn't that was a political assassination by the elite that's
01:21:37.920perfect for taking care of people like us because you can hire any black any brown guy and even if
01:21:46.580they get caught they say oh well you know what you probably killed them because there's far right
01:21:50.460views which is kind of justifiable if you think of it and then all the journalists nod their heads
01:21:55.120and then it's gone so you for people like us yeah you could pay a fucking a black gangbanger to do
01:22:03.320and there's already like a level of acceptance that we would have deserved it so like tell me
01:22:09.540why that wouldn't happen you can you can make the argument that maybe didn't happen in this instance
01:22:14.400but why would it never happen even expensive and as the economy continues to collapse and people
01:22:19.300get more desperate it's probably not even that hard to find people who are willing like are
01:22:25.100stupid enough to throw their lives away on these assassination plots i mean like the the trigger
01:22:30.040man right it's probably not that hard to find a suicidal trigger man in 2025 in toronto the only
01:22:37.840way out of this in my view at least is to scale up fast is to do what the trucker protested which
01:22:46.160is what they did in australia which is what they're trying to do in america and i don't think
01:22:50.700they've had a protest like this in america yet but they probably could it's going on the uk right
01:22:57.020now too. The UK is a ticking time bomb right now. England is like right on the blade's
01:23:05.660edge of turning into like total civil war in my opinion.
01:23:10.180In some parts of England, everywhere you look, there are St George's and Union Jack flags.
01:23:16.500It's the ripple effect of what started as a movement in the Midlands. So, is this pride
01:23:22.400or prejudice. The Brickfields area of Worcester is covered in flags. Carla's part of a group
01:23:29.980putting them up. It's all about bringing the communities together. It's about love, peace,
01:23:35.060unity. Nothing to do with racism, as people keep stating. But this has brought people
01:23:41.080out. Everyone's coming out. And a lot more people are voicing their opinions now. Obviously
01:23:47.320about illegal immigration undocumented males when you see all of these flags all of these
01:23:53.880st george's flags around here can you understand why some people might be a bit intimidated by that
01:23:59.080no thousands of protesters have taken to the streets across the uk angry over the number
01:24:06.060of asylum seekers being housed in hotels a whopping 32 000 people that's an increase of
01:24:13.5608% since last year. Here's some of the reaction from angry Brits.
01:24:19.800Sama, and I will say this, is a complete traitor. He should not be ruling this country. He's got no
01:24:26.000time for the true British people, and I don't care if they lock me up for saying that. I've
01:24:30.180worked my arse off in this country, and these come here, and they get this. These aren't coming
01:24:37.120through the legal channels, and the government and that know that. Send them straight back.
01:24:41.820that's what we learned if there's enough people i think if it's just a show of numbers
01:24:46.700there's people like uh a lot of the elite theorists would disagree with that because
01:24:51.580i remember many of the elite theory types during the trucker protests in canada they had said
01:24:57.780this was a failure because it revealed a new strategy to the system to the cathedral
01:25:03.640and they'll just learn from that and clamp down on it next time so any big showing any populist
01:25:10.820revolt unless it completely one shots the system and all of the elites it just strengthens the
01:25:17.640system which i don't agree with and i think i think it does spook the people who should be
01:25:23.020spooked though the question is does that mean more persecution and oppression we shall see
01:25:29.680in australia but i suspect not i really think that those in power are surveying the landscape
01:25:36.740right now and they know they've lost control they don't know what to do with this i think
01:25:40.720they're actually going to try and bargain with these groups like like you said when you see
01:25:45.260so many people slapping hands with you know unapologetic and open nazis because that doesn't
01:25:52.500work anymore calling people nazis first of all it stopped working on conservatives right right
01:25:56.800because they just said fuck you i know i'm not but then there's also people who are nazis and
01:26:02.240saying fascist you are fascist and they go yeah tom still is is the perfect the perfect example
01:26:08.960because he he's a tall white handsome well-spoken australian guy who literally does mainstream
01:26:15.920television interviews that he ends with heil hitler so he's he's much more white nationalist
01:26:21.680much more you know hitlerian than we are we're just regular canadian nationalists we're not even
01:26:27.760big hitler no everybody loves hitler but like we're not hitler guys he's he's actually a hitler
01:26:32.960guy he's like the son and rad you know swastika mr white nationality he's white australia right
01:26:38.880so the fact that you had that many people looking him in the eye to me exactly who he was and they're
01:26:44.000like yeah buddy big high five i think that's the inflection point which is nazi doesn't work
01:26:51.120anymore and we've known that for a few years nobody cares what nobody even knows or cares
01:26:54.960what that word means now all i know is you're the guy tom you're the guy who is standing up for my
01:27:00.880nationality and for my children and for the future of my of my ethnicity and of my people and of my
01:27:06.320folk and that's what i was saying about the opportunities presented by australia because
01:27:10.880i don't know how many other people are over there just doing far right or even white advocacy the
01:27:17.760problem is that there's quite a few people in canada who are off-ramps who will same thing
01:27:22.960with america it's so hard to get these sorts of nerves going in america because it's so high
01:27:28.220competition there's so many of these centers of gravity that are designed to drag you away
01:27:34.980towards pro-zionism or towards pro or like like the james lind guys who are right wing but also
01:27:42.340like james lindsey which is like you know i hate the wokeness i hate all that racism but
01:27:47.520i hate white people advocating for their interests even more and that deflates a lot of things like
01:27:53.440there's so many trip wires in america it's so hard to navigate that but i don't know if that
01:27:58.140exists in new zealand i don't know if that exists in ireland right now there's probably
01:28:03.140more opportunity in ireland even though ireland is full of it just seems like a lot of like ireland
01:28:09.300seems like mostly fat women okay i don't know i've seen a lot of great stuff i've seen a lot of
01:28:15.660it's like keith woods and then like the fattest women who are just like you know
01:28:21.820the they're because all all the fat women over here i don't know what you know the europeans
01:28:27.820thing everyone's on ozampic fat women don't exist anymore over here we don't have them
01:28:34.700that megan trainer woman like the one i saw america you mean celebrities i mean i'm out in
01:28:41.420the streets and i'm seeing them all the time they're gonna be gone they're gonna be extinct
01:28:45.660we're gonna get rid of them someone showed a picture of lena dunham who's still bloated
01:28:50.860his shit someone said to for those in an age of ozempic being that fat is kind of a flex
01:28:55.340okay that's true exactly it's actually kind of aristocratic but you're seeing like all these
01:29:03.600women who like made their personalities on being the healthy at every size like they're skinning
01:29:07.460out fake tits and it turns out all you needed was this one thing no no one wanted to be fat
01:29:11.840no one actually wanted to be so we're getting rid of fat bitches but they're they're just
01:29:16.660all in in ireland still talking about they see what's going on but they say we should we should
01:29:23.080try muslims we should try i hear i hear a lot of chatter about indians give them a shot give them
01:29:31.440a shot maybe maybe they like huge misty cliffs while we're on the topic and we were talking
01:29:40.100about the differences between the canadian situation and australian because i've been
01:29:43.880looking this up earlier talk you know in the context of my trip the distance from victoria
01:29:48.240to brisbane which is kind of the south to the north of the populated southeastern portion of
01:29:54.600australia is about 1600 kilometers which is a roughly the same distance from new brunswick to
01:30:02.380saint john's it's the maritimes so like the populated component of australia which is itself
01:30:09.280just over half the population of canada is just the maritimes of canada so we're talking about
01:30:15.640population distribution we have twice as many people but they're spread over something like
01:30:21.160five to ten times the area and spread in a straight line whereas the australians are kind
01:30:26.700of like an oval they have like a nice it looks to me from the population i do have a population
01:30:33.420map up here it looks like a slightly flatter more oval section of dispersed population whereas we
01:30:40.100literally just follow the american border across and then we're split into like vancouver montreal
01:30:45.420toronto and the maritime so another yeah i'd say another thing to consider is again i'm i'm just
01:30:51.420speaking into my hat right now but i don't know the history of the far right in australia so i
01:30:59.900don't know if there's been many fits and starts like when i think of far-right politics in britain
01:31:08.220there's been so many attempts over the past over a century right and so i think and this is
01:31:16.940unfortunate to say but there's a real weariness towards far-right politics now even those who are
01:31:24.140in this space we just have the memory especially in america like how many groups have been started
01:31:29.660over the past hundred years that failed not even because they were infiltrated not because they
01:31:34.540were subverted by the fbi or wherever they didn't help of course but they just fell under their own
01:31:39.820weight or due to mismanagement or and every single time it gets smaller and smaller and smaller
01:31:45.660remember the kkk used to boast millions upon millions of members william luther pierce we
01:31:53.100covered him on the show the national alliance they had hundreds of thousands of paying members like
01:31:57.980you can get a fraction of a fraction of that now for even stuff that wasn't even as radical as that
01:32:04.060back in the day so maybe in australia and again correct me if i'm wrong i i as i said there's
01:32:10.860maybe less competition but also less trauma from having tried this so many times and watched it
01:32:18.700fail yeah and and then the other part of it is in terms of trying and watching it fail
01:32:24.780all of the examples you've just brought i'm not criticizing you but all the examples you just
01:32:29.360brought up are american we're talking about fbi we're talking about charlottesville we're talking
01:32:33.320about kkk canada i think if we as a nation want to try something i don't think we have to be that
01:32:41.940beat down the americans ought to be beat down for the number for the complexity of the issues that
01:32:46.800they have it's it's a bad it's a fucking stew over there but for us if we can get out from the shadow
01:32:52.620of what's been tried and failed in the u.s we're not actually the u.s we could actually pull
01:32:59.320something if we localized it closer to what the australians are doing if we just realize that the
01:33:05.300situation in canada politically you know in terms of the power dynamic in terms of the strength of
01:33:11.100the the police and the government in certain regions and the way our laws work it's totally
01:33:16.040different than the americans it is it we're a commonwealth country um and if we i think if we
01:33:21.060get out from under that and like we say like oh what's been tried like there hasn't been very much
01:33:26.660tried in canada at all like we we really are working from the american examples as if it
01:33:32.900happened to us like we're like we're projecting somebody else's trauma onto ourselves there's
01:33:38.020there's not a huge array of you know nationalist thinkers in canadian history there's a few i mean
01:33:46.180We reviewed Adrian Arcand's book on the show.
01:33:50.380There's a few thinkers and a few intellectuals, but not nearly as much as some of these other nations.
01:33:56.860I know Fortisax, our mutual friend, who people know.
01:34:01.820Him and others, but I'm using him specifically here, have been instrumental in trying to illuminate Canadian history, which most Canadians don't know.
01:34:11.560Most regular Canadians know more about America.
01:40:56.500Like people talk about how China is big.
01:40:57.780China is big because it's powerful because it's got some infrastructure and it's got a lot of human beings with hands and feet in there.
01:41:03.060But in terms of arable land, it's funny, they call it the chicken heart is like the middle of China, like Hebei and Wuhan, this region that's reasonably good.
01:41:14.960It's kind of like the American Midwest, but it is literally 120th the surface area of the American Midwest.
01:41:22.980And it's cut up with mountain valleys and rivers, unlike the Midwest.
01:41:26.820like as you are absolutely on point north america is i mean i'm sorry north america is much more like
01:41:34.400the center of the earth than eurasia i don't know everybody wants to have their eurasian theory
01:41:38.440but as much as north america is slightly smaller it is so much better and you know from an industrial
01:41:45.140standpoint than uh than eurasia eurasia is like look how much of eurasia is to this day
01:41:50.880completely unpopulated because it's the the geography is so fucking awful that's china's
01:41:56.200problem as well yeah and also when it comes they're talking about and to be fair the person
01:42:01.960i was speaking to ended up agreeing with what i was saying but i said these nations china and
01:42:07.080russia especially killed so many of their own population yeah and funneled so much money into
01:42:13.680clawing their way out of just being a resource economy out of just being an agricultural economy
01:42:19.080to industrialize that's what the mouse great leap forward was that's what the soviet union was
01:42:24.740doing so to act that they would just revert to a pre-soviet era like that's just silly that's a
01:42:30.260non-serious thing i don't even think that's what they're doing we're just coming up with things
01:42:34.660they could do but i think if anything they're going to try and industrialize even further
01:42:39.640because i don't think they're going to find their dominance achieved through corn and copper mines
01:42:46.520and shit like that's again it's just a silly way to look about and look at it um but you hear that
01:42:53.480sort of thing from people like this and by this i mean the author so this entire book is trying to
01:43:01.740explain what the existing world order is with america at the center which isn't incorrect like
01:43:08.540it's an american hegemonic system i don't think many people would disagree um and even in the past
01:43:15.280We've discussed many great books written by American policymakers and geostrategists like Brzezinski and George Kennan, and they will openly say, and they've written books that are taught at West Point and any geopolitics class, saying that the role of America in the mid to late 20th century was to disrupt Eurasian unity, mainly the Soviet Union.
01:43:40.380but to try and if if not be a hegemonic force around the globe at least be a hegemonic force
01:43:45.940in the western world and cause enough confusion that you can kind of keep europe and asia under
01:43:52.620control so that there's no clear dominant group that's better for their interests um and the
01:43:59.300main players would be the groups that constitute bricks right now that would be brazil russia iran
01:44:06.780china and south africa i remember at one point i had wondered why south africa was involved
01:44:12.600there actually is a reason i forget what it is but even with brazil i said what the fuck's brazil
01:44:17.440bringing to the table and i heard some people saying like it's not oil is it oil but it's
01:44:22.920actually there is something uh it has to do yeah there's something them and are in venezuela and
01:44:28.960with venezuela it's not even oil there either there america has an interest in these two places
01:44:34.400specifically but it's a bunch of other crops and minerals there rare earth metals and shit but it's
01:44:40.960like i think almost nothing is really about oil these days no i think we are definitely heading
01:44:47.360for a material economy in the next 50 years because even with america i think something
01:44:52.000like the second largest oil reserve on earth known oil reserve is in texas united states of america
01:44:58.720became the largest oil producing nation in the world then just one year later it became the
01:45:02.880largest oil producer of all time, producing 12.3 million barrels a day to exceed levels
01:45:08.400that expert analysis previously thought were unfeasible. And despite a turbulent period
01:45:12.560during the COVID-19 pandemic when oil prices temporarily went negative,
01:45:16.000production in the US is continuing to grow which has made even more bizarre
01:45:19.840since the number of oil rigs in operation is actually declining.
01:45:23.200In just a decade, US production levels have leapfrogged those of geopolitical opponents,
01:45:27.040Russia and Saudi Arabia rapidly transitioning from import dependence to becoming the dominant
01:45:31.680global oil superpower in fact the usa now produces so much oil that for the first time since the
01:45:36.4601940s it's become a net exporter this is a far cry from the usa of past decades which was chronically
01:45:42.620reliant on geopolitically tenuous suppliers who could stop selling to the u.s whenever they liked
01:45:47.140you know i mean like it's america is kind of good like they're good for everything if they want to
01:45:52.740be especially if they do what they're doing now which is exerting more dominance over canada and
01:45:58.320mexico and if you actually i think if you have that whole land mass like there's a lot going for
01:46:06.060you also i don't know whether they're planning on this whether this is in their calculus
01:46:09.400but the price of oil how do i explain this the price of oil is a function of the price of
01:46:17.760electricity because the things that we use oil for we only use oil for because oil is the most
01:46:24.080energy efficient way of getting those products but if you have for example fusion power you don't
01:46:31.240need oil anymore because you can use fucking air you can use corn you can use seawater so it's it's
01:46:38.580fucking moot so i think if if we do have an energy revolution in the next 20 30 years then peak oil
01:46:44.360is literally nobody will ever bring it up again so i wonder whether they're kind of counting on
01:46:49.560the fact that we are i think pretty close to uh an energy revolution sorry no no no no that's
01:46:57.600completely correct and that strikes at the heart of what their argument is which is that you know
01:47:02.780we i i've discussed this with multi-polarity advocates too that said look how much steel
01:47:08.240china's producing america doesn't produce steel anymore look how much steel china's producing
01:47:13.040a it's shit steel like you can fight absolute oh dude it is garbage they they literally use their
01:47:19.740steel as a weapon against the industrial base in eastern in europe they use steel against like
01:47:26.820hungary and russia the way that india uses their population against us they it ruins everything as
01:47:32.880soon as you import it two years late and 260 million dollars over budget the patella bridge
01:47:39.660is inching closer to completion. According to the steel industry a big part of the delay
01:47:45.160was the material imported from China. I think that if the decision had gone to Canadian
01:47:49.700fabricators that right now there would be cars driving over the Potillo Bridge. According
01:47:54.540to the Canadian Institute of Steel Construction the problem was with the fabrication and engineering
01:47:59.780of the raw steel. Crews in Canada required to do extra work to meet the specifications
01:48:05.420of the project pushing costs up and the timeline back advocates say had the project been tendered
01:48:10.520locally the price would have been about the same it's it's just they're trying to underbid but then
01:48:16.820make it so your people die and building collapses yes exactly exactly it's a very bold strategy it
01:48:23.380works too war by ineptitude but but it's true like everything's like it's notorious for being bad and
01:48:30.540it's just a volume play that they're making but everyone knows the jig is up on all that so i'll
01:48:35.740speak to these guys and they'll point to steel i'm like do you know anything about chinese steel
01:48:39.700i've been hearing stories like people can't import it because they get it it's just like
01:48:44.240warped iron it might as well be like fucking rotting wood like it's like i can't use this
01:48:50.480send it back oh that company doesn't exist anymore all the chinese people are in a hole right now
01:48:55.860they just fucking they just hanged all the fucking well that's the big mistake not to to
01:49:02.000make a tangent but like people constantly make this mistake of dealing with chinese companies
01:49:06.700as if they're dealing with regular companies like a capitalist company a company that depends
01:49:10.740on your happiness as a customer to get repeat sales in order to make money they're not build
01:49:15.840a relationship they are state-owned they're government institutions they don't give a
01:49:19.620fuck whether you like the product you can complain all you want because they're just going to roll
01:49:23.340it up and make a new one under a new name in a new town and do it again and do it again and do
01:49:28.500it again and because it's the fucking government dude there this isn't this is a state apparatus
01:49:33.880and i don't like this is not new this has been going on with them for 50 years and somehow
01:49:39.980everybody is still not getting the message that you buy shit from china if you got something good
01:49:46.080congratulations you won the fucking lottery you know what's funny is that people will point i will
01:49:52.020cite that as an example and they'll say oh you're saying that america doesn't lie america doesn't
01:49:58.420manipulate or you know white people don't lie and say no they do but i know what to do with a
01:50:06.660european or a white lie i can that makes sense to me chinese lies don't make sense to me arabic
01:50:14.740lies don't make sense to me everyone lies but you you lie in a very eastern way where like it seems
01:50:20.900too alien to me like you lie about things that are like random you have a completely different
01:50:28.260understanding of what trust is you know we were talking about this the other day uh in our
01:50:34.660community i think i forget how we got to this point but i was saying that it really only seems
01:50:38.660to be europeans that have these higher order ideas of truth and justice i was giving the example of
01:50:45.300you know the aggrieved white liberal you know even even a white liberal who is getting in the
01:50:54.360face of some restaurant manager because he didn't get enough fries in his burger king meal or
01:51:00.860something and that white man possesses a true indignance you know i mean like he'll die in
01:51:09.280in a shootout over that we laugh at you know people disparage the karens or the white man
01:51:15.260who's who's picking a fight over nothing but he has made a decision that on principle he is going
01:51:22.100to go to the mat for this and i love that i appreciate that the existence of parents you've
01:51:27.280never seen a mainland chinese karen because karens are the same thing it's the same the same
01:51:32.940element of your white brain just going a little bit haywire and focusing on something that's really
01:51:38.280you know doesn't matter in something inconsequential but yeah the the eastern
01:51:42.540you know morality they don't have that and they lie about things that don't make sense they'll
01:51:47.460fake anger to get a deal we own our anger even if it's preposterous anger but they'll like
01:51:53.660i remember driving in taxis driven by these types of people these brown people i noticed that they
01:51:59.500never got road rage they'd curse but it would be very deflated and relaxed like oh fuck you brother
01:52:05.860i'm like man these guys are so chill they're not chill they're just cursing without
01:52:11.520like any feeling it's just everything is performative everything's fake everything's
01:52:16.300a con everything's a scam everything is trying to one-up each other if you know anything about
01:52:21.460how they drive these parts of the world there's there's no such thing as camaraderie there's no
01:52:26.340such idea as you know lateral connectivity between people every you want to talk individuality these
01:52:32.020people get you know they get respect for being more collectivist no they're ironically even
01:52:38.680though they can't grasp true individuality they are more selfish they are more out for themselves
01:52:44.640you know i mean we tend to be more individualistic however we have stronger uh bridges built on trust
01:52:53.900and brotherhood and we understand these higher order ideas that they just fucking don't so so
01:52:59.280forgive me when i see an article where xi jinping says he's partnered with india and the dragon
01:53:06.500now must dance with uh i don't know what is the example of the indian was it was fucking turd
01:53:12.960monster the dragon must dance with the the turd monster in a urinal hat i'm looking at that i'm
01:53:20.900like i can't view this statement as a white man listening to another white man this is some
01:53:26.600fucking eastern gobbledygook what are you two fools talking about what is this this isn't
01:53:32.020even a deal what is bricks you don't understand collaboration you fucking don't you don't like
01:53:39.060each other you're lying you're all lying russia you don't like india you have no plans on doing
01:53:45.320anything with india china you have no plans on doing anything with south america this is like
01:53:51.020this is retarded pretending that this is anything is fucking retarded because all these people do
01:53:57.640is like russia is probably the only one like if anything is like russia and china are the only
01:54:02.180ones that fucking matter i don't know what role iran thinks is going to play other than assuming
01:54:07.600it's a regional hegemon which maybe it could be but maybe the fuck not you know i mean like so
01:54:12.480russia might as well just do its own thing if you're going to start a trade empire then start
01:54:19.380a fucking trading partner how about you just do it china's got it's belt and road initiative and
01:54:23.700no one else is invited to that all right well no no look so the thing with the belt and road
01:54:27.460initiative i was actually worried about china as a hegemon until i saw because i've been following
01:54:31.940the bri for at least 15 years and it was spooky when they first did it because it's like wow this
01:54:37.780actually is a threat to we talked about it a few years ago to decay to the gae um but what has
01:54:44.100happened is in my my if i were to summarize it they tried to treat all of these third world
01:54:51.780countries like they were commonwealth countries and like they could oh we can suck you dry the
01:54:56.980same way we suck the australians and the canadians and the british but the reality is is they're
01:55:02.260third world countries for a reason and china has been losing money hand over fist now they've
01:55:08.660gained some territory and they've gained some resources but it has probably cost them more
01:55:13.540than they would have just paid if they were going to buy them outright whenever you're like china
01:55:18.420china's moving into africa they're making a big play there's a reason we left dumb ass
01:55:29.780so i think i think they're making a bunch of fumbles there and then the same thing
01:55:33.300now i do i do honestly i have a little bit more faith in bricks because some of those countries
01:55:37.860have some genuine power and resources but it's the same story again like
01:55:41.300Like, if any of you individually had the chops to do anything, I mean, I hate America as much as anybody.
01:55:48.220But if you had any chops, the Americans would already be in your corner.
01:55:52.980And the fact that you're not means you don't.
01:55:55.620So it really is a coalition of mutants.
01:55:59.060America is going to wrestle Brazil away from you.
01:56:01.820That, to me, is a foregone conclusion.
01:56:04.380Like, it doesn't make sense geographically.
01:56:07.020Like, America is going to make a play for South America.
01:56:09.680Trump's a fucking radioactive donkey, but he does seem to be making a big South America play, especially in the last couple of months.
01:56:18.320And I respect that. And it's I mean, that's like I said earlier, I think that's the new it's the new Eurasia, it's the new center of the earth.
01:56:25.000We have everything we need in the Western Hemisphere.
01:56:28.760And if if Trump can pull South America into his sphere of influence and make it permanent for the next obviously Democratic president.
01:56:38.520honestly i'm not even i don't think he'll be a democrat president you don't think so this is
01:56:43.480calling it too early well it's much too early yeah it's not because people love the republicans
01:56:49.300that much they do right now actually his approval rating is pretty good it's just the democrats in
01:56:54.820america are so bad yeah like i see them trying things like they're really trying gavin newsom
01:57:00.980for a while it's totally uncoordinated i don't think like we saw kamala harris like that was just
01:57:05.940a really poor decision my observation like i think the legacy of biden is going to be a stink on them
01:57:12.460for quite some my observation is just that generally speaking for well over 100 years it
01:57:17.100just flip-flops blue red blue red blue red and i don't i think it's a mistake to view trump as
01:57:21.960something totally unique uh i i know i may probably i'll get a lot of shit for this from americans but
01:57:27.280i think that the the fluff around trump is probably not that dissimilar to the fluff around
01:57:33.720george bush senior or nixon or any of you like it's not he's not historically that important i
01:57:41.060know you want to think he is because you're 22 but he's not usually i will say in the case of bush
01:57:47.840and also reagan i think i think they were significant because they completely reworked
01:57:54.500the party they're all sick they're all sick my point is they're all significant every president
01:57:58.900is significant but people are treating trump like this is the end of history like this is a
01:58:03.440completely a new leaf it's an inflection point it's the new american empire begins today it's
01:58:08.020like right but kind of every supporter of the incumbent has been saying that for 75 years
01:58:15.260that is true i i just think he disrupted if you looked at what the republican party was
01:58:20.020then and what they're saying now yeah and i think he could be i people are assuming he's teeing up
01:58:26.680jd vance as a successor because here's what i was trying to get at was let's say there's a grand
01:58:32.460strategy to bring north america together it's going to be easier with canada than mexico
01:58:38.700obviously well let's say there's a strategy you have trump setting setting the tone of the
01:58:45.000conversation then once he's gone the next republic comes in and says okay let's keep the conversation
01:58:52.080going i'm not like trump i'm a bit more reasonable i'm a different sort of operator we've already got
01:58:58.020you have people having a conversation that they would have never had prior and and trump who
01:59:03.700knows if this is his plan it probably isn't you know i don't think he's setting things up 20 years
01:59:09.000in advance i'm just saying that you could very well see a more like a north american empire or
01:59:16.220a closer like we started with the annexing of canada someone's going to come in and say that
01:59:20.820annex and shit was fucking insane how however let's let's figure out what he's changing the
01:59:27.340tone and i totally agree it does seem like the long-term play and if if the changes that he's
01:59:32.740made to the party are long-lasting at all one of the major things will be a shift away from
01:59:38.620eurasia and towards south america exactly and you i should just read some of this book now i know we
01:59:45.320gotta do it but this is we're kind of setting up the counter argument before their argument
01:59:51.220um and we made some of the arguments that aren't made outright in this book but other people who
01:59:57.160in that sphere will also make but here it just she starts with the current global geopolitical
02:00:03.560clash is in essence a struggle between the colonial powers wishing to preserve the breton
02:00:08.760woods system that facilitates siphoning the wealth of nations and sovereign nations striving for
02:00:14.360independence and an end to a millennium of their oppression during world war ii at peak colonial
02:00:20.200power debatable the breton woods conference established the financial monetary architecture
02:00:26.280of the post-world war ii era a framework which has controlled the global economy for eight decades
02:00:31.720and proved more effective than colonial armies extracting wealth from global south nations so
02:00:37.320you have a few terms in there that you'll be familiar with if you know these people the global
02:00:41.880south which to me was always more insulting than the third world i mean like first world second
02:00:48.360world third world that made sense but you're just basically saying everything in the south
02:00:52.200is the same at the same level of poor awfulness you know what i mean but that's the thing that's
02:00:57.960what they say the global south versus the global north which is like a child's drawing of geopolitics
02:01:04.520but sure there is some truth in there that the brentwood system and the brentwoods conference
02:01:09.720was instrumental in the global economy we have right now that is true but you have this idea
02:01:16.200that it's only to extract wealth from poor nations you know and and you see a lot of leftists engage
02:01:23.800in this sort of imagery which is that it's a fat cat westerner who's got a big long straw and sucking
02:01:30.040all the resources and you know there's books like uh confessions of an economic hit man and others
02:01:36.760that show how these corporations will you know they open sweatshops yes they have manipulative
02:01:43.240trade practices yes most of these countries most of the countries in the global free trade system
02:01:49.400are subservient to only a handful of real countries that are really driving it yes yes yes
02:01:55.400however i don't think it's just wealth extraction you know i mean like there is money that goes into
02:02:00.760these countries and transforms them absolutely yeah you know i mean like it is it's not just
02:02:06.920they're getting slaves um there's you know even look at like china like yeah yeah china for a
02:02:13.000long time was way way poorer than it is right now and over the decades it has achieved a new middle
02:02:19.800class among other things mainly because of its participation while being hostile to that very
02:02:25.080system so that should be brought up because keep in mind all these brics nations they currently
02:02:30.440participate in that system and they've actually been doing pretty well like after the fall of the
02:02:36.360soviet union everyone should be dead everyone in russia should by all accounts be fucking dead
02:02:44.120after like you know but they're not they actually seem to be doing surprisingly well um you know
02:02:52.000south africa sucks that's because you put niggers in charge right among other things but you know
02:02:57.520we're getting into the weeds on this but it can't just be wealth extraction when these very countries
02:03:03.760are also extracting wealth from their neighbors in the name of sovereignty and that's just
02:03:09.600something i wanted to start with if i don't get to it what always frustrated me about the bricks
02:03:14.460argument and we said this on previous episodes as well but if you know anything about russian
02:03:20.800history you know russia is just as imperialist as america if not more yeah yeah yeah get fucking
02:03:29.380real we discussed this on on its own episode uh by the book by jean ladon about uh centuries of
02:03:37.520attempted and successful russian imperialism throughout scandinavia they're bottlenecked
02:03:42.820by geography by the nature of where their their capital and their people and their culture is
02:03:47.760from but if they had north america we'd be living on a russian planet by now they're so imperialistic
02:03:53.500yeah and also like that is the theory of the world island that's how from mckinder's theory that
02:03:59.020due to the geographic nature of the eurasia it actually demands that a country like russia expand
02:04:06.740into eastern europe because there's certain trade routes and certain freshwater sources it's always
02:04:12.620going to want to control and there's been a long history of them invading countries same thing with
02:04:18.320china to the point where you know even um to return to peter zaihan he he can imagine a world
02:04:26.420where america blinks out of existence what happens the day after that you think china isn't annexing
02:04:33.960territory you think russia isn't annexing territory they'll call it something else
02:04:37.760but the the narrative they're running is that america is the only imperialist power everyone
02:04:42.580else is just a freedom loving sovereign and america's pushing them around and just from the
02:04:49.060jump fuck you yeah that's just a that's so that's such brazen propaganda it's insulting
02:04:55.180like the fact that anyone believes that just means they don't know history yeah yeah america's just
02:04:59.900mean they're mean to russia like that like why don't they just want china to succeed they'd be
02:05:05.100good they'd be good like brazil maybe but like it just tells me you don't know anything about
02:05:13.220russia and china like fuck up yeah ask ask ask japan about china you know here's an example it
02:05:20.020says when the people of guinea decided in 1950 to free themselves and get out from the french
02:05:26.140colonial empire i love this example the french colonial elite in paris got so furious that in
02:05:32.620a historic act of fury that's fury and furious side by side um they destroyed everything in the
02:05:41.660country which represented what they called the benefits from french colonialization including
02:05:45.820schools nurseries public administration buildings cars books medicine research institutes instruments
02:05:51.820tractors france had a history of extorting its previous colonies dating back to the 19th century
02:05:57.980the sum amounted to five times france's annual budget and ten times with the u.s paid
02:06:02.060france to buy louisiana they're talking about haiti here in 825 france demanded 150 million francs
02:06:09.020from haiti as an indemnity due to its previous slave masters just makes france sound cool like
02:06:17.020it's like okay the colonial era is over you're kicking us out we're taking the schools that's
02:06:23.420our stuff you can make do it yourself we taught you all the stuff oh you don't want us to leave
02:06:28.860those behind so i guess colonialism like really if if you're complaining about that i'm sorry
02:06:35.340fatty llama that means colonialism wasn't so bad at the very least it sounds like a break-even
02:06:41.180point if if we admit let's let's have some fun let's admit that there was wealth extraction
02:06:47.260it sounds like you broke even because you got what schools nurseries public administration
02:06:53.500bills cars books medicine research and detractors that all came from france so it sounds like it
02:06:58.940broke even at best so if you're saying you're all slaves okay well then sorry for inhibiting
02:07:04.460your freedom we'll just take back all of our evil stuff oh this stuff isn't evil why not well you
02:07:10.300wanted that stuff i i got it yeah oh so you just wanted stuff you know what i mean like
02:07:16.380like right from the get-go this is it's dumb but then but this person goes on
02:07:22.940shows this person writes a book published by who published this clarity press incorporated
02:07:29.660that that's you know the types of publishers who publish these books i can't tell if they're
02:07:35.080small or large because they all have like shitty logos well i'll tell you what i tried to look up
02:07:39.080fatty llama and aside from figuring out that he is actually a 70 year old man not a woman
02:07:43.060there is really no info on him at all aside from clarity presses biography on him so not only is
02:07:48.620the press probably quite small but so is he oh i looked at that image i thought that was a woman
02:07:54.780it looks i was trying to figure out whether he's trans but like no i think it's just a dumb name
02:08:00.940because he's not white yeah you know what dumb people and their dumb names yeah let me just i'm
02:08:07.280looking again here give me a her give me a she nope nope not there that is oh it's an old arab
02:08:16.560dude with long hair i looked it up and i because i wanted to be sure i'm like i don't know if this
02:08:21.400a woman and i just looked the phone said yep probably i mean fuck look at him that has a
02:08:30.040look at the guy that man's got a handsome pussy there's a stinky hole in there somewhere
02:08:36.080uh just moving on to a few other points here it says tradable goods face global competition which
02:08:42.940facilitates true price discovery services on the other hand are mostly local and therefore not
02:08:48.720subject to global competition uh i mean that's not true is it service tradable goods face global
02:08:58.240competition which facilitates true price discovery i mean debatable uh services that's just a stupid
02:09:06.140statement what do you mean by true price discovery because like you're just you you when you're
02:09:11.120talking about price discovery you're setting the terms of the environment you can have true price
02:09:16.140discovery which within a closed system when you open the system to the to the global market you
02:09:21.480have a different kind but you can't say the previous kind wasn't true you faggot it was a
02:09:26.300closed system yeah i like that we can call this guy a faggot now because you can't say a woman's
02:09:31.780a faggot yeah you bitch ass a woman looking arab dude yeah get out of here doors and windows all
02:09:37.620over the house just opened up but they said services on the other hand are mostly local
02:09:42.480and therefore not subject to global competition i mean i don't think that's true at all
02:09:48.000like my services maybe like municipal services well he's talking about the service industry
02:09:53.440he's talking about you know finance and and uh retail and you know digital digital services
02:10:00.640which is like half of the stores and half of the like there's all foreign banks and foreign
02:10:06.560in stores all over the place i mean look the concept of services being let me explain this
02:10:14.060the concept of services even being global in the first place is a totally globalist thing if that
02:10:20.320makes sense like we had trade prior to globalism but only since globalism in the internet have we
02:10:25.060had the concept of international services like you can have banking and digital you can have a
02:10:29.780website that was designed by a polack and your webmaster is in kyrgyzstan right that didn't
02:10:35.740happen either with their work you know here's an example it says a new yorker is not going to
02:10:41.260travel to mexico city for a haircut i mean that's such a oh my god send these kids to a high school
02:10:48.340in beijing what they actually do do that or go to the movies in timbuktu but i would say like well
02:10:54.060you have timbuktu movies over here you see what i'm saying so but he's just talking about places
02:10:58.320you walk into but that's not really services because there's also like any corporate most
02:11:04.260these corporations are international anyway uh or seek the services of a lawyer from new delhi for
02:11:09.220his divorce the competitiveness of a nation that is its ability to offer a high quality to price
02:11:14.900ratio is measured by the growth of its tradable goods sector specifically the manufactured goods
02:11:21.700sector in 1980 the total real good sectors in the u.s dropped below 28 an indication
02:11:29.300of an inflated services sector the american way of life is clearly not sustained by
02:11:33.940internal economic activity but by other factors that enable maintenance of the high consumption
02:11:39.300patterns of the u.s economy so that's not false that but that shows what a immense service and
02:11:48.980consumer economy america is and to be completely fair here russia understands that as well like
02:11:56.340most of these like china exists because it exports things to the american marketplace
02:12:02.740right otherwise it it you don't have china right now if not for decades of that and you
02:12:08.900know they're trying to mirror the american consumer base but i don't i don't think they
02:12:14.340got it not really no not even close and to say like as we discussed in building a ruin it was
02:12:20.020indeed the like we already had this battle between the soviet union trying to out produce america
02:12:27.780falling into the middle income trap because it could only produce so much steel but if there's
02:12:32.500not a marketplace to sell the steel it doesn't matter because who are you going to sell the
02:12:36.500steel to it the soviet union china they don't have internal economies because that's what he's trying
02:12:42.020to say like if you just had a country that could produce everything it needs then everything would
02:12:46.580be great great why doesn't russia do that why didn't the soviet union do that they couldn't
02:12:52.180they had to keep expanding into into other you know nations just to support themselves but like
02:12:57.940if they can do it why aren't they doing it why do they rely on the global marketplace that is driven
02:13:02.740by america and i'm not even making a qualitative statement there may i wish it wasn't the case but
02:13:08.580it make no mistake it is the case it just seems like a pipe dream it's like well you know what
02:13:14.020maybe in the next few years russia just decides to be its own self-contained world okay
02:13:19.700good luck why do you need to tell me that honestly good luck that would be cool that'd be really
02:13:24.260awesome if they did that why is this a movie like why they have been trying since the industrial
02:13:28.820revolution why are you people you know getting into our spaces and trying to get dugan to go
02:13:37.540on other people's fucking shows just to shuck and jive and become a chameleon and say whatever he
02:13:44.740needs to say in the room to get people to like him you know what also loser i'd like to temper
02:13:48.740what i just said because i think of all of the countries we're talking about bricks china russia
02:13:52.740russia is probably the closest of any other nation to actually being totally self-sufficient
02:13:58.680they really do have a strong industrial base they have oil they have everything they need
02:14:02.540i think the issue is aside from the government and the nature of their their ethnicity
02:14:07.320that they are they are a small country like in terms of arable land and livable space they're
02:14:12.380not that big they have a lot of arctic space but they're not they're essentially like a europe
02:14:16.100like a smaller european country um but but yeah i mean they're the best example in that whole group
02:14:23.520and they have been trying for so long and they've never managed it so why
02:14:27.620like that's what i keep coming back to the why haven't you done that you can and you don't need
02:14:34.660the input from america at all if you could just be like why why do i keep hearing about bricks why
02:14:40.460do i keep reading articles saying that bricks has its own currency and all that it needs to succeed
02:14:45.760is for the dollar to collapse completely so i'm like okay a lot of your plans seem to rely
02:14:51.400on america exploding in totality then you can just move in you know i mean what you don't see
02:14:58.420why do you need to move in why can't you just do why can't you just fucking do yourselves right now
02:15:02.040why do you need america at all like why do you need to do these tours why do you need to promote
02:15:06.420this shit the fucking the the dragon shall now dance with the turd monster the urinal hat
02:15:12.680okay go ahead have fun i wish you well why do i get the feeling i want to check back in five years
02:15:19.900and nothing fucking happened with this like why is it every time i hear about china's got a new
02:15:25.120harebrained scheme like china's gonna take over africa go ahead i checked back and recently didn't
02:15:30.440didn't go so well for you i just you and i see i see china making a lot of dumb mistakes
02:15:37.300you know you i see i see a lot of dumb mistakes being made by all these countries and it seems
02:15:43.580uncoordinated it seems kind of clumsy i'm not saying this from the position of someone who
02:15:47.720loves america i just wish a bunch of fucking lying retards weren't the only ones that were
02:15:54.760trying to take on america this is the best would it be great if one competent country actually
02:16:01.160try wouldn't be great if the european union did instead we have a bunch of lying retards who don't
02:16:06.920even like each other singing a song about how they're gonna do it all they need to do all we
02:16:13.240need is for america to shoot itself in the head then the rightful owners then the rightful lesser
02:16:21.800more annoying versions of america that's what they that's what you all are you're all just you're
02:16:27.340just chinese america really there's nothing special about you communism utterly decimated
02:16:33.660your psyche your collective psyche let's just address that china and russia your soviet
02:16:39.760experiment completely obliterated your connection to history what you you tell a nice story about
02:16:46.380how you're an ancient society you killed that part of you you're no you're actually no fucking
02:16:51.660different than america you're transient you're nomadic you're subject to modernity you're no
02:16:58.080different in fucking you got no roots you you ripped up your own roots over a century now you
02:17:04.020have to start all over again sorry it sucks i guess we all do i guess you're not special
02:17:09.460india's not fucking special they don't have roots to anything they just have rivers of shit yeah
02:17:15.780and and you know acting like they read the baghda vita the only people who read the baghda vita are
02:17:21.060white guys so the only people who who read indian esoterica are white guys indians don't give a
02:17:28.840shit anyway so i know we gotta get going soon maybe i just want to rip through a couple other
02:17:34.060things here um sir just to build on what we're saying there it says clearly russia has a much
02:17:41.200healthier economy and far more responsible fiscal management than in the united states
02:17:45.720consequently the really consequently the debt of russia should carry a much lower risk than the
02:17:52.540united states accordingly the credit rating of russia should be much higher than the consequent
02:17:57.140interest on national debt of russia and much lower than the united states such is the magic of
02:18:02.660breton woods 2 coupled with the power of virtual reality in manufacturing consent he uses the word
02:18:10.100virtual reality which is saying that we live in the reality created by america so russia should
02:18:18.000be on top but it's not that's because we live in america's reality that makes us think russia
02:18:22.940nice is full of fucking drunks thus the russian government with across the board significantly
02:18:29.980better economic fundamentals like and also like i read this pretty carefully there's no real
02:18:36.700example why russia has better economic fundamentals has to pay interest that is 300 higher on its debt
02:18:44.180compared to the u.s there's absolutely no real economic reason to justify this drop the 40 drop
02:18:50.100within one year was merely due to the currency manipulation subsequent to march 18 2014 when
02:18:55.540russia foiled the geostrategic expansion of nato into ukraine and nato's drive to take over crimea
02:19:03.440by the way this is a fairly recent book too so a lot of fairly recent russian military excursions
02:19:09.600are included in this so it's not like this is from 20 years ago um here it goes oppression
02:19:15.760is not exclusive to european civilization unfortunately oppression has existed throughout
02:19:21.980history and across various civilizations to this day what distinguished the european civilization
02:19:27.400is that the highest moral authority the popes let me just say that this is something i noticed
02:19:33.420the multi-polarity people they think the pope runs europe like the vatican is the beating heart
02:19:41.680of the entire west which i mean so out of touch if if you know anything about americans you know
02:19:49.600um but you also get that with like the like the city of london people like yeah it's the pope
02:19:57.020that runs the bank of bagel and who runs the global economy shit like that anyway it's the
02:20:01.560popes who were accepted as representatives
02:29:25.380iterated something I have been trying to say for years
02:29:32.320and couldn't is is that the um we understand that all of our perspectives all of our social
02:29:40.880political perspectives and and that that end up bleeding into the metaphysical are all utopian
02:29:46.940everything is super utopian um and when i came across this book and and delved into i didn't
02:29:56.820expect to find what i found which is specifically that the the jew desires the messiah and the
02:30:05.420entire influence of of of the jew on um the early modern to modern political thought has been
02:30:14.580entirely influenced by this coming utopia and how it will uh manifest regardless and what what was
02:30:23.200key there was regardless if it's like the most nihilistic piece of shit atheist like communist
02:30:29.740jew or like your more mystical uh kabbalistic jews they all fall into that same wrong like
02:30:36.760anti-zionist jews zionist jews they all are utopian and that's what uh um here we are with
02:30:45.180dimes it's been a year and a half almost two years since i've made a stream i wanted to talk about
02:30:49.680this book two plus years ago um redemption and utopia uh by michael louvy the jewish libertarian
02:30:58.080thought in central europe um but i just got caught up with life as we do uh but here i am uh welcome
02:31:03.620dimes brother man it's good to be back i loved our last talk and yeah as i was saying before we
02:31:09.400went live i went and checked on your stuff like let's see what he's done recently and i think i'm
02:31:13.620the first in two years so i'm honored to be invited back and you invited myself and i think
02:31:20.740maybe even a couple others but as is all too common i think i might have been the only one
02:31:25.360who read the fucking book but we're here to talk about it yeah it's very interesting it is just you
02:31:31.140and me brother man so i think to my my biggest problem uh especially you know over the times
02:31:37.700that I kept postponing um was was like man I don't know where to start with this so but I I
02:31:45.460know where I want to go recommended it because you said it was recommended to you and you read it
02:31:51.080and it meant something to you okay you know what can I actually I will give a preface I'll give a
02:31:56.160preface on how I ended up finding this book so um I was big on I went through my libertarian phase
02:32:04.140in my late teens after, you know, I was really into politics, little nerd. And my first influence
02:32:12.460was, you know, dialectical materialism. After finding God, I get into libertarianism. It's the
02:32:19.880pipe. It's every white boy's pipeline to like actual right wing political thought. And, you
02:32:26.020know, what I realized was on the right wing that I associate myself with, even if it's online or in
02:32:33.860in meat space out uh actually speaking about political thought with real flesh and blood
02:32:39.240people the the the biggest problem i've always come across is um the entire all of uh like
02:32:48.120right-wing there's a lot of right-wing priors that are influenced by jews and um as somebody who
02:32:57.420i i try to keep everything as christian as possible in terms of like what political thought
02:33:04.940i have influencing me you have to be very careful with what you do read because it does sit in your
02:33:10.040mind and and kind of fondle your brain um but i i just i every i got really into the the depths of
02:33:20.040financial mysticism, if we really call it that. And what you really find is the more you go down
02:33:28.700the financial rabbit hole, the more Jewish it gets. And not in any, again, really there's no,
02:33:35.500and throughout this conversation, I don't have any, there's no moral judgment being made. It is
02:33:43.260just every single economic thinker I come across who has influence on modern economic thought
02:33:49.340is jewish and um i so i i was really like hey right wing why is it that most of the guys
02:33:57.940most of your talking points still are like uh originating in um the austrian school which is
02:34:08.360just a jewish school it's to the the jewish school in austria and then there's the jewish
02:34:12.980school in chicago um so anyway um i had this schizo who followed me maybe he's still around
02:34:21.360maybe he's still alive and kicking and he recommended a lot of good books um you know
02:34:25.540one of them being one of the authors being uh chad haig so i had um uh i had this uh
02:34:34.880you know a lot of good recommendations this guy was known for uh if y'all remember him mutant
02:34:42.480And he was pretty much in every live stream commenting, you know, he had a good run.
02:34:50.560So I got this book because I had talked about that very idea.
02:34:54.320And this book led me down a path that I didn't really expect, because what I was expecting
02:35:00.260was, hey, look at all these libertarians and look at how Jewish they are.
02:35:04.880But what I actually found was something better.
02:35:07.120it was a book it's a book written by a mixed race marxist guy who grew up in brazil um who's still
02:35:14.680alive by the way he's like 87 he's a professor somewhere um and it goes over the not just the
02:35:23.640your your uh your your short fat jewish guys with uh spectacles like um um who am i thinking of
02:35:32.720there's there's the chicago school guy friedman and then there's uh the one who who is it dimes
02:35:42.320the one that everybody likes lived like 100 years um he was the i'm i'm i'm blanking i was gonna say
02:35:52.020milton friedman but milton friedman is like the big one but there is another guy that he like
02:35:56.940started the libertarian party um anywho this doesn't really duke david duke thank you yes no
02:36:06.300my uh my favorite jew um i think uh i think this book actually delves deeper into what does the
02:36:14.720why what does the jew believe and why and and um why don't we start off with what was your
02:36:22.260perspective going into this book dimes um maybe maybe what are your initial thoughts getting into
02:36:30.540a conversation about this book you summarized it very interestingly there and that as i was reading
02:36:35.080it i didn't know anything about the book before and i just started reading it and as you're reading
02:36:39.360it you start to suspect that maybe this is written by one of our guys but it's not it's published by
02:36:45.640Verso books. Verso is one of the leading radical left publishers. And it's in line with a lot of
02:36:53.120my favorite, you know, explorations of Jewish psyche, which are typically written by Jews.
02:36:59.800And I've recommended people like if you want to understand Judaism or Jewish thought, even if you
02:37:05.880want to be critical about it, just read Jews. There's this great book I always mentioned called
02:37:10.220Jewish Power by J.J. Goldberg, which is just openly saying how many Jewish NGOs and institutions
02:37:16.820are in the U.S. And it's reviewed favorably by other Jewish intellectuals. So you can actually
02:37:21.860create and mount a criticism of that movement with exclusively Jewish authors, if you want to.
02:37:28.700And this is completely in line with that. And you read the title Redemption Utopia,
02:37:32.580Jewish Libertarian Thought in Central Europe. And you had brought this up just now that
02:37:38.880it has less to do with libertarianism. In fact, I don't think the word libertarianism even comes up
02:37:44.860that much in the book, to the point that might even be a misnomer. But it's mostly about Jewish
02:37:52.960messianism. And we're going to get into this in a second about elective affinity. But it's the story
02:37:58.360of the Jewish intellectual movement in Germany in the late 19th century, which has had ramifications
02:38:06.940for, as you had pointed out, the entirety of Western thought.
02:38:11.060And this would be prior to World War II, obviously,
02:38:14.340but there was a rise in German romanticism at the time.
02:38:18.880So really at its heart, it's a story of German romanticism
02:38:22.920and then this Jewish intellectual movement in parallel,
02:38:26.340developing side by side, and they're completely incongruent.
02:38:29.600But because Jewish intellectuals are more popular and more active,
02:38:34.420They try and embrace that in a strange way. And I think it's a story you can see play out all throughout Europe and even in America as you have the Jewish intellectual class try and employ this other parallel movement and use it to serve their interests.
02:38:52.100And it's not centrally coordinated. And we'll get to this later in the book that the figures that are cited in the Jewish intellectual movement, including Franz Kafka, some of them are devout Jews. Many of them are secular. Many of them are atheists.
02:39:07.760There's a spectrum of Jewish adherence you see, but the story operating beneath the surface, and it really gets into this halfway through the book, is how nearly all of these figures, as they become more political, become more devout in their Jewishness.
02:39:24.880And they begin writing letters, writing articles.
02:39:28.100And even if they approach it from a very leftist secular point of view, they treat their Jewish theology as its own separate special thing, which, again, you see play out again and again throughout the history of Europe.
02:45:42.800It seems to be this looking back on an era of perfection that is ultimately pronounced through anti-capitalism, ironically through anti-capitalism, being that many of these Jewish thinkers came from lineages that were founded in court Jews and loan sharks, glorified loan sharks.
02:46:06.340Well, he even mentions Kropotkin in here. Kropotkin, the author of The Conquest of Bread, which is very popular with leftists even now, maybe less so now, but that was where the term bread tube came from. But Kropotkin was, for all intents and purposes, an aristocrat. He was living in this large estate and according to, he wrote one of the famous treatises on anarcho-communism, which is even further than what some would call standard Marxism.
02:46:34.800and so he was just viewing from a distance all the laborers and serfs on his property and just
02:46:41.760imagining what it must be like to be them so it's almost this fictitious sensationalist view of what
02:46:48.440they imagine the labor the proletariat is like but as you had said so many of these thinkers come
02:46:55.000from well-off families dynastic families and whatnot so just to answer your question there
02:46:59.900what is elective affinity so there's two things he develops early on one and i believe this to be
02:47:07.080true he'd be the expert as a brazilian jew is that um jews have a very distinct comprehension
02:47:16.560of the afterlife this is the claim that their their view of the afterlife is more anarchistic
02:47:23.520than anyone else is so that's liberation yes it's that's where you start so jewish messianism
02:47:31.560is about deliverance towards anarchy and that where we get elective affinity it's so you start
02:47:38.780with that as this this very distinct social movement within germany because the jews in
02:47:45.240germany as i'm sure they will tell you are always a nation within a nation okay elective affinity
02:47:50.160is him trying the author trying to explain how these two distinct separate movements or groups
02:47:58.680can over time coalesce and he states pretty early on that it's just they got they got something in
02:48:05.140common there's something in their dna that makes them more likely to fuse contrasted against
02:48:10.520everything else it doesn't so he was saying well german romanticism would have nothing in common
02:48:15.660with jewish messianism however i guess it did because they coalesced in some way so german
02:48:21.520romanticism would be your our you know from the far right perspective understanding of what it is
02:48:27.620to be german it's blood and soil it's ethnic history it's all that so the jewish intellectuals
02:48:34.520were caught up in that romanticism caught up in this very invigorating movement but they knew
02:48:39.820the entire time that there is no place for them in there they are not ethnic germans they cannot
02:48:45.740participate in this blood and soil thing so they had to create this other sort of contraption and
02:48:52.540you know the most relevant example i can think of would be like something like the straussian
02:48:59.500neocon movement you know trying to take anglo-conservatism and graft this sort of jewish
02:49:06.220understanding onto it that is hyper pro-capitalism you know we're not going to get into a whole
02:49:10.860history of the neocon movement here but it seems it started with a profoundly jewish intellectual
02:49:16.940movement within academia that became politicized after and it's very much the same thing so
02:49:23.440the exception that i would take is i'm not even sure elective affinity is real
02:49:28.280um yeah i i take a much more cynical approach and i i gave i wrote about this in a vanguardist
02:49:35.680journal article recently because while i disagree with some parts of this i was entranced by the
02:49:42.180idea of utopianism and its role in 19th and 20th century ideology and i was very interested in you
02:49:50.180know the claim that these these disparate groups can coalesce and i was thinking that i was relating
02:49:55.120it to ethnogenesis so ethnogenesis being you know ethnicities that form some people think it's
02:50:01.400prescriptive i was saying it was more reactive and that's a very cynical view of it because i tend to
02:50:07.240think there's an ethnogenesis simply when two groups are within geographic proximity it just
02:50:13.480seems to be a thing that happens so you should be very careful about the groups that you put side
02:50:19.000by side and that you can look at america like there's not a whole lot in common with the heritage
02:50:25.480american found in european stock and descendants of african slaves regardless it appears that these
02:50:31.660two groups have by sheer geographic proximity some political machinations but geographic proximity
02:50:37.600would probably be enough to eventually fuse together into a distinctly american situation
02:50:44.400um and and so to me it's just a thing that happens which is why segregation was important because
02:50:51.160like we need to keep these groups separate if if not that then they will group together and say
02:50:57.440it could be done with indians with asians whatever it might be so to me what is there such a thing
02:51:02.020as elective affinity as in they had so much in common that they were natural bedfellows or
02:51:06.640is it just a thing that was that kind of just happened and it's not natural it's not that
02:51:12.840they had so much in common it's not obvious to me that 19th century german romanticism
02:51:17.440and fucking jewish messianic politics much in common despite if it's not for the fact that
02:51:24.860jewish intellectuals were trying to barge their way in and create a bunch of theory and create
02:51:29.920this new thing called utopian libertarianism you know i mean because if you refuse they would make
02:51:35.000they would combine into one thing instead of creating this other thing yes the the the um
02:51:42.160Noted, interesting development that came about that the author relays to us is almost like a preface to this era of liberation.
02:51:58.900Really, this book should be called Liberation Theory, Jewish Liberation Theory in Central Europe.
02:52:06.480That would be a much better title, actually.
02:52:08.780yes maybe in the late 19th century it was like uh um i think due to
02:52:16.720this burgeoning era uh because everybody at the time that you read any author at the time there
02:52:25.320is this like anticipating the age of steel and movement and and and quickness um and i think
02:52:35.380especially among germans i mean it fuck you go to any major german city in the 1880s and you got
02:52:41.900like 20 geniuses inventing everything and i think a lot of these jews who at the time were still
02:52:47.700were moving um as the author mentions moving from these very um close-knit jewish uh
02:52:58.000uh uh rural you know villages moving into the city acquiring modern education or you know
02:53:06.740pretty much already having it um there it was this um almost like there there became this
02:53:15.480identity crisis where there were you know germans were german they loved being german they were all
02:53:20.840about it uh and man they couldn't stand jews and then jews there were he spoke about how a lot of
02:53:27.080these jewish thinkers parents um they would be unmistaken unmistakably jewish and and practicing
02:53:36.200jewish in some way um but they were ultimately german and they almost had like this um
02:53:43.320this guilt about being jewish um and a lot of these thinkers would either move away from judaism
02:53:51.980entirely into a dialectical materialist um uh practice of this um elective affinity because
02:54:01.580no matter what the jew is always trying to search for his own uh the wandering jew was almost always
02:54:07.820searching for him himself yeah can i just read apart from the book that i i got a whole bunch
02:54:12.940of notes here from the book that i think it's important to put in because he says it best
02:54:17.040himself um here's a segment here that says for the jewish intellectual who belonged to the romantic
02:54:22.640generation of the 1880s who sometimes attended the informal german circles at which romantic
02:54:28.560anti-capitalist culture was being developed such as the max weber circle in heidelberg
02:54:34.400frequented by lucax and bloc one problem arose immediately a return to the past which was at
02:54:39.920the heart of the romantic orientation drew upon german ancestry medieval aristocracy
02:54:45.440or Protestant, or Catholic Christianity.
02:54:47.800That is to say, upon national, social, or cultural references
02:54:51.160from which he, as a Jew, was completely excluded.
02:54:54.640As for others, the majority of Jewish intellectuals
02:54:57.420of German cultural background, only two solutions were possible
02:55:00.720within the framework of this neo-Romanticism,
02:55:04.040either a return to their own historical roots,
02:55:06.540to their own culture, nationality, or ancestral religion,
02:55:09.600or adherence to a universal romantic revolutionary utopia.
02:55:14.440So that's what we're talking about here. It's a new type of convenient political utopianism that had to be crafted because the Jewish intellectual movement wanted to participate in this thing that was happening, but it needed to be more universalist.
02:55:32.380And the goal for them was to remove all that ethnic nationalism,
02:55:37.100all that blood and soil stuff, all really all the history
02:55:39.900and create a new type of universal ideology.
02:55:43.980So I hesitate to say it was one of the first ideologies
02:55:48.220that words thrown around a lot, but it's a very early case
02:55:53.180of political ideology serving the interests of one specific group.
02:56:02.380yes um i think uh i think actually one of the few areas that i was like damn i've got to
02:56:10.360i've got to highlight this um kind of applies here it's uh it's in reference to boo bear who
02:56:16.160i i find boober and uh what was his name um walter benjamin almost seem as like the uh
02:56:28.520the heroes in this story or, or, or like the, the, the most pronounced Jews that I think
02:56:36.820reflect a, uh, the, the, the Jew trying to be something worthwhile in his element. Um,
02:56:48.940But yes, the, uh, what that would entail ultimately is you had, um, you know, by the 1940s, 1950s, um, a lot of those, uh, a lot of the mystical Jews, um, I think like Gershom, Sholem, um, they would end up, I forget if it was, I think it was Buber.
02:57:11.180they would end up as um somewhat kind of zionists yearning to um yearning for an israeli state
02:57:21.500um i think it was buber who wanted to um he had a very like liberal middling approach to it he
02:57:28.520wanted like a a arab state with an israeli state um but the uh by that point most jews in um in
02:57:40.240any kind of political influence ideological influence um were communists or neocons um
02:57:47.160their their actual desire for the israeli state was only really left with like these
02:57:51.160these kabbalistic um you know jews who came back to their religion through um uh specifically
02:57:59.500messianism um and the desire to um establish this uh this this utopia um because i uh
02:58:10.240in their i think that in in a sense trying to complete what their youth's revolution was about
02:58:20.540um yeah absolutely and that's what you point something i just want to make sure people
02:58:24.900understand that almost none of these people were orthodox jews yeah i would say they're
02:58:29.940predominantly secular jews and they were caught up in the youth movements of the time which would
02:58:34.940have been more socialist anti-capitalistic and whatnot and so you had a mix of secular and then
02:58:40.720mystical jews all that kabbalah stuff and then you have orthodox jews what's interesting is
02:58:45.220they all ended up moving in the same direction yes and one of the transitions you start seeing
02:58:50.920throughout the book is an individual i believe franz kafka is the one i'm thinking of where he
02:58:56.920started off and who hasn't read kafka who doesn't like things that are kafka-esque yeah but he
02:59:03.020Over his life, even as he's engaged with these ideas, he's writing letters becoming more and more Judaic, basically, and embracing their own identity and history and finding a space for that alongside this new universalism and never really cutting ties to it as they age.
02:59:24.740I think that's a story you probably see borne out in many different places.
02:59:28.880Um, so this is a little, uh, section about, um, I guess ultimately Boo Bear's perspective on, um, messianism and the end of time that I think relates to what the, the, uh, Jew, the, the, this sort of secular that I guess the most, the most common Jew, um, not, you know, he does get into like the atheist Jews.
02:59:58.860which might be something worth getting into, how pretty much all of them became communists.
03:00:04.820But it starts off, it was from a romantic messianic vision of history that Buber
03:00:10.420questioned the concept of evolution, progress or improvement. For by renewal, I do not in any way
03:00:19.260mean something gradual, some total of minor changes. I mean something sudden and immense,
03:00:25.080by no means a continuation or an improvement, but a return in transformation. Rather than hope
03:00:31.760for ordinary progress, one should desire the impossible. Hubert found the paradigm for this
03:00:38.280complete renewal in the Jewish messianic tradition, the last part of Isaiah, has God say,
03:00:44.120I create new heavens and a new earth. This was not a metaphor, but a direct experience.
03:00:49.800Martin Hubert, more than any other modern religious Jewish thinker, placed the active
03:00:54.660participation of men in redemption as God's partners at the heart of his idea of messianism.
03:01:00.960The central Jewish theologumenon, which remains unformulated and undogmatic, but which forms the
03:01:09.560background and cohesion of all doctrine and prophecy, is the belief that human action
03:01:13.700will actively participate in the task of world redemption. The message of Hasidism, according to
03:01:19.880Boubert was that man was not condemned to waiting and contemplation. Redemption was his act was his
03:01:26.380to act upon by collecting and releasing the sparks of holy light dispersed throughout the world.
03:01:32.800Does this mean that God is not omnipotent, that he cannot save the world without man's help?
03:01:37.120No, Boubert responds. It means only that he does not, he does not will redemption without the
03:01:43.300participation of man generations of men had been granted a collaborative force an active messianic
03:01:50.640force it was for this reason that buber contrasted more and more categorically messianic prophetism
03:01:57.060jewish eschatology proper and the apocalyptics and eschatological conception that originated
03:02:02.980in iran i guess uh essentially um uh like pre-millennialism with uh protestants which
03:02:09.980ironically jews and protestants a lot of uh you know like baptists um seventh day adventists
03:02:15.900have that exact type of eschatology in common especially like the the protestants viewing the
03:02:23.260jews as like the children of god at the end of time uh that's why i gotta give them israel we're
03:02:28.700not we're not gonna have christ return until israel gets everything that it wants 100 right
03:02:34.240right it for some reason just the jews don't have to be saved they're already saved um the
03:02:39.720The former accorded the preparation of redemption to humanity, to the decision-making power of each human being so called upon, while the latter conceived redemption as an immutable future, predetermined in the smallest detail, which used human beings only as instruments.
03:02:54.840For Bubert, this active messianic hope turned towards an open eschatological future, set Jewish religious thought apart from Christianity.
03:03:02.720In a letter he wrote in 1926, Buber formulated the thesis in terms that are not too dissimilar from Ernst Bloch's Utopia of Not Yet Being.
03:03:12.300According to my belief, the Messiah did not come at a determined point in history.
03:03:17.840His arrival can only be the end of history.
03:03:20.460According to my belief, world redemption did not take place 19 centuries ago.
03:03:24.920We are living in an unsaved, unerlusten world, and we are waiting for redemption in which we have been called upon to participate in the most unfathomable way.
03:03:35.740Israel is the human community that bears this purely messianic expectation.
03:03:40.660This belief is still to be accomplished and must be accomplished being of world redemption.
03:03:46.560You got to love that where the Jews are saying, well, what if we're all Christ?
03:03:50.840What if all Jews are Christ and we're supposed to?
03:03:52.980it's just worship worship the jews and don't worry and don't worry about us don't worry about we're
03:03:58.340up to so like yeah no no i was gonna say no you continue um no that's that's a very good i was
03:04:06.860going to read some other stuff but i want to make sure you get your point out first um so that
03:04:11.260further cements you know it really blows my mind that michael louvy is just like throughout this
03:04:17.520book anytime he seems to have an opinion it's just like man those guys are pretty cool um and like
03:04:22.340he referred to anti-semitism in the most boomer con way of like we all know it's bad i think he
03:04:27.420said something like that in the book where it's like ah we know we all know anti-semitism is
03:04:31.380terrible and stupid um so it's like you read a book like this and then we had mentioned uh e
03:04:38.220michael jones earlier but another great series of books related to this topic would be kevin
03:04:43.580mcdonald and his culture of critique series and you'll find uh with e michael jones's i believe
03:04:49.120it was the jewish revolutionary spirit that's really where he talks about exactly what you're
03:04:52.860talking about like what is about these people who feel that the onus is on them to bring revolution
03:04:58.780to the world also from like an ethno-religious point of view in many ways kevin mcdonald makes
03:05:04.140the exact same argument these men were chastised for being anti-semitic for i don't know how long
03:05:09.320these people have been blacklisted these people and then here's this like just random brazilian
03:05:14.240jewish guy who's saying the exact same fucking thing yes yes you know it is it is ironic like
03:05:20.500it you can't reject the the uh ethno-narcissism involved in jewish eschatology it's like
03:05:29.220it involves that they are the saviors of humanity in some way or they ultimately are just the
03:05:35.300saviors of themselves by uh i guess cheating god the hardest but the um the maybe we should get it
03:05:46.920for a second into what what's the uh we we've kind of gotten into like the actual religious
03:05:54.780eschatological perspective and how a lot of these guys who started out as young bright-eyed bushy
03:06:01.380detailed revolutionaries who a lot ultimately they, they became so in Mark, I think in, um,
03:06:07.140in Walter Benjamin's case, um, very much considered, uh, joining the communist party.
03:06:15.020I don't know if he ultimately did. Um, but he only viewed communism as an, a means to an ends
03:06:23.120when it came to anarchism being the eschatological and, uh, the, the eschaton of, um, of this,
03:06:30.580of this uh burgeoning um ideology and era and and uh he even referenced the author references how
03:06:38.820the book there is this common belief among jews that at the end of time all the rules will be
03:06:43.680gone you know you can eat pork finally you have some bacon that's a very good point you just made
03:06:48.460and i believe he makes in the book i don't have the exact page number but to contrast jewish
03:06:53.900thought with women european thought western thought that when we think of utopia i think
03:06:59.720where a lot of people think of is an environment or a system basically heaven on earth utopia
03:07:05.300where everything's perfect and all your material desires are met it's just the perfect state of
03:07:10.760being whereas and he says this in the book the jewish state mind is that there is no state it
03:07:16.780is anarchistic in the sense that utopia is the people utopia is a group of people that can do
03:07:22.980whatever they want as you said there's no rules you know they can stop they can stop doing all
03:07:27.420the jewish stuff i guess but that you have to understand that's a very radically different way
03:07:31.820of viewing like using the word utopia to them it's the state of being of a people whereas we see it
03:07:38.040as sort of maybe a naive optimistic system that you can just inhabit and right you you know you
03:07:45.160were just a part of that right and so communism ends up being for a lot you know even uh um the
03:07:52.140more religious or at least mystical spirit because a lot of jews it's almost wrong to describe them
03:07:58.760as a religious people or a religion they are really like mystical and spiritual people because
03:08:05.860they they very having met you know growing up in houston and and rubbing shoulders you know i've
03:08:13.360met jews and they vary like reformed jews are not your your orthodox jews and they are the most
03:08:19.740common. The beliefs that these people hold a lot of the time are more comparable to a Unitarian
03:08:28.640Universalist or at times almost like a Wiccan because they don't have an orthodoxy to their
03:08:36.720religion. It is like we are a people and at some point our relevance as the Jews is going to come
03:08:43.660up in terms of god and the end of time um but what seems to um and this is something i've always
03:08:51.100like tried to stress when it comes to like at why are we even ever discussing jews is the influence
03:09:00.640of their beliefs the influence of their exception exceptionalism in uh the influence of ideologies
03:09:10.940that you know ultimately were the the catalyst for the genocides of tens of millions of people
03:09:18.180in multiple continents um specifically when you look at early ussr how ironically the the these
03:09:28.480these it is funny man uh you look at uh who's the guy who made the bomb and then got really
03:09:36.540sat and cried about it when we used it was oppenheimer oppenheimer oppenheimer or trotsky
03:09:42.840you have all these guys who were romantics they were ultimately romantics um always at odds with
03:09:49.420their own religion but at the end of the day they knew that they loved being jewish and they had
03:09:54.640that that oppenheimer movie is great for that because i was not expecting the jewish experience
03:09:59.560to feature so prominently in that movie but that really is the movie about how he feels compelled
03:10:04.720to invent the nuclear bomb because he's jewish and and everyone around him says the same thing
03:10:10.200and um like the practicality of the of the jew which at the same time is the practicality of like
03:10:20.460the the pre-millenarian protestant which is why i really have like a an odds against a lot of like
03:10:28.200american protestantism is that there is uh that we need to absolutely fuck the earth up in order
03:10:36.020for god to love us again or something um but the the crazy thing is you look into like the these
03:10:42.980early 1920 19 teens and 20s communists they're all jewish but specifically they're atheists
03:10:48.880and and what's something the idea of being jewish actually goes beyond what they're what they think
03:10:56.980or what they feel it is something within them that they can't reject and in in in uh the the
03:11:04.960uh praxis of um of like soviet communism is uh this yearning for like this because truly
03:11:18.800and you've mentioned this on your podcast which is it was one of my favorite recent points that
03:11:22.860you've spoken about is the soviet communism ultimately failed because it didn't have a
03:11:27.980commercial it didn't have a a consumer economy and it's that's a big part of that is like these
03:11:33.600jews were so they're severely anti-capitalist they want the utopia to come and even in the
03:11:38.920most atheist materialist like dirtbag pieces of shit like rosa luxembourg um is still this
03:11:46.740yearning for the the the great end of time and it's weird because like you don't see that with
03:11:53.300stalin you don't see that with mao right you don't see that with like these non-jewish but
03:12:00.700committed like kuchesku or or or tito these guys these people who were you know in mao's case he
03:12:07.920would have just been like a run-of-the-mill fucking like weird pagan guy chinese pagan shit
03:12:13.640or in the case of kochesku and tito they were both coming from a catholic milieu they didn't
03:12:19.940have this perspective of a utopia they had a perspective of like i've got a machine to run
03:12:25.400and and that's all they're thinking it's almost like this european uh work ethic of like okay i
03:12:32.100got this machine i got oil but with the with the the ideologically um driven jews that started
03:12:40.100those machines they believe that no this machine is going to be perfect we won't even have to oil
03:12:44.300it it's actually going to be like total anarchy in five in five after the five-year plan where
03:12:49.500the internal contradictions will reveal themselves we don't really have to do anything except maybe
03:12:54.660speed it along and so many right said this you what's interesting it's that um you mentioned
03:13:00.940a point a while ago that uh i didn't have any notes on this but just occurred to me
03:13:05.640that what's interesting about German romanticism
03:13:46.820But, you know, they're not Africans, but, you know, I don't think they're just top of the pile because they like reading books so much.
03:13:52.900But I do think that in the case presented in this book and others, it's they have a firmer grasp of pure theory.
03:14:00.480And I mean, theory divorced from all that other stuff.
03:14:03.200And, you know, the German romanticism, their love of tradition and hierarchy and history might have been an impediment when compared to this new modern invention of simply just a new universalistic theory, which proved to spread wider, have more power in the minds of men for better or worse.
03:14:22.720And you see that in America about just a purely theoretical, propositional view of America, which is relatively new.
03:14:30.480That's not what the Founded Fathers are talking about.
03:14:32.480It really emerged in the 60s from the same types of groups.
03:15:10.780if i could i may just let me just read a little bit here too just because i want to make sure
03:15:18.620we get to this this can't be the longest interview unfortunately for people no yeah it's cool but i
03:15:23.140do want to make sure we back up what we're saying there's a really long part here i want to read
03:15:28.760that sort of summarize we're talking about so just just bear with me it says it seems evident
03:15:34.660that the messianic religiosity of rabbis and talmudists so deeply rooted in tradition and
03:15:40.540ritual had no common ground with the subversive anarchist ideology of bakunin or kropotkin
03:15:46.440especially since the cultural ethnocentrism of the Jewish religion was poles apart from the military universalism of revolutionary utopias.
03:15:55.340These would be the Marxists and socialists he's talking about.
03:15:58.180Yet the increasingly active role of Jewish intellectuals in generating radically anti-establishment ideas inspired attempts to find Jewish religious roots within socialist utopias.
03:16:10.860Max Weber was probably one of the first among the sociologists of religion to suggest that the religious tradition of ancient Judaism had a potentially revolutionary nature.
03:16:22.700And there's a list he gets through summarizing it a bit more, if I can just get through that.
03:16:27.620Number one, Jewish messianism embodies two tendencies that are at once intimately linked and contradictory, a restorative current focusing on the reestablishment of a past ideal state, a lost golden age, a shattered Edenic harmony, and a utopian current which aspires to a radically new future.
03:16:48.320The proportion between the two tendencies may vary, but the messianic idea crystallizes on the basis of their combination.
03:16:57.280Two, according to Gershon Sholem, for Jewish messianism, redemption is an event which necessarily takes place on the historical stage publicly, so to speak, in the visible world.
03:17:11.340Redemption is not conceivable as a purely spiritual process within the soul of each individual, which results in essentially inward transformation.
03:17:22.340Their redemption is different than our redemption, is what he's saying.
03:17:25.320in the jewish religious tradition the arrival of the messiah is a catastrophic eruption
03:17:30.120uh jew is so then number three here in the jewish notably biblical tradition the et
03:17:36.440kets or the time of the end brings general universal and radical change et kets does not
03:17:42.920mean an improvement of everything hitherto experienced on earth but rather the creation
03:17:47.060of a holy other world the advent of the messiah the bakarit haim at the end of days will establish
03:17:55.200or reestablish an age of harmony between man and God, between man and nature, and among men.
03:17:59.580Number four, one of the main aspects of generalized eschatological subversion is to overthrow the
03:18:05.720powers of the world. However, certain biblical and apocalyptic texts go further still. They
03:18:11.840suggest the abolition of all power or human authority to the benefit of theocracy in the
03:18:17.860strictest sense of rule by God himself, directly without intermediaries or vicars. That is, of
03:18:24.200course very far from modern anarchism whose motto neither god nor master demonstrates its
03:18:28.980rejection of all authority number five last one finally there's an aspect of jewish messianism
03:18:34.060that sholem refers to as intrinsically anarchist namely the idea to be found in several talmudic
03:18:40.520and kabbalistic texts the advent of the messiah implies an abolition of the restrictions that
03:18:45.620the torah has until then imposed on the jews i think that's what you were just saying there so
03:18:49.600I think you might have got to that. So anyway, that is in greater detail, exactly the nature
03:18:56.420of Jewish messianism that we're discussing before. I guess a good way to sew this together is
03:19:06.740so we understand the impacts of... So yeah, one, just a comment on that might be a reiteration,
03:19:17.000But what is like the perspective of ideology in practice by a Gentile, especially a European, and I can only speak for white guys, is that like whenever we get an ideology that we really like, it's not it's not it's not like a we don't get into it because we're being deceptive.
03:19:43.520Like if they're not that there aren't deceptive psychopaths who are in politics, I mean, the more you meet them, the more you see them, the more disgusting politicians like truly are.
03:19:52.540But they a lot of dudes who got into the fascist party, into the National Socialist Party or got into the Communist Party or anarchists who weren't Jewish, they they seem to really be believers like this was the replacement religion in a in a continually secularizing secularizing world as a result of technology and technique.
03:20:18.240um and i think the jewish relationship with these ideologies this book helped elucidate something
03:20:25.720that i also couldn't really see before which is and it's funny again like i don't know how
03:20:30.020michael louvy doesn't look at this as a negative but maybe maybe he does is that jews treat these
03:20:36.940ideologies um well he is a jew actually michael louvy is a jew so whatever um but uh they treat
03:20:44.120marxism um as a catalyst for the end of times it is the catalyst for uh this specific um material
03:20:54.780event where god uh where man acts as um in relationship with god as a partner with god
03:21:05.160in redemption um and i think that um especially and and i'd be curious if you have any perspective
03:21:15.220um to tie this together on either this ideology or this impact of jew of jewish messianism on
03:21:22.400ideology um especially in america and now is is that the uh the more i you know have found myself
03:21:34.740politically interested and then kind of disenchanted um the more i do see that uh
03:21:41.320that ethno-narcissism pronounced throughout politics because it seems that all of the
03:21:49.680political um everything politically orbits around kind of a um if not jewish a uh
03:22:00.260almost like a mystery babylon um uh gnostic kabbalistic um uh belief in like these these
03:22:17.360theories are not theories on their own they are just instruments to use to achieve the ends um
03:22:24.200that we desire. And, uh, as, as a young, as a guy who was, you know, a young commie and then
03:22:30.840libertarian, um, and, uh, you know, now just kind of a guy, uh, the more I realized, uh, you know,
03:22:40.840I was a part of those political, um, you know, um, experiences because I believed in them.
03:22:48.540And it seems that the higher you go up and the more you dig deep into history, the more that Jews are actually just utilizing these theories and the way that Carl Schmitt spoke about the relationship between man and politics is power.
03:23:07.540And they're utilizing it as a means to bring about the destruction of the, or the building of the third temple and the end of time.
03:23:20.660That's what it feels like, but, you know.
03:26:34.480I'm not trying to cast aspersions here.
03:26:36.600You can see that even now in the far right, the distant right, there are currently other Jewish groups trying to sidle up to this thing and play word games and redefine what radical right wing thought is.
03:27:18.400development which is like, well, of course, Jewish
03:27:20.260intellectuals are the best we have over here so like it just keeps happening the same thing keeps
03:27:25.520happening and even the jewish intellectuals might be critical of zionism they might not be wearing
03:27:32.000their locks on the side or anything but that's not really what we're talking about here
03:27:36.240can it serve jewish interests without being outwardly zionist because right now i think
03:27:44.500we're at a nadir of jewish acceptance in the western world mostly because it's being pushed
03:27:50.040by non-europeans and non-whites in america but whatever i think jews and israelis are kind of
03:27:56.620shocked that everyone hates them right now they don't really know what to do about it so they
03:28:01.040need to play a bunch of these games right now for the same reason which is we need to survive
03:28:06.040in this system that increasingly does not have a space for us yes um yeah i would certainly point
03:28:14.980towards as somebody, um, you know, who grew up in the, uh, in the South in, uh, the two
03:28:20.900thousands and the 20 teens, the just overarching influence, um, of, uh, phylo-semitism in
03:28:30.140Protestant Christianity and, uh, and even among Catholics, plenty of that, um, really
03:28:35.900just like boomer con christianity um which includes um catholicism um and the odd eschatology
03:28:46.760that i think really brought the new atheist movement um some some uh some killing power
03:28:55.060um when uh you know a lot of like religious uh a lot of the influence of protestant christianity
03:29:04.620on politics and, and like, um, news media was always in reference to, to, to Israel
03:29:11.440and always in reference to Judaic, Judeo Christianity, but is now that changes, you
03:29:19.300know, I actually see, um, instead of a, instead of being like specifically Zionist, what I
03:29:25.380really just see is a jewish state of mind that specifically inhibits a peaceful christian and
03:29:37.880you know moderately uh race realist approach to reality it seems like anything that is just like
03:29:45.200i am a normal christian guy and i notice differences and i see patterns but i don't
03:29:50.900really want war it seems like that belief is on is like it's that is the thing that's always
03:29:57.480battled against like they will i wouldn't be surprised if nick fuentes had like millions of
03:30:03.540jew bucks um in his bank because of the type of of anti-semitism that he pushes because it is just
03:30:10.580like fiery fuck the jews talk and i i'm i that is exactly what these types of like parasites on
03:30:20.600uh the the american mind love is is is people like that um and uh yeah so i i think that
03:30:31.040as these as these times shift you know the outwardly zionist approach to politics is
03:30:37.720gonna go away but like you've always got to keep keep in mind that like the people who hated our
03:30:43.540savior the most are it's kind of like a mind infection when you you hate your you see your
03:30:52.840savior and you're like no no no i still want the jewish shit and um and it's it's it's uh
03:31:01.700it's you raise a good point there and i think and this is just me riffing here but i think
03:31:07.860one of the aspects that separates what we might call you know european thought in action versus
03:31:14.260jewish pure theory is that we demand results we demand a plan so what a lot of people will rely
03:31:23.420on is red pilling the masses or you and i talking about this right now it this seems to be the case
03:31:29.620this is a good book that describes a social phenomena that occurred in germany in the late
03:31:35.66019th century okay and we can read all a great many books that chart the history of exactly what
03:31:43.140we're talking about okay you know but now what what do you do that information if it is the case
03:31:48.560that so many of these movements have been subverted let's say by or directed or diverted
03:31:54.540by jewish intellectualism what do you do about that we don't really we're not very good talking
03:31:59.300about that but i think there's something in our souls that demand a course of action and i don't
03:32:04.240want to be misconstrued i'm not even talking about anything violent but like what like what is
03:32:07.580what do you do about that because if we just say it then what we're seeing happen now in the
03:32:12.840discourse is a lot of jews say yeah well you know it just turned i remember dave smith years ago
03:32:17.560comedian dave smith from legion of skanks he's pretty popular now politically but he had made
03:32:22.800claim that i've heard other jews claim which is like yeah we lead these sorts of revolutions but
03:32:27.280we lead all revolutions we led the communist revolution we led the capitalist revolution
03:32:31.380with Milton Friedman and others in America and we led this one and that one and yes we're at the
03:32:36.480head of the church of satan but we're also leading all these other things like we're just at the top
03:32:41.500of every pile and then what well what do you say to that you say they're wrong like they're admitting
03:32:46.740that they have power and influence they're just saying well we deserve what are you peasant goy
03:32:51.460and then you need to figure out like okay I need to create a more comprehensive list of reasons you
03:32:57.280know we might have a reason but just to explain to people like well why is this actually bad you
03:33:02.000need to really mount a defense or you know come up with the superior alternative because as you
03:33:08.820were saying unfortunately the further you go back that sort of intrusion and subversion
03:33:13.000goes very very far yeah um i think uh i think that's a a place to to put a pin in it um there's
03:33:24.600lot about this uh about uh jewish eschatology um that i think deserves more delving into i think
03:33:35.720even like uh i could do an entire podcast about like albert einstein and i wish i wish there were
03:33:41.400like some books digging into specifically like him and his influence on just the way we think
03:33:47.560about reality has to be because i've seen people in my chat come correct me by saying no here's
03:33:54.040the real scoop on Einstein yes they're quoting someone and I don't know what it's wrong
03:33:58.520Einstein is like a perfect guy um too because he's he's at that exact place in time of um
03:34:07.040like Austrian Jewish was secular and then became more mystical and and Jewy over time um as he got
03:34:14.980older and afraid of death but uh and again it's not a guy I really have like an opinion about
03:34:19.860him uh it is more so his perspective of reality and that influence on everybody is um something
03:34:27.300to be reckoned with in modernity as uh we we realize either he's more wrong um or that um
03:34:34.400the the specific or at least that the specific discovery he made could only be done by a jew
03:34:42.400um but anyway these topics are fun um let me say would you we'll end on this would you
03:34:49.100recommend the book did you like it um for sure i i think that we spend uh too much time reading
03:34:57.300stuff that and that is really one of the main reasons you know blood satellite is my favorite
03:35:02.400podcast is you read like you read the guys that people just refuse to because they're like i i
03:35:09.040heard he's stupid that guy's a lib but um this is a great example like we we could we i know my
03:35:16.060opinion about about judaism i know my opinion i know my perspective on like jewish influence on
03:35:22.640um ideal on ideology and the media but when i get it when i get a a guy who is you know didn't grow
03:35:29.880up as a practicing jew um kind of seemed to just he's from germany is kind of mixed moved to brazil
03:35:37.480and he he said apparently he's been a mark he's 87 years old he's been a marxist since he was 16
03:35:43.100so this is like a dyed in the wool marxist believer and he's taking a perspective of
03:35:48.900almost rediscovering his own ancestry through other liberation theory um jews and what they
03:35:57.540all did apparently so he's like oh yes right he's just following in their footsteps and i've i've
03:36:02.280seen this jews have a thing about doing this where they they initially at least the 20th century
03:36:07.240thinkers where they went against their their identity and then came back to it full force
03:36:13.180and um just like howard stern like jude like this is the joke people make that howard stern was you
03:36:20.060know the the biggest shock jock in america and he just became an old jewish lady now yes
03:36:25.620every i think it was you who said that every jewish guy just becomes a jewish grandma
03:36:32.500at the end of their life and yeah and that is this book it feels like i'm reading like a jewish
03:36:39.720grandma you know fondly looking back on jewish influence in uh in in you know ideology in the
03:36:47.200media like they've there's oh we're trying to rediscover our identity and the mystical things
03:36:53.140and it's just it's so boomer it's a very boomer um perspective but it's well written it's well
03:36:59.460researched and it makes me want to read some of these other jews like buber and and walter benjamin
03:37:04.120um and thank you again for the kind words about the show what we also do on my other show do you
03:37:12.600even read with my good friend the prudentialist where we cover books like white fragility by
03:37:17.280robin d'angelo because everyone likes reading right-wing thought and theory and as do i but
03:37:23.580like with this book you just say well what do what do jews think about communism
03:37:27.500well i don't know like like when you talk about what does a militant atheist think about the rise
03:37:36.500of these certain you know i mean like i i kind of want to hear what they say sometimes it's not very
03:37:41.140good sometimes it's surprising what they're willing to admit to themselves uh so anyway that's
03:37:47.520i like to recommend people read you know go outside their comfort zone with this stuff yes i i i think
03:37:54.100it is a perspective that i just hold uh i guess kind of like a hegelian perspective that there's
03:38:00.160a reason for the there's a reason for um uh the word's not dichotomy that i'm looking for but it's
03:38:08.340what i'm thinking of there's a reason that there's always a dichotomy or a uh there two very opposing
03:38:14.400but two very opposing perspectives constantly throughout time that are trying to occur at truth
03:38:23.900And I think that if you're really a truth lover, you got to read your enemy because your enemy is your friend. Pray for your enemy. Also, what is your enemy thinking? I mean, every great thinker, every great like general through history, they always have like a sympathy for the devil. They have a sympathy for their enemy.
03:38:42.220And I think if you want to understand, you can't just be constantly like Evola, Evola, Evola, Schmidt, Schmidt, Schmidt, Carlisle, Carlisle, you know, then you don't really love truth. You don't really love truth if you're just driven towards passion. Passion is a dangerous thing.
03:38:59.920And also, just from the position of curiosity, it is obvious that Marxism, for one reason or another, is very popular. Anarchism is still popular. And I like understanding why. What about this works? What about, and we can say, communism is wrong, you know, the experiment was tried and failed, all this shit.
03:39:22.820But I'm like, but what is it about this thing that is still attractive to people generation after generation?
03:39:29.400How has it evolved? Because it has evolved.
03:39:31.860It has changed. It's attempted to change to meet the demands of its historical period.