Blood Satellite - Bucceesian overLARPing Magisteria

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite oh boy oh boy oh boy yeah i i me telling you how i'm in a funk put you in a funk

00:00:25.260 no i like it i mean you gotta have something to hate i'm like oh man new episode you're like 0.56

00:00:30.980 yeah you're like a dog you're like like a german shepherd would you take german shepherd i'll take 0.99

00:00:39.000 german shepherd yeah yeah i'm man i'm a dumbest nigga i'm sad too that's you yeah man this is 0.99

00:00:47.180 now the this is now the the furry the furry cast bs furry cast yeah i tell you what we've done a 0.97

00:00:53.300 lot of episodes without getting into any furry stuff you know what i mean yeah i think there

00:00:58.720 might have been like an early one where we mentioned it but like where's it been we can

00:01:02.820 do a furry cast as a treat now that's that's the point i don't want to here's the thing you're

00:01:10.680 doing the opposite of what i was proud of oh oh times how's it going how about a dump truck of 0.99

00:01:19.340 shame just plopped down in the center of my life damn son where'd you find 0.99

00:01:26.300 i can only save myself with a ted post hey it's me humphrey bong fought here he's he's 1.00

00:01:37.180 smoking a dude care i'm smoking the weeds oh yeah it's me humphrey bong fought

00:01:45.500 yeah like i was saying everything in my life has been collapsing lately so i was trying to sift

00:01:53.260 through my memories for something good and i i was going to mention this i forgot but we went

00:01:58.520 to the zoo the other day oh yeah to the toronto zoo with nickels never been before yeah they'll

00:02:05.640 let anybody in there put your animals in there this place is full of creatures

00:02:13.360 you know it's funny and we didn't know this going in we didn't know until it was too late 0.99

00:02:20.240 we ended up there on jew day

00:02:22.520 yeah the one day that they let the jews in right i didn't know that there was a jew day but

00:02:31.100 that has to be what it was because we're in there and nichols does this adorable thing 0.90

00:02:37.360 where every time he sees a hasidic jew he goes oh no

00:02:41.940 did you teach him that or he just has like i didn't teach him that beautiful it just came

00:02:49.260 from within just like his love of sharks i gave him a whole spread of marine life look at all

00:02:54.100 the look at the majesty of nature you got your jellyfish you got dolphins everything he gravitates

00:02:59.420 towards the shark i didn't i didn't make him do it he just did it i see nichols what does a shark

00:03:05.360 do and he chomps his teeth up and down he's never seen a shark how does he know that they bite the

00:03:09.740 shit out of people yeah he just it it's in them you know it's yeah he likes all the cool animals

00:03:16.220 blood memory not a turd of a beast in the mix yeah but anyway we're walking in there and you 1.00

00:03:23.820 see a couple hasidic jews with the you're seeing yarmulkes you're seeing the wide brim hats 0.62

00:03:29.500 everyone's got the exact same coat um and the women i didn't even know this uh off the top but 0.89

00:03:36.780 they all have that headband that's like the female yarmulke they have some kind of black headband

00:03:42.060 they'll wear oh that's weird yeah and so i'm in there and you see a few and you think that's weird

00:03:48.220 take some photos you know in the wild as it were but then half of the museum is them

00:03:55.100 jeez and now you're aware you're not afraid but you've got a situational awareness

00:04:01.260 this shouldn't be something's happening here yeah and then you just hear the

00:04:07.560 like just sort of like a a trembling a murmur of the voices i go

00:04:14.480 yeah it's if i had to describe it it would be the opposite of music

00:04:20.100 there's there's something that puts me on edge and it's not just like a racial

00:04:26.120 hatred thing which i also feel but it's like uh it's like being around being around a rabid animal

00:04:34.200 and you don't know what it's gonna do and you just want to leave like you can't you can't let

00:04:38.740 your guard down you can't like you're you're bristling kind of and i feel that way anytime

00:04:43.260 there's more than like you're in a room with more than four or five hasadim the other one is like 0.98

00:04:47.720 northwestern mainland chinese that are just so stripped down of all humanity and their body 1.00

00:04:54.700 language that they're they're savage they're true true savages like an andaman islander um but yeah 1.00

00:05:00.780 i mean anytime that i've been in close proximity to large groups of hasadim and because they they 0.97

00:05:05.560 kind of pretend to be human when they're near normal people but when they're in a group like

00:05:09.900 you said the way that they talk and behave around each other and like kind of rub up against each 0.99

00:05:13.320 other and the way they move their arms it's like you you're fucking aliens dude you know it's weird 0.97

00:05:19.000 too and this is i'm sure just a western poison sort of idea but i wonder what the courtship 0.98

00:05:25.700 process is like for a man and a woman who have to wear a uniform by which i mean like they all

00:05:31.040 have the same get up the women all kind of dress the same the men all kind of dress the same

00:05:35.960 and like i know it's the same ethnicity and everything but it's like it's so regimented

00:05:42.060 how you have to appear and engage with each other i'm like i don't know that feels like something

00:05:46.500 other than than romance like it's a duty like there's of course there's a duty there but i'm

00:05:51.460 like well what's your what's your marriage like you know do you guys argue i did like actually

00:05:57.960 i'm really asking this do hasidic jews like get into yelling matches and like statistically we

00:06:02.960 know this from uh from like reports coming out of new york for the past 30 years but even more 1.00

00:06:09.420 than the normal jewish population the hasidim are all like incestuous sex pests so like half of 1.00

00:06:17.720 those people that you saw were molested as children by their fathers and uncles and mothers 1.00

00:06:23.560 so again you add that back into the mix and it's like maybe yeah like what it's but it's bad all

00:06:32.240 the way it's beyond it's beyond anything that we can comprehend that's why it's alien it's truly

00:06:37.120 alien this is just a no good situation i found myself in i'm here to look at a cheetah nichols

00:06:44.580 likes cheetah he says cheetah and so i'm like i got news for you pal i took you where they 1.00

00:06:51.240 fucking make them i took you to the fucking animal factory you fucking you fucking dummy 1.00

00:06:57.060 look at this shit and then you know you see them all you get the zebras zebra you know what they 1.00

00:07:05.660 didn't have the rhino out i told him no rhino today we can see the zebras i know as the words 1.00

00:07:11.260 come out of my mouth i don't believe those he knows i just i don't believe that zebra is a 0.99

00:07:15.660 shit animal yeah it only makes sense to a specific type of sociopath just a painted horse what do 1.00

00:07:22.680 you what do you want yeah we can go see horses horses over here pal and speaking of situational 0.99

00:07:29.100 awareness nickels has a highly developed situational awareness he knows that as we're

00:07:35.380 approaching the polar bear i've told him about polar bears he's read about polar bears in his

00:07:39.560 books that was the only animal we were approaching and went no no no no like he yelled that he just

00:07:45.600 didn't want to go because he knows that's a truly fearsome predator did he think you're gonna put

00:07:52.840 him in the cage well why not because again look at it from his point of view he doesn't know what

00:07:57.060 this is right because i always remember that and sometimes i just kind of make myself laugh

00:08:02.420 just considering seeing the first things through his eyes he doesn't know what anything is 0.99

00:08:07.780 so it's like oh we're walking up to a polar bear are you fucking insane you know what we did you 0.99

00:08:13.780 took him to this um a big family event the people who don't have any kids you won't know what this 0.99

00:08:19.720 is but a lot of your life eventually becomes taking your children to where other families just

00:08:25.780 are it's usually like a hall of some kind and they had it over in a belleville i think but we were in

00:08:33.500 there and it was just a dinosaur exhibit so these animatronic dinosaurs and pretty no realistic

00:08:39.540 enough rubber but they roar and they move around and everything and um he treated it like what it

00:08:47.360 was which was the look on his face said father you've brought us to where the velociraptors are

00:08:55.040 he was not terrified but he was very concerned he'd go up to the triceratops and he's like okay

00:09:04.060 he touches right he's having a great time then he sees the t-rex he looks at me i got a photo 0.97

00:09:08.020 of this he looked at me like what the fuck are you doing this can't be safe you put this whole 0.94

00:09:15.380 family in danger and i thought well yeah that like that makes sense i like that he's thinking 0.99

00:09:22.100 i like that he's looking at me like you failed this family i have if this was real i would have

00:09:26.660 failed like i'm gonna take them to the opening day of jurassic park yeah what what a fraudulent 0.52

00:09:32.500 man i would be one of the gorillas had a hat he had like a tim pool but not a hat on his head he 0.58

00:09:38.900 was just chewing on a hat oh cool so again to nichols it's like well where's the rest of where's 0.89

00:09:44.020 the dude where's the rest of the boy where's the bald korean guy yeah where's the korean guy he's

00:09:50.340 always he's often wondering where the koreans are there's there's this funny video so you can see

00:09:59.300 this right this is bobby lee yeah yeah yeah side is like koreans they might have a god complex

00:10:03.620 but they don't have a history of oppression oppressing another group of people each other

00:10:09.060 right are you out of your mind what the you don't think asians had they didn't

00:10:14.660 oppressed koreans koreans didn't have slaves we didn't fly did koreans have slaves korea 0.88

00:10:21.620 had the longest unbroken chain of slavery 0.68

00:10:34.500 see what i love about that it's that they're looking at wikipedia the wikipedia was immediately 0.99

00:10:40.660 written as if to specifically prove him wrong yeah like i might as well said you moron 0.90

00:10:51.140 nickel's got a hold of my laptop and said who had the most slaves and he thinks he knows the 0.99

00:10:57.060 answer he's like all of us he's got his own prejudices he's like okay it might not be whites 0.78

00:11:02.340 that's what the media wants me to believe but i bet it's gonna be aztecs he wasn't expecting

00:11:07.140 koreans yeah he wasn't expecting north koreans to be the good guys because that's a good question

00:11:14.260 which hemisphere of korea right now if you had to guess would have the most slaves you know it's 0.50

00:11:23.140 probably the south because it's there it supports more population probably because you'd think oh

00:11:28.180 the north but why why me i bet it's the south i bet the south is such a geopolitical enigma i

00:11:34.740 i can't even look at it there's nothing there it's a it's a rorschach test of un helmets but it's the

00:11:40.860 nicest state it's been in the history of korea right now because it used to for thousands of 0.91

00:11:46.060 years be 100 favelas and like the most insane torturous obscene violence against humanity 0.98

00:11:53.640 imaginable because that whole that whole region not just the koreans but the whole eastern 0.98

00:11:57.560 seaboard there has been like that for a long time so i don't know why why do people think that asians

00:12:03.700 are really is it like the the filter where asians in north america are like all friendly and smart

00:12:08.160 and have good english that everybody thinks asians are really nice like asians are historically 0.99

00:12:12.780 asians are absolutely savage dude well because everyone thinks like oh the mongols were this way

00:12:18.820 and then china seems kind of dark but i think people just assume that thailand was just people 1.00

00:12:23.700 riding elephants around but then you again you learn more about korea and you think you hear

00:12:30.060 their language uh and you you or you hear about like okay 1500 years of slavery that's a long 0.59

00:12:35.980 time for slavery like unbroken slavery wow camps yeah champs then you hear about their language

00:12:42.780 the korean language and it turns out i'd heard this somewhere before but i remember looking it

00:12:48.220 up to verify it then forgot half of it but it was like the korean language is very easy to learn

00:12:54.700 because it's like a phonetic alphabet it's not like the chinese language or the japanese language

00:13:01.180 that's interesting i didn't know that it's actually pretty rudimentary and it was invented

00:13:05.260 way more recently so i'm like so you were just all illiterate until it's that's what we hear

00:13:10.300 about aboriginals they didn't have a rin language until like the 90s or something like oh so you 0.93

00:13:14.780 were fucked up illiterate or they were in such constant flux due to like unrest that they never 0.94

00:13:22.140 manage to settle anything okay here we go i'm gonna fact check myself in the 15th century king 0.99

00:13:28.400 sejong the great personally developed the alphabetical feature writing system known

00:13:33.120 today as hangul to promote literacy among common people so it's a 15th century creation yeah so

00:13:38.960 the 500 years the korean alphabet was denounced by the yangban dynasty who looked down upon it

00:13:44.000 for being too easy to learn that's that's so classic it's so funny that they just know this

00:13:51.160 is this is too dumb too easy people are gonna have fun it's they're gonna figure it out right

00:13:56.860 away no we're not doing it imagine inventing ebonics before english why you keep calling 0.98

00:14:03.440 hoping that english can evolve from that no no no you don't understand how this works

00:14:13.700 you know what here's one this is going to introduce a jumping off point that we've

00:14:19.800 talking about for probably a while and i was not planning on doing this but uh you can see this

00:14:25.620 right yeah so we got for those listening we got two blacks in front of us one appears to be

00:14:32.240 african-american the other is just african and he's going to talk about how in africa there's no 0.96

00:14:39.120 across the entire continent in every city every country that they're they lack a concept of

00:14:45.560 maintenance trying to say that from what i'm understanding in third world countries

00:14:50.760 anything that is not under maintenance is because you know we just we're we don't care

00:14:59.000 no you care it's not in the concept travel the 54 countries in africa ask each person in every

00:15:05.480 country what is wrong with your country leadership leadership all of you say the same word so let me

00:15:10.280 ask you since 1960 the country has been picking the wrong leader every four years not a single

00:15:16.440 railway bill by the british is in nigeria today but the one they built in their country that same

00:15:21.800 year it's still running not a single railway built in ghana in 1960 is still there today

00:15:27.240 what do you know in that country that has been properly maintained by the people

00:15:31.560 every day and it works perfectly it's hard for people to maintain things when they're not gaining

00:15:38.360 a lot no it's hard for people to maintain things when they have they don't have the concept of

00:15:43.880 maintenance in their culture what is the one word in igbo for maintenance maintenance is there's no

00:15:50.680 direct english word for that it doesn't translate directly to that's correct how about you it doesn't

00:15:56.680 translate that's correct but it says it translates to like take care of no that's not maintenance

00:16:02.120 well in order to maintain something you have to have it first correct no if i leave it for you

00:16:07.160 you can maintain it i spiritually respond to this african man yeah in trying to communicate these

00:16:15.480 ideas and if you can't see their faces there's three people there another guy and another woman

00:16:20.440 for those who are just listening the the dumbstruck look on their faces as he's explaining this like

00:16:27.160 they're i don't even think they can compute what he's saying like when she says well you can't

00:16:31.880 maintain things when you don't have them it's like oh you weren't even listening you don't

00:16:36.120 know what's going on yeah we're literally talking about maintenance of things like oh we're past the

00:16:40.760 point of admitting that you've never built anything for yourself it's everything that you have was

00:16:45.640 built for you by the british and 50 years later none of it exists so he's not even grasping the

00:16:50.440 conversation he touches on a point there that you don't have the concept in your language and you

00:16:56.440 might think that oh you just need to invent the word you can't really do that because if they

00:17:00.440 they could that they would right they admit like imagine being that person where you're aware of

00:17:06.860 this word existing in some language and you know it doesn't exist in your own so you're aware of

00:17:10.520 the concept but you're stuck between worlds then like you kind of secretly know that it's not

00:17:16.840 present over here but i don't know it's it's like a total bifurcation of your existence being able

00:17:23.260 to partially understand why this this whole area doesn't can't do a thing because they can't

00:17:29.660 grasp it intellectually yeah it's the only way to explain it i think the i think the word not

00:17:35.880 being in the language is kind of like a a neat shorthand not not to prove it but just to like

00:17:42.140 as an example it's like that's like a tangential part of what's going on but the proof the real

00:17:47.260 proof is the fact that they i mean it's they don't want to admit this but they literally don't

00:17:52.980 maintain did you see the one there's one in africa where they were pulling they were pulling like

00:17:57.660 insulating oil out of the transformers on power poles to to fry food yeah yeah like they were

00:18:03.360 knocking over poles to get the oil so that they could do like you know crab boils and it's like

00:18:09.320 now you have no electricity ever ever again actually because that was built 50 years ago

00:18:13.880 it was already failing this now it's gone this was so great about all these old articles you

00:18:20.040 would find in american renaissance or v dare or any of these publications uns review which probably

00:18:25.680 has them because they got they go back to the 90s they go back to the 80s i think sometimes but

00:18:30.640 a lot of this has already been written and catalogued all these cases of you'll never 0.69

00:18:35.840 guess what the africans did you'll never guess like they're knocking down this they're using 0.52

00:18:40.560 like the motor oil to fry chicken or the one i always think of how these people it's very rare 0.97

00:18:49.200 like every which like every thousand people in africa you'll get like two out of the thousand

00:18:54.160 who could hypoth conceivably think like a westerner or they plan ahead but it's a

00:18:59.200 crab bucket mentality so those people are ground down into nothing where they get some life savings

00:19:05.920 going and they invest in something then the family descends and picks it apart and says oh you grew

00:19:10.480 all this corn for and then you're trying to get a farm going so i need all the corn now for me and

00:19:15.440 my family because i got 20 kids you're selfish if you don't give it to me so now you don't have a

00:19:20.400 possible case that person escapes to the west and has a reasonably fair life but again the point is

00:19:26.800 they're no longer in africa so africa as a as a continent can't benefit from it and that that's

00:19:33.520 the sort of immigration where hypothetically i would hear it out but it's so rare that it's almost

00:19:42.080 a statistical rounding error you know what i mean yeah where it's like even thomas soul talks about

00:19:46.960 that back in the day where he says you know immigration is typically done by exceptional

00:19:51.200 people who don't fit in in their country and they come to the country with new fit and i'm like

00:19:55.200 i think that's got to be like 0.5 percent you know i mean like it's almost statistically

00:19:59.440 irrelevant sure but if that was all we were getting it wouldn't matter it ought to be i think

00:20:04.000 the point is that's something that some of us might actually accept it's just like in the

00:20:07.440 reality that's not actually yeah that's not actually you might get 12 people a year

00:20:11.440 yeah like 12 japanese people who want to be homer simpson in america and you know what i will take

00:20:18.240 those 12. if i will take them from americans because i want them here i want the homer

00:20:23.120 simpson japanese i want them in ontario yeah there's two things about that everybody knows

00:20:29.440 this but i'll just repeat it the the the the super intelligent african who actually quote

00:20:34.480 unquote learns how to think like a westerner he comes over here and we let him integrate

00:20:38.240 he still brings all of his cultural mores and everything with him which means he's never

00:20:42.160 actually going to be a westerner and we should we should not let him but the other thing is the

00:20:45.600 thing i really don't like about it if we do accept the exceptional from these countries

00:20:50.400 then you get what's going on like we talked a minute ago about like what is it with like western 0.52

00:20:55.760 raised koreans that they think that their country is full of super intelligent and kind people when 0.98

00:21:00.480 they're actually retarded savages well it's because the only koreans in north america are 1.00

00:21:04.800 the super intelligent westernized ones this is true of almost all asian immigration that's what 1.00

00:21:09.200 i was going to get to where it's um it does brain drain yeah it's just the only words brain drain 0.64

00:21:15.440 is one issue but the the actual i'm trying to point out is that as westerners as say talk about

00:21:20.480 the talk about the koreans as non-korean westerners we look at koreans and we're like what do we know

00:21:25.760 about koreans well they're super smart and uh they're very polite and they're great engineers

00:21:32.240 and um i'm like no they're they're not any of those things you literally are talking about 0.86

00:21:36.800 the top 0.1 they shoot black rioters they're on roofs again like none of this is none of this

00:21:42.480 has anything to do with koreans as a group globally especially if you talk about korean 0.52

00:21:47.280 culture and korean history and their genotype that exists in their country this is like it's

00:21:53.440 you're literally cherry picking the top one percent of one percent and then build and then 0.99

00:21:58.720 and it's why i wouldn't mind more of those greens guess what you got them all already they're all

00:22:03.920 in los angeles and new york keep mind we need to start looking at them the same way that the 0.85

00:22:09.680 japanese would look at the white misfits that go over there you know i mean we're like oh they love 0.83

00:22:16.800 japanese culture they got a kimono here's a white guy with a samurai sword the japanese look at him 0.99

00:22:22.480 and say i don't want these look it's not she don't know it's just me i don't want this type of white 0.52

00:22:29.680 i don't want the type of white guy who move over i like white people over there right you know i 0.99

00:22:34.720 don't maybe i don't want the korean who doesn't fit in in korea it's like weird and fucked up and 0.99

00:22:40.160 wants to come over here it's got all kinds of misconceptions about what it's like you know 0.99

00:22:46.160 what i mean yeah where he's like a sex tourist i'm like you can't be a korean sex tourist it doesn't 1.00

00:22:50.800 work you can't do it you can actually only be a white sex tourist or a black rapist 1.00

00:22:56.300 when's the last time you heard of a mexican sex tourist i mean i mean because what is a sex 1.00

00:23:04.500 tourist but a man being decent and paying consensually for a woman i mean it's probably 0.93

00:23:12.840 just that all other sex tourists aren't sex tourists because they don't pay they're just 1.00

00:23:17.020 rapists they're rape they're rape tourists maybe you know an indian what is an indian except a 0.99

00:23:24.340 sex tourist in whatever room he's in he's he's always trying to proffer sex to someone and 1.00

00:23:31.320 everyone always refuses if i said indians are a sex tourist in the true sense of the word in that 0.99

00:23:36.140 they stand beside sexual things and take a photo of themselves with it 0.99

00:23:41.140 the eternal sex tourist an indian sex tourist like he's a tourist he goes and finds a statue 1.00

00:23:48.780 with its tits out and then puts his face and does a selfie that's a sex tourist 0.99

00:23:54.080 just uh um i wanted to call attention this clip that some people have seen before but to contrast 0.99

00:24:00.720 it against the one we were just watching this is um jl borges jl borges or jl borge i don't know

00:24:10.980 He's a Spanish guy, so I like to split it both ways.

00:24:13.880 He's talking about why he prefers English to Spanish,

00:24:17.380 which is his mother tongue.

00:24:19.840 I find English far finer language than Spanish.

00:24:23.880 Why?

00:24:25.220 Well, there are many reasons.

00:24:26.640 Firstly, English is both a Germanic and a Latin language.

00:24:34.820 It goes to registers.

00:24:37.380 For example, for any idea you take, you have two words.

00:24:40.300 And those words do not mean exactly the same.

00:24:42.460 For example, if I say regal, they're not exactly the same thing as saying kingly, but if I

00:24:47.800 say fraternal, I'm not saying brotherly, or dark and obscure, those words are different.

00:24:53.680 It would make all the difference, speaking, for example, of the Holy Spirit, and it would

00:24:57.360 make all the difference in the word in a poem, if I wrote about the Holy Spirit and not about

00:25:00.480 the Holy Ghost, since ghost is a fine, dark Saxon word, while spirit is a Latin word.

00:25:07.900 And then there's another reason.

00:25:08.900 The reason is that I think that the whole languages, English is the most physical of

00:25:15.400 all languages.

00:25:16.400 The most what?

00:25:17.400 Physical.

00:25:18.400 For example, you can't, for example, he loomed over.

00:25:20.400 You can't very well say that in Spanish.

00:25:22.400 As someone?

00:25:23.400 No, but it's not exactly the same.

00:25:26.400 And then you have, then in English you can do, well you can do almost anything with words

00:25:31.400 and repositions.

00:25:32.400 For example, to laugh off, to dream away.

00:25:36.400 anyway i won't keep going but i i think about that all the time in that we're talking about

00:25:41.420 language and we're talking about what can be done with the language or why english is so popular

00:25:44.900 or why when he said they can laugh off or dream away and this these magic you can conjure with

00:25:51.380 verbs and suppositions that's lacking in other languages i think that means their imagination

00:25:56.260 and their minds are also lacking because i think the the median or the average you know westerner

00:26:04.320 regardless of their high iq or mid iq they kind of understand that right which means that

00:26:10.140 i think at a genetic level their minds can apprehend these more abstract ideas more readily

00:26:16.640 you know if you're an 80 iq or below it doesn't probably can't do anything but i think like

00:26:21.300 even if we're just doing iq like 120 iq westerner is different than 120 iq chinese person that's my

00:26:31.880 contention what do you think yeah yeah absolutely i forget somebody's gonna dig me there's a theory

00:26:37.040 of around this it's a well-established area of discussion that the languages that someone is

00:26:44.940 raised in the culture that they're raised in affects the way that their brain works by the

00:26:49.040 time they're an adult and i remember i think i had this conversation with you years ago but it's a

00:26:53.220 topic we talked about a lot in hong kong because um chinese cantonese specifically because it's a

00:27:01.860 is almost no relationship between similar words like words with similar meaning don't sound the

00:27:07.300 same and words that sound the same don't typically have similar meaning which is totally opposite

00:27:11.220 from english like in english you hear a new word you can break it down and you can almost assume

00:27:16.980 accurately what it means and the the nice thing about that aside from being able to figure things

00:27:21.620 out without learning them is that you can make up words on the fly and people you can literally make 1.00

00:27:26.260 up a word and everyone in the room knows what you're saying you cannot do that which chinese 0.97

00:27:31.700 which inspires sort of a scientific breaking down of language right there's just rote memorization

00:27:38.340 exactly that's what i was going to say like in uh i think if you look at chinese in my experience

00:27:42.980 mostly in business everything is very brute force things are the way they are and we don't question 1.00

00:27:48.900 them and we're going to follow this rule and we're going to walk ourselves right off a cliff with it

00:27:54.100 because that's how we do things and at least we did it the way that we're supposed to do it

00:27:58.020 and there's no there's no like improvisation or i think not innovation improvisation is probably

00:28:04.500 the best way to put it yeah like you're you're always even in the middle of a process you're

00:28:07.940 always kind of matching um patterns and doing little plays on words but not like not about

00:28:14.180 words but like plays on different versions of the plan different versions of the project or

00:28:19.540 relationships between people and things that might work and you're kind of tossing ideas around that

00:28:23.460 doesn't happen with for them they don't do that so and i think it's i think it's the language

00:28:28.900 yeah and it's a different it's a different way of understanding not only communication but

00:28:33.540 things because even on the language level there's an encouragement to break it apart or use it in a

00:28:39.460 way you're unfamiliar with but that also lets you that lets you communicate with people easier

00:28:45.140 because you're actually just latching on to a rhythm and if you're a native english speaker

00:28:51.060 like myself like yourself like many of the listeners here if you really think about your

00:28:56.400 interactions with people i bet you use words every single day that you cannot define you

00:29:02.960 cannot define them well and and or a word like quantify we all know quantify means like define

00:29:09.520 quantify and try and use it in a word in a sense that doesn't try to find in a way that doesn't

00:29:15.980 use another complicated word it's like to quantify what's i mean well it's kind of like to calculate

00:29:20.460 you know i mean like no no no actually break it down and i'm not saying that the listeners can't

00:29:25.760 i'm saying most people couldn't i'm glad you brought up that example because i remember a

00:29:29.480 moment that wasn't that long ago you know i'm almost 40 it was maybe five years ago that i

00:29:34.300 heard somebody use the phrase i think it's the first time that i thought about it was somebody

00:29:39.260 said quantity has a quality all its own and then you can inverse that and say quality has a quantity

00:29:45.540 all its own but to say hold on so to quantify is to put things in numbers in terms of numbers and

00:29:50.000 qualify to qualify something is to put it in terms of quality and i never or to like to to interpret

00:29:57.100 something in terms of quality and i never understood the one until i put it in the context of

00:30:02.780 the other but we could do that because it's the the look i'm not a fucking linguist but the if i

00:30:07.460 at the end and then the qual versus the quant and we know what the qual and quant mean because 0.96

00:30:11.420 they're parts of a word we probably i sound like an idiot talking about this there's definitely 0.66

00:30:15.480 all kinds of different words you're supposed to use to describe this but you know what 0.57

00:30:19.120 meta here is we can have this conversation you and i know what we're saying the listeners know

00:30:24.160 what we're saying and and that's fine like um what was it born just there he was saying that

00:30:30.300 there's a beauty and a complexity of the language but i detect a stronger utility beneath it in the

00:30:38.080 sense that we understand we're using this language to accomplish something whereas with other

00:30:44.040 languages and indeed other foreign systems they're systems for the sake of systems as

00:30:49.320 complexity for the sake of complexity as it's saying look at this massive complex frame like

00:30:55.080 how many words do they have in chinese like to us that doesn't matter it doesn't make you

00:31:00.520 smarter for learning it it's more difficult to learn but i can't do as much with it which to me

00:31:07.080 means it's it's ineffective and i can i can put this side by side with how they choose to run

00:31:13.160 their companies and how they choose to run their culture like the white guy the western white man

00:31:20.120 sometimes he's made fun of for being too casual in the office steve jobs would have caused that

00:31:25.400 i'm sure i talked about this recently but you know the rebellion against the suit right like

00:31:30.680 let's throw everything in the air let's wear sneakers in the office and you say you know back

00:31:34.440 in the day people used to wear three-piece suits the office wasn't it great back then and i would

00:31:38.680 and say okay but why do you have a reason why tell me why because for the white guy who might

00:31:45.580 very well be an engineer an engineer who is running a startup he's saying like this gets in the way of

00:31:50.480 me thinking this doesn't matter we're here to get a job done and maybe that job gets done better in

00:31:55.640 jeans and sneakers right or whatever but actually don't care about this culture if the culture's 0.89

00:32:01.900 getting in the way of doing the actual fucking thing which is generating revenue with our product 0.85

00:32:06.100 or service but no other country in the world could do that because they were still playing catch up 1.00

00:32:11.720 with wearing suits and that's what indians do all the time where it's like you wear a suit and you 1.00

00:32:15.500 wear a bluetooth headset and you learn the language and you you learn the moves you memorize the moves 0.98

00:32:21.440 to be in business whereas the white guy he's cutting all that fat away because he's like i 0.99

00:32:25.960 this doesn't i don't need to do that to signal how effective i am i'm just going to do the fucking 0.97

00:32:31.020 thing and i think there's more respect in that and i could say like oh these were suits back 0.90

00:32:37.100 and i'm like i guess but you know are we just larping are we just being traditional for the 0.95

00:32:43.080 sake of traditional or are we here to get shit done because the whole rest of the world is 0.97

00:32:47.380 obsessed with complex systems of tradition that don't fucking accomplish anything that doesn't 0.98

00:32:52.860 get you to the moon that doesn't get you to the bottom of the ocean that's not a new design for 0.98

00:32:57.260 a fucking chipset that's nothing and that's why they can always only play catch up yeah anyway 0.93

00:33:02.500 that's just a red i don't know i don't know who needs to hear that there's i mean there's there's 0.99

00:33:06.140 two sides to it i guess that's kind of what you're saying there's two sides to it where 0.83

00:33:09.020 you can you can constantly challenge the traditions and possibly fuck up because you

00:33:15.580 weren't smart enough to understand the utility of the tradition uh but if you don't ever challenge

00:33:20.320 them then you can't actually grow and adapt to a changing world so yeah you gotta you gotta play

00:33:25.600 down the middle but i think the important thing to understand is some of these cultures

00:33:29.040 if you think you've found a balance between disruption and tradition we're the only ones

00:33:35.200 that are capable of that some of these places are not capable of that at all so don't don't expect

00:33:40.480 them to come in and model that just because they speak your language absolutely we spent so long

00:33:46.080 on this we didn't even get to what i wanted to talk about i don't know what i have to say about

00:33:51.920 this so pope francis died no

00:33:59.440 his body was placed by the main altar for a short ceremony

00:34:05.840 after which the many waiting outside were allowed to file in francis's body will lie

00:34:12.400 in state in saint peter's until friday evening allowing thousands of people to have individual

00:34:18.640 moments as they file past his

00:34:20.780 coffin. He

00:34:22.420 looks, in this photo, looks like that

00:34:24.700 girl from that The Last of Us show.

00:34:29.060 You know what I mean?

00:34:31.180 That is

00:34:32.260 blasphemous. That atrocity

00:34:34.780 upon the Irish lineage. 1.00

00:34:39.000 You had to search long

00:34:40.840 and hard to find a girl 1.00

00:34:43.020 that looks that fucked up 1.00

00:34:44.400 and does not rebalance it with 0.99

00:34:46.760 acting skill.

00:34:48.640 like you think like oh my god she must be like peter dinklage right like he's a dwarf but look 0.91

00:34:53.800 he makes up for it by being pretty good at what he does she's insane looking and is not good at 0.77

00:35:01.700 acting and she's on the cover of vogue and now she's in my life and now she's she's trying to 1.00

00:35:07.940 teach little girls how to be she should be locked up in a cage away from children she should be

00:35:13.960 locked up in a cage and it's up to the children how close they get and then they prank each other

00:35:21.620 how close they can get to her before they get creeped out yeah i don't have anything bad to

00:35:26.960 say about pro francis officially you know what what do you think about because because right now

00:35:33.120 the debate that's occurring right now is the one that was predicted for many years because everyone

00:35:38.540 knows the post going to die and they're like well who's the next one going to be and then everyone's

00:35:42.960 got their choice or the one they don't want so there's cardinal sarah he's the african pope the

00:35:50.380 dark as midnight black contender who is the most conservative he's the one who's the most

00:35:58.440 anti-homosexuality you know he takes a lot of boxes for people in an intervention published

00:36:04.200 by the newspaper new daily compass the cardinal described the plan to end the traditional latin

00:36:10.640 mass as diabolical stressing that it represents a break with the millinery continuity of the church

00:36:21.040 on the other hand he's a black pope so would probably be incredibly pro-immigration just 0.95

00:36:27.520 because he's black watch him be so conservative except he wants mass immigration immediately 0.82

00:36:33.360 this is the thing he has come out against mass immigration too in europe but he's the only one 0.74

00:36:38.320 so like it's suspicious you know i mean like it's suspicious that i'm the black pope so i'm

00:36:43.600 going to be the most conservative on every single issue and nobody else it's a good thing popes

00:36:47.980 never change their mind on things well that's what i'm thinking i'm like you know we've been

00:36:51.800 here before you know like it's just it's it's too perfect so like someone is someone lying here what

00:36:58.360 is it he might very well be the next pope though right now you're allowed to complain about them

00:37:02.640 if you're a catholic you're not allowed to complain about the pope once he's there but for now it's

00:37:07.260 perfect little segment of time 0.99

00:37:09.940 where you can talk shit about 0.99

00:37:11.640 a future. There's no rules against talking shit about 0.99

00:37:13.500 cardinals. Get all your shit talking 1.00

00:37:15.580 and against all of the cardinals 1.00

00:37:17.140 right now. He looks like

00:37:19.480 a really cruel drawing of

00:37:21.560 himself. What the fuck happened? 1.00

00:37:23.640 I'm going to start forwarding that this is a different guy. 0.99

00:37:26.560 The Pope is not dead.

00:37:27.700 Something

00:37:27.900 Was this a more recent photo?

00:37:31.740 Because what a lot of people were saying was they

00:37:33.420 wanted him to die on Easter

00:37:35.600 and so he actually probably died like a month or so ago and you think he was a body double yeah

00:37:42.480 i've seen that you know what because it was wild that he died on easter when does that happen

00:37:48.640 yeah give me a break there's like oh the pope died on easter sunday or whatever like nah

00:37:53.760 nah that's why i say hitler died on 420 the weed day i don't think so

00:37:59.960 i think i think they made the weed day they made the weed day on hitler's birthday hitler died

00:38:07.340 first okay also uh some uh skillful listeners might have clocked that i mixed up his death

00:38:15.880 day with his birthday humiliation 420 is actually hitler's birthday maybe he died on the same day

00:38:21.700 as his birthday i don't know that'd be wild oh here's the problem no one knows when he died

00:38:27.100 if he was alive how old would he be javier millay knows when he died we talked about that in the

00:38:33.880 other one they released they'd be nobody died they have his death certificate and everything

00:38:36.760 now he died in like 1983 or something i didn't see the 90s the 90s no hitler in the 90s would

00:38:45.360 have been good yeah hitler hitler in the 90s but he's also like this very grumpy lost generation

00:38:52.620 chervin guy you know in ray-bans so the reason that uh this is news with the pope is the rumor

00:39:04.320 was that jd vance killed pope because he's the last guy to see him right last guy to see him

00:39:10.680 yeah he snubbed him originally went back dies immediately after and it's not not suspicious

00:39:19.220 maybe jd vance went back realized it was a body double and killed the body double

00:39:25.780 in in anger this plays to my dreams of jd vance being a wildly murderous man

00:39:33.700 yeah he's a wild card jd vance went to the vatican with with bloodshed on his mind

00:39:40.880 got there turned out the hit was already done somebody else beat him to it classic first act

00:39:48.600 problem now now how is he gonna take redeem his contract he's gotta take his wife to india he was

00:39:56.880 counting on that money he's gotta take his kids to india to stare directly at the sun we're living

00:40:01.940 in the first act of a 2028 summer blockbuster but he gets there pope's already dead what's he

00:40:06.400 gonna do who's he gonna kill because he can't leave the vatican without a body

00:40:11.420 he's gotta take the body with him oh man the pope died and the body devil died they don't have

00:40:21.660 either one of the bodies because jd vance the question is is this a michael fastbender vehicle

00:40:28.040 or is this a rowan atkinson vehicle yeah is this where he needs to stage the pope as if it was

00:40:34.700 killed by him and not the other assassin they're both for the next 45 minutes trying to

00:40:40.920 engineer situations where it looks like their

00:40:43.340 bullet or their garrote

00:40:45.260 or whatever.

00:40:46.900 This ain't a bad movie.

00:40:48.720 This would be way better than Conclave. I'd see this twice

00:40:51.420 probably.

00:40:53.660 They used to make Vatican movies

00:40:55.300 back in the day. Now they just make

00:40:57.460 trans movies with 1.00

00:40:59.280 the fucking Pope in it. 1.00

00:41:02.420 So I want to know 1.00

00:41:03.280 what you think about this.

00:41:05.160 I'm looking at a video right now.

00:41:07.440 This was just forwarded to me.

00:41:09.220 I don't know anything about this guy called

00:41:10.700 the lunduk journal seems reputable enough dead internet theory confirmed 51 percent of traffic

00:41:19.540 is now non-human the dead internet theory is fully fully confirmed and proven according to the 2025

00:41:28.920 bad bot report from a company named imperva they've been putting these out for for some years now

00:41:33.380 51% so a little over half of all of the traffic on the internet is from non-human sources so that

00:41:42.200 means that only 49% of the traffic that an average website or web service gets is from an actual

00:41:47.780 person the rest of it is all bots it's all it's all uh AI data mining it's all uh fishing bots

00:41:53.340 data scraping and data mining bots it's just bots bots pretending to be people posting stuff it's

00:41:57.800 just bots. It's bots doing bot things and sucking up the

00:42:01.680 bandwidth and server time across the whole world 51%. Check out

00:42:05.320 this Jared is crazy. This is crazy. So they categorize the 0.98

00:42:07.860 bad bot report categorizes all different types of non human

00:42:10.560 traffic into two categories, bad bots and good bots.

00:42:14.040 So we can just pause there because I know he's going to get

00:42:16.480 into the numbers. We don't need to go that deep with it. But my

00:42:21.300 initial thought and I'd love to hear what you think about this

00:42:23.800 because we brought dead internet theory before. Whenever you

00:42:27.200 hear brought up it's brought up with sort of the tone that like 90 of the internet's fake

00:42:33.320 like it's just dead websites everywhere my question is i was looking at the graph that

00:42:37.800 was included here um it could be mislead you see the graph and it's or the chart rather and it's

00:42:43.500 kind of the bots are going up but that could also just be that the amount of people has stayed the

00:42:50.040 same but there's now a disproportionate amount but it's not like there's less people and more

00:42:54.960 bots yeah there's the exact same amount of people but just way more bots there's a lot of different

00:42:59.080 things that are meant by uh when people say dead internet theory and i think the one as users that

00:43:05.380 we often think of is that when you're on social media and you're going to or you're going to

00:43:10.740 websites or whatever that the the posts that you're seeing like the writing or the comments

00:43:16.060 is not made by a real person it's coming from a bot and i don't think that's really true and i

00:43:22.000 also don't think it to the extent that it's true it's very recent because it's a the llms but i

00:43:26.900 think the what he's talking about is on the back end as a website owner or a platform owner who's

00:43:32.740 paying for server time and trying to deal with analytics and all these things most of the data

00:43:38.380 that's coming through that little hole in the wall is uh is robotic it's not actually people

00:43:44.880 acting which is is bad but it's not the same type of bad you it's worse than all this and i recorded

00:43:52.740 a real secret coffee hours about this recently that we'll probably get to in a little actually

00:43:57.340 i'll talk about there's one that i just published i'll talk about the one we mentioned this on the

00:44:02.380 stream about uh what if advertising was made illegal right and uh in the real secret coffee

00:44:08.480 hours i i think i talked about this on the stream i put forward the idea that it's not even so much

00:44:13.640 advertisers that have the problem it's the proliferation of individuals who might as well 0.98

00:44:20.940 be advertisers so uh when when i say that i think of remember that there's that fucking 0.95

00:44:26.940 trend it was like a tiktok woman and she was pretending to be an ai there's like that trend 0.94

00:44:34.300 where people would pretend to be like a bots go yum so yummy hi oh yeah i remember that yeah

00:44:40.280 and like okay so that's what i think of where it's like what's going on here is you're basically an

00:44:57.360 only fans model and you have made yourself into a business or a brand or a character to get money

00:45:02.940 right so the biggest problem of when people hear dead internet theory they think because everything

00:45:07.880 so fake now true everyone kind of does feel fake or performative people complain about that in x

00:45:14.100 all the time where it's rage baiting or you're making dollars off a controversy that's actually

00:45:19.260 true the worst part it's that the internet is full of human beings that might as well be bots

00:45:25.440 the internet is full of people when the content feels fake here's the thing we only just started

00:45:31.980 now really producing content with ai with llms right just churning out blogs there's a good 10 0.85

00:45:38.700 years where it was real people writing the most robotic bullshit blogs you've ever had and because 0.88

00:45:45.560 they made money off it right so the fakeness of the internet is i maybe blame millennials for 0.98

00:45:51.060 this because we're the first big generation to do this but it's like we're all hustle like we're

00:45:54.700 hustle mentality people we're all kind of entrepreneurs we're all trying to build a

00:45:59.800 personal brand and we are very eager and ready to pro to prostitute ourselves to brands we want to 0.99

00:46:07.220 be influencers we want to get you know this going back to gamergate going back to all that shit 0.98

00:46:11.260 where if you get rid of advertising it wouldn't solve the problem that most of the young people 1.00

00:46:17.780 out there right now are whores and are looking for sponsorship and are looking for a sugar daddy 1.00

00:46:22.720 and will turn themselves into a billboard or whatever the fuck it is whatever metaphor you 1.00

00:46:28.680 need see what i'm saying so it's like dead internet theory it's not because of real bots 0.98

00:46:34.640 it's that there's real people who are just acting like fucking bots and i think that's twice as bad 0.79

00:46:39.740 yeah no absolutely i don't know what to do about that that's just that's a cultural thing that's 0.96

00:46:45.060 a generational thing i don't know it's kind of funny with it with all the attention on llms we

00:46:49.860 can like pretend that this is this is the new problem like it wasn't us doing it the whole time

00:46:55.900 but if anything the llms are just the cap on it that's sealing it also when people they were 0.75

00:47:02.320 talking recently about all these indian scammers who got discovered for running engagement farms

00:47:09.220 basically on x specifically so and they would post hundreds of times a day you need to post 0.84

00:47:17.140 like once every couple minutes to get this to work but it'll be like coffee or tea respond below

00:47:22.680 right it's just a numbers game and then they would join these group chats where they would

00:47:28.120 just like boost each other stuff it's the oldest trick in the book but you can if you do it enough

00:47:32.780 you can generate some kind of income they said though they're gaming the system true but i can

00:47:40.300 name you a dozen or so big name accounts from our side of the pond from our side of the political

00:47:47.200 spectrum big popular people who basically do the same thing yeah i'm pretty sure this is what

00:47:52.880 richard hanania does the richard hanania has decided you know what i'm going to post the most 0.83

00:47:57.920 enraging dog possible and just get hundreds and hundreds of replies tell me to kill myself

00:48:05.040 respond to none of them you'll notice that with rich and handy he posted raging things

00:48:08.800 and never engages right he never responds interesting so he's a guy like i'm not saying

00:48:15.120 this is his master plan but i'm saying a lot of these people that's the same thing that's

00:48:19.840 an indian style thing which is like i'm just gonna rage bait but i'm gonna act like it's

00:48:25.040 culture i'm gonna act like it's dissident and maybe it is because maybe nothing's anything

00:48:29.520 maybe everything is maybe that is dissident the true dissidents shaving pennies from people's 0.57

00:48:34.640 eyeballs on x your own people and not giving a who you piss off right why not why not why isn't 0.97

00:48:40.720 everything nothing and why isn't nothing everything uh it's the same shit i'm saying is like anyone 0.99

00:48:45.760 who takes x or twitter very seriously i saw a fucking tweet you know there's this canadian guy 0.97

00:48:52.880 cat turd i was thinking of table salt but this is actually cat turd you know who that is yeah 0.97

00:48:58.880 yeah i've seen cat turd just has no business being as big as he is 3.6 million followers

00:49:06.000 great big cowboy you know he's he's he's on tucker he's everywhere right he's on there

00:49:12.740 complaining let me see if i can read this this must be listened to be believed in the last three

00:49:19.700 or four weeks the algorithm has been so bad on x it's hard to just pay close attention it's hard 0.99

00:49:26.260 to justify putting 12 to 15 hours a day on here busting your ass when you just get throttled to 0.94

00:49:32.840 hell and back for no reason so i'd respond like i just learned that there's people putting 15 hours 0.99

00:49:39.000 into twitter treating it like a job and and the fact that they're that they're that you know

00:49:44.600 they're rubbing up against the algorithm in such a way that it's not really about real engagement

00:49:50.780 with their you know people who are listening to them you're just trying to and i never even

00:49:55.640 understood like do people make money on twitter how do you even make money on like what is the

00:50:00.580 point okay you need to be a partner and if you get enough followers in because i i've been not

00:50:06.860 offered this but i have sort of like the page you can go to because you have to be verified i think

00:50:11.320 and then you have to meet these minimum thresholds so one of them is you need to get like a million

00:50:16.880 views cumulatively per month and then you need x amount of followers and then you need x amount of

00:50:24.420 engagement something like that and then you then you unlock this uh ex-partner program where you

00:50:30.760 get paid based off of the success or virality of your tweets so you got people making a couple

00:50:36.440 hundred dollars here or there then you got these people who are the power users they might be

00:50:41.660 making five seven thousand dollars right yeah it all depends then there's peaks and valleys to that

00:50:48.440 but there's some people who this is their job but how is that any different than an indian office

00:50:57.780 which might as well be a bot farm it's the same thing you're just trying to monetize controversy

00:51:03.800 and just like with the ad discussion it would be more dignified if it was just ads this is so much

00:51:09.620 worse than ads this is like far more subversively trying to exploit my emotions to get money out of

00:51:17.340 and you're just a guy you're not a brand you're not coca-cola you're a man with a twitter

00:51:23.740 name that's just as a corporation you're doing it all for a fairly small payday that you may not

00:51:29.180 even get so you're spending all day trying to disrupt millions of other people's lives

00:51:34.380 for the possibility of a few hundred bucks and then probably not even getting the money

00:51:38.940 like this is shut it down man shut it down because i always explain this to younger people

00:51:45.580 or you know because i had people in my family nieces and nephews who will ask about a career

00:51:50.700 and whatnot and the best way i could explain it is i had to explain this to my wife at one point

00:51:55.740 too because you know she found her career being very difficult at one point or wasn't as rewarding

00:52:01.260 as she thought or as fulfilling and i said no career is like what is a career or a job even

00:52:07.820 you do the same every day and usually it's not it's it's 50 good at best so you have to find

00:52:14.460 something where you're okay doing the worst part of it every single day for the rest of your life

00:52:20.160 it's more more often that it's the worst part of the job it's very rarely the best part of the job

00:52:26.540 so you need to find a job where you're okay with that right so when you think about twitter like

00:52:32.900 that's your job what's the worst part of having being a content creator is your job well the

00:52:39.700 worst part would be saying things you don't believe all the time every day and that's on you

00:52:45.840 you have no one to blame or offload the responsibility to like it's you it's your name

00:52:50.640 it's your personality and the only way to make money is to very slowly shave slices off your

00:52:57.340 soul until you're not saying things that you believe anymore yeah so you've made yourself 1.00

00:53:02.340 even worse than a prostitute yep because your reputation you're just a person that just lives 0.99

00:53:08.560 in a lie every single day of your life now that's the worst day it very rarely is it going to be 0.99

00:53:13.200 you made a viral tweet off of something you believe in i've seen this happen before you how 0.71

00:53:18.320 many husks of content creators have you seen what hell does that sound like i i wouldn't want to do 0.99

00:53:24.220 that because sometimes you will write something and it goes viral holy shit you wrote a tweet 0.82

00:53:29.560 you you published a blog post a sub stack that went viral wow that's kind of lucky you can just 0.86

00:53:35.900 live in that it's like going to a casino what's the difference between making making a thousand

00:53:39.920 dollars at the casino and then being a competitive gambler chasing a salary at that yeah look at a

00:53:46.520 competitive gambler even when they're up does that look like a salary you that they having fun do they

00:53:52.360 look okay one of the most miserable existence is possible absolutely and so when i look wouldn't

00:54:00.060 you like to make money wouldn't you like this to be your job absolutely not and then by the way now

00:54:05.540 that follows you forever now you're that you don't get you don't get to run away from that

00:54:09.780 you don't get to quit that that's your reputation forever as as anyway we're spending too long on

00:54:16.040 this but that is worse than ads that's worse than bots the the real problem was that we made

00:54:21.420 ourselves into bots because we've been chasing the monetization of relationships and maybe this

00:54:27.400 is the millennial thing we have to deal with we need to exit the monetization of everything

00:54:31.700 but i don't know how you know we're forcing this for economic reasons i guess i mean laughing

00:54:37.640 me i was saying something about how since 2008 we we all kind of suffered this thing just calls

00:54:44.800 the fear you know after the first you know like the millennial mind this this thing called the

00:54:50.520 recession still sits pretty high in our minds so we always think the recession's coming the big

00:54:55.540 recession whether or not it even occurred when it was supposed to occur we always think like the big

00:55:00.840 collapses right around the corner which makes everything very fleeting which makes we're always

00:55:06.120 trying to nickel and dime everything trying to make make hey well the sun is shining and we're

00:55:10.840 living we're a very freelancer type generation but that affects everything i think but that leads to

00:55:17.680 like we must monetize that's where hustle culture comes from i think like everyone always worked

00:55:24.120 hard back there yes but like the hustle mentality which is like wake up early go to bed late just

00:55:30.300 always be monetizing always be just doing passive income is the big thing try and get as many plates

00:55:36.960 spinning as you can that's the only way to survive is to have like three jobs four jobs

00:55:43.180 and that's how people use crypto a lot of people just use crypto as another side hustle like they

00:55:48.540 used to say people would lament you know i i miss the old internet when the internet was just the

00:55:54.120 wild wild west and in some sense this is actually the wild west internet in that everybody here

00:56:01.480 is desperate no one ever views you as a human being that you view you as a meal ticket and

00:56:07.880 there are no rules and you're going to get raped and you should not be here here's a great example

00:56:12.600 the early internet was more like the colonies where a bunch of freaks moved into an area and

00:56:19.540 tamed it the wild wild west happened when the railroad company showed up and money started

00:56:25.880 flowing in and they found oil or whatever it was like the story of like the wild west is usually

00:56:30.880 about like the precursor of industrialization in a lot of ways or like the taming of the west 1.00

00:56:35.640 it's like we're in the wild west now because there's money involved there's money and whores 0.98

00:56:40.620 whereas before it was just like freaking freaks and exiles but they all had 20 kids and now it's 0.99

00:56:47.300 Now it's the age of mythology

00:56:50.220 where we're just...

00:56:51.620 Anyway, we're in the Wild West now.

00:56:53.940 How does it feel? Do you like it?

00:56:58.420 I want to go home.

00:57:00.600 I won't talk about this.

00:57:01.480 I haven't even read this yet.

00:57:03.220 This is right up our alley.

00:57:04.820 I'm looking at the Telegraph.

00:57:06.200 This was published this month

00:57:08.620 in 2025.

00:57:10.820 Experiments to dim the sun

00:57:12.700 will be approved within weeks.

00:57:14.240 scientists consider brightening clouds to reflect sunshine among ways to prevent runaway climate

00:57:22.040 change um outdoor field trials trials which could include injecting aerosols in the atmosphere or

00:57:28.820 brightening clouds to reflect sunshine are being considered by scientists as a way to prevent

00:57:32.900 runaway climate change remember these are the people that would call you a kook if you were

00:57:36.960 talking about the harp apparatus you know or talking about like i just are we allowed to say

00:57:43.560 that the chemtrails people had a point yeah i think so at this point yeah because i noticed

00:57:49.240 in the past few years there was a peak where we were all making fun of the chemtrails got not we

00:57:54.820 because we're always on that side or at least pretty you know we'd listen to them um but like

00:58:02.300 the culture was making fun of chemtrails and then that stopped i haven't heard people making fun

00:58:07.200 chemtrails for a while and then there's this where we just accepted that that's well it's it's how we

00:58:11.660 save the world i hope they're spraying aerosol in the clouds i hope they're doing cloud seeding

00:58:17.860 and injecting aluminum in the sky yeah it's for science it's for the environment it's for the

00:58:23.080 children what was that there's a um transition where it's they deny it but by the end of it's

00:58:29.820 like no it was happening and that's a good thing yes we're there right now we're in the final stages

00:58:36.360 we were making fun of you for 20 years

00:58:38.780 but we were right and it's a good thing 1.00

00:58:40.440 and you're kind of fucked up if you notice 0.99

00:58:42.860 it now so 1.00

00:58:44.160 can you not

00:58:45.680 this is about climate change okay

00:58:48.240 no one even believes in climate change anymore

00:58:50.880 I don't know if anyone's noticed that

00:58:52.120 Greta Thunberg isn't talking about climate change

00:58:54.660 she's on OnlyFans

00:58:56.360 Greta Thunberg is out there 1.00

00:58:58.560 she's starting a coffee company 1.00

00:59:00.560 she's making fucking 1.00

00:59:02.500 autism hats 1.00

00:59:04.140 she's on some other shit 1.00

00:59:06.300 there's only the only environmentalists you know about are the panty linkala eco-fascists 1.00

00:59:12.960 and there's the the greenpeace people who i think are just slitting dolphins

00:59:18.360 in half to save their lives like they're just off they're gone the greenpeace people are

00:59:24.060 are shooting gorillas in the back of the head to say to save them from humans

00:59:29.040 those are the two there's no no real people believe in climate change so for you to publish 0.99

00:59:35.900 this like yeah we need to start fucking with the weather because now they're just saying it

00:59:40.240 area the government's advanced research and invention fund the government has an invention 0.88

00:59:46.760 funding agency this is like the cia with the the woolly mammoths again it's crazy and they're

00:59:55.860 saying it like you should know it's like oh yeah we uh the cia is woolly mammoth division

00:59:59.680 hold the fort

01:00:03.380 I set aside $50 million

01:00:05.860 for projects which will be announced in the coming weeks

01:00:08.000 admittedly $50 million sounds

01:00:10.060 pretty low

01:00:10.680 in terms of government money that's allocated

01:00:13.920 how are you going to get anything done on that budget

01:00:15.800 I don't know

01:00:16.380 because to get anything done with a military or a government budget

01:00:19.800 it would need to be $500 million

01:00:21.280 so this is just

01:00:23.840 going to the paper shredder

01:00:25.880 if you hand

01:00:27.900 a government institution $50 million

01:00:29.360 dollars they throw it in the trash the first 50 million goes in the trash then you know once the

01:00:35.500 trash is filled with money then you can start taking money for the rest of the stuff

01:00:38.680 a professor mike symes says we'll be announcing who we have given funding to in a few weeks

01:00:46.140 um geoengineering projects which seek to artificially alter the climate of proving

01:00:51.080 controversial with critics arguing they could bring damaging knock-on effects as well as being

01:00:56.460 not a helpful distraction from lowering emissions yeah the complaint about weather modification

01:01:03.100 isn't that it'll take the responsibility off of everyone buying teslas i think we really need to

01:01:09.980 highlight that people's concerns with with the weather would be destroying the world yeah

01:01:15.340 and making it uninhabitable for human life yeah it's so it's such a unilateral decision too for a

01:01:21.500 small department under a department of a certain nation to do something that essentially damages

01:01:27.160 the entire planet like you're you can't just block the sun in one area i'm not a multi-polarity guy

01:01:34.640 as people know i'm not a duganist but i think if you send a census taker around the world

01:01:39.840 to any country africa middle east europe i don't care and ask them do you think the american

01:01:45.940 government should be messing with the weather the weather and by the way when they say the weather 0.92

01:01:51.000 i mean the world's weather because you actually can't just fuck with the weather in one place 0.72

01:01:55.160 it has reciprocating effects i bet you 100 of respondents would say i don't like that i don't

01:02:02.280 think america should do it you don't need to explain to them any more than that do you think 0.96

01:02:07.640 do you think trump or whoever should fuck with the weather no just add immediately no yeah be gone 0.97

01:02:14.120 no discussion from my hut there's there's no bet there's no benefit there's no benefit to any of 0.99

01:02:20.360 this and like you said earlier it's funny because this is ostensibly to prevent global warming which

01:02:25.420 nobody fucking cares about anymore well here's here's what they want to say like well we need

01:02:29.260 to experiment so we can uh terraform mars to which i would say then do it on mars you have 0.99

01:02:35.300 spare you go we got a spare planet do it over there you could fuck with mars and i bet it 0.99

01:02:42.220 wouldn't affect us at all so go go do that but anyway there's no good reason to fuck with the 0.99

01:02:47.300 weather but again this is one of those stories where they would call us crazy 10 years ago they're 0.96

01:02:52.460 fucking with the weather now why would they do that why would scientists do that that's a good 0.52

01:02:56.980 question well now they're saying uh why they're doing it and according to this it's no reason 0.98

01:03:02.300 they don't even have a good reason yep they said well you gotta that's the new science i i love

01:03:07.560 post-covid science because they don't know how to justify anything anymore that's the excel that's

01:03:14.740 acceleration movement where it's like no we no you don't understand you haven't been paying attention

01:03:19.620 let me update you we need to do these things because it's inevitable right that's that's

01:03:26.740 literally what these it's we don't do it somebody else will it's the optimistic inversion of nick

01:03:32.900 land which is saying that you know the tech apocalypse is inevitable in the future you must

01:03:37.860 prepare they're like no no look we need to with the weather now because in the future 0.98

01:03:42.660 we're inevitably going to fuck with the weather so why not now i'm not pissing in your ear here 0.91

01:03:49.260 that's what they that's what they believe you can restate it however you want but they think that 0.99

01:03:53.760 well we have it's our duty to do as much fucked up insane stuff as quickly as possible now now now 0.87

01:03:59.940 now because i mean in 10 years we'll think we were gay if we didn't yeah essentially in the future 0.95

01:04:09.000 we're gonna look back on ourselves like we look back on our past selves for being racist i don't

01:04:13.980 want to be racist so i need to start making tornadoes wherever i wherever i see in a dream

01:04:22.420 i don't i don't believe in god i don't believe in jesus christ i think buddha was a good scholar

01:04:30.040 but there's one thing i believe in it's every time i dream of a headless girl and she tells

01:04:36.480 me where i should make a tornado the next day that's my god wait is this bath and that's and

01:04:44.380 that's a real that's a real religion that could be the new religion that's at least five real 1.00

01:04:49.560 guys right now in american labs i dreamt about a horrific girl and she uh just gestured about

01:04:57.800 the action i should do and that i think i should just do that let me ask you this you can always

01:05:03.860 I think it speaks to the character of a person when their dream tells them to do something and they don't do it.

01:05:12.080 Who's to say that the dream is smart?

01:05:16.360 You know what I mean?

01:05:17.040 In my waking life, I think I'd do okay, intelligence-wise.

01:05:22.340 High 80s.

01:05:23.660 Yeah. 1.00

01:05:24.420 But I think my dream self might be a fucking idiot. 1.00

01:05:29.940 Does anyone get smarter in a dream? 1.00

01:05:30.940 I've never been told to do anything in a dream.

01:05:33.000 me neither i can't even that would be terrible honestly that would be frightening if that

01:05:38.000 were to happen i just think we're outing ourselves what that we don't have smart dream guys it's like

01:05:44.140 the the the shape rotator thing can you can you imagine an apple can you rotate the apple i'm

01:05:50.340 glad to be in the class of people who doesn't have voices in my head or dreams telling me to

01:05:54.760 kill people i think it's like only the 130 iq people have you know entities in their dreams 0.91

01:06:02.320 that tell them and give them instructions must suck to be them there's something i wanted to talk 0.96

01:06:06.900 about but i don't know if i have time you know what i'm going to try and cram this in do it so

01:06:12.380 i want to show you something we didn't get a chance to talk about this on the live stream

01:06:16.160 but um i found this site this group rather um it's called the accelerationism research consortium

01:06:26.480 i want to talk about now because it's just what we were talking about i think this may be a canadian

01:06:31.820 group i'm not sure i know it's partnered with some canadian ngos in the past so for people who can't

01:06:38.860 read this the accelerationism research consortium arc is a global cross-sector and cross-discipline

01:06:45.980 initiative of the institute for countering digital extremism the consortium is made up of researchers

01:06:51.740 practitioners journalists who are dedicated to understanding and mitigating the threat posed

01:06:57.020 by militant accelerationist terrorism so they're talking about sort of like far-right extremism

01:07:02.760 and here's we talked about this before when we talked about the canada anti-hate network right

01:07:07.460 all these ngos they're around three to five people tops usually three people and then it's a board of

01:07:14.740 their friends right so i'm looking at the staff again three people to a t you can and then board 0.96

01:07:20.920 of advisors just a bunch of fucking phds that are probably on an email list just so they could 0.77

01:07:27.140 have their name on the masthead here and then research fellows i just got nobody's um but just 0.98

01:07:33.280 to give you some ideas check this out check out accresearch.org because they publish white papers

01:07:40.460 they publish articles and blogs and here's the title of one eco-fascism accelerationism and

01:07:47.540 schizo posting a merger of extremist aesthetics we might need to do this on a live stream at one

01:07:54.780 point because you really need to see the imagery because they're borrowing memes

01:07:58.280 and these seem like memes they created you know so i'm going to show you here just read the

01:08:04.920 introduction here there remains a noticeable overlap in the iconography and aesthetics of

01:08:09.900 various eco-fascist and accelerationist movements within the terror gram network so the terror

01:08:15.460 it's a terrorist telegram

01:08:18.220 telegram that's their big

01:08:20.120 focus on this wait is telegram

01:08:22.360 like just a title I thought there was

01:08:24.200 an actual chat somewhere called telegram

01:08:26.420 oh sorry I was sharing

01:08:28.320 the wrong screen well there is yeah

01:08:29.860 so it's a network but it's not

01:08:31.600 it's not like a huge movement

01:08:34.060 I don't think they just mean

01:08:35.440 anybody on telegram

01:08:37.920 who is a terrorist I guess

01:08:40.160 I can't find a we'll find

01:08:42.140 out here but it seems like they're

01:08:43.760 they're overlapping a few different groups here he says more recently these aesthetic signifiers

01:08:49.620 have been combined with the emergent internet trend of schizo posting in ways that in addition

01:08:55.620 to creating a unique visual style may potentially benefit militant accelerationist movements that 0.60

01:09:01.040 act the view acts of violence as necessary tools to hastening societal collapse so they're talking

01:09:07.440 green accelerationism and then ted kaczynski so they got a meme here so i want to describe it

01:09:14.560 for people who are obviously listening it looks to be jeff bezos but with like a vhs

01:09:22.240 you know overlay to make it look kind of trippy and inverted he's got x's for the eyes and says

01:09:28.560 the earth is not dying it is being killed and those who are killing it have names and addresses

01:09:33.200 see that i think i've heard that before but i've never seen this image and if anyone would have

01:09:39.760 seen this it would be like us or our listeners but i'm like this looks like someone trying like

01:09:45.000 pretending to be us like they told a graphic designer to make a meme that actually doesn't

01:09:51.260 make a whole lot of sense like it wouldn't be the jeff bezos with x's for eyes like the x's

01:09:55.560 rise thing sounds more like something a leftist would do but you guys are like the cartoony types

01:10:01.540 we're a bit more graphic about this but this this has the stink of a leftist appropriating

01:10:07.920 our imagery what do you think about this you see this right um i don't know i mean i could

01:10:13.740 if i saw that in one of my groups i'd be like hell yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't blink but you

01:10:21.380 probably ban it you'd say cringe i'd say would i say would i say cringe what the well why because

01:10:27.860 it's environmentalist i don't understand just the aesthetic just the way it looks like i don't know

01:10:32.240 it's kind of deep fried it's yeah it is it's like a vhs filter where they've swapped the black for

01:10:36.860 green and the x over the eyes i guess like i don't i'm not saying it's good but i mean in in terms of

01:10:42.940 like you know telegram oc it's kind of par for the course like this like look at that what the 0.64

01:10:50.600 fuck is that here we're looking at an image and it appears to be gucci main and says let me schizo 0.82

01:10:58.080 post i'll return to reality later that's like the top text bottom text like this is cringe but it's 0.99

01:11:04.100 also perfectly believable i guess what i'm saying is i don't like this it is shit and cringe but i

01:11:09.760 also think it is actually organ organic content from the bottom rungs of our circle i challenge 0.94

01:11:16.800 that okay i we've got some connoisseurs of schizo posting in our listenership so again i'm describing

01:11:23.120 it to you top text let me schizo post bottom text we'll turn to reality later and then there's

01:11:28.480 gucci main star of david peter griffin angel saturn black cube tentacle coming in from the

01:11:36.240 left lightning coming down like it's too much like even when i think of schizo posting

01:11:41.120 it's like it's not like this it seems like hey do something crazy i don't know such a strong 0.65

01:11:48.580 opinion about it i don't like any of these so i i can't i can't really tell them apart 0.65

01:11:52.740 and you got the starter pack starter pack four frames with the weird shit it's it's the me 0.97

01:12:01.820 starter pack and it says looks like this fucked up wojack lives here cabin mind is screaming wojack 0.99

01:12:09.360 skinwalker outside 0.99

01:12:10.840 and then it's like a troll face with no

01:12:13.460 skin and it says has

01:12:15.380 this to protect myself and it's

01:12:17.360 a shock and I'm like this is very on the

01:12:19.440 nose that is

01:12:20.960 if a meme was a skinwalker

01:12:23.340 oh

01:12:25.020 like no but that's like I'm starting to

01:12:27.420 see the pattern you think it's do you think it's

01:12:29.500 that these are inorganic or it's that

01:12:31.320 the person who picked them picked the ones that were

01:12:33.400 the most I think I think what

01:12:35.240 happened is leftists

01:12:37.020 and sort of these

01:12:39.020 anti-right people they want to write articles about us but they don't actually spending time

01:12:45.500 in our groups they hate going into these spaces and gatherings i actually think they make a lot

01:12:49.820 of this themselves it might be based on something they've seen because it's not completely random

01:12:56.540 but i'm just looking at like i'm not seeing the word here once

01:13:00.620 i'm not seeing gore here once i'm not seeing sexual violence here once not really

01:13:09.920 yeah you know what i mean and it's a lot of spongebob stuff i'm like wait a minute i don't

01:13:14.320 know that's the spongebob stuff is a big giveaway yeah and i don't think it's again i'm looking too

01:13:23.040 i'm looking too deep into it but i just i think this is a work i think a lot of these places they

01:13:28.160 they make this shit up yeah because they don't have these aren't like screenshots of the chats

01:13:33.680 why aren't the screenshots of the chats why is it just this perfectly exported meme and one thing 0.97

01:13:39.220 you notice about a lot of these meme channels they have their watermarks on it too where's the 0.82

01:13:43.080 fucking watermark that that's the biggest flag to me is that you bring these in saying you 0.90

01:13:49.400 organically found them quote unquote in teragram but you have no comments you have no you're not 0.98

01:13:56.360 showing reactions you're not showing discussions so you didn't get these from teragram did you you

01:14:01.860 you this is what you imagine teragram is like because somebody posted something like it on

01:14:06.940 facebook one time and then you're because yeah you would at least screen cap some comments

01:14:12.420 and they're talking about how you know ted kaczynski is very popular with this group i'm like

01:14:18.000 yeah i guess yeah it is um he's more of a meme you know i mean like there's some people that

01:14:24.580 really follow ted kaczynski but more than anything people are like ted posting uncle ted posting

01:14:30.120 yeah just as like a thing to do or just say oh society and its consequences am i right yeah

01:14:37.440 yeah it's not like we like he's our saint or something i have been exposed to a higher class 0.68

01:14:44.740 of schizo posting it's like it's like a terry davis do we follow terry davis yeah why where's 0.90

01:14:50.120 terry davis here i don't see him fucking mentioned once yeah where's terry come on you tourist 0.92

01:14:54.680 you jewish tourist do you know there's like i'm going to write a whole article 3 000 words i'm 0.95

01:15:02.920 like ted kaczynski is pretty popular these days and all right like that's literally yeah the 0.83

01:15:07.220 eco-fascist accelerate none of this is also eco-fascist this is just like hating jeff bezos

01:15:13.200 and hating like are you an eco-fascist if you hate amazon or you just part i mean they said

01:15:19.380 the the phrase was the the planet isn't dying it's being killed so they're talking about

01:15:23.780 the environment but like what what does jeff bezos have to do with it he's just a really rich guy

01:15:29.340 the eco-fascists that i know seem to have at least a couple of trees in the mix it's not just i want

01:15:36.220 to kill technocrats you know i mean but they can't say that they can't say there's a trend on the

01:15:41.240 right where young people want to destroy their corporate overlords you know what that actually 0.60

01:15:47.240 sounds like something their leftist audience would like yeah so they need to put it as this other

01:15:52.360 thing but i'm like no no they just want to kill jeff bezos which is what you talk about the other

01:15:57.640 23 hours of the day like forgive forgive me and this is the problem leftists get into where i'm

01:16:05.080 like oh so you're like a bureaucracy defender now you're a machine defender interesting anyway but

01:16:11.480 so this is the accelerationist research consortium and i wanted to bring it to your attention just

01:16:16.280 to say like people never i was gonna say never underestimate but actually never overestimate

01:16:22.600 these people that's a better way of putting it don't overestimate what these people are capable

01:16:27.640 of these ngos is three people getting money from the government but just not knowing what's going

01:16:33.080 on i bet there's seven drafts in their wordpress post folder trying to implicate the kkk in this

01:16:41.640 because these people like the kkk are a big deal they still think the kk are behind everything

01:16:46.920 but they can't do it so they're like well we'll get to it later but it's like these are not the 0.54

01:16:51.800 people talking to you about the order of the nine angles or adam waffen you know who's talking about

01:17:00.120 that it's radix vera who's very you know popular on the one talking about how oh the order of the

01:17:05.720 nine angles that's sort of the far right satanic group however you cannot remove the story of that

01:17:12.520 from the influence of the cia it seems to be run by feds nobody's talking about that except people

01:17:20.440 on the right you would think the leftists would be concerned about this but they're not like it's

01:17:24.840 only us saying that look we'll find the worst examples of argument that satanist psychos

01:17:30.120 and we could actually implicate the cia that's a story why is that on the accelerationist research

01:17:36.520 consortium i asked because i looked i looked at all their papers left all their articles

01:17:40.840 they got nothing to say on the actual stories but they're getting money to misunderstand memes

01:17:47.720 they can't even they can't even address our problems correctly i mean but what else would

01:17:54.120 you expect from a government funded left wing that's what i'm saying why why aren't the government

01:18:00.120 agencies talking about these groups oh they must be because they're working hand in glove with the

01:18:03.800 government yeah interesting so anyway i'm not i'm not trying to defend or condemn them wait hold on

01:18:10.360 a second wait just a minute dimes doesn't ngo stand for non-governmental organization um um 0.95

01:18:19.640 actually dimes dumb dumb hey dummy what's the d and dime stand for dummy the n stands for none 0.92

01:18:27.280 obviously they're not that means they're not relate they're not 0.99

01:18:31.980 beholden to and i'm not talking about the bread baby

01:18:35.900 i'm not talking about the one indian food that's kind of okay

01:18:42.580 the circle bread which i i'm gonna tell you this i don't think indians invented non 0.89

01:18:48.660 no i like them apples it's just fucking flatbread dude everybody has flatbread 0.80

01:18:54.040 like a core belief of mine that i have no evidence for is that non-europeans couldn't have bread 0.91

01:19:03.080 until we introduced it i just it feels right to say that europeans invented bread yeah we've got

01:19:09.600 so much so many different types and then you go to like india and it's like oh you have one type 0.89

01:19:14.040 of bread how is that even possible do we have if indians move to france can we call them non-europeans 0.98

01:19:21.040 i mean we should just be doing this all already it's right in front of us but we get so distracted 0.98

01:19:31.500 by sar we get the thing about indians is there's so many dumb names like hey guys wouldn't we call 1.00

01:19:38.580 them non is well we're talking about people whose names are just suck dip and cunt deep 1.00

01:19:44.120 this shit writes itself yeah like i you've never seen a race of people where their names are their 1.00

01:19:51.800 own slurs if you just call him his name he gets so offended go go it's like the thing where you 0.99

01:20:01.820 drop the pin on the map and you just find a place in india without trash drop a pin in an

01:20:08.460 indian phone book and find something that isn't highly offensive 0.99

01:20:12.740 there's a guy named anal anus 0.90

01:20:17.980 so we got a few things to get to um because i'm going to try and rip through the book it's not 0.97

01:20:26.200 the longest book i'm going to spend a lot of time on but i'm going to say new real secret coffee

01:20:31.380 hours our paywall show on gumroad and patreon check that out i mentioned the one we did two

01:20:37.860 episodes ago if ads were

01:20:39.980 illegal the most recent one I released

01:20:42.240 is just under three

01:20:43.980 hours long and

01:20:45.600 it's addressing a sub stack

01:20:47.980 that was released by Mr.

01:20:49.900 Grow Publishing on its conundrum

01:20:51.840 cluster sub stack it was

01:20:53.760 called Vibe Lash

01:20:55.200 it was trying to get

01:20:56.940 it's like 20,000

01:20:59.860 words it's a long piece

01:21:01.880 and it's about

01:21:03.180 what's happening in the scene right now

01:21:05.480 and this is something we've talked about

01:21:07.700 quite a bit on that show that's where i save most of the scene drama and the gossip and then the

01:21:13.880 goings-on and do sub stack reviews and what have you and so we've discussed that you're thinking

01:21:19.120 they're talking about the encroachment of zionism into the right you're thinking of grifter accounts

01:21:25.100 and whatnot but uh just a bit of a spoiler the way the article ends because a lot of people are

01:21:31.080 passing this article around they're saying this is really good it's got like 700 likes it's got

01:21:37.180 300 comments wide circulation on this and as i was reading it it became clear to me that no one's

01:21:45.460 read this entire thing they see the title they maybe read the first paragraph and say oh he's 0.56

01:21:50.940 talking about how the scene's fucked up the dissonant rights fucked up i agree with that 0.71

01:21:55.800 good job pass it on by the end of it and he gets he gets to this halfway through but by the end of 0.85

01:22:03.240 it he's saying that donald trump is the god emperor either you're with trump or you're an

01:22:09.020 enemy um if you criticize trump at all even if you disagree with him even if he does something

01:22:15.500 you vehemently disagree with if you counter signal him you might as well be a leftist and 0.96

01:22:19.960 your enemy and i'm like nice this is the worst thing i've ever fucking have you read this who's 0.91

01:22:26.160 read this guys do do me the kindness of reading these things before you start making them go viral 0.99

01:22:35.120 this is dog shit this is the worst thing anyway so that's just a taste of how we go bit by bit 0.87

01:22:42.620 through the entire thing but guys that that does not seem like an opinion that would be popular 0.99

01:22:48.040 with many different people even like trump fans he's saying that like oh you're not

01:22:53.580 you're not glazing him enough every every crazy anyway also i want to call attention to this

01:23:01.760 stream i was on recently and it was only hosted on x and rumble but i would encourage people to

01:23:08.300 check it out go on the um i re shared it on my x account at legally ironic but you can find it on

01:23:16.060 mike of paul mike of paul i've worked with him before i've spoken to him he we parted with him

01:23:21.940 for a lot of our merch on the good sufferer store but he has a show called drive time movie hour

01:23:26.760 with him and his friend and capitalissimo and they do something that i'd wanted to do forever

01:23:32.700 which is just watch a movie and do a mystery science theater 3000 style just with my friends

01:23:39.280 watch a movie and you can't do that on youtube it can never figure it out of course you get

01:23:42.600 copyright stricken turns out there's two platforms where you can just do that with copyright material

01:23:47.820 that's x and that's rumble so that's the only two platforms but we watched this really wild japanese

01:23:54.300 film and it was a great time um and he does these every week with different people but i really

01:23:59.260 liked the one that we did and we should probably do something like that i might just rip it off

01:24:04.460 but they're very much the style of us and they got the sound drops they got very similar aesthetic

01:24:11.260 i think so i think if you like this show you like that show give it a give a look also just to

01:24:16.380 drop people's attention to good the good suffer store which i just mentioned buy our merch buy

01:24:22.660 our shirts stickers posters we got a new shirt from the z-man in there uh for the occidental club

01:24:29.840 just dropped not long ago we got jay burden merch on there we got blood sally merch on there um

01:24:36.360 spend a long time designing it if you want to support the show and you haven't already go there

01:24:41.820 buy a shirt all the money goes if it's blood satellite goes to us if it's with one of our

01:24:46.420 partners another creator it goes all to them so if you want to support jayburn and z-man buy those

01:24:52.980 shirts and i'm going to just include something here which we haven't done in a while we have

01:24:57.840 new crimes chat cited by soggy socks a frequent uh frequently impressive member of our community

01:25:07.340 good friend of the show he submits a harrowing story of a man who he done did the bit where

01:25:16.300 he'd heard the call to the homestead by uh some woman he met online said you want to live the

01:25:22.840 trad lifestyle come over here come live with me work the land and already you know it ends in

01:25:29.200 tears i'm not going to tell you how but just give it a listen here it is 1.00

01:25:33.680 So, like I said, there were a lot of female admins in this chat. 0.98

01:25:46.960 And one of them, I won't call her by her name, because there are people who I like that would be negatively affected by this being just totally aired out. 0.91

01:26:06.600 It's not a huge secret, but it's kind of unpleasant just to have on the whole ass internet. 0.69

01:26:13.140 it. So there was a woman in this chat who was known to be an older woman, 30s to 40s. So not 0.99

01:26:23.480 like a grandma, but past optimal childbearing age. And over time, she ended up kind of capturing the

01:26:33.880 interest of one of the guys in the chat. Now, this woman owned a, or I think still owns, 0.50

01:26:41.160 a pretty decent size of land, I believe up in the Pacific Northwest, maybe a little farther east out

01:26:48.820 of that region. I can't remember if it was like Washington or Idaho or maybe Oregon, maybe even

01:26:54.740 Montana. I don't remember. They were all very vague about details. They didn't want to, you know,

01:26:59.040 dox the place really. And so she was, she was raising livestock on there. I think she was trying 0.98

01:27:05.000 to raise some crops too. And basically this guy in chat, she, uh, she sort of, um, made him become

01:27:13.660 her new boyfriend and slash farm hand. And when he got out there, it quickly turned into

01:27:22.600 a fucking nightmare. I mean, this is a, a sort of white nationalist type guy and he gets out there 0.99

01:27:32.100 and there's this mexican guy there who's sort of working the farm and is also her ex-boyfriend

01:27:39.980 and she's actually really just brought him there to quote-unquote give her a white baby

01:27:50.440 he also comes to find out that she had gotten pregnant by this mexican at least once and 0.69

01:27:59.660 aborted any and all pregnancies so this guy thought that he was going to go get a hot mommy 1.00

01:28:08.340 rancher gf instead all he got was haunted pussy um she ended up like not really paying him for 0.99

01:28:17.800 any of the work um she was very hostile towards him very manipulative etc and um he ended up broke 0.99

01:28:27.400 And several of the guys in chat pitched together, I think, about a thousand bucks so that he could get his vehicle fixed and so that he could escape.

01:28:39.700 And eventually he did after several setbacks.

01:28:44.320 And like I said, this was a woman in like a pro-white, like white nationalist, honestly pretty fed posty community. 1.00

01:28:55.580 she was fucking nuts 1.00

01:28:57.840 most of the other women in this chat were fucking nuts 1.00

01:29:00.700 pretty much all of the 1.00

01:29:04.840 pay gang people in here posted some of just the most

01:29:07.820 absurd stuff

01:29:09.620 like goddess worship 1.00

01:29:12.220 I mean there's this one Latvian guy

01:29:16.240 who legitimately I'm pretty sure legitimately thought that 0.59

01:29:19.100 the Rig Veda

01:29:21.780 The Rig Vedas were actually like ancient Latvian literature.

01:29:27.560 Very, very strange group of people. 1.00

01:29:31.600 And all much, much stranger than Asha, at least.

01:29:35.640 Anything that we know about Asha publicly.

01:29:38.200 Crime is checked.

01:29:45.840 Wow, what a good thing.

01:29:48.120 Buddy.

01:29:49.320 Buddy.

01:29:49.800 now i want to talk about this book it's a book that pairs with the last book we had done which

01:29:57.840 was uh el narcos uh which the history of the mexican drug cartels uh through colombia but

01:30:06.260 specifically mexico discussing las zetas very compelling history a lot of theories in there and

01:30:13.440 no shortage of justifications

01:30:16.020 for it or trying to pin

01:30:17.360 the blame on international

01:30:19.780 forces or the invisible hand of the

01:30:21.880 market but as I had said at the time

01:30:24.000 I was compelled to investigate

01:30:25.960 this topic because

01:30:27.420 I'd heard a phrase that I needed to investigate

01:30:30.100 and the phrase was

01:30:31.180 drug cartels do not exist

01:30:33.120 and I wanted to get to the bottom

01:30:35.360 I've heard some people mention that before

01:30:37.620 and I wanted to get to the bottom of it

01:30:38.960 and I wanted to read the book even though how many

01:30:41.760 films and tv shows and books have been written about the mexican drug cartels to the point where

01:30:48.400 i could intuit where they were coming from like how much of the cartel phenomena is propped up

01:30:54.000 by the media by celebrities by movies everything tv shows because they have an investment and maybe

01:31:00.880 they're making it seem as bad as it is i came away not believing that but i found a book that does

01:31:07.120 make that case. And so when I look back at the way the drug trade has been articulated and

01:31:16.480 understood in Mexico, what you see is just the very radicalization of this imaginary,

01:31:23.280 and not necessarily the radicalization of drug traffickers themselves, because like I said,

01:31:28.640 there's very little data to prove that. It is basically impossible to demonstrate, for example,

01:31:36.080 that somehow and we don't know why in 2007 these so-called drug cartels started fighting each

01:31:43.360 other uh to a point that caused uh this extraordinary uh homicide rate uh in the nation when

01:31:50.480 uh this uh conflicts between the groups of traffickers had been always there present you

01:31:55.680 know since the since the early 70s and but never amounting to such destruction and instead so what

01:32:02.400 what I try to focus on is to challenge this idea of the drug cartel wars and show instead

01:32:10.180 that it is the militarization that becomes the very condition of possibility of violence.

01:32:15.940 And it's a pretty recent book.

01:32:17.820 2022 is when it came out because drug cartels do not exist.

01:32:21.660 Narco trafficking in U.S. and Mexican cultures by Oswaldo Zavala.

01:32:27.460 and i don't think i'm being uncharitable when i say this is like a media analysis

01:32:36.540 and i from my perspective it's more of a leftist media analysis he spends most of the book talking

01:32:45.000 about the portrayal of the cartel culture in american media in mexican media and cites a lot

01:32:51.700 of that influence but also these other fiction writers and filmmakers who are trying to counter

01:32:58.240 that and that's a lot of his source material it is not a hard fiction or hard historical narrative

01:33:05.200 it's more like trying to trying to deconstruct the mythology or the the metaphysics of this thing

01:33:16.080 which already as i'm describing you're like oh that's a leftist thing i get that you know right

01:33:20.660 we are getting away from you know illiterate 14 year olds hiking off hands which is a thing

01:33:28.160 that happens let me just start by saying that then i'm like it's very it's even easier to get

01:33:35.000 lost in the jungle of theory and media analysis concerning all this and sometimes you forget 0.65

01:33:40.800 okay wait a minute there are fucking massive drive-by like when i say drive-by shooting it's 0.99

01:33:47.500 not a car shooting up a house we're drive-by shootings where they show up with fucking 50 0.99

01:33:51.780 cal gatling guns and spray an entire block to hit one people i'm like is that or is that not 0.98

01:33:57.660 happening it's like well it's happening okay he says okay i get the zetas are sort of an ideological 0.62

01:34:03.620 construct that it extends into the new sphere and becomes this mythological enemy yeah okay

01:34:10.960 but the las zetas exist they are former soldiers who defected started their own cartel and they've

01:34:18.420 been hacking the heads of journalists for 20 years like well yeah okay okay but so just to

01:34:24.140 answer the question the cartels do exist yeah like i just i i maybe that's too oppositional 0.97

01:34:33.340 to the thesis here but no no no the fucking cartels exist i don't want to hear people say 0.86

01:34:40.680 they don't exist i will concede that they work hand in glove with the mexican government hell 0.98

01:34:48.920 even the american government it's a mess even with el chapo these great leaders like so many

01:34:55.980 of them have defected so many of them are feeding information the lines are blurred between all of 0.99

01:35:01.000 that with that being said these are still criminal organizations hey i got the fucking mafia about 0.99

01:35:08.140 politicians too and they were committing murders over here and they were paying for politicians 1.00

01:35:13.240 over here and they were starting legitimate businesses over here the la cosa nostra fucking 0.96

01:35:19.300 existed these these families existed and if you're telling me that it's more media 0.95

01:35:26.760 buffoonery and magic than that that tells me you're on the side of the cartels

01:35:32.680 and i told you i think that's what we're seeing right now it's a manipulation of the media on 0.94

01:35:39.020 the behalf of the cartels who may very well want to legitimize themselves i don't fucking know i

01:35:43.780 would be surprised if they did but they're trying to enter into the podcast sphere and tell you a 0.93

01:35:49.960 story that the cartels they're actually very reasonable like they only kill people who deserve

01:35:53.880 it like uh-huh okay but like i said in the last episode they'll say oh the cartels never

01:36:01.240 assassinate anyone in american soil they don't go after americans it's like uh-huh what they do

01:36:06.940 is they kidnap you take you to mexico and kill you there so technically they don't kill americans

01:36:13.200 but they kidnap but they disappear americans but you know that you know you know i mean like that

01:36:19.080 this is a little massaging you're doing so i'm just going to read some parts here to give you

01:36:23.560 an idea of what i talked about he says the narco imagined by the military is in theory the opposite 0.88

01:36:30.140 of the soldier undisciplined vulgar ignorant violent for the army however the narco requires

01:36:36.300 if not a uniform a uniformity that distinguishes the soldiers from the narcos whom in the name of 0.99

01:36:42.460 government the soldiers must eliminate how does the military manage to distinguish criminals among

01:36:47.780 the country's ranchers before caledron which is the president the military simultaneously played

01:36:54.360 the role of the hero and the violent enemy of the state of society they had to play both roles

01:36:59.400 because behind the curtains they didn't exist as they are represented what does that recurring

01:37:04.180 narco archetype come from that so already you start to see like this idea of the narco it was

01:37:10.300 created by the military industrial complex to justify itself now there might be some truth to

01:37:16.880 that but there's there's two very distinct narratives he he and others so try and weave

01:37:22.740 in this which is that the idea of the narco is as sort of this undisciplined insurrectionary figure

01:37:31.700 was cooked up by the military to justify the military you know and then the other is that

01:37:38.240 there would be no drug violence if not for the policing of drug trafficking we talked about this

01:37:46.640 last time which is like look the narco wouldn't exist the narco with the gold ak-47 wouldn't exist

01:37:52.060 if you would stop making drugs illegal that's that's where they end up they eventually say

01:37:58.260 that look the only reason there's drug violence at all is that you tried to crack down on drug

01:38:02.540 trafficking if you just allowed them to do that there wouldn't be death so that's how bad things

01:38:07.880 have gotten where there's so much murder so much violence and bombings and torture and and the

01:38:13.880 the reputation of the nation is so tarnished that they've said you know who's really to blame

01:38:19.660 the laws

01:38:21.100 you know what's really to blame

01:38:23.880 it's like society doesn't want people

01:38:26.100 to be on heroin

01:38:27.140 society not wanting people

01:38:30.120 to be on heroin has caused

01:38:31.280 tens of thousands of deaths

01:38:33.160 like I'm not joking that's what they're saying

01:38:36.220 so this is all in the interest of

01:38:37.980 a legalization argument

01:38:39.200 and I don't even want to get into sort of the libertarian angle

01:38:41.960 there but this to me

01:38:43.780 is not a freedom discussion

01:38:45.940 if it was just like

01:38:47.780 people should be able to do drugs

01:38:49.900 smoke meth hey

01:38:51.880 I'm a huge advocate of smoking

01:38:54.080 meth and doing violence you know 0.60

01:38:56.020 me but this

01:38:58.020 isn't that this is saying that look

01:38:59.580 they're holding us hostage we have to

01:39:02.060 legalize heroin otherwise they won't stop

01:39:04.000 killing us like that's not even

01:39:05.980 a freedom argument what do you think

01:39:08.020 of all this so far by the way yeah

01:39:09.780 no definitely it's almost

01:39:11.980 I don't know if it's autistic or it's just 0.98

01:39:13.580 disingenuous but yeah

01:39:15.640 he gets a note here he says

01:39:17.380 The National Security Act, enacted in 1947, was the mechanism by which the U.S. Congress gave legal status to the global strategy that polarized the planet after World War II.

01:39:29.720 During that year, two key institutions of the new security era were founded.

01:39:34.960 In the United States, the CIA, and in Mexico, the Federal Security Directorate, that's the DFS.

01:39:41.540 Their collaboration deepened as the U.S. government deployed Operation Condor, an aggressive interventionist policy on the continent during the 70s.

01:39:50.780 Catching on to the term U.S. officials used to describe the organizations headed by these large-and-life characters, the Mexican media started using the word cartel.

01:39:58.720 But the word cartel, like practically all vocabulary associated with the narco, has an official origin.

01:40:04.760 luis astorga emphasizes the contradiction in referring to drug trafficking groups as cartels

01:40:10.860 because according to official intelligence far from collaborating to enhance their profits the

01:40:15.800 cartels act as rivals who are willing to eliminate each other okay so there's a couple of things

01:40:20.480 there it is true that the crackdown of drugs in mexico has something to do with american influence

01:40:30.940 right american because there's it gets into this later in the book and also in el narco which is

01:40:36.980 that america was basically giving guns to the mexican military which didn't have american

01:40:43.360 artillery this will give you these armaments if you try and crack down on drugs in your country

01:40:48.580 so you can make the argument that they're incentivized through investment through capital

01:40:55.760 or whatever to find drug dealers or to enhance the importance of cartels just because they're

01:41:01.820 getting free stuff okay i hear that it's also true that the cia was getting active in mexico

01:41:07.740 basically encouraging them to crack down so if you accept their narrative that there would be

01:41:14.300 no drug violence without trying to crack down on drugs then okay you can blame the american

01:41:20.960 government partially friends some that do that however it's semantics you see where it's like

01:41:27.640 look they said the word americans came up with the word cartels then mexicans started using it

01:41:34.080 and why are they cartels though they fight each other all the time and say well okay so

01:41:37.900 it's cartels plural it's a cartel if it was one cartel then it wouldn't make sense if there's

01:41:44.360 multiple different cartels that's like saying there's like different cartels in any country

01:41:48.260 different cartels can be at odds

01:41:50.160 it's an odd thing to say

01:41:54.240 that because there are different cartels they must get along

01:41:56.500 but also

01:41:58.360 sweep away all the

01:42:00.480 linguistic tricks 1.00

01:42:01.300 are there Mexicans in organizations 1.00

01:42:04.820 trafficking in guns 0.92

01:42:06.040 you know what I mean

01:42:07.280 yes there are

01:42:09.440 so you don't like the word cartel 0.99

01:42:11.620 okay make another fucking word then 0.99

01:42:14.560 because we'll just describe 0.99

01:42:16.460 for what it is. Mexico has a problem

01:42:18.360 with Mexicans 0.99

01:42:20.520 in groups selling guns and killing each other. 0.99

01:42:22.620 Is that better? I'm

01:42:24.440 just trying to find some fucking shorthand here. 0.99

01:42:26.400 But you cannot take that word 0.98

01:42:28.140 and use that to deconstruct the

01:42:30.280 phenomenon we have here.

01:42:32.400 Which is what he's trying to do. Which is

01:42:34.200 a very leftist way of approaching it. Which is

01:42:36.200 if I delegitimize the word

01:42:38.660 that delegitimizes

01:42:40.280 the concept. I'm like, you

01:42:42.340 are correct, but I

01:42:44.180 see your strategy. 0.99

01:42:45.340 and I'm kicking your legs. 0.98

01:42:48.200 I'm not letting you do that. 0.99

01:42:49.200 I'm not going to let you attack the word cartel

01:42:51.760 and pretend that there's not a problem

01:42:53.840 with drug trafficking in Mexico. 1.00

01:42:55.880 You fucking freak. 1.00

01:43:00.180 So the first argument that I make in my book 1.00

01:43:03.500 is that most of what we understand about drug trafficking

01:43:06.340 doesn't really come from the field of organized crime.

01:43:10.440 It's not knowledge that is derived from the work of journalists

01:43:14.180 or sociologists or people trying to do ethnography in the field,

01:43:19.980 but rather is the result, the direct result of a hegemonic understanding

01:43:25.420 of drug trafficking that has been articulated in political

01:43:29.340 and police institutions in the U.S. and in Mexico alike.

01:43:33.280 He goes on here.

01:43:35.060 Drug trafficking is frequently imagined as an illicit activity

01:43:38.500 derived from a form of global capitalism that transcended national borders,

01:43:42.820 echoing neoconservative arguments in books such as francis fukuyama's the end of history

01:43:48.060 it is too easily thought that the narco like transnational capitalism has triumphed

01:43:53.900 overall state of control but let's remember that even fukuyama had already distanced himself

01:43:58.280 from the celebration of the free market the state's sovereignty over the narco i want to stress is far

01:44:03.840 from going away is necessary to understand that el chapo's capture the second of three arrests

01:44:10.180 was a clear political demonstration of the sovereignty of the state over criminal organizations

01:44:15.460 so it's in they caught one guy and they're like this is proof that the cartels don't exist and

01:44:20.620 the government was in control the whole time really they fought for decades thousands dead

01:44:25.620 on each side and finally one side captures the other general and you're like see the whole war

01:44:30.360 was fake the whole war was fake the whole time and because the story of old chapo is interesting

01:44:35.740 because there's credible rumors that he was feeding information to the feds and that's why

01:44:41.520 he lasted so long which is not unlike whitey bulger right yeah but in the last book el narco

01:44:46.440 that's the theory positive there makes more sense which is that well the reason they don't want to 0.84

01:44:52.860 bring down these cartels is because you bring down one it actually strengthens the other two

01:44:56.560 so you need a cartel at least for now that you you kind of understand because if we accept that

01:45:02.600 lost zetas is the worst and most violent one you're like well okay if we take this down the

01:45:07.500 lost zetas expands by twice the size and that's worse for us so we need to it's a very defeated

01:45:14.060 position but i would say that doesn't mean that the government is he's almost trying to make

01:45:20.120 argument that the government is still sovereign is just allowing this and it's allowing it because

01:45:24.300 it's the puppet master i'm like no no you don't understand like i think they're very disorganized

01:45:29.360 trying some very desperate calculus so that it doesn't turn into a true insurrection because

01:45:35.920 that's that was the the the real thesis of the last book that this is basically an insurrectionist

01:45:42.240 movement and that some of them are directly either at war with the government or trying to replace

01:45:48.000 the government i mean he goes on here the operational fable of drug trafficking in mexico

01:45:54.640 is that only literal and symbolic sacrifice means victory and along with it comes the inexhaustible

01:46:00.080 genealogy of drug lords who die and reincarnate as it is required by the state is also the

01:46:06.720 inexhaustible source of most narco noir novels but the face of the narco remains anonymous because

01:46:13.680 he is the metaphor for all the narcos who can and will indistinctly occupy the place in the narrative

01:46:20.000 that already predisposes his rise and fall knowing the true identity of that forever

01:46:25.280 resurrected corpse is the still waiting cry of our best literature yet so again it's it's leftist 0.76

01:46:31.280 poetry saying that the narco each narco doesn't exist because big narco the archetypical narco

01:46:39.840 exists because we need it to exist and so these we just keep swapping in these individuals i'm like

01:46:46.800 you're overthinking it again yeah okay sure i get i understand where you're coming from i understand

01:46:52.560 that there is a you can even call it a marketing side to think like how many people are making

01:46:59.280 money off of the idea of the narco how many movies are written how many shows are written how many

01:47:06.320 is there an industry based on the image of the narco the faceless marker okay yeah i'll grant

01:47:12.160 you that absolutely and would that mean that in some wild hypothetical scenario even movie studios

01:47:20.080 could have an investment in perpetuating the myth of this violence or the myth of this individual 0.73

01:47:26.960 sure but are there still mexicans hacking off each other's hands and boiling each other in acid 0.88

01:47:33.040 and selling cocaine and heroin there are so like spare me like that that is what it is and there 0.97

01:47:40.000 And there is a very clear history on how we got from a pre-cartel Mexico to where we are

01:47:47.700 now.

01:47:48.840 You know what I mean?

01:47:49.140 Like, it's not, we don't need to go back 5,000 years in the past.

01:47:53.080 We don't need to go back to 50 BC.

01:47:56.880 We can go back like a few decades.

01:47:58.800 Like, oh, this is where it starts.

01:47:59.980 It's like the Bloods and the Crips. 1.00

01:48:01.980 We know pretty much the entirety of the history of the Bloods and the Crips and black gangs 1.00

01:48:06.360 in America. 1.00

01:48:06.920 Don't act like it's this highfalutin, abstract idea.

01:48:14.280 E. Canizier says, the main point to understand here is that state violence, especially in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, was carried out by a repressive apparatus under the aegis of political conflicts that threatened the integrity of the ruling elite.

01:48:29.180 In other words, until the mid-1990s, the Mexican state confronted domestic conflicts as problems of opposition and resistance with a strictly political root.

01:48:39.140 Thus, as the prominent journalist Julio Scherer records, the student and guerrilla movements were accused of social dissolution as codified by the federal criminal code.

01:48:49.260 They were accused of being subversives in the context of the Cold War.

01:48:52.900 So he's getting to a point here where he says, and I think there is some truth to this too.

01:48:57.380 like there's some truth to a lot of this it is true that while the mexican military may have had

01:49:04.340 an investment in making the narco problems seem bigger than it was so they could get free money

01:49:10.340 free armaments from mexico they were also trying to sweep up a lot of leftist revolutionaries and

01:49:18.180 real political insurrections from you know leftist agitators and saying oh they're they're cartels

01:49:25.140 too just so they have an excuse to imprison or kill them i'm sure that happened absolutely that

01:49:30.420 happened but do the cartels exist do the drug traffickers exist yes they do you know what i

01:49:36.660 mean so it's like these are all true but you can't we hurl those at the reality of drug cartels and

01:49:43.860 say not so what is it it's kind of nothing in fact it's the government's fault you know whose fault

01:49:48.180 is actually americans and i don't mean the american government i mean if you if you

01:49:55.060 snort cocaine that's you're the response that everything happening in mexico is your fault

01:50:00.580 that's what they need to believe because they need to remove their agency from the situation

01:50:05.300 and i reject this narrative that they have which is that all this violence and all these cartels

01:50:13.140 are driven by the american hunger for drugs that's what they'll say if they're just filling

01:50:18.420 the gap in the market americans want heroin and cocaine and here they are presenting it

01:50:23.700 i've seen more evidence that you they tried to introduce it to our market

01:50:28.260 to our population you know i mean like they actually brought it across the border

01:50:33.220 and flooded it into clubs they were the ones creating the demand for cocaine and crack and

01:50:39.780 heroin all of it you know i mean like they were a force trying to build the marketplace

01:50:45.540 there was a time when people in america weren't doing cocaine in clubs then it became popular

01:50:51.140 because it was so readily available and cheap who's responsible for that it wasn't just the 0.98

01:50:56.980 mexicans responding to the desire they were creating the desire i don't accept them as

01:51:01.780 passive actors which so many mexicans want to do i'm saying maybe sure there's truth to a lot of

01:51:08.660 these criticisms there's truth to us but it doesn't strike at the heart of the problem 1.00

01:51:14.580 which at the end of the day and that's the one thing they want to admit is that it's it's mexicans

01:51:19.540 it's mexicans that have a problem to solve and they're trying to create a whole literary 0.70

01:51:25.300 tradition around denying it denying it's their fault or they have any culpability whatsoever 0.52

01:51:31.540 and that's what i find frustrating um he goes on here i'm just going to read some more parts i know

01:51:37.700 know we've got to get going soon but he says in the united states and europe the security crisis

01:51:42.260 is studied as the result of the new neoliberal order that has radically transformed transformed

01:51:48.160 state architectures at the global level true prominent academics such as wendy brown and

01:51:55.040 carlo galli warned of the security agenda as a further effect of 21st century global war

01:52:00.120 waged by non-state actors within the setting of decimated sovereignty on the contrary i propose

01:52:06.980 to understand the security discourse as a peculiar reconfiguration of state power as the revival

01:52:13.540 of 20th century political antagonisms i refer here to the power relations of western politics that

01:52:19.300 have the key legacy of the cold war and in my opinion are relevant to understanding drug

01:52:24.020 trafficking outside of the problematic neoliberal post-political condition that informs much of the

01:52:30.420 academic debate on the matter in this sense the supposed weakening of the state with the advent

01:52:36.420 of neoliberalism is mainly seen at a discursive level that beginning in the second half the 20th

01:52:41.940 century allows the state's disciplinary control strategies relating to organized crime to be

01:52:46.900 invisible so there's a lot there and it might not make as much sense if it's just being read

01:52:55.460 it it might not make as much sense if it's being listened to rather than being read but here you

01:53:00.980 start to see the introduction of this idea that it appears to be the weakening of the western

01:53:07.700 neoliberal order when in fact it's the strengthening of it and that's to put that within the mexican

01:53:14.100 frame it's like oh it appears that the government is losing the war with the cartels when in fact

01:53:21.780 it's completely balanced or it's overseeing the conflict thereby strengthening itself and again

01:53:27.860 we always mention this this is an old leftist idea the idea of the superstructure the idea that

01:53:33.700 any violence that appears to be permitted within the system strengthens the system otherwise the

01:53:39.540 system would just dominate it right that's the belief it couldn't just be that it's a weak system 0.61

01:53:45.300 right so within the leftist mind and the marxist mind power becomes the suffering that is permitted

01:53:54.420 within society that necessitates the system itself so and he's trying to just recontextualize that

01:54:01.060 in like the the the security apparatus the global neoliberal cons you know security apparatus so

01:54:10.900 again i think there's some truth to that i don't think there is any question that at some level

01:54:16.100 the american government might be permitting conflicts that justify it in increase in

01:54:22.580 investment and development of course i'll give it exists of course they're going to take advantage

01:54:27.620 of it even fan it on but to say that they have sovereignty over it or even that they created it

01:54:35.380 is ridiculous because that makes the a complex system more simple that makes it oh the system

01:54:41.380 it's allowing this it couldn't just be that it's overlapping dynamic problems that there's certain 0.51

01:54:46.660 areas where it loses control in certain areas where it must reassert control uh we're getting

01:54:51.220 to el chapo here who i mentioned before he says according to hernandez el chapo was protected by

01:54:57.620 vicente fox and felipe caledron administration so he could carry out his war with rival cartels

01:55:03.780 but by doing so el chapo was no longer relegated to the subordinate position that the mexican state

01:55:10.020 historically kept traffickers to instead was in a position of undisputed leadership his power

01:55:16.020 reached such a degree that the afi which is the federal minister of police began to operate fully

01:55:22.900 as el chapo's army it opened defiance to official power and displaying an irrefutable supremacy

01:55:29.540 hernandez and tributes el chapo's organization for example the 2008 plane crash which then

01:55:35.940 minister of the interior died in it was exactly this type of analysis that allowed caledron

01:55:40.740 government to justify its supposed war on drugs at the same time excuse its failure all that

01:55:47.120 remains of el chapo's empire now other narco chronicles that helped invent it so he's

01:55:53.760 positioning el chapo as the example of the one who's serving this ecosystem but got a bit too

01:56:01.120 powerful and then has wings clipped and um i think again there's evidence that el chapo was

01:56:09.140 working with the government or they thought he was the devil they know versus the devil they don't

01:56:15.700 i think that is true however they're taking that example and saying aha this proves the entire

01:56:21.300 conflict is just orchestrated by the sovereignty of the police state i'm like i know too too far

01:56:29.300 i i have i have to agree with 40 of what you're saying and that's it

01:56:33.940 he continues here by saying

01:56:37.680 under the current security imaginary

01:56:40.880 we will continue to be stimulated

01:56:43.840 by Pablo Escobar and El Chapo Guzman

01:56:46.100 in our cultural productions

01:56:47.700 we will continue to be fascinated

01:56:49.720 by their mythical lives

01:56:51.140 until the idea of national security

01:56:53.200 and the general narrative

01:56:54.600 of our neoliberal present

01:56:56.340 is challenged by a critical imagination

01:56:59.500 that relocates the history of drug trafficking

01:57:02.160 to the center of state power

01:57:03.940 as one of the multiple and complex interests and objectives

01:57:07.100 and objectives of its government structures and programs

01:57:10.160 together with its most basic political logic.

01:57:13.200 So that's really what he's writing the book about,

01:57:15.580 which is that he's trying to generate a counter-literature,

01:57:21.500 a counter-media, because he believes that the media that exists

01:57:26.380 generates too much of a mythology about the drug cartels,

01:57:32.500 but he's like we need a counter mythology we need a counter media but i i think the counter

01:57:39.700 media would end up being more fictitious i think i can maybe see where he's coming from a little

01:57:45.160 bit on that and i would maybe meet him halfway like you and i are already on the inside of this

01:57:51.780 where we know we know we're accustomed to talking about the fact that the government has is involved

01:57:58.340 in this up and down we know it's ridiculous to say that the government is the sole source of it

01:58:03.420 but we all know like a hundred different examples of where the government was encouraging this or

01:58:08.260 turned a blind eye so the government is enmeshed in it and if he's if he's talking about like the

01:58:14.480 cultural imagination then yeah you're talking about normies and normies do view the cartel

01:58:20.360 as this big evil chopping off heads and the good boy government is always just trying to save the

01:58:25.020 day which is not true so if what you're saying is hey we need to rebalance this so that the

01:58:30.820 cultural imagination of what everybody just thinks of when they think of the drug trade

01:58:34.740 is they think of an incestuous relationship between national governments and criminal cartels

01:58:39.860 that's accurate and people should think that so yeah i'm there with you if you want to add the

01:58:45.020 government to the story in our in the cultural consciousness yeah but i mean don't go overboard

01:58:51.600 with it and like absolve the cartels to the point that the cartels aren't even in the picture anymore

01:58:58.480 because he wants to relocate the entire conversation to this is the center of a

01:59:05.280 security apprised conspiracy i'm like no look and i hate i hate the state i don't want the state

01:59:11.920 but this is not it's just not true and this is why when we were talking earlier about o9a

01:59:18.080 and uh adam waffen and all these groups it's like yes there's infiltration at the highest level

01:59:24.720 of by the cia by the fence whoever it might be and it is true that in many of these cases they

01:59:31.180 are the ones instigating the violent schemes or the terrorist plots the ones that they catch them

01:59:39.080 for and we're going to get into this next episode with a book on timothy mcveigh called aberration

01:59:45.720 in the heartland of the real which is a very fascinating book but it's about that it's the

01:59:50.480 history of not only mk ultra but how frequently the government has tried to infiltrate these

01:59:58.120 groups militia groups supremacist groups and they're the ones responsible for the bombing

02:00:03.320 plots because they try and gin them up sometimes very very lazily yes there's that and i'm sure

02:00:08.700 that happened in o9a however that's not all we complain about with these groups see these 0.89

02:00:15.660 infiltrations were relatively easy because the groups already were fucked up in many cases not 0.70

02:00:22.440 all of them but if you look at o-9a its adherents are satanists and when when you have satanism 0.93

02:00:29.480 especially on the right because leftists are there's liberal satanism right where they're

02:00:35.460 just like fat people in capes but i find that right-wing satanism really goes into you know 0.96

02:00:42.560 ritual sacrifice of animals self-harm drug abuse rampant drug abuse just sexual degeneracy of any 0.96

02:00:53.020 stripe you could imagine you know i mean so it's like that stuff might very well occur irrespective

02:00:59.460 of the feds then the feds come into that and then convince them to do the terrorist plot i'm like

02:01:05.820 okay but we didn't have a problem just having this hive of degenerate satanists on their own

02:01:12.220 you see what i'm saying that's another problem and how those groups tend to recruit young men 0.88

02:01:18.140 or confused men and then unironically make them into trannies because that's happened in a lot 0.93

02:01:24.680 of these groups that happened in 09a you know it's just yeah it ends up being full of meth smoking 0.98

02:01:29.700 white trannies doing sonorads doing swastika stuff it's just yeah that's what happens but 1.00

02:01:36.520 that's not because of the feds that's just because there's these fucked up groups of people 0.99

02:01:39.940 that need to be identified on their own and maybe they're just easier to infiltrate by fans which 0.94

02:01:47.340 makes it even harder makes it an even bigger problem um sorry i'm just going to get to a few

02:01:54.080 more things here then we can get going he says he says in his escape in his capture escape and

02:02:01.620 tradition el chapo is being both the fetish of official corruption and also the amazing symbolic

02:02:08.120 power of the state which has managed to impose its reality on drug trafficking

02:02:13.160 quidad juarez journalist ignacio alvarado perhaps one of the most astute researchers

02:02:20.320 and experts on the subject explained this phenomenon to me in a personal conversation

02:02:24.420 as the state's media conquest which greatly limits the understanding of journalists novelists and

02:02:34.720 academics when it comes to drug trafficking and instead establishes the epistemiological

02:02:39.620 coordinates that condition the way in which we even imagine the narco is therefore necessary

02:02:45.660 to understand drug violence less as an endless cycle of personal vendettas between psychopaths

02:02:51.760 and more as the cold geopolitical calculation between states of exception in our hemisphere.

02:02:58.800 Now, I read that and I know a lot of people read that and say, well, that sounds cool.

02:03:02.080 that's got a flow to it that i want to latch on to a war between states of exception okay

02:03:08.840 again i think he's taking a real thing and making it into a not real thing where it's like

02:03:15.880 the real enemy you know you see this with the catholic church too where it's like you know

02:03:23.440 we don't want to get involved in politics or geopolitical conflicts because we are at war

02:03:29.380 war itself we see our real antagonist as satan which means all conflict which the our enemy

02:03:38.960 is the memetic crisis itself which is the manifestation of satan on earth that's the

02:03:45.700 highest aim it could have and so he's trying to take that and make that into this it's like the

02:03:52.320 real enemy isn't

02:03:54.140 these drug cartels. It is

02:03:56.400 the ontological narcos

02:03:58.540 which is generated by the

02:04:00.440 news and our opposition

02:04:02.720 to it. I'm like, okay, yeah, again,

02:04:04.660 but you're still throwing

02:04:06.420 babies into vats of acid.

02:04:08.880 That's not made up.

02:04:10.440 It's like, oh, that only happened a couple times.

02:04:12.260 I'm like, you know, a couple's enough.

02:04:16.320 Shouldn't need to be said, but

02:04:18.100 yeah. Because that's just one thing where I'm like, I

02:04:20.280 can't imagine a justification 0.96

02:04:22.220 for it you hear like oh there's like they killed the whole school bus full of down syndrome kids

02:04:28.500 and i'm like i i there is no justification for that what could it be there's no two sides to 0.99

02:04:35.500 that shut the fuck up now if you say oh they cut the hands and feet off journalists and hung them 0.92

02:04:40.320 upside down well oh sure of course who wouldn't want to do that you don't even need to there's 1.00

02:04:47.820 only one side to that story and i'm on the side of the cartels but all the other shit come on 0.86

02:04:54.500 there's only one side the human side yeah there's only one side the human side 0.67

02:05:01.040 he says the this way of imagining the narco as i've analyzed in this book is the direct result

02:05:08.100 of an official official state discourse that has permeated society for decades and that positions

02:05:14.260 organized crime as a permanently defined enemy to state sovereignty as i have already discussed in

02:05:20.100 detail mexican anti-drug policy has essentially been transformed into a violent national security

02:05:26.500 strategy after the presidency of filipo caledron has consisted of the deployment of tens of

02:05:32.180 thousands of soldiers and federal police in all the cities with the highest rate of drug trafficking

02:05:36.660 juarez being the most problematic at all so again that's in so many words he's saying that it is

02:05:42.660 the war on drugs

02:05:45.500 that has created the casualties

02:05:48.040 within the war on drugs

02:05:50.240 you know what I mean

02:05:50.920 which if phrased any other way

02:05:53.500 it goes without saying

02:05:54.460 it's like you know that

02:05:55.280 the real enemy

02:05:57.020 in what's happening

02:05:59.100 in the conflict between

02:06:00.340 Ukraine and Russia

02:06:01.440 is the war on Ukraine itself 0.95

02:06:04.020 the real villain

02:06:06.700 is the war

02:06:08.320 which is driving both of them

02:06:10.720 to have it you know i mean like when i discussed that book cyclonopedia

02:06:15.760 on our sister show do you even read which we host the prudentialist there was that the book is about

02:06:24.060 oil and it's again a leftist or post-left book uh it would probably wouldn't call itself that but

02:06:30.140 it's from the ccru um corpus of books and it was saying that you know oil is sort of like the

02:06:39.000 incursion of the

02:06:41.060 void into our world

02:06:42.800 and it's a demon manifest

02:06:44.880 which seeks to lubricate

02:06:46.820 the machines of war so oil

02:06:49.080 creates

02:06:50.640 war itself which

02:06:52.840 draws us into it I'm like

02:06:54.660 yeah okay so this is like that by

02:06:56.940 saying like the war on drugs creates

02:06:58.960 the conflict

02:06:59.740 okay that's a complete reverse

02:07:02.940 way of looking at it I have no interest in that

02:07:05.000 to me call me simple 0.98

02:07:07.020 i'm a fucking steak and potatoes guy i see two sides fighting and i think it's the two sides 0.98

02:07:13.540 fighting i don't think it's that there's an eternal war on drugs that just happen to be 0.98

02:07:19.060 occupied by these these two sides one of which isn't actually a side no no no no i think it's

02:07:26.800 actually drug traffickers you know what again i'm a guy put my pants on one leg at a time 0.68

02:07:33.940 i think it's just mexicans trying to push heroin and getting bejeweled ak-47s because they can't 0.56

02:07:41.980 read i think that's part of it you're saying that's zero percent of it i'm saying i'm going 0.80

02:07:48.800 to say it's 60 of it i'll get and we can negotiate based on that yes there's government yes there's

02:07:56.620 foreign governments mexican government foreign government yes there's corporations yes their 1.00

02:07:59.880 media is involved but someday you got these like skinny fucking mexican kids who just like 0.99

02:08:05.220 who just like doing drugs that's what they also say and this was in the last book too which is 0.99

02:08:10.200 that you know before the americans mexicans didn't do drugs it was only after the cartels

02:08:17.800 that mexicans started doing drugs because they saw it in america like nope no i just i don't 0.90

02:08:24.280 believe that that's retarded i don't i i don't believe that so again remember we're laughing 0.98

02:08:29.940 this last time they were just growing all this weed and they didn't know you could smoke it 0.98

02:08:33.060 until they saw cheech and chong and then they then everyone started smoking weed in colombia

02:08:39.240 and mexico nope not not having it anyway it's a lot of this so i'm gonna get us going now so

02:08:45.760 just to summarize when they say cartels don't exist the components of the cartel obviously exist

02:08:53.420 there and once again with this sort of analysis i'll i'll meet you

02:09:00.160 55 of the way i think you're 55 right on a lot of this stuff and because it's very conspiratorial

02:09:09.160 the conspiracies are right but you know what it's all done in removing the personal agency from the

02:09:15.220 side that you're seeking to justify because at the end what are you prescribing what you want

02:09:20.000 do is legalize drugs and keep the money flowing into at least one side of the perpetrators yeah

02:09:26.600 i can legalize drugs and probably lighten up on the enforcement which you view as racist because

02:09:32.660 a lot of this enforcement in the u.s is against hispanics it's like well this isn't this isn't

02:09:38.200 fair it's not the poor hispanics fault they're just responding to market forces i would just

02:09:42.160 he can always strike at the heart of these sorts of investigations by saying i will grant you

02:09:48.840 that you can have corrupt politicians you can have corrupt military corrupt soldiers corrupt

02:09:54.840 generals you can can you accept there's a corrupt criminal can you accept that there's a criminal

02:10:02.900 that can have bad intentions and they will tell you no because of the power dynamic

02:10:09.820 and they will mean that they'll believe it they'll say no even if they are but they can't

02:10:15.140 definitionally just like you can't be racist against white people definitionally which is

02:10:20.180 that only their definition they're trying to convince you of but also they feel that they

02:10:23.780 don't need to convince you of it because it's so obvious so this is like no matter how bad

02:10:30.100 no matter how nefarious a cartel member is they can never have power because we've already agreed

02:10:37.860 we must agree that the system has power and so there's nothing they can do that is criminal so

02:10:43.300 So you must legalize their crime.

02:10:46.260 And I just, nope, I'm not going with you on that.

02:10:48.880 Sorry.

02:10:50.480 And you had a good thing going.

02:10:53.100 Anyway, we got to get going now.

02:10:54.520 Thank you so much for taking the time.

02:10:56.140 Any closing thoughts on that?

02:10:57.440 No worries, man.

02:10:57.960 Yeah, no, it was a good one.

02:10:59.160 All right.

02:10:59.520 I'll talk to you later. 0.99

02:11:02.800 Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling top salads and scrambled eggs.

02:11:09.800 And maybe I seem a bit confused.

02:11:12.300 Yeah, maybe, but I've got you, Peg.

02:11:16.760 Alrighty, hello, hello, hello.

02:11:18.260 We are back on the carousel with Dimes, the man who made the intro.

02:11:27.360 Oh, man, great to be here.

02:11:28.780 You've had such big guests lately.

02:11:30.780 This must feel like a step down.

02:11:33.420 Well, we should talk about you and your status. 1.00

02:11:36.180 You and your little status, Dimes. 0.98

02:11:39.260 My little wee-bitty statement. 0.98

02:11:41.280 witty little wee bit of status uh but which we'll talk about in a second but um i am reporting that

02:11:48.140 sound is not going to be as good everybody's going to be annoyed by this because i'm reporting

02:11:51.840 from my father's very bohemian apartment on the north side of chicago uh so sorry about the sound

02:11:59.620 um he is in fact recording on a sex swing presumably that's why i keep going back like 0.95

02:12:07.780 this because it's uh it's my dad's house is full of sex ones no he's uh it's just full of weird 0.99

02:12:14.000 shit um but uh anyway so many books many leather bound books um but uh so yeah what types of books 0.97

02:12:27.200 has he got what types of books like i don't want to blow up his spot but would they be books let's 0.98

02:12:32.060 say, would you like these books behind you?

02:12:36.340 Esoteric Hitlerism 101?

02:12:38.700 No, it's not your kind of book style.

02:12:42.580 I read a lot of books. 1.00

02:12:45.460 No, my dad is a professor, so a lot of weird shit, a lot of Italian shit. 1.00

02:12:51.360 He's an Italianist, so a lot of vaguely weird Italian shit. 1.00

02:12:57.180 I don't know. 0.99

02:12:57.800 There's a lot of David Foster Wallace, your standard academic fair.

02:13:02.060 uh the one thing that's not standard is the weird stuff he puts on his walls which is like he finds

02:13:06.440 like this shrapnel of poster and like on devon avenue and puts it on the wall that's this is

02:13:12.200 the kind of man my father is your dad sounds cool i never met him but i like his vibe you know it's

02:13:18.240 funny maybe did you go through this thing where you hated your parents and then later you kind

02:13:22.140 of like forgave them and were like oh you know what you guys are actually kind of cool yeah my

02:13:27.620 story was probably a bit different because like we were talking about before the we went live

02:13:31.900 my dad passed away when i was pretty young so the family dynamic is different so if it's just

02:13:37.020 like your mom and your siblings you do it's difficult to like hate your mom rebel against

02:13:43.180 your mom um although there was what ended up happening because you know for a young man when

02:13:50.980 there's not a male role model or that force there you know i went off the deep end i was 0.94

02:13:56.140 i was a fucking drug dealer for quite some time oh really yeah when i was very very young and 0.98

02:14:01.820 and doing drugs and smoking cigarettes and all that shit and so she you know i had to i was 0.99

02:14:06.160 kicked out of the house basically not long after that um which she was i would say justified doing 0.71

02:14:11.800 i don't hold any bitterness because i was completely out of pocket at that time um but

02:14:16.920 again it's a different relationship what are you going to do like you just hold a grudge against

02:14:21.020 your mom who's struggling and trying to kind of figure it out herself but yeah there was that i

02:14:26.600 think everyone does that at some point yeah i think white guys hate their moms that's like a 0.95

02:14:34.220 thing about white guys and whereas black guys have no dads white men hate their moms and black guys

02:14:40.020 have no fathers it's a different sort of relationship and i wonder if there's because 0.99

02:14:45.120 it's not that the black mothers are nicer in fact it seems to be that they abuse their children 0.99

02:14:51.960 physically at a much larger rate. So it's just some kind of cultural thing, I suppose. 1.00

02:14:59.420 Yeah. Yeah. True. But anyway, this is brought to you by Hestia Cigarettes, which I'm smoking one,

02:15:06.000 which hopefully my dad won't find out, but he's got a window right here. So I feel like it's okay.

02:15:11.720 All right. Well, I wanted to have you on because I read this piece you wrote about,

02:15:18.420 it was a speech you gave at one of these conferences and yes it was really good man

02:15:25.000 you're you're such a good writer and you're a good designer you really are like extremely talented

02:15:32.420 and thank you very much i just want to say at the start that really means a lot coming from

02:15:37.080 yourself because as your listeners know i mean you've been published pretty much everywhere you're

02:15:41.700 a pretty popular writer yourself so that means a lot well yeah man it's like i want to raise the

02:15:47.220 dimes profile somehow you know why i think it's because you like so many suffer from the total

02:15:54.360 lack of curators in our in our scene you know it's kind of like dave green also it's like dave green

02:15:59.860 is so good but it's like he can't get like above this next level for some reason because it's like

02:16:05.860 we're blocked we're being held down by all the trash yeah and dave green's an interesting case

02:16:11.200 because so many and we're talking about dave the distributors for some people who might know him

02:16:15.220 that you know i met him at that conference in question uh where i gave that speech and i've

02:16:21.140 been a fan of his for a long time and a lot of people in our states will have had him as their

02:16:25.620 introduction to this yeah this is my place but um he he's been around for so long and i think he's

02:16:32.900 also an engineer and he's got a family so i think this is just his side thing compared to like the

02:16:38.580 cool normal thing he does whereas me i just produce entirely too much content yeah but uh

02:16:45.620 so for him i think he's sort of like where do we go from here because if you do this sort of thing

02:16:50.100 long enough you write enough pieces you're on a podcast you've said everything you can say but

02:16:55.460 what now and i think a lot of people have asked that question a lot of people filter out a lot of

02:17:00.180 people just walk away um some great creators that i've known over the years they just they kind of

02:17:05.700 just fell off not fell off but they just stopped and i can't even blame them you know maybe is this

02:17:11.780 something you can just do forever not really i don't think so well what happens where do you go

02:17:17.300 what happens to you a lot of people you know the natural step a lot of people take is they go irl

02:17:24.900 they start holding events or they try and form some kind of group a lot of people will start

02:17:30.500 a political party or something analogous to that. But I mean, I've been around long enough

02:17:38.180 to see so many of those just implode. It's hard for me to pitch that to people, even if I wanted

02:17:44.180 to. But I think that's actually the question a lot of people are asking right now. What now?

02:17:48.600 Conferences, good. People talk about parallel societies, building communities, things like

02:17:52.860 that. I like to get granular when I talk about that. When I hear someone say, we need parallel

02:17:58.700 or like when people say we need patronage okay what does that actually look like are we prepared

02:18:02.560 for that oh parallel communities well let's talk very specifically about what that is how you do

02:18:09.160 it rather than just wishing upon a star that someone does these things yeah and that's what

02:18:14.340 your speech that we're talking about was about and it was called winning is not enough and i

02:18:19.780 highly recommend everybody read it because just the writing is so good but yeah you seem in that

02:18:25.620 piece to be frustrated you're you're kind of saying like we're not uh getting anywhere

02:18:33.680 necessarily you know and then you also say very um strongly in that piece that uh not only are

02:18:41.260 we not getting where we're not gonna get anywhere in in our lifetime you know so yeah we're gonna

02:18:45.720 have to uh wait until many years down the line to actually see any real it's sort of like a

02:18:54.320 multi-generational project where, you know, things might very well get worse in the immediate future

02:19:00.260 within our lifetimes. And we need to be okay with that. And that's fine. You know, like a lot of the

02:19:05.920 people in this space are pretty irregular, you know, they're pretty, you might call them black 0.91

02:19:11.160 pilled, but we will not see this sort of utopian vision of whatever society we want within our

02:19:17.020 lifetime. But we need to have the time horizon to actually lay the foundation now for our children

02:19:23.520 or our children's children yeah you need you need to be okay with that and not get so defeatist that

02:19:29.440 things aren't happening so quickly i suppose not get so you just cut off there not get what so

02:19:36.440 quickly oh sorry um not get so uh defeatist so quickly or not get so you know people saying i

02:19:43.920 you know it's a bit different with i guess with trump if you're like a trump guy this is the best

02:19:47.500 day of your life but um for people who want you know the the complete rollback of everything that

02:19:54.780 is plaguing society i'm like you know that's gonna be you know it's it's either a multi-generational

02:20:02.980 timeline or it's hoping for collapse total collapse within your lifetime and i've always

02:20:08.880 said that look that's a nice thing to say but if we look at societies where total collapse of the 0.92

02:20:17.040 state or this asshole occurred there is no limitation on the indignities that will be 0.83

02:20:23.800 visited upon men women and children like that's not a state you really want to be in if it 0.98

02:20:29.800 collapses you mean yeah exactly like oh we need to decide to collapse and then we can rise from

02:20:34.340 the ashes i'm like yeah but then it's just you know rape as currency for i don't know 50 years 0.89

02:20:39.840 like you know like it's people get fucking crazy if things get that bad right right right um okay 0.68

02:20:47.020 So what was your basic advice for young men? 0.89

02:20:51.960 I mean, I know, but you basically say you need to start a gang.

02:20:56.060 So what do you mean by that?

02:20:57.460 Yeah, well, the idea was gang, crew, or group.

02:21:01.800 It's finding a team of people probably within your geographic area that you trust.

02:21:08.160 And some people might know that as like an active club or it could be anything.

02:21:12.440 It's a very historical configuration for men.

02:21:15.340 um so many of us in this space are used to being lone wolves and being sort of locked out from

02:21:22.500 society and being individuals it's actually hard despite how many group chats that were in

02:21:27.580 to form a team or a crew and my claim was that a team or crew of five guys can do pretty much

02:21:36.260 anything and this is a team of guys and ask any five guys five guys five to seven five there's

02:21:44.440 like a ceiling model yeah the five guys look what they did five guys did gamer gate right look and

02:21:50.140 that caused trump to be elected of course um but but but the idea is that um but five guys that

02:21:57.140 you trust that you have a camaraderie with you can execute any project or mission or task versus

02:22:03.340 the framework that a lot of us are in which is i'm an individual and i'm looking for an army to join

02:22:09.040 or a political movement or some kind of mass because a lot of people with this and right

02:22:13.860 are collected are attracted to collectivist movements but i would say no if you actually

02:22:18.140 have five guys that you know that you trust that you can work well with and you get enough of those

02:22:23.620 working together that is how you build your communities that is how you do pretty much

02:22:26.860 anything and i made a claim a while ago uh with a friend of mine named paul fahrenheit from the old

02:22:32.180 glory club and i'd and he he held me to this i said five committed guys could take down any ngo

02:22:38.480 and by takedown i don't mean anything violent of course but i had said you know five committed

02:22:43.820 people because every ngo they can think of is like three to five people there's not that many

02:22:49.080 people working a lot of these ngos that we are plaguing us right now like so five guys with a

02:22:56.060 plan could probably take down most of these things through the media or through concerted effort 0.97

02:23:01.640 mankind so that was the model i was going with well so like what would you like to see you know

02:23:07.380 I mean, like you're you're. Yeah. What would you like to see? You know, you just released this documentary about Canada, immigration in Canada, right?

02:23:18.560 Yes, it's called Paving Over the Public. And that was a short documentary that I worked on with a few guys in our space, a collaborator of mine named Censor Danan from Arbalist Editing, great videographer.

02:23:29.960 And it was based on a article that was published in the Vanguard's Journal by this other guy named Jean, Jean Gracie.

02:23:37.120 And we workshopped that into a script and made this documentary.

02:23:41.100 It was tracking the course and the development of multiculturalism in Canada, because if you're Canadian, you probably know this, that when you go to school, especially now, Canada is seen as a post-national state, post-nation state, and multiculturalism is its only guiding principle.

02:24:00.380 And well, how did that happen? And when did that happen? Well, it happened relatively recently. And because Canada is a relatively young country, at least compared to America, you can trace like back to the 60s and 70s when this pivot occurred, when we just decided to be a multicultural nation and start the mass migration process.

02:24:24.740 and we nailed it down to really only a few people were responsible for it a few prime ministers

02:24:29.960 and a few of their aides and it didn't take long for this but over it only takes a couple

02:24:35.600 generations for something to be codified as the status quo so you know you don't need to be doing

02:24:40.900 something long enough or be parroting a certain line before that just becomes ingrained in

02:24:45.180 everyone but we were saying it was a subversive act in the sense that it was called um paving

02:24:51.760 over the public and it was populist opposition to mass migration and so the idea was that these

02:24:56.960 politicians were saying to the public we are against mass migration while they were you know

02:25:03.680 putting forward these policies that welcomed it in so they understood that there was a populist

02:25:10.000 sentiment that they needed to subvert or lie to um and so and we juxtapose that against public

02:25:17.200 opinion polls at the time so their census data and polls take from the public are you in favor

02:25:22.880 of more less or the same amount of migration and across the board everyone said no we don't and it

02:25:29.600 wasn't even necessarily just migration from india or africa people were generally against european

02:25:35.760 migration too which makes sense because we live in a time right now where we a lot of people have

02:25:42.560 bought into the idea that mass migration makes line go up of course but if you go back to the

02:25:49.280 40s and 50s and you went to an average person and say oh are you do you want more migrants they'd

02:25:53.400 say why they have not been propagandized to equate that to economic benefit it would seem 0.99

02:25:59.420 like a random fucking question but do we need more fucking romanians what what no why and only now 0.97

02:26:06.020 do we auto complete that because we've been propagandized but uh it was just funny looking 0.99

02:26:11.180 the polls that for most people it was an an odd premise to pursue for a time of course now it's

02:26:16.940 not and so the documentary was just explaining that process within the canadian context and

02:26:22.860 saying well you can transplant this across this is happening in america too although it's it was a bit

02:26:28.940 different in america how it occurred but anyway that's the summary there yeah so i had a guy on

02:26:35.900 here named martin selner uh oh i know yeah yeah who's a very cool austrian activist

02:26:44.540 and he's known for speaking of like five guys he has one of these gang type things and you know

02:26:50.860 it's him and his friends like doing fight club boxing in a basement somewhere and then they

02:26:56.700 wake up and they go and do these like activist things like one of the things they did was they

02:27:01.740 They erected like a concrete wall in front of a drag queen story hour type of thing.

02:27:12.580 And yeah, I mean, I think, but he also, I kind of asked him, well, you know, how did

02:27:20.420 we get here?

02:27:21.660 What, you know, why, why, why did all these people start believing in multiculturalism?

02:27:28.220 You know, especially in Austria.

02:27:29.400 i mean obviously austria has the history but a place like canada i mean it's it's like

02:27:35.480 for america it kind of makes sense right but for these other places like canada which was

02:27:40.920 formerly an imperialist place right i mean like outwardly it really doesn't make sense that this

02:27:48.200 idea of multiculturalism has become sort of the guiding purpose of yeah the country it's an

02:27:55.720 interesting case because in america the circumstances are different for two main reasons

02:28:00.120 one you're bordering mexico so you are constantly confronted by this other people this other nation

02:28:06.440 canada doesn't have that we border the us and nothing else and also you have the legacy of 0.75

02:28:13.240 slavery you have this block of african americans that you need to reckon with um and you can't 0.91

02:28:20.040 really deport them like you can't deport any other games that so that's ever present in the 0.92

02:28:26.200 american conversation but we don't have that in canada the closest that we would have is aboriginals 0.75

02:28:32.280 you might call them indians native americans whatever so we have that but that's still a

02:28:37.800 pretty weak thing so we we don't have the same problems yeah where we've had to accept that

02:28:43.640 right so where does it come from because i you know it's it's kind of a fish uh you know you

02:28:53.160 don't fish water you don't uh you can't tell you're swimming in water you know this this idea

02:28:59.560 of uh multiculturalism is so deeply ingrained and i feel like only now are people questioning it and

02:29:05.640 sort of realizing this is not good we got to stop this so you know in rough broad strokes

02:29:12.120 folks why who was behind this and why well in canada i'll give you a couple examples a lot of

02:29:19.480 people are just going to say jews um they're part of it but that's not the entire story like for

02:29:24.580 example uh john dieffenbaker was a prime minister and i believe his ancestry was german um and so

02:29:32.280 he dealt with you know anti-german sentiments so to him even a european immigrant would say we must

02:29:39.300 be more friendly to immigrants now he might say of course within the european context however

02:29:44.600 one of the issues with liberalism as a foundational ideology is it's constantly

02:29:50.940 presented with questions that it doesn't have an answer for so it could be questions posed by

02:29:56.500 jewish interests or other immigrant interests or whatever by saying well why not this group

02:30:01.340 why not that you might assume that by immigrants you mean other irish other scots other french but

02:30:08.120 they say well why not africans why not indians and they don't really have an answer to that

02:30:12.760 and so it's a very very malleable ideology and it seems that on a long enough timeline

02:30:17.640 these sorts of voices just snowball within it and there's this great um

02:30:22.360 book called uh tri-faith america by i want to say andrew schultz but that's not it because that's

02:30:28.440 a comedian or maybe it is i don't know but it's this great book that it was about how jews and

02:30:33.480 catholics held america to its protestant promise and it was america being a protestant nation

02:30:40.020 or broadly protestant um after you saw waves of immigrants from catholic nations from europe

02:30:47.700 um and also jews they were saying to the protestants who actually didn't have the rhetoric

02:30:53.420 or the tools to uh withstand this by saying oh you're processing you you're more accepting you're

02:30:59.020 what you see tolerance as more central to your Christian identity well we should be able to set

02:31:03.940 up blocks and enclaves and we'll bring you along we're going to incorporate ourselves into 0.78

02:31:09.300 Protestantism we'll make a tri-faith America and you it documents bit by bit over the course of

02:31:14.740 the 20th century how sort of death of a thousand cuts how the Protestant character of America was

02:31:19.960 really made subserving to a more coordinated and uh stronger Catholic influence but then also the

02:31:28.160 Jewish influence is sort of creating these enclaves that basically brings it to where it is

02:31:32.880 today. So it's a long process of sometimes subversion, sometimes just advocacy once they're 0.98

02:31:39.040 in that you can open the door a bit more. And if you lack the ideological tools to actually say no,

02:31:46.380 and we still don't really know how to say no to that, especially in America where 0.51

02:31:50.100 you might be against mass migration, but you don't really know how to say no to H-1B visas,

02:31:55.440 not yet so people are still trying to wrap their heads around just saying i actually just don't

02:32:01.360 i don't want mass migration from anywhere at all and i don't actually need a reason why

02:32:07.200 i'm i'm an american i don't need to justify myself i just wanted to stop

02:32:12.160 yeah my my friend uh just moved to or moved not long ago to a neighborhood in chicago

02:32:18.640 called pilsen and pilsen is called pilsen because of pills nurse so it was czech and then it went

02:32:25.600 from czech to polish and then you know polish to some other european group russian whatever and 0.64

02:32:33.360 then it becomes hispanic right yeah and now it's super hispanic and now everybody's up in arms

02:32:40.000 about like well we must preserve the hispanic character of pilsen you know but it's like nobody

02:32:46.800 cared when the Czech got kicked out of Pilsen. Well, you know, when they got, when they got 0.95

02:32:50.620 kicked out. So, uh, the same thing in Toronto, we had little Italy on the North end and over time 0.65

02:32:56.460 it became little Portugal. And now of course the Portuguese can say, keep this Portuguese.

02:33:01.500 And it's only taken like 10 years for them to completely just take over and act like it's 1.00

02:33:06.460 always been that way. Right. Well, and I think the thing that I have been realizing in the past

02:33:12.920 little bit of time is the re the reason why these uh the situation has gotten out of hand 0.97

02:33:20.880 is because for a while the shit worked well you know i mean at least in america right i mean at 0.96

02:33:28.140 least in america for a long time the these uh this immigrant thing or you know not of course the the 0.98

02:33:34.960 thing that everybody must remember is that immigration was shut down in america from like

02:33:39.140 1920 to 1965. But, you know, the legend of America is that we accommodated these 0.98

02:33:53.940 immigrants, right? And that you had your little Italy, but you also had this powerful

02:33:59.780 melting pot, even though it wasn't really a melting pot. It was more of like a,

02:34:05.660 you know, decentralized melting pot, which is the idea of America.

02:34:09.140 and it really works. I mean, I think that's kind of where it comes from. It actually worked for a

02:34:15.360 while. Yeah. One interesting thing also is that liberals, and we have the same types of liberals

02:34:22.120 up here, they are the only ones that seem to buy into the mythology of the moralism of it all. So

02:34:30.300 I'll give you an example I'm talking about. There's this great American geopolitical thinker,

02:34:35.320 a master of American diplomacy. He wrote this great book, this widely acclaimed book called

02:34:40.620 American Diplomacy. And he was making the case that the sort of the zeitgeist in America is that

02:34:47.760 we're on the side of freedom and we promote freedom and democracy. And we only engage in

02:34:52.680 wars that have sort of a moral basis. And a lot of people believe that. I know we probably don't.

02:34:57.940 Anyone who gives a shit about World War II knows it's more complicated than we went in there 0.98

02:35:02.220 because there is a bad guy and we fight the bad guys. 0.98

02:35:05.360 We always fight the bad guys and always have.

02:35:07.540 He was making the case that, you know,

02:35:08.800 America of course operates within its self-interest

02:35:11.220 even when it is imperialist.

02:35:12.740 But what it does is it signals to the world that it doesn't.

02:35:15.020 It justifies what it does

02:35:17.140 with moralistic narratives later.

02:35:19.220 And I'm not telling you anything that you don't know

02:35:21.220 or anyone doesn't know.

02:35:22.600 But I find that a lot of people,

02:35:25.520 people on the left, people on the right, 0.99

02:35:26.840 they kind of understand it's bullshit except liberals. 0.99

02:35:29.120 They still believe. 0.99

02:35:30.760 They believe every piece of propaganda ever, even when it's incoherent, even when it doesn't fit together. And that they're the ones who went all in on COVID. Every single narrative that emerged from that, they were all in on just because they're propaganda believers and they are morality endorsers as preposterous and ahistorical as it seems. And there's a lot of those people, I think.

02:35:54.260 so there's a lot of people who say well we we america is stopping bad guys and who's a bad guy

02:35:59.320 well any authoritarian which is a ridiculous way to run a country of course but i really do think

02:36:05.920 a lot of people believe that right i guess it's i guess the thing that i it's it's just like

02:36:12.960 the story of a place where people of the world can come and give it a shot right the the story

02:36:26.700 of a place where people can do that is extremely compelling and we we all we all i think inherently

02:36:35.420 I mean, the reason why, even as children, we are drawn to this story is because it's extremely relatable.

02:36:47.540 You know, the notion of individual freedom away from the state intervention of other places is like USAID, right?

02:37:01.720 There was that amazing thing recently that happened with USAID.

02:37:05.420 And it got shut down and all of the transparent documents came out and people realized that USAID was giving, you know, however many hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars to like support atheists in Nepal or support, you know, transgender in Ecuador.

02:37:25.100 Uh, the part that I think people don't remember is, is the people who wake up every morning and

02:37:33.700 go to USAID. These are mostly women who are thinking in their minds, basically I'm protecting

02:37:44.040 dogs from being slaughtered. You know, like basically they're thinking, oh, there's these 1.00

02:37:48.480 nice, friendly dogs. And if we don't do something, these dogs are going to be killed because

02:37:55.540 they have a white dot on their nose. And that's completely arbitrary. Why would you kill dogs

02:38:03.220 because they're this color and the existing dogs in that place are another color? That's wrong.

02:38:09.740 You know, we need to make sure that we do the work. We're doing the work on a global scale

02:38:16.140 to make sure that uh you know nobody is being um hurt nobody is dying people are dying nobody is

02:38:25.260 dying because of these immutable characteristics you know yes and if i you know a woman saying that

02:38:33.060 is uh it's very easy to be reactionary when confronted by something like that like for

02:38:38.800 example the dog thing a lot of people will be frustrated by hearing that and say well you know

02:38:42.420 what i am on the side of killing dogs yeah you become very ghoulish my reaction would be to step

02:38:49.280 outside of it and say uh officers arrest this woman she has had an opinion and she shouldn't

02:38:56.200 yeah who let her out of who let the dogs who let the dogs out we need the five guys to

02:39:03.620 let the dogs back in there's one there's a phenomenon that you're sort of getting out

02:39:08.980 there, and I've said this in our community recently, this will sound pretty controversial,

02:39:13.320 but one thing that we talk about on our show is having first principles rather than ideologies

02:39:18.720 or even beliefs. Wait, wait, so what, yeah, you've said this. So what is the difference between a

02:39:23.000 first principle and an ideology? So an ideology, I see ideologies as a, you know, emerging from

02:39:29.780 the industrial revolution, sort of a systems thinking way to create a template to make the

02:39:36.100 perfect society um and we can go on that for a while but an ideology it's like it's a system

02:39:41.440 that creates your perfect society so communism will be one fascism will be another one uh

02:39:46.300 capitalism ideologies okay yeah yeah and they're a way to structure and build a society a first

02:39:51.320 principle is something that you really truly believe in and hold dear that's inarguable

02:39:57.500 so uh i'll give an example but pretty you know of course i'm knowing my audience here let's say

02:40:03.800 uh first principle could be white people exist and deserve to exist or deserve to fight for the

02:40:10.760 right to exist it's something that you believe it where if you see someone disagree with that 0.71

02:40:16.220 or question it then you know they they're not an ally or you can't work with them

02:40:20.500 and any ethnicity could do that but it's like it's something that you hold that you refuse to

02:40:26.360 you know argue about whereas a belief might change for example if you're you know if you're

02:40:32.020 anti-zionist you can believe that trump is a zionist but that might change day to day but

02:40:36.880 your core principle is that um and those are often in orbit beliefs and ideologies around

02:40:42.860 your core principles like you just said about libertarianism that that streak of libertarianism

02:40:48.340 in america a lot of people really hold that dear they truly believe that you should not have to

02:40:53.960 answer to the state for anything that's fucking inarguable now what's interesting is i find

02:40:58.600 men tend to have first principles women usually don't but they do have beliefs 0.71

02:41:05.440 and they believe things more strongly than men as counterintuitive as that might say so

02:41:11.180 let's take climate change i saw a study recently that more women believe in climate change and

02:41:17.740 they're more vocal about climate change i have never encountered any one of these women who

02:41:22.220 actually have a deep-seated first principle regarding environmentalism or any deep ecology

02:41:28.640 or like the relationship with the environment they just know that climate change is a thing

02:41:33.040 they believe in and they believe in it very very strongly but those beliefs can actually be changed

02:41:37.140 easier whereas a first principle is something like an anchor so women have more strong beliefs

02:41:44.160 but they tend to change or they don't really think about them that deeply like even the abortion

02:41:49.180 debate like it's a woman's right to choose but what does that really mean have you thought about

02:41:54.460 that philosophically no it's just this thing that sounds good to say you scream it of course and you

02:42:01.120 carry signs for it but you know i don't even think they believe that terribly deeply have you ever

02:42:07.980 seen the uh one of the greatest horror movies ever made martyrs a long time ago actually i i saw like

02:42:15.380 a bunch of i don't watch a lot of like the the torturous stuff but i remember i went through a

02:42:19.520 period where i did oh you don't you strike me as a torture porn guy i like uh i like horror but i

02:42:25.520 you know i saw like a bunch of the saw movies i don't really have the patience just for you know

02:42:31.320 nihilistic gore suffering and things like that maybe i'm just a i'm a bleeding heart liberal

02:42:36.380 after all well it's certainly a torture porn movie it is very good it is is by far one of

02:42:43.520 the best horror movies ever made the french version they remade it in america and of course

02:42:46.900 i didn't even see it i'm sure it was horrible but um the end of that movie there's this incredible

02:42:52.460 twist and spoiler alert everybody um so it's pretty much like three quarters or even more

02:43:01.100 than three quarters maybe 80 90 a pretty typical saw like torture porn film and uh you know people

02:43:10.320 are being tortured and you're not really sure why they're imprisoned in sort of this basement thing

02:43:14.320 and it's really really graphic horrible torture and you're just like why is this happening

02:43:18.720 and then in the last 20 percent or 10 percent of the movie it shifts in the way that uh the show

02:43:27.280 lost shifts or um you know the cabin in the woods shifts where suddenly it becomes a sci-fi movie

02:43:35.880 so it goes from like you know super torture porn and i love movies like this i love movies you know

02:43:42.060 what's another movie like this is dusk till dawn oh yeah crime crime thriller and then it's like 0.98

02:43:47.300 three different movies yeah yeah i fucking love that shit so this is one of those and it shifts 0.98

02:43:52.620 to a weird sci-fi lost experimentation film and it's so fucking good it's it's literally like 0.99

02:44:02.240 really good and the the premise is that they're testing basically for the existence of god or

02:44:10.240 something and they're torturing people to the very very edge of of sanity uh a very very edge

02:44:18.480 of death including like completely skinning them alive and stuff and uh they're doing it to like

02:44:24.520 capture in some way the essence of like true belief more or less like the true belief or

02:44:32.020 the true relationship with some higher power or something right and uh the the sort of impetus of

02:44:40.840 it is that all the people they're doing this to are women and there's a like a montage scene

02:44:46.580 where it goes through all these historical women through time that were like tortured to death

02:44:51.700 and they were all tortured to death in in in the service of some belief

02:44:57.920 in the service of some like really deeply held belief you know what i guess i didn't see this

02:45:03.520 movie i must have been thinking of some other film this sounds really fascinating and i've

02:45:06.920 heard of this well and and they say we've discovered that men can't reach this level

02:45:13.060 because they don't have the commitment of belief that women do like they don't they can't really

02:45:19.160 truly reach the the full uh murderdom potential because they they're not passionate quite enough 0.99

02:45:26.580 about whatever their belief system is to stay alive despite all these like horrible things

02:45:32.000 happening to them well that's a perfect parallel yeah i know isn't that a good reference yeah and 0.98

02:45:37.360 there's something really to that about women it's like they are the ones their true beliefishness

02:45:43.400 is deeper than that like the in a way right like men are fundamentally more practical at the end

02:45:49.760 of the day yeah i was gonna say um one thing even with uh the usa scandal recently that america is

02:45:58.720 projecting its power across the world by funding these programs i'm like okay am i upset that it's

02:46:06.100 doing this or am i just upset about what it is they're projecting would i like this if they're

02:46:11.540 projecting and installing and popularizing just ideas that i like like don't don't teach

02:46:17.360 transgenderism to nigerian children but if they were teaching something more aligned to my beliefs

02:46:23.020 would i be that upset you know some people would some i probably wouldn't i'm a bit more cynical

02:46:27.360 about this sort of thing um but but yeah actually there's another film that as you were saying that

02:46:33.880 this is a very very loose connection but there's this film with hugh grant that came out recently

02:46:38.380 called heretic um i don't know if you've heard about that um it would have been last year told

02:46:43.600 me to watch that it's better than you think it's better than the trailer i mean hugh grant's

02:46:49.240 phenomenal in it but i would say everybody is great in it yeah and it um it really reveals

02:46:55.380 itself throughout about it's a there's some monologues in there there's it's a bit too

02:46:59.840 dialogue heavy in the start but um as a thriller that dabbles in the supernatural um it's very much

02:47:07.660 aligned with the the martyrs thing but it's it's like an atheist kind of i actually don't want to

02:47:13.020 just watch watch heretic um i think you'll like it okay um yeah all right so i anyway this is just

02:47:22.020 sort of a tangent we're talking about uh people true belief i i titled this episode marketing a

02:47:29.180 movement not really for any reason besides that just what come to my came to mind but

02:47:33.400 you like me are involved in the act of marketing uh so i guess my question is

02:47:43.360 what are you marketing you're saying first principles so maybe the first question question

02:47:50.060 is what are the first person principles i mean is it basically 14 words is it basically just like

02:47:57.260 white people uh rock or is what you know and if that's it the the problem with that

02:48:04.820 like

02:48:08.520 the story the marketing story of that is is is hard to sell i think right it's also hard to

02:48:22.260 even market the idea of white people because a lot of people of european descent will even bicker

02:48:28.980 about what constitutes white people in many europeans that i speak with reject uh the label

02:48:34.820 of white they see that as just like a north american thing that they don't even want to

02:48:39.700 well but a lot of the anti-semites do too you know the i think the the current anti-semite

02:48:45.140 belief is ethnogenesis that ethnogenesis occurred in north america and that's when

02:48:51.940 when the germans that's when the germans and the anglos uh became aligned right because germans and

02:48:57.700 anglos are kind of inherently opposed to each other in every way actually historically yeah

02:49:03.160 so i think what the uh typically german the typically german uh you know like the weak 0.88

02:49:10.740 jawed little shitty you know uh meme guy uh what he is is my people right my people and that it's 0.83

02:49:19.200 like ang anglo chad being like uh no no you're not my people uh so like so like uh do you believe 0.97

02:49:27.060 that do you believe that ethnogenesis occurred did were white people uh created uh in north

02:49:33.940 america i think they were created insofar as we even do have the category at all and i would say

02:49:39.840 that for a lot of people who would live in a predominantly european context the idea of white

02:49:46.820 or even Asian or black would seem paradoxical,

02:49:50.440 but it's like we have an understanding of whiteness

02:49:54.220 because we are beside black people and Asians and Native Americans.

02:49:59.000 And it's kind of like in prison, you know,

02:50:01.160 if you're a white guy in prison,

02:50:02.860 you will find out very fast that who your friends are based on your race. 0.68

02:50:07.340 And they don't really care if you're Irish or German or Jewish.

02:50:10.080 I think you can join if you're Jewish too.

02:50:12.340 the leader of the aryan brotherhood for quite some time was a jewish guy from what i understand

02:50:19.460 yeah so there was a guy named silverstein but i don't know if he was jewish or if that was his

02:50:23.920 like war name well he's one of those guys like people can debate about that all they want but

02:50:28.160 here's a guy who probably murdered 50 people in prison like you you cannot tell this guy that 0.99

02:50:33.480 can't be in charge like you know he's he's he's a he's a motherfucker these guys you you have to 0.99

02:50:40.120 answer with knives um and uh i was discussing this in our chat the other day about the idea 0.99

02:50:47.820 of having sort of a racial or ethnic core because some people were saying that you know the debate

02:50:52.760 was if you want to have a coherent homogenous group what is the level of outsider admixture 0.59

02:51:00.680 that you could have they were saying no you shouldn't allow any you should only breed with

02:51:05.720 people who are advantageous to the admixture and to create a superior species. And I said, 0.98

02:51:11.480 oh, yeah, sure, sure, sure. But realistically, that's never happened. Realistically,

02:51:16.820 these sorts of ethnicities have been negotiated over time. Even the German unification movement

02:51:23.120 is a fantastic case study within the 19th, 20th centuries of how these disparate city,

02:51:30.900 states and nations kind of conglomerated into what this thing we know as Germany, which has the

02:51:36.680 bedrock of sort of the Germanic ideal. However, politically and even arguably ethnically, these

02:51:42.920 people were pretty different and had to undergo something of an ethnogenesis. I would say

02:51:47.300 ethnogenesis just happens on its own. I'm not even sure it's something you can trigger. A good

02:51:54.080 example would be Canada. So in Canada, the main demographics that constitute it, if you look at

02:52:00.440 the red ensign flag it's uh the anglophones the francophones which would be the anglos and french

02:52:05.760 and then the scottish and uh i believe the irish i'm missing one but the scottish are big in there

02:52:12.160 too so here's three distinct identities that are represented as separate entities on the map

02:52:18.100 and even now we're a bilingual nation officially most people don't speak french but you should

02:52:24.200 And we would ask, is there some point in the future where you would actually merge the Angle and the Franco into one holistic Canadian identity or, and this is what me and my good friend Fortisax talked about quite some time, is like, or is the Canadian identity this trinity of identities that are encapsulated and we should actually preserve these separate identities as one sort of commonwealth?

02:52:50.880 My take is that maybe when I say a long enough timeline, that might be a century even, but it seems that geographical proximity and proximity generally will kind of merge people together over time.

02:53:02.260 Now, the Francophones are doing a great job of drawing a thick line between them and everyone else, but it just does seem a thing that naturally happens when you're in proximity to other people, whether you like or not, which is why people are about erecting these walls.

02:53:17.260 Like in America, the blending between the Anglo-American into Mexico, there's a serious gradation in the South where there's a lot of admixture going on in there and a lot of integration of Southern and Hispanic and Mexican. 0.66

02:53:36.260 The idea of Hispanic at all is this idea of a mixed race. 0.60

02:53:41.020 Right. 0.59

02:53:41.480 Well, and you know what else is the exact same, what the word Arab means. 0.99

02:53:46.180 Yeah, exactly.

02:53:46.840 Arab also means mixed. So it's like the, the Arabs and the Hispanics are like the same thing.

02:53:51.760 They're mirror images of each other. Although the Hispanics are far, far better in my opinion. 1.00

02:53:56.680 So when I talk about this stuff, ethnogenesis, I talk about it very granularly, like, okay, 1.00

02:54:00.240 this is an anthropological thing we're talking about. Right. So we can say, what, what, what

02:54:05.880 do we actually want to do when we say ethnogenesis? You just mean white people? Well, I mean,

02:54:09.860 we still haven't figured out whether Italians are white. There's still people who debate that.

02:54:14.860 i had a friend uh in the chat named faust who's a dutch and uh he believes that anyone outside of 0.99

02:54:21.680 scandinavia is toward the fucking piece of shit that there's this belief of this there's a thing 0.97

02:54:27.300 called the circle people say you are not in the circle because according to benjamin franklin 1.00

02:54:31.960 the only people that constitutes white are like the british and like southern scandinavians and

02:54:36.360 anything outside of that is like you might as well be chinese so we're still dealing with that

02:54:42.960 However, the fact that we still have this word called white means that it has a practical use.

02:54:49.540 It emerged organically.

02:54:51.680 So there's something there. 0.83

02:54:52.580 There's a reason why in a multicultural experiment, Asians cluster together, Blacks cluster together, and whites seem to cluster together. 0.99

02:55:01.080 So what do we do about that in a globalized society? 0.97

02:55:05.480 So, well, and I mean, again, yeah, I think what you're saying is correct, that ethnogenesis is usually pretty national, natural. It's just, and look, there's always going to be edge cases. You know, there's always going to be, you know, are Jews white, right? That's always going to be a question. Are Italians white? That's never going to stop, though.

02:55:29.560 You know, it's never like, it's not like there's ever going to be a time when everybody's like, oh, that's, that's it. You know, they're like, these are the, you know, these are the rules.

02:55:38.060 This is a classic conflict between American white nationalists and European nationalists where I'm not taking a side on this, but even an American white nationalist, they will try and appeal to Europeans and Europeans, as I said before, don't really want a part.

02:55:52.300 They're like, oh, I'm not a white nationalist.

02:55:53.960 I am a German nationalist.

02:55:55.760 I'm an Irish nationalist.

02:55:57.080 I don't even want to be included in this like white thing you got going on over here.

02:56:00.740 Maybe we're Europeans, but we don't even see you as European.

02:56:03.360 so and i know there's a lot of uh content careers who've like been beating their head against that

02:56:08.820 wall that's why there's not a whole lot of collaboration even in that space so i'm not

02:56:14.120 even trying to you know tell any tales out of school here but this has all been going on for

02:56:19.100 years anyway anyone who knows kind of knows this well right but i so again what i i ask again

02:56:25.200 what are these so these first principles that you have again my my feeling and of course you know 0.97

02:56:32.020 this is polluted because I'm a dirty Jew and a Michelin at that. 0.94

02:56:36.100 So I'm already a half edge case person. 0.99

02:56:38.500 Hey, you're halfway there.

02:56:39.540 My feeling is that. 0.92

02:56:46.460 Look, if the ethno state was going to work, it would.

02:56:52.000 I think people should be allowed to have it, right? 0.87

02:56:54.640 Like, I think that if you guys want to go have a whites only, no Jews, no blacks, no

02:57:00.240 anybody state somewhere you should do it like i think that they should be totally allowed if i 0.94

02:57:07.180 was in charge i would be like fucking go for it on the other hand i don't think that that's gonna 0.77

02:57:12.820 solve any of the problems that i mean sure it'll solve some of the problems it'll definitely solve 0.90

02:57:21.060 some of the problems right yeah you know it'll solve the school problem for sure and and any

02:57:26.860 parents on earth has to admit. I mean, it's incredible in Los Angeles, the lengths that

02:57:32.800 parents go to simply not just admit that they don't want to send their kid to school with black 1.00

02:57:39.080 people. It's like, like they will fucking create all kinds of metrics. You know, I mean, that's 1.00

02:57:48.060 how it works. That's how the sneaky liberal thing works. They say, I don't care. I want to send my

02:57:53.200 kid to a diverse school but look at these look at these numbers look at these ratings these ratings 0.99

02:57:59.900 are terrible i would be a bad parent if i didn't yeah i would be a bad parent it's not about black

02:58:05.000 people i would be a bad parent if i send my kids to these ratings and it's like uh of course 0.97

02:58:11.080 magically there are no black schools that rate you know as like the white schools but or the

02:58:17.360 Asian schools but theoretically one day there could be a black school you know once reparations

02:58:23.440 happen uh where the numbers will be the same you know they've gotten enough reparations they got 0.97

02:58:30.380 no interest in school yeah but it's funny because your average distant right individual is so beaten

02:58:37.680 down because they're aware of the multitudinous grievances that are impacting them so you've got

02:58:44.080 the race thing but it's also gender wars and then it's also the lgbt stuff these are separate

02:58:51.280 things actually happening concurrently then there's the economic problems and then there's

02:58:56.840 substance abuse then there's the fact that there's uh plastic in your blood and sperm counts are

02:59:02.200 collapsing and that's happening independent of all that other shit too well and and the part that i 0.77

02:59:06.920 feel strongly about again is what's not fair at all it like okay drive anywhere in la you'll see 0.81

02:59:12.880 a giant church that says you know uh first uh first um chinese christian church right and everybody

02:59:28.340 in that church is chinese i mean like you could go in there as a white person or a black person

02:59:34.580 i'm sure but it would be weird you know like you're not you're not really allowed in there

02:59:40.360 You know, and obviously us Jews have the same thing.

02:59:43.300 You know, we very much are allowed to build very strong walls around what we do.

02:59:49.440 I just went up the street here to a Chabad that has a yeshiva in it.

02:59:57.180 And it's incredible.

02:59:59.480 I mean, you're talking about it.

03:00:02.040 It's like there's a there's a vibe in those places that is like you feel it immediately.

03:00:07.520 You walk in there and you like feel it in the gut. 0.84

03:00:10.360 Because you're like, holy shit, I'm in kind of like a sacred place, you know, like you're in a place that like very, very few people see, you know, like you're really not allowed to see it. 0.88

03:00:21.060 Like people are like, that's like, it's a very, very protected space. 0.99

03:00:26.240 White people don't have that. 0.62

03:00:28.000 You're not allowed to have that. 0.99

03:00:29.020 you can't have the white church of x place or even the i mean like it would even be probably 0.90

03:00:36.380 frowned upon to have the irish church of something something where you're not allowing the you know 1.00

03:00:41.360 you're not allowing non-irish people in because then some black person would complain right 0.98

03:00:45.260 um so that's one of the reasons why people are so attracted to catholicism 0.75

03:00:50.080 sorry there's a bit of lag i apologize i'm cutting you off yeah no no all right are you

03:00:57.140 good or should i maybe something is open that shouldn't be are you uh let me close this um

03:01:02.740 so the thing that i completely and totally agree about not even for any practical reason at all

03:01:07.960 but simply because of justice it is totally unfair either from a moral standpoint that

03:01:14.200 white people do not have spaces for white people or yeah i mean it's pretty much that simple and

03:01:20.320 that's really not fair it's not okay you know like it's not okay that every people can have a thing 0.94

03:01:26.540 besides white people it's not tenable you you simply cannot go on that way because at a certain 0.99

03:01:31.840 point white people are going to say which is exactly what's happening uh fuck that you know 0.99

03:01:36.140 like how about i get my thing you know yeah and basically if you if we were allowed to have that 0.99

03:01:41.560 i think a lot of people would just be happy if there's you're allowed to have your little white

03:01:46.740 you know or pursue the plan of i mean even george lincoln rockwell i think was on in favor of this

03:01:52.300 But the Nation of Islam has always been on this, like the white area would be in the northwest and then the black segregated area would be around the Atlanta area, Georgia, and Atlanta would be sort of the capital, which it already kind of is.

03:02:07.400 And I honestly think if you just let most white nationalists just have that, they probably wouldn't pursue and they would just be happy and busy themselves in building that.

03:02:18.600 but they're not really allowed to have that or even pursue it and they absolutely should be

03:02:24.600 allowed to have it and i i'm all for i i hate this you know i don't want to say i hate the

03:02:28.500 civil rights act but i completely agree that the civil rights act absolutely needs to be repealed 0.99

03:02:33.620 it's deeply un-american it is deeply un-american to force white people to not have their own shit 0.99

03:02:40.240 i mean that's completely absurd it's a very un-american that should not exist um so i agree 0.99

03:02:46.820 with that at the same time we're we're here talking about marketing a movement

03:02:51.700 just saying this i mean like are you okay because it doesn't really like

03:03:01.180 the events that i've been to in in sort of your side of things

03:03:04.960 i agree that that group i think would be happy and many members of that group simply having a white

03:03:14.680 thing. But is that the story, right? I mean, it's like, is that the marketing message that's going

03:03:23.740 to work? Because to me, the reason the other side worked for so long is not because they said gay

03:03:32.280 race communism. It's not that they said tranny, get your dick chopped off and pay companies $100,000 1.00

03:03:40.360 a year to be a woman they didn't say any of those things they said freedom you know they said 0.99

03:03:48.760 exactly that's what anarchists always had too like there's such a strong um uh tradition of

03:03:56.280 anarchism on the left too and the reason that was always attractive to men is because i actually

03:04:02.520 think anarchism is is more friendly to the male persuasion because it's you can be an individual

03:04:08.680 you can do what you want you could pursue or if you're an egoist even saying just do whatever the

03:04:13.160 you want that's what most men want to do you can have your space and there's a lot of other theory

03:04:18.200 that goes along with that but the reason guys like that is because that is a pretty masculine pursuit

03:04:23.240 and i think if you understood how that worked you could say you know for example ethnogenesis

03:04:28.280 or whatever we're talking about really what you need to do is appeal to men and i think one of

03:04:33.640 of the reasons the vibe is shifting as we'd say uh on the left and it's moving more towards the

03:04:39.960 rights because i really thought i think they just started losing the men who are making the

03:04:43.360 decisions and then the women were just left alone in their like weird prisons of their own design

03:04:49.100 and now they're starting to gravitate towards the right because more men are because they said well 0.99

03:04:53.400 there's too many like fat queers over here we just don't like that we can't say that but we're just 0.99

03:04:58.940 gonna vote with our feet and go away from this fucking mess and so i think what happens is the 1.00

03:05:07.520 market is like like how has the right been so popular with men in my opinion is because they've 0.99

03:05:13.820 always been on the side of discipline and beauty frankly i mean there's a lot of people in our

03:05:20.300 space women especially who are to say that right-wing beauty art um that sort of thing so

03:05:26.260 we've always argued in favor of beauty and perfection, even utopianism, whereas, and the 1.00

03:05:31.260 left reactionarily had to say like, no, well, what is beauty? Beauty doesn't exist. Everything's

03:05:35.940 everything, but there's something in each of us that yearn for something that is, you know,

03:05:41.840 this is kind of what the vitalist movement's going after too, something that is masculine.

03:05:45.500 So where is masculinity permitted? It's only permitted over here. And that's kind of why

03:05:51.800 it's been working whereas the left is stuck with hedonism you know right but but haven't you seen

03:06:00.160 wouldn't you agree that any space that has ever been branded or marketed as masculine is gay as 0.99

03:06:07.640 fuck like you know what i mean like like that's why i don't use that word at all like like i 0.99

03:06:14.660 that's sort of a bucket that a lot of gay things can fall into because like i'm not the type of 0.99

03:06:20.400 guy who likes the 0.99

03:06:22.200 fucking physique posting and 1.00

03:06:24.180 stuff. I understand 0.99

03:06:26.220 it's good to be in shape. It's good to be

03:06:28.060 disciplined. I lift weights. A lot of people work

03:06:30.260 out, but I'm like, I just think it's gay 1.00

03:06:32.260 looking at half 0.97

03:06:34.300 naked men all the time and say, look at this. 0.90

03:06:36.560 What do you think about this? 0.93

03:06:38.880 So it can be a bit

03:06:40.220 too like a cargo cult.

03:06:42.440 Oftentimes it feels like we're a cargo cult in

03:06:44.180 masculinity and we're not capturing the essence

03:06:46.220 of it. But I don't think that's why.

03:06:48.040 I just think it's like

03:06:49.260 uh the most the the coolest you know i'm going to skip to the answer in in our space the coolest

03:06:58.820 things that i've seen the coolest parties or the cool the you know you know when you go to a place

03:07:05.320 and like you just feel i just was talking about this you just can feel the vibe and it's really

03:07:11.300 good that the real fucking vibes are either deep religion you know like when you get into a deeply 0.96

03:07:19.360 religious space or something like el segundo where it's just like the religion is hustle 0.99

03:07:27.520 you know the religion is we're going to the moon you know the the the religion is we're uh you know

03:07:34.520 to the moon little rocket ship you know emoji um or uh you know orbit there was phases of orbit

03:07:44.560 uh where it was like you know recapture the digital sphere pirates you know pirates

03:07:51.920 recapturing the internet all of you're absolutely right you're right i forgot to mention that like

03:07:58.260 you totally took the words out of my mouth because the right also is the only place trying

03:08:03.080 to chart towards an undiscovered country. And I think that's why that e-acceleration movement

03:08:08.420 has taken off. That's why so many people are obsessed with going to Mars. And there's one

03:08:12.480 side of this that's saying, we're going to fucking colonize space. Now, whether or not you agree with 0.98

03:08:17.220 that, whether or not you think it might be populated by some very strange people, there's

03:08:22.320 only one side that's actually trying to say like, here's where we're going. Whereas I find that on

03:08:28.860 our side of things uh it's very backwards facing um it's it's saying like wouldn't it be great to

03:08:34.740 be a peasant again right and we can have all sorts of historical backing for that like wouldn't you

03:08:40.240 want to just be a homesteader and i think most men don't most men don't wouldn't choose that

03:08:46.180 they would want something more vital and exciting and that's where they gravitate towards these

03:08:51.700 movements that aren't just about the stasis of masculinity but using that masculinity to go

03:08:57.100 somewhere not even saying masculinity but saying what are you doing that is exciting and violent

03:09:03.260 and interesting right it will and it's also like the cool part about the 14 words you know i i

03:09:15.400 first encountered the 14 words on a train ride from la to chicago he rode with hitler yeah is

03:09:22.860 He's on the train 0.70

03:09:25.600 Hitler on the train

03:09:27.300 And there was a guy who just got out of prison

03:09:30.560 And he had the 14 words tattooed on his back

03:09:33.540 And they were actually all X'd out

03:09:35.580 Because he got like jumped out of the click

03:09:37.340 Or whatever when he was leaving federal prison

03:09:39.000 A lot of federal prisoners take the train

03:09:40.920 When they first get out

03:09:41.900 And we stayed up all night

03:09:44.080 And you know 0.99

03:09:46.460 Snorted Adderall and fucking smoked weed 0.99

03:09:49.260 And like in the bathroom 0.99

03:09:51.320 Which you can do on Amtrak trains

03:09:52.800 believe it or not, uh, in the middle of the night because, you know, everybody's sleeping

03:09:56.300 and, you know, we bonded. He told me all about it, everything. And I had that feeling, uh, with him

03:10:02.820 of like, Whoa, this is some real shit. Like, this is like the deep darkness. Like this is some like 0.99

03:10:07.920 real shit, but the thing that's real about it is not really the first principle. It's the, uh, 0.99

03:10:16.480 It's the forbiddenness of it, right? I mean, that's really what makes it sexy. So once that's gone, like, like, say tomorrow, all the stigma around being a white supremacist is gone.

03:10:28.220 uh then what like then what is the what's it about then besides just i want to be around white people

03:10:38.480 what what's it uh what's it about i mean i guess everybody points to hitler right everybody points

03:10:45.640 to the amazing genius of the nazi movement which was undoubtedly incredibly genius but there was

03:10:52.620 a lot going on with that it wasn't just like german only there was a whole history they talk

03:10:59.100 about ethnogenesis they were basically like doing that's what's right as sort of like mind conf which

03:11:05.760 you should because like you said some people are attracted to this stuff because it's edgy

03:11:09.440 and scary you know a good example would be that when people hear of a show called the daily show 0.95

03:11:15.960 what the fuck are they talking about like slitting throats i mean you listen to it 0.97

03:11:20.260 you know maybe not now but back in the day it's like oh it's a morning zoo like it's actually 0.99

03:11:24.600 kind of funny and irreverent it's not as scary as you would think similarly you know when you're 0.50

03:11:30.540 hearing about Mein Kampf you're like what the fuck what's in there but you actually it's a

03:11:34.480 very fascinating book especially the back half where he's asking these questions like 0.90

03:11:38.300 what are we doing with the German people what course are we trying and there's this even better

03:11:43.140 book um the new i want to say for not phenomenology of blood and soil by richard de ray um and he was

03:11:50.520 an ss officer and he was asking the same sorts of questions by saying like look we are in a fallen

03:11:56.160 state we've had some of our best men in the meat grinder of world war one a lot of people forget

03:12:03.120 that like the there's no eugenic qualities to world war like the most intelligent and best

03:12:11.100 the genetic stock that you would want to reproduce are sometimes the first to die and so it's like 0.61

03:12:16.000 okay we have this idea of the ideal german people but how the fuck do we get there right so he was

03:12:22.320 charting of course by saying okay through the machinery of the state we can identify certain

03:12:28.080 men who have distinguished themselves with valor in the war now what we'll do is we'll reward them

03:12:35.520 with land and a home and if they meet a wife right then we're just going to kind of give them money 0.95

03:12:41.260 to have as many kids as possible we're going to make it easy for them so it's actually a eugenic 0.80

03:12:46.040 program but it's not just skin color it has to be other qualities has to be you know mental acuity

03:12:53.740 it needs to be you know maybe it's part that you're handsome but also it's that you're not

03:12:58.320 mentally ill it's also that you have in some other way expressed behaviors that we want to

03:13:03.940 eugenically maximized too and he's saying like let's we can actually just do this for the german

03:13:09.320 people so when they're talking about they're like yeah this is just a aside from the ideology aside

03:13:15.500 from the mysticism around all that like what can we do within the next five years to make it so 0.93

03:13:20.800 like the the coolest motherfuckers have the most kids versus elon musk going after just the worst 0.98

03:13:28.320 women you've ever seen yeah but the thing is that's sticky you know the musk ideology as far 0.99

03:13:36.520 as i've seen so far i'm right that's the stickiest thing we have you know i don't agree with it i'm 1.00

03:13:42.420 not a transhumanist you know i'm not a uh have 12 babies and that's the thing where in the german

03:13:48.780 model it's like okay we understand that it's got to be a man and a woman in a house raising a family

03:13:53.700 together whereas the transhumanist version is i want a baby max because this is just about creating

03:13:59.160 and multiplying genetic code so what elon musk is in for a rude awakening in 15 years when it 0.58

03:14:06.040 turns out that it turns out that all these kids raised by single moms don't have reverence for

03:14:11.240 their dad and he's actually just bred an insane amount of enemies against him like even trump 0.99

03:14:16.460 seems to raise his fucking kids but i'm like this is a nuclear bomb you're putting you're making for 1.00

03:14:22.740 yourself. Totally. Okay. So what do you see as, what's your prediction for what's going to happen 1.00

03:14:33.620 in the next, like say eight years? Well, I think a lot of the ideas and talking points and vibes

03:14:41.520 emerging from our side are getting adopted by the mainstream. You know, one of the sources I cited

03:14:48.640 in that speech that we were discussing was reflections on violence by george sorel who

03:14:54.420 was a french syndicalist interesting book i know imperium press i believe it's imperium press or

03:14:59.740 andalope i think it's imperium press they did a reprint of it and this is in the early 20th

03:15:05.300 century and he was looking at the syndicalist movements basically communists you know i'll 0.83

03:15:10.300 have syndicalists down my fucking i'm going for my neck saying that but basically that's what is 0.83

03:15:14.680 leftist right saying what led to the decline of the syndicalist movement and he said this is a 0.99

03:15:19.500 true revolutionary party what's a revolutionary party it should be tearing down the pillars of 0.99

03:15:25.220 society tearing down the institutions that's what we're for we're against all of this shit but he 0.98

03:15:30.760 found that we did a good enough job until we are invited to the table with with power and then we 0.96

03:15:37.760 started negotiating with it then they had interesting you know you'll see still see

03:15:43.780 Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité emblazoned on buildings all throughout Paris still, but it

03:15:51.040 sort of anesthetized that movement. It integrated a lot of it. And this is something Marx has talked

03:15:56.100 about a lot of time. The superstructure can integrate its enemies into itself to survive,

03:16:01.920 basically. But he was saying like, if you want to be a true revolutionary, you can never,

03:16:06.520 ever negotiate. You actually need to keep attacking until this thing is dead, if that is what you

03:16:13.220 want otherwise why are you a revolutionary so i think within the next eight years we'll see a lot

03:16:17.780 of the more radical points from our side and also when i say our side i mean the dissident right

03:16:23.120 which is actually a collection of a bunch of different groups that oftentimes don't even like

03:16:27.560 each other right but we're starting to see that we never planned for success if i had gone to you

03:16:33.440 uh it's like five six years ago and said that kanye west would be out there reading for basically

03:16:40.280 reading 4chan memes in front of america the one of the richest and most popular men in the world

03:16:45.180 basically trying to popularize anti-semitism i'd say well that's that's it everyone's red-pilled

03:16:50.800 right but he did that and what happens we everyone who is in that anti-semitism sphere

03:16:57.800 it's been so popularized recently and there's been so many celebrities forcing everyone to

03:17:05.140 have an opinion on it. And then what happens? Well, not much. So what? We didn't prepare for

03:17:10.620 that. We didn't know what would happen when the mass red pilling occurs. It turns out that we

03:17:15.480 needed to think about day two, right? And we have a nasty habit of, you know, if you want Trump to

03:17:20.800 be elected, you kind of stop thinking past election day. Yay, he's elected. Well, what's

03:17:26.940 the next day look like? What do the next three years? There's still no one in our space really

03:17:30.940 talk about what the next three years of Trump look like. They're just kind of riding the wave

03:17:35.140 and not trying to say like, where could this go wrong? Maybe we need to get ahead of some of

03:17:39.860 these problems. Anyway, we tend not to prepare for the acceptance, what we think are a radical

03:17:46.580 points, the mainstreaming of it. And then we're just kind of left there going, okay, I guess we

03:17:52.260 need to get more radical. I guess we need to get more insane. A lot of people end up with that. 0.92

03:17:56.900 And, you know, when we're talking about first principles, one issue is that as I get older, I keep stacking first principles, things that are non-negotiable to me.

03:18:06.680 And one I've had to put down recently is I don't entertain Satanists in my sphere.

03:18:14.020 And that sounds like an obvious thing, but there's quite a there's a Satanism problem on the right in the form of the Order of the Nine Angles and other groups.

03:18:24.160 Whoa, wait, what's that?

03:18:25.080 Oh, man, this is a whole history.

03:18:26.900 This is all bound up in Atomwaffen and federal assets and things like that. 0.84

03:18:32.920 Order of Nine Angles are sort of like a Nazi mysticism plus pedophilia, plus transgenderism, plus heroin addiction. 0.84

03:18:41.680 It's like anarchist Nazism. 0.96

03:18:44.660 It sounds like it's a cartoon.

03:18:47.100 It kind of is because there's a lot of rumors that this is sort of propped up.

03:18:51.200 oh is that why is that why like groipers are sometimes groipers are like super pro pedo

03:18:57.420 they're they're very confused all the time they're i think some of them think they're memeing and

03:19:03.860 they're so poisoned by online discourse that they don't understand how reprehensible that is um

03:19:10.400 or they you know i mean like it's hard for me to say because it's very easy to say that

03:19:14.460 it's easy to see pedos everywhere right and i take pedophilia very seriously and so i don't 0.77

03:19:20.640 like it when we just start calling everyone a pedo but it does seem that there's yeah a trollish

03:19:26.000 acceptance of that which i that's something i also don't entertain to like piss someone off i'm like

03:19:31.940 you're never going to catch me doing anything like that i think uh i think nick fuentes has

03:19:36.520 done a pretty bad job of cleaning house of that but he's done a bad job of cleaning house of a lot

03:19:42.300 of the degeneracy in america first but i don't want me to go into that

03:19:45.900 okay wait so what is order the nine angles i encourage people to look it up it's pretty well

03:19:53.540 known it's um it's a an actual group with founders and many different infiltrations they've done of

03:20:01.540 other groups um they're basically satanists and all that is bundled up in satanism um it's it's

03:20:07.440 not just a scare word you know people say satan is like that's not serious well it actually is

03:20:11.720 um which is a bit different than luciferianism which is kind of you know sort of weird mysticism

03:20:16.240 but i mean like these people are truly hateful of all forms of morality and um all the status quo 0.71

03:20:24.000 and hate just hatred and everything and it's very easy to end up there if you are black pilled and

03:20:30.520 sometimes you get there through being anti-christian um so that's the revolt against that 0.61

03:20:35.700 it's it's beyond being an atheist i'm not trying to you know make those synonymous but i've noticed

03:20:41.440 that they have a nasty habit of infiltrating group chats and things um they're pretty subversive

03:20:48.720 about it and uh you'll start to notice occult stuff become more popular in certain communities

03:20:55.960 um and getting into you know and i'm not going to name any names i'm not trying to blow up

03:21:00.800 anyone's fog because to me this is very serious stuff but uh i think some people think it's not

03:21:05.500 as serious as it is i mean you don't need to be a christian necessarily to be anti-satans you can 0.55

03:21:10.900 an atheist you could be a fucking a pagan because in pagan circles you can imagine how satanism can 0.89

03:21:18.500 very easily slither in to adherence to folk ways and folk traditions like you know they're very 0.99

03:21:25.060 very tricky people and they will subvert your community and turn it into something 1.00

03:21:29.380 absolutely wretched and it starts with sort of acceptance of transgenderism and anyway um look 1.00

03:21:35.060 up order of the nine angles it is a real thing there's people with tattoos it's not the biggest 0.79

03:21:39.780 movement of course but um it's still present some people think it just went away and i i don't think

03:21:46.020 so so that's the first principle i'm like i'm not i'm pretty laissez-faire with religions in our

03:21:51.340 community there's a lot of protestants catholics atheists pagans i like to entertain all that but

03:21:56.860 i'm like i got no patience for satanists i think anytime they're allowed in they will

03:22:01.600 the same thing with transgenderism generally i'm like just don't have it it's gonna ruin 0.68

03:22:07.560 everything it's never worked yeah yeah you know the god so how long has this been around how long 0.93

03:22:17.340 is the order of nine um i'm looking at the chat here um alexander august says william ramsey has

03:22:22.020 done good work on o9a so i i would just pass it to him there's a lot of but there's a lot of people

03:22:28.600 who've really gone deep on this i we've talked about it off and on in our show but i haven't

03:22:33.340 you know gone too too deep into i i spoke with a friend of mine named zoltanis quite a while ago

03:22:39.960 and he big time he has this uh channel called fascio and he does these really great short films

03:22:46.240 about like deep you know fascist history and philosophy and he was affiliated with uh adam

03:22:53.120 off and iron march at one point in the past so i was talking to him again the insider gossip of

03:22:58.700 of how this should happen a lot of people are they'll recall this group called adam waffen

03:23:04.140 which was again sounds cartoonish when you read it but until you realize that there's a couple

03:23:08.700 dozen people in there um and that their thing is also trying to recruit children discord is very

03:23:15.660 popular with them it's just it's just cancerous and it's an easy sell to people who hate society

03:23:21.740 it's an easy sell to the black pilled or the people that think that everything in the society 0.92

03:23:27.660 must collapse the root of that you hate christianity you hate liberalism you hate 0.78

03:23:32.620 individually hate everything you see so why not that why not take the most destructive left-hand

03:23:40.300 path and some people they don't have an answer for that so they end up doing it wait why left-hand

03:23:45.980 i thought left-hand path was sort of the uh uh femellian version like the left-hand path is sort

03:23:51.100 of like the occult i'm not a satanist so i don't know this but i'd heard that the left hand

03:23:56.620 That was the bad hand.

03:24:01.340 Okay.

03:24:02.000 Oh, I get it.

03:24:02.760 Okay.

03:24:03.300 Interesting.

03:24:03.900 I didn't know any of this.

03:24:05.120 So are you a Christian?

03:24:05.960 Yeah, I'm a Catholic.

03:24:08.280 Not a cradle Catholic.

03:24:09.780 I wasn't raised in the church. 0.81

03:24:11.180 I was converted later.

03:24:11.980 I don't talk about it too, too often.

03:24:13.900 I was actually on a show recently with a good friend of mine named Dark Enlightenment.

03:24:18.440 It's called The Fundamental Principle.

03:24:20.680 And that's sort of a Catholic podcast.

03:24:22.360 We were talking about it.

03:24:23.360 But, yeah, I was once called, what was it, by one of our listeners, I was called a scandal upon the Catholic Church.

03:24:32.780 I guess I don't do a very good job, but, you know, I'm not the best at it.

03:24:39.260 Interesting.

03:24:40.560 Okay, so, yeah, I think you're totally right that we're going to see now that Kanye is right.

03:24:46.900 Now that we have the biggest pop star in the world, or, you know, arguably, you know, getting deep into anti-Semitism, right, it's gonna, the only place it can go for certain groups is more extreme, right? And I think that that's true. 0.83

03:25:03.380 i mean the funny thing about kanye is you know he i went to his um show at staples center a while

03:25:11.980 ago and it was uh the yeezus show and the shirts he had then the merc shirts had the confederate 0.97

03:25:18.860 like when people look at kanye west and he's wearing a fucking bedazzled swastika necklace 0.93

03:25:24.560 i'm like okay this is funny it it doesn't mean anything to him and i know that's probably a 0.97

03:25:30.680 funny thing to say i'm like he doesn't really love hitler but he doesn't um this is just like a

03:25:35.700 trendy thing just like the confederate flag um just it's i think he's actually using more of a free

03:25:41.420 speech angle he probably doesn't honestly i'm surprised more people didn't come to his defense

03:25:45.620 because the nation of islam is such a powerful force within the hip-hop community like why wasn't 0.96

03:25:51.240 j electronica saying anything like all these guys fucking like why mr fucking jay-z mr bastia like 0.99

03:25:58.240 why why is everyone clamming up when he's saying the same shit that wu-tang clan was saying 0.99

03:26:03.200 why isn't wu-tang clan are fucking five percenters like they're the nation of islam guys 0.99

03:26:07.900 they're farrakhan followers like you all kind of believe this why are you leaving them to hang out 0.98

03:26:12.640 to dry it was like i couldn't understand that very good point you mean saying the same thing

03:26:17.680 about the jews like the nation of islam he's basically saying that and i think he he's probably

03:26:22.620 looking around like why isn't rizza on my side why isn't lupe fiasco on my side all right or like

03:26:30.180 kendrick lamar anyway i won't get off too much into that but um you look at the swaska thing

03:26:35.560 i'm like this is just a fashion thing for him so we can all say whoa crazy but i don't he's also 0.92

03:26:43.040 got titanium teeth and sounds fucked up and he's walking around just in full body sweatpants like 0.99

03:26:49.600 just it's a bunch of weird shit full body sweatpants uh yeah i mean it's interesting 0.99

03:26:58.680 what's happened with gagne it's a it's a weird uh it's a weird trajectory i mean you know that 0.99

03:27:03.700 the the anti-semitic turn though is i think uh lauren hill had a similar you know and i think

03:27:10.560 and she got kind of disappeared from the world because of that um so it's not entirely unheard

03:27:17.660 of but it is you're right it's a very good point like how come the islamic guys didn't do that and

03:27:23.220 for yeah for some reason the islamic side of it is is more tolerated uh than yeah even a rapper 0.98

03:27:30.180 like vinnie paz from jedi mind tricks who i like he's a muslim he's like a fucking just a guinea 0.99

03:27:36.540 muslim from philadelphia he's like yo this this fucking kanye west he's a dummy he's a hardhead 0.99

03:27:43.020 I'm like, first of all, you're a white Muslim, so you're actually supposed to hate Zionists more than the regular ones. 1.00

03:27:50.760 Yeah, these white Muslims, man. 0.99

03:27:52.720 Come on. 0.95

03:27:53.920 Yeah, you're supposed to be every Muslim times 10 because you're also talking about lasagna all the time. 1.00

03:28:01.900 Yeah. 1.00

03:28:02.520 Why are all white Muslims gingers? 1.00

03:28:05.660 Have you noticed that? 1.00

03:28:06.420 There's some weird correlation between being ginger and becoming a white Muslim.

03:28:10.500 I don't know.

03:28:11.220 i actually don't i've noticed that too um i here here's a theory i watched a rap by that guy you

03:28:19.220 know the one everyone's talking about like dean or dunya or whatever and it's oh yeah what is that

03:28:24.660 i don't know what i only know is that he's doing one of the worst raps i've ever heard and the 0.97

03:28:28.100 thing about muslims is they love anyone doing muslim stuff they don't really have a lot of 0.98

03:28:33.300 filters for the types of people they'll accept like if you're just a whore like they loved 0.99

03:28:38.020 sneeko and andrew tate when they were kind of being muslims for like a minute but so they don't 0.99

03:28:44.020 really give a shit as long as you're doing so i'm like oh this is just where like bad white rappers 0.98

03:28:48.060 are going to get praise yeah like a gin no no one if you're just a ginger guy you're not allowed to 1.00

03:28:54.860 wrap period yeah unless you're muslim then yeah so you have got an audience now

03:29:01.400 all right um all right man well anything uh to say here in in the last 10 minutes any any thoughts

03:29:10.680 about well first of all i hope that i answered your questions um i know i can kind of go off

03:29:16.040 on tangents sometimes but uh i've had a great time in this conversation i didn't come in with

03:29:21.160 anything uh prepared but we've touched on a lot of things i've been talking about lately i know that

03:29:25.960 there's the uh the ice man saying like in the chat saying you know don't worry about o9a i know i know

03:29:31.240 i know it's it's almost insignificant however i almost i don't get to talk about this elsewhere

03:29:36.840 it was just off the top of my head after looking into some stuff lately but it's only here where i

03:29:42.040 get to talk about it and i'm very impressed that you know you you were engaging in this uh in this

03:29:48.600 discussion you know i'm like okay we're not gonna we're not gonna talk about hitler you know i made

03:29:55.040 a promise to myself we're not gonna talk we did and we had a great time doing it well i don't know

03:30:03.200 man i mean it's the the the end i know that a lot of people uh think that i tried to infiltrate the

03:30:09.960 uh tried to infiltrate their their secret hitler parties and flip them which is not at all true

03:30:17.140 I, you know, if I was trying to infiltrate your Hitler parties, I would have certainly gone about it very differently. I think for me, look, like, you know, I love the edgy side of things and I love everything like that. 0.86

03:30:34.000 And like I said, I want to see a world in which everybody, regardless of your race, is free to have your own claims.

03:30:42.360 You know, I think that's really what it's all about. Freedom of association, you know, free enterprise, these things.

03:30:47.100 And I I think that that should happen. Yeah. And also with that in mind, and maybe we can end on this.

03:30:52.660 Some people will hear that and say, oh, of course, then you balkanize those places.

03:30:57.720 And I may be a rare breed where I don't think balkanization is necessarily the answer.

03:31:02.940 I had a good friend of mine named Hapa Perspective, who's a very popular creator in our space.

03:31:08.040 He's a Hapa, of course, and he's American, very strong American nationalist.

03:31:12.040 And he was saying that, you know, it's the destiny of America to balkanize eventually.

03:31:17.520 But I'm like, I just I don't even think so.

03:31:20.660 I don't think I think if you balkanize, it actually leads to a higher likelihood of annexation by outside forces.

03:31:28.920 You know, if you break up, there's a reason these nations formed to begin with. There's a reason these commonwealths formed to begin with. And it was just purely based on survival. So as internally segregated as you might want to be, I don't think the American empire is ever, ever, ever going to break apart.

03:31:48.460 well of course it will one day right of course it will one day and i think

03:31:54.960 enclavization is good you know i mean i think i think balkanization will be good because i think

03:32:02.500 that it will bring more peace and also it'll bring more culture i mean the the real thing i hate

03:32:08.280 about our enemies more than anything else is their slopification of everything you know i mean i

03:32:13.160 think that's the worst thing imaginable is the, when you have forced integration, you have this

03:32:19.400 grayness that just pervades everywhere. You know, you have this gray, uh, sort of fake soulless, 0.98

03:32:30.800 um, like thing where everything is not really allowed to have the freedom to marinate and be

03:32:41.440 itself it has to be the most superficial version of it you know it's like the the tacos you know

03:32:47.220 i love tacos we need mexicans because i love tacos sorry i interrupt you i have to get going

03:32:52.780 right now actually i can hear my kids screaming i think something's going on sorry about that i

03:32:57.740 i had again a phenomenal time thank you so much for having all good buddy we'll see you later i'll

03:33:03.000 press the button have a good one

03:33:04.380 It's a beauty in me.

Blood Satellite - April 25, 2025

Bucceesian overLARPing Magisteria

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