02:02:05.040but i i'm hugely interested in just hearing stories about what it's like down there and
02:02:11.840i think the the through line for me and this is something that was being woven throughout much of
02:02:18.560the content you were sharing and uh we can go in many different directions at this talk but
02:02:24.560i i think a lot of people look towards south africa as ahead of the curve and south africa
02:02:29.840is dealing with a government and a let's call it a racial ethnic situation that is just dawning
02:02:39.840on many countries in the west and they're looking towards the tactics and strategies
02:02:45.200and solutions that uh many of the south african whites the boars have come up with and uh and
02:02:53.360that's how we're going to frame this conversation at least for me because i think there's much
02:02:56.720to learn from south africa and with that preamble out of the way i'd like to say thank you so much
02:03:01.520for taking the time to uh come here today well dimes thank you very much for inviting me on well
02:03:07.520yes i'm uh tuning in here from the literal heart of darkness time zone uh central africa time it's
02:03:15.120like this time zone that goes all the way down the middle of africa and yeah thank you very much for
02:03:20.240making the time that we can beat the time zone difference to have this conversation and you're
02:03:24.320you're absolutely correct. South Africa is ahead of the curve, but in two ways. Firstly, in regards
02:03:30.240to decay and South Africanization, we're quite the ground zero case study for South Africanization.
02:03:38.380And then secondly, also ahead of the curve in regards to how do you respond to South Africanization?
02:03:43.560How do you actually organize to solve the problems that are unique to South Africa and
02:03:48.980the problems that are becoming increasingly not unique when it comes to a lot of other countries
02:03:54.160seeming very desperate to follow in our footsteps in all the wrong ways i've got a question for you
02:04:00.400now just at the top would you describe what's going on in south africa as anarcho tyranny and
02:04:08.700that's a word that gets thrown around a lot here uh and it's a kind of two-part question a would
02:04:12.920you describe it as that and b how much of it is driven by your ethnic cohort by other white south
02:04:21.780africans because that's that's something that gets mentioned here uh in our discourse a few times
02:04:27.280just almost as a joke like just remember there's south white south african liberals there's white
02:04:33.540south africans and we get that over here in canada get that in the u.s everywhere but it just seems
02:04:36.880so extreme there that you could be a white south african and think everything's fine who gives a
02:04:42.760shit we deserve this whatever so a is an air conditioning b how much of this is driven by
02:04:49.360ways. So on the one side, yes, when it comes to anarcho-tyranny in the sense that the criminals
02:04:57.240run free and the people breaking little trivial laws get the book thrown at them. On one side,
02:05:04.300yes, we do see a lot of that. I mean, if you don't pay your taxes in South Africa,
02:05:08.520they're going to get you. But on the other side, if you are a crime lord or some just like mass
02:05:14.900murderer there's a chance you're going to get away um and then or a high chance you'll not be caught
02:05:20.660um i think the best example of that is exactly in the taxpayer example i mean all of south africa's
02:05:26.900we call them soe state-owned enterprises um are in a state of rapid decay and collapse um
02:05:34.260some more than others um and there's a there's just one uh state-owned enterprise that's not
02:05:40.420in a state of collapse that's still in a first world absolute world uh world-class position
02:05:45.940and state and that is the the revenue service the the taxpayer the the tax man uh so in south
02:05:53.140africa tax collection is still done at a first world rate of efficiency um but uh everything
02:05:59.220else that the taxes go towards is being spent at a uh on a on a third world level when it comes to
02:06:05.460corruption, mismanagement, just overall failure when it comes to these state-owned enterprises.
02:06:12.580And yeah, so on the one side, yes, there is a level of anarcho-tourney where a lot of criminals
02:06:19.500get away with their serious crimes while just petty people breaking little trivial laws get
02:06:28.020the book thrown at them. But on the other side, I think also the vast majority of what we're
02:06:33.320seeing in South Africa regarding crime and out of control crime is much more just due to state
02:06:39.660failure and state incompetence rather than a deliberate agenda where the state wants crime
02:06:46.160to be completely out of control. Rather, it's just the state is completely incapable of dealing with
02:06:51.740the crime wave and the crime problem that they themselves have created through their own
02:06:56.920incompetence and corruption. Yeah, there's one article that you'd send I'd love to point to,
02:07:02.700just so people can tell the disintegration of south african order uh this is from kus milan
02:07:09.020and uh down here there's a great segment here um house the south african government lost the
02:07:15.500monopoly on legal violence and i like this because it really drills down into the details and gives
02:07:21.180some names here and i was not privy to a lot of these specifics but um and you know you can say
02:07:28.060generally it's lost the the monopoly and violence but then looking here there's the casey and
02:07:32.700uprising in 2021 um there's several criminal mafias the construction mafia how frequent is
02:07:40.460this because i don't know many of these stories how often are we seeing these mafias i assume
02:07:45.980they're mostly black you know over here in the west we tend to view things in white and black
02:07:50.060terms i don't know if there's different terminology or more specific terminology over there like for
02:07:54.140for example in america they call their natives indians we tend to call them aboriginals up here
02:07:59.860i want to be sensitive for that um lest everyone think it's just american blacks doing all this
02:08:05.920over there but i have to say organized crime in south africa is quite diverse i've not seen uh
02:08:12.160i've not seen some official uh racial uh report or study being done in regards to the different
02:08:19.820demographic breakdown of organized crime in South Africa. But I do think on the organized crime
02:08:26.020front, at least, there seems to be a lot of faces to organized crime in South Africa. But I might
02:08:31.420be getting ahead of myself in regards to this piece of analysis, but it is important to get
02:08:36.420the full picture. So what you're describing there with all these types of mafias, the organized
02:08:41.240crime in South Africa, there's a building, a construction mafia, water mafia, every little
02:08:46.620sector has a mafia that has been embedded in it but what what's happening here is once again an
02:08:52.940outflow of that state capacity decay that i've uh spoke about earlier where the government has
02:08:59.180all these different responsibilities and large sphere of influence and responsibility that's
02:09:05.580starting to collapse and it's creating this massive void and to put it in very simplistic
02:09:10.380terms that void can only be filled by the good guys or the bad guys the bad guys being organized
02:09:15.580crime or the good guys being either the private sector or organized communities and organized
02:09:20.780communities is where our organization afri forum comes in and we'll get to that later a bit more
02:09:26.060into detail but that's what you're seeing happen in south africa this massive power vacuum is being
02:09:31.580created and the power a power vacuum will always be filled and it can either be filled by or it's
02:09:38.300going to be filled by those who can organize the most effectively and efficiently and at the moment
02:09:43.580in South Africa, it's those three factions, organized crime, the private sector, and organized
02:09:48.840community. So it's no coincidence that both organized crime and organized communities and
02:09:55.000the private sector in certain sectors is thriving in South Africa. The private sector is particularly
02:10:00.560thriving in the private security sector, where the private security sector in South Africa is
02:10:06.840incredibly competitive, where there's more, I think there's, yeah, not I think I know,
02:10:11.980there's more private security guards in South Africa than the military and police personnel
02:10:17.140combined. So that gives you an idea of how large and competitive the sector is. And because it's
02:10:24.720so competitive, the private security sector can give like dirt cheap price options to regular
02:10:30.120South Africans. So private security is not something that only the rich South Africans
02:10:34.480can afford. For example, my private security, like armed response service that I pay for,
02:10:41.300where if I have a problem, they will show up within minutes at my house, highly armed,
02:10:45.960highly trained for any type of criminal threat. And that service, I pay the same amount in rands
02:10:53.280that you would pay in, rand is the South African currency, that you would pay in dollars for maybe
02:10:58.680one or two fancy starbucks coffees per month yeah and i actually uh look that up just to get the
02:11:04.920precise numbers and you know i'm uh just like everyone else i just typed it into google but
02:11:10.760this seems to be accurate south africa boasts one of the highest per capita rates of private
02:11:15.240security in the world a lot of people think it would be america america i think it invests the
02:11:19.800most money but you know comparatively it doesn't have as many security officers as south africa
02:11:25.640China's up there as well, apparently India as well.
02:11:29.560But there's a couple of things you'd mentioned there.
02:11:32.940And I love the description of what we might call bureaucratic mafias, because I think
02:11:39.820when people imagine a collapse scenario here in Canada or in America, they imagine just
02:11:45.740the government falling apart and it descends into chaos.
02:11:50.060But what you would see is as and I think we're going to see this in Canada before America.
02:11:55.640And I think it's important to point out that America has such strong and coherent internal projection of power, it makes it globally distinct, maybe comparably to the UK, just due to their security panopticon, but the ineptitude of their police is sort of globally recognized.
02:12:17.540But the idea is that as the central state apparatus begins to lose power, interestingly, and I never considered this before, you would see sort of bureaucratic mafias emerge.
02:12:29.220And we have something like that in Canada.
02:12:31.240We've got people call it the dairy cartel.
02:12:34.780People are throwing around the word cartel up here.
02:12:36.720But it's because we love state-owned enterprises up here in Canada.
02:12:51.560They might because they're very confident in themselves.
02:12:55.460Because the organized crime cartels in South Africa or the organized crime sector, if you want to call it that, pretty much has, from what I can see, from what I've seen the police confiscate and find at crime scenes,
02:13:09.040They have pretty much the highest level tech, military grade tech at their disposal, especially for high risk type of crimes like cash and transit heists.
02:13:19.500So that's the 21st century version of the stagecoach hijacking in the Wild West where money or cash needs to be transported.
02:13:27.240So it's transported in these armored vehicles and not just in South Africa, all across the world.
02:13:31.940But then these organized crime syndicates, they strap explosives to that type of armored vehicle or they shoot it with a RPG and then they pick up all the cash that explodes out of it.
02:13:44.480I think there was a clip from South Africa that went viral a few years ago of like a white driver and his black co-pilot driving one of these armored vehicles and they're under attack.
02:13:54.140And you can see like the bulletproof glass starting to like crack here close by them.
02:13:59.700he's like frantically driving to get away and they actually get away and he's like driving like he's
02:14:04.160playing some type of gta game well and that's what i wanted to get to next because we're using
02:14:08.640terminology like organized crime cartels and mafias but i wanted to be clear that you know
02:14:14.480when we discuss it here in canada or maybe even in america people sort of bandy around these phrases
02:14:19.200very liberally let's say but it sounds to me that the level of crime would be more comparable to a
02:14:25.780place like mexico absolutely yes yeah and and so you know daring daylight heists and piracy of that
02:14:33.440like is is that like hits going on constantly you just constantly read about like some guy getting
02:14:39.180a hit take it's getting taken out and then you read about their connections to like this entire
02:14:44.620criminal underworld of south africa and it happens on a on a regular basis so yeah no it's a lot more
02:14:50.240like mexico than like canada in that in that respect and so it seems that that would be heavily
02:14:56.220normalized there for the population it's absolutely normalized but also i think that's my biggest
02:15:01.920biggest gripe or something that i always mention to the accelerationists that you find online that
02:15:07.720pretty much have this logic of if things just get bad enough then my group chat is going to ascend
02:15:13.460and my my response there is always like no when things collapse it's not going to be your group
02:15:18.320chat that takes over. It's going to be the organized crime elements and those communities
02:15:23.040that were able to organize themselves, the good guys and the bad guys that were able to organize
02:15:27.340themselves effectively in the real world, not just online, but also in regards to having a plan for
02:15:34.360when that happens. You can't make up a plan when the collapse starts happening in earnest. You have
02:15:41.420to have a plan already. I mean, that's the whole MO of AfriForum. AfriForum, unfortunately, is not
02:15:47.320a five-year blueprint for anyone that wants to copy what we're doing. AfriForum turns 20 years
02:15:52.740old this year. So we were proactive when we started as an organization 20 years ago. 20 years
02:15:57.980ago, South Africa was almost a different country. A lot of these problems were a lot less exacerbated
02:16:03.120then. We didn't even have rolling blackouts. I remember vividly the first time we were going to
02:16:09.860have rolling blackouts i was on my way to uh to school as a to primary school and we heard over
02:16:17.100the radio that there's going to be rolling blackouts tonight and i'm like 30 years old with
02:16:21.920a mortgage a wife and child on the way and um the the rolling blackouts are still going so that's
02:16:28.120that's the reality of how long uh collapse is also stretched out but you have to be the point is you
02:16:33.800have to be proactive you need to start organizing before the storm hits you're not going to be able
02:16:38.000to organize when the storm already has hit. If you just picture in your mind people trying to build
02:16:44.220the ark while the rain is pouring down, that's not going to work. You have to already have started
02:16:49.280building before the storm hits. And unfortunately, I see that a lot of people, especially in America
02:16:54.500and in Europe to some extent as well, have this logic of we first need the collapse or the crisis
02:17:00.540to hit so that people wake up. And when they've woken up, quote unquote, then we're going to be
02:17:05.900able to have a lot of people to work with and we're going to be able to start building and
02:17:09.660that's not how it works you're always going to be an active minority the majority doesn't wake up
02:17:15.660we can get into that a little bit the uh what would you call it the accelerationist eschatology
02:17:21.800of like when the the major cataclysm hits then the masses quote unquote wake up and then it's
02:17:27.940just a whole different ball game then we're going to be in the ascendancy and that's just not how
02:17:31.980words no i agree completely and this is something that we've mentioned on blood satellite before but
02:17:37.740we've also mentioned it in many of our group chats and forums or what have you uh there's something
02:17:43.020of a mythical poetry that's possessed many you know right leading or you know racial advocates
02:17:49.660here in the west exactly what you said precisely what you said which is that and you used to see
02:17:54.780this more years ago which is that we just need to red pill the masses that was the terminology we
02:18:00.220would use we need to awaken them and once we awaken them something will happen well on most
02:18:06.300topics you can imagine the majority of people are red pilled right now they're aware we increase the
02:18:13.260awareness of the problem but they're just not getting out of bed yeah it's it does end up
02:18:19.500getting normalized that if you just hear you know and it really only takes one generation
02:18:24.860which is around 20 years for the status quo to get normalized and you're starting to see this
02:18:29.660over here with uh you know you saw them with millennials but also gen z's that it's been so bad
02:18:35.180here for so long they don't know any different they don't have memories of how it used to be
02:18:40.140and so it's firmly established in their minds and then if it gets worse and worse then that there's
02:18:44.140really no emotional connection to a better way of life they can kind of abstractly apprehended they
02:18:50.300can read about it or see images but they don't feel like it might as well be fiction but furthermore
02:18:57.420the idea that things get worse and then there's some glorious rebirth we rise from the ashes
02:19:03.340well what you usually see historically across the world is things get really really bad and then
02:19:09.260they stay bad for centuries you know because things do to get normalized and then that's the
02:19:14.620status quo and then people then then some other cataclysm needs to happen but it's usually driven
02:19:20.620by a switched on or initiated minority
02:24:36.400to do other things that labor unions not traditionally do.
02:24:39.740And they realize they can't really diversify too much in regards to where their focus is, otherwise their resources and their focus is going to be stretched too thin.
02:24:48.660So then they start AFRI Forum, civil rights and also community organizing organization in South Africa.
02:24:57.320So on the civil rights side, it is court cases fighting for the constitutional rights of minorities in South Africa, in particular the Afrikaners.
02:25:05.800And then on the community organization side, it's the branches, it's the neighborhood watches.
02:25:11.920So the people think that the court cases that we fight are the majority of our work,
02:25:17.980because that's the exciting stuff that you read about online and in the newspapers.
02:25:22.480That's just 20% of where our resources go.
02:25:25.260The other 80% goes towards the other side of our strategy.
02:25:29.020So we've got what we call a fach in bow strategy, a fight and build strategy.
02:25:33.860fight in the courts to protect Afrikaners and other South Africans' rights to freedom of speech,
02:25:41.940right to private property, right to freedom of association, all of these rights that you need
02:25:46.640to enable your other building strategies, which are our branches network. So we've got over 175
02:25:53.500branches all across the country. And these branches organize AfriForum members on the ground.
02:26:00.060And the AfriForum membership model is really where the funding comes from for all of these operations.
02:26:05.420So you don't just become an AfriForum member by clicking like on Facebook or signing some petition.
02:26:11.580You can only be counted as a member if you're a donating member, if you give a certain amount of money or if you give a minimum amount of money per month, which is about 50 cents, I think, in dollar terms per month at minimum that you have to give.
02:26:27.020or $1, just over $1.50, if I do my math correctly.
02:26:32.760And we've at this point now have over 300,000 members.
02:26:36.720And to put that number into perspective,
02:26:39.120we've been able to get 300,000 members
02:26:41.740out of a pool of just 2.7 million Afrikaners.
02:26:45.580And there's 2.7 million Afrikaners in South Africa
02:26:48.920and about 4.5 million white South Africans.
02:26:51.500But the vast majority of our members are Afrikaner South Africans.
02:26:56.120and that membership model we use to fund the physical stuff we do in community so through
02:27:02.940the that branches network each branch organizes the afri forum members in that community they
02:27:08.680identify the problems caused by state failure that is the most of immediate and serious concern
02:27:14.900and then they formulate a community-based solution or response to those problems and this can be
02:27:20.320everything from a neighborhood watch to fight crime, planting trees, cutting grass, filling
02:27:28.620potholes, maintaining infrastructure, addressing problems like water quality and electricity supply
02:27:35.140in their community. And just one last point on the neighborhood watches. I think when I name
02:27:42.120the neighborhood watches, Americans always get this Americanized vision of the grandmother with
02:27:48.200her pepper spray but this is not your grandmother's neighborhood watch these are well-armed well-trained
02:27:53.280members of their community that can go up against organized crime but all within the confines of the
02:27:58.600law they're not like vigilante groups that are just doing what they want judge jury and executioner
02:28:04.240they often work well side by side with local police um to fight against uh the the crime that
02:28:10.920we see so that's are you getting support from local police as well yeah so that's the strange
02:28:16.600paradox in south africa is that on the top level the national government is where all the friction
02:28:21.640is coming from and all the antagonism is coming from from the korea politicians but the local
02:28:26.520police sergeant or the head of the local police station is just overwhelmed by crime and he sees
02:28:32.120a neighborhood watch brought up saying we are going to help clean up this community and fight
02:28:37.480crime in this community free of charge all just volunteer based we've never encountered a local
02:28:43.400police station that have said like no we don't want your help we don't want your assistance we've
02:28:47.640got the situation under control they're all just very happy for the help because they're also just
02:28:52.920normal non-non-ideological people the real problem and the real friction and opposition comes in from
02:28:59.720the ideologues at the top level from the anc and the national government because they've got an
02:29:05.320ideological agenda their priority is not solving problems like crime in a community that's something
02:29:11.160we've seen replicate somewhat uh in north america where you know you have your narratives that are
02:29:17.240driven by the bureaucratic elite and the managerial state but when you have these white advocacy
02:29:23.560groups on the ground in small towns in cities they seem to get the most support from the people no
02:29:29.800problems with the police because everyone you know that silent majority is also hoping that someone
02:29:37.080steps and and i was wondering you mentioned very very impressive numbers something around 300 000
02:29:42.360um and i you know without getting too deep into the numbers do you think and just based on the
02:29:48.120growth patterns do you think maybe 300 000 is kind of the plateau or the ceiling do you think there's
02:29:54.120an opportunity to get 100 of the the white population or do you think you know realistically
02:30:01.160is it a third that that'll go along with this and support it what do you think there's many
02:30:07.180yeah there's many limiting factors i think 300 000 is pretty much some sort of plateau because
02:30:14.500we've been there for a long time now after experiencing very rapid growth and i think
02:30:19.320that's because well firstly you only when your membership is based on an actual donation and
02:30:25.980not just clicking a button. It means that there's only usually one member per family. So for example,
02:30:32.800the father of the family would be an AfriForum donating member, but his wife and his children
02:30:37.260would not be donating members. Or the wife would be a member, but the father and the children
02:30:43.080would not. So it's actually more accurate to talk about 300,000 families rather than 300,000
02:30:49.280individuals, because you don't really see an entire family of AfriForum members, because then
02:30:55.660that would be like four or five donation donating members i don't think a lot of people have the
02:31:01.100finances to do that so i it's always usually one member of the family donating to the cause so
02:31:07.420that i think 300 000 needs to be seen in in that collective context how many people that then
02:31:14.060actually represents i don't know well we did a the funny thing is last year there's this left-wing
02:31:21.100afrikaner organization with no support they've just like some little fringe because afrikaners
02:31:26.380are not very left-wing at all in general afrikaners are very conservative and but there's this fringe
02:31:32.540left-wing afrikaner group and they did a a poll like a representative poll among afrikaners because
02:31:39.100they wanted to prove that afri forum and the solidarity movement are the fringe group and
02:31:43.180they don't get mass support amongst afrikaners and 85 of the people polled said they they have
02:31:49.260a positive view of afro forum and the solidarity movement in a poll commissioned by a left-wing
02:31:54.700organization that and honestly looking at the sites and just trying to give people a tour of
02:32:01.360what afro forum represents i think they and you have done a remarkable job of accomplishing what
02:32:07.760i think a lot not all but some groups over here seem to struggle with which is you and it's part
02:32:13.520partly problem scale but you're actually in the streets provide i would say even a parallel
02:32:19.760society organization that we are filling the void we are going to step in we're providing security
02:32:26.020we're cleaning we're doing disaster relief we're offering opportunities whereas many other groups
02:32:32.480and some of them should be doing this but they are just vocally opposed to a specific group or
02:32:39.240a specific problem they're just trying to you know whip up public sentiment but you're you're
02:32:43.860proposing solutions and i think you know it would be foolish for anyone to really what what's a
02:32:50.340left-wing organization doing and realistically that's where the left over here has made great
02:32:56.820strides compared to us and i covered this with um uh someone i interviewed recently who was
02:33:02.960previously in the in the same environment as antifa and showing like what do they do what
02:33:10.380does the leftist do over here well they actually do they offer food they they're they're in
02:33:14.800neighborhoods offering support legal support whatever might be that's something that we just
02:33:18.920don't do now they're not pushing all of their energy into just going viral on x and posting
02:33:23.920a banger there that gets a million views yeah and it's very very difficult to do what after
02:33:29.000forum does but anything unfortunately we are sorry to interrupt no no i'm just uh i just want to make
02:33:35.220sure that this this point is emphasized because it's so important there's this what i've learned
02:33:40.860i've been working for afri forum for seven years now and what i've increasingly learned is is a
02:33:46.300very bitter pill to swallow for a lot of online people and that is online activism and real world
02:33:52.420building and activism have the same relationship as dream time and real world time so we've all
02:33:58.420experience that where you have like a, you just slip into a five minute nap and you wake up and
02:34:03.260you've lived like an entire lifetime in that dream. But then you realize just five minutes
02:34:08.340of real world time has passed. But I think the same relationship happens with real world and
02:34:13.340online activism. Getting a million people to like a certain post or share a post online has the same
02:34:21.100effect as getting a thousand people to show up to a protest. And the best example of that was
02:34:26.120actually recently, I think, the best case study of that. So Elon Musk shared our documentary last
02:34:32.780year on South Africa, and it got about 43 million views. And from that 43 million views, I think we
02:34:40.280got about 10 new donations to AfriForum. And hard to believe, but I mean, that's how this stuff
02:34:48.500works. But when I visit a small town and do a presentation there in the town hall, everyone is
02:34:54.020there coming to listen to me explain how AfriForum is going to solve their local problems, I sign
02:35:00.200up 20 to 30 new members just there, but I'm visiting a town of like 3,000 people. But when
02:35:05.420Elon Musk shares our post and gets 43 million impressions, almost the population of South
02:35:11.300Africa, we only get like 10 new donating members. So that's the relationship that people online
02:35:18.840need to realize is that online activism is not worthless but it's a lot less worth than a lot
02:35:24.120of people think unfortunately i'm very happy you mentioned that because this is something that
02:35:29.400we return to more frequently recently because we've started doing more events here in canada
02:35:36.280hosting large speaking engagements and getaways and excursions and of course very difficult to do
02:35:43.480hosting a town hall is is no joke but you know it's it's like we've seen the exact same thing
02:35:53.320where you will have a banger post something that goes viral something that's
02:35:58.120promoted very very widely and if you drill down into the numbers i'm glad you shared that because
02:36:03.880most people don't most people want to lie about this stuff or they they love the vanity metrics
02:36:09.240i work in marketing so we use that terminology it's like yeah a lot of views how do those views
02:36:14.440translate what is a view worth so you followed it all the way to the bottom to the actual money it
02:36:19.960turns out it doesn't matter and you're not alone it has nothing to do with the with what afroform
02:36:25.080represents or the documentary or anything that's just the the way it goes over there and you can
02:36:30.120see this with other creators as well they have a big big audience but they can't get that audience
02:36:36.920to show up to see them speak perform or do some kind of engagement and talking millions of you
02:36:44.600know how many people actually show up to see candace owens maybe a bad example because she's
02:36:48.360somewhat sensational but there's people with millions of views where they can't fill out a room
02:36:52.840you know where it's so it doesn't matter and i try to express that to people it's better to have
02:36:58.120a smaller dedicated audience of people who show up support you vocally monetarily and so you you
02:37:05.400You doing that actual work, I think there's people who are just learning that now.
02:37:09.660Having a room of, I don't care, 50 people is worth so much more than a post with 500,000 views.
02:37:24.720And I mean, this is where AfriForum and the Solidarity Movement comes in.
02:37:27.800there's so many case studies in South Africa in that post-1994 era, where I call it the mass
02:37:34.380extinction event that happened amongst Afrikaner organizations. There were so many Afrikaner
02:37:39.160organizations saying, and this is now that apartheid's ended, this is how we're going to
02:37:43.320ensure a future for our culture and for our language in South Africa. And some of these
02:37:48.640movements or organizations got like 500,000 likes on Facebook, massive interaction, really went
02:37:55.360viral and then when they actually had to do something like produce the goods nothing happened
02:38:01.860and that's what where i think a lot of afri forum and the solidarity movement support comes from
02:38:06.920is because we're one of the few organizations or networks that were able to for a lack of a better
02:38:12.560term produce the goods the past 30 years actually saying when we are when we promise we're going to
02:38:18.140do x we do x so i've only been talking about afri forum i don't want to overload your audience with
02:38:24.240information. But AfriForum is just one component of what we call the solidarity movement. And the
02:38:29.780solidarity movement is a network of over 50 different institutions and organizations,
02:38:35.460all specializing in a different facet of ensuring a future for Afrikaners in South Africa. So
02:38:41.720just to name a few, Solidaritate, the labor union, represents Afrikaners in the workplace.
02:38:47.660academia is our private university for which we're building a new 3.2 billion rand campus now outside
02:38:54.800of pretoria salt tech is our trades college that we built because we realized if we're going to be
02:39:00.840building a future you're going to need plumbers and electricians and builders and people that can
02:39:05.180build so we started our own uh afrikaans uh technical college salt tech um that we crowdfunded
02:39:13.780And we can get into how we did that if you want.
02:39:16.660Then we also have Help in the Hunt, Solidarity Tate Helping Hand, which is our welfare organization, which is a welfare alternative to state welfare for Afrikaners in need.
02:39:26.920Then we also have Kanton, our property development company.
02:39:32.540We also have Marula Media, our media house.
02:39:36.600SOS, school support network for Afrikaner children that are going to school.
02:39:41.900That's just seven out of the 50 different organizations, all focusing on something different. I refer to everyone in those organizations as my colleagues, even though I work just for one, AfriForum, the community organization wing of this network.
02:39:57.620But that's how we get stuff done. The Solidarity Movement does this through building this network of specializing organizations all outside of party politics. And I mean, yeah, if you want to get into how we are building universities and technical colleges, we can get into that as well.
02:40:18.040Yes, very much so. Because, you know, as I was doing my research out of this, I had seen mention of a proper technical college. And you're, you've expanded and by you, I mean, the solidarity movement generally is expanded in every direction that I think we talk about over here. We talked about all these groups that we just the other day, someone was saying that we need a organization that basically it's a wealth organization or an insurance organization is just for us.
02:40:46.980and we're at such an early stage people are just beginning to get their arms around just the idea
02:40:54.020but there's not really any movement in that direction but i would love to hear about the
02:40:58.920technical college because you had said i'd read that it was a highly impressive technical college
02:41:05.100as well and what was the name of that again it's called soltech s-o-l-tech t-e-c-h um and the
02:41:13.180campus was built in 2020. So the campus was particularly, was specifically built using
02:41:20.900donations. So what Solidaritate, the labor union that we've discussed did, was they have about
02:41:26.560200,000 members at the time. And they asked their 200,000 members, you're currently paying a
02:41:32.140membership fee to be part of this labor union, but are you willing to put 10 rand extra at the end
02:41:38.240of the month on top of your membership fee, 10 rand, which is about 50 cents extra. And this
02:41:47.300all goes into what we call a bow forms, a building fund. And this building fund is then going to be
02:41:52.620invested and grown and grown until we have enough that we can build a campus for our technical
02:41:59.300students, a technical college campus. And so Soltech already existed as an institution, but it
02:42:05.360It was renting its campus or its facilities,
02:42:10.520but then using the money that we crowdfunded
02:42:13.400through that building fund, we built this campus.
02:42:16.540It was finished in the year 2020 under budget and under time.
02:59:26.300This death or this murder or this tragedy,
02:59:29.080this is now going to shock people and this is going to make a difference.
02:59:32.500And it never does because it never translates into real action.
02:59:37.740I mean, I'm getting so frustrated by seeing these constant takes of whether it's that girl with the axe and the knife holding it up in Scotland.
03:00:32.320The only thing that's going to define, they're going to determine whether this has any impact on the world is how you respond to this tragedy.