01:24:26.440You can't even bank on white supremacists to put forth the supremacy of white people.1.00
01:24:33.440The Jewish cabal argument is also bizarre because they're saying, like, look, you shouldn't attack the Muslims because the Muslims are just the weapon of the Jew.0.96
01:24:41.540So, OK, so you're saying that I shouldn't act to disarm the Jew of his primary weapon.0.52
01:24:46.500i should just attack the holder of the weapon but it's totally immoral for me to attack the1.00
01:24:51.380weapon when the weapon is a person like no don't hurt him he's just working for the enemy
01:24:56.080you're in a sword fight right now and he's lunging at you with a sword what they're telling
01:25:02.840you is like don't pay attention to the sword actually you should start to swing at his head
01:33:19.520listen to this guy one of these days I'm going to be wrong
01:33:21.560and when that day comes we're all gonna regret it we're all gonna but it's also gonna be something
01:33:26.840utterly inconsequential yeah like i was wrong about a guy yeah do we need another guy we're
01:33:32.520gonna kill a guy and find out that he's like it was actually a pretty cool dude oh man i mean0.68
01:33:38.040also being killed is a cool way to go that's true you know what that's true like mad if he wasn't0.98
01:33:44.840killed then he dies of alzheimer's yeah doing him a favor frankly i i went on a spiral of despair
01:33:52.840recently and i started watching alzheimer's documentaries don't don't don't don't why don't
01:33:57.800do that yeah i was watching one with louis theroux it's in like houston or something it's like the
01:34:03.800biggest dementia ward in america and you're seeing guys in there that are 50. yeah gone
01:34:09.720like young young people and i'm like oh no i can't i start freaking out yeah yeah because it hits you
01:34:18.000fast like you find alzheimer's like yeah maybe like uh two years and you're just a a blabbering
01:34:24.120mess and you hear the spouses they're like okay i don't have enough money to keep them here like
01:34:30.420they they i they need 100 round-the-clock care 100 around-the-clock care and i can't do that
01:34:36.360because i need to support our kids so i think i need to divorce them so they become a ward of the0.69
01:34:41.840state that is dark right like i i i love them but i need to make them a ward of the state and put0.98
01:34:49.880them somewhere otherwise and i think they're they're so far gone they're just saying they're
01:34:55.260babbling i mean is that darker than made i think made would look if it were me i would sign a0.96
01:35:01.460waiver before i got alzheimer's just saying like fucking made me dude what i would do i thought0.88
01:35:06.900about this and i'm gonna get my wife to sign it that it's gonna be like made but if i don't have0.98
01:35:13.620all my faculties you need to arrange a suicide by cop like you're just in a wheelchair babbling
01:35:22.860she rolls you down a hill towards a police station i don't know what i'm doing just like1.00
01:35:26.680strap a bomb like put them in a situation where they have to kill me yeah like and tape my trigger0.88
01:35:33.140finger you get a mechanism judas will help with this he's gonna he's really handy with this stuff0.99
01:35:37.500just a trigger mechanism as i'm drooling she'll do it yeah strap a bomb to your chest and it's0.84
01:35:44.200got a yak back on it it's got a recording that it's intermittently says it's okay to be white0.56
01:35:49.800and they just start shooting at you it's a yak bag where it can play backwards too it's okay
01:35:55.760to be white and just it's okay to be white all right so i don't know if this has been a good0.90
01:36:07.360episode it was great this was a great ripping on everybody and talking some black belt it's okay0.87
01:36:13.920yeah i gotta talk about a book though yeah do you want them yeah let's go this is kind of building0.99
01:36:22.640off of the epstein one i really like the past two epstein ones we did but we're going to be
01:36:27.920leaning into real strange territory in the near future on hermeneutics and the nature of knowledge
01:36:34.800itself and information and the crisis of intersubjectivity and things like that but i
01:36:43.600found this really interesting book titled identity and control how social formations emerge by harrison
01:36:51.760see why i believe this would have been recommended by the book club who we interviewed on the show
01:36:57.900not long ago they've always got some great books about the nature of um just what identity is and
01:37:04.460not a psychoanalytical view although that factors into it quite a bit but you know the dimensions
01:37:12.440like what an identity actually is and how they form it's so weird switching gears to this after
01:37:18.940the last thing we were talking about like i'm so fired up about just like complaining about
01:37:23.900these celebs i'm like okay let's talk about uh we're talking about identity we're talking about
01:37:29.340groups like i'm just i got i gotta rejigger my brain here i really like this book because
01:37:39.100it's like when we read that book um experiences in groups about and i believe you were even reading
01:37:45.980this independently recently but the difference between a basic assumption group and a work group
01:37:50.460like what what is the nate like what is this thing called identity we know the components
01:37:56.240of identity but it's not singular and i think people look at it from a very 19th century
01:38:02.700ideological perspective whereas i prefer the martin gurry publics example which is that each
01:38:10.360individual is aligned with a lot of different identities you know there's there's your ethnic
01:38:17.440and then there's your racial then there's your identities affiliation and your job and all kinds
01:38:22.700of stuff especially because everything is politicized now it's almost like there's nothing
01:38:27.260you can engage with in society that does not create an identity which is interesting unto itself
01:38:34.540you know you can't just you can't just have a hobby you're you're that thing you're a gamer
01:38:39.980for example or you're some kind of hobbyist as an identity and you're just stacking these
01:38:45.480but he starts off here and he says an identity emerges for each of us only out of efforts at
01:38:53.160control amid contingencies and contentions in interaction these control efforts need not have
01:38:59.840anything to do with domination over other identities before anything else control is
01:39:05.620about finding footings among other identities such footing is a position that entails a stance which
01:39:10.880brings orientation in relation to other identities the control efforts by one identity are social
01:39:16.220realities for other identities so this identity can be perceived by others as having an unproblematic
01:39:21.860continuity in social footing even though it's adding through its contingent with other
01:39:26.540contingencies they face so you might have noticed this is written in a really strange way because
01:39:32.000it's not the easiest book to read it's not going to be the easiest book to recite but i'm going to
01:39:38.760hopefully add a bit of clarity here basically what he's saying and this is sort of the arc of
01:39:43.200the entire book is that like identities emerge when you enter into conflict with some something
01:39:50.420else another person like you kind of kind of like define yourself in relation to other people
01:39:56.360and negotiate relationships and that that's kind of identities emerge as a form of control
01:40:03.440in social situations which is kind of an interesting way of looking at it like would
01:40:08.780you even have an identity as we know it in a vacuum and that's something that people would
01:40:15.340have pointed to for ancient uh our ancient ancestors they would say like they wouldn't
01:40:20.960have conceptualized themselves as all these different things you know they might have known
01:40:25.520that they were a christian but even then christian was like an innovation if you were
01:40:29.820if you were a pagan you didn't think of yourself as a pagan that's sort of a post-hoc rationalization
01:40:36.240paganism is just this bucket we put all these folk religions into i tend to see pagan as a
01:40:41.260pejorative in fact i don't even like saying pagan there was all these familial cults and regional
01:40:47.100religions and belief systems but you wouldn't understand yourself as like that's your title
01:40:53.460i'm a believer of this regional that's just something you did so but you start to see
01:40:59.060identities emerge when you come into conflict with other tribes and you start to define the
01:41:05.380other then it then you become aware of how you're different then you start kind of attaching labels
01:41:10.020to it and trying to define yourself so you can engage with them and it's just this like weird
01:41:16.740sort of transaction that you engage in and it lives in the conflict but as a form of control
01:41:22.500between two individuals or two groups i think that's how he would look at it he goes on here
01:41:28.180he says affirm a community a crowd oneself on the tennis court encounters of strangers on the
01:41:34.660sidewalk each may be identities identity here is not restricted to our everyday notion of person
01:41:41.060or self which takes for granted consciousness and integration and presupposes personality instead
01:41:47.220I generalize identity to any source of action, any entity which observers can attribute meaning.
01:41:55.320I claim that all scopes and scales of social process induce themselves in some such fashion as the following.
01:42:02.420Identities trigger out of events, that is to say, out of switches in surroundings, seeking control over uncertainty and thus over fellow identities.
01:42:11.720identities build and articulate ties to other identities in network domains or net dumbs for
01:42:18.320short however net dumbs themselves remain subject to interruption from further switching with
01:42:24.400attendant net dumbs and what he does throughout the the course of the book is he broadens the
01:42:30.200scope more and more and more and more so he starts off with here's two individuals negotiating like
01:42:36.380an identity or each identity then he sort of collectivizes them like how do people behave
01:42:41.140in a group or a firm or a crowd and then like what is a collection of identities known as like
01:42:46.820here's your identity and then there's the identity of the group what does that look like and how did
01:42:51.620those cluster and then then like the the conflict is known as a switch like he's creating this entire
01:42:58.740social system and sort of like spatializing it and visualizing it in fact like here's how human
01:43:06.180beings interact and i thought that was was really interesting it's like when we were reading of the
01:43:11.220square in the tower by niall ferguson and he was showing the map of the enlightenment and he could
01:43:16.660show the map of the enlightenment by just tracking the letters between certain authors and certain
01:43:23.140you know thinkers intellectuals of the time so you can like here's the map of of what the
01:43:28.700enlightenment was and it's actually like an information flow like a like a strange schema
01:43:33.600like that and like it's it's interesting to visualize stuff like that but you can you can
01:43:38.560like visualize how identities form which which would kind of be easier to do these days with
01:43:45.060social media um anyway is anything i'm saying makes sense right now yes yes i'm a big fan of
01:43:52.440the identity through conflict thing just as a concept so i'm glad that we're getting some pieces
01:43:57.720of that yeah because i was relating this to our previous coverage of epstein been talking about
01:44:04.680like what are elites you know people tend to think of elites in a very every like bourgeois way
01:44:12.120and i don't like the name bourgeois because you know we covered the history of the bourgeoisie
01:44:18.360with um a transformation of the public sphere i believe was the name of the book very very good
01:44:24.520book but um like that just means like rich people or like a cabal of controllers but when elites are
01:44:34.100like groups within subgroups and their relationship is a lot more dynamic than you would think from
01:44:40.100the outside so i like breaking it down like what what are the intra-elite conflicts what are these
01:44:45.620dynastic families really doing are they really aligned on anything i just read an article about
01:44:52.800But let me see if I can just pull this up quickly.
01:44:56.540Yeah, apparently Peter Thiel has a secret society known as a Dialogue.
01:45:04.760Dialogue is a private invitation-only network co-founded in 2006 by Thiel and Oren Hoffman.
01:45:13.180The organization holds off-the-record summits for powerful figures in the world's politics, finance, military, celebrity, and tech.0.98
01:45:20.160so some hacker looking to be a tranny hacker by the way hate to say it but look at that0.96
01:45:26.500that that's that's that's that's unfortunate but makes sense i guess but if you look at the0.76
01:45:35.940guests to this uh you get ted cruz u.s treasury secretary scott bessett uh google and google0.85
01:45:45.980deep mind executives but also joseph gordon levin and josh brolin what the fuck is josh brolin0.90
01:45:52.620fucking just actor just showing up mr sicario like i'd love the idea you've got oil executives0.97
01:46:04.340you've got the leaders of military tech and then joseph gordon levin just the actors and no one's0.98
01:46:10.380heard of in a while by the way and also brian johnson's there trying to talk about injecting
01:46:18.060his eyes with his son's semen whatever whatever it is he's up to you know anyway point being that
01:46:23.500the ecosystems that these elites inhabit is really strange like that's just one of these0.73
01:46:30.800secret societies there's dozens of them around the world i'm sure and i was just fascinated with
01:46:36.620what identities they believe that they have because they might be as some claim beyond
01:46:43.740religion you know they're not dictated by ideology perhaps but they're driven by something
01:46:49.360yeah right they're they are driven by identities and negotiating along those lines they have to
01:46:55.860like does elon must like get along with people so i'm just interested in that and it's very easy to
01:47:02.560at this in a traditional way saying it's like well people are you know religion plus family
01:47:08.400plus economic class and like that doesn't work for me anymore that doesn't work for me the 21st
01:47:13.200century you know it's very reductive but that's how but some people find that comforting some
01:47:19.040for some people that's how they view themselves we talked about the guy in the chat the guy who
01:47:24.720could have been a bot based gentile that could have been a real person that's a man that defines
01:47:30.480his entire personality on being a national socialist that's it that's a hundred percent
01:47:36.640of who he is and so he might as well be an indian llm there's no depth to anything he says0.60
01:47:44.080it's you can predict whatever he's going to say because he is this pack he's out of
01:47:48.320out of the box off the rack he just he wiped his slate clean and just put in a bunch of stuff he
01:47:54.240read but like people if that's a comforting thing to be it's comforting to be a drone but i don't
01:48:02.120think most people are especially effective people especially people who matter and the unfortunate
01:48:07.300thing is like the story of jeffrey epstein is a story of just one of these little ecosystems
01:48:12.460that kind of doesn't make sense from the outside but if you just view it as like it's elites being
01:48:18.120elites like i guess but i want to understand like the identities in play here and how they
01:48:23.960overlap yeah i don't know if that makes any sense but he goes on here he says social organization
01:48:29.940is a byproduct of the multiplication and the accumulation of these processes in control
01:48:35.240which inversely shape how identities result from social process the connections may be quite
01:48:40.960obscure as in reshufflings of careers resulting from patterns of switchings and jobs social
01:48:47.760organization has two faces blockage and allowance of fresh action the blockage can come from
01:48:53.580intermeshing of identities despite some latitude, some decoupling. My central claim entails that
01:49:00.560the lives of these identities are stochastic flows over time, whose primary shapers and
01:49:07.600switchers come from the others, not just in the local detail, but also as overall patterns and
01:49:12.760dynamics as co-constituated context so again that that that's that's a mouthful but you start to
01:49:24.520view identities not even as something not even something that you hold inside of you when people
01:49:30.780think of identity like that's how i am but he's almost describing it as more transactional and
01:49:35.740then once you describe it as a transaction it becomes this other force entirely and again like
01:49:42.380this is something that i found so illuminating by giving being given access to any form of data
01:49:51.640about how people behave online like you can map people based on their identities and affiliations
01:49:58.420which is a really crazy idea which is you know people in the 20th century understood what
01:50:03.320statistics are but they understood it as graphs as broken line charts and and bar graphs and
01:50:10.260piegrass and whatnot but the idea of being able to spatialize the movements of entire identities
01:50:16.280and communities in like a 3d space that represents a social network is pretty fucking wild and then
01:50:23.520you begin to you know in a very richard dawkins way view it as an organism unto itself anyway the
01:50:29.580point is that once you start viewing identities as things that can be triggered by interactions
01:50:36.160is like it's not even something that you have it's something that's always defined by the other
01:50:43.060even the others within your group like you don't define your group identity the group defines it
01:50:48.520but then also whoever it is you're talking to kind of defines your identity as well yeah and
01:50:53.400you're just reactive and that's interesting isn't it yeah yeah there was another book i think we
01:50:58.660discussed it's the same idea that like you you essentially only exist in the mind of other
01:51:03.100people but i forget we've talked about this before it's it's not a it's not a new idea
01:51:07.440yeah yeah and and this is going to be a very academic sounding one but this is going to lead
01:51:13.280into some other stuff the next few episodes he says identity for a human begins as and from a
01:51:20.220primordial and continuing urge to control so again that's the main the the core of the idea here that
01:51:28.380everything identity and control are the same thing if you leave with one idea let that be it
01:51:35.020we form identity as a way to control ourselves but mainly others for example a new child on a
01:51:44.360playground has an overriding need to find some sort of stable social footing so that the child
01:51:49.460can know how to act in an otherwise chaotic social world this is not necessarily a harsh struggle
01:51:55.220over status and rank. Only occasionally does this lead to bullying on the
01:51:59.380playground. Identity in the first sense is
01:52:03.260the expression in social context of the same urge for secure footing
01:52:07.200that in physical settings induces behavioral patterns of posture
01:52:10.880such as leaning forward when climbing stairs, things like that.
01:52:15.240Identity with a second more elaborate and quite distinct sense
01:52:19.320occurs apart from networks. This sense is akin to face.
01:52:23.380it is identity achieved and expressed and operationalized as part of some distinct
01:52:28.700social grouping in which each member has faced just because it is a social face one of a
01:52:33.900differentiated set of faces that together make up a grouping this tension between identity and
01:52:39.900control can be seen as conformity versus creativity that's interesting so you know we got the one
01:52:45.740instance of the individual trying to find their social footing as a new person in a new environment
01:52:50.940then there's like the set of identities that you have to take as a group and and but those
01:52:58.080still live within you and i think people struggle with that like they have dreams
01:53:02.180as we said of the the man who would have been a bot like you know someone who just wants to
01:53:12.420subsume themselves in the community into an identity that is not their own because it's
01:53:16.840comfortable and so you don't you almost lose that inner voice you lose that inwardness there's still
01:53:21.500a part of you that is aware that's trying to find its way in the world but if you submit yourself
01:53:26.160completely it's like becoming a slave in a cult scenario or a plantation or anywhere and but
01:53:34.380there's a lot of people i think that really want to just enslave themselves to these identities
01:53:41.760they find online especially if you're young you can't really do it as easily when you're older
01:53:49.040it's very hard to it becomes very hard to fool an older person and then becomes very very easy to
01:53:55.440fool them i'm really hard to fool now and then days will come when i'm the most easily fooled
01:54:03.280person on earth um it says my general claim makes moves analogous to three moves made by physical
01:54:12.640science in supplanting aristotle and his insistent common sense the first key move was to divorce
01:54:19.780force from momentum force from momentum so that unchanging momentum signifies no force
01:54:26.220the common sense reality of frictions is set aside in order to achieve analytic power
01:54:31.300Coupled to that, the second move was abstracting from particular objects to universals, point masses, and the like.
01:54:39.160The analogous moves in sociology are to switching as to momentum force and to identities as the actors.
01:54:45.360The third key move was the later explicit development of Cartesian space, completely parameterized space as the setting.
01:54:54.320This allowed physics problems to become formulated analytically, subject only to boundary conditions.
01:55:00.560the analog being developed for social process is networks a distinct new sort of friable
01:55:07.460multi-dimensional space with which a new and friable constitution of interpretive social time
01:55:13.260can be interwoven so just what he's talking about there is sort of the scientific development of how
01:55:18.760we understand how people relate to each other and we're going to get into this in a later
01:55:24.880a later book about the changing nature of knowledge and you'll find this really interesting
01:55:31.100i'll kind of just introduce some of it now um in the modern era we have a different
01:55:37.640conceptualization of what knowledge is so traditionally knowledge was something that
01:55:42.920was passed down from someone who had it to someone who didn't have it through training
01:55:48.300through some kind of exchange right that's like the mentor mentee thing that's the master and
01:55:54.320the apprentice knowledge is something you imparted and like almost like a spirit it transferred from
01:56:00.860one to the other and then something happened perhaps not with the scientific revolution but
01:56:06.840later certainly the statistic that knowledge became a commodity knowledge was this free-floating
01:56:12.840standalone thing you know as an object you can have knowledge there's knowledge over here that
01:56:18.740you can get right it wasn't something that could only be bequeathed to you through training and
01:56:23.840then you have it because it was like implanted there's just something you could find you can
01:56:27.860pluck from the air right so like the separation of knowledge into in a sense capital right
01:56:34.440that's kind of what he's talking about here like our understanding of relationships was one way
01:56:40.160it was between groups and individuals but now and this we really haven't reconciled with this yet
01:56:48.180idea that we can as i was describing before create this cartesian space to show people as nodes and
01:56:56.500add a color and show how they relate and show like the flow of information and the heat map of0.54
01:57:02.740relationships and all this fucked up stuff that just views human interaction in a way that it0.63
01:57:09.460never was before and if you view human interaction that way can you even have human interaction like
01:57:15.780you did before and this is a problem we always run into with psychoanalysis it's a frequent problem
01:57:23.140for people who are dating right now if you're in the dating market how often do women hell how many
01:57:28.420times do men try psychoanalyze themselves and you on a first date they're using the the rhetoric and
01:57:36.100terminology of the psychoanalytic movement without even knowing it right and so like but you cannot
01:57:42.660exit that frame that's the problem you know you can't i don't even think younger generations know
01:57:48.380how to engage with each other without some level of psychoanalysis going on trying to talk about0.95
01:57:55.580unresolved trauma this and you know i mean like fucking everyone's got some addiction they're0.82
01:58:01.860trying to diagnose someone else so anyway it's a run of us trying to like return to an earlier0.62
01:58:08.540point of relationships like we can't even do that we know too much even if it's even if it's true
01:58:15.020or untrue it's just the our understanding our spatialization or visualization of our relationships
01:58:22.460is just it's disenchanted you know like it almost prevents us from ever really engaging with people
01:58:30.380at the level that our ancestors would anyway bringing everyone down i know we gotta move
01:58:35.180along i haven't gotten too much here he says he says the five senses of identity the first sense
01:58:43.180is identity at the smallest unit of analysis persons consists of a bundle of these identities
01:58:49.820when this form of identity finds footing one could replace the word identity with positions
01:58:55.420in a nectum the second sense is connected is a connected bunch of these first sense identities
01:59:01.820It exists only where the first sense identities found footings and are thus object and subject of the attribution of meaning.
01:59:09.320The third sense is a trace of different identities from different neptoms.
01:59:12.860This identity is a report of, for example, a human being switching from neptom to neptom over time.
01:59:19.240It's a pathway a person, entity, or place takes through social time.
01:59:24.200If we could graphically sum up time as well as domain layers, we could see this third sense of identity.
01:59:29.200The fourth sense of identity is the interpretation of the third sense.
01:59:33.240If a person looks back on the net terms of identity he switched into and out to and embeds this pathway in meaning, he produces a fourth sense of identity.
02:01:20.600identity to be because if you think it's one you're wrong and if you can start to think
02:01:26.800more carefully about how you came to these identities be aware of them and how you negotiate
02:01:35.240them and how many of your identity what you believe to be your identity is to be now or one
02:01:41.720of them is because you're reacting to someone else right like how many we gave some examples
02:01:48.260in this very episode of individuals i think their entire identity is reactionary
02:01:54.180you know a lot of these like like far-right individuals which is funny to say because
02:01:58.180the whole point to this is that all identity is reactionary it is but but it's like it's it's more
02:02:03.860at a certain point like you said at this higher level at these higher senses you have an awareness
02:02:10.100of your past identities and how you got there like you can't get to higher levels but they're
02:02:14.500stuck at a lower level where like they don't understand how reactionary they are not conscious
02:02:20.020of their own identity they're always trying to find their footing they never feel like that they
02:02:24.180can step out of that right and so and they just sort of like bounce around reactionary and so
02:02:30.820they never because they never get a footing they never have any real values or principles
02:02:37.780like some of these guys you meet is like they just really hate jews and so their entire identity is0.95
02:02:45.900doing the opposite of what jews do right even if it kind of seems incoherent like if jews start0.91
02:02:53.560you know hating or the jews start loving white people they'll hate white people0.95
02:02:58.800you see what i'm saying like if whatever it is that they their only identity is doing the 1800.93
02:03:05.140degree opposite of that i'm like well then completely reactionary then you don't really
02:03:08.580have an identity but you that means you never have your footing so you can never even build
02:03:13.060an identity from that yeah yeah so he says i will argue that there's yet another fifth sense of
02:03:19.860identity with a very different scope it's a dynamic self-reproducing amalgam across profiles of
02:03:25.460switches in the first four sorts of mismatch the fifth kind is on a distinct level that analytically
02:03:31.380is still more embracing than any other level of discipline so
02:03:35.300he goes on here i'm just going to give a few more comments i know we gotta get going somebody says
02:03:43.380social networks are traces from dynamics across net dumb switchings as two identities come over
02:03:51.580time to focus control attention upon each other a stymied struggle can settle down into some story
02:03:58.360that marks the tie between them a story is a tie placed in context story structure switchings
02:04:05.000into accounts with the beginning middle and end so story making frames social time that's
02:04:11.540interesting the story of how you met the story of of this relationship or this conflict it's
02:04:18.620interesting a network can be traced as similar stories appear across a spread of dyads these
02:04:24.220These ties are, in an incisive phrase from a guy named Podolny, prisms for meaning as much as they're pipes for connectivity.
02:04:33.540The point is to see how an extreme partisan polarization can come about even within a public, most of whom take moderate stands on most issues.
02:04:42.640The crux of the study's findings is that even with the majority moderate on most issues, the public can sift itself into rather segregated partisan blocks of opinion
02:27:49.180And Jelaine was sort of pimped out by him.
02:27:51.840He ran a publishing empire, and his main rival was Rupert Murdoch.
02:27:57.020And he was, you know, in his magazines, he was always reporting on her and her sexual dalliances and who she was dating.
02:28:06.860And there's this sense that he was pimping her out because he was trying to build this sort of elite network in New York City on behalf of some of the Rothschilds.
02:28:16.100And so there's a sense that he had a very sort of like an iron grip on her.
02:28:21.060Then he passed away, murdered, most likely.
02:59:33.960Like, I think being a father, father should be present.
02:59:37.040And having a father not present does huge damage.1.00
02:59:40.520Well, there are Jewish communities that do this.
02:59:42.400They have two children that they invest in very highly.
02:59:46.540And then they ensure that those two children each have five children.
02:59:49.400And then the next generation has two children. So they have like high investment generations and then lower investment generations, but that can be supplemented with the grandparents. And I think that's very, very smart. We run into big problems. I know so much about this. You want to talk about this? Because I did a stream with academic agent about this.
03:00:09.240we run into huge problems when there are people that are having more children than they can
03:00:14.460handle because it does the quantity matters more than the quality also it's not incumbent on us to
03:00:20.940outbreed our invaders it's never going to happen yes i agree that completely further i tend to
03:00:27.460listen to people who have lived experience with this like if i'm sure you have a lot of people
03:00:32.720in your extended network you've got veterans you've got rich people poor people who can give
03:00:37.520you stories about what it's really like and i've got one guy he's a i believe he's a catholic he
03:00:42.600is catholic i should know this because he's a a guy i work with a lot but he was from a very
03:00:48.360traditional family ton of kids dirt poor but they're doing the bit you know be fruitful and
03:00:53.980multiply but he'll tell you stories of what that was actually like and it's easy to ideologically
03:00:59.960pursue that like we should have as many kids as possible who cares if we're poor who cares like
03:01:04.080But talk to the guy who went through that and talk to the guy who says, I would never do that to my kids.
03:01:09.300Yes. And I know several kids that come from families of five and more where none of the children have had children because as young children, they had so many parental responsibilities because it's just impossible to do.
03:01:23.780I think like you really max out at about five, that that's when things become incredibly difficult to give individual child, an individual child that much attention.
03:01:35.620And then it really falls to the older siblings that just have too much responsibility.
03:01:39.580I mean, I don't know how else you could do it.
03:12:02.680Because you talk about like a Canadian nationalist. What is the Canadian nation? And if you look at the red ensign flag, which is the most popular flag with Canadian nationalists right now within the shield there, there's all the different ethnicities that make up Canada, the foundational ethnicities of which the English and the French are the two dominant ones, but they've never coalesced into a single person.
03:12:23.960And so when you talk about Canadian nationalism, we're talking about sort of just this zone of these distinct peoples that are kind of forced to work together economically to define themselves against the U.S.
03:12:36.140But is that a nation? Is that a people? How would you make a Canadian people? What is a Canadian?
03:12:40.640And there's a sense of what an Anglo-Canadian is. And the French Canadians obviously see themselves as different from the French people from your Parisian, let's say.
03:12:50.260but we were trying to ask like what would an ethnogenesis than 21st century look like
03:12:54.960because i'm sure you've encountered this and other people have encountered this a lot of the
03:12:59.420old heads have encountered this that they are white advocates they are white identitarians
03:13:05.000and all they want to do is advocate on for the interests of white people and they've likely found
03:13:12.580that the primary opponents to that are their own friends and family and ethnic cohort yeah
03:13:19.780There seem to be a lot of white people that are predisposed to their own self-destruction.
03:13:24.700So you realize, and it's easy to become bitter at this, and there's many advocates from the0.55
03:13:31.520white space who end up burned out because they found that their enemies tend to be white
03:13:46.240a lot of the biologists talk about this about how historically especially in britain we've been
03:13:51.440pretty good at separating the wheat from the chaff and executing our criminals we tend to0.53
03:13:56.320we we're a very eugenic people in the sense that we we don't just automatically defend a white0.86
03:14:01.280person if they're behaving in a dysgenic way like blacks do so we tend to think of ourselves as a0.96
03:14:08.720bit more critical we're trying to sort for the best so if you are a white advocate or even0.99
03:14:14.080interest in white survival it may come to pass that you need to pursue some kind of parallel
03:14:19.360society some sort of fraternal movement people are talking about this in the space right now
03:14:24.480you know that's what our ball is doing with return to the land but there's other versions
03:14:27.760of that out there different forms of that and so who are your people yeah and how can you
03:14:34.400you know even with the active club they say tribe and trade find your tribe what is your
03:14:39.520tribe is it all white people or is it a subset of white people and how you define that and so
03:14:43.840So we're trying to say, how could you start a breakaway nation?
03:14:47.760How could you start a parallel society?
03:14:48.500That is the question that needs to be answered.
03:14:50.980That is the most important question in the movement right now.
03:14:53.700And that's what we're trying to address with this.
03:14:56.000And it uses Canada as an example, but you can be an American and view this as well.
03:15:00.660It's just that Canada has certain opportunities presented to it because it's my belief and my understanding that we don't have as developed a security panopticon as you do in the U.S.
03:15:13.720if you're an american and you want to organize anything you have the most competent and robust
03:15:20.120military on earth just around you all the time your government even though the government's very
03:15:25.160very chaotic uh it's very coherent internally canada you know you have like 40 million people
03:15:32.040all spread out we actually don't have a lot of internal force projection in canada you can get
03:15:37.240away with a lot in canada right it's mostly uninhabited and very spread out and there's not
03:15:42.440not a lot of money and and we're dying and we're hemorrhaging money and everyone's broke and so but
03:15:46.820it's like that means that we don't really have a police state so if you want if you wanted to
03:15:52.200pursue something like this you probably could also canada's constitution is designed in such a way
03:16:00.280that you could make a case for actually buying property and starting a breakaway society even0.74
03:16:05.840holy shit are canadians going to do better than americans that's what i'm hearing right now
03:16:09.240because we're not, I don't want to say not as developed,0.99