00:35:26.780But I got in the habit of talking about employment news over the past couple episodes, stuff my wife was experiencing recently.
00:35:35.380Just checking out what's out there in the job market, hearing about, you know, we mentioned the marketplace is flooded because everyone's getting replaced by AI.
00:35:45.580You know, we might talk about that in a second, but a debate I got into.
00:35:50.220But anyway, like Facebook laid off another 30,000 people because they just said, oh, it's going to be AI now.
01:27:31.520I think if I was going to put a pin on Epstein on the map somewhere, he's like an avatar of all of the reasons that we consider Jews to be our existential, civilizational enemies.
01:27:50.700He actually checks essentially every single box.
01:27:54.120So he's important culturally in that sense.
01:27:57.440And also, he saw himself as very Jewish.
01:28:00.260he did every waking moment was how jewish can i be today how can i insert my judaism into this
01:28:06.840interaction with a goy he was always complaining about goys he was always you know what i mean
01:28:12.040like that was central he wasn't walking and he wasn't even that jewish he wasn't like a practicing
01:28:16.300jew that's my point like like it's not like he was some hasidim or something right to him he was
01:28:22.300the distillation of the the modern conniving hand-rubbing world jewry who really just lives
01:28:31.200to fuck kids and ruin people he's a like he's a demon essentially he's a living demon yeah
01:28:38.620and but people he seemed like he'd be kind of annoying to be around too like i don't know
01:28:43.300people look there's some people look he seemed really autistic in the emails like he seemed like
01:28:48.320he's not he's actually not good at talking to people yeah you know what's interesting what
01:28:51.760guys like him and i remember when we were talking about that show succession which you have yet to
01:28:56.740finish and i'm very disappointed moving past that um there's the figure that jeffrey epstein cuts
01:29:04.800when you hear about how he was moving around in the world he's the type of guy he's wearing his
01:29:10.140quarter zip all the time he's wearing you know shorts he's walking around barefoot in his house
01:29:16.520he's very relaxed and that's the sort of aesthetic and you know the sort of aura that a lot of the
01:29:25.260rich guys try and cultivate now and that's what i remember when they were interviewing
01:29:29.380kieran culkin in succession he said one thing you don't notice until you're doing it is that
01:29:36.260these people tend not to wear coats they're so rich they're always just moving between rooms
01:29:40.820or moving from a building to a limo then the limo to a helicopter then a helicopter to private play
01:29:46.100in their private plane to limit. It's like you're never
01:32:38.340He says, I was the only person crazy enough or arrogant enough or misplaced enough to make my limit a billion dollars or more.
01:32:46.640However, it appears that there was much more to the story as the details of Epstein's life from his 81 exit of Bear Stearns up until 86 are murky at best.
01:32:55.600the details that are known about epstein during the period point to something considerably
01:32:59.200different than epstein's own account this is particularly obvious when one considers that
01:33:03.680his formal role as a money manager didn't appear to begin until 88 when he founded jeffrey epstein
01:33:10.400and co so again like his entire past he's got stories about it but he's working at a level
01:33:16.080where there should be more people who knew him more people have stories about him and a more
01:33:22.960robust track record and it just isn't i know someone like eric weinstein has gone so far as
01:33:29.460to say jeffrey epstein's a construct i'm not sure i would go that far but i do think i think he was
01:33:35.120a guy and he was brought into this world and he's not a nobody he's not a pauper he's not a fucking
01:33:42.720street urchin he's obviously a connected wealthy guy probably to the extent that his credentials
01:33:48.380don't actually check out and it's not that he isn't a real guy it's that his credentials are
01:33:52.940hidden he has real credentials but they're not university credentials they're massad
01:33:56.940credentials it's connections to foreign governments yeah yeah and massad comes up a lot in this story
01:34:03.220people um she continues on here says with uh roy cone and uh these other individuals there this
01:34:12.040raises the additional possibility that epstein may have been first exposed to the idea of sexual
01:34:16.480blackmail operations in this period, due his proximity to people like Roy Cohn and Gray
01:34:22.480through this guy named Khashoggi, who was not the Khashoggi that was murdered, but a different
01:34:26.700Khashoggi. Because Roy Cohn, as we learned in the last episode, Donald Trump's mentor,
01:34:34.720of course, he had a long history of blackmail and corruption. He was one of the big proponents
01:34:40.740of sexual blackmail and so he was the same circle as epstein um another possibility is that epstein
01:34:46.980was first exposed to this type of operation through the a potential link to b the bcci which
01:34:52.740is a private bank i believe we mentioned the last one which is the dirtiest bank of them all and was
01:34:58.180also alleged to have been involved in the sex trafficking of minors according to the report
01:35:02.980titled the bcci affair by then u.s senators john kerry and hank brown bcci officials were alleged
01:35:11.140to have obtained leverage over and curried favor with powerful individuals including prominent
01:35:15.860members of the ruling families of the united arab emirates by providing them with young virgins
01:35:21.300many of whom were under the age of 18. so you know during this time jet like this is already going on
01:35:28.180And Jeffrey Epstein appears in this world, knowing these people that were already kind of doing this on an international scale, again, because we're used to all this stuff happening on Jeff Epstein's island.
01:35:40.620But, you know, as we saw in the last episode, the connections go right across the world.
01:35:48.420They go all over the fucking place where stuff like this is happening probably much more easily.
01:35:53.360Now, we get into Lex Wexner again, who I believe we mentioned last time, too.
01:35:57.360He says, according to a Columbus, Ohio police document from the early 90s, numerous Lex Wexner linked entities like the Wexner Investment Company, SNJC Holdings and PFI Leasing shared the same office space and telephone number.
01:41:11.000The foundation's website states that the original purpose of the Wexner Foundation is to assist, quote, emerging professional Jewish leaders in North America and mid-career public officials in Israel.
01:41:24.580Per the website, Wexner's main philanthropic endeavors were created after Wexner reached the conclusion that what the Jewish people needed most at that moment was stronger leadership.
01:41:34.900Throughout the 80s, Wexner was, quote,
01:41:36.700one of the largest individual contributors to the United Jewish Appeal in America.
01:41:42.040And after creating the Wexner Heritage Foundation,
01:41:45.080Wexner became the UGA's vice chairman.
01:41:48.300While Wexner was serving in these capacities,
01:41:50.420he also engaged in closed-door meetings with the highest levels of Israeli leadership,
01:41:55.420not just about philanthropy, but about his business interests.
01:41:59.880One specific meeting saw him meet with a top Israeli government official
01:46:40.860And it's a quote here from Alex Acosta.
01:46:44.100He says, I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone.
01:46:49.620Acosta had reportedly told the Trump administration team.
01:46:52.860It's unclear from Acosta's reported statement exactly what intelligence agency,
01:46:57.800American or foreign Epstein, had been affiliated with and when.
01:47:01.200It's entirely possible that, as Epstein once claimed, he worked for the CIA during a specific period, then later affiliated himself with another intelligence agency, I assume Assad, of course.
01:47:11.720According to former Israeli military intelligence officer Ari Ben-Manash, who she first interviewed in December 2019, Epstein's affiliation with Israeli intelligence dated back to at least the mid-1980s, when Ben-Manash was personally introduced to Epstein by Robert Maxwell.
01:47:31.200so there it is there's the story robert maxwell is in with epstein now he's in this world
01:47:37.960as far back as the 80s maybe even before the 70s per ben benash maxwell introduced epstein as
01:47:44.580having been approved by the higher ups in of israeli intelligence that network where ben
01:47:51.500benash and maxwell were both operating so like there's a lot of this that is shrouded in mystery
01:47:57.740i do want to believe that but i just wish i had more i wish i wish we had more in the early years
01:48:02.920and it's it's troublesome that even now we don't have that maybe it's lurking somewhere in the
01:48:08.260emails but a guy like this can't be a ghost like this you see what i'm saying how is anything about
01:48:15.840epstein murky at in 2020 fucking six yeah i think maybe people don't care but she goes on here it's
01:48:26.640worth noting that during and before this period of Epstein's career, both Israeli and British
01:48:32.340intelligence were already involved in the acquisition of sexual blackmail domestically
01:48:36.680within the United States. Some of the blackmail sources were call services operating in New York
01:48:42.180and Washington that sexually exploited minors. In 1982, the New York State Select Committee on Crime,
01:48:50.180which was investigating all the underage sex around America, saw committee investigator Dale
01:48:54.800Smith revealed that an accountant for several call service operations in Washington, D.C.,
01:49:00.700named Robert Koehler as selling, quote, information on the sexual proclivities of the clients to
01:49:06.400agents of foreign intelligence agencies.
01:49:09.100Two other call service operations were called Brian's Boys and Fantasies Unlimited, which
01:49:15.840operated out of Alexandria, Virginia, and managed by Jonathan C. Reynolds III.
01:49:21.840Reynolds told Smith that he was, quote, selling information out of the call services specifically to, quote, British and Israeli intelligence.
01:49:31.220So, again, outside of Epstein, they've had operations like this all the time.
01:49:37.440And, of course, it seems that the most obvious targets would be pedophiles.
01:49:41.900We need to find the high-ranking pedophiles.
01:49:50.080you know doesn't no one gives a shit about that she goes on here says as previously mentioned the
01:49:55.800specific house that epstein would occupy 971st listed as being the huntington center in columbus
01:50:02.580ohio in 1989 indeed after it was purchased by 90 17 71st street corp wexner appeared to have
01:50:11.160moved into the property despite spending over 13 million dollars to purchase the property
01:50:15.140and at least the same amount on artwork and art deco furnishings and such.
01:50:21.340The refurnishing effort in some reports have been estimated to cost tens of millions of dollars.
01:50:26.140In addition, security devices, including a network of cameras,
01:50:30.620were installed at that time of the residence's refurbishment
01:50:33.600and the oddities of that particular security system
01:50:36.240were described in a New York Times article from 1996.
01:50:41.040There have been considerable speculation that these very cameras
01:50:43.440were used to record footage that was subsequently stored on numerous hard drives and CDs that were
01:50:48.640known to law enforcement, both in the case of Epstein's first run-in with the law and in the
01:50:53.720case of his 2019 arrest. Per the photographs taken at the time of the raid, hard drives were found
01:51:00.480inside a safe forced open by the FBI and numerous large black binders were found in a closet that
01:51:07.620contained CDs carefully categorized in plastic slipcovers and thumbnails with photos on them.
01:51:12.540When shown in court, the homemade labels were redacted as Judge Allison Nathan had ruled they contained identifying information of third parties.
01:51:24.700Now, so again, it's Epstein working with Lex Wexner, working with all these people.
01:51:33.340He's not the one buying the properties they are.
01:51:35.500He's just a guy who moves between them.
01:51:37.720He's just the guy who facilitates all this to happen.
01:51:40.160but there's even more nefarious third parties there's more nefarious people pulling the
01:51:47.000strings of this entire thing that's why early on a lot of people were saying that epstein was just
01:51:52.640like a fall guy you know he was just the the sacrifice they can make but the system that he
01:52:00.100participated in is still there in one form or another of course because the his facilitators
01:52:06.960his owners are way more deeply ingrained with the security apparatus in multiple different countries
01:52:14.400that's why like epstein he's not an idiot right maybe he is i don't think he is but
01:52:24.100he wasn't moving like the smartest guy in the room right he he he was operating like a nepo baby
01:52:33.000in a sense the way he was flaunting money around the way it seemed his favorite thing to do was
01:52:39.520just be in the room with important people and go to parties and hobnob which is kind of a tell that
01:52:45.020he didn't he didn't deserve to be there you know what i mean like everybody said like oh it's weird
01:52:48.860because he didn't have any credentials and nobody knew where he came from yeah because he wasn't
01:52:51.460actually one of you he was actually an interloper and he didn't know how to behave yeah he didn't
01:52:57.100know how to have money like he had he he spent money in weird ways you know he did he was not
01:53:02.040dignified with people like he wasn't raised around it i'm not saying he was poor but i don't know he's
01:53:08.200it was like a 14 year old's version of it's like i bet you have sex parties i'm gonna get rich and
01:53:14.760have sex parties all the time um now we get into jillian maxwell here he says jillian did not escape
01:53:22.520the abuse that was known to befall robert maxwell's other children while brothers kevin and ian were
01:53:28.680well-known to regularly receive tongue lashes from their father jelaine received pre-arranged
01:53:33.980hidings or beatings from her father robert maxwell had firm control over young jelaine's life
01:53:40.000this is particularly true when it came to her love life through her teens and into her time
01:53:44.940in university when he reportedly would ban her boyfriends from the family home and try and keep
01:53:49.680her from being seen with him publicly such behavior could be attributed merely to being
01:53:54.740fatherly he later went into great lengths uh to promote jillane's affairs with certain individuals
01:54:01.580particularly those who inhabited elite circles so and he had a publishing empire at the time this
01:54:06.820was robert maxwell um and we discussed his many imprints in the last one but he kind of switched
01:54:13.140from being protective of his daughter to like being almost singularly responsible for running
01:54:19.120tabloids on who she was sleeping with especially if it benefits some other scheme which would
01:54:24.340imply that he was like pimping her out at that point. This behavior suggested Robert Maxwell
01:54:29.220may have seen Ghislaine's sexuality as a useful tool in growing his influence empire beginning
01:54:34.480when she was quite young. It also may have contributed to Ghislaine's willingness years
01:54:39.980later to sexually exploit and abuse the young women she targeted alongside another man often
01:54:45.560compared to her father, Jeffrey Epstein. During the late 1980s, Robert Maxwell's media empire
01:54:52.780began to falter and he had overextended his finances part of the reason behind his rapid
01:54:57.400and arguably hasty expansion was related to his rivalry with fellow media baron rupert murdoch
01:55:03.500one of these purchases was maxwell's acquisition of maxim uh mcmillian inc where robert pyre
01:55:10.660president of rothschild incorporated had been serving as cheap tactician on maxwell's offensive
01:55:16.320against that particular company it was also reported that maxwell's effort to acquire
01:55:20.800Macmillan was part of a campaign to establish a strategic presence in the United States.
01:55:26.720The Times report notes that although the family staked valuable claims in Africa, the Middle East, and South America,
01:55:32.940they grossly misjudged the opportunities directly across the Atlantic and in the United States.
01:55:38.980It quotes Evelyn de Rothschild as saying,
01:55:42.320We've been in business for 200 years, but we never seized the initiative in America.
01:55:46.120In 1981, the French and British Rothschild cousins determined to rectify their mistaken and appointed Robert Pyre as their agent.
01:55:54.880They tasked him with building a powerful investment bank that would help the family reassert its dominant role in international finance.
01:56:01.720After Maxwell purchased Macmillan with the help of Pyre and Rothschild Incorporated, so they're all working together now,
01:56:09.520he indeed used the company to establish a foothold in the U.S., specifically in New York.
01:56:13.420There, he would begin a sprawling influence operation to cultivate the city's elite, which would intimately involve his daughter, Ghislaine.
01:57:35.920Maxwell died under suspicious circumstances on his yacht in November 1991.
01:57:43.580Though media reports often say that his death was most likely a suicide,
01:57:47.200several biographers, investigators, and Ghislaine herself assert that he was murdered,
01:57:52.600having hit the end of the line in terms of his usefulness to those who had empowered his legal and illegal activities over the years.
01:57:59.760Many have asserted that rogue Mossad agents had been responsible, including Ghislaine herself.
01:58:08.540Ghislaine reportedly blames a dark conspiracy of Mossad renegades and Sicilian contract killers for taking her father's life.
01:58:16.900As previously mentioned, the books on Robert Maxwell's troubled businesses, several of which were insolvent, at the time were subsequently investigated, quote, investigated by the Rothschilds later on.
01:58:29.760It later emerged that during this period and the years that followed, Ghislaine had shifted from being dependent on her father to being entirely dependent on Jeffrey Epstein for her lavish lifestyle.
01:58:42.860So she switched from her father to this other old Jew.
01:58:46.980Some acquaintances of Ghislaine had since claimed that she started working for Epstein immediately after her father died.
02:00:10.720Another accuser in the same lawsuit, Jane Doe No. 1,
02:00:13.400said she was 14 years old when Epstein began abusing her in 1990.
02:00:18.500Thus, by the time he began publicly associating himself with Maxwell, Epstein allegedly already engaged in horrific acts of sex abuse against young women, including underage girls.
02:00:30.620Though the details of the abuse suffered by his earliest victims are scarce, much of Epstein's early sex crimes appear to be linked to his connections to the modeling industry.
02:00:40.500Jean-Luc Brunel was key to Epstein's activities as it relates to the modeling industry.
02:00:46.600Brunel first became prominent in that industry in his native France in the 80s.
02:00:51.080Further evidence of Brunel's role in Epstein's sex trafficking operation can be seen in the memos seized from Epstein's Palm Beach mansion by the police.
02:01:01.940One memo taken by Epstein's staff noted that Brunel had called and left a message for Epstein that read, quote,
02:01:08.840He has a teacher for you to teach you Russian.
02:01:12.000She is two times eight years old, not blonde.
02:01:15.780Lessons are free, and you can have first today if you call.
02:01:19.020In court, the two-times-eight-year-old claim was suggested by lawyers, including Brad Edwards, as potentially referring to two eight-year-old girls.
02:01:27.580However, others believe it was a coded way of referring to a single 16-year-old girl.
02:01:33.520In addition, and that's like, once you actually look in the numbers here, it could be either it was a two eight-year-old girls or one 16-year-old girl.
02:25:50.320by discussing the history of mass migration in Canada
02:25:55.620and getting into the history of what led us to that.
02:25:59.820And specifically looking at public opinion polls from the 1940s up through the 20th century, showing census data and public opinion polls about what people actually thought about immigration, contrary to what you're told.
02:26:16.560And I feel as if you're told this in America as well, that, well, we voted for it.
02:26:21.580Your ancestors or family voted for this life that you have right now.
02:26:27.480And then you realize that if you take a historical view, and many of your audience likely have done this, you understand that they were very vocal that they were not pro-immigration, but it happened anyway.
02:26:39.460There was a bureaucratic subversion that occurred.
02:26:42.360Because it's Canada and there's fewer people here, I found that the conspiracy was in sharper relief because we can trace this to a few specific prime ministers.
02:27:13.940What led us to really opening the doors to, you know, it's as bad now as it's ever been,
02:27:21.760but it really started around the same time as it started in the U.S. in the 1960s.
02:27:25.940That was a big pivot point where you started seeing these laws being passed, in fact, against the proclamations of the prime minister. The entire time you had these political leaders saying, we're not going to do this. Mass migration sounds stupid. Why would we even want to do that? And then behind closed doors, they're doing it anyway.
02:27:45.840and we don't need to discuss that entire documentary but that set the stage for this one
02:27:51.300because we wanted to ask the question you know what is a canadian you know in america you have
02:27:57.700a different self-awareness a different way uh you know different sort of history and a different
02:28:03.380self-conceptualization um and you know canada and america are actually quite similar um they're at
02:28:09.660odds now in a lot of ways but i mean it's it's not like canada versus fucking china it's not
02:28:15.180canada versus nigeria you know i mean that's like some people act like we're separate continents and
02:28:21.140i don't really have much patience for that there are differences okay fine and i'm curious to get
02:28:26.260your thoughts on this because in my mind there has been a deliberate desire to paint canada as
02:28:39.300sort of the better America, right? Like more American than America. And so you guys are
02:28:47.880presented to us as what we could and what we ought to be by progressives. And the conception
02:28:55.660is basically, you know, you guys have taken our values and done them even harder. It's what we
02:29:02.000could be without you know evil racist chuds if we could just get rid of them and i'm also stricken
02:29:09.860struck i cannot speak tonight dimes i deeply intolerable i i haven't noticed i i think it's
02:29:16.780like shit through a goose it's coming it's smooth i've also noticed and i'm curious this is sort of
02:29:25.140some point how much your politicians exist in relation to ours and look i get it america's the
02:29:34.400world empire that's going to happen everywhere but there there is a weird conception or this
02:29:40.620sort of weird development that canada has sort of become defined in relation to america
02:29:47.860yeah well there's a by my count there's there's three good points there to address so
02:29:54.520let me think that the first one was um what was the first one is about uh do we seem like
02:30:04.080perfected america the second one was about can you just repeat i'm sorry i'm blanking i'm trying
02:30:09.680to figure what sequence to answer those in so canada as was sort of perfected america canada
02:30:17.620as you know america without the evil chuds and then you know kind of uh canada existing only in
02:30:26.080relation to yeah yeah okay so what's interesting is that there's canada as it's portrayed in
02:30:33.320america and it's different everywhere i assume i bet the opinion of canada in texas is different
02:30:39.060than in california obviously but um i'm sure it's it's viewed from the outside and liberals would
02:30:45.040see canada as a certain way okay so um canada's idea of itself is in i it's always been oppositional
02:30:58.180to america and that's among liberals and conservatives and there is a historical
02:31:04.460argument for that and we talked about this on our show we covered a great many canadian books
02:31:08.960recently and i wrote this vanguardist journal article my substack about the the history of
02:31:15.540anti-americanism in canada because a great many canadians view themselves as apart from america
02:31:22.620and as more enlightened you know and this is when i was growing up this was the sentiment up here
02:31:28.580that canada was more you know they'll say liberal but here's the thing there's been a good amount of
02:31:35.960work put in by other content creators in our space right now like my friend for the sax uh the black
02:31:43.300horse is another one um i think ferryman's toll would have probably spoken on this as well you
02:31:48.540know there's a historical argument he made that the canada is less liberal than america it depends
02:31:54.760how you define liberalism but it has always been less about individual liberty it's been less about
02:32:02.260personal freedom and that's worked against us and for us in some regards but um they would look
02:32:08.620upon canada and say look they are the actualization of american values and i think
02:32:13.900like if you get down to the root of it i don't think so um they would just look at canada and
02:32:19.240say oh look how clean and nice they are but you know canadians are also very passive aggressive
02:32:23.480and british about it too but again it's not so different than in america they're not comparing
02:32:29.600different races of people here frankly but canada since i was growing up always had to define itself
02:32:36.880against america um in terms of its tone and tenor and character and we're just smarter than those
02:32:43.900boorish americans which i never agreed with because you know you'll say that one time but
02:32:48.660everyone's got like 20 000 americans that they like yeah americans are stupid except steve jobs
02:32:54.960like shut the fuck up you know like and i was saying that when i was younger i'm like this is
02:32:58.540this is a dumb thing that we're doing but it's something that people clung to and um so there's
02:33:04.740a there's a historical argument for that as well with american interventionalism there's actually
02:33:08.940quite a bit of military history between america and canada or british north america um you know
02:33:14.520between america and britain at the time as well there's i won't get into the the nuts and bolts
02:33:21.020of that but um so what the the next one from that was um the talking about the political class how
02:33:29.740much our politicians take their cues from american politicians i would say very heavily
02:33:35.880um see one of the issues is that americ canadian media is dominated by american media um just due
02:33:44.480to the in the sense that the whole world is because american media is so dominant we live
02:33:48.700right next door so obviously we're going to get so much media from america despite that canada
02:33:53.300actually has a surprisingly active music and movie and television scene given its population size but
02:34:00.780put that to the side um i'd say that most canadian politicians would be take would be living within
02:34:09.160the american context or under the american shadow having to respond to arguments made by america you
02:34:17.260saw this with donald trump talking about annexation that's one extreme example but you know even
02:34:23.120during trump's first term if you were to walk to a newsstand anywhere in canada every major
02:34:30.000newspaper was talking about donald trump and it was kind of a joke that during his first election
02:34:35.640it coincided with one of our elections and every canadian was watching you know trump versus
02:34:42.880Hillary. No one was watching our election. And so that's just one of those uncomfortable things
02:34:48.220that people, you know, they complain about it, but the revealed preference shows something else.
02:34:55.120Canadian politics isn't as interesting. And by, what do I mean by interesting? Because I don't
02:35:03.400think you're going to see someone like Trump emerge. The conservatives are a lot more restrained
02:35:11.000and muted and they don't really know what they're advocating for the liberals you know i i would say
02:35:17.020that canada overall is more progressive especially by american standards here's the funny thing so
02:35:24.040one of the reasons i never took the annexation talk from donald trump seriously is because i
02:35:30.640don't think donald trump's an idiot i'm not a fan of donald trump for various reasons but on this
02:35:36.600one issue i tend to think that he's at least thought it all the way through and i think he
02:35:41.740understands that canada's population over around 40 million something like that it's this population
02:35:49.160of canada is comparable to that of california and if america were to annex or absorb canada it would
02:35:57.520be like getting a second california what do you think that does to american politics do you think
02:36:03.060that fucks the republicans forever right do you think that that changes the state of play
02:36:09.860significantly so it's like he wouldn't it wouldn't be in his interest or the republicans interest to
02:36:15.700even do that so i didn't think they were going to do it that's something to keep in mind that
02:36:19.380if you want to be of our political persuasion you know i'm not making any assumptions about
02:36:25.620your specific policies but you know for people like us i find there's fewer of us in canada the
02:36:31.720terrain is more hostile towards us that's changing i think but i mean there's a lot of
02:36:38.560shit libs up here remember that justin trudeau was voted in pretty unanimously a couple of times
02:36:46.880after after people saw how stupid and inept he was you see what i'm saying like there's
02:36:52.920There's like Mark Carney, the one in a fucking landslide right now.
02:37:22.080there's a lot of guns there's all that stuff but i don't think you're ever going to see a prime
02:37:26.560minister at least in my lifetime really take a crack at universal health care or any of the
02:37:34.820fundamental issues did that answer any of your questions at all yes 100 as i flashed my face
02:37:43.800on camera and we know what you look like jay you're a peach yeah but i'm sitting here in my
02:37:50.280boxers well no one knows that i have a standing desk i'm wearing a suit directly i don't know
02:37:57.300about you i i i dress for the occasion i dress over the jay burden show well thank you i appreciate
02:38:03.760that in fact i demand that i'm wearing a tuxedo bottom that might be the most threatening single
02:38:14.420item of actually which is worse if you round a corner in the ncd part of town and you have a
02:38:21.580choice of seeing a guy sprinting towards you wearing only tuxedo top or tuxedo bottom which
02:38:28.320would you pick tuxedo bottom because if i'm talking about my safety i know that okay this
02:38:36.040this man's involved in a plot this man is involved he's the main character of whatever's happening
02:38:41.760right now i my job is to get out of the way and get out of the way of whoever's chasing him
02:38:48.000this is an indiana jones moment i'm excited i'm not you know i would not only would i rather see
02:38:54.860that i hope i see that tomorrow all right fair enough so i've interrupted you from talking about
02:39:04.280this documentary well no because this all ties into it because one thing we talked about in
02:39:09.080documentary is the um outline of power politics in canada and uh it's a lot like elite theory i
02:39:16.860know there's a lot of guests you've had on to talk about that like where are the power blocks
02:39:21.140in canada who are the elite families and then where are they clustered in the western elites
02:39:27.000the laurentian elites the quebecois elites um hold on i'm just gonna sorry i was just gonna
02:39:33.280strange call there um yeah so where the civilizational power blocks are in canada
02:39:40.560and then we build upon that um and so like this is all relevant as long as we're talking about
02:39:47.020canada but as i'm discussing this it's not so different than america and it's really not so
02:39:52.240different from europe because a lot of these we're dealing with a lot of the same phenomenon
02:39:58.740We're dealing with a lot of the same, you know, the one thing about what led Canada down this path of mass migration, and I'm not trying to get too much in that sort of Klaus Schwab, Agenda 2030 stuff, but even going back to the 60s, there was this idea that, you know, globalism is happening.
02:40:23.280And Canada jumped on very enthusiastically.
02:40:26.020That's one of the reasons that they're pursuing mass migration, just because they thought this, if we want to be on the side of international trade, if we want to be on the side of this new paradigm, this is what we need to do.
02:40:36.980And not only should we go along with this, we should be the vanguards of it.
02:40:41.420we should be front and center in Canada for so long has taken, at least as political class,
02:40:46.700taking great pride in being very involved in UN strategies, UN groups, topping the list of the
02:40:56.460most progressive, the most multicultural, the most open. That's something it's pride itself on.
02:41:02.060But that's because it feels it needs to, because that's the status quo. And they're not necessarily
02:41:06.880wrong. You're seeing the same thing in Australia. You're seeing the same thing in fucking New Zealand.
02:41:11.420all across the anglosphere it's the same story and i bet you if you're looking into it the you
02:41:17.500know elite groups would be different different sizes and you know america is almost a an edge
02:41:24.820case because its internal politics are so dynamic and its influence is so wide-reaching it has you
02:41:32.740know so many different contained political battles going on right now but i would say for everyone
02:41:39.480else, all across Europe, it's the same story, more or less. And very similar, I would hate to
02:41:45.660call it populist, but nationalist pushback in various forms. And that's kind of what we were
02:41:52.220taking here. If we're taking a nationalist approach, what is Canadian nationalism? It's
02:42:00.660different than American nationalism, New Zealand nationalism. Like if you look at the red ensign
02:42:06.820flag which was the original flag of canada before the maple leaf flag everyone's familiar with
02:42:11.840there's a little shield on there and that shield contains the founding ethnicities of canada you
02:42:19.940got the french got the english you got the irish and you know there's like four main ones so from
02:42:27.580the beginning there's this idea and when people think of canada think french and english there's
02:42:33.340demarcation there and you can never really reconcile those two there's a lot of tension
02:42:39.800up here between the french and the english i think it's unfortunate i would like to move past that
02:42:44.980but you know i talk to quebec nationalists all the time and it ain't fucking easy
02:42:49.680it's hard to get a hold of them when they do it's like well you know if you want to reconcile this
02:42:55.420you really the english have to change everything that they do it's like okay
02:42:59.000whatever you should just counter with a reasonable you know a reasonable position
02:43:06.280like you should take a shower here's the thing i'm trying to even move past the stereotypes
02:43:12.980i love montreal i love quebec city i love poutine i should think i don't care that they do poutine
02:43:20.160better in ontario i'm not even i'm not even gonna sweat them on that i just undid months
02:43:26.460of good work with that comment but there's this idea in canada that at best and i made this claim
02:43:36.240before that canada if you look at the structure of canada it's more like an empire an empire
02:43:44.040doesn't just mean you're globally dominant but it's it's sort of this structure that contains
02:43:50.080nations within it that's the form that most empires take especially as they expand they open
02:43:55.760new frontiers and then absorb new areas in the periphery, then the periphery ends up filtering
02:44:01.280towards the center. And so pretty much every empire throughout history has ended up multicultural,
02:44:07.320which isn't to say every civilization does. But most, I can't think of an empire that hasn't.
02:44:14.640So interestingly, Canada kind of functions like an empire, has all these contained ethnic groups
02:44:19.600that it's trying to reconcile constantly it's been constantly trying to figure out what to do
02:44:26.900with these groups that and we're not demanding really that they assimilate we don't have a
02:44:32.660melting pot ideology up here in fact america never really had a melting pot that was a bit
02:44:37.500of subversive fiction that was foisted upon you but there's this idea that what is a canadian
02:44:43.480is a canadian one of these four founding stocks that's that's what most nationalists would believe
02:44:50.420but it may really made me wonder that if we had to make a canadian what would a canadian be because
02:44:57.300there's characteristics that you would assume canadians have but they tend to be of the anglo
02:45:02.020variety but there's a lot of internal you know um conflict in america and canada rather right now
02:45:10.160especially if you've heard about uh the alberta separation movement alberta wants to separate
02:45:17.080part of that's driven by trump's annexation doc but not all of it they've been unhappy for a long
02:45:23.900time i'm hearing the same thing from british columbia quebec has been talking about separating
02:45:28.840since i was a teenager manitoba is talking about right now so every there's there's this idea you
02:45:36.140don't claim that we've made that the promise of confederation what made canada well what made
02:45:43.280canadian confederation that was the movement to unite canada from east to west was to create this
02:45:50.080united landmass and connect it with one giant rail line to facilitate trade east and west so
02:45:56.500we didn't all become dependent on american trade and business that ended up happening anyway but
02:46:04.620the entire reason we had this confederation movement was to mutually benefit every province
02:46:12.800financially. And I hate to say it, there's a strong argument to be made that we have not been keeping
02:46:20.020up that promise. In fact, the government situated in Ontario has been, you know, handicapping
02:46:27.620Alberta for quite some time. So that's all to say that there's a lot of problems up here that
02:46:59.200But, you know, the idea of nationalism or a nation of people goes back to the Middle Ages, even. But nationalism as a modern movement, you can trace to around the 19th century. But the idea is, you know, a nation needs to be a coherent people. And then you can grow into a larger sort of orientation.
02:47:19.340But, you know, if you're not a coherent people, and even within Canada, are Ontarians a coherent people?
02:47:27.000The Quebecois, I believe, are, but are Albertans.
02:47:31.620What does Alberta standing alone on the world stage look like?
02:47:35.900So anyway, these are the questions that we're asking about, okay, who are these people?
02:47:49.340It is possible to do. You can have nations on a smaller scale. We have nations all throughout Canada in the forms of Aboriginal tribal bands, your American Indians. They are nations unto themselves legally up here. And they would have a self-awareness of themselves that is profoundly nationalistic.
02:48:13.740We give other examples and sources in the film looking at Oriana and looking at these emergent peoples all throughout Africa and elsewhere.
02:48:27.760It's actually more of a question of will.
02:48:31.120And so if you wanted, it's less about uniting the entirety of Canada, which might be a fool's errand, and more about you understand that there's something to being a Canadian.
02:48:43.000Okay, can you and a group of communities or families actually start something of an ethnogenesis in the 21st century in Canada?
02:48:52.920And that really became the through line of the entire piece.
02:48:58.280And it's a pretty daring case to be made, and I hope we do it well.
02:49:02.800But I gave you a lot of stuff just there.
02:49:06.640Yeah, there are a couple things there.
02:49:08.280So, you mentioned earlier the different kind of power blocks within Canada. And as far as I understand, or as far as I've had it explained to me, what these state level independence movements are basically a conflict between the Laurentian elite and the kind of like local power block,
02:49:36.740which sort of draws its power from resource extraction, right?
03:11:45.860And I was hopeful because I said, you know, what they can do now is they can reassess.
03:11:50.880get Pierre Polyev out of there. Find a new guy. Who are you going to get? I don't know.
03:11:55.560Go crazy. Find a dark horse candidate like Trump. Find a psychopath. I don't know.
03:12:01.900Find just anyone but Kevin O'Leary. But I wasn't expecting them to do what they did,
03:12:09.620which was just keep Pierre Polyev in power and change nothing. So right now, there's a lot of
03:12:16.660people in the conservative party that are looking for not an out but saying like what the fuck are
03:12:23.300we doing mark carney the liberal prime minister we're gonna have 25 years of him you can be prime
03:12:29.800minister for as long as you want by the way he could be he could be prime minister for a hundred
03:12:33.780thousand years if he wants to if he just keeps getting re-elected so there's people within the
03:12:39.840conservative movement they're looking for some of that energy that they felt they remember what's
03:12:46.480like to hate a liberal leader they remember what it was like for the trucker protest there's
03:12:53.000something here and these conservatives the the prison they're in is so fucking boring
03:13:00.420and offers them nothing all it offers is scolding so i'm looking at them and saying there's an
03:13:08.340alternative and it's it's this other thing outside of the politics this this this emergence
03:13:15.620nationalistic thing that i was just describing
03:13:18.300so dimes we are fast approaching time i'll make sure to link to this documentary
03:13:25.240uh everyone should check it out it got burden wife seal of approval so oh did that matters to
03:13:31.680you yeah yeah she liked it uh and so you know for what the brains upon the operation oh 100
03:13:38.840it's uh uh yeah i've you know we kind of floated the round idea you know like oh it'd be you know
03:13:47.000fun maybe you and i do a show talking to her and she goes yeah no why would i listen to you steal
03:13:52.100my ideas like wow okay fine uh in all seriousness she enjoyed it so if that kind of you know uh
03:13:59.440lofty praise moves you i'll be sure to link it uh dimes where else can people find you
03:14:05.200Oh, you can go over to bloodsatellite.ca to find all of our content from the show on there and clips and full episodes and everything. I'm on Substack at vanguardistjournal.substack.com. Jay was so gracious as to include a link to that on our last appearance. But those are the main things. I'm also on X at Legally Ironic.