Blood Satellite - The Paradigm that Cried Wolf in Huhmocracy Manifest

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite did i tell you that i got electrocuted

00:00:20.560 no that's a threat you didn't know what happened

00:00:24.060 all right so uh this is gonna be a congratulations by the way

00:00:30.580 this is gonna be a story for all the new homeowners out there uh especially if you

00:00:38.440 don't have a good house okay if you got a donkey you said it you said it not me

00:00:46.360 here's what happened yeah i've been we're in the kitchen we've lived here for a year

00:00:51.240 and we've used the oven before but i was just uh just wiping it down with a damn cloth and uh

00:01:01.820 you know my wife was nearby this was just in the day and uh i felt a jolt a jolt so strong

00:01:09.800 i momentarily blacked and just i felt it in my chest and my heart was racing it felt not not a

00:01:18.400 tightness or any sort of pain but it wasn't static shock and uh my good and my wife looked over

00:01:25.840 because it was a i don't know what i looked like from the outside but to me it felt like moody

00:01:32.580 it felt like you made a sound that every electrocuted person says and you know i'm a

00:01:40.560 fucking father or two

00:01:42.200 and so I'm just thinking

00:01:44.400 okay whatever

00:01:45.240 shut up

00:01:46.720 like I got things to do and I move on past it

00:01:50.760 I'm thinking I tell her

00:01:52.120 don't stay away from yelling

00:01:53.520 I gotta figure something out

00:01:55.100 what happened let's get electrocuted

00:01:56.960 I gotta figure what's going on

00:02:01.320 actually

00:02:01.940 but we call an electrician

00:02:04.780 to look at it

00:02:06.280 because this is something I don't want to fuck around with

00:02:08.780 I'll fuck around with a lot

00:02:10.040 but usually not delicious and so a couple guys come in and they look they're taking it out of

00:02:16.440 the wall and uh i'll just skip ahead to the end you know the hood or the vent above most ovens

00:02:25.400 right nettles yeah uh he opened that up and there was just a my wire touching it touching the hood

00:02:32.260 and on the inside under it but he said there was like 240 you know watts running through that

00:02:39.280 240 volts yeah 240 volts stove plug which isn't it's much higher than a typical appliance it's

00:02:45.100 double um and also that range hood like the whole point to having a ground circuit is if a live wire

00:02:53.400 touches the range hood right the ground circuit will shunt that to ground and immediately trip

00:02:59.380 the breaker and the lights will go out and you'll know that there's an electrical problem that's the

00:03:03.640 whole point to a fucking breaker so the like not only did you have a live wire against the inside

00:03:07.700 but it wasn't grounded so the whole thing and that's the and it was so he's like touching that

00:03:14.680 was like putting your finger in an outlet yes which is what happens like putting putting two

00:03:20.840 fingers in two separate outlets at the same time 60 degrees out of phase yeah which sounds like

00:03:26.400 it's worse but i can imagine an electrician coming saying no that would actually negate

00:03:30.460 both or you'd be fine like okay i don't know i don't know how electricity works i don't know

00:03:36.020 what any of this is if i stick both my fingers and i was it's on either side of the room it

00:03:41.440 actually will cancel out each the telling lies like a sailor would just like squinting at it

00:03:46.960 and go no well that's a west facing one that's an east facing one so you know those are those

00:03:52.460 are uh reverse polarities now there's a north and the south you'd be in trouble and i'm nodding yes

00:03:58.480 sir sir sir yes sir love you sir but what happened was so it jumped because i wasn't

00:04:08.480 touching the hood it somehow just jumped to the regular oven but he's like yeah that's

00:04:12.660 this was you know once i heard that i started rethinking a lot of shit i started thinking about

00:04:20.760 the holocaust because that's never far that's always sitting on the bedside table there

00:04:25.960 i'm thinking it really would have been easy to do electric floors um that's what they were saying

00:04:33.580 what's happening you can't electrify a floor it turns out you could horse around and electrify

00:04:39.200 anything well no because no no for the floor the floor is your the floor okay here's the thing

00:04:48.000 the floor or maybe the stove itself here's the thing okay okay look i'm not an electrician right

00:04:54.420 but you have to have a pack you said yeah no i love this because he's got a stompy he sees a

00:05:00.640 small fire and he's got a stomping this is yeah so the range hood was electrified had 240 volts

00:05:07.120 it was live right but you were touching the stove here's what i think happened i think the stove was

00:05:13.420 your ground path i'll bet you leaned forward and some part of your head got close enough to the

00:05:20.440 range hood for it to arc from the hood through your body to the stove itself because if the

00:05:25.800 stove body is properly grounded your your floor is what like uh like linoleum or tile or something

00:05:31.360 right right so you it can't go through tile so the ground path it's trying to jump from to the

00:05:37.160 nearest grounded object which would be the stove itself so it's going from the range hood through

00:05:41.680 your body to the stove you had your hand on a wet cloth on the fucking stove it must have gone

00:05:48.160 through your fucking head or whatever part of your body was closer to the hood probably your head

00:05:51.880 it must have made some kind of jump and that's the only thing that makes sense if you if you get

00:05:57.000 close and it's humid in there it'll fucking arc it'll arc to a hair to like a single hair and

00:06:01.780 the electrician he made a point he said it was just they had very lazily i i would say nigger

00:06:10.520 rigged the electricity for the hood so it's just like a labor that's just touching it he said

00:06:16.340 it's not like it became free it's not like there was so but actually it's like this he said it

00:06:22.120 wasn't accidental he said it was neglectful he said that's worse um and so then you know

00:06:28.820 then i got these guys coming in they're telling me electrician shit they're saying oh by the way

00:06:33.880 none of this is up to code by the way this is the first of 17 problems you have in this house

00:06:42.320 electricity i thought i got the malls because they had electric well we got the house but

00:06:46.740 on the specter come in and electricity come in and grounded a lot of the ellis were grounded

00:06:52.940 but and this is electricians talking to me so i'm like yeah okay but what what is up the code

00:07:00.040 is anyone up the code but you you know the you and me it's just two guys talking you're full of

00:07:07.400 shit yeah i'm full of shit i mean he's like you know in homes that you need to have an outlet by

00:07:13.800 and on like above any surface that's like three feet wide something like that so he's looking at

00:07:20.120 this cash face like there's got to be electrical out there but like okay i understand that's

00:07:24.600 written down somewhere but why like why can't i have less outlets but just i would like more

00:07:31.300 but why is it against the law that i need to have more if i have like a certain car space

00:07:37.460 if i want to plug something and what if i don't want what if i just don't fucking want to yeah

00:07:41.980 i think that's the double-edged sword of electrical code not that i know anything

00:07:45.940 about electrical code but my limited experience is there's a small core of it which is critically

00:07:52.120 important to your safety which frankly any competent person would do regardless of the

00:07:56.920 code and then there's the other 95 of it which is just fucking dumb and is just like you know

00:08:02.640 regulatory bloat that nobody asked for like you above three feet you have to have a float with

00:08:07.520 every four feet like why is it even in feet nigger we're in canada guys you need to have more outlets

00:08:13.540 you need to have more outlets the government which i love and respect oh he's no he's like

00:08:19.640 feather indian yeah he's like big sue over here you need more outlets do you think there's ever

00:08:24.700 been one of these teamed up what like an indian and an indian yeah fuck that'd be a good buddy

00:08:31.360 comedy like rush hour five is an indian and an indian i'll tell you what that's not the best

00:08:36.240 thing or the worst it's like will they get along to aren't they get along what's it for me yeah

00:08:46.240 nothing actually there's no draw here both as a viewer as a white man what's in it for me if

00:08:51.560 What if they both

00:08:53.820 One of them has to do a Jackie Chan impression

00:08:55.880 And one of them has to do Chris Rock

00:08:57.300 Because they're not so

00:08:59.960 Like polar opposites

00:09:01.960 Like black and white

00:09:02.980 Where it's charming to see this match together

00:09:05.420 I don't know what your real differences are

00:09:07.920 You might have the same gods

00:09:10.500 I don't know

00:09:11.220 You're both making it up

00:09:13.820 Neither one of you could read

00:09:16.900 Until we met you

00:09:17.980 You're both very bread heavy people

00:09:20.440 when i hear about aboriginals type of food they say you gotta try the fry bread yeah but the fry

00:09:26.420 bread and then what's the other one that they always talk about the um anyways the point is

00:09:30.680 it's all uh scotts irish all of their they didn't have bread before us they didn't do

00:09:35.200 your staple food is frying bread these are two things you couldn't do no but my point is they

00:09:42.920 didn't even have bread so we introduced bread and grain i know that's what they introduced the bread

00:09:46.960 and then also the frying in a frying pan.

00:09:48.780 Can we deep fry this?

00:09:50.480 Can we take the frying technique and take the bread

00:09:52.560 and just do that?

00:09:53.460 Well, I guess.

00:09:56.240 They're a staple food of the fucking Blackfoot tribe.

00:09:59.180 It's bruschetta.

00:10:02.020 It's a top of Greek salad from Costco.

00:10:11.420 That's so good.

00:10:13.020 You're bloody asshole, people.

00:10:14.560 and so i'll drop them also uh got electrocuted i'm back at war with the knotweed in the in the

00:10:21.680 garden yeah is it coming back up again it is but i'm getting it early good and i'm going deep with

00:10:26.920 a shower but you go you hack at it like that two three times a year for three years it'll it will

00:10:31.040 go away but you have to actually like aggressively fight it like it's you know yeah like my thing is

00:10:36.820 i'm just gonna starve the rhizome of the nutrients it gets from the leaves if i just keep doing that

00:10:42.080 yep fine yeah yeah it'll go your bob's your uncle bob's your uncle i thought i had it i i saw

00:10:48.940 something like that in my beds and i was gonna dig it up and i was freaking out i'm like i've

00:10:52.660 never dealt with this before anyways i dug it up it was uh it was apple trees so now i have like

00:10:56.980 a hundred new apple trees oh it's just a delightful amazing actually something delightful yeah is that

00:11:01.520 something like a we need to poo get your hand off my penis what is the charge eating a succulent

00:11:07.800 Chinese. Fuck you, Judas.

00:11:09.700 Yes, that's my house. That's what happens at my house.

00:11:11.720 I thought it was a bathroom. It turns out it's one

00:11:13.860 yourself. Oh, look at this, dear. Look at this.

00:11:15.520 We have plums.

00:11:20.520 Whoa, Judas, just

00:11:21.660 one year got every type of fruit tree.

00:11:24.420 Dude, I have like

00:11:25.420 50 different types of perennial fruits

00:11:27.820 now. I walk through my

00:11:29.600 yard like, wow, I didn't know soil

00:11:31.940 could get a tumor, but there it is.

00:11:35.160 There it is.

00:11:36.120 buck status what the sigma just a wow cool pulsating flesh mass what what's with what's

00:11:43.640 with all these disfigurements on casa and de la times um so speaking of that speaking of electricity

00:11:52.600 if i ask you a question i've even asked you this before i don't know where this is gonna go

00:11:57.120 what is your take on data centers hit me with the digits jay spice oh data centers are data centers

00:12:10.520 are like highways i'm forming this thought as i speak okay data centers are like the expressway

00:12:18.240 they're like freeways so they are necessary for a certain level of technological advancement right

00:12:26.340 like for example you need freeways for like next day delivery you can't do next day delivery without

00:12:31.300 freeways but they don't they come at an enormous cost and we're even with freeways after close to

00:12:37.780 100 years we still have not really grappled with the social environmental you know um urban planning

00:12:44.660 costs of freeways the same thing is happening with data centers they have an enormous cost

00:12:50.020 in terms of land they have an environmental cost they increase power um like power consumption um

00:12:56.980 but they're you're not everything that we're enjoying right now like all the llms the ai all

00:13:03.380 of it it's all on credit none of this has been paid for by which i mean we have all been insulated

00:13:09.780 from the true cost of this because the market is in this growth stage where everybody's pouring

00:13:15.780 money into it so they don't have to actually charge you they don't have to charge you the

00:13:19.620 subscription but they also don't have to charge you the fucking power bills either or the water

00:13:24.280 bills for these things they're going to soon though in the next few years and so i think the

00:13:30.120 doing data centers is necessary a lot of them probably they're going to be everywhere i just

00:13:35.680 hope that we can figure out how to do them in a way that doesn't make everyone's life a living

00:13:40.700 hell and i have i mean i hope that that happens but i don't think that it will happen i think it's

00:13:45.240 going to be like freeways i think i think it's going to be awful and for five generations we're

00:13:49.460 going to be complaining about what a fucking shit show that i'm just looking at a tweet here i was

00:13:54.780 i never i was ever able to visualize data centers very much i heard of data centers before

00:14:02.500 it's been having data centers for a long time in one form or another they seem relatively small

00:14:08.420 or manageable at least but i was looking at this one here the one that was proposed by kevin o'leary

00:14:14.600 Canada's Israel's

00:14:17.060 Kevin O'Leary

00:14:17.780 and he's got

00:14:21.160 this new big investment he's touring around

00:14:22.880 on podcasts and it was

00:14:24.720 purportedly the most largest

00:14:27.180 data center in

00:14:29.020 Box Elder County in Utah

00:14:31.120 of

00:14:32.840 40,000 acres

00:14:34.500 that's how big it is

00:14:36.760 62 square miles

00:14:38.860 that seems excessive

00:14:39.880 a hyperscale data center the largest in the world

00:14:42.700 um and just look at the map here you see right here it's kind of risk where this is swallowing

00:14:48.520 up entire towns like this is now that that is just for reference right he's not actually going

00:14:54.140 to bulldoze that yeah yeah but like conceptually i'm like that's that could encompass like like a

00:15:00.600 like a city yeah um so that's where a lot of people were getting up in arms of the reason i

00:15:06.700 brought this up this goes it was being discussed in the chat and i was not tapped into this really

00:15:11.640 hold on I was just I could come up with what I would think the opposition would be um because

00:15:19.280 kind of been here off and on same thing about you know solar panels and windmills valid concerns

00:15:26.420 right right but I was just asking questions because I wanted to know like what is what's

00:15:32.220 the argument against data centers uh is it hazardous is it the groundwater just yeah you

00:15:39.120 yes yes yes and yes and well they they might but that's not what people were saying either

00:15:45.700 although i assume oh really um well because really the argument i was hearing this is a

00:15:51.460 valid argument but it's a very general argument it's just that you don't like ai and you don't

00:15:57.400 like that's fucking dumb and big data but i'm like but that would be sent like i don't like

00:16:02.600 computers he says on his computer i was like i just don't like i don't like stuff i don't like

00:16:07.500 ai i don't like collecting the beta it's a data centered story my data i don't like that so i

00:16:13.860 don't like any of this and so i hate this one yeah i don't know who i'm insulting here but

00:16:18.860 definitely there's some fucking clowns out there if that's where we're at with this argument yeah

00:16:23.140 and i've also heard statements you know we all talk about how much water ai uses or the computers

00:16:32.060 that you generate ai we all joke about how it's stealing water from african children every slop

00:16:40.100 video you do takes like 20 gallons of water i don't know i don't know if that's true because

00:16:46.000 we also inflate that number every time we say it just to make it funnier but like there's got to

00:16:51.900 be a way where it's not just draining the entire world of water there's got to be like a break even

00:16:56.800 point here how much of this consumption is inflated however you look at something like

00:17:02.680 this one's not like city utah i mean it is a city unto itself you would need it's either going to

00:17:09.520 draw all the power from the neighboring area or it's going to have to be energy independent somehow

00:17:15.740 but but this is why i've gone back and forth with people aren't so like help me understand this

00:17:20.740 they're saying well why don't they build it in the middle of nowhere away from small towns and

00:17:25.740 obviously well that doesn't make sense because it needs to be connected to a power grid yeah so you

00:17:31.020 gotta and people have to work there and those like this is not how you don't build anything

00:17:34.300 that far away from people right so yeah so they there's um acceptable distance you know okay and

00:17:41.340 then i was they're saying that you know it moves in these towns and decimates the economies and i

00:17:45.660 don't know every single instance of where these data centers are going it seems to me that the

00:17:53.340 The people who are forwarding these day centers are making deals with these towns.

00:17:58.560 Yes.

00:17:58.960 All these landowners.

00:18:00.180 And those mayors are seeing it as beneficial.

00:18:04.060 Now, why might that be?

00:18:05.660 It might be because, and again, I can't speak for every single town.

00:18:09.980 I don't know them, but I'm like, I think a lot of them are probably dying.

00:18:12.740 Probably dying towns.

00:18:14.580 And so the mayors, they might be not getting the money.

00:18:17.340 There might be some grift going on here with corrupt politicians, of course.

00:18:22.040 but there's if we can admit that maybe we also admit that this is attractive to the small towns

00:18:29.580 because they say okay this means some new jobs this means we are now relevant to the federal

00:18:36.380 government so maybe they're giving us more money for roads and schools and everything else

00:18:41.140 but this puts us on the map and for my constituency i need to put us on the map now some

00:18:47.580 people don't like that of course but maybe some do or that a calculus was run right does that

00:18:54.180 sound fair does that sound like something that could happen i mean it's i think that's definitely

00:18:59.820 what's happening i was thinking of the uh fuck i can't remember the name the walking phoenix

00:19:04.500 movie recently about eddington so that's that's the kind of the end joke with eddington right is

00:19:10.600 a lot of this was kind of a setup in order to decrease property value so that the people who

00:19:15.440 are actually in power at the town could put a fucking data center in and i think i was going

00:19:20.040 to say like if i was talking about like doing freeways correctly one of the ways i would do

00:19:24.320 data centers correctly first of all is put them in space but if you're going to put them on land

00:19:27.580 make them smaller and make them decentralized and put them in urban areas where you already are you

00:19:34.020 already have management systems for all of the issues of like pollution and wastewater and also

00:19:38.220 and noise pollution exactly you're not fucking bothering anybody in an industrial district

00:19:42.360 in an existing city but when you put it out oh in the middle of nowhere it's there's no such thing

00:19:47.120 as the middle of nowhere in the u.s canada's kind of a different story but in the u.s there's no

00:19:52.440 middle of nowhere you're always 30 minutes from a town and that town is the one who licensed it

00:19:57.540 and gave you the land and those people in that town are the ones who in five years are gonna

00:20:01.600 have to sell their homes for a dollar because the water the groundwater is so fucking polluted

00:20:06.160 that their property values are completely ruined.

00:20:09.240 There's only two expanses in America

00:20:11.960 that I could think of as an outsider

00:20:13.760 where nothing is out there.

00:20:17.000 One would be the Midwest,

00:20:19.440 but that's farmland.

00:20:20.840 And the second would be Arizona,

00:20:24.560 just the desert.

00:20:25.480 And you can't put them there.

00:20:26.880 That's like a nightmare.

00:20:28.100 Of course, I'm like,

00:20:29.220 what is not being used in great quantities?

00:20:33.060 Remember when they say

00:20:33.820 the whole thing with water, right?

00:20:35.020 the reason that they use up too much water and the water that they do use is

00:20:38.400 not recoverable right now. Anyways, with not, it's not,

00:20:41.620 it damages their, their profitability if they recover the water.

00:20:45.980 So they find ways to dump the water is because it's evaporatively cooled.

00:20:50.040 So they have like the hotter that it is, the more cooling they need.

00:20:54.120 So ideally you'd want to put it somewhere where it's cold already. Right.

00:20:58.140 So like a remote area in Northern Canada might actually be not the worst idea

00:21:02.580 to put data centers because you know putting them in the fucking arctic circle might be a decent

00:21:07.440 idea but yeah putting them in arizona exactly so the point is that's not workable if you're putting

00:21:14.000 them somewhere in the states you're always if it's a workable business plan it's going to be

00:21:17.380 somewhere that's temperate or cold and it's near people who are living there and it's going to

00:21:23.300 with their health the problem is that if you engage this discourse in any way you're already

00:21:30.740 being drawn to one side so i've got one side over here this is what kevin o'leary is literally saying

00:21:37.500 he say if you are against data centers then you have been propagandized by china right so like

00:21:45.340 there's no that's such an insane like he's up he's going podcasting that like you've been

00:21:51.720 propagandized against this and other people have said that too it's like oh you're anti-growth

00:21:56.220 you're anti this is the equivalent of like if you hate trump you're an anti-semite

00:22:00.940 which is true first of all i am and yes but also what a stupid like why are we even discussing

00:22:07.480 like and so so there's that then there's the other side which is saying that well if you're

00:22:12.380 in favor of it or if you don't hate it because it's evil but they'll say that it's evil right

00:22:19.220 because data centers are evil in and of themselves the concept of a data center of a server farm is

00:22:24.480 evil let me just say this i know i'm gonna say you said it and i'm saying this not to drag him

00:22:31.040 on the show because this ends with a bit of a chuckle but it was geoping a chatty or frank

00:22:37.060 this is in a chat um where we were talking about it he just popped in i'm like like okay so this

00:22:44.420 was going back to the mayor example i said you know you would need to believe that everyone at

00:22:49.400 every level of this is just corrupt ingredient evil and if you don't believe that then may is

00:22:55.740 there another argument for them that i'm missing here and let's just put our brilliant minds

00:23:02.240 together and he just came in and said no they are terrible ingredient evil in satanic i'm like

00:23:07.720 okay geo but i had said to him i said you know you're an anti-american guy you just hate the

00:23:15.180 great thing okay

00:23:16.520 I showed you a

00:23:19.180 headline that was saying how China

00:23:21.440 was converting

00:23:22.280 2 million acres

00:23:24.860 of their land to

00:23:26.960 one giant data center

00:23:29.480 I would beg you be over

00:23:31.160 here talking about how

00:23:32.800 we can never do that in America

00:23:34.920 no one's as innovative as China

00:23:37.020 this is going to bring down American

00:23:38.940 hedge and many of Russia was doing the same thing

00:23:41.140 you see the thing like it's only when America

00:23:43.000 does it and by the way China is doing

00:23:44.940 Yes. Oh, yeah. They're like plowing under orphanage graveyards and shit to do it.

00:24:14.940 side so it's and i hate to reduce it to this level but for a lot of the policy policy makers in

00:24:25.200 america saying because china is doing it is sufficient reason to do something here like

00:24:32.300 where we're seeing an arms race of data processing right now as you said domestically to handle all

00:24:37.760 the ai and data but also just to keep up with if this is a data arms you have two options you can

00:24:45.720 build the data centers or you can nuke china you can do one or the other but you can't do neither

00:24:50.540 if you do neither you've you could do neither but you have to admit that you're just giving up and

00:24:55.740 it's the dawn of the chinese century because they're going to do it and my point is i'm

00:25:00.980 frustrated because there are good ways to do it and the government could steer it or private

00:25:06.780 industry could steer it and that like look i'm abreast of some of the technological developments

00:25:11.600 on the on the the space side there are i think within the next years or 10 years there's going

00:25:16.320 to be tons of data centers in space but the technology doesn't exist yet so hyperscalers

00:25:21.200 who need to get their hands on the money today are doing all these plans by the way most of

00:25:26.840 these data centers will never open just so we're clear these are these are plans and they're going

00:25:31.420 to lay the groundwork and they're going to cut the deals and walk with the money and by the time

00:25:35.140 they get halfway into building them

00:25:36.860 the money is going to be

00:25:39.100 blown out of the thing because it's a fucking bubble

00:25:40.780 the hyperscaling thing is a fucking

00:25:43.080 clown show. I was afraid that we

00:25:45.140 would have missed that angle here

00:25:47.220 which is that

00:25:48.340 nothing ever gets built

00:25:51.020 you know how nothing ever happens

00:25:52.980 nothing's ever built. Right, like look

00:25:55.120 data farm, they exist

00:25:57.060 and more will be built

00:25:58.780 but to the extent that they're talking about building them

00:26:01.160 right now, it's like

00:26:02.400 fusion generators. Yeah, I was more relating

00:26:05.020 projects to like the windmill

00:26:07.000 craze that we had that maybe

00:26:08.900 were sliding but they built a lot of windmills

00:26:11.020 and none of them were running

00:26:12.260 they just built them in people's backyards

00:26:15.020 and those people got paid

00:26:16.220 a huge amount of money put them there

00:26:18.720 they cost more money than they produce and then they get

00:26:20.820 torn down and not replaced and then they're falling apart

00:26:22.980 and they're never working and so it's just

00:26:24.720 the silly thing we did

00:26:26.700 we have about like we have a handful of them

00:26:28.920 within driving distance we pass them once in a while

00:26:30.880 and there's I think already they were only put in

00:26:33.100 they were put in in the last 10 years

00:26:35.100 and three of them are down

00:26:37.140 and they've been down since I moved back

00:26:39.440 so they've been down for almost 5 years

00:26:40.760 and they're just sitting there with broken

00:26:43.280 turbine blades so like

00:26:45.320 okay great

00:26:46.640 hey did you want to build a ruin

00:26:49.140 yeah did you want to just build

00:26:51.520 a thing that breaks immediately

00:26:53.000 they're speed running ruins

00:26:55.180 can you imagine if they just built the

00:26:57.260 coliseum like it is right now

00:26:58.980 just like a hunk of shit isn't good for anything

00:27:01.460 i don't want to see death here so i'm looking at an article this is what i was talking about

00:27:10.120 the data centers this is just something i found floating around on that i'm going to read it to

00:27:13.660 you this is in relation to the utah data center says the massive utah data center called the

00:27:20.300 stratus project will be as big as 2 000 walmart's designer you're speaking to an american

00:27:26.740 it is the size of 15 million burgers yeah will need nine gigawatts of electricity

00:27:39.880 it will generate the heat equivalent of 23 atom bombs detonating every single day

00:27:47.140 in hansel valley wonderful and um i've just looked at that gone

00:27:51.700 are you sure you should pack your things and go are you sure are you sure it's gonna be 23

00:28:00.340 first of all atom bombs which atom bomb yeah it's tactical what are we talking about here a hydrogen

00:28:07.000 bomb do we really think it's gonna be like 23 nukes going off every single day what kind of

00:28:13.000 nuke like i think people are kind of you know you you inflate in your brain what a nuke is nukes

00:28:18.220 there's a lot of weak ass nukes out there

00:28:20.220 you can have a lot of like impotent nukes

00:28:22.800 Indian nukes

00:28:24.740 they found the smallest Indian nuke

00:28:26.480 they could get and that's what they're using

00:28:28.280 as a yardstick

00:28:29.060 it doesn't even register

00:28:30.760 it's just like the penises

00:28:34.600 they don't make rulers that small

00:28:36.760 you're an Indian

00:28:38.900 you're an Indian

00:28:40.920 get out the micrometer

00:28:42.400 but then you see

00:28:44.380 I'm looking at the AF post right here

00:28:46.400 massive data center is now bathing the rural town of frill well texas and constant artificial light

00:28:54.700 leading residents under 24 7 industrial glow that's what boy you're making about cities like

00:29:00.140 yeah put these in a place where there already is a constant glow constant humming sirens smoke

00:29:07.480 that's what they say it's cough noses smoke and it sounds like there's just turbines running all

00:29:14.520 the time yeah i live downtown it was like that all the time so put it put it in the center of

00:29:22.400 las vegas put it in the middle of new york city literally just drop it from the stratosphere onto

00:29:29.600 brooklyn and be rid of it and also i'm looking at it's here millville bans data centers killing

00:29:35.800 largest proposed proposed facility in new jersey history at full capacity the mass facility was

00:29:42.540 projection draw 1.4 gigawatts

00:29:44.920 I should say

00:29:46.080 if a township decides

00:29:48.740 that they don't want it they should not have it

00:29:50.660 and it should go to a vote

00:29:52.080 because it is like putting the

00:29:54.560 fucking shit factory in the middle of town

00:29:55.920 to me that's a completely

00:29:58.660 separate issue from whether or not they're

00:30:00.640 evil or whether or not they're necessary

00:30:02.340 if they're necessary then you

00:30:04.660 have to find a place to put them that doesn't

00:30:06.900 literally burn towns to the ground

00:30:08.800 some people have been correct in saying

00:30:10.740 that you know a couple years ago no one was hearing about this now this is to your point that

00:30:16.580 many of these might not reach completion that all of a sudden you're hearing about dozens and

00:30:21.940 dozens in every major city in every state in america there's going to be some yeah but it's

00:30:26.900 the hyperscalers because i mean i mean what what what didn't exist five years ago it was llms

00:30:32.180 right this is all for ai which tells me that you know ai is not going to be going away i know some

00:30:41.640 people are very not going it's definitely not going away you can't put that genie back so

00:30:45.920 yeah speaking of completely unrelated stories this came across my desk and this is going to be a bit

00:30:54.780 of a sharp turn here but let's have a look at this headline here uh you want to read that to us

00:30:59.900 Notorious vagrant known as

00:31:01.960 Pee-Pee-Poo-Poo-Man arrested on

00:31:03.860 horrifying new charges.

00:31:07.440 The Pee-Pee-Poo-Poo-Man is back.

00:31:10.120 Wicked. That's not good.

00:31:11.720 Notorious.

00:31:13.020 You have to view the name of that.

00:31:15.620 The video was just an Italian guy showing off his pizza.

00:31:18.220 Oh, this is... We're looking at the

00:31:19.620 post where they just...

00:31:21.460 They just dump other videos in there?

00:31:23.340 Oh, yeah, it's an advertisement for a show.

00:31:25.060 It's random videos.

00:31:27.300 this is the distilled

00:31:30.400 internet, this is what it is, it's just

00:31:31.920 here's the tits

00:31:33.380 a fucking WAP

00:31:35.920 reviewing another WAP's pizza

00:31:37.880 pizza, Netanyahu and

00:31:39.820 oh there he is, peepee poopoo man

00:31:41.420 is a nigger

00:31:42.940 this is a story straight from Toronto

00:31:45.020 a homeless deviant

00:31:47.580 I love reading the New York Post

00:31:49.960 I would just say vagrants

00:31:53.980 I think we're at a place politically

00:31:56.340 where we can bring back vagrants.

00:31:58.140 Yeah.

00:31:59.100 Who terrorized Toronto

00:32:00.400 with a series of vile

00:32:01.600 poop bucket attacks

00:32:02.880 in 2019

00:32:03.840 has been arrested

00:32:05.080 in connection

00:32:05.660 with two alleged

00:32:06.760 sexual assaults.

00:32:09.100 He did the pee,

00:32:10.200 he did the poo.

00:32:11.740 Now he's on the rape.

00:32:13.240 Damn, son.

00:32:14.280 Where'd you find...

00:32:15.020 God, stop!

00:32:15.620 Ass rape!

00:32:16.520 Samuel Okuku

00:32:17.880 I pee.

00:32:20.340 Wonderful.

00:32:21.140 Chef's kiss

00:32:21.780 of vagrant

00:32:22.540 has grotesque

00:32:23.380 ecal assaults

00:32:24.400 under the nickname

00:32:25.040 The Peeve

00:32:25.880 Earned him the nickname, the pee-pee-poo-poo-gabbit, dude.

00:32:30.260 Where a man entered the building with a blue hoodie, a highlighter-yellow construction hat, and a beaming smile.

00:32:37.220 The man then, quote, lugged a bucket of liquid shit inside the John P. Robarts Research Library,

00:32:45.140 pouring the contents on two unsuspecting students, with the victim stating that they would never forget the smell.

00:32:51.900 This incident would kick off one of the shortest, most unusual reigns of terror in Canadian history.

00:32:59.340 Students were terrified, and the chase began to find this elusive target.

00:33:04.160 All that was left was to give him a name, and the tired and terrified students chose the Pee-Pee-Poo-Poo Men.

00:33:14.160 Did another African name him?

00:33:16.620 he might as well named himself that that's straight out of the jungle

00:33:22.080 he had 24 in a 2024 indie film chronically the crime speed well now we have to watch that

00:33:29.280 like this we really are out of ideas

00:33:33.920 i was picked up made and charged two counts of sexual assault and indiesis exposure

00:33:39.320 a group of women were walking on the sidewalk when he approached them and made sexual advances

00:33:43.480 towards one of the women grabbing her forearm.

00:33:47.580 He allegedly sexually assaulted her and fled,

00:33:50.540 according to police.

00:33:52.000 A day later, he followed the woman

00:33:53.320 into a commercial office building

00:33:55.300 and assaulted her after approaching her from behind

00:33:57.500 and running away again.

00:33:59.240 I need to know what you did, though,

00:34:00.580 because we know sexual assault,

00:34:02.160 that's a very broad term.

00:34:06.040 That could be rape.

00:34:08.220 That could also be honking her buttock.

00:34:10.840 now i'm not you know i don't want to see this guy look at him this this is an ape man is that him

00:34:18.740 that's him that's wild man because he looks like an american black he doesn't look like an african

00:34:24.260 we got those here but like but his name's sammy opoku like he's he's african black yeah i think

00:34:32.140 he does doesn't he well he looks like he's from chicago in the photo he's in the uh prison orange

00:34:40.140 oh that's it because he's wearing prison orange yeah put him in like uh put the give him a spear

00:34:44.700 yeah paint his face yeah i see it give him a t-shirt that says fifa on it

00:34:51.340 or um you know like a sweater that says versace put him on the cover of the 10th anniversary dvd

00:34:58.620 box set of uh the gods must be crazy this is a certified dead nigger storage this guy he's

00:35:04.700 He's doing fecal attacks, he's back, and he's flicking nips.

00:35:09.820 Because it doesn't sound like rape.

00:35:12.160 But you do need to know, don't you?

00:35:15.700 It might be enough for people to say, look at this.

00:35:18.400 Look at this savage.

00:35:20.000 No, you're right.

00:35:20.560 There's more to this.

00:35:21.500 It's not that simple.

00:35:22.400 We should find out exactly what it was.

00:35:25.460 Yeah, I'm not trying to jump to the defense of pee-pee-poo-poo-man.

00:35:29.440 just the dimes brands can't be associated with that in that way but i think we are are we talking

00:35:40.380 about like he he kind of he slid underneath their skirt you know on the floor become one of those

00:35:48.300 fucking flat with the wheels that your mechanics use yeah dolly like he's sliding under dolly to

00:35:55.960 get on upstairs not taking a photo not with a camera just getting a peek this look i don't i

00:36:03.700 don't like that this guy's out there doing that harassing also what's the race of the woman no

00:36:08.000 one said that group of women true okay black women if it's black is it even a crime trans women

00:36:16.460 trans women yeah is that is that what the pee pee poop a man is into now is it even a crime

00:36:23.860 according to you. Fascinating.

00:36:26.020 They don't care.

00:36:27.640 This is why I always say liberals are the real racist.

00:36:32.340 I'm defending them in court.

00:36:34.020 Your honor.

00:36:36.240 What race was

00:36:37.900 the bitch?

00:36:42.300 My nigga client.

00:36:46.180 What's your game, Dimes?

00:36:48.700 Mr. Dimes approach the bitch.

00:36:51.140 I don't know

00:36:52.100 what you played at.

00:36:53.860 but you better be going somewhere with this

00:36:58.560 alright

00:37:01.040 wanna see some other dumb shit

00:37:03.600 yeah buddy

00:37:04.680 on this book

00:37:05.820 published by

00:37:07.660 Strangers in a Tangled Wilderness

00:37:09.940 what's the title here

00:37:12.280 Escape from Insel Island

00:37:15.120 uh oh

00:37:17.340 it's a fiction book

00:37:18.600 written by

00:37:20.060 Marguerite Killjoy

00:37:22.940 So we had so many cases of nominative determinism in this episode so far.

00:37:30.180 Sammy Opuku, the guy who throws poo at people,

00:37:33.440 and this dumb fucking Karen bitch named Margaret Killjoy.

00:37:38.120 It just sounds trans, doesn't it?

00:37:40.540 It's perfect, yeah.

00:37:42.260 Can we get the tagline here?

00:37:44.780 Someone's about to get laid to rest.

00:37:48.760 I see that.

00:37:50.300 And I say, oh, this isn't serious.

00:37:52.940 I heard that there's an incel book, Lord of the Flies or something like that.

00:37:56.920 And I'm thinking, interesting, because I've heard about a movie or two coming out about making fun of trad women, trad wives.

00:38:05.580 What happens when we enter, either enter into the incel world or there come others?

00:38:11.400 And it's about a trad wife that gets sent back in time and she gets to see what's really like.

00:38:16.600 the protagonist is a trans woman

00:38:20.640 named Mankiller Jones

00:38:22.400 who's a spec ops assassin

00:38:23.820 we must read the entire thing

00:38:25.340 so for people going into this

00:38:27.880 is this a feminist spoof

00:38:31.520 let's see what it is

00:38:33.680 this is $20

00:38:34.880 to cope with rising misogynist violence

00:38:39.500 the US government offers people

00:38:41.240 a golden opportunity

00:38:42.600 any meds they're owed a free woman

00:38:45.680 could move to a remote island and be given one their offer was of course a trap five years later

00:38:52.400 wise first of all i just love that it's like we'll give you a free girlfriend you go to this island

00:38:58.160 and then we just didn't give it to them five years later they're still on the island yeah uh

00:39:07.120 five years later wise cracking special ops mercenary can you be a special ops mercenary

00:39:14.000 it's not like you're you're stack offs the military or you're a mercenary i guess like

00:39:20.260 mercenaries that fill the same operational role but if you're like if you're like you wouldn't

00:39:27.200 want just a guy there would you are do i not know what i'm talking about i know i don't know what

00:39:32.720 i'm talking about so and they're and their companion we gotta pay them dr morrison they

00:39:40.000 venture to incel island on an important mission for the military just do it right and say yeah

00:39:47.460 it's it's for the american military what branch the army just the navy instead of me and in the

00:39:56.140 process become the first women or people perceived as women that's in brackets the habits of incel

00:40:03.760 island have seen in years along with the rags which is which tells you that this is a bad

00:40:08.900 strategy it's like these are the we got an island of rapists and we're going to send the malady

00:40:14.180 woman woman moment uh along with a ragtag group of nice guys mad killer you see this is what's

00:40:22.600 why along with the ragtag group nice guys so like even like the the men who are like helping you

00:40:27.640 get the insults of their fights these are my like nice guy like friend zone slaves

00:40:33.660 Medkiller and Dr. Morrison

00:40:35.860 encounter hordes a chudge

00:40:37.320 Volsails, Vedas, and the

00:40:39.640 King of Incels himself as they try

00:40:41.660 to escape the island prison.

00:40:44.280 He also finds like they're sent in there

00:40:45.880 on a mission, but then

00:40:47.740 their mission is to immediately leave.

00:40:51.720 Their mission, if you choose to accept

00:40:53.640 it, is get an airdrop on this island and get the

00:40:55.700 fuck out, you bitch.

00:40:58.020 Here's what I like about this book.

00:40:59.520 And this is, aside from

00:41:01.380 a feminist overtones,

00:41:03.660 said occasionally

00:41:04.960 you'll encounter a book written by

00:41:07.860 an author. An author who writes

00:41:09.840 a lot of fiction. And they'll say something

00:41:11.820 like, I had so much fun writing this.

00:41:15.360 And this sounds

00:41:16.160 like something that's not

00:41:17.720 to be taken seriously. It's goofy.

00:41:20.280 It's retarded on purpose.

00:41:22.840 But that to me

00:41:24.060 is despicable.

00:41:27.160 I hate

00:41:28.060 shit like that. I hate when authors have

00:41:29.820 fun writing.

00:41:31.100 imagine her

00:41:32.960 chuckling to herself

00:41:34.880 as she was writing this

00:41:36.400 man killer Jones

00:41:37.900 no writing should be suffering

00:41:41.440 that's how you know you're doing it

00:41:42.960 that's how you know you're doing a good job

00:41:44.860 no writer should be having fun

00:41:47.220 while writing

00:41:48.420 and you shouldn't be having fun while reading

00:41:51.300 actually

00:41:52.000 I don't know when you're reading it

00:41:55.460 and you're laughing

00:41:56.120 have you laughed at the book you sicko

00:41:58.100 you meant to

00:42:00.560 you're out on the subway

00:42:03.280 or walking in the park

00:42:04.860 and you see someone read it and they have a smile

00:42:06.800 on their face

00:42:07.580 no they should be like sighing

00:42:10.860 and trying to look away from the book

00:42:12.420 I will slaughter you when you stand

00:42:14.800 my cat just smiling into a book

00:42:17.220 I don't care what it is

00:42:19.620 better be ironic

00:42:21.260 I better look at the cover

00:42:22.940 and it says you know

00:42:24.680 six ways to flay

00:42:26.680 penis I'm like okay

00:42:27.980 they're smiling for me

00:42:30.400 they know i'm watching because this is obviously terrible they're keep you're breaking the fourth

00:42:35.220 wall of life their life and making me the audience aware that i'm watching them i appreciate shit

00:42:42.360 like that you shall stay my blade do you hear about this mosque shooting yeah we were having

00:42:52.060 a laugh about that one with one of my boomers this afternoon in the shop begin tonight with

00:42:57.740 more information about that deadly shooting at the Islamic Center of San Diego that left three

00:43:02.120 victims dead after two teens allegedly opened fire on the mosque Monday morning. Police say the two

00:43:07.980 teen suspects are also dead from apparent self-inflicted gunshot wounds. In the vehicle

00:43:13.040 they used, we also identified writings and various ideologies outlining religious and racial beliefs

00:43:18.820 of how the world they envisioned should look. These subjects did not discriminate on who they hated.

00:43:24.920 that's a great thing to say we were having a laugh at the mosque shootings

00:43:30.480 it was funny it is it is fun the the the neo-nazi angle was my favorite part okay you tell me the

00:43:38.840 story tell me you're talking to a boom what you laugh about what does he think is going on what's

00:43:45.360 the story that the average bob and i were hanging out in the shop and the boomer came in and it's

00:43:50.540 my favorite boomer because he always just wants to he wants to just the only thing he wants to

00:43:54.380 talk about his racist shit because he knows that i'll talk to him so he comes in and immediately

00:43:58.640 he's like these fucking indians are both he's like you hear about the mosque shooting so we

00:44:02.300 launched and we're like yeah they were both neo-nazis he's like wait what were you what are

00:44:06.180 you talking about so yeah the hispanic cholo who shot the place up and the like the muslim guy who

00:44:12.540 killed the shooter both of them had like identical social media profiles just saying

00:44:17.900 fuck israel gas the kikes race for now they're both groopers which is they're both groopers

00:44:23.680 so that's that's the that's what i saw too i saw i didn't know if they were credible or not but

00:44:32.300 it's out there i guess we're saying it and um you're repeating that there was two so i'm looking

00:44:38.180 at the associated press teenage gunmen open fire on san diego mosque killing free men and then

00:44:44.280 themselves and we have the names here these were um like a 17 year old and an 18 year old and uh

00:44:53.280 One of them, we have a manifesto here from the group known as the Sons of Terrence, Brandon Terrence, of course, and T.A. San Diego Mosque Gunman appeared to have held left by the shocking, hateful manifesto.

00:45:10.280 Cain Clark is one of them, and Caleb Vasquez is another.

00:45:15.720 So Cain Clark sounds white to me, but doesn't look white.

00:45:20.440 Looks trans.

00:45:21.360 I don't have to make of that

00:45:23.240 you could have a Mexican

00:45:25.980 and a tranny

00:45:28.060 who just shot

00:45:30.200 a Muslim

00:45:30.960 and they all love Hitler

00:45:33.460 that's a story I'm getting

00:45:35.940 from this

00:45:36.660 not a white man of the bunch

00:45:40.040 and I look

00:45:42.060 at that and I say

00:45:42.840 the discourse is completed

00:45:44.740 we're done

00:45:51.340 there's nothing more we can do like if we were to do more what would be the purpose when everything

00:45:56.700 we've ever dreamed of has already been achieved we're dinosaurs white men have just been decoupled

00:46:03.020 from this entire thing we're not we're not even shooting people anymore we're not doing any of

00:46:07.580 these acts you have mexicans and trannies do all of it and muslims are involved it's like i'm

00:46:12.700 i feel more sidelined than i've ever been in the past sure okay he's like tranny shooting a mosque

00:46:19.820 cartels uh go after synagogues uh okay i guess uh i guess we're gonna goon cartels aren't real

00:46:32.280 how about cartels israel yeah how about cartels israel yeah i'm loving the questions emerging

00:46:42.080 from this episode no one's thought these questions before but yeah i'm not gonna read

00:46:47.920 You know, we got the

00:46:49.200 Sondra around here, New Crusade,

00:46:51.160 Sons of Terrence.

00:46:53.300 If you've read one, you've read them all.

00:46:56.020 I skim this.

00:46:57.680 If the Jews,

00:46:59.060 this and that,

00:47:00.840 Nazi stuff, etc.

00:47:03.300 Nazi stuff, etc.

00:47:04.540 That's about it. Okay. This is what the

00:47:06.880 Great Replacement looks like.

00:47:08.560 It's hard.

00:47:10.540 I mean, I mean.

00:47:12.740 This is the Great Replacement.

00:47:16.080 Yeah, the

00:47:16.780 The pair denounced Republicans, leftists, Jews, pagans, Muslims, transgenders, conservatives, Donald Trump, black people, other minorities, women, and even Ic Fuentes.

00:47:30.140 If you tell me that they were related to that 764 group or Word of the Night Eagles, I guess I'd...

00:47:37.740 I feel like we would actually have got along with both of these guys.

00:47:40.340 i've seen videos of them doing you know tiktok dances to like fash wave shit they're young

00:47:48.940 that's what everyone does now so i'm just out of touch everyone's been pointing to a

00:47:53.620 a photo that was taken from the scene where there's a red gas canister with you know the

00:47:59.120 ss lighting bolts on it which is a strange thing to bring like you you put put that sticker on it

00:48:06.460 and then placed it very carefully

00:48:08.940 where it could be photographed.

00:48:10.560 People are saying it's an ob.

00:48:12.760 Because you're going to get that.

00:48:14.700 Every single time,

00:48:15.640 this is an ob,

00:48:17.580 this is the CIA did it.

00:48:19.440 Yeah, sure.

00:48:20.820 Yes and no.

00:48:23.260 Everything's the CIA and not the CIA,

00:48:25.220 pretty much.

00:48:26.120 But also, I tend to think that

00:48:28.320 this sort of shit can happen.

00:48:31.000 It's not the most complicated thing

00:48:32.500 in the world to do.

00:48:33.360 sound like detonating

00:48:36.620 a nuke in a

00:48:38.340 stadium.

00:48:40.400 This isn't the sum of all fears.

00:48:43.080 A couple of American

00:48:44.540 youths shot up a place.

00:48:47.360 I'm actually surprised

00:48:48.440 it doesn't happen more often.

00:48:51.300 Yeah, so that's

00:48:52.380 the end of that.

00:48:54.240 Best of luck.

00:48:56.500 White people are over.

00:48:58.560 There is a new king.

00:49:01.760 They had a good run.

00:49:02.820 They got the Discord messages from all of them, like literally posting Hitler memes, like anti-Jewish other stuff.

00:49:11.980 I'm like, okay.

00:49:13.340 Does that not imply that they all could have got along, though?

00:49:16.600 See, you've got all these, you've got the Hispanic, you've got the white tranny, and then the Muslim.

00:49:21.520 But you guys are all on the same telegram groups.

00:49:24.900 There is something salient in this.

00:49:29.580 and as much as probably most of it's not true and it may even be an op but i was thinking about

00:49:35.800 like i'm not in forts chat anymore right but there's this fucking guy in forts chat who's a

00:49:41.480 muslim he's white raised christian i think rural homesteading farming farming you know homeschooling

00:49:51.120 uh family values canadian ethnic nationalist the only thing about him that makes no fucking sense

00:49:57.660 is he's a muslim and it's like i have to i mean we gotta we gotta string you up man because you're

00:50:06.780 a fucking muslim i got into them today we don't i i fucking hate that guy but here's the thing

00:50:11.560 the reason i so viscerally hate him isn't just because he's a muslim although that would be

00:50:17.420 enough because i do deeply hate all muslims but it's because it's that poison pill of can we and

00:50:24.360 i feel like i sometimes think that guy might actually be an op himself but the the idea that

00:50:31.000 you could take one core pillar of what makes a man one of us and flip it 180 and line everything

00:50:38.040 else up like dominoes and make it like it's perfectly lined up and it's he's completely

00:50:42.200 on board with everything else but he's muslim and then just see how far you can push it how

00:50:46.360 many people will accept you how deep into the group yeah if i can just expand on that a bit

00:50:51.240 And I just want to trawl up drama for the show.

00:50:55.100 But as I said, I did get into it with that guy.

00:50:58.080 I know who you're talking about.

00:50:58.980 I'm not going to say his name.

00:51:00.360 But he was in the chat.

00:51:02.160 He's been there for a while.

00:51:02.920 He was seen as an eccentric personality.

00:51:06.080 And he had Muslim in his name.

00:51:07.860 And he's an open Muslim.

00:51:10.340 And him and I had gone into arguments before.

00:51:13.560 But something had happened today.

00:51:17.180 And I forget how exactly.

00:51:19.420 apparently there's also a jewish guy in there and they were making the joke that it was the jew who

00:51:24.300 triggered the muslim in the goy to fight and i said that's fine uh i might even thank him because

00:51:31.740 the trick was we started talking about rape statistics in the pay and you know in the hay

00:51:38.380 obviously there's a problem with migrants raping everyone but he was denied that and he said

00:51:44.460 you're white, you're actually

00:51:47.500 the number one rapist over there

00:51:49.500 he's already kind of talking

00:51:50.940 like a Muslim immigrant

00:51:53.520 and this is a white guy

00:51:54.980 but he adopted a framing

00:51:56.620 of an Arab

00:51:58.860 basically

00:52:00.080 which is Ali Al-Arm because Islam is

00:52:03.280 sort of an Arab centered religion

00:52:05.220 you take on their cultural characteristics

00:52:07.460 if you enter into it

00:52:09.060 but he was showing statistics

00:52:11.760 showing that there are

00:52:13.760 no half the status really and there are no africans really they're raping anyone it's the whites that

00:52:18.760 are the problem which is insanely and i pointed out that the grooming gangs yeah i'm like what

00:52:23.860 about those movies that have like three pounds of women that even the the government has mentioned

00:52:27.560 he's like no there's there's no evidence that if anything it was white people doing it

00:52:32.240 yeah see this is so this is my problem this guy is clearly a fucking bad actor

00:52:37.340 that i didn't see that conversation because i'm not in the chat but for me that cements it

00:52:41.540 he's not act i don't think he even is who he says he is he's clearly a bad actor who is sent here to

00:52:46.680 to me i wanted to just close on this by saying a lot of people in our space want to build bridges

00:52:55.200 and broker friendships with muslims because muslims right now especially the islamists

00:53:00.460 are very anti-semitic and i understand that and we've been talking about this for years

00:53:05.440 and we've lost listeners over this as well over our position on this but i said i'd be open to

00:53:12.600 pursuing that just like with jews i'd be open to pursuing allegiances if i'd ever seen it work

00:53:21.320 if it had ever worked this has been true guys this has been tried there's been some of the

00:53:26.840 instances where people on the far right or you know white affirming whatever you want to call

00:53:31.940 have tried to part of jews and it's ended in disaster and tears and subversion every single

00:53:36.740 time speaking with muslims i'm like this has happened in my direct experience half a dozen

00:53:42.500 times i've spoken to half a dozen of this type of guy sometimes white sometimes brown sometimes

00:53:49.940 indeterminate but they are muslims and they'll be in our spaces and they'll purport to be you know

00:53:56.900 western affirming white affirming sometimes they're in the multi-clarity sphere sometimes

00:54:02.100 they're they're nationalists themselves or they'll say that they are and you know they'll be in these

00:54:08.500 circles these private groups and um a lot of people are welcoming to them but i'm like if

00:54:13.460 you just scratch beneath the surface man every single time the first time you start to just

00:54:19.060 reach each other all comes out so with indians you know they want to be you know accepted and

00:54:24.500 acquiescent all the time, but the moment you kind of raise

00:54:26.600 your voice, all of a sudden it's

00:54:28.220 that's why we're replacing you, you white

00:54:30.640 dogs. Ha ha ha. The moment

00:54:32.600 you disagree with these guys, now he's

00:54:34.380 I think I've seen this happen

00:54:36.540 where they start saying that

00:54:37.680 the Muslim rape, child

00:54:40.580 rape gangs weren't real

00:54:42.280 and insofar as

00:54:44.580 they were real, these

00:54:46.380 white children deserved it because they're whores.

00:54:49.060 Like you can call me crazy all

00:54:50.560 you fucking want. Like I did in

00:54:52.320 sewing discussions with these people that have that's right around the corner every time and i

00:54:56.140 won't be party to that i won't be party to all these fucking allies who who that can be the test

00:55:03.200 as much as you think that you'll have in common politically ask them where they stand on the

00:55:09.640 proven cases of like raping children what do they think about that do they deny it well then what

00:55:16.260 what can you do with these people

00:55:18.460 and they're usually

00:55:20.660 dumb and annoying too like they're not good

00:55:22.800 to be around

00:55:23.540 I'm not saying you need to be Christian because we have pagans

00:55:26.780 and atheists and all kinds in our group but I'm like

00:55:28.660 these motherfuckers they're

00:55:30.360 extremely subversive and they're very sneaky

00:55:33.000 and slippery with their language

00:55:35.100 and something's going on

00:55:36.740 where they think that they can appeal

00:55:38.260 to your anti-semitism

00:55:40.700 and also like your

00:55:42.140 ethnic like I want what's best for the

00:55:44.820 whites. No, you fucking don't. He also

00:55:46.680 says that as Jews.

00:55:49.420 He also says that as everyone

00:55:50.720 that's been fucking me over my entire life.

00:55:54.000 Sorry, I cut you off

00:55:54.980 there. What are you going to say? No, no, that's correct. I'm saying

00:55:56.600 that's the one thing.

00:55:58.660 This is exactly the thing that we deal with with Jews.

00:56:00.660 Jews are not the only ones capable of

00:56:02.700 pulling these fucking tricks. As you said, Indians do

00:56:04.700 exactly the same thing, right?

00:56:06.540 Essentially, the issues that whites have

00:56:08.480 with Jews, Jews are just the

00:56:10.660 worst offender. But the Chinese,

00:56:13.020 the Indians, and Muslims

00:56:14.200 all do exactly the same thing they play the game where they're on your side and they will learn the

00:56:19.780 language and they'll learn the culture and they'll play along and they'll integrate and the only

00:56:24.000 reason they're doing it is so that they can insert the fucking knife between your l4 l5

00:56:30.320 fucking lumbar the minute your back is turned they all have to go and you it's just like with jews

00:56:36.460 there can be no exceptions we're past the point of trying it one more time we're past the point

00:56:42.380 of making exceptions for a guy you've known a really long time and he's just so nice and your

00:56:46.680 kids are friends we're we're past that okay it's been 200 fucking years it's been longer than that

00:56:51.980 actually cut it out please no matter what underneath the surface sam ring is on their

00:56:57.540 side will be the belief that you deserve to be conquered you are weak and all your women are

00:57:03.860 whores including your very young daughters who are dressing the way they're like you can call

00:57:07.980 be crazy i've just seen it personally so many times i've given it a chance i've even tried to

00:57:13.500 work with jews in the past over like many many years and like the same look we've all we've all

00:57:19.420 tried cooperating with right-wing jews we didn't get here by just being fucking this racist all

00:57:25.740 the time our racism came from experience like we we have both in our not recently but in our lives

00:57:31.040 tried to cooperate with like quote-unquote based jews and they fucking they fuck you exactly the

00:57:37.240 same way any normal jew would because they're fucking jews it's the scorpion they can't help

00:57:41.380 themselves i want to live in a work dare to imagine a world where non-jews do things

00:57:49.420 everyone thinks you need to get anything done you need to work with jews i don't know i'm

00:57:55.300 romantic i'm a believer i just don't fucking want it i don't want to deal with them anymore

00:58:00.720 and i know on a customer basis if you're selling a product of course but i'm like

00:58:05.320 i want nothing to do with having you partnering with me i want nothing i've been on the receiving

00:58:12.240 end of so much bullshit from these people who were claiming to be based or whatever

00:58:18.920 you know we've got we're spooked now we're coming we're coming crawling back all kinds of money

00:58:25.600 flowing into the right because there's too many browns and blacks on the left who are anti-zionist

00:58:31.540 well where can we go come over here

00:58:33.500 we're going to start buying people off

00:58:35.900 because they're terrified

00:58:37.600 of that situation

00:58:39.700 they're creating for themselves

00:58:40.860 I'm telling you stuff you already know

00:58:43.440 yeah buddy

00:58:44.420 so before I get to my

00:58:47.180 book that I want to read and it's going to be

00:58:49.420 a meaty one this time

00:58:51.460 there's quite a bit to talk about

00:58:53.160 I want to know

00:58:55.180 the Judas tape

00:58:57.420 on

00:58:59.360 Chug the Builder

00:59:01.460 you felt you heard about this guy yeah i mean my take is not original i think i'm kind of saying

00:59:07.100 what a lot of people are saying at this point which is just he you know he's not for me he's

00:59:12.160 not i wouldn't be doing that i don't especially considering you have a business and children and

00:59:16.740 a wife i wouldn't be doing any of this shit yeah well if you know his story like he the reason he's

00:59:21.660 doing this is actually because he lost his job and had his life ruined by fucking nigger activists

00:59:26.160 like left-wing activists so this is he's essentially trying to he's treat things of

00:59:30.460 himself as an activist and i guess what i was getting to is what he's doing is not for me and

00:59:35.480 i wouldn't be taking those risks but i say the same thing about tom sewell who i have sowles or

00:59:39.820 who i have a lot of respect for which is i'm glad somebody's taking the risk because what he's doing

00:59:44.020 is actually important and i i think that this being a public trial is at the very least even

00:59:49.600 if it doesn't move the needle it is showing once and for all that we do live in a society where

00:59:54.960 saying the n-word will put you in prison for life, right? Because that was a clear-cut case of

01:00:01.540 self-defense. It's Derek Chauvin levels of he didn't do nothing. Viral videos circulating

01:00:07.900 online purports to show the chaotic aftermath of a racist streamer allegedly shooting a black man

01:00:13.460 outside a Tennessee courthouse. Streamer Chud the Builder, whose real name is Dalton Etherly,

01:00:19.220 shot the unidentified man during a scuffle on May 13th

01:00:23.480 outside of the courthouse in Clarksville,

01:00:25.560 according to the DA,

01:00:26.960 who said Chud also accidentally shot himself

01:00:29.480 during the confrontation.

01:00:31.280 There's a lot of things you can say

01:00:33.160 and none of them will be original.

01:00:35.440 There's one post that I saw

01:00:37.700 from someone who follows me and I follow him

01:00:41.900 and I've had a lot to disagree with him

01:00:43.980 about the past few months

01:00:46.540 because he's generally pro-Trump.

01:00:48.600 he's a plan truster but he had said this is fugitive caesar otherwise known as billionaire

01:00:54.040 psycho he had said chug the builder is our rosa parks which is to say a professional agitator

01:01:01.740 who causes trouble picks fights flirts the legal edge and goes on harassing people by making an

01:01:07.540 uncomfortable public seat in order to advance new legal protections for white americans

01:01:12.040 I like that

01:01:14.000 yeah I just I don't

01:01:16.040 think it has any chance of success but I

01:01:17.860 don't think that means it's necessarily useless

01:01:20.000 and I agree with it

01:01:21.140 to echo your point I would say

01:01:23.320 I defend him in

01:01:26.040 principle yeah I defend

01:01:27.960 him people say it once

01:01:29.620 is it really free speech if he's

01:01:32.160 agitating people the way

01:01:34.040 he is and he's being so aggressive I say yeah

01:01:35.960 maybe no but what's so funny about

01:01:38.060 it is it the whole point to free speech

01:01:40.120 is that if you can

01:01:42.040 consider speech to be aggressive that's your fucking problem because he's not aggressive

01:01:46.240 he's not walking around pushing people and shouting at people and being rude he all he only

01:01:51.040 he doesn't escalate he only ever responds to people in kind so he'll say politely to them he's

01:01:56.080 like he'll say like in a low tone he's like you're not going to chip out are you and then they start

01:02:00.080 chimping out he's like look at you you're chimping out you fucking people say to me well what if it

01:02:04.840 was a black guy going around you that's white people we laugh to which i would say i'd want

01:02:10.260 that black guy shot and they'd say at times you're a hypocrite i'd say yeah i don't care

01:02:16.460 but also do you know what you who i am i like that he's doing it i don't like when people i

01:02:24.180 don't like her doing it sorry what would happen if a muslim was going around calling you if you're

01:02:31.000 whatever yeah i'd want him to get thrown into a fire i don't think the docks clip the boondocks

01:02:36.560 come. He's like, oh, wait a second. I don't have to deal

01:02:38.640 with this. I'm white. Yeah, I don't need

01:02:40.680 to follow your rules anymore, because

01:02:42.580 seriously, I'm a white man. I make

01:02:44.640 the rules. Sorry.

01:02:47.240 Well, I'm sorry.

01:02:48.940 I like my guys. I don't like your

01:02:50.600 guys. But...

01:02:52.860 But really, though,

01:02:54.800 he's not doing anything.

01:02:56.760 There's a free speech angle, yes.

01:02:58.840 But then there's the

01:03:00.200 agitator angle, which I also

01:03:02.440 stand by in principle. Also, there's the story

01:03:04.800 you told where he's doing this because he has life ruined that's what i would love to see the

01:03:09.420 conclusion of it that he does miraculously get away with it because then the full story would be

01:03:17.000 here's what happens when you ruin the life of someone like him a guy like him who by the way

01:03:23.120 deserves all the credit in the world for making that type of mustache acceptable again

01:03:29.440 hell yeah that was a type of hipster almost like waxed tip mustache like like a 1850 strong man

01:03:39.620 you couldn't wear that for a long time they are ruined by the skinny whips he brought it back

01:03:46.580 he brought a new type of facial hair back thank the lord praise be and but you know the story of

01:03:55.060 him if you ruin this guy's life if you ruin the life of someone like him some white guy what he's

01:04:01.880 going to do is he's going to go into your street and start calling you a nigger and start in fights

01:04:06.400 and then he's going to get away with it i would love that to be the story is that you're going

01:04:10.840 to think twice about how each of the builders are going to make and then have legal precedent to do

01:04:16.460 what they're doing and that's why of course they said his bail bond at what 2.4 million dollars

01:04:23.300 one point some into the millions and a major example of them and i haven't said all that

01:04:31.480 there's a couple of things as you said i never watched this type of content before or his um

01:04:38.640 because i had seen before um this type of thing all the irl live streamers were doing something

01:04:48.080 like this this is what baked alaska was doing if you'll remember you know they always say that the

01:04:54.160 first uh introduction of any new type of media is just a new way to reduce pornography the first

01:05:01.620 photograph is pornographic the first movie was like the pornographic in some way uh when it comes

01:05:08.100 to area culture anytime a new media type opens up it's just a new platform to save the effort

01:05:15.960 the very first social media post the very first forum post or one of them image board post the

01:05:24.540 very first live streamer you ever saw that went out there with a speaker on their shoulder that

01:05:29.900 was reading live chat loudly in public what do you think the first thing they said oh

01:05:34.160 nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger just to see what happens so just that's all to say

01:05:40.640 i'm old enough and i've seen this before so i didn't find it particularly entertaining because

01:05:45.140 you know unfortunately most people maybe half the people who are watching chug the builder

01:05:54.820 we're watching him just because they knew something like this was going to happen

01:05:58.780 yes on a long enough timeline someone's getting shot and that's what we want to watch a catastrophe

01:06:05.620 and just uh laugh at him and fuck with him or just see someone die and so yeah this was he

01:06:11.860 should have known that was destined to happen the bigger he got something like this was inevitable

01:06:17.340 furthermore once i saw his expression in the courtroom once they said his bail amount how high

01:06:25.260 it was it seemed to cascade down upon him the severity of what he's there but you know i would

01:06:33.500 if i had his ear and it was beside him i would have said you know there's a lot of areas in

01:06:40.120 society that we've made great strides

01:06:42.300 in normalizing our

01:06:44.220 rhetoric or moving attention window,

01:06:46.300 the one area we've made

01:06:48.020 no ground on is

01:06:50.100 law. It's the courtroom.

01:06:52.500 That's the one place where

01:06:53.700 they will still open. I don't,

01:06:56.160 I think that's the one place where you're just legally

01:06:58.160 allowed to rape a white man

01:06:59.480 is in court. And you just watch

01:07:02.220 any video, pick a video

01:07:03.560 for YouTube about something that's happening in the courtroom

01:07:06.240 somewhere in America right now. There's some

01:07:08.120 miscarriage of justice occurring.

01:07:10.120 And so I'm like, once they get you in there, they're not going to play well.

01:07:14.600 You have to know that goal.

01:07:15.840 I don't think he understood that he could be set up to be a martyr,

01:07:21.100 which is what he's going to be.

01:07:22.460 They're going to make an example out of him.

01:07:24.600 They made an example of Derek Chaville, didn't they?

01:07:27.680 That wasn't that long ago, really.

01:07:29.960 Is he out yet?

01:07:30.940 You've seen what they're willing to do with people like us.

01:07:33.360 So they almost need to go into it with assuming that if the ESD inevitable happens,

01:07:39.580 and i'm going to prison they'll make that they will or the entire weight of the state i mean just

01:07:45.180 uh they're not gonna play fair one one of the many things of course again that like trump could

01:07:50.480 have easily pardoned chauvin but he's still in the clink so yeah exactly if we the time we do that

01:07:57.540 no one's gonna hate to say that because blacks still care about george floyd a lot they do which

01:08:04.240 is weird well that's my point in bringing it up it's like people act like we've come so far

01:08:08.220 But even, like, your favorite fucking president, who's apparently so based, won't even push back on the courts where white men, normal, you know, white men like Derek Chauvin or like Chad the Builder are just going to get, like, consecutive life sentences for doing literally fucking nothing for defending themselves or just doing their jobs.

01:08:26.040 And even Trump, who's literally the president of the United States, it won't do anything.

01:08:30.240 so he'll he'll pardon a bunch of fucking jewish money lenders he'll pardon rapists he'll pardon

01:08:36.080 child rapists but he won't pardon chauvin and he won't pardon you there's no way he'll pardon

01:08:41.580 let's have a look at the crossing of the streams with our previous story uh if you read the

01:08:47.720 manifesto of the moss shooter they list one of their usernames on x apparently uh recently

01:08:56.040 recently, it was May 16th,

01:08:59.320 one of the shooters was not

01:09:00.860 a fan of Chud the Builder.

01:09:03.320 This is all just

01:09:04.800 based on screenshots I'm seeing, but

01:09:06.720 it's in response to a post

01:09:08.720 saying that Chud the Builder's bond has been set

01:09:10.560 at $1.25 million. That's the number.

01:09:13.440 Carmelo Anthony's bond

01:09:14.600 was $250,000. So

01:09:16.380 here's the white guy again, but here's the black guy.

01:09:19.080 Carmelo, by the way, Carmelo

01:09:20.600 who actually did murder someone,

01:09:23.180 right, and it publicly

01:09:24.740 publicly murdered someone chud didn't actually murder anyone he just discharged his firearm

01:09:29.260 while knocked down defending himself against an attack carmelo was not attacked it was not

01:09:35.080 self-defense and he did actually commit a murder so someone um responds like i'm here to watch you

01:09:41.840 destroy your career then chud sell griper which is the name one of the shoes has support for what

01:09:47.620 a trashy white dude acting more like an obnoxious nigger than the niggers he was calling niggers

01:09:53.580 You know, that's what it is.

01:09:54.540 Thanks, Gryphers.

01:09:55.780 You can always count on the Gryphers, right?

01:09:58.040 Yeah, they're saying that this is low IQ.

01:10:01.660 But it works.

01:10:04.080 I like it.

01:10:05.480 Wait, you don't like low IQ shit?

01:10:08.020 What's your favorite show?

01:10:10.940 These niggas are watching Euphoria.

01:10:13.260 Call me low IQ for my entertainment consumption.

01:10:16.560 Here's a mark against him.

01:10:18.760 This is something that I saw prior to the shooting.

01:10:22.700 he had made a post

01:10:24.120 and the posts were him probably

01:10:26.640 saying that the next step

01:10:28.540 here is

01:10:30.040 dead Nick lying on the pavement

01:10:32.600 and me getting away with it.

01:10:36.300 That's a post from him.

01:10:38.800 A little bit risqué.

01:10:42.500 He didn't need to say it.

01:10:44.300 Yep.

01:10:45.160 You could have left that one in the GC, my friend.

01:10:47.060 Yeah, you could have left that one.

01:10:48.100 GC could have left that in a draft.

01:10:50.180 Because, again, like I was saying,

01:10:52.700 you have to think of yourself in the courtroom

01:10:55.140 and which of

01:10:56.680 your comments and posts you're willing to stand by

01:10:59.160 and that's

01:11:01.100 you preemptively laughing at a judge

01:11:03.440 that's you say

01:11:05.160 I'm going to get away with

01:11:06.920 murder that I'm planning

01:11:09.120 right now but like all you

01:11:11.240 need is the wrong judge

01:11:13.280 and you're going to get a spike conviction

01:11:15.360 like you're

01:11:17.260 you're working

01:11:18.900 I wish he wasn't working so

01:11:21.180 passionately against himself

01:11:23.680 so if anything

01:11:27.520 that's going to fuck him up it's going to be his

01:11:29.500 words unfortunately

01:11:30.940 there's a book I want

01:11:33.700 to cover that I'm very excited

01:11:35.680 about

01:11:36.120 so this one took a bit

01:11:39.600 of time to get through and

01:11:41.720 I was really looking forward to it

01:11:43.140 and this is a great

01:11:45.040 conclusion of the arc

01:11:47.680 that we've been on about

01:11:49.060 spies infiltrating schools about the covert backstage of war and all that other stuff this

01:11:57.080 is one nation under blackmail by whitney webb very popular lady a real one in the space um

01:12:09.080 we're going to cover volume one this episode volume two next episode realistically there's

01:12:14.960 no way to do both volumes in one

01:12:17.040 episode. There's not even a great

01:12:19.120 way to do one volume per

01:12:21.020 episode. It should probably be three or four

01:12:22.880 because there's a lot of information in his books.

01:12:26.120 And what's it about?

01:12:27.560 Some heading is the sorting

01:12:29.100 union between intelligence

01:12:31.160 and crime that gave rise to Jeffrey

01:12:33.220 Epstein.

01:12:34.620 Look, I don't consume a lot of media, okay?

01:12:37.180 So she's not always on my list. But I am actually

01:12:39.100 a Whitney Webb fan. I don't like a lot of people. I like

01:12:41.180 Whitney Webb. And I'm sure she's not really

01:12:43.040 conservative. She's a little bit of a lib, frankly.

01:12:44.960 i like her she's who it is she's like a to me and again i don't know her that well but like she's

01:12:50.380 to me she's like a like a mid-80s lib where she just hates the fucking government and she hates

01:12:55.240 every institution and she hates war and she hates large corporations and she hates banks which is

01:12:59.680 like i i hate all those things too so we're in agreement they don't hurt if i look at how she

01:13:05.180 dresses and her face if she wasn't into this and she was just really into sabrina teenage witch

01:13:12.620 and like harry potter i bet i wouldn't like her because she would have enough she's got like the

01:13:19.540 big horn-rimmed glasses and she looks like she's wearing odd sweaters to interviews

01:13:26.080 dressing completely inappropriately she's a woman who dresses in a like in order to uh offend men

01:13:34.000 like she's she's like what is it like you know like uh like chicks who wear chest wraps to try

01:13:39.680 to make themselves less attractive i don't know if she's doing it intentionally she might just be

01:13:43.620 really fucking tacky but i feel like that's what she's doing i actually think she's she's actually

01:13:47.780 a little bit pretty but the other way that she dresses is fucking also i don't know if you're

01:13:53.080 seeing this here i'm gonna pop this up on the screen i see her on the right it looks like she

01:13:58.200 cuts her own hair look look she a hundred percent she cuts her oh my like yeah it doesn't need to

01:14:05.420 be like this i see her showing up on interviews and she's wearing gray lipstick my my aunt had

01:14:12.200 those exact glasses you remember my aunt who like who uh died a death of despair and was like eaten

01:14:18.180 by a bird yeah she that's those are the glasses but she's got dimples and a lovely smile like

01:14:23.180 you don't need to live like this yeah yeah exactly why are you doing this to yourself

01:14:27.680 but she does it intentionally because she doesn't like male attention that is it that has to be a

01:14:32.460 make yourself kind of

01:14:34.780 unapproachable. You can hear

01:14:36.700 in her vocal cadence that she's

01:14:38.760 powerfully autistic.

01:14:40.780 I want to start this by saying I can fix her.

01:14:45.020 She's married, of course.

01:14:46.640 This is an utterly inappropriate

01:14:48.660 thing to say.

01:14:50.120 But I like her. I like the work she's done.

01:14:51.980 Hold on a sec. I'm googling Whitney Webb

01:14:53.840 husband.

01:14:56.160 I'm kidding. You'd be pretty

01:14:57.680 cool if her husband was like...

01:14:59.480 Holy shit! Her husband is exactly

01:15:01.980 what you would expect that actually him gary okay you know there she's got to put on that face

01:15:06.840 because her family photos look totally normal she just looks like it's a character yeah i think

01:15:13.340 she's doing a character for the show like the weird lipstick and shit because in her like

01:15:17.340 random family photos and stuff she just looks like a fucking normal lady so yeah yeah what's

01:15:22.300 okay so she's playing like like alex jones except she's playing like uh uh like a gov this funky

01:15:29.220 dumb shoe yes but she's a bit of a controversial figure in a space i know ryan dawson despises her

01:15:37.880 and many others have said negative things because they're the impression that she's stolen their

01:15:45.180 beat or she's plagiarized from ryan dawson which may or may not be the case i don't know the exact

01:15:54.340 details i've heard him claim that before what i will say is what i noticed just reading this book

01:16:00.840 it's that she didn't really conduct any primary research for it which is fine i don't think that

01:16:08.940 makes her less of a journalist or however she wants to describe herself but um it's not like

01:16:15.360 she's out there conducting interviews or really going through old archival stuff

01:16:18.880 most of what she was talking about was pulled from other books other non-fiction books some

01:16:24.260 of them pretty obscure but that is to say that all the stuff that she had was already out there

01:16:30.620 if furthermore ryan dawson or really anyone who talks with epstein none of you people are doing

01:16:37.200 your own primary research on this now you're calling anyone up but you all you're all just

01:16:42.300 reading the same books and the same web pages and the same forum posts and it's all you know i mean

01:16:48.360 we've read a lot of the same books

01:16:50.540 in this book

01:16:51.440 Body 1 at least

01:16:53.860 it brings up Franklin Scandal

01:16:56.020 that's a book we covered years ago on here

01:16:58.420 about the

01:17:00.720 child pedophile reign

01:17:01.680 I saw several books

01:17:04.600 that we've read or covered pop up

01:17:06.460 in this book as references

01:17:07.680 it's all fucking out there

01:17:09.980 you can't claim it

01:17:11.140 I don't like anyone that's saying

01:17:13.140 that the Epstein thing is their thing

01:17:15.920 this has been in the news for a long time yeah that's stupid like hey sorry ryan 9-11 also

01:17:25.460 doesn't get to be your thing i love you buddy um try making a documentary that's watchable try

01:17:33.540 making a documentary that is recorded into a fucking shoe then let's talk by the way at the

01:17:39.980 time you were up against moose change which was like a legitimate insane documentary but

01:17:45.780 you know you know how to have a proper fucking money anyway i don't even mean that to anyone but

01:17:52.580 i i haven't you see no no one else has produced a book like this and if there was more of them

01:18:02.420 i'll be shining a light on that as well but this book uh one nation or blackmail what i liked about

01:18:08.580 it was it doesn't get into the sordid or lurid details about child sex trafficking in fact she

01:18:17.260 makes a point early on and it made a point in interviews that that's the wrong way to look at

01:18:23.020 this the narrative um about jeffrey epstein that i think most people have absorbed because it's

01:18:29.560 been the mainstream media coverage they focus pretty specifically on what he was doing from

01:18:33.680 2000 to about 2006 or so and only on the sex crimes and beyond that it you know

01:18:40.520 maybe a handful of outlets have talked about things maybe in the 90s maybe

01:18:45.800 things after his first arrest what he did between that time and his second

01:18:49.820 arrest but really beyond that it's a very narrow focus in my opinion because

01:18:53.660 this is a guy that really entered you know the workforce I guess you could

01:18:56.480 say sometime in the 70s and he was you know visiting the Clinton White House in

01:19:00.500 the 90s and there's been very little interest especially in american mainstream media and

01:19:05.200 talking about that particular uh period of time in jeffrey epstein's career hear about jeffrey

01:19:10.940 epstein the new york financier butch has been said much has been said about jeffrey epstein

01:19:17.880 terrible things jeff i'm talking about jeff epstein the new york financier

01:19:22.520 Yes, we're talking about the same Jeff Epstein.

01:19:27.520 No.

01:19:28.360 Yes.

01:19:29.200 No.

01:19:30.040 Yes.

01:19:30.880 I, what, I never, I never heard.

01:19:32.280 Oh, it was a big story in the news, huge.

01:19:34.800 No.

01:19:35.640 Yes, for you to say, no one ever said-

01:19:37.140 Jeff Epstein.

01:19:37.980 Yes.

01:19:38.820 Jeff Epstein.

01:19:39.640 Yes, the financier.

01:19:40.480 With the island.

01:19:41.320 Yes, he had an island that I've never been to.

01:19:44.480 Yes.

01:19:45.320 Yeah.

01:19:46.160 I, I'm pretty sure, with respect,

01:19:49.940 If there was some news about Jeff Epstein, I would have heard.

01:19:53.720 And you think, okay, how many kids got raped?

01:19:56.620 That's one element of the story.

01:19:59.440 And it's a very serious element.

01:20:02.080 But that can lead you down a wrong path where you start thinking that

01:20:07.260 everyone who's associated with Jeffrey Epstein was a child rapist.

01:20:12.860 Or within the Epstein files, anyone who's...

01:20:15.680 I get this brought up in jokes a little bit.

01:20:17.560 So it was mentioned in the Epstein files.

01:20:19.940 well the epstein files are just his emails right right and so he met a lot of people like don't

01:20:26.120 go out there thinking that anyone that jeffrey epstein ever met with was a fucking child rapist

01:20:32.640 and their sadist or whatever it might be and she made a point where it's like that's how you start

01:20:38.800 but actually take a closer look at the recurring meetings and then take a closer look at okay who

01:20:44.840 goes to his island and how many times he goes out like there is a way to look at this where you

01:20:50.760 don't get too excited and he don't have a lot of you know false positives because that delegitimizes

01:20:56.880 the entire thing and with Jeffrey Epstein you can put him at the center of a much more complex

01:21:03.460 and much more troubling criminal conspiracy. The most misleading phrase in this entire story is

01:21:10.640 the Epstein list because what the public imagines is a clean roster of guilty people. What the files

01:21:15.800 actually show is something much more dangerous. A web of access, repeated contact, social protection,

01:21:21.520 and selective ambiguity. And that matters because monsters like Jeffrey Epstein do not survive in

01:21:26.940 isolation. They survive in systems. They survive around gatekeepers, fixers, social validators,

01:21:32.540 and famous people whose presence makes everything look normal until it doesn't. But before we go

01:21:37.380 any further, one rule has to stay in place. Being named in the Epstein files does not automatically

01:21:41.960 mean someone committed a crime. BBC makes that explicit, and that distinction is the line between

01:21:47.400 investigation and hysteria. Most people approach these files the wrong way. They see a famous name

01:21:52.340 and immediately jump to one of the two bad conclusions, either see that proves everything,

01:21:56.280 means nothing at all. But that's not how serious inquiry works. A person can appear in documents

01:22:01.940 because Epstein exaggerated a connection, because they crossed paths socially, because they emailed

01:22:07.260 him because they were discussed by others or because there was a deeper and more sustained

01:22:11.120 relationship and the child rape stuff is obviously there i think what are we saying that the fdi was

01:22:19.960 saying that they've redacted something to a three million csam images from the epstein files

01:22:26.680 you're smallest steps that sounds like an incredibly high number but we don't know we

01:22:31.940 don't know what it is because they're redacted but they're saying yeah that's child porn and

01:22:36.860 there's three million of them so i i guess what else could it be i'll take them at their word

01:22:43.240 so that's obviously in that in volume one and i preferred volume one to volume two

01:22:49.040 i'll start with that um she goes in the entire she goes into robert maxwell who is the father

01:22:55.840 of gillade maxwell and shows like how far back this goes this goes back to the early 20th century

01:23:01.540 and shows, more than anything, the overlap between the government and organized crime.

01:23:11.740 And then how that facilitates individuals like Jeffrey Epstein, where they fit in,

01:23:17.760 and where they fit in with different intelligence agencies around the world.

01:23:21.740 I think he definitely had intelligence connections, and there's a lot to suggest that was the case.

01:23:26.940 I think one of the most, the earliest hints we heard of that was having a Secretary of Labor, Alex Acosta, under Trump,

01:23:34.060 say that one of the reasons he was pressured into giving Epstein a sweetheart deal during his first arrest in Florida

01:23:40.840 was because he had been told by unspecified actors that Epstein belonged to intelligence.

01:23:46.200 But that's kind of, you know, what exactly does that mean?

01:23:48.920 Was he an asset? Was he on the payroll? Which intelligence agency? Multiple intelligence agencies.

01:23:53.540 When you have his close association with someone like Ghislaine Maxwell in the mix and her father had affiliations with numerous intelligence agencies, you know, it really is an open question.

01:24:03.520 And I said this on a previous episode, I was not prepared for how Jewish this was.

01:24:11.760 Are you really? Because it seems like it would be the most Jewish thing imaginable.

01:24:15.760 If you're Jeffrey L.C., he's Jewish, right?

01:24:18.400 There's obviously the Jewish aspect. There's Mossad in the mix somewhere, right?

01:24:23.060 okay but we're talking like going back to robert maxwell how many of them were connected directly

01:24:29.280 to an iberis how many of them were like directly in caught working in concert with mosad and

01:24:37.980 working on mosad intelligence projects to undermine iran and others they had other enemies of israel

01:24:46.600 like this is did wildly disproportionately jewish from her telling and that's what's we're talking

01:24:54.060 about whitney webb before she does not seem like a neo-nazi she's not seen like an anti-semite

01:25:01.360 really but she came to the conclusion independently that this is the most jewish conspiracy you've

01:25:08.380 heard of and you actually can't tell the story and of course you read jeffrey epstein's emails

01:25:13.940 and he's calling people goys

01:25:15.900 this is a guy who's not

01:25:18.120 incidentally Jewish that's not

01:25:20.320 just an appendage to it

01:25:21.780 he centered his Jewishness

01:25:24.100 in his dealings

01:25:25.060 it comes up a lot

01:25:27.260 so I'd like to

01:25:30.020 there's a lot to read here

01:25:31.660 I just wanted to tee that up about

01:25:33.680 the right way to approach this

01:25:35.860 and we'll see on volume 2

01:25:37.800 that it doesn't even get into

01:25:39.400 Jeffrey Epstein's suicide

01:25:40.660 it doesn't get into that it doesn't tell the stories

01:25:43.480 about any of the children it actually tells more stories about the models that he was dealing with

01:25:49.180 and she gets into the value that they that this sort of illicit sex would have for black veil

01:25:56.220 purposes but it doesn't really busy itself with that it's not that kind of book um and and i

01:26:02.860 appreciate that because this is much more nefarious to me and it actually i'll get to this when it

01:26:09.280 ends uh but i'll mention at the top where this is ultimately leading even though it doesn't

01:26:15.460 speculate on who killed jeffrey epstein it does speculate on why because jeffrey epstein was a

01:26:24.700 victim of the rise of cyber security and the proliferation of blackmail by other means

01:26:33.400 so Jeffrey Epstein

01:26:35.540 and people like him

01:26:37.820 are facilitators for blackmail

01:26:39.500 they're people who move in these circles

01:26:41.980 they procure drugs

01:26:43.720 and women

01:26:44.240 you know the story of Jeffrey Epstein

01:26:46.320 but in this

01:26:48.940 current era

01:26:50.660 do you need a Jeffrey Epstein like that

01:26:53.300 or can

01:26:54.840 government or whoever

01:26:56.420 just you know

01:26:58.320 hack your camera

01:27:00.220 hack your email server

01:27:01.940 can they get blackmail another way even an easier way rather than having a guy get you in a room

01:27:08.580 with a 14 year old you know maybe they can find an easier way to find out that you have child

01:27:14.020 pornography on your hard drive and then blackmail you with that so that's one thing so they just

01:27:19.700 said oh we don't need you anymore that you're not important to this new paradigm that would have been

01:27:24.500 and so he was kind of gotten rid of that way so then maybe there isn't another jeffrey epstein

01:27:30.180 like that because because the the machine they're using right now is it is the security pedopticon

01:27:38.580 and it's not like the 90s and the 80s when he was at his peak it's not like the he started

01:27:43.460 up in the 70s then he started going to the clinton white house where he needed so i'm

01:27:49.380 just gonna start reading here by the way before i continue based on everything i've said do you have

01:27:54.740 thoughts or it's a no i mean it's fascinating not wholly unexpected or surprising okay

01:28:02.580 so it starts here but says at 2 30 the afternoon on february 9th and i keep ready to a fire broke

01:28:07.940 out on board the normandy ship that was then in the process of being converted into a troop

01:28:12.900 transporter in new york's harbor investigations that the destruction of the normandy quickly

01:28:18.020 revealed the cause of disaster had been incompetence and carelessness yet nevertheless

01:28:23.140 Thus, rumors have been the work of German saboteurs, who are intent on disrupting America's

01:28:28.820 early war efforts.

01:28:31.320 Management and regulation of these critical harbors and coastlines was the responsibility

01:28:35.560 of the Office of Naval Intelligence, a delicate series of negotiations were subsequently

01:28:40.200 launched known as Operation Underworld.

01:28:43.660 This operation, which the government was forced to reluctantly acknowledge after decades of

01:28:48.140 public denials involved the recruitment of high-level organized crime figures to work

01:28:53.180 with american intelligence services justified by wartime necessity indeed operation underworld

01:29:00.220 was the beginning of the creation of a new underworld entirety one built on the cooperation

01:29:05.340 if not outright symbiosis between organized crime and american intelligence so that's how it starts

01:29:12.380 and all this is based off of freedom of information app requests this is information

01:29:17.500 that is out there it was like one i want to make one critique of the book and this might be unfair

01:29:24.220 because it reminds me of books that we covered not long ago well like uh eye of the chicken hawk

01:29:30.500 was one or um programmed to kill anything that deals with you know creepy history like this

01:29:40.140 it tends to throw you into it and i don't need the information spoon fed to me i don't need it

01:29:45.560 refashioned into a novel but the way it's written it's like this happens this happens when chapter

01:29:52.760 ends are like now we're talking about someone else like it it's kind of you can whiplash reading it

01:29:57.640 because it's not clear how everything connects it's it's like you in 1942 this happened then in

01:30:04.320 1957 this happened and then skipping again here's this guy and then he goes this guy if you remember

01:30:08.880 him from before it's like you need like another few paragraphs like summarizing giving me a bit

01:30:14.280 up more flow here and i have a chicken hawk which we cover like just like this book it just ends

01:30:21.080 abruptly you know who am i asking for like a conclusion or something but it would be nice

01:30:26.800 just to have a little bit of more narrative editorialization because it's a lot of dates

01:30:34.300 a lot of names a lot of just seemingly non-connected facts until there's kind of a

01:30:41.440 A little blurb of connecting later on.

01:30:45.320 He says, lurking in the background of Operation Underworld,

01:30:48.240 of which had seen the ONI directly recruit Lucky Luciano, of all people,

01:30:53.100 was the Office of Strategic Services, the wartime forerunner to the CIA.

01:30:58.440 Under Donovan's direction, he became a clearinghouse for military and political propaganda.

01:31:03.840 This was in no small part thanks to Donovan's close friend,

01:31:06.680 a British intelligence operative named William Stevenson.

01:31:10.420 Stevenson was the wartime head of British intelligence in the United States, headquartered in New York City.

01:31:15.600 The idea of a fifth column was a prime component of the BSC propaganda.

01:31:21.020 It will later be adopted by the OSS itself.

01:31:24.060 The term originated through the course of the early phases of the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s.

01:31:29.500 It was used to describe something like a domestic military in waiting.

01:31:33.160 It formed the very justification and popular basis to support the creation and expansion

01:31:38.040 of the emerging organized intelligence apparatus.

01:31:42.660 He said, and continued out here, the global drug trade is a massive business,

01:31:46.740 and the offshore banking system that enables it is bigger.

01:31:50.820 When such immense sums of money are being generated,

01:31:54.020 it isn't left to Iowan bank accounts in Caymans, Bermuda, the City of London, or wherever.

01:31:59.240 The end destination of a money-washing process is to transform dirty money into seemingly clean investment capital.

01:32:06.780 In his book, Power Shift, Kirkpatrick Sale argues that the post-war era was characterized by a rising southern rim that came to confront the traditional seat of American economic power.

01:32:18.840 The southern rim was made about the southern states' portions of the Midwest and the Sun Belt, a large expanse that stretched from Florida to California.

01:32:26.640 The RIM's ascendancy, he argues, was connected to the opening up of vast real estate opportunities, which is where this new emerging billionaire class was coming from.

01:32:39.500 Now, she starts painting this somewhat complex and intricate picture, describing, as we just said, how the money starts going.

01:32:51.120 So you have the cooperation between the government and organized crime.

01:32:55.440 and then you have this third sphere of influence which is the banks and how the banks being

01:33:01.040 incorporated if you remember in the franklin cover-up the um the franklin individual who

01:33:08.000 was a republican uh contender black guy uh he was also the head of i think it was a nebraska first

01:33:15.920 national bank so having banks legitimate banks involved in these sorts of schemes was was

01:33:23.760 imperative um especially smaller banks um get the jp morgan and chase manhattan i would think but

01:33:30.000 there were especially you know decades ago there used to be way more independent mid-sized banks

01:33:36.640 all across america and if you can get them involved even small banks have access to

01:33:44.000 millions upon millions of dollars within their vaults so that that if you just have your own

01:33:51.280 bank all of a sudden it became very easy to launder money on the 45th page of the most well

01:33:59.980 known of jeffrey epstein's two black contact books are the names and the numbers of two individuals

01:34:06.240 from the prominent chicago family nicholas and thomas pritzker under nicholas pritzker epstein

01:34:12.740 placed the name height development corporation pritzker family employed burton canter to serve

01:34:18.960 as the taxidermy for the verge of the empire, and Cantor gained his spot on the high court.

01:34:23.140 Cantor would, in time, pose connections to powerful operatives from international crime

01:34:27.860 networks, not to mention the CIA and Israel's Mossad.

01:34:32.000 It was also connected to a most curious bank located in the Bahamas, Castle Bank and Trust.

01:34:38.140 When the IRS came knocking on Castle's door, Cantor told them he was merely a tax consultant

01:34:44.860 to the bank.

01:34:45.900 That was a lie.

01:34:46.660 He was one half of the bank's top management.

01:34:48.960 Authorities have been put on the trail of Castle Bank in 1971 after a man named Alan

01:34:54.960 George Palmer and several associates were bustifying marijuana from Florida to Oakland.

01:35:01.700 Palmer was subsequently revealed to have been a major producer of LSD, mescaline, and THC

01:35:06.780 in the San Francisco Bay Area.

01:35:10.040 Castle Bank was a melding of worlds.

01:35:12.540 On the one hand, there was Cantor's specialty in offshore trusts and its connections to

01:35:16.540 about the city's political power centers and the sprawl of its super mob.

01:35:21.520 On the other hand, there was Hyatt Hellowell, a Republican Party insider,

01:35:26.840 intelligence veteran, and an offshore specialist in his own right

01:35:30.800 with intimate connections to the blossoming, harrowing traffic coming out of Southeast Asia.

01:35:36.300 Together, they organized a complicated money laundering operation

01:35:39.320 that silently moved the funds of powerful gangsters, politicians,

01:35:43.920 businessmen and intelligence services around McGlough and see you have this picture for me

01:35:49.320 that's just one example of one of these banks but you have intelligence officers or former

01:35:54.840 intelligence officers working in partnership with the criminal underworld to start money laundering

01:36:00.960 operations in the forms of banks this isn't low to mid-level criminality that's just well start

01:36:06.360 your own bank and like make your money impenetrable and that's how easy it is for them and it's again

01:36:12.720 this is just one of many many many many of these banks these aren't cartel banks these are just

01:36:18.160 you know american banks um and one of the early goes on here one of the early ventures that

01:36:24.800 castle engaged in was a convoluted land fraud that met a milk net to the millions and intimately

01:36:31.200 called cancer the fraud was carried on the auspices of a company called international

01:36:36.480 computerized land research i love the names of these companies like cancer's elaborate

01:36:41.680 kickback schemes on behalf of the principal's authorities took decades to untangle the web left

01:36:47.200 by the iclr castle bank wasn't only a repository and conduit for money belonging to tax evading

01:36:53.840 billionaires shady businessmen drug dealers and land fosters it seems some of their other clients

01:36:59.600 wields a different kind of power first a sweeping irs probe had unearthed an expansive network

01:37:05.280 dedicated to tax evasion according to an unnamed federal source castle bank was one of the cia's

01:37:11.600 finance channels for operations against cuba so you have all the criminals using it

01:37:19.120 all the billionaires all the shady people then you have the cia also using it you have

01:37:24.480 intelligence you know agencies actually laundering their own money for their own

01:37:29.840 secret operations through these exact same banks hello well and brazilwood castle were purportedly

01:37:37.040 involved with the agency in financing a series of covert forays from 1964 and 1975 against

01:37:44.320 chemo by cia operatives working from andros islands so again you start to see this is how

01:37:51.680 it's starting to build and she's going to paint a network and epstein isn't a part of yet but

01:37:59.200 people like epstein can slip into like how many fcs are there in this already right epstein is a

01:38:06.160 wheeling a deal in new york finance here right but any one of the people mentioned could be

01:38:11.680 doing the exact same right how many rooms of prostitutes have any of these guns been right

01:38:22.240 so now we're getting a gun named saniel brompton jew right it says per his own account saniel

01:38:29.680 brompton had never claimed to become one of the north america's top liquor man it's having

01:38:34.240 previously aspired to a career in law nevertheless due true to his family's last name which means

01:38:42.240 whiskey man in yiddish just a funny sentence right away no way he is also you can just make up lies

01:38:50.480 about what is and what is not in yiddish yeah true in yiddish this means the thing that i am

01:38:55.280 doing right now isn't the questions his brothers went on to build a liquor empire that was rocking

01:39:00.640 the Broncos to the upper echelons of the

01:39:02.660 western business elite, though the road

01:39:04.620 they traveled together was hardly elegant.

01:39:07.760 In

01:39:08.000 Messoravia, they had been relatively well-off

01:39:10.720 and emigrated to Canada

01:39:12.220 along with two of their servants

01:39:14.440 and their personal rabbi.

01:39:17.420 Their personal

01:39:18.600 rabbi?

01:39:20.980 I did not choose to do that.

01:39:22.540 That's wild. I don't get my own

01:39:24.700 priest.

01:39:26.540 I don't care how rich the Catholic

01:39:28.280 are used to be a priest.

01:39:29.700 a personal rabbi the broppens had saved enough money to lease their first canadian hotel the

01:39:35.220 anglo-american hotel in emerson manitoba in 1903 given the provincial nature of prohibition in

01:39:41.620 canada prior to the stint the differences between the temperance laws and the various provinces

01:39:46.660 provide numerous loopholes that they could exploit this prompted harry broppin to create a wholesale

01:39:52.180 drug company that permitted him to import alcohol in bulk much of the province early investment in

01:39:57.380 bootlegging took place across the saskatchewan north dakota border in brusoriums where the liquor

01:40:04.180 could be purchased in canada and moved to the united states though sam brockman was careful

01:40:09.300 to distance himself as much as possible from prominent criminals they did have a somewhat

01:40:13.460 cozy relationship with myron lansky with lance's wife later recounting how brockman had sold

01:40:19.300 lavish dinner parties for her husband aside from these more personal ties also crucial to the

01:40:25.460 The success of Seagram's and the Bronfman family's enterprise during the period was

01:40:30.220 the summoning of middlemen to these four prominent essentials in the Bronfman business, Joseph

01:40:35.540 Reinfeld and Louis Rosensteel.

01:40:39.680 Though both men had legendary tempers and a legendary feud to match, Bronfman and Rosensteel

01:40:45.780 had major differences in character.

01:40:47.300 One of these differences was the fact that Sam Bronfman did not share Rosensteel's obsession

01:40:51.900 with blackmail.

01:40:52.880 Additional assertions made in court under the oath of one of Rosenstiel's ex-wives held that Rosenstiel would also place microphones throughout his home in order to record conversations that took place in social gatherings as potential blackmail against his guests.

01:41:09.760 His wife, who was named Kaufman, said she made a mistake with Mary Rosenstiel.

01:41:14.400 Some of the sources that discussed Rosenstiel's interest in blackmail also claimed that Rosenstiel was bisexual.

01:41:20.520 In addition, Huffman, the wife, told Anthony Summers that she possessed a photograph showing J. Edgar Hoover and the company of Louis Rosenstiel's Organized Crime Associates.

01:41:32.760 Though Summers did not see these pictures personally, they were confirmed as authentic and seen by journalists at the Philadelphia Lawyer.

01:41:40.860 Nicholas told Summers she did have suitcases and photographs that she'd haul away from her marriage to Louis Rosenstiel.

01:41:49.140 There's also evidence that not only did these parties that Rose and Seale would hold at the Plaza Hotel take place,

01:41:55.980 but they had used to obtain sexual blackmail with Kaufman asserting that her husband possessed pictures of Jack Hoover wearing Wiggins clothes

01:42:03.360 and that these images have been passed to Rose and Seale's associate, mobster Meyer Lansky.

01:42:08.980 So you start to see the introduction through these Jewish businessmen of blackmail's currency.

01:42:18.440 and certainly blackmail existed in history but through the use of microphones and photographs

01:42:25.660 and setting up these areas that are designed to record they start gathering information on

01:42:32.540 intimate politicians and working with criminals with what to do with that so maybe you who records

01:42:40.780 the information you can't do anything with them but you pass it to one of your criminal associates

01:42:45.280 that can do something with it. That's why

01:42:46.880 Meyer Lansky ends up.

01:42:49.480 Meyer Lansky, who was

01:42:50.420 if that wasn't clear,

01:42:53.460 one of the top

01:42:55.100 Jewish gangsters in America.

01:42:57.900 Arnold Rothstein would be

01:42:59.160 another. I think they were pretty closely associated.

01:43:01.900 Lucky Luciano was not.

01:43:03.260 He was Italian, but the

01:43:04.540 Jewish mob was pretty big at the time.

01:43:07.680 Now, this is interesting. It says,

01:43:08.620 further evidence of these claims

01:43:10.800 comes from journalist and author Burton

01:43:12.780 Hirsch, who alleges that Hoover

01:43:14.840 had been tied to Sherman Kaminsky

01:43:17.520 and this Kaminsky fellow

01:43:19.400 helped run a sexual blackmail

01:43:21.220 operation in New York

01:43:22.820 that involved young male prostitutes.

01:43:26.020 Some reports claim Kaminsky

01:43:27.320 had ties to Israel

01:43:28.620 having served in the Israel Defense Forces.

01:43:32.300 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:43:33.140 There's so much Jewish shit that pops up

01:43:35.040 and I don't think it's editorializing on her part

01:43:37.440 just announcing that all of these

01:43:39.160 blackmail guys end up

01:43:41.400 being Jewish, not only Jewish but

01:43:43.240 you know, working directly with Mossad. Anyway, this gay sex ring was called the Chickens in the

01:43:51.620 Bowls by the NYPD, and it targeted prominent men who were closeted homosexuals throughout the

01:43:57.600 United States, many of them married for families. Among those who had been blackmailed were a Navy

01:44:04.340 admiral, two generals, a U.S. congressman, a prominent surgeon, an ideally professor,

01:44:09.000 and well-known afters in television personalities.

01:44:12.660 The most obvious and troubling symptom of this symbiosis

01:44:15.620 was Hoover's reluctance to tackle organized crime as FBI director.

01:44:21.120 Hoover repeatedly declined to use the Bureau to target organized crime networks,

01:44:26.200 referring to organized crime as a local problem in which the FBI did not need to intervene

01:44:30.720 for his nearly 50-year stint as top law enforcement and administrator for the country.

01:44:35.720 so of course the implication there is that

01:44:37.380 they had dirt on him

01:44:39.420 so that's how organized crime

01:44:41.700 got J. Edgar Hoover off their

01:44:43.660 back which is

01:44:45.140 how many people now know that Hoover liked

01:44:47.640 to dress like a lady

01:44:48.800 that's like

01:44:49.280 the top of his Wikipedia page

01:44:53.740 now

01:44:54.060 so

01:44:56.080 we're going back to that Bronkman guy

01:44:59.920 the liquor magnets

01:45:01.220 Bronkman specifically answered the call

01:45:03.560 of Israel's Shimon Peres, taking press to Ottawa, came with it to negotiate a trash

01:45:09.400 of $2 million worth of weapons to Israel.

01:45:12.200 Brockman then raised funds to cover the entire cost of the sizable arms cash.

01:45:17.380 As Newman noted, Brockman preferred to remain tight-lipped on Zionist matters, despite his

01:45:23.320 position as head of the Canadian Jewish Congress.

01:45:27.020 i mean okay an example of the family's characteristic quiet manipulation in 1945

01:45:35.420 the hagena began its efforts to stock on weapons ammunition aircraft nominal supplies and machine

01:45:41.740 tools sourced from around the globe in the u.s ben durian rushed out to a close associate

01:45:47.540 a zionist activist rudolph sonneborn who had traveled the palace traveled the palace

01:45:53.060 and years earlier to survey the construction of Jewish villages

01:45:56.460 on behalf of the World Zionist Organization.

01:45:59.880 Under the leadership of Sonnenborn,

01:46:01.280 18 or so Jewish millionaires and billionaires

01:46:03.740 were recruited to bankroll the efforts.

01:46:06.860 Thus, the Sonnenborn Institute, as it was known, was born.

01:46:10.320 The Institute, an activist collaboration of Zionist millionaires and billionaires

01:46:14.460 that pursued specific Zionism-related causes,

01:46:18.420 were later served as a sort of model for the mega group,

01:46:21.600 Founded years later by Leslie Wexner and Charles Bronfman.

01:46:25.160 And so this is where this Bronfman character keeps building to.

01:46:28.360 So we see how he starts.

01:46:30.240 Starts off as a small liquor Canadian.

01:46:33.940 But over the years, he gets more and more connected, more and more famous, more and more rich.

01:46:39.920 And he eventually starts four of these organizations, Zionist organizations.

01:46:45.560 This is the Sunderborn Institute, and there's one that comes later called the Mega Group.

01:46:50.220 and each of these are just giant black boxes for jewish money right but all of this is connected

01:46:57.340 to epstein as well but you have to say like how how just how much jewish money is involved in this

01:47:05.740 the mega group uh several members of it they have direct ties to organized crime specifically mayor

01:47:10.540 lansky's national crime syndicate one member for example would be michael steinhardt his father was

01:47:15.900 actually mayor lansky's personal goal fence he served five years in sing sing prison uh because

01:47:21.340 he was so deeply connected to the mob um some other people that are in the mega group that have

01:47:26.220 mob connections are people um like max fisher he used to be associated with the detroit purple gang

01:47:33.020 uh and he is considered a mentor to leslie wexner leslie wexner i want to talk about for a little

01:47:37.900 bit uh he was a co-founder of the mega group and he also um in part four of my report i'll be

01:47:43.580 talking about how he was tied into the cia a little bit as well but leslie wexner um in a

01:47:48.700 1985 police report that was highly suppressed and came out by accident uh as part of a public um

01:47:55.500 records request in the late 90s um when a lawyer that was representing his company the limited in

01:48:01.500 1985 uh was killed in broad daylight like shot twice in the head in front of an apartment

01:48:07.580 yeah and also like it's hard to contextualize what's going on that's why like i'm trying to

01:48:12.220 taken aside here and just like you know like this is why this matters here's like here's where it's

01:48:17.260 going but as you're reading you don't really know where it's going um i think it would even help if

01:48:22.760 you had a familiarity with the epstein like if you don't know anything with this epstein should

01:48:28.000 none of this is going to work for you you're kind of going to know the gist of what this is about

01:48:31.840 and i think you know if you know what the mega group is or who leslie wexner is and i didn't

01:48:38.560 like these are just names but what you need to know is that they're jewish billionaires

01:48:45.080 and connected jewish millionaires and they are working directly with the israeli government

01:48:51.100 and trying to be sort of liaisons between all these different money flows and their

01:48:57.260 goal is to actually just bring money and send it to israel for military purposes and that's how

01:49:04.880 that can like why are they doing this well for them that's it it's it's it's for zionists

01:49:10.860 so she goes on here and just to skip ahead and wrap a lot of that together she says

01:49:16.720 what is certain and undeniable is that much of the wartime oss and cia as well as israel's

01:49:23.900 intelligence services operated in close proximity to and were effectively indistinguishable from

01:49:30.340 organized crime what's unique in israel's case however is that such collision was baked at the

01:49:36.300 very foundations of if not not only its intelligence service but the origins of the

01:49:40.960 state itself so yeah she's discussed this year um another a bunch of different banks i'm not

01:49:48.760 going to go to every single bank there's a bunch of different banks here that are all set up roth

01:49:53.740 child is involved in one here's one called company financier uh is known as the edmund

01:49:59.740 of Rothschild Group. Rothschild was also a business partner of Thibaut Rosenbaum, who had

01:50:04.680 organized the Israel Corporation, which is Israel's largest investment company, designed to encourage

01:50:10.280 large-scale private investment in Israel. Rothschild himself appeared all over Bluefield's

01:50:17.080 correspondences and was intimately involved with all these other crazy activities.

01:50:23.160 This particular network of individuals and institutions is complex and convoluted, she says.

01:50:28.200 Yet what is clear is that there was something of an Israel-Italy-France-Canada axis that was tied directly into hot money networks in the Caribbean to the flow of capital from the West to Israel itself, and to the outflows of raw materials like diamonds from the Third World.

01:50:46.580 Once this foreign investment generally from American and Canadian sources was in Israel, it went to work on building up various industries and into settlements, basically.

01:50:56.820 so you have these entire financial

01:50:59.420 systems set up run by

01:51:01.380 Jews and we know exactly

01:51:03.320 who they are, we know

01:51:04.300 we know all the people

01:51:06.960 where they came from, why they started

01:51:09.320 they're in charge of several

01:51:11.240 different non-profit team groups

01:51:12.700 explicitly to just send money to Israel

01:51:15.100 and set up these money laundering

01:51:17.280 operations that are working

01:51:19.180 with the governments and also

01:51:20.940 criminals basically

01:51:22.160 so

01:51:23.720 just moving on and after it she sets the stage with all that showing how the ecosystem works

01:51:33.240 showing how these banks are built and showing all the interests involved she lives on to roy co

01:51:39.520 which which is a name that's going to be very familiar to anyone that knows donald trump

01:51:45.360 she says roy co his public reputation ranged from boy wonder to sleazy mob lawyer over the

01:51:52.100 course of his lifetime was one of the most influential political operators and country

01:51:56.520 the better part of three decades not only was when he served as joseph mccarthy's right-hand

01:52:01.440 manager in the hide of the red scare he would also help secure electoral victories for prominent

01:52:05.640 politicians in new york including u.s presidents um years after his death cone's protege new york

01:52:13.500 billionaire donald trump would serve as a 45 president of the united states um cone's background

01:52:18.540 in earlier parts of his career served as a useful window

01:52:21.240 into how the world of above-board and legitimate business

01:52:25.180 and politics has intermingled with the criminal underworld

01:52:27.560 throughout the decades, and how blackmail was critical

01:52:30.380 to Cohen's ability to successfully navigate

01:52:33.460 these murky gray areas between the legal and the illegal.

01:52:38.540 And she continues out here, expanding on that,

01:52:40.780 says the influence of the National Crime Syndicate

01:52:43.560 on top of New York politicians was considerable

01:52:46.600 at the time when Albert Cohn was deeply involved in democratic affairs.

01:52:50.520 Albert Cohn, that would be Roy Cohn's father.

01:52:53.580 For instance, Meyer Lansky is known to have donated to the political campaigns of Al Smith,

01:52:58.120 the government of New York, during the now-influenced effort of national crime syndicate

01:53:02.360 to reap the Democratic National Convention in 1932 in favor of Roosevelt.

01:53:09.800 It was a tearful Al Smith would personally warn Lucia Lansky and Costell that Roosevelt would betray them.

01:53:15.760 It was Roy Cohn's oddly close relationship with J. Edgar Hoover, described in Chapter 2, that was the deciding factor in Cohn's appointment as Joe McCarthy's chief counsel.

01:53:26.340 Though Code was ruthless and seemingly untouchable as MacArthur's counsel, having played a pivotal role in destroying many careers and lives during the arrest.

01:53:37.600 His antics in relation to his work on the committee eventually led to his doubtful as he attempted to blackmail the army in return for preferential treatment for the committee consultancy and his rumored lover, Diane Schein.

01:53:50.760 Code also

01:53:54.260 likely used blackmail obtained by other means

01:53:56.560 given that he had already become involved with

01:53:58.280 the Rosensteel link's

01:54:00.440 sexual blackmail operation

01:54:02.080 during this period. Remember the mesh of Rosensteel

01:54:04.540 earlier, one of the

01:54:06.280 precursors to the blackmail

01:54:08.520 network, at least now.

01:54:11.340 The Army responded

01:54:12.480 by compiling the Shine Report, which

01:54:14.380 revealed all the ways that Code and McCarthy

01:54:16.260 had sought to blackmail the Army to secure

01:54:18.220 special privileges on behalf

01:54:20.440 of this fucking bitch's behalf.

01:54:23.380 Cohn served Hoover

01:54:24.400 politically through various means, including

01:54:26.260 by acting as his intermediary

01:54:28.100 in political battles.

01:54:31.880 Not only is there evidence of Cohn

01:54:34.160 and Hoover participating in sexual

01:54:36.240 blackmail brackets alongside

01:54:37.780 Louis Rosenstiel and

01:54:39.600 Sherman Kaminsky, people we've

01:54:42.040 mentioned before, but there's also evidence

01:54:44.120 that Cohn and Hoover had ties to

01:54:45.800 another sexual blackmail scandal

01:54:48.080 in the 1960s, one which took

01:54:50.100 place in the united kingdom and is remembered as the profumo affair the key link between hoover

01:54:56.020 cone and profumo affair is a man named thomas corbele who used cone as a conduit to pass

01:55:01.220 inside information uh on the scale to hoover's fbi as was unfolded um during the early 1960s

01:55:11.300 when this corbele individual was and a claremont club were becoming established in lending a british

01:55:16.260 politician named John Profumo, who was then serving as the UK Secretary of War, met Christine

01:55:24.480 Keeler. Keeler was a 19-year-old model who lived with Stephen Ward, and she began having an affair

01:55:31.000 with Profumo shortly after being met. Keeler was simultaneously having an affair with Eugene

01:55:36.340 Arbunov, a Soviet military attache. Ward allowed Keeler and Arbunov to use their apartment over

01:55:42.200 the course of the affair and started recording basically hoover's fbi got the inside scoop on

01:55:48.520 this british politician began investigating the other women in interest of uh of what was going on

01:55:57.640 so here you start seeing affairs being coordinated and apartments and hotels set up to facilitate

01:56:06.360 these affairs for these politicians by these individuals who are doing it specifically

01:56:12.200 for a black male purposes, it wasn't just, you know, parties of soirees, right?

01:56:16.940 It goes, but it's like, okay, I'm going to help you facilitate the sexual values that

01:56:22.280 you shouldn't be engaging.

01:56:23.960 And the reason we know about it is because they were infamous at the time and we do

01:56:28.040 have records of what actually happened.

01:56:30.580 So really what she's trying to get across here is that it's not like they would

01:56:35.480 never do something like this, right?

01:56:38.060 They would say, why would the government do this?

01:56:39.360 Why does this network exist?

01:56:40.940 Why was blackmail?

01:56:42.800 That's what you hear about Epstein.

01:56:44.120 Why would he do that?

01:56:48.160 What's it for him?

01:56:49.300 What's it for anyone just having blackmail?

01:56:51.280 This is the history of why it's been happening for 100 years.

01:56:58.640 It's the same reason for everything.

01:57:00.640 It's just to get what you want.

01:57:01.900 It's to hold over someone's head.

01:57:03.260 It's to have currency.

01:57:04.800 It's to have a leg up in a transaction.

01:57:07.060 It's just if you have an edge, you want to get it.

01:57:10.940 And she's saying or making the case that it's predominantly Jews who are at the center of that.

01:57:17.880 Or maybe thinking like that.

01:57:20.920 And this was all in the interest of getting what they wanted.

01:57:23.980 And in every instance, what they wanted was money for Israel.

01:57:27.340 That's the easiest compliment.

01:57:29.840 That's the easiest part of all of this.

01:57:31.600 We know who is doing it and why.

01:57:33.720 and that's why you can't really

01:57:36.140 accept when people

01:57:37.500 feign ignorance

01:57:40.280 about why any of this has happened

01:57:41.720 and of course

01:57:44.260 as the years go on

01:57:45.380 the blackmail becomes

01:57:48.080 increasingly prominent

01:57:50.100 and then you have people like Jeffrey Epstein

01:57:52.040 who just forget it

01:57:53.180 why does he have the island

01:57:55.320 that's just one giant recording

01:57:58.420 device

01:57:58.960 of course that's the only

01:58:02.340 And once you know that it's not just him, that this is an entire system set up to do this, it's just way easier to believe, isn't it?

01:58:10.140 This is the system and how it works.

01:58:14.740 So ultimately, this series of serpentine financial connections reveals a dense web linking several organized crime figures, their intermediaries, organized crime linked to businessmen and intelligence agencies.

01:58:26.360 Some key figures in the network, as mentioned in previous chapters, engaged in various swarms of blackmail and power plays to ensure the continued growth of both their legal and illegal financial interests.

01:58:38.500 As we shall see, this incestuous web of crime, intriguing covert action that was tightly interwoven through major events of the 1960s would continue its expansion largely unimpeded and employing many of the same tactics over the decades that followed.

01:58:56.360 uh now we'll end on this i want to talk a bit about robert maxwell uh robert maxwell is a very

01:59:04.760 important figure this is gillian maxwell's fault and the case made by webb and others but mainly

01:59:11.720 her is that gillian maxwell was merely carrying on the role that her father was fulfilling which

01:59:19.540 was being as a go-between or being a facilitator in this larger blackmail operation and even he

01:59:26.840 utilized her in his like he would send her out to parties to bring people in which is the function

01:59:33.600 that she served for Epstein as well well uh you mean after Robert Maxwell's death yes so I think

01:59:40.200 Ghislaine was looking to continue the same role she was sort of doing for her father which was

01:59:44.220 being an ambassador for her father basically in New York and the interests that represented him

01:59:48.600 his handlers sort of look to her and at this time Jeffrey Epstein is is the

01:59:53.280 money manager for Leslie Wexner and Leslie Wexner is affiliated with a group

01:59:58.680 of very powerful billionaires who at the same time that Robert Maxwell made his

02:00:04.200 inroads to New York with Ghislaine sort of as the ambassador oh sorry I lost my

02:00:10.720 train oh yeah they're quoted and I think Vanity Fair of having court about those

02:00:15.480 those billionaires courting robert maxwell specifically so it seems like there was some

02:00:19.440 sort of effort to bring those interests together even before robert maxwell died or so is the

02:00:25.380 claim that she was the madam she was the one that sourced all the girls so she was raised in this

02:00:30.480 environment by her father to be the one who sources the young people and brings them all in

02:00:35.140 that's what she's been doing her entire life but all goes back to her father and her father

02:00:40.600 has interactions with

02:00:42.740 everything we just discussed.

02:00:45.080 This whole world we've been

02:00:46.720 describing, the interplay between

02:00:48.660 crime and banks and intelligence

02:00:50.720 agencies, both foreign and domestic.

02:00:53.260 He says, I'm born in what is now

02:00:54.920 part of Ukraine. Robert Maxwell

02:00:56.660 was the last of a series of names used

02:00:58.740 by John Ludwig

02:01:00.500 Huck, with his earlier

02:01:02.460 aliases including the names Abraham Huck,

02:01:04.980 John Ludwig, and Leslie

02:01:06.460 DiMario. So this is just a guy who's had like

02:01:08.180 10 different names his entire life.

02:01:09.900 The chaos of post-war Europe allowed Maxwell to play the siege

02:01:13.480 Will become his future media empire

02:01:16.200 Thanks to his contacts with allied forces in post-war Berlin

02:01:19.400 He was able to acquire the publishing rights

02:01:21.360 For prominent European scientific journals

02:01:23.740 And formed the publishing company Butterworth

02:01:27.320 Which had long-standing ties to British intelligence

02:01:29.880 In the early 1950s, the company was renamed Pergamon Press

02:01:33.780 And this company soon became the cornerstone of Maxwell's media empire

02:01:37.200 A few years after being officially recruited as an asset of Israeli intelligence, and this is pretty much proven, like this is on record, he was working with Israeli intelligence, Maxwell ran for public office, becoming a member of the British Parliament for the Labour Party in 1964.

02:01:56.480 Before having lost nearly everything, Maxwell devoted his time to consolidate control over an ever-growing web of interlocking companies, trusts, and foundations that now encompassed much more than needed concerns during this time.

02:02:10.480 He also began developing deep ties to prominent politicians, businessmen, and their fixers, a group that Maxwell proudly referred to as his sources.

02:02:19.160 Maxwell had long been interested in Bulgaria

02:02:26.660 even before he first was brought into Mossad's fold in the 60s

02:02:31.080 in one of his earliest meetings with Vladimir Khrushchev

02:02:34.540 the KGB chief and one of the most powerful Maxwell sources

02:02:37.960 Maxwell had raised the possibility that Bulgaria might be a country

02:02:41.340 where he'd invest money away from prying eyes of Sydney, London and Wall Street

02:02:46.260 One of Maxwell's associations with Bulgarian intelligence came a program called NEVA.

02:02:52.340 NEVA was designed to be a single large program for the mass-scale theft of U.S. technology

02:02:59.400 and sought to plunder every Western industrialized nation.

02:03:03.380 According to Gordon Thomas, Robert Maxwell created the umbrella of companies used in NEVA within six months.

02:03:08.860 Thanks to Maxwell, the country had become the center of a thriving economy based on whole-scale theft and money laundering.

02:03:16.940 Maxwell would ultimately play a crucial role in allowing his organized crime interests to enter the world of respectable international finance.

02:03:24.480 It's unknown if any of the results in Khrushchev's plan, Maxwell's connection to other unsavory characters would undeniably have a considerable impact on the expansion of the mobsters' legitimate and illegitimate businesses

02:03:37.160 and fostered the expansion of the global criminal network.

02:03:41.320 And Maxwell had helped spawn through a radical multi-group.

02:03:47.140 So you've got Robert Maxwell, Glenn Maxwell's father.

02:03:50.900 He's running blackmail operations.

02:03:53.000 He's working with criminals.

02:03:54.340 He's laundering money.

02:03:56.040 He's participating in mass intellectual property theft

02:03:59.580 in the name of Israel through Mossad.

02:04:02.900 like this is one of many identical characters you see throughout this all working with israel

02:04:12.760 and jill a maxwell as i had said was just sort of like almost employed by her father

02:04:19.040 to be moving in these circles you know his publishing empire was to the side and now he

02:04:24.960 was just interested in being in rooms with powerful people and what do you do with that

02:04:30.700 where you start getting information and it seems to me that the story is that at these upper levels

02:04:37.200 it's impossible to be in these rooms without engaging with people like robert maxwell or

02:04:46.160 jeffrey epstein that's when he's got so many fucking photos that's why he's got photos the

02:04:51.620 gnome chomps you know this private jet like it's it's almost unavoidable like because that that's

02:04:57.960 their job. That's what they're there to do. You think that

02:04:59.980 you're talking to Epstein because you want something from it.

02:05:02.100 No, he wants to be close to you.

02:05:04.940 He's going to corner

02:05:05.800 you in the room. He's going to get you into his

02:05:07.920 order because that's all they're fucking there

02:05:10.020 for. They're there

02:05:11.780 to be present in rooms with important

02:05:13.880 people. And whenever you are

02:05:15.820 present in a room with them, they're

02:05:17.840 figuring out a way to siphon

02:05:20.180 something from you.

02:05:22.120 Right? And what they represent.

02:05:24.040 And if they leave one...

02:05:26.780 If we leave this

02:05:27.900 first volume with one thing

02:05:29.560 is that

02:05:30.620 these networks are so

02:05:33.880 prevalent in

02:05:35.820 I don't even want to say the American system

02:05:38.240 it's the international system

02:05:39.540 Eastern Europe is any different

02:05:40.880 what do you learn is like oh America operates like Russia

02:05:44.180 Russia is

02:05:45.760 oh it's a gangster kleptocracy

02:05:48.100 of you know aristocratic

02:05:49.880 elites and you know

02:05:51.560 criminal underworlds

02:05:54.000 various criminal underworlds

02:05:55.100 it's not here too and they make up their

02:05:57.820 own banks they just make banks for money laundry and you get your own corrupt government officials

02:06:04.780 involved to just cover the entire thing up like it's it's like there's like seven different banks

02:06:13.020 listed in this book that are set up for these various purposes and then that's nine including

02:06:17.740 the franklin and they're all there to launder money what's what's the money for it's either for

02:06:23.500 illegal wars or it's for sex traffic it's always those two things there's no other reason a lot of

02:06:30.460 money drugs sex trafficking or legal wars and how many banks are there set up just for that

02:06:37.180 with the knowledge and endorsement of the government so it's like once you get to these

02:06:42.060 levels it's like that they're all kind of culpable and they're all excited to be there

02:06:48.380 because remember they knew jeffrey epstein was in trouble for underage sex procuring underage

02:06:55.420 sex in the 1990s he was already kind of a toxic individual and they still went to his island they

02:07:03.460 still met up with him they still don't but anyway that's what what she's saying this book is it is

02:07:08.860 the system and that sounds like it's dismissive like it's it it's not too big it's like it can't

02:07:16.920 be unwound it still is just men in room that's all this is that's all anything is it's men in

02:07:24.160 rooms men in rooms can get shot men in rooms can get hurt you know he's like you see look what

02:07:33.680 happened to jeffrey epstein he thought he couldn't get touched guess what you know so with jeffrey

02:07:42.560 Epstein, you do get the sense, though,

02:07:44.400 and we'll end on this, this comic, because we have to ignore it.

02:07:47.200 You do get the sense

02:07:48.020 that this system

02:07:50.020 that was orchestrating

02:07:52.740 and constructed in the 20th century,

02:07:54.480 that is what is being

02:07:56.120 collapsed right now.

02:07:58.280 A type like Jeffrey Epstein, as I said

02:08:00.360 at the start, might not be as necessary

02:08:02.380 anymore. It's all

02:08:04.380 technological. We live

02:08:06.400 in, as I said, the security panopticon.

02:08:09.320 We're talking about

02:08:10.520 data centers the size of cities.

02:08:12.560 why do you need a Jeffrey Epstein

02:08:15.620 when you have a

02:08:17.520 one billion hectare

02:08:19.400 data center

02:08:21.220 outside of

02:08:23.480 every town in America, right?

02:08:26.980 You don't need

02:08:27.720 it. It's just too clumsy. Why do you need a guy?

02:08:30.180 We could just have

02:08:31.380 why not nanobots? Why not Starlink?

02:08:33.940 Why not any of this shit?

02:08:35.860 So as we're learning about this

02:08:37.760 I do use this as an

02:08:39.620 historical document.

02:08:40.600 do that this is not the steps quote he's long it's my suspicion anyway anyway what do you think

02:08:47.200 about all this i know it's it's kind of hard to keep things like this is more like setting up

02:08:52.420 the players showing the shape of the thing and showing how well the two things i got away from

02:08:59.700 it is like obviously i knew that jeffrey epstein was one of many but i didn't i never really made

02:09:04.640 the connection that one of many over literally a century or more and that the peak of this

02:09:10.480 activity was not recently it probably was just like in the post-war years the other thing is

02:09:15.760 that obviously we knew that he was massad and we knew that he was doing this for the jewish

02:09:19.960 government or the jewish intelligence apparatus but like the the associations and the groups that

02:09:26.000 he was part of this is actually not just funding israel it's israel's primary source of funding

02:09:32.560 like the the entire israeli government in that post-war period was actually built up out of

02:09:38.500 these exact types of operations epstein type operations which makes sense because we know

02:09:44.260 from a lot of other angles that everyone involved in the early israeli government was some kind of

02:09:49.500 either mobster or terrorist it's literally how the country was founded so i mean why wouldn't it why

02:09:54.360 wouldn't they be so yeah it kind of ties it all together it's cool yeah like at the upper levels

02:10:00.100 if you're talking about what

02:10:02.120 Israel wants to do and what Israel has

02:10:04.140 wanted to do for decades upon decades

02:10:06.240 it is

02:10:07.720 criminal activity that they don't see

02:10:10.260 as criminal and once

02:10:12.140 you get into these upper

02:10:14.020 echelons into these rooms

02:10:15.900 the concept of

02:10:17.960 crime seems to fall away

02:10:19.600 like you know we're not laundering

02:10:21.700 fucking drug and pimp money

02:10:23.800 we're getting funds for

02:10:25.920 Israel by whatever means

02:10:27.960 necessary it doesn't matter where the

02:10:29.540 money's coming from we're gonna rebuild the third temple we're taking over territory we're kicking

02:10:35.280 the palestinians that we need money for that the end is just the five minutes that's and so once

02:10:40.700 once you're in it you're like nothing's illegal i'm on an island you've ever been to the lake

02:10:48.100 been on vacation you're like nothing nothing counts there's a crime you can you know you can

02:10:54.420 drink and be on a sea do they're they're thinking about that when they're on the island like having

02:10:59.140 satanic orgies like this isn't crime

02:11:01.300 how could it be crime

02:11:02.780 Noam Chomsky's here, Stephen Hawking's here

02:11:05.660 so that's the

02:11:07.180 like adopt the mindset of these

02:11:09.520 people where it's like I want to do a thing

02:11:11.540 and I don't fucking care

02:11:12.980 that doesn't count, none of this counts

02:11:15.660 it's very core to the Jewish

02:11:17.800 outlook

02:11:18.660 I met a special

02:11:21.460 guy who really cares not

02:11:23.480 he doesn't wear shoes

02:11:24.660 he's walking around his house in bare feet

02:11:27.160 in a quarter zip this guy he knows he i hear he goes to the white house too and he did

02:11:34.420 who get that next book and um i don't people like that and we got to go now

02:11:39.080 i am here

02:11:56.880 with a guy I've been following for a little bit,

02:12:01.300 but he's relatively new online.

02:12:03.220 His name is Upper Canadian Cavalier.

02:12:06.260 He's been writing a lot of great sub stacks.

02:12:08.740 He's been writing a lot of great posts

02:12:10.200 about Canadian politics, Canadian history,

02:12:13.520 topics that will be very familiar

02:12:15.240 to listeners of this show.

02:12:16.980 But he's got some very unique insight

02:12:19.420 in a few key areas.

02:12:22.380 And he's, well, first of all,

02:12:24.600 thank you so much for taking the time

02:12:26.000 to come on our little show here.

02:12:29.660 Thanks for having me.

02:12:31.400 I'm pretty excited.

02:12:33.340 I saw you had Max on last week,

02:12:36.340 so I'm excited to go there.

02:12:39.720 I'm very impressed with all the caliber of individual

02:12:43.580 you have on as guests.

02:12:45.520 So thanks for the invitation.

02:12:47.700 Well, thank you very much.

02:12:48.680 I had a great time with Max.

02:12:50.420 Just by the end of it, we were having just a lot of fun,

02:12:53.200 going way over the time.

02:12:56.000 And I'm doing a more concerted effort to get more of these Canadian guys

02:13:01.640 I've been watching, especially younger guys, newer guys.

02:13:05.580 And I started reaching further afield because I thought I was becoming

02:13:10.920 a bit too focused on Ontario.

02:13:13.560 I had Marty up north on not long ago.

02:13:16.420 I've had a few people.

02:13:17.180 But Fortisax, I think, is technically west coast.

02:13:21.240 But I'm like, I don't know anybody, Mantoba.

02:13:23.880 I'm fucking slamming my head against

02:13:26.720 while trying to get someone from Quebec on here.

02:13:29.120 The East Coast might not even

02:13:30.660 fucking exist right now. I don't know.

02:13:32.660 I don't know what's going on over there. I'm trying to get

02:13:34.760 as many different voices as I can

02:13:36.880 because there's so much good Canadian

02:13:38.800 talent out there. But as we

02:13:40.740 were discussing before the show, no one talks

02:13:42.780 to each other. Or

02:13:44.480 they're doing it more now.

02:13:46.740 But back when I started,

02:13:48.940 no one was

02:13:50.180 talking to each other, connecting. Everyone was

02:13:52.400 feuding. Everyone was beefing.

02:13:53.880 so it's quite a bit better now um and just to tee you up i wanted to i would describe you

02:14:02.320 as someone has having a unique insight into canadian politics because you were formerly

02:14:08.600 much more involved in conservative politics here in ontario but in ontario this is where

02:14:16.620 politics lives this is this is for people of the american persuasion list today if you're in

02:14:22.800 Ontario Ontario is the capital province I don't think we often want to talk about that but

02:14:28.400 to you know if you look at regional politics in in Canada everyone really likes to engage in it

02:14:36.320 except for Ontario because there's oftentimes very you know very uh serious consequences when

02:14:44.040 Ontario uh moves it kind of shakes the ground and gets everybody else uh really upset and

02:14:50.020 and afraid um in terms of that yeah you know i got a deep background in federal politics as well

02:14:56.260 as i've i've dabbled a bit in provincial politics as well so i have a question for you no i'm you

02:15:05.740 know for people who are watching i'm gonna make every effort to keep his identity secret because

02:15:11.760 this is a guy who knows things and so if we are skimming some details or not drilling too deep

02:15:20.200 into this or that there's a reason there but you're just gonna have to trust me that this guy

02:15:25.600 knows what he's talking about and let me ask you this i was thinking about this just before i went

02:15:30.080 live was it you who was on the election stream with uh myself and i think it was for the sax

02:15:40.040 and is hosted by Wilhelm Apologist.

02:15:42.860 Is that you or is that someone else?

02:15:44.580 No, no, I wasn't online during the election.

02:15:48.740 All right, cool.

02:15:49.260 Because we had another guy and he was affiliated somewhat

02:15:53.840 at that time, I believe, with the Conservative Party of Canada.

02:15:57.660 And he was letting us know how big of a problem they have

02:16:02.080 with people being gay.

02:16:03.920 There's a lot of homosexuals.

02:16:06.500 And that's something we joke about.

02:16:07.880 that's something that you know even liberals like to say oh dude the velvet mafia the velvet mafia

02:16:13.300 okay let's start with with that is that real what can we say about that that's 100 real it's 100

02:16:21.200 real and the higher up you go like you know one of the structural problems within the conservative

02:16:26.740 party is that the higher up you go the more snaky people become and i don't you know i don't really

02:16:34.440 want to attack you know gays too much but there isn't you know gays do kind of uh they do tend

02:16:41.880 to over index when it comes to being able to be a little catty and and stuff like that and so

02:16:47.400 there's this thing that is informally known as the velvet mafia and it's basically a cabal of

02:16:54.880 homosexual staffers that look out for one another and they don't necessarily blackball people but

02:17:02.020 Are they going to be using their position of power and privilege to sway away the people that are not 100% in line with them?

02:17:20.640 And so, you know, if you do ever get involved in politics and if there's anybody listening who is in within a party apparatus, the higher up you go, the more the more everything becomes very tightly controlled.

02:17:36.560 And there's, you know, there's conversations behind the scenes, nonstop about figuring out every angle, everything, everything at the highest levels is always very heavily, very heavily synthetically controlled.

02:17:52.500 Nothing is organic, but it's meant to look organic.

02:17:55.480 And so, you know, when you get to the higher levels of the party, you know, when you talk about the gay thing, like, yeah, like there's, there is that.

02:18:04.600 you know i've had um i i have a i have a friend who's straight and he he was uh he he was he was

02:18:13.880 uh he was he wasn't proposition but it was almost like kind of it wasn't like breaking the law but

02:18:20.280 it was kind of like groomy groom groomer adjacent where you know receiving the gifts and and getting

02:18:27.000 you know like affection which it was just kind of like weird and out of place and then he got

02:18:32.280 invited to the party and he like he turned down the party and like that was it never had to deal

02:18:37.480 with it again and tell you what this is the only me too that i believe in this is what i want to

02:18:42.520 stop i want to stop out gay guys being a bit too friendly and making me uncomfortable oh 100 there

02:18:49.080 was even times too where i would i would just be friendly with um i would just be friendly with

02:18:54.680 people and then and then a little bit later you know i i'd like find out like oh like that was

02:18:59.960 that was a homosexual like oh like oh that's why like oh my goodness like it even it even

02:19:06.000 you know lightly yeah people have been friendly with me but you know i don't i don't want to

02:19:10.520 get too too far in depth there but uh i think i think there's i think that definitely happens

02:19:16.560 up there right so this guy he invited me over to watch a movie in his basement and i think we're

02:19:23.060 going to talk about the laurentians you know that's what happened with kevin spacey there was

02:19:29.380 and I won't get into the whole Kevin Spacey thing

02:19:31.240 but I saw this documentary of this

02:19:33.480 guy who he got

02:19:35.540 me too'd by Kevin Spacey

02:19:37.340 and here's the situation that happened

02:19:39.700 he was at a party

02:19:41.080 and Kevin Spacey

02:19:42.960 kind of peeped him from across the room

02:19:45.440 and came over and said

02:19:47.440 in this voice

02:19:48.620 and who are you?

02:19:52.360 just like that

02:19:52.980 and the guy, straight guy, he's like

02:19:55.260 oh it's Kevin Spacey

02:19:56.680 and I'm trying to be an actor, he's going to help my career

02:19:59.360 and then kevin spacey invites him over just him to his house to watch movies which isn't something

02:20:06.640 guys do normally it's not like come come to my house and just watch a movie at 10 pm or maybe

02:20:12.880 they do i don't know i'm too old i don't know what people do these days but then he's like and then

02:20:16.480 he tried to like run his hand at my leg i'm like well yeah you like you put yourself in the gay

02:20:22.000 situation and possibly i'm on his side i wouldn't do that i wouldn't be there

02:20:27.200 well that's yeah that's precisely too where there's a little bit of like the

02:20:32.120 you know it's so it's so far out of like the overton window for some people that they're just

02:20:37.920 they're just like what what do you mean like they're just so just so clueless so well you

02:20:43.180 can't let people just be too nice to you he's like in that example the guy was thinking

02:20:47.860 Kevin Spacey, he just met me but he really

02:20:50.320 wants to help me with my career

02:20:51.640 like if you heard a woman say that about a guy

02:20:54.300 you'd be like, okay, you're retarded

02:20:56.640 yeah

02:20:57.700 yeah, for sure

02:21:00.760 the other problem too is

02:21:02.480 politics does, it does over

02:21:04.520 index in terms of

02:21:05.920 how many people go

02:21:08.460 they're idealistic and like they're really

02:21:10.560 like they have, you know

02:21:12.420 rosy eyes and they're just

02:21:14.320 looking at things and they're going, hey like

02:21:16.220 i want to make a difference i'm gonna i'm gonna fix things and you know it's kind of like that

02:21:21.540 sam hyde meme where you know he's like oh the the party needs me like

02:21:27.020 yeah it's just like polyam well polyam needs me okay i'll do it polyam

02:21:34.140 but i you know i'm gonna ask a couple questions relating the conservative party of canada

02:21:40.760 to their opponents liberal party and this might be unknowable but i have my suspicion

02:21:45.680 I'm wondering if, let's talk about the young people within the Conservative Party of Canada.

02:21:52.940 Would you say they're more or less idealistic than liberals, young liberals?

02:22:00.240 So I think it's a mix.

02:22:04.380 I think that from the young liberals I met, they all typically were very idealistic.

02:22:10.180 But I think there was a strong element there of subservience to power.

02:22:15.680 where the conservatives would maybe be a little bit more subservient to,

02:22:23.460 or they'd be following a framework that was more in line with like,

02:22:28.700 well, these are the traditional values that we believe in.

02:22:31.040 It's more like, it's like, you know, power politics versus principles-based politics.

02:22:38.140 So, you know, that's why a lot of the times, like the young liberal people you meet are just like,

02:22:43.340 total they're they're well put together they're sharp but like you know right underneath the skin

02:22:48.880 you can tell like a lot of them are just sociopaths um and then you know a lot of the

02:22:53.640 a lot of conservative ones some some of the conservative ones are just like kind of social

02:22:59.200 liberals but they're like you know they just kind of grew up in a conservative family and this is

02:23:03.720 like this is the tribe that they're a part of even though they don't even really believe in any of the

02:23:07.500 stuff so that's another problem too um that's how i would that's how i would describe those

02:23:14.760 so and when it comes to you know again comparing the conservatives to liberals

02:23:20.940 just to circle back to the what we were just talking about and again maybe it's unknowable but

02:23:27.280 the suspicion is that there might even be more gays in the conservative party than in the liberals

02:23:35.120 Can we speak to that?

02:23:36.180 Like, does it seem disproportionate?

02:23:39.920 Because to me, there's something lurking in the Conservative Party that's really just kind of, I don't want to say hypocritical, but very counterintuitive.

02:23:48.480 Yeah, so what I would say is basically there's probably less gays in the Conservative Party, but the gays that are in the Conservative Party are at a disproportionate higher level.

02:24:02.160 and so they're they're almost it's almost like they're elites that have like captured

02:24:06.880 an organization and the other thing to do is is they can't fully capture the organization

02:24:12.020 like there's always cabals of like networks of like groups of people that are loyal to like

02:24:19.000 either certain entities or certain people or certain ideologies they're constantly competing

02:24:24.140 for power within the political parties and that's how you know politicians like you know

02:24:30.400 polyev and no tool and steven harper like a lot of these guys they build coalitions of various

02:24:37.120 different groups which means that they're like their their leadership apparatus gets gets brings

02:24:44.240 on some of these people sometimes and they get penetrated that way so uh no to pardon the pun

02:24:51.520 i wasn't gonna say anything yeah but uh with and what i what i'd say is there is that um

02:24:58.880 you know if you were to compare that to the liberals the liberals you know

02:25:03.440 homosexuality is not nearly as taboo of a thing and so you know they don't there there isn't

02:25:12.960 like if if we were to like think of this in like any more esoteric um

02:25:18.240 metaphysical landscape they don't have the same they don't have the same like outward pressure

02:25:25.520 binding them all together and so like they're not going to have like kind of like that cabal of like

02:25:32.380 gay tories uh you know coming coming together and part of the pun again um

02:25:39.020 i don't know why that one just slipped right past me

02:25:44.580 yeah yeah um so they're they're they're that's gonna that's gonna bind them together i i think

02:25:52.720 that that's kind of my theory and then based on what i've seen you know they're they're going to

02:25:58.920 be in higher level offices like they're not um you know if you're if you think of it as a pyramid

02:26:05.840 structure like they're going to be they're going to be fewer of them but how much higher up on the

02:26:11.340 totem pole than and what um and what what the liberals would have because the liberals again

02:26:18.300 and they're going to have a much broader coalition.

02:26:22.040 And the Liberals have worked with client groups

02:26:25.160 for a much longer time than the Tories have.

02:26:29.980 Yeah, and another question.

02:26:32.680 And just from an outsider's perspective,

02:26:35.240 one interesting dimension of that is that

02:26:37.600 the Conservatives, it seems to be gay men,

02:26:41.180 whereas the Liberals, it's gay men and gay women.

02:26:43.980 But I don't know really of any significant number

02:26:47.360 of like conservative lesbians which is i don't know if that means anything but i wanted to

02:26:53.360 just inquire a bit further we mentioned cabals we mentioned networks and you had a very interesting

02:26:59.060 model there about you know certain figures who gathered cabals around them i was wondering if

02:27:04.820 you could sort of paint a picture of what that might look like one that jumps to mind for me

02:27:09.800 and i've been reading about this in the news quite a bit over the past nine to 12 months is

02:27:15.380 the Kalistani

02:27:17.440 or the Sikh

02:27:19.140 technically they're called Sikhs

02:27:21.340 but some people don't know what that means

02:27:23.320 when I say it vocally, they only see it in print

02:27:25.120 but overall

02:27:26.840 a segment of Indian

02:27:29.020 money because

02:27:30.820 some of these groups are quite well funded

02:27:33.200 and they have infiltrated

02:27:35.020 the conservative party, so would that be an example of a cabal

02:27:37.400 or are there any others that

02:27:38.860 Yeah, that would be

02:27:40.840 I don't

02:27:41.400 I would say with the Indian and the immigrant ones

02:27:45.200 like those guys those guys are more like ruthless but they're not nearly as competent

02:27:50.180 so like they're you know they're high time preference they do bring in a bunch of money

02:27:57.660 which is why you know if you like if you want to get close to close to the leader close to

02:28:04.860 power close to leadership you have to provide value right you can't just come with good ideas

02:28:10.460 and say that oh i have a genuine heart i want to i want to see canada great again like that that's

02:28:16.620 not enough unfortunately and so you know if if you're if you're basically an illiterate secret

02:28:23.340 you can bring in millions of dollars a year in donations like all of a sudden now you're

02:28:28.700 you're a guy who like you know conversations can be had with right um but what what would

02:28:35.100 what they even talk about because you know if they're sort of um as flat-brained as we might

02:28:40.940 say it's like well i know what you're gonna say you're gonna say just allow more of my people in

02:28:45.360 but you can kind of predict that so you just it almost sounds like you're just taking their money

02:28:50.220 and then putting on the little dress and dancing around but maybe they're not taking

02:28:55.180 some of these they're not taking as seriously and that's this is this is like the thing i've

02:29:01.620 notice with politics over over over my experiences with it is that there's so much grifting in

02:29:09.880 politics that like you know people think that like these politicians are like they're getting

02:29:15.600 captured by these like immigrant groups and it's like no actually these politicians are grifting

02:29:20.440 for like power and donations like like they like they'll sell them out like they like they're not

02:29:26.640 these politicians aren't loyal to these guys right like they're willing to debase themselves

02:29:31.120 and, you know, put the dot on their head and, you know,

02:29:33.840 wrap the bandana around their head and go to the temple

02:29:36.080 and, you know, give a little ethnic speech.

02:29:38.400 But, like, these guys will sell them out, like, immediately, right?

02:29:43.300 And so a lot of what happens, I think, is that these guys will play this game

02:29:50.820 where they, you know, they pretend that they're interested in calisthen

02:29:54.580 and all that stuff and da-da-da-da-da, but you get past it.

02:29:59.260 Like, just the same way they grift all the other people as politicians, they're grifting these immigrant groups too.

02:30:05.840 Now, some of these immigrant groups, I think, have figured this out maybe, but a lot of them don't, you know, a lot of them are very tribal.

02:30:12.800 And there's a very, there's almost like a relationship going back to, like, if you looked at, like, the British in India, how they would, like, work with local elites to control the people.

02:30:26.740 like they do they do the same thing here in effect where there's there's people that get power and

02:30:32.420 prestige by being the community leader within or immigrant groups who then work with the politicians

02:30:38.820 and there's even a little bit of a competitive process there as well so um yeah it's the whole

02:30:46.800 system the whole system is very gross i had a couple questions to ask based on that but just

02:30:52.740 before i forget um so we mentioned a couple of let's call them cabals can you think of any others

02:30:59.500 any of the jump to mind that we might not be thinking of any who wields power or influence

02:31:05.140 in that party so the big so basically any group that jason kenny has ever met with like publicly

02:31:14.220 those are all technically like there's a lot of groups that like kind of exist at a little level

02:31:21.080 and then there's groups that exist at a high level and like nobody really knows and so um

02:31:27.320 the one that one group i would talk talk about it would be the ishmaelie muslims with the aga khan

02:31:34.500 they uh like they're effectively basically a religious cult like a big one but like

02:31:40.960 it's effectively just a religious cult and like their head religious leader it's like a hereditary

02:31:46.520 monarchy back in the 1970s uh you're familiar with idi amin in uh uganda how he he evicted all

02:31:57.060 the uh of the indians there yeah so he did that a lot of indians there were actually uh ismaili

02:32:04.760 muslims and ismaili muslims if you're are you familiar with them at all um not intimately in

02:32:12.620 any way though so have you ever played

02:32:14.660 Assassin's Creed yes

02:32:16.400 like you know the

02:32:17.760 assassins like

02:32:19.780 that's based off of the

02:32:22.800 assassins from

02:32:24.560 like the

02:32:26.600 early middle ages

02:32:28.520 where like they would fight the

02:32:30.540 Crusaders and Saladin and like

02:32:32.720 in the Middle East

02:32:34.340 yes I think that was even the

02:32:36.540 first game and they're fighting the

02:32:38.620 Templars that who were like operating

02:32:40.740 as the crusaders i'm pretty sure notice that he didn't even ask which assassin's creed i play it's

02:32:47.140 like yeah most of them yeah yeah so so these guys the israeli muslims are their descendants

02:32:56.180 okay like like like these guys these guys have like these guys have had wars with the mongols

02:33:03.140 like and these guys are like a religious cult that just kind of like shape shifts and moves

02:33:07.780 and like hides in plain sight how do you spell the name again uh just uh let me just pull it up

02:33:16.260 quickly so i think i got it yeah it's a big it's a big rabbit hole to go down but these um

02:33:26.980 yeah that's them that's them so i and i actually have uh some articles teed up on these guys i'm

02:33:33.880 going to be releasing on my uh sub stack in the uh in the next couple of weeks um

02:33:42.060 these guys so the aga con he's the head of their organization he's he's like it's like a hereditary

02:33:52.560 monarchy but it's like a it's a religious thing where you know there's millions of these muslims

02:33:57.620 that just like tithe him money every year and he like kind of takes care of the community but these

02:34:02.440 the followers of this religion are like incredibly fanatical but they're they're very very good at

02:34:09.380 hiding themselves um so i actually learned a lot about these guys from somebody who was a convert

02:34:18.300 but he was a little bit of an arrogant person and he was bragging to me about

02:34:23.160 bragging to me about how these guys work but these guys are very heavily situated in ottawa um

02:34:30.720 so to go back into the story

02:34:34.840 Justin Trudeau's father

02:34:37.220 Pierre Elliott Trudeau went to Harvard

02:34:39.420 with the Aga Khan

02:34:41.720 and there were classmates at Harvard

02:34:45.760 I believe that was the case

02:34:47.600 I think that's correct

02:34:50.820 but they had an overlapping moment in earlier life

02:34:54.840 where they had come across each other

02:34:57.220 when when Idi Amin is kicking out all of these um kicking out all these dismayli muslims because

02:35:06.080 he doesn't want them there anymore and uh so he does that

02:35:13.220 he does that and then the Aga Khan talks to just or Pierre Trudeau and Pierre Trudeau lets a like

02:35:22.400 a ton of them flood in and that's actually right around the time where they changed the the

02:35:28.340 multicultural immigration system i guess i guess that's what i'd like to also establish for people

02:35:35.660 that there is a consequence to all this uh you know allow it's not there's the grifting of course

02:35:42.100 but there also seems to be if you allow enough these people in not only will they populate your

02:35:48.640 ranks but you know they can exert that influence in very measurable ways would that be fair to say

02:35:55.020 well and the danger is is when you allow foreigners you allow their foreign elites to

02:36:00.040 penetrate into your system those people burrow in and those people act like sleeper agents for

02:36:05.080 their ideology or their tribe or whatever it is and one of the biggest problems today is the fact

02:36:11.360 that like if you get into the conservative party technically all you need to do is capture the

02:36:16.260 leader the leadership or or the liberals as you capture the leadership you could then initiate

02:36:22.900 a purge of all all of like the the the other kind of like those double agent types who are

02:36:30.860 affiliated with those communities but the problem is that so much of the political power structure

02:36:37.940 today has been has been corrupted through this where you know if you wanted to do a movement

02:36:43.420 within the conservative party to fix it like you would get you would get torn down by people like

02:36:48.500 jason kenny and arrow tool like they would they would phone up the the right gatekeepers and they

02:36:54.720 would like in real time they would figure out strategies to basically interrupt you and wear

02:37:01.060 you down until you run out of energy to win and and you know something like the dominion society

02:37:06.860 where they're building up a new structure

02:37:09.540 to influence

02:37:11.420 meta-politics, that is

02:37:13.540 something that actually would be

02:37:15.320 immune to that.

02:37:17.540 So you used the example of

02:37:19.200 Jason Kenney. What's his

02:37:21.100 endgame? What's his agenda?

02:37:23.900 We were electing

02:37:25.260 him as one of the biggest

02:37:26.660 compromised sellouts, but

02:37:29.000 and he would try and stop

02:37:31.340 you from fixing the system.

02:37:33.200 What's driving him?

02:37:36.860 um you know i get the very speculative question of course we don't know him personally i'm just

02:37:43.640 yeah yeah yeah like i've heard i've heard through the grapevine i can't really confirm this but i've

02:37:49.940 heard through the grapevine that he's like he's like a very uh extreme catholic like opus day

02:37:55.680 um which if you're familiar with the da vinci code where the guy has like the glitcher

02:38:01.660 on his thing like he hurts himself that like that that monk that would it was like the villain of

02:38:07.180 the first uh first movie like that's opus day um no i mean that's fictionalized a little bit too

02:38:12.980 and stuff i've i've heard that um you know jason kenney he's a guy who's been you know alleged to

02:38:20.560 be part of the velvet mafia as well so um he's i'm just studying his face right now i have to

02:38:30.180 Give me a moment.

02:38:31.040 I'm trying to detect homosexuality.

02:38:33.200 The physiognomy?

02:38:34.100 Yeah.

02:38:34.900 You know what?

02:38:36.140 Because you can tell with the smile.

02:38:38.540 I don't know, man.

02:38:40.380 I would be surprised if he was.

02:38:44.540 Do you remember that story I was telling you about my buddy beforehand?

02:38:49.040 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:50.040 Yeah, Jason Kenney was the guy who was doing that.

02:38:52.300 No way.

02:38:53.140 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:54.660 Fuck.

02:38:55.140 if I was in the conservative party

02:38:57.960 I'd be molested three ways from Sunday

02:39:00.300 I'd be getting

02:39:01.520 the drop on me thinking I'm safe

02:39:04.240 me going

02:39:06.200 to everyone's swimming pool party

02:39:08.420 so like Jason

02:39:10.000 Kenny came out of the reform party in the 90s

02:39:12.600 like out of Alberta

02:39:13.980 like this isn't a guy who just

02:39:16.160 like decided to like

02:39:17.980 start running politics two years ago

02:39:19.660 he came to the reform

02:39:22.080 party from Alberta in the 90s

02:39:24.000 Like, like that should be, you know, he should be like, you know, have his own little cowboy ranch and going around, you know, with his big family talking, you know, about Torrey Valley.

02:39:33.260 But truth is, is the guy is just a metrosexual, right?

02:39:36.840 And, you know, he works very hard, but at the same time, too, like, you know, there was a tweet a couple weeks, not even a couple months ago by now, where he came out and he was very proud about the fact that he would have, he was instrumental with the Reform Party of having blacklists for people that wanted to talk about immigration.

02:39:59.640 you know when i was when i was much more involved in um the inside the the harper machine days like

02:40:07.760 if you were to go up against immigration like that was like half a step away from like

02:40:13.740 you know being being a neo-nazi like it was just like the amount of pressure on that like

02:40:19.140 you couldn't you couldn't criticize it you couldn't you didn't try and do any counter

02:40:24.500 Satan went nothing right you weren't you weren't allowed to do it at all and that's the uh and

02:40:30.560 that's and that's part of the problem there too which is you know why uh why I think it was so

02:40:37.160 bad is that you know Harper centralized a ton of a ton of power and then he never he never wielded

02:40:44.100 it right like he just kind of choked he uh just nothing could you speak to that because I'd love

02:40:50.960 to hear a bit more about that i don't know too much about it steven harper centralizing power

02:40:56.000 are we still living with the consequences of that they still have that power or how did that affect

02:41:02.360 where we are now so so basically after i mean to give to give you the the quick the quick full story

02:41:11.420 after the pc federal pcs blew up because of the reform party and uh people being pissed off about

02:41:19.120 them uh you know we obviously we went through this whole process of the reform party building

02:41:25.840 their grassroots stuff preston manning he started it but he wasn't really sufficiently like uh

02:41:32.340 counter elite build and one of the problems with populism is is that they like they view elites as

02:41:37.780 something that's foreign and bad which actually you need internal elites to be able to control

02:41:42.420 things uh stability and add stability to to your movement and uh so stephen harper he was a part

02:41:50.340 of that back then and then i think what happened is he ended up getting red-pilled on basically

02:41:55.800 the chaos of like populism and so he got elected as a member of parliament he then left and he went

02:42:03.580 to the national citizens coalition to build up to build up uh you know like a a power base there

02:42:12.940 and then he used that to kind of capture the conservative party when it unified

02:42:18.460 um and he took the he took he succeeded uh stock all day after stock will they um took over uh

02:42:26.940 or beat out preston manning and so so then what happened basically

02:42:33.800 the laurentians have engineered canada to be a left-wing country and so like you know why

02:42:42.440 why when you go to a public school today why would they like why are they trying to indoctrinate you

02:42:47.460 to become gay and like you know a bunch of all this other like cultural marxist you know nonsense

02:42:52.760 right it's all designed to basically engineer the country to make everybody into a progressive

02:42:59.300 is as best they can and so because of that and because you know that that process started on

02:43:06.360 the boomers and so many people then push through that system along with you know starting with

02:43:12.560 trudeau they imported like you know you know i think we're at like 15 20 million people they've

02:43:17.940 imported i think it's close to 15 actually we're now in this like structural left-wing country

02:43:25.040 where if you want to play fairly by the rules the conservatives do they will lose and so the

02:43:32.620 only way the conservatives can ever form a government the thing that the thing that

02:43:37.380 indicates the conservatives or the thing that will determine if conservatives form a government

02:43:42.480 is not really even how hard they campaign or do anything.

02:43:50.420 Like Pierre Polyev last election actually had the greatest results on a vote basis

02:43:57.860 that a conservative has ever gotten.

02:44:01.880 And what happened was, is that in 2011, Harper got a majority.

02:44:08.600 It was completely a shot in the dark.

02:44:13.440 And it was only because Jack Layton surged in the last couple of weeks.

02:44:17.780 And so that's why he got the majority government.

02:44:20.560 And today, because of what Jagmeet Singh did with the NDP in terms of just, he kept on selling it out.

02:44:30.380 He just debased the party and the party really, really crashed.

02:44:35.160 that that led to basically trudeau and the and carney being able to just to stay in power and

02:44:45.880 of course too carney had uh he mobilized the entire you know apparatus to basically

02:44:52.900 do a complete narrative switch in the in the over to the window but

02:44:57.040 yeah from your perspective uh looking at the sudden arrival of mark carney and what that

02:45:06.840 did to pier polio's campaign what do you think the conservatives were thinking at the time

02:45:12.740 when all this was happening and what do you think they're thinking now with a bit of distance from

02:45:19.280 what happened because we covered this pretty extensively at the time and um i will say just

02:45:25.120 to start i thought that the conservative party would dump pier polio find someone new not someone

02:45:33.120 but too much on our side but a fresh face have another go at it because it was a pretty embarrassing

02:45:39.060 loss uh as far as i'm concerned but i wasn't expecting them to change nothing not a single

02:45:47.020 thing and just keep peer poly of in the mix walking around no one gives a fuck so what do

02:45:55.560 they think at the time when mark harney what do you think they might be thinking now is are they

02:46:01.540 just kind of stagnant in stasis so so it would go back to um well what i i just briefly referenced

02:46:12.060 which is Canada is a structurally left-wing country.

02:46:18.320 And Pierre Polyev, he works hard.

02:46:23.620 He hits all the marks.

02:46:25.800 Part of the problem is that a lot of people expect something from a politician,

02:46:31.240 and really politicians are performers in a sense.

02:46:34.380 And so Pierre Polyev is a good performer

02:46:39.000 with like the most amount of experience

02:46:41.220 that they could hope for with somebody

02:46:42.800 and they don't

02:46:45.160 really have like

02:46:46.260 that election

02:46:48.640 you know that election

02:46:51.000 was lost because

02:46:52.600 Stephen Harper when he had his majority

02:46:54.920 never gutted the Laurentian class

02:46:57.180 like he never

02:46:58.600 he should have

02:46:59.980 done a regime change at the CBC

02:47:02.660 he should have made Sun News

02:47:04.520 he should have given them subsidies

02:47:06.620 he should have started

02:47:08.540 like cracking into all these apparatuses where all these power structures for the laurentians

02:47:13.960 and the liberals flow through and start and start taking over the country or at least rebalancing it

02:47:21.040 and he never did that he just kind of sat on his hands and he would do he would do very marginal

02:47:27.100 aesthetical things that you know everybody everybody could cheer for that they had a

02:47:32.840 great victory and it's like well you change the the name of the the canadian military to

02:47:40.360 oh now it's the royal canadian navy that's the royal canadian air force like you're added royal

02:47:47.360 to the to the military branches but like you we don't even have branches of the military here like

02:47:53.220 we it's a unified command like it's like these these guys like this is part of the problem where

02:47:58.400 like, Harper had, he had, like, a generational opportunity,

02:48:02.340 and he just squandered it.

02:48:04.560 And so even, too, like, Jenny Byrne,

02:48:06.580 Jenny Byrne on that night,

02:48:10.560 Jenny Byrne, she even said, like, looking at the votes,

02:48:17.000 that, like, well, like, we actually did better than we even hoped to expect.

02:48:21.920 But they mobilized the entire apparatus in terms of, you know,

02:48:27.800 the cbc they brought in you know they brought in like you know this is a part of the problem too

02:48:33.240 is that you know if you look at the elites of the of the liberals versus the elites of the

02:48:37.160 conservatives it's like it's like you got you know you got an entire like well well funded you know

02:48:44.360 you know uh you know field army and then you got a bunch of like peasants with pitchforks on the

02:48:49.240 other side i like that you're talking about this because this touches on something that

02:48:54.520 we've been discussing in various group chats and amongst ourselves sort of debating arguing

02:49:02.000 whatever you want to call it but whether or not the conservative party of canon can be salvaged

02:49:06.260 specifically if there could be some wild dark horse candidate like donald trump who really you

02:49:15.300 know if you pay close attention that first campaign of his like he was a if anything a breath of fresh

02:49:20.480 share if nothing else electrifying and the entire republican system apparatus was aligned against

02:49:29.060 him everything i'm really not trying to promote trump too much here but they hated him i remember

02:49:36.620 i loved it and he still just elbowed and kicked his way to the top and i'm wondering based on

02:49:43.920 the structure of canadian political parties obviously is different than american political

02:49:47.980 parties could you even have someone like that just charge their way to the top show a disregard

02:49:56.460 for the entrenched elites the entrenched caucuses could you could you have someone

02:50:00.680 who actually stopped being just a performer like some of these others and actually try and wield

02:50:08.840 power be up front about it and eventually get the party on their side can you can something like

02:50:15.740 trump happen up here i suppose the question yeah like i think um you know i think i think trump

02:50:24.080 worked because the american psyche is unique and there's a reason why you know everybody

02:50:29.900 like you know and all the other you know cucked countries on the periphery of the

02:50:34.800 you know global american empire or we're not we're not interested like we're very like viscerally

02:50:41.020 like oh donald trump what is this this is so crass um so there's that i think too that like

02:50:48.080 going back to um going back to what i was talking about with the boat splitting like

02:50:53.940 if you wanted to be more effective at winning like what i'm i'm glad that peter pauliev didn't win

02:51:03.240 you know for for the main fact that that you know if he got in in power nothing would change

02:51:11.020 And so what we would really need to see is that we would need a counter-elite that's capable of wielding power.

02:51:25.920 I'll send another question for you just before I forget.

02:51:29.820 There was some discussion in some chat about Pierre Polyev about, you know, had he the ability to wield power, what would he do?

02:51:39.760 and someone had prompted me

02:51:41.640 what are his positions

02:51:44.120 what does he stand for

02:51:45.840 and I couldn't think

02:51:47.880 of one in particular

02:51:49.380 I think low taxes

02:51:51.100 he's a performer and this is the problem

02:51:53.780 where you know

02:51:54.480 going back to what I was just talking about

02:51:56.940 the most effective thing right now to be

02:51:59.620 is they actually need counter elites

02:52:02.100 like the right

02:52:03.120 they need nationalist

02:52:05.960 counter elites that are capable

02:52:08.000 of like keeping their power level like decently discreet they need to build an apparatus that's

02:52:13.960 capable of wielding power and then they need to capture power and to capture power you probably

02:52:20.760 need to build an apparatus that's capable of boosting the ndp somehow to do enough boat

02:52:26.960 splitting to to get the conservatives to slide to slide straight in there and in terms of you know

02:52:34.520 if the conservatives if the conservatives are like if that brand is worth anything i think it is

02:52:41.160 but you know at the end of the day like political parties are just they're just vessels of power

02:52:47.700 right they're just vehicles they're just vehicles for regime changes they're not like they're not

02:52:52.040 sentient you know they have a lot of you know they have a lot of uh karmatic debt and and you

02:52:59.960 know value with people they get very you know people people get like a very visceral reaction

02:53:06.660 to the liberals or the conservatives or the ndp and they love them they hate them they don't care

02:53:11.840 but that's all that is all that's all brand equity of those things right yeah and when i look at the

02:53:20.580 liberals especially mark carney i can view them and tell that they want to do something they've

02:53:27.320 got a drive and i look at the conservatives and like we're saying what would pierre paulia do

02:53:33.900 if he's in power nothing much and we're talking about how it's just sort of cynical glad handing

02:53:40.080 and the overall question is can something be done to redeem the conservative party

02:53:45.600 but it seems that they've selected pierre paulia against all odds against all sense and so i'm just

02:53:52.500 asking i'm looking to these people like do you even do you believe in anything why are you here

02:53:58.040 is it just to make deals is this just a party that makes deals because you keep losing to the

02:54:03.260 people that whether or not you agree with them they seem to believe in something and they keep

02:54:07.740 kicking your fucking ass every single time so i mean so we're talking about like could could

02:54:12.740 their system support someone that we would agree with i'm like i don't know they might treat that

02:54:19.560 as just hostile to that entire endeavor sorry continue yeah you need you need to complete like

02:54:25.120 this is why too it's not just you know you have a brand but like you gotta you need a whole counter

02:54:31.640 elite apparatus underneath it and we're talking about jason kenny who's like treating with

02:54:35.940 hostility even anyone who wants to discuss remigration which actually is to my mind one

02:54:43.080 more sensible

02:54:43.900 he was saying

02:54:47.780 on one of his posts

02:54:49.040 that Daniel Tyree should be

02:54:50.880 re-migrated

02:54:51.600 he is

02:54:55.120 very very

02:54:56.740 hyper-partisan

02:54:58.220 like a nasty guy

02:55:00.000 he's fucking stupid

02:55:02.160 I've seen so many liberals do this recently

02:55:05.360 where they think they've got

02:55:06.880 a gotcha

02:55:07.780 or a sleight of hand

02:55:09.640 you want to send back all the immigrants

02:55:12.500 how about i send you back so i'm like okay well it seems that you agree with you should deport

02:55:17.440 people that you don't like yeah fucking moron but they they think they're clever and so i just look

02:55:24.300 at that i'm like you you you you gay dummy shut up yeah yeah and it's a very like his whole power

02:55:31.940 base comes through the fact that he basically you know he's like one of those clowns that like spins

02:55:37.240 the plates on the thing and then they start spinning another plate and and and all those

02:55:41.940 place represent all the various ethnic groups that have come to canada that he's like done

02:55:46.460 ethnic outreach with and so there's a there's a guy that's basically like i i had this humorous

02:55:52.320 post i did where i compared him to like lord varus from uh game of thrones right and and it's just

02:55:59.300 like this is a guy that just has built these like networks of people even though he's like a like a

02:56:05.800 sterile homosexual he's still like you know he has all these like groups of like his little

02:56:11.500 birds. Yeah, his little birds

02:56:13.480 that do all this stuff.

02:56:15.240 It's just gross, and it's very

02:56:17.160 treasonous, I think, too.

02:56:19.520 I think we all agree Jason Kenney would be

02:56:21.300 a bit more palatable to the national

02:56:23.440 consciousness if he was

02:56:25.020 publicly portraying himself

02:56:27.240 as a scheming eunuch.

02:56:29.980 Yeah.

02:56:30.160 That's what he is.

02:56:35.500 Effectively, yeah.

02:56:36.440 That's 100% true.

02:56:38.000 Jason Kenney, take off your fucking

02:56:39.500 yellowstone

02:56:41.320 you know fucking vest

02:56:43.440 get rid of the quarter zips

02:56:45.720 you need to get into robes

02:56:47.640 you need to get into kimonos

02:56:49.740 just lean into that

02:56:52.080 and I'm like okay

02:56:52.880 I like this guy's maybe the only

02:56:55.960 honest man in politics

02:56:57.140 he's dressing the way he is now

02:57:00.160 but

02:57:01.420 I wanted to ask you a couple more

02:57:04.020 questions

02:57:04.620 there was something I was

02:57:07.980 going to mention earlier

02:57:09.100 and we're talking about the danger of cabals and there's ethnic cabals there's sexual cabals in

02:57:15.360 both but let's concentrate on the conservative canada do you envision something happening to

02:57:21.600 the conservatives like just happened to the liberals and i'm pulling up a tweet right here

02:57:27.300 you commenting on this recently um and then this is the the the posting question the useful idiots

02:57:34.860 of liberal censorship and this is about i believe i believe this is about the um the victory

02:57:42.540 of that uh or maybe this is the wrong post was the victory of that like

02:57:45.980 indian dominoes tycoon over the liberal candidate is this the right one

02:57:54.220 okay no no here it is this is what i wanted to do yeah the bangladeshi coup that overthrew the

02:58:00.380 liberal princelings coronation this is what i was referring to although people should read the other

02:58:05.660 sub stack as well so this was just happened recently and it was to our minds highly embarrassing

02:58:14.060 that you know the liberals were running their prime candidate against just a brown guy who owned

02:58:22.620 something like 30 dominoes which is just a wild number of dominoes to be in charge of

02:58:28.460 for one lord and then he won he won by let's see if i can pull up an image here he won by

02:58:35.980 literally going to his ethnic kinfolk and like doing the thing they all do which is giving them

02:58:42.340 instructions in their language about who to vote for and i'm pretty sure that's against the rules

02:58:49.000 but i don't know which rule specifically anyway that's um that's fine like that's that's according

02:58:55.000 the rules now do you see something like that happening the conservative candidates where

02:59:00.820 they're just so dominated by these internal ethnic blocks or do you think it's just a different sort

02:59:09.120 of machine i think i think um i think stuff like this like there are some like urban rotties or

02:59:16.480 the conservatives are are are heavy on but like they don't ever appoint like nate is basically

02:59:23.220 is a white liberal that thinks that he can

02:59:25.160 like, if he like panders to these people

02:59:27.240 hard enough, he'll become one of them.

02:59:29.160 And like the conservatives, the conservatives

02:59:31.240 aren't even really that into like the ethnics

02:59:33.360 that much.

02:59:35.120 Although there are conservative politicians that will

02:59:37.280 debase themselves doing the whole

02:59:38.900 Jason Kenney going to a temple with

02:59:41.240 the dot on his head and

02:59:42.360 stuff, but

02:59:44.340 See, my thing is, I can't even hate that

02:59:47.340 because I might do the

02:59:49.220 same thing, but not in the way that

02:59:51.200 they mean.

02:59:53.220 I would just be like, hey, any other day, this is incredibly racist, what I'm doing right now.

03:00:00.640 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:00:03.880 Remember, Justin Trudeau might be the only prime minister that has worn blackface in his life, and that's worth something.

03:00:11.540 That's not worth nothing.

03:00:14.140 Oh, that's funny.

03:00:16.420 It's so wild, too.

03:00:18.780 Snowboarding in blackface and getting divorced.

03:00:21.260 we had our very first divorced prime minister i was very excited for that

03:00:27.580 i think i think his father got divorced too oh oh yeah that was embarrassing

03:00:34.780 both trudeaus both got divorced in office that's so funny it's so funny that they both got divorced

03:00:41.180 while in office oh yeah what what a couple of characters those guys are um but yeah so we're

03:00:49.980 talking about um ethnic blocks and whether or not uh the conservative he mentioned something

03:00:55.420 very interesting there and um again perhaps this is speculation but i'm trying to think of a graceful

03:01:03.340 way to ask this do you think that the conservatives are a bit despite everything we've just said

03:01:10.620 are they more suspicious of ethnics of you know the brown the calisani influence versus the liberals

03:01:18.860 or is it the case that the liberals are actually the liberals are the racist ones as they sometimes

03:01:25.640 say like which party would be because they both publicly say the same thing but who is secretly

03:01:33.240 more hip to what's going on i would say that so i don't i don't know the internal workings of the

03:01:41.600 liberal party super well but they they tend to run like a patronage machine where like they can

03:01:47.900 they can integrate like they can integrate whole like you know ethnic blocks and other groups like

03:01:55.000 fairly easily well into into their into their coalition where the conservatives struggle a bit

03:02:00.460 the further away you go from like the core of the conservative party like the closer you get

03:02:06.780 to the grassroots those like those people aren't pro-immigrant like it's it's much more that like

03:02:13.880 what I found when I,

03:02:14.960 when I worked in Ottawa is that the,

03:02:16.820 the more grassroots you are,

03:02:18.720 the more you like legitimately believe in like conservative values,

03:02:21.740 the harder it ever was for you to ascend and get into the,

03:02:27.000 the prime minister's office or work,

03:02:29.200 work in PMO,

03:02:30.260 work in one of the ministries,

03:02:31.640 all that stuff.

03:02:32.840 So there is,

03:02:35.120 you know,

03:02:35.800 in terms of,

03:02:36.860 could you capture,

03:02:39.120 like it would be easier to capture the conservative party.

03:02:43.880 Because all you would really need to do is you'd have to make sure that your messaging and your platform and stuff was like, it kind of could fit with conservative values to a certain degree.

03:02:59.260 But then all you need to really do is you need to do a regime change of the conservative elites.

03:03:04.760 but then you need you need to figure you need a map out all the whole apparatus that surrounds

03:03:11.460 them too and figure out you know how to how to get with all the gatekeepers and bring them all

03:03:17.460 into the fold and like there's there's some groups out there that contribute a lot to the

03:03:22.180 conservatives and they they get tossed like they they rarely get tossed a bone

03:03:28.180 i'm glad to mention elise and that may lead to the next question here this is another piece

03:03:35.980 that you had written that i would uh encourage people to recommend to read rather who is more

03:03:40.960 impotent than the albany club is the title now the albany club what is that now that's to my

03:03:47.240 knowledge a it is the center of the conservative world located in toronto downtown toronto big

03:03:56.840 membership based clubhouse that is where much of the not all the you know conservative investors

03:04:03.480 because they get investment from any group but that's where most of the conservative money

03:04:07.720 seems to dwell and when we talk about elites are we talking about maybe a lot of people that

03:04:16.120 frequent that place and this would lead to the next question which is you know is that who we're

03:04:22.080 talking about are those the elites are the development club secondly how are the elites

03:04:28.060 feeling right now post-election are do you do you think they're happy with the state of the party

03:04:35.180 that this isn't the politicians this isn't the mps these are their elites and the people with

03:04:40.600 the money who maybe we don't hear about very often what do you think there's there's a there's a lot

03:04:47.180 of them that are are actually pro carney like i think they're they still want to be conservatives

03:04:53.780 they still want to they they still they still have conservative values but they look at carney

03:05:00.540 as basic basically as uh the great man of post-modernity and so they're not you know

03:05:10.360 like the the the floor just keeps on falling out of the conservatives so i i do know there

03:05:18.800 are some conservatives out there that are like genuinely worried but um at the same time too

03:05:25.140 you know i think i know like this this is the moment where they should just be rebuilding the

03:05:30.940 the party completely and just cut off the cut off like all the the pandering to the

03:05:36.360 the immigrant stuff and like engineer a new voter coalition to like get powered and like take out

03:05:42.360 the liberals but the thing is is that they're not you know pure paul yeah he's surrounded by a team

03:05:49.400 of people that like don't have a tremendous amount of experience you compare like a guy

03:05:55.240 like mark carney who like understands how systems work to a guy like pierre and pierre is just a

03:06:00.680 performer right yeah so when you say normal experience do are we thinking that they're

03:06:07.640 younger people or they're just of around the same age but they just don't know what they're doing

03:06:13.320 so so pure so pure paul yeah his director of communications was a woman by the name i think

03:06:21.160 like k katie katie mayfield or something she's like she's she likes to larp being like really

03:06:28.520 pro-anglo but she went she went to um carolyn uh carolyn who's running for like the bc conservative

03:06:37.440 leadership like the she's she's mobbed up with uh the uh mobbed up with the without diminishment

03:06:45.320 guys she actually started without diminishment i'm pretty sure yeah i'm gonna get to them next

03:06:49.880 yeah and so and so her replacement was a guy that was born in 1997

03:06:58.180 this like just think about that for a second right like like these guys these guys are very

03:07:05.820 very young right like these guys have like never even been in a government and like

03:07:10.960 like who does who does mark carney have mark carney like to put into perspective like what

03:07:17.400 when he came into power what he did he brought in like heavyweights like michael sabia to like

03:07:24.380 run the bureaucracy for him like he's he's like thinking about how i'm actually going to run the

03:07:29.880 entire system and control the bureaucracy itself and like do all this other stuff and then the

03:07:34.700 tories on the other hand they have this like guy who's like a zoomer running comms and like i love

03:07:41.660 the zoomers but at the same time too you need like who's your like your strategy people need

03:07:49.720 to have experience and the problem with the conservatives is like you know when when

03:07:56.720 steven harper had the majority like where like where was the patronage machine you know what

03:08:03.280 happened was is he gave he gave all of the former staffers and all that stuff he gave them basically

03:08:09.180 uh he gave them the free market he got it right off in the sunset with all his

03:08:14.400 his special access stuff all the all the senior cabinet ministers did real well

03:08:19.340 they all got you know positions and stuff and they were all good but then um

03:08:25.320 but then all like you think of all the staffers that were in politics it's like

03:08:30.900 what are you going to do with your political experience in the next career right it's not

03:08:36.120 that like politics pays a tremendously good amount and so you know like that's not politics

03:08:44.560 is basically something that you kind of it's almost like it's almost like something you do

03:08:50.600 where it's like you're like trying to go pro in like a sport where you're like well maybe i can

03:08:56.060 get in like good like you know three years five years seven years like you know you the the length

03:09:02.040 the time people can last and there's a bit longer but like there there's a lot of those people to

03:09:08.000 leave and like what you actually need is you need that kind of a patronage network which is not

03:09:12.940 fiscally conservative at all and what do the liberals do like the liberals have erected their

03:09:18.780 own like patronage systems that are like integrated within the economy i would argue today that

03:09:24.860 you know a reason why we're struggling so bad economically is because their patronage systems

03:09:31.500 are becoming uh financially unfeasible right and they need them to maintain control and power and

03:09:37.340 they they simply are have just become so lethargic and and inefficient that they

03:09:43.020 they don't rely they don't create enough power for the amount of money that they

03:09:47.660 that they uh siphon out of a society now that sounds completely accurate to me and

03:09:56.620 that leads into the next question i was might as well get to this now we mentioned

03:10:00.460 without diminishment we're talking about the very young director of communications who might

03:10:07.420 do a good job but i i just that hire says to me that they're looking to engage more strongly with

03:10:16.460 the youth so we need to tweak our message and we need to get what's not even it's i i i think i

03:10:23.820 think that's part of it but i think another thing too is the fact that like you look at like um

03:10:28.140 um you look at you look at like mark carney he's doing these ads where he brings on mike myers

03:10:34.720 he's talking about elbows up like they're like who who wrote those ads who directed them who

03:10:41.320 like those are probably people that were brought in from like downtown toronto that are doing

03:10:45.720 a lot of these the other big ads for companies and like these people are integrating psychology

03:10:51.400 and like so many so many other things within this to like deliberately target baby boomers

03:10:57.040 to trigger nostalgia to make them

03:10:59.040 love Mark Carney and the

03:11:01.120 Liberal Party again.

03:11:02.840 On the other hand, you have this

03:11:05.020 27-year-old at the Conservative

03:11:07.160 Party. They're like, hey, yeah,

03:11:09.000 you're the director of Comtel.

03:11:11.260 Which is such an interesting dichotomy because

03:11:12.940 you've got Carney who's

03:11:14.960 going very strongly after the Boomers

03:11:17.220 and you have Polyev

03:11:18.900 who may be trying to go

03:11:20.960 after the youth and I think

03:11:22.740 one of them will be pretty good at doing it

03:11:25.140 but I don't know if it's going to be

03:11:26.540 the conservatives being cool to the youth like that yeah and and but it's even it's a it's a

03:11:33.740 like it's like it's an order of magnitude or more of like just the size and the scale and the

03:11:39.900 competency and like the power of like their their machines right the conservative party machine is

03:11:46.360 just not like it's not like you go you look at what their big their big shrewd move was it's

03:11:51.620 like bringing in all these like right-wing slop influencers to the conventions and the other

03:11:56.880 things and they're giving them special access and they're like trying to pretend that they're like

03:12:01.520 they're people of the caliber of like peter mantritz back in the day right and it's just

03:12:07.020 like no like you you watch you know you watch jasmine lane you're just like yeah like this

03:12:11.380 person doesn't understand politics like in any like serious depth but like but i mean like

03:12:17.480 they're inviting people to say like we should break up canada and get bought by the us like oh

03:12:22.540 no yeah oh yeah it's just it's uh i think it's a crapshoot right and this is this is really

03:12:30.180 this is where i really you know i kind of got red billed on uh elite theory before i had actually

03:12:36.780 come across it and then thanks to uh you know people like you know black horse and um go forward

03:12:44.300 the sacks and uh other guys within the nationalist sphere as well as uh hooking into some stuff

03:12:51.260 that kirvin yarbin was talking about as well as uh uh who's that other guy academic agent that's

03:12:59.260 him you know from from learning from a lot of their theories and stuff and piecing it together

03:13:04.860 that's that's kind of how i that's how i understand like okay like actually what we

03:13:10.400 need is we need counter elites that are smart competent capable and they're willing to wield

03:13:15.140 power right like harper had the majority in 2011 he could have fixed everything he sat on his hands

03:13:22.060 and he basically just like governed like a a good responsible neoliberal and he he stacked you know

03:13:29.080 he stacked the allowance in the uh in the piggy bank and then he got removed by office by trudeau

03:13:36.420 and trudeau smashed that piggy bank and spent it all and the conservatives go oh look at how bad

03:13:41.940 he is it's like well trudeau's out there wielding power he's being a maniac we don't want to be a

03:13:47.780 maniac but like we've got to save canada it makes you wonder um whether or not the conservatives

03:13:56.020 would be able to win like that and i'll just explain what i mean that one phenomenon you see

03:14:01.860 in the u.s is the rise of the sin called dark woke or when biden was president sort of dark

03:14:08.500 brandon and it was this um acceptance of to do what we want to do we need to get despicable about

03:14:18.160 it and to their credit this is what trump and his project 2025 if not members but then fans were

03:14:26.000 they want to put the liberals in crystals they want to throw them out of airplanes things like

03:14:30.520 that but it makes you wonder like what does dark conservatism look like is that even possible

03:14:39.640 like if what you would like is a for the conservative party ideally to embrace some of

03:14:47.180 our ideas which i don't even see as particularly radical frankly and then b be absolute psychos

03:14:53.620 about it you mentioned curtis yarvin and there's a good quote from him i think it was recently even

03:15:00.260 he had said something like

03:15:02.080 conservative

03:15:03.300 yeah yeah conservatives

03:15:05.460 consume alcohol like

03:15:07.780 snob consumes wine

03:15:09.400 and liberals consume power like

03:15:12.100 an alcoholic consumes gin

03:15:13.820 something like that

03:15:15.020 yeah

03:15:15.480 I think it was

03:15:20.180 conservatives

03:15:21.340 care about power like a

03:15:23.920 wine snob cares about wine

03:15:25.600 liberals care about power like an

03:15:27.780 alcoholic cares about alcohol

03:15:29.340 and so i'm looking at the conservatives i'm like is it in your dna to be psychos about this i don't

03:15:36.320 i like i think that would be such an extreme change that it would destroy the entire you'd

03:15:42.820 have to gut so much of it that just wouldn't be a party anymore that's that's really where the

03:15:47.800 the cavalier the cavalierism comes into play because the last time the right has like wielded

03:15:53.920 serious power in a way against this kind of eternal death of the west from from the the

03:16:02.600 liberal the long trend of liberalism was the cavaliers um and so that's that's kind of my

03:16:11.500 attempt to like build out a new intellectual tradition and i'm not even like so you know

03:16:16.940 cavaliers aren't even so much like intellectuals as they're they're kind of romantics but they're

03:16:22.060 like you know they have strong value systems and and they care uh they care deeply about you know

03:16:28.780 the natural order and things like that where you know the the modern liberal today has just

03:16:34.900 debased everything for hundreds of years and called it progress and now we're looking at uh

03:16:40.280 now we're looking at things today and things are falling apart um and so the tories are in many

03:16:48.520 ways incapable of wielding power effectively like you had guys like you know sir johnny

03:16:54.760 mcdonald and borden those are the two conservative prime ministers in canada that

03:16:59.260 were the the ones that really wielded power but since then i mean you've just had like kind of

03:17:05.900 idiots and you know you had you know dieffen baker dieffen baker was like a prairie populist

03:17:13.060 who just didn't really understand things and he got easily you know he had the right idea in mind

03:17:17.980 but he never really, he was never really able to wield power that effectively.

03:17:23.240 If any of these individuals you mentioned, Diefenbaker or Sir General MacDonald,

03:17:28.560 if they showed up, they would have them arrested

03:17:32.260 for advocating for the things that they advocated for as conservatives.

03:17:37.320 I'm like, that's what I'm saying.

03:17:38.460 They are not equipped, they're not built to even tolerate

03:17:43.220 the type of mind that they need to redeem the party.

03:17:46.720 and so uh well they they it's going to be a new elite that that takes it over and i think that

03:17:54.840 you know that you don't need like to wield power like if like if you're really like high level

03:18:01.880 red-pilled on like power and politics and democracy you're running a completely you're

03:18:07.300 running a campaign that is completely scripted that is completely disconnected from power

03:18:12.300 and like you have your home you have your basically your your political invasion force

03:18:18.620 ready and then you have your your campaign and your campaign campaigns are beachheads for regime

03:18:25.540 change right and so you you have to like like people they think that like hey we're gonna do

03:18:33.560 we're gonna win this election and then we're in this is like no like that is the first battle

03:18:38.640 you have to win and then you have a series of battles and you have to win that war

03:18:43.060 now we talked about the conservative elites we talked about the albany house and you know where

03:18:49.400 it seems to be centered um and we spoke very briefly on what they might be thinking right

03:18:55.420 around now looking at poly do you get a sense that there's a lot of conservative money that's

03:19:00.820 looking for a place to invest that's looking for a landing place and maybe they're not thrilled with

03:19:06.460 what they're seeing from polyab but are they looking around for that next thing that's going

03:19:13.140 to revitalize movement or just something to present an alternative that's a good that's a

03:19:22.000 good question i uh i would not i would not fully i would not i would not be fully privy to that now

03:19:29.600 there's a bunch of factions and they all have their different internal interests

03:19:34.960 or internal interests so you know could could they strike up a deal could you form something

03:19:43.840 with them maybe but like a lot of these guys a lot of these guys get drawn in and sucked in by

03:19:51.880 the establishment guys and those establishment guys like their whole their whole thing is very

03:19:56.540 you know insular it's very you know it's it's like it's very hard to break in there and if

03:20:03.420 they figure out that you're not like one of their one of their guys and you're like you have another

03:20:08.540 alternative scheme it'll be blacklisted they'll tell everybody about you they'll avoid you all

03:20:14.540 that stuff so in terms of in terms of like getting existing financing from the conservatives

03:20:20.140 or conservative spaces like maybe but like you almost don't even want to be perceived as a threat

03:20:26.740 to the existing to the existing order right because because i look at what they're doing

03:20:32.920 right now and we'll talk about this and then we'll probably need to stop i'm looking at we

03:20:38.240 mentioned earlier without diminishment now they're uh right they call themselves the new right

03:20:44.580 they're right leaning uh it's my understanding that they're overtly affiliated with the conservative

03:20:51.780 party of canada would that be a fair assessment yeah yeah they're they're uh they're they're

03:20:58.700 heavily they're heavily linked up with them in a way where they get you know they they went to

03:21:05.340 parliament a few few days ago or a week or two ago and like they're taking photos with Pierre

03:21:10.780 Polyev and like if they have access to parliament so easily there and then they're you know they're

03:21:16.820 getting shout outs by Jason Kenney all the time and these other guys if you look at their articles

03:21:22.980 that they're posting they're always taking they're always kind of taking whatever

03:21:28.920 nationalist headlines are out there um particularly within our ecosystems that are

03:21:36.320 you know the extended you know friend friend group and mutuals all around in the canadian

03:21:41.820 national sphere and they're they're taking their stuff and then they're applying they're they're

03:21:47.000 basically defanging it and they're making it generic enough and they're like they're basically

03:21:53.980 just adding a little spike of uh a little spike to normie conservative slop so that these guys

03:22:01.340 can kind of larp as being like the edge the you know being the edgy guys but you know if you look

03:22:09.320 at their stuff in depth you know you quickly realize like these guys are never gonna ever

03:22:13.800 like punch right they're never gonna they're never going to they're never going to call for

03:22:19.140 reforms you know a lot of the stuff that they have posted is just it's very mediocre and like i i i've

03:22:27.760 seen these these types of people before like all they're all they're doing is all they're doing is

03:22:35.040 capturing uh trying to capture anyone who's exiting the existing overton window from the right

03:22:41.420 and they're building an influence network

03:22:45.920 to one day try and capture the Conservative Party

03:22:49.920 for themselves, but at the same time,

03:22:52.260 they'll serve the Conservative Party in the meantime.

03:22:55.180 And you see this, by the way, too, with Carolyn.

03:22:59.000 I think it's Carolyn Elliott in BC.

03:23:02.420 She's running this playbook right now to capture BC

03:23:05.540 by using the network she's built with without diminishment.

03:23:08.960 yeah so do you think they are like when they plan a coup what would that coup look like do you think

03:23:16.280 they might be attempting what we've been talking about to completely rework the party or would

03:23:22.080 their belief systems and principles be more aligned with conservatives right now because

03:23:26.680 honestly i can't imagine like they were at the some conference this past weekend our mutual friend

03:23:33.760 daniel tyree from domain society who's there you know mixing and mingling with them and i'm like i

03:23:40.160 can't be in the same room with these motherfuckers yeah it can't be just too many squares too many

03:23:45.760 gay squares and once everybody's everybody's fake they're putting on a show they're you know they're

03:23:52.880 they're not like these conferences aren't put on because they want to because they're like trying

03:23:59.120 to seriously disseminate information now there is a little bit of consensus manufacturing at these

03:24:05.040 conferences but you listen to these guys talk and it's just like this this is just this is like

03:24:10.960 really heavily diluted slop right like it's not like if you were like actually serious about

03:24:16.160 getting people on the same pages like you need to get people that like understood the stuff really

03:24:21.520 really far in depth and put together like very like action-packed you know you know briefs that

03:24:27.200 basically explained everything from a to z very efficiently and these these things are basically

03:24:34.080 they're designed as networking events to get people talking and to get people in a certain

03:24:38.720 orbit so that it's more easily you're more easily able to tap into that it's funny like yeah you're

03:24:47.440 talking about how boring it is it's like ladies and gentlemen clyde do something that's cool man

03:24:54.400 Glad to see it. I love that Clyde's there.

03:24:56.040 I'm going to slit my fucking wrists on a beach.

03:25:00.680 No one's excited for this.

03:25:03.100 I wish, hey, we wish him well.

03:25:05.520 But to me, it does seem like they're trying to siphon the energy

03:25:11.100 from these other groups.

03:25:12.400 I'm thinking of Diagalon.

03:25:15.000 Jeremy McKenzie doesn't get brought up in these spaces a lot.

03:25:18.560 They treat him as persona non grata.

03:25:20.480 They'll mention Daniel Tyree.

03:25:21.820 Daniel Tirey is doing something very, very similar, but I see a lot of this vampiric behavior, and I think they'll have him on without diminishment. I believe he's published an article or two there, but to me, to my earlier point, this seems like the conservative party trying to figure out how to survive, trying to figure out, okay, we are the new right.

03:25:45.980 this is young it's interesting

03:25:48.200 but it's them trying to

03:25:50.140 instead of just directing people

03:25:52.360 or engaging directly

03:25:54.360 with these people

03:25:56.400 the Conservative Party of Canada

03:25:58.040 right now if it

03:26:00.240 fucking wanted to

03:26:01.300 all those people in the Albany Club

03:26:04.440 they got a phone

03:26:06.300 number they can call if they want to

03:26:08.380 invite anyone from Domain Society

03:26:10.440 over these people

03:26:12.280 are reasonable

03:26:13.020 there's all any one of these influencers that is clouding on aaron o'toole and bully him daily

03:26:20.520 yeah yeah he's up to he's up to side that's why i also think aaron o'toole is trying to figure out

03:26:25.160 how to navigate this he's trying to he you know there's a very thin line between love and hate

03:26:30.120 you understand i see him crossing that line when i see him talk to my buddy crupto it's like you

03:26:35.180 guys are going on a road trip soon i can i can just feel it but like i i honestly i think you're

03:26:41.040 an old operating system

03:26:43.220 trying to figure out how to update it. It's ugly

03:26:45.260 and it's transitional, but I just see you guys

03:26:47.280 trying to figure it out. So I look at Without Diminishment

03:26:49.280 as this gray

03:26:51.400 zone where they're trying to

03:26:52.800 bring these

03:26:54.100 radical ideas that, in my

03:26:57.340 opinion, more interesting people and figure out

03:26:59.040 how they can disassemble them

03:27:01.320 and reassemble them.

03:27:02.340 The guy right now who runs Without Diminishment,

03:27:05.600 I think his name is Alex Brown.

03:27:07.800 He literally runs

03:27:09.360 the National Citizens Coalition.

03:27:11.040 which is what Harper did when Harper wanted to become prime minister and he

03:27:15.640 wanted to capture the right. What did he do? He, he, uh, he,

03:27:20.260 he worked at a national citizens coalition.

03:27:23.480 He ran it and he used that to basically organize all the people for him to win

03:27:29.260 leadership.

03:27:31.100 Hey, look at these headlines. Like they're, they're nationalists, right?

03:27:33.940 Like, okay. English Quebecers are a decapitated minority. Uh,

03:27:38.460 you're talking like they're making those articles there's there's nothing in like it's just like

03:27:45.080 it's like it's like drinking like 5.5 percent beer instead of 5 percent like it's just

03:27:50.960 just a little tiny little bit extra edge but like it's it's it's more sizzle than it is steak

03:27:56.920 it's a you might have never heard a conservative five years ago describe themselves as nationalist

03:28:03.780 that was a dirty word back then still in a lot of ways is now they're embracing nationalism but

03:28:10.240 trying to define it along very specific terms so i see what's going on now i don't i don't know

03:28:16.720 these people very well okay and they have hosted and perhaps would even host some of the friends

03:28:23.640 we mentioned maybe four sacks can get a fucking article on there whatever i they might very well

03:28:28.840 be open to that it's just i don't know man i i like i said before the conservative party if

03:28:35.880 they want to play this game there's figures right now who they they've they've been fucking trying

03:28:42.040 to suppress and blackball blackness that they could phone up right now and make a game plan

03:28:47.620 to get into a room with them and they won't get into a room with them and i until that they happen

03:28:52.460 fuck you look these people getting debanked people thrown in jail what are you doing about

03:28:58.240 the canada anti-hate network suck my fucking dick like there's there's there's people like getting

03:29:04.760 their lives ruined over advocating for some of this stuff a few years ago and now here here come

03:29:10.420 the fucking nerds here come the here come the debate club guys saying like oh i guess i guess

03:29:16.720 it's time to talk about nationalism like give some i'm not even talking about myself i'm just

03:29:22.460 i'm talking about other people people got really twisted up over this stuff and they don't get an

03:29:27.940 invite they don't get a fucking phone call from the establishment and a lot of this a lot of this

03:29:35.220 has to do with the fact too the conservatives are terrified of the establishment media

03:29:41.620 and and and steven harper got a majority in 2011 right which is basically four years to do whatever

03:29:50.340 the fuck he wants and he just he just pissed it away did nothing right that like that's the problem

03:29:55.620 Like, they just, these people just are just, like, they're, like, if you've seen Game of Thrones, you know, reek?

03:30:02.340 Like, they're, like, reek.

03:30:03.400 Yep.

03:30:04.120 They're just, like, they're just eternally raped.

03:30:06.280 They're just, oh, we can't do that.

03:30:10.040 Nationalist, oh.

03:30:11.980 But that's, like, oh, that's, like, that's bad.

03:30:15.720 The CBC's going to attack us.

03:30:17.420 And it's just, like, you could have done a regime change at the CBC.

03:30:20.380 There's a guy starting Sun News.

03:30:22.400 Sun News.

03:30:23.000 You could have figured out a way to restructure the whole media ecosystem

03:30:28.280 so you spread the CBC grants equally across the organizations

03:30:31.720 from left to right and build out an alternative space.

03:30:34.940 The conservative one should live or die in its own laissez-faire merits.

03:30:39.820 The only one.

03:30:41.660 Yeah, yeah.

03:30:42.900 The left is like taking over the entire structure of the society

03:30:49.180 to re-rig it in favor of

03:30:52.060 them wielding power

03:30:54.300 eternally and then

03:30:55.440 the conservatives go well

03:30:57.920 you know the problem is

03:31:00.160 the left only cares about power

03:31:01.880 they don't have any principles

03:31:04.040 whatsoever and it's just like well their power

03:31:06.100 their principles are about winning

03:31:08.060 your principles are

03:31:10.120 about being a beautiful loser as San

03:31:12.000 Francis says

03:31:12.760 yeah exactly and by the way guys

03:31:16.260 you're not beautiful

03:31:17.220 there's nothing beautiful about these

03:31:19.400 most conservatives

03:31:21.440 in my view at least

03:31:23.740 they don't have a firm

03:31:25.780 grasp on what their beliefs even

03:31:27.800 are a lot of their foundational

03:31:29.700 beliefs they will reach for

03:31:31.820 liberal examples

03:31:33.380 you know

03:31:33.820 I can confirm that

03:31:37.980 like there is

03:31:39.760 more there is more intellectual

03:31:41.960 depth than what

03:31:42.920 Kroptos is that his name

03:31:45.640 cryptos that's how you say that's how i pronounce it it's probably wrong but that's he knows that's

03:31:51.460 how i pronounce it so there's more intellectual depth and what he says what black horse says

03:31:57.460 what like the conversations you're having on the podcast there's more intellectual depth there

03:32:03.040 especially to afford a sacks dianiel tyree like all the all the guys there's more intellectual

03:32:08.820 depth there than what exists in ottawa because in ottawa what do they care about it's it's all

03:32:14.460 about the news cycle they want to they want to get stories in there they want to don't they want

03:32:19.000 don't want to wear any they don't want to you know get any mud on them they like they want to

03:32:24.020 look good they want to they like that's the whole focus there isn't any strong intellectual depth

03:32:30.960 there and so you know like i like this is how crazy it was for me you know i like to think of

03:32:37.680 myself as somebody with like strong strong conservative values to a certain degree i didn't

03:32:43.460 even know red tori meant you know a nationalist tori like i'd always heard like oh it means they're

03:32:50.320 a liberal like and like that's that's in like the higher like offices right like that's in like the

03:32:56.860 higher echelons of like the political apparatus and like they don't even know that like like

03:33:01.620 there's like if there's one thing people can take away from this interview it's like uh the the guys

03:33:08.380 on you see on x you know posting about like actual traditional values and what real conservatism is

03:33:16.740 and and the nationalists like there's more intellectual depth there than anything that

03:33:22.460 these politicians are doing because at the end of the day these politicians are deliberately

03:33:27.400 trying to capture the attention the uh you know if they're going to be donating money and if

03:33:35.000 they're voting they're they care about capturing that from normies right the vast majority of

03:33:41.860 people are normies and so you know if we're if we're trying to have this you know in-depth

03:33:47.280 conversation with the average person on the street like they're like they're they're a pro

03:33:52.040 like they don't get it that's the biggest thing it does make me wonder that so much and this will

03:33:58.440 be the thing we can finish on uh so much of canadian politics especially the canadian right

03:34:04.940 mainstream right is influenced from america and you've seen a real radicalization not even just

03:34:12.920 because of what trump says but maybe what he represents everyone went a little bit more extreme

03:34:17.720 and i say that with full admiration but i i do wonder with without diminishment as an example

03:34:26.800 or you know they're trying to launder some of these ideas to make them palatable but i'm wondering

03:34:33.140 for the young people in the

03:34:35.260 conservative party, the young staffers

03:34:37.740 or the young conservatives

03:34:39.260 now, what are they

03:34:41.680 consuming?

03:34:43.120 Are they going to read

03:34:45.700 without diminishment, the young

03:34:47.440 people that matter, the ones that they

03:34:49.400 might be looking to see?

03:34:50.620 Are they watching

03:34:52.440 Groypers? Are they watching

03:34:55.560 Jeremy McKenzie? Are they Diagilon

03:34:57.640 fans? Are they watching Ferryman's Toll?

03:35:00.040 Are they reading

03:35:01.500 quarter sacks are they are they interest in the domain society all these groups which are growing

03:35:06.640 substantially among young people i'm like are you going to really cut them off of the past because

03:35:12.900 it seems that every young person right now is highly polarized highly radicalized and they are

03:35:21.040 infiltrated i wonder do you think there's any recognition of that within the it's very much like

03:35:27.740 there was this uh there was this thing that went like semi-viral at this like

03:35:34.720 little brown kid uh you know endorsing endorsing publicly on an ex uh gary lynn uh finley or

03:35:44.420 whatever her name is for the bc leadership and like i i saw it pop up in the timeline and i

03:35:50.540 thought it was kind of funny because it's just you look at the kid and he's like oh this kid's

03:35:54.380 like obviously really like nerdy and like he's getting involved in politics and like it shows

03:36:00.320 you how low the bar barrier to entry is in canadian politics where like some some random kid

03:36:06.180 can get like the get like a retweet out from like you know a politician or something because

03:36:11.620 they're doing some endorsement and so if you look at you know the types of people that are around

03:36:16.860 the establishment today and around without diminishment they're they're drawing in and

03:36:22.680 they're capturing a certain caliber of individual that quite frankly i don't think nationalists as

03:36:28.600 a whole would want to have as being in a position of power within the movement uh there's a great

03:36:35.480 photo you you maybe want to pull it up of the the soldier at pompeii when pompeii the

03:36:44.400 is a painting a french painting i believe and it shows it shows this picture of this this um

03:36:52.420 soldier from pompey who the it shows the volcano ash falling down and it's like proceeding to bury

03:36:59.940 pompey and he's this century who's just like there at his post because he hasn't been relieved

03:37:06.260 from duty and like you know it's supposed to be a romanticism on like you know being duty

03:37:11.800 dutiful even if it costs you your life and yeah it's called faithful unto i'm pretty sure this

03:37:19.700 is it right here hold on fucking i got uh let's see how do i do this sorry

03:37:27.380 is it this one yes that is that is exactly it and so like now i mean that guy's probably a little

03:37:37.840 even more chad than the average physiognomy of the without diminishment uh crew but at the same

03:37:45.040 time too like this is this is who's like this is like basically like the last romans of the

03:37:51.520 establishment right of of of you know the conservative party without diminishment and

03:37:56.700 these people like they're gonna still have some people coming to them that are fresh but

03:38:00.820 like when i look at the national sphere there's no there's no infighting right like i i get i got

03:38:09.520 along with everybody so far and nobody's taking shots at me i haven't seen any infighting

03:38:14.700 Like everybody's in pretty much agreement with, you know, Canada's fucked and we need to fix things. And, you know, I know that, you know, the story in which we win is the one where we come together, we figure out a governance structure or confederation model or whatever that, you know, or it'll be the internal politics where we have to come together.

03:38:44.700 sort of a leadership structure where eventually we'll come together and like we will be the thing

03:38:50.120 that that defeats this old this old order this old regime and then from there i mean you just

03:38:55.720 need to build an elite apparatus and you need to you just need to win one election and then

03:39:00.320 you know your plan needs to not rely on on like the continuance of uh

03:39:06.840 of of that right like you have to you have to be able to start fixing things from day one and

03:39:13.440 and have a system that will work that way.

03:39:16.580 Yeah, and that's what I would like to leave

03:39:19.480 with any of the conservative elites

03:39:23.320 that may be listening to this,

03:39:25.340 that I would hate to see you throw good money after bad.

03:39:30.220 Your money is going into a deep, dark hole

03:39:33.840 with the current way you've been spending it.

03:39:36.240 I got six guys right now over here,

03:39:40.160 the guys whose ideas you're trying to steal by the way uh where if you give them like if you give

03:39:48.260 pierre polly have a million dollars he's gonna piss it away if some of these guys you give them

03:39:52.480 a million dollars they will scale it up very very fast um there's organizations right now that are

03:39:58.900 operating within a few years i think you could defeat the liberals that's the return on investment

03:40:04.340 for them you're never going to defeat the liberals which is what you really want

03:40:10.240 that's a really that's what all you want right now there's a pathway to do that but it's not

03:40:15.740 going to be with the fucking dorks zebras and no chortlers you've got in there right now

03:40:24.820 you're going to need to you're going to need to allow the people that i know to create a space

03:40:31.260 to be pretty fucking weird because you actually have nothing left to lose you have nothing left

03:40:36.580 to lose right now than giving a chance to some of these other these these noble freakazoids that i

03:40:43.640 know sorry can i cut you off there no i i think yeah like the the you know there there is so

03:40:50.580 like the the nationalist sphere is so starved with like so starved from you know financial support

03:40:59.040 that like the money the money that people put in right now into a patronage network like you could

03:41:05.460 you cannot even fathom the the returns that would actually come from there like you know it wouldn't

03:41:11.520 it wouldn't be crazy it wouldn't be a crazy thing to just set up but a lot of these guys

03:41:18.560 in the national sphere they just do this part-time they just they work a full-time job and then they

03:41:24.340 go hey you know what like i'm gonna i'm gonna be part of this like intellectual sphere that's like

03:41:29.140 you know there's a little bit of activism you know you know developing out counter elite theory

03:41:35.060 building organizations like there's a whole there's a whole system there and so uh you know

03:41:40.860 if someone does do that like i i think this is probably the best time ever to uh to ever get

03:41:45.940 involved in that for sure yeah you had these sorts of people the ones that i'm talking about

03:41:51.520 brought this entire country to a standstill

03:41:54.320 during COVID

03:41:55.260 marching on the Capitol.

03:41:57.680 That was a level of coordination,

03:42:00.260 emergent coordination

03:42:01.460 that the Conservative Party or the Liberal Party

03:42:03.940 as that matter could only dream of.

03:42:07.320 There's

03:42:07.920 something there

03:42:09.260 that made you

03:42:11.520 freeze.

03:42:13.200 Something that startled you.

03:42:15.320 Something that shook you to your fucking core.

03:42:17.780 And I don't want you to forget that that happened.

03:42:19.700 Not you. I'm talking to them.

03:42:21.520 And at this point, you're choosing to lose.

03:42:26.200 If you want to keep pissing your fucking money away, go ahead.

03:42:30.300 But I know how to make a million dollars go way further

03:42:33.500 than that fucking dweeb you've got running your party

03:42:36.740 who's still walking around like he's king of shit,

03:42:40.940 like he's not Milhouse.

03:42:44.300 Yeah, it goes back to kayfabe too.

03:42:47.960 like if anybody doesn't know about kayfabe and like the art of professional wrestling like that

03:42:54.640 that applies to that applies exactly to professional politics too right and so uh you know

03:43:02.020 pier polioff is a performer and he's he's he's good at sounding good but like this story isn't

03:43:10.660 believable and like what what's happening with them fundamentally is the kayfabe story is collapsing

03:43:16.660 and people look at Carney

03:43:18.800 and they go, oh, this is

03:43:19.960 another guy. But a lot of Carney stuff

03:43:22.740 is bullshit too. It's smoke and mirrors, but

03:43:24.640 it's a lot more believable

03:43:26.580 than Pierre.

03:43:28.220 I know how we can save the conservative

03:43:30.640 party because Pierre Polyev, he thinks

03:43:32.600 he's too cool. He thinks he's too

03:43:34.720 slick. We don't need a slick

03:43:36.660 guy. We need to return

03:43:38.320 to our forefathers. We need to return

03:43:40.600 to the fathers of confederation

03:43:42.640 who are all drunk.

03:43:45.020 I think Canada's ready

03:43:46.380 and the conservatives are ready for a real alcoholic prime minister someone to come in

03:43:52.540 fuck dressing like they did in the 1850s go ahead come dress like sir johnny mcdonald

03:43:58.400 with a gun and drunk and just start yelling eloquently don't be sloppy about it that's how

03:44:04.940 you know a real drunk they're you know they can still command themselves there's real opportunity

03:44:09.520 here to get a drunk man with a gun as a prime minister or at least running for that and i think

03:44:16.320 A million bucks will get you there.

03:44:21.080 That's the thing.

03:44:22.860 It's not...

03:44:25.100 You think of how successful right now Canadian nationalism is.

03:44:29.920 And is there professional funding behind it?

03:44:32.500 No.

03:44:34.000 It's a bunch of guys working full-time jobs.

03:44:37.320 And then this is their secondary part-time.

03:44:40.700 Effectively, it's a hobby.

03:44:42.520 Probably guys.

03:44:43.340 And it's still kicking the ass without diminishment.

03:44:46.320 I write articles, and then the next day I found without diminishment

03:44:49.480 is basically had one of their goons write a follow-up article

03:44:54.500 copying my stuff to try and, like, get,

03:44:57.980 and they push it through their little patronage network of, like,

03:45:01.560 of gatekeepers that, like, promote the article.

03:45:06.480 And it's, like, covering the same topic that I did.

03:45:09.540 You know, they lifted, like, they lifted, like,

03:45:12.000 the freaking phrases I created in there.

03:45:15.060 like you can see it all right like and it's it's it's absolutely hilarious but at the same time

03:45:20.660 too like i mean those guys got funding right like these guys are these guys are operating their big

03:45:26.720 their big organization and they're all this stuff and the nationalists i mean we're just a bunch of

03:45:32.080 like you know artisans on the internet having fun and yet we're still kicking their ass right so i

03:45:37.560 know that uh eventually this thing will get uh professionalized and uh eventually get a patronage

03:45:43.940 network going and when that happens

03:45:45.740 we're going to start

03:45:47.600 we're going to start booming

03:45:48.640 absolutely agreed and with that

03:45:52.100 I think that's a good place to end

03:45:53.980 as any I've showed

03:45:55.820 a few clips of your

03:45:57.800 content where people can find

03:45:59.900 you I'm just throwing one up right now

03:46:01.960 this is Upper Canadian Cavalier

03:46:04.100 on Substack

03:46:05.460 this is where I found a great many

03:46:07.520 of the articles that we source for today

03:46:10.000 I'm a fan I'm a follower

03:46:11.660 you can also find him

03:46:13.440 on x you can find him i believe there's links all over all over here as well let me just make sure

03:46:20.520 yeah here we go here he is on x upper canadian cavalier be sure to give him a subscribe give

03:46:27.400 him a follow uh is there anything else you would like to uh mention or promote that i might have

03:46:32.340 missed no i i'm just sitting there for the first time i surpassed 2 000 followers so so that's

03:46:38.560 exciting how's it feel it feels good feels good this guy he's gonna be rocketing past all of us

03:46:46.660 soon just you wait and can't wait to see what comes next i'm a great fan of your writing so

03:46:52.660 thank you so much for taking the time to come by thank you thank you for having me i've i've uh

03:46:57.700 this is my first podcast i've ever done so thanks uh thanks very much and uh hope i hope we can do

03:47:03.400 this again sometime absolutely all right

03:47:06.620 hey baby i hear the blues are calling

03:47:27.660 And maybe I seem a bit confused, yeah, maybe, but I got you, Craig.

Blood Satellite - May 22, 2026

The Paradigm that Cried Wolf in Huhmocracy Manifest

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