Blood Satellite - Chuck Formerly Starts Blinking Linkin Park [“huffing flux vapor”]

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be 0.99

00:00:07.760 blood satellite i don't want to waste any more time on this fucking horse hockey time's wasting 0.98

00:00:22.920 man i heard something i heard someone say horse hockey as if you know what it was it was the line 0.97

00:00:31.800 in that canada is dying documentary and i didn't get to show it during the live stream but the guy

00:00:38.100 said oh that's just horse hockey what a bunch of horse hockey never dealt with an addict i've never

00:00:43.980 treated an addict i've never talked even to an addict like i have think that people don't go

00:00:48.720 to treatment because of the stigma involved well it's horse hockey you know like and it sounded

00:00:54.380 like oh that means it's preposterous and nonsense but then i heard someone use horse hockey as if it

00:01:01.840 really exists so i don't like is horse hockey real what you mean horse hockey like they used

00:01:08.500 it in the context of hey did you guys catch the game last night well that's something like that

00:01:14.520 It was a real reference to a guy experiencing horse hockey.

00:01:21.360 I hear the Nipissing Pintos have got a new goalie. 1.00

00:01:24.600 What the fuck? 0.99

00:01:26.280 I hear they're letting mares play now. 1.00

00:01:29.040 I hear they're letting...

00:01:30.460 Gentlemen, I regret to inform you.

00:01:33.220 Mares. 1.00

00:01:34.540 Bitch. 1.00

00:01:35.540 The ranch has fallen. 1.00

00:01:40.220 Oh, man.

00:01:41.700 But yeah, it was like, because I'm like, okay,

00:01:43.620 he's referring to horses playing hockey that's funny that's classic that's timeless

00:01:49.640 but then at horse hockey i'm like oh is that a reference to like a farm thing like 0.98

00:01:54.340 oh we're playing horse hockey it means you're whacking the penises around 0.91

00:01:58.820 some kind of insemination thing i don't know how it works anything that's got the taint of 0.99

00:02:04.620 morality i'll pretend to know that it like i'm like shit i should know this so i'm just like 0.91

00:02:09.880 Oh, yeah. Horse hockey. Of course. 0.99

00:02:12.600 I do the same thing. 1.00

00:02:14.140 What the fuck? 1.00

00:02:15.540 Anytime I hear a redneck say anything, 1.00

00:02:18.100 I reply with damn. 0.99

00:02:20.700 Damn right. 1.00

00:02:21.720 Damn. I agree. I support 1.00

00:02:24.200 this. Can you give me the notes later

00:02:26.160 after we leave?

00:02:27.600 Yeah, can you send me that later?

00:02:30.080 I'm just looking at my bare wrist.

00:02:34.740 I try to make up a thing

00:02:36.200 like here's tooting.

00:02:38.100 that's a mirror thing

00:02:39.180 that's a good one

00:02:42.800 speaking of

00:02:44.400 speaking of the back country

00:02:46.940 are we allowed to talk about that

00:02:48.660 NJP video that you just shared

00:02:50.380 oh jesus

00:02:52.020 it was really nice they were being

00:02:58.420 really cool reasonable

00:03:00.400 guys again

00:03:01.240 and being friendly and not counter

00:03:04.320 signaling the entire right wing

00:03:06.180 either they weren't doing that at all

00:03:07.860 It was two clips that came across my desk, and it was specifically Sven.

00:03:16.140 And maybe I couldn't make this.

00:03:17.560 Oh, is that Sven, the guy with the gray hair?

00:03:19.580 Yeah.

00:03:20.280 Oh, man, I like him even less now.

00:03:22.700 To be fair, I always thought that you were kind of the Sven in our relationship.

00:03:27.420 He's got a lot of characteristics of you, like, you know, insulting the audience and, like, wanting to ban people all the time.

00:03:36.560 Yeah.

00:03:36.820 He's kind of a blue-collar-ish guy.

00:03:38.460 I'm like, oh, he's good.

00:03:39.220 And then...

00:03:40.020 I don't know.

00:03:40.440 He's got like a stylish, sporty boy print tee,

00:03:43.800 and he looks like he trims his nose hair.

00:03:45.800 He does.

00:03:46.120 I don't think he's a blue-collar guy.

00:03:47.560 I think he's an internet guy.

00:03:48.840 You know what he looks like?

00:03:49.960 He looks like a guy who...

00:03:51.520 He looks like a Redditor.

00:03:52.500 He looks like a right-wing Redditor to me.

00:03:54.600 By blue-collar, I mean his dad owned a paint store,

00:03:57.500 which...

00:03:57.780 There you go.

00:03:58.520 There you go. 0.98

00:04:00.340 Monster.

00:04:00.960 It's kind of over.

00:04:02.200 It's two clips.

00:04:03.620 And this is...

00:04:04.380 I'm going to make this work by pairing this

00:04:05.720 with our last two episodes discussing you know the israel-palestine conflict here they've taken

00:04:11.000 the approach of being extremely pro not only pro-palestinian i would argue third worldist

00:04:17.620 and i'm gonna just say it's him because i think mike enoch who's sitting beside him was trying to

00:04:25.480 like reel him in because he's carefully pushing back on it yeah he was he he was and this has 0.98

00:04:30.540 happened before this has also happened where sven said you know fuck the small business owner during 0.98

00:04:35.500 covid i hope you guys go out of business because of fighting lockdowns it was like a very pro 1.00

00:04:41.980 covid stance it was good he does this shit all the fucking time like running his mouth and i 0.99

00:04:48.040 think they gotta reel him in behind the scenes so i don't you know to give credit regrets too but 0.99

00:04:52.740 his his rant was something like um first of all he was saying that oh isn't it interesting how

00:05:00.540 uh all the like lib areas are nice with resources and infrastructure and all the conservative 0.66

00:05:07.820 areas are just run down and shitty and full of trump signs and like it's an anti-conservative

00:05:13.940 rant which i've heard 100 times before from him from others from a lot of people in our sphere so 1.00

00:05:19.280 but it's it's saying like oh conservatives are just white trash fuck them every rural 1.00

00:05:27.400 fucking out of the way 1.00

00:05:28.380 shithole with crumbling 1.00

00:05:29.780 infrastructure and no 0.98

00:05:30.540 economy is filled with 0.99

00:05:31.560 fucking filled with 1.00

00:05:32.580 fucking Trump voters 1.00

00:05:33.460 you go you you go 1.00

00:05:35.020 fucking you go fucking 1.00

00:05:35.940 some places depressed 1.00

00:05:37.040 poor terrible and with

00:05:38.520 nothing to do look out

00:05:39.780 for all the Trump signs

00:05:40.640 you're gonna see him 1.00

00:05:41.360 well fucking awful 0.99

00:05:43.060 those people I see more 1.00

00:05:44.600 as like victims of this

00:05:45.820 system than um and

00:05:48.020 oh please they're

00:05:48.920 victim of their own 1.00

00:05:49.500 fucking they've been 1.00

00:05:50.520 convinced of like Jewish 1.00

00:05:51.640 selfish greed that like 0.96

00:05:52.840 having a community is

00:05:54.280 like an imposition on 1.00

00:05:55.640 your own fucking wealth 0.99

00:05:56.640 potential so you need to be free to like sit on the woods and make no money buy your on your own 1.00

00:06:01.160 and have nothing around you but fucking shit i see that ideology is more associated with these 1.00

00:06:06.420 these fucking like middle class actual republican activists and then like the the sort of people 1.00

00:06:11.420 you're talking about but but i was talking about the white working class the fudge round 0.98

00:06:17.820 demographic the white working class actually i think i think alex would have something to say

00:06:22.620 the actual white working class

00:06:26.440 that's much more of a middle class thing

00:06:28.460 more like the white diabetic class 1.00

00:06:29.740 the white women's class 0.95

00:06:31.740 there's no shortage of people in the white nationalist scene 0.98

00:06:37.080 who seem to hate white people 0.98

00:06:38.840 the majority of white people 0.98

00:06:40.940 so I don't know what to make of that

00:06:42.420 and then the second clip

00:06:45.760 was him saying that

00:06:48.500 and this is tied to the first one

00:06:50.100 which is that white conservatives

00:06:51.520 are not sufficiently anti-Semitic enough 0.56

00:06:55.180 and he would prefer to live around Palestinians 0.99

00:06:59.080 or Muslims or angry brown people, essentially. 0.99

00:07:03.420 If they are sufficiently anti-Semitic, 1.00

00:07:05.940 he prefers them to the cuck whites. 0.99

00:07:08.960 My Islam, my Rotherham, my Caliphate. 1.00

00:07:12.380 So just shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:07:13.580 I don't want to live next door to Palestinians. 1.00

00:07:15.800 Shut the fuck up. I do. 1.00

00:07:18.460 I'm too simple, you know?

00:07:19.980 like my brain is not wired as uh in such a complicated way so for me grug brain judas

00:07:28.020 anti-semitism means hate jew it doesn't have a package that also says love slime so i don't i

00:07:36.340 don't love slimes just because i hate jews but i know that that's a character fault that's my

00:07:41.160 problem and i'm trying to trying to deal with that sven i promise my paul i have a very simple

00:07:46.580 way of looking at two are pretty simple i i think you start from a position of being pro-white

00:07:53.200 and there's a lot of different ways to define pro-white it can just be as simple as i think

00:07:58.880 white people exist and i think they have a right to exist i think they have a right to fight for

00:08:04.860 their interests that's it that's and that's the baseline and that's a fair enough baseline i think

00:08:10.000 a lot of people would fall within those bounds yeah it doesn't have to be oh i don't want to

00:08:14.140 live beside a brown person maybe it's i do want to live beside a white person maybe i only want

00:08:19.340 to live beside white people what's wrong that it needs to be that connective tissue and that but

00:08:24.140 that should reach primacy um but when you swap that primacy with being anti-semitic which is

00:08:30.900 a struggle that's been going on in this scene broadly for quite some time not with everyone

00:08:35.980 a lot of people have resolved that but it's like if you choose anti-semitism over being

00:08:40.440 pro-white i think that leads you down a lot of really silly paths um that leads you down the

00:08:46.660 path of for example i was reading something about this earlier but it was like if you end up hating 0.92

00:08:51.860 all science because a lot of scientists are jews you know i mean yeah it is what it is so if you're

00:08:58.460 pro-white you're just like if i'm pro-white i'm against anyone who's anti-white so it turns out

00:09:03.820 that a lot of jews are anti-white that's how you get to that but you don't end up having to do all 0.98

00:09:09.640 this other weird shit like say that every bad guy throughout history was secretly jewish or 0.99

00:09:17.440 you know i mean like you you go into weird areas like that or trying to you know argue that any bad 0.98

00:09:23.660 event is tied to jews because you know i mean to try and recontextualize everything within that

00:09:29.340 paradigm or you end up in an area where you're saying like well whites are not sufficiently

00:09:34.320 anti-semitic i prefer anti-semitic people so that means i would rather live in a brown area 0.61

00:09:39.140 and you don't even need to be a white nationalist you don't need to be even pro-white to realize 0.98

00:09:45.860 that's fucking hilarious i don't i'm i'm rarely thunderstruck but i am thunderstruck that anyone 0.98

00:09:54.420 would even approach that idea from you know the with these political priors you know it just seems 0.97

00:10:02.740 like if you were being true to your beliefs you wouldn't make that and everyone's like oh that's

00:10:07.360 just letting off steam i don't think so heard it before um and that's what a lot of people are

00:10:11.880 saying now and that's what we were talking about the last few episodes i'm like you're i said be

00:10:16.140 careful about this i said be careful about being too pro-palestinian i understand like if you need

00:10:22.740 to pick a side in israel versus palestine it actually would make sense to pick the palestine

00:10:27.600 side even especially if your interest is not living around palestinians because if israel

00:10:33.220 wins they're going to deport all the palestinians and then they're going to end up here because the

00:10:36.800 jews have said we should resettle them in the west that's the news of the day right now so i'm 0.95

00:10:41.980 like you know i i get picking that side gun to your head flip coin whatever but i'm like if you

00:10:47.660 get too into that you'll end up in really strange places making really strange arguments that 0.84

00:10:54.400 in my opinion either verge or are anti-white that's well yeah well the way that i look at it

00:11:01.820 in the reason it bothers me is it's like in specificity it's like fuzzy thinking it's in

00:11:08.420 like i said earlier if anti-semitism means disliking jews if you can't think about that

00:11:14.460 without packaging a bunch of other things that we didn't talk about that we didn't agree to that 0.60

00:11:19.160 aren't directly related without packaging all those things in you're not a smart or serious

00:11:23.980 person i'm like yes this is an attack but i'm saying if you can't do that if you if you jump 1.00

00:11:30.460 from one to the other with no explanation and you think everybody else is dumb you are the dumb one 0.98

00:11:35.740 and likewise it's like well you know i uh let's say i do you know what i'll say right now i do 0.99

00:11:42.160 support palestine in the war in israel at which is to say if i had to pick a side i hope palestine

00:11:48.580 wins and palestine destroys israel oh well that means you want palestinians in canada did i 0.98

00:11:53.720 fucking say that no no i don't i think we should after they win we should bomb palestine 0.99

00:11:59.000 why do you assume you don't make all of these fucking assumptions that the guy says a thing 1.00

00:12:05.120 or a thing is the way it is don't go you know what it is it's almost like the the red blue 0.99

00:12:10.980 left right political thing we've talked about this a lot lately where if you're part of a party or a

00:12:16.800 movement there's like a hundred check boxes that you you have to check and you're not really one 1.00

00:12:21.960 of us if you don't believe in every single one of these things and that's a really stupid stupid 0.97

00:12:27.520 good way to think so just because we want israel to lose does not mean you must want browns to come 0.96

00:12:34.440 home that's third worldism so i just i wish and we said this so much i wish people could just

00:12:40.180 separate out individual issues and just stick to those

00:12:44.260 having connection issues and had to so if you hear a jarring restart of this

00:12:52.340 uh episode that's what happened and sorry just before we continue i was just reading our chat

00:12:58.400 and i caught good old-fashioned 40 sacks doing a classic 40 humblebrag

00:13:05.040 class what we might call a self-adda boy

00:13:08.820 self-adda boy we're talking about imposter syndrome i think your wife is in there 1.00

00:13:15.120 flapping her fucking gums and he's trying to trying to trying to relate right he's like oh 0.99

00:13:21.280 I have imposter syndrome too even now here's a quote by the way even even now I have a hard 1.00

00:13:29.060 time acknowledging the fact that I actually go to the gym five days a week weird flex but okay

00:13:34.980 that's a self attaboy I'll tell you what you keep this up 40 I know you're listening you keep this

00:13:41.080 up you're gonna be in trouble with me in spades you're gonna you're gonna start saying this stuff

00:13:45.680 about yourself in public and you know what's gonna happen to you pretty soon somebody like

00:13:49.680 me is going to come along and i'm going to say hey proud of you good job this is the third time 0.94

00:13:57.080 i caught him doing this too it's like oh man i i feel like such shit i'm gonna have to go down

00:14:01.840 to six days in the gym a week you know i i just beat my personal best in running but man it was

00:14:08.600 it really took a lot out of me enough enough this stop this stops today you know what to get

00:14:16.860 totally honest him hearing him talk about it encourages me to do more no it doesn't you know

00:14:24.560 what i don't like i don't i don't know what it is you're doing right now i don't like it

00:14:27.880 i i don't look i'm i don't like gym rats but i do like hearing people really i like hearing people

00:14:37.020 talk about the good things that they did just to remind me you know what i mean like somebody's

00:14:44.380 like if you're having you're having a shitty you know small talk conversation he's like i had to 0.94

00:14:49.160 take the garbage out today i'm like oh shit i forgot i need to take the garbage out it's like 0.97

00:14:53.780 that i don't know i'm gonna be honest i'm gonna be honest with you folks home you're hearing this 0.97

00:15:00.340 this is real i'm flummoxed frank possible worst judas take of the year worst judas take but what

00:15:08.100 watch judas coin climb just to spite me even though buying the dip is the smart investor's

00:15:13.500 choice actually well i mean if it's falling because of my bad take then people would be

00:15:17.300 buying the dip shortly after i'm i'm gonna end i'm gonna put a hard stop on this right now

00:15:23.260 yeah because i'm livid you know what they say buy the rumor sell the news

00:15:27.200 here's the thing i'm laughing because that's that's such i have i don't i haven't heard that

00:15:34.960 before and it's so smart and it's so perfect and i'm i'm so mad that i'm just laughing

00:15:42.920 i want to i want to cause so much damage right now all right just back to the main point because

00:15:51.300 here's the thing i i'm uh you made a good point earlier on about oh i'm a simple guy i got i got

00:15:57.100 a simple way of looking at this i also got some a simple way of looking at this but it's something

00:16:02.460 that i've had to grapple with and just to offer a tiny olive branch this is you know to to speak to

00:16:12.700 the frustration one might feel when looking at the lack of self-preservation or apparent agency

00:16:20.520 with a great number of whites i've looked upon you know my my brethren and also when we say

00:16:27.980 whites you know we're not getting in to the hard demarcations of what is white who is white

00:16:33.880 that we kind of have a general sense let's just start with that let's just start that we can all

00:16:37.700 agree white people as a category exists that everyone in the world knows it exists we could

00:16:43.580 debate about what the edges of that are at some point but so by i look at other white people

00:16:49.300 especially in the west and i see almost a lust for humiliation uh rituals at this point and i

00:16:56.160 don't know what to do with that and so maybe to to sen's point that's from the position he's

00:17:00.140 seeking from however the thing that i've grappled with is that if you are pro-white and here's the

00:17:06.200 funny thing i might get in trouble for saying this you don't necessarily need to be white to

00:17:10.320 be pro-white i would appreciate it if everyone was pro-white you know that's just that would be 0.91

00:17:14.800 ridiculous but it's funny right because even getting to a point where you can have a conversation 0.91

00:17:19.680 about that that seems like you just performed a magic trick right whereas like we spent like 0.85

00:17:24.760 Sven's out here being pro-Brown.

00:17:27.700 He's being pro-Muslim, pro-Arabic.

00:17:29.720 So obviously it's possible for a white man to be pro-Arabic, pro-slime.

00:17:35.680 So why would it be inconceivable that the Philippines could be pro-white?

00:17:42.060 They kind of are a little bit.

00:17:43.980 The Philippines loves it.

00:17:45.200 Japan is.

00:17:46.180 Japan is pro-white.

00:17:47.300 Yeah, there's a lot of non-white nations or cultures that are pro-white.

00:17:51.760 they respect look there's there's communities within china like subcultures and areas that

00:17:57.060 are pro-white we got we got a persian we got at least one persian fan i appreciate him he's a pro

00:18:04.520 white guy now without throwing people under the bus here there's i would say when you have one

00:18:08.460 race that's pro another race you could be saying i support that race's agency and independence

00:18:15.680 you could also be saying i think that race is superior to me and or rather let me phrase that

00:18:23.240 differently i at this moment am going to prioritize my energy in assisting that race rather than

00:18:31.700 exclusively helping my own race that's what sven is doing i don't think that's what a lot of guys 0.92

00:18:39.280 that are non-white supporting you know like a lot of the the brown fascists that we have

00:18:44.240 i don't think they want fascism for whites only and to continue living in pustan i think they 0.71

00:18:52.360 also want pustan they want to see a pustan you know reich you know what i mean does that make

00:18:59.720 sense i don't think there's a whole lot of non-whites that are pro-white to the extent

00:19:03.760 that they want to be slaves no that's absolutely true and um and and the position that i get in

00:19:12.280 and i'm as bad with this as anyone which is that i if you are pro-white as we have defined it

00:19:18.820 you might find yourself in a position where you are disparaging half of all white people we do 0.98

00:19:25.080 this with libs it's like we got to get what are we going to do with these fucking libs right these 0.99

00:19:29.200 liberals these progressives and it's like well you know do i do i hate half of all white people 1.00

00:19:35.720 i mean look i i think the way that i frame this is i because i talk about my idiot kid brother 1.00

00:19:40.540 all the time he's still my brother we're blood and i still love the guy he's the worst possible 0.94

00:19:46.080 conceivable type person if he weren't my brother i would despise him but he is my brother um and my

00:19:51.920 my way of dealing with it is don't let him have first of all don't let him have any power over me

00:19:57.500 and then increasingly try not to let him have power over anything else and my true faith in

00:20:05.900 the way the world is

00:20:07.560 means that if he's left

00:20:10.080 to his own devices and taken

00:20:11.960 out of his systems of comfort, he will eventually

00:20:14.020 find the right path on his own. I don't have

00:20:16.020 to beat the shit out of him. He'll figure it out. 0.99

00:20:18.500 If you unplug him,

00:20:20.180 he'll figure it out. And that's the way I think about

00:20:22.000 white libs. You don't need to 1.00

00:20:23.920 round up white libs and put them in an education

00:20:25.940 camp. You just need to turn the internet off

00:20:28.100 and make them take up real jobs. 0.99

00:20:30.700 Just give them real fucking jobs 1.00

00:20:32.200 and get the browns out, 1.00

00:20:34.120 get the jews out of the education system collapse the federal government and you will find most of

00:20:39.940 these especially like center left libs will just become normal people again in like 10 years i

00:20:45.060 guarantee it yeah and and just to offer a second twig of what might be interpreted as an olive

00:20:52.680 branch i'm going to explain how i nearly found myself in the same position recently but i how

00:20:58.780 i got out of it so you know i saw an article and i it started off as a screenshot and i went to

00:21:05.300 confirm that the article is real and it is and some people have seen this as well but do you

00:21:11.040 recall that hockey player adam johnson who died because being kicked in the neck by the black

00:21:17.520 yeah yes i recall that that everyone was pretending was an accident and it very clearly wasn't it's 0.98

00:21:25.140 such bullshit in the second period of their game against sheffield steelers on saturday 0.71

00:21:30.200 a freak accident saw the 29 year old american suffer from a slashed neck by a skate he was 0.98

00:21:36.740 later pronounced dead in hospital yeah very clearly it's never happened before like see

00:21:42.940 the thing about an accident is if anyone's worked around heavy machinery anyone's worked on a job

00:21:48.520 site anything accidents happen all the time um and you know they shouldn't because most accidents

00:21:54.320 are predictable so you prevent them this has never happened before it's never happened that

00:21:59.040 someone drop kicked someone in the neck and slashed their throat yeah and that because i played hockey

00:22:04.260 as a kid yeah i played and a lot of us did and it was like that would be so insane if that were to

00:22:09.460 happen if this were a workplace accident it'd be like yeah i threw i i tricked him into coming to

00:22:15.740 the edge of the building and pushed him down the garbage chute i also took his hard hat um and then

00:22:21.380 when he got to the bottom i kicked him before i checked whether he was breathing but it was a

00:22:25.240 gag man it was a prank i was in a bad it was in a bad mood yes i was mad at him yes he slept with

00:22:30.240 my wife but i was just doing it as a prank bro that's a good that's a good one i'm gonna take 0.98

00:22:35.120 one that doesn't involve sex um it doesn't involve cuckoldry it's good good one the reason i bring

00:22:42.380 that up is because they're if people forget that content man i'm wrong about this but my

00:22:45.820 understanding was the context that he didn't kick him as a joke joke he it was kind of he

00:22:51.240 saying it was a joke but in reality he was mad at the guy for something yeah some some slight he 0.98

00:22:57.520 detected some slight on the ice and he got back got back at him like no you're being a nigger 0.99

00:23:03.660 niggers are gorillas and they act out of violence without thinking and you murdered a man 1.00

00:23:08.340 in cold blood in an instant because you're a big fucking dumb gorilla that's all there is to the 1.00

00:23:14.620 story what i want is him to appear in front of a jury of his peers in a court explain the joke 1.00

00:23:20.900 explain the joke to a judge

00:23:22.800 yeah but there aren't enough other gorillas

00:23:25.000 in the NHL to get a jury of his peers

00:23:26.940 were you inspired by

00:23:28.960 friends for this joke

00:23:30.180 did Matthew Perry

00:23:33.160 make a reference

00:23:34.100 where would this joke come from

00:23:35.480 I don't get it

00:23:37.500 I don't get it

00:23:39.180 they're calling all of these expert witnesses

00:23:42.020 and it's like

00:23:42.940 all these Jewish comedians

00:23:45.860 they call up Jerry Seinfeld

00:23:48.040 and he's like look

00:23:49.600 i i don't know what am i doing just exhausted jerry seinfeld is my favorite version of him

00:23:56.800 but so i read this art we all know what happened we all know he's the news knows everyone who saw

00:24:03.920 this knows it's the only problem was that the media was like pretending it wasn't but then i

00:24:09.660 see this article and says this individual's name matt petgrave it says moment matt petgrave is

00:24:16.480 giving a standing ovation as he appears during match after his skates at the throat of adam

00:24:21.940 johnson sunday saw the first game back at the sheffield arena since the death of adam johnson

00:24:29.040 at the venue with special tributes for nottingham's number 47 and a fan ovation in support of

00:24:37.360 sheffield's canadian defenseman matt peckgrave again even that phrase in his skates slit the

00:24:43.160 throat like the skate did it but i'm paying more attention to the standing ovation a sea

00:24:48.200 of white faces just standing and applauding this guy now let me just preface this by saying like 0.81

00:24:54.480 there are times even recently we've had cases of this where a white individual is killed by a black

00:25:01.960 and the parents of that individual usually like a teenager they'll release a statement saying we

00:25:07.540 don't want to make this about race he wouldn't want this to be about race right we're also aware

00:25:12.540 that there's pressure groups that descend upon these families yeah there's like a whole department

00:25:17.240 of the government that yeah they don't make it about race and they're going to either threaten

00:25:22.180 or encourage or do whatever they do to make it so they don't start a race right because we're

00:25:27.280 we're on the brink of a race right at all times at all times that's why they're scared but to me

00:25:35.380 this was completely generative this was not due to pressure this was not due to coercion it's just

00:25:43.640 a stadium full of people you know though i i it just seems like i think there's another article

00:25:50.800 i read where a similar thing happened yeah and then so i looked at that and i'm like i was

00:25:56.360 again thunderstruck i'm rarely thunderstruck i watched that i'm like what would possess you

00:26:02.800 to do this because i'm going to explain why because let's take ourselves within the framework

00:26:09.260 of what this is so even if we accept that it was just manslaughter and it wasn't intentional and

00:26:16.880 it was but let's say it wasn't why also would you clap and the example i that just sprang to mind

00:26:24.220 was the case of matthew broderick now a lot of people might know matthew broderick ferris bueller's

00:26:31.080 day off he's an actor um he was pretty notorious for a long time because he was in um ireland i

00:26:38.860 believe many many years ago driving a car late at night i don't think he was drunk i think he was

00:26:45.180 sleepy gets into a car accident kills someone vehicular manslaughter the crash the actor was

00:26:51.960 charged with causing death by dangerous driving and faced with up to five years behind bars however

00:26:58.440 he was later convicted of a lesser charge of careless driving and fined $175, which Anna and

00:27:05.220 Margaret's family called a travesty of justice. Many in Ireland were upset that Roderick got off

00:27:11.540 by paying a fine and that he returned to the United States when he paid bail of $4075. He was

00:27:19.400 not charged with vehicular manslaughter and left only a note saying he was sorry.

00:27:24.020 he's in the news and it seemed that for a long time after and this is he was a pretty known guy

00:27:29.520 it seemed like he was blackballed or he wasn't allowed in polite society that he got away with

00:27:35.220 it too like he he was went to trial and they found him not responsible and he was just let go right

00:27:41.080 so he's it's not even that he was a criminal it's not even that he was found guilty in a court of

00:27:45.760 law but it seemed that after that there was a hush around him like okay this is i'm not comfortable

00:27:52.300 around this guy whatever it is you know yeah but but imagine the day after matthew broderick gets

00:27:59.060 away with vehicular manslaughter due to negligence he gets a standing ovation at the oscars at the 0.73

00:28:05.260 awards whatever it's like that would be fucking insane to to celebrate him for that because

00:28:11.420 someone died and and you are responsible whether or not it's intentional and it was but let's say 0.86

00:28:17.260 it's even ineptitude let's say it was an accident what you don't get clapped you get shuffled into

00:28:23.760 the shadows maybe forever so the fact that even if we accept that it was just a whoopsie daisy

00:28:29.740 for them to like take a stand and celebrate him that that it blew my mind in a way it hasn't been

00:28:36.680 blown like that since forever like this to me and we follow this stuff pretty closely i'm like this

00:28:41.140 is the the most confusing and like no shocking display of like a humiliation ritual that i've

00:28:49.320 ever seen now to be fair this guy um uh matt petgrave he it seems that he was arrested

00:28:57.900 for this just recently as of today when we're recording this good we are not showing the exact

00:29:05.060 moment but in a game last month it was petgrave skate that cut johnson's neck on tuesday police

00:29:11.980 investigating the incident arrested a man on suspicion of manslaughter but did not name him

00:29:18.180 the way they're reporting it's weird like they've arrested a man for the the way they describe it

00:29:25.020 like they arrested a man for the skate throat slitting death of adam johnson i'm like well who

00:29:32.720 you found the other guy

00:29:34.720 he's a totally different guy

00:29:36.440 we got this guy over here

00:29:38.540 he bullied

00:29:40.640 Petgrave in high school 1.00

00:29:41.740 he found the one armed man motherfucker 1.00

00:29:44.240 what do you mean he found 0.99

00:29:45.240 but anyway that was like one where I looked

00:29:50.660 at this crowd

00:29:51.480 and some kind of Pavlovian response happening

00:29:54.540 and saying I don't know what to do with these people

00:29:56.640 this is beyond me

00:29:58.020 do we gotta like put them on an island

00:30:00.640 what do we do I don't know what to do 0.79

00:30:02.440 with them this is so ridiculous however some people came back at me it's like look you know 0.91

00:30:08.220 these people they're just so conditioned it doesn't even make sense they just said well this 0.89

00:30:12.480 i i feel like i need to clap they're not even thinking through i'm like i i think we clap i

00:30:17.460 guess we clap right like they're looking around but i'm like i guess that would be like you said

00:30:23.100 maybe if we just get them to turn off the tv for a year maybe that goes away so it's simple like

00:30:29.600 social algebra like if you look at how they got there you know who is they always say they're 0.92

00:30:34.880 sheep right they just follow each other it's a very stupid analogy but it's kind of true right 0.96

00:30:39.940 they didn't get there by making a bunch of hard choices and critically analyzing they got there 0.99

00:30:45.420 you know inch by inch incrementally over years by just following the person in front of them in line

00:30:51.860 so if you just move the line in a different direction in the same period of time you can

00:30:56.760 put them back again i don't seem that i don't think that's crazy right if you get like i said

00:31:01.340 earlier get the jews out of the institution shut off the sports ball maybe shut the internet down

00:31:06.180 or censor the internet get these people into white communities where they are exposed daily 0.78

00:31:11.940 to norms not immediately not all at once incrementally the same way that our opponents

00:31:16.940 did it to us we can do the same thing we incrementally expose them to the correct way of

00:31:21.680 living and over time they just automatically adopt it because they are line followers like

00:31:27.560 it's most people it really does sound like it was just the wave you know yeah no that's a wave is a 0.96

00:31:34.380 great example of it like a dude i do the fucking wave and it come you're gonna gonna not do it 0.76

00:31:38.780 you're gonna be the one guy who does not do the wave come on can i just say this what i was the 0.99

00:31:44.620 one guy that wouldn't do the way you fucking 1.00

00:31:46.400 faggot 1.00

00:31:47.200 I'm the guy 1.00

00:31:52.700 I'm the goblin you're such a stinker 1.00

00:31:55.440 I am the 1.00

00:31:56.620 goblin kid 0.98

00:31:57.760 I'm calling your wife

00:32:00.900 watching the Toronto

00:32:02.380 maple leaves 0.99

00:32:04.100 it sucks

00:32:06.780 that we have a team our biggest 1.00

00:32:08.780 team named after a fucking leaf 1.00

00:32:10.760 yeah 1.00

00:32:11.500 then there's the Canadians but what are

00:32:14.400 canadians if not just leafs it can is well it does sound like a girl canadian yeah

00:32:19.920 i wonder if anyone's ever pointed that out that they just sound like girl canadians yeah

00:32:26.080 but also you know just to stay within that analogy of the stadium and the wave and the

00:32:32.260 just pavlovian response i'm not saying you should do this i'm just saying perhaps this is possible

00:32:38.720 could you get a mass

00:32:40.780 Sieg Heil going

00:32:42.120 with the same mechanics like just one

00:32:44.880 guy does it and then

00:32:46.680 the stadium's full of just regular stock

00:32:48.980 guys like who's a stock guy you know

00:32:50.700 picture him you know he's like 5 foot

00:32:52.840 11 he's balding

00:32:54.560 glasses he's wearing just

00:32:56.840 a you know

00:32:58.580 a puffer jacket and he's

00:33:00.940 sitting there with his lips pursed and he's like

00:33:02.760 oh is that we're doing

00:33:04.640 doing that we're doing the Heil okay

00:33:06.560 like this whole stadium those guys will do it

00:33:08.660 maybe you can do it. Let's frame it this way. If you have a thousand people in a stadium and one

00:33:12.720 guy starts, you know, in a regular pattern, throwing the Roman salute, obviously that's

00:33:19.400 not going to create a, you know, a wave. But on the other hand, if you had, let's say 900 out of

00:33:25.160 a thousand, I guarantee you'd have at least 50 people. If 900 people were doing it, they would

00:33:30.180 do it. The question is at what number is the breaking point? Is it a hundred like randomly

00:33:36.780 interesting imagine that if you actually had a thousand people in there and a hundred of them

00:33:40.560 were our guys who are interspersed randomly and actually got a roman salute wave going around the

00:33:46.880 stadium i i bet you would start to see people who weren't part of your group joining in

00:33:51.420 as just for a laugh just i'm being totally serious like just like irreverent brown guys

00:33:59.360 you know what i mean of course they would you do it and then people are oh my and it's oh dear

00:34:05.100 and what you say is no no it's rome it's it's rome it's rome yeah it's hail it's it's the roman

00:34:13.560 thing like oh okay and then you know some people are going to do it and here's how you here's how

00:34:18.500 you get to them people who are on the edge make sure you roll your eyes when you do it

00:34:23.180 here we go this is you could get people having fun you put your two fingers up like a hitler

00:34:27.980 mustache and do like a big grumpy frown like you're kind of mocking hitler but then you get

00:34:32.360 everybody doing it but it's like then it's irony poison like at what point are you actually just

00:34:36.720 yeah yeah yeah dude that's like i'll do the thing and then put your hand at your side and lean in

00:34:42.600 and then wag your finger going like oh this is like mean hitler this man i want to go to a hockey

00:34:48.700 game now for the first time in my life for the first time like my record you know this is what

00:34:54.660 hockey games could be if the boys were just going here's no here's what you do by the way um just

00:34:59.980 to test this out because it's hard to do anything for the first time that's why you do it at a

00:35:05.740 women's hockey game all the boys no women's basketball go to a women's basketball game

00:35:13.320 i don't know how they do women's sports you might have a hockey and basketball back to back

00:35:18.280 they try to go to a women's basketball game but first of all the bleachers are all on one side

00:35:24.500 so you can't do a wave and the second of all there's only like 60 people there there's gonna

00:35:29.440 be a lot of people who like this is a pretty popular show we get a lot of new listeners every

00:35:34.120 week every time we start off with just like we should do more like hitler salutes at a hockey

00:35:40.000 game i fear that they're not gonna stick with this till we get to the really good stuff please

00:35:45.620 please stay there's a book there's gonna be a book there's a book we got all kinds of stuff 0.98

00:35:50.720 on this episode it's not us just starting with beef starting a feed fucking feed

00:35:56.840 so i wanted to there's a couple things i want to talk about and i'm going to be talking 0.85

00:36:02.220 mad shit at the top of this and it's got nothing to do with nothing um i just wanted to bring your 0.91

00:36:08.720 attention to something that you might not have known about and you might have because you're a 0.97

00:36:12.480 father but um i'll give a bit of background so uh nickels uh my son is getting close to eight

00:36:21.580 months old and just for people a lot of people like these updates about how nickels is doing

00:36:27.820 uh this is a real good time of having a baby you know the first little few months it was kind of

00:36:34.660 rough going because it's new and it's just a baby it's it hasn't figured out how to be how to act

00:36:40.440 like a person yet you know yeah it's just crying doesn't know what's crying now he's very delightful

00:36:46.280 and i don't tell you this like it'll warm the heart of even the coldest cynic the first time

00:36:51.900 your child like is very very happy to see you and it knows it knows the context of who you are

00:36:58.620 oh yeah and it it likes you it he or she likes you and very clearly doesn't like other people

00:37:05.160 i'm like i like that i like you know you know i'm good and he walks in the room and gives you

00:37:10.280 a look of such joy that you haven't you've never seen joy before yeah i think of all the things

00:37:17.180 you need to do i love that harvey picar quote from american splendor i think about that quote

00:37:22.360 all the time where there's like the guy was saying you know your comic is just about you know real

00:37:27.000 life is it hey man real life's pretty complicated stuff it's true think about how complicated the

00:37:34.520 average life if you're doing life properly you know one example is that um you know if you want

00:37:40.440 to raise your kids and do the whole um nutrition thing yourself and do your own purees and do 0.97

00:37:47.280 organic food that's what we do and it fucking sucks and it never gets easier and it's just a 0.98

00:37:53.000 grind you got to do uh for a long time it's it's really complicated it adds another layer of 0.99

00:37:58.640 complexity to your life but that's everything that's like you you grow your own food that's

00:38:03.240 just a new thing you do fucking forever but that to do it right to live a life that's not 0.76

00:38:09.700 sacrificed in any way there's so much shit you gotta do yourself and they think about that then 0.98

00:38:15.500 there's the politics then there's the philosophy then there's the metaphysics that the way we go 0.99

00:38:19.720 about it all these layers but then you look at a baby and think about like you know we talked about

00:38:25.980 the society of mind by marvin minsky about how babies and children like they're just building

00:38:31.200 their semantic connections between things like they're still figuring out like oh reach plus

00:38:36.440 lift equals get you know and i'm just looking at thinking about our lives and looking at a baby

00:38:41.480 and thinking like the biggest thing in your life right now is that banana teether and that's all

00:38:49.300 you got to worry about yeah that's it you know i mean i don't know i'm just in awe of like man 0.99

00:38:54.300 it's dumb to say but i'm like we should be babies it'd be cool to be a baby i'm sick of this shit 0.97

00:39:01.900 i'm sick of i'm sick of politics man i just want to grow the listenership was waiting when we would 0.99

00:39:08.420 finally fall off the horse will they be trans will we be no we're adult babies i'm gonna be a baby

00:39:16.780 here's the thing i didn't want people to think you just said it there this isn't like an adult

00:39:22.360 baby thing i just i actually just wanted to be a baby i do now i'm sweating because people are

00:39:29.840 gonna say oh it's diaper dimes holy humiliation we got a moment where you love your your little 0.51

00:39:38.060 kids so much so you're like damn i wish somebody would love me that much i wish i was a baby 0.92

00:39:43.460 yeah i wish i wish i could be happy you know what i mean like that happiness of like 0.91

00:39:48.980 Like, it gets, like, a purple block, like a squishy block, and looks at it like, yes!

00:39:57.220 Yeah, I know.

00:39:58.220 Such a charmed life.

00:40:00.140 You know, and if you handed me a check for a billion dollars, I wouldn't have that reaction.

00:40:05.940 I'd say, what's the catch? 0.96

00:40:07.180 How am I getting raped for this later? 0.96

00:40:09.420 Yeah. 0.98

00:40:11.120 Nothing good can ever happen.

00:40:13.920 That's the world we live in right now.

00:40:15.460 As an adult, nothing good happens.

00:40:17.780 if something good happens look for a blade look for an assassin's laser beam on you

00:40:24.020 but anyway so um things are going good because he's a delightful uh boy um but he was uh we

00:40:32.880 taken the doctor and he was on the smaller side and they were worried that he wasn't getting

00:40:37.700 enough nutrition because what we were doing was he was primarily being breastfed and this i'm

00:40:43.320 saying this as a note to all the young dads out there uh especially if they want to go down

00:40:48.780 not the dads but if you have a wife that wants to go down the breastfeeding route

00:40:52.600 um and they can because a lot of women can but if you can be aware that um formula fed babies tend

00:40:59.620 to be bigger and heavier and they set the standard for baby weights so sometimes um and also they

00:41:06.860 need like a vitamin d supplement that's another thing that i didn't know about anyway um one thing

00:41:12.240 was we he's old enough so it's like okay primarily gets breast milk but he's also going to be eating

00:41:17.560 solid foods fair enough but still like we found that he was kind of underweight so we just we've

00:41:23.300 been feeding him like crazy long story short we took him to the doctor and he gained a ton of

00:41:28.240 weight since we actually start feeding him more like my wife feeds him like basically breastfeeds

00:41:33.480 him a ton throughout the day she works from home we're both working and then she'll get three meals 0.97

00:41:40.380 of solids a day and he's just pounding away like oatmeal with like fucking pureed apples and 0.98

00:41:47.300 quinoa and lentils and fucking almond butter um and and he's loving it and so and he gained all 0.98

00:41:55.520 he's gaining all the way back but one thing i learned and this is a very roundabout way of 0.96

00:41:59.720 getting here but this is to say that we are speaking to nutritionists we are speaking to

00:42:03.920 doctors like you know what's going on because you're also trying to figure out if they're

00:42:06.580 allergic to things you don't know he's not allergic to anything but some sometimes they do

00:42:10.580 especially they have sensitivities early on sure like like we were giving him food and he was having 0.99

00:42:15.780 a reaction to everything we gave him by reaction i mean a rash on his face rash on his fucking chest 0.99

00:42:22.020 and arms like what the fuck that just goes away it just you know we looked into it's like yeah you 0.99

00:42:28.460 know don't worry about it and then now does it just a weird fucking thing that sometimes happens 0.99

00:42:33.540 so don't start seeing that this is another note to the parents out there don't start seeing that 0.92

00:42:38.560 and thinking oh my god they're allergic to all these foods because some people do that's how

00:42:43.140 you get like the munchausen syndrome that's how you get yeah all these these kids that don't eat

00:42:47.980 anything um except like two things and then and if you stay with that then they'll grow up into

00:42:54.860 kids that can't eat anything like i i got one kid in in on my wife's side he's a teenager

00:43:01.420 and we've mentioned him before

00:43:04.120 and we see him at family functions

00:43:06.000 and he can only eat Little Caesars

00:43:08.380 cheese pizza

00:43:09.080 it's like a potluck everyone's bringing food 0.99

00:43:12.300 bringing all kinds of shit and it's delicious 0.98

00:43:13.820 but they have to come with a pizza 1.00

00:43:16.100 just for him

00:43:17.020 and I asked can I have a slice and they said no

00:43:20.520 see that's the worst

00:43:22.440 part these people have

00:43:24.300 no respect 0.99

00:43:25.160 I don't like a lot of this shit here but 0.99

00:43:27.620 okay look you don't love Little Caesars 1.00

00:43:29.560 Little Caesars is there 1.00

00:43:30.860 you want a slice everyone wants a slice don't fucking come at me like playing a fucking horse 0.99

00:43:37.980 hockey game on my forehead anyway so the point is talking to a traditionist and they uh they said 0.99

00:43:44.880 you know he's got no problem he's got no problems breastfeeding he's got no problems like digesting

00:43:48.440 food it's just he needs more of it the point is that i was learning um that because you know

00:43:55.680 There's autistic kids.

00:43:57.900 You know, you've heard about them, right?

00:43:59.600 Yeah, I heard about them.

00:44:00.060 They can kind of diagnose autism pretty early.

00:44:03.420 Mmm, interesting.

00:44:05.440 Yeah, so, but one thing they said,

00:44:08.500 and I don't know what to make of this,

00:44:10.080 because I was speaking to a doctor,

00:44:11.240 and doctors won't trash talk other doctors,

00:44:13.080 but this doctor was kind of implying that this is insane.

00:44:17.000 Like, you know, to autistic kids,

00:44:19.000 a lot of the time what they'll do,

00:44:20.380 and they have trouble eating,

00:44:21.760 they introduce what's called the beige diet.

00:44:24.320 have you heard of the beige diet no i already hate it though it's it's you only eat beige foods 0.99

00:44:32.320 that's so stupid do you want to know what beige foods are 1.00

00:44:35.740 what just formula french fries oh chicken nuggets 1.00

00:44:41.980 little caesar's cheese pizza literally just think of food that's making you are making your kid

00:44:49.640 autistic this is just self-fulfilling and she had said that you know a lot of the times the parents

00:44:55.600 and the doctors the behavioralists whatever they're called they'll introduce these foods as

00:44:59.900 a reward mechanism and then she had said without saying it's like and then you're supposed to get

00:45:06.200 them off that eventually and parents just don't but anyway it blew my mind because i never heard 0.92

00:45:11.060 this before i didn't know that one of the reasons this shit might be happening in our culture is 0.96

00:45:16.800 parents are feeding french fries and chicken nuggets to their like children as like their 0.97

00:45:21.620 first and only food well and also like the munchausen thing that that you said a minute ago

00:45:28.160 like this isn't just that parents are feeding their kids bad food that's part of it but you

00:45:33.340 said a nutritionist or like a pediatrician told you about your eight month old son that if he has

00:45:43.620 at eight months signs of a disease which by the way is not clearly defined and is still not

00:45:48.560 properly diagnosed as signs of this disease you should completely alter his diet in a way that

00:45:55.060 has not been tested great i mean oh by the way alter his diet in a way that is designed to have 0.98

00:46:03.400 a psychological and social impact on an eight month old like this is that is so fucking insane 0.88

00:46:10.260 And I know people people get mad at me. Somebody's getting on my case in the chat about the other day. I don't fucking care. I will die with this belief. Autism, high functioning autism like Asperger syndrome is not real. You are just a dumbass. You are maladjusted. You're an idiot. You don't know how to talk to people because you were raised in the social equivalent of a fucking dog cage because you had parents that fed you nuggies and put you in front of the TV when you were 0.95

00:46:40.240 two that's why you are the way you are you don't have a disease you're just a fucking dope get out 1.00

00:46:45.300 of the house that's it that's fucking all it is and this is this is crazy because you're describing 0.99

00:46:50.860 and i we didn't ever had that advice from doctors you're describing that pediatricians are advising 0.99

00:46:55.940 people who have kids that how do you even define normal behavior for a fucking eight month old 0.96

00:47:03.020 what do you mean they have trouble eating it's he's eight months old of course he doesn't want 0.99

00:47:08.140 to eat stuff like yeah and that's saying like our our nickels is actually pretty good but there's 0.99

00:47:14.460 other babies that aren't and there's who it's a fucking baby they do weird shit well that and 0.98

00:47:19.280 like when you're especially if you're a first-time parent you don't know what the patterns of these 0.99

00:47:22.860 kids are like with our second kid we kind of know already but with our first one like she's doing

00:47:28.080 stuff and it's like oh my god this is horrible but it's like yeah it's also a phase and a phase

00:47:32.780 for a one-year-old lasts like six days and then it's over like they'll have they'll have sleep

00:47:39.240 regression for example where suddenly they just scream and cry till 3 a.m it's like oh my god

00:47:43.440 this needs to stop soon well it does it goes for like three days and then it stops i've gone through

00:47:47.460 like a few sleep regressions and even my wife still is like what's wrong what's the matter i'm

00:47:51.060 like it's just it's sleep regression it'll be done in three days like everything's done in three days

00:47:55.800 and the funny thing is like you know with uh nickels he everyone this was what annoyed me

00:48:02.040 because boomers will always okay let me just say this boomers are acting really out of pocket when 0.97

00:48:07.000 it comes to babies i'm fucking sorry they don't know fucking anything we were in a grocery store 1.00

00:48:12.020 and old ladies love doing so when they see a baby is they get right up in their fucking face 0.99

00:48:17.340 and just stare and you know the thing with babies is babies don't like when just a blank face is 0.99

00:48:25.580 staring at them like a mask but that seems to be what boomers do like they'll just kind of

00:48:30.120 crane their head in like bug eye and smiling and just hold their head there and then the baby's

00:48:36.020 like looking like nickels is looking up and he starts crying and he doesn't really cry that much 0.96

00:48:41.100 he doesn't cry in public especially when he's in public he's fucking cool as a cucumber until this 0.95

00:48:45.800 random old lady gets in his face then he starts he'll do this like frat like it's a slow frown 0.96

00:48:51.440 like a horseshoe what part of having a kid thinks you want just like a static face glaring at you

00:48:57.460 ever have you ever met a baby that liked that like i have my own kids i've met your kid i've 0.97

00:49:03.140 met other people's kids infants don't fucking like being like shocked randomly by people and animals 0.80

00:49:09.840 they don't like i don't know why why would you think that yeah and um yeah anyway so but everything 0.98

00:49:18.420 is going well with him oh yeah so i was gonna say like you know when early early on the thing

00:49:23.480 had known me about boomers was they'll say oh baby sleep all the time like you're a new parent

00:49:27.540 they sleep all the time but i'd say like he doesn't sleep for the first three four months

00:49:32.000 he hardly slept at all he was always waiting like 10 minute intervals nap up nap up and we had to

00:49:38.920 like figure out how to get him to bed because if he doesn't sleep he doesn't eat properly that's a

00:49:43.860 cascading problem my wife is losing her mind right but so but then i'd say that to women they'd be 0.99

00:49:48.760 like oh oh oh my like don't make that fucking face don't make assumptions because every kid's 0.99

00:49:54.760 fucking different like some our our kid just didn't sleep that much until we trained him to 0.99

00:49:59.200 and now he sleeps fine now everything's fucking perfect but when i'm talking to people like 0.99

00:50:03.700 unless their kid is like puking blood or something the vast majority things that parents complain 0.99

00:50:09.820 about the correct response and probably the response the parent wants is like damn that 0.98

00:50:15.200 sucks i'm glad i'm not you don't worry it'll be over soon that's like the correct response 0.98

00:50:21.920 not like oh my oh my god is she gonna be okay have you seen a specialist oh my god there's 0.72

00:50:27.600 so many people who have said that and i know how to ignore that most young mothers don't know how 0.99

00:50:34.500 to ignore that like oh my god what i'm like no no they're full of shit they don't know what 1.00

00:50:38.200 they're talking about you're hearing that from uh like every you always assume boomer women 1.00

00:50:42.940 our mothers maybe they're not maybe it's just like an old single bitch yeah you know i mean i always 0.94

00:50:48.140 say that but maybe we said this on an old episode i'm like there's this sort of automatic wisdom and 1.00

00:50:52.500 reverence that comes with being an elder i'm like oh no they could have just been an idiot their 1.00

00:50:57.720 whole lives and now they're just old yeah you know maybe they don't have wisdom maybe they're just 1.00

00:51:02.700 like every think of that single train wreck bitch that you know everyone knows one now imagine her 1.00

00:51:09.380 just as old that's her and now you're taking advice from her about a baby no you wouldn't 1.00

00:51:15.020 take advice you wouldn't ask her to drive you for your driving test you wouldn't ask her 1.00

00:51:19.960 to fucking look after your shoes yeah you wouldn't steal a car yeah you wouldn't download a dumb 1.00

00:51:27.560 bitch dear citizen you wouldn't download a dumb bitch would you don't download that jack white 1.00

00:51:40.780 album because he's a fag don't don't and by the way don't listen to jack white talk that guy is 1.00

00:51:50.980 going to make you want to kill whites damn maybe that's what the black lives matter really movement 1.00

00:51:58.120 really was all that that fucking rioting when they're saying they hate white people they mean 1.00

00:52:02.720 they hate jack and meg white that's actually just a big misunderstanding don't worry we hate them too 1.00

00:52:08.340 they hate the the white the people who are white they thought yeah white people like the white 0.99

00:52:12.800 family this is all a big misunderstanding we just solved race relations guys 0.97

00:52:19.400 you always think like you know when i don't want to bore people with kid to talk but there was this

00:52:27.380 discussion that was uh started by you know the great john tally yeah in the chat i forget how

00:52:34.380 it came up but and this is going to sound very stupid but we were talking about the simpsons

00:52:39.220 and this was a very serious simpsons conversation and i recorded many almost a mini podcast on the 0.71

00:52:46.800 topic of lisa simpson cut my life into pieces this is my last resort but it was about he had

00:52:54.740 triggered it by saying you know when did you remember when that lisa simpson became the bad

00:53:00.220 guy or was the bad guy of the simpsons and i haven't watched the simpsons in a long time and

00:53:04.480 you i don't think you've ever really watched it have you yeah i think i've seen clips i'm sure

00:53:09.300 i'm sure i've seen the best parts i think i'm we're gonna do this i think maybe we'll do a

00:53:14.300 haywall thing we're gonna go through the simpsons with you because there's actually a lot of good

00:53:19.200 stuff in there um but you know there was this clip that someone had from a recent episode

00:53:23.880 it was guest starring billy eilish for what reason she's there i'm not sure but she's talking to lisa

00:53:30.060 simpson and that billy eilish is asking like oh does your dad support your music because lisa

00:53:36.920 plays the saxophone my parents really support me in my career is your dad supportive of you

00:53:43.100 If you give him enough beer and a pair of earplugs and then tell him that he can be in another room, no.

00:53:51.800 Within the lore of the show, Homer, her father, is the one who bought her the saxophone and encouraged her to her entire young life because she had a passion for the saxophone and he was in love with the music that she played.

00:54:04.900 So, like, you just retroactively ruin that.

00:54:07.860 And there's a couple of things that I wanted to say.

00:54:10.860 I'll start with, I'll start with the one that really grinded my gears, which is that they completely robbed.

00:54:18.620 And again, this is in the context of a cartoon, right? 0.99

00:54:20.820 Who gives a shit? 0.97

00:54:21.740 Well, me, because it's a very popular cartoon and it was very significant for people who were my age and younger because people didn't used to watch too many different shows. 0.99

00:54:33.760 You know, my memory of growing up was there was a period where everyone was watching the X-Files.

00:54:39.880 like there weren't that many channels you had fox and you had a few others and then everyone was

00:54:46.080 watching the simpsons everyone was watching like a it wasn't just like everyone's watching johnny

00:54:49.980 carson or something but there's like a selection and it seemed like everyone was watching or was

00:54:55.080 exposed to the simpsons so it kind of set the standard for a lot of people's knowledge of that

00:55:01.840 sort of show and and it was a family dynamic that seemed real ish at least yeah and the relationship

00:55:08.260 between homer and lisa i thought was an important dynamic that doesn't get explored a lot in popular

00:55:15.760 culture or media and that's the father-daughter relationship now we're aware of like the

00:55:21.040 mother-daughter or the mother-son but to to have a positive example of a father-daughter

00:55:26.620 relationship where it's showing the father as nurturing in a very masculine way because men

00:55:33.280 often get dismissed for not being nurtured at least not in the way that mothers are men are

00:55:38.140 it's just not in a very feminine way and especially in a society geared towards feminization you know

00:55:45.100 you want to almost exclude anything that's male but you know the way men especially with their

00:55:51.020 daughters are nurturing is they'll take on a mentorship role and if you see your daughter

00:55:55.620 is developing a skill or a passion or a hobby or they're like a tool you want to say i'll get you

00:56:01.100 that tool i'll help you master that tool in a way that a mother usually doesn't you know the

00:56:06.120 relationship between the mother and the kids is different with the father it's like so this was

00:56:09.480 an example of like look you you like the saxophone i want to get it for you and i'm going to support

00:56:13.700 you and i'm going to make sure we we train so that you're good at it and so they completely

00:56:19.820 destroyed that not only did they destroy that they made lisa simpson again sounds silly simpsons but

00:56:28.160 they made her into a common trope that i've seen all throughout popular media in marvel movies

00:56:35.240 and sitcoms i'll give an example from a sitcom there's a show called parks and recreation

00:56:39.420 an nbc sitcom in the model of the office um and there's parts of it that i like there's parts of

00:56:46.120 that i don't like but it was this character the main character played by amy something i forget

00:56:52.120 her name doesn't matter her name was um Leslie Knope and she's she's like a Lisa Simpson she's

00:56:58.200 a know-it-all she's naive she's like a a girl who asks for extra homework in school and her character

00:57:04.940 was that she often gets herself in over her head or she's naive and trusts the wrong person she 0.66

00:57:10.100 gets into trouble but she needs help out of it sometimes from the males in her life but she

00:57:15.200 means well and she's not dumb she's smart but she's just kind of a know-it-all right um but

00:57:20.400 then at some point they said here what if she wasn't just a know-it-all and egotistical what

00:57:26.060 if she actually did know everything and she was the smartest person in the world and had no flaws 1.00

00:57:31.360 and she was constantly surrounded by stupid men which are tolerated by her because she also 0.99

00:57:38.580 possesses grace you know i mean and that's what lisa became lisa became like you know the best 0.98

00:57:44.300 line of dialogue in the simpsons and i love this because it's such it perfectly portrays

00:57:50.260 her relationship with bart her brother and shows like her as sort of like it's not beating you

00:57:56.440 over the head with that she's like a lib or a progressive but seen as a woman is delivering

00:58:03.680 their mail to the house bark goes hey oh it's the female man and lisa goes it's female carrier

00:58:12.420 i'm like that's it's so perfect like you see her character she's it's it's like a lib a lib 0.94

00:58:23.040 progressive intellectual but it's also dumb because she's a kid but i'm like that's as

00:58:26.880 perfect you get her right there but then you say but what if we take that character and she actually 0.98

00:58:31.100 is just smarter than everyone smarter than her dumb dad and then also she was never ever helped 0.98

00:58:37.100 by her dad everything that she was was just generated from within her like some divine 0.99

00:58:43.640 feminine power she's never coached she's never mentored she's just this island of like feminine 0.99

00:58:50.680 intelligence in an ocean of male stupidity and i see that that character trope all around me now 0.98

00:58:57.400 and i think that's an insane way to raise little girls i'm not saying every little girl is subject 0.99

00:59:02.320 to this but i'm like you had a good thing with like showing in popular culture of father-daughter

00:59:08.840 dynamic that i don't think that's allowed to exist anymore and just to tie this to what we're just

00:59:14.760 talking about like i see as a young father even though i have a son maybe have a daughter one day

00:59:19.180 and this is something that i think about a lot like what relationships between like what role

00:59:24.640 does the father have it seems that it's only portrayed as this like hostile force anyway

00:59:31.160 that's just maybe that's a bit of a rabble what do you think you're a father to daughter so what

00:59:35.540 you think about that no no that's reasonable it's one of the things that i that i worry about like i 0.93

00:59:39.760 think um i think that it it's it's easy to even out all of the bullshit in society when you're

00:59:52.200 a parent and just say well i'm going to protect my kids from that stuff and then as long as i

00:59:58.400 protect them and insulate from them from it you won't have to worry about it but i think with

01:00:02.680 sons the problems that beset boys now are more easily solved because they are attacking the boy

01:00:13.080 and driving the boy away and it's i think it's probably easier for a father to come in

01:00:19.480 if you have a son and pick the son up and help him and actually you can use that as a moment to

01:00:27.080 build more of a bond and to teach but i think with daughters it's the opposite i think the way the

01:00:33.140 world works now the way that they damage women is by driving a wedge between them and their fathers

01:00:37.580 and between them and men and that is something that i'm worried about it's like okay i can only

01:00:42.760 protect her so much i'm not even that worried about protecting her from boys boys are all

01:00:47.480 neutered and harmless you know what i mean like if i have a public school i'm not worried about

01:00:51.380 her getting raped i'm worried about what she's hearing from her blue-haired 22 year old teacher

01:00:56.480 in grade four that's what i'm worried about right um i'm worried about that more than they're being 0.98

01:01:01.680 honestly i'm worried about that more than they're being brown and black kids in her class at that

01:01:05.500 age i'm much more worried about the actual school staff teaching her things like if she's going to

01:01:11.480 go in there and and say some silly thing one day because she heard me say because i say all kinds 0.99

01:01:16.340 of crazy shit she's like well my daddy says this and then the teacher's like well your daddy is 0.99

01:01:21.060 clearly a blah blah blah it's like well i'm not there to defend myself and then you're saying 1.00

01:01:25.700 that to my daughter about me yeah so and you can't tell her like not believe what she hears in school

01:01:31.120 you're creating too many they can't wrap their heads around like having different personalities

01:01:36.180 and different circumstances yeah like you just what you have to tell them like tell the truth 0.98

01:01:40.720 it's hard enough to get kids to tell the fucking truth because they're just figuring out lying for 0.95

01:01:45.200 the first time my solution current solution is they don't go to school girls don't need to go 0.99

01:01:50.180 to school that's a good day look and and like the relationship you just described is perfectly 0.71

01:01:58.000 exemplified in that simpsons scene where she's talking to billy eilish some weird older slut 0.92

01:02:05.480 who's like just like oh yeah your dad and yeah like that this is how like witches and weird 1.00

01:02:14.100 horrors propagate they get their and lesbians too lesbians and witches they propagate themselves by 1.00

01:02:20.680 getting their hooks into young girls and like getting in their fucking minds so the idea of 1.00

01:02:26.380 like you know your daughter speaking to like an older like woman with like weird fucking ideas 0.99

01:02:31.780 this is why we don't like the trans things like why do you want to talk to kids so much like be 0.98

01:02:36.400 wary of any adult period that wants to like share new ideas with your kid you know i mean like even

01:02:42.900 when i was in school it's like oh i've got a teacher who's who's got like all kinds of weird

01:02:47.360 new ideas you know even if i if i'm a parent now and i hear that oh there's a substitute

01:02:52.280 who's talking about like european films i'm like okay who's this guy what's he doing what's he up 0.91

01:02:57.500 to yeah i don't like why do you not have friends to talk about your weird fucking movies with why 0.92

01:03:03.640 are you talking to kids about this no one like i love david lynch no kid needs to know about david 1.00

01:03:09.180 lynch an eight-year-old you're talking about eraser head go fuck yourself yeah yeah i agree 1.00

01:03:14.340 how many substitute teachers are just weird men without friends 1.00

01:03:19.160 you guys you could you guys are gonna love this next episode though just wait i'm gonna okay no

01:03:26.180 i'm not gonna ruin it no just watch just watch and he keeps pausing it's like okay so what do

01:03:29.720 he means with just like a guy from class see the thing about 24 is become self-aware halfway through

01:03:36.740 like it's it's not just jengenistic it's not just xenophobic it's actually a critique on the

01:03:42.440 american system it's funny because we actually we actually do know someone kind of like that

01:03:47.960 i'm thinking back i think we had public school teachers who were that guy and i'm like oh

01:03:52.340 because the thing is as a as a 12 year old boy it's like oh wow we get to watch an actual cool

01:03:58.020 show yeah and we got a certain certain art teachers and stuff who were like just wanted

01:04:04.460 to talk about like to get us into robert crumb but no one no one should be in a robert crumb 0.84

01:04:10.780 especially not children he's just a weird old fetish guy why the fuck are you talking about 0.98

01:04:17.380 this to teens that guy by the way they never fired him he retired with a full pension 0.98

01:04:23.480 just so you know i know the guy you're talking about yeah he's fine and he still lives in a

01:04:28.760 trailer park this is with his like records is the one of this type of record acting like the 0.97

01:04:38.400 only print of a record means it's good maybe no one bought it because it's evil because it sucks

01:04:43.060 like speaking of which i just wanted to move on to the next week we've been all over the 0.98

01:04:50.040 fucking map yes sir i came across these two memes that i just i really really really really 0.57

01:04:56.280 want to talk about because i really really like these memes did you see the chud kant memes 0.98

01:05:02.860 emmanuel kant emmanuel kant chud memes the philosopher okay so these are you know the

01:05:11.440 soy jack memes right yeah they're depicting excerpts from uh the life and factoids about

01:05:18.660 the famous philosopher uh german philosopher emmanuel kant i got them in front of me so i'm

01:05:24.200 going to read them okay and i'm going to share them so these are facts about emmanuel kant

01:05:29.300 kant died a virgin and avoided masturbation his entire life the story of how kant is just this

01:05:38.480 is like a green text describing what it was the story of how kant demanded to be tucked in at 0.69

01:05:43.940 night is often heard of as his way of staving off the urge to masturbate and be tucked in right

01:05:50.000 what is not told is just how awkward kant would make this for his servants he had servants right 0.52

01:05:56.240 being virtually perpetually horny and actually monstrously hung kant would get in quick get

01:06:04.760 into his jammies really quick and get under the covers and call to his servants oh oh no tuck me

01:06:11.580 in the circus is coming quick and you know what i mean by circus right uh yes mr kant

01:06:19.880 and then basically he's saying that he's got 0.98

01:06:22.320 this huge erection pitching 0.99

01:06:24.180 a tent in the blankets 0.99

01:06:25.920 and he must

01:06:26.860 and he has to be tucked in

01:06:30.160 quick before

01:06:31.440 so James

01:06:33.640 James would be made to tuck 0.99

01:06:36.000 Kant into bed while a massive erection 0.99

01:06:38.040 formed supposedly 10 inches 0.96

01:06:40.100 plus and Kant would

01:06:41.940 stare at James the entire time and

01:06:43.900 breathe really heavy muttering

01:06:46.100 inaudible sometimes punctuated by

01:06:48.120 circus with a big pleasant

01:06:50.240 smile on his face

01:06:51.260 the tuck in duties were supposedly

01:06:54.480 rotated weekly by Kant's staff

01:06:56.440 but all of them have given similar

01:06:58.440 accounts

01:06:59.060 Jesus Christ 1.00

01:07:01.180 like what a piece of shit 1.00

01:07:03.480 like every night 1.00

01:07:05.860 like hurry hurry tuck me in

01:07:07.680 the circus 1.00

01:07:09.120 what an absolute piece of shit 1.00

01:07:12.140 what an asshole 1.00

01:07:13.400 are we gonna can we discount 1.00

01:07:15.820 can we discount I mean

01:07:17.920 can we discount can we discount him yeah i'm not done here i got one more i'm fiending for more

01:07:26.980 if anyone's got more of these and it's illustrated with like soy jack memes and stuff

01:07:33.120 here's one emmanuel kant uh drank a lot of coffee when he didn't have a cup for a while

01:07:40.120 he became distraught and would cry at his table they're crying i'm drowning i'm drowning

01:07:45.800 this was a sign for his servants

01:07:48.500 to bring him a new cup of coffee

01:07:50.160 molto pronto

01:07:51.500 when he saw it arriving he would cry

01:07:54.120 land my dear friends I see

01:07:56.380 land 1.00

01:07:57.060 what a fucking faggot 1.00

01:08:00.080 he's such a faggot 1.00

01:08:00.860 oh I hate him so much 1.00

01:08:03.780 help I'm drowning 0.97

01:08:06.200 okay I thought Germans were supposed

01:08:08.480 to be cool what happened

01:08:09.840 yes

01:08:10.780 I think Germany

01:08:13.840 might be over

01:08:15.180 a couple of canadians just found out about kant so i'm sorry but it's now over

01:08:22.200 for germany we just i just found out about kant being horny and germany's just been deleted

01:08:29.880 this reminded me of an article that i was uh shown recently and i didn't really read it

01:08:39.700 but um it's a sub stack from the intrinsic perspective and uh the title written by eric

01:08:48.400 hole uh the title is why we stopped making einsteins why don't we have einsteins anymore

01:08:54.600 why don't we make them the subtitle is aristocratic tutoring one explaining the decline of genius

01:09:02.500 and there's this idea and you see this a lot with older intellectuals once you read about a lot of

01:09:10.060 great philosophers even a lot of the great writers of many many generations ago you'll hear

01:09:16.880 like you're like what do they do for work it's like well they didn't work they had patrons

01:09:21.480 they just had someone who would be supporting them their entire life or they were from well-to-do

01:09:29.580 families and they were just they were given all this expansive tutoring due to their place in

01:09:36.560 society so that just really rang a bell in my mind by thinking that oh you know a lot of the great

01:09:41.880 minds that we know of were allowed to flourish because they didn't really need to worry about

01:09:48.920 you know where money was coming from um and arguably maybe they would never produce any

01:09:55.260 of this work if they actually had to you know this is a very blue collar sounding point i'm 0.51

01:09:59.180 making but for a lot of us like the idea of just being able to fuck around and write for years

01:10:05.280 is such a foreign concept right and like the closest that they can come is like oh you're

01:10:12.300 supported by your mom it's like no no you would have your own apartment you would have just like 0.61

01:10:15.760 a rich guy who's like i'll support you your whole fucking life in almost a dickensian way 0.92

01:10:20.160 and and there's um a whole i'm just going to read the the post that was about it it says 0.95

01:10:27.800 here's some pull quotes from it um geniuses of the past were aristocratically tutored

01:10:34.320 um and here's what's interesting it says aristocratic tutoring was not focused on

01:10:39.780 measurables historically it usually involved a paid adult tutor who was an expert in their field

01:10:45.360 spending significant time with a young child or teenager instructing them but also engaging them

01:10:51.140 in discussions often a live in a live-in capacity fostering both knowledge but also engagement with

01:10:57.640 intellectual subjects and fields as the name suggests it was something reserved mostly for

01:11:03.060 aristocrats which means no way around it it was deeply inequitable it's a tradition that goes

01:11:09.260 back as far as one can find for example consider one of the greatest statesmen of all time and how

01:11:15.300 one of the few true philosopher kings the roman emperor marcus aurelius wish they would have found

01:11:20.160 a more recent example but whatever if genius were just a matter of genetic ability then in the past

01:11:25.500 century as the world's population increased dramatically and as mass education skyrocketed

01:11:32.000 and as racial and gender barriers came thundering down across the globe we should have seen a genius

01:11:39.220 boom and effervescence of the best mathematicians the greatest scientists the most awe-inspiring

01:11:45.740 artists so but we haven't have we like we really don't see maybe there's it's comparable but it

01:11:53.340 doesn't seem that it scales with the amount of progress we've made in these fields it's making

01:12:00.180 a point here that aristocratic tutoring blows away other teaching methods and in addition to decent

01:12:05.160 genes is critical to creating productive genius as we can see the the number of productive geniuses

01:12:12.260 has plummeted in recent decades despite a boom of population but are human experts needed for

01:12:18.420 aristocratic tutoring. And this is where AI teaching comes in. And I think this is where

01:12:23.820 the post is really going. It's like essentially just chatting with a super smart AI, both you

01:12:30.660 efficiently targeting your questions and efficiently targeting its answers in ways

01:12:34.860 that previously tools simply could not do. So it's reintroducing this idea that maybe

01:12:39.940 the way to foster genius in the youth would be to get something like aristocratic tutoring through

01:12:47.880 ai now what you would need is highly advanced ai because there's the limitations placed on the ai

01:12:55.780 that i've been dealing with is really frustrating like we test out ai chatbots all the time in some

01:13:01.880 of these groups that i'm in and oftentimes they make mistakes like they're just not very good

01:13:06.800 you ask them questions and it gives shit answers it's just like it pulls up a wikipedia and

01:13:12.080 rephrases it right so you would need like an ai that's designed for engaging with not only a mind 0.96

01:13:19.400 but a young mind to try and develop it and encourage problem solving and ask it questions

01:13:25.100 back to the kid and things like that however that seems like an interesting idea now first do you

01:13:30.860 accept the premise of that and second what do you think about that absolutely but i think ai is a 0.92

01:13:37.260 stupid solution but i but i agree i totally agree that the education system probably does more harm

01:13:42.920 than good and that one-on-one tutoring i don't think it's just having a more consistent uh like 0.98

01:13:50.720 a focused education on one kid that's part of it but it's definitely also it coming from a person

01:13:58.860 if you want that person to go out and interact with robots for the rest of their lives fine let

01:14:04.100 it be an AI but what you want you want to create genius you need to start with the material of

01:14:09.880 genius you need to start with a grown man who is a well-respected academic in his field and then

01:14:16.180 you're mapping not just the information but the mannerisms and the way he carries himself and the

01:14:21.760 way he responds to questions and the way that he has an attitude of inquiry or of disdain or

01:14:27.460 whatever all of that is also mapped onto the child so it's the same thing as with parenting like

01:14:32.860 you can't just fucking use technology for all of this well and the funny thing is that i was

01:14:38.760 likening this back to our uh emmanuel kant example because there we see an example of what happens 0.90

01:14:45.960 when genius certainly is allowed too much freedom too many tutors too many servants and just given 0.99

01:14:54.040 free reign now you got a guy who's who's fucking ordering you to like keep his erection under 0.99

01:14:59.920 control and can't stop drinking coffee now just imagine if that was like also with ritalin and 0.99

01:15:05.240 adderall and fucking meth and gooning i mean we don't have to imagine that's like a good chunk

01:15:10.460 of our generation already yeah imagine what would happen with aristocratic tutorship in the era of 0.96

01:15:15.980 gooning none of us are getting out of this alive but but i i do i find that the idea and uh the

01:15:27.220 the concept of ai like it would need to be such an advanced ai because the ai that we have right

01:15:34.240 now that i've been dealing with in some groups that i have is very rudimentary uh essentially

01:15:40.340 just rephrases wikipedia articles but like what you would need from a person is like someone to

01:15:47.560 like ask you questions back to guide you through into a higher way of learning which so like that

01:15:53.960 the ai would need to be designed for that and designed for a young mind this idea that oh we

01:15:58.880 can just make a super intelligent mind it's like no no you need a you need to create a mind that

01:16:03.340 knows how to teach which is very very difficult to do yeah absolutely all right i just wanted to

01:16:10.260 bring people's attention to that because i thought that's an intro that might be something that

01:16:14.400 maybe young people like not maybe not even gen alpha and we're still calling them gen alpha right

01:16:22.020 we haven't changed that i am it's kind of stupid that we we started naming generations like that

01:16:29.140 isn't it i don't think so you got to call them something i don't know about the alphabet alpha

01:16:35.500 beta theta thing or whatever we're going to be doing but i i think you look they're distinct

01:16:41.500 categories that you if you don't want to name them you're essentially saying they aren't distinct

01:16:45.460 categories and there's no point to discussing if you want to discuss it you have you have to

01:16:49.080 accept it they need to be named i'm trying would we accept the claim i'm phrasing this in a dumb

01:16:57.260 way let me think about this what if we just didn't say that they're distinct categories

01:17:03.560 you know what i mean like what like boomers and millennials are identical there's no differences

01:17:07.920 between them it's just like a gradation like there's there's different circumstances but

01:17:12.320 saying like they're a different team oh okay okay i mean okay so if we're talking about like

01:17:16.860 from a phenomenological standpoint that there are differences but looking at it as a spectrum

01:17:23.380 rather than discrete categories yeah but i think that just makes it harder to discuss

01:17:29.200 i think having it like for example color is a spectrum but we don't talk about color as a

01:17:34.560 spectrum we talk about primary secondary and tertiary colors we talk about these like these

01:17:38.880 12 colors you know that's true i don't just because it's easier to grab onto you can't

01:17:44.720 How do you put a name on a spectral range?

01:17:48.280 They can figure out if millennials are being called Gen Y.

01:17:52.860 But then it's like millennials, then it's Gen Z.

01:17:55.240 So they understand that there's Gen X, then millennials, then Gen Z.

01:18:00.120 It's a strange naming convention.

01:18:02.040 And then it just starts over.

01:18:03.980 Rename millennials Uber Kings.

01:18:07.440 That's the new name.

01:18:09.800 It's almost like you need to name them in retrospect or hindsight.

01:18:13.600 You know what I mean?

01:18:13.860 like it doesn't like setting them up with a name like where the silent generation called the silent

01:18:19.940 generation at the start i don't think so i think they decided that part way through because they 0.52

01:18:27.180 weren't fucking saying nothing i guess i wonder how they looked at naming generations prior to

01:18:34.820 the wars because i feel like all of our generations are names that came from the post-war years like 0.97

01:18:41.040 you're like our our recent three generations were named before we were born so they're just xyz or

01:18:46.720 like millennials zoomers whatever which are related to the year of our birth and then the previous

01:18:52.080 generations like the baby boomers right we're and the the silent generation and the great generation

01:18:57.620 like why are they called the great generation well because they won the war okay but i mean

01:19:00.920 you didn't know that when they were born you weren't calling the great generation when like

01:19:05.500 five years before they were born also let's be clear they call themselves the greatest generation 0.68

01:19:11.740 fucking yeah which is annoying they're all dead now so i'm not gonna speak ill but yeah yeah if 0.66

01:19:17.600 they're so great why are they dead come at me jay burden jay burden had the best tweet one of my 0.98

01:19:27.180 all-time favorite tweets it was in response to someone who was hosting a poll on twitter

01:19:32.560 and the question was it was one of those sort of man of sphere type questions and it was

01:19:37.060 would you ever marry a woman that's widowed and has children right yes or no and his response was

01:19:45.220 why would you marry an unlucky woman

01:19:47.620 and i never afraid i said that to my wife and she's like that's i never thought of that like 1.00

01:19:55.260 yeah exactly same thing in christ generation they're so great why are they fucking dead

01:20:00.420 if the greatest should still be here then i guess they're not the greatest i guess the greatest is

01:20:06.460 going to be the first generation that lives forever yes correct the only correct answer

01:20:12.340 but it does seem like you know i'm going to get off into like a weird space with this next thing

01:20:17.980 and i don't want to spend too long in here but it's somewhat related to what we're going to talk

01:20:22.500 about um there is this um again i'm hearkening to this mccluan book that i've been reading and

01:20:29.000 i'm almost done uh understanding media extensions of man and he's talking almost in metaphysical

01:20:35.600 terms about the impact of media and language it's really interesting stuff but he's talking about

01:20:41.200 how like the birth of numbers kind of came out of this idea of physical discreteness like the idea

01:20:49.480 that things aren't free flowing that you can segment things and the entire he's talking about

01:20:55.640 the advent of time not time as in space time as a fourth dimension but time is something you measure

01:21:02.880 with a clock because our modern conceptualization of time with a clock is far different than how

01:21:08.280 the ancients perceive time um and the clock kind of gave birth this idea that that there's things

01:21:15.820 that happen between two points in time like it kind of changed like here's the the firm lines

01:21:22.820 of time and things exist between these and we mark them so it's almost like like the measurement of

01:21:29.940 time in in a utilitarian way right so and that's a completely new way to not only conceptualize

01:21:38.080 time but your relationship with it as like time as containers of events discrete containers of

01:21:44.860 things that happen and the same thing with generations like prior to the post the post

01:21:50.500 war years because this kind of started seemingly with the greatest generation were they doing this

01:21:55.460 in the 17 or 1600s no but maybe there's something distinct and and and relevant to the modern

01:22:05.700 experience in the 20th century that the fact that we have these firm borders between generations

01:22:12.360 is like the advent of the clock the stopwatch because before that everything was free every

01:22:18.600 generation flowed into the next right just like time flowed and everything flowed everything was

01:22:24.140 holistic but the fact that we segment things so well defined i think there's something there

01:22:31.100 there's something interesting there and the fact that as the generations go on we've created

01:22:36.200 sub segmentations like we have the zillennial and we have the gen x millennial like i'm not a gen

01:22:43.780 xer i'm kind of in this in-between space between gen x and millennial like so we've got subgroups

01:22:48.100 and then subgroups within subgroups,

01:22:49.460 and we're segmenting our own generations more and more

01:22:52.280 as the generations go on.

01:22:53.760 I remember feeling that too,

01:22:54.980 because you and I, our age bracket,

01:22:57.120 like we got John Talley in the chat, right?

01:22:58.620 Who's like a fairly young Gen Xer.

01:23:01.260 And we're only a couple of years out

01:23:04.320 from being Gen X ourselves.

01:23:06.140 So we have more in common with somebody who's like 42

01:23:09.880 than we do with somebody who's 27 or 24, right?

01:23:14.480 But that 20, I don't know the exact age,

01:23:16.720 but say like a 25 year old,

01:23:17.860 technically is a millennial but it's like i have nothing in common with a current 25 year old

01:23:22.000 um and likewise i'm sure a guy right now is 42 has nothing in common with a guy who's

01:23:26.580 uh 62 who's also gen x technically so yeah it's there should be a spectrum you know i was going

01:23:34.300 to say i wonder if prior to these district discrete generational distinctions the way

01:23:39.900 that people talked about it without forming discrete categories was like the the you know 1.00

01:23:46.060 bitches born between 1992 only know how to eat hot chip and lie yeah that type you know what i 1.00

01:23:51.080 mean like you form your you form your own little division conversationally which allows you to talk 1.00

01:23:56.960 about this because these are all real phenomena which are important socially so people have

01:24:00.380 probably always talked about it but without having a discrete category you have to be like 0.89

01:24:04.800 bitches born before 1922 yeah well the funny thing is like you would always have kids and teenagers 0.83

01:24:11.320 and parents and elders you would always have that snapshot so in that sense all through time there 0.95

01:24:18.240 was like the elders and then the youth and their relationship would be probably similar across

01:24:24.400 different cultures um you know i mean and teenagers always had a similar sort of relationship

01:24:29.260 to elders as well so it's like you always had old people young people but it's whether or not

01:24:33.760 this type of old person is a different category than this other earlier type of old person those

01:24:40.160 are the discussions that we get into right now whereas in the past they might have said all old

01:24:44.860 people are kind of the same you know old you go back to the bronze age there's like old people

01:24:49.080 back then were probably the same type of guy from the 1200s or whatever they or they might have

01:24:54.060 believed that or they actually they wouldn't have thought about like qualitatively different

01:25:00.020 brands of seniors you know i mean like i think that's that's interesting to think about and i'm

01:25:06.280 saying that we need to change that's just a phenomena that we live with and that's just you

01:25:12.360 know a manifestation of the times and i think i i just see that progressing in the same direction

01:25:18.280 of like the time frames getting smaller and smaller and smaller until it's like

01:25:22.120 like quarters of generations that are so like distinct due to the amplification of technology

01:25:29.480 all right so i don't know if i was going to talk about this one

01:25:33.480 sub stack that i had read because it was going to relate a little bit you know i'll just talk

01:25:39.640 about briefly because it relates to the main thing i want to talk about uh so this is a sub stack

01:25:45.240 that i found written by an individual who i'm familiar with called wrath of gnon and that's a

01:25:53.160 wrath of g-n-o-n wrath of non just dot sub stack dot com the article is titled the human scale

01:26:01.640 Subtitle is Defining the Human Scale as it Relates to Towns and Cities.

01:26:05.240 Part one.

01:26:05.760 There's three parts.

01:26:06.800 Ooh, nice.

01:26:07.460 Very interesting series.

01:26:09.400 But basically, I wanted to bring this to your attention because it relates to something that we've talked about on the show before and we talk about in our spheres, which is other people might know it as the 15-minute city.

01:26:22.420 The idea of the optimal size of a town or community or living situation, which is sort of like the antithesis to the suburb, the antithesis to a place you live that requires a car to get from point A to point B.

01:26:38.280 And the reason I thought this was interesting is because we typically know this as the 15-minute city, and it's described as like a measure of time.

01:26:49.020 But it's more than just that.

01:26:50.560 it's not just how long it takes to get somewhere um and and he lays it out here about like what is

01:26:57.140 the ideal human scale what's the ideal human group and how does that function because i think that's

01:27:03.060 the right way to look at it when he asks questions about it's not just how it's designed in utilitarian

01:27:08.480 way it's like what what do you want the humans to be able to do knowing that humans live here

01:27:14.200 and he's got just a couple parts here um one's called the horizontal human scale

01:27:20.740 um he says a human scale town is one where you can live almost your entire life within a walking

01:27:27.020 distance a human in a human scale town work rest play pray essentially all everyday tasks

01:27:33.100 happen within a radius that the average person will easily and happily be able to walk on foot

01:27:37.420 the radius is usually given to 10 or 15 minutes depending on who you ask

01:27:41.340 however the term human scaled is not exclusionary you can have a human scaled town and still have

01:27:49.220 access to cars trucks and public transit like in central tokyo sometimes relatively smoothly like

01:27:55.920 tokyo sometimes relatively unhappily so like damascus or amman in jordan having a human scale

01:28:02.720 is important but it does not guarantee a good place to live and that's what you mentioned that

01:28:08.820 and i don't think that's in the conversation that's like we assume that a human-scale town

01:28:12.340 will that will just or the 15-minute city will it will just you know that'll make people live

01:28:17.840 happier it's like no no there's just terrible towns and also there's towns where people have

01:28:21.880 cars and trucks 15-minute cities like it doesn't mean that it's like a car exclusionary zone you

01:28:27.700 know what i mean because that's how some people think about it like it's an anti-car place but 0.94

01:28:32.520 it's like no no you could have smaller human-scale towns that are full of fucking trucks it's just 0.87

01:28:38.120 you know within reason but he also talks about something here which is the vertical human scale 0.97

01:28:42.780 and he says the human scale applies to the vertical as well as the horizontal

01:28:46.760 um this the ideal human scale puts a limit on the verticality of buildings um he says once again the

01:28:56.520 human scale is not exclusionary you could have a scaled town with just two-story buildings like

01:29:01.240 he's saying that what we tend to do is build like horizontally 50 minutes so you could have these

01:29:05.180 really tall apartment buildings and skyscrapers and he's like well that's this that's the same

01:29:09.640 problem because it requires elevators and like especially if it's a very tall building

01:29:14.940 he said you know no building ideally should be taller than it is comfortably to walk up all the

01:29:22.780 stairs on a regular basis now what do you think about that well i've lived that um and that was

01:29:29.540 one of the culture shocks from coming coming back from hong kong which is that in hong kong they

01:29:34.480 call them wedding cakes which is kind of a funny thing but they have they build these buildings

01:29:39.560 that the first two floors are wide and flat and it's like infrastructure public transportation

01:29:45.240 power generation and then above that from like four floors four to seven is like commercial

01:29:50.180 offices medical offices schools retail malls parks and then the the final 30 40 floors is just

01:29:58.760 apartment buildings and it's funny because people there criticize it because it's like it's so bland

01:30:03.660 that i'm always stuck in the same place and i never get to go out anywhere and it's like you

01:30:07.800 don't fucking know how nice this is compared to other places like we would go we would go down

01:30:14.680 our our elevator like i get the whole thing about like you don't want to rely on elevators but that 0.95

01:30:18.780 seems like auspicious argument like i don't know where how that argument belongs in this conversation

01:30:24.520 when you're talking about like urban development for the future we're assuming there's always going

01:30:28.720 to be electricity and maintenance right so if you have the elevators i go down and this is my

01:30:33.460 experience, I go down the elevator in the morning and as the minute when I exit my elevator door,

01:30:37.780 I am not on a busy thoroughfare. I am on a beautifully maintained garden and park with

01:30:44.120 other families. And I walk about 20 meters and there's, and then there's a wide staircase that

01:30:50.960 goes down two floors or also an elevator beside it, but I usually take the stairs. And when that

01:30:56.000 takes me down into a public plaza in a square, which is surrounded by retail and schools.

01:31:01.660 and then if i walk past behind the school there is another set of stairs that goes down even further

01:31:07.920 and that goes to street level where i can get a bus or get on the subway i lived like that for

01:31:12.520 like 10 years it is fucking amazing man it's actually excellent and that's why i'm kind of

01:31:17.960 torn about all this like anti 15 minutes at like serious and the whole time i was there i didn't 0.84

01:31:22.600 own a car because i didn't need a car because everything that i have is is so close that not

01:31:28.120 only can i walk there i can walk there holding a toddler in my arm and then walk back up so but

01:31:33.800 it's all elevators it's all it's that was extremely vertical this is literally one building like it's

01:31:39.220 one city block that's perfect so you've actually lived this so you would be a very valuable insight

01:31:45.120 in this would you say that you mentioned previously that's a lot of people would complain about that

01:31:50.560 was that a common occurrence it's a common complaint but a lot of complaints and this is

01:31:55.640 a thing that i've i've left with after living there most complaints of hong kong people are 0.99

01:32:01.220 like white people problems except it's hong kong people problems they're complaining about shit 0.98

01:32:05.780 because they have a they have a television formed impression of what westerners lives are like they 0.99

01:32:15.180 think all westerners live in like beautiful suburban homes with manicured lawns and they

01:32:21.280 all go to the yacht club it's like no you don't get it suburbs actual american suburbs are

01:32:26.580 hellscapes because like for the reasons that we're talking about here you take for granted

01:32:32.000 that you your kids you're the school for your kids is farther away vertically than it is

01:32:38.340 horizontally so when your kids get out of the elevator each morning they walk to school for

01:32:44.100 three minutes and the distance that they're walking the only other people in that zone

01:32:49.500 because you're six floors in the air are other kids and families who are your neighbors and you

01:32:54.100 know like it the level of safety and community and efficiency is fucking unreal so but they don't

01:33:03.240 know that to them it's like well i wish i wish i had a porsche it's like look we all wish we had 0.87

01:33:07.640 a fucking porsche but not everybody gets a porsche you should be glad that you have this system 0.92

01:33:12.640 of of medication and education and infrastructure that most of the world doesn't get yeah no it's 1.00

01:33:18.460 you don't understand everyone in the west drives trucks at the taliban drive yes

01:33:24.140 you don't fucking get it we live like lighthouse keepers it's like everyone like watches house 0.97

01:33:33.120 of gucci that's what i want to be no watch the lighthouse that's how we live yeah i take my kids 0.99

01:33:39.120 to daycare and we're happy to find a place that we'd like and it doesn't even bother me that much

01:33:43.500 that I have to drive nine minutes, but I have to put my kids in car seats in an SUV and drive

01:33:50.260 nine minutes at a hundred kilometers per hour on a 400 series highway to get to a daycare so that

01:33:57.480 another person can watch my kids. When we were in Hong Kong, all of that was within not nine

01:34:03.980 minutes drive on a highway, but within three minutes walking distance and not just walking,

01:34:10.000 but it's literally in the same building so like there are no outsiders there are no people here

01:34:15.220 who don't live or work in this building and he makes a point in the article the substack here

01:34:21.400 that's um very close to the live reality of a lot of people which is like look when you got kids if

01:34:26.940 if they don't live within walking distance then you're their chauffeur right for years like they 0.65

01:34:32.460 they just can't just go walk if a it's not safe and b they can't walk on the just fucking side 0.94

01:34:37.320 the road for two hours especially if you have a wife that doesn't drive my wife doesn't drive 0.59

01:34:42.120 this is what's like living a trad life everybody you want to know what's like you know i i've hey

01:34:47.460 no problem with it i enjoy doing it but that means i'm driving everyone everywhere all the time

01:34:51.760 and then her parents when they just don't feel like it you know sometimes like but that's like

01:34:56.460 imagine not having to do that anyway but i i like the fact that he was not only thinking

01:35:01.660 about it quantitatively in terms of walking distance but also qualitatively which is how

01:35:07.540 you look at it which is what is this space used for and you know are we just building vertically

01:35:13.540 for the sake of building vertically whereas it sounds like yours actually makes sense and other

01:35:18.420 places it might not make and also the idea that you can have a 15 minute city or you can have

01:35:23.920 places like this that are filled with the wrong type of people and all of the utilitarian urban 0.94

01:35:30.180 planning you the dream of utilitarian planners doesn't work if it's filled with just shitty 0.89

01:35:35.740 people or shitty culture and you know because we we see that now currently and i like that you gave 0.79

01:35:41.460 examples like look there's quote unquote 15 minute cities all over the middle east too

01:35:46.080 just making something walking distance doesn't make it a good city and i just wanted this sort

01:35:53.560 of leads into the book that i want to talk about um and i'm not going to try and keep you too long

01:35:59.860 because Jesus has a job now.

01:36:01.520 I can't keep him up too late.

01:36:04.260 The book I'm talking about

01:36:06.060 is called Experiences in Groups

01:36:08.600 and Other Papers by Wilfred R. Bion.

01:36:11.960 It's either Bion or Bion.

01:36:13.800 One of those two.

01:36:14.840 This fits snugly with our talk

01:36:18.740 about Empower and Communications, I think,

01:36:21.440 and also some of the stuff

01:36:22.540 we're going to get into

01:36:23.120 in the next few episodes.

01:36:24.880 But speaking about this book

01:36:27.500 is interesting in the wake

01:36:28.900 of speaking about The Therapeutic State by Thomas Zas

01:36:32.660 because this is a book written by a psychologist.

01:36:36.760 This is an account of a psychologist

01:36:39.920 discussing his experiences

01:36:43.260 in dealing with psychiatric groups.

01:36:46.880 And why is this relevant?

01:36:48.020 Why do we care about this?

01:36:48.920 Well, it is actually mentioned in Thomas Zas' book

01:36:55.400 about which was very anti-psychiatry

01:36:58.300 and very critical of psychology even though he is a renowned psychologist the idea was you know

01:37:04.020 this idea of just the individual with mental illness is a fiction right he has this one line

01:37:12.360 that i loved in that book which was you cannot really define a loner or a neurotic hermit because

01:37:21.100 they would say that's a mental illness if you're like a hermit you can't define them without

01:37:25.720 defining the group that they are excluding themselves from that even when you exclude

01:37:31.080 yourself from a group you're still doing that within the context of that group you know what

01:37:36.280 i mean it's it's like the problem is like brilliant because the problem with psychiatry

01:37:41.200 it's always like everyone's just an individual is like no no you always have to look at people

01:37:44.380 within the context of whatever their community or their group is yeah yeah like if somebody comes

01:37:49.060 to you and says i'm eternally oppressed i've been kicked out of 107 countries like well let's talk

01:37:54.280 about those countries exactly well yeah exactly it's like everyone's got even a negative reaction

01:38:00.400 is a reaction and you're within the context of that group still and that's kind of what this is

01:38:04.480 about beyond um he's got an interesting story he's like you know he was one of the few guys who's

01:38:10.200 like i'm gonna look at psychiatry within the context of groups how do people behave in groups

01:38:15.680 how do individuals behave how does the group uh work as this sort of organism what are the

01:38:22.180 commonalities we see because that's how most people behave they behave in the context of

01:38:26.660 whatever their group is maybe it's their class maybe it's their family usually within the context

01:38:31.100 of these groups um the the the it was interesting so he describes um how early in 1948 1948 um the

01:38:43.220 professional committee of the tavistock clinic uh done done done asked him to take therapeutic

01:38:50.340 groups employing this sort of group therapeutic technique. He and others at the Tavistock Clinic

01:38:56.940 were drafted into the Army during World War II and began working on new methods of officer

01:39:02.220 selection, which he termed leaderless groups. He also developed a new approach for helping

01:39:07.700 soldiers with post-traumatic stress, then known as shell shock. At the Northfield Military Hospital,

01:39:13.880 he initiated the first Northfield experiment, in which patients were given responsibility for

01:39:19.500 their own rehabilitation this laid the groundwork for what later became therapeutic communities

01:39:25.100 and he's like i don't know why they wanted me to do this but i did it anyway and he he had some

01:39:30.220 experience uh being commissioned by the army um the american military he was doing early experiments

01:39:36.920 with uh soldiers who were for one reason or another on leave they're in like a mental

01:39:43.780 not an asylum but a play a mental hospital with on within the base because they have various

01:39:49.580 neurotic problems or whatever and his task was like kind of get them in a room and have these

01:39:55.840 group sessions and just see how the groups behave and how they behave in the context of the groups

01:40:00.100 and he learned a lot about this but um i'll just kind of set it up here he says psychology and

01:40:07.240 psychopathology have focused attention on the individual often to the exclusion of the social

01:40:13.000 field of which he's a part the individual is and has always been a member of a group even if his

01:40:19.080 even if his membership of it consists of behaving in such a way that reality is given to the idea

01:40:25.280 that he's not belonged to any group at all the individual is a group animal at war both with

01:40:31.500 the group and with those aspects of his personality that constitute his groupishness

01:40:36.760 um so it's like he's the individual is always at war with what he wants and what the group wants

01:40:42.760 and how you know he's got this great line in here but when you look at people who are like members

01:40:48.080 of a group like a group of seven people he's like it's interesting to notice that people like being

01:40:54.400 in a group because they expect their will to be expressed anonymously by the group like you hope

01:41:01.180 that you can get what you want without having to say anything and it'll just kind of manifest by

01:41:04.660 the group and when it doesn't you kind of get pissed off but you don't know what to do about

01:41:07.980 it so you're always at this like this tension between like you you are aware that you're an

01:41:12.860 individual but you are aware that like the group is an extension of yourself in some respect and

01:41:18.220 there's like this constant sort of gradation there anyway um he says he gathers a group that wants to

01:41:25.100 be taken and discuss group psychology so what he would do it was this funny experiment he would

01:41:30.460 basically he's a psychiatrist they know he's a psychiatrist he gets a group of people who

01:41:35.020 volunteer to just discuss psychology generally and he would kind of sit them in a semi-circle

01:41:41.860 around himself and he wouldn't say anything for the longest time and he would just kind of watch

01:41:47.180 what they do and he would see the dynamics at play where like some people were like expecting

01:41:52.920 him to leave the group and then he they would say like well are you going to do something he's like

01:41:57.280 well what do you want me to do i don't know what i'm doing and like would they get mad would they

01:42:02.080 get frustrated with it and then he would notice that oh they kind of start forming their own group

01:42:07.540 against me or some do but then this other group will actually still want me to be in charge and

01:42:14.520 tell them what to do like they're dependent on me so like the group dynamic depending on who's in it

01:42:19.660 based on the age of the individual or the gender whatever they the groups start to form whether or

01:42:27.060 he does anything at all now that's interesting isn't it and whether or not that he's like an

01:42:31.740 enemy or not he pretends not to know why they are there and states that he can't give them what they

01:42:37.820 want he watches the group dynamics form based on this someone takes charge the presence there was

01:42:43.840 based on you know he'll he'll like say like you know i don't know why you're here you know you

01:42:48.540 tell me why you're here like it was just you you come in here with all these assumptions what do

01:42:51.860 want me to do um and he says he's arrived at a theory of the group as giving evidence of work

01:43:00.500 group functions so he's got these like two types of groups these two like broad categories there's

01:43:06.320 like work groups and basic assumption groups um and the basic assumption groups are kind of the

01:43:13.380 more interesting ones the idea of a basic assumption is that basic assumptions are made

01:43:19.340 involuntarily automatically and inevitably um and that they kind of define the behavior of the group

01:43:26.380 and these are like anxiety fear hate love uh they all exist in the basic assumption group and the

01:43:31.300 basic assumption is like you assume kind of why you're there you're assumed you assume someone

01:43:36.080 must be in charge i'm here someone must be you assume that or you assume that you know someone

01:43:41.560 you're there's certain assumption groups where it's like i have a fight or flight mechanism i

01:43:46.400 either leave or i can fight this person because they're not what i thought they would like

01:43:50.720 basically a dependent group is a group that's driven by emotion and it's driven by anything

01:43:56.880 other than like a goal it is important to emphasize that these types of basic assumptions

01:44:04.400 do not contradict each other on the contrary they can coexist and alternate in the same group

01:44:11.760 The basic assumptions are opposed to change and growth and are always underlying in any work group.

01:44:19.760 When not recognized and untapped, they block the group's ability to think and find solutions to difficulties.

01:44:28.760 Bjorn was categorical in saying that psychotic anxiety and primitive defenses are the ultimate source of all groups' behavior.

01:44:38.760 and so once you have these groups that are kind of gathered and they don't have a purpose and

01:44:44.560 they don't have a direction that's given to them they start to form around really really weird

01:44:50.500 things and we'll kind of get into those now he says for the basic assumption groups he knows

01:44:58.400 there's a few different types of them a few themes that emerge one is a fight or flight group when

01:45:04.380 they're kind of presented with this this reality there's two more types you notice there's the

01:45:09.140 pair bonding group where individuals in the group kind of make friends with each other

01:45:13.740 as couples and sometimes they begin like a romantic relationship and i've you know just

01:45:19.740 anecdotally i've noticed this even in my own workplaces like if i'm at a in a workplace

01:45:23.940 that is in chaos and no one really knows what's going um if anyone's been in an office where this

01:45:29.380 happen or any you know corporation sometimes you like zero in on someone who's like you

01:45:35.820 it's like and that's like us against the rest of the workplace like we're gonna kind of be in

01:45:40.320 cahoots that's an interesting dynamic that forms um and that's why he calls them basic assumptions

01:45:47.260 like i kept seeing this happen so often that i think this is a pattern that we see across maybe

01:45:53.800 all group formations there's the fight or flight or there's like the uh dependency group which is

01:46:00.200 that they become so dependent on authority that they almost can't do anything else rather than

01:46:06.520 seeing the leader as someone with flaws and blind spots like the rest of us this preoccupation is

01:46:11.720 seeing the leader as an all-knowing and always correct oracle of truth and director of action

01:46:17.320 seeing the leader as mighty a team doesn't question their direction or take independent

01:46:21.480 initiative and rather than putting their attention on the work you find them obsessing about how the

01:46:26.200 leader sees things and he says well here's how a group is defined before we keep going like what

01:46:31.080 is a group what do you mean when we talk about a group he says a group is defined by a a common

01:46:35.720 purpose uh whether that be overcoming an enemy or defending and fostering an ideal b a common

01:46:43.080 recognition by members of the group of the boundaries of the group so you know who's a

01:46:47.160 a member and who's not in some way. C, the capacity to absorb new members and lose members without

01:46:55.000 fear of losing group individuality. D, freedom from internal subgroups having rigid boundaries.

01:47:02.080 If a subgroup is present, it can't be centered in any way. E, each individual member is valued

01:47:08.800 for his contribution to the group and has free movement within it. F, the group must have the

01:47:13.720 capacity to face discontent within the group and must have means to cope with the discontent

01:47:19.020 even if that's kind of inelegant and g the minimum size of the group is three two members have

01:47:25.800 personal relationships with three or more there's a change in the quality of the relationships but

01:47:30.400 it can't just be the minimum is three and the maximum is usually around like 12 or something

01:47:36.100 and he makes a point here he says it's not necessary for a number of people to be brought

01:47:41.660 together the individual cannot help being a member of a group even if his membership of it consists

01:47:47.820 in behaving uh the idea that he's not in it at all so even rebels within these kind of group

01:47:53.520 settings we're still part of the group in some way um and in fact uh he says here's a quote he

01:48:00.420 says i have recent memories of a group in which my exclusion had been openly advocated for another

01:48:06.860 another while saying nothing simply ignores my presence and excluding me from the discussion

01:48:12.460 on some occasions the reaction is taking the milder form of suggesting that i have already

01:48:17.840 excluded myself from the group and that i make things difficult by not participating so there's

01:48:22.960 different versions um and he's got a an interesting case i'll get to that when i talk to leadership in

01:48:28.580 a second but he says group members and this is another interesting thing once you study groups

01:48:34.720 and let me just actually start by saying this

01:48:37.340 that I was talking to a good friend of mine

01:48:39.800 named Theron about this

01:48:41.040 because he's really big into this book

01:48:42.720 and there's a lot of people in our circles

01:48:45.680 who really like this book

01:48:46.640 and I like it very much as well

01:48:47.920 but I do wonder

01:48:49.000 because one aspect of the book

01:48:51.500 is that he doesn't give a lot of details

01:48:54.240 because he can't

01:48:55.600 because a lot of the stuff is patient doctor confidentiality

01:48:59.100 he doesn't give names

01:49:00.500 he doesn't give places

01:49:01.460 he'll just speak vaguely about these groups

01:49:04.460 Right. So we actually don't know any of the material circumstances or any of the filtration processes that brought these people there.

01:49:12.660 We kind of know early on that some of these people might be soldiers or they they had to have some interest in psychology.

01:49:19.520 Right. But we don't really know the race. We kind of know the gender sometimes.

01:49:23.400 But, you know, there's this idea that we're talking about how all groups behave.

01:49:28.200 However, whatever you might think of this, he might very well have been filtering for Americans and also white Americans. 0.91

01:49:38.400 So to say that all of these group dynamics would be in, you know, fucking New Guinea Bushmen or, you know, in this North Koreans, who's to say, you know, like there's this really what people do when they take this book. 0.79

01:49:56.340 i'll make the argument as best i can i'll steal a man this argument the argument is that with 0.94

01:50:03.280 these two types of groups there's the dependent group and within there you find religion you find

01:50:09.640 ideology you find authoritarian hero worship you find all that emotional stuff and within the work

01:50:16.820 group of people who are more concerned with getting the job done they make all of that emotional

01:50:21.840 ideological spiritual stuff subservient and all that matters is like the task at hand which means 0.92

01:50:28.020 that ideology emotions belief is just made up bullshit who cares about it that's the argument

01:50:34.760 that they often make um for people who are who want to step outside of ideology and fair enough 0.55

01:50:40.520 however i i do want to bring attention to like we don't know what the filtration or the vetting

01:50:47.180 process was for any of these members other than some of them might have admitted to being mentally

01:50:51.780 unwell but they might have a lot of cultural similarities that you know there might have

01:50:58.800 been certain conflicts that were just accounted for because everyone's already this same race

01:51:03.180 same ethnicity and maybe even from the same geographic area you know i mean so there's a

01:51:08.180 lot of conflicts that might emerge in groups that we were not accounting for in this book you know

01:51:13.000 i mean that's just like a little asterisk i would include um but we'll never know maybe there's a 0.99

01:51:19.120 lot of black people and and fucking american indians we won't know anyway um he's got this 0.99

01:51:25.160 line here group members are always forming an estimate of the attitude of his group towards 1.00

01:51:31.020 himself if one person says something and it goes unchallenged that becomes the opinion of the group

01:51:38.060 even to its members despite this when prompted each individual will deny that the group is ever

01:51:44.600 judging any individual or that they're judging others unless the group is actively disavowing

01:51:49.900 its leader it is in fact following him and this is i actually think that is true um when you're

01:51:56.020 talking about group dynamics like and how you know even though the individual always sees himself

01:52:00.940 at as at odds with the group i think it is true to say that unless you're really going against

01:52:05.840 the group you essentially believe whatever the group says and you know unless a leader is

01:52:11.180 challenged the leader can just assume the position and that's just generally what happens um and he's

01:52:17.840 got an interesting point here and he's talking about one group in particular he's like this group

01:52:21.700 at the moment seems to be led by two absentees who are indicating that there are better ways of

01:52:27.660 spending their time than by engaging in this sort of group at the present session this group was led

01:52:33.480 by one of the members now absent and like their presence is felt still within that group by them

01:52:39.500 not being in that group after previously leading it it's like they can never engage with the group

01:52:45.540 properly ever again so he's just introduced the idea that a leader can still be a leader when

01:52:50.420 they're absent and also like especially if they're absent because their absence is almost like

01:52:55.580 saying the group's not working just like an interesting note that i i thought was cool

01:52:59.800 he says if the group can provide means by which contributions can be made anonymously

01:53:06.220 that the foundations are laid for a successful system of evasion and denial i shall postulate

01:53:12.740 a group mentality as the pool to which the anonymous contributions are made and through

01:53:18.100 which the impulses and desires implicit in those contributions are gratified and i i like that

01:53:24.360 analogy that the a group mentality the group organism is a pool that everyone feeds sort of

01:53:30.940 like their anonymous conference uh contribution which also like like you said before people will

01:53:35.680 always deny that they're judging people and they'll deny that the group is judging them but

01:53:39.640 that's always happening right um and also that they kind of hope that the group does what they

01:53:44.780 want even if they're pretending that they're not really actively a part of it and so like the group

01:53:50.180 takes on this like its own essence in a way and you're connected to it no matter what you do

01:53:55.660 i think that's interesting and also like and this is kind of talk what we were talking about before

01:54:01.200 about like the ideal human orientation or organization or the or the the human scale

01:54:08.500 like what is the ideal human scale it's like it's for something that is designed for human use and

01:54:14.760 i think i don't think we design things for group use i think we design things for individual use

01:54:21.940 that's not the way to design things you have to design things with like the group organism

01:54:26.400 in mind which is actually how that thing that you're describing was built like here's how

01:54:31.300 here's how people groups fit together here's how families fit together that's how communities used

01:54:36.020 to be ran it's like it's how families fit together not like this one guy right which is how everything

01:54:41.940 is designed now he's like group mentality is the unanimous expression of the will of the group

01:54:48.660 contributed to by the individual in ways of which he is unaware influencing him disagreeably whenever

01:54:56.300 he thinks or behaves in a manner at variance with the basic assumptions group culture is a function

01:55:03.280 of the conflict between the individual's desires and the group mentality and i thought that was

01:55:09.120 kind of a cool way of phrasing it um he's got this idea here called the proto-mental matrix

01:55:16.000 because there's this idea that people kind of behave a certain way when they're in a group

01:55:21.180 but that's not to say that they don't bring anything to the group he says that's what the

01:55:26.660 proto-mental matrix is like bringing your own assumptions bringing your own emotions bringing

01:55:30.580 your own preconceived ideas he says it's from this matrix of emotions proper to the basic

01:55:37.120 assumptions that flow to so the basic assumptions like reinforce pervade and dominate the mental

01:55:42.840 life of the group in my opinion the uh sphere of proto-mental events cannot be understood

01:55:49.080 by reference to the individual alone he's kind of defining a proto-mental event as this sort of

01:55:56.440 synergy between the physical and the mental and so we're and this is kind of what thomas

01:56:02.440 zazz was getting at in the therapeutic state and other older psychologists which is that the idea

01:56:07.160 of just psychological issues don't exist everything is really tied to either the environment or the

01:56:13.780 physical if you can't tie to either then it probably doesn't exist he says his thesis depends

01:56:20.040 on the argument that there's a stage in which the physical and mental are undifferentiated

01:56:25.520 when the disease of these problems and neuroses in the group manifests itself physically like as

01:56:32.380 tuberculosis or something so it's like when you have tuberculosis um there's like a psychological

01:56:37.740 condition that comes with tuberculosis one doesn't really cause the other they're just two things

01:56:44.060 that happen at the same time you know it's not like like syphilis makes you it makes you go mad

01:56:50.460 no it's just that your syphletic mind is occurring in concert with the syphilis um

01:56:57.260 the mental events to which tuberculosis is affiliated are neither cause nor effect

01:57:04.680 they're derivatives and developments from the same proto-mental phenomena uh from as those which

01:57:10.840 tuberculosis arises so he's not trying to make a mental condition subserving to the physical or

01:57:15.980 the physical subserving to the mental he's like they're both two phenomena that kind of happen

01:57:20.260 at the same time he's saying the same thing with psychology of groups like there's certain like

01:57:24.500 physical aspects that are at play here it's not just like free floating ideas and desires

01:57:30.700 which is an interesting way of looking at it and he he comes up with these um basic assumption

01:57:37.760 groups like one is called the dependent group and the dependent group is a group that really

01:57:43.760 becomes reliant on a leader and they look and they cannot exist without being told what to do

01:57:49.760 and sometimes that's him you know and if he says he doesn't know what to do they'll like get mad

01:57:54.280 him but still demand he tell them what to do they're lost without him or they elect their own

01:57:58.380 leader and this is something you'll see kind of often in these situations um he said there's a

01:58:05.320 commonality when he was dealing with mentally ill patients he said um he said there's a close

01:58:12.000 connection between the dependent group and the leadership of the group with the most

01:58:15.640 psychiatrically disordered individual so he found with these groups that they always tended to pick

01:58:22.280 the most insane person to be their leader or the most psychopathic or the most neurotic and he 0.99

01:58:29.780 describes that as what he calls the holiness of idiots um or like the the belief that genius is 1.00

01:58:36.200 akin to madness um he's like this happens so often it's like its own self-contained phenomena 0.99

01:58:42.520 um he says uh uh this belief that genius is akin to madness all indicate the same tendency of the

01:58:49.840 group to choose when left unstructured its most ill member as its leader and that could be seen

01:58:56.200 in a lot of ways like even with like various revolutions like you pick the most radical 0.99

01:59:00.580 person to be the leader well maybe the most radical person is the most fucking insane

01:59:04.860 but they're also the truest believer sometimes but we tend to when we're in a group tilt more 0.85

01:59:12.480 towards the more powerful personality as a form of authority but maybe that powerful personality 0.68

01:59:18.820 is the most insane and unhinged 0.98

01:59:21.620 and the least qualified to lead. 1.00

01:59:24.420 But it just seems to happen.

01:59:26.020 And it happens with, you know,

01:59:27.600 in these psychiatric groups,

01:59:29.300 maybe it happens elsewhere too, right?

01:59:32.000 The most extreme person as the top vanguard.

01:59:37.180 In the search for a leader,

01:59:38.780 the group finds a paranoid schizophrenic

01:59:41.020 or malignant hysteric if possible.

01:59:43.620 Failing either of these, 0.85

01:59:44.800 a psychopathic personality

01:59:46.260 with delinquent trends will do.

01:59:48.040 failing a psychopathic personality it will pick the verbally facile high-grade defective if i

01:59:54.740 leave things to develop many remedies we be proposed revolt against the chosen leader a

01:59:59.680 claim that treatment should be available to all and so on he says oftentimes these reflect

02:00:05.020 responses that we've taken in history to these sorts of individuals um the group is compelled

02:00:11.520 to recognize that the spontaneously chosen leader is seriously disordered or a genius at the same

02:00:18.660 time it is compelled to believe that he is the dependable leader now this can only be done by a

02:00:24.320 series of oscillations from one view to the other if i refuse to intervene as the leader as as the

02:00:31.200 authority in the room and i have tested the situation several times by letting it go very far

02:00:36.200 even too far for safety these oscillations become very rapid the result is that the group can no

02:00:42.660 longer contain the emotional situation which thereupon spreads with explosive violence to

02:00:48.380 other groups until enough groups have been drawn in to absorb the reaction if they come in too

02:00:54.300 slowly or in too small amounts then the oscillation spread to hitherto inert and in the situation is

02:01:00.840 more disagreeable than ever so he's kind of saying he's almost taking a metaphysical approach like

02:01:05.160 okay you have this leader in the group who for whatever reason is the leader and you're always

02:01:09.900 switching between he's insane but he's also a genius right and you're switching between these

02:01:14.480 at the same time which causes kind of a feedback loop now you're searching it almost the group

02:01:20.420 almost wants to expand to include others to neutralize them but if if it spreads too slowly

02:01:25.840 you just get new recruits you need to come into conflict with another group that can like actually

02:01:30.380 neutralize and stop it or if it grows too too slow it spreads like cancer and he's and he's

02:01:36.840 seen this in a clinical setting like he'll just sit back and watch this group develop into this 0.90

02:01:42.100 like fucking runaway beast all around almost this cult of personality and again this is in contrast 0.95

02:01:49.340 to a work group like this is just like people looking they come here looking for order they 0.98

02:01:55.960 are not given order when they're not given order what happens to that group and remember that they

02:02:02.720 cannot not exist in a group the group forms whether or not an individual wants to be in it or not

02:02:09.620 and that i always come back to that fact that the group is just something that happens and that

02:02:15.480 you're either drawn into it or you like leave the room entirely but most people don't most people

02:02:21.340 don't they pick the fight or flight very few people pick flight sometimes they do and the

02:02:26.000 ones that do end up being the leaders of that group sometimes but it's like the idea of the

02:02:29.960 group as like this permanent thing that you can't even exist outside of and that if left unless it

02:02:36.180 has a task at hand to do and it has a goal and a mission this is what happens and he's he sees

02:02:42.600 like microcosms of civilization and society in these small groups um he's like he mentions

02:02:51.960 this guy mcdougall mcdougall's distinction between the simple unorganized group and the

02:02:56.980 organized group seems to me to apply not to two different groups but two states of mind that can

02:03:02.740 be observed to coexist within the same group i attribute great force and influence to the work

02:03:08.180 group which through its concern with reality is compelled to employ methods of science in no

02:03:14.480 matter how rudimentary a form despite the influence of the basic assumptions and sometimes harmony

02:03:19.520 with them it's the work group that triumphs in the long run so he's making the case and this is

02:03:24.560 the case that a lot of people take that you know what as long as you have like a material goal

02:03:30.840 grounded in science and reality you can make all these other basic assumptions and all this other

02:03:37.020 emotional weird shit subservient now whether or not people agree with that you know that's to be

02:03:43.740 debated i think because some people will take what they learned this book and apply it to the 0.98

02:03:49.100 rest of society that anyone who is religious is as deluded as these people in these groups you know

02:03:55.840 i don't think that's accurate but you know they're trying to say like oh as long as you have a 0.96

02:04:01.100 materialist mission we can just step outside of all this other bullshit and all this conflict

02:04:06.160 and all these cults of personalities and religion and spirituality and all of that so when you hear 0.97

02:04:12.040 people bring that up that's usually what they're doing i'm not saying they're wrong or dumb or

02:04:15.760 having the wrong read on the book but that's just like the main message to take from the book

02:04:21.500 if you really like this book um and he gives some clarification here what is a work group

02:04:28.060 he says the demonstration of work group function must include the following uh the development of

02:04:34.300 thought designed for translation into action right uh the theory uh in this instance the need for

02:04:41.980 the theory in which it's based which means like you have the development of a thought we have to

02:04:48.340 take thought and put it into action we have something to do um and we have a theory in how

02:04:53.160 to do it which is like get along with each other um the belief in environmental change as in itself

02:05:00.880 sufficient for cure without any corresponding change to the individual and finally a demonstration

02:05:06.420 of the kind of fact that is believed to be real so it basically is saying that you have to be

02:05:11.060 to do a task to accomplish a mission it must be measurable in the real world it has to be real

02:05:16.100 and you have to have some rules on how to get that done and all your emotions and all your

02:05:21.280 beliefs are subservient to that mission um and he says if the specialized work group cannot or

02:05:29.920 does not cope with the basic assumption phenomena like we've talked about these other groups then

02:05:34.900 the work group functions of the main group are vitiated by the pressure of the basic assumptions

02:05:41.700 um and he says as work group function consists essentially of the translation of thoughts and

02:05:47.860 feelings into behavior which is adapted to reality it is ill adapted to give expression to basic

02:05:54.220 assumptions so he's basically like as long as you're trying to take a thought put an action 0.95

02:05:57.300 and do a thing, all this other shit just won't emerge. Again, not sure. I'm not sure that's 0.98

02:06:02.420 real. I'm not sure that's accurate. And I'm not sure that that wouldn't emerge if you had more

02:06:08.480 conflicting personalities and identities in that group. Again, we might be filtering for people

02:06:14.400 who already kind of get along, right? Like if you have a group that is full of these days, like a

02:06:21.140 white guy a black guy a jew and a muslim it actually might be very very difficult not to

02:06:28.000 fall into basic assumption problems or look for a leader or to put the mission above whatever

02:06:35.420 emotional ideological stuff you have going on within the group right you like it's it almost

02:06:42.540 assumes like you might need to already agree on most things to experience the work group function

02:06:47.520 that's my belief anyway um i welcome anyone to push back on that and he says like all basic

02:06:53.200 assumption groups all basic assumptions include the existence of a leader that's one of the things

02:06:57.460 that make it unique whereas a work group doesn't necessarily need a leader they can cooperate as

02:07:02.940 long as they have the goal but for a basic assumption or an emotional group or an ideological

02:07:07.520 group it needs a leader um and he's got this interesting part here that he spends quite a bit

02:07:13.960 of time on this and i guess i'm just leaving that the end here because i find it interesting but he

02:07:18.120 says um in the pairing group um the leader is essentially non-existent or unborn the leader

02:07:26.700 need not be identified with any individual in the group it need not be a person at all

02:07:31.960 and maybe even identified with an inanimate object and he makes the point it's like you know

02:07:36.480 every one of these groups dependent groups basic assumption groups needs a leader

02:07:40.440 if you don't have a person it can take the form of a law or a book or a constitution and and you

02:07:48.240 know a good example that would be the american constitution the american constitution is in

02:07:53.380 effect linked to the founding fathers the constitution is just a conduit through which

02:07:58.080 you can still follow those leaders that's why it's so powerful that's why you know marxism

02:08:04.700 is so powerful because it still is tied to marx and lenin and these powerful leaders

02:08:09.880 But I liked the way he described that where it's like, you know, any any written rule that has the most profound emotional effect can also just be seen as the extension of a profound leader operating through that rule.

02:08:26.100 But if it's too abstracted, it doesn't work.

02:08:29.680 You know what I mean?

02:08:30.100 Like it's not followed just like the Bible, like a Bible would be another example.

02:08:34.360 Like the Bible isn't extremely tied to the individuals who wrote it. 0.99

02:08:38.500 It's not just a book of fucking rules, right? 0.97

02:08:42.460 He's got one line here. 0.99

02:08:43.640 It says, from his experience of analysis,

02:08:45.860 Freud was able to deduce the significance of two of what I've called specialized work groups,

02:08:51.000 army and church,

02:08:52.120 but did not discuss the specialized work group that attaches most importance to breeding

02:08:56.860 and is therefore most likely to have to deal with the pairing group phenomena

02:09:01.620 that we've been talking about, namely the aristocracy.

02:09:04.380 If the aristocracy were concerned simply with the external reality, its activity would be far more closely resembling the work of a genetics department in a university than it does.

02:09:16.060 But the interest shown in breeding has not the scientific aura we should associate with mental activity directed at external reality.

02:09:23.580 it is a specialized work group split off to deal with pairing group phenomena in much the same way

02:09:29.200 as an army has to deal with the fight or flight phenomena and the church with the dependent group

02:09:34.480 phenomena so the church has to deal with internally the problems of people following

02:09:39.340 like priests that are getting a bit too uppity or something and like every work group has to deal

02:09:46.780 with its own internal basic assumptions in certain ways and he i just like that he pointed to the

02:09:52.040 aristocracy because the aristocracy is like a work group but it's about breeding you know it's to

02:09:56.840 breed the best result and it has to deal with like its basic assumption it's dealing with is like the

02:10:02.860 group pairing or the uh the pair bonding which maybe love gets in the way of good breeding is

02:10:08.760 what he's saying but he's like that that's the conflict between that work group with its mission

02:10:13.360 and its goal i just thought that was kind of a cool example um and anyway that's more or less

02:10:20.620 what he talks about in the book and i hope i i gave it justice but i really do want to just

02:10:24.540 kind of circle back and summarize it about the difference between these two groups there's the

02:10:28.940 work function group or the work group function and the dependent groups and so he's making the

02:10:34.460 case that organizations of individuals can make all of the conflict and ideological problems

02:10:42.640 subservient if they have some if they have a mission that is grounded in reality and can be

02:10:48.280 kind of measured scientifically like and you see this in the army and you see this in institutions

02:10:53.740 that do pull off these group organizational projects um but he is saying that if if if a

02:11:02.300 group groups always form no matter what groups don't necessarily need your voluntary approval

02:11:09.400 or consent to form or for you to be a member of them and if you lack that sort of work function

02:11:15.920 you will fall prey to basic assumptions which is then you'll probably fall to some kind of weird 0.98

02:11:21.940 leader look for authority you'll create all these tensions in there it'll just be a fucking mess and 0.59

02:11:28.360 he's making the claim that it's in these basic assumption phenomenons that we have ideology 0.78

02:11:33.480 emerge religion spirituality all the things that a lot of the materialists don't like and again i

02:11:39.040 don't agree with that but i do think there's some truth in this but also the asterisks that i talked

02:11:47.420 before which was that i think a lot of these experiments may be filtering for people or races

02:11:54.500 or identities or ethnicities or whatever that already are not conflicted in any serious way

02:12:00.500 and if you were try to to try to build a work group with a bunch of conflicting identities i

02:12:07.000 don't think that work group would function very well now what do you think of all that did that

02:12:11.120 make any sense yeah yeah yeah yeah and again these are just his experiences and his experiences

02:12:18.820 very in the mid-20th century looking at groups as if they were an inevitable experience of

02:12:27.260 an inevitable human experience that you cannot actually have an individual unless you talk about

02:12:34.580 that individual in a relation to a group even if they exclude themselves from that group and their

02:12:40.900 relationship with that group almost defines who they are as a person and and there weren't a lot

02:12:46.640 of people talking about that and that was completely antithetical to a lot of psychiatry which is just

02:12:50.540 on a one-on-one individual basis is that you cannot understand people that way you have to

02:12:56.480 understand the individual within the context of the group and here are several examples of context

02:13:03.140 And I still think even if you don't think this explains the entirety of society or the entire outgrowth of civilization, I think you can look at a lot of your workplace, whatever group that you're in and see and survey your own history and find like maybe you've seen these phenomena before about like lack of leadership.

02:13:25.620 what happens when there's lack of leadership

02:13:27.160 what are the actual

02:13:29.460 group dynamics

02:13:30.460 even if you see yourself as

02:13:33.280 separate from it because you're probably not

02:13:35.780 anyway

02:13:36.220 I really really enjoyed this book

02:13:39.820 and anyway I gotta let you go

02:13:41.580 because you gotta work in the morning don't you

02:13:43.240 oh yes I do 1.00

02:13:45.180 fuck 1.00

02:13:45.860 I'll let you go thank you 1.00

02:13:49.380 I'll talk to you soon

02:13:50.280 yeah no worries I'll talk to you soon

02:13:51.720 i am here with a man who's writing i'm a great admirer of um he goes by liquid swan we'll call

02:14:15.360 him swan for the duration of this episode you can find him at liquidswan.substack.com

02:14:21.600 He's also a writer at PraxArky.com.

02:14:24.880 You can find him over on Twitter X at Liquid Swan.

02:14:29.460 So thank you very much for taking the time to sit down with me today, Swan.

02:14:33.680 Thanks for having me.

02:14:35.400 All right.

02:14:35.800 So I'm just going to quickly go through what we were just talking about.

02:14:39.700 For the people listening, there's three articles that I'm going to be referencing for this

02:14:45.020 talk that I would encourage people to read in full on their own on his sub stack.

02:14:49.580 liquidswan.substack.com. The three are Canada in Crisis, Infrastructure Deficits, and Exodus.

02:14:58.400 And Exodus would be the pivotal one for me. And Swan, you said you had delivered this as a speech

02:15:04.820 at a Shieldings event recently. Is that correct? Yes, just this past June in Nashville.

02:15:11.140 And I'd heard from some people that this was a very, very great speech. A lot of people liked it.

02:15:15.480 I hadn't heard it. I'd only just read it. But it's very poetic. And I really enjoy it. And I'll be quoting some parts from it here. But Swan is another Canadian guy. We like to have Canadian guys on here. And these articles pertain to not a debate, but back and forth between myself and my co-host, Judas, on the topic of what is to be done as a Canadian going forward in Canada.

02:15:43.400 So do you stay and fight? Do you, you know, even if it's to the bitter end, or do you pack up and look for greener pastures elsewhere? And we'll get to the specifics on that later. But he is more of the mind of the stay and fight to the bitter end. I am more fluid on that topic.

02:16:00.660 um and before we started i just wanted to ask you swan very quickly you know i know you're writing

02:16:07.200 but i don't know a whole lot about you um not just personally but professionally as well i was

02:16:13.580 wondering do you have any you know professional dealings do you have any story about what brought

02:16:20.240 you to this point politically or any personal experience about what made you passionate about

02:16:24.360 this topic well what really um i i used to be so on the west coast almost everyone that's um

02:16:31.960 like let's say a union member uh is a ndp voter basically my dad was an ndp voter my grandpa was

02:16:39.440 an ndp voter a lot of my family were ndp voters so naturally i was doing that at some point um 0.90

02:16:45.380 but at some point i was in the party and realizing that everyone around me was like a resentful loser

02:16:50.660 and i was like but i wasn't and uh i started putting two to two to get two and two together

02:16:56.020 eventually i kind of broke through the uh uh the fourth wall i broke through and i realized that

02:17:02.600 like i'm actually kind of a traditionalist thinker and i shouldn't um i shouldn't be with 0.99

02:17:08.100 these people they're they're toxic they're they're shit you know and uh so i i started 0.99

02:17:14.020 like writing my thoughts down and and here i am now you know well i'm curious um so for 1.00

02:17:20.520 people who are listening who are not canadian who don't know the ndps the new democratic party

02:17:25.060 um on the political spectrum they would be further left than the liberal party who are already pretty

02:17:31.220 far left as it is i was curious about um how you so would you call yourself like an ndp uh member

02:17:38.760 until fairly recently and was this a recent shift for you i think um up until no this probably goes

02:17:46.380 back to 2012 uh when i started kind of walking away from it um actually i ran for office locally

02:17:53.080 at one point sort of as like a you know working man sort of ndp guy not like the sort of kakistan

02:18:01.000 ndp guys right but um either way i ended up walking away from i worked for a couple committees

02:18:07.840 in city council and i started learning how like things worked and i was sharing them and

02:18:12.260 i i was dealing with this electorate that was kind of i felt kind of stupid and so eventually

02:18:18.080 i walked away from that too but um what got me away from the ndp i think was eventually i read

02:18:24.400 this book um the road to serfdom because i was sort of like uh caught and caught in sort of like

02:18:31.320 the brainwashing for a long time because i had all these friends and these networks everything

02:18:35.160 network here is everything networked here is like left wing so you basically have to kind of like

02:18:40.440 find new friends when you when you eventually get out of it and um where was i going with this

02:18:46.900 i eventually yeah i was curious like if the majority of uh where you are geographically

02:18:54.340 was ndp uh where was there to break off too like did you have to completely change your

02:19:00.420 you know friend group when you did this and like how how tilted towards let's say progressivism

02:19:06.580 was the area you were in oh it's like basically communist like it's it's like one step away from

02:19:11.500 communist if you said they're communist or if you told them that they would like laugh because

02:19:15.160 they would think it's ridiculous but like the the spiritual philosophy that they have is communism

02:19:20.260 it's like based on resentment now and that's an interesting point and i was gonna follow up by

02:19:26.420 asking uh what about and i'm not asking this in a judgmental way i am curious because you know

02:19:32.180 everyone's got their own unique stories. What was it about the NDP that you found attractive? Was it

02:19:37.380 just that that was the majority of where you were and he kind of went with it or did something in

02:19:42.500 that party speak to you over, let's say the liberal party? Well, it originally started because I would

02:19:47.520 listen to my grandfather and I have a lot of respect to my grandfather. I love him very much.

02:19:51.060 He just passed away this last April at the age of 97. But he was back in the depression when

02:19:58.200 everyone was really really poor his father left the family so he was like sort of the man of the

02:20:03.740 family at that point at like seven years old and he went working for a woodwork uh for the

02:20:07.820 woodworkers union and so and his mother i think was working as well but she was getting subsidized

02:20:13.720 by the government it was like one of the first sort of welfare schemes back in the day it was

02:20:17.800 something like seven dollars a month and she had like seven kids all together and um so i always

02:20:23.960 heard these stories about how hard it was back then and how like finally like the government

02:20:27.620 sort of like stepped up and helped these poor families and women that got abandoned by their

02:20:32.040 husbands during the depression and so i kind of and he and he used to campaign for the ccf which

02:20:37.680 was the precursor to the ndp which is the canadian commonwealth federation and so i kind of had like

02:20:44.300 a family um element out of respect to my grandfather uh who otherwise is pretty traditional

02:20:50.060 you know and i guess growing up in the depression maybe he has like had a different perspective i

02:20:55.700 think he pretty much held that perspective his entire life um until the end um where i i kind

02:21:01.880 of converted him more to be traditional a little more traditional but but that's basically what i

02:21:07.140 think drew me to it was the sort of family bond um yeah that's interesting way to put it a lot

02:21:14.200 people might forget that that it would not be bizarre for a traditionally minded man to tilt

02:21:21.160 more towards socialist policies, especially if it was about, you know, the working man,

02:21:25.460 the working class and things like that. Um, it's like being what you might call a progressive in

02:21:30.760 that sense, wouldn't come bundled with what the current NDP is. And for a lot of people,

02:21:35.640 when I was growing up, the NDP, you know, we think of it now as the Jagmeet Singh and it's

02:21:41.620 all this kooky stuff. But, uh, when I was growing up, it was very much almost, I don't want to call

02:21:47.680 the cult of personality but it was really tied to the personality of jack layton yeah so people

02:21:52.940 liked jack layton and and he was sort of like oh i'm on the side of the working man you know then

02:21:57.880 it became this progressive identitarian weird very openly leftist thing but you know up until

02:22:05.220 you know the death of jack layton i'm like i could i could see someone like your grandfather being

02:22:10.980 with it yeah exactly i actually met layton he was like a kind of a normal guy i guess but

02:22:17.340 And then he died of cancer and then the whole party went to, I mean, it was kind of shit before, but it kind of went way further to the left, you know.

02:22:25.400 Also, you know, a lot of the older generations, they tended to be single issue voters. 0.98

02:22:29.660 Like my father-in-law, he is on the younger side of being a baby boomer and he voted for Justin Trudeau literally just to get weed legalized.

02:22:39.800 That was his issue.

02:22:41.520 And that was, you know, being a single issue voter to younger people sounds insane, obviously.

02:22:46.700 but for a lot of the generation it's like here's the one thing i want who's doing the one thing

02:22:50.940 you don't think in this abstract systemic ideological way so even if he doesn't like

02:22:57.120 true doing i was like i got i can smoke weed in my apartment now so my life is set politically

02:23:02.320 and i can see how that could make sense because like um a lot of times in politics nothing gets

02:23:06.880 done like nothing changes like arresting people for marijuana like who cares right like i don't 0.97

02:23:11.280 smoke marijuana but like who cares like arresting people for that stupid um but uh 0.98

02:23:16.700 but at least that got done. 0.99

02:23:18.720 So now we're not arresting people for marijuana.

02:23:20.340 So,

02:23:20.480 I mean,

02:23:20.720 everything else,

02:23:21.620 I mean,

02:23:21.840 things have gotten much worse in other ways,

02:23:23.360 but no one was suspecting that when,

02:23:25.200 uh,

02:23:25.440 I guess remember when they cast their ballot,

02:23:26.860 they weren't going,

02:23:27.460 yeah, 1.00

02:23:27.560 I'm going to vote for a fucked up economy. 1.00

02:23:29.100 I want fucking a million immigrants a year and all this other shit. 1.00

02:23:31.660 And this is what we got. 1.00

02:23:32.800 So.

02:23:33.520 Yeah.

02:23:34.220 Think about all the political capital Donald Trump could have accumulated.

02:23:38.980 If he actually just,

02:23:40.420 just did imprison Hillary Clinton.

02:23:43.100 If he could have tied his legacy to that,

02:23:46.500 that would have been you know what all things considered he did even if he liked hillary

02:23:50.540 clinton that would be a really funny thing to happen don't go into his books

02:23:54.300 well that's a very interesting story about how you get here because a lot of canadians

02:24:01.060 um americans will find this bewildering but there was there's really no libertarian streak

02:24:07.700 in canada there is now um more than ever before but historically there didn't really seem to be

02:24:13.980 especially if you're in the latter half of the 20th century it just seemed like liberalism all

02:24:20.300 the way down and you could try and grasp at something claiming to be conservatism but it

02:24:26.900 always would slip through your fingers right like the the complaints levied against the republicans

02:24:32.240 and the conservatives in the u.s is you know triply so up here yeah and you just mentioned

02:24:39.240 a couple things there like the migrant crisis and everything and i think um in your article

02:24:43.920 Canada in Crisis really lays out a lot of the issues that we discussed in the show before,

02:24:49.260 and a lot of people will be familiar with. But there's this one segment here, because we're

02:24:54.680 always thinking about house prices and whatnot, right? And there's this little paragraph. I was

02:24:59.760 going to read it for people. I found it very interesting. It said, you had said, the average

02:25:03.800 cost of housing for all Canada, as I write this, is around $656,000. If we consider that housing

02:25:11.120 will continue to increase in costs

02:25:12.960 given the proposed population growth

02:25:15.360 through mass migration.

02:25:17.140 We know that multiplying

02:25:18.500 the average housing price

02:25:19.940 with the needed houses

02:25:20.940 will give us the lowest

02:25:22.200 estimated price possible.

02:25:23.620 This equals just under $17 trillion.

02:25:28.220 And then you later on say,

02:25:29.960 tripling our population makes no sense

02:25:32.180 the way we are planning to.

02:25:33.420 The manipulation of the interpretation

02:25:36.240 of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms

02:25:38.500 by an activist judiciary

02:25:40.420 will make us no different from any third world dictatorship.

02:25:44.280 Genocide of the people who made Canada what it is

02:25:47.000 will simply make Canada something completely different.

02:25:50.460 And democracy itself must be put up to question.

02:25:53.500 Where does the buck stop?

02:25:54.620 Can the mess be fixed?

02:25:55.620 We need answers.

02:25:57.040 And I think the migration crisis as a dollars and cents problem,

02:26:01.860 you were expressing it very well here,

02:26:03.280 that as the government of Canada releases its not only projected numbers

02:26:09.300 but desired numbers um it seems like a shockingly mismanaged goal that they have and you know

02:26:18.500 once we see that oh they're talking about by the year 2100 they want to have something to the tune

02:26:24.840 of like it was like 50 million canadian or 100 million canadian million the century project i

02:26:30.740 believe it's called yeah it's utterly preposterous um and actually uh we are going to be publishing

02:26:37.340 an article on our site, the Vanguardist Journal that you might find very interesting. It's not

02:26:42.860 up yet, but it will be by the time this airs. And the working title, the title we'll probably go with

02:26:50.020 is Paving Over Public Opinion. This is an article written by someone else, not myself. And I'm not

02:26:57.120 going to name them because they use their real name. I need to double check if they want to use

02:27:00.320 their real name for this. But it's a historical, it's like an essay made into an article outlining

02:27:06.420 how the mass migration phenomena over the course of the 20th century was never actually voted on

02:27:15.900 and it was enacted against public opinion. And you can actually track public opinion. We have

02:27:21.440 census data. We have public polling on what people said they thought about mass migration

02:27:27.360 in the post-war years right up until now. And it seemed very clear that Canadians,

02:27:32.760 The government was proposing a plan as far back as the fucking fifties and the forties that we need to grow. We need population growth and we need population growth. First of all, people didn't agree that we needed population growth. Whenever it was put up to the public, they said, why? And no. 0.96

02:27:50.980 So second of all, they said correctly that, well, if there is population growth, all the biggest population booms in the 19th and 20th centuries were done natively just through increased birth rates. 0.98

02:28:04.440 That's what the fucking baby boomers are, right? 0.95

02:28:07.400 But people, they kept asking the public. 1.00

02:28:09.520 The public said we didn't want it, but they did it anyway.

02:28:11.640 So this idea of Canada being, aside from the nation of immigrants thing, but a nation that was always accepting and seeking out immigration was a lie until the machinery of the state and the bureaucracy sort of gerrymandered it and brought in the immigrants anyway.

02:28:29.740 then they could vote for it and say oh we were like this the whole time which is to say that

02:28:34.820 this plan for growth through immigration has been going on long enough that it's it's been normalized

02:28:43.200 to people and that's what's the scariest thing to me and i think that's that's where we arrive at 0.87

02:28:48.600 now where i think people are realizing that this doesn't make sense but it's almost too fucking

02:28:52.900 late because people should be mad and they're not now what do you think of all that i just said

02:28:58.300 i think with canadians they sort of this is like the uh the positive view i don't know if it's

02:29:05.220 going to be true but the most positive side of me says uh when things turn to such terrible

02:29:11.700 awful shit and that people are actually suffering you know like more than they are now

02:29:18.040 then um like maybe we get to third world levels or something i think maybe then it'll be a sudden 0.99

02:29:25.120 turn and you'll have like heads rolling you know but i don't i don't know if we can i don't know

02:29:29.920 if we have the spirit to do that anymore and and on the other other another part here is um

02:29:34.340 you mentioned the boomers and one of the things that they use as an excuse to bring in so many

02:29:41.620 immigrants is that the boomers are getting old and we don't have anybody to replace them right

02:29:45.860 they're doing this at the same time they're bringing in bringing in like an expanded version

02:29:51.480 of MAID, like medical

02:29:53.520 assistance in dying.

02:29:55.500 I just have this nightmare

02:29:57.380 scenario in my head where the government

02:29:59.500 sort of like how they did with COVID

02:30:01.260 convinces boomers to suicide

02:30:03.960 instead 0.99

02:30:05.620 of dying old

02:30:07.540 and living as a whole person.

02:30:09.900 You have a tweet right here. I was just looking

02:30:11.500 at this today. I think you just tweeted

02:30:13.660 it today and I'll read it for people.

02:30:15.720 It says the Canadian government is going

02:30:17.800 to solve the aging population by

02:30:19.680 mating the boomers aren't they does anyone else see it coming do boomers are they going to sign

02:30:25.260 up to save canada and stop the spread of aging and i've known some friends of ours who had said

02:30:30.680 that they've known uh some individuals who in their own lives are pursuing this um where kind

02:30:38.340 of where the rubber meets the road in your life have you seen this in in your life with you know

02:30:42.860 boomers uh i haven't um i i talked i talked my grandfather out of it i don't think really i

02:30:50.000 wasn't sure if he was gonna do it but he's he was really old and he was like his mind was totally

02:30:54.360 fine but his body was just like collapsing like this is solely dissolving essentially um just

02:31:00.960 breaking right down but um he was i don't know if he didn't say it directly but he was talking to me

02:31:07.400 uh a year before his death um when i went to go visit him and um he was sitting in the bed because

02:31:15.320 he was sick uh he got better actually before before dying this this spring um but he was

02:31:21.880 sitting there he's like you know i feel like i'm i'm useless i feel like um i'm just a burden on

02:31:27.100 everybody so i just told him like you know like from my view as your grandson i think you're the

02:31:32.300 most important person in the family because you're the oldest you have the most experience you know

02:31:36.780 all these young guys like my uncles and stuff they're they're they're old but they're not as

02:31:41.160 old as him i was like what like you're sort of like a guide that can kind of in a sense predict

02:31:45.840 the future for them um so losing you is actually a huge tragedy for the family and um after that

02:31:52.020 he was all spry so he wasn't like depressed anymore which was nice but sometimes he just

02:31:56.800 needed like they just needed a nice word you know that's a very poignant point um because i wonder

02:32:03.360 how many seniors and boomers especially they'd probably say the same thing like oh i'm a burden

02:32:08.760 on people oh it would be better if i weren't around in that case medical assistance and dying

02:32:15.000 could be counted as a death of despair and in my i experienced something somewhat similar with

02:32:20.420 my grandmother um on my my ukrainian side we call her baba you know she hurt she had four kids and 0.89

02:32:28.020 she still ended up in a fucking nursing home and i don't know it just it just seemed that you know 0.93

02:32:33.020 by the end she felt like you know no one was really caring about her and she was right she 1.00

02:32:38.700 was correct because her her fucking kids put her in a place where there's raving lunatics that 1.00

02:32:44.020 reek of shit and sold her house and whatnot you know i'm not i'm getting all riled up talking 1.00

02:32:49.340 about it oh it pisses me off man yeah and and so you know how and that's interesting how made 0.99

02:32:56.820 could be to take advantage of that because part of me was thinking and you know some people don't

02:33:01.220 like it when my mind wanders down these obvious paths but i'm like how often would made be

02:33:07.880 utilized by non-whites you know how how many caribbeans how many muslims are using are taking 0.86

02:33:15.720 advantage of this or does it seem to only be done by like depressed old white people i would be

02:33:21.000 interested to see the statistics on that what do you think about that i don't have the stats but i

02:33:25.700 have uh what's that called uh not personal experience but if my mother was a nurse and um

02:33:33.420 almost everyone that does it is is non uh it's a white and they're usually old yeah it just and

02:33:44.200 that could be a couple of things that could be that white seniors are just not being kept by

02:33:50.540 their family that's something that we see we see them being shoved into nursing look your average

02:33:55.520 nursing home how many non-whites are in there a lot of the times they they they're with their

02:33:59.860 family they're not whites so that's one thing the other side is like is this being pushed in some

02:34:05.220 way more to whites or do they feel you know it could also be said that you know the old stock

02:34:10.780 canadians you know let's say the anglo stock the french stock like they have more of a desire to

02:34:16.680 feel useful and so if they don't feel useful then they they're like i might as well just lay down

02:34:21.960 and die so that i think in your story was the core of that like they need to feel like they're

02:34:28.300 participating because you know if i was like you know i i just watched the other day

02:34:33.360 that movie that could have been great but it's pretty good is the irishman um that was only

02:34:41.280 really smudged by its use of de-aging cgi otherwise it's a very good movie and the way

02:34:48.060 that ends with Robert De Niro's character just like sitting there useless in a nursing home

02:34:54.200 waiting to die. Everyone's dead. No one's coming to check on him. I'm like, I bet not only is that 0.87

02:35:00.680 an experience I see shared by boomers, I like to think ahead. I'm like, what the fuck are the 0.99

02:35:08.060 millennials going to go through? Like if you're a millennial, you're my age. Hell, if you're a Gen 0.99

02:35:13.120 xer like it ain't gonna be much better for you i'm getting ready for gen alpha to fuck us over 0.99

02:35:20.920 we don't have the tools to like whatever the boom the boomers might have been in a position 0.97

02:35:26.280 to pass some stuff on it's like we're you know we're gonna have nothing from these younger

02:35:31.680 generations what do you think about that i i think boomers really dropped the ball because like

02:35:37.280 culture is something that you pass on generation after generation and standards are things you pass

02:35:42.200 on generation after generation and it's so easy to just drop the standards to like you know stop

02:35:47.060 doing your christmas dinner stop doing your thanksgiving dinner you know stop doing stop

02:35:50.980 putting candy out on halloween so easy just to do nothing and that's what i see a lot from boomers

02:35:57.060 i'm hoping we can get some sort of renewal from the next generations because i talk about this a

02:36:02.680 lot with my children like about how um you know like i'm here as your parent i'm here to teach

02:36:09.320 you things. So I'm going to teach you things. You're not going to like it because you're going

02:36:12.780 to find it annoying because you want to do something else, but you're just going to have

02:36:15.340 to deal with it. And I feel like boomers were more of a hippie-ish, you know, like, oh, do what you

02:36:21.440 want. Like no standards, no, you know, no, no attachments, you know, no duties. Yeah. And that

02:36:31.460 was also Gen X as well, because my parents, you know, bless them, were very similar. You know,

02:36:36.820 one example was um when it came to religion like we weren't i wasn't raised in any church but i

02:36:43.060 also wasn't raised atheist i was just raised it wasn't even talked about they just said we're

02:36:48.300 gonna let him figure it out and the same kind of went for everything and i wasn't really you know

02:36:53.980 they were present you know and they provided a life so they didn't do anything objectively wrong

02:36:59.340 but you know for a young man especially you really do need some guidance if you don't have

02:37:04.300 that you'll search for it in any huckster grifter cult of personality you could find but there was

02:37:11.580 like generations that were like you know what the way to do it the modern way to do it is let the

02:37:16.260 kids raise you or something like oh yeah it's insane because like kids have no idea what the 0.98

02:37:23.180 fuck's going on like they have no fucking clue and i can tell you that from experience like kids 0.98

02:37:26.640 have no fucking idea what's going on um you have to guide them like if you don't if you don't like 1.00

02:37:31.120 at least lay out a structure they have nothing to build on you know what i was thinking this 0.99

02:37:37.260 other day too when i was there's that old sam hyde sketch where he's the father talking to his

02:37:43.020 son and just give like smoking cigarettes and giving them kind of shitty advice but i'm like

02:37:48.700 even shitty advice is better than no advice like a dad telling his like 13 year old kid like 0.73

02:37:54.600 here's how you get a girl and even if it's like way off base like it's better than nothing then

02:38:00.700 you have like a 12 year old like going on the internet like oh how do i meet a girl and it's

02:38:06.120 just pedophiles that's all you're gonna get yeah and it's like you need some give give some kind

02:38:12.000 of mooring even if it's flimsy right so i think i'm a recent father myself congratulations well

02:38:19.940 thank you very much how many kids do you have i have three um i had my first when i was 18 then

02:38:26.320 21 and then when i was 28 well and honestly that's a very interesting way to go about it because i

02:38:32.800 bet has your parenting style changed uh as you have aged as well would you say well when i was

02:38:38.800 younger it's crazy like because uh so i sort of two generations of kids the first two and then

02:38:44.480 the third one and uh when i was younger i had so much energy i could like chase it was awesome 0.96

02:38:50.120 because i could like uh chase them around i'd never get tired they get tired to shit because 0.53

02:38:55.040 they're young they're little kids right and um but now with this the the new one i i know i 0.98

02:38:59.940 noticed i have a lot less energy you know um i'm just beaten down i guess compared to what i used

02:39:05.500 to be but uh um if having kids young i think is like a really good idea like despite there's

02:39:14.380 there's drawbacks to it but if you can find if a guy can find a good woman and they work together

02:39:19.680 um i mean i'm not saying i did that because i had a divorce after my first two um but uh

02:39:25.520 which wasn't my fault by the way um but but anyways my point is if you have them young

02:39:33.200 it's just so much better for the kids it's so much better for you um and then by the time you're

02:39:38.120 whatever 30 you're you know they're they're sort of big kids now and it's not such it's not so hard

02:39:43.080 yeah i'm in my 30s so i had my first kid when i'm in my 30s so i have no idea what that's like

02:39:49.480 but i do notice i can imagine what it's like and as a dad of a young young child in his 30s

02:39:58.080 make a lot of noises like this oh here we go like a lot of a lot of whoa it's it's like an

02:40:07.860 excited groan is the best way i could describe it yeah and so i'm wearing a lot of more loose

02:40:14.960 fitting clothing because i have to get on the floor and get up and do a flip him around and

02:40:19.660 you know it is is just you know being like oh my knees oh honestly dude i'm noticing that i'm like 0.97

02:40:29.320 my legs feel like they're fucked they feel like they're on the way to being busted and that scares 0.88

02:40:37.480 me because i like i do squats and shit like i work out i i'm active um i don't jog or nothing 0.97

02:40:43.700 but like i'm trying to get the legs on but i'm like that's not helping yeah no for sure the

02:40:50.200 knees thing is definitely uh i've noticed that we haven't solved knees have we we haven't solved

02:40:56.220 this bone shit we're still dealing with bones it's a weak point on us yeah imagine having a

02:41:05.000 kid when you're like 50 oh man it's brutal i wonder i wonder what that's like like when i 0.99

02:41:11.060 watch like succession or something and like a 75 year old man's trying to get a to him which is

02:41:17.900 very young but the woman's like 42 get her pregnant i'm like that's a strange dynamic right yeah yeah

02:41:25.680 you always hear about like older women giving birth to messed up kids uh because of you know

02:41:33.760 their genitals but i'm like busted sperm can't be much better i i have to believe that this is i 0.93

02:41:42.020 think that causes autism or something like that it's one of the one of the causes older sperm 0.97

02:41:46.440 and older women on a long enough timeline autism is the best you could hope for let's just say that

02:41:52.580 but but you do raise a good point um and this believe it or not people this pertains to what

02:41:58.500 we're discussing um for younger generations this is something we talked about on the show a lot now

02:42:03.080 the example you gave of boomers and you know gen x could be and various generations can be blamed

02:42:10.420 on this but kind of losing the traditions and you feeling like you have to keep them going with your

02:42:15.560 kids that's something myself and my wife deal with as well you know we find that our parents

02:42:21.080 aren't terribly interested and they do a thanksgiving dinner so it's like okay we got to do

02:42:26.000 it but i'm like oh if i was fucking retired i'd be hosting everything at my house not them

02:42:31.460 their version of retirement is not doing anything anymore ever so that meant that oh all the stuff 0.57

02:42:38.040 you did in the past you didn't like doing it which is i i think i think if there's a point

02:42:43.620 of differentiation that our generation will have to answer for it's that you actually have to like

02:42:49.420 doing these things because it seems that the previous generations just did it to keep up with

02:42:54.220 the joneses but you actually have to believe in this stuff and so what i see with young families

02:43:00.220 and young men and young women in our political milieu is like they act they're feeling like they

02:43:04.860 have to really rediscover this stuff and really believe in it and not just pantomime it would you

02:43:10.640 agree with that yeah actually uh this is i i didn't think about bringing this up earlier but

02:43:15.520 i wrote an article called the boomer cruise and it kind of talks about this whole idea about how

02:43:19.900 the boomers their whole life sort of like a cruise right like they're the ultimate boomer life would

02:43:25.040 be cruising down the highway on their cruise uh in their cruiser and then going on a cruise to

02:43:30.720 mexico or the caribbean and then coming home and you know getting bored of home and then going on

02:43:37.000 another cruise that's like their ultimate reality right but for us i don't know if that would be

02:43:41.720 fulfilling at least for me i don't think that i like i like traveling around the world like

02:43:46.020 learning new things but i don't think i could spend on a cruise ship at least not maybe maybe

02:43:49.840 not more than one time yeah i went on a cruise ship once in my life it was one of those

02:43:54.960 carnival cruises and this was when i was in my 20s and i was single and i was smoking and drinking

02:44:01.140 so that's just what that's what i did on the cruise but if i wasn't and i don't drink anymore

02:44:05.820 so i'm like i don't know what i would do on a cruise if you're not smoking drinking gambling 0.91

02:44:11.640 it's it's just like old people and kids but they love it they go every fucking year and a lot of 0.91

02:44:18.980 older people in my family they love the cruises they love like my in-laws just went on like a 0.90

02:44:24.760 two-week tour of europe now what that means is they spend like one day in every city and then

02:44:32.300 that one day was every it was just boat cruises get out from paris there's the eiffel tower right

02:44:38.260 there and then you go on a boat cruise they give you a middling dinner and but that's for them that

02:44:45.100 they said oh i saw it out there i saw a big ben i saw the eiffel tower i saw a lean tower piece i'm 0.97

02:44:50.400 like but you didn't get to pretend like you're holding it up that's the whole fucking reason 0.97

02:44:54.000 you go there dummy and you know but then our generation is like oh let's kind of spend some 0.97

02:45:01.040 more time there but yeah the idea of just kind of passing by something maybe that is a generational

02:45:07.840 rift i i'd like to so you said that article was called uh the boomer cruise yeah and uh what kind

02:45:15.680 of i kind of thought about later because like i wrote that i think a couple months ago but um after

02:45:21.120 my grandfather died i got i inherited my these pictures that came from my grandmother's aunt

02:45:26.080 or sorry my grandmother's sister because she didn't have any children and i was going through

02:45:30.420 you know there's lots of old photos from different parts of the family and then i come across hers

02:45:34.540 and this are travel photos from europe in the 70s and she went on like this european cruise or

02:45:39.900 whatever and i just i just started thinking because i did a lot of genealogy stuff on the

02:45:43.680 side like keep track of my family tree and stuff and i passed that information to my family so they

02:45:47.960 and you know oh you're related to alfred the great this many generations or whatever anyway

02:45:52.260 so i tell them that sort of stuff anyway so i'm looking at these pictures and i'm just thinking

02:45:56.340 this is this woman was my great aunt she had no kids like i have uh 10 other cousins 10 cousins

02:46:04.460 in my generation and each of us have and all together i think there's like 22 great grandkids

02:46:08.800 but of all the people i'm the one that inherited this book of her pictures to europe as a single

02:46:14.280 woman i'm just like imagine if she was like uh you know watching me from heaven or whatever

02:46:21.420 and like i this person i've never i never met her like i remember i might have met her when i was a

02:46:25.880 little tiny kid but for me for me to inherit it is just kind of strange there's something surreal

02:46:31.600 about that yeah what do you think that was why do you think she left it to you oh she she didn't

02:46:38.000 she left it to my grandmother and then okay and then my grandfather got he she passed away in

02:46:43.260 2007 so he but he lived till now so it was with him and then they got passed to me

02:46:47.660 because i'm the only one that cares i guess no honestly i'm noticing that as well that uh

02:46:54.620 previous generations that they're kind of dumping all of these these memorabilias and these these

02:47:01.060 photo albums um it's getting difficult because you know my son he's only a few months old right

02:47:06.940 um but he doesn't have the experience of having a lot of cousins because you know i i just have

02:47:13.360 one sister i didn't come from a big family my wife didn't come from a big family she was an 0.98

02:47:17.020 only child and my sister didn't have any kids so it's like he's got no fucking cousins he's got a 0.86

02:47:23.080 great i don't know cousins twice removed or whatever it is so my cousins but i'm like 0.95

02:47:27.360 second cousins yeah yeah like the pool of immediate family you can hang out with is dwindling

02:47:34.400 and even within three generations it's down to like a few people and i don't think that's uncommon

02:47:40.720 in south korea uh south korea i think um the next and not too distant future for every great

02:47:48.200 grandchild or sorry for every great great grandchild there's going to be 100 great

02:47:52.120 grandparents that's crazy or maybe it's four maybe for four great grandchildren to be 100

02:47:58.520 great-grandparents which is nuts like that's just like total devolution like absolutely that's like

02:48:04.880 that's like gent it's like getting a camel through the eye of a needle to get your genes forward

02:48:10.360 yeah and that i'm interested to hear your thoughts on because a lot of people will say that

02:48:17.940 you know the the birth rate falling is a net negative for society like let's say japan for

02:48:25.300 example in their falling birth rate um because a lot of people forget the baby boom impacted

02:48:31.080 everywhere there's a baby boom worldwide um at around the same time but i'm wondering how much

02:48:37.380 of it is sort of this these dysgenic pressures affecting us how much of it could be seen as

02:48:42.800 maybe population numbers normalizing now this wouldn't be true obviously in africa and other

02:48:48.040 places that are problems that they're booming but a lot of the boom in certain countries is propped

02:48:53.320 up by foreign capital right if you just remove that it would normalize itself but i'm wondering

02:48:58.140 is there an argument to be made that maybe the the declining birth rate is more kind of just

02:49:06.440 reverting to the mean in some countries what do you think about that i think that's i think that's

02:49:11.600 the case um makes me a little sad like to know that my kids will have like one maybe two cousins

02:49:18.020 um but you know what am i supposed to do about it force people force my family to breathe like

02:49:25.760 a lot of my cousins have kids but like my i have one half nephew that's it and uh then i have a um

02:49:32.280 my sister-in-law has a has a son so that's it two nephews well and that what's interesting there is

02:49:39.660 that you know you're representative of the let's call it the native stock or the old stock in

02:49:44.840 canada dwindling and the government saying that well to maintain this infrastructure we must bring

02:49:50.920 in tens of millions of people which obviously doesn't make any sense but um in your second

02:49:57.380 article that was going to talk about infrastructure deficits this is another thing that i think is

02:50:03.520 important that um in terms of because when you're talking about young families like we are right now

02:50:08.320 a lot of the reason people don't want to have big families because they can't afford a house

02:50:13.000 or they don't they don't have access to what could be seen as a good community but you know

02:50:20.360 i know a lot of younger guys including myself who are looking for a house right now and uh one thing

02:50:26.600 that i always remind people to look at when they're looking for a house especially if they're

02:50:30.060 looking for a deal right now because you need to find like a good steal right now because everything 0.95

02:50:34.660 fucking sucks up here but like you know if you do find a deal pay close attention to the water and 0.97

02:50:41.500 sanitation of that house um because anyone who knew knew anything about houses who i've talked 1.00

02:50:47.200 to said what really matters is where your shit goes full stop like a lot of the times the deals 0.97

02:50:52.600 like that that's messed up the plumbing's messed up and it's a tear down you know the the basic 0.99

02:50:57.620 stuff that no one thinks about and you have this uh line here because in in regards to the

02:51:02.360 competency crisis people think of oh everything's getting kind of worse with our infrastructure

02:51:06.620 but you have this line here is that even assuming we catch up somehow in our sanitation and water

02:51:13.260 infrastructure we will have fewer than half of the doctors engineers pilots scientists mechanics

02:51:19.180 tradesmen industrial farm equipments and manufacturing this is assuming we can even

02:51:24.420 get a drink of clean water or have indoor plumbing so on one hand we've got the declining

02:51:30.220 um old stock of canada which were the most competent and what do we do about that we might

02:51:36.820 be able to do so like i think we could keep things running if we didn't have the insane

02:51:41.800 the competency crisis on the other end of the spectrum was which is just inept people

02:51:46.300 ruining everything and then on top of that there's the fact that once one thing starts to collapse

02:51:52.540 it all seems to have a domino effect and it starts with the things you don't think about

02:51:57.080 and all of a sudden the power isn't on as much as it used to.

02:52:00.900 Now there's this thing called brownouts.

02:52:03.280 When's the last time we talked about a brownout?

02:52:05.420 Well, maybe that starts hitting southern Ontario in the next 10 years

02:52:08.900 because the people just don't know how to maintain

02:52:11.400 all the electrical lines and stuff.

02:52:14.900 Is that a serious problem you see impacting us in the near future?

02:52:19.840 If we don't, like right now we're actually losing ground

02:52:23.540 on almost all our maintenance uh by about what either it's either i think it's one and a half

02:52:29.180 percent per year of our of our water pipes degrade and we repair them at 0.5 so every year we're

02:52:36.540 we're falling behind i mean the degraded pipes will still work but they're they're at risk of

02:52:41.680 bursting at any moment essentially like they're they're like the glue is worn off for them off

02:52:46.760 of the city so if we don't fix that like so imagine if you don't have water because that's

02:52:51.800 sort of essential for uh like high functioning societies if you don't have water you have

02:52:57.260 nothing like we're in mad max scenario like we're at the point where we'll be at the point where

02:53:02.500 if you're living on vancouver island like actually i was kind of worried about this 0.74

02:53:06.140 at one during covid i was like fuck if i i don't have a gun i don't have a gun because i can't you 0.68

02:53:11.200 can't it's hard to shit to get guns over here um so i was like i'm gonna buy um a pellet gun so if 0.98

02:53:16.880 i need to shoot a squirrel or something get some protein i can do that and then i bought a book 0.96

02:53:21.600 about foraging in the forest in this area so i could like forage for like crap in the woods to

02:53:27.880 eat um because i was like well if this if the water goes and the supplies go and like we don't

02:53:32.860 happen to be working there's going to be nothing to you can go to the store with all your money

02:53:36.900 but there's gonna be nothing to buy right so i thought i'd get a little bit ahead so i bought

02:53:40.580 some books and i bought that pelican but yeah i think that that is going to be a serious problem

02:53:45.000 if we have more and more people coming because you know can you run a country on guys that work

02:53:49.480 at tim on tim hortons like that's the highest they can ever get i don't think you can how much of this

02:53:56.720 is government ineptitude and how much of it is sort of my level and design on their part like

02:54:03.140 how like i know we talked about justin trudeau being an inept leader but do you think there's 0.91

02:54:07.300 some grand scheme behind all this because on its face it looks ridiculous i think it's i think it's 0.93

02:54:14.220 almost completely incompetence there could be some scheming but you know it'd be hard to point

02:54:18.320 to uh on the thing on this scale i don't think it could be scheming i think it's got to be

02:54:22.780 incompetence and and it scales if you if you uh do you ever listen to edward dutton yes um he

02:54:29.920 talks about this we're losing like one and a half iq points every decade on average which at the 1.00

02:54:36.620 ends of the scale really cause problems like you end up with a lot more really really stupid people 0.91

02:54:41.900 and a lot fewer smart people so all these people that be running complicated systems

02:54:47.540 they're gone now you got people in the second order that are now operating those systems

02:54:53.060 and at some point they're going to be gone too so then we're going to have like average midwits

02:54:57.440 like justin like our prime minister okay he's literally a high school or sorry a middle school

02:55:04.960 drama teacher that's his competency and he happened to be the son of of pierre l trudeau

02:55:11.580 But that's it. That's all he's got going for him. This wouldn't fly in any other country.

02:55:17.720 Justin Trudeau is such a fascinating political phenomenon because some people will say that, oh, he had the name of Trudeau and that has some political capital.

02:55:28.620 And I would say, have you asked the people who voted for Justin Trudeau what they thought of Pierre Elliott Trudeau?

02:55:34.360 I've never met a Justin Trudeau voter in my life. I asked. I've never met one.

02:55:40.200 i i've known like because i am i had some dealings uh in my late 20s in politics on a

02:55:49.700 municipal level here in ontario and where i was living at the time and uh we were working uh with

02:55:56.420 an mp in the area in a marketing capacity because myself and my wife we both work in marketing

02:56:02.520 we're in a local mp's office who's a liberal and um i remember when justin trudeau was running

02:56:09.100 um and it was decided within the party that this is going to be our guy and unlike in american

02:56:16.000 politics you can't really dissent within the party like you imagine the republican party like

02:56:21.620 how many of them dissented against trump right that didn't happen here in fact any mp that was 0.93

02:56:27.720 against trudeau getting into office was expunged from the fucking party like you saw people just 0.84

02:56:34.080 disappear because they weren't on board with the new guy so they had to have a unit unanimous 0.97

02:56:40.080 support for this guy and i thought that was fascinating and i'm like i i guess that could

02:56:44.820 explain so if you were a liberal voter uh you were just voting for the party and this guy was just in 0.65

02:56:51.300 the fucking party um aside from like guys like you know my father-in-law who just voted for him 0.51

02:56:56.940 because he wanted we legalized um and i guess that was a pillar but i'm like i was like oh trudeau 0.99

02:57:02.140 but what does the Trudeau name really fucking mean does anyone know anything about Pierre Trudeau 0.64

02:57:06.520 why did you guys like him is he like a bush not really like you know the I could tell you about 0.98

02:57:12.080 the bushes I could tell you about these other you know families the the fucking Kennedys but 0.99

02:57:17.980 what capital does Trudeau have so it's like this is just a a fucking guy who's here who nobody 0.99

02:57:24.300 respects or even particularly likes like they were trying to make us think that Trudeau was like 0.99

02:57:29.240 handsome no he's not he's dopey no i've had to go ask women like i've the most i heard women say

02:57:35.600 about trudeau was they liked his hair that's what you say about a gay guy i i do have some

02:57:42.120 suspicions on that regard i i forget where i was reading it it was probably from one of those

02:57:48.400 people that we follow but um with his divorce from sophie i wouldn't be surprised if he comes

02:57:55.140 out as maybe not

02:57:57.020 gay but he'll say like I 0.72

02:57:59.020 am like imagine that terrible voice 0.98

02:58:01.160 he uses like what's the voice like it's kind of

02:58:03.100 like raspy like I am

02:58:05.060 an LGBT

02:58:06.160 member of the community

02:58:08.400 pansexual

02:58:10.120 yeah like he'll say he's bi he'll 0.86

02:58:13.020 say something

02:58:14.600 you know very corporate

02:58:16.960 you know

02:58:17.600 and he'll try that and yeah

02:58:20.240 I hope he says he's bi because I wrote an article about

02:58:23.040 how bisexuality is fake

02:58:24.420 so it would just mesh really well

02:58:27.000 yeah everyone knows it's fake 0.99

02:58:29.040 it's gayer than gay 0.99

02:58:30.820 because you can't even commit to being gay 0.99

02:58:32.780 yeah yeah exactly

02:58:34.480 being bisexual is closer to being

02:58:37.300 a lesbian so it's a man

02:58:39.240 saying he's a lesbian

02:58:40.220 and again I don't think

02:58:43.340 that reads well I don't think

02:58:44.920 you know like everyone was talking about

02:58:47.300 how oh maybe 0.93

02:58:48.500 like Michelle Obama will run

02:58:51.280 or like people

02:58:52.720 There's this theory that I think has some traction that one of the reasons Hillary Clinton couldn't be elected was because her husband had an affair on her.

02:59:02.920 And people have strong opinions about sexual things.

02:59:06.080 People generally don't care if a man has an affair, but if a woman does, that's worse.

02:59:12.340 And if the man cheats on the woman, you're seen as a failure as a partner or you don't have the vitality or a man whose wife cheats on him.

02:59:20.920 he seemed like this loser of a guy you know you can't do that politically so the idea like if

02:59:26.940 trudeau's wife left him because for another man it's like deep down people are going to think

02:59:32.360 he's a loser and i think he there's no way back from that that's my opinion anyway no i agree on

02:59:39.220 at least on that um that regard i think their marriage is kind of there's this picture that 0.98

02:59:44.180 they showed i think it was on instagram i'm not sure but it was uh they're driving in an rv and

02:59:48.900 it's like if someone's taking a picture from behind and trudeau's driving and then sophie's

02:59:53.560 in the you know passenger seat and they're like holding hands but like usually a woman uh when

02:59:58.080 they do because i've been in this situation they like kind of lean towards you a little bit right 0.99

03:00:01.000 at least at least a hair and this she was almost she was like almost faking like she was leaning 0.54

03:00:06.700 that way but she was kind of like one degree away instead and i was like oh man if i had seen that

03:00:11.980 i would have called it right away but i mean they didn't i don't i don't i don't haunt their uh

03:00:15.780 to their instagram page so break out the green lines and figure out whether this relationship

03:00:21.480 is healthy or not exactly yeah yeah so um the problem with the infrastructure that we're

03:00:29.080 talking about you go into a great depth in this article but you were you have a calculation in

03:00:35.260 here like between relative time units and the actual infrastructure deficit given a numerical

03:00:42.140 value. And that, you know, by the end of this, that the amount of money and the amount of

03:00:50.280 competency it will take to run this machine will just run out. And would you predict just a total

03:00:56.300 collapse in that scenario? I think either, well, it would get to, the way I looked at it is that

03:01:03.040 eventually you get to a point where you don't have enough water. Like you need two liters of water,

03:01:08.340 let's say at the beginning to live and at some point you'll be like owing 800 mils of water

03:01:13.160 you know and that's that's only like 30 years away or by 2036 or something like that i think i wrote

03:01:19.440 and um so you know but that's just unrealistic you'd like you'd collapse way before that like

03:01:25.880 what i'm saying is like by 2030 we're probably um up shit creek like if we don't get if we don't

03:01:31.660 figure things out if we don't fix the problems we have that are growing we could be in huge a huge

03:01:37.880 problem later on um i i think one possible outcome and i've seen this described by even the likes of

03:01:45.620 peter zaihan um i think there's this other creator what if alfist recently a lot of people have been

03:01:51.820 talking about this about uh the breakup of canada and what that would look like and for what people

03:01:57.560 say about peter zaihan and people like him i get it why people might not like him but in his book

03:02:02.400 which we had covered on the show disunited nations he did make a valid point that every

03:02:08.420 province in canada individually has a greater trade relationship with america than it does

03:02:14.400 with each other so you could see you would imagine a crisis scenario hits can let's say there's not 0.90

03:02:20.400 enough fucking water you might see canada start to break up piecemeal as america starts to swoop 0.84

03:02:28.100 in and solve that issue and maybe it starts with alberta i think ontario would be the holdout i 0.98

03:02:33.960 think uh you know when we had the black horse on people can go back and listen to that interview

03:02:38.520 with the black horse he was describing the relationship between the east versus the west

03:02:42.500 and the laurentian elite over here in ontario and in the maritimes versus the rest of canada so i'm 0.99

03:02:49.060 like okay i could see ontario quebec and the maritimes holding out as one block but fuck it 0.98

03:02:56.500 I can see Saskatchewan becoming like an, 0.99

03:02:58.860 an effective asset of America,

03:03:02.080 you know,

03:03:02.900 infrastructure wise.

03:03:04.180 That's how they get in.

03:03:04.960 I could see that with Alberta.

03:03:07.200 I can,

03:03:07.600 there's a lot of,

03:03:08.060 there's a lot of Americans that moved to Alberta actually during the

03:03:12.220 depression,

03:03:12.820 including my own grandmother,

03:03:14.860 her family moved up in like 35 and this gets the land was basically free.

03:03:20.240 And so there's a lot of American influence in Alberta as is.

03:03:23.720 That's kind of why they are the way they are.

03:03:26.500 Yeah, like I can easily see, you know, British Columbia might present some problems, but I think there would be a great interest, especially from the American side of, you know, owning the Rocky Mountains and the Alberta oil, you know, like there's a lot of interest in there.

03:03:44.180 So you could effectively see a Canada that's just Ontario and the Maritimes and maybe they bribe Quebec, but I don't know, maybe I don't see Quebec being on board with that either.

03:03:55.580 And so now it's just Ontario floating there.

03:03:59.160 Yeah.

03:03:59.820 That sounds grim.

03:04:01.460 And I think the way you get there, like you said, is maybe it's a crisis scenario.

03:04:05.860 Someone has to save Canada.

03:04:08.280 They've got in too deep.

03:04:09.600 They can't figure it out.

03:04:11.260 So who's going to do it?

03:04:12.480 Well, obviously, America.

03:04:13.940 You know, I'm not saying that America is engineering this, but I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if they don't have a plan to take advantage of that if it occurs.

03:04:23.000 What do you think?

03:04:23.600 it kind of makes me think of um this idea of the caesar um like right now we probably couldn't

03:04:31.320 imagine a canadian caesar right i kind of imagine brett wilson but um you know from dragon's den

03:04:38.320 i kind of imagine he's kind of he could be a caesar like he's he's he's got the money

03:04:43.440 he's got the personality he's a little bit kooky he's like a man of the people um and he's a

03:04:50.060 billionaire uh but the problem is like we don't have like an author we haven't like authorized

03:04:55.840 um as a culture this idea of caesarism so like long before that could happen we'd have to like

03:05:02.940 sort of i have this idea that we write we sort of author him into existence and then and then

03:05:09.240 those stories sort of become he sort of enacts the stories that we've written that we need this

03:05:15.320 to happen and that sort of gives him authority to do it and then people see it happening and they're

03:05:19.740 like yeah well you know those that's the as the myth said this is what this is the destiny that

03:05:24.220 we're supposed to go through um but we're not at that point yet we have to we still have to like

03:05:28.120 author that but i think that this breakup of canada it is possible that one could arise from

03:05:34.160 within instead of like the united states riding in on a white horse or whatever but i'm not i'm not

03:05:40.120 sure yeah and i think before anything like that we need to reconcile the east versus west conflict

03:05:48.860 in canada um there's a lot of internal struggle that a lot of people globally are not aware of

03:05:54.600 that i think prohibits any form of real unity more than people think um like canada is a very

03:06:01.620 disjointed nation right now um and it's it's falling apart because it doesn't you know

03:06:08.060 one thing i've always talked about before um you know in a few episodes we covered the trucker

03:06:13.380 protest um you know i think last summer however long ago it was everything blurs together

03:06:18.400 but uh one of the points i'd made was that the state apparatus simply didn't have the manpower

03:06:25.740 to stop it um and we experienced this because you know we're in ontario where the the hub of this

03:06:31.200 was so we got to even see it pass through our towns and there's no question in my mind they

03:06:36.120 wish they could have stopped this they didn't have enough cops they didn't have enough feds

03:06:40.680 they didn't have enough money to really stop this and so i think that proved to the world that

03:06:46.640 Canada just doesn't have the capacity to even really defend itself internally, which presents unique opportunities for dissident movements and even, you know, breakaway groups within Canada.

03:07:01.220 But that also means that Canada is very, very wobbly right now, which is why, which is what leads me to your next and final article that we're going to cover, which is titled Exodus.

03:07:13.120 And this is the one you delivered at the Shield exhibit.

03:07:16.740 I wondered if before I read from it, if you wanted to talk about that event, talk about the reading, any feedback you've heard from this article, because what it deals with is that question we began with, which is, should I stay or should I go?

03:07:30.140 Should I fight for Canada, stay within Canada and fight to the bitter end, maybe, or break off, leave somewhere else and maybe start fresh?

03:07:39.740 so uh my speech when it happened when i was at this event um my bag was delayed so i actually

03:07:47.620 traded positions with another guy so that i could you know he would go first then i could

03:07:51.360 my bag was arriving arriving late by this like i guess uber sort of thing that delivers bags when

03:07:56.020 they're late anyways my bag was coming so i got competency crisis am i right yeah yeah so i got

03:08:02.040 so centrist uh sensible so centrist if you know him um beowulf foundation he went first fellow

03:08:09.140 canadian you know um anyway so my suit arrives during his speech so i go get changed or whatever 0.92

03:08:14.740 and i come down and i open up with a uh quote from dust dostoevsky's the idiot and it's a prince 0.63

03:08:22.060 michigan who's who's the sort of the title character he's recounting an experience when 0.91

03:08:27.720 he was in france witnessing a execution or the procession before an execution then and then the

03:08:34.340 execution he doesn't actually talk about the execution itself it's about the guy walking to

03:08:38.300 the gallows or not the gallows the um the guillotine and he's like imagining him like

03:08:43.340 walking slowly every block he's like every every every step he takes he's like oh there's like

03:08:47.920 so many more steps until the end right like he's like rejoicing that like he has another block to

03:08:54.420 live and every step he takes up the up to the guillotine it's like well i have like seven more

03:08:59.620 steps you know anyways but then he gets the top and breaks down and cries and my point with that

03:09:05.340 was to talk about how at some point it's going to be too late to make a move so you have to really

03:09:14.300 think about it because maybe you should choose to fight maybe you should choose to stay 0.98

03:09:20.020 maybe there's something worth saving here or maybe you get slaughtered like a pig

03:09:25.140 so you have to make that choice and actually that i titled i did actually this wasn't long

03:09:34.620 enough really to make a full talk on so reason why i open with that because i was talking i i uh

03:09:39.400 amalgamated another um another one of my works uh it was called um interregnum and it's about how

03:09:47.900 basically democracy is entropy and so i go through all this speak and then i finally get to my point

03:09:54.040 on exodus and essentially the idea is what if we lose like what if what if the left and entropy

03:10:02.400 wins um they take the day we can't do anything about it they start trying to trun our kids out

03:10:07.940 and we have nowhere to go what happens then what if they follow us right so i thought well what if

03:10:14.880 we had like a little settlement somewhere else or some of us set up a settlement that was like

03:10:19.540 a refuge for our philosophy of truth and justice i believe i use the terms and um so that was

03:10:28.240 basically the idea and the area i had a couple options one was um polynesia another one was

03:10:34.880 siberia and then i also chose south america but specifically not the north of south america i

03:10:41.300 mean like um sort of uruguay paraguay and southern brazil maybe even argentina yeah i have to hear

03:10:47.820 south america along the brazilian argentinian and uruguayan border near or along the uruguay

03:10:54.380 river yeah around but not limited to the small town of bara de cari i'm probably

03:11:01.860 yeah um and it's well my wife's brazilian now so um which is kind of funny um but she

03:11:15.020 believes everything i believe which is the main point um so when i but after i did my speech i

03:11:22.540 before i went there this guy got a guy from belgium got a hold of me um and he he's actually

03:11:31.700 moving to paraguay and uh because there's this town there that got set up by these crazy german

03:11:37.080 people during covid because they were tired of the covid rules in europe so they moved and set

03:11:42.140 up this whole town it's all these super uber competent boomer germans that like knew how to

03:11:46.000 like dig uh big wells and um deep deep like 200 meter wells and stuff like that and like they do

03:11:52.660 landscaping they have all this money that they they're just like pretty wealthy retired german

03:11:56.420 people they used to own like companies and stuff so they built this town there um called paraiso

03:12:03.280 verde which is like green paradise essentially um so i included that in the speech as well

03:12:10.300 but basically the idea is to set up like sort of like a a place where you can kind of escape to

03:12:15.500 during the collapse, and then rebuild it.

03:12:17.740 It's sort of like the idea of Edward Dutton

03:12:19.620 talking about the Neo-Byzantiums,

03:12:22.780 which is essentially during a collapse,

03:12:24.680 like a medieval collapse,

03:12:26.520 Constantinople still existed,

03:12:29.720 and boatloads of intellectuals and stuff

03:12:32.520 from Britain, for example,

03:12:33.900 sailed all the way to Constantinople,

03:12:35.460 I think 200 ships full of intellectuals and writers

03:12:38.260 and noble people, merchants.

03:12:42.140 And so it kind of held the civilization...

03:12:45.500 the civilizational light aflame until it could be rebirthed or at least spread from there i mean

03:12:51.640 i don't know if it really worked out but because the turks eventually conquered them but by that

03:12:55.380 time europe had sort of resurged so that's that's the basis basic idea it wasn't to run away but to

03:13:02.200 you know if things are so messed up like like i could imagine like i go there or a couple a group

03:13:08.020 of a cohort of canadians goes there sets things up then england just gets totally screwed like

03:13:13.360 the uk is totally messed up it's like all communists and stuff then like you know academic

03:13:17.520 agent we bring him in on like a um refugee visa and he lives in our town you know like something

03:13:25.660 like that you know it's funny to think about but we could get there i'll find a job for academic

03:13:31.800 agent um oh there'll be unlimited work um and so here's i'm just gonna read a quote from that

03:13:39.680 article really quick um so i think you put it very well here it says to stay means you will

03:13:45.620 fight this ghastly circumstance for as long as you're able which uh with which you will bequeath

03:13:52.140 your heirs they ideally will continue your pain to struggle with each subsequent generation your

03:13:58.180 progeny will flip a coin and we hope our legacy endures oblivion the return to the edenic bestial

03:14:05.060 unconscious looms over these men of courage ready to for the return to paradise in all likelihood

03:14:12.080 this chaos path is the death of man as a creature of god his light extinguished will never again

03:14:18.820 illuminate the earth the alternative sacrifice is exodus one might extricate oneself from the 0.51

03:14:25.680 permanent purgatory of imploding empire and search out alternative locales to colonize ridiculous

03:14:32.540 It isn't.

03:14:33.940 And then you rule out completely some candidates.

03:14:38.120 So we've actually given a list just a couple minutes ago about prospects.

03:14:42.940 You said, let's rule out these ones.

03:14:44.880 For example, most Western European nations, Canada, USA, and most of Southeast Asia.

03:14:51.080 Well, I'm curious why you might rule out Southeast Asia.

03:14:53.700 Why might that be?

03:14:55.180 That's too many people.

03:14:56.940 You'll just get absorbed into the, either get destroyed, outbred, or just get absorbed into the culture.

03:15:02.160 that seems to be the one destination all like the the white expats want to go though isn't it 1.00

03:15:08.240 they want to go to thailand and shit pussy's cheap yeah i wonder what the going rate of pussy 1.00

03:15:17.080 in uh uruguay is either oh it's actually more expensive in uruguay um argentina is cheap 1.00

03:15:22.660 i don't know much about south america but i'm fascinated by it because i think

03:15:28.340 south america is going to make a big play for global you know relevance in the 21st century

03:15:36.660 something's going to go on between america and south america i'm pretty sure well if you go to

03:15:42.140 um higanda sul which is like the most southern state in brazil it's like 90 percent white or

03:15:48.920 something like that and it's mostly german and italians yeah i'd heard about that like i keep

03:15:54.000 hearing stories about these like like you just said here's a town of rich like boomer germans

03:15:59.680 who just went there but then there's all these stories of like yeah here's a bunch of italians 0.97

03:16:03.500 and it turns out there's always these colonies of fucking germans all across

03:16:07.000 south america yeah including one famous german yeah oh there's actually a couple towns that you 0.98

03:16:15.440 in argentina where you can't really enter them they're sort of a little bit on like the low end

03:16:20.700 of the hills near Cordoba and uh you you can't go inside like there's guards with uh mp40s at the

03:16:27.280 front well-maintained well-maintained mp40s i guess the question the big question that we are

03:16:38.140 asking ourselves right now as young vanguardists or dissidents or whatever as we look at like we

03:16:44.760 talked about before cycling back to the beginning about what values and traditions we actually want

03:16:51.200 to maintain and re-breathe life into and carry over how can we be sure that we don't just

03:16:57.820 photocopy the the parts that led us down the road to where we are today i know that's a great big

03:17:04.160 fear on the the dissident right broadly now do you see any like how how could we as canadians

03:17:12.900 as canadian men old stock canadians not repeat the same problems that led us down the road to

03:17:19.180 this canada what do you think well i think one thing that like i was never raised religious

03:17:25.340 um but uh having my experience in brazil and just seeing like the difference in like how

03:17:30.680 things work there um i think without the problem with not having religion is then you don't have a

03:17:37.380 a central moral principle uh everything just becomes convenience or what feels good and

03:17:44.980 like for one good example this is like this the covid vaccine crowd um at first they say oh it's

03:17:53.540 not gonna be mandatory right and then suddenly it basically becomes mandatory people are losing jobs

03:17:58.640 and whatever and that doesn't that means there's no principles behind what they're doing because

03:18:04.980 they already set their word and plus one of our principles is bodily autonomy so you shouldn't be

03:18:10.060 able to if you're a liberal you're supposed to be in favor of bodily autonomy right so there is no

03:18:16.640 principles but if you have um and even if the principle was you don't have bodily autonomy 0.61

03:18:21.900 and you got to take the damn shot at least you have a principle about it right but we don't even

03:18:25.860 have that so it's just everything becomes sort of chaotic and um whatever whatever serves power 0.99

03:18:32.100 essentially it's no longer about what's right or wrong i'm not saying like things are necessarily

03:18:36.400 right or wrong either because i don't know i leave it to the guy in the sky but but our leadership

03:18:42.420 does not have that in mind justin trudeau is the top of the hierarchy there's nothing above him

03:18:48.460 i got one question for you um within the exodus article there's a part here near the end

03:18:55.080 titled order where you tend to you give a bit of a shape to this project that we're just discussing

03:19:00.600 now um and i'll just go read it here it says um perhaps it's just an exercise to reflect upon

03:19:07.220 your current paradigm we must consider the structure of power for long-term stability

03:19:11.860 history demonstrates that the longest lived systems had a feudal character or what hans

03:19:17.060 herman hoppe refers to as private government even republican city-states like venice florence and

03:19:22.840 milan were run by an oligarchy controlled by merchant families now um and you go on to talk

03:19:29.440 about a city-state oligarchy now when i was reading this it occurred to me that you know

03:19:35.080 oftentimes when people in our sector talk about parallel communities and societies and whatnot

03:19:41.120 it's usually just a group of middle class guys or a group of lower middle class guys we tend to be

03:19:46.480 from the same you know socioeconomic status but i know i was talking to um charles haywood not long

03:19:54.660 ago on the show a great interview people should go listen to but he was taking uh a very very

03:20:00.760 similar approach by saying like look in a collapse scenario you're going to end up with uh he didn't

03:20:06.320 use the word warlord other people have used it about him but something like you know i have the

03:20:11.980 resources i have the compound i've got everything people will gather around me and it leads one to

03:20:19.340 believe that oh in these situations like you're outlining here like with these merchant families

03:20:24.220 you will kind of need someone with those resources like and i do wonder if we're talking about

03:20:30.620 parallel societies and all this do you need at least one well-moneyed or successful individual

03:20:36.120 to kind of act as the nucleus for it yeah there will be a need for patronage like um because a

03:20:44.100 patron can't do it all himself um he's gonna need lieutenants he's gonna need competent people that

03:20:51.080 he could trust but those lieutenants are also going to need support from him so that's why i

03:20:58.520 kind of thought of it like as a few even if it's merchant i see it as futile because it's this

03:21:03.140 patronage thing you're not necessarily getting paid but you know um your house is guaranteed

03:21:09.020 because the the baron is saying this is your house essentially and you you have to sort of

03:21:15.700 also provide a service to the baron or whoever the merchant family he was doing whoever's your

03:21:20.240 patron and the thing is that it's personal it's not just it's not like oh uh you know i had you

03:21:26.700 hired but our business went bad so you're gone you know right and in these circumstances a lot

03:21:34.460 people will approach this from an ideological spiritual point of view but it seems that

03:21:38.200 the system in place is just economic and materialist like you know ideology aside

03:21:44.340 you will just be adhering to whatever that feudal lord will do and i think one thing that

03:21:52.860 concerns me is that we need to be able to tell the good well-moneyed individuals from the bad

03:21:58.640 ones like i don't think we actually have and i'm not trying to criticize anyone in particular here

03:22:03.540 but you know in our quest for patronage on the right that's something you hear a lot like we

03:22:08.840 need more patrons we need more guys with money i worry that we don't know how to delineate between

03:22:13.860 good patrons and bad patrons

03:22:15.960 like I don't want us to jump

03:22:18.080 at like the first guy who says he's gonna 0.99

03:22:20.040 start his own fucking Jonestown 0.98

03:22:22.500 or something right like we haven't 0.98

03:22:24.080 had that discussion on the right really

03:22:25.800 we need money

03:22:27.540 that came up Dave the distributist

03:22:29.860 he brought that up as one of the questions

03:22:31.920 after I finished my speech you know

03:22:34.220 about you know Jonestown

03:22:35.960 because that's kind of what they

03:22:36.960 what I was describing was similar to what

03:22:39.880 happened with that so I was

03:22:41.960 saying like oh no like you got to be

03:22:43.680 i'm not i'm not telling what to do you have to think about this you know you have to think you

03:22:48.020 have to actually have a plan you don't you don't go running and blind into the towards the out of

03:22:52.820 the trench into the the fog you have to you kind of have to have your plan ready and you have to be

03:22:59.160 able to trust what you're doing you can't just don't just jump in with jim jones you know what

03:23:05.060 yeah and uh the jim jones situation was that deserves an episode in itself really unpacking

03:23:13.960 that but it seems that one of the best like the the best acorns with which to plant this

03:23:21.540 tree of a society would be something like you know like a band of brothers or like a war band

03:23:28.420 of sometimes like the founding of rome or something like you need like a a network of

03:23:34.320 really driven men especially not so much like hey here's a bunch of families following this guy

03:23:40.920 you know and i you know i don't know exactly how to do it right but i know there's there's examples

03:23:45.300 that work and there's examples that don't work and i'm trying to i think that's an interesting

03:23:49.960 discussion to have and i'm not trying to poke holes in anything because i think that's just

03:23:53.600 the natural state of things um and and you know as we look into like where resources are being

03:24:01.140 allocated we'll need to employ more of these guys who have resources but you know who don't just

03:24:05.960 want to have you know slaves or something like that and i you know i don't know how to negotiate

03:24:11.240 that i'll be the first to say like i this i'm in uncharted territory especially with a generation

03:24:16.740 of guys who don't really have mandatory military service you know a lot of the of the commonalities

03:24:24.420 between these guys don't exist for these younger generations and especially most of the guys

03:24:29.060 who are endeavoring to do this are not even linked geographically like you're across the

03:24:33.660 fucking country right now like most of us don't have a bunch of guys in our area we can do this

03:24:38.280 with so that that presents like how do you all come together and that's why we were discussing 0.98

03:24:43.300 that book a few episodes ago the network state which is how would you digitally bring people

03:24:51.360 together and you don't necessarily need to be within the same region you could coordinate the

03:24:55.920 purchase of land and that's why i found the you know the paraguay example very interesting because

03:25:01.360 within this book um he was describing like okay like you could pool resources and literally just 0.62

03:25:06.900 buy a fucking town and move there and like once you own land then it becomes real um you could 0.85

03:25:13.800 buy it in a place that wouldn't even be that expensive you know um and then there you go now 1.00

03:25:18.520 now we have something real to build from now within that book he's a very technocratic very

03:25:25.700 sort of curtis yarvin type guy where it's like oh you know how do we do this well we'll have the

03:25:30.780 entire constitution on the blockchain everything will be the blockchain and the blockchain will

03:25:34.580 solve everything i'm like okay well that's you can be a bit too technocratic about it you know

03:25:39.480 but uh you do need to solve for simple things like how do you uh prevent despotism or how do

03:25:46.680 you make sure that the the values that bind you are explicit enough to keep you together long term

03:25:54.080 well that made me think about the um you said about despotism there as i think i think for um

03:25:59.100 i think for any power system i think one of the things that liberalism really fails

03:26:03.340 on is the

03:26:04.920 necessity of

03:26:06.560 a higher power above the state

03:26:09.320 or whoever is the leader

03:26:10.840 that he

03:26:12.360 or they draw from

03:26:14.960 in order to not

03:26:16.700 become tyrants

03:26:18.540 not the good tyrant, the bad tyrant

03:26:20.840 and so I think

03:26:23.140 if you created

03:26:25.040 a new model

03:26:26.240 a new model civilization

03:26:28.640 you have to have that religious element

03:26:31.320 because if you don't then

03:26:33.340 And what's what's what's to stop the the bottom guy from just killing his way to the top?

03:26:40.100 And what's to stop the top guy from killing everyone so that they don't become they don't take over his position?

03:26:46.440 Now, let me ask you this. So, you know, you make a very solid case for Exodus.

03:26:52.640 And, you know, there's a lot of people right now who might be thinking about leaving Canada or leaving different parts of Canada.

03:26:59.420 um even if you are convinced that canada will break off at some point it's like well maybe i

03:27:04.520 still stay here i'm curious about you how bad would canada need to get before you would leave

03:27:12.200 or would you do imagine yourself leaving in the short term or what would that look like

03:27:16.640 guaranteed i'm not going to retire here i'm going to retire there um just because it's so much more

03:27:22.960 bang for your buck at least at the moment i don't know maybe a dollar would be worth nothing by that

03:27:26.560 point um but if i can leave earlier i'm going to leave earlier because because uh i think

03:27:34.460 that i think things are going to get much worse here if nothing changes i mean things could

03:27:40.580 change right like um maxine bernie could get in we could become a libertarian paradise or something

03:27:45.920 i don't know my concern is that if it became a libertarian paradise i wonder if that would just

03:27:52.380 accelerate the problems too yeah exactly yeah it could get worse like the issues are like unless

03:27:58.220 you take uh aggressive coordinated measures to reverse the flow of migrants and address some of

03:28:06.860 these problems i'm like you know it's it's over in a lot of ways like not to sound too

03:28:12.660 defeatist here but like if you look at the migrant flows up until now it's like well like

03:28:18.580 barring anything extreme barring an extreme measure that i don't even think we're

03:28:24.560 you know bureaucratically capable of at this point it's like well it's just a matter of time it seems

03:28:30.640 um you're just trying to think of what unforeseen thing could happen to make it even worse in the

03:28:36.380 short term like i guess it would be like a natural disaster it would be like a war like some you know

03:28:42.860 maybe there's world war three i don't know that could speed it up other than that it's like

03:28:46.160 I I'm not optimistic for the next 50 years and I don't see how you could

03:28:52.380 elect your way out of it if that makes any sense well uh this that reminded me of this um idea I

03:28:59.280 had a couple uh it was from a couple years ago before Jordan Peterson was on the Benzos um

03:29:04.940 you know back when he first kind of got big I remember thinking like you know if this guy

03:29:10.100 told me to march on Ottawa I would do it the truth was he'd never do that but

03:29:15.520 i remember that feeling and i remember i was talking to guys i know and they're like yeah

03:29:21.640 if he said to march on ottawa i would but um but he but he didn't so i don't know i think

03:29:28.440 there's a chance but a lot of people like to retroactively you know paint over how big that

03:29:36.320 jordan peterson phenomena was like if you were kind of living through it and paying attention

03:29:41.780 like that was a looking at him now it's very strange and pathetic and hollow but at that 0.95

03:29:49.560 moment like damn like that was the level of celebrity that you usually don't see for someone 0.96

03:29:55.880 talking about like weird nigh esoteric stuff like he's talking about like jung jungian psychoanalysis 0.97

03:30:03.440 of mythology like he shouldn't be filling out stadiums talking about that but he is 0.95

03:30:07.900 you know i guess that i guess deepak chopper does that in a sense but he just talks bullshit so hey

03:30:13.440 maybe he can but but that was wild to see and it really did capture a lot of young men and led them 0.85

03:30:19.540 on a path many of them to where we are now as yeah you know arrestable psychos yeah you know

03:30:27.460 that the people that he would probably denounce now is troll demons or whatever it might be

03:30:32.860 um but yeah like troll demons but that feeling like the feeling of here's someone who's got

03:30:40.240 their finger on the pulse here's someone who's who's got a whole generation's number that was

03:30:45.880 an interesting phenomenon i don't see anything like that i think andrew tate tried to be that

03:30:50.520 and people people were in love with the idea of having that guy again so they're like oh andrew

03:30:56.000 tate he's like that i'm like that's of that's not the guy you want that's something far worse i

03:31:02.540 thing but yeah who else right okay it's gonna get worse before it gets worse yes but it's these are

03:31:12.400 hard questions that people need to ask themselves like uh do you you know one thing that i have

03:31:18.520 mentioned before again i don't want to be too much of a bummer but i will um i think people

03:31:24.680 always talk about the historoidal cycle which is you know good times create weak men weak men

03:31:30.060 create bad times to that whole thing hard times create strong men and a lot of us are convinced

03:31:36.160 of that and that the hard times are coming and that will birth the new faustian man and i'm like

03:31:40.820 well also hard times can create broken men that stay like that for a thousand years and that's

03:31:47.660 actually more common in the world it's more common for really hard times just to have an oppressed

03:31:54.240 people that just are broken

03:31:56.280 they're buckbroken for

03:31:57.820 the rest of their existence so like

03:32:00.220 keep that in mind that things can get

03:32:02.360 so bad that you never

03:32:04.280 come out of it

03:32:05.320 or you just become like a

03:32:07.960 vassal people indefinitely

03:32:10.380 that's another reason why I'm like

03:32:12.640 um thinking

03:32:14.240 of leaving is just cause like

03:32:15.800 there's so many people here that are just completely

03:32:18.340 buckbroken like 0.92

03:32:19.880 cucks that don't 0.63

03:32:22.300 like have any spirit 1.00

03:32:24.040 to left in them you know and you go to brazil and there's guys slapping chicks asses they're all 0.91

03:32:28.800 laughing the chicks chicks even laugh because it's just regular there and like there's a spirit 0.81

03:32:33.360 about the place you know but here it's like oh you can't do that oh you can't do that you might

03:32:38.320 offend him or whatever you know or you might offend her oh that's sexist my own my own father

03:32:43.200 you know the boomer called so we were driving down the road i was helping him or he was helping me

03:32:49.600 do something with my help my mom out or something like that and uh we were driving on the road and

03:32:54.420 i saw this chick on the side of the road and i was like oh it's a japanese exchange student because 0.98

03:32:57.380 they're wearing like the japanese exchange student clothes they all wear the same fucking clothes 0.98

03:33:00.940 and there's lots of them here and it wasn't it was a white chick and i was like oh you know 0.98

03:33:04.860 i guess i was wrong he's like that's pretty uh what's he called it um uh stereo you stereotype 0.71

03:33:11.300 that's kind of racist i'm like i'm like everybody so i just said like everyone's racist like you're

03:33:15.380 racist too and he's like well no i'm not no i'm not i was like well do you prefer your own kids

03:33:21.100 or do you prefer strangers he's like oh i prefer my own kids i'm like that's the very basis of all

03:33:25.260 racism racism is just a term used to um make you turn against your own people and and help some

03:33:33.920 nebulous concept of humanity that that actually doesn't care for you it's like a communist ploy 0.90

03:33:39.260 essentially but he but he has no fucking clue what what's happening and that sort of thing 0.98

03:33:44.400 that makes me think like, why am I here 0.96

03:33:46.280 amongst these people? I could go over there

03:33:48.440 and they're just

03:33:49.600 they're the same ethnicity as me

03:33:52.280 down there essentially. I'm a little bit more

03:33:54.220 Anglo obviously. I have a little bit of Dutch than me

03:33:56.320 sort of like German

03:33:57.640 but they're just so much

03:34:00.300 more alive in South America

03:34:01.900 everyone here is just sort of like 1.00

03:34:03.600 a giant pussy 1.00

03:34:05.240 One thing that gave 1.00

03:34:08.440 me

03:34:08.820 pause was that

03:34:11.760 in America

03:34:13.700 i detect a sort of vitality and a vivacity within their conservative movement and people can mock

03:34:20.340 the republican party and the conservatives correctly so for a lot of you know cartoonishly

03:34:25.980 dumb behavior but like there is this sense of like the conservative american as like a a powerful 0.77

03:34:32.480 masculine force but then i look at canada and i remember the last election we had with trudeau 0.98

03:34:40.240 when trudeau was elected and it was the people's party of canada which was never going to win an

03:34:46.160 election but it was trying to make its mark and i think maxine bernier they had one seat

03:34:52.820 in the house of commons previously and then there was the election and the people's party of canada

03:34:59.160 did worse that election i believe they lost their seat in the house of commons yeah that was the

03:35:04.140 maxine bernier seat and this was at the i believe it was at the peak of covid like covid was on

03:35:09.100 everyone's mind so this would be the time for the people's party of canada ostensibly our only like

03:35:15.400 you know right libertarian uh selection here in canada and it did worse and it seemed that trudeau

03:35:22.280 did better and i looked at that and i said okay well what did i learn there's something going on

03:35:27.860 in this country that i don't understand because by all logic like everyone says they hate trudeau

03:35:33.960 but he keeps doing so well okay what's that about you know i mean like i see more trudeau 0.98

03:35:40.740 fuck trudeau bumper stickers than ever before but i'm like there's something going on where 0.96

03:35:44.600 it's all talk or it's just i'm just noticing it where i'm at but he uh the fact that when when 0.99

03:35:50.880 the votes are counted the guy that people should like did worse what he should have done better i'm

03:35:55.540 like okay there's something seriously broken in the psyche of this nation and it's mostly with

03:36:02.080 the old stock types sorry i cut you off there no worries i think he well what do you get like 30

03:36:07.180 percent 31 of the vote last election so i mean he's barely squeaking by like that you know um

03:36:13.360 the ppc i think they got like up to six percent or something some places they got like 10 or 11

03:36:19.320 um but my my vision of the ppc isn't that they're ever supposed to win my vision of them is that

03:36:27.220 they're supposed to keep the conservatives from cucking and it keeps the like they only steal

03:36:32.880 about like five percent of their vote but if they can steal that five percent because the

03:36:36.800 conservatives aren't being conservative that's a win because it forces them like guys like 0.99

03:36:41.100 erin o'toole who is like name is like the best name ever for this guy because he's a fucking 0.99

03:36:46.540 he's a fucking tool but he he was basically just justin trudeau but but apologizing for it 0.98

03:36:53.080 you know so he was even worse you know but my only concern is that i don't see the ppc even 0.98

03:37:00.320 having that effect anymore like i thought i did for a minute and i said the same thing i'm like

03:37:04.820 well it's here to represent a more extreme right voice that'll eventually pull the conservative

03:37:11.200 party a bit more to the right but i don't know are you seeing it i'm not seeing i i think i think

03:37:16.900 I mean, I think ultimately

03:37:19.200 Pierre is just

03:37:21.360 Pierre Polyev, he's just a

03:37:23.660 essentially just a liberal

03:37:25.440 but he's

03:37:27.360 less of a liberal

03:37:28.660 than O'Toole and he's less of a liberal

03:37:31.460 than Trudeau

03:37:33.380 so that's a win

03:37:34.520 I don't think it's going to really help much

03:37:36.920 but it's better than 0.99

03:37:38.740 the alternative, it's like, do you want a shit sandwich 1.00

03:37:41.320 or do you want a shit sandwich covered in vomit? 1.00

03:37:44.740 Yeah 1.00

03:37:45.040 They're not great

03:37:46.280 yeah like honestly i'm telling people like canada is such a mess now is the time to run an absolute 0.99

03:37:52.520 schizo canada can see the dawn of the you know much celebrated rapist hitler you could have a 0.98

03:38:03.140 rapist hitler in canada run for a party and i bet he'd do he can't do worse than what we got 1.00

03:38:10.620 now it's a blank canvas run a fucking guy with a knives for hands give it a fucking shot a tnd 1.00

03:38:19.640 party yeah yeah exactly well you could because you know i mentioned this um i forget where i was 0.99

03:38:27.320 mentioned maybe on the last live stream but there's this overwhelming sense in canada that

03:38:33.660 everything is fake everything like it would you know it's a very socialist country but there's

03:38:39.540 this feeling that government contracts are always overinflated the money isn't going where it's

03:38:45.940 supposed to be everything seems like a scam up here everything feels like misappropriation of

03:38:51.260 funds everyone kind of understands that when you see an aboriginal protest it's not actually the

03:38:56.840 aboriginals they're uh they're working hand in glove with someone else everything's like a

03:39:01.860 a cynical shakedown it seems no one's genuine and i i can't break that sensation that's like

03:39:09.020 everything here just kind of it sucks and it's fake and but with that it means that you can

03:39:14.740 kind of do whatever you want if no one really believes in anything if everyone is just it's 0.98

03:39:20.100 like this it's elite theory but a fun house mirror of it like you can probably try some weird shit 0.99

03:39:25.780 up here fuck we got an entire province that's owned by china that's pretty fucked up what can 0.99

03:39:31.180 we do about that montreal is owned by like five different organized crime places and everyone 1.00

03:39:37.020 knows it and no one gives a shit you know as we have a city here that's still owned by the mafia 0.87

03:39:42.380 that's pretty cool that that's let's do something with that let's have the mafia party i don't give 1.00

03:39:47.860 a shit if you told me that newfoundland was owned by russia i'd believe you it's either fake gay or 0.99

03:39:54.460 retarded that's like the trifecta here yeah like in in that in that trifecta you have to pick 1.00

03:40:02.260 retarded you know i'm done with fake at this point yeah at this point you gotta go with it 0.93

03:40:09.140 because within retarded you can find beauty with within retarded you can find the warriors of god 0.99

03:40:15.960 you're not going to find that in fake you're not going to find that gay i'll tell you that right 0.96

03:40:19.360 now yeah we want something real something real retarded i think that's probably a good place 0.91

03:40:25.880 end as any um i just want to remind people to check out your sub stack that is liquid swan

03:40:32.360 dot substack.com you also have your work on praxarchy.com and give him a look up on twitter

03:40:40.460 or x at liquid swan and did i miss anything there or any uh links of yours i do have a youtube

03:40:46.540 channel but i just do like dnd streams uh most most sundays uh at like 8 a.m pst so

03:40:54.760 so if we just look up liquid swan will we find that on youtube yeah it's very small it's like

03:41:00.500 100 i have like 122 subs or something like that it's really small but there's hours and hours if

03:41:05.880 you like dnd content man i got hundreds of hours of that all right everyone check that out um i

03:41:12.520 just want to thank you once again this has been a fantastic talk thank you for taking it down to

03:41:16.280 sit down with me today that was awesome thanks man thanks for having me all right talk to you

03:41:20.620 Maybe I hear the blues are calling, cause salads and scrambled eggs

03:41:24.900 And maybe I seem a bit confused

03:41:29.460 Yeah, maybe, but I got you, Peg

03:41:31.840 Ha, ha, ha, ha

03:41:33.940 But I don't know what to do with those dark times

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