Blood Satellite - Dondabert [＂no rizz lmao EVEN with me＂]

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be a

00:00:07.840 blood satellite i was just looking up whatever happened to monkey pox 0.86

00:00:21.980 monkey pox remember monkey pox yeah like the the uh the gay the gay pox i remember that 0.74

00:00:29.840 the child rape child rape dog rape box they didn't say that they just kept saying this is 0.71

00:00:36.640 largely affecting gay men and then in the periphery there seems to be a lot of dogs

00:00:42.140 and um children who seem to be getting it it was always dogs and i think we're gonna unravel this

00:00:47.800 in just a second um because i think a lot of people did forget about it but i think it's

00:00:52.700 important that it was always dogs because it was never cats right yeah it has to have something to

00:00:59.460 do because if we accept that it's sexually transmitted we said like what is it about dogs

00:01:04.500 that make them able to carry monkey pogs and they never answer that so it has to be some connection 0.87

00:01:09.760 between humans and dogs and you know don't fucking tell me that you know gay guys aren't 1.00

00:01:15.640 affectionate with their cats but they're not as affectionate in a certain way as they are 0.98

00:01:21.280 maybe with dogs i'll bet you it even affected breeds of dogs like it probably didn't yes

00:01:27.140 st bernards or shih tzus but it probably affected golden retrievers yes you're you're on the thing

00:01:34.120 so first of all they don't call monkey pox anymore i didn't get this firmware update oh no that's a

00:01:39.800 bad shouldn't say that in this context um i did but it's called m pox now m box m pox you know

00:01:53.060 they didn't even bother giving sounds like the brand name of a vaccine you know what there is

00:01:57.680 a vaccine that does sound like that it's called like no pox with two x's they just they really

00:02:05.340 just make this stuff up so i just came across the cnn headline so first of all mpox is almost

00:02:11.420 gone in the u.s leaving lessons and mysteries in its wake we can see here the different areas

00:02:19.060 of the country where this was an issue.

00:02:21.860 For instance, this very dark county here on the map

00:02:25.700 in the state of Washington is King County,

00:02:27.580 where the majority of the cases were,

00:02:29.200 as you can see, 76.3%.

00:02:31.280 We can look at the demographics in this sort of situation.

00:02:34.420 We can see here that the overwhelming majority were male

00:02:37.320 and a minority were female, only about 2.4% of cases. 0.58

00:02:41.500 You can see here that white was the race

00:02:44.220 that was most commonly seen.

00:02:46.360 And you can also see in terms of age,

00:02:48.280 where we were seeing most of the symptom onset in the 25 to 34-year-old age group.

00:02:55.820 We can click on vaccinations, and we'll see here that in the state of Washington,

00:02:59.900 almost north of 30,000 cumulative doses of vaccines were given.

00:03:06.120 But I'm curious as to exactly what it was that caused this outbreak to come down.

00:03:10.620 There's the vaccination aspect of it, but the amount of vaccinations only being about 30,000 in a huge population,

00:03:16.760 some would argue actually might be reduced because there's a high-risk group that may be

00:03:20.560 smaller in population okay and so this article by cnn we don't usually cite cnn but it was them

00:03:28.480 saying essentially what happened with monkeypox that's them asking that um and so here i just

00:03:37.200 want to read a couple things here there's this one paragraph that's it's a long article too

00:03:41.220 uh because that's to recount and recap everything but there's this thing right in the middle here

00:03:46.360 so mpox as a sexually transmitted infection actually you know what i'm gonna start with

00:03:51.640 the cdc i got a bunch of tabs open here i went i went down some kind of hole i shouldn't say that

00:03:58.820 either we're live all right so on the cdc.gov monkey box how it spreads and there's really

00:04:09.600 only one part here it says close or intimate contact it says direct contact with the rash

00:04:15.120 like it's it's based around the anus rectum or vagina oral anal or vaginal sex uh prolonged

00:04:21.780 face-to-face contact you know i mean so it's like it's a it's an std yeah and they can't they can't

00:04:27.960 really say that um but the and they're like oh mpoc can also be transmitted through pregnancy

00:04:34.240 i'm like yeah that's how that's how that works but um so back to the cnn article so it says

00:04:41.620 early on after the cdc identified men who have sex with men as being the highest risk of infection

00:04:48.360 by the way they don't use gay or homosexual anymore so people haven't caught on to that

00:04:54.400 it's men who have sex with men and they're trying to retire gay in in the context of anything like

00:05:01.780 this as if to say like men who have sex with men that could be anyone

00:05:06.080 we're not talking about gays we're talking about like uh a man man sex havers yeah yeah any anyone

00:05:14.460 can be a man who has sex with men it's funny because the word homosexual literally means 0.94

00:05:20.360 men who have sex with men like there is a word for that it's called homo 0.85

00:05:24.800 officials warned of close physical contact the kind that often happens with sexual intimacy 0.60

00:05:31.380 what a just a strange way of phrasing all this that's actually even darker because it's like

00:05:36.620 hold on are you are you kind of casting a light on the types of sexual contact that don't involve

00:05:42.760 intimacy like what would that be what would that look like non-intimate sexual contact arguably 0.76

00:05:48.000 most gay sex is not intimate that's true actually it is most gay sex is like a mugging yeah bath 0.95

00:05:56.320 house and butt stops yeah you go into central park at night it's you're going to get stabbed 0.99

00:06:01.380 either by a criminal or a you're going to be left saying but where was the intimacy

00:06:06.900 call me

00:06:09.920 after after a guy stabs and robs you it's like chivalry is dead i suppose

00:06:18.080 all right so here's where i wanted to get to uh but they stopped short of calling it a sexually

00:06:27.840 transmitted infection a move that some saw as calculated i just want to apologize to everyone

00:06:33.940 right now it appears that we've taken a left turn down a gay sex alley again that's not good

00:06:41.020 and we i we spent a lot of time on the last one about that i'm going to try and breeze past this 0.99

00:06:47.180 but it really is kind of funny they stopped short of calling an s sexually transmitted infection

00:06:51.960 a move that some saw as calculated quote um who's he quoting here uh some doctor in this outbreak

00:06:59.580 in this time and context in europe united states and australia was definitely sexually transmitted

00:07:04.580 people felt that if they called it an std from the get-go it was going to create a stigma and

00:07:12.680 because of the stigma of the type of sex that was occurring there may not have been the same kind of

00:07:18.520 federal response this guy says so it was actually a political calculation to garner the resources

00:07:24.400 necessary to have a substantial response to be vague about how it spread so this guy is saying

00:07:30.400 that the vagueness was by design um and here's the next part this ambiguity created room for

00:07:37.260 misinformation and confusion said tony hong huang executive director of equality california

00:07:44.800 he's quoted by saying i think there was a balance and a balancing dance that's a strange thing to

00:07:51.840 say a balancing dance balancing it sounds very chinese all right you see you get chinese guys

00:07:57.760 in charge of these organizations they start talking about teacup games they're talking oh

00:08:02.380 no he's talking about the chinese acrobats that's what he's talking about you gotta imagine them on 0.98

00:08:07.120 their little motorcycles with the flaming hula hoops are we thinking of the shriners or are we

00:08:11.980 thinking of chinese people i think i'm thinking of uh beyond the pines now you're thinking we're

00:08:16.780 thinking of everything it's it's a suit that what you've got here is a superposition of thought

00:08:22.160 okay uh okay uh we there was a balancing dance of not wanting to create stigma in terms of who

00:08:29.500 actually of who is actually the highest rates of transmission that's again weird way to say it

00:08:35.560 in terms of who is actually the highest rates of transmission

00:08:38.600 without being forthright.

00:08:42.020 The other guy thought the CDC could have done better on messaging

00:08:45.180 by being vague, non-specific information

00:08:48.120 and making comments like everyone's potentially at risk

00:08:50.760 or that kind of dilutes the message

00:08:55.400 and people who engage in risk behavior

00:08:57.400 that does not put them at risk get confused

00:09:00.280 and they'll say, well, maybe this isn't really the route of spread.

00:09:02.920 So basically it's two sides of people saying

00:09:04.820 this vagueness caused more harm to gay people but i guess the the root of what i'm seeing here even

00:09:11.620 reflected on the cdc site that we just quoted it's like they're intentionally trying to be vague

00:09:16.140 about how it was all gay men who were doing it and then there's one thing here that you scroll

00:09:21.400 down a bit the heading here is cases came down but why so there was a vaccine that was rolled out

00:09:28.840 and this whole article spends a lot of time talking about how the vaccine the effectiveness

00:09:33.180 was pretty low and you know funny enough they're talking this article is like it was an untested

00:09:38.600 vaccine nobody knew okay yep but they they after we get past that after the vaccine talk they're

00:09:44.940 talking about um the real reason that what might have caused this it's like it's so it's unlikely

00:09:51.820 that vaccination was the only reason for the steep decline in cases cdc modeling suggests that

00:09:58.240 behavior change may have played a substantial role too in an online survey of men who have sex with

00:10:03.760 men conducted in august half of the participants said that they'd reduced their number of partners

00:10:08.240 and one-time sexual encounters if that's the case some experts worried that the u.s could see monkey

00:10:14.160 pops flare up again when the weather warms so really what they're saying is gay men stopped

00:10:20.720 having as much gay sex so the numbers went down and now they're worried that my god once they 0.69

00:10:27.840 start having wanton unprotected gay sex again this will literally just come back that's what 0.70

00:10:35.380 this article is saying yeah here's the quote the party season was during

00:10:40.300 the the party season was during the summer during the height of the outbreak 0.69

00:10:45.840 well what do you expect them to do it's the party season this is just so fucking funny like i i know

00:10:53.380 no one really reads this right no one reads this far down no one reads the people who read this 0.80

00:10:58.080 article don't should don't read this article uh the ones who should but i'm just i'm laughing

00:11:02.840 and also here's another headline from the guardian just to wrap this up in a bow

00:11:06.420 um this was published uh just the february 21st 2023 so it's recent horrific form of

00:11:16.200 mpox found to affect people with advanced hiv so i'm just going to drop that there

00:11:21.820 it turns out that the worst the worst monkeypox cases are in gay men with aids 0.99

00:11:27.900 cool figure who who could have guessed 0.97

00:11:33.020 apparently it's still going on in africa too the who says like the because the big news was that

00:11:41.260 monkeypox came here but it's been in africa it is right in africa like decades right it's been

00:11:48.100 there for a long time yeah the article is basically saying yeah it never stopped 0.99

00:11:52.040 it's there's still all this this unprotected gay sex like i don't think africa really gets

00:12:00.760 noted as being the top gay continent and that's something i would like to push in this year 0.89

00:12:05.980 yeah i even want to say the word push frankly i'm disgusted get that word out of your mouth 0.50

00:12:14.160 I got to get no holes, mouths, none of that.

00:12:18.700 For 15 minutes, we're not talking about holes.

00:12:22.500 Put a timer on.

00:12:24.820 I'm going to move on to another story.

00:12:26.740 I'm going to move.

00:12:27.200 Let's lighten the mood.

00:12:28.060 Let's keep it light. 1.00

00:12:29.580 Let's talk about Africa.

00:12:31.660 Let's talk about America's comedian, Kevin Hart.

00:12:35.360 Okay.

00:12:36.220 You know, everyone knows Kevin Hart.

00:12:38.040 I might have even liked Kevin Hart a couple of times.

00:12:41.100 He's a little funny.

00:12:41.960 he's a little comma funny yeah um kevin hart's headline yahoo news kevin hart's egypt show

00:12:55.740 canceled after comedian reportedly made afrocentric comments about the country's history

00:13:01.540 so i'll tell you what happened actually i'm gonna get the actual quote here so the the concert was

00:13:09.500 coming up and kevin hart was quoted saying we must teach our children the true history of black

00:13:15.440 africans when they were kings of egypt and not just the era of slavery that is cemented by

00:13:20.860 education in america so kevin hart's trying to be you know talib kwali now he's trying to be most

00:13:26.460 deaf he's trying to be this is kevin hart doing a throwback to 90s conscious black guy no one's

00:13:34.140 having it um quotes do you remember the time when we were kings he asks as if that's just a question

00:13:41.300 to ask it's not the first time is it uh that kevin hart has been cancelled what happened this time

00:13:46.900 so this time uh apparently the although the show was supposedly cancelled due to local logistical

00:13:52.360 reasons so the production company came out just a few days ago and stated that this was the reason

00:13:57.500 that the show was cancelled but this came after egyptians and local arabs in cairo took to social

00:14:03.780 media criticizing kevin hart for promoting afrocentrism so what afrocentrism is is the

00:14:09.540 movement seeking to promote the history of black people played throughout history uh create towards

00:14:15.940 the creation of western civilization so now zaha watch would like to meet with kevin hart

00:14:21.620 to prove to him that the ancient egyptians were not black and did not build the pyramids i think

00:14:26.660 this will be a powerful debate if done right obviously we know that kevin hart is not an

00:14:31.460 archaeologists and Zaha Watts is looking for an easy win Kevin Hart if you are listening to this

00:14:37.060 I think I speak for all of us when I say please take one of our powerful scholars with you and

00:14:43.100 televise it so everyone can see one of the modern Egyptians most prominent archaeologists

00:14:48.500 get intellectual with dog walk in front of the whole world sometimes here's the because we always 0.87

00:14:54.640 tell people on the show you know we're the leading show for black white relations we tell 0.98

00:15:02.200 non-blacks we tell whites we tell the asians we tell everyone how to deal with blacks in the 0.97

00:15:07.900 modern day especially black americans and so our tip has always been treat them as if they have 1.00

00:15:14.080 schizophrenia because they do once you understand that everything makes a lot more sense what we 0.97

00:15:20.020 got here is kevin hart going onto the world stage talking to people who aren't really used to this

00:15:25.500 sort of bullshit that we're all used to here so he goes out there and says you remember the time

00:15:30.820 when we were kings of egypt that's an insane thing to say and that only makes sense if you

00:15:38.080 live in an insane society like we do and we're just used to it yeah we are we are frogs sitting

00:15:44.860 in the boiling water in the pot saying this is fine fine it's cold out there i don't want to be 1.00

00:15:52.900 out there in the cold um but he confronted with like a bunch of arabs who were like fuck you 0.99

00:15:58.760 come here and we'll stab you for saying that for even implying that we used to be black

00:16:04.660 they accused him okay many egyptians also criticized uh hart's financial backing of an

00:16:13.140 Afrocentric animation series by the company Black Sands Entertainment, which some have accused of

00:16:19.980 blackwashing ancient Egyptian history. I love this. I love that people are regular people who

00:16:27.160 we don't even like. I'm not here to be all about Egypt. I bet Egyptians don't even listen to this 0.96

00:16:32.300 show. But they're saying they're using Afrocentric, they're using blackwashing, and that just makes me 1.00

00:16:38.900 happening and i don't need to mean this is like the tides turning on anything i'm not trying to

00:16:43.540 shot call anything that's happening i'm just saying i like this i like kevin hart having

00:16:47.560 to cancel his concert because they said how dare you say we used to be black yeah this article in

00:16:53.340 particular is very amusing um because it tries to take his side says modern conceptions of race

00:17:01.460 and ethnicity such as black and arab did not exist primarily in the ancient world it's like

00:17:06.740 shut the fuck up uh scholars have long debated egyptians ancestry and physical appearances but

00:17:12.720 you know they're trying to be like well you know it's it's up for debate it's not and what you 0.88

00:17:17.780 what you got to do everyone is look up this article on yahoo news and check the comment

00:17:23.540 section my man it is all black people do we not have like genetics like genome studies of 0.80

00:17:31.340 and all these people i thought like that's been done for a long time yeah and they're not they're 0.60

00:17:36.620 not even remotely black yeah again we said treat people treat black people as if they're

00:17:42.460 schizophrenic and also understand black people don't read the news yeah yeah anything you anything

00:17:48.720 you know i promise you they don't know it's like the real i know dunning kruger is disproven but

00:17:54.320 like it's the real the real basis of dunning kruger that led to the theory is this idea that

00:17:59.000 when you know a lot you know so much that you start to forget the things you know and you take

00:18:03.200 for granted that everybody else knows those things and when you evaluate people about who you know

00:18:07.660 little you assume that they must know at least as much as your foundation of knowledge but the truth

00:18:13.560 is they don't they don't even know how to tie their fucking shoes they think that the pharaohs

00:18:17.820 were black which is insane it's just it's crazy that they're talking about nubia right this is 0.93

00:18:25.620 what they gesture to they say they've got one guy here gq tech he's talking about how nubia is older

00:18:34.060 than egypt now this is something we're going to get into maybe the next episode or the one after

00:18:38.200 that because we actually go into uh egyptian history a little bit um into the bronze age

00:18:44.100 actually and you know there was nubia nubia was a place it was owned by egypt and it was just used

00:18:50.780 is a giant mine like like nubia was a place but it was treated like every other place filled with

00:18:57.540 black people they said oh there's a bunch of apes here yeah that that's the egyptians that's not me 0.84

00:19:03.200 i'm i didn't say that i'm just saying that it was treated like oh we're just gonna get

00:19:06.980 gold from here but the attack for them to rewrite and say nubia like nubia is old certainly and i'm

00:19:14.180 sure the people were old as well ancient people but you see them try to somersault into all kinds

00:19:21.180 of other shit like so that means that we were actually you know each in a way egypt was nubia

00:19:26.460 it's like no you can't just say that even on the internet yeah yeah um and they're talking about

00:19:33.220 like kush so again i don't know how much of this is just like weed stuff but it's like they're

00:19:38.820 talking about like i know hindu is like the kush thing but now they're talking so get ready for

00:19:44.700 black people saying that they're indians too well that but isn't that like an like an indo-aryan

00:19:49.940 air it's like a mountain range in northern iran or something i thought is that what they're

00:19:54.000 talking about like it's way east of egypt like it's not even near africa like look if you think 0.61

00:19:59.340 all of that was black african where the fuck did the arabs come from did they just appear out of 0.55

00:20:03.780 nowhere like anyway that's that's kevin kevin hart's having bad and the article ends with like 0.87

00:20:08.420 he went to saudi arabia next so this was just a footnote on his world tour like shut the fuck up

00:20:14.020 you know i was wondering i hesitated to even bring this up but i'm wondering do we need

00:20:22.220 an update on scott adams watch yeah why not i mean an update on dilber watch

00:20:33.780 we can cover it quickly we can get a get a couple of dill burritos here and

00:20:43.600 relax and yeah i think dill burritos are coming back for people who don't know uh scott adams

00:20:49.700 tried to launch a burrito a frozen burrito product that would be available vegetarian

00:20:54.920 frozen burrito product that was vegetarian vegetarian yeah because he's a vegetarian

00:20:59.060 and it's dilbert themed dil burrito like straight such a strange gambit yeah i wish i had enough 0.97

00:21:07.180 money to just launch a retard product and just have it fail it's like designed to fail too like 0.94

00:21:14.980 the sort of people that like burritos and like shitty microwave food there's some overlap but 0.98

00:21:21.180 the people who like vegetarian food i don't think there's a lot of overlap there that's wild to

00:21:25.920 invest so much money into a product just for the world to tell you there's nobody else like you

00:21:32.920 you are alone the marketplace for this thing is you there's no connection you can draw 0.82

00:21:41.280 to another human being the mexicans are not a vegetarian people either no that that was invented

00:21:49.440 in california so now i know you got an interesting take on this because you are not

00:21:55.160 sold you don't have you don't carry any truck for what's happening with scott adams and for

00:22:00.180 people who don't know scott adams is experiencing a perfect storm of life circumstances that put

00:22:08.300 him on the brink of suicide and for this reason he has felt it safe i suppose to say that black

00:22:15.960 people steal yeah he we've covered him up until this point by you know quoting him about what he 0.93

00:22:24.400 said about his son-in-law who passed about you know the covid vaccination stuff he kind of lost

00:22:31.180 his mind for a while there then we followed up with him saying he wants to kill himself if he

00:22:37.260 if his life isn't better in a year he's going to end his life his wife left him so he seems to be

00:22:42.340 in a state i suppose on again on the edge of ending his life where i think maybe maybe it's

00:22:49.100 the wife maybe it's that maybe where he can speak truthfully on this this topic which

00:22:54.200 truly has destroyed his career he's lost his syndication oh man yeah it's over um i i think

00:23:01.380 it's kind of over um but also i think he was essentially retired i don't think he writes

00:23:06.280 dilbert comics so maybe he's he's cashed out i don't know um he's kind of old anyway but basically

00:23:12.760 he came out and said uh very again very reasonable very libertarian friendly points like the thing he

00:23:22.480 said was perfectly crafted to be palatable to your kind of centrist type person so he's basically

00:23:32.180 saying look here's a poll that came out i think it was in usa today or something but all we did

00:23:37.860 was ask very simple questions that should be uncontroversial and we are reporting on what

00:23:42.900 americans told us nothing more do you agree or disagree with this statement it's okay to be white

00:23:50.180 mind-blowingly or perhaps not the vast majority of american adults agree 72 and 58 strongly agree

00:23:58.340 only 12% disagree and only 6% of those strongly. Now 17% of Americans are not sure and that's a

00:24:05.780 pretty big number for a question like this which should be a simple question to answer. To me that

00:24:11.220 is the standout number. People berated or guilted so much that they won't anonymously submit a

00:24:17.380 response to an IVR call or an online survey. Men agree slightly more than women and younger adults

00:24:22.980 slightly less than older ones but here's race and there is a signal here white adults are much more

00:24:29.060 likely to say it's okay to be white which i think is very telling considering how much effort has

00:24:34.020 been put into convincing white americans that it isn't okay only seven percent of white americans

00:24:40.100 say it isn't okay to be white among black and hispanic and other race americans a decent majority

00:24:46.260 agree but look at those not sure numbers a meaningful chunk of minority americans aren't

00:24:51.620 sure if it's okay to be white the author of a popular comic strip provoked angry backlash after

00:24:57.540 controversial racist comments now the toronto star globe and mail and post media have become

00:25:03.220 the latest to drop the cartoon here's ctv's joy melvin once a comic strip star dilbert has been

00:25:10.020 fired after three decades of poking fun at workplace culture its creator scott adams says

00:25:16.580 he's been cancelled i got a call from my syndication company and they said uh we can't do business

00:25:23.940 with you we're done hundreds of newspapers are done dropping his comic strip severing ties

00:25:31.780 after adam's racist remarks last week on his youtube show where he referenced a right-wing

00:25:37.620 poll that asked people if they agree it's okay to be white a phrase used by white supremacists

00:25:44.340 if you know nearly half of all blacks are not okay with white people according to this poll 0.80

00:25:51.140 not according to me according to this poll uh that's a hate group the best advice i would give

00:25:57.380 to white people is to get the hell away from black people his comments ignited fury on social media

00:26:03.620 reactions swift and fierce by major publications so he had said look half of all black people 0.99

00:26:11.700 think it's not okay to be white so i'm going to act accordingly and not be around black people

00:26:18.440 because it's apparently a coin flip according to this poll from a mainstream source and if we're 1.00

00:26:24.360 agreeing that we ought to trust mainstream sources then it turns out that half black people don't

00:26:29.080 like white people so what do you do with that information yeah the only logical thing to do 0.99

00:26:33.100 is to get away from them and upon hearing this everyone lost their minds if so and also not

00:26:41.500 not only the things that he said but the way that he said it was so like radically neutral

00:26:48.860 like he went out of his way to make sure this could not reasonably be interpreted as racism

00:26:56.020 he was he was so factual about it i mean i would not i would not have been that factual but he was

00:27:01.980 he's this he's this boomer right and of course of the only people then that can get upset are

00:27:07.480 people who are going to be unreasonable about it because yeah that's what what he's saying

00:27:11.320 is if we have a poll a rasmussen poll that says that a majority of blacks don't think whites 0.68

00:27:17.260 should even live then it behooves whites to just not be around them we're not even saying judge 0.91

00:27:23.040 them we're not saying beat them up in the street we're saying walk to the other side of the road 0.80

00:27:27.380 when you see one that's all we're saying if you walk into a room and half the people in that room

00:27:33.900 make it clear that they hate you you'd say i better get out of here you better get out of here

00:27:37.700 yeah that's a lived experience that most people wouldn't encounter because that's an insane

00:27:43.620 experience but that is the experience you are living in right now yep you are living in this

00:27:49.200 insane hypothetical and uh and everyone knows how scott adams talks have you ever watched his

00:27:55.940 coffee with scott adams i don't agree with a lot of the things he says but i know his thought

00:28:02.600 process i know how he explains things i know him saying this the clip is probably 25 minutes of him

00:28:09.460 laying out the lot the process through which he came to this conclusion and he's good at that i

00:28:15.620 like i think more people should use that for him like he's calm he's relaxed he's like okay here's

00:28:21.180 the data here's what a reasonable person should do i'm i'm gonna chart for you my thought process

00:28:26.460 now point to me where in that process i am incorrect and that's where that's what he's

00:28:32.500 good at um and typically in the past i could actually point out i'm like i disagree with you

00:28:36.820 here and here because i disagree at these two points i cannot agree with your conclusion

00:28:41.180 but he actually gives you that ability so with this i'm like okay if he's wrong then you should

00:28:47.700 be able to look at the vector of his logical process that is incorrect and they can't so

00:28:54.140 what is the poll wrong is was the interpretation wrong was the phrasing wrong because the phrasing

00:29:00.840 of it's okay to be white was picked to force black people to real reveal their hand and i've

00:29:06.540 never seen any of them even address that like they're not there's no deflection there they walk 0.81

00:29:12.300 right over top of it like you don't seem to understand and what was the new one they said

00:29:16.800 like uh white white people deserve to live by the way everyone that's the new one so people

00:29:22.360 jot that down they they proved everything they can prove with it's okay to be white now it's like

00:29:28.000 let's go white people deserve to live yeah yeah and but the fact that like you said that phrase

00:29:35.620 had been chosen specifically like black lives matter it's the same thing as black lives matter 0.71

00:29:40.960 if you say when somebody says black lives matter and you say now hold on a second then you're

00:29:45.100 implicitly saying that black lives don't matter so we're just playing the same way when we say

00:29:48.840 when we say you know our our phrases like it's anyone's it's fucking ours is better because

00:29:55.060 ours is actually to the point more because we could act we could we could tumble and do a 0.80

00:30:01.760 what was the phrase uh balancing dance we can do a balance and dance if you want about like

00:30:08.260 what does matter mean what do you mean matter you know but yeah you could say like black lives matter

00:30:13.340 black lives matter is almost positivistic and then the other one is like the reverse it's just 0.65

00:30:18.920 saying you know we shouldn't you shouldn't do anything bad like black lives matter means you 0.77

00:30:23.180 should care about this and be active in in its defense and then you know white people deserve

00:30:28.820 to live just means please don't hurt us you know that's all that's all it's saying we're really 0.59

00:30:34.720 making them put their cards on the table with that and it's been highly highly effective and

00:30:39.260 there's an amusing comic it was not a stone toss one it's just an edit where it's like a bunch of 0.71

00:30:44.800 black people screaming at dilbert we hate you and he says all right i'm out of here turns around and 0.80

00:30:50.200 it's fucking the adl you just committed a hate crime now people will ask me what is this supposed 0.94

00:30:57.120 to reveal you know is this gonna red pill people will wake people up no i i'm not actually looking 0.94

00:31:04.280 for any result from this i i we've been vocal on this show that at this point awareness of the

00:31:11.300 problem is not really going to inspire anyone to action um i just i kind of like seeing this on

00:31:17.700 display i want to see what where it ends up i want to see where this goes i like seeing people

00:31:22.020 with the social capital and with the finance capital to weather this storm that was what was

00:31:29.720 we found so interesting about the kanye west example where look this guy is so connected this

00:31:35.800 guy has so many brand deals he's got so much money and cultural cachet can he weather this storm i

00:31:41.780 think he more or less did by this point adidas is thinking of bringing him back which is kind of

00:31:46.780 amusing but um you know people like us can get away because they can take so much from us like

00:31:52.100 let's see the guys who they can't take anything from how does this play out i have an idea of how

00:31:59.340 it'll play out but i i want to be surprised i want to see how far they can take this i want to see

00:32:03.900 how far they can take this without apologizing like if you have you know if you have a set

00:32:09.140 amount of money what is the amount of money you need to get away with something like this that's

00:32:14.280 kind of what i'm trying to wonder here like yeah what what practically for people who want to say

00:32:19.500 these things what other prerequisites to not have your life ruined so with kanye west it was being

00:32:25.400 worth a billion dollars okay so we know that be a black billionaire if you're a black billionaire

00:32:31.280 you can say it okay now there's old white retired guy you know we'll see like we'll see where where 0.91

00:32:39.140 he ends up i don't know but you know that's another type can you be white and get away with

00:32:43.080 this okay let's find different examples of people who actually go up against this system

00:32:47.640 and how what's the minimum amount of money we need to do this that's kind of what i want to

00:32:53.140 it's kind of hard to gauge what will happen with him because like what are you basing it what are

00:32:57.900 you referencing from are you referencing from the last couple of years because he was already

00:33:02.060 kind of a joke like he was already one of these guys who's only still in the public consciousness

00:33:06.880 because everybody on both sides is making fun of him all the time right nobody's actually taking

00:33:10.580 him seriously in a long time if ever so i don't know i mean he's got money because he owns the

00:33:16.320 licenses to this shit that's like on autoplay and a bunch of local news papers right so it's not

00:33:21.180 it's not like he had a lot of authority or or i don't know yeah you know what's funny

00:33:27.800 i'm probably one of the only guys in our you know sphere that actually just liked dilbert growing up

00:33:35.740 are you actually like dilbert i never read it i think a lot of guys they got into scott adams

00:33:42.120 because of trump um i was just like a young kid who liked dilbert so then when he was a trump guy

00:33:50.340 i'm like oh that's cool this this genius aligned with me politically awesome i actually liked to

00:33:57.160 i remember as a young kid and i don't know why i was just kind of fascinated with corporate life

00:34:02.440 it just seemed so strange to me because my dad worked in a corporate office when he was alive

00:34:07.060 and um he right up until the end and i just found that world fascinating and dilber was a weird

00:34:14.280 comic too it showed up in newspapers and didn't really fit in with the other comics because

00:34:19.140 everything else was a slice of life you know like kathy it's about your family stuff a lot of family

00:34:25.720 what's like raising a teenager and and marmaduke and shit and dilbert just didn't fit in with that

00:34:32.020 it was more like garfield in that it was kind of absurdist and he was in an office the characters

00:34:38.220 didn't really make any sense there's talking animals and there's always references to like

00:34:44.160 this almost like a borat country he made up a fake country in the comic just to make fun of

00:34:50.180 as being like a third world shithole i i it was a fake name but it sounded like albania

00:34:57.380 and and it was funny because like looking back i was thinking about this last night just laughing 0.79

00:35:04.040 at myself because it's like he smashed together a few different types of racisms to make this

00:35:10.060 fictitious people like my memory is that okay when they would cut to i'll it might have been

00:35:14.820 albonia or something but they're there and it's guys with big long beards black beards and really 0.93

00:35:20.940 tall gray hats and wherever they are they're waist deep in mud it's just a mud country and 0.99

00:35:28.940 they're they're not and they're just in living in mud huts and it's just this arid mud wasteland 0.99

00:35:34.340 so i'm like okay that's that's arab but also kind of african and also like eastern block like you

00:35:41.880 know like fall post-soviet collapsed country and like it just it was such a strange thing to see

00:35:49.700 in a comic anyway that's why i liked it just didn't make kind of like family guy i guess but

00:35:53.720 so this is me like as the only guy you know who's a dilbert fan yeah it's wild saying i i hope scott

00:36:02.120 could redeem himself i've not you know you you had a good take where you didn't you're not buying 0.68

00:36:05.980 any of this you're like fuck him still though right i yeah i mean i i reserve like forgiveness 0.77

00:36:14.000 for people who like mattered in the first place if that makes sense like if i was if i was his 0.87

00:36:19.220 friend or neighbor or or brother-in-law or something that'd be different but he's not

00:36:23.260 he's some fucking guy and he's been public that people like me just because my vaccine choices

00:36:28.420 should have my rights taken away so like i think he should be shot i mean i'm not gonna shoot 0.91

00:36:32.040 him i don't think anybody should shoot him but like if you were to be shot i would clap because

00:36:35.980 i think he's a bad person i don't care what his opinions are like today the fact the other thing

00:36:40.000 is kind of a kanya situation another similarity anyways is that he is on one day on one side of

00:36:46.920 the fence and on the the next day he's on the other side of the fence and it's like you can

00:36:50.840 say that he's like adapting or you could just say he's a fucking grifter or you could say he's

00:36:55.880 schizophrenic or whatever but the point is he's not a trustworthy or serious person anymore even if

00:37:00.040 i don't think he ever was to begin with but if you thought that before you shouldn't think that

00:37:03.360 anymore because he's now flipped completely and i don't it doesn't matter how genuine he is like

00:37:08.540 it's not he's not a person whose opinion should matter so yeah well because you know a fair

00:37:15.080 criticism of him would be he's just a high verbal iq bullshitter yes oh yeah my position is maybe i

00:37:25.380 like some high verbal iq bullshitters yeah maybe there's a place in society for a guy who never

00:37:31.540 admits he was wrong and just creates these labyrinthine logic pathways to figure out why

00:37:37.820 actually i was right the whole time i'm like you know what fine because it's it's it's crazy but i

00:37:43.820 can enjoy like watching him try and untangle the covid thing where it's like you know you you were

00:37:49.700 correct but you weren't right i'm like okay yeah take me take me down let's go let's take that one

00:37:56.100 for a walk yeah let's go let's see that one but maybe i'll learn something where i can be a better

00:38:01.500 bullshitter maybe i can use this on my wife see because guys you know people are always asking

00:38:08.460 dimes what's the key to a healthy marriage i'm sure they ask you the same thing uh the answer

00:38:15.900 is gaslighting yeah a b g o a always b b g gaslighting yes yeah i mean it's true it's i'm

00:38:31.420 from downtown so i continue no that's i had nothing else to say other than

00:38:37.020 i'm gonna get in trouble for this but yeah no she she hears it's like you said i should

00:38:44.960 you like gaslighting you're like no i never said that what are you talking about that's not what

00:38:48.860 that word means that's that no you you misunderstand um i never i never said that what are you talking

00:38:55.380 about i don't i don't have a podcast what are you are you drinking again

00:39:07.200 make make your wife convinced that she was the problem drinker i i i don't drink i haven't

00:39:15.340 yeah that's you by the way wife update quickly uh for the people who got their scorecards and

00:39:23.740 they're tracking oh nice hold on let me let me get my my scorecard out just a second all right

00:39:27.760 go ahead get get the dimes wife bingo card out okay so for the pregnancy related stuff something

00:39:34.840 that really ground my gears recently so uh as the woman approaches uh the delivery date you know

00:39:42.760 i didn't know this but women start to get contractions pretty early uh like test contractions

00:39:49.460 and they call them braxton hicks contractions and then your ob-gyn will say oh that's normal

00:39:56.820 it's kind of like your body getting ready and so i'm like okay what what do they call them braxton

00:40:01.120 hicks and they said well that's the person who coined the term the doctors and i'm like

00:40:06.480 this has been women have been having this for tens of thousands since since there's been humans

00:40:12.920 yeah they've been having this how the fuck do you get to just put your name on that it would be like

00:40:19.080 a doctor coining the term for sneezing yeah so have you heard of this do they have this

00:40:25.700 it didn't it didn't look to this type of no we have special pregnancies over there

00:40:31.080 no i remember hearing that phrase and it not striking me but yeah it is a little bit weird

00:40:35.160 because it's like it's just a contraction contractions are contractions right now

00:40:40.040 my guess would be that somebody named braxton figured out that these contractions on paper

00:40:47.680 in a like a diagnostical biological way are different they're obviously not different

00:40:53.960 appreciably to women or to normal people and have not been ever in millions of years

00:40:59.940 but um i guess they were to him in what 1965 so he probably got a grant to for some shit

00:41:08.560 i don't know there's no good reason i just googled did tony braxton invent pregnancy

00:41:15.480 the answer is yes chat gbt is that true hey chat gbt pull that up it's just her album stuff

00:41:23.780 uh anyway we'll figure this out later but everyone do do i'm not going to do deep dive

00:41:30.960 someone else do a deep dive give me the short dive yeah which which braxton i'm going to the

00:41:38.160 shallow end we're going to figure out which braxton invented pregnancy this is a podcast

00:41:43.180 about wallowing around in the shallow end you don't want to see me going into the depths speaking

00:41:49.380 on which so i'll just i'm gonna spend a little bit of time on this because i got in trouble

00:41:54.840 recently for talking about video games on the podcast i got in trouble with faust faust we've

00:42:01.700 had on the show oh lovely man i had gone it seemed like six months without him saying that he wants

00:42:10.480 to put me in a headlock and pop the eyes out of my skull and i was on a real hot streak with that

00:42:17.320 and then he hears he's listening to the show he hears that we're talking about video games and

00:42:20.540 he's he's coming in hot he's saying he's coming for me dimes well he's blaming me at first you're

00:42:25.720 the one who's going off about the forest last week how many of my opinions have been misattributed to

00:42:31.780 you most of the most of the bad ones what they're gonna say is oh you guys should introduce yourselves

00:42:39.040 or say what the show is and say like what you're doing here and what people can expect i say take 0.92

00:42:45.800 a fucking hype my name is dimes by the way and this is no don't listen to him this is judas over 0.93

00:42:52.560 here who i'm speaking well i guess i got news for you pal it's opposite day so i put the kibosh on 0.98

00:42:57.480 that dominating it's a good thing this is opposite day otherwise that would have been real fucking

00:43:03.440 confusing yeah we're good i think i think we cleared everything up there so i talked about 0.68

00:43:09.580 the forest gone trouble with one of my dearest friends who's unironically dutch and it's probably

00:43:17.920 going to lead them to the promised land one day and now he's now now i'm in his crosshairs so i'm 1.00

00:43:23.660 going to talk about not going to talk about the forest what we are going to talk about is sons of

00:43:28.200 the forest the sequel to the hit game of the forest the sequel to the hit game the forest

00:43:33.500 so i beat the forest uh by the end of it i just built such an imperium that it just became not

00:43:42.020 fair i was just once you get into the trees and build all your tree forts they can't get up there

00:43:46.780 and i'm just like lobbing arrows at them so i start sons of the forest great game um way way

00:43:54.300 better graphics far exceeds what the other one was well the forest is almost like 10 years old

00:43:59.180 isn't it i think it's pretty old it's pretty old it looked very good for when it came out too

00:44:03.440 um this one looks way way better um and there's a lot of changes some of them i don't know if i

00:44:10.240 like but i'm just gonna i'll give you the brief rundown so same kind of setup crash land on an

00:44:15.960 island i think it's the exact same island but it's way way way bigger it looks far more gorgeous

00:44:22.200 like if you this will sound stupid for people who don't like video games i get it but when you walk

00:44:27.960 through this it feels like a forest it feels like you are walking through an untamed forest just the

00:44:34.520 the way it's hard to describe but it's how the ground is like the like it's not flat it's way

00:44:41.900 hillier and every i they probably modeled it after a real forest but the tree placement

00:44:46.760 it's it's stunning but um the difference is in this one you're a soldier and so your helicopter

00:44:55.220 goes down um and so rather than before like you were just a no nothing dad who's throat thrust

00:45:03.420 into a crazy situation and you got a it's like hatchet if anyone ever read that book hatchet

00:45:08.720 um so you got but now you're a soldier so you've got you got mres um within like the first couple

00:45:16.220 days i've got a gun i found a gun so i'm like well that's before you had to make bone axes and and

00:45:22.660 and put make spears the sticks into spears and stuff and this like you you get a lot of good

00:45:28.280 equipment right away and you get a friend to help you um and also i don't know if this works for

00:45:36.080 or against it so in the survival aspect i mean so in the first game you had to boil water to drink

00:45:43.580 it right but that never that's and be like oh that's so realistic but it's like why would i

00:45:48.960 need to boil water i get from like a stream like it's not going to be clean but in a pinch you can

00:45:54.140 drink drink water from a babbling brook yeah it's very gamey yeah and so gamey as in video game you're

00:46:01.580 gamey like you're eating you're like oh no i mean i see yeah well it's both but i mean gamey as in

00:46:06.660 it's like they're adding features to give you one more thing you have to like toy with but it's not

00:46:11.480 like it's realism it's just hey now you're sick you're gonna die in four minutes if you don't

00:46:16.140 get antibiotics because you licked a rock like that's not how it works in real life you can 0.76

00:46:21.080 lick as many rocks as you want i'm licking rocks all the time the government can't stop you 0.51

00:46:25.080 a lot of people don't know this but the rocks are free they're free i've got so many rocks i my my 0.73

00:46:33.020 marriage is on the rocks it's all all rocks all the way down right it's rocks marriage on the

00:46:40.960 rocks all the way down baby i'm talking fractals um but yeah that was one of the things where i'm

00:46:47.300 like oh man you don't even need to boil the water in this one i'm like well why would you

00:46:50.780 if you're drinking water from a pond maybe but a beautiful babbling brook uh no and then i will

00:46:59.800 say that the mutant design in this is way creepier so in the first one you had your cannibals and if

00:47:06.300 you go into the caves you have kind of like pale blue cannibals just because they're you know they

00:47:11.500 don't get out a lot and this one when you go in the caves you meet those pale blue ones but they 0.99

00:47:15.500 don't have eyes now like they just they were raised in a cave and they look fucking freaky

00:47:21.600 and then you first stumble across them and you got your flashlight they can't really see light

00:47:26.480 that well so you see them like stumbling in the dark it looks like a silent hill game frankly

00:47:31.380 i'm like jesus christ they really upped their game on this one um and now they can climb trees

00:47:38.580 which made sense like why couldn't they before so you'll see them like scuttle up trees and you'll

00:47:43.540 see them that they cover themselves in mud so like you'll be walking around and one will jump 0.61

00:47:48.540 out of the fucking bushes at you it's like again why would that's realistic the fact that they 0.75

00:47:53.780 stalk you way way better this one um yeah and it's less like randomly gruesome and that's you 0.75

00:48:03.120 know in a way there's less like effigies and human bodies around so i think they ramped up the

00:48:07.480 realism um but it's still in early access so it's not even finished yet but i would recommend doing

00:48:14.160 it um and and you might like this because building is a lot harder too because before it was almost

00:48:20.200 like um like like fallout 4 or something where like you pick a building and then you you make

00:48:27.520 a little ghost of it and then you just kind of throw resources in it this if you want to like

00:48:31.700 make a fire for example you don't just select fire from men you put it on ground and then it

00:48:36.800 kind of makes fire you actually have to get get two sticks look at the ground hit the button to

00:48:42.560 break the sticks in half then place stone like find stones place the stones around it then light

00:48:49.160 the fire and like if you want to build a wall like you need cut down the log take the log over

00:48:54.720 place it in the ground in a certain way and then like hack off the top to make it sharp

00:49:00.300 that sounds tedious it's you act the trick is you have this cohort with you this guy uh who like

00:49:09.460 survived the helicopter crash with you and you can give him orders like go collect like ai yeah

00:49:14.240 oh that's cool yeah like literally like go collect logs bring them here and then you can just leave

00:49:19.180 him to go do that so they went to all the trouble of putting all of these really complex things in

00:49:23.440 and they're like but we're gonna give you an ai npc he's gonna do it for you you just watch 0.72

00:49:27.440 well i got good news for you he's very stupid 0.93

00:49:30.300 and they took and upping the brutality of killing the cannibals like i killed i went into like one 0.93

00:49:40.320 the cannibal villages and they're terrible like they got body parts everywhere i kill one of the 0.91

00:49:44.880 guys after he attacked me then i saw his wife run up to his corpse and start crying and kneeling

00:49:50.400 over it i'm like oh no and she's like like screaming in in anguish so i had to kill her

00:49:59.960 obviously yeah i mean that's fair yeah but then it's like yeah they mourn each other they mourn

00:50:06.100 their their dead uh fellow tribesmen and you get a sense that oh that was his wife and that's his

00:50:12.000 daughter i think like weird shit like that so i'm like saying this as you're killing them 0.69

00:50:17.860 yeah you're shooting at them well also because they're eating people and just like murdering 0.61

00:50:22.740 people and like putting their heads on you can tell like a lot of people they killed were just

00:50:27.060 like tourists or missionaries so i don't feel bad but that's i guess the the conflict you get

00:50:32.660 into when you crash land on an island

00:50:34.320 looking for a missing

00:50:36.160 CEO. Anyway.

00:50:38.860 Enough of that.

00:50:40.300 No one likes video game corner.

00:50:42.440 You know what they do like?

00:50:45.200 Movie corner?

00:50:46.820 Yeah.

00:50:47.580 They like a little bit of movie corner. 0.97

00:50:54.420 Shut up! Shut up! 0.81

00:50:56.020 Shut up! Shut up! 1.00

00:50:56.860 Shut up! Shut up! 1.00

00:50:59.200 I saw this show recently.

00:51:00.600 I think you would like it.

00:51:01.440 um it's it's a show it's not a movie but movies are basically shows 0.99

00:51:05.840 um you know movies like a retard show in a lot of ways 0.92

00:51:10.880 it's this show with christopher christoph waltz everyone's favorite actor you know him right 0.79

00:51:18.020 oh yeah of course so it's this show called the consultant it's based off of a book which is

00:51:24.680 usually a better sign because it's on amazon prime we don't have a good track record for

00:51:29.920 things but it's based off of kind of a horror book and this movie works this show works rather

00:51:36.000 because it's it's like a game it is like a video game kind of like the force in this you never you

00:51:41.980 know when you play a game and it's so disjointed and janky but that actually makes it more fun

00:51:49.100 that's kind of what this show is all right that that there's like there's certain plot holes and

00:51:54.920 certain things that are dumb but the dumb things make it way more magic we work for the most

00:52:01.880 successful mobile game studio in los angeles but suddenly our ceo is gone and then he arrived

00:52:15.960 so who's a suit he's a consultant good morning comrades my job is to observe to streamline

00:52:24.920 to improve he's firing ian says he doesn't like the way he smells bow your heads

00:52:32.420 and pray for him how are you enjoying the gaming industry how many of these patrons

00:52:40.520 do you think we could fight i think i could fight for them and you could subdue the remaining three

00:52:46.960 a mobile phone game company

00:52:50.860 run by this young

00:52:53.140 South Korean guy

00:52:55.000 and the two principal actors

00:52:57.440 it's like guys I've seen

00:52:59.380 they're kind of like mystery meat people

00:53:01.060 it's a girl who could be Egyptian 1.00

00:53:03.020 big eyebrows 1.00

00:53:05.020 as that 1.00

00:53:06.220 Egyptian girls have a 1.00

00:53:08.400 have like a dark 1.00

00:53:10.760 sultriness about them 0.86

00:53:12.860 like their sexuality 0.99

00:53:14.700 is is it breathes a cult so that's what i get from like an egyptian because that's why i think

00:53:20.980 she might be egyptian and then there's the guy i've seen him in other stuff he was the son in

00:53:24.700 hereditary so but he looks like he could be italian some kind of you know med guy um but they

00:53:34.620 they work there so one day um the founder of the company young south korean guy he has a bunch of

00:53:44.140 kids come in to visit him uh just as a career day thing uh the main girl is like his assistant

00:53:51.160 lets the kids in one of the kids shoots the guy dead then they think the company's over oh my god

00:53:57.500 it's going to close down our enigmatic founder has been killed this guy by christopher waltz shows up

00:54:03.340 he he's a consultant he was hired on before the south korean guy was killed and his job is to make

00:54:11.360 the business better and it turns out it's true this guy signed the company away to this guy so

00:54:16.620 he's the new boss he's in charge no one knows who he is what the fuck he's doing there he's a really

00:54:20.660 weird guy um and the the theme of the show is i think we're supposed to hate this guy but i think

00:54:28.480 if you watch this show you would like him because he comes in he's very pleasant but he's quirky

00:54:34.840 and he's got like a name that um it's it sounds like a fake name it turns out that his name is

00:54:41.200 fake um it's like am prot something it's like american patent office combined into one name

00:54:50.140 like it's a name he saw on a sign right yeah yeah and uh there's all these points where it seems

00:54:55.940 like he's affiliated with some kind of mafia he's from uh switz he's from russia he's they found out

00:55:03.900 He's like some, some foreign guy. Right. And, uh, he gets in, he starts rolling.

00:55:08.980 There's this scene. This is where I think you would like him where he's like,

00:55:13.180 hello everyone. You know, I'm here, uh, to everyone who's working remotely.

00:55:17.480 You have one hour to get here or you're fired to the wonderful faces.

00:55:23.800 I see below. Thank you for being an important part in comp where success.

00:55:29.260 I'm looking forward to getting to know you all personally.

00:55:33.900 You're valued.

00:55:37.600 And for those who work remotely,

00:55:41.900 you have exactly one hour to get here in person

00:55:45.420 or your contracts of employment will be terminated.

00:55:51.460 That's all.

00:55:54.360 Then they get there, he says,

00:55:55.920 the hour's up, he goes and he locks the door.

00:55:58.660 Who is the woman he locks out? 1.00

00:56:01.000 A fat black woman in a wheelchair. 0.99

00:56:03.900 i love this guy and he's talking to the assistant she's like you have to let him in he's like

00:56:09.320 why how is she different than any other employee she's like i suppose she's like she had

00:56:15.260 transportation and walks away like pointing at her wheelchair yeah yeah awesome this guy's

00:56:21.500 killing it um and he's just weird like he's cutting he's cutting heads trying to make it

00:56:25.620 profitable but he has all these things like so what do we make here what do you mean like what

00:56:31.760 do we produce what's our service it's like mobile games he's like and people pay for this like he

00:56:37.080 just doesn't know what the company does like he just showed like what the fuck um and then they 0.63

00:56:41.460 find video footage of when he visited the company uh because the south korean guy had like cameras

00:56:49.300 installed because he's really paranoid um and there's the guy walks in and they see him they

00:56:53.720 can't hear anything they see him meeting and then for some reason he saw they see him sign the 0.84

00:56:58.340 contract and then he immediately starts sucking the christoph waltz guy's dick on camera in his 0.87

00:57:05.580 office and what the fuck like it gives you a bunch of mysteries like what the fuck is going on 0.64

00:57:10.380 um i can tell you what happens it's actually kind of interesting and this is kind of what i wanted 0.58

00:57:15.400 to talk about because the premise of the show is is really interesting so what happened was

00:57:22.340 um and this is revealed in flashbacks that the company was losing money the company was about

00:57:27.660 to go bankrupt it had maybe two months left of runway before it was gone and then this guy shows

00:57:33.860 up and he says i'm offering a service i and i know for a fact that your company is tanking he's not 0.84

00:57:40.580 supposed to know that he's like and i know for a fact you were about to kill yourself the other

00:57:44.540 night he's like you were on the edge of your balcony about to jump but you didn't jump why

00:57:50.000 didn't you jump because you were concerned about your legacy you didn't want to be a failure you

00:57:54.620 don't want your company your name to fail and then he's speaking and it's true everything he's saying

00:57:59.160 is true and he's like i'm going to offer you a service i'm going to sign this here it costs you

00:58:04.960 nothing i will come in if in the event of your death i take over the company and i'll turn it

00:58:11.000 around you know i'll save your legacy and he's thinking what do i got to lose signs it and he's

00:58:17.080 like okay i'll start in two weeks he's like basically he's like you know you have you're

00:58:22.360 going to be dead in two weeks i'm going to make sure you die and then but that the trick is that 0.88

00:58:28.100 the he still wants to die the south korean guy wants to die because he's like you're not because 0.99

00:58:32.740 you the company is going to fail in two weeks now i can kill you if you want but i charge extra for 0.89

00:58:40.800 that and that's where the the blow job comes from but like the idea that he does this at a bunch of 0.83

00:58:46.780 different companies because they find a different company did this and what i liked about it was

00:58:50.440 Like he's targeting these high level CEOs, usually people who are in over their head and egotistical and narcissistic and try and offering them a way to save their legacy.

00:59:03.420 But it's just this idea that it like I kept thinking about this, like how many of these tech CEOs are suicidal?

00:59:11.700 How many of these tech CEOs are overwhelmed and willing to trade it all in just so that, you know, their legacy could survive?

00:59:19.260 and that was the heart of the show and there's a lot of weird stuff here's one weird thing that

00:59:24.320 happens in the show that becomes a couple episodes uh this guy replaced all of his bones with gold

00:59:30.780 bones what what with the korean guy or the christoph the christoph guy he replaced and

00:59:40.120 they find they tracked down this guy who like makes gold things and they made he was like the

00:59:45.880 best one around they they made him over the course of a year make each bone individually and there's

00:59:51.680 all these like hints that this guy like for example like when he gets there for some reason

00:59:57.760 he can't go up or go downstairs and it's just this quirky thing he needs people to help him

01:00:03.180 walk up these big staircase but he doesn't look crippled because his bones are made of gold his

01:00:08.560 bones are made of he's got gold bones yeah he'd be dead though i mean because you need bones to 0.97

01:00:13.360 produce blood but whatever you've got gold bones you figured out a way that's retarded is that 0.97

01:00:19.820 what bones do they they produce blood yeah yeah blood comes from the marrow of your bones i 0.89

01:00:24.580 believe so like if you if if you replace too many bones or you not like missing bones but you have

01:00:29.640 the same body mass you have like blood problems i'm not saying it's the best show in the world

01:00:35.180 i'm saying it throws that shit at you and once it started throwing that at me i'm like this is

01:00:41.440 the most fun i've had watching a show in a long time yeah i might watch that that sounds all right

01:00:46.740 i was loving it and it it does this thing and people this is where people say it's not a good

01:00:51.780 show that it leaves you it uses these tricks that seem suspenseful but they don't really mean

01:00:57.820 anything that's the stuff i like like for what they build up this suspense they're trying to

01:01:02.820 find out where he lives and they had like a tracker put on his phone uh by accident but

01:01:07.660 then they use it later and they they trace his steps where he went every day and it was just

01:01:13.280 this like port-a-john at the top of a desolate hill outside the city and so it was just like

01:01:19.880 he drives 45 minutes up here every day to take a shit and he pushes it over and it is it's not

01:01:27.640 like a secret anything it's like and they just leave that there i'm like i just like that that 0.67

01:01:32.820 was included like every day this guy with gold bones takes a shit outside of the city limits 0.66

01:01:39.500 and drives like in the middle of fucking nowhere to do this had meant nothing to the plot i just 0.72

01:01:46.440 love that it was there i love there's all these little strange things about him what took you so 0.85

01:01:52.660 long i drove in from the valley can't you live closer i share an apartment with two struggling

01:02:01.780 actors it's pretty much all we can afford we have a records room of course every company i ever

01:02:09.600 consulted at has a records room i i just assumed everything was on the server saying promise we

01:02:16.960 were carbon neutral you can learn so much from these files for example did you know that the

01:02:22.660 average age of compware employees is 27 you're 27 that the average level of education is a

01:02:29.940 bachelor's degree? Do you have a bachelor's degree? That the average salary is $62,000?

01:02:36.880 Sadly, you earned just a hair under. You called me in at 3 a.m. in my sweatpants to tell me that

01:02:45.820 I'm average. And also their portrayal of a tech company was very, very accurate. There was no

01:02:54.440 feminist stuff really there was no woke stuff uh when it portrayed uh developers and programmers

01:03:02.220 it seemed accurate like they weren't just like it wasn't didn't look like it was written by a woman

01:03:07.100 like making them smelly creeps or they're like misogynistic no they're actually pretty cool

01:03:13.180 you know they're not outwardly you know enigmatic or anything but they're just like

01:03:17.240 you know everyone there seems normal and maybe that's my lowered expectations but

01:03:22.280 i'm like i've never seen a tech company portrayed in a way that this reminds me of places that i've

01:03:28.080 worked you know what i mean and i'm like i've just i've never seen that i'm like that's refreshing

01:03:32.380 to me um it's not really a happy ending either like he survives like he just kind of walks away

01:03:39.320 it almost the show makes him seem like a good guy that's what's so fucking funny about it

01:03:44.020 but uh yeah i mean he plays mind games with people he does weird stuff like

01:03:50.000 there's kind of like a power play between various people and like one guy takes the day off sick

01:03:56.740 and lies about it because he's tracking down the christopher waltz guys uh past and the christopher

01:04:02.980 waltz addresses the whole company makes it he's like he's out sick let us pray for him it makes

01:04:08.020 it sound everyone thought he was like dying of cancer and he just came back and was like man i

01:04:12.620 thought you were dying again didn't mean anything just a funny weird thing to have the show's full

01:04:19.740 of that anyway i can't recommend it enough like it's the only thing out right now that

01:04:23.600 seems halfway interesting anyway all right i might watch that that sounds pretty good

01:04:28.680 it's eight episodes i think they're half an hour each it's not even that much of an investment

01:04:33.560 frankly um you'll be hooked right away just just by his character alone and the fact that he's not

01:04:41.280 even really a villain you can have i like characters like that it's like a cormac mccarthy

01:04:46.960 character it's like you're not even really a villain like is anton sugar and no country for

01:04:53.020 old man a villain no not really there's a judge from blood meridian kind of but like

01:05:00.100 the more you learn about them the more the less villainous they seem and they just seem

01:05:05.040 otherworldly or different like you're you're operating in a different wavelength than i am

01:05:10.500 yeah and that is simultaneously frightening but also entrancing and i think that's a good villain

01:05:16.960 um i was going to talk about a quick news thing too canadian news we're a real country

01:05:24.000 so i wanted to ask you something because we've been talking about this

01:05:28.320 on and off again and i know we're not going to leave or ever abandon canada i know that

01:05:34.720 would we be open to relocating to alberta what do you think at some point in the future i i'm

01:05:42.780 much more open to that than uh relocating anywhere else if i was going to relocate to one place

01:05:50.240 would either be there or maybe one of the maritime provinces but yeah i would rather not i would

01:05:57.300 rather like i'm in my head my long-term plan is not just staying in my province but staying in my

01:06:03.920 specific region like in two or three counties in this area because it's my area like and i i mean

01:06:11.440 And I want to keep to my word, and I do fundamentally believe that Canada, North America, these countries should not be this big.

01:06:19.920 Even the provinces and states are themselves too big.

01:06:22.180 I think something like what we call regions here, like five or six counties, seems like a better way to administer regions like this.

01:06:32.260 So, yeah, I want to work towards autonomy for regions and for counties.

01:06:38.560 And these are my counties.

01:06:39.960 These are my people.

01:06:40.640 so i don't really want to but to your question if i had to move alberta would be one of my topics

01:06:45.900 yes here's a headline from global news alberta to introduce bill to include federal officials

01:06:54.180 and trespassing rules yeah i saw that that's awesome oh yes that is carte blanche to fire

01:07:04.400 on cops my friends well i don't it's a it's a hop skip and a jump to firing it's not quite there but

01:07:11.200 yeah it's close perhaps i oversold it perhaps i immediately oversold

01:07:18.700 okay alberta's government house leader is accusing federal officials of trespassing

01:07:28.240 on private property but the provincial justice department said there's no evidence of that

01:07:32.880 occurring um basically they're they're trying to pair this this is all about guns first of all

01:07:39.840 this is all about alberta pushing back against the federal government who are increasingly trying to

01:07:47.760 confiscate people's weaponry so alberta has taken a stand saying that we don't want you grabbing our

01:07:54.800 guns and i think they're they're trying to take a position that we we want ultimately what they

01:08:03.160 want is federal officials to think twice about just rolling up on people's houses essentially

01:08:10.180 that's what this is because people can nitpick about what's the purpose of this why are you

01:08:14.380 proposing it you know are there any instances of a a cop or a mountie or anyone unfairly you know 0.83

01:08:22.360 what it doesn't fucking matter this bill is to make cops think twice about fucking with you 0.88

01:08:29.420 yeah that that is all it is that's all it needs to be and that's all the explanation that anyone

01:08:34.900 really fucking needs and it's about guns it's about whatever the fuck it's about that the cops

01:08:41.440 can't just roll up on you and pressure you you know they can't just they can't just walk in your

01:08:47.580 fucking front door which is what i think they're thinking they're imagining that they'll start 0.83

01:08:52.580 doing soon because you know alberta has a lot of gun owners frankly so and alberta is the only

01:09:00.700 province i see doing that you know we can all bicker all day about whether or not this is

01:09:06.060 practical whether or not it's going to win whether or not the conservatives are as far right as we

01:09:11.740 wish they would be it's just a good thing that i wish we saw more of and i i can only see it

01:09:17.400 happening alberta i can't see this happening in ontario the only thing that works for ontario

01:09:22.420 is that it is the it's it's the central house of bureaucracy and kind of like washington dc

01:09:30.200 that once you get enough politicians and the actual lever pullers in society in one place

01:09:37.940 they don't like any of the stuff they propose either they they do that for the peasants so

01:09:43.480 in an odd way like washington dc and ottawa is a good place to get away from the actual shit that

01:09:50.000 they are trying to put into law yeah that's the only thing that might help us is that you know

01:09:54.980 no politician wants to you know they don't wear masks in their parties they don't they didn't

01:10:00.840 abide by any of the covid stuff they it's the rules for me not for me so some what i'm saying

01:10:06.500 is the worst shit the liberals try and plan might not even happen in ontario where it will happen

01:10:12.400 is in bc that's another headline here you talk about british columbia british columbia will

01:10:21.220 decriminalize up to 2.5 grams of hard drugs drug users say that the threshold won't decriminalize

01:10:28.480 them so this is a headline on the cbc this article is essentially saying that yes we're allowing

01:10:35.340 we're decriminalizing cocaine possession.

01:10:40.260 Cocaine possession up to 2.5 grams.

01:10:44.320 Many here didn't know today was the day.

01:10:47.620 I heard about it.

01:10:48.680 I wasn't sure when it was coming to effect.

01:10:51.200 Living on the streets for three years,

01:10:52.860 Sarah MacDonald calls the move a start,

01:10:55.020 especially since police will stop seizing small amounts.

01:10:57.900 Definitely prevent a lot of crime

01:10:59.900 because when it gets taken,

01:11:01.480 then people have to do more things, whatever,

01:11:03.840 to get it so and the more desperate people are the more risky and stupid

01:11:10.500 things they're gonna do. Ottawa says it granted BC's request to

01:11:15.000 decriminalize in the hopes of reducing overdoses. On average more than six

01:11:19.260 people die every day in BC. We will be able to reduce the stigma the fear and

01:11:24.900 shame that keep people who use drugs silent about their use or using alone

01:11:30.280 and help more people access life-saving supports and treatment that's not nothing i mean they're

01:11:38.700 like oh but i'm still gonna but i want to have 12 grams you want to have 12 grams because you're

01:11:42.900 throwing a party but like i mean two and a half grams is it's a good amount of cocaine it's a

01:11:47.420 good amount of coke yeah yeah so like and they're like well that's not enough that's not enough for

01:11:52.320 the the average coke user yeah two and a half is not the amount that you would complain about if

01:11:57.280 somebody who's going to give it to you for free yeah canadians 18 canadians 18 years of age and

01:12:03.720 older will be able to possess up to a cumulative 2.5 grams of opioids cocaine methamphetamine or 0.74

01:12:11.160 mdma so like what what's 2.5 grams of like mdma pills that's a lot of fucking pills i think right

01:12:19.140 because those pills are pretty light um so they're the argument is well that's you need to allow

01:12:25.460 higher higher amounts for this to like which is such an interesting problem of modernity which

01:12:33.900 is yes we're decriminalizing drugs but not the amount of drugs we need to survive in this city

01:12:39.620 that's the real problem bulk buying spread of fentanyl means entrenched drug users carry more

01:12:48.560 than 2.5 grams like again it's like carrying on you like 2.5 grams of coke just carrying around

01:12:55.220 in your pocket still a decent amount i'm fucking sorry it is yeah uh at 4.5 there's talking about 0.61

01:13:03.460 one guy kevin yake vice president of vancouver area network of drug users at 4.5 grams i thought 0.85

01:13:11.340 that was low 2.5 grams i think that's just ridiculous so he he wants it to be at least

01:13:17.560 five grams that's what he like 4.5 grams of you should be able to have five grams of coke on you

01:13:23.860 every single day otherwise what the fuck are we doing here 0.79

01:13:28.060 kind of a city is this what kind of fuck you numbers 2.5 grams they're pissed at me 0.93

01:13:35.380 they're pissed at all of us and i hate to sound like a boomer on this but i'm like 0.83

01:13:42.960 really though your taxes pay for this yeah yeah and people want to say you know where's this going

01:13:51.160 Because the decriminalization of drugs also leads to the decriminalization of crime, or at least the non-incarceration of crime.

01:14:00.060 So people want to see where this goes.

01:14:04.100 You know, where does this end up?

01:14:05.440 Well, we can look to America.

01:14:07.560 I'm looking at an article here from the New York Post.

01:14:10.820 This was a recent report released by the FBI, actually.

01:14:16.760 so headline here u.s murderers stand at 50 50 50 percent chance of getting away with it new report

01:14:27.300 finds and they're saying that only around 50 percent of reported murders actually get solved

01:14:34.300 the rest are cold cases the the the load of the cases the case load is too heavy so

01:14:40.360 just you know you can look at the numbers the report will have it in different terminology

01:14:44.600 but if you parse through it it's like that means it's a fucking coin flip if you kill someone it's

01:14:50.000 a coin flip if you get away with it because there's so much of it and also the drive to like

01:14:56.380 pursue certain races ethnicities and the stuff is you know that's not something they do anymore 0.58

01:15:02.560 so but that's where this ends up everyone this ends up with you you had a 50 chance of shooting

01:15:08.860 someone in public and getting away with it right yeah and also where else does this lead you know

01:15:15.840 i can see that being rolled down in bc before long you know there's so much overdose crime and and

01:15:21.680 and murders that we have to do something like that looking at the washington examiner

01:15:26.500 new york city plans to dole out 21 500 each to uh 2020 black lives matter protesters so um new

01:15:38.020 york city is planning to compensate protesters for a 2020 demonstration on george floyd's death

01:15:43.260 um is proposed settled in the proposed settlement the city has agreed to pay that

01:15:47.760 the class action suit participants alleged violations of their rights under the first

01:15:53.460 fourth and 14 amendments stemming from a june 4th 2020 protest when police allegedly boxed

01:16:01.860 demonstrators in so basically during these fiery protests these fiery but mostly peaceful protests

01:16:11.000 um i don't know what it means that we're suing them because they boxed us in

01:16:16.640 yeah like as in the police tried to contain the riot contain the protester demonstration

01:16:23.720 you can actually you can sue them for like making sure you don't run rampant and each each individual

01:16:33.660 gets 21 000 for that this class action lawsuit which around 300 people so 300 people are getting

01:16:44.240 21 000 which is around four to six million dollars that's wild that's fucking crazy so i'm trying to

01:16:51.580 show the grit gradation here of how you get from you know legalizing crime to rewarding crime with 0.52

01:17:01.160 your money that's where this ends up and what what are your thoughts on that no that's just

01:17:08.820 it's fucking wild like i knew that some of those things did happen and look kettling is ridiculous

01:17:13.120 i don't think that the cops should be doing that but i mean if that's a problem then stop 0.57

01:17:18.700 fucking doing it it's police policy they've been doing it for decades what is kettling by the way

01:17:23.360 you seem to know this like i saw that i think ray got kettled one time during the g2 man i could be

01:17:29.780 wrong about that but i think he might have been but they didn't arrest him but kettling is when

01:17:33.400 they're they don't have enough cops to deal with like mass protests i think that's ostensibly why

01:17:40.400 they do it why i think why they actually do it is they want to just fuck with people and make a show

01:17:44.000 of force but they'll find like an intersection or a block that's kind of closed off that has a lot

01:17:48.480 of people in it random people and they will like cover it from both ends compress all of those

01:17:54.540 people until they're starting to step over each other and then one by one cops on the outside of

01:17:58.800 the ring will pull people under the line and like three at a time they'll like zip tie them and

01:18:04.260 throw them in the paddy wagon and take them away and they keep doing that until they filled the

01:18:07.900 local school gymnasium with like 800 people to be quote unquote arrested of course none of these

01:18:13.000 people have committed a crime many of them were just getting their fucking groceries and trying

01:18:16.400 to walk home and then they don't charge them with anything and then it's like oh well you should have 0.87

01:18:21.100 dispersed and it's like dispersed where you had us fucking kettled we couldn't go anywhere they're

01:18:26.520 like still telling you to leave but there's nowhere you can go so that's why it's called 0.88

01:18:30.360 kettling i think is it's like it's boiling over you keep compressing and compressing and then

01:18:34.980 like it's like you're goading them into a response i can't imagine there's any practical reason to do

01:18:39.940 this it's to me it's a tactic sorry i should say there's no practical reason to do this with

01:18:44.740 within policing like it's from a military standpoint or if you're trying to like

01:18:48.960 like quash a rebellion i get it but i mean in toronto at least in the instances that i had

01:18:55.660 seen during the g20 um it was in like the boroughs like it was in residential areas

01:19:01.500 and most of the people in the streets were like gawkers and locals would come down to see what

01:19:05.960 the fuck is happening and they're all just getting arrested and putting cages for the afternoon so 0.61

01:19:10.880 so first first of all you have once again successfully made me walk back my righteous

01:19:16.920 indignation towards a minority so well good good for you i mean fuck the fuck the cops but also we 0.94

01:19:24.040 shouldn't be paying these people they should just stop the the cops should stop you know what you 0.93

01:19:29.560 know what make the cops pay them it's just not the taxpayer but also are we saying that ray got

01:19:35.520 kettled that's very funny to me i feel i could be wrong we should ask him but i feel like him or

01:19:42.060 somebody else that we knew at that this was a long time ago this was the g8 or g20 in like 2000

01:19:46.500 and 2007 or 2008 but we were all down there it we're i mean what i mean is we were all living

01:19:53.260 in the city at the time um and one of us i think it was ray was down there and got caught in one

01:19:59.520 of these just for a fucking walk as he worked nearby or something ray did what he does he went 0.83

01:20:03.840 down to gawk yep old gawk and ray you guys haven't seen this guy he's always showing up and just 0.95

01:20:10.920 slack jaw just staring this is his thing and i i told him i said one day you're gonna catch a case

01:20:17.220 for walking around you got no business being yourself this much you're gonna catch a case

01:20:21.820 of the kettles and there it's gone done happened you have no business being this much of yourself 0.54

01:20:27.520 in public in front of god and everybody and he did he got he ray got his ass kettled 0.83

01:20:35.500 and you know i hate to say i told you so ray 0.76

01:20:45.520 now you love it you love it you know i'm just hearing about this now years later

01:20:50.900 this is you know the longer they told you so the sweeter the juice yep yep

01:21:01.780 uh alberta alberta is okay i don't i don't want to get baited switched by alberta though i want

01:21:08.660 to move to alberta and it turns out that you know i'm gay now i want to support alberta like i want

01:21:14.300 to visit i want to network with those guys i i love what they're doing over there but i mean

01:21:19.340 they are i've spent some time with some calgarians i know probably albertans maybe maybe rural

01:21:25.220 albertans don't like guys from calgary but to me guys from calgary are super when compared to guys

01:21:29.900 from toronto so i like them but they're when you meet them it's very distinct like they're about

01:21:35.760 as different from us as like a new yorker or like a fucking floridian is from us in the rust belt so 0.73

01:21:43.020 they're they're quite different tell you what calgarians that might be the gayest name because 0.76

01:21:47.660 He's got a name.

01:21:48.340 It's got a man's name inside of it.

01:21:51.580 It's actually got three man's names.

01:21:53.860 Cal, Gary, and Ian.

01:21:56.040 No.

01:21:57.260 Yeah.

01:21:58.460 You're right.

01:21:58.920 It's the man's man's man.

01:22:00.760 Man, that's like an orgy. 1.00

01:22:03.080 It's a gay orgy. 1.00

01:22:04.260 This is like the monkeypox of names. 1.00

01:22:07.480 You know what it is?

01:22:09.240 It's the monkeypox of names.

01:22:12.940 You can't just go around calling yourself that as a straight man.

01:22:17.660 damn it must be hard it's pretty hard being a guy and you know trying to navigate the world of

01:22:25.280 being as straight as possible you know stuff out there because it's almost like

01:22:31.580 like if you're fat and you want to lose weight you want to get ripped right a lot of guys do 0.66

01:22:39.040 this they have idea ideal states of themselves and they are the hyperborean man they're they

01:22:44.740 got the quads and the delts but at the end of the day if you're overweight and you're there 0.84

01:22:50.140 thinking there's like a muscly guy inside of me that's pretty fucked up it's pretty queer if you 0.51

01:22:58.180 ask me yeah it's a little it's a little bit queer there's nothing greater than losing weight because 0.87

01:23:02.760 it's like if we think like we talk about thinking about things all the way to the bottom we think

01:23:08.220 about things in an ontological metaphysical sense yeah if you want to lose weight

01:23:13.900 it's implicit that you believe that you've got a muscly man inside of you there's a muscly oily 0.55

01:23:20.460 guy inside of you and you just really want him to come out yeah or just you know i want him yeah 0.85

01:23:25.920 you want him to come out so like what you can't be like a strength trainer and not be gay is this 0.97

01:23:33.560 what we're doing we're making fun we're making fun of that's not fair everybody should everybody

01:23:38.700 should work out you you staked a very strong position though recently by saying that you don't

01:23:43.480 like weight training no tell the tell the folks at home that you don't like lifting that you don't

01:23:51.240 like working out it's nuanced i work out but my point was that there are there's working out which

01:23:58.340 everybody should do and i agree with 40 to it to some extent which is that it's not just about

01:24:03.900 health it is also about discipline it's about training a skill and figuring out the the like

01:24:10.500 the limits of what you could do with your body and that has a function as a function for like

01:24:15.380 defending your family if you're a man it has a function especially if you have you know work

01:24:19.640 that requires labor and then against the argument that like well if you have manual labor then you

01:24:23.620 don't need to work out no you still need to work out because there's muscle groups and things that

01:24:26.320 you're you're going to be working there now beyond that there are guys for whom it becomes a hobby

01:24:31.780 we're like chiseling your abs and you know the diet and everything else where it's there's a

01:24:37.880 diminishing return on what you're getting out of it what you're getting out of it is largely

01:24:41.120 aesthetic and it starts to interfere or like rather there's an opportunity cost for everything

01:24:46.440 else in your life so you're spending all these extra hours for minimal gains and those are hours

01:24:52.000 you could have spent with your family on a hobby building a business helping your neighbor and i'm

01:24:56.600 not saying that that is bad what i was saying was you need to be able to figure out where that line

01:25:02.800 is the the hobby line where once you passed it now it's a hobby now it's a sport there's nothing

01:25:08.060 wrong with playing a sport but you lose the uh the conversational or moral advantage where you

01:25:15.040 can say no i'm doing this because i'm a greater man you know i'm a greater man because of this

01:25:20.300 and that's what i disagree with because there are a lot of guys the gym i don't want to say

01:25:24.040 gym rat guys because i don't think they're bad guys but these guys who will get that that you

01:25:30.020 know uh natty or whatever and they then it's like they we should all aspire to be them and i don't 0.98

01:25:37.920 think so i think we should all aspire to be 75 of what they are but i don't think the average man

01:25:44.940 i think we'd have a lot of social problems if everybody was them not because they're bad but

01:25:50.520 because we need lots of different types of people and there's a lot of other shit that wouldn't get

01:25:54.880 done if everybody spent all fucking week at the gym and if everybody ate like whey protein all 0.69

01:26:00.560 the time so yeah that's well my take i'll tell you what i'm hearing i'm hearing a lot of five 0.86

01:26:06.920 dollar words from a man who likes to eat his lasagna with a candy cane i don't that's not fair 0.85

01:26:16.580 you can talk a whole bunch of game up and down on these fucking rubes who listen to this show 0.95

01:26:21.720 this fucking atrocity we do once a week you can't lie to me i know they don't know how much of a 0.99

01:26:28.140 garfield you are i am the absolute garfieldiest he he's looking and he's like oh we can do all 0.93

01:26:35.020 these other hobbies oh if we didn't we were not lifting if we're not drinking our way we could be

01:26:40.780 doing hobbies listen to this here's how you here's how you know people i want to give you

01:26:44.880 don't expose me i got a i got a master's degree in judas which means he's my slave

01:26:52.220 what i'm trying to say is that he's talking about hobbies what are his hobbies he's building a 0.77

01:26:57.140 bird feeder shit grown-ass man building a bird feeder to make friends with them that's what

01:27:06.840 you're doing to make friends with the birds all this he's do what he's doing he's talking about 0.74

01:27:12.620 i gotta spend time with my kids he's trying to call his daughters over to have a tea party

01:27:16.800 they're not even asking him to have a tea party he's trying to teach his daughters

01:27:20.940 how to have a tea party that's that's a complete role reversal this is rough damn damn uh ladies 0.62

01:27:30.960 and gentlemen we got we got him like god his ass okay but no you essentially you're right 0.82

01:27:38.700 also yeah it's like me ripping on the nbas you i know you work out a lot more than i do 0.88

01:27:43.520 and you're also more adjacent to an nba so i gotta watch it he's trying to find ways to

01:27:49.720 take me down a peg little does he know i got no more pegs to go down he spent this week saying 0.64

01:27:56.020 guys who lift are fucking gay and he's saying people who with nbas should be shot and he's 0.97

01:28:02.620 correct about both but it still hurts fun like that you know ontologically you are correct 0.98

01:28:11.340 but it doesn't make it easier i still gotta chase that way with a different flavor of way

01:28:18.560 you gotta start the vegan stuff they go for the vanilla vanilla's the chaser

01:28:25.820 there you go he's a fucking funny guy who like spikes his way with too much rum and he's got

01:28:32.820 to chase it with some other way ladies and gentlemen what a life i'm going to use this 0.78

01:28:41.380 to segue into the next couple things and it might seem like i'm changing gears and veering into the 0.63

01:28:48.720 oncoming lane but you're wrong so on the topic of people being full of shit i just i wanted to

01:28:56.280 explain this to you this story and i cannot verify any of it i saw it online it's a bunch 0.66

01:29:04.680 of screenshots it could all be bullshit but i'm choosing to believe this so this came across my

01:29:10.980 desk i'm looking at a interview hosted by rt russia today this is about the ukraine war

01:29:19.080 an individual by the name of john mcintyre he's being interviewed the headline here john mcintyre

01:29:26.280 former mercenary in ukraine so this is a guy ukrainian he's american joined the ukrainian

01:29:33.940 side just as a private contractor then defected to russia he's in being interviewed and he's

01:29:40.840 saying that I was a spy the whole time.

01:29:43.140 I was always a double agent.

01:29:45.680 Former U.S. Army soldier John McIntyre

01:29:48.820 was a foreign mercenary in Ukraine.

01:29:52.120 Down here, it's me and all the boys.

01:29:54.280 Say it so, y'all.

01:30:04.260 Earlier this month, he defected to Russia.

01:30:07.540 He bought everything with him,

01:30:09.500 Papers, files, intelligence and maps.

01:30:12.740 The thing is, he always meant to.

01:30:15.980 The first question is, why are you here?

01:30:19.620 I mean...

01:30:20.180 Well, it's the reason I came to Ukraine in the first place.

01:30:23.260 You know, I'm a communist, I'm an anti-fascist,

01:30:25.500 and we have to fight fascism everywhere, you know.

01:30:29.720 So I came...

01:30:31.680 When I came to Ukraine, I knew that I would try to get as much information as I could

01:30:36.060 about, you know, anything that would be helpful.

01:30:39.500 now right away you're thinking well that's stupid and wrong i'd probably if you look at him he's got

01:30:47.120 the face of a liar he's got and i'm not saying that because he's got like a southern accent i

01:30:53.660 love southern accents but i know if you look at good old southern boys you can spot the cool cowboys 0.77

01:31:00.760 from just the guy shoveling shit i'm looking at a shit shoveler so i'm looking at this guy he

01:31:08.260 talks like an idiot and he's trying to tell a story that he was a double agent the entire time 0.74

01:31:14.640 and he's actually a communist and he's actually antifa this is what he says in the interview 0.64

01:31:19.680 and i i don't know like i don't think that really plays with russians anymore i don't think

01:31:25.400 russians have a lot of love for communists even though he's trying to position like no i i you

01:31:32.020 know ukrainians are nazis and i'm anti-nazi and i think he's expecting them to nod along with that

01:31:37.520 right yeah so everyone's kind of shitting on him and and saying you know this guy he's not what he

01:31:43.440 says he is now i'm looking at some screenshots explaining this guy's real story and i'm just

01:31:50.060 going to read it as it is and once again i think if enough people believe this it will be true

01:31:57.300 so it's telling the story about this guy um it kind of jumps in the middle here but i'll start

01:32:03.400 At this point, his unit is out looking for him quite urgently after it surfaces that he confided in one of them that dear Johnny, Johnny, this guy, was once in ISIS.

01:32:16.100 He's now an RT claiming to be Antifa and a communist, was unironically in ISIS and had previously been under Russian artillery and airstrikes in Syria.

01:32:26.920 He smuggled himself back into the United States through the southern border and was hiding from the law.

01:32:34.100 While in the U.S. and hiding from the law, Jihadjani decides to get himself involved in meth and Confederate biker gangs,

01:32:43.540 owing a substantial amount of money to this gang.

01:32:47.680 He forced himself on the leader's daughter and got her pregnant in the hopes that the leader of this biker gang wouldn't do anything to him.

01:32:55.100 He was wrong.

01:32:56.920 he genuinely could make a movie out of this it's so insane uh so the biker gang is out looking for

01:33:03.960 him to get their money and i assume his head and giving no way to pay it jihad johnny decides to

01:33:10.320 launch a jihad against the confederate biker gang he says in parentheses this is all from what he

01:33:16.580 told other members of his unit after he was caught so this could all be a lie but whatever he got his

01:33:21.800 hands on an ak and he rigged up a suicide vest and intended to detonate it and take out members

01:33:27.560 of this gang for context johnny was a christian then became a muslim then became jewish then a

01:33:34.800 muslim again and then an atheist and then a christian again he says here like i said not

01:33:40.580 the brightest knife in the crayon box and repeated this cycle several times before quote selling his 0.58

01:33:46.260 soul to satan for 150 years of life before becoming a christian again um and he claims

01:33:54.280 that he was completely sober when he said this story this is johnny explaining this to people

01:33:59.180 in his unit okay so so the urgency so the urgency to find this meth head isis member lunatic who's

01:34:06.400 running around with a grenade obviously increased greatly he was then found after running through

01:34:12.980 the town yelling help me baby jesus help me over and over again during an artillery barrage when

01:34:19.020 he was promptly clubbed over the head with a rifle by the same guy who had done it previously

01:34:22.860 he was then placed under strict confinement and while awaiting punishment was sent to do labor

01:34:29.320 in the bunker and this is in ukraine now i assume he was kicked out of the legion after running away

01:34:35.120 again getting drunk and pissing all over the bunker and defacing it with spray paint there

01:34:40.260 was a joke about him quote that if the russians ever got a hold of johnny he'd be wearing a russian 0.61

01:34:45.960 uniform within five minutes because of that's how impressionable he was this ended up being true

01:34:51.280 after this he ended up converting to norse paganism and joining a different militia

01:34:56.760 who are totally unaware of these previous actions and he had a discussion with a pagan that and

01:35:02.820 decided to become one um what i suppose happened is that he got in trouble again in this other

01:35:11.080 militia fled to istanbul like he said because he says this in the uh in the actual interview

01:35:15.980 then on to russia because otherwise he probably would have been strung up and soon the russians

01:35:22.020 are going to find out he has an iq of 68 and he's bullshitted all of this and he's going to be in a

01:35:27.400 further rough time as there's no really going back on what he said his former unit members don't

01:35:33.820 believe he was quote a spy who had the mission to defect the entire time he was just an absolute

01:35:39.960 imbecile who's dug a hole so far deep he won't be able to climb out he ended up in ukraine in the 0.77

01:35:46.640 first place to get away from the biker gangs and also because his teeth were so fucked up for 0.84

01:35:50.820 meth use he wanted to get them fixed and he did and that's the tale of jihad johnny so far related 0.63

01:35:56.540 to me from members who served in his unit an absolute odyssey insane shit insane guy um 0.51

01:36:04.000 wait wait he says i missed the best part the reason he didn't go through with his jihad against 0.55

01:36:10.140 the biker gangs was because jesus appeared to him in a vision and melted the vest off and he woke up

01:36:16.520 naked so this is the story of this guy i just needed to recount that story i don't know how

01:36:22.400 much of it is true he could have just lied about all of it but i want to believe it's real and

01:36:27.920 once you get a look at this guy john mcintyre he just looks like a dope yeah and i i believe this

01:36:37.600 because if you listen to everything he says it sounds made up like what are the odds that you're

01:36:43.180 like a cool secret double agent defecting from like the fakest military in the world as an

01:36:51.200 american like you had no business being there right yeah yeah very low except that now ukraine

01:36:58.660 is asking for americans they're asking for western soldiers have you seen that yes that was actually 0.85

01:37:06.580 one of the funniest things like oh now we're gonna have to send our children or whatever his line was

01:37:11.400 that's so crazy that i almost didn't think it was real to be honest president zelinski hasn't

01:37:17.840 stopped his demands for more aid in Ukraine's fight with Russia.

01:37:21.400 Speaking at a press conference on February 24th, he issued a stark warning to the U.S.

01:37:26.240 if it fails to provide more assistance.

01:37:28.720 Let's watch.

01:37:29.720 If it happens so that Ukraine, due to various opinions and weakening and depleting of assistance

01:37:37.800 loses russia is going to enter baltic states nato member states and then the u.s will have to send

01:37:51.640 their sons and daughters exactly the same way as we are sending their sons and daughters to war 0.99

01:37:58.540 and they will have to fight i'm really enjoying watching the entire world get tired of zielinski 1.00

01:38:06.380 yeah like no matter where you stand on russia and ukraine and the ukrainian people like i don't 0.95

01:38:12.660 want to get into that but we we can all agree zelensky is a strange guy who hasn't changed

01:38:19.860 his clothes in like two years and every time he's in front of the camera he's doing something

01:38:25.240 fucking weird and dumb and every time he's addressing the world he's asking for one trillion 0.61

01:38:32.060 dollars or all of your sons and daughters those are the two things he asks for i need everyone 0.85

01:38:38.600 in the world to pick up a gun and come here and i also need all the money and just just i can look

01:38:44.820 in his eyes i'm like this is a gambit for you even the whole thing about him being him being an actor

01:38:50.080 or uh or a comedian or whatever and like they're whitewashing or like scrubbing all of the previous

01:38:56.820 media appearances with him it's just it's too surreal it's totally surreal but any like there's

01:39:02.020 no way like he's the pinnacle of astroturf politics and he's right at the front of the

01:39:09.280 news cycle for like a year it's just it blows my mind that anybody takes it seriously all right

01:39:14.000 so i'm going to move on to something that i believe is thematically connected uh but it's

01:39:21.460 a real stretch but this is something i want to talk about carrying on with this history arc that

01:39:27.040 we've been on for a little bit i wanted to take some time to talk about the vikings

01:39:31.300 um and this these are the the prototypical warrior people now they're not the first they're not the

01:39:38.380 last not even the most noteworthy because we're going to be talking about the mongols in the

01:39:42.640 future soon but i think that the vikings will have a lot of pop culture cachet everyone kind

01:39:50.500 knows the vikings i think everyone in the world is familiar with the vikings and that would make

01:39:56.980 a lot of people think that they know the vikings and they would know norse mythology and they would

01:40:01.080 know who these people were and what they did and i don't think most people do um there have been a

01:40:07.200 lot of uh adaptations apparently that viking show i know a lot of people who are into vikings who

01:40:12.280 say that was pretty accurate i wanted to get the the real scoop on the vikings the entire scope of

01:40:20.040 viking history what they were like what they believed uh which is kind of a difficult question

01:40:25.240 because as we'll see there weren't one unified people which is kind of how we conceptualize it

01:40:32.200 we like we conceptualize the vikings as like this almost like there's a viking nation not really

01:40:39.240 but the book i sourced from i sourced from a few but the primary one was called the sea wolves a

01:40:47.000 history of the vikings by lars brownworth um i believe this i got this title it was either from

01:40:54.040 thomas 777 or it was the z man because there's a lot of viking stuff out there

01:41:00.200 especially because vikings are so popular so it's hard to find for lack of a better term

01:41:05.900 the base stuff the real stuff the stuff that's not going to have you know a shellac over it of

01:41:12.020 of recontextualization where they're saying oh did you know that vikings were actually the

01:41:17.060 original feminists did you know that viking society was actually very very progressive

01:41:22.140 like there's a lot of that um and if you look at a lot of vikings these days like the guys on

01:41:27.480 tiktok instagram the people who are carrying the banner for viking culture there's a

01:41:33.180 they're basically like anglicans now like it's all about did you know that transgenderism was 0.67

01:41:39.280 common in norse mythology like shit it's all day with that and that's just a modern thing they 0.96

01:41:46.340 slap on top of it so you want to cut through all that and this is a good book for that um

01:41:51.300 so i'm gonna take us through a tour of viking history and some of the stuff that i found pretty

01:41:57.320 interesting um some of it might sound like it doesn't really connect to anything else and i

01:42:03.140 just thought it was a cool thing that i thought was kind of funny but you're gonna have to take

01:42:07.220 the good with the medium so the pro there's only a few really reliable sources that we have for

01:42:17.360 viking history and this is something you get in with the mongols too um there's this uh one account

01:42:23.000 the central account called the lives of the norse kings that's where a lot of like the detail and

01:42:28.860 the granular stuff is because um vikings wrote very very little down and everything they made

01:42:36.660 nearly everything they made was made of wood so there's not a whole lot of records um we have

01:42:43.900 some stuff we have a pretty good understanding of norse mythology we've got runes and things like

01:42:47.660 that but detailed accounting of their history you get a little bit from them you get more of it from

01:42:56.220 the provinces and the nations that they invaded so with a lot of um groups like the vikings throw

01:43:03.420 time and you see these now and again these group these nomadic warrior groups um they're

01:43:09.300 contextualized they're encircled by historians so you'll get accounts of them from the english

01:43:16.080 from the french from the irish from the americans even the persians and that's how you kind of

01:43:23.060 group together the the accurate history of what they actually were um what you start to see like

01:43:29.940 the first mentions of vikings and this is uh echoed pretty accurately in the show vikings

01:43:35.780 and some other sources but uh vikings emerged really in these accounts in like the eighth

01:43:41.380 century during what they call the northumbrian renaissance uh this is when all those like um

01:43:47.780 illuminated manuscripts were being made you know towards the second half of the seventh century

01:43:54.420 Northumbria has this amazing flowering with incredible intellectual life,

01:43:59.860 masses of monasteries and manuscripts and so on.

01:44:03.540 Political power is always a driver for the production of great art,

01:44:08.260 and Northumbria is no exception.

01:44:10.340 And what we have in Northumbria is a coming together of

01:44:13.540 Irish influence and Roman influence to produce something that is uniquely

01:44:18.020 identifiable as Northumbrian.

01:44:19.860 we know about the vikings because it was these monks who are reporting that these 0.61

01:44:25.180 fucking freaks are coming from the sea and killing everyone that that's how you know like 0.56

01:44:30.620 the most literate nations are being attacked by them and that's how we can kind of get the first

01:44:35.340 accounts of them um so uh they were basic a lot of the stuff you hear about the vikings about them

01:44:42.320 attacking monasteries uh was true uh the reason that monasteries were attacked in ireland and

01:44:50.620 britain was for a few reasons one is that they were usually built near the water um one of the

01:44:57.980 reasons they were always built near the water was because they actually thought that was a safer

01:45:01.460 place to put them because they they weren't near any borders you know you put them by the shore

01:45:05.960 because you know the enemies are by our borders they're safer they didn't account for well what

01:45:10.760 if you come from the water so they had all these monasteries the monasteries were full of gold and

01:45:16.860 treasure and loot and all kinds of stuff the vikings this early on weren't really taking 0.99

01:45:21.960 the slaves as much they were just showing up slaughtering everybody killing everyone in the 0.99

01:45:26.900 most brutal fashion taking all the stuff and leaving and that's when we first started to

01:45:31.460 hear about them the first murmurs of the vikings um and there's a lot of misconceptions about the

01:45:38.800 vikings so you know we'll get i'll give a brief overview of who the vikings were and what they

01:45:43.840 did for example they played a lot of hockey didn't know that they played like an early early version

01:45:48.120 of hockey cool fact um uh they also practiced very very good hygiene and a lot of descriptions

01:45:56.460 of the vikings are that they're dirty and whatnot they're not they were very clean people um they

01:46:02.620 lived very very far enough they loved like steam baths and things like that um the fact that they

01:46:08.440 were like more feminist or more female centric than other places debatable like they say like

01:46:17.020 oh women could own land so they were progressive ads i don't really want to go and all that but

01:46:21.940 sure they didn't they were better than saudi arabians let's just say that um in terms of 0.99

01:46:29.580 beliefs and this is where i'm probably going to get in trouble with a lot of viking people out

01:46:33.960 there there's a lot of people who are very very passionate about this i'm hoping i can do it

01:46:37.960 justice but uh their their beliefs their sort of pagan beliefs were that you know the universe was

01:46:43.820 made of concentric circles um and urgard was the outmost with all the giants and monsters

01:46:50.300 midgard was the middle where all the humans and dwarves are and niflheim is the center filled

01:46:57.080 with ghosts and everyone who was who didn't die a warrior because if you're a warrior died it went 0.99

01:47:01.780 to valhalla if you weren't a warrior you went to this other place you were lorded over by i think

01:47:07.100 it's pronounced hell h-e-l you know yeah maybe there's a pronunciation um and then connecting

01:47:12.820 all three of these concentric circles in these realms was the giant ash tree called

01:47:18.300 everyone i've never pronounced yggdrasil that's i'm just i'm just making it up 0.69

01:47:24.260 no it is that's that is what it's it's y-g-g-d-r-s

01:47:27.900 yggdrasil is the tree of the worlds in norse mythology this colossal tree is the most perfect

01:47:36.340 tree that ever existed its roots are so profound that they reach the three most distant worlds

01:47:43.860 these are jontenheim niflheim and hellheim but that's essentially the the unifying beliefs and

01:47:52.100 you know from here we get the runes from here we get odin there's a rich mythology

01:47:57.700 in viking history but what's more interesting is aside from the mythology

01:48:03.860 what their day-to-day lives were so i kind of talked about the day-to-day lives in terms of

01:48:08.400 like their sports it was a it was a society that was built around martial prowess and feats of

01:48:13.240 strength any games they played were about strength they loved strong men they loved

01:48:17.960 if you could throw something the farthest you're the coolest guy around shit like that

01:48:22.600 so nearly every you see this as a theme throughout history because there's other like i said other

01:48:27.560 types of groups like this like the mongols where in a sense everyone was a warrior because if your

01:48:36.720 society is built around conquest and looting and plundering even the children are raised to fight 0.92

01:48:43.280 fairly young you know it's only the old and the women who didn't so in a sense everyone was a

01:48:49.180 warrior it's just whether or not you died in combat and that was the big thing for them like

01:48:53.320 you had to die while fighting in combat and that was crucial to them but you can understand why

01:49:00.280 that was crucial because in a sense everyone is kind of a warrior especially compared to monks

01:49:05.940 because being a monk would just seem alien to them you know this idea of you just sitting around and

01:49:12.060 like getting into agriculture was an alien thing to them and they thought everyone was a sucker

01:49:17.600 right um but one thing you find about vikings in their day-to-day lives is they were obsessed with

01:49:23.000 ships i didn't really know how much of like ship building and everything factored into their

01:49:29.980 you know their identity but he outlines in the book pretty vividly that ships like everything

01:49:36.560 to them was about ships and they built their long houses their long houses were built like a ship

01:49:41.300 their entire culture the entire culture is based on ships um i didn't know this but the vikings

01:49:48.720 were the first people to invent the keel so that's an aspect of the ship where it goes

01:49:55.040 you know deep into the water which allows for better stability on open waters and a lot of

01:50:00.400 ships to that point didn't really have that the vikings laid the keel first it was often made of

01:50:07.440 a single piece of wood they built up overlapping planks on either side of the keel then secured

01:50:14.960 them with iron nails. The shipwrights fastened floor timbers across the lower planks to support

01:50:21.840 the shape of the hull. They then placed the keelson, which holds the mast, in position.

01:50:28.160 Cross beams known as bites lock the sides together. The Vikings cut ore holes into the upper planks.

01:50:36.480 The mast and deck were fitted. They then added a steering oar to the right-hand side of the stern. 0.81

01:50:44.120 The word starboard derives from this steering board.

01:50:48.740 And again, we're going back to the 8th century for this.

01:50:52.200 So because they were one of the first groups to invent the keel,

01:50:56.800 that meant that their ship warfare was far more highly advanced than anyone else's.

01:51:02.520 But it also meant that their ships could be made thinner and lighter.

01:51:06.900 If you think about a Viking longboat, and I'd never heard it described before,

01:51:12.120 but you're really talking about like an inch thick of wood it's an inch thick of wood that's

01:51:17.980 separating you from the fucking ocean because they would use these ships to cross the ocean

01:51:24.180 they'd go to iceland in these boats and you could do that with the keel you couldn't do that before

01:51:28.020 but that was one of the aspects that made the ships so effective was that they're designed to

01:51:33.480 be very very light very very fast and so no one could contend with them this was like the atom

01:51:40.140 bomb of boats so they can never figure out like these guys would come in boom get out fast and uh

01:51:47.380 that's why their boats never had any lower deck either so it was you can only carry so much

01:51:53.440 obviously but that was what they used and that was so central to their identity i thought that

01:51:58.360 was pretty interesting um also that their uh weaponry was famously strong so vikings had a

01:52:05.740 a reputation of fighting naked and not having armor they weren't big into armor and plate

01:52:12.840 shield and stuff but they had very very strong swords and there were some of the best you could

01:52:18.360 get at the time while being but they're also known to be naked but also huge they were big

01:52:23.760 and strong in ways that other other armies just weren't and so you could imagine just seeing these

01:52:30.260 fuckers show up and not knowing what the fuck is wrong with them like they would just look like

01:52:36.160 maniacs coming at you um and really if i had to pinpoint a moral of the story of the vikings

01:52:46.700 throughout the book it was that like what is the lasting legacy of the vikings and we'll get into

01:52:51.720 that more specifically but i'd say the number one lasting legacy of the vikings what was it gave

01:52:57.880 europe especially britain but it gave europe severe ptsd and forced europe to get more savage

01:53:06.000 as a result because the story of the vikings was they were kind of rolling over ireland and rolling

01:53:11.960 over britain and these other countries um they couldn't really go up against some places like

01:53:18.040 persia and paris kind of gave them a run for their money but you know britain especially had 0.80

01:53:23.060 the content of the vikings it was almost completely conquered by the vikings but the vikings forced

01:53:28.680 them to unify and force them to adapt and force them to kind of behave more like vikings and so

01:53:34.740 if they're if the vikings did kind of recede and and wither away as we know them it's because

01:53:43.140 they went to war against the entirety of europe and kind of made europe more savage as a result

01:53:49.760 so i think that's an interesting legacy at least from my point of view um so i'm just going to give

01:53:56.040 you a brief scattershot of some viking history here that i found pretty interesting because it

01:54:01.340 goes back to charlemagne so charlemagne uh was warring famously with the viking leader named

01:54:08.700 godfred who was um he was eventually assassinated by his own people actually um they were like

01:54:15.620 mortal enemy charlemagne hated him so much and charlemagne died not long after that godfred

01:54:21.920 died and um what happened after that was uh charlemagne's son louis took over which caused

01:54:29.040 the vikings to invade again because his son wasn't as strong so there was like this mortal battle

01:54:33.960 between charlemagne and the vikings and then there's only only his son that kind of and that's 0.85

01:54:39.900 a classic case throughout history of like the great leader than their shitty sons fuck it all

01:54:44.000 um and so what louis tried to do was he tried to christianize scandinavia and scandinavia is kind

01:54:52.420 of the heart of viking territory right try to christianize it by installing an exiled viking

01:54:57.760 leader named harold clack but um that ends up failing a big what you also notice in the viking

01:55:05.960 history is that they've got a real hatred of christianity and i don't know if it started that

01:55:11.400 way and i don't know who caused it because like i just said you know the the son of charlemagne

01:55:17.780 was aggressively trying to christianize this area and that might have been what really caused them

01:55:24.120 to hate christianity because they seem to relish in like desecrating churches and cathedrals and

01:55:31.560 making a mockery of the christian places that they conquered after so i i don't know what caused it

01:55:37.160 but it might have been that because it really this really was like a christian versus pagan thing

01:55:43.060 whereas you know if you look at i'm going to use them as an example again like the mongols versus

01:55:48.280 the chinese there was no really a religious aspect to that at all it wasn't like confucianism versus

01:55:56.420 you know mongol paganism like that didn't make sense but this was like a true christian versus

01:56:03.660 pagan holy war in a sense and then it seems that the vikings weren't treated like they were treated 0.93

01:56:11.280 like oh we can just christianize you and that was what you needed to do was go to war with them

01:56:15.900 and and over the course of the history there's instances where vikings did christianize

01:56:21.800 but there's a debate about how serious they were about it um there's this one character that kind

01:56:29.720 emerges during this named ragnar lothbrok he claimed to be a son of odin uh which is a common

01:56:38.260 thing uh but lothbrok this is always thought that was funny lothbrok means hairy breeches

01:56:45.200 so what that means is he would have these pants made of like horse hair and he would wear them

01:56:52.660 into battle and he said that they were magic so he just had these giant hairy legs um and he

01:56:59.980 eventually rose to be a sea king because he had taken such a huge fleet and raided so much so like

01:57:06.260 one of the things you know is the vikings and other nomadic warrior tribes is there really is

01:57:12.840 no central government there's no king not really you would have guys who would raise to a certain

01:57:19.860 level of status because they were just so good at combat and warfare so this guy he becomes sort

01:57:26.640 of a sea king just because he's so good at conquering and it's it was common enough for

01:57:31.040 a lot of these vikings to be like they leave home at 18 a lot of these guys their lives are exactly 0.66

01:57:36.880 the same i left when i was young and immediately started pillaging immediately started getting 0.79

01:57:41.240 guys and just like running over towns which is that's never really explored in this just how

01:57:49.140 brutal they were so when they say oh yeah we went out pillaging what does pillaging mean well that

01:57:55.080 means you like murder kids and like rape women and take all their stuff right and and i think you

01:58:01.740 know they'll say oh that's just history and stuff everyone did that like it is true but you know 0.98

01:58:06.880 you do have to really take a step back and appreciate the brutality of what the vikings 0.97

01:58:13.080 were doing which was only picking soft targets and that's another thing that's i think a big

01:58:18.520 that's something that they don't like to talk about as much but i think it needs to be said that

01:58:22.360 you know they were taking on the monasteries because you know it's the it's the softest

01:58:28.100 targets the weakest people like they they don't actually want a battle they want to attack places 0.73

01:58:34.120 if they could attack a city that was just women and children they could they would they would do

01:58:38.800 that in a second right there's no valor there's no anything but anyway they would say oh that's 0.68

01:58:44.180 history maybe that's even intelligent strategy but you know most of these guys they came up just

01:58:51.580 slaughtering villages full of people and stealing and that was their entire economy pretty much

01:58:57.320 their entire economy was you go out steal things bring it back that's it there was no manufacture 0.97

01:59:03.180 there was no building because it really shows you that to it presents a problem to a martial

01:59:13.500 society right we would call these a martial society they would say it's a warrior society

01:59:18.820 the problem with warrior societies as we've seen is they don't build things they don't build things

01:59:23.780 that last and really you know the story of the vikings is we'll get into this in a second but

01:59:29.380 the things they did build that last because they actually tried to on a few occasions they tried

01:59:34.040 to and those are the things that exist to this day but generally most vikings they were not

01:59:38.540 concerned with that and so we see you know what happens to when they don't make the transition to

01:59:45.580 that the type of lifestyle that they hated which would be a sedentary lifestyle which would be

01:59:50.960 putting down roots and farming and building big buildings which they thought was all gay right but 0.99

01:59:58.120 time has shown that those are the only people that really matter in history now it's interesting

02:00:04.000 because over time the vikings their strategy starts to evolve so they move from slaughtering

02:00:09.020 people to ransoming them so they built a name for themselves and people were terrified of vikings

02:00:14.480 and so many of these monks and so many of these um these communiques from the kings were like

02:00:19.700 what are these sea people if you see them coming run run run and what was happening was the vikings

02:00:25.120 were starting to learn that the common strategy was that the monasteries would just take all their 0.93

02:00:30.580 shit and run away so they were always showing up to monasteries that were empty and that was a big

02:00:35.500 problem because like word was traveling so then they figured out that oh maybe we can kind of

02:00:41.520 extort them we can threaten them and then they pay us to go away and for a long time that's what

02:00:48.400 vikings survived on being paid off like like a mafia the sea mafia yeah yeah the sea mafia um

02:00:55.740 they were and then they if not that they would ransom so instead of killing people they got

02:01:00.620 the big light bulb appeared over their head and said what if we ransom them because they figured

02:01:05.800 out like a lot of the stuff that they were throwing away and burning they realized meant a lot more to

02:01:12.480 the people so they they looked at these fucking illuminated manuscripts so what the fuck is this

02:01:17.800 horse shit they just wanted the shiny things when they learned out they would get more shiny things 0.76

02:01:23.500 if they actually didn't burn the stuff and auctioned it back to them so this was a big day

02:01:29.860 for the vikings um but what's more interesting and this is where i think the other main headline

02:01:37.180 or the main heading of this is it's that i did not know that the vikings did actually make a lot

02:01:44.760 of things that last i thought it was just oh they disappeared in the sands of time but they the

02:01:49.880 footprint that they left on europe especially ireland is very significant um so for example

02:01:56.840 one of the they were trying to attack britain they were trying to attack paris they weren't having a

02:02:01.320 whole lot of luck with that so they decided to go to ireland and ireland was having a bit of a

02:02:05.960 renaissance at the time there was a a boom of monasteries and manuscripts of reading and

02:02:12.760 literacy and it was a real hotbed of activity um so the vikings showed up and they essentially

02:02:20.300 tried to take over the entirety of ireland and then they actually did take over ireland for quite

02:02:25.520 some time um and they would move into these spiritual centers and turn them into these

02:02:32.140 massacred pagan sites uh making them they just loved they would they take over a church kill 0.69

02:02:38.300 everyone and do a pagan sacrifice in front of you know christ on the cross that was their big thing

02:02:44.160 but i didn't know this um they actually founded the city of dublin did you know that no yeah that's

02:02:52.100 wild yeah they they founded dublin and that this was the story of the vikings in ireland

02:02:57.840 is so fascinating because it was their first foray into state building um and i'm speaking of

02:03:06.720 one group of vikings because there were actually three different groups of vikings in this book

02:03:12.480 the vikings came from scandinavia the three territories that we know today as denmark

02:03:18.800 norway and sweden norway literally means the northern way the northern sailing route

02:03:26.320 and it's one long coastline punctuated by fjords while the land itself is broken up by mountains

02:03:33.920 so it was much easier to get around by boat than by land south to ireland there was another group

02:03:40.880 that actually went west to iceland and there's another one that kind of went out into russia but

02:03:46.800 this is these are the ones who went to ireland um and they founded dublin and they said we're

02:03:50.960 going to actually try and start a viking state it never really been tried before even in their

02:03:55.200 home of scandinavia wasn't like that because scandinavia was hard it's really hard to live

02:04:00.080 there you go to ireland it's it's more fertile it's like this is a place where we can build

02:04:04.560 we can try our hand and making a kingdom um and it's you know the first viking statecraft right

02:04:12.100 yeah a guy named thor gills was doing this thor gills took over ireland um he nearly took it all

02:04:20.520 over but he was captured and drowned which kicked off a viking civil war and this is another thing

02:04:25.200 you get with the viking of these types of groups is that they frequently elect a charismatic leader

02:04:31.860 a very strong man um with with all of the qualities that they want but the moment that guy dies

02:04:38.540 it immediately falls apart they they cannot exist without their legendary leader because really all

02:04:46.380 they are is warring tribes um and you and again you see this with these these types of groups which

02:04:51.820 is that they're big on individual liberty like they're not big into autocratic rule they don't

02:04:57.500 want a king they don't want a dictator they don't want a parliament or an elite class like it's very

02:05:03.980 very horizontal which is appealing to a lot of people who would listen to this the problem is

02:05:10.720 absent any like heroic philosopher king they just start killing each other and they can never get

02:05:17.400 anything going together which works a bit in the short term which makes them hard to to kind of

02:05:24.560 grasp but you know it's easy to get vikings to fight each other was the problem so not long

02:05:31.500 after thor gills came another charismatic leader by the name of ivar the boneless 0.89

02:05:37.100 these are all names that they have every funny cool fucked up name they've heard from a viking 0.52

02:05:45.660 leader it's true and they have a story so ivar the boneless people in the book he was like 0.83

02:05:53.800 it's highly unlikely that ivar didn't have any bones

02:05:58.100 no it's like you know realistically if this man was indeed charging there are stories of him

02:06:06.860 charging in a battle there's stories of him taking heads and names he must have had some bones

02:06:13.820 um they were thinking he might just been double jointed like he just had like a weird kind of

02:06:19.820 body and he might have been tall and lanky i think we were talking about this in the chat

02:06:24.420 the other day and john was saying it was maybe something to do with him just being fearless

02:06:27.940 like he didn't or something something like that there's some translation like it's a bad english

02:06:33.260 translation i don't know yeah that could be it too they don't he said it could they're very literal

02:06:41.360 like they were very like you know so and so the short even kings back then to be like oh

02:06:46.880 joseph the fat imagine being known as that your whole life anyway um and they started the as they

02:06:55.260 took over uh ireland they opened up these port cities and these were thriving port cities like

02:07:00.500 they weren't opposed to trading and things like that um although they did reignite at this point 0.69

02:07:07.000 the irish slave trade um they're the vike and i don't don't let them wallpaper over this the 0.78

02:07:14.220 viking slave trade of irish people was pretty intense it was only stopped when the english

02:07:19.720 invaded um the viking specifically they sold the irish to the arabic slave markets um and it

02:07:28.040 continued as uh after that the irish started enslaving vikings too um but it was that was a

02:07:34.940 big deal so you i don't like when people try and downplay like the irish slavery thing like it

02:07:39.740 it was pretty fucking serious um and anytime vikings took people alive it was to usually 0.76

02:07:46.140 sell them to slave markets as well and in 865 year 865 we see the birth of what's called the 0.54

02:07:54.460 great heathen army um and the great heathen army this is kind of what we were talking about which

02:08:00.220 is that there isn't really any coordination there's only momentum and that's what the great

02:08:07.200 heathen army it was it wasn't like an army as we know it with generals it was this sort this

02:08:13.180 collection of war bands that just had a momentum and when we compare this to other sort of martial

02:08:21.560 class groups the one thing you see is like they're all they'll only ride with you or sail with you

02:08:28.140 as long as you're promising that they get to kill and rape and steal and you give them a direction 0.79

02:08:34.560 right then they might listen to you but and that's essentially what this great heathen army was it

02:08:40.560 wasn't coordinated but it was just this mass this horde that was like trying to throw itself against

02:08:46.380 britain and it failed twice they tried to invade england twice and then they were repelled each

02:08:52.320 time eventually they did um and it was the first uh viking army of that scale that the world had

02:08:59.660 ever seen um so there's a line here he said in 865 ragnar's son launched the largest invasion

02:09:08.200 of the british isles in recorded history he sailed from dublin with two of his brothers

02:09:13.200 halfdan halfdan of the wide embrace and as well as his colleague olaf the white navigating their

02:09:21.720 way along the southern coast they landed in east anglia without opposition um the locals immediately

02:09:29.020 raised a sum of money to bribe them to go away uh the first example of dane gold in england so

02:09:35.400 dane gold was the name that was given to them basically shaking people down they gave a name

02:09:42.020 for it it's called dane gold it's like when vikings show up pay them their dane gold and

02:09:45.920 then they go away um ivar took their money but had no intention of leaving he had commanded a

02:09:52.760 force so massive that the english referred to it simply as the great heathen army unlike previous

02:09:58.940 viking forces this was not just a collection of war bands but was under the unified command of a

02:10:04.820 single leader and his ruthless lieutenants it was highly mobile it can break into component parts

02:10:10.900 and reform according to terrain or need uh tremendous planning had gone into the creation

02:10:17.940 of the army men had been recruited from the norwegian fjords the phrygian islands and western

02:10:23.700 baltic and denmark they were drawn both by the lure of wealth and now for the first time the

02:10:30.400 possibility of acquiring land so it this was what was so genius about it that he combined sort of

02:10:36.660 the fluidity of the war bands with like the promise of you can all get land and what you

02:10:42.520 see with the vikings is that the promise of land is so essential to why they do it didn't start off

02:10:48.240 like that it just started with plunder but as the age goes on the way you they ended up pacifying

02:10:55.920 the vikings in many instances was by granting them land by granting them a place to actually

02:11:02.700 farm easily you know in a place that was temperate and in a place that was a bit more peaceful than

02:11:09.020 where they they came from um so really that was the story of the vikings overall like just to give

02:11:16.220 people sort of spoiler alert what happened to the vikings they more or less just dissipated into the

02:11:22.620 nations that they invaded and they dissipated into like the dna of europe itself especially

02:11:29.120 in england especially in normandy which was like a place that was given to them as as like a trade

02:11:37.680 like okay stop invading we'll give you this piece of land called normandy and then that'll be the

02:11:42.600 viking place and that was and you go to normandy now where the vikings well this is where they are

02:11:47.480 they were tamed by the land just kind of like everybody was in a sense so the i think that

02:11:54.380 presents an interesting problem for people and this is why i like talking about this stuff this

02:11:59.500 presents an interesting problem because if we try and recreate a martial class or a martial people

02:12:07.520 warrior people you know that's what we all dream about in this sector but it's like we have to look

02:12:14.060 at the the process by which that class or those people were in a sense domesticated you know what

02:12:21.600 were the flaws why was it easy to coordinate them can you only ever coordinate them if there is

02:12:28.620 conquest and imperialism and destruction like you you cannot even survive as an entity unless you

02:12:36.180 are expanding and destroying and then if you stop expanding and destroying you almost stop being 0.90

02:12:42.960 yourself and you become this other thing so it's either waging a butlerian jihad like you do and

02:12:51.740 across the galaxy that's almost the only way these types of groups can ever survive

02:12:56.480 so what's interesting is as they were the great heathen army was invading england i'll try and

02:13:02.940 keep this short because i know we got to get going soon the great heathen army they were

02:13:07.640 they they essentially conquered ireland and they're doing a great job of that they essentially

02:13:12.460 they almost conquered all of england england was more or less just three big kingdoms wessex being

02:13:20.340 one of the kingdoms and one by one every kingdom was either conquered or bowed to the vikings

02:13:26.580 and wessex was the only one that managed to defeat the great heathen army um

02:13:33.140 yeah basically wessex was the only kingdom to really push back the great heathen army king

02:13:40.460 Alfred was the only king that didn't just either get killed or bow to the Viking army. And he

02:13:47.040 eventually pushed them back by employing the exact same tactics that the Vikings did. He was waging 0.55

02:13:52.320 a guerrilla war across England against the Vikings and wearing them down over time.

02:13:59.040 By the end of 870, East Anglia fell to the Danish invaders and Mercia was lost only four years later.

02:14:07.020 As the Vikings seized North Umbria next in 875, Wessex was the only remaining major kingdom under Anglo-Saxon authority.

02:14:16.560 When the current king of Wessex, Ethelred, died, his younger brother Alfred was left to protect his kingdom's independence.

02:14:24.140 At first, he did so by paying off the Viking aggressors until he was eventually prepared to lead an army against them.

02:14:30.660 This culminated in the Battle of Eddington, which left the Danes utterly routed and ended their attempts to capture Wessex.

02:14:39.100 And that led him to take back his kingdom, take back Wessex, and converted their Viking king, Guthrum, to Christianity.

02:14:48.820 Now, this is where if you get like a Viking guy, they'll claim that this wasn't real.

02:14:54.700 If you ask a lot of Viking guys and pagan guys, they'll deny that any of this ever happened.

02:14:59.620 they'll deny that anyone got christianized or baptized it was all a farce and that they

02:15:06.320 repented before they died i you know maybe maybe some did maybe some didn't i don't know but

02:15:12.740 a common story uh regarding viking conquest was that they ended up christianized anyway

02:15:19.820 and one of the reasons that they chose to christianize because a lot of times the vikings

02:15:27.360 that did christianize didn't necessarily do it because they had a revelation um christianity

02:15:36.020 actually presented a different way for them to centralize their power

02:15:40.180 so a lot of way it was more you're able to unify your people more than with a pagan religion

02:15:49.300 that's the claim made in the book and this is that this is a claim made by other theologians

02:15:55.040 as well that the nature of the pagan beliefs is decentralized by its nature but once you have sort

02:16:03.640 of a monotheistic religion that is personified by a central leader like a king that gives them

02:16:12.580 more centralized power so if you were a viking king of any any stripe even a sea king you're

02:16:19.820 looking at this like if i christianize i could actually get more power for myself so you could

02:16:24.860 even look at this from a cynical perspective but just to say that you know there were reasons why

02:16:31.160 a viking might want to christianize that had completely self-interested and cynical reasons

02:16:36.720 behind it um and this is one example so that that changed the vikings now the vikings also

02:16:46.060 would change europe as we discussed so going back to king alfred trying to take back wessex

02:16:51.180 by him having to wage a new type of war against the vikings that essentially created the warfare

02:17:00.440 that we have right now so one example was king alfred he completely reworked his army so for

02:17:07.320 example he decided to have a literate officer class didn't have that before um the vikings

02:17:15.100 mobility had been the key to their success, so Alfred took it away. Towns, bridges, and roads

02:17:21.340 were fortified, and strongholds were built throughout Wessex to deny roving bands any

02:17:26.880 sanctuary. Within 15 years, the kingdom was bristling with fortresses allowing the English

02:17:33.300 to strike at any future raid from numerous points. Next, Alfred reorganized the army,

02:17:39.540 training a professional permanent force supported by taxes to replace the unreliable peasant levies

02:17:46.360 he even attempted to challenge the viking monopoly on sea power by beginning work on a fleet

02:17:51.380 although the that proved disappointing so like he created a new type of army and in fact a new type

02:17:57.640 of organization of the entire kingdom to battle them which in a lot of ways remains to this day

02:18:03.840 which is why i say like the stamp of britain was in a lot of ways you wouldn't even consider at

02:18:09.840 the start and that's how much it impacted not only britain but also ireland and also other places

02:18:14.720 and also i didn't know this the vikings founded the city of york didn't know that they founded

02:18:22.240 that and made that kind of a prosperous port city um they were trying to build up essentially at

02:18:27.800 this point they were trying to build up a viking kingdom in the irish sea connecting york to

02:18:32.840 dublin because vikings could only think in water they didn't really think in land travel as much

02:18:39.260 they thought oh we can start this kingdom by just owning this central waterway which is kind of what

02:18:44.420 they were going after um i know we got to get going soon so i'm going to skip some of this i'm

02:18:50.820 just going to talk about um an interesting thing that they did that i found my favorite was their

02:18:57.000 more western journeys about how the vikings kind of struck out into iceland and how they discovered

02:19:03.640 america because again these long ships could traverse the entire oceans um and there's kind

02:19:09.480 of a story here where like iceland was sort of like a proto viking america so iceland was the

02:19:17.540 place where vikings would run to when they wanted more freedom when what they were running away from

02:19:23.460 whatever's happening in scandinavia you know like maybe they some people ran away because they like

02:19:28.880 killed too many people so they were it was a place for all the outlaws and the people who didn't want

02:19:33.780 anyone fucking with them anymore they would go out to iceland um yeah iceland was a proto-viking

02:19:41.000 america for runaways who wanted freedom um icelandic society was decentralized and against

02:19:47.940 despotism but they would uh they would find ways around this because they still had structure so

02:19:53.060 would consult with a wise man whenever there was a dispute and and once they would consult this

02:19:59.940 this wise man they would kind of expand into a council and the council was called a thing now

02:20:06.820 i don't know if that's where the word thing comes from but it's called the thing and then uh and

02:20:13.220 this is where they would vote on things like it was a council that this was like early early

02:20:17.140 democracy we're here on a hill overlooking thing wall the viking thing what is a viking thing

02:20:25.940 well mark thing is old norse for assembly or parliament and across the road from here this

02:20:34.020 is would you believe one of the most significant historical sites on wirral and possibly even the

02:20:39.940 the northwest because this is where the the Wirral Norsemen had the parliament. This thing

02:20:46.340 would have served the Scandinavian community on Wirral back in the 10th century and possibly

02:20:52.720 the 11th century and it would have met probably once a year maybe twice a year to discuss

02:20:59.200 policy law and other things. And if a foreign policy decision was required in Iceland they

02:21:06.520 would have a bigger vote involving everyone from iceland and that would be called the all thing

02:21:11.320 a-l-t-h-i-n so that's what you would you'd hear viking people talk about that a lot the all thing

02:21:16.640 and they would have a central guy called the law keeper and he was this you'll like this i think

02:21:23.560 this is what i wanted to tell you your type of mind would love this so they had a guy who was

02:21:28.880 kind of in charge called the law keeper but he was just a regular guy who proved himself and every

02:21:34.240 year that the test that he could be a law keeper was he had to recite at least one third of the

02:21:39.920 entire law by memory and if he couldn't do it then he was he was out so he always had to prove

02:21:46.740 himself yeah and i just have a note here basic libertarian democracy at work yeah actually if

02:21:53.980 you talk to hardcore ancaps the medieval icelandic culture is the one that they bring up when people

02:21:59.980 say oh a stateless society has never been tried and i think historically medieval iceland is as

02:22:06.460 close as you get but the thing is is as much as much as i want to defend that you never had groups

02:22:13.280 of people there like you never had urbanities of like 10 000 20 000 30 000 people you always had

02:22:19.460 very small close-dent groups that that you know what i mean so it kind of it kind of worked out

02:22:23.820 but yeah it was very close to a stateless society and they were very very strict on people actually

02:22:29.080 legitimately deserving all of their roles so that's cool yeah it's it's really cool because

02:22:35.320 um like i said this this was iceland so i don't know if this was happening in other parts of

02:22:41.680 scandinavia or ireland or awells but i know for a fact it was happening in iceland and it would

02:22:46.360 become sort of a popular place for elites to go as well um and this they were the ones who founded

02:22:53.420 the city of Reykjavik so Reykjavik was by them with the help of Thor is what they say

02:23:00.960 and the other reason they went out to Iceland they were looking for new places to go 0.58

02:23:07.800 was because conquest was proving more difficult that the Irish were starting to push back that

02:23:13.600 the English were starting to win because you have to remember the types of conquest that the Vikings

02:23:18.260 want they didn't necessarily want to keep land and this is what i was talking about just before

02:23:23.500 that to get inside their heads you have to realize what they want is riches what they want is money

02:23:28.760 they want stuff but they don't really want to you know found a country just yet but then they kind

02:23:35.420 of got there as easy conquests became harder so all the easy money was gone then they they were

02:23:41.740 presented like okay well we need to do something we need we need to evolve so that's when they

02:23:46.300 started getting into building these new societies and this is why they ended up kind of landing in

02:23:51.140 america for a while too which is true that's not just a easter egg and red dead redemption too 0.51

02:23:56.700 the vikings did make landfall in north america before anyone else they just didn't stay there

02:24:05.600 very long um they actually a funny story they did run up against a bunch of natives and engage

02:24:11.380 almost immediately in a race war well when we were in when i was in public school we did actually

02:24:18.060 learn about that we learned about like the founding of canada like talking about like the

02:24:22.020 original colonists who were they and that was the big gotcha is they actually were the vikings it's

02:24:26.720 just that their settlements you could say their settlements didn't last but also they just that

02:24:30.220 wasn't their thing they didn't colonize or make settlements in the same way that the europeans

02:24:34.120 did yeah so well another example just of this thing we're talking about was uh this character

02:24:39.120 named rollo the walker so he was trying to take over paris he kept failing just couldn't crack

02:24:46.260 paris eventually he brokered a deal with a character named king charles the fat and that's

02:24:53.740 real guy i don't know if he was called that at the time or after but um he made a deal with him

02:25:00.480 where the entire army became christianized and they got lands to settle if they stopped attacking

02:25:06.020 and that's where normandy comes from normandy which is the land of the northmen um and then

02:25:12.360 again like i said what happened to them well they just faded in the people they just became

02:25:15.960 french you know so in that sense if you want to see where the vikings are now you know look around

02:25:22.060 you you know they're around you um so just one we'll finish on this this i found this so funny

02:25:27.880 so iceland filled up fast um with a lot of people the love settlers and you can always settle so

02:25:34.000 much before bumping up against someone so to really you know achieve your full liberty you

02:25:40.120 need a lot of space so in a sense it's quote filled up fast but that's because everyone needed

02:25:45.280 their own space so they started going west even still because they they can see in the distance

02:25:51.460 there's something out there they don't know what's out there but they just can see that's

02:25:55.220 where they discover greenland and if anyone knows anything about greenland it fucking sucks no one

02:26:02.480 wants to live in greenland but if you look at on google maps i still think it has a kfc there now 0.82

02:26:07.820 which is yeah but the funny thing is okay so here's the story

02:26:14.040 greenland was discovered by a man named eric the red pretty famous figure um and he he was

02:26:23.060 on the run he he went to uh greenland he was on the run because he kept being exiled for killing

02:26:29.400 his neighbors so that's why he went and but he and he found it and he wanted more people to come

02:26:35.860 there to settle it with him he can't do it by himself so he calls it greenland the purpose was

02:26:41.460 to trick people into thinking it wasn't a frozen hellscape and it worked he got a lot of p he went

02:26:49.900 back and told people this magic land called greenland and then they went there and they said

02:26:55.160 you fucker but that name stayed to this day they just that's the story of the vikings in a lot of

02:27:03.440 ways they name things and create the cities and nothing ever changed so we still call it greenland 0.84

02:27:08.000 to this day um and it just it wraps up it was uh leaf erickson who was the one who the first guy

02:27:16.760 who continued west and discover what was probably newfoundland um which was really good because

02:27:23.920 greenland lacked natural resources and was absolute hell to live on that's the reason they

02:27:29.320 went further west they said we got to find something to make this thing called greenland 0.90

02:27:33.700 work so he went out and found but then they ran up against the natives and it was a whole 0.97

02:27:38.380 a whole to do there's nothing terribly interesting when they go to to russia

02:27:43.420 um and become the russ and the russ become the russians and the ukrainians

02:27:49.540 um and both claimed to be descendants from the house of rorick the russ and rorick the russ

02:27:56.460 was a was a viking as well like this is where you get into genealogy stuff which is again very

02:28:02.160 interesting but really the story i wanted to tell was a story of the vikings as a much more

02:28:09.100 complex people than people might think um and the mark they left on europe specifically

02:28:15.380 um the place that the attempts they made at statecraft the attempts they made statecraft

02:28:21.720 that continued to this day and sort of what happens to a martial warrior class when confronted

02:28:29.360 with the progression of time how they just kind of fade into the people um and they had and the

02:28:36.280 way they had to adapt was through this power centralization one example would be christianization

02:28:42.040 it being done in a cynical way but you know the story here is that perhaps the ones who became

02:28:50.460 christian chose it and it wasn't really forced upon them and we know that because this book is

02:28:56.320 full of stories where they tried to force christianity on them and they pushed back very

02:29:01.280 very hard and it just didn't take it didn't it could not be taken unless they chose it themselves

02:29:07.040 and i think the reason they might have chose it would be for completely self-serving reasons

02:29:11.440 because much of their culture was completely self-serving up to that point like your kings

02:29:17.760 were bandits your kings were just conquerors who just made a there's very nihilistic and cynical

02:29:23.900 in a sense but you know to evolve into a something like a civilization because arguably there was no

02:29:29.720 civilization there was no viking civilization the stories of the vikings are largely told

02:29:35.580 by the people who fought against them and ultimately won and i think that you know the very

02:29:42.700 the legacy of the vikings is kept alive using by the people who employed the tactics that the

02:29:50.020 vikings were ultimately against but the vikings themselves had to adapt anyway and then you know

02:29:56.720 that's the story of them and i that sounds like i'm being critical of them but i'm not i i think

02:30:02.140 it's it's a very very compelling story and i think yeah i i think the story of the vikings

02:30:07.720 is actually that they they had a massive impact and that and then their their legacy is here to

02:30:13.960 this day anyway what do you think of all that i know we've been going for a while now no no it's

02:30:18.000 interesting it's it's interesting to hear it actually because somebody was talking in the

02:30:21.080 chat about the show vikings and i just started watching that a couple of weeks ago and it's

02:30:24.560 about the same guys that's the same characters it's a decent show too so that's that's neat yeah

02:30:29.360 there's all kinds of other stuff we could get into about various skirmishes with kings but i just

02:30:34.300 love the the english campaigns the most because it showed you know it showed the military

02:30:41.060 capabilities of vikings but it also showed you know their limitations um you know one of the

02:30:48.400 things like the trickery that vikings would do to like get people to like surrender to them

02:30:53.260 like vikings were the seemed to be the first guys who figured out they could just lie

02:30:57.060 he's like pay us to go away okay we'll pay you i'm not going away ah or we'll lie and say we're

02:31:05.040 not going to attack them but then we do and then i guess that had never been tried before

02:31:09.380 i guess just not not telling the truth and being children has never been attempted before or like

02:31:16.580 hey what if we just robbed the monasteries and then they did that for hundreds of years

02:31:21.520 until they said, no, we've got to stop

02:31:24.500 keeping our gold here.

02:31:29.080 Anyway, so that's good. 0.53

02:31:30.660 I hope I didn't piss off any Viking guys.

02:31:33.220 I think there's a lot of colorful characters

02:31:36.200 in Viking history.

02:31:37.060 Okay.

02:31:38.280 All right, that's good.

02:31:39.260 I'll let you go.

02:31:40.020 We've been going for a while.

02:31:41.300 No worries, man.

02:31:41.700 That was a good one.

02:31:42.300 I'll talk to you soon.

02:31:43.200 Cheers.

02:31:43.460 See you.

02:31:51.520 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you back

02:31:58.020 welcome to surviving by america one of the realest pro-white dissident nationalist podcasts

02:32:05.480 on the internet you will find nothing like it where we like to discuss topics and subjects

02:32:12.120 that other podcasts are afraid to now that doesn't necessarily mean we are hostile

02:32:17.640 we're hostile to other viewpoints or realities but we feel that such topics which concern our

02:32:24.600 people should be talked about with complete transparency oftentimes when i scour the landscape

02:32:31.960 of the dissonance sphere content that you are left with is what i can say largely derivative

02:32:43.000 That means it's kind of stale.

02:32:45.280 Now, of course, since our movement has a propaganda aspect,

02:32:49.860 there's little doubt that there will be repetition of messages.

02:32:53.900 Now, this is not necessarily a mark against the people creating the content

02:32:58.500 or, you know, to further interest in our cause,

02:33:01.780 just to say that it would be nice for us to venture sometimes

02:33:05.060 out of our hermetically sealed echo chamber.

02:33:08.560 There's no need for us to neglect said topics

02:33:10.800 because the people whom we consider our political opponents cover it.

02:33:15.580 There is much more to our existence than wallowing in the Jewish question

02:33:22.320 or the self-hate in the white question.

02:33:25.440 How many videos or podcasts can we have of hostile non-whites just victimizing us?

02:33:31.600 Anyway, that's where my next guest steps in. 0.99

02:33:35.080 Oftentimes, I have wondered what a dirtbag right podcast would sound like.

02:33:40.300 One with such irreverence of Comptown or the Red Scare, yet still present a somewhat, albeit schizoid, package wrapped in tinfoil to appease everybody from the educated wignet to the most snobbish, neo-reactionary monarchist.

02:33:59.820 The answer I believe is basically Blood Satellite.

02:34:04.260 Sometime I discovered them way back in 2019. 0.89

02:34:08.500 They were being described as the right-wing Cenobite culture. 0.84

02:34:12.180 I was like, what the hell is that?

02:34:14.600 I wondered if this just meant right-wing bug men who enjoyed the likes of Clyde Barker's Hellraiser.

02:34:20.200 I didn't know exactly what to expect from my foray into such madness.

02:34:23.760 what i got was two leaf expats steeped in their own unique internet culture on a mission with

02:34:31.360 hyperstition that's right you're one step you're one stop of sophisticated schizoid extravaganza

02:34:38.700 making his debut on surviving vimerica i bring you uh one half of the blood satellite dimes

02:34:47.040 man that was such a nice intro like i'm gonna clip that i'm gonna loot that when i'm at the

02:34:53.520 fucking gym okay i'm glad i'm now i like yeah i am i am fucking good i like it i like it hell yeah 0.93

02:35:00.940 now he's here to talk about some interesting things in our a movement and you know excuse 0.83

02:35:07.660 me i'm usually formal but i'm going to be a little bit informal for this uh interview we're going to 0.92

02:35:13.360 discuss args ghetto zoomers and the glaring problem of sociopathy in the dissident sphere 0.92

02:35:21.020 so before we get into that why don't you kind of give us you know an introduction to you 0.92

02:35:27.820 your podcast and how you came about in this direction because it is kind of uh i kind of

02:35:36.600 wonder since you know you kind of come from a different walk of life than i've seen a lot of

02:35:41.700 other people in this yeah well i'm gonna do a worse job than you just did uh but i'm gonna give

02:35:47.680 it a shot anyway okay but um yeah so it's myself and my co-host judas two uh european men uh

02:35:58.000 canadians he lived in hong kong for quite a sleeves uh self-raking leaves uh he lived in

02:36:05.840 hong kong for a bit um and he ran a business he's a blue collar guy ran his own factory ran his own

02:36:11.700 he's in carpentry i am i lived in canada the whole time and um i work in marketing so that

02:36:18.960 right there it's kind of worlds colliding um and we we knew each other since high school

02:36:24.600 so we kind of have we have a different rapport than some other shows so we've got personal

02:36:30.320 stories we we lived we were roommates for a long time um so we we've got a different way of

02:36:35.940 communicating that's a lot more we have a common language and i think that's what really helps and

02:36:41.440 a lot of the times it's just us riffing and having fun um then you know what caused us to start a

02:36:47.360 podcast uh is the same thing that causes every white canadian to start a podcast which is it's

02:36:53.760 just in your dna if you're white and you're in canada you become a content creator it's just 0.55

02:37:00.260 what you do really like every okay we know like we've looked who's got the fucking stats i got 0.70

02:37:07.520 them like half of the scene is either canadian the other half is true american it is true it is 0.89

02:37:13.040 what it is for whatever reason so if you're not south american and you're listening to this you're

02:37:17.760 probably canadian no sorry bud well i got quite a bit of like a diverse audience i would say

02:37:25.100 including probably a lot of people that are hate watchers from the spLC and people like socialist 0.57

02:37:32.320 dog mom and some others that love my cock love my content love my coom tits 0.61

02:37:37.960 i've been trying to recruit feds i've been trying to get like i assume the spLC has got a couple 0.65

02:37:46.340 interns and i'm trying to make content for them i'm trying to bring them over and i think okay

02:37:50.180 we we can put out such a good product that we corrupt the fbi from the inside now some might

02:37:57.260 say that's a blue sky strategy but you know what i just call me mr blue skies let me ask you though

02:38:03.040 i i like your optimism now i'm a little bit more pessimistic i think the feds are not really going

02:38:09.200 to come over to our side because they have just so many benefits and identifying as someone who

02:38:14.640 is you know race a racialist or someone with our views is just not going to go over well

02:38:20.080 in terms of like you know and there's really nothing for them here like how how do you give

02:38:25.320 them that great uh package you know how they get how do you give it on basically in a on a golden

02:38:30.580 platter so how do we give the content to to who just the average person you said the feds you

02:38:36.160 said we'll love it but i mean uh what what incentive do they have to join us well what's

02:38:41.920 interesting is that i think they're working on kind of weeding out the people in these institutions

02:38:47.300 who would be they do this in the military too by getting rid of the troublemakers and i think

02:38:52.060 statistically i'm pulling this out of my ass but it sounds right when i say it when i say

02:38:57.020 most of the troublemakers in society tend to be white men they're the ones who tend to push back 0.69

02:39:01.800 against things and that is not good for an institution they would rather have this sort of 0.68

02:39:07.400 you know flexible class of just you know having an or a government organization of just indian

02:39:13.120 guys is a dream for them because indian guys don't question nothing so you know the type of

02:39:19.540 content would be you know what like as long here's why i always come back to nothing that we say is 0.99

02:39:26.300 truly extremist it's extremist from the position of the power structure but to us nothing that we

02:39:33.420 say is really that crazy for most people there's obviously some people i'm sure we're going to get

02:39:37.000 to that this episode of course but the types of topics we advocate for are not actually crazy and

02:39:44.200 i don't like it when people accept that framework um i think josh neal's got a lot of stuff on this

02:39:49.100 if you ever talked to him like he's he's got a whole book from imperial press about extremism

02:39:52.760 same sort of thing but i always come back to like the stuff we want and we advocate for

02:39:57.620 might be proposed inelegantly sometimes but there's nothing crazy really about the race

02:40:04.020 realism stuff about the geopolitics stuff that we all talk about as long as you remember that

02:40:08.780 and and operate with that mindset you don't need to just say things in a crazy way and i think that

02:40:15.540 I think there's a lot of very, very persuasive people on our side that just kind of handicapped themselves by being, you know, cynical or blackpilled, whatever you want to call it.

02:40:26.860 But, you know, maybe maybe I'm too naive, but I don't know. 0.75

02:40:30.420 I like the scene. I like I wouldn't be anywhere else in the world than here.

02:40:34.520 And I still I mean, I've been here for years, but I'm like, what else is interesting out there? 1.00

02:40:39.700 that is despite the malcontents and a lot of the people that you've encountered that you know

02:40:44.180 are a little bit out there yeah i mean that you're gonna get that anywhere and i think some

02:40:49.480 it's very easy for people on the right to get so locked into our thing this thing of ours that we

02:40:55.740 forget we can do a grass is greener on the other side situation and it's really not greener like

02:41:01.000 the as bad as we might have it over here the left antifa is way worse and the libs are way worse so

02:41:09.060 it's like you know sometimes we're a bit harder on ourselves than we should be which is comes

02:41:14.100 hand in hand with being disciplined i get that what about the dirtbag left though i mean they

02:41:18.160 seem like they're having fun they kind of are uh but they're always in a fight and that's what's

02:41:24.000 interesting about them like are they fights if you look at if you look at content critters like

02:41:28.820 even destiny and vausch because you follow them like i do there's sort of like a bread i'm more

02:41:35.300 I'm more of a Red Scare and Comptown fan than Destiny and Valsh, but they're okay for streamers, I guess.

02:41:41.060 Well, that's very interesting, Casey, because if you look at the evolution of Red Scare over the years, 0.50

02:41:45.660 like they just started off as Bernie girls.

02:41:48.140 Then they kind of got into Menchus Moldbug really, really late.

02:41:51.980 But that's where they are now. 0.97

02:41:52.840 Like they're playing around in this sort of soup where, you know, it's the Bronze Age perverts. 0.93

02:41:58.740 It's all that stuff. 0.77

02:41:59.220 They're toying with ideas that they would never consider toying with a few years ago, probably because.

02:42:05.300 one of them i believe at least one of them is now a mom and that does a certain thing to a

02:42:10.000 woman's mind she becomes a mom she starts yeah you just kind of flip a switch and become a

02:42:14.240 different type of trad lady but watching their evolution has been fascinating i'm not i don't 0.59

02:42:19.900 love where they are now because they've kind of landed in this fucking sarcastic cosmopolitan 0.59

02:42:25.680 you know they they think like bronze age pervert is gonna lead america like weird stuff i don't

02:42:31.240 but i'm like i can work with that yeah i can work with that type of mind because um the i won't get

02:42:41.160 on a tangent on this but the one thing that uh curtis yarvin and men just mulbug is been pushing

02:42:46.960 i think is pretty interesting because he's trying to think of a new system outside of the ai stuff

02:42:52.260 he's his his sort of civilizational ideology is what he calls vitalism and within that wrapped

02:42:59.460 up you get all of that virtue ethics stuff you get like strength honor duty virility a lot of like

02:43:06.800 the heart like baseline hardcore masculine stuff that we like on the right like he's trying to

02:43:12.280 advocate for that in like a political sense kind of like what edward dutton is kind of doing as

02:43:16.980 well okay so i'm like okay like i'm seeing ideas be introduced and i'm i don't know where they're

02:43:23.140 going to go but i think there's there's some movements that are happening now that i'm we

02:43:29.480 were talking about this before the show about like maga communism like what infrared has is doing i'm

02:43:35.240 like yeah this is fucking weird but even he a lot of these leftists a lot of these marxists are 0.66

02:43:40.360 taking a stand against degeneracy and a stand against transgenderism now that that's good news

02:43:48.100 for society that's bad news for us and i'll tell you why because that's what we had going for us 1.00

02:43:52.680 for the longest time that we were the only ones pushing back against transgender that whole 0.54

02:43:57.140 movement now that the left and even the libs are getting into that they will deny us that clout 0.98

02:44:04.400 that we deserve they're going to try and say that they were the ones who are pushing back against it

02:44:08.580 the entire time we're we're not our side isn't prepared generally for when we win that's my 1.00

02:44:15.740 opinion my opinion is i'm i think we're going to see the tide roll back on this transgender stuff 0.77

02:44:21.140 not the lgb stuff but the trans stuff and then we're going to be stuck holding the bag and we're 0.79

02:44:27.820 going to be we don't know what happens when we get what we want we haven't prepared for that

02:44:31.380 and it's going to be snatched from us i think by the the left in some way now when you first started

02:44:38.360 in in this whole like endeavor um like you've i i have to say i've listened to you guys this

02:44:44.020 podcast and you've quite grown just like i've grown from like when i first started back in 2019

02:44:49.900 and i have to say um you guys identified with uh right-wing cinebite culture what's that about

02:44:57.560 oh uh some of that's just us shit posting and having fun um like we say harmony jamming

02:45:05.100 splain splaining a lot of that was just uh an aesthetic we were developing with the website

02:45:11.040 and me trying to because like i had mentioned before i work in marketing so we're trying to

02:45:16.180 develop uh not a brand but sort of um like what are we here to do i try to communicate that we're

02:45:21.200 here to kind of be weird have fun we do not stray away from the esoteric we're very political where

02:45:28.420 we swim in the same waters as a lot of yourself and many others but we don't shy away from some

02:45:34.640 of the trippy stuff and that's where we can we can go into artificial intelligence we can go into

02:45:39.660 quantum mechanics we can go into these really really fringe conspiracy theories and and have

02:45:45.200 fun with them and give them you know a fair shake so i thought that's pretty much what that was about

02:45:52.160 and i thought okay people see this cluster of words they'll get maybe the vibe that we're going

02:45:57.980 for because it is a weird show there's a lot of weird stuff that happens on it that's why i like

02:46:01.800 it yeah that's why i like it but let me ask you let me go back to the whole extremism point now

02:46:07.860 i'm a little bit more edgy than a lot of your guests and a lot of the people probably i'd say

02:46:14.280 with the exception of some people like maybe thomas 777 um you know i'm kind of like out there

02:46:21.240 in terms of like my view on extremism i think there is a kind of revolutionary and uh even

02:46:28.400 terrorist chic now i don't endorse it per se but i like the aesthetics i like the aesthetics i like

02:46:35.060 the way it's sort of uh i i think it is a very masculine aesthetic as opposed to you know showing

02:46:42.260 white kids getting beaten by you know hostile non-whites every every five minutes or kind of

02:46:48.560 trying to play into the middle class um white population because that's where the money's at

02:46:55.980 uh so i i kind of like the revolutionary stuff you know i kind of like that so my my question

02:47:01.780 you before before you answer is how do you okay maybe you can't do outright kind of extremism 0.57

02:47:08.580 But how do you kind of play with those aesthetics and make it satirical and kind of make it also what I would call the dirtbag white? 0.60

02:47:16.880 Not necessarily the dirtbag right, but that can be done as well. 0.77

02:47:21.320 You know, one way that I've started to do it is that we'll play around with violence, but we'll be sure to make it sound so grandiose.

02:47:30.020 Yeah, artistic violence. I'm just saying.

02:47:32.560 yeah like you know i said today at work uh in my office i work at that i want to stab every single

02:47:39.880 person who works at meta and now they laughed because they know oh dimes he can't go stab

02:47:45.880 everyone at meta little do they know but but but you know like i want to don't let me see you on 0.83

02:47:53.420 the news yeah like i want to i would like to pick up israel and throw it in the ocean shit like that 0.72

02:47:59.980 you know you get the idea but it's not like i want to i'm not even going to say it i'm not going to 0.64

02:48:04.740 start listing them up because i would agree that but you know there's ways to do it where you are

02:48:08.960 having fun and you are kind of venting and you are signaling to people but like for me when i had

02:48:14.000 said that there aren't extreme people on nrc well obviously there are even myself i would probably

02:48:18.920 count myself despite how charming i am and handsome and successful i would probably count myself as

02:48:25.800 some of the more extreme guys and so is my co-host judas like we are we're the give war a chance type

02:48:31.720 of guys okay um and and you know part is oh is he joking now but you know we are pretty extreme in

02:48:38.400 that but we're not blackpilled about i think that's what we're different where we're not just

02:48:42.000 it's so over all the time i see pessimism is kind of a poison or as long as you recognize what the

02:48:48.380 problem is like i'll give you an example one that's not just race related but talk overpopulation

02:48:53.140 generally the earth you know has too high of a population i think now what is the answer for that

02:48:59.120 the only answer for that can be extreme the only answer to what do we do about the exploding 0.99

02:49:05.980 population africa there's no solution that's not extreme it's either going to be genocide or 0.99

02:49:11.080 eugenics of some kind yeah some but so like that is when you talk about serious problems big

02:49:16.480 problems any solution is going to sound extreme to the the centrists or whatever but and that's

02:49:23.300 like even when we talk we covered a pentelon cola who they call an eco-fascist he's not really a

02:49:28.800 fascist but it's more of a missile throw up yeah hardcore environmentalist but to me the only

02:49:36.160 reasonable environmentalist because if you are an environmentalist truly and you've thought about

02:49:41.160 it all the way to the bottom you have to understand that the earth is popular overpopulated he thinks

02:49:46.180 it should be brought down to something like 750 million so for him to be a serious environmentalist

02:49:52.220 he has to say well billions must die now what do we do about that you know he doesn't have any

02:49:56.920 game plan but that's the reality you fucking you live in and it seems that they were extreme

02:50:03.280 measures taken throughout history to accomplish great things like the only the old louis ck bit 0.57

02:50:09.140 he did like everything great in human history just threw human suffering at it yeah it is what it is

02:50:14.680 and we haven't really changed that much but so let me ask you though um i've noticed there's a

02:50:20.500 lot of like entrapment online and matter of fact there is like some people who believe

02:50:25.200 such as like the buffalo shooter may have been uh coaxed by an fbi agent and clearly i've seen

02:50:32.000 these things play out over and over again not literally you know i was there but i've seen it

02:50:37.640 play out over and over again and it seems like people have a problem with impulse and time

02:50:44.680 orientation and naivete like it looks like people that get into these movements um i could say

02:50:51.620 quiet and i don't want to i don't want to like give people the impression about myself but i've

02:50:56.200 been in situations where i have had to face danger i've had to duck you know people who i felt were

02:51:02.500 probably informants um you know i'm just saying living in kind of an inner city environment 1.00

02:51:07.560 it more attunes you to these types of uh you know these vibes but it seems like a lot of the zoomers 1.00

02:51:13.380 and even like a lot of the younger millennials they don't understand that they really are trying 0.99

02:51:18.260 to entrap you like how do we avoid this well that's a big question and the problem is i'll

02:51:23.900 start with this by saying that broadly and i'm not accusing you of this but broadly i see this

02:51:30.100 in the scene i don't like entertaining this like intergenerational war that we go on like everyone

02:51:36.120 likes to complain about the boomers but then it's like oh the millennials are the real bad ones or

02:51:40.320 the gen x are the real bad ones i don't like that's just very divisive that's an unnecessary

02:51:46.120 divisiveness within our own sectors you know like that's just a way to like make white guys hate

02:51:52.700 their grandfathers which is something i want to avoid completely um so i i don't think which is 0.88

02:51:58.660 to say i don't think zoomers are any less equipped than millennials might have been in the given

02:52:03.420 situation um the other thing let me qualify that let me call i don't mean to interrupt you but let

02:52:08.500 me qualify what i mean is that i'm saying like growing up in a suburb growing up in kind of a

02:52:13.080 sterile safe environment uh kind of doesn't prepare you for what could potentially happen

02:52:19.980 and how people can coax you into uh doing stuff very very combine that with impressionable and

02:52:26.580 very naive i mean this can happen to anybody even streetwise people can be entrapped but i mean

02:52:32.880 people that are more streetwise typically don't get as entrapped uh in the situation they can

02:52:37.940 kind of smell informants it's kind of a vibe thing you can tell uh when someone is an informant and 1.00

02:52:43.380 or fed or whatever yeah yeah um you can probably suss that out i i would think that zoomers be 1.00

02:52:49.540 better at it but maybe they're not they're not uh yeah the problem is it's also just an age thing 1.00

02:52:55.060 that i'm not sure how old you are i'm in my mid-30s so once you hit your 30s you gain this

02:53:01.820 superpower of wisdom where you can just suss things out easier so it's a young man thing

02:53:06.960 um i i was thinking about this a lot today in preparation for the show and i don't like to

02:53:13.740 lecture people i don't like to tell people that they're doing the wrong thing because there's a

02:53:17.600 lot of guys in our scene with a lot of there's a lot of movements and they're good and i don't

02:53:21.640 want to disparage any particular movement so let's start with that but i think that the one

02:53:27.760 of the biggest ways the young guys especially get in trouble is when they try and do too much too

02:53:31.580 fast now there's a lot of young guys in our scene who i greatly admire younger than myself and

02:53:36.480 they're very sensible and intelligent and effective and i'm not telling them to stop but i think

02:53:41.800 generally for a lot of young guys by young i'll say like late teens 18 19 mate right up to your

02:53:49.200 mid-20s which is usually the type of guy who gets rolled up in this shit let's say up until like

02:53:53.840 27 i i think it's because they like they're this will tie into another thing i'm sure we're going

02:53:59.600 to talk about like they're looking for they're almost looking for someone to tell them what to

02:54:02.940 do they're looking for leaders and there's a lot of guys in our scene right now young guys who are

02:54:07.580 like we need a leader they need someone to tell them what to do um i think that's how they fall

02:54:12.620 for feds that's also how they fall for grifters that's also how they fall for a whole array of

02:54:19.940 older guys who are going to just manipulate and abuse them to various degrees i'm not mentioning

02:54:25.960 any names obviously but that the problem i think is that i think young guys and they probably won't

02:54:31.800 want to hear this but i think there is a pathway through this to navigate this minefield and i

02:54:36.920 think like and maybe this is my bias but for me your 20s should mainly be spent for self-improvement

02:54:44.960 um and that should be you know getting in shape getting your your life sorted out getting skills

02:54:52.640 getting professional skills um because your your skill let me put it this way your skill in life

02:54:58.680 should not be just being a revolutionary and that's an idea i'd like to develop more in this

02:55:03.700 talk at some point but a lot of people they want their job to be a dissident they want their job

02:55:10.320 to be a revolutionary and i find overall generally these are the ones who get roped up into everything

02:55:16.740 and they shouldn't whereas if they have some other life plus politics they have those street smarts

02:55:25.180 this is how you get the street smarts this is how you get your crew and then tie that into active

02:55:30.080 groups tie that into your manner buns and then evolve from there but what you get is these young

02:55:36.020 guys they hit the ground running they're probably raised on the internet kind of like a lot of my

02:55:39.840 generation was millennials but they're like i want to be a soldier right now for a cause and then they

02:55:44.840 go shopping for a cause i think if you're shopping for a cause you're going to get rounded up by

02:55:49.360 either a grifter or a fed whereas i think there's a slower path you could and a more reasonable path

02:55:55.440 you can take as a young man that's and if it's not joining the military it's creating your own

02:56:01.140 essential military i'm not saying to get into militia but a lot of the military guys i talk

02:56:06.200 to right now are like don't get in the military i'll give you a plan so you can get the skills

02:56:10.120 that a military guy would probably have and then find your guys find your crew and kind of develop

02:56:15.200 your mind that way to a point where you can't really be taken advantage of by the guy who's

02:56:19.900 promising you the world and that you what you won't run afoul of you know the Richard Spencer's

02:56:25.860 fine I'll say one name there he's not gonna watch this anyway so I mean you can you could say his

02:56:32.720 name all away yeah and this is a big idea like there's a step-by-step process we could take and

02:56:37.960 it sounds I'm not trying to do like a Jordan Peterson thing where it's like clean your room

02:56:42.120 but I because the thing is for a young man I would I want them to be more like you said more

02:56:48.540 suspicious of the men who approach them offering them the plan and the world um and i would like

02:56:55.400 to increase those street smarts and i'm just i'm trying to create a a game plan for young men going

02:57:02.380 forward because i don't want them to think oh dimes is trying to be the leader i'm actually

02:57:06.180 not i'm trying to give you a blueprint so you wouldn't be entrapped by someone like me or a fed

02:57:12.780 but you can collab but you can collaborate somebody's gonna misquote that yeah but you

02:57:17.860 collaborate with people because once you have those street smarts once you have a skill set

02:57:22.360 that you can fall back on that isn't just being a dissident or a revolutionary then you can come

02:57:28.000 to the table and collaborate with other like-minded men and then you can work on projects now you're

02:57:33.460 building a fucking homestead now you're building a parallel society whatever the fuck it is but

02:57:39.080 that's a big problem on the right right now where there's a lot of eager young guys but they don't

02:57:43.620 have anything to bring to the table but that's not their fault they're young guys but you're

02:57:47.740 supposed to be spending this time you know for me my art history was was a bit unique like we were

02:57:53.000 into you know just construction and drug dealing and shit like that you know we're a bunch of

02:57:59.140 scoundrels over here this is back when we were in our teens so it was did you say drug dealing

02:58:03.440 a bit weird yeah just a bit well i don't have a squeaky clean uh past either well yeah we were

02:58:10.560 living in you know in a kind of shitty steel town area and it was just you know i don't know i don't

02:58:17.060 defend it but i know there's a lot of guys in our scene who have kind of sketchy past and like i

02:58:23.000 don't defend it but it did give them a bit of street smarts it did give them a bit of insight

02:58:29.340 into how the world works and i think that's what our young guys lack it's it's true insight

02:58:34.060 on how the real world works and so they they can easily get spun up by crazy tales of other

02:58:42.200 revolutionaries and stuff you know you can find that you and people listen this front of five

02:58:47.240 guys like i'm talking about right now yeah of course i mean people have seen those types including

02:58:52.380 uh the um belated not belated but uh brandon russell what happened to him is kind of a tragedy

02:58:59.580 uh that that is like kind of a cautionary tale but there's many such people and also like you

02:59:07.260 know there's little things we could always advise people against like if it seems obvious to me but

02:59:13.200 like if you meet a guy online who's trying to or a gal who's trying but the gal's a guy who's trying

02:59:19.660 to coax you into like doing terrorism against the government you know i mean like that there's always

02:59:26.820 going to be like schizophrenics too there's always going to be people who just stumble into this

02:59:31.780 who aren't mentally equipped for anything really and they're going to be low-hanging fruit for a

02:59:38.040 manipulative government so i also want to establish that i'd also want to establish that

02:59:42.080 i'm not trying to victim blame here there are federal agents who are working to get you in

02:59:49.020 trouble and if you have an autistic brother the federal agencies will try and get your autistic 0.71

02:59:55.120 brother in jail for blowing up the white house that that should fill you with anger i'm not 0.83

03:00:00.280 talking about that i'm talking about kind of that mid-range you know they're sensible enough guys

03:00:04.960 but they just kind of fall into like adam waffen or something but i what it really boils my 0.50

03:00:12.100 fucking blood when it's clearly just an autistic guy that a federal agent was looking to like 0.62

03:00:17.080 score easy points with you know and they have done that before i saw a vice documentary where 0.65

03:00:22.620 They were they had this particular FBI agent or some kind of cop who had infiltrated the school and he coaxed this autistic kid into buying drugs from him.

03:00:33.500 So clearly there are setups. There are clear setups. And no doubt, I think this happens on a daily basis. 0.73

03:00:40.660 And, yeah, they use not only informants, but they use women as lures as well.

03:00:46.720 Oh, yeah. Well, we did an arc on our show about the CIA.

03:00:49.820 it's really interesting how they do it because a lot of the times they'll try and roll people up 0.90

03:00:54.260 without even a plan uh which sounds like something the cia would do you know they like and they did

03:01:00.460 this with they do the celebrities back in the mid 20th century they did this with um who's that 0.58

03:01:06.080 famous satanist guy anyway there's uh yeah maybe no the other uh he's got a keno you mean a keno

03:01:14.140 he started that thelema religion is it oh alistair alistair yeah there's like rumors of him

03:01:20.380 being tapped but the thing is that's what the cia does they'll tap you they like here's here's the

03:01:25.640 trick once you understand how the uh the cia and the feds operate you can kind of see who they look

03:01:31.660 for they love people with delusions of grandeur they love people who think they're owed a lot by

03:01:37.380 society people who think they should be famous and rich and they say we can get you that and

03:01:42.860 also like there's a whole bunch of people out there who think it's cool to be a narcissist

03:01:47.280 yeah yeah better yeah look at these big fucking words this guy making me look like a fucking 0.51

03:01:53.860 narcissist they love narcissists so how many narcissists do you know um you know because i

03:02:01.080 also i think the government institutions like the cia are capable of being inept and capable of

03:02:07.100 failing but you know they evolve and learn they know they've got dossiers on okay what would make

03:02:13.260 the right wing happen what what can we do to neutralize them right now what can we give them

03:02:18.600 to make them shut up so you always got to be you got to be you know this is something again that

03:02:24.220 comes with age but you always got to be thinking about what your enemy thinks of you and think

03:02:28.760 about what are my blind spots what are my weaknesses and it requires a lot of self-awareness

03:02:33.940 which again a lot of young people don't have and that's just that's going to be young people

03:02:37.720 forever um and young people bring a lot of stuff to the table but you know there's a reason that 0.69

03:02:42.480 they're targeted the most and you know for life destroy life destroy what the fuck am i saying

03:02:48.660 it's not that's not even anything life destruction yeah fuck it's late yeah yeah same here um 0.85

03:02:56.420 i understand uh but anyway uh you know something also that kind of stuck out in my mind about you 0.69

03:03:03.180 know things i was listening to on your podcast is you said something that the right isn't very good

03:03:08.380 at brainwashing people and that kind of ties in to what you said about the cia and it reminds me

03:03:13.380 of this case of like candy jones which is uh highly uh speculative but it's claimed that this

03:03:19.720 this woman was kind of groomed almost from her um i would say her early 20s uh by intelligence

03:03:28.540 operatives to you know to basically perform certain tasks uh spy on people uh kind of promote

03:03:36.100 misinformation and there are you know many such cases and you know in addition to that you mentioned

03:03:41.020 the cia and i believe the cia is they like to create fronts like most of these people they

03:03:47.280 like to create fronts they like to create fake groups fake organizations and fake realities

03:03:54.360 so they entice people into their membership and then they sort of pull the rug underneath them

03:04:01.100 and that's kind of what we see over and over again i don't know if you're familiar with pat con

03:04:05.600 but that's something that happened in the 90s with the militia with pat con and they used

03:04:09.800 what's interesting about that they actually used um the i think the sovereign order of saint john

03:04:16.880 a kind of a quasi-Catholic Masonic Lodge to sort of entice people. 0.96

03:04:23.880 They did the same thing in the years of lead with the P2 Lodge. 0.99

03:04:28.420 These things are confirmed. 0.99

03:04:29.520 These are not conspiracy theories.

03:04:30.820 You can do the Freedom of Information Act, and they will disclose all this information to you.

03:04:38.020 Yeah, that's a good point.

03:04:39.680 And we've been talking about young men specifically here,

03:04:43.580 but i don't want to give the idea that older guys are immune to this and you gave a great example

03:04:50.860 right there so like i just said i think it behooves all of us you know especially i'm sorry

03:04:58.140 especially the old heads out here who think they're they're above it all you know can you 0.79

03:05:03.640 think think like your enemy is there a way is there a pathway to convince you and you're going 0.71

03:05:08.880 everyone's going to say no when they hear this but think about is there a way to chart you into

03:05:13.480 betraying your friends is there a five-step plan that they can employ there probably is figure out

03:05:19.620 what that is now and get ahead of it would they need to lean on your family what could they promise

03:05:24.900 you and here's just to the point you were making that is there a way to pit your niche group on

03:05:31.800 the right against another niche group and i'll give you one example for that like is there a

03:05:37.420 reality where this christian nationalism movement could be hijacked by the feds and turn them

03:05:44.100 against who they describe as the extra friend the wig nats the real bad guys on the right

03:05:49.760 even though the christian again not trying to disparage the christian nationalists but

03:05:54.160 you know i had a buddy of mine on a ryan turnip was it ryan turnip seed i think it was

03:05:59.420 he was the one talking about how much he hates mormons and he was saying that the mormons as

03:06:04.720 a religion are uniquely predisposed to siding with the government and working for the government

03:06:09.920 and so in that sense i'm trying to survey the landscape of like the little little subgroups

03:06:15.920 that we have i'm like is there any group that will be uniquely predisposed to a side with the

03:06:22.400 american government and b side with them to take on who they think are the real bad guys on the

03:06:28.360 right because that's how it starts then you spin that out into a total betrayal of everyone else

03:06:33.340 But, like, look for those threads that could be pulled.

03:06:37.940 And I think, you know, there's some obvious ones.

03:06:39.500 Like, we're keenly aware of what it's like for a Fed to try and bait someone in to do a blow up the fucking White House or whatever it is.

03:06:48.120 But I think they've gotten more sophisticated, though.

03:06:50.500 I don't mean to cut you off.

03:06:51.580 That's the point.

03:06:52.540 We need to start thinking about the other ways, the other tactics of manipulation that might be in effect right now that are non-obvious.

03:06:59.820 well part of why i asked you that question is i was curious like what made you make that statement

03:07:06.280 in your podcast about how you know the right is just not good at brainwashing oh yeah okay good

03:07:11.580 point okay so back to that um it was more and again this won't apply to everyone there are of

03:07:18.660 course exceptions there's a lot of people on the distant right of course i'm huge huge fans of but

03:07:22.680 it's more that we have a predisposition to produce black pilling content okay and we've been doing it

03:07:30.180 for a long long time and so and two things one the content we traffic in is almost self-defeating a

03:07:37.940 lot of the ways it's a lot of it's so over there's not a lot of a there's not a lot of like a nice

03:07:43.460 time horizon the future it's just everything needs to blow up before we can do anything

03:07:47.680 and then also i found and maybe it's not as much right now but it's pretty much there

03:07:53.520 a hostility towards the general public a hostility towards what we would call the normie

03:08:00.160 and we saw this for a lot of the big big guys on our side i'm not going to mention any names but

03:08:06.740 people can probably think of individuals who like have no interest in really interfacing with the

03:08:12.140 general public they write the public off and we keep arguing ourselves in the smaller and smaller

03:08:15.840 spaces and so you know i try and just talk to people like you know i this is the task i always

03:08:22.600 give myself like can i explain these ideas that i have to my mother my mother is not a political 0.57

03:08:28.160 person your mom's a mom you know she doesn't really care about this shit if i can do that

03:08:32.700 that means we got a fighting chance or i got a fighting chance but if you're the type of person 0.92

03:08:37.480 who's like i've got nothing but contempt for regular people i i hate them i want to go over

03:08:43.020 here and lurk in the shadows i'm like well that's that's not going to make our ideas spread because

03:08:48.160 again there's nothing inherently wicked or evil or unpopular about our ideas we just kind of do

03:08:53.960 ourselves a disservice by doing proposing them in the most abrasive way and i think there is a way

03:09:00.380 this will sound crazy but there's an elegant way to introduce extreme ideas let me ask you what

03:09:06.800 are some of the ways that you would suggest those elegant ways to introduce some of the extreme

03:09:11.800 ideas that we have well an easy one would be production value um i think we don't have a lot

03:09:17.340 of good production value on the right we're good with podcasts but not for video so a lot of the

03:09:21.420 stuff we produce is kind of ugly that seems superficial so i'm not going to really lean on

03:09:26.140 that um no you have a point there aesthetics are very important you know an important thing um and

03:09:32.300 this is a general marketing note it's you always need to propose your idea within the frame of

03:09:37.980 reference of who you are speaking to so i'm just going to get i'll get weird here for a second and

03:09:43.480 say that uh on our show we talked about information theory and we talked about entropy and we talked

03:09:49.180 about this this thing we call communication and so what actually is communication when you're

03:09:53.900 talking to someone what are you doing you're making noises with your mouth not really from

03:09:58.560 an ontological sound standpoint what you're actually trying to do is teleport your thought

03:10:03.980 into their head and you obviously can't do that so you have to use whatever's at your disposal

03:10:08.520 and that's how language develops because an increasingly complicated and intricate language

03:10:13.960 is a way for you to transmit that idea across a distance and not have it fall prey to entropy

03:10:20.260 you know and a good example that would be when someone's yelling to you from a distance you're

03:10:24.820 like i can tell you're making noise i can tell it's at me but somewhere in the distance the

03:10:29.900 message is getting lost and i just hear garbled nonsense so keep in mind what you're trying to do

03:10:34.360 is transplant an idea into another person's head as accurately as you can and and it's unpacked in

03:10:40.920 their mind perfectly so when we're trying to explain an idea to someone you're you need to do

03:10:45.840 within their frame of reference and keep that in mind you don't necessarily need to drag them into

03:10:51.680 your frame of reference that's that's one thing that we do well on the right that i like but it

03:10:56.240 makes it a bit alien to people as we have our own terminology our own weird internet lingo but i'm

03:11:01.740 like there's no reason you can't if you can explain julius avola to a shit lip you can you

03:11:08.520 can do that but you'll need to explain it within on to understand who you're talking to and to have 0.55

03:11:14.360 you need to have not only an understanding of who you're talking to but you have to have an

03:11:19.000 affection for them and so if we want to let's use a framework of this audience which i'm sure which

03:11:23.460 is like if you're a white nationalist and you need to explain this is what seems like a basic

03:11:29.940 idea of self-preservation to other white people who seem hell-bent on destroying not only themselves

03:11:37.640 but all the white people around them now that's an interesting problem that's a problem people

03:11:42.220 beat their fucking heads against the wall yeah right and so it's like they don't they they think

03:11:47.160 the way we say it is bad and i'm not trying to tell people to like ditch their terminology but 0.87

03:11:52.960 just treat it like a campaign treat it like like i'm gonna task myself with explaining this basic

03:11:59.660 thing to a shitlib in their terminology using their frame of reference i you can do it and i've

03:12:05.380 seen i've seen it be done successfully and you you don't need to like lead with like white supremacy

03:12:10.120 but you can kind of lead you can use their own thought processes against them it's kind of a

03:12:15.240 bad example because shitlibs are just a disjointed fucked up people anyway but the idea is that

03:12:21.840 you can also we're actually better at doing this to black people than we are to other white people 0.91

03:12:26.820 that's true it is it's just a funny thing but we know how to do we know how to i mean i i will say

03:12:32.740 i think black people are easier to talk to about race than most white liberals yeah yeah but we

03:12:38.220 we kind of change our tone a bit when we're doing it with them but we know how to do it so i'm like

03:12:42.820 there's a lot of people on our side who don't do that or have written that off or say it's

03:12:48.380 no use doing that and i just reject that i think our ideas are inherently attractive if they're if

03:12:55.120 they're not if we don't do a disfavor to ourself and just do it in a really abrasive shitty snooty

03:13:02.080 way yeah and so if you could i would task anyone like i think you can do it i think you could do

03:13:07.160 it with your family members and it's not going to be it's not going to make sense right away

03:13:11.440 and some family members won't do it you know my sister would never accept it's a little too late

03:13:15.560 for that i i sort of spurred out on the jq well you know what because my family are evangelical

03:13:22.280 christians and i spurred out on the jq like i mean honestly i'm going to be honest completely

03:13:27.900 honest with you i've never been completely the ceo of like uh really hating other races per se

03:13:35.440 but i have i the jq thing is really something that i hold steadfast to and i think is a

03:13:41.180 persistent problem yeah the jq honestly that's one that i think could be the easiest for us

03:13:49.000 if done correctly because the thing most people don't like jews and i've seen that happen i've

03:13:55.220 seen it happen you have that affirmation do you have that affirmation in real life

03:13:58.840 i've seen like even i'm trying i don't want to give away too much information but i actually

03:14:04.040 saw it with my sister who is a diehard progressive social one of the first social justice warriors

03:14:11.900 that's out there and i saw her opinion of the jews change as she dealt with them as she aged

03:14:18.000 through life and also with like indians because she wanted to be like a social worker and so she

03:14:23.380 dealt every day with these people and i saw it change and it's not like at that point they're 0.95

03:14:30.100 open to new ideas right so you know for them i'll give you a tactic these people are really good 0.60

03:14:34.800 especially with the jewish thing so you gotta think of it like breadcrumbs and a lot of people

03:14:39.360 get fucked up because they think i to convince someone i need to have a debate and i need to win

03:14:44.580 that debate in reality if you win a debate or an argument that tends to embarrass people no one 0.92

03:14:50.280 likes to do that you very rarely do convince someone in a debate ever they have to be a certain

03:14:55.420 type of mind to do that i think that's more for ego of like people in the debate than more so than

03:15:00.260 winning people over but what you can do is give i've done this i've done i did this to my wife

03:15:04.980 i did this to lots of people you give them breadcrumbs and a big breadcrumb to start them

03:15:10.260 with is israel yes like is okay i'm gonna work within your framework you are anti-nationalist 0.53

03:15:16.560 you're anti-ethno state it's kind of weird that jews have this like open ethno state like and 0.57

03:15:22.200 we this has worked over the few years because i've seen the left the dirtbag left especially

03:15:27.340 uh really go hard against that but they do the whole like we're pro-palestinian thing but like

03:15:32.700 they're right there they're right there and i'm like i i can pull on that thread a bit i think

03:15:38.020 and that the next thread that you pull is the anti-zionism oh yeah here we go now at the end

03:15:45.420 of this is the holocaust but that's gonna be a way that's a ways away yeah but i we but honestly

03:15:52.120 here's how you get the holocaust thing talk to them about eli weisel's night get them to read 0.55

03:15:58.220 that and then have them read that and say this doesn't make any fucking sense 0.83

03:16:02.220 i was forced to read that in school that was pretty um we covered it on our show it's retarded 0.84

03:16:11.160 it yes it doesn't not only was it dismissed by other holocaust professionals but if you read it 0.78

03:16:16.180 you're like well that that's an insane thing that doesn't make any sense like so do that but there's

03:16:22.160 ways to do this but the point being it is a process uh in marketing this is it's a pretty

03:16:28.200 common tactic i'm sure a lot of people know but when you're running a large campaign it's called

03:16:32.980 a funnel strategy aida attention interest decision action so at the very top you're just trying to

03:16:40.700 like feed them a little bit, get them thinking, get them thinking, send them away. They will come

03:16:46.460 back. Cause what you're trying to do is get them to leave them with a question, leave them with

03:16:50.660 the Israel question. They're going to go away a few days, think about it, come back. And they'll 0.61

03:16:54.440 ask you a question like, yeah, I guess you're in about Israel, but like, why is that? Now you've

03:16:59.360 got them asking you a question. You're in, you've got them. Now they're on a journey with you and

03:17:04.580 you can do this with any number of things. Point being that people can call this red pilling if

03:17:09.460 they want but you know i i tend not to like that terminology but really what it is is you're taking

03:17:14.440 people on a journey in a way that doesn't seem scary and dangerous because a lot of like the

03:17:20.260 red pilling journey that we talk about it's fraught with peril and stuff i'm like there's a

03:17:24.920 way to get people along this intellectual pathway where it's not like trench warfare

03:17:30.880 i think there is i've done it i've seen it be done before and it can be fun you know because a lot of

03:17:37.860 people especially now because like for example i'm not sure if you like going into this stuff

03:17:42.660 but like the covid thing like there's a lot i'm not a big fan of the covid thing but continue

03:17:47.820 yeah so there's a lot of people right now who are really really pro vax who are getting out of that

03:17:55.460 right now and they're they were pro lockdown and they're not they don't know where to go

03:17:59.740 my goal is to be have someone there to welcome them into this because right now those people

03:18:06.680 are being scooped up by the progressives those people are being scooped up by the jimmy let me

03:18:11.680 let me make it clear um i am anti i'm anti-vax and uh but i and i don't think covid was probably

03:18:19.820 a real thing i think it was more of a social engineering tool i tend to see it as that and

03:18:24.500 it was overblown and exaggerated just to clarify to my audience so i'm not accused of being an

03:18:30.700 anti-vaxxer because i'm not i am an anti-vaxxer i mean i am not definitely pro-vax i just want to

03:18:39.680 make that clear to clarify that's everybody i love people are tired of it by this point too

03:18:44.880 you know like i get it no one wants to hear about the vax but the point being that there's a lot of

03:18:50.820 people who are primed to break off of a plantation they were previously stuck in it i'm as bad as

03:18:56.380 anyone for being vicious towards these people like i i wanted heads to roll i'm a i'm a i'm

03:19:04.500 a billions must die guy on most topics even video games but uh but the idea is i keep i had to reel

03:19:12.400 myself in because i'm like okay wait like are these people really a lost cause what am i here

03:19:16.600 for and when it comes to i think revolutionary dissident politics it's important for us to

03:19:23.180 ground ourselves and ask what are we actually here for so if you are a white nationalist you

03:19:28.280 always gotta come back to i'm here to help white people i'm here to save lives that's why i care

03:19:34.580 about the opioid crisis a lot so i find it's but for guys like me you know we can be pretty

03:19:40.400 abrasive guys but it's like i need to remember that i'm here to actually help people and save

03:19:46.320 lives and not wish death to like all these white people who i think have wronged me or whatever

03:19:53.020 and it's easy to get caught in that

03:19:55.520 I will say this

03:19:57.740 I will burst this topic

03:19:59.180 I agree with you from that standpoint 0.97

03:20:02.240 but I mean what about the white

03:20:04.020 elites everyone talks about

03:20:05.680 the JQ but nobody talks

03:20:08.060 about there are people

03:20:10.080 who able and abed

03:20:12.360 let's just say the

03:20:14.000 JQ and 1.00

03:20:15.120 people in our society to exploit other whites 1.00

03:20:18.260 and they have no racial consciousness 0.95

03:20:20.160 or awareness to preserve

03:20:21.540 either themselves or their culture what do you do about those soulless white elites you know well 0.60

03:20:28.520 i'd have to delineate between which ones are really like soulless evil people and who are just

03:20:34.200 you know company men for lack of a better word i'll give you an example a good question to ask

03:20:38.420 yourself is like look at the elites right now is there anything pick a few that you really hate

03:20:44.820 for whatever reason not george soros because he's he's gone he's there's no way to redeem i'm trying

03:20:49.520 to think um let's say news anchors or something like let's say oh i don't consider those people

03:20:55.480 elite i consider people like the melons um you know maybe peter teal maybe like elon musk maybe

03:21:02.780 people in silicon valley uh the finance district people who are like really have billions of

03:21:08.720 dollars that go around in lobbies uh people who head think think tanks those are the type of

03:21:14.340 people i consider elites i think those guys could actually be convinced some people might think i'm

03:21:20.580 too that's a very that's a very uh controversial opinion i don't agree with that but i'd like to

03:21:26.580 hear your uh your take on that i think sometimes like a lot of these guys they're hyper competent

03:21:32.320 in a very few key areas especially if it's in their skill sets and sometimes they don't even

03:21:38.280 have fully developed ideological views yet now there's some people out there in our seed who

03:21:43.880 claim that these people are anti-ideology i don't agree with that at all i believe a lot of elites

03:21:48.880 can and are ideologically driven i think there's a lot of elites who are less ideologically driven

03:21:54.740 than others or someone like like i look at musk and i'm looking okay this guy is close to autistic

03:22:01.040 as close to autistic as you can get and he has all the marks of a guy who was like just getting into

03:22:06.220 politics like he was just getting into like joe rogan later than everyone else but he's like

03:22:11.340 feeling his way around some of these elites are literally just like they they they're on twitter

03:22:16.640 and they get what they take what you give them and they're not like research people they're not

03:22:20.260 academics in that sense so i'm like you can convince some some you can't um so in the and

03:22:27.280 this is all again speculative but i would encourage people to ask like okay let's think of these

03:22:32.800 elites let's say they're elites that i'm convinced now are against my interest is there a anything

03:22:40.400 they could do to convince me that they're on my side like let's say the day we take over do i is

03:22:47.140 there is there a way they can gain my trust again i'll give you an example this is not related to

03:22:51.800 elites at all but it's kind of similar uh just today i think scott adams who i'm sure you know

03:22:58.740 about the creator i know yes yes big anti-vaccine went through a whole fucking meltdown and about

03:23:05.000 the vaccine he wants to kill himself real pathetic display but just today he came out with a video i'm 0.63

03:23:11.240 not sure when this is going to air but this week uh he was talking about he just started ranting

03:23:16.340 about black people for some reason like he was just saying that like white guys are persecuted

03:23:21.840 against and and black people are permitted to so like really left field anti-black stuff really

03:23:27.820 really and i'm like it made me think i'm like hmm if he doubled down on this would i forgive him for

03:23:33.380 the vac stuff maybe and i'm not saying yes but i'm like it got me thinking about what a pathway

03:23:40.360 to redemption could be and we could apply this to covid too and i don't think people think about

03:23:45.440 that they just think like i want my revenge now i'm like okay let's say you don't get heads on

03:23:50.920 spikes which is what a lot of people want is there some pathway to redemption for elites and another

03:23:57.160 way to look at it is do i really need them to be redeemed or do i always need them to be on my side

03:24:03.840 do i need do i need to have the peter teals of the world believe in what i believe or do i just

03:24:10.600 need their money now this is a very uh austrian painter way of looking at things because if you

03:24:16.780 know anything about the early early days of the third reich watching them navigate their elites

03:24:23.220 is very very illuminating a lot of people like the end of like the middle to end third reich stuff

03:24:28.700 the beginning is the real meat of it for me watching like hitler's revolution really start

03:24:34.240 to build up and watching him navigate their elites their conservatives getting capital for

03:24:39.640 their movement and then eventually betraying them but that's not to hmm not to make any threats or

03:24:46.660 anything but that is on the table where you're identifying people to get capital from to get

03:24:51.820 support from and then you deal with them later you think you can negotiate uh you think you could

03:24:56.400 like negotiate with someone like peter till he seems kind of a wild card to me from looking i

03:25:00.820 think i think if we go to peter till or someone like him with a project and it's not proposed

03:25:06.800 in the language that he's familiar with because that that's how we should approach it not like

03:25:11.860 do you want to fund my political party it's more like do you want to start to invest in this upstart

03:25:18.260 town. And in reality, it's a town of you and your comrades, your manurbund, whatever it is.

03:25:25.840 And it's like, why would you want to do that? Well, we're starting this new type of startup.

03:25:29.360 We're starting something that says this is something new and exciting and innovative.

03:25:34.360 That's what gets these guys involved. It doesn't need to be ideological, even though it is secretly,

03:25:40.300 but you don't put that in the business brief. So you can get investors in your white nationalist

03:25:45.600 projects if it's phrased in a certain way and i don't and that the key here is seeing if

03:25:51.760 someone like peter teal will force a diversity quote on you i don't think he will there's certain

03:25:57.900 people who will see give you my it's like yeah but you gotta have an indie woman in charge you

03:26:01.820 can you can negotiate your way through that but what i'm saying is that there's ways to come to

03:26:06.720 the table with a project that entices them rather than you know just subscribe to my patreon do you

03:26:14.920 think he's a little unpredictable though because like oftentimes when i look in a sociopaths they

03:26:19.520 have certain kind of dark personality traits i would say that would help them navigate american

03:26:25.220 society better than others or america or navigate the modern world a lot better than others and

03:26:30.860 don't you think he would kind of flip on you he could um there's ways once you were in that

03:26:37.520 space you could navigate that a bit better um and this is again very highly speculative because

03:26:44.080 a lot of guys in our scene don't know how to navigate that space. In my career, I've dealt

03:26:49.360 with startups before. I've worked in startup incubators. So I kind of know how these guys

03:26:55.380 think. I know I've talked to them. I've talked to these CEOs. They're not as scary as you think.

03:27:00.740 They're not even as duplicitous as you think. If anything, they're careless. If you look at

03:27:04.860 someone like Peter Thiel, hedge fund guys are great for this because hedge fund guys,

03:27:08.480 they do a big spread with their money. So they might invest in white nationalist projects,

03:27:14.080 number 69 and then they'll invest in like dirtbag left project and they'll just see what works

03:27:20.240 sometimes they're just gambling um those are the people i'm like you can get money that way you

03:27:25.580 actually don't need a partner you just need a guy with money and if he flips on you you know

03:27:31.660 you deal with that later but you know the way i look at it my experience in the business world

03:27:37.320 there's a lot of these partnerships are fluid anyway you're never going to have like a permanent

03:27:41.780 patron anyway and then he would just be one of many different funders you know for these

03:27:47.860 hypothetical projects better have your blackmail material ready yeah um and you could you could

03:27:53.940 do it where you know there's lots of ways to do it but if you're approaching it like

03:27:57.660 a business thing or a startup thing and this is just to appeal to these types of guys just because

03:28:03.860 i know what's in it for them like a guy peter teal you know why is he involved with like the 0.87

03:28:10.020 fucking you know bronze age pervert curverts yarvin guys because they're they are kind of 0.76

03:28:15.060 interested in our space um and they were interested in the alt-right for a minute 0.89

03:28:20.560 you know then we just had the wrong people at the forefront of that that may look really fucked up

03:28:26.900 and gay and stupid but like there is and i'm not saying that everyone needs to do it i guess that 0.63

03:28:31.980 this is also what i want to bring up is that this is more of an ecosystem model which is like we're 0.78

03:28:37.580 going to have like 20 200 of these plans going at once like here's one group going after this person

03:28:44.380 here's another group going after this person it's decentralized but it's a way going into it knowing

03:28:49.760 that what we're trying to do is to get capital extract capital for our own projects to build

03:28:55.480 the parallel society whatever it might be you know and i just think there's it's not as

03:29:00.720 out of the question as people think that's all i'm coming to the table with and i think

03:29:07.020 you know there's a way to do it and this is the hard part there's a way to do without being

03:29:11.340 manipulated and if you want an example what that looks like look at antifa you know antifa they

03:29:16.920 were totally ill-equipped to deal with the money being thrown at them and they're just a fucking

03:29:22.060 joke now but they they just thought they made the mistake of thinking that oh i'm getting

03:29:28.020 partnerships and they're disposable now they're disposable so if you go into these partnerships

03:29:32.680 knowing that this is disposable he will dispose of me at some point act accordingly in the in the

03:29:39.500 short term and have a plan for that which is what you should be doing anyway so secure the bag

03:29:45.760 essentially yeah because that's the biggest thing standing in our way honestly there's a lot of guys

03:29:51.140 in our scene who are competent enough and they are leaders and for a lot of people the missing

03:29:56.200 piece is just there's no money we don't we need money what are we going to do we need capital we

03:30:00.380 money to do anything. And I think if you solve for that, a lot of things get a lot easier. That's

03:30:06.160 my materialistic opinion. It won't solve everything, but it'll, it'll make a lot of

03:30:12.100 people live less desperately. And that will go a long way. Okay. Well, I'm going to shift topics

03:30:18.760 a little bit. I'm going to pivot a little bit because we are at top of the hour. I'm going to

03:30:23.660 get into a subject that it happens to be a pet interest of mine, something that I've followed 1.00

03:30:29.020 for quite a while and I'm not talking about the wacky crazy QAnon stuff I'm talking about ARGs

03:30:35.440 which often get conflated unfortunately with stuff like QAnon but really honestly it's kind

03:30:41.680 of an open space where people can let their creativity flow and and craft a certain kind

03:30:48.660 of mythos to develop this further and I think one thing that America and I am by the way I am kind

03:30:55.480 of anti-america uh one thing that america has going for itself is that it is sort of a formless

03:31:01.820 voidless kind of country that is based on myths legends and the people who kind of populated

03:31:09.020 america they were an enchanted enchanted population despite the fact being uh distilled

03:31:15.920 with i would say enlightenment principles but you found a lot of people that were like kind of even

03:31:21.660 if they were religious, they were enchanted. So let me ask you, in the landscape of the

03:31:26.800 dissonant sphere, considering the fact also that a lot of internet culture, a lot of internet

03:31:32.820 culture, like sort of manifested itself based on a type of myth, a type of myth making,

03:31:40.260 such as the whole, you know, Pepe thing and the Keck thing. And then really, honestly,

03:31:45.400 it kind of was an expression of chaos magic. What do you think about ARGs?

03:31:49.940 so by a or g's you just mean like the game right or am i is this referring to something

03:31:55.920 alternate reality game yeah so i i suppose it are you saying in the sense that we're kind of

03:32:04.620 creating this parallel world for us that we're kind of getting locked in on on the no that's

03:32:10.180 actually not what i'm arguing i'm already what i'm arguing is kind of like what you would call

03:32:13.660 a larp but let's let's just say this a lot of people are stuck in a larp and i wondered often

03:32:19.280 times what is something you can construct on the internet that can kind of get people you know out

03:32:25.480 of the larp and into the real world and i wondered if like crafting sort of a mythos around that larp

03:32:31.800 and letting our creativity and manifesting the type of you know storytelling traditions that

03:32:37.760 europeans are known for maybe we could find a way out of this sphere it's sort of kind of equated to

03:32:44.900 the ccru nick lands uh hyperstition that's kind of if i if i had to relate it to like neo-reactionary

03:32:52.040 terms that's sort of like what we're talking about sort of like a cthulhu myth mythos or

03:32:57.100 uh it this sounds completely crazy to a lot of people i'm sure you're not used to this kind of

03:33:02.060 stuff on surviving by america but i'm introducing it out there because it's something i've studied

03:33:07.540 for a while a lot of people in the distance here they're really engaged in larping they even like

03:33:12.500 tabletop games well alternate reality alternate reality games is sort of a uh sort of an expression

03:33:19.680 of that in the real world and online and it also and oftentimes since you're in marketing it's used

03:33:24.960 in marketing you know it is actually used as marketing as a way to sell the product and a

03:33:29.920 way to sell the experience yeah no you're absolutely right um because there's there's a lot

03:33:36.020 to impact there so on one hand there's sort of the the fractal nature of the identities that

03:33:42.760 were given now and in one sense it's an outgrowth of the fact that we were too successful with meme

03:33:49.480 magic um i never liked that term but we actually are very highly skilled at making a self-contained

03:33:56.060 space that people can kind of spend all their time in and and kind of pull their identity from

03:34:00.780 um you know i was just finishing this book about the late bronze age it was very interesting

03:34:08.060 and it was taught it um what was the term it was sort of they talked about after the bronze age

03:34:13.720 there's a after the fall of every great age there's the dark ages it's a romantic dark age

03:34:19.520 and the romantic dark age tends to glorify what just immediately preceded it and this is you know

03:34:27.040 this is where again an idea is like hyperreality we don't need to go yes yeah it's this idea that

03:34:33.080 you're we're in such a weird like ironic sarcastic state right now it's like we are aware that we're

03:34:42.520 living a hyperreality and so we're almost building a hyperreality within a hyperreality because we

03:34:47.220 think if we comment on it that's almost an identity in itself like there's a lot of people

03:34:52.480 on our side who are keenly aware of like the fucked up mode of living that we're in online

03:34:57.520 and they just run towards that they accelerate towards that and they think if you just keep 0.73

03:35:02.420 commenting on it that's like that's a solution to your point i i think there there is a possibility

03:35:10.640 that the online space generally will just become so hostile to the types of communication we want

03:35:18.380 to do that it will force us offline and this is something i talked about on jay burden show

03:35:23.680 recently um and again repeating myself this is all speculation but i won't go into like the whole

03:35:29.560 go listen to that jay burden episode if you want to hear me drone on and on about it but it's this

03:35:34.880 idea that there will be so much tracking software there'll be so many fake areas there'll be so much

03:35:42.200 crazy internet theory yeah dead internet there that almost to prove that you're and bots and

03:35:48.660 everything just to prove that you are engaging with the real person you will need to meet them

03:35:53.260 in real life and that's not that's kind of happening right now i'm seeing way more people

03:35:57.880 interested in this idea but i think we will reach a point where people just not remove themselves

03:36:05.000 entirely from the internet but start seeking out solutions that are offline because the online

03:36:10.400 space will be so self-referential and black pilling you know there's even people in the

03:36:16.580 scene right now who've cottoned on to the fact that you know i'm i'm on telegram and all i'm 0.89

03:36:21.140 getting is stories about how a black guy is going to kill me yeah yeah there must be more to life

03:36:26.900 i kind of disagree with you there um more more or less what i was trying to say i guess i didn't

03:36:31.680 express it uh well enough is that what i'm trying to say is that steeped in sort of the european

03:36:38.520 tradition is esotericism and stuff like rosicrucianism hermeticism and things which uh sort of i think

03:36:47.700 this side sort of flirts with but doesn't understand it entirely and args is kind of just

03:36:53.920 combining the reality with the hyperreality until it manifests itself in the oh it's kind of like

03:37:00.840 the trad cat thing i guess right not really no no no no this is like totally fantastical

03:37:05.960 it kind of is not grounded in reality but it sort of becomes a reality um you know from the internet

03:37:13.020 and from this sort of storytelling you know that people tell it's sort of like create your own

03:37:19.560 adventure but it's uh it involves puzzles it involves like inner direct interface with the

03:37:25.640 uh with the internet and with the real world something like cicada 3301

03:37:29.900 yeah yeah i i know what you mean i'm just and i know it's left a lot of bad taste in people's

03:37:37.260 mouths because the whole q anon thing and i'm not suggesting see this is the problem sort of with

03:37:41.980 the right that i've i've um so q anon would that be an example of what you're talking about though

03:37:47.060 this sort of it's seen kind of like an online game it's theorized as an alternate reality game

03:37:51.700 but it's not as complex as let's say a alternate reality game now this is not something that's

03:37:56.440 going to appeal to everyone clearly um a lot of our guys would probably stuff people in a locker

03:38:04.240 that comes up with the concept of an alternate reality game but clearly there are people on our

03:38:08.660 side that would benefit maybe from creating uh such interface uh to where we can kind of retreat

03:38:16.080 into as a strategy um if the group thing is not for you per se if the group thing is not for you

03:38:23.760 if you still want to be anonymous if you still want to be sort of distort reality if you still

03:38:30.000 want to craft in reality bin reality in a way alternate reality games may be for you that's

03:38:36.100 what i'm trying to say with the whole alternate reality game i'm not trying to flip the script

03:38:41.520 on you here but i find this idea pretty intriguing um could you maybe give a bit more of an example

03:38:47.740 of what you would what this would look like um just the scenario you just outlined of like

03:38:52.980 someone trying to do what you just said well on a practical sense it would sort of be like cicada

03:38:59.740 3301 if i had to use a frame of reference that means it would probably be on some obscure uh

03:39:06.540 some discord or like some bbs or like some kind of uh uh you know dark web situation uh it would

03:39:15.240 be probably where it was it would have like you know kind of a encoded puzzle within a puzzle to

03:39:21.300 where you unlock these forms

03:39:24.360 and then you have to solve these puzzles

03:39:26.040 and then you go to the next level.

03:39:28.040 It would interface also with the real world

03:39:30.320 where the puzzles would be in the real world

03:39:32.120 and you would get clues.

03:39:34.120 There would also be sort of kind of digital clues.

03:39:36.820 There would be references.

03:39:39.860 There may be stuff like runes

03:39:41.600 and certain kind of puzzles from antiquity.

03:39:45.840 It would sort of be, like I said,

03:39:47.360 you have to look up something called Rosicrucianism,

03:39:50.040 the invisible colleges uh i don't know if you're acquainted with that are you acquainted with like

03:39:55.580 rosicrucianism i am not i'm i don't know if you can hear me typing that in right now okay

03:40:01.020 what i'm saying is rosicrucianism was kind of the precursor to masonry

03:40:06.240 okay it was it was like where they created this elaborate myth uh the secret society and they

03:40:14.080 only advertised through code within uh people could understand that code and they sort of

03:40:20.620 created a kind of uh creative fiction but it was a creative fiction that manifested itself

03:40:26.900 into the real world it's sort of what i was going over with you offline and stuff like

03:40:31.600 discordianism yeah yeah yeah discordianism like manifested itself from you know iris

03:40:38.860 it was the goddess of discord

03:40:41.620 and it was venerated through that

03:40:43.360 and it also revolved around

03:40:45.280 kind of JFK conspiracies

03:40:47.140 and more of a parody of conspiracies

03:40:48.900 until it developed in this kind of

03:40:51.080 mock religion cult

03:40:53.040 and sort of gave way

03:40:55.640 to a lot of the early

03:40:57.060 I would say a lot of the early computer culture

03:40:59.700 like the cyberpunk culture

03:41:01.440 originates from discordianism

03:41:03.240 but what I'm trying to say is

03:41:05.060 these people created their own counterculture

03:41:07.660 They also kind of, in a way, created their own quasi-secret society, which is something I'm obsessed with. I'm obsessed with secret societies, and I have been for a long time in trying to interface that secret society with our politics, because I think that is kind of the way, in my opinion, more so than public.

03:41:27.460 But maybe having, you know, kind of a, let's just say, kind of a society within a society and kind of a front facing society in it and a more esoteric society, sort of like the German in Orden had in like Germany and and develop this culture this way.

03:41:44.060 Let me just say, this is very, very interesting.

03:41:47.280 So if I'd never actually considered this before or heard of most of this stuff that you're saying, I don't know if I can bring too much to the table for ideas.

03:41:55.560 I like everything you're saying.

03:41:57.800 If you want to keep going, this is, I've never heard anything.

03:42:00.560 I'm just trying to condense it down for you, but it is more elaborate than a lot of people.

03:42:04.880 I'm immediately interested.

03:42:06.840 I just don't want to nerd out for a lot of people because a lot of people are probably going to say that's kind of cringe, you know,

03:42:14.340 but I personally don't think it's cringe if you look into it and you find a way to interface it with our politics and our reality.

03:42:23.020 You know, it's just reality sculpting, really.

03:42:24.740 reality creating and myth creating and myth i would call myth sculpting i'll tell you this i

03:42:31.140 i've never really considered this before but i will walk down this path with you because i think

03:42:36.220 this is this is cool i know a bunch of guys who are going to probably listen to this who are going

03:42:40.680 to think we're like perking up at that idea because that sounds i like it pretty cool i like

03:42:44.860 it because i've tried to like i've tried to you know uh pitch this idea for a long time in these

03:42:50.180 circles but i've been sort of castigated i mean when i first started in this like believe me i

03:42:57.440 joined the groups i did the whole you know street activism and i'm not knocking people who that if

03:43:02.900 that is your reality then so be it but i didn't find it edifying and i also uh thought that it

03:43:09.340 was kind of naive and sort of um it was just an excuse for a lot of people to display sort of

03:43:16.260 their ego instead of their their logic per se and i'm not like i said i'm not knocking it you

03:43:21.560 definitely have to get the message out to people and there's nothing wrong necessarily for you know

03:43:27.860 with groups it just makes you sort of an easy target uh to the feds and to other people and to

03:43:33.820 uh people that are not sympathetic to our cause i just like a certain certain kind of um

03:43:40.400 um, uh, esoteric sort of, uh, secret components to our, our movements that I think is kind of

03:43:47.980 lacking. And, and believe it or not, the, the founders of this country, I will say this,

03:43:52.460 if you really are pro-American, uh, go look into the society of Cincinnati, go look into,

03:43:58.500 uh, some, some of the founders and what they thought of secret societies. And, and you'll

03:44:03.300 see that a lot of America was founded. A lot of power, uh, was behind secret societies, not just,

03:44:08.600 you know the so-called freemasons per se we need to be starting our own think tanks we need to be

03:44:14.340 starting our own secret societies i'm an ecosystem model i want to do it all and i had an idea that

03:44:21.760 i had floating around in my head for a long time i'm going to tell to you right now and i'm saying

03:44:25.720 this because it's an idea that's kind of high level just enough i don't have the technical

03:44:30.240 skills to accomplish this but i want to i think it might fit in with this so we had this idea

03:44:37.000 Yeah, because a problem that we have in our scene, especially with Manor Buns, active groups, all of them, is the process of vetting.

03:44:44.220 And this ties in the Fed thing.

03:44:46.200 How do you know they are who they say they are?

03:44:47.860 Where are their credentials?

03:44:49.720 It's never going to be foolproof.

03:44:51.220 And I was batting around this idea with a bunch of guys.

03:44:53.980 They seem to like it, but it needs work.

03:44:55.880 But the broad strokes are that it would be something akin to blockchain technology for dissident reputation.

03:45:05.240 and it would only be in the positive so you would have uh your fake name whatever your fake name is

03:45:12.180 you don't need to dock yourself for this but that would be like your wallet and you would only have

03:45:16.180 access to it just like any other crypto chain that's kind of like an ARG that's sort of like a

03:45:20.960 ARG that's sort of how Cicada worked and then the transaction that you would be doing is people would

03:45:27.140 their wallets would be filled of what projects they worked on in the scene so if you've got like

03:45:32.060 a wallet that's a few years old let's say you participated in a protest someone could make 0.57

03:45:37.120 that deposit whatever like i'm using the weird word and the kinks aren't worked out but it would

03:45:42.080 be like you're gathering up clout like you helped build a website there's a record of that you

03:45:48.400 marched in a protest or helped plan a protest you planned an event every and there's different

03:45:53.600 weights given to every sort of thing but and it wouldn't be negative wouldn't be this guy 0.94

03:45:58.620 fucked me up it would only be it's either you are someone who's put the work in or you're a nobody 0.91

03:46:03.680 just like you know i shouldn't use the example just like a mafia or something it's like i don't 0.92

03:46:09.200 know you you're a nobody it could be good you could be bad but i know these guys they got

03:46:12.800 credentials they got enough guys who've made deposits in his wallet and i know he's been

03:46:17.500 around so i they are trustworthy it might not be the best guy it might not get along

03:46:22.220 but it's like a a decentralized vetting system and i think if people hear that and they're like

03:46:29.640 well what about this what about that i hear you it's not done yet i think if we had enough people

03:46:35.500 toying with this and reshaping it this could be a system we use to and it wouldn't be accessible

03:46:43.120 to anyone else ideally and then if it was accessible because it's a blockchain it technically

03:46:48.260 could be viewable by anyone but they wouldn't make heads or tails of it really because no one's

03:46:52.820 name is really attached to it just like right now with cryptocurrency um in a lot of them so it's

03:46:57.720 like that seems like a system where it might glom onto the thing you were talking about and again

03:47:03.220 might sound crazy and half-baked but i that thing it keeps rattling around in my mind like as

03:47:11.260 something that something that we can use where guys who've been in the scene for years can prove

03:47:18.140 it guys who've put the work in and and they've just been around that they're reputable guys

03:47:23.080 even if they're not leaders they don't have a fucking podcast but there's like this whole

03:47:28.020 middle area of guys who aren't like in front of the camera but they they're they're there and

03:47:33.900 they've been around forever and everyone knows them and they're good guys but you know they

03:47:39.060 should have something to fucking prove it i don't know but i think some the problem with that however

03:47:44.020 would be tinkering with that would be how do you avoid that falling in the wrong hands how do you 0.86

03:47:48.940 how do you avoid that falling into the feds hands and how how do you stop that from like you know

03:47:54.460 going into some uh you know database somewhere that is sort of the problem i i think the only

03:48:01.160 the thing i have right now would be that you know your real name wouldn't be attached to it would

03:48:06.320 be your screen name and you would have just like a crypto wallet you have the key to that so it's

03:48:11.440 wouldn't even necessarily be tied to your driver's license or anything you just own this username 0.80

03:48:15.980 and then you you gather all your stuff in there so even if the fed saw it it wouldn't fucking

03:48:22.600 mean anything it would be like seeing a reddit profile with uploads in a sense yeah i will say

03:48:27.860 this um a the unfortunately that's kind of the problem with you know us trying to start an arg

03:48:32.840 is that you clearly need lots of infrastructure whoever like started stuff like cicada 3301

03:48:41.220 which some people speculate it was probably the military who put that out there because they were

03:48:46.440 looking for uh people that were cryptographers and people who could you know decipher puzzles

03:48:54.280 because that is a big thing for the nsa uh and and by the way there were like three stages of cicada

03:49:01.980 and uh there's still cicada puzzles that have never been solved uh so i was thinking something

03:49:10.720 with just could interface both with the real world and with the internet and also be developed kind of

03:49:16.080 a uh myth myth crafting to where you could just you know let your creativity flow and and just

03:49:22.960 almost do speculative fiction around it and clearly some of the dangers is stuff like game

03:49:28.660 jacking i know i sound completely well no but the thing is like you talking like this isn't

03:49:35.740 unfamiliar to other guys that i personally know and other guys in the scene like i i think there's

03:49:40.500 people especially in the creative space industry i'm actually quite excited about the creativity

03:49:46.520 i'm seeing come out of the let's just call it the dissident right yeah um there's a lot of guys we

03:49:51.660 talked about dave martell before he started but him and a bunch of other guys who are making a real

03:49:55.840 run at making exciting, creative stuff and not just, you know, pithy, angry short stories,

03:50:03.500 but it's like, you know, we got self-publishing down pretty well. We just need something a bit

03:50:08.340 more, something new, something exciting. And I think there's more guys than I think have ever

03:50:13.260 existed in the past who are taking a run at that. And it's not just political because we got

03:50:18.280 political memes locked. We're good at it. And people are like, okay, what can I make that is

03:50:24.200 going to outlast me there's more guys asking that question especially a lot of guys who have

03:50:29.320 got families who are like i need to make something that isn't just fucking schizophrenic and using

03:50:34.360 you know weird fonts right yeah i would just say people out there it's not as unlikely as you think 0.58

03:50:41.460 that sort of secrecy uh turns into power a lot of people think it's implausible that secrecy and

03:50:48.980 uh sort of being cryptic and uh sort of just putting symbols out there and putting like story

03:50:56.120 and crafting a narrative around like something like an ARG it's not as unlikely as you think

03:51:01.680 and like I said um companies use it all the time they use these interactive games to advertise

03:51:07.620 uh movies to to have to advertise products to uh go out there and to advertise like like some of

03:51:15.160 these things have become like common parlance in like the computer world uh that's where the

03:51:21.500 illuminati card game comes from that's where they're like the illuminatus trilogy from robert

03:51:25.600 anton wilson and even like discordianism and church people have heard of church of the sub

03:51:31.220 genius uh that whole thing came out of like just creative fiction and creating a type of precursor

03:51:38.320 for the arg so it's not implausible you're mentioning that that that was interesting i

03:51:43.720 want to get into that in a second but i also want to say i'm going to put on my advertising hat right

03:51:48.720 now i'm standing in front of the whiteboard i'm going to find another way to phrase this for

03:51:53.260 people because what you said was good but here's another thing that might help people wrap their

03:51:58.540 heads around it that okay they're saying like why do we why would we need to do this that i think at

03:52:03.460 the very very least it will confuse your oppressors yes that's why that's why that's part of why i

03:52:11.560 devise that is because this is something which is that mystifies most people mystifies most people

03:52:18.660 and it's kind of similar to what the americans i hate to use allies as allies as like an example

03:52:25.600 but it's kind of what they were doing with the whole uh navajo language with the uh national

03:52:31.200 socialist uh it's sort of like that yeah it's sort of confusing you know your competitors and

03:52:37.560 confusing our enemies yeah and i think the more stuff we have like that the better and you know

03:52:43.640 when people hear this they're like oh that's too that's too outside the norm and we're not saying

03:52:47.920 stop doing anything else no no no no this is just a new thing that we can do or maybe some people

03:52:54.580 are doing it already i've not i haven't been invited i hope so i mean i hope someone out

03:52:58.240 there that is developing a dissonant rg r a rg that would be awesome if they were i doubt it

03:53:04.800 i doubt it because it's most of people i've encountered that are into it typically are more

03:53:09.440 left or they're typically into cyber culture which uh is kind of a problem because most of 0.95

03:53:15.960 those people are troons and which is yeah well and also just a message to the average listener 1.00

03:53:21.680 some people might hear what i said about the blockchain idea or you're this idea and they're 0.54

03:53:27.180 not sold on it but what i hope this does it just don't dismiss it outright if people want to

03:53:33.540 criticize it i i welcome that i got a thick skin i'm a big big boy so if he as long as the

03:53:40.220 conversation started if they if you think it sounds at least interesting or novel that's all

03:53:46.960 i'm really asking for is a conversation about what new and exciting or unfamiliar i mean what

03:53:52.580 do we have to lose what do we have to lose i mean we have nothing to lose this this is where the fun

03:53:58.180 is like i'd say this to just regular people like this shit is kind of fun it's come up with a weird

03:54:02.820 new ideas call it brainstorming call it whatever the fuck you want but anyone could get involved

03:54:08.360 in this as long as they're just not cynically dismissive i think unfortunately most people are

03:54:14.560 and that's sort of my lament i know you mentioned there's a lot of creatives on the set unfortunately

03:54:20.180 not enough there's not enough creative creative people there definitely are more than there used

03:54:24.620 to be like it was really depressing uh if you who were into this into this like scene i would say

03:54:31.520 like in the aughts it was depressing but at least now there is like some some change and there are

03:54:37.600 some people that are at least attempting to express their creativity yeah and one of the

03:54:44.340 things people are doing and this is from a political standpoint as well is they're truly

03:54:49.320 asking themselves what do i want what is the world that i want we're good at you know day of the rope

03:54:56.800 fan fiction we got that all sewn up we get the best of that already exists you know so but it's

03:55:03.960 like what is my world world crafting i mean i don't understand why people just they don't know

03:55:09.360 how to world craft like they don't understand yeah how to make their world into reality how do

03:55:16.860 you craft your what you want into reality it is it is very possible it's very possible it requires

03:55:23.080 you to like sit down and really really think about your ideas all the way to the bottom like do you

03:55:27.600 have a world where you know britain there's a new british empire that's trying to become rome like

03:55:34.620 whatever kooky you know maybe the bronze age is back what's that look like tell a story there

03:55:40.720 that will force you to really think it through and that will help you actualize it and it won't

03:55:45.840 even need to be political um and this is back callback time back to one of your earlier points

03:55:51.820 which is that we're not very good at like brainwashing people it's because and i don't

03:55:56.460 again this doesn't apply to everyone and there's a lot of people i really admire who don't do this

03:56:00.840 but uh we're not very good at selling a positivistic message we're good at selling doom and

03:56:06.160 gloom um and making doom and gloom that like most of our memes are about like depressed guys with

03:56:12.960 throbbing techno soundtracks in the background we got that but what's a perfect world look like

03:56:18.380 not just a charmingly depressed world.

03:56:22.220 And once you start thinking about that,

03:56:24.200 then your politics will start to change too.

03:56:26.520 Then you'll be able to actually think of,

03:56:28.760 here's steps I can take to get there.

03:56:32.420 And that's, you know, it's going to be different for everyone.

03:56:34.120 But I think once you start,

03:56:35.620 I think that's what we're doing right now

03:56:37.280 because so many people have correctly identified

03:56:39.700 that there is no political solution,

03:56:42.400 you know, or politics as we know it.

03:56:44.820 It's true, yes.

03:56:45.920 So we need new solutions.

03:56:47.800 and there's this is some people will see it as chaotic i just see it as exciting i think that

03:56:53.580 was a perfect little window of time where people can start coming up with ideas because we're a

03:56:58.600 pretty historically literate group yes we're a pretty well-read group we're pretty disciplined

03:57:04.600 the what the stuff that the right wing broadly is known for is being fit being disciplined

03:57:10.240 reading weird fucking books that's those are three great things to fucking be that means 0.57

03:57:17.000 you're intelligent and practical and a lot of our guys are like construction guys blue collar guys

03:57:22.740 even better that means you got a certain type of mind so you can actually chart a course

03:57:28.080 if you dare to set yourself a a vision a vision that isn't just apocalypse now let me circle back

03:57:37.220 and sort of tie this into what you said previously you mentioned hyperreality and you said let's not

03:57:42.660 get into that but i say let's get into that tell tell me how about hyperreality as you see it

03:57:47.600 uh okay so we covered this first of all i talk about this a bit on my website where i publish

03:57:56.280 uh more serious articles i just mentioned it the other day on my telegram it's just been launched

03:58:01.020 it's called the vanguardist journal it's vanguardist journal uh.com and uh one of the

03:58:07.720 articles is going to be discussing hyperreality it's it's kind of a trippy article because it's

03:58:13.800 about how truth is repetition but there's such a thing as bad repetition that's kind of what

03:58:20.660 hyperreality is so hyperreality there's a couple ways to look at it there's a more of a marxist

03:58:26.620 way to look at it then i find there's more of a baldryard was post-marxist yeah yeah uh but he

03:58:32.560 was dealing with stuff like the superstructure his was sort of like hyperreality is the is the

03:58:39.040 the extra fiction that reinforces the fiction of capitalist society so it's like framed in a

03:58:46.520 capitalist sort of way that his example he gave in there was like you you go to disneyland which

03:58:53.700 is hyper fake and that hyper fakeness of disneyland makes the fakeness of regular society

03:59:00.120 seem more real but it's just like an extra layer of fakeness um the way i've explained it because

03:59:06.720 people once it's explained to people they kind of get what it means so a comical example that i

03:59:12.740 cited was like almost like a bruce springsteen a hologram of bruce springsteen because bruce

03:59:20.100 springsteen is already kind of like a fake corporate americana and i actually like bruce

03:59:27.040 springsteen quite a bit but there it's it's like a fake there's a fakeness to bruce springsteen

03:59:31.440 everyone kind of knows it's just a multi-millionaire who's selling fake small town stories and then you

03:59:36.960 imagine him after he dies as like a brand because there's bruce springsteen the brand and then they

03:59:43.540 mark it to you go see the hologram of bruce springsteen it's like layers of fakeness upon

03:59:48.900 fakeness upon fakeness and then there's a scent the way it's used a lot by right-wing people

03:59:54.120 they'll talk about hyper real in the sense of the modern american trying to reclaim a fake

04:00:01.560 version of america and the example they would give is like a norman rockwell painting yes like

04:00:05.580 a norman rockwell painting was like a fake heightened version of america and then people

04:00:10.800 thinking that was real so it's huge always calling back to a past that might not have been even real

04:00:16.420 that's kind of a lived reality people kind of feel and a lot of people on the right where it's like

04:00:21.460 no an example of hyperreality might be those fucking you know memes where it's like just some

04:00:27.680 you know statue with a techno soundtrack like remember what they took from you and then you 0.64

04:00:33.700 have to ask yourself was was that tape was that specifically taken from me i'm not sure anymore

04:00:39.720 so you know i mean so but you kind of get it and you can kind of tell something's hyper real

04:00:44.100 because you don't feel anything you know it has no soul there is a fakeness it doesn't really

04:00:49.140 feel invigorated i've gotten in trouble for saying this before i've been a lot of people are going

04:00:53.740 to disagree with me i'm gonna say it anyway because it tastes good saying it like but those

04:00:59.220 memes i'm talking about i don't think anyone's ever been inspired by those memes i don't think

04:01:03.600 anyone's ever really been invigorated i think you're right i think you're right yeah i definitely

04:01:09.020 haven't been inspired by any of those memes yeah so it's like this this hyper reality where it's

04:01:13.880 it's like so it's something that you appreciate for being so fake that it makes your other fake

04:01:21.000 reality seem real or hides the fakeness of that reality so again baudrillard was giving an example

04:01:26.660 of like going to a crazy theme park to make the fake capitalist society seem more real so like a

04:01:33.080 trust sleight of hand yes and he framed that and the idea of like the super structure the base

04:01:38.660 versus the top there you can unpack that and do a whole bunch it's good i recommend people look

04:01:43.420 into it you can buy simulacron simulation i've i've read it yeah you've read it i'm sure you've

04:01:49.380 talked about it but i'd recommend it to any it's a short read you're gonna like it you know like a

04:01:54.020 lot of marxist stuff we talked about i tend i like their assessments i don't never like their

04:02:00.100 conclusions but i find their areas of how do you feel about mark fisher though and uh people like

04:02:06.820 nick land i think they're pretty interesting marxist former marxist well that's the nick

04:02:11.440 land is i like nick land first of all i've never read mark fisher though i had him on the list but

04:02:16.580 i've never it's the capitalist realism book i was yeah yeah yeah but i i've heard people talk about

04:02:22.620 him kind of sounds like a sad guy oh he is a sad guy yes very sad guy um i think nick lands more

04:02:30.620 interesting i think it's a more academic background and rigor and nick land could definitely create

04:02:37.780 his own ARG he could definitely

04:02:39.880 create his name as a matter of fact some say

04:02:41.760 he did with hyperstition

04:02:42.960 there's a lot of people in that right now

04:02:45.580 there's a rediscovery

04:02:48.060 of Nick Land happening right now that I'm

04:02:49.720 very happy with

04:02:50.540 but you need to be careful with Nick Land

04:02:53.860 because some of the stuff is just really crazy

04:02:55.700 he wrote a lot

04:02:58.020 I think he's got

04:02:59.180 his Dark Enlightenment stuff is coming up by

04:03:01.820 Imperium Press we covered

04:03:03.460 Fanged Numena

04:03:04.640 on our show

04:03:07.300 that's a hard one to get that's that's a brick of just that they'll fuck you up if you it's like

04:03:13.880 the first half is all like weird cont stuff so if you're and it's like you need to know what you're

04:03:20.000 you need to know what the premises are before going because it will just twist your mind around

04:03:24.600 if you don't know and a lot of handle right yeah yeah like you need to go in with some some help

04:03:31.520 but i i think nick land's probably the more exciting guy i mean a lot of our guys the higher

04:03:37.500 end guys i have a lot of affection for we got some good thinkers on our side and i don't think

04:03:41.780 nick land would count himself on our side but i see him as kind of i like his ideas i mean i he's

04:03:47.780 not one of us one of our guys but i think his ideas of accelerationism and how it interfaces

04:03:53.580 with reality is is interesting yeah the line from him that i hear repeated a lot it's a good line

04:03:59.700 but it is something something let me misquote it uh but it was like nothing human survives in

04:04:05.760 the future so he's project it's very fatalist yes um and i'm not sure i align with his fatalism i

04:04:12.840 don't think it's going to be just this he sees capitalism as a machine yeah i i think that

04:04:18.560 there's a lot of very uh high-minded and interesting people on our side who are exploring the

04:04:23.840 the technology of ai to try and find a way where it just doesn't spell the end of humanity i you

04:04:29.620 know that's a whole other kettle of fucking fish we can go into but no i like the gland to answer

04:04:34.980 the question i'm trying to get him on the show we'll see good luck yeah good luck i mean that 0.81

04:04:42.220 would be that would be definitely interesting he's well he's on twitter all the time so i'm like okay

04:04:47.140 you're you're he's a shit post i think hermetics podcast had him on so maybe yeah like he's a guy

04:04:52.740 like he's funny too so if you're able to be funny and you're able to be like a shit posty personality 0.91

04:04:59.000 like i can i can get i can get you come over here i won't show you don't send him the fashy

04:05:04.920 gains interview we did but i'll send them the spandrel one we did now let me uh let me pivot

04:05:12.960 into something i think is pressing in this uh this movement and something that you know has

04:05:18.320 affected me personally by the way i like a woman like i'm yoinking that one okay go ahead a lot of

04:05:25.540 people like using that uh for some reason but let me ask you what do you say about white kids that

04:05:30.640 have grown up saturated in ghetto culture that have ghetto residuals and they were they won't

04:05:37.720 they won't let it go either like i'm one of those people i'm not going to let it go i i will listen 0.99

04:05:42.380 to uh quote unquote nigger music and i'm not giving it up oh me too like when i'm at work 0.96

04:05:49.620 i don't know what it is i just get in the mood to watch like weird hip-hop documentaries about 0.98

04:05:54.620 like crime and gang warfare and it's interesting yeah there might be no way around it like there's

04:05:59.980 some problems that we might not be able that maybe that's just too many fronts on the war 0.63

04:06:06.200 we're fighting like you know just like the problem of die like you know fucking microplastics in your 0.90

04:06:12.800 blood like what do i do about that fuck i don't know i mean i think there's a way to enjoy it 0.96

04:06:18.280 without having it dominate your to ruin your mind like for example i like movies i watch a lot of 0.92

04:06:23.840 movies and a lot of guys and play video games and shit like that guys in our scene will be like 0.79

04:06:28.520 what the fuck you doing that for like you should only be watching man yeah you should either be 0.79

04:06:33.300 watching live leaked videos or hitler speeches and i'm like those are two good things but you 0.94

04:06:40.240 know i like a 24 i'm a white guy i like weird moody's fucked up david cronenberg things right 0.90

04:06:47.060 you know i like star trek the next generation i'm not gonna i'm not gonna fucking stop i don't know 0.95

04:06:52.300 what do you want me to do i like red letter media what am i going to do uh but i think there is a 0.87

04:06:56.680 way to enjoy these things without it without becoming a bug man in a sense and i think the

04:07:02.380 more you have your life sorted out the more you can dabble in that stuff you know i mean like if

04:07:07.860 your entire life is just that sort of culture that's a problem but like if you have your life

04:07:14.760 figured out with like you know your relationships your skill sets your finances you're allowed to

04:07:22.080 listen to dmx without it fucking up your whole life you know what i mean like i agree just like

04:07:28.120 drinking just like anything i'm pretty you know open with like guys who are like you know some 0.72

04:07:33.260 people are really really not only use the word puritan about stuff like oh if you smoke weed

04:07:37.840 you might as well be black i'm like i there's a lot of guys who smoke weed i don't i don't think

04:07:42.540 that's damnable especially if they're if the guy smokes weed and he's got like four white kids or 0.85

04:07:47.380 whatever i'm like yeah so fuck him like no shut up i i think you can dabble but for you don't 0.97

04:07:53.680 you don't um i don't mean to interrupt you don't mean to you don't want to put like people that 0.96

04:07:57.620 listen to hip-hop and a rac rock against communist concentration camp re-education camp and just play

04:08:04.780 screwdriver 24 7 well honestly like a lot of the a lot of the stuff people do like what if they

04:08:12.500 like oh they're like kanye west well like kanye west has some some good songs but like i find like 0.95

04:08:17.820 i just straight up don't listen to most hip-hop anymore because it was so political black lives

04:08:23.080 matter you know i i checked out of that scene because it was hostile towards me so i don't 0.61

04:08:29.380 like you know the types of bad stuff that our guys listen to is probably on the better end of

04:08:35.880 it you know can you be pro-white and listen to king vaughn uh well here's the thing like you

04:08:42.580 know here's a cope for people to roll out if they want to it's like i like listening to music about

04:08:47.120 black people dying so i listen to trap music you know so yeah i i listen to just things that are 0.99

04:08:54.720 destructive to the black community so yeah i love gangster rap right that's a good one i try to use 1.00

04:09:02.080 that argument i try to use that argument actually yeah that's one of the arguments slightly to 1.00

04:09:06.780 justify so yeah but also like zoomer you did touch on the zoomer thing which is like culture

04:09:12.960 generally now is so i don't want to sound like an old man but it's like oh you know back in the day

04:09:19.200 we used to have skaters and gods yeah it's blended together now it is so i i don't know what to do

04:09:26.140 about that because i don't certain amounts of it's going to be inescapable because certain amount of

04:09:30.160 it's tied to technology like i think if you're a zoomer you're probably on tiktok just because

04:09:35.520 that's the place to be and you're not on facebook so generationally you're locked into certain

04:09:41.340 technology that other generations aren't and that will color your experience but i don't i don't 0.88

04:09:48.060 even know if i can give them advice this is the problem because i'm just gonna be a fucking old 0.77

04:09:51.880 man you know what you know what you do you know back in my day we had a different kind of reality 0.89

04:09:57.360 tv like i don't know it's a hard one it is it is a hard sell uh no doubt uh but i think you did a 0.87

04:10:04.780 good job of that because the things i like i love rob zombie rob zombie's fucking retarded but i 0.88

04:10:09.800 don't care i listen to it all day hey baby i hear the blues are calling tall salads and scramblings 0.94

04:10:16.820 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you peg

04:10:23.940 Ha, ha, ha, ha

04:10:25.940 But I don't know what to do

04:10:28.060 With those thoughts down in the ground

Blood Satellite - March 04, 2023

Dondabert [＂no rizz lmao EVEN with me＂]

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