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00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite you get sleepy you get i can hear it in your voice too sometimes sometimes i do i

00:00:23.360 wake up at five most days so you know i've always said and a lot of people don't know this because

00:00:29.040 they don't see us in real life but i you set yourself up for failure when you sit down to the

00:00:34.160 mic with your long droopy hat with the little fuzzy ball at the end and your long blue what 0.86

00:00:42.140 would that be like a bed dress yeah are you sure yeah i've got ebony's are scrooge in your ass on 0.93

00:00:50.300 inside you there are two wolves one snores like 0.90

00:00:56.360 and the other snores like

00:01:01.020 i actually am wearing um right now fluffy slippers and uh and long long john underwear

00:01:12.760 and a house coat right so i'm pretty much there i don't have the hat i gotta get the hat with

00:01:18.040 the little ball on the end sleeping cap you're always on some some gear of prospector

00:01:25.060 i wish i could go to work like this but i have to put clothes on over top of this which is what i

00:01:31.460 do then i just take them off when i come home like a prospect going going out there in blue 0.96

00:01:35.540 collar lingerie yeah sicko look i guess this is going to be another judas is fucked in the head 0.84

00:01:44.800 episode i actually had the ones when i was a kid that has the ass flap with the buttons 0.73

00:01:52.620 but i haven't seen those in a long time i don't know if they still make those

00:01:56.180 so riddle me this because i've never i've never worn any type of long john's lung underwear never

00:02:02.060 worn a day in my life so but i've seen that in cartoons as well the back flap that is for 0.81

00:02:10.240 shitting yeah it's for taking a shit because you don't want to take the whole thing off 0.71

00:02:14.320 not only for convenience but because it's cold the reason you wear those is because you don't

00:02:19.680 have a well-heated house that's the main thing fair enough but there's no flap in the front

00:02:25.060 uh no well it's only for no pissing it depends it depends you can have a flap in the front too

00:02:32.920 like the like a normal fly like you would have but i'm not sure i don't remember actually because

00:02:38.140 the last time i had it i think i was maybe seven years old i like they did the product research

00:02:43.240 over the i don't know how long these developed three centuries and they realized the guys who 0.61

00:02:47.580 wear these they do a lot of shitting they don't do a lot of pissing or they piss sitting down

00:02:52.500 which is like maybe that's the the femininity okay so okay it's large it's a big flap and it's

00:03:00.940 stretchy material you can get a dick through there is what you're saying well it depends

00:03:05.820 what kind of dick you got i mean like standard like uh metric if you're if you're a child i

00:03:12.240 don't think it's an issue i don't know how many grown men do it oh look i'm not trying to bring 0.77

00:03:16.820 the whoa whoa oh i'm trying to bring in kids here well i'm trying we're talking about types of adult

00:03:24.600 dicks okay oh we're off to a good start today we're getting right into i can see it's a hop 0.68

00:03:31.860 skip and a jump to gay sex update i can hear i can see it we're not going down that alley we're 0.51

00:03:38.440 gonna start wholesome yep and you know what we're gonna start i i just realized i've reached a

00:03:44.160 milestone recently and i think you'll be proud of me too i think i'm just uh getting into weezer

00:03:52.480 just now

00:03:54.600 just i've i've liked we i've liked their songs i've heard a couple songs everyone's got a couple

00:04:06.240 weezer songs they like yeah sat down and i hunkered down i said you know what i'm gonna

00:04:11.280 get into weezer because they got like 20 albums yeah easily too many albums yeah there's no way

00:04:18.220 that all these songs are good because they'll come out with like one sometimes multiple a year

00:04:22.920 they just had four this year and in a lot of ways i was thinking as i went through this journey

00:04:27.380 i think we might be the weezer of podcasts i'll take that because i think you got to know a bit

00:04:35.680 about the background of the band and rivers cuomo uh the lead singer guitarist and he's an

00:04:42.120 interesting guy kind of a nerdy guy short and he uh his story was you know that first album came

00:04:48.560 out they're pretty young grunge era big hit and then he almost retires from music for a while

00:04:56.380 and goes to harvard you know and then he kind of was on and off again going to harvard

00:05:01.660 for years and years and years and uh you know while he was there he's he's kind of a nerdy

00:05:07.640 academic guy he grew a long beard and he had leg surgery so he's walking around with a cane

00:05:13.120 on harvard campus as this like 20 year old old man and i'm listening the lead singer from weezer

00:05:21.360 walking around with a cane on the harvard campus this just sounds like one of their music videos

00:05:26.880 i know make sure it's real yeah no it is like he was he's a guy who doesn't seem to fuck with

00:05:32.920 people he's very genuine and soft-spoken in a way and he's he's into um you know like meditation

00:05:39.120 and sort of that indian spirituality stuff but i looked at this guy and if you look at his history

00:05:45.000 you know he's a galaxy brain but also a brooding mysterious he's kind of a depressive guy and and

00:05:54.700 he's very active he loves studying and things like that and then he turns around and goes right

00:06:00.120 hash pipe and i'm like well that's our show

00:06:04.260 yeah and hash pipe is a great song

00:06:09.040 i never really think about weezer

00:06:24.680 but now retrospectively and you'll probably get this once your son's born but like we riff with

00:06:32.500 like songs songs from our youth all the time so like i'll make up goofy songs to the tune or using

00:06:38.640 like the basis of the is the lyrics of songs that we sang as kids and two of them that i always come

00:06:44.360 back to are buddy holly and the sweater song always riffing on those and i had nothing like

00:06:49.480 why is it i mean i'm not like a weezer guy why am i always singing buddy holly to my toddler

00:06:53.840 but there it is he's got a good ear for melody yeah um and he's he's a good enough singer and

00:07:00.940 like i said every album you know the thing about weezer that's interesting is that um if you

00:07:07.500 listen he's kind of a guy like they have a stock way to write songs they don't go wandering off

00:07:14.440 into bringing in orchestras and stuff they kind of get into some like synth stuff a bit but they

00:07:20.760 really are just like a four person band and what can you do with those four instruments

00:07:23.980 um but what i noticed with each album was they kind of sound like a different band and some

00:07:29.380 people like that but i was listening to make believe and i'm like this kind of sounds like

00:07:35.400 the killers you know and then there's this other uh album called the more recent one called the

00:07:41.780 black album and i'm like uh this sounds like 21 pilots like every because they do that they're

00:07:47.420 like oh every album is kind of like a different sound but i can pin that different sound to a

00:07:52.200 specific band that they might be emulating and i know my wife you know we listen to the killers

00:07:58.660 and we listen to uh 21 pilots occasionally so i'm like oh i'll show her and i tested it out i'm like

00:08:04.040 do you like these two albums like she's like yeah i like these like i that's it it's so it's what

00:08:09.600 whatever band weezers kind of sounding like that album you might like it i wanted to ask you about

00:08:17.360 i was looking before we started for the evidence of this for the tweets that i'm going to be

00:08:22.400 referring to and i cannot find them there might be lost in my saved messages somewhere but i

00:08:27.620 remember what it was so i'm gonna explain it to you um first of all the the tweet was written by

00:08:33.680 some bitch but and it was an anecdote whatever it might not be true but she was saying um that

00:08:42.100 pretty much every old person especially old women you see in a retirement home or an assisted living

00:08:51.260 home they lived a trad life and by a trad life i mean they did everything that everyone on our

00:08:59.060 side would say to do maybe they had five or six kids they were a stay-at-home mom you know all

00:09:04.920 that stuff like every the the real traditional way of living and she was saying and they still

00:09:10.020 put her in a retirement home yeah okay so what what's your immediate reaction to that well it's

00:09:18.180 that it's it's it's not fair like that's that's that's ridiculous i don't know it's no i i i so

00:09:27.280 so i was thinking about it and i'm like well you know some of this could be speculation um maybe

00:09:34.860 they didn't have that many kids you know but i think it's more likely that most of the people

00:09:40.100 in these homes did adhere to that that path then i started someone had said something that made me

00:09:48.040 kind of reconsider it that is a whole different topic entirely but they were saying that yeah

00:09:53.180 maybe people are living too long actually because that's the other side to this which is that well

00:10:00.280 the people in there are also 85 90 years old and perhaps the parent that they were being taken care

00:10:07.360 of by their kids they're being taken care but there is there a limit to that like how are you

00:10:12.980 supposed to be like 30 years in your children's care there's there's yeah there's so many things

00:10:19.380 about that so like obviously that that's an interesting one right away is like and i've

00:10:23.820 seen this within my uh within my family on my stepdad's side like we go out for dinner with

00:10:29.340 them sometimes like in the because a lot of them live in my town and it's like my stepdad his older

00:10:36.720 brother is like 90 ish and he's in his 70s and like his sister has grandchildren and it's like

00:10:46.440 so his sisters his nieces and nephews are old enough to be my parents like there's such an age

00:10:52.240 range now but these people they're thankfully healthy enough they're still out at the bar

00:10:56.240 with us and hanging out. But I mean, at that age, my grandparents, one of my grand, my grandmother

00:11:01.700 was in a home and she was in that home for a long time. And it's like, first of all, is there even

00:11:06.260 the economic viability for the younger generations, the children, let alone the grandchildren to take

00:11:12.320 care of them. But then the other part of it is, is it's so anecdotal to say, Hey, here's one

00:11:17.780 example of somebody who raised a whole bunch of kids and then wound up in a home. Like there's

00:11:23.700 so many reasons why that could happen like nobody's saying it's going to turn out roses every fucking

00:11:28.660 time we're saying that on net this is a positive it has it has a net positive impact for society 0.76

00:11:35.480 generally like that's so ridiculous that you would say you know it happened to one person okay maybe

00:11:40.420 they were poor maybe their kids were sick maybe they were in a different town like who knows what

00:11:46.020 the reason is right and i also don't think it's even a real anecdote i think this is just something 0.57

00:11:50.880 that she fucking made up because i don't think it's actually that common um the other thing is

00:11:54.940 is just saying oh you're gonna die in a in a care home like my grandmother was very well loved but

00:12:03.300 she died in a home the reason she died in a home is because for like 15 years she had such severe

00:12:07.640 dementia she couldn't walk and she didn't know who anybody was so like yes we went and visited

00:12:12.820 her and we all loved her but like that's not that's not like she got she got her her life and

00:12:20.260 her family and everything that she wanted she had that for decades and decades and decades something

00:12:24.460 that you fucking spinsters will never experience you're gonna get the dementia anyways and you're

00:12:29.200 probably going to die of starvation and get eaten by your cats versus my grandmother who was actually

00:12:34.040 taking care of at least taking care of so yeah no it's just fucking it's ridiculous and it's so it 0.74

00:12:40.020 was so infuriating to see somebody post that like it's so hollow and so out of touch on so many 0.78

00:12:46.420 levels it's just it was shocking it seemed designed by like you had pointed out a bitter

00:12:52.640 spinster woman to say like yeah this is where being tried gets you so you should just be a dumb 0.84

00:12:57.980 hoe yeah i think that was the strategy that was on display there but it did get me thinking um 0.93

00:13:05.100 that i'm sure it does happen occasionally but it got me thinking you know what would be the ideal

00:13:11.400 way to die or the ideal age to die because you know the response to that from the person in our

00:13:18.440 chat it might have been might have been fancy or eakin or what whoever it was but they were like

00:13:25.060 yeah well the fact of the matter is that people do live very long like being 95 is ridiculous

00:13:30.920 to me yeah um and so i actually had this discussion with my wife and i said just out of

00:13:38.560 like most of my conversations with her that matter,

00:13:42.120 it came out of nowhere.

00:13:43.660 And I just,

00:13:44.580 I ambushed her with what's the perfect age to die at.

00:13:49.040 And because she's married to me,

00:13:50.760 she was right there in it with me.

00:13:52.600 And she thought for a minute,

00:13:54.300 like,

00:13:54.540 I think 85.

00:13:57.820 And the number I had in my head was 80 on the high end,

00:14:05.320 maybe 75.

00:14:06.740 that's the sweets but now what do you think just based on what i said well i would i would say

00:14:12.960 i haven't thought that much about it but at a glance if if the economy and medical science

00:14:18.380 doesn't change at all i think that's very reasonable now we can always hope that some

00:14:23.840 like there have been obviously a lot of advances even the past 50 60 years that we've talked i

00:14:28.520 don't know if we talked about this but this idea that like if you look at photos of people from

00:14:32.540 the 1940s who were in their 30s they look like what people now look like in their 50s and 60s

00:14:38.120 really and it's like oh they're so grizzled and masculine in the case of men but really what it

00:14:42.920 is is just like exposure exposure to the elements exposure to labor exposure to all and all all

00:14:48.040 meant so many different types of poisonings yeah oh that's yeah yeah like fucking lead in the paint

00:14:53.600 and asbestos which is actually really good for you but whatever and uh you know whatever else so

00:14:57.900 this was the golden age of random guys showing up not even saying they're a doctor saying they

00:15:04.700 knew a doctor and saying they had a new miracle to sell you you heard the word miracle so fucking

00:15:10.580 much back then and it was all poison part of it is those expectations that you like you think

00:15:16.060 you'll live so long and maybe you've kind of planned your life around the idea or the expectation

00:15:21.060 that you will have a certain number of years to achieve your goals and you might put things off

00:15:24.700 based on that understanding um and then the other part of it is even if you have an expectation of

00:15:31.320 a certain like life expectancy that doesn't mean that that life is going to be you know productive

00:15:37.940 or fruitful because maybe maybe like most people live till 95 but the last 25 years of your life

00:15:43.680 are in a home or like you can't walk like like my mom is uh in her she's in her late 60s and she's

00:15:50.440 getting a hip replacement and she's touring all over the place because she knows pretty soon she's

00:15:54.140 not going to be able to and it's like well she only retired a few years ago you know so i'm

00:15:57.540 wondering i haven't talked to her but i'm wondering do you kind of regret that you could

00:16:01.620 have retired earlier and you would have had less money in your pension but also you would have got

00:16:05.600 to do some other shit i don't know so uh maybe and then it's like okay so do you wish that you 0.62

00:16:11.380 quote unquote lived longer or do you wish that you like you don't care if you die at 75 you wish you 0.58

00:16:17.120 had retired at 38 maybe that's the real question that's a very good angle to this it's like do you

00:16:23.140 actually want to prolong your life or do you just regret your wasted youth yeah i think that's i've

00:16:29.600 never really heard that ask before but now that i'm hearing it that that's the undercurrent

00:16:35.660 beneath all of this i think like people the people who retire the people who say now i get to live my

00:16:41.460 life all i hear are these pangs of regret that you did not live your life the way you thought

00:16:48.040 you'd like to when you were in your let's say even your 40s yeah because your 40s you're you

00:16:53.320 can still be spry if you take care of yourself which they don't by the way so they're like you

00:16:58.680 can live like a 20 year old in your 40s if you take care of yourself it's just no one does

00:17:03.920 everyone did you read the statistic that i think by some year like 20 60 half of the world's

00:17:13.260 population will be obese the world obesity federation predicts get this 51 of people

00:17:20.920 on earth will be obese or overweight by 2035 that's estimated to be about 4 billion people

00:17:28.800 and you know i i think it might have been someone in the chat they said oh you know

00:17:34.260 first world stuff i'm like no like that's that's like what are we at like 8 billion

00:17:39.520 seven and a half eight billion billion like that's we're talking about it's not just europe it's not

00:17:44.080 just america like we're talking huge swathes of china india south america i'm like the planet's

00:17:52.080 never been this fat and i've seen it i've seen it happening in china already it's funny because

00:17:56.540 people always talk about how asians are so like fit and again there's this filter again we're

00:18:01.300 like especially the immigration filter where you have the high iq well-disciplined people who

00:18:05.500 usually wind up in north america so we get to see them more often and then of course they're

00:18:09.480 portrayed that way in media like even our own media doesn't show our own obesity as much as

00:18:13.660 it probably could if it was being fair uh but then the other thing is generationally we've had this

00:18:19.300 obesity problem more or less since the boomers right but in china they've only in the since

00:18:24.340 maybe the late 90s or i mean broadly asia korea is the same case um like leos vietnam aren't that 0.71

00:18:30.140 far yet i think the philippines is quite bad with this thailand is quite bad with this where they're

00:18:35.220 just getting another not rich but they're just getting enough money that it makes sense for like

00:18:40.900 nestle to go in there as a and open a market and start selling them the same you know high corn

00:18:47.160 starch microplastics bullshit that they're selling us and now you can see it in their kids it's not

00:18:52.020 in the in the middle-aged people yet but you can see there's like massive childhood obesity when

00:18:56.540 i was living in hong kong i saw all over the place these like uh single child families and the kid

00:19:02.400 is just pale and fat and disgusting and is like raised by the television and the nanny the same

00:19:08.640 as our kids so yeah it's not unbelievable to me that that's where this is headed yeah also i would

00:19:13.880 just like for people to know that in south america the two examples i'll pick are like south america

00:19:19.560 and china even the philippines even even most of asia i'm gonna group entire continent of south 0.53

00:19:26.220 america and fuck it all of not like when i say asia i mean asian asia not like indians trying 0.87

00:19:33.760 to smuggle the orient asia but like they these they're like oh these are traditional people

00:19:38.760 they're confucians they there's the most traditional people in the world like the moment 0.72

00:19:44.700 they the moment they get ten dollars they're buying a slave they're they're they're trying

00:19:50.100 the unchained consumerism that they they run towards not even influenced by americans and

00:19:58.120 this is something i'd like to push back on with people where they act like oh america is exporting

00:20:02.900 american consumerism i'm like motherfucker you give these people a hundred bucks and they become 0.50

00:20:07.960 pieces of trash right away and that's not even they're modeling it after us there's a truth to

00:20:14.140 this but it's much more nuanced than that so i mean in some sense we are exporting consumerism

00:20:20.300 but what we're doing is how do i like i think we talked about recently the idea that like we haven't

00:20:29.660 we haven't really accounted for the long-term effects of ai for example or of media or of a lot

00:20:34.760 of these things and the truth is if you really want to be honest about it we as north americans

00:20:40.380 as westerners haven't fully accounted for it but we have accounted for it we're not doing a good

00:20:45.080 job of it but we have started the work but a lot of these other developing places they haven't even

00:20:50.920 started the work so when we talk about exporting consumerism like we have i would say like if you

00:20:56.100 look at like industrial civilization in north america we've got four maybe five generations

00:21:01.920 of like cultural learning and habits and like our culture is almost like for example railways

00:21:08.140 Like we kind of know how to how to react to reals. We don't even use them that often. But economically and in terms of a culture, we kind of have that worked in advertisements, television, newspapers, reading and writing. All of these things are kind of built into our culture already. It's not for them. So like they like for us, we're almost immune to a whole slew of advertisements, for example, like package advertising, pop advertising doesn't work on most Americans the way that it did 75 years ago.

00:21:34.800 but you can use basic bitch pop advertising from the 1940s and 50s that shit works in like the 0.78

00:21:41.520 amazon river basin right you can literally show like a shiny glistening peanut and they will 0.86

00:21:47.480 sell their soul because they've never seen that before because they've got no media literacy which

00:21:52.600 we take right granted right so that's part of it it's like are we exporting consumerism well i mean

00:21:56.980 yeah but it's kind of like it's like the drugs that we've been smoking are so refined and we're

00:22:02.800 we have such a uh like a built-up uh immunity to them that we're it doesn't hurt us that much

00:22:09.740 it's like the fucking fleas in the blankets again you know what i mean like we send it over there

00:22:14.140 and it's really really fucking them you hear a lot about um and we covered this a bit when we

00:22:18.780 went through our economics uh period there um and we talked about the industrial revolution 0.76

00:22:24.480 and uh the industrial revolution that came up in europe that emerged over a longer period of time

00:22:31.160 and you see this in britain you see this even in like the netherlands like these these countries

00:22:36.200 that actually from within them generated this we talk about the dutch you know about how the dutch

00:22:43.880 were pretty aggressive with conquest and creating the banking system and creating sort of the

00:22:51.000 corporate system but that was generated from within them over a long period of time similarly

00:22:55.960 the industrial revolution took a long long time and came up generated naturally arguably organically

00:23:03.480 not to say it wasn't messy not to say a lot of people didn't die and suffer but it happened

00:23:10.280 it happened at such a rate that people got used to it whereas in the places that were trying to

00:23:15.640 catch up to the industrial revolution in europe the great leap forward in china the entire soviet

00:23:21.640 project where they were trying to industrialize the peasant class and they did that in such a

00:23:26.360 you know it is i try not to get myself in trouble here but it was a very awe-inspiring transformation

00:23:34.740 that mao zedong did to china um and it's you know arguably it it did a lot of good things but

00:23:42.180 i think that the trade-off is you industrialize but you never get a work ethic and that might 0.99

00:23:48.900 sound like a glib way of putting it but you know this idea of having a work ethic kind of evolves

00:23:53.680 with the type of work but if just one day you become an you were a peasant now you're industrial

00:23:58.740 worker it's too fast you haven't adapted to it so you have these nations that from the outside have

00:24:05.040 all of the gizmos and they have the framework of an industrial society but the people they don't

00:24:11.440 know how to work with it and they're always going to be lost and they're always becoming at it from

00:24:15.380 almost a peasant perspective whereas like people talk about the work ethic of europeans like that

00:24:20.560 can the work ethic of the people can never be duplicated just with the infrastructure and i

00:24:26.880 think that's also with media literacy like we've we live in such a propagandized society in the west

00:24:33.640 that even the dumbest people in society are pretty media literate uh if there's any problem with them

00:24:41.000 it's that they go too far into conspiracy theories but the idea of like questioning everything you

00:24:46.680 see and trying to unpack the layers upon layers of propaganda and subversion regular people can 0.94

00:24:53.720 do that but i think sometimes we forget like an indian person would not even begin to know how

00:24:59.480 to approach that no absolutely it's true it's i mean i i you know i always like to come back to 1.00

00:25:06.060 the cargo called but it is it's it's kind of they're kind of doomed too because unless it's

00:25:12.320 generated organically through the people and takes like decades or centuries even then the

00:25:17.540 people are always going to be lost and they're always going to be illiterate you know like that 1.00

00:25:21.900 the ch the types of china there's never going to be a time when the chinese are like the germans 1.00

00:25:28.040 there's never going to be a time where the chinese are known yeah for advanced manufacturing with 0.51

00:25:34.000 such precision i guess koreans are kind of looking but i wouldn't i wouldn't rule them out if 0.97

00:25:38.880 something in the environment changed and then over a thousand years they adapted to it i mean i think

00:25:43.740 that's where we all that's how we got where we are you know like we weren't always like this when we

00:25:49.680 were you know fucking chrome magnum we weren't like this so we did adapt to get here but to think

00:25:55.520 that you can like you said like you can take technologies or different modes of civilization 0.90

00:26:00.700 and just map them onto like an existing population an existing class of workers

00:26:07.320 in a certain region with a certain culture and faith and history and expect anything to work out

00:26:13.360 on a time frame of like 10 to 20 to 30 years like you need i think you need at least like 150 to 200

00:26:20.040 years and i'm i'm not an anthropologist i'm just basing that on the fact that i know that we've

00:26:26.480 we invented this shit we invented this shit about 150 years ago and we kind of are coping with it

00:26:34.440 now we're not succeeding but like we're not dying as badly as when we first invented the shit because

00:26:39.780 we were killing ourselves with it initially so we're kind of coping with it now but it took us

00:26:44.520 150 years so developing countries developing civilizations and cultures that we give this

00:26:49.420 technology to or these systems to and it's like yeah there it's no wonder and and another thing

00:26:55.100 people discount is the for example china it's funny because you brought up china about mao

00:26:59.560 zedong and some of the things mao zedong almost exterminated his entire people it was only the

00:27:04.840 intervention of westerners the soviets that his the chinese race isn't extinct today and the actual 0.95

00:27:12.580 economic miracle didn't come about until mao died and somebody with a western education took over 0.51

00:27:18.760 the politburo like mao if if mao was actually left to his devices china would probably be white at 0.91

00:27:24.920 this point because chinese lefties he was such a horrible like not even like an evil he was evil 0.99

00:27:31.200 but i mean he was retarded he was actually a retarded man yeah a lot of their agricultural 0.99

00:27:36.560 policies were just dumb dumb in a way where i'm like did anybody look at this no they didn't it 0.96

00:27:44.000 was it was purely ideological it's like it's just it's insane how stupid mal was well it's funny

00:27:49.060 because like he was just trying to be like oh this is what the europeans would do and not and

00:27:53.000 thinking that he could just and that's where china got in trouble with which is let's just 0.68

00:27:57.320 mimic so there's no organic drive from within it's just this sort of this this overall chinese 0.71

00:28:06.140 conceptualization of themselves as the oldest and most important race of the world and never

00:28:12.200 having done anything to earn that you know i mean like they they've got a lot of people they've got

00:28:17.260 a lot of wood i suppose but it's they're not an innovative people in a lot of ways but they they

00:28:24.080 have this this idea of permanence they think they're just permanent and so they don't feel

00:28:29.740 like they need to evolve and i think that's i don't know how you'd get that out of them except

00:28:33.960 for killing them and this is what's um i'm not saying that we should kill them i'd say that's 0.90

00:28:37.880 what mao would have had to do which is try and you know evolve the chinese people and it would 0.79

00:28:44.760 have killed them but this is uh what we're going to be talking about later in the book that i'm

00:28:50.240 going to cover um it's focused mainly on the middle east but i think this applies a lot to

00:28:56.240 china and and the theme of the book it's about uh disappearing religions in the middle east

00:29:00.160 and it was about how much the 20th century specifically almost wiped out these ancient

00:29:07.100 not only civilizations but peoples and you know mao zedong is a chinese example but in this book

00:29:12.860 Saddam Hussein would have been a good Middle Eastern example where you had these religions

00:29:18.840 and you had these people and these tribes that have existed since like the year 1000 BC.

00:29:26.400 Like you're talking about cults and religions that had predated Christ. And they've existed

00:29:33.780 in the exact same place and with the exact same rituals and rites almost undisturbed 1.00

00:29:39.700 through all these political upheavals through conquest through like the mongols through 1.00

00:29:45.100 everything we'll get to the mongols in the future but all the all these big catastrophes 1.00

00:29:50.280 and it wasn't until the 20th century that they were truly threatened with annihilation and total 1.00

00:29:56.400 extinction and it was like these a couple of guys it was like how many of these like ancient

00:30:01.060 belief systems or communities existed in china for maybe millennia before mao zedong showed up 0.53

00:30:08.900 and they and they'd survived how many famines how many fucking biblical catastrophes maybe

00:30:15.660 one year that's not even on record there was asteroid strikes but they survived that but

00:30:22.900 there's this one fucking modernist dictator that almost wiped them all out and and they're in

00:30:28.940 crisis in a way that's they've never been in crisis before so that that just blew my mind 0.51

00:30:34.040 once you consider that it's like like 1950 1960 was the old the first time that they almost 1.00

00:30:43.040 destroyed the fucking world like the chinese people how long have the chinese people survived 1.00

00:30:46.640 it wasn't until this one fucking guy where they almost went away entirely that's mind-blowing 1.00

00:30:51.820 it's sad because the bit about them being like a 5 000 or 3 000 or whatever year old civilization

00:30:57.780 it's essentially true um in chinese history like i've been to a lot of of chinese museums and i've

00:31:03.460 seen a lot of exhibits all through china because i've been there and some of this stuff is like

00:31:08.460 i've been to the terracotta warriors and this shit is actually incredible i've walked through the 0.84

00:31:12.560 great wall of china it's miraculous but you can't associate that with modern chinese people there's 0.97

00:31:18.180 nobody left alive today who can claim any credit for that shit even the ones who their heart is in 1.00

00:31:23.560 the right place they are so atomized and so lost like it makes us look like paragons of cultural

00:31:29.440 virtue like it's really it really is sad what has happened to the chinese race um and yeah it is it 0.60

00:31:36.100 is the fault of now it is the fault of the communists i kind of blame the jews actually 0.69

00:31:39.400 because the soviets who put them up to it but anyway the same thing same thing essentially

00:31:44.540 happened in the middle east uh with saddam hussein he gets a lot of blame in the book i'm going to

00:31:49.800 cover but there would be others um maybe not any of the ayatollahs specifically but you know you had

00:31:56.880 it wasn't until we had these figures that you know these people started disappearing it's like

00:32:02.380 a modernist problem or a modernism problem i suppose and like you said like how do you even

00:32:08.540 turn back the clock on that and i think the way you phrased it was very good which is like

00:32:13.480 they're not the same people anymore like how can you how would they even begin at this point to

00:32:20.440 adopt the rituals and the rights and the the behavioral patterns of these these people that

00:32:28.120 might have been literally like a previous version of them that they can't even wrap their heads

00:32:33.360 around because of this you know fast forward you know not a catastrophe but a phase shift 0.53

00:32:39.540 and their entire civilization which again has never fucking happened before well you know what 0.53

00:32:45.260 i think i think first of all it's a question that we all have to be asking ourselves as well

00:32:50.320 and on a positive side i don't think it's really true that it hasn't happened before it's definitely

00:32:56.820 never happened before at this scale and that's the most frightening part is i mean the scale of

00:33:01.620 this was such that it almost destroyed them for good you know from a biological standpoint but

00:33:07.200 um from like a cultural standpoint it's not completely lost and especially in china but

00:33:13.540 elsewhere as well we've gone through dark ages and we've gone through war and famine and even

00:33:18.400 You think about in periods before reading and writing was common, it doesn't matter how much of this shit was written down by monks.

00:33:25.500 It could take hundreds of years for the local people to get that again through very, very gradual passage of information.

00:33:32.840 So, I mean, I have hope that so long as people are taking the first step of saying, I admit that something was lost and it was important and I'm going to dedicate myself or my group to discovering what that was and restoring it.

00:33:47.540 you're never going to become them if that's gone that's just history now but having that foundation

00:33:53.160 i think is what makes a civilization successful you can't have an atom a civilization of atomized

00:33:59.140 people like it's just it's extinction you know all the way down yeah so another interesting way to

00:34:05.160 look at it that i was just thinking of um and this is something that's going to become clear

00:34:09.120 the more of these historical books that we cover uh specifically uh the vikings which already

00:34:15.680 covered the mongols which we're going to cover and then the huns as well um i guess the the thesis

00:34:22.020 i'm trying to put forward here is that right now on an individual level we care more about what

00:34:30.740 people think spiritually than they ever did in the past and that sounds like a big claim

00:34:36.140 i'm going to try and back that up and we're going to back it up more as this uh series that we're

00:34:41.620 conducting goes on but um if you go back even to let's keep it within the realm of china um and

00:34:47.580 i'll just give a quick uh overview of like the mongols right now and we'll get to it in a future

00:34:52.720 episode but just a little brief nugget here was that the mongols actually did take control of

00:34:58.980 china not for that long though um the mongol dynasty was i believe the yuan dynasty and it

00:35:05.800 was only like 80 years um and the amusing part is that china uh the dynasty because china was

00:35:13.100 actually three kingdoms at the time so it wasn't like a nation as we know now but they looked as 0.81

00:35:19.500 the at the mongols as an unserious threat even as they were conquered by the mongols their confidence 0.76

00:35:25.460 in their civilization was that oh this is just going to pass point being that the mongols even 0.85

00:35:31.160 though they had their beliefs and their beliefs were more shamanistic and more uh not even pagan

00:35:36.820 but shamanistic specifically a lot of sacrifices and stuff they didn't really care what anyone

00:35:41.180 else believed in and this was a theme you see throughout the ancient world even throughout

00:35:45.620 the bronze age because people were very very spiritual maybe even far more spiritual than

00:35:50.400 they are now but it wasn't it wasn't things something people debated about it wasn't something

00:35:55.720 people felt like they even had to proselytize and that you could have an imperium or an empire made

00:36:02.400 of all these different belief systems and no one actually gave a shit and that's what blew my mind

00:36:08.660 and read and i've read so much uh history on this that that seems to be the common thread

00:36:13.540 and it was just kind of accepted even in the time of christ like there was messiahs all over the

00:36:18.380 fucking place we'll get to that today when we talk about this like there were contenders for

00:36:21.760 christianity and it wasn't but they were all permitted in rome for example but all throughout 0.72

00:36:26.980 the world it's like what but it wasn't something that you would see the bout and this but as

00:36:32.240 christianity and islam and um and judaism not so much but these two proselytizing and and more

00:36:40.820 aggressively expanding religions kind of took over but like the idea that people would engage

00:36:48.080 with each other back then like we do now is ridiculous that that you would keep track of

00:36:54.660 who around you believes what and what their identity like identity itself didn't really

00:37:00.100 make a lot of sense back then certainly not in the way that we think of it now and i don't know

00:37:06.460 i just i keep coming back to that i keep thinking like how we categorize ourselves now didn't even

00:37:11.140 make sense back then and and the way we live now as an individual there's a lot of responsibility

00:37:17.100 that we place on each other because we think of identity like they would have never thought of it

00:37:22.980 and if you look at the average person now whether they're white or they're black or like liberal or 1.00

00:37:28.340 conservative like even the basic bitches out there i think they have more responsibility on their 0.99

00:37:34.680 shoulders to adhere as an individual to like like for example look at the pagans the pagans in our 1.00

00:37:41.840 seen first of all they're a minority in on the global stage like there's not a lot of pagans

00:37:47.740 around and even if there are there's not a lot of right-wing pagans and people forget that there's

00:37:51.980 a lot of left-wing gay pagans out there so this is even like a subset of paganism writ large but

00:38:00.640 then but that's that means that they're totally alone so if you're like a pagan guy or let me

00:38:06.000 maybe get into confucianism or something but you're from a family of christians and you're you're

00:38:10.960 the the ability for you to take that entire belief system on your shoulders and just live that alone

00:38:18.000 by yourself is a mental and psychological and emotional labor that i don't think anyone in the

00:38:25.220 past could have done and i think that like the way we define ourselves these days there's so many

00:38:31.380 levels and dimensions to it that it would be maddening to someone who lived a thousand years

00:38:35.820 ago is anything i'm saying make any sense or am i just yeah i mean kind of i think it's almost

00:38:41.320 we've almost switched some of those um what do you call them like some of those needs i guess

00:38:49.300 like it seems like they had a little bit more solidarity in terms of their social strata just

00:38:55.800 because their lives were simpler you know there was a more limited technology limited modes of

00:38:59.480 communication there was less buzzing in their civilization and that meant that on some top level

00:39:05.420 things like in terms of like maybe castes and social orders and different faiths and sects and

00:39:11.600 cults and things that they would have had say in rome that we don't have now but we we don't need

00:39:16.900 to have that because we have you know swap meet and we have the fucking bowling alley i i think

00:39:22.720 i think there are i think there's probably like a cap on the level of social complexity 0.58

00:39:28.060 that is possible before society breaks apart and i think you see it getting reached across history

00:39:34.380 it's just not always reached in the same way like i think if you have if you have a certain

00:39:39.060 amount of stability on like one social order maybe that allows you to have a whole bunch of

00:39:44.040 competing faiths and that doesn't blow society apart but if you have you know and then maybe if

00:39:48.880 you have one faith in solidarity maybe that means you can have a very complex social order but you

00:39:53.460 can't have both i'm just spitballing here but it seems like because what that's interesting to me

00:39:57.600 two these ancient empires in some ways seem a lot more like quote unquote diverse than ours are but

00:40:04.780 they actually held themselves together and i think it has to do with the times and the technology and

00:40:08.720 it does um because the reason that any conquering uh you know warrior empire would want to keep

00:40:17.920 those religions the way they are is because they said oh we don't want to destabilize this area

00:40:21.720 because they're paying us taxes right we just want the taxes so we don't we it wouldn't make 0.51

00:40:26.720 sense for us to do that but on the other hand and this is kind of maybe i'm trying to sharpen the

00:40:32.700 point that i was making before but it's more like and this is just what happens when you're a

00:40:37.420 multicultural society which is another dimension to this that we should establish that these other

00:40:42.040 societies weren't really multicultural like we are now like you would have your villages and your

00:40:47.640 towns and your cities but it wasn't like you weren't side by side with someone who was different

00:40:52.020 than you so as an individual living in a multicultural society even if you have some

00:40:57.180 kind of shared identity you can almost never relax and you know what i'll even be charitable

00:41:03.060 i'll extend this to even black people too black americans which you know look listen to us

00:41:08.880 feminist podcast and a blm podcast right but you know if you're at any race living in america

00:41:16.080 you need to go to bat for your race every single fucking day the white people know that because 0.51

00:41:21.320 they see black people do it every day they lead with their identity that means you can never relax

00:41:26.080 and just say i'm among my people you're never among your people you always need to like shoulder 1.00

00:41:31.020 this identity and that's also your your race that's also your religion that's also a whole

00:41:36.940 bunch of other whatever you define yourself as but it's like you can never be comfortable you always

00:41:41.640 you feel like you always need to be a warrior for your thing and you're always being confronted

00:41:48.180 every single day by other people competitors you know if you're a christian you're surrounded by 1.00

00:41:54.520 muslims and jews that's fucking weird that's a weird way to live if you're a if you're a muslim 0.99

00:42:00.180 that's why people just make their own little enclaves but like yeah if you're a muslim and 1.00

00:42:04.220 you're surrounded by jews and christians and trannies all day like that's an insane way to 1.00

00:42:09.460 live no one should live like this because you're always on edge you're always having to reaffirm 1.00

00:42:15.540 yourself every single day and that's that's the lived experience i think of all the white people 0.76

00:42:21.400 especially like every i bet every single listener of this show every single day wakes up having to

00:42:29.160 think about their identity and throughout history no one had to do that and i don't think

00:42:34.640 psychologically that's good for us like you you have to go insane yeah it's definitely not healthy

00:42:41.520 yeah i don't that wasn't like a black pilling thing but it's just um we just kind of went off 0.51

00:42:47.820 on a tangent there i suppose but this comes into sharp relief the more i look at history and tried

00:42:54.360 to really get a grip on how people lived because we can look at the battles and the wars and

00:43:01.460 everything but you know x many people died and then this piece of land was owned by these people

00:43:08.300 and that people if people have been paying attention to our overview of history you know

00:43:13.240 we have a very deep interest in who these people are and how they live and how they live different

00:43:18.740 than us and how did it this is all interconnected and i hope that's what people uh get from what we

00:43:25.140 talk about but before we get on to the next thing i wanted to you know we don't bring up a lot of

00:43:31.080 show related things on here but just to let people know um there is a new article up

00:43:39.720 on our sister site it's for written work called the vanguardist journal i've mentioned this on a

00:43:47.420 couple of uh our podcast appearances before it's a place where uh we publish articles that are based

00:43:54.380 on the topics that we discuss about on this show.

00:43:57.060 So go to vanguardistjournal.com.

00:44:00.860 There's four articles up there that I've written.

00:44:04.340 And if you've been listening to the show,

00:44:06.100 the themes and the topics of these articles

00:44:08.540 will seem very familiar to you.

00:44:10.180 But on the show, we usually cover one per episode.

00:44:13.540 These will tie together a bunch of them

00:44:16.100 to cover some of the bigger concepts that we established.

00:44:19.840 Like when we did all this stuff on quantum mechanics,

00:44:23.360 bundle that together and and put in one piece and we uh write these without any slurs or threats

00:44:31.500 so these are intended to be a bit more serious a bit more for people who want to dive more into

00:44:37.700 these ideas we try and publish once a month there so we got a new one up today um also just to

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00:48:04.500 as well as a hardcover at the exact same time.

00:48:07.260 And then I realized I needed separate ISBNs

00:48:10.420 for both of them.

00:48:11.900 So I have the hardcover one,

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00:48:16.600 And it's archived at the Library of Canada.

00:48:19.400 I'm doing this right.

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00:48:22.920 And if you do things as a proper publisher,

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00:48:27.780 The book's been done for months.

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00:49:00.260 probably try and go for the paperback one but I would recommend the hardcover because I'm getting

00:49:06.440 into hardcover books these days I used to have paperbacks for everything but I you know I've

00:49:11.580 I've crossed over into being a terminal theory cell that I'm now spending most of my free time

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00:53:03.660 gonna get well and that was also proof of that thing you guys were just talking about this like

00:53:07.560 an hour ago that fitness is one thing but skill is another there's kind of a basic level of skill

00:53:12.720 but yeah not training but like experience fighting i'm not i don't know because i don't fight but

00:53:17.600 like uh with a lot of things in life right there's the motor memory there's a learning about the

00:53:22.240 thing and then there's the motor memory of actually doing it my suspicion is that you know

00:53:26.700 big pappy or whatever the fucking guy's name was had just fought a lot more than andy probably

00:53:31.200 because he didn't look more fit was it salt poppy a guy named salt poppy yeah like because andy 0.87

00:53:36.220 clearly looked andy was more like ripped than that guy you wouldn't expect it unless you but i'm

00:53:42.080 guessing you look at their background and it's like andy is not a fighter he trained for this

00:53:46.060 event i bet you that guy had trained more now if he hadn't then that's also really embarrassing

00:53:51.740 i don't want to hash all this out again like no no he did train more uh well he was like an

00:53:57.360 experienced fighter and my thing is if i was going into a fight i would make sure that i knew that

00:54:03.420 i would i would make sure that i opened up just one browser window opened up just one tab 0.82

00:54:10.320 and typed in the fucking name you know what i mean like that that's a whole lot of not doing 0.79

00:54:17.100 anything smart yeah i came across this video and i don't think you've seen this but it was 0.81

00:54:24.800 circulated in the chat i just wanted i can't find any other articles or any other studies based on

00:54:32.320 this but it was this video from like a conspiracy show about um these guys in the vietnam war

00:54:40.340 these soldiers rather who are using an earlier version of night vision a night vision it wasn't

00:54:46.980 green it was red so my father did three tours in the vietnam war and in his second tour he was

00:54:55.320 advanced enough in rank and he was there i think 11 or 12 months and when he was in country at that

00:55:02.240 point. He's always been a field officer and came up in the military through the Korean War in a

00:55:09.300 battlefield commission. And so, you know, the military likes guys like him, and they let him

00:55:14.300 be in charge of a couple of different projects. One of the projects that he was in charge of at

00:55:18.860 the time was this technology that they introduced into Vietnam that almost brought the war to a

00:55:26.960 standstill and this technology was a uh night vision goggle but it's not night vision as we

00:55:35.560 have it now okay uh because the night vision goggle was done in the red spectrum um and they

00:55:42.600 discontinued they stopped using that and switched over to green not long after that because they

00:55:46.660 were saying that when they're using the the red night vision at night they were seeing like all

00:55:52.220 kinds of crazy fucked up shit emerging from you know the tree lines the gunner in his uh on the 0.70

00:56:01.260 on the starboard side of his helicopter starts firing wildly at their height not at anything on 0.87

00:56:08.080 the ground but in an area that he was shooting at and basically causing other helicopters in their

00:56:13.360 little flotilla to have to react and he and my father goes on back to the to the gunner basically

00:56:19.820 demanding, what the hell, dude? What are you shooting at? And the kid is just sweating

00:56:25.160 profusely, just in his eyes are just dilated beyond belief. And my dad thought he was dealing

00:56:31.100 with another heroin addict, but this was before it had gotten really bad in Vietnam. And the kid was

00:56:36.120 not exhibiting those kinds of symptoms. He was reacting to what he had seen. And he's describing

00:56:41.660 to my father that he was shooting at these basically flying demons that were flying alongside

00:56:47.980 the helicopter and and he knew they were coming to get him because they were gesturing at him and

00:56:52.760 they could see him and so he reacted and he started shooting his bren gun uh you know big

00:56:58.820 50 caliber slugs at these things right you know where this is going where this is going put on

00:57:04.460 your conspiracy night vision here for a second and start seeing what i'm seeing which is like oh

00:57:09.060 they accidentally developed a technology that can see demons nice that's it right like that's that's

00:57:15.520 what i i hear that and i'm like that's where my mind's going immediately um and they make it sound

00:57:21.160 like oh over the trees they see these spirits these demons that are flying around and and the

00:57:27.580 story of course would be that the government's trying to hide that after trying to hide demons

00:57:31.360 from you so they switch to green have you heard about that what do you what are your thoughts on

00:57:36.720 that because i can't find anything else other than this like one i think i think it's like one account

00:57:41.280 from one vietnam well i mean look i have never heard of it and to to me it immediately just

00:57:48.140 sounds like reddit creepypasta so i don't know but um if it were true i mean i do kind of like

00:57:54.480 a lot of this stuff about it kind of blends with like um um morphic resonance or like dmt experiences

00:58:00.960 and like are there all of these other layers that through certain technologies it always seems to be

00:58:07.140 related to like electromagnetism or light or frequencies or like you know what i mean even

00:58:11.620 with dmt it's like the frequency of your brain waves are altering in a way that changes your

00:58:16.640 perception so i'm i'm open to that shit i think that some i think some version of that has to be

00:58:22.980 true but i'm not convinced by any particular story and that one just honestly smacks of like 0.53

00:58:28.980 late night creepypasta so it does um it makes you wonder though like because the thought of

00:58:36.940 switching on some goggles or some kind of you know glasses and you can see the spirit world

00:58:43.940 and you can see the spirit world interacting with the real world uh it makes you wonder that

00:58:48.940 if you were 100 convinced that your ancestors were watching over you right now would you change your

00:58:58.840 behavior i know some people will say like oh i believe they're watching over me i'm like

00:59:02.120 but you don't not really most people don't really think that their ancestors are really

00:59:09.520 watching over them some do not not everyone's but i think most people don't but if you like

00:59:14.740 really think of it if you were 100 convinced that right now your entire life they're watching over

00:59:18.920 you would you change your behavior yes i would but i mean for me i actually do think about it

00:59:26.260 all the time especially my grandfather i often think of like i don't know not like he's watching

00:59:32.840 me but i almost it's almost like a what would jesus do thing for me i'm like is this is this

00:59:37.040 a way that i would be embarrassed behaving if he were here so yeah that's that's kind of like what

00:59:44.380 would you do and you're asking as if you were him your grandfather now that doesn't make any sense

00:59:51.600 that's a dumb thing i just said but you know what i'm gonna leave that in because i think i deserve

00:59:56.240 it tonight i don't think i've been on my top game humiliation you're all right whatever man 0.93

01:00:00.900 frankly you should run me over the fucking zamboni well i'm not gonna do it because mine's in the 0.97

01:00:07.200 shop that you want to hear something embarrassing what are you okay when i was growing up i played 0.97

01:00:13.660 hockey when i was growing up like a lot of good canadian boys i played hockey for many many years

01:00:18.980 my father was a coach and so we played a lot ice hockey and then street hockey it was just hockey

01:00:24.000 all the time but i don't know if this is the early onset of autism where my favorite part

01:00:30.740 of hockey was watching the zamboni clean the ice and like i was just real like the only equivalent

01:00:39.240 i can compare to would be like a kid who's into trains too much like a young little autistic kid

01:00:45.360 who just like will stare at trains like i remember i remember as an adult thinking back i remember

01:00:51.000 many times standing in the arena and watching the zamboni clean the ice and go nice that's what and

01:00:59.020 i think what i liked about it was like watching the ice kind of turn smooth and it's like watching

01:01:04.400 like a farmer kind of uh cultivate a field and watching everything line up completely

01:01:09.460 yeah like this is good he's gonna do it he did it all in one movement perfect he didn't need to

01:01:15.260 double back or fix any mistakes and just it was this big machine that didn't make sense to me

01:01:20.480 it's this big fucking box and i i to this day i don't know what goes on in there yeah it's weird 0.80

01:01:28.680 like is it it's got to be like polishing it but also like melting it a little bit and adding 0.73

01:01:33.040 fresh water i don't know yeah it's like water is involved okay there's definitely water in there

01:01:37.660 but it's almost like it's it's almost too big like it doesn't make sense why it would need to

01:01:41.780 be that big so it makes me think there's got to be a lot going on in there that's it's just

01:01:46.520 fucking weird and the design nothing's changed in like 50 or 60 years we need to do a deep dive

01:01:53.360 on zambonis how they work the history the true meaning of zambonis yeah who's behind them and 0.84

01:02:00.260 why behind them and also let's go back to who who and why and who is behind zambonis

01:02:06.060 but it spent an entire episode on that you know what i kind of related because this is the first

01:02:15.600 time in a long time that i've lived near agriculture my house is actually surrounded

01:02:18.780 by cornfields and i'd never had this experience but during harvest season um having them that

01:02:24.480 close to the house like these massive combines and i took the kids out when they were harvesting

01:02:28.280 and we just sat like on the bank of the road essentially right because we're like our house

01:02:32.700 on one side is like three four meters from like a dirt road and the that road is a cornfield like

01:02:39.680 the other side of it so like we're sitting there and this thing is like it's massive and loud but

01:02:45.080 again like seeing something that large turn on a dime and like not miss a single row and then like

01:02:51.840 the way it spits it out through the air into a nearby truck which is also driven manually and

01:02:56.940 like it's like a ballet it's beautiful yeah well you know what i was watching this show recently

01:03:02.660 and this is not a movie corner don't worry everyone stop stop stop i've been getting in

01:03:12.620 trouble with some people but i'm just going to tell you about a show i've been watching recently

01:03:15.420 that's just like this it's called a clarkson's farm um i don't know if you've heard about this

01:03:20.860 but like jeremy clarkson jeremy clarkson yeah nice it's a reality show so people don't know

01:03:25.720 jeremy clarkson perhaps the most british guy that's ever existed like when you think of an

01:03:32.200 older british guy i you might have thought of like a stephen fry some some kind of like

01:03:37.540 pretentious pompad but i think jeremy clarkson is when i think a british guy it's him and

01:03:42.380 uh host of top gear host of the grand tour fantastic guy he's got this other reality

01:03:47.220 show called clarkson's farm uh you know based off of a real story where he owns this massive

01:03:53.240 acreage of land you know it's 600 acres something like that they just bought he bought it and he

01:03:59.200 had someone kind of take care of it you know over there in in britain and uh the the guy who was

01:04:04.800 taking care of it all who had owned it that probably worked at his whole life he was retiring

01:04:09.560 ring and so he's like what am i going to do well i'm going to learn how to how to farm and so the

01:04:14.320 show is following him um and it's as full of hijinks and and whoopsie daisies as much as you

01:04:21.480 would think but uh that was one of the things they talked about so one of the side characters on the

01:04:26.920 show is this young guy who again has been you know he's early 20s but he's like a farmer's kid

01:04:34.320 and he's got his own little company and he's helping clarks and he's the guy who knows things

01:04:39.100 and they kind of butt heads and it's funny but uh there was this one moment where uh jeremy he got

01:04:45.980 i mean the joke is that he had to buy a tractor and so you know he goes shopping for one he ends

01:04:51.500 up buying like a giant ferrari tractor i didn't know ferrari made tractors but it's everything

01:04:59.540 about it is just vast weighs 10 tons i have 40 forwards gears and 40 reverse gears it's got the

01:05:11.940 wrong hitch on what that's a european hitch what's the mess i got it from germany you may well have

01:05:19.560 done so i can't attach anything to the back of this not at the moment the error messages are in 0.84

01:05:25.980 fucking german and they open it up and it's in korean and stuff um because they have to repair 0.85

01:05:31.040 it but that was one thing where he's got he's learning how to do everything and so he's got

01:05:34.660 to cultivate a field which is just kind of like digging up the soil and preparing it for seeds

01:05:39.060 and he starts doing he starts thinking he's very clever instead of going in perfect rows he starts

01:05:45.840 doing like a wavy s thing it's like i'll do this and i'll loop back and do the other side which

01:05:50.500 completely fucks it up obviously but the there's a part where caleb is the guy's name caleb is his

01:05:56.200 helper and he he makes a joke where he's like you know you didn't do it straight it's all it's all 0.79

01:06:01.760 fucked up like everyone's gonna be that's by a main road people are gonna drive by and make fun 0.88

01:06:06.580 of you and he's like really it's like yes that that's what we do other farmers like they look 0.73

01:06:11.440 at you if your field isn't like razor laser cut like everyone makes fun of you for like a year

01:06:19.380 that's so awesome yeah well because why of course you would it's like oh look at this guy 0.83

01:06:25.660 fucked up his like tilling his field and yeah jeremy fucked it up in like a huge way but if

01:06:32.640 you're a regular farmer and it's kind of crooked you know you're not living that down for like 10 0.86

01:06:37.880 years probably yeah yeah that's a lot of pressure that i never even thought of people gonna walk to

01:06:44.020 the other side of the street when they see you because you missed the corner of your fry field

01:06:48.440 well because i'm like how they know how would they like they can't see it unless it's from above but

01:06:52.720 i guess life finds a way yeah so i'd write it's a fun show like it's not it's a reality show so

01:07:00.080 there's probably some behind the scenes producer like it's not 100 accurate and jeremy clarkson's

01:07:05.980 like 65 or whatever it is but he's bae's a big drinker and a smoker so he might be like 47 i

01:07:12.680 don't know how old he is but he's a guy who's like too big for his bones if that makes any sense

01:07:19.720 yeah you know there's some guys who look like they're big but they shouldn't be that big he's

01:07:26.180 like a dane or something like um like the british guys like that who's the other guy i just said um

01:07:35.320 the gay one he played oscar wilde what i said his name and now i don't know it 0.60

01:07:40.220 a steven fry one steven fry oh yeah yeah yeah like he looks like a guy like he's big but like 0.92

01:07:46.840 there's something wrong with his bones and muscles right it doesn't fit together correctly 0.60

01:07:51.920 15 pounds of shit in a 10 pound bag i was about to say that i would say then you said it 0.55

01:07:59.620 by the way before we move on um have you heard about this exciting new uh political group it's

01:08:09.280 called uh the intellectual brown web oh what was the one the guy posted like today or yesterday

01:08:17.940 that it's like you you beta i've been i've been uh shit posting since you were in diapers or 0.99

01:08:26.560 it's some it's like half peterson you bitch fuck you bitch fuck you mother fuck bloody bloody 1.00

01:08:34.600 fuck mother fuck you everyone's kind of thinking like no it's it's literally that it's literally 1.00

01:08:40.500 like someone made fun the the indian guy and they went full indian mode yeah he went full 0.91

01:08:46.780 fuck your mother um so this was stephen pinker of all people was i want to just read the tweet

01:08:54.460 might as well stephen pinker you've heard of the intellectual dark web introducing the 0.96

01:09:01.220 intellectual brown web which even as like a sentiment doesn't make sense it's like the dark

01:09:09.100 i i guess the dark was white or the dark was jewish which is really what we're getting at here

01:09:14.320 so dark is jewish jot that down but then like who is this guy razib is the main guy

01:09:23.900 On his sub stack, Razeeb Khan's Unsupervised Learning. 0.95

01:09:29.280 Is there anything more suffocating than an exiled academic?

01:09:36.800 Is there anything worse than a renegade professor?

01:09:43.860 I'm going to teach you everything that you're not allowed to learn.

01:09:47.420 Guess what? 1984 is the first book we're going to read.

01:09:52.040 then it's three muslim girls autobiographies about how capitalism saved them oh

01:10:00.020 yeah this is what i need to pay 200 000 a year for uh unsupervised learning he hosts three guests

01:10:08.380 here's the names sarah hater of a special place in hell shadi hamid of the brookings institute

01:10:16.460 and murtaza hussein of the intercept so this is literally just i i guess this was the whole thing

01:10:26.220 the intellectual dark web was just like anti-woke would we say that's what it was because they're

01:10:31.720 making it sound here that guess what there's the brown anti-woke people if that's all it was then 0.75

01:10:37.120 right kind yeah i guess but it has to be according to this that's all it was anti-woke might even be 1.00

01:10:44.660 to like kind because i mean my observation of the intellectual dark web is they're extremely jewish 0.87

01:10:52.640 like they're almost they're almost more jewish than the normal left wing like they're so fucking 0.95

01:10:58.820 jewish so um i don't know i actually don't really like the idw guys in the first place so to me this 0.89

01:11:05.760 is just like it's like a linkedin indian cargo cult parody of something that was already really 0.88

01:11:11.860 gay which is usually what the indians will do like they'll they will latch onto it and make 0.99

01:11:16.240 their own version which is horribly bad and an endless source of laughs for the rest of us so 1.00

01:11:20.400 i mean i'm thrilled that they've done this it's actually it's probably an improvement

01:11:23.860 on the intellectual dark i will say as much as we disparage and dislike the intellectual dark web

01:11:31.260 i still like eric and brett weinstein i just like i like them i don't know i i i like what 0.79

01:11:39.160 they're saying but i'm so fucking sick of both of them i'm really really sick you don't what's 0.80

01:11:43.760 what's your beef with them they are too you know what it is i think they walk a really dangerous 0.93

01:11:49.160 line with how popular they are on the right wing and how like irreligious they are as jews but 1.00

01:11:56.480 regardless how fucking jewish they are they're so jewish they're like the epitome of like an 0.94

01:12:04.700 atheistic, left-wing Jew, 0.95

01:12:06.980 but they're actually right-wing thought leaders. 1.00

01:12:09.580 Like, to me, that's one of the most insidious things.

01:12:11.600 And on that alone, I hate them, especially Eric.

01:12:16.580 Brett, I mean, Brett, I think he's just a more affable guy.

01:12:20.740 Eric, I want to beat his head in.

01:12:23.160 Brett, I could have a beer with him.

01:12:25.200 But with both of them, I actually agree.

01:12:28.360 Like, from a philosophical, like an academic standpoint,

01:12:30.980 I agree with most of what they write.

01:12:32.660 but i just wish they weren't around i wish they were gone and that we didn't have to cope with

01:12:38.220 them because they're bad they're fucking bad they're gonna turn i guarantee you they're gonna 0.83

01:12:42.640 turn around we're gonna make some movements and they're gonna use their credibility and 0.90

01:12:46.780 legitimacy at some point in the future 10 years i don't fucking know and they're gonna flip the 0.98

01:12:51.620 script on us because they're fucking jewish it's gonna happen be ready for that but you know what 0.99

01:12:56.260 i agree with you that i think brett weinstein i bet if we sat down with him we could meet him 0.92

01:13:03.660 halfway with a lot of our more extreme ideas he's actually seems to be more open to like the more

01:13:09.000 fringe stuff but uh eric weinstein but eric is the one with the really fucked up hair and and

01:13:15.820 the warts on his face he's the guy who's like flipping off nazi statues and really really

01:13:23.780 putting his jewish identity up there even though he is an atheist but he's like he's the guy who

01:13:29.400 goes off on anti-semitism i bet we could get brett weinstein into our anti-semitic sandbox

01:13:36.160 well not now if you publish what i just said but yeah i mean it's still yeah no that's just you

01:13:41.320 that's just you being a podcast guy just me yeah that's just yes you guys being dudes

01:13:47.020 i know exactly what you say because one of the things i actually liked about eric weinstein

01:13:56.160 though was what a piece of shit he is and when you put him up against with other science guys

01:14:02.120 like he's needlessly hostile to them oh yeah i love that i love that's very i like that

01:14:07.720 but that that when turned on me i would not like yeah yeah but i i i just i like the physics stuff

01:14:16.360 i was just doing going through youtube this week and for some reason i got off on a whole

01:14:22.720 uh stretch of string theory stuff more about like so what the fuck happened with string theory and

01:14:28.560 just hearing scientists go at each other pro string theory guys and i just like that but then

01:14:34.660 you see these people pop up and um yeah anyway that's what that's the last time i saw him i

01:14:41.400 just had him on the top of my mind and now we get the i'm looking i'm looking at the tweet here just

01:14:47.880 of the intellectual brown web steven pinker tweet the first response with uh it's by melissa chen

01:14:57.180 hello us yellows want our webs too and razib khan responds i'm 15 yellow so i'm already in but yes

01:15:08.160 were a brown inclusive identity oh no how is anybody 15 anything like how does that fraction

01:15:14.340 i couldn't tell you i was i was talking to zolt um zoltanus and um that interview is going to be

01:15:22.620 at the end of this episode but he was talking about um this guy on our in our milieu called

01:15:29.220 uber soy and he said you were so he's like a third jewish and i just started thinking like

01:15:34.920 how does that work how how do you can a person be a third of something

01:15:39.180 no no the answer is no i mean if you want to take a 23 and me and just take the numbers for

01:15:46.420 what they are but no you can't but i'm just like thinking about how how humans mate and like how

01:15:53.900 would you end up like with a 33.3 percent like i don't maybe i'm just it's dumb here it's such a

01:15:59.680 white reaction to try to work through it and cover all possible like how could i be wrong maybe 0.88

01:16:05.260 there's a way that no it's just retarded it's just stupid it's just a dumb thing case closed 0.98

01:16:12.060 you're fired fuck damn it fired from my own podcast again not you not you the jeet whoever 0.99

01:16:19.400 made that declaration i'm no case closed it's dumb you're fired 0.99

01:16:24.900 this is why it's like it's good to have judas around you really snap me back into snap back 0.87

01:16:32.120 to reality thanks buddy i'm here for you there goes gravity um

01:16:38.460 this is what i tell people that you know it is stunning to consider that every single white guy

01:16:48.680 in north america right now could if prompted recite all the lyrics to lose yourself by m&m

01:16:57.440 yep find me one who couldn't find me i'm talking to every race of white guy

01:17:03.900 i'm talking dorks i'm talking jacks i'm talking koreans i think fetterman made that state law

01:17:14.100 didn't he that that all boys must now learn that in grade school or is this our redemption arc for

01:17:20.600 fetterman yeah fetterman's cool now um before we move on i wanted to just there's this we could

01:17:29.300 spend a lot of time on this but i kind of want to talk about it now and just see where it goes

01:17:35.220 because maybe a bud dovetails in the next thing but have you at all been following the recent

01:17:41.960 leaks coming out of the uk um about their covid policy um so i'm gonna read you a headline from

01:17:51.420 new york times and this is big it's a developing story and so i'm i'm i don't want to comment on

01:17:57.280 the full scope of it yet because we don't know the end but from what i've seen so far

01:18:01.860 it's pretty damning we just i just don't know how big this thing gets but here's the headline from

01:18:07.660 the new york times it says um the ex-minister's texts lift the veil on the uk covid policy so

01:18:16.420 a trove of over more than 100 000 whatsapp messages exchanged between matt hancock then

01:18:25.180 the british british health secretary and other government figures revealed the scramble to

01:18:30.940 coordinate the virus response. And here's another one from ABC News. UK health chiefs leaked messages

01:18:39.460 revive raw pandemic debate. Pupils and teachers wearing masks, schools closed to limit the spread

01:18:46.800 of COVID. Big decisions under new scrutiny. The journalist Isabel Oakeshott, a critic of lockdown

01:18:52.940 measures, was given access to Matt Hancock's WhatsApp messages to help him write his book.

01:18:58.580 She's since passed them to the Daily Telegraph,

01:19:01.000 breaking a legal agreement.

01:19:02.740 This is about the millions of people,

01:19:05.540 every one of us in this country,

01:19:08.060 that were adversely affected by the catastrophic decisions

01:19:12.060 to lock down this country repeatedly,

01:19:15.440 often on the flimsiest of evidence, for political reasons.

01:19:19.160 And yet you helped Matt Hancock write a book

01:19:20.540 justifying all those very decisions...

01:19:22.200 Why? Because I wanted to get to the truth of it.

01:19:25.160 Matt Hancock accused her of betrayal.

01:19:27.220 In a statement, he said there is absolutely no public interest for this huge breach.

01:19:31.980 All the materials for the book have already been made available to the inquiry, he said,

01:19:36.300 which is the right and only place for everything to be considered properly

01:19:40.120 and the right lessons to be learned.

01:19:42.500 He added, as we've seen, releasing them in this way gives a partial,

01:19:46.460 biased account to suit an anti-lockdown agenda.

01:19:50.160 And what's interesting is how the mainstream press is covering this,

01:19:54.480 because as i'll show you from this article here they're trying to almost sprinkle in a bit of

01:20:02.240 condemnation that we're even talking about this right now because it's a lot of oh this is digging

01:20:07.240 dredging up old stuff and reopening old wounds but why are we even talking about covid anymore

01:20:14.920 and that's how you know we're getting somewhere so it says the words of former health secretary

01:20:20.860 matt hancock in 2020 have revived painful debates in the country that has seen more than

01:20:26.540 182 000 coronavirus deaths um the nature of the league has also sparked a storm hancock shared

01:20:34.040 his whatsapp messages with journalist isabel okinshot as they worked on a book pandemic

01:20:39.440 diaries okinshot in turn handed the messages to the daily telegraph newspaper which has splashed

01:20:46.260 them in a series of front page stories and he's accusing them of a massive betrayal and a breach

01:20:52.700 of trust now you have to scroll down pretty far to find out what they say they're really burying

01:21:00.720 the lead on this one what he's basically saying is we have messages of the health secretary in

01:21:06.400 the united kingdom talking openly with other government officials about how they should

01:21:11.720 address covid not only trying making notes they need to attack certain journalists who are

01:21:18.520 questioning the covid narrative but also what they can do to make people lock down easier like

01:21:26.480 what they need to do to convince people what they need to do there's actually no joke within these

01:21:31.460 leaks and i've seen them there's an exchange where they're talking about how to announce a

01:21:38.280 new variant to scare people this was based on almost nothing and they'd lined up when these

01:21:45.060 text messages were written and delivered to his appearance like the following day on a news

01:21:52.500 program in britain saying like the message is like okay use this language say new variant

01:21:57.720 scare the pants off them and then boom there he is on next he was coordinating with these people

01:22:03.300 like how do we scare them? In now public WhatsApp messages back from December of 2020, Britain's

01:22:09.300 ex-health minister, Matt Hancock, expressed concerns that London's mayor would challenge

01:22:13.800 the city's stringent COVID rules and wrote that he wanted to, quote, frighten the pants off

01:22:18.580 everyone with the new strain. Twin-inch advisor replied, yep, that's what will get proper behavior

01:22:24.260 change. Hancock responded, quote, when do we deploy the new variant? Hancock would go on to

01:22:30.320 announced the identification of a new COVID variant in the UK just one day after this conversation

01:22:35.920 took place. How do we prolong this lockdown? And it shows the behind the scenes messages of them

01:22:42.600 trying to work this out. Like, it looks like the numbers aren't really there. They're not matching

01:22:46.900 up. They're saying it doesn't fucking matter. Don't tell them the numbers. Like, this is the

01:22:51.020 smoking gun. This is literally the smoking gun of everything we said was fucking correct,

01:22:56.360 that they were making it up it was a power grab they were coordinating their language this was

01:23:01.320 not based on there's for what it's worth the science at the beginning there were scientists

01:23:07.120 who were saying like this this isn't anything but you know there are bad scientists who are

01:23:12.300 trying to push it as well like this was just a fucking uh not a hoax but it was a it was a 0.57

01:23:18.580 conspiracy this was a government conspiracy yes yes and that's that's what matters too i mean

01:23:24.900 because you know what's going to happen is they're going to pivot back and we're going to get into

01:23:28.320 like the autistic details about you know again how how viral it was and how dangerous it was and 0.69

01:23:34.540 what like none of that matters the important thing is all of the death and all of the destruction i 0.95

01:23:39.880 don't mean death from the virus i mean from suicide i mean from the vaccine all of this shit

01:23:43.900 the government is responsible for that because of this fucking conspiracy what matters at this

01:23:49.160 point three years in is the conspiracy and only the conspiracy so there's this woman here named 0.62

01:23:55.800 professor devy sridhar so they got an indian woman okay well she said what i found shocking

01:24:02.720 was the callous nature of the messages the banter the humor and how casual they were about making

01:24:07.800 decisions that affected people's lives says professor devy the whatsapp dump she said

01:24:12.960 offered revealing glimpses of government officials under intense pressure as they

01:24:18.740 scramble to formulate health policies amid rapidly changing, often conflicting information.

01:24:25.320 The information, remember, just everyone kind of pumped the brakes there for a second.

01:24:30.260 You have to understand that these are the people in charge of information.

01:24:34.080 So you must not accept when the people who are the purveyors of information say,

01:24:39.940 we were working with bad information.

01:24:41.960 you actually don't get to say that no you don't get to be a doctor and say i was working with the

01:24:48.900 wrong interpretation of what organs do if if you were going to accept it the absolute minimum you

01:24:55.680 could you could do and still be respected as a serious person would be to make sure all of those

01:25:01.500 people lose their jobs because like you say their job is information so if all of their information

01:25:06.300 was wrong you should at least lose your job and now whether how much of that was actually

01:25:11.500 criminal and intentional and conspiratorial i mean you're already at a point where nobody should

01:25:17.880 walk out of this with their credibility or jobs in fact so here's one uh just a little brief thing

01:25:24.320 from the abc article the revelations are the latest setback for hancock who was forced to

01:25:31.160 resign from the conservative government in june 2021 after breaching coronavirus lockdown rules

01:25:37.400 by having an affair with an aide violating a ban on different households mixing it's like well

01:25:44.440 also having an affair also with like someone who's yours like there's a lot going on there

01:25:49.440 man now they were getting dangerously close to dudes rock territory though

01:25:54.560 oh man so yeah they're they're what i'm afraid of is that they're gonna pin it on this guy they

01:26:02.680 found the guy the former guy who's in charge and i think this is what the the powers that be the

01:26:10.980 system where you want to call it this is what they do they're going to give you an acceptable

01:26:15.100 sacrifice so the guy who's not even working at the job that means you can't even fire anyone now can

01:26:20.800 you because they're not going to imprison him but they might say oh we will settle for a firing

01:26:25.620 there's no one to fire he doesn't have the job anymore so this whole circus is is set up so that

01:26:34.620 no one will ever get in trouble and his face being plastered everywhere it's to kind of get us talking

01:26:40.200 like i don't want people to to miss the story here which is that who was he talking to he was

01:26:47.620 talking to other government officials he's talking to mps he's talking to ministers he's this was

01:26:52.020 it wasn't this one guy you do not get to pin coronavirus the covet 19 lockdowns on this

01:26:59.100 fucking guy like you don't get to pin the housing christ the 2008 housing collapse

01:27:05.720 on like one guy at goldman sachs every the fucking system needs to be on trial 0.85

01:27:11.940 and that's what i would has i would caution people when they see these stories they probably get like 0.87

01:27:17.060 me were like yes i want to see this guy go down in flames but i also i have to force myself not

01:27:22.900 to give a shit because even the news are like oh well this guy he's not so bad but i guess 0.88

01:27:27.640 if you're looking for someone no no no i want every i want the one who wrote this fucking 0.97

01:27:32.360 article at chopping block too i want everyone involved don't don't give me this motherfucker 0.96

01:27:37.140 don't give me an ex-minister who kind of talked a bit too much like trump for your liking the way 0.87

01:27:44.360 the way i always feel about it is i would like to go after them as a block and then they have to

01:27:50.160 prove their innocence not the other way around like it'd be great to say every single person 0.99

01:27:56.000 who served even in a tertiary position in any government role like probably 50 000 people

01:28:02.140 anybody in management administration at any hospital in the country so probably another

01:28:06.880 250 000 people all of them go on trial with the assumption that they're guilty and it's up to you

01:28:13.800 to show us and i know that that sounds brutal but i mean you're responsible for essentially a

01:28:19.320 genocide you're literally responsible for a medical genocide and the destruction possibly 0.53

01:28:24.280 of a hundred years 200 years of civilization we're still seeing what the final outcome is going to be 0.80

01:28:29.360 but i don't think we're done with this shit especially with the vaccine i don't think it's

01:28:33.040 over i i wish it were over but yeah i i i don't think it's fair with what happened to treat this

01:28:39.920 in a normal a normal way another good judas policy position has revealed itself here because

01:28:48.000 it gets too complicated it gets too muddy when you're trying to assign blame and assign how do

01:28:54.900 you even judge this how many people do you need to put on trial for this what we need to do is

01:29:00.000 day one everyone in the western world is wearing a bomb collar you know what fuck it everyone on

01:29:09.680 earth is wearing a bomb color and you have 24 hours to prove that you're cool or it say lovey

01:29:19.100 to prove that you're cool yeah yes you gotta prove that you're a podcast listener you gotta

01:29:25.380 you gotta prove you're a blood tally fan and then it's it's we're we call this working within the

01:29:31.180 negative space this is this is how you craft policy and again that's never been proposed

01:29:36.560 it's a what we call an elegant solution yes yes so i don't know whoever is in charge of politics

01:29:45.000 jot that one down put that up on the board moving along i always i never leave myself enough time to

01:29:52.720 talk about this stuff because this the book i'm going to talk about today is very engaging i had

01:29:57.760 a lot of fun reading this one and i talked about it a bit earlier in the episode but uh the topic

01:30:04.360 of the day is broadly middle eastern culture more specifically the ancient religions and cults

01:30:15.880 and sort of lesser known uh spiritual movements in the middle east and it's this book um called

01:30:24.620 heirs to forgotten kingdoms journeys into the disappearing religions of the middle east

01:30:30.780 and what i liked about this book and why i think it's relevant as we continue on our march through

01:30:36.760 world history is that when you read about this stuff this is a new book it's a modern book

01:30:42.980 written by a gerard russell who's the senior associate at the foreign policy center in london

01:30:50.160 and the senior fellow of the new american foundation is a former british and un diplomat

01:30:55.780 and served for 15 years throughout the middle east so this is western guy you know the type

01:31:01.100 older western guy probably a liberal but he's he's been down in the trenches in these countries

01:31:07.560 and can speak to experience and this book is written from his perspective and his first-hand

01:31:13.840 accounts meeting a lot of these religious figures so i'm basically it's written from a modern

01:31:21.560 perspective where this old spirituality intersects with modern geopolitics and i think he wants to

01:31:31.040 kind of tell a story where how this interacts interacts with isis i don't really care about

01:31:35.480 isis in this but like i mentioned earlier in the episode the real bad guy in a lot of this turns

01:31:40.720 out to be saddam hussein um and there's not really a narrative through line from this book it's more

01:31:48.780 like each chapter focuses on a fringe spiritual movement and by fringe i just mean not mainstream

01:31:58.080 islamic christianity lesser known religions however what's fascinating is these are the

01:32:03.440 religions that are thousands and thousands of years old for example uh we'll get to this later

01:32:08.960 the zoastrians you know they go back to the year 1000 bc oh yeah they're still kicking around you 0.95

01:32:15.460 You know, a lot of these were popular alongside this crazy little thing called Christianity, you know, like the Mithraics, for example. 0.95

01:32:25.980 Cultic sites are Mithraeums extended all over the entire Roman world.

01:32:31.880 Despite the popularity of this religion, we know basically nothing about the inner mythology or the religious practices of Mithraism.

01:32:41.320 the what i liked about this book was each chapter focused on a different one so you get one chapter

01:32:47.440 is the samaritans one chapter is the druids one the zoastrians and whatnot and it's it's not only

01:32:55.180 the history but him actually going to these villages and talking to the elders and i will

01:33:00.440 say however just to preface this that i i have no evidence of this but knowing the types of guys who

01:33:08.520 write these books and the types of um adventures this guy was going on it could very well be that

01:33:15.480 he was always treated as an outsider so you'll hear from him like you know i went to this village

01:33:20.340 they're the most hospitable people in the world you know they're the nicest they're the most

01:33:25.820 tolerant it's like yeah but they also see you as a western white guy showing up and i think that

01:33:32.920 if if anyone knows any of the middle east they know they know optics as much as anyone so they

01:33:38.540 know okay when the white guy shows up roll up the red carpet give them your best stew

01:33:43.740 and be sure you come with stories about how tolerant you are you'll never see the real that

01:33:51.000 at least from his perspective that seems fair right i'm not just being mean to him no no that's

01:33:56.640 that's the way it is it's sad not more people realize that yeah so it's like oh you know you

01:34:01.880 know these they historically this has been the most tolerant place in the world but then you

01:34:06.160 actually read about these religions and it's like doesn't seem like it but you know he he got the

01:34:11.860 grand tour of these places that might have the moment he left some of these villages that might

01:34:16.660 have just started sacrificing women you don't know but you know according to him every you know

01:34:22.240 we're the real savages right yeah okay um but there is there is some historical truth

01:34:30.400 to how uh muslims and and christians as well early on but muslims didn't really give a shit 0.95

01:34:38.660 about these smaller religions and just kind of let them live because you have to think like these

01:34:43.040 were being kept alive in the mountains sometimes so it's not like a lot of like the muslim invaders 0.97

01:34:49.880 showed up like some of these these tribes were way the fuck out in mountains caves villages like 1.00

01:34:55.920 we were talking about earlier with the mongols they didn't really give a shit at that point 1.00

01:34:59.200 they'd give a shit now which is why they're disappearing now but throughout history throughout 1.00

01:35:05.360 these religions that have been there for 1500 2000 years after how many calamities catastrophes

01:35:12.940 famines wars it's only in like the mid 20th century that their livelihoods and existences

01:35:20.360 were really threatened at all and i think that is the the most stunning part about this and

01:35:26.320 that's why i established it at the top like what i took from it but i'm gonna pepper in a bunch of

01:35:31.560 just fun facts i learned about some various religions and maybe we could just have some

01:35:35.640 fun with it so sure um i'll just cut and start reading off so islam um throughout history the

01:35:42.880 reason these exist islam didn't really subjugate these religions or these spiritualities uh through

01:35:49.820 their conquest because and he said this in the book and i've always said it you've said it but

01:35:53.940 i never heard a guy like this say it but uh islam was seen as an ethno-religious religion and it's

01:36:01.900 only for arabic people oh really yeah so when they when the arabs were invading these other

01:36:07.640 places where they weren't arabs and they maybe they're in egypt and maybe they're in syria

01:36:11.060 is a big one they didn't see them as arab so there's like well why would we why would we try

01:36:16.480 and proselytize to them which is something we've noted and many people have noted obviously but

01:36:22.040 we've noted because like if you look at islam it is very arabic and it's it's writing and it's

01:36:28.680 fashion it's dress it's like you to become a muslim you essentially need to adopt arabic

01:36:35.220 culture there's no two ways about it and so just hearing that codified in this book i thought that

01:36:41.500 was really interesting but and they said this was important because around the third century

01:36:46.640 in this part of the world in the middle east um second and third century there's an influx of

01:36:52.720 religious activity due to trade due to western expansion due to all the stuff you probably heard

01:36:57.800 about um so a lot of the religions of the entire world collided in the region of persia so and this

01:37:06.620 is where you might have seen you know christianity spread this was the world that christ lived in

01:37:11.080 where there was a lot of more competing spiritualities.

01:37:15.720 Like we talked about before, the Mithraics was one example,

01:37:18.660 where most of them are just slightly more elevated pagan religions, frankly. 0.79

01:37:25.440 But this was a real brouhaha of contenders. 0.73

01:37:30.440 And then Islam was just one of the upstarts at the same time as well. 0.53

01:37:34.800 So I'll start with this one interesting religion called the Mandeans.

01:37:40.520 m-a-n-d-a-e-a-n-s mandeans so they're this middle eastern religion that their primary

01:37:48.800 prophet isn't jesus christ it's actually john the baptist and instead of heaven it's

01:37:55.540 called just light world um so so it's like interesting it's like they they but a lot of

01:38:01.400 these religions they'll borrow and they recognize christianity and they recognize islam and they'll

01:38:06.760 have in judaism too we'll get to that in a second they borrow parts but not all of it so like the

01:38:12.100 idea of john the baptist being the main guy is pretty interesting to me um and they they all

01:38:17.520 get baptized every single one of this big in their religion but they have to baptize in a running

01:38:22.420 water um and they said that uh um they're they're descendants of seth you know seth like the almost

01:38:31.340 like a almost a demonic figure um and one of their beliefs is and i wrote this down too

01:38:37.640 um they said babies that are unbaptized live forever in a forest of breasts

01:38:45.500 what i don't really he just described i don't there was no drawing there was no they didn't

01:38:52.240 really go into it that much so i was really hoping for an illustration i didn't know if this

01:38:56.480 one of those mistranslation things where it's like oh 72 virgins well a virgin could mean women

01:39:02.560 or men you know what i mean like and it doesn't do they mean sexual virgins or was that a strange

01:39:08.240 translation i'm just going to assume it's a haunted titty forest um probably is yeah

01:39:15.920 but for centuries they were considered heretics and in the digital age their faith is linked to

01:39:20.640 spells and sorcery they want to dispel the myths about witchcraft and magic being associated with

01:39:26.080 the Gnostic religion. Sabians say their numbers are barely a fifth of what they were before the

01:39:30.720 2003 invasion because of Iraq's security and theirs being a closed religion. 0.99

01:39:35.760 One can only be born into the faith and marrying into their religion is forbidden. 0.96

01:39:40.160 And the population has dwindled even further because thousands have taken refuge elsewhere 0.90

01:39:44.640 for safety. And one thing, a commonality with a lot of these religions, and this is why they

01:39:51.360 they would probably get disparaged as pagan religions is that most of them are sun focused

01:39:57.320 like because when we talked about like the mithraeg like worshiping the sun or saul

01:40:02.400 most of them did most of them had not only sun worship but also animal worship and we'll get to

01:40:08.960 that in a second um but what's more interesting about the mandeans is um they are keeping the

01:40:16.440 ancient language of babylon alive um they're essentially like a a slice of living history

01:40:22.760 going back to the third century um because iraq is actually one of the most ancient

01:40:28.620 civilized parts of the world um containing babylon itself like babylon the city was from

01:40:35.040 iraq and so they have this one group that's like they're trying to keep babylon alive essentially

01:40:41.220 um but and they they really haven't changed since then so they really believe in magic

01:40:47.920 and they really believe in curses um and one thing they love to do is to give once you are

01:40:54.280 baptized they give you a secret name and that secret name is is not even revealed to the outside

01:41:01.180 world obviously it's only revealed to like those within the religion and usually only those within

01:41:06.300 your family it's funny that this was one of the more accepted religions in the the region in iraq

01:41:14.260 as well because saddam hussein uh was rumored to have some of their books in his possession because

01:41:20.620 a lot of their books are just witchcraft and spells but he passed on from back to babylonian

01:41:28.280 times they worship babylonian spells and magic but even saddam hussein kept that around for this sort

01:41:34.720 of ritual protection that even if you were part of this new political vanguard you just wanted to

01:41:41.400 err on the cautious side and still have like a book of spell in case someone cursed you you didn't

01:41:46.500 know how to curse them back right this is a very lived reality right up until the 20th century 0.67

01:41:51.280 and that's a really like syncretic way to look at it too like wasn't he not like a devout muslim 0.61

01:41:56.220 yeah yeah exactly but that's the thing like there's so much it all swims in the same pool

01:42:02.400 this stuff and you start once you get in this stuff you start to see where they start to branch 0.67

01:42:06.620 off even with islam how you start to see different sex kind of branch off and how each of them even

01:42:13.120 there's some muslim branches that will still factor in a lot of like magic stuff regional stuff

01:42:19.660 you know that's that's passed down from generations and you're not supposed to but you do on a one-to-one

01:42:27.260 family level they still kind of do it um and branching off from that group or is another

01:42:34.380 group called the manichaeans this sounds the same but they're kind of different um i'm going to read

01:42:39.520 my notes here because i kind of summarized it in a way that i could that would make sense to me

01:42:44.300 later i said the manichaeans came about during this time as well um based after this guy named

01:42:49.980 mani m-a-n-i who was a mandan so mani was a mandan but then he branched off and started

01:42:56.620 something a bit different.

01:42:58.920 Among his many titles, he was called both an Apostle of Jesus Christ and the Buddha

01:43:03.720 of Light.

01:43:05.120 In these two titles, we see one of the defining features of Manichaeism.

01:43:09.300 It was a universalist and missionary religion that was carried across the trade routes bridging

01:43:14.400 Europe with Asia.

01:43:16.860 Starting in the Sasanian Empire, it spread westward toward Rome and east toward China, 0.53

01:43:22.680 to its cultural surroundings wherever it ended up including adapting terminology and ideas from

01:43:28.360 christianity zoroastrianism and buddhism they were more like straight-edge cynics who didn't have sex

01:43:36.120 or eat meat that was their thing they could they could never eat meat um and this guy manny who

01:43:41.960 was their prophet he thought even vegetarianism was too much um so they even eating vegetables

01:43:49.720 was like a very serious thing to them um like the elders for example within this religion

01:43:55.420 they would eat fruit but they had to eat fruit certainly because eating fruit was a sin

01:44:00.220 so they could only eat fruit if they had someone else commit the sin to pick fruit for them and

01:44:07.760 give them to them then they would absolve the picker of the sin of picking the fruit

01:44:12.820 then they would they so and the way they would cook it this is kind of interesting too

01:44:18.200 um the way they view this so their their worldview was an eternal battle between light and dark

01:44:26.320 and the claim in the book was that you actually didn't see a lot of religions

01:44:31.560 um up until that point have that worldview we're used to that now we're used to like

01:44:37.380 darkness versus the light eternal good versus eternal evil back then that was a new idea so

01:44:43.760 this idea of the the universe is the light versus the darkness was central to them but did not

01:44:49.380 really exist before them that's the play made in the book um and so when the elders would eat the

01:44:55.600 fruit um they viewed it as to eat it they had to liberate light from it so they had to like cook

01:45:02.660 it and prepare it a certain way to like remove what they thought was the light and then that

01:45:07.960 would make it safe to eat because you cannot consume anything that has light in it in a sense

01:45:13.780 um i just found that like an interesting and again they would do this right up into present

01:45:19.700 day they're still doing this now and he talks he goes to meet them in the book and one aspect

01:45:26.740 another thing that i'd like to lead with in this discussion that i found really interesting i kind

01:45:31.360 mentioned it already but these are not spiritual movements or religions that are interested in

01:45:38.600 proselytizing they're not interested in spreading their word in fact they don't want anyone to know

01:45:46.400 about them and one of the themes of the book is that it's very very hard to get in touch with

01:45:51.500 these people they do not want to talk to outsiders they want to survive they want their religions to

01:45:57.540 live on but they they actually don't want non-regional people involved and they and to

01:46:03.920 become a part of this religion would be very very difficult as a result there is one case later in

01:46:11.280 the book where he goes to visit one and then there's all these no arabs around and then like

01:46:16.620 one japanese woman who had gone to study the it's the classic it's the apocalypse now story

01:46:22.020 went there went there to study them then just became part of it and is now like the most into

01:46:27.480 it um so you do get some of that otherwise they they never want to expand and there is when he

01:46:34.960 was meeting with one of the elders in the book it was interesting like they're they need to leave

01:46:40.360 another big part of this book is a lot of these religions have to flee iraq they need to flee

01:46:47.280 these countries of afghanistan went up because of the war so just back to the main point we were

01:46:53.160 making at the start which is that these these religions survived how many countless wars

01:46:58.260 for thousands you know centuries or even millennia depending on how you look at it

01:47:03.780 and here they are they they only met their match in the mid-20th century by someone like saddam

01:47:10.480 hussein by a group like isis or a group like you know american interventionalist policy whatever 0.77

01:47:18.460 it is but it's like that was the thing that fucking broke them and so when this author is

01:47:22.820 meeting with some of the elders they're like look i mean i guess we need recruit we need new blood 0.55

01:47:27.940 because we're gonna die and so we need to interface with the world now we want people to know about us

01:47:34.200 because we want i like they're just getting into social media now right like and that's how they

01:47:40.260 need to adapt to survive but again it's just mind-blowing for me to consider that like somebody

01:47:46.820 is like 1500 years you didn't need to even feel threatened until until right now in this internet

01:47:53.500 cafe you met this fucking weird old white guy at you know what i mean anyway that's just kind

01:47:58.800 of a tangent i suppose but um so manichaeism back to that that's the the kind of offshoot 0.84

01:48:06.480 religion maybe it's by a name manny or mani i'd probably call him manny like a dick like

01:48:11.680 some fucking cuban um now this religion was spreading far and wide around like the second

01:48:18.440 or third century and it was a contender for christianity and they almost converted the

01:48:23.380 emperor of rome at the time and in fact uh saint augustine studied under manny uh when they were

01:48:30.360 and they claim uh the claim in the book is that western monasticism owes a debt to manny basically

01:48:37.600 so saint august in augustine saint augustine however you pronounce it was aware of this sort

01:48:44.060 of contender religion and the claim is that that kind of bled into christianity a bit that might

01:48:51.060 be a contentious topic but you know there it is um there was a lot more interplay between these

01:48:56.520 figures than people think it wasn't just christianity and islam you know the rise of

01:49:00.840 christianity has a lot of communication and interpolation with various sects like this so

01:49:07.540 you know don't be surprised um so here's another one called the yezidis now yezidis might sound

01:49:15.000 familiar to people you've probably heard yezidis um they're still going strong and they're still

01:49:19.780 in the news now the i didn't know this i'm just going to quote the book so yezidis don't get mad

01:49:24.700 at me but this seems to be at least in this part of the world what they do so the yezidis are

01:49:29.860 muslim but they revere a peacock angel so their main thing is a giant peacock deity the yezidis do

01:49:39.140 believe in god they believe in one god but that god is quite far away from humankind and the world 0.95

01:49:46.360 is controlled by seven holy beings that they call angels,

01:49:51.440 but they might not be quite what we imagine when we think of angels.

01:49:56.420 The founder of Yazidism, Shaykh Hadi, was buried here in the 12th century.

01:50:02.460 He was thought to be a human incarnation of the most important of the seven angels,

01:50:07.640 Talsi Melek, or the Peacock Angel.

01:50:12.340 Talsi Melek is the chief of the seven angels of the Yazidi religion, 0.73

01:50:15.600 each of which is an emanation of god of the divine but he is the demiurge the one who is

01:50:22.180 responsible for creation and who has active a very active role in the affairs of humankind

01:50:28.300 um and they can't wear any blue and they sacrifice bulls all the time and believe in reincarnation

01:50:37.640 so this is another one where it's like this is essentially like pagan shamanism with like a

01:50:44.460 coat of paint on it like there's so many of these religions that just worship animals way more than

01:50:50.560 i thought but they're but they're technically muslim like they're treated as much like i know

01:50:55.340 i i heard what was it during the iraq war or something that these women were oppressed or

01:51:00.300 something because of their religion and i could never figure that out because it seemed like they

01:51:04.920 were muslim but then it's like oh yeah but the isis or whoever is just yeah genociding them

01:51:10.900 he's like yeah because to a to a to like a sunni or whatever these people are pagans yeah exactly

01:51:16.900 and that's what the muslims say because they actually quote a lot of muslim scholars in this

01:51:21.400 throughout time where he says you're all just a bunch of fucking pagans and it makes it makes us

01:51:27.400 you know you hear a lot of like the sort of monotheistic christian thing occurring in a lot

01:51:33.060 of these uh is ayatollahs and whatnot but um another thing that's interesting about them is

01:51:38.420 they uh they're a mystery religion so they keep a list of 72 persecutions that they've experienced

01:51:46.140 over the centuries which i wrote that down because i think that's something maybe we should do 0.95

01:51:50.940 like just keeping a list that's kind of what jews do as well yeah keeping a list of all the bad 0.96

01:51:56.940 shit that's been done with to you over centuries and just keep keep that cycling and keep people

01:52:02.780 remembering it i think the absence of that kind of list is the reason that we have so many problems

01:52:07.360 like as a as a civilization is because we don't actually keep track like we've been on top or we

01:52:12.860 were on top for so long that we stopped caring about all the times that we lost because we

01:52:17.440 didn't lose that often but now that we've started losing we're not keeping track of all the losses

01:52:21.580 and it's like everything's still fine no yeah yeah be like them but keep a list and then keep

01:52:27.260 reciting it like 200 years ago here's what they did to us that's that seems to be a common they

01:52:32.740 kept these people going at least and i guess that's kind of the more interesting part because

01:52:38.480 uh aside from the thing i just said the 72 persecutions they they're a mystery religion

01:52:43.680 so that means they keep their scripture really really secret not only do they not show it to

01:52:49.100 outsiders they don't even really show it to each other it's all orally transmitted between the

01:52:54.040 people and most never even get to see the scriptures most yezidis never see it um and even

01:53:01.060 the author of the book never got to see it and there's been some translations over time so you

01:53:07.180 might get glimpses of it but a lot of this stuff it's like even the adherents don't even get to

01:53:12.160 see behind the curtain on it that's kind of an interesting thing um but now they're having to

01:53:17.840 change that now is the problem like in the book again the theme is that like we have to be less

01:53:23.220 of a mystery i guess so like for a thousand years they didn't let anyone see it it's like well now

01:53:27.320 i guess we put it online and see what happens which is either good or bad like i don't like

01:53:31.640 do you do we get to make a value judgment when it comes to survival and when survival is on the

01:53:39.040 table you don't get to be cute with tradition anymore i don't think frankly um yeah so the

01:53:46.060 yezidis uh were a lot like the mithraics and that they also worship the sun and fire uh but the

01:53:53.280 mithraic people they disappeared around the time when christianity appeared um and the mithraic

01:53:59.000 religion was a very secretive and mysterious as well which is why we don't have a lot of stuff on

01:54:04.140 it right now um there's a claim made in the book and i don't know if this is true but i i have no

01:54:11.380 doubt no reason to doubt it frankly but they had said that the uh mithraics were the people who

01:54:16.500 invented the handshake which is cool that sounds like some rock yeah a yes dudes rock b that sounds

01:54:24.800 like something i would say like if you're just gonna make up something cool yeah trying to sell

01:54:31.260 us on the mithray because like no you don't get it man these guys fucking invented the handshake 0.55

01:54:35.480 yeah they invented like the handshake and maybe someone's gonna be like no like we used to 0.79

01:54:39.040 do another like you know the idea of like when guys like clasp with each other's forearms

01:54:43.800 maybe they had that but this is like the handshake as we know it so they claim that they at least 0.99

01:54:49.620 they gave us that yeah so the yezidis were like that they kind of took in a lot of the mithraic

01:54:55.400 sun worship stuff which is what we know them for the yezidis they also believe that god is

01:55:01.440 unknowable and abstract but his lieutenant on earth is this thing called the melek taous m-e-l-e-k

01:55:09.880 t-a-o-o-s um and that's that peacock creature that's what it's called and so they would carry

01:55:17.420 around bronze statues of this like weird bird monster all the times too um and this is where 0.88

01:55:24.040 they get in trouble with the muslims the actual like islamic people because the muslims associate

01:55:28.980 that entity with uh azazel which is an angel cast into hell so they're basically saying that oh

01:55:35.340 you're worshiping the devil uh which on it you know there's a case we made that oh oh these

01:55:43.140 religions they just you know demonized other gods that were existing previously but at the same time

01:55:50.380 you know to them you're like oh you're you have these giant bronze figures of a bird monster 0.85

01:55:55.940 maybe to our eyes now that would seem weird i like hearing that it seemed weird back then too

01:56:02.360 yeah um another interesting one i'm gonna try there's a few in here that are less interesting

01:56:09.660 than the others um but there's a few like really big ones that i never heard before and they're

01:56:14.760 i think the heavy hitters so we talked before about zoroastrianism and i didn't know this and

01:56:22.600 this is me being historically illiterate of course but uh zoroastra was founded as far back as 1000

01:56:30.620 bc by a zarathustra so yeah this is like a early early early religion that was again

01:56:38.960 continuing up until this day which is staggering to think about it um their priests were called

01:56:44.000 the magi so where have we heard about the magi before um that's where they they a there's like

01:56:53.060 the magi that appear um in the um the christ story but there's they say that's also where

01:56:59.980 term magic comes from so that that's how if i background i don't know about that but let's go

01:57:06.700 with it the temple's museum houses the sacred zoroastrian book the ghata it teaches the religion's

01:57:16.540 followers to respect three key commandments good thoughts good words and good deeds there you go

01:57:28.380 That's it.

01:57:30.980 The customs came one by one. 0.91

01:57:35.540 It was the priests that introduced them and not the departing prophet Zarathustra." 0.65

01:57:43.660 This Zoroastrian fire temple in Yazd is a place of worship and increasingly a popular

01:57:49.460 tourist destination.

01:57:51.220 It's home to the Atash Beram, the fire of victory, which has burned for over 1,500 years. 0.59

01:57:57.700 so the zoroastrians again are obsessed with bulls i don't know what it is about bulls it

01:58:04.620 doesn't go into in the book maybe it's just bulls are cool but everyone thinks bulls are cool

01:58:10.460 obviously but they're obsessed with bulls um to the to the level that uh to be initiated

01:58:18.920 into the zoroastrian religion you need to be uh awake for nine days straight and being bathed in

01:58:26.660 bull urine and also drink bull urine um yeah so i don't know if there's any other benefits to that

01:58:36.440 i don't know if it's seen as a trial or a benefit but that's what they do as far as i know up until

01:58:42.300 this day that would be the big question that would really change it for me how they sold it

01:58:46.560 it's like you need to bathe in bull piss and if you can survive you're strong enough to be one of

01:58:52.680 us versus we're going to privilege you with the bull piss because we want you to accept us it's 0.99

01:58:59.360 like no thanks yeah uh check please so the zoroastrians they speak a lot of what's interesting 0.93

01:59:08.920 about these sex is that they not only do they carry forward the religion but also the language

01:59:13.840 too so you know you got the babylonian language being kept alive and the zoroastrians they're 0.78

01:59:19.400 keeping alive this iron age language called avistan a-v-a-s-t-a and avistan and you know 0.55

01:59:28.520 they still obsess over the stars and constellations because that's pretty much what most iranians did

01:59:33.880 before islam showed up um so within that religion there's there's two figures angra manu is the 0.79

01:59:40.840 force of evil and ahura mazda is the force of good and they're always engaged in war so this is where 0.93

01:59:48.720 you kind of get back to an evolution of the light versus dark good versus evil internal

01:59:52.800 budding of heads um and they also have good and evil animals so they they sort everything in life

02:00:00.060 into a war of good and evil so you know like in some it'd be familiar to christians to say like

02:00:06.700 yeah there's there's good and evil but there's a big gray area whereas they would actually sort

02:00:13.500 like dogs and cats into good and evil um rather than like all everything's made by god they're

02:00:20.960 like no there's some stuff that's made by the devil and that's half the stuff for example they

02:00:26.720 love dogs crazy about dogs which you wouldn't think of coming from the middle east you thought

02:00:31.340 everyone there hates dogs yeah they hate dogs they love dogs and give extremely elaborate dog

02:00:37.720 funerals cool i'm just gonna see if i can find the part here to maltreat a dog is prohibited

02:00:46.440 by the avesta and he's quoting someone here doesn't say who but when passing to the other

02:00:52.140 world the soul of a person who has hit a dog shall fly howling louder and more sorely grieved

02:00:59.120 than the sheep does in the lofty forest from the wolf ranges a man who kills a dog is required by

02:01:06.900 the avista to perform a list of penances 18 lines long one of the penances is to kill 10 000 cats

02:01:15.580 what so if you kill a dog you have to kill 10 000 cats damn um they would also make uh sacrifices 0.60

02:01:26.680 and a giant volcano as well um it says zoroastrian religion its popularity fell to islam similar to

02:01:35.900 how paganism fell to christianity um this is a claim made in the book it's also made by other

02:01:41.520 people from the region but we we discussed the same phenomena occurring in rome when christianity

02:01:50.560 was spreading so what he was saying was the zoroastrian popularity fell out for the same

02:01:56.080 reason paganism fell with christianity because it was a way out of the caste system so this this

02:02:02.220 new religion like islam a lot you know islam wouldn't get credit for this of course you know 0.98

02:02:07.560 we're no fans of islam on the show obviously but what islam wiped the slate clean on was the the 1.00

02:02:13.860 ancient uh organization of castes and slaves and masters i think it wiped all that away 0.98

02:02:20.060 which obviously appealed to the masses and then all you got to do just like with christianity

02:02:26.980 is you appeal these masses you convert a couple of aristocrats and it's over you're done now and

02:02:33.840 that's the system it seemed that every monotheistic religion like that but there's only like two

02:02:38.800 frankly but it's the exact same process that had them gain a foothold in these regions

02:02:44.420 um a lot of the persians resist resisted this though they resisted because it's all

02:02:51.260 zoroastrianism as integral to iranian society while islam is arab and you still see this to

02:02:57.460 this day so like to this day in iran you'll still see zoroastrianism because they think that's the

02:03:03.080 iranian religion and they and this is something that never really made the headlines with

02:03:09.040 westerners like we net you talk to people on our side they won't see islam as an arabic religion

02:03:14.660 but that's a common problem you see in this book as islam spreads most of the resistance is because

02:03:20.160 so many of these religions had that ethno-religious aspect to it that still exists to this day and 0.85

02:03:27.360 frankly that's where that's the tragedy of these religions is as they're trying they have to exist

02:03:32.660 in a globalized world now so they need they're becoming decoupled not only from their territory

02:03:38.780 which was so integral like how are you going to keep the flame of babylon alive if you aren't

02:03:43.760 living where babylon was how are you going to do that and then also you need to like bring in a

02:03:48.960 whole bunch of new people so you're bringing in like a bunch of a bunch of japanese people now

02:03:54.220 like how are you going to be a japanese yezidi that's never happened but that's a if that's how

02:03:59.820 you're going to survive survive at what cost you know what i mean how do you change when you're

02:04:05.260 being pressured from all sides even within your own country and your own country is the one forcing

02:04:10.400 you to flee you know it is it's a pretty big tragedy and i think that's really the the core

02:04:15.740 story of the book but i'm gonna still keep going with a couple of fun facts here and again this

02:04:22.000 will sound stupid but i didn't know just how much of assassin's creed the game franchise was based

02:04:32.100 on real life because i didn't know that that entire first game of assassin's creed was pretty

02:04:38.560 much line for line just pulled from history did you know that well i knew like it was kind of a

02:04:44.640 thing in the beginning that it was supposed to be all historical but so much of it was like

02:04:48.400 magic and aliens and it was also clearly kid gloving as long in terms of it you know it's

02:04:56.000 all about it's actually all about freedom and choice but but i meant more like the assassin's

02:05:03.800 guild like the fact oh really that that part yeah like there literally was in this uh area

02:05:09.900 they're a real life assassin's creed and their temple was built on the top of a mountain and

02:05:16.500 they're called assassins in in all of the texts from the time and they were like this feared

02:05:21.200 kind of rogue entity where people would go there learn to be assassins and there was all these

02:05:26.940 they were a real problem in the city centers because they literally did what they do in the

02:05:32.560 game like they would they were known for blending into the public and assassinating people in public

02:05:37.880 and like getting away and fleeing to the top of this fucking mountain on on horseback um

02:05:44.180 so yeah i didn't know that that's mentioned pretty frequently in this book it's also mentioned 0.57

02:05:48.640 in a couple other books i read from different parts of the world there's there's tell of this

02:05:54.120 assassin's guild that was a really big fucking deal now in history that they were eventually

02:05:59.280 destroyed and the game series uh presupposes that they weren't that they were just this

02:06:05.300 internationalist sort of what would they be they're almost like like anarchists that's kind

02:06:11.940 of what they're an anarchist ngo yeah um extremely diverse a lot of female leadership

02:06:19.120 yeah and they were at the time they were at war with the muslim rulers in these parts of the world

02:06:24.780 so like the missions you would go on that game were real things that happened um you know they

02:06:31.900 were uh these were the people who were denounced they were zoroastrians as well they were denounced

02:06:36.420 as fire worshippers that's what the muslims would call them like we said so many of them

02:06:40.900 worship the sun and worship fire they were called they were called fire worshipers and then the line

02:06:46.560 that was in the book from one of the zoroastrians was we don't worship fire we worship god through

02:06:52.640 fire i'm like okay still what's your god look like well fiery okay well um so just another

02:07:05.100 couple like eccentric ones there's this uh group called the drews d-r-u-z-e uh they 0.84

02:07:11.980 d-r-e-w-s the drews just a bunch of white guys with uh fucking flat caps and glasses 0.72

02:07:20.640 just a bunch of ska listening shitheads uh the the druids they they actually worshipped 0.96

02:07:30.500 mathematics itself um and they worship mathematics as a concept and also old philosophers like 0.96

02:07:38.440 pythagoras and plato like those are their messiahs which i i never i didn't think that

02:07:45.140 that was really kind of a deviation from the rest of the examples in the book

02:07:48.380 the druz religion began over 1000 years ago splitting off from islam the faith is monotheistic

02:07:57.960 and descends from the lineage of abraham believing the biblical prophet jethro to be their spiritual

02:08:03.140 founder the druz have a reputation for being secretive and seclusive little is known to the

02:08:09.180 public about the details of the druz faith they find morality and this is from the book this i'm

02:08:16.020 quote in the book they find morality in equations and are obsessed with like the pentagram and they

02:08:22.020 they do to the point where like two represents woman and five represents man and the number

02:08:28.300 four represents justice um and i when i read that in the book i kind of wrote down i wrote a note

02:08:35.860 just for you and i i underlined it and bolded it it's just as cargo cult for math thanks buddy

02:08:43.920 i like that yeah it reminded me of the nation of islam when like you give them something like 0.87

02:08:51.900 mathematics but they work through it in a really kind of dumb way so like for example you know the 0.97

02:08:57.380 nation of islam and the five percent nation um they they took the name allah a-l-l-a-h and it 0.85

02:09:05.700 that stands for arm leg leg arm head arm leg leg arm head okay that's God and 0.92

02:09:13.200 manifestation okay this is why the Muslims because organ originally because 0.56

02:09:20.280 they they infiltrated Islam Islam was the esoteric teaching Islam itself stands 0.95

02:09:25.380 by I sell Lord and master but these the oppressors infiltrated all forms of 0.60

02:09:30.780 information and they didn't flip islam back a whole different way

02:09:34.620 and i'm like well that doesn't make it like what do you think like first of all a lot that wasn't

02:09:41.900 english those are those are english yeah that's an english spelling of an arabic like what the

02:09:46.240 fuck does that mean it's like you know it's the body like you're just assigning like in the supreme

02:09:51.840 alphabet it's like number numbers mean other things it's like like bam margera inventing

02:09:57.360 his own language you know i mean like okay moving on the third degree in the supreme alphabets

02:10:04.500 is c or understand c because when you see things not with your physical eyes but with your mental

02:10:14.160 eye which is your third eye it gives you the ability to comprehend things with a crystal

02:10:22.020 crystal clear clarity so that's c c stands for c or understanding so like oh can you use these

02:10:33.200 equations to predict the future no then what good are they uh but at the same time the drews

02:10:40.660 i'm just gonna keep imagining a guy named drew the drews they're known as the quote the ignorant

02:10:46.760 ones um since and this i wrote this down because i had to read it a few times to make sure i was

02:10:52.100 understanding it they know essentially nothing about their religion so they they pretty much

02:10:58.120 live as they please and only like the higher up priest class knows anything about the actual

02:11:04.760 scripture or the religion itself which was kind of mind-blowing to me like so you have you're part

02:11:09.980 of a religion but it doesn't really make any demands of you other than you not understand

02:11:16.380 what math is apparently um but there are a few rules there's only a couple rules that everyone

02:11:22.140 needs to follow within this religion um so the most important one is apparently intermarriage

02:11:29.620 you can only marry other members of this this group and if you marry out as a man you are

02:11:37.420 castrated so that's the one thing you can't marry someone else that seems to be it other than you 0.60

02:11:44.160 get your dick cut off other than that you can do whatever the fuck you want i don't know how it

02:11:48.920 evolves to that point but there it is um here here's another one that i found that i wasn't 0.75

02:11:57.200 expecting to find in here but the samaritans um and a lot of people that'll sound familiar to them

02:12:03.620 the good samaritan what they were and if you're familiar with the bible and the stories from there

02:12:08.440 you know but there's still samaritans that's the other thing like a lot of people wouldn't think

02:12:13.700 that there's still these guys kicking around um and there they make some point early on when

02:12:19.480 discussing the samaritans it says samaritans and jews were always enemies despite being nearly

02:12:24.740 identical so the samaritans you know if you are familiar with the bible they will it will make

02:12:31.620 sense that they were basically jews um but we're very very clear delineation between the two now

02:12:38.820 what is that delineation well the big thing seems to be that the samaritans follow the torah and

02:12:45.700 only the torah any jewish thing made after the torah they reject so anything anything talmud

02:12:54.260 related anything that we would know as jewish they reject otherwise they seem to be essentially 0.53

02:13:01.200 jewish um but they're there's that like their number one enemies would be other jews if you

02:13:07.300 asked them um and the history there is in the 8th century bc uh israel and judah uh were actually

02:13:16.820 they're at war and they were conquered by the assyrians um the israelis were exiled north

02:13:24.040 but the judah people the the residents of judah they remained and became jews the rest of them

02:13:30.560 were what are known as the lost tribes of israel then you probably hear that probably if you know

02:13:35.560 i think about jews and the things they say that's the history of what happened there but the ones

02:13:40.780 who were made behind and what they believed was judah those would be the samaritans and they're

02:13:46.560 obsessed with um a mountain there called mount gerizim g-e-r-i-z-i-m gerizim um that's where

02:13:55.880 they believe all the famous biblical things happen including like um coming down from the mountain

02:14:03.500 with the stone tablets they think noah's ark was found up there too pretty much they believe the

02:14:09.680 entire bible is centralized on this one mountain and so they live around the mountain they're

02:14:15.460 obsessed with the mountain that everything they do is they try to have proximity to that mountain

02:14:20.180 um but obviously you know nowadays that's that's a question um and they've essentially

02:14:26.800 kept their traditions going for 3400 years um which is and they've kept their traditions for

02:14:35.820 such a long time at this time the israelis and the palestinians actually kind of like them

02:14:41.260 they're almost seen as like even older than the both of them which is kind of trippy to think 0.52

02:14:47.640 about there's there's still in like a fringe minority but they're still kicking around there

02:14:53.060 um now i'll just end with this one really really quickly because i know you need to go all right

02:14:57.500 but um there's this one group called this one area called kafiristan um so kafiristan was

02:15:08.680 there this group of people they were this group of like the hindu kush who were a people and they

02:15:14.540 were like a warrior mountain people um and they're they're a group that actually repelled alexander

02:15:20.080 the great all those those years ago and muslim invaders they were great at repelling any conquering

02:15:25.760 army um and they were called kafirs by the muslim invaders at the time um and they just said that

02:15:32.780 sounds cool we're just going to call ourselves kafirs now and they like adopted it as like a 0.94

02:15:36.720 term of pride so yeah this is fucking kafiristan what of it um and their thing is you know they do 0.85

02:15:44.040 what a lot of mountain people do so when you know people die they leave them out to be devoured by 0.81

02:15:49.920 the birds which might sound crazy to some people isn't that uncommon in places like tibet as well

02:15:56.060 they leave their corpses out they dance in hanging cages uh they here's a note here they auction off

02:16:03.700 their daughters based on size based on size yeah and they're basically just like shamans they

02:16:11.460 worship heroes of the area and the spirits of their ancestors and stuff um they're a warrior

02:16:18.600 caste system that again kind of persists to this day um and their entire caste system was based on

02:16:26.260 how many people you kill so if you're not just to be a warrior but the more people you kill the more

02:16:31.540 fancy clothes you get to wear um and the guy who's known as like the torag merak is like the leader

02:16:38.900 he's just the guy who's killed the most people um and then the kafiristan eventually became this

02:16:46.200 other group called the Kalasha. So that's what they would probably be known more as these days.

02:16:51.660 They're the leftovers of the Kafiristan after there was eventually a forced conversion 0.96

02:16:56.700 by the Muslims. They now live in Pakistan, but they're still keeping a lot of this stuff alive. 1.00

02:17:03.080 It says that they look very European. They're very white, Western-looking people, 0.95

02:17:09.160 and they talk like they're descendants of Alexander the Great as well.

02:17:13.660 What's interesting is that no one really knows where the Kalash people came from.

02:17:18.020 However, most scholars and historians understand them as descendants of Alexander the Great and his Macedonian army,

02:17:24.480 which conquered much of East Asia around 300 BC.

02:17:27.560 This theory was further legitimized in 2014, when a study of Kalash people's DNA showed evidence of European descent.

02:17:34.520 This would also explain their skin tone, which is uncharacteristically fair for native East Asians. 0.91

02:17:39.400 and they're obsessed with once you get into this magic stuff they get very obsessed with ideas of 0.99

02:17:45.040 purity that's one thing like when you get into a cult and magic uh blood purity and all sorts of

02:17:51.060 purity comes up a lot and they think like you know uh like the right hand refers to male and

02:17:57.300 mountains and purity the left hand means female and valley and impurity so doing things with 0.60

02:18:04.700 certain hands mean certain things which which kind of i think still persists in a lot of muslim

02:18:10.900 countries like the bottoms of your feet and what hands you do for things are of vital importance 0.99

02:18:16.180 um one thing that's interesting about them is they seem to think adultery is hilarious

02:18:21.160 so in muslim culture pretty much any culture if a woman cheats on her husband you know sometimes

02:18:29.080 they're killed sometimes there's severe punishments but he makes a note in the book to say like if a

02:18:35.440 woman is caught cheating on her husband what happens is the entire village if they get caught

02:18:40.980 the entire village will like gather around them and laugh at them and like make a big speck like

02:18:46.420 ah you got caught cheating and like the woman's like covering face like oh no i'm so embarrassed

02:18:51.260 and then and then i think like the guy who would be committing the adultery as well would have to

02:18:57.640 pay the husband of some some kind of some some kind of fee but that was about it and i think

02:19:04.400 they just saw it as like a like a whoopsie daisy like you put your pants on backwards or something

02:19:09.380 oh man anyway that that's i know we got going that that pretty much summarizes all the ones

02:19:17.080 i wanted to talk about some of the factoids i was thought were pertinent to flesh them out a little

02:19:23.000 bit to show their context not only with uh muslims in the region but also the land and showing i

02:19:30.000 guess what's happening to them now and how that all intersects with the politics of the region

02:19:35.020 like a lot of these people would blame especially the ones in iraq they blame saddam hussein and his

02:19:41.740 campaign against them and it seems that as power begins to centralize and whatever government

02:19:48.580 exist in these regions the first thing they do is try and round up these these fringe religions

02:19:54.260 and spiritualities which again might have been there for like 3400 years sometimes i think that's

02:20:00.140 a real shame but also i watch it with great interest to see how these you know how they

02:20:08.540 evolve in the current day and i think that's something that you get with a lot of the pagans

02:20:12.200 in our scene as well and a lot of people who are trying to figure out how to even christianity

02:20:18.840 christianity is trying to do this too like how do we exist in a very unique globalized world

02:20:25.440 that seems to have these centralizing power structures that only seem to exist to smash

02:20:31.480 things that exist on the fringe because it's not just they're not just doing this to political

02:20:35.980 people or people who hold you know politically incorrect opinions they're doing it to these

02:20:40.360 again ancient religions you see it in the middle east you see it in china as well you see it all

02:20:45.860 over the world so this is just one case but anyway what did you think of all that yeah that's that's

02:20:51.600 interesting it's a bit of a departure from what we usually do but i genuinely like aside from being

02:20:56.520 a horrible racist i actually find ancient cultures to be interesting and i don't i don't know it's

02:21:03.800 it's it's interesting also to see how they could all interplay with each other and i think back to

02:21:08.320 the piece you're talking about earlier on that there were historically umpires where these things

02:21:13.660 actually worked out even if you maybe had one dominant faith there could be some kind of um

02:21:21.060 some kind of a compromise not a compromise but like it doesn't have to be you know constant

02:21:26.520 infighting at each other's throats so um there's something something that would be worth modeling

02:21:31.620 there yeah like we said earlier in the show that at the start of this it's interesting to think

02:21:37.140 that even back then even these conflicting religions even if one was dominant it permitted

02:21:42.120 the others to survive because it didn't see them as a threat or they just wanted resources they

02:21:48.580 wanted control but how they defined control wasn't controlling what's in your mind or what's in your

02:21:56.560 heart and in the era that we find ourselves living in this historical period control extends inside

02:22:05.180 of the individual control when we talk about control we're talking it's almost like in the

02:22:10.760 modern era when you discuss control it's implied that you mean mind control as well and soul

02:22:16.000 control whereas all throughout history that was never even on the table a because they probably

02:22:21.240 couldn't but b because they couldn't it would never have occurred to them to see the individual's

02:22:28.360 mind and soul as real estate they could occupy like it made that changed over time i guess anyway

02:22:34.620 anyway this is another good thank you for taking the time

02:22:37.660 I know we went a bit long this time too

02:22:39.160 yeah no worries man

02:22:39.840 alright have a good evening I'll talk to you soon

02:22:42.020 you too see you

02:22:43.100 alright bye

02:22:43.580 hey baby I hear the blues are calling

02:22:48.940 top salads and scrambled eggs

02:22:51.740 and maybe I seem a bit confused

02:22:56.240 yeah maybe

02:22:57.380 but I got you Peg

02:22:58.740 we are here

02:23:02.340 with our first recurring guest zolt zoltanis uh you were on here uh a while ago you're one of our

02:23:10.500 first ones i think early early on yeah talk about corporatism back in the day yeah yeah and you're

02:23:16.060 kind of a fountain of knowledge on you know deep you know far-right uh fascist and also anarchist

02:23:23.200 and also some stuff we'll get into later in this episode um but i it was a very very popular

02:23:28.620 appearance a lot of people liked it we've like i said at the time we've known each other for a

02:23:32.440 long long time uh the years on telegram start to blend together but i think have we known each

02:23:39.200 other for years by this point i think it's like four years maybe five jesus christ being this is

02:23:46.000 the longest platform i've ever been on social media wise you know what i mean like i've known

02:23:49.960 i've known you for four years i've known you more than some other friends i have so uh that's good

02:23:55.320 It's good to have people like you around because you're also, like I said, a fountain of knowledge on sort of the scene itself.

02:24:05.520 And your story has been so fascinating.

02:24:09.140 And we're going to talk a lot about that today, especially some exciting stuff about your new political party and things like that.

02:24:15.200 But before we get to that, I was wondering if you would be able to discuss a recent Substack that was published on your Substack, the Fascio Substack.

02:24:28.660 And I believe that is F-A-S-C-I-O.substack.com.

02:24:31.880 Everyone go check that out.

02:24:33.460 It's Zoltanus and a bunch of other writers publishing articles.

02:24:37.200 Yeah, sometimes I republish actual academics too,

02:24:40.660 or I'll reach out to people with some actual credentials

02:24:43.420 and republish their articles on there.

02:24:45.820 Yeah, it's really good stuff.

02:24:47.640 And the specific one I'm thinking of is the one you and a couple other fellas

02:24:53.260 had written about the Kalergi plan.

02:24:54.940 And the reason I say this is I think it's going to dovetail very well

02:24:57.980 into the remainder of the discussion we're going to have.

02:25:01.540 But in essence, I'm going to explain to the folks at home who might not know what the Calergi plan is.

02:25:09.480 I'm going to say what the general idea of it might be, and then you tell me if I'm wrong.

02:25:16.380 So like your average right-wing person, dissident person, when they hear about the Calergi plan,

02:25:23.300 what they will think of is it's a plan to essentially create an entire world of sort of 0.85

02:25:31.820 mixed race vaguely mocha color people uh destroy race destroy ethnicity everyone's the same 0.96

02:25:38.500 everything doing this through uh migration plans and whatnot with a bunch of jews running it um 0.98

02:25:45.840 and they think this is being executed by the un now is that what the general idea is and then 0.67

02:25:52.440 if so you have a correction on that is that correct yeah your typical like dissident right

02:25:59.300 like white nationalist type kind of typically thinks of the clergy plan is like the judeo

02:26:04.780 bolshevik mongoloid horde sweeping across europe like raping all the white people and trying to 0.62

02:26:10.680 turn them like yellow brown and black essentially it's a it's kind of hysterical kind of funny too 0.99

02:26:17.220 at the level of hysteria that it's at but if you actually read into clergy it's very very very

02:26:23.680 very different from what he was actually talking about because the quotations they actually use

02:26:30.620 are selectively picked to make it framed that way but if you actually read them in the full

02:26:37.800 context in which it's written in the book uh practical idealism the clergy plan oh wait oh

02:26:44.280 that's the wrong book uh yeah it's practical idealism by clergy i was about to name off the

02:26:51.900 book that started the entire conspiracy theory sorry about that but yeah you could name whatever

02:26:57.040 book you want just to give people the right context yeah so the entire conspiracy theory

02:27:03.940 actually started with this woman called demetria i cannot pronounce her last name because it is like

02:27:10.840 a different language but she's essentially like a white nationalist q and r and like uh maga p

02:27:17.460 maga supporter uh and her book's called practical idealism the clergy plan to destroy european

02:27:23.880 peoples that's where the entire conspiracy theory really originates from and it was propagated

02:27:32.020 or like really amplified by red eye ice radio when they interviewed her back in the day and

02:27:37.940 That's where it really started to take off.

02:27:40.960 But the two quotations that they use for this come from his book, Practical Idealism.

02:27:49.020 And if you read it, he talks about how the man of the future will be of mixed races and that today races will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing space, time and prejudice. 0.60

02:28:00.700 The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. 0.90

02:28:10.960 Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, redefined and educated this people into a future-leadered nation through this artificial selection process. 0.96

02:28:20.960 And that quote goes on to talk about how the Jews basically took over and emancipated themselves and kind of merged into the European hierarchy. 0.86

02:28:29.200 now the full context and the one he's talking about ethnic replacement and these like foreigners 0.55

02:28:36.880 coming in and then changing the european stock into a uh mixed like eurasian type of like negroid

02:28:46.540 people uh the the entire section in which he's talking about that he's actually talking about

02:28:55.100 it in a very pessimistic tone. He's essentially predicting this is what will happen because of

02:29:00.660 the course of globalization and the direction that political liberalism was going. And his

02:29:07.040 entire idea of like a united European super state through the EU, or at least what eventually became 0.89

02:29:13.080 the EU, is it was supposed to prevent this from happening because it would consolidate the white 0.98

02:29:21.200 european groups into a single cohesive block that way they can resist the growing tide of the colored 0.65

02:29:29.580 peoples it kind of echoes mussolini's like essay is the white race dying which i think was published 0.94

02:29:36.240 in 1933 or 34 which kind of makes the same predictions and if you would probably take a

02:29:42.900 quote out of there you could probably frame it out of context in the same way that they do with

02:29:47.560 Kalergi. Now, the other quote talking about the Jews is, this is actually a fair criticism of

02:29:54.740 Kalergi. He's a Philo-Semite, which means he talks about Jews very favorably, which is very 0.90

02:30:04.460 common with Philo-Semites. But the thing is, though, with somebody who's a Philo-Semite like 0.91

02:30:09.480 himself, you have other ones like Werner Sombart, who wrote the book The Jews in Modern Capitalism.

02:30:14.160 their fellow semitism in today's context is actually interpreted as a form of anti-semitism

02:30:20.700 because it's so cartoonishly sucking up to them if that makes sense and yeah but they basically

02:30:28.020 say kalergi is jewish himself that is not true but he he was half austrian and half japanese

02:30:35.500 so he was kind of like an aristocrat who was kind of a bastard who wanted to prevent other people

02:30:42.380 from becoming racial bastards and he also had a lot of affinity with italian fascism austrian

02:30:48.500 fascism was friends with julius avola and then he did have two jewish wives out of his three

02:30:54.360 wives that he had in his lifetime if you wanted to criticize him it would be that he had

02:30:59.920 jewish wives he was a fellow semite those are like fair criticisms of kalergi or how his ideology

02:31:06.320 was effectively co-opted by the united states after world war ii but what's interesting is a

02:31:12.580 lot of um white nationalists especially of the more academic stripe sometimes come off as a bit

02:31:19.840 philo-semitic in the sense that they say i admire what the jews have accomplished with israel and

02:31:26.160 things like that i want that for us think of richard spencer he would do that a lot uh but

02:31:30.740 i i could think of a philo-semite that a lot of people actually respect and listen to in like

02:31:35.980 white nationalist politics jared taylor for example he considers jews white he very much

02:31:42.280 likes jews and he is also a zionist in the same way that he wants like a white america so i mean

02:31:50.420 it's not really a contradiction of his political views but if you're very hyper focused on the jq

02:31:56.060 it would be an issue which i do think philo-semitism is an issue which uh that is a fair

02:32:02.500 criticism people can have of Kalergi, but I don't really think they focus on that. Instead,

02:32:07.120 they strawman him as being Jewish himself, which he was not, which is not a fair criticism.

02:32:14.020 Well, what's interesting is that he sounds like what you might find in our sort of milieu

02:32:18.880 with the black-pilled guy. What's interesting is that if you look at the Kalergi plan, 0.86

02:32:25.780 even if you look it up on Wikipedia, you'll see it paired up with the camp of the saints and stuff.

02:32:31.000 Almost, it's listed as a conspiracy theory, but, you know, like they're saying us being concerned about the Kalergi plan is a conspiracy theory.

02:32:42.480 However, the plan, quote unquote, plan that he was putting forward was almost like, in a sense, the Camp of the Saints book by saying, I'm going to show you a world, a dystopian world where everything goes wrong.

02:32:54.960 And then that somehow gets turned around that he was advocating for it, which makes me wonder in the future, once they look back upon all the communiques that we have, how many people are going to think we were advocating for all the shit that we parody because that's all we do on this side.

02:33:10.280 Yeah, his book Practical Idealism, it covers his entire worldview, really, but the entire idea of demographics and why we should have a united European state, the reason why he was framing it that way is because that dystopian was his justification for the unification of Europe in the first place.

02:33:34.640 uh his solution to preserve europe and europeans was that a european union should be formed it

02:33:43.900 should be modeled after italian fascism and it seems like a lot of his words and ideas were

02:33:51.100 purposely like misconstructed and twisted to frame things to look bad on his part which is

02:33:59.160 very disingenuous and if you look at the first world war and even the second world war kalergi

02:34:05.800 was against both of the world wars because he didn't like the idea of europeans killing each

02:34:11.120 other so he was kind of the embodiment of this entire no more brothers war types of people

02:34:18.080 and he also thought that a united europe was also the only way to get rid of american and

02:34:28.520 soviet influence he actually considered the greatest threat to european civilization

02:34:34.380 besides the invasion from colored like non-european racial groups for him the greatest 0.96

02:34:42.540 threat was the soviet union from the east and he wanted to avoid the world wars because it would 0.91

02:34:51.560 kill off the best of the europeans and it would also leave them open to subjugation

02:34:59.280 by the soviet union and uh that's part of the reason why he came up with his entire blueprint

02:35:08.860 and part of the entire justification for his idea the eu is that it was built off of the

02:35:16.620 like the first german reich's idea of middle europa that was kind of like what gave him the

02:35:23.060 idea to justify or at least create this in the first place if you don't mind me asking uh middle

02:35:30.560 europa for those of you myself as well those of us who aren't familiar with that what would middle

02:35:35.640 europa be yeah middle europa was effectively germany's idea of a post world war one world

02:35:43.400 order which essentially means that germany would have had control over the entire like central

02:35:50.600 european continent so like france like mostly all of eastern europe uh italy like the the latin

02:35:58.880 countries the nordic countries in the north would all be tied to germany germany economically

02:36:04.580 not like in terms of governing but they would be puppeted or at least subject to them in terms of

02:36:10.180 their economic connections and the entire point of middle europa would be to one isolate the british

02:36:19.060 out of europe to break their stranglehold on europe that would also alienate american influence

02:36:27.540 from europe preventing them from changing what europe is politically and ethnically then that

02:36:35.320 would also mean they could have a cohesive block that would be able to resist foreign invasion

02:36:42.400 from the east so it would be a good way to deter the soviet union and because you'd have all these

02:36:48.640 europeans here it would solve demographic issues including land issues for and resource issues 0.75

02:36:56.520 which means they wouldn't have to interact with colored peoples which means they could focus on 0.56

02:37:02.180 themselves and focus on demographic, fixing their demographics and things like that.

02:37:09.080 You know, it's interesting, and I know we don't want to spend too, too long on this, but hearing

02:37:14.360 this outline of Kalergi's plan, I found a lot of parallels, at least based on what I've heard with

02:37:21.740 Francis Parker Yockey and his idea of a European imperial. Now, is that a fair comparison, do you

02:37:28.540 think i don't know how familiar you are with him but yeah it's a pretty fair comparison although

02:37:33.480 like there is some substantial differences like uh yaki was more bureaucratic and how he would

02:37:40.460 approach the idea of united europe whereas like clergy wanted a federal system that was modeled

02:37:49.100 so it would have the italian fascist economic model but it would have like a actual democracy

02:37:55.240 or republic on top of it with like autonomous semi-autonomous nation states below it kind of

02:38:01.760 similar to how the united states functions i guess you could say in terms of its government

02:38:05.300 and then besides that like italian model with like the almost quasi united states governing

02:38:13.560 structure kind of intertwining with that he also wanted to have a strong influence of a aristocracy

02:38:20.640 inside of it and that's one of the reasons why he had strong connections of julius avola who

02:38:25.620 actually respected him as like a model figure of the aristocratic spirit which is kind of funny

02:38:32.240 and i also want to point out that uh clergy's ideas to how a united european state should

02:38:42.540 function had kind of like three characteristics that was idealism heroic ethics and aristocratic

02:38:50.380 politics those are kind of like the three main values and like his idea of heroic

02:38:57.740 like uh ethics kind of comes from Nietzsche and the idealistic worldview is something that he

02:39:05.820 pulls from kind of like Kant, Fichte, and Hegel and then his aristocratic politics comes from

02:39:10.940 his association as like obviously he's an aristocrat and also his connections to various

02:39:16.220 other traditionalist thinkers like julius avola reneguin on then uh i guess like other people he

02:39:23.020 could mention that he was like heavily influenced by were like oswald spangler schopenhauer

02:39:27.040 there's probably a few like guiseppe mazzini there's a couple others i just can't remember

02:39:32.680 who they are oh i've never heard of guiseppe mazzini before i know all these those other guys

02:39:38.000 mazzini was the dude responsible for italian unification like create he's the reason why

02:39:44.440 italy exists oh cool oh i see giuseppe mazzini now i'm gonna act like i knew him the whole time

02:39:50.060 oh mazzini yeah um no but but that's that's very interesting because i didn't i never heard a lot

02:39:58.020 of this described like that and just for people um to know this is one of the aspects about

02:40:03.380 zoltanus that i admire quite a bit is that he's got a good eye and a good mind for the details

02:40:08.700 and you're very very uh very accurate and you're very a lot of in-depth knowledge on the history

02:40:14.500 of not only fascism but the historical background to a lot of the how these things emerge i remember

02:40:20.020 yeah i just act very uh unoptical and very autistic outside of the like theory cell posting

02:40:26.860 well that's like you're like the fascist is that when i get you on mic you sound very reasonable

02:40:32.720 but then i look at a post and it's like i guess white people are gonna die 0.69

02:40:36.880 i don't yeah i know you don't think that fascist you silly goose 0.56

02:40:44.140 yeah i mean he literally when i talk with him in private he's like i just do with the troll

02:40:49.720 people and it works it's so funny i know more white guys who want to destroy britain

02:40:56.560 so let's start with that i there is some more things i want to talk about from clergy that

02:41:02.380 could build into this though yes yes please do yeah yeah so if we're talking about his views too

02:41:08.980 of european unity it was distinctly anti-communist uh he also endorsed european colonialism

02:41:18.200 not because he wanted the european super state to do it but because historically speaking he

02:41:24.720 considered europeans to be superior and them dominating lesser races was the natural outcome

02:41:32.580 of things and he also believed that japan should dominate china which are things that are talked

02:41:39.180 about in the pan-european manifesto he wrote and uh his geopolitical views are also very similar

02:41:46.440 to half lord mckinder and carl house offer which are actually the people who are responsible for

02:41:53.880 nato doctrine and also the cold war which is kind of funny so a lot of his like anti russo

02:42:01.340 posting is actually kind of like the entire us's like doctrine with uh russia nowadays which is

02:42:08.780 kind of funny then something else that should also be pointed out about him is that uh he also

02:42:17.500 considered Mussolini the modern Caesar and even wrote a letter praising him and what where he

02:42:25.720 kind of falls off for me is that he actually hated Hitler a lot and he actually collaborated

02:42:31.940 with the Austrian fascists to try and undermine Hitler and when that failed uh around this time 0.70

02:42:40.620 Hitler was also calling him a bat like a bastard because he's like a mixed race like a child who

02:42:46.220 doesn't have a mother and he's calling him like a bastard essentially Hitler did not like him

02:42:52.000 so what was his deal with Hitler do do we know that what the reason yeah his issues with Hitler

02:42:58.240 is that one he wasn't aristocratic he was too proletarian and vulgar and he also did not like 0.92

02:43:05.480 his fanatical anti-semitism because like I said Kalergi was a fellow Semite so he he wanted to 0.95

02:43:11.680 suck some jewish dick not uh not put them in camps and take all their like assets like it

02:43:17.720 like hitler and then uh yeah hitler at the i mean if we're talking about like 1940 to like 45 0.96

02:43:28.220 german national socialism it became more pan-european orientation but prior to 1940

02:43:34.620 uh the germans were very very very focused on german superiority which were things that

02:43:41.960 kalergi did not like i guess you could say and well after his entire collaboration of austrian

02:43:49.080 fascists failed and then hitler started spurging about him being a bastard and how he's like

02:43:54.060 subversive uh kalergi ended up aligning with the united states and also winston churchill

02:43:59.500 and that's why he had that's why he had such a prominent role after world war ii because they

02:44:05.700 liked his idea because like once you had uh the warsaw pact and then you had like the west which

02:44:13.900 was occupied by the united states and britain they didn't really have a way to consolidate a

02:44:20.000 coherent uh way to deter them which is why kalergi came out as more prominent because he provided a

02:44:28.140 governmental apparatus and also a military a military apparatus that they could base their

02:44:34.240 entire approach and part of his influence besides the mckinder guy who influenced uh our entire like

02:44:41.920 cold war approach you could also argue that kalergi is one of the main reasons that we also

02:44:46.260 had a cold war at the soviet union in the first place and that's the reason why he becomes way

02:44:51.880 more prominent after uh world war ii and so what was his uh era of influence so obviously during

02:45:01.240 world war ii and and into the cold war and how long was he active for it you know i think he

02:45:07.800 was active all the way up until like the 1960s uh he was he was even associating loosely with

02:45:14.520 like mosley who was doing the europe a nation uh crap and then he also networked very loosely with

02:45:24.220 yaki while at the same time he was very deeply entrenched with uh nato and like the e what would

02:45:31.280 become the eu in the united states uh i mean like his early politics you could definitely describe

02:45:38.560 him as a fascist but his like later politics he kind of takes like almost a hegemonic quasi

02:45:46.640 fascist type of look but he but he also appears very liberal and if you actually go through the

02:45:52.900 article this is actually why i make the claim that modern clergy rights are actually you know

02:46:01.100 like those type of white nationalists you see they go around saying that like nato is aryan

02:46:05.440 and they like uh zelinski they call him apollonian man or some shit i was about to make the connection

02:46:12.280 i was gonna do a little riff where i was like you know like being a pro nato you know aristocratic 0.54

02:46:19.960 fascist he would find out he would find a comfortable audience in the modern day yeah

02:46:25.780 like richard spencer like or your random azov supporter they're all clergyites they're not

02:46:31.600 really hitlerites they're clergyites if you actually read clergy and then understand them

02:46:38.200 they're clergyites well it's just kind of funny hearing your outline was so interesting he has

02:46:43.180 got a very fascinating ideological career path that i suppose what's so interesting to me is that

02:46:50.480 it's not completely unique to him that there are people like we have a couple of names we

02:46:56.460 just said, or a couple of groups, they're following essentially the same path.

02:47:01.380 Well, I could think of actually somebody who's our president who has a very similar outlook.

02:47:06.560 Joe Biden, hegemonic, aristocratic, oligarchic type liberal who has very racist or anti-minority

02:47:17.020 sentiments, but at the same time, he's willing to use liberal or woke language to establish a

02:47:23.680 hegemonic uh rule of world order for the american empire which is kind of like where we get into

02:47:30.260 because like after world war ii when he takes more of an influence he becomes more liberal

02:47:36.680 more hegemonic and he still has like fascistic tendencies in the sense that he's like very uh

02:47:43.700 and he's like very anti russo and he's very pan nationalistic in terms of european unity

02:47:50.780 and then like he obviously wants them to take kind of like a united states of europe direction

02:47:55.860 which is something the eu has been pushing for three years you look at somebody like spent

02:48:00.820 richard spencer he kind of wants to centralize the european union more he kind of wants a more

02:48:07.100 bifurcated system where the eu will eventually establish its own independence from the west

02:48:13.600 and also the east which is what kalergi wanted but he also believes that liberalism at the moment

02:48:18.640 is the perfect hegemonic tool to establish a world order that will allow it to distinguish itself

02:48:25.800 and a lot of the policies and rhetoric of the hegemonic rule also allows you to benefit white 0.75

02:48:33.720 people while also oppressing minorities essentially which which kind of explains the whole like

02:48:38.640 nation building war hawkish invading like brown people's countries and blowing them all up and

02:48:44.500 stuff and destabilizing everything this is probably the best advertisement for dark brandon that i've 0.93

02:48:50.060 ever heard yeah i mean that's basically what modern kalurgiites are really it's kind of like

02:48:56.640 your richard spencers your azov supporters your uh anybody you can find kind of like but it was

02:49:02.380 interesting the way you had described a kalurgi saw hitler as too unaristocratic which is actually

02:49:09.100 something i'd heard before um i'd heard a few people remark that spencer has said that too

02:49:14.100 before or yeah i wasn't referring to him specifically but that i it and it is accurate

02:49:19.220 um but where we would diverge me and these people is that i think that's a remarkable thing and it

02:49:24.920 is out of the ordinary to have this he was called middle class or people call hitler middle class

02:49:29.940 i'm like yeah but how often does that happen i mean i have my own issues with clergy but like

02:49:37.400 my issues obviously is it a fellow semite too i don't like liberalism and i don't like the idea

02:49:43.020 of having a hegemonic world order that's like directed by one country i i agree with

02:49:48.100 civilizational states and having them have independence and they have their own spheres

02:49:53.080 of influence but kalergi wants to take this idea of a united europe and kind of create a hegemonic

02:49:59.760 world order around it which today is the united states really it's not also he was like very very

02:50:06.780 very anti-russian he didn't really care if they were communists in charge of russia or if it was

02:50:12.880 a czar or if it was a liberal democracy he just hated russians like he literally thought they

02:50:18.520 were just like a mongol horde even though they're not what i it leads me to ask would kalurgi be

02:50:25.640 pleased or accepting of the current status quo in the world oh dude i think he would have like a 0.99

02:50:31.080 full heart on he'd be coming like crazy to this shit like i'm not even kidding like like dude

02:50:36.340 would be balling out like i'm not even kidding yeah it seems like it's the kalergi plan in action 0.72

02:50:44.020 um it's funny how he starts off with this very this you know heed my warning you will all become

02:50:50.300 this you know the dissident right you know horror story and then over time i guess it's age i guess

02:50:56.940 it's something but he almost does a complete 180 on that yeah the funny thing is my uh kalergi

02:51:03.640 article after i put it out it was actually it was actually getting shared by people that are

02:51:08.340 very pro ukraine and very pro uh like nato and they were saying man this article is based at

02:51:14.900 clergy's based that's what they were saying and i'm like no no no it is not based that's a risky

02:51:23.780 run when you have a dispassionate appraisal of history i was gonna say so you got some people

02:51:29.320 who like it have you gotten a lot of pushback on that from any other direction

02:51:32.760 i mean the only pushback i got is that oh man you plagiarized another dude but like

02:51:39.920 yeah like there's stuff i copied and pasted out of another article on it but the reason i did it

02:51:46.300 is because i got permission from the dude like there's like three different authors on it besides

02:51:51.100 me arjuna and this uh other guy saint uh he's an admin in the facifist chat so literally all i did

02:51:59.700 i wrote this article is i wrote some of my own stuff in there and you know like how facifist

02:52:05.520 has like threads and they're kind of like connected together like part one part two part three part

02:52:09.360 four yeah yeah yeah i went through all the some of my articles are actually me just copying those

02:52:15.140 threads and then turning them into an article and then just like slightly reformatting them

02:52:19.540 and sometimes adding in more information and also doing a spell check that's basically how i wrote

02:52:24.700 the article and uh i got i got it some oversight from arjuna making sure i didn't miss anything

02:52:33.260 and that's how we published the article and then i had people like oh no you plagiarized and i was

02:52:38.240 like no i literally just took it from our thread channel and then i had to point out the guy who

02:52:44.640 wrote it originally was an admin in the chat and i had permission also i've seen way worse on

02:52:51.800 substack so let's you know establish that i've seen a lot of substacks that are literally just 0.76

02:52:58.320 screenshots from twitter so the fact that you what the fuck yeah it's it's like there's people

02:53:04.800 on substack writing real shit which is good and i'm an admirer of yours but uh there's an ocean 0.82

02:53:11.600 of trash on substack so i think you're okay yeah i mean like sometimes i see my articles getting 0.56

02:53:19.300 shared around by like liberals or like anarchists or even like non-english speakers they're like

02:53:26.200 damn this blog is like it's the it's the bee's knees it makes me feel makes me feel like nice

02:53:33.600 inside then i look in the i look in like anglosphere like white nationalist politics it's 0.81

02:53:39.480 like half praise and half people bitching about it it's really like black and white well it's

02:53:45.100 interesting because um our show is very similar um where we've got a pretty wide and you know

02:53:51.260 not to use this word but diverse audience um and i i think that's a good thing i think that's

02:53:57.420 something that ought to be pursued because usually that means it's a novel idea um and it doesn't fit

02:54:03.920 neatly into any of the preconceptual ideological buckets so i think that's good is what i'm trying

02:54:09.920 say it's what i'm getting to is a compliment so there you go all right and uh what was the whole

02:54:18.700 like uh other question you wanted to ask me before i went back oh well what i was going to

02:54:24.320 lead into uh with uh your knowledge of history and your tendency to look at history in a very

02:54:32.360 nuanced way and sort of draw connections to other historical things not boilerplate you know

02:54:38.180 baby's first ideology talks I wanted to say that sort of outlook of the world I think helped guide

02:54:45.920 you into your new political project and I wanted to spend some time discussing that because like

02:54:52.720 I said at the start there's been a lot of developments with you since we last spoke

02:54:56.200 and yeah I didn't want to lead with this too I didn't want to tease it so I'm just going to say

02:55:00.600 right now for people who don't know you have started what we call the political party

02:55:06.140 uh so it really it's more of a like united it's more of an advocacy group at the moment than a

02:55:16.180 political party so it functions as like a non-profit at the moment and the reason why it's

02:55:22.380 not registered as an actual political party yet is because that's like something you do when you

02:55:29.280 get more of a base and more of like a networking uh association but yeah that's like the main goal

02:55:35.940 and at the moment just to kind of doing like a networking community organizing then uh also one

02:55:42.640 of the big things about the group is trying to build a united front similar to the national

02:55:46.600 salvation front from russia during the 1990s we're trying to transition i mean transcend

02:55:52.440 the red and brown sectarianism like communist and fascist sectarianism we're trying to unite

02:55:59.320 everybody and what they agree upon to tear down the system that we currently are oppressed by

02:56:06.340 and then after that we can go back to fighting each other that's kind of like what we have come

02:56:11.580 to realize that that's a more delightful way of expressing it than i was ready for and i've just

02:56:18.600 had some uh questions off in the past people might have so um and and we'll get to uh something that

02:56:26.040 you went to recently which was a protest which i saw some videos of and i think you were even

02:56:29.680 mentioned in various presses at the oh yeah we were mentioned by antifa mainstream press and

02:56:36.340 there was also a lot of like uh more pro-ukrainian white nationalists that were like having soy rages

02:56:43.700 over it so like all three of them are having soy rages well just to start um so and i know you

02:56:50.260 this has probably been foisted upon you at one point but the word nazbol is a word that i'm sure

02:56:57.260 you're familiar with um for the longest time it was a word that you would see online everyone was

02:57:02.780 accusing each other of being it but no one wanted to admit to being it nazbol for people who don't

02:57:07.820 know uh means national bolshevik and uh when i'd seen in the past it was kind of a marriage of

02:57:16.280 national socialist you know right-wing stuff with some people call them strasserites in a way but

02:57:21.960 it's kind of bridging the gap between fascists and communists now would that if if would you say

02:57:28.380 that's adjacent to what you're doing or would you reject that entirely well me myself i still

02:57:35.940 identify with the label of fascism like generic fascism is like like roger griffin's idea then

02:57:43.120 you have heimbach in the group who is a marxist leninist like an actual marxist leninist and then

02:57:49.080 we have randy or like andrew striker which is our chairman uh he's affiliated with the korean

02:57:56.380 friendship association which is a pro north korean think tank that does like pr and networking and

02:58:03.680 also fundraising for the uh people's korea now before you go forward this wouldn't just be eric

02:58:10.220 striker wearing a fake mustache would it be no it's not eric striker he looks uh completely

02:58:15.280 different he kind of looks like uh at times at certain angles he looks like german aryan

02:58:21.540 propaganda than at other times he looks like the orc ready to come and pillage europe yeah well

02:58:28.180 that's good to know because eric striker he thinks that fake mustache will save him 0.57

02:58:32.220 like i don't know eric looks more like the fawns my dude like i don't fucking see him in my backyard 0.72

02:58:36.640 are going going after my rhubarb i see you eric striker all right so continue but yeah uh andrew 0.81

02:58:44.860 kind of comes from like a national socialist background but he's kind of disassociated from

02:58:51.140 ideology entirely and he just kind of works with any group that is like anti-american and is

02:58:57.740 somewhat anti-globalist and somewhat socially conservative he's very influenced by evola

02:59:03.340 well all three of us came together and we were like hey let's put together a political party

02:59:09.560 and just like a political organization and see what comes out of it now if you read the manifesto

02:59:15.040 uh you're going to notice like our economic doctrine is national syndicalism but we are

02:59:20.700 more specific in saying that it is industrial unionism and then we push geopolitically

02:59:26.320 multi-polarity and then we also push civilizational states we're not pushing nationalism

02:59:32.160 we are pushing patriotism which is something we want to distinguish and the reason why we're not

02:59:37.180 pushing nationalism is because the united states whether we like it or not is multi-racial and

02:59:44.700 multi-ethnic at the moment and the best thing we can do is push for semi-autonomous ethnic and

02:59:51.800 racial republics in the united states that way people can voluntarily disassociate from one

02:59:57.340 another and have their own culture their own language and identity while at the same time

03:00:01.800 they're connected to a greater federal system which is similar to how the soviet union or how

03:00:07.920 the russian federation or even modern china and india function which is where we've got the idea

03:00:12.980 now if you do read the manifesto uh more specifically the mission statement because

03:00:19.620 we have andrew who's kind of non-ideological you have me who's a fascist and then you have

03:00:25.280 heimbach who's a marxist leninist we did affirm our organization ideologically to be national

03:00:31.800 bolshevik so we are the only group in the united states of america to affirm the meme ideology of

03:00:39.800 you're the only the first ones who are actually doing the thing yes we're the first ones actually

03:00:45.940 doing the thing uh i mean i i also call myself a duganist and eurasianist too like i'm not going

03:00:53.780 to run away from the label they can clip it all they want it's like yes like that's what our group

03:00:58.780 is uh i mean i could talk more and more about it i'd love to talk a bit more about can i just ask

03:01:06.700 a couple of questions at the top before i forget um and i can invite matthew heimbach will be a

03:01:12.640 name that's familiar to a lot of people uh and i could have him on at some point but uh just

03:01:17.620 for people who are wondering right now uh matthew heimbach's previous political project was the

03:01:23.840 traditional workers party to your knowledge is that gone is that retired and this is oh yeah

03:01:29.680 it's been defunct since the entire night of the wrong wives incident but uh

03:01:35.200 i mean we're not we're not gonna go into that that's some deep lore some people should look

03:01:41.040 into yeah but uh well i give you a heads up him and him and parrot are actually on good terms

03:01:46.880 uh there's a lot of people who dislike heimbach but the reasons they dislike him are kind of like 0.86

03:01:52.080 retarded uh the only legitimate criticism they can make of him is that oh you're a communist now 0.93

03:01:57.420 which like sure whatever i mean he still argues for white identity so i don't a lot of them say 0.92

03:02:02.960 white identity is the main prerequisite and then they spurg out because somebody has a different

03:02:06.960 ideology but uh some of the main criticisms they have of him that don't really stick is that one

03:02:13.720 you're fat two like well he's lost a lot of weight if you actually look at how he looks now compared

03:02:18.480 to how he used to look two uh they called him a snitch which is not true at all he never snitched

03:02:24.720 or talked to feds about anybody involved in the movement uh three they said that he left people

03:02:31.780 in legal trouble that is not true he actually set up relief projects to fundraise for people

03:02:38.060 who were in legal trouble and he never advocated anything violent to be taken out on anybody to

03:02:44.460 avoid those types of issues and really the only reason why a lot of these people don't like him 0.91

03:02:50.800 is because he looked overweight then he kind of doesn't he kind of has like a more libtard 0.79

03:02:59.980 looking physiognomy which i guess is how they like try to dunk on him but if you actually get 0.98

03:03:04.740 to know him and talk with him he's really not a bad guy and a lot of their criticisms don't really

03:03:08.660 stick with him oh yeah the other oh so the other one too they say is that he is a wife beater but

03:03:15.240 if you actually look into like his assault of his wife uh she's currently wanted in three different

03:03:21.300 states for criminal reasons and he also has custody of the children because it turns out

03:03:26.960 she's schizophrenic and the reason why he hit her is because she tried attacking him so he was

03:03:33.640 initially being charged with assault then when they looked more into it the state realized that

03:03:38.620 his what is like ex-wife was actually fucking crazy and they took the kids away and then gave

03:03:43.320 the kids to him and that's pretty provable stuff i'm sure if people want yeah it's all public

03:03:48.860 he has the documents like people can talk to him about it he doesn't like talking about it because

03:03:54.320 it's kind of like beating the dead horse because he has to keep talking about it but he'll talk to

03:03:58.060 you about it and also frankly if you're a white beard that's only gonna divide 50 50 our audience

03:04:05.120 you think some of these dudes in the movement would like it because they always talk about how 0.65

03:04:08.660 women suck how they shouldn't be able to drive or go out in public like they're all like andrew

03:04:12.460 tate posting but like one dude supposedly does it in reality and it's like oh my god the world 1.00

03:04:18.020 has ended yeah i know for a fact there's a few people sitting in their tony soprano's living

03:04:22.360 room listening to this going based. But of course, I know we don't want to talk too much about him

03:04:28.380 because he's not here. But that is, I know some people would be asking just about the traditional

03:04:33.180 workers party connection. And also, if you had the time, I'm interested in the delineation you

03:04:40.000 just gave between nationalism and patriotism. Would you be able to kind of summarize that a

03:04:45.060 bit more for people? Yeah, the reason why we're delineating ourself from nationalism, because

03:04:50.800 when you focus on nationalism specifically you're focusing on a specific like ethnic slash racial

03:04:56.120 identity and the project of the patriotic socialist front is to focus on the civilization of america

03:05:03.780 similar to how you have like a eurasian type mentality or the wei ming uh civilizational

03:05:10.920 idea in china where you have like these multi where it's basically a multi-racial or multi-ethnic

03:05:16.420 state the way the reason why you emphasize patriotism is because there's loyalty to the

03:05:23.200 greater federal structure but they have their own language their own racial and like autonomous

03:05:29.500 semi-autonomous republic within that system which is supposed to create like a fraternal union of

03:05:35.780 the peoples you can also think of it as kind of like an empire almost and that's the reason why

03:05:42.220 overemphasizing that more because we don't want to like alienate people from america i know that

03:05:48.020 some racial identitarians are probably going to recoil at that but i mean it's more practical

03:05:53.500 than one balkanizing the united states which means we're going to lose our power base

03:05:58.060 two it's more practical than engaging in full-on deportations which is just going to result in 0.95

03:06:04.300 genocide and war because there's so many brown and colored people in the united states anyways

03:06:08.760 and three it just seems like the more natural development uh due to the cards that we've been 1.00

03:06:16.600 dealt and that's why we think it's the most realistic direction well what's interesting to

03:06:21.280 me is once i saw this political project begin to emerge i because i know you pretty well

03:06:26.900 and i thought oh is zoltz wrote a gravitating more towards you know communism leninism and

03:06:33.940 hearing you describe it sounds like no no you've stuck to your priors but you are kind of living

03:06:38.940 the praxeological thing you're trying to do which is it's a unification between real fascists and

03:06:45.020 with these marxist leninists and seeing so it's not like you're kind of it's not a melting pot

03:06:50.760 as it were yeah well like i still have my ideas heinbach still has his ideas we came to compromises

03:06:58.800 when we wrote the mission statement but if you read the mission statement and go through it

03:07:03.280 i mean it comes off as pretty fascistic but like if you read elements of it too it also comes off

03:07:10.660 very marxist leninist that's because there's a lot of compromises but because of andrew our

03:07:16.620 chairman if you read it there's a lot of traditionalists or very very very reactionary

03:07:22.440 tendencies inside of it and it kind of creates its own ideological transcendence of both the

03:07:30.200 ideologies and kind of goes in a new direction and which i don't have issues with i mean i think

03:07:35.920 that we're kind of playing with the cards that we have united states in the united states

03:07:40.320 and i think it's interesting to do i think it's good to do something different because we already

03:07:46.480 have your typical like civic nationalist organizations you have some of your own

03:07:52.400 classical fascist organizations which really aren't racialist at all like we're still racialist

03:07:58.100 we're just not emphasizing it as like supremacy or trying to deport people and we're not really

03:08:04.740 civic nationalists because we also want autonomous republics for the different groups like the black

03:08:11.000 belt should be its own like black governing region that's semi-autonomous whereas like

03:08:17.160 the midwest all the way to new england should be like a like new germany kind of where it's

03:08:22.820 like a semi-autonomous republic it's interesting because a lot of black people in the u.s uh from

03:08:28.720 what i know especially the black nationalists and there's way way more of them than you would think

03:08:32.700 they would very much like that idea so i wonder do you think this would have any sort of cultural

03:08:40.200 relevance to these minority groups as well yeah we actually have some very positive reception

03:08:45.920 from some black nationalists that we interacted with from the haru movement i even like it's not

03:08:52.540 related to the group, but I even interviewed a black nationalist from the African Union

03:08:58.480 organization. And he wanted to talk to me like how I think America should function or like how I

03:09:05.700 define whiteness or like European identity. And we basically came to like full agreements. And then

03:09:11.720 he said that he did not expect a person who was European or like white to have the type of views

03:09:17.700 that i do but he thought it was very fascinating so did he give you the n-word pass that's the

03:09:23.580 what everyone's trying to ask right now i mean i already got that back in high school bro

03:09:26.780 when i like i was in class like one like so i was in alabama i was in a

03:09:32.360 99 black school and then this place called columbia high school and your life is so

03:09:39.760 fascinating let me just say that like every every like tidbit i get about your life and everything

03:09:44.980 i'm like damn that's so fucking cool because it does sound like you're in the the first half an 0.64

03:09:50.700 hour of american history x well when i was at that school uh we were in there and like these 0.94

03:09:57.600 two kids were like rapping like having a rap vital and one of them's like a bitch got no dick 0.99

03:10:02.680 it's the size of a wick and this one dude's like why are you looking at my dick you faggot and 1.00

03:10:06.560 they're all like oh in the class and the teacher starts getting pissed off he's like can you all 0.99

03:10:12.360 shut up it like we're in the middle of a class right now and then she starts yelling at him

03:10:17.220 then i called her a dumb bitch and then i got sent to the office i got detention ended up coming 0.98

03:10:23.360 back and then the class was like ending and this like fat dude who looked like almost like fat 0.98

03:10:28.020 albert and he's like dude you got your you got your nigga pass and he literally wrote it down 0.77

03:10:32.980 on a sticky note and gave it to me okay did you keep it because it doesn't it doesn't digitize 0.68

03:10:38.600 you gotta have the pass it's yes it is in my room i was hoping that the story would end with you

03:10:45.400 in the rap battle i'm just like no in the let's let's let's table that maybe we can rewrite this

03:10:52.140 story no i can tell you something funny so the one one of the dudes in the rap battle his name

03:10:56.340 is ledreus he had like his eyes were so far yeah his eyes were so far apart he looked like a gold

03:11:02.780 fish and he looked braindead like a goldfish too like he had a blank stare because he was always

03:11:07.400 high and look you're already you already got kind of a rhyme going here like you got the beginnings 0.50

03:11:12.400 of a battle well uh he i was in the restroom and he came out of the bathroom stall of his poop in

03:11:21.020 his hands and started smearing it on the wall and then a teacher came in right in the middle of it

03:11:26.380 and then he started getting yelled at and he just kept doing it then he started throwing the poop 0.55

03:11:31.500 poop like pieces of the poop at the teacher and then secure the teacher like left and got like

03:11:36.700 a security and they had to escort him out and he got suspended for like a week

03:11:40.900 you got the makings of an american renaissance article right there

03:11:45.620 dude like it was disgusting but it was hilarious you got so you got like firsthand knowledge you

03:11:53.380 you came out emerged from the jungle um oh yeah based on what you just said um before i forget um

03:12:00.740 you'd mentioned sort of the civic nationalist organizations which are you know in the political

03:12:06.140 milieu that you're in would you be opposed to working with those civic nationalist groups and

03:12:11.140 let's say maybe are we talking america first our group will work with our group will work with

03:12:16.320 anybody as long as they one oppose liberalism and two they think that globalism is bad so like our

03:12:23.240 allies at the moment is we've been reached out to by national justice party to coordinate it was

03:12:29.960 National Socialist National Social Club reached out to us. None of those dialogues really went

03:12:36.420 anywhere. But we are in friendly relations with American Nationalist Initiative, which is more of

03:12:41.640 a classical fascist group, which you could classify as civic nationalist. Then we're also on good

03:12:46.540 terms with a anarchist syndicalist group that is very sympathetic to like early fascism, which is

03:12:54.480 when it was more anarchist in orientation now let me ask you another example and this is you've

03:13:00.160 probably been asked this before but i gotta ask again would are you in any way connected to this

03:13:05.900 maga communism movement that uh has or infrared is pushing uh no uh a lot of people in his scene

03:13:14.340 actually got very very offended that i actually used the late that we used the label patriotic

03:13:20.940 socialism they got very upset that we did that even though people were associating us with that

03:13:26.180 we are not associated with infrared we're something different it's very apparent that

03:13:31.080 if you interact with his community they're more they're more obsessed with sectarianism which

03:13:36.420 means they want to follow marxist leninism quote unquote you know i have all my issues with how

03:13:43.080 they define marxist leninism that's what they claim they don't want to be associated with

03:13:47.340 fascists or like racial identitarians at all our group on the other hand is not ideologically

03:13:53.860 sectarian we will work with communists we will work with nazis we will work with anarchists if

03:13:59.500 you reach out to us we don't care who you are we will work with you if you oppose the system

03:14:05.640 and we will come to a common understanding with you we do have our own ideology but we

03:14:11.620 our ideology of the group is a transcending of ideologies what's interesting to me is i was

03:14:18.420 thinking about this just the other day um thinking because i i was aware of the mega communism

03:14:23.560 riff before but we just wanted to get it on the record to see if anything had changed as well

03:14:27.880 but um it got me thinking i'm like you know what a lot of people might denounce what this thing

03:14:34.760 that you're doing or think that you know it will or won't work or whatever it might be but it got

03:14:39.100 me thinking i'm like you know what if they actually could find a way to work together

03:14:43.260 i think this could be a sizable movement to really make a dent in the public discourse because i

03:14:51.580 started thinking about the groups that many of these groups like yourself are going after and

03:14:57.420 i'm like okay so you've got this this pool of disaffected bernie bros over here and we've seen

03:15:04.960 them in various online spaces become attracted to the huey longs of the is huey long the kingfish

03:15:12.000 guy i'm i think yeah yeah so him like there's a lot of them they they're their values and their

03:15:19.040 policies haven't changed but they're discombobulated and disconnected from the system

03:15:25.160 and they're looking for something i'm like i don't know how big that group is but it seems pretty big

03:15:30.800 to me i'm like you know if you could get them and then get all some people think i'm crazy and i say

03:15:38.080 stuff like this but there's another pool of people called q anon who are also pretty recently

03:15:44.920 disaffected and looking for something i'm like you have these masses of people who are totally

03:15:51.220 rejecting not only the mainstream narratives that they've been sold but also like anything promised

03:15:57.180 by the system they're decoupled from the system and they're exploring new ideas and i just thought

03:16:02.360 you know what if there's a way to at least create a whirlpool effect to bring them in and and to

03:16:09.660 centralize that power i think you could make a serious run at maybe i don't know i don't even

03:16:16.040 know political office is something you want but i'm like this could be some kind of social

03:16:22.120 phenomena that gets the headlines well i could tell you this like heimbach and randy are doing

03:16:28.760 the group because like they actually seriously want to do some like political action even though

03:16:33.500 i'm in the group like the reason why i'm here is like more for the like theatrical reason i want

03:16:38.640 to create chaos like with the group or like polarize things as much as possible i'm kind of

03:16:44.300 in it for like the literal embodiment of the anarchist they're both in it for like let's

03:16:49.960 actually help people and like take political power that kind of makes sense but as far as

03:16:56.440 like unifying groups of people and doing stuff uh i referenced the national salvation front

03:17:01.980 if anybody is aware of like russian history during the 1990s when you had the constitutional

03:17:07.900 crisis under yeltsin which is when like yeltsin's government and the russian federation was kind of

03:17:13.740 about to collapse entirely then putin eventually came along and kind of stabilized everything

03:17:18.940 The Salvation Front was an alliance between hardline communists, fascists and neo-Nazis, like skinheads, national Bolsheviks, also Russian monarchists and anarchists against Yeltsin.

03:17:35.120 Because they all opposed Yeltsin's liberal shock therapy economics, which were actually plundering and hurting the Russian society to the point where education was collapsed, health care was collapsed, the economy was owned completely by oligarchs.

03:17:54.440 That entire phenomenon happens because it was meant to prevent that.

03:17:59.080 And one of the more prominent people to actually come out of the National Alliance, National Salvation Front, I mean, was actually Alexander Dugan, which a lot of people don't know.

03:18:09.340 And that's kind of like where he got his real big starts with, like with the national Bolshevism thing over there.

03:18:14.900 Then he eventually broke off from it, went in his own direction with the Eurasianist group.

03:18:19.840 But that's kind of where the big inspiration comes from is like that historical example.

03:18:24.680 and it only fragmented apart once Putin came in because Putin stabilized everything and two

03:18:31.000 he kind of overturned the more hegemonic liberal system that was there and kind of moved it more

03:18:38.300 into like this vaguely authoritarian direction so at that point the national salvation front no

03:18:43.600 longer had a purpose to exist but if we come over here in the united states we have a hegemonic

03:18:49.220 system in charge. Our economy has been completely raped by these globalists. And we have a bunch

03:18:58.560 of disaffected people across the political spectrum, which agree on certain core issues.

03:19:04.040 Why can we not unite them to tear down the system that is currently in place,

03:19:09.080 and then establish something new out of it? So what were the, if you're aware, if you don't know,

03:19:15.580 just say so but what were the critiques that antifa had against you was it just the typical

03:19:20.320 you know your dog whistling yeah we're their critique was that i am a white supremacist

03:19:28.300 member of adam waffen division which which is true i've never been a part of adam waffen division

03:19:33.000 and then the other accusation was i'm a part of rape waffen division which is also not true

03:19:37.480 if you're not adam waffen you're not gonna be rape waffen i mean i wasn't neither but like

03:19:41.940 the accusation exists because i took a screen cap of rape waffen's telegram channel back when i was

03:19:49.240 more uh fed posty before i got doxxed that screen cap that said thinking about this and after that

03:19:56.160 they made there's been articles accusing me of being a part of that group and like also o9a

03:20:01.380 because of that which is not true so like there's people accusing the group of being aligned with

03:20:06.860 that because i'm in the group then he had some people accusing heimbach of not really being a

03:20:11.920 communist that he's still a neo-nazi then he had uh other groups of people saying that it was a 0.88

03:20:18.500 white supremacist political rally because we appeared and then he also had your like retard 0.91

03:20:23.860 like white nationalists basically saying that uh we're all judeo-bolshevik uh like communist uh 0.87

03:20:32.300 russian plants on the payroll with the ruble and all that what we're really not being paid to do

03:20:38.320 this we're just doing as it's what we feel uh you do it for free nobody understands where we're

03:20:44.480 coming from apparently i i wonder and this might be too big of a swing but i wonder if there would

03:20:51.620 be a way to crack antifa with this like it would not fit within their worldview like would there

03:20:58.960 be a way to almost swallow up some anti-members i mean there's a way they can actually critique it

03:21:06.600 uh if you actually go on libcom and look up uh their ideas of red fascism you'll find entire

03:21:14.620 articles on uh communist collaboration with fascism or even stuff on strasserism national

03:21:22.560 Bolshevism or the more pro-Soviet elements of Italian fascism, Nazism, and also the conservative

03:21:29.420 revolution with people like Ernst Nikisch or Alain Benoist with like the conservative new

03:21:36.400 right in Europe. That's what they'll critique it as is basically red fascism. And they're very well 0.69

03:21:43.200 read on the stuff. They actually know what it is. And that's why they attack us as being fascistic

03:21:48.460 because it still falls under that somewhat nationalistic, very reactionary, like socially

03:21:54.860 conservative worldview, which is why they attack it is that despite how much some white nationalists

03:22:01.780 may say that we're communists, according to them, we're fascists. And I mean, what's funny is that

03:22:10.700 I would not count myself as an anarchist. And I've been critical of some anarchists. But we've

03:22:17.340 covered it pretty extensively on the show actually and despite all this i find myself surrounded by

03:22:22.820 anarchists with my own community even my co-host uh and so what i found is that you should actually

03:22:30.820 just kind of i'll talk about you should show him my article on like the on the overlap between

03:22:34.800 fascism and anarchism i will he'd find that interesting and he's he's calls himself a right

03:22:39.600 anarchist um openly and and you know sometimes it's you know he doesn't get too too deep in the

03:22:45.840 theory he doesn't have time for that but i know when he goes on about anarchy like he lights up

03:22:51.600 like a fucking christmas tree um but i do find like anarchism despite all that tends to be

03:22:57.300 a bridge between a lot of these leftist and far right ideas because i've got a lot like most of

03:23:04.260 the uh you know leftist friendly stuff i've gotten from these right-wing anarchists and i'm like

03:23:09.700 there's something going on there where you can like bridge a gap i guess a lot of your most

03:23:14.640 prominent fascists at least like intellectuals and also dictators were actually former anarchists

03:23:21.180 or at least they had influences from that like one of hitler's biggest influences was uh the

03:23:26.320 classical uh musician uh wagner or wagner yeah uh he was friends with michael bakunin the communist

03:23:35.720 but the reason why he was friends with bakunin is because bakunin even though he was a communist

03:23:40.480 anarchist was also a nationalist who hated slavs and then he was also rapidly i mean

03:23:47.440 rapidly anti-semitic like uh he considered marx like a jewish rothschild plant to like destroy

03:23:55.600 europeans like uh i mean there is an overlap there or that like most italian fascist intellectuals

03:24:04.380 were like former syndicalists, or you literally have Circle Proudhon, which was like a French

03:24:10.060 proto-fascist group that was made up of syndicalists and monarchists. They named themselves

03:24:15.740 after Proudhon, the anarchist theorist, who was also very anti-Semitic. So I mean, there is

03:24:23.720 connections. It's so interesting that you can point to so many instances in the 20th century

03:24:28.880 specifically of these sort of flashpoint groups where, like you're talking about with the

03:24:34.180 They mark a transition is what they mark. They're flashpoints because they're kind of like merging, contradicting viewpoints. But it's a transition because that placeholder of contradicting viewpoints eventually transitions into something coherent and it becomes more ideological.

03:24:53.040 cool. That's a good point, because even when I was looking at the history of Hitler's revolution

03:24:58.300 in Germany, his dealings with the conservatives and the monarchists, and a lot of these really

03:25:05.600 staunch traditionalists who are kind of swept up in it as well, it seems that every political

03:25:11.700 revolution, at least in the 20th century, and I don't think we've really seen one in the 21st

03:25:16.960 century, maybe I'm wrong, maybe the alt-right was an example of a very, very small-scale one,

03:25:21.760 But you don't see these grand sweeping movements that kind of unite everyone against a common foe.

03:25:29.200 Can you really think of any or am I missing something obvious?

03:25:33.080 I mean, I can't really think of any off the top of my head.

03:25:37.460 Aside from I know what you're trying to do.

03:25:39.160 But then, you know, people will laugh when I say the old alt-right.

03:25:43.000 By which I mean in that moment of time, I guess, leading up to Trump.

03:25:48.380 And that was indeed what I think united a lot of them

03:25:51.780 was this figure or this promise of Trump.

03:25:56.340 And everyone talks about that.

03:25:58.280 Like, man, we weren't fighting as much back then.

03:26:00.760 Yeah, usually when you have a movement like that,

03:26:03.780 there's a couple of things it needs.

03:26:05.220 It needs a cult of personality,

03:26:07.060 kind of like a strongman type figure.

03:26:09.380 And then it needs kind of like an overarching myth

03:26:12.720 or like ideal that's kind of like the driving direction

03:26:16.480 of the entire thing.

03:26:18.380 when you look at the alt-right it did have that recipe since the myth which was like the white

03:26:24.380 identity white identity and then it had the strong man which was trump and then it had the

03:26:28.760 entire counterculture with it which like any movement needs which was like the whole like

03:26:33.720 meme warfare like techistani and all that other bullcrap like i remember it i remember it is it

03:26:39.940 was very fun but it's also very cringe looking back on it yeah well honestly the unifying project 0.86

03:26:47.000 or the unifying target that I think this movement needs,

03:26:51.100 based on what I've been hearing,

03:26:52.940 would be not even to elect anyone,

03:26:55.760 not even to do a big bloody revolution.

03:26:58.080 I think all we really need to do is get Joe Biden on meth.

03:27:03.660 And I think as a first step,

03:27:05.820 if we can get everyone united to get Joe Biden on meth,

03:27:10.880 and then I think a lot of things start going right for us. 1.00

03:27:14.400 Well, I know meth is Aryan 0.98

03:27:16.260 because it was made by the nazis exactly that this is how we uncork the power the froth 0.99

03:27:23.660 of dark brandon i think everyone can can everyone this is a grand unifying theory actually

03:27:31.780 air hyperborean myth i love i love what when zolt pauses that means like something's really

03:27:40.580 fucked ups happened but one thing i wanted to we didn't get to touch on not really was um but we

03:27:49.100 alluded to it at the beginning was you had your i believe your first public showing recently where

03:27:54.760 you attended a protest that made it big news this protest i've seen a few videos circulating would

03:28:01.060 you like to talk a bit about what happened there what you're trying to do and your experience

03:28:05.220 yeah so basically uh andrew heimbach myself and one of our other guys nahabino were going to the

03:28:14.860 rage against the war machine rally which was being organized by the people's party caleb moppin

03:28:20.720 a bunch of other people this was in dc was it yeah it was in dc at the lincoln memorial it had

03:28:26.480 people speaking there like tulsi gabbard jimmy door uh chris hedges and a bunch of like other

03:28:32.020 big names like ron paul and it was kind of transcending political ideology in general 0.80

03:28:37.400 a lot of like dissident people were kind of dismissing it as like retarded so we were like 0.75

03:28:44.220 the only dissident only dissident right adjacent group that actually showed up there which was 0.68

03:28:50.720 kind of funny but besides new frontier which is a different organization we did hang out with

03:28:56.860 deebs and uh this other dude which were from new frontier there and they were in the foot they were

03:29:01.900 some photos with us but on our way to the rally me and andrew actually stopped in palestine ohio

03:29:08.360 and then we gave out water to the locals there and then we published about it antifa had a

03:29:13.720 complete meltdown on twitter over it which was pretty funny and then we went over the dc and

03:29:21.040 we were actually invited to the cpi conference which is the center for political innovation

03:29:26.520 by caleb maupin and caleb maupin is like a very prominent marxist leninist he invited us and then

03:29:33.200 we were working with the kfa korean friendship association and also new frontier which is

03:29:37.780 another uh third position group that's very pro america first very pro nick fuentes very pro yay

03:29:45.720 2024 uh type organization and we were kind of working with those four groups at that rally

03:29:54.820 Before you go on, I'm curious, what did Caleb Maupin think?

03:29:57.920 Because from what I know about him, recent drama aside, he's been on many shows.

03:30:03.600 He works a lot on Russia.

03:30:05.100 Dude, he knew who I was, and he even signed my book of Breadtube Serves Imperialism, and I asked him to.

03:30:11.540 So he's okay with all of that.

03:30:13.600 He knew who I was.

03:30:15.640 Wow.

03:30:16.620 And you said New Frontier.

03:30:19.140 That's a bit of an interesting organization as well.

03:30:21.540 um and i'd like to speak to cultured thug at one point about uh he's no longer affiliated exactly

03:30:27.660 i know i wanted to talk about the the i guess the drama there but you should try talking with

03:30:32.920 uh new frontier first i would assume before doing that because like it's very one-sided

03:30:38.040 if you just talk to him about the drama yeah i was there i've i was on uh or privy to a few of

03:30:43.600 the last calls when i saw that happen i thought it was embarrassing because like you had one dude

03:30:47.800 get drunk and then like rage and then he had another dude and the group get mad and start

03:30:52.840 talking about killing ct and then it just made the whole conversation worse yeah well i remember

03:30:58.180 you were in there too because you were a very very early supporter of new frontier i joined and then

03:31:03.840 i left because we got so autistic but you didn't say anything i think you're one of the few guys

03:31:09.220 and this gave you a bit of a check mark in my book where you donated quite a bit of money to

03:31:14.640 them like you're a guy who's out there supporting thousand dollars yeah and that's you know that i

03:31:20.280 know they didn't really have like i think that was like 10 of what they ended up having like you

03:31:24.780 were responsible for 10 yeah they had ten thousand dollars i donated like 10 of that

03:31:29.620 yeah so this is all a lot of people this might be inside baseball for a lot of people but i find

03:31:35.620 this interesting i find it i just find it fascinating i guess how these groups break

03:31:39.800 apart and reform and kind of fracture um would you and you'd mentioned a couple of third or at

03:31:46.580 least one third positionist party there uh and you get along with just regular third positionists who

03:31:52.880 are usually more far right adjacent as well so you got no problem dealing with them right yeah

03:31:58.740 the only time we get we get derailment is whenever you have like your more white nationalist types

03:32:05.900 that are like overly obsessive about capitalism like brandon martinez which is obvious or like

03:32:11.260 you're very very pro nato pro eu cholergiite type like pro as of people it's interesting yeah i've

03:32:20.140 seen a lot of people fall into a pro capitalism pool because i think they first start aligning

03:32:28.020 with the racial stuff and then they just try and reject everything you bring up so it's like now

03:32:32.580 a pro capitalist dude i like so funny thing is this this is something i'm working on but it made

03:32:38.980 a lot of uh people in the joel davis chat very angry it was the i've been working on a google

03:32:45.780 document proving that there is correlation between white nationalism and transgenderism

03:32:53.180 i've seen you say some stuff i didn't know what that was about but i do you want to you want to

03:32:59.400 give people the elevator pitch here yeah so basically uh when you go into right-wing or

03:33:07.040 left-wing politics if you go into left-wing politics you're more likely to find mentally

03:33:11.860 ill people within left-wing politics and dysgenic people which is very obvious not just in radical 0.84

03:33:18.180 left-wing politics but in left-wing politics in general but when you go in right-wing politics

03:33:22.940 that's not as likely you're more likely to find normal people but once you go into like radical

03:33:29.660 and i mean very radical right-wing politics which is when it gets very racist and very uh

03:33:36.600 uh dissident in orientation you encounter more weird people and the reason why that's the case

03:33:46.100 is because homosexuals are actually more political act more politically active statistically speaking 0.66

03:33:52.320 uh people who are involved in dissident politics in general left-wing or right-wing tend to be 0.76

03:33:57.960 more autistic which is also correlated with abnormal sexual behaviors and you also have

03:34:06.260 issues of being terminally online so people who are on who are distant in politics political

03:34:12.120 orientation tend to be more terminally online which we do have data to back that up and being

03:34:17.280 terminally online means you're more likely to have porn addictions and you're more likely to

03:34:22.200 get involved in weird social groups which basically has like an mk ultra effect and what

03:34:29.760 you end up having is you have like random twitter accounts basically going around saying trans rights

03:34:36.020 or white rights it's kind of like the pipeline of it but there's other effects too that you kind of

03:34:41.860 see it's not just transgenderism you can also find like people who are like white nationalists

03:34:47.580 that are in the black or you can find uh white nationalists who might identify as feminists who

03:34:54.720 have like only fans accounts like you can find a lot of these accounts but people who are kind of

03:35:00.780 like bigger personalities will tell you to ignore it because it doesn't manifest in the real movement

03:35:05.140 but then you come on the internet it's like half the movement but then when you go in the real

03:35:09.780 world uh it actually does exist in the real world too you ever heard of the charles montel society

03:35:15.560 no no what's that oh well it is a openly white nationalist and openly homosexual organization

03:35:23.380 it's the biggest donate donators to counter currents richard spencer and the npi and it's

03:35:29.580 also very big financial donators to american renaissance and they're actually one of the

03:35:36.160 biggest financial donators of like american white nationalism in general and the only way you can

03:35:41.240 get involved in the group is to be a homosexual and you also have to be a very rich person so you

03:35:45.940 have to be a part of the one percent to get inside of the group so there's literally a i've never 0.64

03:35:50.700 heard this before this is crazy there's literally a pink mafia in charge of the white nationalist

03:35:54.840 scene but they don't want to talk about it let me just say this ignore it this is why i like having 0.70

03:35:59.000 you on because you're like you are to me when alex jones goes on joe rogan because you know

03:36:07.840 when alex jones goes on joe rogan it's like you're gonna get me shot you're gonna get me

03:36:13.260 arrested but but but so the the logic tracks and that's you know what i it's difficult for me to 0.75

03:36:20.960 find an error in the thought process there dude some people have gotten so butthurt over shit 0.57

03:36:27.060 that i have said i've actually had retards and skull masks like two weeks ago i haven't posted 0.90

03:36:32.740 about it they literally showed up to my fucking house and tried breaking into my house and then 0.95

03:36:37.740 they ran off because my mother had a gun like like the people are actually that butt hurt 0.90

03:36:45.540 over shit i'm saying that the that the they're actually making death threats and then showing 0.92

03:36:51.420 up to my house like uh if you if you want to if you want to do it like you can come to my house 0.88

03:36:56.240 and put a bullet in my head but like i mean you're not really going to destroy what i'm saying but 0.79

03:37:01.060 also your mom's gonna fuck them up yeah i mean i don't own firearms but my mom does 0.66

03:37:06.360 that's a based mom um yeah no this is all it's very interesting stuff and um if we wanted to 0.59

03:37:13.800 get back to that event i kind of derailed you from discussing the event which is in but it's

03:37:18.640 interesting because i vaguely heard about it because i know guys like jimmy door and tulsi

03:37:24.300 gabbard's a bit still a bit too mainstream but i love paul i yeah i look at some of these guys

03:37:28.740 where i'm like you're on the cusp of something like i've seen jimmy door because i actually do

03:37:34.540 like his show uh now and again but i saw dude i saw his rage by russia today yeah like he is

03:37:41.440 going on tucker carlson like he's doing he's acting out of pocket and i'm like you know what

03:37:45.980 i think this guy might bounce around just interesting areas i could do something funny

03:37:50.240 no jackson hinkle right yeah yeah he's affiliated with like infrareds macro communism and all that

03:37:55.760 well he was there and like we got interviewed by uh i think it was show two news or no more

03:38:03.880 news or something but anyways it's controlled by this like libtard he interviewed heimbach

03:38:08.840 for like 15 minutes and it kind of went viral a lot of people in the dissident like right slash 0.60

03:38:15.420 white nationalist or fascist scene were bitching about it which was kind of funny at the same time

03:38:20.120 all the liberals were also bitching about it which uh which was also kind of funny well that 0.58

03:38:27.100 same dude went and talked to uh jackson hinkle he's like oh aren't you a red fascist and jackson 0.97

03:38:34.200 hinkle's like oh aren't you a faggot and then i got clipped and went viral 0.99

03:38:37.680 literally called him a faggot like did not care they got no response to that that's a it's the 0.99

03:38:46.260 perfect thing to say dude uh when i had antifa like like trying to haggle us i went up to them 0.98

03:38:54.440 and i was like dude you're over here talking about how we're white supremacists if you want

03:38:59.440 to talk about white supremacy that whiteness just means enlightened liberal and then that means that

03:39:05.860 because you're antifa you're a liberal that means you're the biggest white supremacist to exist and

03:39:11.660 then the dude got very sad that i did that i was kind of doing like the fascist rhetoric on him

03:39:16.800 and like how he defines like white stuff he did a checkmate atheists yeah the dude recoiled like

03:39:23.580 he absolutely recoiled when i did that and some people are like dude that's cringe it's cringe

03:39:28.200 that you did that i'm like no he recoiled you made him turn into nosferatu no like literally

03:39:35.380 he he literally like got sad stopped recording then he walked away after i did that and then

03:39:42.720 he bitched about it on twitter he's like this dude called me a white supremacist like he created 0.97

03:39:49.200 a whole twitter thread about it like he was like if i gave this nigga nosferatu charlie brown walk 0.90

03:39:54.480 that's got to be worth something ain't worth nothing yeah it was funny so i say mission 0.89

03:40:00.580 accomplished but we also got interviewed by uh we got interviewed by uh russia today

03:40:05.320 and we wanted to be as offensive when we got there without being without getting ourselves

03:40:11.800 kicked out so we showed up with the soviet union flag which was held by heimbach uh swore the

03:40:18.300 american i'm not going to say his real names he doesn't want to be docs was holding the russian

03:40:21.980 federation flag and then i was holding the russian empire flag and it got a lot of attention then

03:40:29.420 there was also a lot of russian immigrants or people who were from russia that were there that

03:40:34.080 kept coming up to me and they just wanted to talk to me as i had that flag then like they would speak

03:40:39.180 to me in russian i'm like oh no i don't understand russian dude then they'd start asking me questions

03:40:44.300 like why do you have that flag and they're like you you're very you're very uh woke you're like

03:40:49.460 one of them this old dude who's like 70 called me woke wait wait a minute start peeling away

03:40:57.000 the corner of the flag it's just a nazi flag no ah god yeah russia today like had us on a live

03:41:04.860 stream and apparently it was on russian tv which i've not been able to find the clip but we were

03:41:10.240 told we were well because if caleb maupin's there he's connected he works for rt so he probably got

03:41:15.660 them there like i wouldn't doubt it well like caleb maupin it did invite us and that's because

03:41:23.680 we do talk with him behind the scenes but uh his bottom line is he doesn't care what we are

03:41:31.800 ideologically what his bottom line is is that we oppose war with russia which is why he works with

03:41:39.180 us and we're okay with that like if that's your bottom line we'll work with you so i wonder

03:41:44.160 and you know it's not fair that i'm not asking him directly but if you had to speculate

03:41:50.240 is his whole position here just is it ideological because he is a tried and true marxist leninist

03:41:58.020 does this have to do with that or is it mainly his employment at russia today no i think it's

03:42:05.700 just like a short-term temporary alliance against preventing a world war because a lot of the

03:42:15.140 people who went there like scott ritter who spoke at cpi his rhetoric was it doesn't matter if you're

03:42:21.160 a communist doesn't matter if you're a neo-nazi doesn't matter if you're a libertarian or republican

03:42:25.160 or democrat if there's a nuclear war we all die so we may as well try try to prevent this from

03:42:33.060 escalating so there is not a nuclear war and that's kind of caleb's position now he is a

03:42:40.360 former rt employee but he hasn't been affiliated with rt for a while and rt being at the rally i

03:42:48.160 think makes sense because it basically is a pro neutrality rally i was the only dude there saying

03:42:55.300 yeah russia take all of ukraine everybody else was like uh the war needs to end i was going around

03:43:00.460 like take it all take it all and like our team was there doing propaganda essentially for russia

03:43:06.700 showing that there was americans against the war you just want to see chaos oh yeah like literally

03:43:13.940 one of the russians asked me i was like why do you have that flag and i'm like oh i want russia

03:43:17.300 to take all of ukraine not just a bit of it i want all of it and he looked at me like i was nuts

03:43:22.200 you start saying some weird shit why do you have all those bones

03:43:24.780 why do you have all those bones

03:43:28.760 around you like Mr. Cannibal

03:43:29.940 why do y'all got all those bones and blood

03:43:32.620 in you

03:43:33.060 give me that

03:43:35.820 it's basically me

03:43:38.340 but it was a successful

03:43:40.660 rally from the sounds of it

03:43:42.740 did you get any more

03:43:44.920 because you were there

03:43:46.460 you were present and everyone could see you

03:43:48.140 did you get any more internal pushback

03:43:50.920 from anyone there or was it mostly

03:43:52.540 just anti-fuck

03:43:54.780 no the only people opposing us there was antifa then on social media besides antifa it was also

03:44:01.220 white nationalists and in response to that i started posting memes talking about how antifa

03:44:06.640 and white nationalists go hand in hand because like in a way they kind of were because those

03:44:11.800 were the only groups that were attacking us and reposting stuff about us talking bad about us

03:44:16.340 let me ask you this and you raise a very interesting point there uh of your let's say

03:44:21.400 your two primary groups who are your opponents let's say it's antifa and you know what do you

03:44:27.900 call them wignats you know a lot of the more yeah hard just to clarify if you're pro-white

03:44:33.220 and like you're a white identitarian and like you like national socialism say like you're in the njp

03:44:39.720 or patriot front i do not consider you a white nationalist i do not consider you a wignet i

03:44:46.180 consider you like a national socialist to me a white nationalist or wignet is basically brandon

03:44:53.000 martinez adam green full tide or like your random azevite who's like pro ukraine where have you

03:44:59.920 received the most aggressive hostility would it be from antifa or would it be from these groups

03:45:05.820 on the right and if we would like to use a model for the archetype of who this is would that be a

03:45:12.020 brandon martinez uh brandon martinez are like fool tide like are pretty good so what characteristics

03:45:20.000 what would what their critique most aggressive pushback that we've gotten has actually been

03:45:25.480 from white nationalists they're the most aggressive about our organization or like

03:45:31.600 attacking our organization and that kind of like if you remember like early in the conversation

03:45:38.660 we're talking about clergyites i think it's kind of like that clergyite cold ward uh mentality in

03:45:44.760 a lot of these people but i also genuinely think that quite a few of them are feds or at least are

03:45:50.640 i know it's kind of like an old tried and true talking point but i mean we're literally talking

03:45:55.640 about like the azov battalion which is like propped up by the cia and like nato and america

03:46:01.860 and israel so i mean it basically is like glowy shit and then a lot of these dudes are kind of

03:46:07.200 acting as propaganda pieces

03:46:09.140 for that. They're going to say we're doing the same

03:46:11.140 thing for Russia, sure.

03:46:12.800 Point non-taken. But you're still

03:46:15.100 attacking us, or at least

03:46:16.740 talking bad about us more aggressively

03:46:19.000 than Antifa is.

03:46:20.880 Antifa has some threads on us,

03:46:23.360 but they're not literally...

03:46:24.960 They'll talk bad about us, they might post

03:46:27.060 our address, or talk about how we should be

03:46:29.140 unemployed and post our face.

03:46:30.960 You guys are actually posting our

03:46:33.100 address, or our children,

03:46:34.940 and then putting...

03:46:37.200 ways on how to like kill us or putting us on like kill lists or like uh spreading misinformation

03:46:44.960 about us like by making troll accounts that act like us i mean that's like a very different

03:46:51.760 are there any remnants of sort of the old group so we talked about atomwoff we talked about the

03:46:57.560 order of the nine angles like are they still in the mix in this at all i mean in terms of like

03:47:04.280 being pro like as of yeah i mean some of the groups that don't like us are literally like uh

03:47:10.020 09809a type people or like very fed posty accelerationist teragram type people i mean

03:47:18.080 that's because those people are pro ukraine i mean so is it mainly the ukraine thing or did they

03:47:23.740 disagree with any of the race stuff any of the policies they disagree so like the big issue for

03:47:29.220 them is ukraine the other issue is that because we're promoting like a red brown transcending

03:47:35.540 thing that automatically means that we're jewish communists which okay i don't know how like it's

03:47:42.620 a very weird criticism in my opinion but uh the other issue is because of our stance on race

03:47:49.520 because we're not actually talking about like racial genocide that automatically means we're

03:47:54.640 cucks yeah it's interesting that i guess they see you as frustrating because they see you as someone

03:48:03.740 who like betrayed them or something yeah they think they think of me as a traitor and a de

03:48:08.580 radicalizer then they also think of heimbach as a de radicalizer and a traitor and then andrew they

03:48:15.000 think is a de radicalizer and traitor have you gotten any hate from you know the america first

03:48:20.900 civic nationalists, those guys at all? Not really. I mean, when we were at the rally,

03:48:26.740 we actually met some America First dudes and also some conservatives there, and they were very,

03:48:33.340 very receptive to our organization, actually very pro a lot of our ideas. They just disagreed with

03:48:40.300 some of our economic positions. This is all very interesting to me. So

03:48:45.080 where do we go from here with uh and just to repeat the name was a patriotic socialist front

03:48:52.440 was that it yeah patriotic socialist front like we have a substack patsockfront.substack.com

03:49:00.380 or patsockfront yeah or patsockfront.org that's our website it looks very crappy but it's the

03:49:07.780 very nice type of crappy like it looks bad but when you get on it it looks nice if you get what

03:49:12.580 i mean it's that type of bad where it's like bad but it looks good you know what i like that's the

03:49:20.100 best description i like vintage 1990s like storm front look you know what i like it this is that

03:49:27.340 design aesthetic is right up my alley i was gonna ask so what are the next steps for the

03:49:33.960 patriarch socialist front yeah the next step is to try and network more with other organizations

03:49:42.200 to try and build coalitions and then after that it's to have our national our first national

03:49:48.260 meeting which is going to happen in june and then after that it's going to be trying to do

03:49:52.480 some community outreach and also outreach to black nationalists to try and build some

03:49:57.680 coalitions of those groups do you see any bridges to be built and this will be a strange question

03:50:04.920 i'm sure but any bridges to be built with sort of like muslim groups as well because i've seen a lot

03:50:10.420 of outreach from even like white nationalists i've seen reaching out to i don't know this

03:50:16.960 specific groups they're not like not terrorist groups but sort of muslim nationalist muslim

03:50:22.320 well i mean our group is pro baathism in the middle east it's also pro hamas and it's also

03:50:28.660 pro taliban so it's also very pro chechen muslim but like in terms of america if you can read our

03:50:35.780 mission statement anybody can uh we affirm that the main religious denominations such as like

03:50:41.260 catholic protestant uh islam like established religions like actual real religions not cults

03:50:48.900 like Scientology, or like the IM Activity, or like O9A, or like weird autistic pagan revival 0.67

03:50:56.400 groups. Those are cults. I'm talking about actual established religions, like Islam and 0.99

03:51:01.960 Christianity. Those receive very favorable treatment from our organization, because

03:51:08.500 they're considered established religions. Established religions will actually receive 0.89

03:51:12.380 representation in our ideal government. They should be able to take part in the governing

03:51:18.300 structure. They should be able to speak publicly about political issues. And religious values

03:51:26.140 should also shape the discourse on how culture and social values are kind of regulated in America.

03:51:34.440 And we think that in terms of like cultural and social issues, Islam and Christianity have a lot

03:51:39.640 of room to work together. Unlike Judaism, they both agree upon very many things. 0.86

03:51:45.860 Well, I think that would be a follow-up question. Would there be any bridge to be built with Jewish groups? 0.99

03:51:57.440 I don't want to get you in trouble or anything, but I know some people would, you know, the pathway leads to that.

03:52:05.120 Well, Heimbach has said if he's ever met a Jew that was, like, against Israel, that was against global capitalism, and that also renounced the Jewish religion and Jewish identity entirely, we could work with them.

03:52:20.920 Which is kind of like, I guess, what Brother Nathaniel kind of is.

03:52:24.520 But Jews don't do that, really. 1.00

03:52:28.480 They just kind of try to subvert. 1.00

03:52:31.320 Like, personally, I don't think we should work with a Jew at all. 1.00

03:52:33.900 and like i mean you can probably have like a dialogue with somebody like say like brother 1.00

03:52:39.260 nathaniel or like the like a content creator like uber soy but they shouldn't have any

03:52:44.180 way to like represent or manifest themselves in the political movements because let's face it

03:52:50.860 they're so nepotistic racially and ethnically regardless if they convert to a religion

03:52:55.540 or if they share ideological values on certain things they're kind of just subversive by the

03:53:03.180 nature of them existing so it's better just to make sure they're not really represented in

03:53:08.920 government at all or have an influence in government you can still talk with them but

03:53:13.300 like i i don't really think it's good to work with them politically if you get what i mean 1.00

03:53:18.900 yeah we've given yourself a impossible situation which is a yeah if there's a jewish person who's

03:53:25.580 against israel i'm like that's like five guys i think in america yeah yeah of course you know

03:53:33.600 we can leave the door open for uber soy we can leave the door open for new york city's madis

03:53:38.600 yahoo the famous uh orthodox jewish reggae musician there's all kinds of little you know

03:53:45.560 loopholes you could find yeah i mean there's like little loopholes here and there but i mean like

03:53:51.340 the vast majority it's like it's like it's got to be an emphatic like big no yeah i mean if people

03:53:57.940 want to have understand this more they can always just read our one mission statement and two

03:54:02.700 our political program which is on our website and sub stack and that should like give you an idea

03:54:08.460 like where we're at really now i wonder do you see any future where and i know this is you know

03:54:18.580 knock on wood this never happens but do you anticipate that one day you'll run afoul of

03:54:24.220 something like the adl or you know and any group like that and be labeled a hate organization and

03:54:31.260 you making i'm already anticipating it i mean like if you look up the order of nine angles i

03:54:36.940 appear on the wikipedia article like description for it just because i screenshotted some dude's 0.74

03:54:42.700 fucking telegram chat and they have baseless accusations of me being affiliated with that

03:54:48.060 but i guarantee they will be a wikipedia article of me and it will probably have a reference to 0.91

03:54:54.040 that among other crazy autistic shit yeah well best of luck i hope that that probably will 0.88

03:55:01.280 happen just because it seems to happen to everyone but dude i'm gonna make sure before this is over 0.94

03:55:05.760 like heimbach and andrew want to get political power i'm gonna make sure by the time this is

03:55:09.720 over i'm like denunzio or i'm like edward liminov and it's like completely theatrical and like chaos

03:55:15.380 everywhere like i'm gonna be the joker like it's like it's the whole goal that's the best endorsement

03:55:21.760 i think i've heard this entire episode if you get if anyone wants to be the joker this is the party

03:55:26.780 for you yeah i mean like when i get i mean when i get angry too people have heard me probably heard

03:55:32.300 that rage audio before like i definitely become like the joker when i get unhinged i've heard a

03:55:38.020 couple yeah it's like a night and day when that switch flips but also you if this is getting too

03:55:47.980 personal let me know but you used to drink a bit more myself i'm the same way but you don't do that

03:55:54.400 anymore do you yeah i was like almost like like really you could probably say i was an alcoholic

03:56:00.200 like really that's how much i was drinking i'm not now yeah you've given that up and uh it sounds

03:56:06.380 like you're on a much healthier track i think we talked about this last time which i'm very very

03:56:10.320 pleased to hear because you know some people don't understand it but you know once you get

03:56:15.520 that deep in with the drinking you start really just it really affects your behavior especially

03:56:20.420 if you're yeah when i was drinking i was way more irrational i was lashing out way more often i was

03:56:25.700 having meltdowns like non-stop and then i was always like depressed alone i was like self-harming

03:56:31.680 and then i was also uh like really having issues like porn addiction too so like when i like cut

03:56:38.240 that out it kind of fixed all my issues and then i got baptized too around easter last year so

03:56:44.580 the i haven't really had any issues like i still have anger outbursts every now and then but that's

03:56:51.240 because like for me like i'm normally very mellow and silent uh but when things like irritate me

03:56:59.420 or like make me angry it kind of builds up like a volcano and then like like when i'm normal and

03:57:06.480 then eventually this kind of set something sets me off well you're pretty young too how old are

03:57:10.600 you if you don't mind me asking i'm 26 yeah so that kind of leaves you as it's an age thing

03:57:16.780 really um i mean my grandfather is the same way like he's like very gruff very uh silent and it's

03:57:25.580 very hard to piss him off but man once you piss him off it's a force of nature i like i've been 0.92

03:57:31.220 told like when i get angry i get retard strength like uh it was like one dude i got into a fight 0.93

03:57:36.580 with when i was in the army and it was during fire guard and he called me a pussy and like uh 0.70

03:57:43.660 i eventually just had it and like something like flipped in my head and like the next few seconds

03:57:50.320 says i broke his ankle and broke his arm honestly this will sound crazy to some people but i'm in

03:57:57.760 my mid-30s and i find holding on to that is more useful than anything like like i just said some

03:58:04.100 people they age out of their anger but then they age out of aggression period because your

03:58:09.060 testosterone starts to get fucked up oh yeah like just to the point like i i think maintaining that 0.61

03:58:15.380 some people are happy when it leaves i think as a man it's good to hold on to that at least a 0.62

03:58:19.840 little bit for as long as you can oh yeah yeah i mean like you can see it with fuentes like he

03:58:25.440 used to be way more offensive when he was younger but now he's like not as offensive if that makes

03:58:31.460 sense dude i almost got into a fight today uh it was like the middle of the day my wife is pregnant

03:58:38.640 i'm driving her to the hospital because uh we just had you have these obgyn appointments when

03:58:44.280 they're close to the delivery date she's due at the end of the month so i'm in like the hospital

03:58:48.700 drop-off area so we're turning in and then you know turning across the street you you've never

03:58:55.060 been here so you can't visualize it i'm gonna try and describe it so we're turning in everyone's

03:58:59.060 giving us the right of way to turn in this place and this one um i i would describe him as antifa

03:59:05.020 looking he just this kind of like schemey looking hunched over looks like he's kind of dirty looking

03:59:12.980 guy but and he's like yelling at us because we were turning and he stepped out in front of us

03:59:17.000 acting like we were not we didn't have the right of way we had buses letting us go by whatever

03:59:21.700 and then my wife is of course running her mouth saying fuck you fuck you as he's yelling at us

03:59:26.840 then like we're in the hospital parking like he's kind of followed us over and he's yelling at me

03:59:32.320 and so immediately and this is something that you know even on this show i try and put forth

03:59:40.000 uh an image or a sense that i'm a pretty reserved guy in reality i am on the razor's edge at all

03:59:48.620 time um most of the time spent when i was living in toronto is like on the knife's edge of like

03:59:55.380 uncorking on someone and just beating them the shit out of them and so he was kind of walking

04:00:00.040 you're like what the fuck and i'm like so again middle of the day everyone's around i'm doing the 0.99

04:00:05.160 thing where it's like what's that faggot like i'm walking i'm running towards him now and he's 1.00

04:00:10.040 starting to back away and i'm just yelling faggot i'm yelling slurs top of my lungs pregnant women 0.99

04:00:16.720 old women and masks all around me and i always find myself in these situations where this does 0.98

04:00:22.300 not look good for me no one has the context but i'm like what's that what's up yo what's up it's

04:00:28.660 like just and now i'm chasing him i'm chasing him up a hill because i'm like i'm gonna beat the 0.87

04:00:34.900 fucking shit out of you get the fuck out of here because it wouldn't be a fair fight and that's my 0.90

04:00:40.800 that's kind of a bully tactic of me because that kind of may in a way that kind of makes me think

04:00:45.580 of online culture when you get into fights with somebody or when somebody is like intentionally

04:00:50.720 trolling you or like taking things you say out of context and then just kind of like hyper focusing

04:00:56.460 on it then they share it around everywhere and clip it and then it creates all kinds of more

04:01:01.700 drama that come with that because people don't take time to actually look under the surface level

04:01:06.160 of it and it like funnels out into the entire community itself because uh the dissonant

04:01:12.520 community is very small so it's very easy for it to catch on like wildfire yeah and so that's me

04:01:18.440 in real life as well while my again pregnant wife is waiting in the car waiting for me to help her

04:01:25.280 crowd i'm chasing a guy across a fucking hospital parking lot just because i decided that i wanted 0.95

04:01:32.560 to have a fight in the middle of the fucking day and i took time off work to do it so i got to get 0.92

04:01:36.220 back to work after this so what i'm saying is perhaps that story did not pay me in the most 0.88

04:01:41.720 positive light but i'm saying guys should hold on that hold on that to the capacity for unreasonable

04:01:47.920 violence at any given moment so what i'm also saying is it's good that you're angry and have

04:01:54.400 a lot of mp3 recordings of you being angry yeah yeah that's a very roundabout way all right that

04:02:01.680 essentially answers everything i wanted to ask from you and i just wanted to let people know

04:02:07.300 where to find out more so first uh we're talking about the patriarch socialist front website

04:02:13.360 packsockfront.org i got it open right now i'm looking at the site you also got the patsock

04:02:20.120 front on Substack, if people want to find that. And your newsletter, which I, again, encourage

04:02:26.700 people to check out, that's the Fascio newsletter, F-A-S-C-I-O.substack.com. Is there anywhere else

04:02:35.100 that you would like people to find you at? You can just look me up at Zorian Zoltanus on YouTube.

04:02:41.080 There's also the Zorian Zoltanus video archive on Telegram. I have an odyssey under Zolt,

04:02:46.120 but i haven't uploaded anything on it in a year so it's a little outdated you're also hard to find

04:02:51.360 on telegram because you made the controversial decision to just call yourself z so no one can

04:02:56.540 find you oh it's it's zorian zoltanus now with an at so people can find me also telegram has

04:03:04.800 the worst search function on a platform i've ever encountered the reason why i had z for a while is 0.88

04:03:11.700 because i kept having schizos sending me gay nigger porn child porn gore and tranny porn to 0.96

04:03:18.500 troll me so i had to get rid of my at before we end was that the same groups that are have always 0.97

04:03:24.420 been against you this sort of like uh adam waffen type guys yeah and then like when you talk about

04:03:32.400 it because of my views like some other distant creators are like well i don't like it they do it

04:03:40.220 but you deserve it it's kind of like the stance they take it just kind of leaves a bad taste in

04:03:45.380 my mouth ah it's terrible i've never actually had i've had death threats i've had a lot of death

04:03:51.280 threats uh sent to me especially early in the show but i've never gotten any of that well you

04:03:56.560 know how like fascifists like really controversial yeah yeah well because he's my video editor i've 0.96

04:04:02.880 had like one dude like this is one person who kept like like sending me like gay nigger porn 0.95

04:04:09.340 and i bitched about it and this dude is like well i don't like it they do that and i think it's 0.97

04:04:17.480 nasty but i will i will defend to my death their right to send it i will defend my right you're 0.69

04:04:25.620 their right to do it because you work with fascifist who's a street shitter it's like

04:04:29.840 the entire rationale behind it it's just like yeah bro okay yeah this is really when owning

04:04:37.200 the libs goes wrong it's like uo will piss them off if i got raped feminist or when i had a

04:04:44.860 feminist on twitter who was like a white nationalist bitching about me but they literally

04:04:48.580 have an only fans in their account and then they also have a video on their only fans of them

04:04:52.860 having sex with their dog but apparently because yeah but apparently because i work with fascifist

04:04:59.700 that's a big issue and then i talked about it in joel chat then joel's like well you do deserve

04:05:05.100 the criticism from her because of that i'm like dude you're agreeing with somebody who had sex

04:05:10.520 with their dog and has an only fans account i bet fascist had a field day with that one

04:05:14.700 oh yeah he did like he posted all about it like he was happy he was like it's proof 0.71

04:05:20.500 it's proof of whiteness and i'm like dude you're just gonna make everybody mad 0.90

04:05:25.100 jesus christ everyone also everyone's mad everyone's getting fucked up over this 0.73

04:05:31.320 Alright, this has been a fantastic talk, thank you very much, thank you for having me. 0.83

04:05:38.320 And maybe I seem a bit confused.

04:05:41.320 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:05:42.320 Yeah, maybe.

04:05:43.320 But I got your legs.

04:05:44.320 Ha, ha, ha, ha.

04:05:46.320 But I don't know what to do without talking.

Blood Satellite - March 11, 2023

I Live In A Triangle Witch House Inside A Fedpost [＂fugg I don't have an empire keep seeing＂]

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