Blood Satellite - Genderplonked Milflennials are a Product of Late Stage Liberalism

00:00:00.000 do you want to hear the funniest work horror story yeah let's hear it this comes from my wife

00:00:25.960 who was applying for a job a while ago and um i won't say the job because it's not relevant

00:00:31.880 but or the company but it's for you know she works in marketing and advertising just like i do and

00:00:38.640 she was going for a pretty large agency role and uh the first thing they told her as she was going

00:00:46.080 through the interview process was that and after she had done the first interview in fact and they

00:00:52.580 were saying okay if you're chosen for the next round here's what you can expect and they tell

00:00:57.280 her that we have this cool technology you're going to love it what it is it's sort of a custom

00:01:04.760 ai that we have and based on your responses in this initial interview we'll feed all that into

00:01:13.220 ai and it will tell you how much your compensation should be and and they were very careful to say

00:01:21.440 that and once it tells us that that's what it is we can't pay you anything else

00:01:27.040 like as if as if it's the in control of the company yeah as if as if you can't black magic

00:01:36.360 it's like a curse if it says we're gonna pay you 35 000 a year they're unable to go no

00:01:42.040 we can't change it it's on the page we don't have the ability to to wipe that out yeah it's it's

00:01:50.920 just well if the AI said it and the AI is super smart I don't quit and I'm like you work you work

00:01:55.680 in HR this is your job like what why do we have you why don't we just have the can I interview

00:02:01.840 with the AI that's the first question the pinheaded question but really and I she is in

00:02:07.200 agreeance with this but it's like they can just be making that up there's no AI of course they are

00:02:13.980 This is just a tactic to pay you less and say, like, you can't negotiate, which is such a bold move that I have to respect it.

00:02:23.040 Passing the buck.

00:02:23.960 Just passing the buck.

00:02:25.160 Just, yeah.

00:02:26.140 Just lying audaciously.

00:02:29.200 And you know me.

00:02:29.860 I love an audacious lie.

00:02:31.620 Yeah.

00:02:32.580 I love when someone lies to your face, smiling, and it's total bullshit, and it's obvious.

00:02:39.620 Yeah.

00:02:40.020 Oh, yeah.

00:02:40.600 Like, what am I going to do?

00:02:41.460 The AI, I made it.

00:02:43.600 i bought it i i paid chat gbt 30 a month like that's all it is it's fucking we put it in chat

00:02:50.120 gbt and it tells me what i want to hear the cheapest consumer version the lowest tier of

00:02:55.840 chat gbt not the enterprise option just like a fucker we've had it open we've had it open in

00:03:01.720 this tab for months and it takes it takes like hours to respond so i'm gonna call you back when

00:03:06.480 it tells me how much you're worth it's like a kid with a game cube it's like i can't turn it off

00:03:11.500 because then the save file will wipe.

00:03:13.880 So if you close that tab, it's gone.

00:03:16.280 It's dead.

00:03:17.560 We don't know what to charge anyone anymore.

00:03:21.500 But I just love giving people these stories

00:03:24.660 because this is what's going on.

00:03:26.560 If you're not looking for a job,

00:03:28.260 this is what you're dealing with.

00:03:30.420 And I was saying before we started,

00:03:31.900 the job marketplace from where I'm standing,

00:03:34.620 in Canada anyway,

00:03:36.080 and for my sector,

00:03:37.860 is a knife fight out there now.

00:03:41.500 people flicking lit matches at each other you're hearing about mass layoffs every couple months

00:03:48.780 facebook lays off 30 000 people whatever it is and uh i think and like when you're looking at

00:03:55.500 the real estate market anecdotal evidence really helps it's just hearing people's stories about

00:04:01.020 what it's like see how people are losing their mind on linkedin that helps a lot but even my

00:04:06.860 wife was saying you have like vps career vps vice presidents were laid off they're bumping down to

00:04:12.460 look for director jobs they have directors taking manager jobs so your competition is these people

00:04:19.580 already severely compromising on their pay just because everyone's desperate right now

00:04:24.860 and so that's why it's such a absolute nightmare i don't know if that's the same everywhere but

00:04:29.980 but I don't think anyone's not complaining.

00:04:33.460 I think if I were to check,

00:04:35.440 there's some roofer bitching right now in the evening.

00:04:39.740 Damn, son, where'd you find...

00:04:41.500 God, stop, ass rape!

00:04:42.740 Find me a man that isn't complaining,

00:04:45.160 and I'll find you the portal to Valhalla.

00:04:50.780 Yeah.

00:04:51.740 As they say.

00:04:54.300 Not worth it.

00:04:54.900 I mean, it's not going to happen, though.

00:04:55.980 That's the problem, so we're all going to hell.

00:04:59.980 I was thinking the other day that the worst case scenario, when you pass, is eternal darkness.

00:05:07.900 What if you die and it's nothing?

00:05:10.860 And I said, thank God.

00:05:14.160 I take that over this.

00:05:17.340 Whatever this is.

00:05:19.660 You want infinite, lingering darkness?

00:05:22.920 It's better than having to deal with this, with the bats.

00:05:27.540 Think about the week you've had.

00:05:29.980 Would you take eternal darkness?

00:05:32.460 I would.

00:05:33.460 My life is great.

00:05:34.580 I love my life.

00:05:35.700 I'd say, ah.

00:05:36.440 I'm having a ball.

00:05:38.140 Are you loving life?

00:05:39.680 Get out of here, darkness.

00:05:41.540 Yeah.

00:05:42.120 Get out of here, darkness, my old friend.

00:05:46.200 Are you really loving life?

00:05:47.880 Yeah, man.

00:05:48.260 Or are you just trying to get me?

00:05:49.420 No.

00:05:50.040 I'm off the social media.

00:05:52.580 I'm getting my shit organized.

00:05:54.440 Doing lots of fun stuff.

00:05:56.460 We're good.

00:05:57.060 I planted plum trees today

00:05:59.960 It was a thrill

00:06:01.060 Everyone says once they get off social media

00:06:04.460 It's the best thing they ever did

00:06:06.100 It is, everybody should do it

00:06:07.940 I'm not gonna do it though

00:06:10.660 How long do plum trees take to grow?

00:06:17.240 What are you doing?

00:06:18.180 Well you know what, I got

00:06:19.260 When you get them little they're called whips

00:06:22.040 Which is like

00:06:22.980 They're big enough for you to transplant

00:06:24.980 But it's like a little stick essentially

00:06:26.940 like it's up to your elbow because you could use it as a whip you could use it as a whip yeah it's

00:06:31.680 flexible it's like a whip anyway those are usually like a year and a half old so when you plant them

00:06:35.420 they're already like a year and a half or two years uh so mine have been in the ground for

00:06:39.160 two years so it's four years old and last year i've why i had one plum tree last year it was

00:06:44.920 covered in blossoms but there were no fruit because stupid me you have to have another tree

00:06:50.960 to pollinate it so i picked up two more trees which are and i got lucky they're not whips

00:06:56.260 these are their same age so these new trees are already four years old so i planted them

00:07:00.980 now i got three four-year-old trees they all have buds for blooms on them so i'm just gonna have

00:07:05.980 like oodles of plums this year what the fuck are you even talking about you gotta get a boy tree

00:07:11.860 and a girl tree what is this you can't just get a tree anymore so not all not all plants are like

00:07:16.860 this but plums are funny these are japanese hybrid plums i'm not laughing you gotta have a

00:07:21.840 plum that's like the same category like a japanese hybrid but it can't be too genetically similar or

00:07:28.340 else it won't pollinate but it also can't be too different or else it won't pollinate it also has

00:07:33.020 to be a cultivar where the blooms open at the same time so that the bees can move between the blooms

00:07:37.580 on two adjacent trees so it's tricky to get the correct species but i think we got it i think we

00:07:44.080 got it so i hear stuff like that i think god really doesn't like us god has nothing to do

00:07:50.840 with it god is god looked away when the guys were hybridizing these plants god had nothing

00:07:56.360 to do with this particular thing yeah he sneezed during when this was coming out

00:08:01.780 it'd be great if the young version of every plant was similarly named after what weapon it could be

00:08:12.160 used as yeah these are the whips yeah yeah but i'm going through canadian tire home depot garden

00:08:19.840 section yeah looking for like the young uh you know gatling little little this is just a bitch

00:08:26.860 suffocator i mean how to use them as one weapon which is to shove in the mouth of a woman it's

00:08:35.520 like it's just some spanish moss or something it's just this bitch suffocator it's all bitch

00:08:40.500 suffocator every every plant has the same label every it's the same weapon all right so i bet

00:08:51.680 we're gonna spend entirely too long on this so i'm gonna try and keep it spry all right but i'd

00:08:58.280 love to do a recap of our april event oh yes yes please we've got uh i guess two weeks right

00:09:05.720 of distance from it um or maybe one i don't know how i don't know how long it's ever been

00:09:11.220 two weeks two one and a half weeks um for those who weren't paying attention this was an event

00:09:18.240 that we held in toronto two weeks ago on a saturday and speaker event the main speakers i

00:09:26.140 was emceeing but the main speakers were cat girl kulak ferryman's toll and dr ricardo de shame

00:09:32.820 and uh we had quite a healthy audience we were at the limit of what we could do for that space

00:09:40.100 anything more than that it would have been too claustrophobic we actually had standing like

00:09:47.640 some of the speeches we actually had people having to stand at the rear doors because of how crowded

00:09:52.220 it was but yeah it was it was packed to the gills it was great it was packed and it was a step up

00:09:58.580 from the first speaker event that we had this would have been a couple years ago

00:10:02.260 similarly in toronto but for this we tried a lot more at this one we the first one was at a bar

00:10:09.300 like the basement of a pub and that presented some difficulties it was easier because you had

00:10:15.720 a staff and bartenders and uh it was in a known place but the flip side is that you have a bunch

00:10:23.860 of randoms in there you've got a bunch of staff from a venue that maybe you weren't completely

00:10:29.060 honest about what it was for yeah and uh you know the experience i had was i thought i was winning

00:10:34.800 those ladies over with my silver tongue ways and then it was afterwards i think maybe a week from

00:10:42.380 the event we were asked politely but firmly never to return um but they were very gregarious about

00:10:52.640 it for this we tried a bunch of new things so we tried different type of venue i rented an entire

00:10:59.280 house that was converted into a venue so it had av capabilities and projector and things of that

00:11:04.960 nature um one thing i was not prepared for and i didn't know what i can really do about it but

00:11:12.880 so much of that venue was rigged to be a club which is good for dancing yeah

00:11:19.440 i meant that there was really no alternative to the club color scheme that the lights had

00:11:26.880 you know there was like a tablet with all kinds of i you know we can switch up the colors you

00:11:31.800 can switch up the theme but i'm like it's all kind of the same theme but i did go through at

00:11:36.700 the beginning like it wound up being red and orange because i kind of picked those when we

00:11:40.840 got there it was all rainbow and i was trying to dig through and just stop the fucking rainbow so

00:11:46.400 it was mostly red but a bunch of them i couldn't find the channel for the so there's some of them

00:11:50.800 were still rainbow through the whole man i'm sorry yeah i don't know i want to say at the top

00:11:54.380 what an enormous help you were and we'll get no honestly i don't even work here i was just there

00:12:01.020 but you you might as well in my mind you do because we had one individual that was supposed

00:12:06.340 to be there that did not come and that's all we're going to say about that uh from the staff

00:12:11.420 but uh you you're very and he was sick as a dog and you understand when judas is sick he is

00:12:18.960 like looney tune sick yeah i'm still getting over it he came in it was already warm but you're

00:12:24.600 wearing a scarf you were dressed for winter wearing a toque i couldn't make sense of it

00:12:29.680 i can't make heads or tails of this man but he was still busting his ass you should wear a mask

00:12:34.160 to cover your identity so i was i was trying to cover my face with a scarf but then yeah but but

00:12:38.960 oh good point and so some of the precautions we gave to people leading into the event and these

00:12:44.660 are precautions that i would advise anyone who wants to host a similar event to do is that um

00:12:50.640 recommend that people wear face masks at least when they approach the venue and then some people

00:12:57.340 didn't give a shit some people they they've they've been doxxed most of the speakers we had

00:13:02.240 are known but then this was mainly for the attendees because there was an event on the

00:13:09.420 west coast titled the exiles of the golden dawn and the i think canada anti-hate network or

00:13:16.420 anti-fire someone they just they could not get into the event but they had people camped out

00:13:21.360 across the street and just taking photos of people that were going in and so i'm like just wear wear

00:13:26.940 covid mask there's probably a technical name for it but everyone just calls it a covid mask now

00:13:31.980 Junets of course came with a full wool scarf like a very heavy knit scarf and so I appreciate you

00:13:42.480 taking the effort although it must not have been very comfortable because he was he was dying this

00:13:46.480 is a dying man you must understand and and jumping in figuring out the colors getting rid of the

00:13:51.700 rainbows we're going to have video recordings of it we we had a videographer there two cameras

00:13:58.940 amazing working with him

00:14:01.500 and his team and so we're going to have

00:14:03.620 a little mini, not a documentary

00:14:05.760 but recording the live footage

00:14:07.900 because we can't really do much

00:14:09.440 we can't take B-roll

00:14:11.800 footage of people having conversations

00:14:13.800 because that would also break

00:14:15.820 the rules of anonymity that we have

00:14:17.920 so we're at least going to have the speakers

00:14:19.920 we're speaking

00:14:20.520 but just

00:14:22.740 there's a couple funny stories I could share

00:14:25.620 from the event

00:14:26.540 um these were relayed to me after because what were our wins that night i thought one win was

00:14:35.540 we sold more merch than i thought we would i don't know the rules about a merch table of this

00:14:40.560 sort of event i'm like we had uh operation ensign there yep and we had dr deshane sung some of his

00:14:47.640 books you were selling some amazing pins there but i'm like i don't know there's not an atm in

00:14:55.100 the building and but we had worked pretty diligently to get up square uh the terminal

00:15:01.440 so we actually bought a terminal so people could use their cards and most of the time

00:15:05.000 you just gotta use cash so i i don't think a lot of events that are like this went to those

00:15:11.560 lengths because it's it's not fun entering in items into a fucking inventory and then

00:15:17.280 setting it up on the tablet and doing all that shit but i think it's because of that that we

00:15:21.660 sold what we did i think you're about to say something there no no i just i wasn't aware i

00:15:26.060 only knew what i had sold but i uh i didn't know oh i know that lee was working the uh

00:15:31.900 was working the the merch stand and did a fantastic job like the setup was great

00:15:36.540 and it did seem like i mean i bought a hat that's my new favorite hat actually from operation ensign

00:15:40.860 so yeah yeah great products and i bought a few things too and uh one thing that i really

00:15:47.900 appreciate it also aside from you and judas judas constructed a podium for us an amazing podium

00:15:58.860 and a riser because we're going into this it kind of became a joke within our crew that i'm always

00:16:06.780 freaking out about a podium i was freaking out at the first event because we didn't have one i'm like

00:16:11.540 we need a fucking podium we can't not have a podium what is this what is this fucking amateur

00:16:15.940 hour they're going to be laughing as we'll get laughed at the pub right and so this time you

00:16:21.960 made one it's it's gorgeous and a riser because i thought it was going to be all standing room but

00:16:27.860 we ended up needing chairs because there was such a healthy mix of ages for this event healthy mix

00:16:34.800 of different crews and sectors and a healthy mix we had some a group of ladies who were quite

00:16:42.780 mature and we'd love to have them then there's you know like a nine a couple 19 year olds and

00:16:47.840 then there's a bunch of you know like dr ricard de shane brought his people and then all these

00:16:53.380 people brought their people and then a bunch of second sons there with ferryman and so it was a

00:16:59.760 a fun mix and then of course i i'm going to forget to mention this so i'm going to say now

00:17:04.500 an individual by the name of friendly fash i think you met him there oh yeah he's he's a cool guy

00:17:10.860 yeah and say this is a friendly fash he's he's very friendly he's easy to get along with he's

00:17:18.940 amicable he's funny you see images i mean you can look him up these images he's an intimidating guy

00:17:23.820 right here's a guy who who runs his own crew runs his own organization but you meet him this guy

00:17:29.740 bringing the best energy into the place i'm gonna give him a free ticket next time i just

00:17:33.820 like having him around yeah man he's the heart of the party he's a great guy and uh so and then

00:17:39.980 assistance from other guests because we did everything by the book and as we all do for

00:17:46.380 these events we got the special events permit we did everything but the nature of the permit was

00:17:52.380 that because if you've ever tried to get a permit for an event and you need to get a permit um i

00:17:58.860 mean you can also just not do it but um it if there's booze involved at all you can get visited

00:18:06.140 by an agent of the government and get fined heavily and that includes tailgate parties that

00:18:11.540 includes weddings that includes like anything anything where there's like a party you need to

00:18:17.180 pay money and have this document on hand and if they choose to come by and you don't have it

00:18:22.220 then i don't know whatever the fines like ten thousand dollars but they didn't have a specific

00:18:28.240 type of category for what we were doing which is like a speaker event which was you know a

00:18:34.020 a far right extreme is schizo slonk fest because we also had booze there that was the other thing

00:18:40.240 that we did with the merch table we had food we it was i brought in a bunch of donuts that we

00:18:45.060 bought nearby that cost entirely too much and we brought alcohol and so here's a side note and i'm

00:18:52.500 saying this because i want other people to know if they want to host something like this some of

00:18:57.980 some of the learnings that we have uh i didn't know how to stock booze for this i didn't know

00:19:04.780 what was going to be popular so we said we're going to have just a selection of bar rail stuff

00:19:10.460 there's going to be ladies there so you got to have tequila that was my thinking and then a bunch

00:19:16.540 of beer i don't know beer i never drank beer i'm telling them leaving it up to everyone else what

00:19:20.860 beer do we get all the beer was gone in the first hour like first 30 minutes i think the thing is

00:19:27.260 we were drinking before it started i think most of the beer was gone before

00:19:31.260 like before the doors open it was gone and then the whiskey because yeah my my bias was

00:19:37.980 be like oh based on what i liked to drink and like whiskey scotch so we should be all whiskey

00:19:44.220 and all beer and i'm thinking that's stupid you know no that's just that's just me but that is

00:19:48.940 actually turned it turns out that's what people wanted it turns out no one touched the rum

00:19:55.740 i expected more of that vodka is almost gone tequila is like half gone but like whiskey was

00:20:02.780 we had to do another run for beer and whiskey yeah i'm thinking for the next event you know

00:20:08.460 if and when we have one i'm like it's gonna here here's gonna be the selection whiskey rye bourbon

00:20:16.060 and scotch yeah just the four of those and then a beer to the ceiling i guess

00:20:22.300 and we loved having there's so many people who stepped in to help too there was a posty from

00:20:29.800 base maidens that was posty yeah she was she was fantastic she just jumped in another great energy

00:20:36.360 lovely woman just started tending bar and uh because i said legally based on the special

00:20:43.300 instrument we can't serve alcohol kind of a bartender we can't sell it it's just there

00:20:48.320 and so i'm like i can't be seen doing that just because again we're playing it by the book but

00:20:53.240 you can she's just a lady you can do it's a free country in a sense so but you had a lot of that

00:21:00.860 a lot of instances where people were offering to help because everything's more complicated than

00:21:07.460 you'd think for an event like this no matter how much we prepare no matter how much we organize

00:21:11.900 ahead of time you on the way in and we're doing a plan but then it hits and then it

00:21:18.240 turns out you know people start arriving earlier than you think and that throws everything off and

00:21:23.680 then you know someone plugs in their laptop and the music stops and this is a whole av setup i

00:21:29.540 don't know what happens when you plug this in and now it's just and then everyone's if that sounds

00:21:37.020 come over the speakers everyone's genitals just like they're gone it was just you you drew a box

00:21:45.340 around in photoshop and delete it everyone's pissed off here's a couple funny stories i'd

00:21:50.620 love to really and if you have any more i'd love to hear them as well but we had influencers in

00:21:55.020 the audience so we had a couple people who were supposed to come that weren't able to make it

00:21:58.860 daniel tyree wanted to come couldn't make it gordon mcgill wanted to but couldn't make it but we still

00:22:03.740 had greg wycliffe in the audience we still had derek rance in the audience yeah these are great

00:22:09.260 guys to talk to um i didn't get to talk to anyone as much as i wanted to so here's a couple funny

00:22:15.900 things uh one of the stipulations of the event space and remember this was officially a birthday

00:22:22.540 party for me yeah like that's what this event is technically we sang happy birthday to you

00:22:29.100 we sang happy birthday to me and so that's that makes it official um and so that's because of

00:22:36.300 of that you know this event venue they had to have one security guard we had our own security

00:22:42.160 we had the second sons there who were not only doing internal security but external security

00:22:47.940 and we had this place locked down pretty well nothing but positive things to say about those

00:22:55.200 guys and their uh you know professional attitude when it came to this but uh we also had to have

00:23:00.920 this other security guy um and i met him he's one of the first guys i met it was just a young indian

00:23:08.160 guy and of course i'm you know racking my brain i'm thinking okay how am i going to handle this

00:23:13.820 i knew going in we had to have one but is this a plant this is a vector it's a pain point for us

00:23:21.780 what are you gonna do with this guy and then as i'm being introduced to him uh the host is like

00:23:26.520 So where do you want him?

00:23:28.140 I'm like, oh, I can have him anywhere.

00:23:29.640 He's like, yeah, I just, I'm like, is he going to be patting people down?

00:23:33.140 Is he counting to make sure how many people are in?

00:23:35.680 He's like, no, he's just going to kind of stand around.

00:23:38.760 I'm like, oh, can he be outside?

00:23:42.480 He said, yeah, if that's where you want him.

00:23:44.200 I'm like, okay, stand out there.

00:23:49.500 But I'm being gregarious the entire night.

00:23:52.780 I'm being magnanimous to this guy.

00:23:54.760 I'm saying, do you want some water?

00:23:55.980 do you want some food now as the night went on and the drinks started flowing i know i'm talking

00:24:06.120 to derek rance he's a great guy he tells me later uh at the end of the night he's like you know i

00:24:12.700 had a word with that guy that security guy i said because this entire time i'm trying to keep a lid

00:24:19.200 on it right like mate because as the night's going on as the speeches are going on i'm in the other

00:24:24.380 room near the front enders just cleaning up keeping an eye on everything and then i'm keeping

00:24:29.540 an eye on the security guy too he's lingering closer to the front door sounds like he's trying

00:24:34.340 to listen into the speech and the speeches aren't bad but i think he's trying to figure out what is

00:24:38.840 this ferryman's toll you know up there just speaking with authority and this this doesn't

00:24:45.060 seem like a birthday party even though maybe i'm just weird this is what we do now with birthday

00:24:50.020 parties right then i hear that um but derek ranso was like going up to him later going you know what

00:24:58.080 this is right and like getting in his not getting in his face but sort of lecturing him about indians

00:25:05.240 in canada and just this like 23 year old indian security guard i think i think they had it sounded

00:25:13.020 like they were having some kind of a conversation like it was kind of a mutual understanding like

00:25:18.180 you know we don't hate you we just love us and we love our nation don't you love your nation

00:25:24.060 we just want this place to be for us it's our place it's very it's very reasonable he made it

00:25:30.180 sound like it was pretty reasonable and like the guy was still there and he was not mad no early on

00:25:37.040 we had something of a scare did we not so we're very conscious of um like i've got people's email

00:25:45.920 addresses but i don't get a lot of information when they buy the tickets so but i i try and do

00:25:50.840 my due diligence in advance of it do background checks as much as we can but i can't really tie

00:25:56.860 a face to a name a lot of the time so as people are filing in i see a face that stands out against

00:26:04.660 the crowd and uh it's was it an angry mulatto woman it was it was a mulatto woman there's this

00:26:16.140 this woman of darker complexion braids dressed in i don't want to say a hip-hop but a hipster hoppy

00:26:23.980 way kind of like baggy pants and stuff and she's in the front and she's on her phone and seems like

00:26:29.760 she's lingering it seems like she's sidling up to these clusters of guys who are having their

00:26:35.660 own conversations and stuff just you know not not looking not looking right and so

00:26:41.540 i wanted to do another round of pat downs it turns out comedy of errors that she was the daughter of

00:26:50.820 one of the guys there yeah she actually came with a group the group she was sidling up to

00:26:56.040 was like her her her brother or friends and her dad like i was just so it was my prejudice

00:27:04.420 yeah and then of course she was very i don't want to say performatively i bet it's like

00:27:10.420 it is what it is but she she was very nationalist which was kind of

00:27:15.000 once she got going

00:27:18.020 these fucking indians she linked to link this up to the previous story

00:27:24.280 derrick rance is out there giving you know a very reasonable moderate you know coming to terms

00:27:31.820 with this uh ideological opponent apparently this girl gets in the indians fucking face and

00:27:37.640 starts yelling at him so that i i heard it she wasn't really getting in his face but she like

00:27:43.060 she was being Derek was having a really calm conversation with him she was more jocular like

00:27:48.760 she was kind of like oh so uh what do you like what do you like about it here so much you know

00:27:52.680 what's what's better than India why wouldn't you just stay in India am I right like why would you

00:27:55.720 just stay in India so they're kind of giving it to him she's letting her nuts hang and I appreciate

00:28:03.540 like hey once I got talking to her I'm like okay this is I like this crowd we've got I don't know

00:28:09.340 what this it's it's let's let's just say that it's more mixed than i anticipated we had our

00:28:14.620 our buddy westwood who flew in from bulgaria westwood a lot of people flew in some from the

00:28:20.800 u.s some from across canada and westwood flew in from bulgaria and uh i i felt a special duty to

00:28:31.560 have a conversation with him that was uh i was telling people like i couldn't find him all night

00:28:36.340 where's the fucking Bulgarian

00:28:38.360 how do I miss that

00:28:39.440 let me end on this

00:28:41.520 so

00:28:42.780 the event was held

00:28:46.520 in downtown Toronto

00:28:48.800 in a place

00:28:50.420 called Kensington Market

00:28:51.720 and for people who don't know

00:28:54.740 that's back in my day

00:28:56.480 that was Hipster Central

00:28:57.680 and I'd gone up

00:29:00.720 and checked out the place over the past

00:29:02.720 few months and

00:29:04.540 there's a lot of different options and we liked the place that was there and uh every time i'd

00:29:10.760 gone up i'd looked around i said this ain't what it used to be this place is dead back in the day

00:29:17.040 it was this vibrant it was like a leftist progressive central like hipster hippie central

00:29:22.460 but now it's depressing it's all just taco stores and homeless people and then uh as i was driving

00:29:31.420 in that Saturday, driving down

00:29:33.340 the street, packed

00:29:35.200 on both sides, I said

00:29:37.340 oh heavens, oh

00:29:39.400 no. This still very

00:29:41.440 much is Antifa Central.

00:29:43.960 This still is

00:29:45.020 like you're walking around, you're seeing

00:29:47.040 crust punts everywhere.

00:29:53.340 And we saw them all through the night.

00:29:56.960 They were holding court

00:29:59.420 and setting up shop.

00:30:00.880 I don't know, we walked in some kind of homeless sitcom, you know, walking to and from the event, and they're roasting people on the street, and I don't know, they've got a cast of colorful characters that I don't really care for, if I'm being honest.

00:30:13.780 We were saying that if we pull this off, and we're prepared for the worst, we're prepared for protests, we're prepared for fights, even.

00:30:22.240 We're not trying to agitate for a fight, but we're ready for it, and nothing happened.

00:30:28.520 No one came by.

00:30:29.880 well it wasn't it wasn't bad it looked it looked bad and i know what you mean because like when i

00:30:34.380 came around the corner i grounded the corner into kensington there was like a a black rastafarian

00:30:40.260 guy tweaking and like dancing blocking cars in the middle of the road and like those cross punk

00:30:45.820 bikers just sitting on the sidewalk you have to like step over them and it's like okay so

00:30:50.640 it really is crowded like those people never did leave and it was bizarre anyways but the fact that

00:30:57.240 all of that was there and we were loud like i think for the first half of it we had the door

00:31:02.780 open if you were outside in the street you could hear some of the speeches but it didn't seem to

00:31:08.220 matter like i wonder if it was enough of a flex that people walking by is just like what do we

00:31:13.560 what do we do also who do you call i if i'm looking at from their perspective

00:31:18.080 there they would show up to try and dox people okay that's to be expected but if they're showing

00:31:25.720 up in any numbers to cause problems you need to look at the crowd like look at the guys we have

00:31:32.800 here like these guys are ready to fucking go oh yeah no no yeah that's true if you had a look at

00:31:38.120 the at the the shape and size of the people in there they weren't all fighters but there was

00:31:44.820 enough there were enough meaty guys in there that you wouldn't you would not want to pick a fight

00:31:48.960 with this crowd yeah like if you're coming to start problems i hope you bring 50 guys i hope

00:31:54.720 you bring a fucking battalion of

00:31:56.760 people. Yeah. Because there's going to be enough

00:31:58.800 guys here who are drinking

00:32:00.180 and by the way there's no

00:32:02.760 air conditioning in this venue

00:32:04.740 and I learned that too late. There's no

00:32:06.680 AC so everyone's hot.

00:32:08.620 Everyone's sweaty. Everyone's

00:32:10.740 testosterone is up.

00:32:12.700 So if you come to start a fight I hope

00:32:14.760 you don't because it's going to be

00:32:16.820 a massacre. These guys are savages

00:32:18.740 right now and some

00:32:20.820 of these ladies look like they can handle

00:32:22.680 themselves as well. I don't mind telling you.

00:32:24.720 i got my own little story from it that you weren't you weren't there but somebody had come in part

00:32:29.200 way through i was standing near the door you you must have been in the other room and i overheard

00:32:33.920 somebody asking they asked lee or somebody near the door they said we're looking for dimes where

00:32:38.880 did dimes go what does he look like and they pointed over to their he's like he's that guy

00:32:44.880 and she kind of points at you she wants trying to describe she's like salt and pepper he's mr

00:32:50.400 salt and pepper i'm like that that's so good am i mr salt and pepper mr salt and pepper

00:32:57.920 okay in like the beard because i don't think my hair i don't know i can't even thing is

00:33:02.320 we are look there were some some fairly old people there but you and i are in the upper

00:33:07.840 end of the age range man like we're both essentially we're we're spiritually 40.

00:33:13.440 so would it be fair to say we're elder statesmen yeah we're elder states

00:33:20.400 it's kind of over you imagine we actually started doing that like i think we put the time in to

00:33:25.680 demand respect shut up i think it's like probably aside from some of the you know the the nicer

00:33:33.140 older ladies that were there and and mr duchene it would have been you and i and john and derek

00:33:39.180 are kind of in our age range but i i think probably that the median age would be 30

00:33:45.440 somewhere around

00:33:47.000 they go up to Dr. Duchesne

00:33:49.320 who is of these Mr. Dimes

00:33:51.800 ever since I hear

00:33:55.640 I heard his speech

00:33:57.660 I love his speech patterns

00:33:59.740 but anytime I need

00:34:01.960 to say the word liberalism

00:34:03.480 liberalism

00:34:04.980 and I'm not trying to say that

00:34:10.640 as a disparaging remark but

00:34:12.660 it's infectious

00:34:13.900 is but anyway um so that's just the recap we've been doing this talking about for a while now

00:34:19.760 yeah yeah yeah inside baseball it's the funny thing is um so you and i both left right after

00:34:26.240 the event drove back home so uh i after we clean up after you load everything in the car you go

00:34:33.240 home i'm driving home so i think john carter was there john carter's in the audience and he

00:34:38.920 drove home as well and so like we all got home around the same time i think like three or four

00:34:43.820 am and uh it's funny i didn't really have time to mentally recap it myself because i get home at

00:34:52.020 four three four whatever it is and uh you know i go to sleep and and i shower and i do all that

00:34:59.600 wash the stink of the city off me and then the kids are up at seven

00:35:04.960 like it's it's you're ready to go again yeah it's the next day and my wife is being wonderful she's

00:35:13.800 just sleep in i got the kids i'm like no like i came back because i didn't want to she was taking

00:35:17.920 care of them all day herself and then i'm like i don't want you to have to handle the circus that

00:35:23.400 is getting them ready and doing breakfast and everything so i'm going off of two hours sleep

00:35:28.320 the entire next day and then you're just right back into life it's not okay here's the things

00:35:34.440 we gotta do if they like and then once it ended like i didn't really get to think about it that

00:35:39.380 much really until right now and anyway your closing thoughts any anything i missed it was

00:35:44.840 the event of the year i challenge anyone yeah there's going to be a couple other events that

00:35:49.900 just didn't end oh that's yeah yeah that's right no that's right there's what i mean we don't have

00:35:54.400 to name names but yeah there were going to be some some other bigger ones but this was right

00:35:58.960 sized man it was perfect 60 people and tickets all sold out i mean you were getting calls

00:36:03.540 about tickets even a week before but we're already sold out i also wanted to mention

00:36:07.500 we recently launched our latest large video project titled how to make a canadian people

00:36:16.020 i view this as the sequel to the first one we released which had been around a year ago called

00:36:21.560 paving over the public and um a team worked on this uh our creative team it was written and

00:36:28.860 narrated by me but our videographer censored and on did an amazing job we have the same

00:36:35.300 soundtrack artist doing it the same musician nano side there's quite a few people who worked on this

00:36:41.740 and a great amount of care was put into it and that's on youtube that's on x that's on

00:36:49.900 substack as well if you check out the vanguardist journal substack you can find it on there and uh

00:36:55.660 So I'm really proud of this thing.

00:36:57.600 I think this one, the first one was great.

00:37:00.620 The first one might be easier to show people.

00:37:04.160 And we designed these large video projects.

00:37:07.160 I've been calling them documentaries, even though I don't really want to.

00:37:11.420 That sounds pretentious and wrong because I have an idea of what a documentary is.

00:37:16.860 There's a few different types of documentaries.

00:37:18.520 There's the one where it's just a camera following someone around.

00:37:21.580 that there's a documentary that's sort of sorting through archival footage and piecing it together

00:37:27.380 and then there's something like a century of self by adam curtis i would and this is gonna

00:37:36.840 get me in trouble i would relate this more to the century of self it's more you know trying to get

00:37:43.360 an idea across i wouldn't call it a video essay but i think it's bringing forth a lot of articles

00:37:51.100 that we'd written on the vanguard's journal the entire idea is how can you trigger an ethnogenesis

00:37:58.540 in the 21st century this pavement over the public was all about the history of mass migration in

00:38:03.980 canada okay but what is a canadian what is the canadian nation what is canadian nationalism

00:38:12.060 and so we get into the history of canada we get into the power politics of canada and on the back

00:38:18.540 half this is my favorite part but it gets really kind of trippy and weird and if you know the

00:38:24.600 vanguardist journal it starts pulling from some interesting sources and tying together some ideas

00:38:29.960 with the goal of giving a framework for how you could start your own nation on a smaller scale

00:38:38.520 what is a nation what what is the the model of a nation and how big does it have to be

00:38:45.360 to form a nation and does it start with families forming communities and communities forming

00:38:50.800 tribes and tribes forming clans and things at what level do you become a nation how you define

00:38:55.880 a nation and can that be done within a country like canada even though i'd make the argument

00:39:02.580 that canada actually functions more like an empire a very restricted empire because it

00:39:07.720 understands that it still has these contained ethnicities it's not one people it's it's the

00:39:13.640 french and the english and the scottish and the aboriginals as well so it's this hodgepodge of

00:39:19.320 identities it does not seek to make one coalesced identity so is it really a nation but one thing

00:39:27.880 that we found in uh in the various research we did on nation and i i don't know if it came up in

00:39:35.640 this one but even jurgen osterhamel's uh transformation of the world which we covered

00:39:40.040 on do you even read the show i do with the prudentialist an interesting element of

00:39:47.720 nationalists the nationalist movements that began in the 19th century because when we say nationalism

00:39:55.720 you can say oh the idea of a nation is ancient goes back to the medieval ages even before yes

00:40:02.280 yes yes but the nationalism as we know it is really a 19th century project and it all it

00:40:09.080 seems that you almost need to have a nationalist movement inside of a larger civilization inside

00:40:16.520 of an empire inside of some monarchical structure almost as a rebellion against it

00:40:22.920 that that pressurizes it um so that's you too if you want to start your own nation if you want to

00:40:30.520 trigger an ethnogenesis and start your own people within canada start what your idea of what a

00:40:37.800 canadian should be and we get into what what defines a folk what quality is defined for

00:40:45.000 this is how you can do it and i think this might be the place to do it and this might be the time

00:40:50.040 to do it so it's way more practical and um you know explicit than i think a lot of these sorts

00:40:59.400 of documentaries might be and again it's made to be viewable to by your parents or your co-workers

00:41:07.160 it's not you know schizophrenically hilarious like blood satellite you know i don't know if

00:41:13.400 you've got a chance to see it but that's what we're trying to accomplish with it what do you

00:41:17.960 think about that if you haven't seen it your thoughts based on that summary does that sound

00:41:23.400 interesting to you yeah yeah no it's it absolutely it's it's and it's critical that people understand

00:41:28.280 this and and consider it deeply so we're like 50 minutes in i don't know if we're talking about

00:41:33.960 anything anyone wants to hear about i think we should we should think we should give the people

00:41:39.340 what they want let's do a topic let's pick something from the hat did you hear that the

00:41:44.920 onion finally got a hold of info wars i i did yeah now info wars is facing liquidation to help

00:41:52.380 jones pay off more than one billion dollars in damages for defamation after he claimed

00:41:57.680 the sandy hook school shooting was a hoax nbc news correspondent marquise francis joins us now so

00:42:03.300 Marquise, what is The Onion proposing, and when could a judge perhaps make a decision?

00:42:07.060 Right, Morgan. Thus far, The Onion says it has reached an agreement to take over the far-right

00:42:11.300 site InfoWars, and as part of this deal, they're saying they're going to pay $80,000 to license

00:42:17.120 InfoWars from the court receivership. And this is just until the judicial stay is over,

00:42:22.120 which will take about six months, at which time they can potentially take over InfoWars.

00:42:26.620 so we're looking at infowars right now uh the well the onion.info so the title this was published

00:42:36.340 uh april 20th and they've been trying to get infowars they've been in a court battle with

00:42:41.800 jones the sandy hook families are involved somehow and then the infowars ownership was

00:42:50.680 on the line and for a while it's in but alex kept doing his show on infowars it seemed like

00:42:55.720 one happened but now it looks like it did happen and the title here at long last info wars is ours

00:43:03.240 and you know what they did they got the info wars logo but they made the onion the o

00:43:10.440 and also they made it rainbow colored damn son where'd you find

00:43:16.440 which i don't get like here's the thing i i'm not a long time follower of info wars i've been

00:43:21.480 been aware of alex jones since back in the day but i watch it every day as far as i know alex

00:43:27.960 jones isn't the most anti-gay guy out there i'm pretty sure like he he's had fucking blair white's

00:43:35.640 feet in his mouth yes so like to say that we're getting him by making a game like i don't he is

00:43:42.120 he's definitely pro homo yeah well their inclination is to make everything gay just

00:43:48.540 immediately but even regardless of whether or not it's getting the target but is it even about that

00:43:55.500 are they just gay like onion is gay and loves gay things so they're doing it for themselves

00:44:03.020 i was even talking to a buddy astral from astral flight simulation and uh he was saying i don't

00:44:08.220 have it pulled up in front of me but he was saying something along the lines of uh you know he's not

00:44:12.620 fan of alex jones but you know tim heidecker like tim heider has been by the way tim heidecker

00:44:19.660 is going to be the editor of this their new site the new site is going to be a parody of infowars

00:44:27.580 onion style articles with like a conspiratorial slant to it and tim heidecker is going to be in

00:44:33.100 charge of that but tim hecker has been doing uh an impression of alex jones like 10 years now

00:44:38.940 just doing the voice uh the folks at global tetrahedon have asked me to step in as uh

00:44:46.300 to run the show over there and become a big part of the future so we're uh exploring sorry

00:44:53.980 my name is tim heidecker the problem with that is that alex jones and i say this with all due

00:45:00.620 respect is a parody of himself he knows that yeah he he's aware of what he is so you that best you

00:45:10.480 can match his freak right like how do you parody that guy you're just joining him all they end up

00:45:17.680 doing is repeating what he says so like tim heidrick will go there i was like oh they're

00:45:23.860 turn the frogs gay patriot correct true facts true true fact and also that's just what he said

00:45:31.340 you're not adding anything because you don't know how to take that further they tear it all down

00:45:36.120 just so they can put it back up and just do the exact same thing oh yeah but it's gay now it was

00:45:41.240 already gay i'm in a company like it's finally ours and i said you spent an insane amount of

00:45:47.460 money to do an impression of a man you don't like in the name of dead children

00:45:53.180 what is this what yeah it's a long like i don't know who's applauding this who's

00:46:00.620 like who's gonna read this remember with all these media you have to ask who is this for

00:46:05.820 so like is it true that young shit libs are gonna read that are you guys gonna

00:46:11.660 they're renamed it to global tetrahedron are you guys gonna read global tetrahedron

00:46:16.760 are you going to watch are you going to read people doing a bad job of just doing infowars

00:46:23.060 which you could tune in at any day and you've got this bombastic showman who's doing the best

00:46:29.340 version of himself i miss bloated alex jones by the way i miss just cocaine alcoholic alex jones

00:46:37.340 i hate whatever he is now he's wearing bronzer he lost weight unfortunate i loved it when he was

00:46:44.680 just a screaming bell and but that you tune in that that's what you fucking get and then um

00:46:52.120 like i'm reading this article you want to hear this article starts let me tell you a story when

00:46:57.820 i was a child i suffered from night terrors it was always the same dream i could is this look

00:47:03.060 already i'm snoozing i've had a lot of time to think about infowars in the last year and a half

00:47:09.180 as the seasons have changed my ambitions for the project have grown grander crueler better

00:47:14.400 align with market data come friends and imagine with me again like to me this whole thing seems

00:47:19.800 bitter by the way i don't know how this benefits the parents of the children of sandy hook

00:47:25.200 you know what i mean like i i'm not a sandy hook truther necessarily but seeing their behavior

00:47:34.180 i'm gonna leave that sentence there yeah that sentence can go nowhere good right but i'm like

00:47:41.380 I don't you get he already apologized he'd apologized years ago for claiming that the

00:47:48.140 parents are crisis actors and like I'm trying to imagine if my kid was shot in a school

00:47:54.820 and then there was this guy saying that they weren't I mean it's been how long has it been

00:48:00.700 how long has it been since Sandy Hook by the way let's have a look at this at least 10 years it's

00:48:04.840 gotta be maybe 15 years 2012 yeah 14 years for so this dunk is 14 years in the making i'm like

00:48:14.880 are the parents celebrating this this is a weird this is a weird thing they brought they had to

00:48:20.560 bring the crisis actors back to celebrate it they had to bring us okay if if i see a picture of

00:48:26.760 these parents and they are visibly very happy at this i will know they're crisis actors yes because

00:48:34.640 this point i'd be like keep me out of this whatever what is this the onion is buying a site and you

00:48:40.160 got tim from tim and eric and then like this is so far from me as a parent right now this is some

00:48:47.120 other thing this is this is you like take revenge for taking down gawker or something this is some

00:48:53.600 like blood feud in website this is like this is like cards against humanity buying the easement

00:48:59.840 to cross from space nexus star factory so that they couldn't expand it and then like putting

00:49:04.880 endangered frogs or something there so that they couldn't do any construction

00:49:08.640 it's like why are you doing this fucking stop perfect look at this such is the info wars i

00:49:15.900 envision an infinite virtual surface teeming with ads not just ads but scams not just scams but lies

00:49:22.340 with no object free radical misinformation sentences and images so poorly thought out

00:49:27.900 that they're unhealthy even to view for just a few seconds the info wars of old

00:49:32.180 was only the prototype of the hell i know we can build together i love this actually

00:49:36.680 well the thing is i'm like if you're actually going to build that wouldn't that be cool

00:49:41.780 it's cool it's funny it does but but like why did you have to destroy the the existing thing

00:49:47.860 you could have just done this anywhere like i don't know we're reading it in a way that we

00:49:53.960 read this it's a funny bit like did you really have to pay like five billion dollars when i see

00:50:01.140 a liberal say hell that's a different hell than what i'm imagining he's like i want i want an ad

00:50:06.920 hell or something i'm like this is coming from weasley little shit lip fingers so it's he's

00:50:13.400 trying to figure a way to blame info wars for the world we inhabit like they're info wars is

00:50:18.460 misinformation why don't we do turbo misinformation i'm like well we haven't you still you brought

00:50:23.540 Jon Stewart back to do that. You have Jon

00:50:25.600 Oliver to do that. You know what I mean?

00:50:27.680 Your worst thing is not my worst

00:50:29.640 thing. My worst thing is still the best.

00:50:32.920 The Infowars

00:50:33.800 of Tomorrow will converge into a swirling

00:50:35.660 vortex of content about content,

00:50:37.680 talent acquiring talent, rings

00:50:39.500 of concentric media merges, processing

00:50:41.840 all human artistry

00:50:42.940 into one endlessly digestible story.

00:50:46.320 To me, it's

00:50:47.480 like you're not going to do that.

00:50:49.580 What you're going to do is you're going to start

00:50:51.460 something that looks like The Onion

00:50:52.660 where people just talk about the chemicals in the air or something like chemtrails and shit

00:51:00.380 no well look i'm not i didn't mean this to be in defense of alex jones i just think it's

00:51:05.360 it's a huge dumb waste of money and there has to be something else going on beyond just angry

00:51:11.180 parents for this to be worthwhile right what is what is the board what are the shareholders think

00:51:17.220 of this you are not getting your fucking money back from this purchase what the fuck man it's

00:51:21.800 really a bit and i imagine jane fonda shambling into the room waving a vhs tape overhead saying

00:51:29.880 we got it we got the pp tapes like oh you're still on that we're still doing that we still

00:51:38.120 okay another thing i wanted to talk about this game pragmata which i have not played

00:51:45.640 have you played pragmata no i don't i have not played video games in a while

00:51:50.160 neither have i but i'm looking at this game and i'm not even sure it's the type of game i would

00:51:56.720 play no just watching it it's i don't know i don't like i don't like japanese games i realize

00:52:03.500 this i try to force myself to like it because it's like on the surface level i'm like you guys

00:52:08.740 all like it i get i it seems like you're having fun and i want to have fun but i gotta tell you

00:52:12.940 i've never played like a square enix game that i that i could like gel with the characters and

00:52:19.780 enjoy it there's just something about it isn't it like i feel the same way yeah and it's not

00:52:24.580 against look i like japanese people it's not against them but like especially when they try

00:52:28.080 to do like um death stranding i haven't played death stranding but i've watched a lot of clips

00:52:31.820 of death stranding and it's like how can you how can you enjoy this you've got western actors

00:52:36.780 doing mocap delivering lines written by a japanese man and it's so fucking wooden and surreal and

00:52:44.480 bizarre and i get if you enjoy how bizarre it is then maybe but like i don't i don't like it it's

00:52:52.200 it's like uh it's like evil dead or something like it's so bad that it's good except that it's

00:52:56.960 not actually good not if you have to sit through 80 hours of it to finish the game it's like i'd

00:53:02.500 rather i'll just do something else with my because it's kojima he can't help but putting in a lot of

00:53:07.160 humor into it and it's the way they do their menus japanese people love menus yeah kojima's

00:53:14.840 an absolute hack they love when you finish a mission here's seven screens telling you how

00:53:20.600 you did here's all these bars filling up all these meters they love that and i i don't like that at

00:53:26.980 all and that's something to do with the eastern mind versus the western mind and i was thinking

00:53:32.260 about that just the other day i might have said this before but um let's talk about cinematography

00:53:37.820 east versus west and uh i was thinking of like chinese tv and japanese tv when you um if you've

00:53:47.540 seen their tv they love a lot of chyrons on the screen they love a lot of menus on the screen

00:53:53.220 they love things kind of bouncing around the screen and filling up the space you're talking

00:53:58.120 about like television programming yeah yeah yeah yeah but this kind of extends the movies

00:54:02.460 in a philosophical way and i'll just say in a second but this is how tv used to be over here

00:54:09.460 but not so much anymore because um that constantly reminds you that you're watching tv you become

00:54:16.080 very aware of the boundaries of the actual television set you're working on because things

00:54:21.360 are very clearly framed it doesn't draw you in and what i appreciate about western media it's

00:54:28.020 been this way for quite some time is it's very good at pulling you into the screen which is

00:54:33.200 something that the medium really and and this is like what video drone was talking about like this

00:54:39.580 the media itself has been aware of this i'm pulling you into the screen but i find that

00:54:44.240 television shows or anything on screen from the rest of the world it likes keeping you at a distance

00:54:49.860 instead of immersing you in it and so if the screen is kind of empty except for what it is

00:54:56.340 and that's why if you look at western cinematography and videography there's more

00:55:01.560 close-ups now i think in movies and tv than there's ever been in the past things were framed

00:55:07.340 differently in the 70s and 80s you got like full more full body stuff but here you're pulled in so

00:55:13.240 much to people's faces now now the reason could be that it's a way to make a show more cheaply

00:55:20.260 you don't need to spend as much money on sets you could really bring people into like people

00:55:26.180 having a conversation and you're zoomed in and being zoomed out is very expensive okay fair

00:55:32.600 enough but i i think that is the benefit of the media and and it's it's allowing that immersion

00:55:39.780 and i think you know when i see these kojima games it's always breaking the immersion for me

00:55:45.640 it's always reminding me that i'm playing a game and some of these best games i've ever played it's

00:55:51.600 like you're into and you're locked in and there's a fluidity to it and it doesn't break it doesn't

00:55:58.360 take a pause and remind you that's a game and there's no like mission complete screen so this

00:56:05.080 game pragmata how would we describe it so the third person action adventure shooter fighting

00:56:12.580 robots and then but there's a little girl in it and this is the big game mechanic right there's

00:56:19.420 a little girl and you're a guy and you're taking care of this girl who's also a robot and that's

00:56:25.400 about as much as i know about i don't know much about the plot does that sound about right or am

00:56:28.960 i missing anything yeah yeah there's like a little girl android it's always an android or like a

00:56:34.100 dragon or something right so you can get away with it being a little girl but it's yeah he's

00:56:38.920 actually an android you guys this this 14 year old slut's actually a thousand year old demon

00:56:44.680 okay okay buddy buck status what the sigma but there's this little girl and the discourse we

00:56:54.060 have surrounding this game is that this is a sexualized little girl and that there's a lot

00:57:00.700 of guys who are playing this game it's a popular game they like the game well reviewed and you got

00:57:06.780 some guys with a couple of takes the economy of takes is booming they're saying i play this game

00:57:13.300 and it makes me want to have a daughter it's it's pro taking care of a little girl your role it's

00:57:20.940 kind of i don't know it reminds me of like um an escort mission in a sense you know she's involved

00:57:26.980 she's riding on your back throughout the game you know chit-chatting and bantering and she's an npc

00:57:33.460 but on your side okay and then a lot of guys are loving this and then the reaction to that has been

00:57:41.780 you guys are all fucked up creeps right i i think almost like 50 50 reddit is banning

00:57:50.500 positive threads about this game whatever it might be i am di zero three three six seven

00:57:56.500 hang on a second don't you have a name or something neutralizing threats neutralize

00:58:05.780 us looks like we're gonna have to fight our way through

00:58:09.820 what are your initial thoughts on this game based on where this conversation is headed

00:58:24.120 i it's this there's a lot of different layers to this because if they want to say

00:58:28.840 there are creeps hey some of you people are creeps who sexualize children that's just a

00:58:36.980 fact i'm sure i have not looked but i know i'm old enough to know that if you were to look you

00:58:43.860 will find tons of user-made pornography of this this is what i heard that the subreddit needed to

00:58:52.340 take a very firm hand in banning that but the point is that isn't unique to this that's every

00:58:58.420 media franchise ever name one name to pick something out of the air and then go and

00:59:04.520 earnestly search for it and you will find

00:59:06.780 pornography of that character

00:59:08.860 so that isn't

00:59:10.960 I think it's

00:59:12.300 without knowing anything else about it

00:59:14.420 it's pretty stupid to lay that at the feet

00:59:16.900 of the players

00:59:17.640 the general player base of a

00:59:20.960 normal AAA game

00:59:22.200 and it's stupid to lay it immediately

00:59:24.960 without examining it at the feet

00:59:26.840 of the developers, now, that being said

00:59:29.000 the developers

00:59:30.760 aren't doing themselves any favors

00:59:32.240 because they did i think for again i haven't played this game i've just watched some clips

00:59:37.880 people are picking on the behavior of the girl i have a four and a six-year-old daughter the

00:59:43.560 behavior is actually pretty much spot on for like a six-year-old at least in like the the the cut

00:59:49.960 scenes where they're just like bonding and forming a relationship and she's asking questions and doing

00:59:54.380 stupid shit it's pretty much my six-year-old like people say that's not what a six-year-old is like

00:59:58.520 you don't have a fucking six-year-old daughter because that's what a six-year-old western girl

01:00:02.280 is like now the dialogue again because it's what is it code kojima the actual dialogue is dumb but

01:00:08.600 that's just kojima not knowing how to write english dialogue so that is what it is that

01:00:13.400 that's also the entire game that is also death stranding it's very i don't care who you have

01:00:18.520 reading it yeah that's trending had guillermo del toro you're pulling this thing up right now

01:00:23.320 where the she's like pointing to him then to her and he's like yeah and then to him to her to him

01:00:29.640 to her to him to her and then just like crossing her eyes and jumping up and down and spinning

01:00:33.760 around and that's like the funniest thing to her that's just six-year-olds man my six-year-old does

01:00:38.200 shit like that to me five times a day and it's funny to me because i'm her dad so they're like

01:00:43.340 that is a real interaction but they also i think you were saying and i didn't notice this until

01:00:48.560 you'd point it out but like the face of this android girl is not a child's face it's the face

01:00:53.700 of a grown woman and that's kind of fucked up that that's the question is how much of this

01:00:59.360 is just technical error and how much of it is purposeful just what you said there the debate

01:01:06.180 raging right now i shouldn't even say raging but just the debate i've witnessed has been

01:01:10.940 the parents arguing with each other because everyone assumes no one has kids but someone

01:01:16.100 will say like look i'm i got three daughters and they do not behave like this and someone else

01:01:20.900 says well i have four daughters and then they do you just kind of like what we're doing i have a

01:01:24.600 daughter but she's five months old so of course i don't know exactly how she's going to behave yet

01:01:29.600 but i also have like a three-year-old son and like i start to see stuff like this happen just

01:01:35.540 like how kids behave and they're saying like you know a girl her age they're a bit more uncertain

01:01:40.580 about their movements you know they stumble a bit more i'm like well that's just nitpicking really

01:01:45.380 like your kids are different are we gonna get she's also a robot it's also a fucking video game

01:01:50.400 like they're not gonna code it like not every npc movement's perfect right right right i think

01:01:55.740 you just step back to like get a top-down view of it it's not that she is a perfect uh platonic

01:02:01.940 representation of every six-year-old girl it's that her behavior is believable for a six-year-old

01:02:07.780 girl so you can't just it's stupid to say no kids act like that not all kids act like that

01:02:13.960 maybe you abuse your kid so your kid's afraid of you and doesn't laugh yeah okay fine your kid

01:02:19.460 fucking sucks and you're a bad parent but a lot of kids are actually fun and like to jump around

01:02:25.440 and that's the game that i think all the leftists were saying the ones who have kids saying that

01:02:29.440 these kids are nightmares you know my daughter had a an hour and a half meltdown because we

01:02:35.260 wouldn't let her have a real night you have bad kids and you're a fucking bad parent you're a

01:02:40.400 you're a horrible parent like you'll have kids who have tantrums occasionally they're just

01:02:45.840 telling on themselves it's hilarious yeah exactly but i'm like i i'm when my son even at this age

01:02:51.800 knows that something is dangerous like that's not really a debate like anyway i'm not gonna get into

01:02:56.500 the precise parenting of it of course kids can be different but yeah they're just they're just

01:03:01.660 saying how much they hate their kids and that's just sad to me that's very unfortunate but so

01:03:09.440 here's just one

01:03:11.720 take we've got from Mary Morgan

01:03:13.760 who's from the Timcast.

01:03:15.660 I don't watch the Timcast, so I don't know if she's

01:03:17.680 a host or whatever.

01:03:19.700 She says, lots of strange reactions

01:03:21.580 to this game. Let's clear some things

01:03:23.780 up. And I'm reading this because this is representative

01:03:26.040 of what I've seen

01:03:27.660 come from the other side on this.

01:03:29.900 She says, childless men do not

01:03:31.840 have paternal instincts the way that

01:03:33.580 childless women have maternal instincts.

01:03:35.860 That's just flat out false.

01:03:37.200 Wild claim.

01:03:40.140 Men first experience paternal instincts once they have their own children.

01:03:43.460 And typically those paternal instincts are only ever felt for their own children and no one else's.

01:03:48.380 You know, I'm just going to speak from my experience.

01:03:50.680 The only reason more guys aren't like more fun and forward with kids is because they don't want to be accused of being a pedophile.

01:03:58.980 Yeah, it's a sociological thing.

01:04:00.180 It's not, you don't make this about hormones or about desires.

01:04:04.000 men men have this we men naturally love kids the same way everybody loves kids kids are fucking

01:04:11.440 great there but men are like you said men men aren't allowed to publicly express love for

01:04:17.560 children like even i i mean you can get looks at the playground for being around your own fucking

01:04:23.000 kid if people assume that you're not their parent you know what i mean yeah what do you assume it's

01:04:27.640 just like hang talking to them because they want to talk to you but i'm thinking okay if i'm

01:04:34.200 talking to this kid and his parents not around i might be approached by a police officer soon

01:04:40.420 exactly that happens so i'm i have to run the other direction or if i want to help this guy

01:04:45.780 are you lost but now i have a six-year-old daughter she goes to the playground she plays

01:04:51.400 with a bunch of other kids i play with my daughter while she's playing with other kids

01:04:54.360 very often the other kids will talk to me

01:04:56.640 especially if they're like around her age

01:04:58.320 they will now start to strike up conversations with a parent

01:05:00.680 things I would never say

01:05:02.480 to another 6 year old who's playing with my daughter

01:05:05.060 wow you're so cute

01:05:07.020 oh isn't that dress

01:05:08.960 neat I think your dress is really cool

01:05:10.840 where did you get those shoes

01:05:12.180 can you imagine how quickly I'd be fucking arrested

01:05:14.900 if I said that

01:05:16.100 now if I were to say that

01:05:18.340 would that make me a fucking pedophile

01:05:19.820 or would it make me a dad

01:05:21.720 who's just talking to somebody else's kid

01:05:24.120 i don't even know why we should we shouldn't even have to have this fucking conversation

01:05:27.520 like this shit drives me insane and mary morgan fuck this bitch there's no fucking way this bitch

01:05:34.800 not she i guarantee you she doesn't have fucking kids and i she probably doesn't even have friends

01:05:40.200 or family members with kids she probably has like a fucking autistic cousin i think what she's

01:05:45.900 one of the one of the people who was saying something like this someone had asked them

01:05:50.860 do you have any kids and they said

01:05:53.260 I have several younger siblings

01:05:55.380 yeah there you go

01:05:56.580 there you go

01:05:57.680 I've got the memory of being young

01:06:01.540 once you might as well say that

01:06:03.040 here's the part that I love and this is

01:06:05.440 going to make you even more engaged

01:06:06.920 so she says

01:06:09.300 men don't have paternal instincts

01:06:11.160 then she goes men are not nurturers

01:06:13.300 men don't gush over kids in public

01:06:15.560 men don't have baby fever

01:06:17.160 if a man wants to possess a child for any reason

01:06:19.260 other than being a product of his own lineage he is likely a predator so i just wanted to

01:06:24.220 isolate that because up here she says men don't have paternal instincts like women and maternal

01:06:30.540 instincts what we see there is that no you just don't understand that you don't understand that

01:06:35.820 paternal instincts are different than maternal instincts it is true that men don't gush over

01:06:43.820 cute kids in public men don't have baby fever like women do i'm sure they do in some sense

01:06:50.580 because they want children but women really feel i get that and women are more nurturing

01:06:55.120 you know in a very feminine way yes but that those are maternal qualities those are not paternal

01:07:02.000 qualities but you're trying to say that i don't even have paternal qualities because i don't

01:07:05.580 remind you of what you feel here's a paternal quality if if i see my children my child or

01:07:12.720 children being snatched or you know in the process of being harassed by an adult i'll run over and

01:07:20.560 stab the guy in the throat that's a paternal instinct your maternal instinct is to scream and

01:07:26.800 cry and that's fine i'm not getting on your case for that but my paternal instincts are if if you

01:07:35.040 try and take my kids i'm going to kill you i want to kill you and feel nothing i'm not going to ptsd

01:07:40.320 from removing you from the world and that's just that's a guy thing which is which is paternal

01:07:45.820 and so the i think part of what she's confusing she's confusing the concept of paternal and

01:07:52.060 maternal instincts with the concept of parental bonding like a mother has maternal instincts and

01:07:58.040 a mother bonds with her child so she has certain relationships with her child which are guided by

01:08:04.360 her maternal instinct but are stronger with the child than with any other child because it's her

01:08:08.680 child she's bonded with it but that woman still feels a maternal instinct to every child she

01:08:14.800 meets she's just not bonded to them so it's not as strong it's the same thing with men all men

01:08:19.820 have a paternal instinct all men want to protect or i should say all fucking white men want to

01:08:26.840 protect children that is true this is different all children now we especially want to protect

01:08:34.340 our own children because we're bonded with them but any white dad at a playground if we see our

01:08:41.720 own kid getting abducted like you said we stab the guy in the throat if we see somebody else's

01:08:47.140 kid getting abducted we're probably still gonna run and stab the guy in the throat

01:08:51.900 it's not she's claiming it's all before men have children they have no concept of instincts at all

01:08:59.160 fuck off you teenager it's like i like where she says here it's like you know they don't uh

01:09:05.080 they don't gush over cute kid in public i'm like well i guess here's the difference if i just don't

01:09:10.100 have a family like i i don't that can't even count the number of times i've been at large family

01:09:15.000 events where male cousins or my brother has gushed over my kids and with them not having kids it's a

01:09:23.260 totally normal things oh you've grown so much you're looking like this is not like you again

01:09:29.380 she's just telling on herself that she has lives in an atomized society with no normal familiar

01:09:34.540 relationships as a reference where i was going with that was i think that she would only feel

01:09:39.740 any sort of emotional evocation with the cute babies she would hate to see a bad thing happen

01:09:46.060 to cute baby i bet she doesn't give a shit about the ugly babies the difference is that when we

01:09:50.340 defend children i'll defend the ugly ones i want to save them all yeah like to me it's not but i

01:09:56.600 don't care about the cuteness i don't care about the physical qualities like yeah yeah we're we're

01:10:01.260 dirtbag racist fascists we take care of all babies well honestly i've said this i'm probably on the

01:10:07.580 show before but i think one thing that is very troubling for people on our side is that we are

01:10:14.400 not as extreme as the average black or brown person you know at the event over the weekend

01:10:22.640 we had some pretty extreme guys guys who would advocate for some extreme positions

01:10:28.100 but i bet they would not go into the street and punch an elderly black woman in the back of the

01:10:37.420 head like what black teenagers were doing to white seniors with the knockout game that's all the

01:10:44.700 knockout game was guys do you remember that those are black teenagers physically assaulted and

01:10:50.220 nearly killed old white people all across america and in nursing homes by the way and they thought

01:10:57.180 it was funny and they videoed it they recorded it because they thought it was hilarious like

01:11:03.740 friendly fash is not going to go out there

01:11:07.100 and start being the shit out of old black

01:11:09.040 ladies. I know we might joke about it

01:11:11.220 but he's not going to do it.

01:11:13.520 Furthermore, you're way

01:11:15.180 more likely to see just a

01:11:16.680 regular black person

01:11:19.020 abuse a white child.

01:11:21.860 But I don't think

01:11:23.180 the worst Nazi

01:11:24.440 that, you know, they have their opinions about

01:11:27.120 mass migration and the Jews and this

01:11:29.180 and that but you know what, I bet they're not going to punch

01:11:31.320 like a Chinese baby in

01:11:33.200 the face yeah i bet you anything name and that's just a different name the black canon heinand

01:11:38.780 remember canon heinand where's the black canon heinand it's always a white kid it's always a

01:11:45.100 white kid crying in the neighbor's yard because his balloon flew away and the neighbor blows his

01:11:50.700 fucking head off because the neighbor's a nigger it's never it's never a black toddler in a white

01:11:57.240 yard yeah and and so like our understanding of of children i guess is just localized to us but

01:12:04.220 like i don't know because to us it's about duty it's about it's about all these abstract things

01:12:09.040 and we we apprehend abstract ideas differently in men and women but i'm like i'm telling you

01:12:13.860 the paternal instincts are what are going to get the ugly kid saved we'll go to the mad for a down

01:12:20.360 syndrome kid are you going to do that bitch i bet you're not i want them in the mix they're good

01:12:27.000 they make the they make they make buildings better but i mean construct buildings just

01:12:32.020 having them in buildings it's great it's great energy to add to it um now i just want to share

01:12:39.400 the counter point and i'm looking at josh moon from owner of kiwi farms he says the father

01:12:45.160 daughter trope has been done by other games better and he mentions the last of us and there's some

01:12:51.580 other games like that he says i've never seen anyone bring up ellie from the last of us to

01:12:55.560 defend pragmata because when you put them side

01:12:57.660 by side it's so obvious

01:12:59.520 what's wrong Capcom didn't make Diana

01:13:01.660 Japanese because they have respect for their

01:13:03.620 own girls and

01:13:05.460 he says it's the normalization

01:13:07.660 of lolly shit and paying

01:13:09.360 trannies to advertise your game

01:13:11.160 which is so black villain because we got

01:13:13.460 the claim is that

01:13:15.720 this girl is designed

01:13:17.580 almost like a child sex doll and the

01:13:19.540 problem is anytime

01:13:21.440 someone says that anyone

01:13:22.920 like we had said the way they design her

01:13:25.520 face is very distinct it's like an adult woman's face on a smaller body you say that's kind of

01:13:31.520 weird and they say no you're weird for noticing you're it's you who is sexualizing her and so

01:13:36.900 you almost don't even want to engage with it at that point like okay i can't say this is pedophilic

01:13:41.940 unless i'm a pedophile right there it's such a strange bomb you need to diffuse but i i started

01:13:50.740 looking into it like i see the one side of this now i'm starting to see the other and i saw this

01:13:57.340 post i don't know anything about this individual but um not the best intro he says as an artist

01:14:04.740 who studies anatomy of all ages because i know i know exactly what the issue here is with her

01:14:09.920 design but i'm not going to say anything because last time i did the most insufferable incel

01:14:14.560 corner of the internet dog piled dog piled me so you know here's a guy who says incel here's

01:14:20.380 a guy who says i'm on a hell site you know but i thought he made some interesting points from a

01:14:24.860 design perspective i wanted to get your input on this as a very design-minded man he says she's not

01:14:31.280 exactly a realistic depiction of a child for being in a game that prides itself on realism the main

01:14:36.580 issue is that she looks like she was created for a certain audience the best comparison i can make

01:14:40.580 is between her and emily from resident evil requiem both caucasian children of the same age

01:14:47.020 similar color palette what makes emily's design read as realistic is her features and mannerisms

01:14:53.020 her deep set eyes create a sunken look her skin is clear but not perfect her wearing a dress makes

01:14:59.400 sense to her backstory as for diana from this uh other game pragmata just dropped she's wearing a

01:15:06.440 puff jacket that only covers her upper body has thick long and luscious hair that doesn't exactly

01:15:11.660 fit a child she looks like she's wearing no makeup makeup her brows are groomed look like she has

01:15:18.040 mascara blush and lip gloss on yeah which is true no skin imperfect she looks like a child actor

01:15:25.420 rather than an average child she has the facial features of an adult with the proportions of a

01:15:31.120 child her face shares more similarities to grace an adult woman from requiem than emily who would

01:15:37.220 the child in that game um i know she says she doesn't behave like an actual time i mean that

01:15:42.740 that's subjective but there's like an image here what she did he did on the right there is like a

01:15:47.220 four-year-old and then and diana is supposed to be a bit older i think yeah but i mean i agree with

01:15:53.140 him that the facial features they put on the left like the actual facial features in the game are

01:15:59.300 essentially adult facial features yeah and she does have lip gloss and mascara and like plucked

01:16:04.020 eyebrows and she's she's her face is done up you know what it is it's like fucking cuties or

01:16:08.580 whatever well someone made a point in the chat it was like um somewhere like child pageant yeah yeah

01:16:13.900 child pageant exactly it's like a like a child pageant which again which is by very reasonably

01:16:20.380 under all the same criticisms as this fucking game which is the sexualization of young children

01:16:24.940 so i i have to agree there's at least there's somewhere in the middle they are actually

01:16:30.540 sexualizing this character the other part of is you were saying earlier about the difference

01:16:34.540 between western and eastern cinema somebody had brought up the fact that ellie from the last of

01:16:39.120 us is it that that's another case in west in western a western game where you have like a

01:16:44.980 father daughter relationship or like a man an older man kind of adopts a young girl to protect her

01:16:51.520 in a crisis and that character is completely unsexualized she's not pretty she's usually

01:17:00.000 covered in mud and she's fucking rude but real and i have to say i i this is me again i prefer

01:17:10.560 the last of us to this shit even though it's kind of gay but it's it's just it's more it's more

01:17:16.580 it's more realistic in that that is what an actual i mean i'm sorry people just want everything to be

01:17:22.740 beautiful all the time that's what an actual fucking woman looks like that's what a regular

01:17:26.000 bitch looks like this is not what a six-year-old looks like this is what a pageant maybe like a

01:17:31.540 south carolina beauty pageant six-year-old looks like which is already a little bit controversial

01:17:36.740 and maybe you need to make that part of the plot of the game too but um the last of us correct me

01:17:44.320 if i'm wrong because i'm trying to remember the first and the second so in the first i think she

01:17:49.340 seems like unsexualized nothing's going on between those two but she just seemed like a girl in the

01:17:57.020 second one i recall her getting into some kind of lesbian relationship yeah in the second one

01:18:02.020 they make her gay and she has a gay partner who's like so they sexualize it only to make her gay

01:18:07.640 but so this is the issue with western games is they go out of their way to make people

01:18:12.660 unrealistically gay and unrealistically ugly and unrealistically black so they go the other

01:18:17.920 direction with it the japanese make every single character a blue-eyed blonde lolly

01:18:25.080 can you just stop can we meet in the middle somewhere do we have please just so we we can

01:18:34.240 stop pretending that both sides are pedophiles you both suck you're both you're both degenerate

01:18:41.220 on opposite ends of the spectrum the larger thing that i hate it's that it's part of this

01:18:47.100 a shift i've been seeing where leftists liberals too but mainly leftists are just calling us

01:18:53.620 pedophiles now which like they like this not because they care about being against pedophilia

01:19:01.580 like we have been doing for so long like not us but people within this milieu you know we were

01:19:08.080 called you know obsessive freaks for even caring about this and then something happened where they

01:19:13.060 started to admit that there was some kind of issue in society and now they're saying well actually

01:19:17.300 the conservatives are the only pedophiles it's not that the least pedophilic people on earth

01:19:22.260 are gay men right it's it's actually the traditionalists and that's what you see

01:19:28.700 everywhere it's like you like hassan piker calling you know fascist pedophiles it's like

01:19:34.840 you're surrounded by literal pedophiles yeah i mean piker is also a pedophile like on record

01:19:40.240 there's so many clips of him you mean pedophile as if to say like creepy you're a creepy guy i'm

01:19:46.240 like no i mean like you you're surrounded by people who molest children you're surrounded

01:19:49.680 by gay men and openly openly rationalize and moralize having sex with children and you're

01:19:57.220 the side that's been doing that on record for 70 years like this is gaslighting and i just hate

01:20:04.660 this like this is an example it's like anyone who likes this game's a pedophile and i'm sorry i think

01:20:09.900 this is a serious issue i think the prevalence of child sex abuse in society we've only begun

01:20:17.320 to grasp the depths of that and these people they don't they're being flippant about it

01:20:23.600 they're using as gotcha they're using it to just own the conservatives own the chuds and like i was

01:20:30.820 never using this to just own the left i i think the more we abuse this the more we the more we

01:20:38.680 polluted we toxified we make it something that no one wants to talk about anymore we can't talk

01:20:43.240 about grooming anymore by the way there is a problem with grooming gangs and that's how the

01:20:49.060 context of how the word grooming was used because it's like in a very narrow serious way and then

01:20:55.000 that entire discourse has been polluted because grooming now means a 32 year old who's talking

01:21:01.260 to a 23 year old you know i mean like every everything is grooming yeah everything is

01:21:06.980 pedophilia everything it's that that means we can't talk about it anymore next year this is

01:21:12.060 going to be out because people are sick of it because it's been ruined by faggots it's been

01:21:17.080 ruined by leftists i'm not saying they're even doing it consciously i think they're thrashing

01:21:21.340 around and trying to figure out how to exist in this paradigm that is hostile to them and saying

01:21:26.120 no you but i don't know i just did more than anything that grinds my gears because once this

01:21:32.960 all goes away it's gonna be us again standing here all all the same motherfuckers who cared

01:21:40.360 about this for a long time before are gonna be the only ones who care about it after after these

01:21:45.540 mainstream fucking queers and losers and grifters and careerists get tired of it and go on to the

01:21:52.640 next thing i know we gotta get started on the book now there are some other things i thought

01:21:58.840 i thought we could cover very briefly you know what i just want to get on this like

01:22:03.300 real real quick because it's in the news right now what's the judas take on cash patel and the

01:22:11.960 doj going after the southern poverty law center you heard this yeah i was just talking to the

01:22:18.260 wife about that yesterday i mean i i didn't read too much into it it's just funny to me that all of

01:22:23.520 the uh all of the far right extremist organizations that they named as being supported by the spLC

01:22:31.540 seem to largely be organizations that we knew were controlled ops and are the ones that are

01:22:37.080 just so flagrantly kind of like you know we're the nazi party of america it's the kkk like nobody

01:22:45.140 has anybody cared about this shit for 30 40 years it's you know what i mean like they're not actually

01:22:50.600 naming any real actual organized groups it's just the one and then guess what the groups that

01:22:56.460 they're naming are also the groups they've been using as boogeyman still like the kkk is somehow

01:23:01.840 their boogeyman of the 21st century i wonder why it's because they're funding it it's their

01:23:06.620 operation the southern poverty law center themselves advertise to raise money to dismantle

01:23:13.120 violent extremist groups for a period of at least a decade they use their donor network to raise

01:23:17.980 money to purportedly dismantle violent extremist groups. However, the SPLC, the Southern Poverty

01:23:23.580 Law Center, used the money they raised from their donor network to actually pay the leadership of

01:23:28.760 these very groups. I just want to say that again. They used the fraudulently raised money by lying

01:23:33.620 to their donor network, thousands of Americans, to go ahead and actually pay the leadership of

01:23:38.280 these supposed violent extremist groups. I think there's a wrong way to interpret

01:23:44.560 what's going on here so just to summarize what's going on uh the department of justice uh announced

01:23:52.460 an 11 count indictment against the sblc including bank and wire fraud charging the group in

01:23:57.700 connection with a now defunct program that used paid informants to monitor extremist groups

01:24:03.360 uh so the sblc has increasingly become the target of the right due to its work in monitoring

01:24:08.500 extremist groups the indictment just 14 pages details number of a number of informants employed

01:24:14.820 by the sblc including those monitoring the planning of the 2017 unite the right rally in charlottesville

01:24:22.980 um a neo-nazi group and the ku klux klan and other white supremacists and anti-semitic groups

01:24:28.500 so i'm seeing i've it's the darndest thing for the night the right rally i've seen people who

01:24:39.400 attended that rally who are now saying that well i guess the entire alt-right was just a big psyop

01:24:46.520 like you you were there these are like old heads they're saying that we were all psyoped it wasn't

01:24:54.060 real it was all just a cia cutout operation i'm like okay first of all like just people want to

01:25:01.060 say that people want to say oh this the right is just influent that there would be no online right

01:25:07.320 without you know being paid for by the cia we call that fed jacketing and and that i don't people who

01:25:16.940 should know better are doing that and i would like to caution people like by keeping an eye on like

01:25:22.620 what is actually going on here first of all it's an indictment so it's not even proven yet they

01:25:28.140 they say they have evidence but you know we've read the documents no one's actually named there's

01:25:33.180 individuals that have code names that are used but it's not like and we're not witnessing a trial

01:25:38.860 right now also keep in mind they're talking about specific individuals they're not saying that they

01:25:46.140 funded the entire movement or started their own shows or anything because remember this is how

01:25:53.420 feds tend to operate they don't start groups what they do is they infiltrate groups they subvert

01:25:59.580 groups they wait for something that's already there then they turn one or two people what

01:26:05.260 people are hoping for was seeing patriot front in their patriot front's not there none of the shows

01:26:10.380 you remember are or have heard of are in here that's what i mean none of none of the current

01:26:15.100 active groups that matter are in there i i'm gonna just read a post here there's a couple

01:26:21.500 posts that i think have the right way of looking at this one this was just forwarded in a group

01:26:27.020 chat by uh taf i'm not sure what that group's name is but uh um he says the splc was not funding

01:26:35.340 racist groups to enable their racism they in fact were not funding racist groups at all

01:26:40.620 what they were doing was funding bad actors within groups with the intention of destroying

01:26:45.180 those groups from the inside let's take a look at few examples and i like these he says

01:26:51.100 one informant named f42 is almost certainly eric glebe the man who ruined and almost destroyed the

01:26:58.700 national alliance after the death of dr william luther pierce by the time he was removed the

01:27:04.140 national alliance had zero influence and had turned into a non-member organization an irrelevant

01:27:08.700 joke and we know this because we covered the biography of william luther pierce informant

01:27:14.860 known as f37 helped organize the unite the right rally in charlottesville an absolute disaster

01:27:20.860 informant f9 stole crucial national alliance documents which allowed the sblc to write

01:27:27.180 numerous embarrassing articles about the na uh they were also able to reveal that a prominent

01:27:32.700 baltimore attorney was a member so these are just insiders in these groups uh leaking the

01:27:37.740 shit after f30 is paul mullet or mullet an absolute buffoon who assisted in the downfall

01:27:44.620 of the aryan nations with his retarded splinter group and made the broader movement look like a

01:27:49.580 joke via his convictions for theft and generally idiotic behavior f43 led the american front during

01:27:56.460 its decline into total irrelevance see see what we mean the splc was not trying to prop up the

01:28:03.420 racialist movement by funding they were trying to destroy it by bribing traitorous retards thereby

01:28:09.660 leading to the downfall of the groups that they were involved with this is a hugely important

01:28:14.220 distinction i tend to agree with that this is how they operate they try and control the groups that

01:28:19.100 didn't whether it's through ineptitude or that's their strategy the entire time they end up

01:28:23.820 destroying the groups and this is when you hear about adam waffen being infiltrated by by feds

01:28:29.420 true adam often like they started on their own then feds got involved and then but i mean i guess my

01:28:35.580 thing is like but adam often was also from front to back really dumb and gay exactly but it was

01:28:42.220 up their alley so it was dumb and it was ultimately the as dumb and gay as possible due to federal

01:28:48.220 involvement but even without the feds they were still dumb and gay yeah yeah and then you

01:28:55.020 also had a pretty good take on this richard spencer we must give credit where creds do

01:29:01.420 big spence i like a fat spencer it's been he's gained some weight he's got a mustache usually

01:29:08.620 to mock him now it's the greatest thing in the world from this is a guy who needed to gain a few

01:29:13.500 pounds i think we should put richard spencer on a on an open pit barbecue now that he's fatter

01:29:19.180 well because you're you're getting into the grill mode right now like it's yeah it's

01:29:22.380 spring summer and i think we should grill spencer alive i had to grill out just today doing some

01:29:29.420 greek pork chops oh i'm getting into habit coming out so you look at spencer you're thinking i got

01:29:36.120 that smoker out back out and fired up think of the opportunity for long pig long long pig that's

01:29:43.900 right but he says here just mentioning a few things but he says it's good that the spLC is

01:29:50.100 being targeted he says cash patel is such a clownish figure that's difficult to take anything

01:29:55.140 he says he signs off on seriously um he says the exposure of a paid informant in the alt-right will

01:30:01.080 quickly allow conservatives to claim that everything they don't like is a hoax scam spLC front etc

01:30:08.640 they did this with january 6 in which they treated participants as victims of antifa or fed plotters

01:30:14.120 never holding trump responsible number three the politics that conservatives take for granted is

01:30:19.960 to a tremendous degree a front beholden to highly self-interested donors and foreign actors.

01:30:25.820 This indictment will further their obliviousness to that reality. Yes, if the allegations are true,

01:30:31.720 there might be a self-fulfilling prophecy quality of the SBLC. They fund the racists that they

01:30:35.760 report on, but the indictment is over an informant who might have helped out logistically, and that's

01:30:40.500 about it. But I return to the idea of fed jacketing. My fear is that, as we said before,

01:30:47.000 people are going to get very very excited about this people maybe been in this movement for a

01:30:51.860 long time and say i knew it i knew there was feds everywhere i knew this whole thing was corrupt

01:30:58.000 i'm like that could be the strategy to make the scene think like it's not even real guys

01:31:04.080 let's remember what the unite the right rally was about i wasn't there but i've never really

01:31:11.280 spoken ill about it because i think it was a group of guys there's a lot of people there david duke

01:31:16.500 was there all people all sorts of people on the ground spencer was there um other leaders and

01:31:22.280 they were defending the statue of robert e lee that was threatened to be taken down and the only

01:31:29.940 people who showed up to defend this confederate general from doing they wanted to do what they

01:31:37.600 ended up doing which is melting it down they were the only ones defending it and antifa showed up

01:31:42.620 in unprecedented numbers they were betrayed by the mayor they were betrayed by the police they

01:31:49.460 did everything by the book they they signed all the paperwork they did everything legally

01:31:54.480 and they were fucked over i don't see there's anything wrong with what they did i'll still

01:32:01.140 defend it so i i will not accept the narrative that that was all an outrageously stupid fed

01:32:09.260 plot to make white people look bad it was a bunch of white guys doing what they should have done

01:32:14.220 maybe there was a few more swastikas drawn on plastic shields than i would have liked

01:32:19.760 whatever but the spirit of the thing there should be more of that the the takeaway from here shouldn't

01:32:26.560 be that white guys trying to organize legally and in any coordinated fashion should be under

01:32:34.860 suspicion for being feds we are every group deals with that already i'm i'm afraid that that that's

01:32:41.100 the lasting damage from people taking this sort of shit too far yeah no that's i mean that's

01:32:46.180 reasonable that's reasonable yeah so i just uh we'll see what happens we'll we'll keep an eye

01:32:53.200 on this story but uh we were wondering who else the feds could be who else the infiltrators were

01:33:00.580 and i had said i hope it's chris can't well i just i'm coming up with guys i don't like

01:33:10.180 like matthew heimbach might have been one but i don't know well it's like it's like the the flip

01:33:15.860 side of of fed jacketing is the no true scotsman or we can just take all the clowns

01:33:21.780 you know post facto and say oh they were actually working for the government that

01:33:25.940 there they weren't us though you see because they're fat retarded losers who couldn't follow

01:33:31.300 instructions and couldn't you know get their own head out of their ass and it turns out it's because

01:33:36.340 they were all government employees it wasn't just because they were retarded like in fairness

01:33:41.700 heimbach was probably just retarded oh he was and he's still can't well is just a schizophrenic

01:33:47.540 gay meth head and he had too much sodomy he had too much meth just too much gay sex he's got the

01:33:54.660 momentum of a guy who was

01:33:56.660 getting a government check and then it suddenly

01:33:58.640 stopped and then he just went off the

01:34:00.720 rails. When these

01:34:02.700 guys lose their state jobs

01:34:04.640 they don't know what to do with themselves. They can't make

01:34:06.700 it in the private world.

01:34:08.460 Yeah, call him Hamilton.

01:34:10.680 Call him Oshawa Hamilton.

01:34:13.020 Yeah, call him Oshawa Hamilton.

01:34:17.240 No one's going to know what that means.

01:34:19.120 I only half know what it means.

01:34:20.780 um so i wanted we're not gonna have too much time to cover this book but i'll do a bunch of reading

01:34:28.340 from it that i think is interesting the title of the book is spy schools how the cia fbi and

01:34:35.980 foreign intelligence secretly exploit america's universities by daniel golden i read this a while

01:34:42.180 ago i thought it was really interesting it was recommended to me it's a pretty easy read um i

01:34:47.800 forget who recommended it to me it by the start of it it really focused on china chinese infiltration

01:34:55.820 into primarily american academia it focuses on american ivy league schools we're talking mit

01:35:01.440 stanford harvard the ones that will be most popular for foreign uh spies basically where

01:35:09.840 the technology is being developed where the tenureships are and uh but then as it went

01:35:16.500 throughout the book it expanded into cuba started talking about other nations and then it started

01:35:23.360 talking about the cia and fbi so they were not exempt from this about how domestic intelligence

01:35:29.500 agencies have an interest in schools um mainly universities i don't think they have much of an

01:35:35.180 interest in technical colleges but it was so interesting it's such a story that we're all

01:35:42.280 used to hearing about we're so familiar with you know infiltration in schools stealing

01:35:48.460 data stealing research that happens in Canada too but it also mainly happens in America just

01:35:54.460 through the numbers alone and um how lax they are with their admissions it's like a it's a

01:36:01.360 huge pain point in America but we're so tired of hearing it I think it's good to remind ourselves

01:36:08.620 what's going on about the battle that's going on over schools and i don't know i'd like to just

01:36:16.040 read a few parts here and you might find this interesting what do you think you want to hear

01:36:20.300 some stuff let's hear it buddy let's have it now he says academic research offers a valuable

01:36:26.360 vulnerable and low risk target for foreign espionage despite pursuing groundbreaking

01:36:32.060 technologies for the pentagon and intelligence community university laboratories are less

01:36:37.340 protected than their corporate counterparts reflecting a culture oriented towards collaboration

01:36:42.440 and publication typically university researchers aren't required to sign non-disclosure agreements

01:36:48.500 which run counter to the ethic of openness ignorance about intellectual policy safeguards

01:36:54.500 or even hostility towards them is rife among science students and faculty so i mean if you

01:37:00.380 know these people that will sound even programmers are like this they've got to serve an open source

01:37:05.640 i mean and it's frankly it's not an unreasonable it's not an unreasonable attitude to have if you

01:37:11.720 are actually like a public researcher at a public university so yeah and all the the process will

01:37:17.960 be and we'll get into detail about how it happens is let's just say chinese students get in there

01:37:22.760 and just steal the ideas and bring them back to china and start companies there and we'll get

01:37:28.760 into some examples of that but um i think my favorite one's coming up with one specific guy

01:37:33.720 but i just want to set it up first he says american taxpayers fund a significant amount

01:37:39.400 of academic research and development the u.s government spends 27.4 billion in 2014 on this

01:37:47.240 up from 16.9 billion in 2000 that includes 2.4 billion in 2014 for the pentagon and intelligence

01:37:54.280 agencies the bulk of federally funded university research though is fundamental and open to all

01:38:01.080 students since it can also be published without restriction one might wonder why bother stealing

01:38:06.420 it the answer to save time and avoid mistakes access can provide insights beyond the results

01:38:12.300 published in an academic journal so it's like they're stealing not only the ideas and the

01:38:18.320 research but they're stealing the specific processes they're stealing the algorithms

01:38:23.180 like and that's what stood out to me it's that look as you had said they're public universities

01:38:29.600 a lot of this research is out there you could pursue it on your own but they're not good at it

01:38:36.020 and i think that needs to be really underscored here in india in china all throughout the world

01:38:42.860 like these people are uncreative like they they would rather just steal the recipe than kind of

01:38:51.440 look at the finished dish and figure it out and maybe figure out a new way to do it you see what

01:38:55.700 say i'm using a cooking metaphor here but it's like no i need the exact recipe because i don't

01:38:59.860 know how to even begin thinking about this i'm a fucking boring asshole it's i've never come up

01:39:06.360 with a creative idea in my life i've only studied i've only studied through rote memorization and

01:39:12.960 i know how to pass tests i know how to pass tests and get into a room with smart people

01:39:18.140 and and pantomime that i'm intelligent but it's like when it comes to actually creating something

01:39:24.020 you can't fucking do it so that's why they steal that it's the reason why the white man wanted to

01:39:31.660 go to the moon the only reason india went into space is to follow white people and black people

01:39:38.840 have been complaining about it ever since it happened honestly they're like you're going

01:39:43.720 you're spending money going to mars when they're starving africans and i love that white people

01:39:49.700 at the place network say yeah correct yeah i'll i'll i i will surrender the lives of the entirety

01:39:58.820 of africa for one human footprint on mars if a mars sample return mission it results in 10 000

01:40:06.900 african children starving i say we killed two birds with one stone yeah i can achieve that

01:40:13.220 just by making ai videos depicting it and i'm doing it every every ai video depicting racism

01:40:21.620 actually takes water away from a starving child yeah that's what i'm told which is also like

01:40:27.940 grossly exactly they're telling you one waterfall dries up for every ai video you do i'm like shut

01:40:34.180 up shut up like enough of this like you're making up fresh water figures i just i know i've heard

01:40:41.300 this ship before yeah so getting fresh with the water fingers getting fresh with the water fingers

01:40:48.300 there it is it goes on he says what a former government official told me in the early stages

01:40:54.620 of my project quote both sides are exploiting universities proved to be true foreign and u.s

01:41:01.360 spy services alike prey on students and professors through deception and intimidation china entrapped

01:41:08.340 Glenn Duffy Shriver by paying him to write essays, the same trick the U.S. agents play on scientists

01:41:14.180 at academic conferences. American intelligence pressured Peng and Carlos Alvarez to spy an

01:41:20.660 Iranian nuclear scientist to defect, much as China warned a Chinese student in South Florida that

01:41:26.880 his parents' medical care depended on their cooperation. All services take advantage of

01:41:32.600 students ideological fervor as cuba did with marta rita velasquez and anna belen montez 40 years ago

01:41:41.680 after the church committee revealed the cia's ties to universities the agency defeated the harvard

01:41:47.220 led campaign to ban intelligence gathering by academics and deceptive recruiting of foreign

01:41:52.460 students since then the stigma on campus against working for u.s intelligence has faded after 9-11

01:42:00.160 Graham Spanner and other university

01:42:02.220 administrators welcomed U.S. intelligence

01:42:04.480 yet still goes on behind

01:42:06.180 their backs as in the FBI

01:42:07.960 questioning of Libyan students

01:42:10.300 like Mohamed Farad.

01:42:11.900 Invited or not, openly or not,

01:42:14.640 U.S. intelligence today

01:42:15.980 touches every facet of academic

01:42:18.300 life. That's really how

01:42:20.140 the book ends.

01:42:22.240 Yes, you're complaining about China,

01:42:24.100 you're complaining about Iran even

01:42:25.880 though it's a lesser issue

01:42:28.220 but the relationship

01:42:30.140 between the intelligence community

01:42:32.340 and academia has really changed

01:42:33.940 to the point where they don't even hide it anymore.

01:42:36.060 It used to be a controversial topic.

01:42:39.240 We don't want the FBI on campus.

01:42:41.120 We don't want the CIA on campus.

01:42:42.520 Now they don't give a shit.

01:42:43.880 Now the CIA holds classes there.

01:42:47.340 Do you want to be like Jack Ryan?

01:42:49.700 Is Jack Ryan the guy?

01:42:50.620 Who's the fucking Tom Clancy,

01:42:53.800 James Bond that's uninteresting,

01:42:57.060 played by Jim from The Office?

01:42:58.780 I think it's Jack Ryan.

01:43:00.140 just like the cia spook is the hero you can do that like people are open more open to that than

01:43:06.640 they used to be which is wild um i love the story of this guy named lou liu so it shows

01:43:18.680 how ignorant the professors are it shows the ambition of these students who infiltrate it

01:43:27.760 And it shows the entire ecosystem of how this works.

01:43:30.560 So I'll just read it here.

01:43:32.200 It says,

01:43:33.220 Chubby cheeked and endearingly boyish at the age of 32,

01:43:36.840 Liu had a lot to celebrate.

01:43:38.360 His majority stake in Guangchai science,

01:43:41.280 which is traded on the Hong Kong stock exchange,

01:43:44.260 made him a billionaire with a business empire

01:43:46.420 expanding to the United States, Norway, Canada, and New Zealand.

01:43:50.840 Chinese media dubbed him the Elon Musk of China,

01:43:54.580 equating him as a visionary with the iconic founder of Tesla.

01:43:58.840 Yet Lou's wealth and fame are a mask,

01:44:00.880 like a costume at the anniversary gala

01:44:02.920 or the invisibility cloak that he helped design

01:44:05.800 as a Duke graduate student in electrical engineering

01:44:09.640 under renowned professor David R. Smith.

01:44:13.760 They hide an unsettling reality that's never been made public.

01:44:17.340 He owes much of his success to what one might call

01:44:19.880 a higher education form of electronic sabotage, espionage.

01:44:23.820 rather lou exploited an unworry professor lacks collaboration guidelines and duke's open global

01:44:30.300 culture by funneling pentagon funded research to china he arranged for chinese researchers to visit

01:44:36.620 smith's lab and reproduce its equipment and pass them data and ideas developing by unwitting

01:44:43.020 colleagues at duke he secretly started a chinese website based on research at duke and deceived

01:44:48.620 smith into committing work to work part-time in china which like this story is so funny so

01:44:54.620 this guy named smith the professor was born in uh okinawa japan where his father served

01:45:00.860 in his military so i think he might have been either full white or half white anyway um

01:45:08.140 interesting guy he says uh in in june he co-authored an article in the prestigious

01:45:15.020 journal in june 2006 rather explaining how to make an invisibility cloak that's what this is

01:45:20.180 really about this guy this professor i'll spare you his biography but he had written about how

01:45:26.800 you could create a proper invisibility cloak and the military was interested everyone was

01:45:32.600 interested everyone's interested because it sounds like a sci-fi thing this is the sort of thing

01:45:37.000 wired magazine loves he talked about how you can get a hover car even if you're saying it as a joke

01:45:43.440 you can go on a podcast tour right so where smith was a late bloomer lou was something of a prodigy

01:45:50.240 born in shangzi province in northwest china he moved south at the age of nine to shenzhen lou

01:45:56.080 stepped into the void acting more like a professor than a mere graduate student he familiarized with

01:46:01.560 himself with all the projects in smith's lab and many in other duke engineering groups he was really

01:46:08.240 more of an organizer and manager than a scientist, Smith said. His strongest

01:46:12.440 skills were not in science, but he seemed to have an extraordinary ability to get others

01:46:16.260 to do things. Liu became the liaison between the Duke and China

01:46:20.240 teams. He had this kind of advantage, and this is a quote, he had this kind of advantage

01:46:24.480 of being able to shift between universes, our group, and the Chinese group.

01:46:29.740 And continuing on, he says, a whole bunch of us visited

01:46:32.540 China, recalled one of the students, who is now a professor at the University of Utah.

01:46:36.300 at the time we were pretty excited about it we'd never been to china they were great hosts it was

01:46:41.660 a really fun trip a lot of research was presented by the chinese and the visitors china paid for

01:46:46.940 everything smith almost backed out of the conference he told me he was hoping to save

01:46:51.540 one day for sightseeing but lou was demanding that he cancel his touring since the china was

01:46:57.620 paying for all their expenses he told them he should devote all this time to giving technical

01:47:01.200 advice to their representatives. Liu sought to enlist other Western metamaterials experts

01:47:08.120 besides Smith into this thing called Project 111. Now, Project 111 is one of a vast array

01:47:16.080 of Chinese brain game programs that, intentionally or not, encourage theft of intellectual property

01:47:22.620 from the U.S. universities. These initiatives to attract overseas scientists, especially

01:47:28.900 those born in china offer such generous salaries laboratory facilities and other incentives that a

01:47:35.300 borderline candidate may be tempted to improve his chances by bringing back somebody else's data or

01:47:40.300 ideas in march 2013 hua zhen zhao a research assistant at the medical medical college of

01:47:48.600 wisconsin was arrested and charged with stealing three vials of a cancer fighting compound from

01:47:53.820 his professor who had patented it zhao who claimed he invented the compound and wanted to bring it

01:47:59.560 to china for further study had applied for funding from chinese agencies that support research

01:48:04.660 for overseas recruitment equipment sorry recruitment so he says disdained by elite

01:48:13.060 scientists the talent programs appeal primarily to those on the fringes of american academia this

01:48:18.780 I found this very interesting. Untenured or adjunct professors, postdoctoral students with

01:48:25.560 uncertain prospects, they realize what China wants, which is rapid progress in these fields,

01:48:31.460 and may be tempted to enhance their credentials by plundering American research. So they're going

01:48:36.840 after academics who feel some sort of grievance with a system. I'm not getting where I should be.

01:48:44.680 i didn't get the tenure that i was promised you know this isn't what i thought it was

01:48:49.480 here comes china or anyone saying guess what you can be a rock star over here

01:48:54.220 and the sobeys did the same thing and to their credit maybe they let them live somewhat lavishly

01:49:00.340 but it's like you know by degrees they'll just get you to steal the data yourself and it's

01:49:06.440 it's a just a drop in the bucket for them um and he says uh duke university may have wanted to

01:49:14.120 avoid a brouhaha for another reason it was forging ahead of plans for a branch campus in china so

01:49:20.680 you're wondering why do the universities allow this so many universities they're allowing

01:49:25.960 themselves to be plundered by you know chinese companies or foreign companies but it's like

01:49:31.080 they recognize that they're getting more through tuitions or through opening up their you know

01:49:40.040 economy their their territory to allow their university to expand there or at least that's

01:49:47.680 the promise so they everyone's turning a blind eye to this at every fucking level because something's

01:49:53.720 in it for them so we look at this from the outside saying why you're surrendering our technology

01:49:59.120 america's technology to an enemy it's like they don't fucking care and apparently the

01:50:04.200 the american government only started caring recently but

01:50:07.540 all technological development is so porous like that you know i don't even know like like you

01:50:15.160 said before i don't know if you can have like nationalistic technological development at this

01:50:22.140 stage because so many scientists and so many technologists and programmers are maybe not

01:50:28.620 globalist in their thinking but most of them are very collaborative globally especially scientists

01:50:35.660 like you're not getting this would have been the case in you know you can 20th century you can have

01:50:40.860 it like you can have like operation paperclip or something right but you can't you can't expect to

01:50:47.340 it's like getting water from a stone if you're you're thinking you're going to get anything out

01:50:50.540 of a out of a public university right because not only the public universities trying to cooperate

01:50:56.140 with everybody but all of these other nations are going to be offering them money whereas you're

01:51:00.780 not offering them anything they might even be have animosity towards their own government so

01:51:06.700 yeah like you but if you want to if you want to have like nationalist technology you have to

01:51:12.620 bring them directly into the government pay them yourselves and lock them under an nda

01:51:17.900 you know in a lab somewhere yeah and that's what they failed to do with lou and his story it was

01:51:24.380 so funny just because he comes he does what every like chinese guy does which is like come in and

01:51:31.580 ace the test ace the test of conversation you know ace the test of being in a room with people

01:51:37.420 but people started to understand that he's not the best at science but he's great at like

01:51:42.700 publishing articles about research or getting his name out there getting his name associated with

01:51:48.460 research and they were saying he was running his own website in china claiming that a lot of people's

01:51:54.540 research was his own and it doesn't who cares it's just in chinese no one's looking into it but

01:52:01.660 they're like oh you're being academically dishonest someone should tell him that he's

01:52:06.220 being academically dishonest right and he's doing the as if he doesn't know exactly what he's yeah

01:52:11.580 he's like oh i did not know we can do that you know like just he's being called in front like

01:52:17.180 the smith guy speaking i'm like you can't do this he's like oh in china this is what we do

01:52:23.180 every day but he's oh and then he's so shrewd about it and he's literally just taking ideas

01:52:32.540 and concepts and starting either starting a business himself or passing it off to a brother

01:52:38.220 or a cousin and they spin up a company and everyone's aware this is going on these aren't

01:52:43.660 black market dealings which is like oh well

01:52:45.600 there I guess there's a Chinese

01:52:47.500 version now you know what was great for this

01:52:49.540 was the show Silicon Valley

01:52:51.160 have you watched that show?

01:52:53.340 No I've seen some clips of it but didn't that happen in the show

01:52:55.480 where the Chinese guy just takes all the

01:52:57.400 IP back to China? Yeah do me a favor

01:52:59.740 once you've done Succession

01:53:01.780 which we're going to talk about next episode by the way

01:53:03.780 you need to do yourself

01:53:05.780 a favor and watch Silicon Valley

01:53:07.220 I think it is an endlessly

01:53:09.260 relevant show for what we're going through right now

01:53:11.600 but one of the characters Jin Yang

01:53:13.480 who's just played by

01:53:15.960 a Chinese comedian in the West

01:53:17.860 doing an Asian accent but

01:53:19.480 one of the plot lines later on is

01:53:21.780 he literally does this he's like living in a

01:53:24.000 startup incubator

01:53:25.040 and smoking cigarettes

01:53:27.560 inside all the time being super Chinese

01:53:29.800 but like he takes

01:53:32.100 these days and goes back to China

01:53:33.380 and they find a whiteboard in his room

01:53:36.140 one day and it just says like

01:53:37.880 Chinese Facebook Chinese

01:53:40.040 Snapchat

01:53:40.600 and just like playing dumb the entire time but like this is uh plowing and they can do themselves

01:53:49.820 but it's probably going to be worse but you know look tiktok is a bad platform tiktok fucking sucks

01:53:56.960 it's not very i hate dealing with tiktok but i don't know they figured out a way to make it work

01:54:03.020 um what's interesting is once you kind of and we'll finish up soon but i wanted to get to

01:54:11.440 sort of the recruitment process because i found this the most interesting it says

01:54:14.900 it wasn't hard for the agents to establish contact with newcomers either directly or

01:54:20.380 through an intermediary such as a classmate or chinese american community member an agent

01:54:25.360 typically pretending to work for some cover company or group might arrange to run into a

01:54:31.000 student by accident a bump as it's known in espionage parlance in a relaxed setting such as

01:54:37.380 a ball game some agents even brought in their families something i didn't necessarily endorse

01:54:42.040 but i did recognize it was important to the chinese culture says one of the agents that

01:54:47.620 they're hearing for this initially the fbi preferred using chinese american agents to recruit

01:54:52.820 chinese students but smith soon found that the strategy could backfire it was well known down

01:54:59.520 it's quoting here it was well down the whole effort before a chinese american agent had true

01:55:05.560 success um which is interesting like it's easier dealing with trying to recruit a chinese person

01:55:11.800 as like a white guy than a chinese person um unfamiliar with the assimilation of second

01:55:18.720 generation chinese americans a newcomer will wonder whether the recruiter was secretly

01:55:23.100 represented taiwan or the people's republic how could a chinese american agent truly be loyal to

01:55:28.800 the u.s when they're chinese they might think which you wouldn't think about it's like oh i'm being

01:55:32.960 approached by someone who says that the cia but what if this is a chinese trick

01:55:39.760 that's a real that that you should think that right yes um and then he says uh one thing they

01:55:46.800 mentioned here that i found so interesting like china would be the biggest one right now iran is

01:55:50.800 lower down cuba used to be a problem but he makes a note here he says that was more of a problem

01:55:57.520 under fidel castro and he says cuba never paid their spies very well the spies that they had

01:56:06.160 were just inspired by the struggle for liberation of castro and then the cuban revolution you were

01:56:11.920 just a fan of the cuban revolution kind of the soviet union like people were inspired you know

01:56:18.000 whether foolishly or not by the soviet union but uh once that fell you just have russia you know

01:56:25.200 Russia better pay because no one's inspired by Russia.

01:56:29.160 Whatever Cuba is now, it's not cool and exciting.

01:56:33.020 It's just a state capitalist oligarchy.

01:56:38.260 So as Cuba has become less cool and less interesting

01:56:43.120 and stayed the exact same cash-strapped,

01:56:47.740 their spies have just kind of withered on the vine.

01:56:52.020 And I'm going to just skip ahead here

01:56:54.060 because i really want to get this out it spends a lot of time on iran cuba china but the back end

01:56:59.080 of the book is with the cia and fbi and he makes some really interesting points here he says a

01:57:04.300 generational shift also underlies the increasing ties between the intelligence community and

01:57:09.240 academia baby boomer professors who grew up protesting the cia aided misadventures in the

01:57:15.820 60s the bay of pigs to the vietnam war began to retire replaced by those shaped by the soviet

01:57:21.880 invasion of afghanistan the first gulf war and 9-11 younger faculty are more likely to regard

01:57:28.160 the collecting and sifting of intelligence as a vital tool for a nation under threat and a

01:57:33.700 patriotic duty compatible with or even desirable for academic research so i think like the younger

01:57:39.860 generations don't give as much of a shit about this whether that's good or bad um

01:57:45.340 he says in perhaps its most audacious and elaborate incursion into academia the cia

01:57:53.000 secretly spent millions of dollars staging scientific conferences around the world

01:57:57.940 its purpose was to lure iranian nuclear scientists out of their homeland and into an accessible

01:58:03.820 setting where its intelligence officers could approach them one-on-one and press them to

01:58:08.000 effect so that was always a thing like it's never you're just cornered by an agent the process is

01:58:13.520 always okay we're going to engineer a situation that could be attractive to you just a conference

01:58:20.280 a party whatever but you're the target you or maybe a few other people then you're bumped by

01:58:26.800 someone and then you're in the conversation and then they are trying to get you to go to another

01:58:31.120 location now you're having dinner now you're talking one-on-one now you're teasing it out

01:58:35.760 then you bring in another person there's like seven to eight links in this chain of recruitment

01:58:41.860 and there's a lot of people involved but he makes a good point in the book he says

01:58:45.620 at the end of the day really what you're looking for is pissed off people if you're the CIA and

01:58:52.860 you want to recruit someone from China you kind of need to start with someone that doesn't like

01:58:57.860 China a Chinese person who doesn't like the regime maybe he's got beef with the government

01:59:02.920 doesn't like Zhao Jinping or something that happened to his family whatever it is just like

01:59:07.640 how they recruit americans it's probably pretty easy to recruit if it's russia china whoever

01:59:15.160 an american who's very unhappy with america like and uh i think that's just an ironclad rule like

01:59:22.200 you can only turn a spy into someone who's already a traitor but maybe that's why these

01:59:28.360 spy agencies don't really care about who they recruit because this person is a traitor right

01:59:34.280 this person is not loyal to us

01:59:36.440 they betray their fucking country

01:59:38.580 why wouldn't we toss them aside

01:59:40.340 at the first instance right

01:59:41.860 so they better be fucking paying well

01:59:44.360 because they will throw you under the bus

01:59:46.260 because they don't respect you

01:59:47.680 so as popularized by globalization

01:59:52.640 these social and intellectual rituals

01:59:55.800 and these conferences become ubiquitous

01:59:58.060 like stops on the world golf or tennis circuit

02:00:01.080 they sprout up wherever the climate is favorable

02:00:03.400 and draw a jet-setting crowd.

02:00:05.760 What they lack in prize money, they make up for in prestige.

02:00:08.680 While a university campus may have only one or two professors of interest to the intelligence service,

02:00:14.740 the right conference may have dozens.

02:00:18.700 The CIA monitors upcoming conferences worldwide and identifies those with interest,

02:00:24.220 said David Albright, the president for the Institute for Science and International Security.

02:00:28.920 suppose there's an international conference in pakistan on centrifuge technology the cia would

02:00:34.560 send its own agent undercover or enlist a professor who might be going anyway to report back if it

02:00:40.600 learns that an iranian nuclear scientist attended the conference it might peg him for possible

02:00:45.560 recruitment at next year's meeting so they spend years on these projects you know trying to go so

02:00:51.820 far as to build entire events as i said around getting just them um and he ends with i'll just

02:00:59.740 end with this we'll talk about the fbi now talking about the cia let's talk about the fbi says today's

02:01:03.740 fbi is a hybrid an intelligence service grafted onto traditional law enforcement it reports the

02:01:10.220 director of national intelligence as well as the attorney general increasingly it operates worldwide

02:01:16.460 with 78 offices and sub offices in u.s embassies from kuala lumpur to caracas coordinating with

02:01:23.660 the cia and security agencies in the host countries after the 9-11 attacks the bureau's

02:01:29.500 priorities shifted from catching mobsters drug traffickers and white-collar criminals

02:01:34.540 to preventing terrorism foreign espionage and cyber attacks this transition steered the fbi's

02:01:41.100 gays to academia the bureau's target is not just more traditional spies passing u.s secrets to

02:01:47.180 foreign governments it's also students and scientists and plenty of others stealing the

02:01:51.420 valuable trade secrets of american universities and businesses so i guess just to cap this off

02:01:58.780 it seems that like every university like every every single one in america but universities

02:02:05.180 around the world are just involved in this web of just stealing intellectual property stealing

02:02:12.700 research you know if you're harvard if you're mit you will have governments of the entire world

02:02:19.020 descending upon you including the cia and and the fbi and i think that's only going to get worse

02:02:25.820 and a couple of things that we mentioned it's the generational shift that is allowing this like

02:02:30.380 young people just i don't think give a shit anymore they're either extremely cynical and

02:02:35.180 nihilistic about it so they think well yeah the whole system is rotten to the core or they think

02:02:40.460 it's good you know they think well it's good that we're doing that we need the cia and harvard to

02:02:46.540 keep the cccp out or whatever maybe um but yeah i i don't see this i don't see i don't see any

02:02:55.180 push back in this i don't see any protest against this anyway um what do you think about all that

02:03:02.780 i mean it it's funny to me that we're so concerned about this research apparently but we

02:03:10.220 i mean they're complaining that it's being captured but also you're allowing it to go on

02:03:15.340 you're funding it publicly and just letting it happen like i mean you're afraid of the optics

02:03:20.780 of just pulling it all under your wing

02:03:22.660 and making it, you know, national.

02:03:26.140 But wouldn't that be better

02:03:27.880 than fucking losing it to the Chinese?

02:03:30.080 I don't know.

02:03:30.420 Well, I said, why does Stanford,

02:03:33.600 I don't know if they're trying to expand

02:03:34.960 into China or India or wherever,

02:03:36.520 but why do you need to expand to China?

02:03:38.620 Why do you need appendage in China

02:03:42.800 for money, I guess?

02:03:45.460 But I didn't think that these universities

02:03:48.540 needed to be international.

02:03:50.780 they don't they don't they they're so overfunded they just want it right it's just bureaucratic

02:03:57.020 corruption it's the individuals at the university are personally getting money out of these

02:04:02.780 situations so they're doing it and again why if the security apparatus is so concerned about this

02:04:07.820 why do you let that you can hunt down chinese spies all day you should be going after the

02:04:12.380 university admins and slapping them because i don't hear any stories and i've got all the notes

02:04:19.340 in front of me i don't know any stories of the ci infiltrating chinese schools and taking trade

02:04:25.340 secrets yeah because there's nothing to take that's kind of it like this seems very one way

02:04:29.520 it seems that there's a lot of cool things happening in north america because i think

02:04:34.480 there's a lot of great research primary research going on in canadian universities well technical

02:04:39.120 universities i'm like no one's trying to steal from india because there's nothing there no one's

02:04:44.840 trying to steal from you know iranian universities as fine as they might be but they're no one's on

02:04:52.720 the cutting edge of anything and the only competitors to what we've been doing i say

02:04:59.640 north america and probably europe because i think germany's up to some really interesting stuff i

02:05:03.940 think there's great technological development coming out of france as well but i'm like i

02:05:08.780 don't think it's coming out of anywhere else in the fucking world i think it's coming out of the

02:05:12.580 west out of europe out of north america white universities and then the only competitors we

02:05:20.060 have are those that steal from us so it's not like it's this amazing interplay of collaboration

02:05:27.000 it's just it's one fucking way what do we what is anyone getting from china except a shittier

02:05:34.000 version of the thing that you came up with so why like why do why does this need to happen why

02:05:40.020 why do you need to exchange students it's like well they're so good there's they're the best

02:05:45.340 minds in the world like are they they seem to steal and cheat a lot do you need indian students

02:05:51.920 in your university why they steal and cheat and they stink they suck you'd be better with like

02:05:57.940 an illiterate like a farm kid from the midwest because you can work with that you can't work

02:06:02.440 with these pakistanis and at this point because the story is changing somewhat in 2026 chinese

02:06:08.940 universities are actually producing what you could call new and innovative technologies maybe

02:06:16.500 not as much as us but they are producing them the chinese universities are uniquely and exclusively

02:06:21.820 full of chinese people they don't like you can't even you can't infiltrate them that way you'd have

02:06:29.200 to infiltrate them by somehow sending chinese americans or like find a chinese person who you

02:06:36.440 can break and then send them there but you can't just send an ohio boy to singhwa university it

02:06:43.480 doesn't work so if you realize that they they have absolutely no shame in saying we will never allow

02:06:50.360 an american citizen to a citizen to attend one of our schools then why are you allowing them to

02:06:54.840 attend your that is true yeah it seemed like an easy fix but since this pertains to technological

02:07:03.460 development i tend to think there's a lot on the line yes but this stuff matters this is

02:07:08.760 we're talking about meta materials we're talking about if you look at what is being stolen it's

02:07:16.020 cancer fighting chemicals it's it's invisibility close it's the coolest shit it's a a laser that

02:07:23.320 can carve our name into the sun i don't fucking know i saw project hail mary over the weekend

02:07:28.500 And we're probably developing that or developing some fucking water-based

02:07:31.860 black stuff that eats stars, right?

02:07:35.940 That's what's on the line.

02:07:37.100 It's not just, it's not stealing our poetry.

02:07:40.020 I'll tell you that much.

02:07:41.140 Anyway, that was a great episode.

02:07:44.140 Thank you for your time.

02:07:45.640 Nice.

02:07:46.120 Good one.

02:07:46.640 Yes.

02:07:47.180 All right.

02:07:47.540 I'll talk to you soon.

02:07:49.860 Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling top salad and scrambled eggs.

02:07:54.920 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you peg

02:08:01.880 all right hello everyone sorry i'm a couple minutes late me and max here have been chit

02:08:08.720 chatting away before the show well everyone's just waiting for us i am here with max and i

02:08:15.200 was mispronouncing his name the entire time and i don't mind telling you that i was calling him

02:08:19.780 Max Gnest, some cockamamie nonsense.

02:08:22.980 It's Gnay, correct?

02:08:25.420 It is Genet.

02:08:27.200 Genet.

02:08:29.020 That's twice in a row I had his name wrong,

02:08:31.560 but we're going to get all that in post, I'm sure.

02:08:34.500 I'm here with a young man,

02:08:37.360 and I can technically call this guy a young man.

02:08:40.880 We'll get to that in a second.

02:08:42.700 But a lot of people in our community

02:08:45.640 were very excited about this interview

02:08:47.460 because they've been following the work that he's been doing and we're going to get to his work

02:08:51.220 later on in the show some clips of what he's been doing but i would call him an independent

02:08:57.500 journalist he's been hitting the streets he's been giving speeches showing up at protests and

02:09:01.740 most importantly interviewing people man on the street type interviews and attending the

02:09:06.960 liberal party of canada convention the conservative party canada convention convention and uh i

02:09:13.140 wouldn't call him a far-right extremist by any measure, but he's out there talking

02:09:19.100 remigration. He's talking a lot of the talking points that all of us would be

02:09:23.460 familiar with, and I'm extremely pleased to have him here today. So Max, thank you

02:09:29.120 so much for taking the time. No problem. It is my pleasure. It's so nice to be on.

02:09:34.780 Now, we were talking about something before the show, and I said, let's just

02:09:37.940 save this for the show, because there's something you wanted to address, and it

02:09:41.940 was pertaining your work history or your current employment,

02:09:46.080 it's people have been making these nasty claims about you.

02:09:49.180 Now, would you like to address that now?

02:09:51.480 Yeah, so um, a lot of people they go, this guy's never held a

02:09:55.920 job before in his life. This guy has no employment history. He's

02:10:00.840 never made a any money whatsoever. Um, I've had jobs

02:10:05.720 ever since I was 14 years old, I'm currently 19 years old, I

02:10:09.780 worked in, um, a coffee shop, which was my first job for an entire summer. I ran a lemonade stand

02:10:18.920 and I was, uh, like 13 and I've, I've made a massive profit, like thousands of dollars,

02:10:29.080 which is crazy. Um, that's wild. Yeah. I, I just woke up at like 6 AM and then I stopped that

02:10:39.680 6pm. It was an all day operation, all summer, massive profit. I netted like $1,000 a week,

02:10:48.580 I think. It was crazy. That's entrepreneurship skills. And you're thriving in an area that I'm

02:10:57.920 not confident I could thrive in. I bet I would be in the red at a lemonade stand. I'd be losing

02:11:03.860 money. I'd be borrowing money. I'd be borrowing money from people I shouldn't be borrowing money

02:11:08.100 from and at the end of it i'd say some bullshit like you know but what did we learn

02:11:14.260 what did we learn you know you know i'm gonna play me being like fucking 17 i'm like i'm gonna

02:11:22.580 place my life where i think it's important to like like fail as fast as possible like that's

02:11:27.160 actually better than winning already doing the startup bullshit at a young age well yeah i i

02:11:35.840 mean um i've i've tried multiple uh i've always been kind of like on uh on entrepreneurial like

02:11:43.860 i've always tried to um make money and like kind of like very independent ways uh like i've i've

02:11:52.500 i had a whole phase where i went on like kijiji and i was just like flipping stuff uh that was

02:12:00.520 very cool but i i was like 12 years old or like 10 like that was wild no that's actually honestly

02:12:07.860 i'm not trying to gas you up here that's a very early age to be stopped doing stuff like that

02:12:13.220 unless you also had a dad that was doing it some people learn how to flip stuff or flip houses or

02:12:18.760 whatever it is from their dad but if you just did that independently that does show quite a bit of

02:12:23.960 initiative i was just drawing poorly probably but i'm only i'm like you i have a a deep interest

02:12:30.460 in business and that sort of thing and so i spent a lot of time when i was younger just trying to

02:12:35.440 make it work but uh not being a part of any community any business community like some people

02:12:41.400 do and just like having i hate to say this but a hustle mentality like what can i what can i make

02:12:47.880 money off of what can i what's a smart way to make money instead of just finding one thing you kind

02:12:54.520 of think is smart then grinding away at it for years so i think the way you did it's a better

02:12:58.060 way to do it yeah like i've i've i've definitely failed at a lot of that kind of stuff uh one

02:13:06.340 summer i bought all this kind of like uh car cleaning equipment and then i printed out all

02:13:15.980 these flyers and then i went door to door just putting the flyers in mailboxes and i got like

02:13:23.460 one customer and then i made all my money back on the equipment i bought and then i just said i'm

02:13:30.020 done and then i moved on they sold it to a chinese holding company like everyone else does uh but

02:13:38.180 you what's funny is that um i love that sort of mindset and uh and this is how i guess we could

02:13:43.940 segue to something canadian but uh canon we've discussed this on the show before is very

02:13:49.780 prohibiting of the entrepreneur it's very difficult to start a business especially where i'm at in

02:13:55.220 ontario and i remember just a tiny client that i used to have many many years ago and uh he was

02:14:02.260 an older guy retired and he wanted to start a business and uh maybe it's easier to do when

02:14:07.060 you're younger because people want to encourage whippersnappers into starting businesses but if

02:14:12.660 you're like 65 people everyone wants to kick you in the dick for starting a business so all he did

02:14:17.940 did he wanted to start a pressure washing business that sort of thing buys a pressure washer he's

02:14:23.520 going to go out he's going to do what everyone's seen in the videos do the sidewalk to the side of

02:14:28.000 the house or whatever and the amount of licenses he needed just to do that just to be a guy with

02:14:33.340 a machine doing a thing he needed like three different types of insurance he needed four

02:14:39.580 licenses he had to be ladder certified like you're just not allowed to climb a ladder in Ontario

02:14:44.600 unless you took a course for it and paid like way more than you would think to do it and then just

02:14:51.320 like you can't just be a guy like rubbing two sticks together to make a bit of money this guy

02:14:55.080 wasn't rich there's a reason he's going back to work at 60 or whatever it is and uh they just

02:15:00.440 they don't let you do it and then on top of that getting loans getting grants getting all that like

02:15:05.660 it's it i hate to say but it makes sense why so many people look towards the u.s thinking

02:15:11.760 they at least want people to start a business here i don't know the government just hates that idea

02:15:17.380 yeah um i'm sorry did you say you gotta have there's regulation like you gotta have a permit

02:15:24.760 to like get a ladder and climb it i remember that one specifically i remember that he needed

02:15:30.540 that's like the stupidest thing i've heard all day what yeah and he needed certain certifications

02:15:37.460 for certain to like work in a certain type of heat because he'd be outside and uh yeah it was

02:15:43.260 like we because i remember that one because i was building a website for him and i was like just

02:15:47.360 trying to find things to make it sound good so i was like filling space i'm like okay we should

02:15:52.400 put on that your ladder certified right because he did it he actually did so dystopian it's stupid

02:15:58.800 yeah we got a bunch of like childless lesbian cat ladies running our government oh wait that's

02:16:05.380 actually what's happening yeah yeah and that's and that's precisely because people will talk about

02:16:10.180 the managerial elite and there's a lot of truth to that but it's also that the elite exists yes

02:16:17.500 but it's also staffed by a certain type of person and of course people take valid issue with the

02:16:24.640 amount of immigrants and whatnot the idea that there's like a somali guy who got here 15 minutes

02:16:29.380 ago being the immigration minister is wild things like that but then it just seems very feminine it

02:16:34.960 seems very and i don't want it to sound too misogynistic when i say that but it does seem

02:16:38.960 family like everyone needs to be safe everyone needs to be sure that they're happy we need to

02:16:45.040 be checking in everyone's gotta be checking in on everyone all the time it's like you can't exist

02:16:50.800 in that world if you're a certain type of man especially if you're an older man especially if

02:16:56.960 you want to you know move fast and break things if you just want to do a thing with balls and gumption

02:17:03.840 like you can't do that unless you want to pay 25 000 to do it or something and that's

02:17:10.160 endlessly frustrating i don't see that changing anytime soon point being i'm very happy you made

02:17:16.240 money on the lemonade stand yes yeah that was yeah that was that was that was that was very good um

02:17:23.920 yeah um there's a lot of there there there are a lot of like

02:17:27.760 sorry i'm still thinking about the whole about the ladder permit that thing is boggling my mind

02:17:36.300 and that's just that too and one of the things we were leading into when talking about that was

02:17:41.800 um because you're a young guy you're you're 19 and so you've been in the workforce but you know

02:17:49.460 you wouldn't have had a career yet and i was wondering um it's difficult to predict where

02:17:55.700 things are going to go with you but i think you're going to be fine but do you think that

02:18:01.020 there's certain avenues of society that would be cut off to you just because you're doing

02:18:07.840 going out and having serious conversations with politicians confronting them doing the

02:18:13.080 investigative journalism but do you think that or have you gotten an indication from anyone that

02:18:18.460 you might not be able to get certain jobs or anything of that nature

02:18:21.960 yeah um i don't think i would be allowed to go in the in the military maybe

02:18:32.360 something like that because they would want me to uh delete all my social media and even with that

02:18:39.920 the history is problematic something like in the federal government or in the provincial

02:18:45.360 governments, I could probably not get a job at all. If I wanted to become a lawyer or a doctor

02:18:56.720 or a real estate agent, stuff like that, or like a teacher, stuff like that, that's going to be a

02:19:06.640 no. Unless our society significantly stops being very gay, then I could probably have a future.

02:19:15.360 But other than that, it looks like I'm going to be independent in terms of my money making.

02:19:22.000 And that's kind of the only thing, right?

02:19:23.540 Like you have a job because you want to make money.

02:19:27.580 I'm hoping I'm going to be able to make money from this.

02:19:29.800 And I kind of am like I got monetized on X just like a little bit ago, like April 10th or whatever.

02:19:41.380 So that was really cool.

02:19:43.240 But I got to keep up on that.

02:19:45.360 um you know what's interesting it's that um i don't think you do anything that could ever cut

02:19:52.920 you off from anything significant by which i mean i hang around daily with real far-right schizos

02:20:00.660 and so when i see you out there i'm like this is a guy i agree with everything he's saying but

02:20:05.940 you haven't done anything grossly offensive you i'm like i'm talking my friends are making threats

02:20:12.440 my friends are like going to people's DMs

02:20:14.800 and doing

02:20:15.720 like dumb shit

02:20:17.560 I mean if you look at my ex on any given

02:20:20.760 day it's the dumbest shit you've ever seen

02:20:22.900 I deserve

02:20:24.660 to be arrested not because I've said anything

02:20:26.700 violent but just because

02:20:27.960 coal for coal purposes I'm a

02:20:30.720 coaler

02:20:31.060 so I look at you I'm like okay

02:20:34.680 here's a young guy who I think

02:20:36.280 he's got the whole world ahead of him

02:20:38.660 isn't it like I tell people this I'm an old

02:20:40.840 chunk of coal of course but i'm talking to this young guy who is still counts as gen z i thought

02:20:47.020 he might even been tipped over into the old one because i've been here about gen z forever all

02:20:53.080 gen z are 27 right now yeah they're all pretty old yeah they're old they're not cool they're

02:20:58.880 becoming lame it'll happen to you by the way but yeah i also wanted to hear i'm aware from where

02:21:05.460 you're standing how many of your cohort how many uh younger gen z are like yourself you know are

02:21:15.500 they politically activated are they when it comes to things like re-migration which you're big on

02:21:21.560 do you feel like you stand alone amongst your generation or i guess what's your sense there

02:21:26.580 sometimes it feels like um i'm alone on it but i'm not

02:21:37.500 well okay i i i really like to just like be by myself um i like to just like hibernate in my uh

02:21:48.720 in my basement and in my bedroom those comments are true though like that kind of like uh like

02:21:55.880 like like like when people say you uh you make videos in your basement or it's like you just

02:22:02.040 like stay in your bedroom all day you should probably like go out that's like the only true

02:22:06.760 insult that i that it that i i constantly get and it's true but i do have a lot of friends though

02:22:13.880 uh people do like to hang around me uh i'm not i'm not like i'm not like radioactive or like

02:22:21.400 a horrible person so all of my friends like i i have like friends who you know are in are

02:22:29.880 veterans from the canadian forces and they're gen z like i got one and he got injured and his ankle

02:22:37.080 is kind of not right so he can't go back in um i got a few who are in the conservative party

02:22:45.960 i got one who is a staff i'm not gonna i'm not i'm not gonna out you man but um i i i do have

02:22:53.400 like and they do agree with me on stuff and they do have alt accounts and they do fed like fed post

02:22:59.400 but like i i say that because they're employed by the feds but they uh yeah when you're they're

02:23:05.240 they're employed by the house of commons technically so i like to say that they fed

02:23:08.760 post even though they're not but yeah when you're fed everything you post is a fed post technically

02:23:14.920 true and that that's why it's funny uh but it's even more funny that like the guy is like

02:23:21.660 guys it's not just one but they're like working for these like members of parliament and um

02:23:28.100 like they're pretty senior up high in the conservative party chain and i know their

02:23:33.640 politics and it's like dude that's wild um so there is a lot of hope like within the youth

02:23:40.520 like they are in favor of the of the dominion society they do like the second sons they do

02:23:47.140 like re-migration they do not agree with they do not agree on the conservative party with a number

02:23:52.260 of their garbage stances that are milquetoast and really lame and weak and contradictory and

02:23:59.360 frustrating like they don't like that but they do work for them and um yeah they are there we we are

02:24:07.100 infiltrated so one thing i've noticed that's very interesting to me is that uh the right

02:24:14.060 and i use the term very loosely here but the right has become more of a we might call it a

02:24:20.620 first principles movement meaning that here's the issues that they stand for irrespective of

02:24:27.080 anyone else any other group and i found that over the course of my life the leftists have become

02:24:33.460 totally reactionary whereas previously the leftists they had their ideology they had their

02:24:38.740 principles that things they believed in and now when i look and i'm speaking about the younger

02:24:43.940 generations as well because i see a lot of gen z leftists and far-right people the leftists seem

02:24:51.140 to only exist to like own the right like it doesn't seem that they even believe in anything

02:24:56.820 anymore it's just they're the ones playing catch up now with the right and i'm seeing that the most

02:25:02.820 with um the younger generation as i said does that sound like it's real yeah so it's it's it's

02:25:13.060 kind of ironic because when i go out into the world um i do i do i do leave my house now and

02:25:21.520 then like i have um a neighbor and he is like a a few blocks away and he's pretty apolitical

02:25:28.560 but like we agree on like a lot like he did vote for the conservative party in the last election

02:25:38.820 because he looked at the state of the country and he's like why am i voting for this for the

02:25:43.800 stupid government that has literally just destroyed my country i'd rather vote for the

02:25:47.240 opposition that's promising to clean it up like he's he's pretty apolitical but he has a lot of

02:25:51.860 common sense um and he's like and he's like and he's a big art guy you know he really likes like

02:25:57.720 uh movies and plays and he's like why are all these art like um like these like artistic

02:26:04.320 stuff like why is the art world so gay and he and he just hates it you know um then he writes

02:26:11.200 his own plays and he and he and he and he does stuff with that and like very very smart guy

02:26:15.980 um and then his neighbor that guy he he he's not like into art at all but uh he is very very

02:26:23.660 right wing like a little bit more right wing than me and they're all my age like they're all 19 uh

02:26:30.380 20. like i i mean like i live in a very liberal riding like i live in um

02:26:39.180 i was i was gonna out my riding and it's probably not don't do that but yeah i i live in a very hard

02:26:44.620 red riding and i looked at the polls in the last election and it just all went red red red and you

02:26:52.380 And you can look at like my like there's a few votes that went conservative and that's like I work for the party, but we should get into that later.

02:27:00.220 But I worked for the party, but I voted blue, dad voted blue, mom voted blue.

02:27:05.920 And then I can look at the poll just like on the other side.

02:27:09.800 And it's like, oh, wait, there's there's there's those like two guys, my two friends.

02:27:14.820 But there's so much diversity on the right.

02:27:18.060 There's so much of it.

02:27:19.020 I disagree with a lot of my friends on a lot of different stuff, but we don't fight over it.

02:27:27.560 We debate, and we have conversations, and we argue, and sometimes they do convince me that, hey, I'm wrong.

02:27:34.640 And I do convince them that they're wrong, and we give each other different point of views.

02:27:40.240 And I went to high school, so I made friends with some leftists.

02:27:44.400 Before, I was very politically open.

02:27:47.800 i still believe all the stuff i believe but i had the ability to shut up so i made friends with some

02:27:53.060 leftists and i let them just just run their mouths with me and every time i would maybe say something

02:27:58.740 like um hinting that transgenderism is maybe not okay or like hinting that maybe this leftist

02:28:06.580 policy is kind of not okay they would get all mad and defensive like yeah which is the thing that

02:28:13.820 I think most people would agree on.

02:28:14.580 And now I don't have the miscontacts anymore.

02:28:16.600 Yeah.

02:28:17.080 They're gone.

02:28:17.500 And by the way,

02:28:18.100 I don't hold it against you

02:28:18.980 for having leftist friends in the past.

02:28:20.980 Hell,

02:28:21.240 I might even have a couple now

02:28:22.680 because I got a lot of weirdos

02:28:25.220 in our community.

02:28:26.780 But,

02:28:27.240 I mean,

02:28:27.440 back in the day

02:28:27.920 when I was young,

02:28:28.660 we even had a Maoist friend,

02:28:31.300 white guy,

02:28:32.640 walking around

02:28:33.360 in his fucking

02:28:34.080 tweed blazer

02:28:35.660 with his Mao pin.

02:28:37.080 Which,

02:28:37.540 back then,

02:28:38.380 it was just seen

02:28:39.200 as an eccentric thing to do.

02:28:40.820 It'd be like knowing a monarchist.

02:28:43.200 Like,

02:28:43.320 well wow you're you're a cool guy you believe a weird thing that no one really cares about

02:28:48.000 but like that's the only mouse i've ever known i'm sure there's asian mouse out there now but

02:28:53.120 for a while it seemed like it was just white guys looking to get head but uh yeah

02:28:58.960 you know what i mean like that's well i mean they're looking to get head from other guys

02:29:05.160 There it is.

02:29:10.300 But yeah, one thing I noticed with Gen Z, and I'm not going to make this all a Gen Z thing, but I think it ties into what I was about to say about, I think in every direction, Gen Z is more extreme.

02:29:23.800 Because from my perspective, you'd always hear stories that Gen Z is the most far right.

02:29:28.980 And then you'd read another study that said it's the most far left.

02:29:31.960 And they're probably both correct.

02:29:33.260 Well, they're both.

02:29:33.560 Yeah.

02:29:34.000 Yeah.

02:29:34.220 both are correct and so what it is it's extremism in or radicalism rather in every single direction

02:29:41.440 and i think that ties into something i noticed which is that gen z is a lot less paranoid about

02:29:47.880 the internet so i'm a millennial so i grew up when the internet was a bit more of a scarier place

02:29:54.540 it seemed like 50 percent of the internet was just to scam and rape you and maybe it still is

02:30:00.560 actually it is still that but there seems to be more security now but the point was that i don't

02:30:05.160 know you had to be kind of weird to be on the internet back when i was a kid but there's that

02:30:09.300 paranoia that's in millennials still and opsec is very important and these are the groups that

02:30:15.680 really fight for a non-culture and uh you know anonymity online but i find that absent in gen

02:30:22.620 z they just think it's it's not important i see way more young guys especially in our communities

02:30:28.160 just on telegram with their real names just telling people their addresses and it just it

02:30:34.040 seems like a generational thing i don't know if it's good or bad because maybe it's immaterial

02:30:38.860 because everyone's being watched by the government anyway like there's no such thing as true anonymity

02:30:44.380 but i think that gen z feels a bit more open to expressing radicalism whereas with a lot of my

02:30:54.220 generation, they're very guarded and cautious, even in public about just speaking their minds

02:31:00.200 still. Now, that's not a question I'm asking you, I realize there's no question here. But I suppose

02:31:05.660 does that sound true? Yeah, that does sound. Yeah, I think here's a little bit of the thing.

02:31:17.140 Millennials, they have built their lives. And they don't want the internet ruining it.

02:31:24.220 i i you know like they they have their families they have their jobs and they don't want to be

02:31:30.560 on the internet that's kind of it like they just don't want their face their name that that's true

02:31:36.660 and i'm versus gen z grew up agree with that yeah so it's like um for me i like okay if i could go

02:31:45.720 back in time and somehow make my entire thing um like my entire i don't know how do you call this

02:31:56.440 like internet accounts like internet personality i don't know whatever my entire identity online i

02:32:03.080 guess like they're doing this if you if you like to be a piece of like me you could call it your

02:32:07.800 brand but yeah okay i i could probably i would probably have started more doing it faceless

02:32:18.880 like i would find ways for me to not go out interesting but the thing about that is i would

02:32:26.100 not be able to go to the like concert a party convention i would have not been able to go to

02:32:31.780 liberal party convention to do the man on the street interviews right to do that kind of stuff

02:32:36.260 which is a passion of mine but sacrificing it for being anonymous i think i probably would have

02:32:43.000 have gone that route but unfortunately i just started making videos like i on instagram reels

02:32:50.460 i i just uh there was some scandal in the trudeau era in the summer of 23 and i made a video and

02:32:56.980 then it went like kind of viral like immediately and then i was like oh okay and then i just kept

02:33:03.860 kind of doing it and doing it and doing it and doing it and then yeah and well that's leads to

02:33:09.540 another interesting question that if you could change anything else knowing what you do now

02:33:14.880 would you have approached anything else differently

02:33:17.940 i honestly think that um like we all make mistakes so there are some things maybe but honestly like

02:33:30.260 i i don't think so because i i'm a very i'm a person that is driven by conviction and principle

02:33:39.480 so even my time in the conservative party that was because i really hated carney i really hated

02:33:47.740 trudeau and i thought that the conservatives would um be better i thought that they would

02:33:55.340 be a contrast. I thought that they would fix a lot of the mess. Now I knew they would not fix

02:34:00.500 all the mess. I knew they would probably just slow down the downfall, but that's better than

02:34:06.400 nothing. Right. Um, so I, I was with the conservatives and then I read their platform

02:34:14.060 and I'm like, Oh, I was wrong. They're the exact same. And then, um, I, I started knocking on

02:34:23.060 doors more and more. And I went into a more ethnically replaced part of the city to knock

02:34:29.320 on doors. And it was just people could not speak English. The streets smelt like curry

02:34:33.600 and this stuff, it snowballs and it radicalizes you very, very quickly. Um, and just for like

02:34:40.800 context here, I voted for Polyeb during the leadership race in 22. I was, um, how old

02:34:48.640 i was like 15 uh 20 i don't know i was like 15 14 16 i can't remember but i do know no i was i was

02:34:59.500 i was 15 yeah i i was 15 because back in 2021 that was the general election where o'toole was

02:35:07.900 leader and i volunteered for the people's party of canada in my home riding so yeah i remember

02:35:15.740 right when people's party canada first launched i was one of the first like i got the certificate

02:35:22.700 and everything because it seemed like it could be interesting and um maxine bernier was saying

02:35:29.620 a lot of interesting things back in the day and i still think he is capable of doing that

02:35:33.800 but uh uh i i i think the party's done i i think even if they do remove him as i i'm i'm i'm saying

02:35:41.680 this is someone who has who does have respect for him and who does like really want the best but

02:35:47.560 it comes to a point where it's like you've got to step down as leader and even if you do i think

02:35:53.980 the party is forever effed like there's no way of coming back from that i'm i hate to say that

02:35:59.480 it pains me but it's true um i like yeah but to the ndp under jack layton where it's very much

02:36:09.020 he didn't found the entire party but of a party for that size it really becomes centered around

02:36:15.920 the charismatic leader right it's not so big that it becomes a machine unto itself it's like

02:36:21.560 Maxime Bernier's thing and when it's something like that you need to exert intense control of

02:36:28.520 the rest of the party of all your subordinates which he didn't seem to do so you got Maxime

02:36:32.600 Bernier at the top doing interviews maybe he says a cool thing every once in a while but you look at

02:36:37.700 the machine itself and it's like it's all indian ladies running these writings which seems counter

02:36:44.900 to what he might be saying on that day so i'm like oh this you don't have control over this

02:36:49.920 this is just something you're kind of floating on maybe you would he goes on joe rogan people

02:36:55.160 like him on joe rogan so i say okay just do that i think maybe you're better going on shows and

02:37:00.680 talking about these politics but i don't i mean if you see if you saw the downtrend of the ppc

02:37:07.480 over the last elections i'm like okay this isn't anything anymore i'll give the ppc some free

02:37:14.660 advice here it doesn't matter i think they should keep max and bernie as leader obviously that's his

02:37:19.580 party um it doesn't matter if they change the name if they change the color if they change the

02:37:27.600 brand it's still so bad like the the credibility and the reputation is so damaged so this is what

02:37:35.620 i would suggest you just change the name and you frame it as more of a nationalist party

02:37:41.200 and you uh promise that you're not going to hire or you're not going to like basically get any more

02:37:48.000 indian or foreign candidates to run you say that you're only going to get like people who are

02:37:53.660 heritage canadian who are white and then you um make a big public apology where you say uh sorry

02:38:01.100 i never tried to win my riding in bow sorry i never actually um got any i never flooded any money

02:38:08.460 any volunteers there in my home riding to try to win it sorry i went to all these by-elections and

02:38:13.100 failed miserably because i could have just kind of like really won my riding back in 2019 if i

02:38:18.300 would have tried um sorry this has been kind of a big grifter thing but i i realize that uh we

02:38:23.900 don't need a grifter thing crazier things have happened in politics but he has to come clean

02:38:29.340 um i i would say so just like say sorry i didn't yeah sorry i was a total fraud i'm not a total

02:38:37.180 fraud anymore uh anyways i'm gonna do all these crazy things now to put my reputation on the line

02:38:43.260 like i'm pivoting the bernier brand i decided not to be a hack fraud anymore yeah like everything

02:38:50.780 you said is true and that was the criticism i'd heard elsewhere it tried to be too big of a party

02:38:55.900 too fast and like your role should only be to harass and harangue and hammer the conservative

02:39:03.020 party of canada like you're never going to win the you're never going to be the contender but

02:39:07.900 But what you can do is drag the Conservative Party of Canada for the right or introduce your ideas and prove the viability of them.

02:39:16.100 And I don't know, I just I don't think it had any of that focus.

02:39:19.840 And because it didn't have that focus, then people kept asking, what the fuck is this?

02:39:24.180 And then just election after election, it just hemorrhaged votes.

02:39:29.100 I'm like, OK, well, this that's very embarrassing.

02:39:31.500 but apparently that doesn't matter because

02:39:33.960 Pierre Polyev

02:39:35.460 had a generational fumble

02:39:38.200 one of the worst

02:39:40.080 political fumbles I think

02:39:41.840 at least in my adult life

02:39:43.600 and they didn't get rid of him

02:39:45.260 he's still hanging around weirdly

02:39:47.660 and just getting

02:39:49.440 here he is at an MMA fight

02:39:52.180 trying to figure out

02:39:54.420 if he's wearing glasses anymore

02:39:55.840 just not knowing who or what he is

02:39:58.420 I'm at a UFC fight

02:39:59.800 look at me

02:40:00.420 look at me uh that was that was and that's why i said like you said i saw that i i didn't even

02:40:08.660 know what to think about that i i saw it and i think i rolled my eyes and i put my head in my

02:40:14.100 pillow and i fell asleep i really don't think i just you know you're watching period poly it's

02:40:19.620 like you're just watching a man die in slow motion constantly and that's why literally

02:40:25.060 I think I was talking to a buddy of mine

02:40:27.520 in Kruptos in chat the other day

02:40:29.700 by the other day I mean today

02:40:31.420 of course and he was saying

02:40:33.520 it's going to be 25 years of

02:40:35.420 Mark Carney and I'm like try 100

02:40:37.680 years because

02:40:39.060 who else

02:40:41.180 there's not even a conservative

02:40:43.740 contender they couldn't find another

02:40:45.980 guy aside from Pierre

02:40:47.760 Poliev who humiliated the party

02:40:49.580 and they said well let's just keep him

02:40:51.600 there's nothing more sure

02:40:53.660 than a failure and we like a sure thing so i'm like they can't even begin the dream of a wish

02:41:01.440 of a conversation to start talking about who to run and you're thinking well what if there's a

02:41:07.060 wild black horse candidates like trump was and comes in swinging and hurling machetes i'm like

02:41:14.720 who whomst who you got kevin o'leary fuck off yeah i'm sick i'm sick kevin o'leary and his

02:41:22.480 fancy jackets he's wearing now no one's comfortable that guy would flood the country with that guy

02:41:29.020 would flood the country with jeats because they're economic units and he likes that like

02:41:33.340 of course i am not i am not i am not doing that with kevin o'leary he like he doesn't see canada

02:41:40.000 as as a place of of culture or a place of home or a unique place to like the ethnic canadian no no

02:41:47.920 know he sees it as like a literal place where he can make money and he's sad that we're not like

02:41:52.620 extracting our resources and it's like i'm pissed off that that's happening too but you care about

02:42:00.480 the country just because of that and he's like yeah like we gotta like annex america needs to

02:42:08.360 annex um canada and he's like we gotta have uh um um our dollar needs to be the usd

02:42:20.720 it's just it's just stupid the only thing that is going to electrify people about o'leary is

02:42:27.320 how fast he's gonna sell out he would sell out with the rapidity of a lightning strike and people

02:42:33.580 like wow he's he's like he's the worst excesses of donald trump he's donald trump minus any of

02:42:40.460 the other little things that people might like about we're not huge trump fans over on this show

02:42:44.780 we don't need to get into that of course but yeah i'm like there's no redeeming qualities

02:42:49.080 about kevin o'leary like i could imagine him and anyone can do this i love kevin o'leary posting

02:42:54.200 by the way i love posting the image of him on shark tank and just talking like him because

02:42:59.260 anyone can do it, but he would, you can imagine him up there giving a speech saying that anyone

02:43:04.260 who wants, anyone who doesn't want a hundred million people in Canada is a loser. And he

02:43:09.180 would use that word. He'd say loser and say, you want to fail. And he would mean it too,

02:43:15.060 just like you'd said. So like you would have no prime minister in living memory who wants

02:43:21.200 Canada to be an economic zone more than Kevin O'Leary. And that'd be like the second guy they

02:43:26.660 would have after polyev so okay who side from him so basically um it's funny that that we're

02:43:35.220 talking about this i wrote down a list for reasons why the conservative party needs to be abolished

02:43:41.960 and i'm i'm i'm gonna read them to you yes please because this is a good solid list i think making

02:43:49.220 a video on this actually but i i think i i perfected it okay the party's held hostage by

02:43:55.640 turban tim and uh i was gonna say racial slur let's not do that by uh turban tim and uh i would

02:44:03.100 just say if you have like this is a safe place for that okay the party's held hostage by turban

02:44:09.920 tim and the towel heads or the diaper heads i went this with the buddy i had on cast iron like

02:44:16.760 he doesn't he thinks that's a slur he doesn't know where he's at like that does that's not

02:44:23.380 even that bad towel okay sorry continue all right and then so the talent pool to succeed polyev

02:44:28.760 and in hq is non-existent they don't have a good campaign manager in line they don't have a good

02:44:35.680 party leader in line the talent is uh garbage okay number three the party has way too much

02:44:42.420 discipline that's a big issue they act like they're the soviet union liked um i like of all

02:44:49.940 people i was texting um on on x uh jj mccullough because we agree on this one he was like he was

02:44:57.620 giving me stories and he was giving me examples of how horrible hq is and how bad the party

02:45:04.020 discipline is and every time i i make a i make a post on x or a video on x about the party

02:45:09.540 discipline he always likes it so we can agree on that one um uh here uh number four the party

02:45:18.580 has an unusually high amount of grifting mps influencers staffers operatives etc there are

02:45:25.300 people who are um there to like grift like if it's like online uh if it's like as a member of

02:45:32.820 parliament like i i i like michelle ferrari like i i think she's a very nice woman uh she has a good

02:45:40.020 heart but i think she's a little bit she's she's a little bit grifty um and there's a lot of people

02:45:46.980 like her as well uh there's uh number five too many canadians have already made up their mind

02:45:54.500 on the party and they're not open to giving it a second look and this one is very important

02:45:59.460 because um yeah canadians i i like this mentality that you know canadians have where we're very like

02:46:06.660 close-minded and once we kind of like see something that uh we don't like we're kind of like i'm okay

02:46:14.420 there's not a lot of reason to kind of go back on that um that's good but that's also kind of bad

02:46:20.020 and uh it leads to low iq and stupidity but i i would say so like for me as a conservative

02:46:26.580 as someone who actually believes in conserving i i have no faith in pauliev anymore i have zero

02:46:31.460 faith in the guy he does not what he did he doesn't want to conserve anything aside from

02:46:36.020 justin trudeau uh senior and juniors uh multiculturalism and post-nationalism

02:46:42.380 What's interesting is that the Conservative Party cannot conserve anything because anything that you could say they ought to conserve, they would want to distance themselves from.

02:46:52.040 Like any sort of traditional values, anything from Canadian history.

02:46:55.540 They couldn't even defend the statues of Sir John A. Macdonald being torn down, even in my hometown of Kingston, Ontario.

02:47:02.460 Like, you know, this was the protest that, yeah, Daniel Tyree, you were at as well, where, you know, conserve what?

02:47:11.060 What can you conserve?

02:47:12.000 And I think more than anything, people are hip to that.

02:47:15.740 The enemies and friends alike, they're like, well, you are conservative in name only.

02:47:20.100 You have no real philosophical grounding, no spiritual grounding, no even...

02:47:26.220 All you have is a vague strategic grounding, which says that we must be sensible.

02:47:31.720 We must be level-headed.

02:47:33.500 You don't win elections on being sensible.

02:47:36.160 You actually win elections on being insane.

02:47:38.740 You got nothing to lose by being a bit more insane.

02:47:42.000 Try having a single position for once that isn't just, we should have slightly lower taxes.

02:47:49.980 That's it.

02:47:51.000 I would love it more if they were just ANCAPs and they said, we want to get rid of all income tax.

02:47:55.740 That would be wild and it would get people excited.

02:47:59.200 But they're campaigning on, we need 7% less tax.

02:48:02.640 Shut the fuck up.

02:48:03.980 Yeah, that was really bad.

02:48:06.320 Even someone like Wyatt Claypool, he said, why didn't the conservative – well, he attacks the conservative party in more of a I'm going to give them constructive criticism way.

02:48:16.320 And that's what I really like in his videos the most actually when I do watch them.

02:48:21.340 But he said multiple times that the conservative party, they should have had like a 20% or like a 15% tax cut across the board.

02:48:34.080 that's that's what the conservatives should have campaigned on but they didn't and that's kind of

02:48:38.580 the thing like that he's that he was getting at and that i was i also think about this a lot as

02:48:43.500 well the conservatives they and what you just said the conservatives they desperately need to just

02:48:48.700 be um a little bit more bold they need to be going out there and saying yeah we're gonna do

02:48:56.540 this and we're gonna do that because if they don't energize people no one's gonna show up to vote

02:49:01.480 And I said this on X before. I said the conservatives, their problem is that they can't energize people. They can't get people excited with bold policy so that no one leaves their house. Everyone is just demoralized on election day. How bad of a party do you got to be in order to get people demoralized and sad and depressed before you even lose the election?

02:49:24.700 you know? So, and then I said this after the election, cause I'm right. And I had these

02:49:30.980 few CPC shills and they said, well, that conservative party, they got like the most

02:49:37.360 votes in, in history. And, you know, they got all these new young voters that never voted before.

02:49:43.740 And, uh, and I'm like, dude, no, no, if no, we could have gotten, they could have gotten more

02:49:51.720 people to vote like i don't think you understand how much you lost on like i i um like if you like

02:50:00.460 if you look at the numbers and i'm gonna give credit to why claypool for this one again but

02:50:05.180 uh i think it was like across the country if 18 000 people would have voted differently

02:50:09.680 or voted at all then the conservatives wouldn't want would have won a minority government

02:50:15.740 like yeah it wasn't that many it was razor thin clothes and it was a low turnout in general

02:50:23.500 because the conservatives they failed to get people out there and it's like they just suck

02:50:29.160 they just horrible and look at individuals such as yourself and many others and we mentioned the

02:50:35.140 domain society and there's other groups out there um and other creators who i think are

02:50:40.820 normalizing certain talking points that it's, you know, it's an easy dunk. It would be the easiest

02:50:49.200 thing in the world for them to start adopting some of them, which is what the PPC should have

02:50:52.460 been doing. And some people reject this entirely. They say there's no political solution. I

02:50:56.960 understand that. But we're just talking in terms of a strategy where if we were to pursue a

02:51:02.920 political solution, this is a no brainer that you need certain ideas normalized. They need to be

02:51:08.920 tested they're not creative people conservatives they're not interesting people but they're very

02:51:14.040 paranoid they're very scared they don't they don't like new ideas so you got these other

02:51:17.480 people over here the younger people the weirder people and they are right leaning right-minded

02:51:23.800 people and they're putting forth these very electrifying ideas that it would be foolish

02:51:29.960 for them to ignore and yet they are however just speaking strictly in the realm of politics

02:51:37.240 you look at the conservative machine and that's where all the money is i mean that there's

02:51:42.620 and a lot of people don't know this because they don't have an interest in the mechanisms of

02:51:47.880 canadian politics they're more familiar with american politics and american billionaires

02:51:52.960 and american elites but canada has elites canada has dynastic families canada has its own billionaires

02:51:59.600 and canada has its own the big whale conservative donors and so you've got the politicians over

02:52:06.940 here saying what they say and failing at it but i suspect and this is based on things i've heard

02:52:11.940 there's a lot of big conservative money that's looking for a place to go because they're seeing

02:52:18.060 the same thing we're seeing they're looking at peer poly if they're looking at the mess of the

02:52:21.980 party and say what do we do what can we even invest in why why do we feel like we're dying

02:52:28.340 and they don't want to die no one wants to die so i i think they're i don't know there needs to be a

02:52:35.140 intense revitalization of the party or I guess that's it otherwise it just lose like again 25

02:52:42.220 years of Mark Carney like you guys lost you want to keep losing forever or do you want to get weird

02:52:47.200 do you want to get a bunch of young people in there and for the old people with money

02:52:51.380 there's young blood to invest in and maybe you can learn a thing or two about where this country

02:52:59.200 ought to go and i think now more than ever there are younger people more serious people because to

02:53:05.820 be honest the types of people that talked about the things that i talk about i mean i'm a weird

02:53:09.780 guy i'm very alienating i understand that but then we get people like yourself who are who can be in

02:53:16.420 front of camera without scaring the hose that's a good skill to have so now they look and say oh

02:53:22.640 this is a real thing yeah maybe we can do something here and maybe that that conservative

02:53:28.440 money doesn't stay in the conservative party maybe that conservative money starts spreading out to

02:53:34.180 other networks to other organizations think tanks and whatnot that's the that's the only sort i use

02:53:42.040 the word white pill but the only optimism i can see going forward it's that the conservative party

02:53:47.900 is so fucking bad and there's so much more interesting stuff going on outside of it

02:53:52.640 yeah they they're they're they're like i said canadians they can be very close-minded right

02:54:01.260 it's like i'm not changing my mind on this and stuff like that which i think is a good thing uh

02:54:08.440 to a certain extent but at one point it because like you know like we have like a bit of like a

02:54:13.800 thicker skin and we're not susceptible to people trying to like brainwash us however

02:54:22.480 uh that that that's uh i i think i'm the last kind of example of those types of canadians really

02:54:30.260 but i i mean like here like here's the thing the conservative party they the reason why they they

02:54:40.000 keep losing is because they have this constant need to tone it down like i've been in the party

02:54:45.300 right and i i i door knock right and they're like tone it down tone it down like even when you're

02:54:51.880 just in the campaign office and you're just you know talking and you know you're having beer or

02:54:56.540 whatever like and pizza like after you're done door knocking tone it down don't like don't say

02:55:01.400 that um you know or it's like i make videos online i was making videos online while i was in the

02:55:07.720 party and they're like tone it down tone it down and they think because they do this because they

02:55:13.380 think they need to water down policy until it turns into blatant retarded progressivism that

02:55:18.980 nobody likes and nobody wants to vote for and can we get an example when they say tone it down what

02:55:24.200 was the sort of thing you might be saying just for the folks at home okay so like i say that um

02:55:31.540 we should be deporting criminals and masses that was like one thing i said once

02:55:37.820 and that's too far yeah too far tone it down tone it down uh one time i made a video

02:55:46.560 i've made a lot of different like videos and stuff like that but the one video that got me kicked off

02:55:51.680 my eda i i i had to resign like they forced me like they put me in a corner and said resign and

02:55:59.460 i said okay i'm done i resign but it was i made a video and it was uh the winnipeg jets they were

02:56:04.860 singing they because i live in winnipeg right so there's the winnipeg jets and i i think they

02:56:10.580 deserve to move back to atlanta i i really i really uh but um yeah winnipeggers need to

02:56:18.040 suffer they they constantly vote for retardation so they need to be kicked around a little bit

02:56:23.760 until they do the right thing but there was a game and then they sung oh canada in the language

02:56:29.700 of punjabi and i i couldn't handle that i couldn't i did not like that why are you defacing and

02:56:36.580 belittling and um befouling my national anthem so i made a video and i said it's not even the

02:56:42.500 winnipeg jets it's the winnipeg jeets and that one line was it that's just good comedy that's

02:56:49.720 just funny i don't care who you are yeah it was it was it was it was it was funny but yeah that

02:56:56.260 was like that was enough but yeah like it just goes to show like the overton window has changed

02:57:02.280 because if i would say like we need to deport criminals and masses in the conservative party

02:57:07.540 right now at some campaign office they would probably just like agree with me but a year or

02:57:12.220 two ago like that was like radioactive right like that was that that was horrible um also um it this

02:57:21.020 whole tone it down thing right they do it because they want to win which is the irony of it because

02:57:26.380 they do this thing where they water down policies to get more votes but all it does

02:57:32.740 is chase away a tremendous amount of potential voters because this strategy is horrible and it

02:57:42.740 always fails like it failed in 2019 2021 2025 if they don't change the their way of doing things

02:57:49.240 it's going to fail in 2020 yeah um they think it's winning but again what they're doing is

02:57:54.420 clinging on to losing because that's not a winning strategy you can kind of hopefully maintain what

02:57:59.380 you have but what you have is a failing prey position you're just spooked it's like even if

02:58:06.260 if you're in a position where you might laugh at something or believe in say no tone down we can't

02:58:11.060 say that otherwise what you you're gonna go from second place to third place well that who gives a

02:58:16.820 shit go to fifth place and figure it out make yourself an underdog story again but right now

02:58:22.980 it's pathetic to live like that sorry i cut you off there yeah i mean they keep implementing the

02:58:30.020 same strategy that

02:58:31.140 hard to just like think about this why why do they do this and it's like the only

02:58:40.420 the only answer it's like they want to lose they really want to lose

02:58:46.280 i don't get it i don't either they're so retarded and they don't realize that this strategy is

02:58:53.980 making them lose or they're controlled opposition and they have some secret deal with the liberals

02:58:59.380 i think it's like option one they're extremely stupid and people who work on slater street

02:59:06.000 in ottawa hq they have literally no idea what they're doing and they're a bunch of trust fund

02:59:12.280 babies who are in university or you know they just got out and they have a political science

02:59:21.160 course and they say i survived i survived political science with a communist professor

02:59:28.200 i survived this i'm so cool i'm so unique but and then they get into these positions of power

02:59:35.220 in hq and then they just make like retarded decisions because they're not in touch with

02:59:39.020 people um i hate using the word larp but i see a lot of even young conservatives you know when

02:59:47.020 when i would see people get excited about barack obama they they meant it like liberals mean it

02:59:55.100 when they love something or hate something yeah but with a lot of young conservatives i think

02:59:59.660 they they're in love with the idea of loving something like they don't particularly like

03:00:04.940 poliev but it would be cool if they were into their guy as much as the liberals are so they'll

03:00:10.940 like do all this performative pantomime stuff to say like oh we guess what here's pier poliev with

03:00:17.500 the red laser eyes it's just completely fictitious this doesn't mean anything to you but you kind of

03:00:24.720 want to just have a party going but then you're playing catch-up with it you're not leading

03:00:28.900 you're just again being liberals from five years ago which everyone understands the conservatives

03:00:34.420 are and they've been it so long i don't think they know it'd be anything different like what

03:00:39.620 does a cool conservative party look like i don't think that's in the cards for them a cool

03:00:45.640 conservative party would just be conservative but they cannot be conservative for the life of them

03:00:50.820 and one of the biggest pieces of evidence for that is they're horrible at being the opposition

03:00:57.960 think about it they're the official opposition right they have more of an obligation to oppose

03:01:02.720 the government than the NDP or that one drunk lesbian in the greens. But, you know, they have

03:01:12.420 this obligation to make sure the government is held to account. And it's like, not only

03:01:18.720 are they consistently and constantly failing at that one thing by just not asking the right

03:01:26.520 questions it's so simple right it's like mass migration well they they they like mass migration

03:01:33.160 as well like what about uh lowering taxes to the extreme right like well we we we uh really do uh

03:01:41.320 love love high taxes um what about like you know being a little bit like okay a great example of

03:01:50.360 this is the conservatives they got on stage in the west block and they were talking about extortion

03:01:56.520 guess who gets on gets who gets on stage you literally cannot make this up

03:02:01.040 tim upple tim upple the deputy leader turban tim he gets up and he starts talking about

03:02:09.540 the extortion crisis in suri and he's like the extortion crisis they're criminals they're

03:02:14.720 criminals dude it's your own people it's your own people that are doing this we know this because

03:02:21.020 before surrey was ethnically replaced by a bunch of turban jeets uh this was not a thing this was

03:02:27.500 not a thing like we we it's common sense speaking of which i wanted to show us like we're retarded

03:02:36.780 like they treat us like we're legitimately stupid and it's insulting to our intelligence

03:02:42.460 just to give some people some context there i wanted to show a video that uh gives some insight

03:02:48.140 to what you're talking about here so we'll just put this up on screen this is a um okay i'm looking

03:02:54.620 at you can can you see on the screen right now yeah i can see that one yeah yeah this is this

03:03:01.180 is tim upple basically um this was from one of max's excursions into this was the conservative

03:03:09.420 party of canada convention he did one just recently whereas the liberal party of canada

03:03:14.380 and this is uh just a clip of confronting this guy here let's make sure it's back

03:03:21.420 mr upple do do you believe that non-citizens should vote in your party's nomination races

03:03:26.700 that's the way it is right now but you voted to allow it why i voted the entire room actually

03:03:34.220 so no but you personally voted to allow it why is that sorry

03:03:38.140 right did i yeah you voted to allow i just uh voted to allow the uh the status quo

03:03:51.820 no it's just it's just a matter of should they have a membership right and it's important that

03:03:56.060 we include people canadians of all different backgrounds different uh perspectives to be

03:04:00.780 a part of this large tent party that's going to be uh covered sometime soon

03:04:04.620 but only citizens vote wait wait wait wait what's in the elections so why should non-citizens vote

03:04:14.300 to elect the candidate no no answer okay that's crazy which tells me like he knows what he's

03:04:26.160 saying he knows he's lying there's a culpability there and that's what's most frustrating

03:04:30.860 i just love the line i just voted to maintain the status quo that's such a non-thought

03:04:38.240 and then and then he's like i just voted to keep it the way it is but i'm like why why you know and

03:04:47.420 then it's just like eventually it's just like he like he just can't answer without revealing that

03:04:52.320 he's a complete corrupt piece of shit but uh that's so funny what a stupid jeet go back to

03:04:59.500 home man i don't care if he's is he he represents a riding in edmonton edmonton yeah like and this

03:05:08.280 is it's important to do that stuff i don't care if he's born here his loyalties are not in canada

03:05:13.400 they're in punjab remigrate immediately i'll pay first plane ticket you're defining it on terms

03:05:19.900 that people can relate to which is that okay even if you're born here like let's open the

03:05:25.280 conversation to what should be done with that as long as canada has an understanding of itself i

03:05:32.800 think that's one thing that is standing in our way because there's so many canadian nationalists

03:05:37.800 that i'm friends with but there seems to be open debate on the nature of that nationalism

03:05:43.840 whether it should be in a sense a multicultural sort of nationalism with the anglos and the french

03:05:50.200 Basically, everything that's contained in the Canadian Shield, or should there be some holistic Canadian identity, that's still being hashed out.

03:05:58.720 So once we can more accurately define what a Canadian is, we can define what a Canadian interest is, and then we can start saying who or what is against the Canadian interest, which I think we can do.

03:06:11.920 And I think there's more people working on that project right now than maybe at any point in the past.

03:06:19.120 and we're digging up old canadian nationalist literature we're going which is difficult to

03:06:25.400 find by the way a lot it is yeah it's it's not as popular as some of that writing in america

03:06:31.100 so you got to find like old scans of things but we've been doing that on our show quite a bit you

03:06:35.640 know my friend's fortisax does that my friend black horse does that he runs the red ensign

03:06:40.520 substack and then there's everyone at diagonal and everyone at second sons like there's a lot of

03:06:45.640 I know Ferryman's Toll, he runs this show called Nationalist Film Board of Canada.

03:06:50.060 Yes, I've watched that.

03:06:52.360 Yeah.

03:06:52.700 Yeah.

03:06:53.180 I like that.

03:06:53.560 There's a lot of that stuff, and it's making it interesting in a way.

03:06:57.640 Like this content just wasn't out there, and everyone says, it's just content.

03:07:01.260 Well, you need a baseline of this stuff just to let Canadians know that there's interesting history up here,

03:07:08.100 and so many Canadians don't know that, and they get hypnotized by everything that's going on in America.

03:07:12.920 and I think even there's so many Canadian content careers that mainly talk about America

03:07:19.340 and so now more than ever before I think there's a real interest in defining what a Canadian is

03:07:24.460 and then you know introducing people regular people to this idea that like when you see Tim

03:07:32.160 Upple that should anger you and you don't even need to justify it if you're a citizen

03:07:38.060 because there's a civic nationalist way to frame this you don't need to but you can which is that

03:07:45.620 do you have the ability as a citizen just to say who you don't want in the country if they're also

03:07:51.240 not a citizen as much as you you should have that right and you don't even need to justify why

03:07:57.580 maybe don't like their fucking haircut that's it you don't need to there's no universal ethic to

03:08:04.500 appeal to there's no global court fuck the un who cares it's like are you a citizen in this country

03:08:10.560 or not do you have a say in who comes in this country or not yes or no okay so like and get

03:08:15.660 people to think on those terms who do you think you need to rationalize your decisions for you

03:08:20.840 shouldn't fucking have to and they haven't been introduced that idea yet they still think they

03:08:26.140 need to come up with the best argument to defeat their opponent no just be angrier just be more

03:08:33.160 confident because there's you're not going to out i won't say outwit but out debate these people

03:08:39.160 they're not here to debate they're here to exert control over you what are you going to do about it

03:08:42.980 you know these people are gay losers usually you know yeah and uh so i i think the work that you're

03:08:49.860 doing and others are doing is is actually very very important and also doing the work in such

03:08:55.380 a way where you're not immediately bought out by you know you kind of came out the other way you

03:09:00.760 started within the system night outside of it there's a lot of people on the outside they're

03:09:03.740 trying to get into it and they'll they're going to sell themselves out for that that's

03:09:09.800 i do i do kind of have pity on those people because you're not a part of the problem but

03:09:17.520 i mean you you you kind of are a part of the problem right if your entire attention uh if

03:09:26.660 your entire intention is to eventually just become a part of the establishment like first

03:09:32.040 of all I was like pretty like self cocking right there but like second of all it's like

03:09:38.540 why like what why would you want to become a part of the problem like I don't know I

03:09:42.860 I just I just don't like that yeah especially as a an individual I think you can do better

03:09:49.780 work outside of that machine that machine which is tailor-made to grind you down into something else

03:09:57.700 um unless you're it's more very very covert yeah i mean i i i agree like it's just meant to turn

03:10:05.040 you into dumb like i don't know why you would try to like get there but um that's some people

03:10:10.880 are just really weird um i i i it's more fulfilling as a human being right when you're all by yourself

03:10:19.200 And then you create your version of the so-called establishment that's much bigger than them, much more powerful than them, right?

03:10:30.160 Like, isn't that much more fulfilling that you end up creating your own system?

03:10:35.080 Like, you end up doing better than them, becoming more powerful than them.

03:10:39.240 like why would you want to work for them when you can just be a million times better than them and

03:10:45.220 be everything that they wish they could be right like isn't that much more cool

03:10:51.220 and i think that is indeed what is happening when i see these engagements that are happening between

03:10:57.640 yourself or you mentioned you know force actually these other people who are you know confronting

03:11:03.440 erin o'toole or confronting by the way he follows me i'm never gonna follow him back

03:11:09.280 that's never what i'm talking about like they can have all this bluster and they could condemn

03:11:15.340 this or that thing that you said but they're still paying very close attention because i think they

03:11:21.220 understand that something is going on instead of you trying to plead to be in that system you can

03:11:27.620 just wait a couple years and they'll come knocking on your door asking how much are you charge going

03:11:33.040 to charge to save our asses what's your rate i can i can envision that happening maybe not to

03:11:38.160 everyone but to to a select few and i think that's a better position to be in i i made a comment that

03:11:44.500 i think any conservative member that is halfway intelligent is looking towards all this domain

03:11:54.020 society type stuff all of these other creators and saying like we we need to figure out what we

03:11:59.400 can do with this right and but they just they don't know because they're old they're old and

03:12:03.940 they're uncreative and they don't they're kind of scared still aren't they but you know i think

03:12:08.920 they're going to get there out of their own survival the question is how they can employ

03:12:12.960 these and not utterly subvert them i actually do think there's opportunity here in canada

03:12:17.400 because things are so bad that's an odd thing to say let me explain that in america you might have

03:12:24.000 someone like trump and again i'm not a fan of trump i find he might have an anesthetizing effect

03:12:30.120 on a lot of people that i thought would know better we won't get into that but we really

03:12:37.060 don't have anything up here everyone is broke everyone is getting laid off gas is too expensive

03:12:43.080 people can't afford groceries we're actually way worse off economically than the u.s and it's not

03:12:48.280 just because of the tariffs and so layoffs are crazy everyone's unemployed every i don't know

03:12:54.020 anyone that's really supporting a family on a single income it's most people's dual income and

03:12:58.880 that's the norm um and then you know our tv sucks everything sucks everything is cocked and subverted

03:13:05.480 and this and that so we're at we're at bedrock we're at rock bottom in a lot of ways so we there's

03:13:12.400 something liberating in that thinking okay every political party really sucks the only one that

03:13:18.480 seems to know what he's doing is mark carney and that's not good yeah so there actually is no

03:13:23.620 alt mainstream solution you need to figure out what else you're doing you know i mean just just

03:13:30.640 out of our own survival and so once you accept that there's not a lot of places you could even

03:13:36.040 sell out to so what are you going to do and that's where so many other canadian creators are at you

03:13:42.260 know anyway so it sounds pessimistic but it's optimistic to me yeah i mean like you mentioned

03:13:50.080 trump there and the maga movement it really pisses me off when liberal canadians boomers

03:13:58.060 leftists in canada they say the conservatives they're they're maple maga polyev is mini trump

03:14:05.360 um at least trump could win at least the maga movement is successful in electoral victories

03:14:11.680 like i i stop comparing us to winners here you know like poliev is like trump and trump is like

03:14:20.340 hitler and hitler was a lot like you know uh genghis khan they don't have a basis for anything

03:14:27.040 every every bad guy is every other bad guy to them it's just so silly but they don't know how to

03:14:32.800 engage with anything any other way because at least like i said trump he brought something

03:14:38.780 to the table there what like if you remember his first campaign i know a lot of people on our side

03:14:45.240 who hate trump now who liked him at the start there was a a new kind of energy it was a new

03:14:51.240 conversation and that that was more exciting than anything it was just here here comes a bull in

03:14:57.300 this an insufferable china shop of politics he's he's going he's talking like he's going to throw

03:15:03.100 hillary clinton prison that's cool i like that but he's calling lindsey graham gay great he

03:15:08.920 said jeb bush is a fucking fat loser you know like this is i didn't know we could do that

03:15:14.560 yeah i mean it was it was super great it was super promising but the reason why he's a

03:15:22.680 disappointment is because he he's not right wing really enough oh no he's he is a uh an

03:15:32.600 east coast uh democrat billionaire he is what he is what he is you know you know he he he promised

03:15:39.560 uh yeah we're we're we're gonna deport millions uh you've only deported like a few or like a few

03:15:46.360 a couple 100 000 illegals you could have you you should have deployed the national guard and the

03:15:53.480 army in minnesota instead you allowed ice agents to get injured you um allowed

03:16:03.320 your own supporters to get um almost murdered by this mob you let the mob win by taking ice

03:16:14.520 out of minnesota you gave them the victory it's stuff like that it's unforgivable and it's like

03:16:21.000 oh we're we're gonna have no no no new wars no new wars i'm i'm gonna be a peacetime president

03:16:27.640 and then it's like you just start a war in iran and then and that cocky senile bastard is like

03:16:33.060 we're gonna get it over with in like two weeks two weeks turns into remember they denied it was

03:16:40.200 a war at the start they called you and me crazy for saying this seems like a war and then they

03:16:45.460 admitted it's a war later and so yeah so what are you against war what are you gay you don't like

03:16:50.280 war you don't like dying it's like yeah uh yeah exactly it's like what the but the uh as soon as

03:16:59.420 they said because they said they started it and then it wasn't over and they're like two weeks

03:17:06.620 until it's over and i was like wait wait two weeks uh to flatten the curb i remember this

03:17:12.260 story i remember this one it's always two weeks so yeah there's never been anything in the history

03:17:19.780 of the world that lasted two weeks you shut the fuck up don't try it don't piss on my two weeks

03:17:25.360 and tell me it's raining but uh yeah but before i know we gotta get i wanted to show a few more

03:17:30.140 videos before i forget because these are very good um we're just having such a whale of a time

03:17:36.860 i'm just gonna pick one at random here so go up on screen right now this is a liberal mp christina

03:17:45.000 tessa dirksen asking about housing prices whether immigration could help bring them down um

03:17:52.200 by the way so were were you kicked out of any of these conventions okay so this is a uh such an

03:17:59.800 interesting story the first day of the convention i was inside of the building so this was taken okay

03:18:06.920 this entire building took place at the um trying to get the name right it's the my french is rusty

03:18:14.280 hear but the the english translation is the convention center of montreal the yeah basically

03:18:20.840 and it's a big publicly owned building like there's a subway um there's like a metro station

03:18:25.480 in this building and there's like a like a convenience store uh there's there's a there's a

03:18:32.120 tim hortons there's restaurants it's kind of like a mall right but there's a very large convention

03:18:38.680 center inside of this building where the liberal part be rented to kind of have their convention

03:18:45.000 right so like i'm allowed to go in the building it's public i just can't go inside of their

03:18:52.520 rented area which i did not go in okay well i i i this is i i didn't get any of this on camera but

03:19:01.000 i because my cameraman he's kind of he's kind of retarded sometimes but we said that we were media

03:19:08.040 and then they allowed us in the building and we got pretty far and then when we when they asked

03:19:12.520 for our names we just like lied and then they're like we don't have a badge for you and we're like

03:19:17.720 fuck anyways whatever so we got escorted out but whatever um yeah um so i was outside of the

03:19:27.240 convention i was outside of the space they rented and i was asking like liberal mps when they would

03:19:34.480 come out questions. I asked Matt Jenner a question. I asked Fanjoy a question. I asked LeBlanc a

03:19:40.860 question. I asked Chang a question. This one's going to get important. And I asked McKinnon a

03:19:47.800 question. And I did a whole day doing this. I asked people, like liberal supporters who were

03:19:54.920 standing outside in the palais, in the public space, questions, right? When they're waiting

03:20:02.400 in line to get inside i did a whole i did videos on this and then the next day day two i walk inside

03:20:08.920 the building i see paul chang and i go up to him and i'm like mr paul chang because i i did a

03:20:15.340 follow-up because the previous day i asked paul chang about joe tay the bounty uh ccp interference

03:20:22.900 i got this one too with paul chang so that is the one that's the that that's the third one where i

03:20:28.680 i caught him a third time because he's so stupid so uh basically that happened day one so day two

03:20:35.400 i try to go and then security ambushes me while i'm trying to ask my question i get kicked out

03:20:40.680 they tell me i got a 48 hour ban from the entire building but that thing is you are press liberal

03:20:48.440 party officials went to the like the owners like not the owners but like the managers that

03:20:57.640 are paid by your tax dollars to go put a ban on me and my cameraman for 48 hours

03:21:08.680 that is insane pranks but you're literally just asking them about the things they said

03:21:14.200 not being disruptive like not yelling not screaming just asking questions and that was enough

03:21:20.600 a whole day of that was enough for us to go back and they kicked us out for 48 hours and rebel

03:21:26.520 news like um sheila gun reid right she she she she went to committee and she talked about how

03:21:33.480 their journalists were not allowed uh the accredited media badge uh uh i got the better

03:21:42.340 story here because every time i had to literally spend the entire weekend outside in the cold and

03:21:50.160 if i would try to go inside the building they paid police police with your taxpayer dollars

03:21:56.980 and the security guards also your taxpayer dollars to go keep an eye on us so we tried to go inside

03:22:03.120 for some hot air because we were we were getting sick and then the police came right there and

03:22:09.440 they told us to go back outside like we were not allowed to step foot in that building yeah it seems

03:22:15.820 it was nuts anyways you is more of the enemy and i wanted to ask you we mentioned rebel news

03:22:22.000 where do you stand on rebel news and rebel media rather i gave them my story like their reporter

03:22:28.080 was there and we were like doing gotcha uh with the ministers um at the same time at the same spot

03:22:36.440 and they're uh alexandra i forget her last name but she gave me some tips and tricks and on how

03:22:43.720 on how to confront them and how to frame the question very nice woman and she gave me an

03:22:48.120 interview explaining my ban and sheila gunreed as the chief and editor she just cut that out

03:22:54.200 and when she went into committee in the house of commons in ottawa she also did not tell me did not

03:22:59.400 say my story when she was by the way a committee about uh or hearing whatever about independent

03:23:06.040 journalism about how it's being crushed and i got the better story they crushed me harder than they

03:23:11.640 crushed rebel news and she didn't even like not only did she cut my story from her video but she

03:23:19.880 didn't mention it at committee and she's the like the chief and editor or the editor-in-chief or

03:23:25.240 whatever but like that that that low-key really pissed me off i i didn't like say anything because

03:23:31.480 it's not worth like picking fights but now that we're talking about it i'm gonna say it

03:23:35.000 i've met ezra levant um i've met david menzi i went uh i applied to go to the um journalism uh

03:23:44.160 what is it it's like the um the uh i'm blanking on the name but basically there's like a a conference

03:23:50.840 um a journalism conference that is about free speech and the rebel news they fund it uh was

03:23:59.420 Western standard, they fund it. Uh, true North like Juno, they fund it. So I applied, got an

03:24:07.500 interview, did it. And then they paid for my plane ticket hotel. And then I got to meet Ezra and he

03:24:14.020 was a speaker and all these other big name journalists. Uh, this one, the democracy fund.

03:24:19.420 Thank you. Yeah. So I did that one in 25. Yeah. And I was there and I actually, uh, cause you,

03:24:25.960 you had a project that you had to do and you had to make like a news story from scratch and my

03:24:32.260 project that i i don't want to say that it was all me but it was all me you know and i i took

03:24:39.960 control of a little bit i was telling people what to do and i edited the whole thing uh i came up

03:24:45.080 with the whole subject it was about um uh quebec's secular bill or whatever and um i won the grand

03:24:53.800 prize my my my team won the prize where i got new equipment and stuff like that so uh yeah and then

03:25:01.800 ezra followed me on the spot that was like pretty cool so so they did have a they're aware of you

03:25:06.760 they had a relationship with you can you think of any reason aside from seeing you as competition

03:25:13.240 why they would be trying to suppress your story or ignore your story uh and not just rebels like

03:25:19.640 have you noticed the same thing with true north or is it mainly a rebel media phenomenon uh juno

03:25:26.440 news uh i know malcolm like candace malcolm she follows me kian bexty he follows me so i i i have

03:25:34.280 his like number so i just like text him sometimes like asking for advice and he gives it to me um

03:25:42.360 very very like cool chill i'm actually in that photo you can i'm i'm the tall guy in the back

03:25:46.760 there with the suit and the glasses but yeah i'm gonna play this but with the sound off here okay

03:25:52.680 yeah um so at the conference you can see sheila gun read she's there and she was kind of like

03:25:58.840 directing the whole thing right she was she was taking charge of it and she did not like me um

03:26:04.440 i asked her i said like i went up to her when she came in the room and i saw her for the very first

03:26:08.920 time hey it's me uh my hair was a little a lot shorter but that's bruce party he was he's really

03:26:15.720 really good. That's Kate Marlin. She unfollowed me.

03:26:17.720 I have no idea why.

03:26:20.100 Interesting people here.

03:26:22.080 There you are.

03:26:23.660 It's a pretty cool place. There I am

03:26:25.680 in the back.

03:26:27.380 That guy is Zach. He has very buff

03:26:29.560 arms. She's got some interesting

03:26:31.740 tattoos. What sort of tattoos

03:26:33.260 are on her arm?

03:26:34.460 Her tactically short sleeves

03:26:37.780 to show it off. Acting like,

03:26:39.400 I don't know.

03:26:42.620 That's bringing back

03:26:43.620 some memories there.

03:26:45.060 I was Ezra event looking as bad as he's ever looked well he's not ah well he's he's I'm not

03:26:52.960 gonna burn bridges um but he's a nice guy he was very nice he uh he follows me I follow him back

03:27:00.120 I like his work I don't agree with like everything that um rebel does but I think

03:27:06.620 they're a they're a like in in the long run they're a a net positive um i i i think like

03:27:17.000 stuff like this like like the alberta separation thing that they just started doing like the

03:27:21.520 campaign for rebel news i disagree with that am i gonna be an asshole and tweet about how horrible

03:27:27.560 it is no so that's that's that's uh how i'm gonna be i'll tell you what i will be an asshole let's

03:27:33.680 look at everything wrong with ezra levant's body in this photo max does not co-sign any of this

03:27:40.580 i am not i am not co-signing mr levant um okay hey he blocked me for a long time we're going

03:27:48.440 to talk about the shoes those are some idiotic shoes to have look at everyone else is wearing

03:27:52.760 shoes for the occasion he's wearing beat sneakers he does not know how to stand he's standing i

03:27:58.540 don't know how to describe it too dead on he looks like a drawing he looks he

03:28:03.260 looks like he was photoshopped in I'm not loving that all right kids he's got

03:28:07.400 a smirk I can't have that smirk out in the world I'm just telling look I'm

03:28:14.080 saying this is not Max's thing this is my thing I mr. Levant I do not share

03:28:19.180 listen to me now you gotta fix your uh your body

03:28:26.240 you gotta fix your your essence sir um anyway sorry i'm not i'm gonna get off of this topic

03:28:35.160 um yeah so that was i know we gotta get going soon actually but i wanted to uh

03:28:40.360 sorry so that was the story of the conference that's the story of your relationship with rebel

03:28:45.900 media and uh sheila gunreed uh she just didn't really like me like when i saw her for the first

03:28:52.720 time i i don't think i have to say this but when i saw her for the first time i went up to her and

03:28:56.220 i said hey i really i really like your work i respect you a lot she's like very awkward and

03:29:01.060 cold and she was like oh thank you uh yeah thank you and i'm like okay and i walked away and then

03:29:08.320 i had the balls to go back and say have you ever seen any of my work she's like yes and i was like

03:29:15.360 and then that was it that was just the awkward yes and then she just did not say if she liked

03:29:21.180 it or not but it's implied that she didn't like it oh i'm gonna tell you right now i hate that

03:29:25.140 interaction i'm way angrier than you are at this and for the entire weekend she was like that to

03:29:31.900 me entire weekend she was like that to me so the the the the hostility by not even including my

03:29:41.180 interview by not saying my story and making a big impact for independent journalism at that

03:29:47.760 committee in the house of commons by just like mentioning my not even like you don't have to

03:29:53.260 mention my name i don't even care mention my story mention what happened to me it's impactful to all

03:29:59.000 people who want to be independent journalists put that in the answer like i don't know if i were at

03:30:07.060 that conference she would have a forehead sized smash in her hotel mirror and she wouldn't know

03:30:13.780 how it got there she just come in one day look it looks like someone got brain damage on my mirror

03:30:17.900 okay it's me hi i'm wearing a comically large cowboy hat to hide the gash on my forehead

03:30:27.100 walking stumbling stumbling through

03:30:30.580 i'm here for max i remember my guy max i i i really i really did not have the attention to

03:30:41.860 like shit on any of these people i don't i don't i still i still respect you uh miss miss or he

03:30:49.500 you have not done anything you he's been a peach i want that to be known this is all me i'm returning

03:30:57.060 to burn bridges and throw

03:30:59.100 matches into the river

03:31:01.160 frustrated.

03:31:03.200 You are walking towards the

03:31:05.120 bridges with a fucking flamethrower.

03:31:07.780 That's what you're doing

03:31:09.080 right now. Spraying a flamethrower at

03:31:10.740 the crevasse

03:31:12.740 where the bridge once stood.

03:31:18.060 Here's this.

03:31:20.200 Who's she again?

03:31:21.360 Christina Tesser Dirksen about housing

03:31:23.220 prices. What's she got to say for herself?

03:31:26.020 Let's see.

03:31:26.360 she looks like a real silly lady let's see where are you from um milton east and you're a liberal

03:31:31.900 mp yes um i have a question for you sure what's your name uh my name is max um i'm just wondering

03:31:37.560 um why so many young canadians like myself like i can't afford a home and i'm wondering like what

03:31:42.820 is the liberal party doing in order to help that uh well i actually have my daughter with me she's

03:31:48.340 in her mid-20s and she just got married last year and they're hoping to save up for home as well i

03:31:53.240 actually have four young adult children at home who are trying to save up so I understand the

03:31:57.800 challenge I'm looking at firsthand I think it's a supply and demand issue partially so what we

03:32:03.120 have to do is catalyze home building in our country because when the supply increases the

03:32:07.060 prices go down right now this is a big issue and it requires a lot of policy contemplation and

03:32:13.200 implementation and specifically working very closely with our municipalities I was a municipal

03:32:17.580 counselor before housing was a big issue that we had to deal with because municipalities are the

03:32:21.860 that are issuing the building permits and doing all the long-term planning for development

03:32:25.860 so there's a conversation there between all levels of government including the provincial

03:32:29.780 government which mandate housing uh numbers as well and we have to make sure the municipalities

03:32:35.060 have the financial support they need to build the infrastructure that supports housing like transit

03:32:39.060 and services like water wastewater and utilities what about drastically reducing word salad because

03:32:46.020 it seems like that ratio um housing and people it's not right and it's inflating the price of

03:32:50.660 housing yeah well you've heard the prime minister say on record that uh i was actually at a press

03:32:54.980 conference during the campaign where he was asked this very question by a reporter and his words

03:32:58.420 were look too many people came too fast there's no point welcoming people if we cannot support

03:33:03.300 them with what they need as far as housing and jobs uh so you've seen the immigration numbers

03:33:07.940 drastically reduced drastically it's a type of policy that takes like at that point you have to

03:33:14.900 a lie at that point they've drastically i remember they were talking it's no longer half a million

03:33:21.380 uh it's just like 450 000. one of the lines we always come back to on the show is by the time

03:33:28.380 a liberal has admitted fault in anything they've done it's too late you've crossed the rubric on

03:33:34.540 the ship has hit the iceberg right because and that's why remigration exists okay there is a

03:33:42.440 consensus that you brought in too many too fast what are you going to do about it well you could

03:33:46.920 actually send them back that's the only thing that makes sense frankly or you can start to petition

03:33:53.780 to have a conversation about building more houses and well to do that you need sewers to do that

03:34:00.920 like she's trying to sell you on how difficult it is i was you know i'm not trying to make this into

03:34:06.500 a covid thing but one thing we learned with covid was the government can pretty much do whatever it

03:34:13.140 wants whenever it wants pretty fast and just find money for things so stop when it comes to things

03:34:20.920 that we care about that we think are crises all of a sudden it's a 25 year plan to give the

03:34:28.020 shittiest version of it but when something that you want it's it gets done with rapidity you know

03:34:34.540 I mean, so like no one's buying this shit anymore.

03:34:36.620 It's like, well, we need it done fast.

03:34:38.340 It's actually not what needs to be done.

03:34:39.800 It's the speed.

03:34:40.600 We need it done fast.

03:34:41.700 I want it done now because I'm a fucking citizen.

03:34:44.480 So what gets it done fast is sending them back

03:34:46.860 because you admitted that you made a whoopsie-daisy

03:34:51.200 by bringing them in.

03:34:52.580 So what we're going to do is, okay, hey,

03:34:54.500 here's how you make up for it.

03:34:55.460 Send them fucking back.

03:34:56.860 That's actually the only thing you can do

03:34:59.240 for this problem we both admit exists.

03:35:01.420 and then it's good to just drill them with that because i mean i don't even know if they know

03:35:07.780 that i think they just want the conversation to end i look in her eyes i'm like what you're not

03:35:14.260 you're not cut out for this you're just some lady you're some lady with four kids and you start

03:35:19.180 working for the municipality and i bet you had a lot of spunk i bet you had a lot of energy and

03:35:25.000 people thought you're a little leslie nope and now you're here above your station saying nothing

03:35:31.020 and accomplishing nothing and just saying trying to convince you how hard it is to fix a problem

03:35:36.360 that's all this fucking conversation is telling you like it's real hard yeah no it's not i have

03:35:41.660 an easy ron swanson to uh come in and start knocking some sense into her um but yeah i i i

03:35:48.700 mean like yeah like she's like the like the drainage and like the sewers and it's like lady

03:35:54.660 shut up like just shut up you know nothing you know nothing like i i have a friend and he's a

03:36:02.460 framer he builds houses for a living and he said that he can build like a house in 15 hours and

03:36:09.340 he's done it before like the guy has built like two houses or three houses in like 24 or 48 hours

03:36:16.100 and he's been doing it his whole life and well i mean not his whole life but since he was a

03:36:22.400 teenager and he's now a little bit older than me he's also a re-migrationist but i'm i'm i'm gonna

03:36:28.380 start calling us that re-migrationist but no i mean like like it's like actually pretty complicated

03:36:36.640 no it kind of really isn't no i want to see this woman build the houses and send them back it's not

03:36:42.540 that complicated i know i want to see this woman describe how to build a house just off the dome

03:36:48.480 It's like, well, you got the wood?

03:36:50.020 You got the attic?

03:36:51.000 Where's the attic going?

03:36:52.220 Where's, you know, the basement?

03:36:53.520 Is that made out of wood, too?

03:36:55.220 Or is it, you know, I've got a daughter that's looking for her.

03:36:59.060 Well, I've got a friend that eats politicians.

03:37:02.400 If we're talking about people we know,

03:37:04.080 we're just having a conversation about people that relate to this?

03:37:07.520 I don't know.

03:37:09.460 Sorry.

03:37:10.040 We're getting to the part of the interview where I go off the rails,

03:37:12.440 as we can plainly see.

03:37:13.620 It started off so nice, didn't it?

03:37:16.000 Yeah.

03:37:16.120 I just get, I just, I got, I got so much hate in my heart for useless bureaucrats that you're confronting them with a problem.

03:37:26.060 I can't afford a house.

03:37:27.460 And she's telling you to go fuck yourself and multiply that against every single issue that you might have.

03:37:33.580 Groceries are too expensive.

03:37:34.880 Well, I got a dog that has cancer.

03:37:37.000 And, okay, yeah, just insane things.

03:37:39.600 It's like, well, what we need to do is we need to get in touch with the manufacturers of groceries, you dizzy broad.

03:37:48.980 First of all, not knowing how it works, but then not caring to know, which is more damning.

03:37:58.040 Everyone's coming here to listen to Max and hear just me saying all the things I want to do to these people.

03:38:04.400 I was thinking about this.

03:38:05.840 I think I would be the most perfect politician ever because I'm very honest.

03:38:15.560 I don't like lying.

03:38:17.600 And for me, this is the mentality that my dad has, and he's taught me since I was very young.

03:38:26.120 Don't lie because it's difficult to remember your lies.

03:38:32.020 The lazy and easy way is to just tell the truth.

03:38:35.840 and he's right if you tell the truth everything's going to go your way

03:38:39.360 yeah and also adjacent to the lie is the strategy where you're not lying but i'm going to

03:38:47.940 not say what i mean because i think it's strategically advantageous in the moment

03:38:54.980 which has the exact same result you know you misunderstand your own strategy or you overestimate

03:39:00.980 whether or not your strategy will work so you're just someone who convinced himself

03:39:04.220 to not live in the truth

03:39:06.120 and to politic

03:39:08.620 in your little Machiavellian way

03:39:10.780 and then you still lose

03:39:11.720 and then so you're a liar who lost.

03:39:14.980 Wouldn't it have been nice to lose

03:39:16.780 while telling the truth,

03:39:17.880 while standing on principle?

03:39:21.060 And some people do for so long

03:39:22.760 they forget what it's like to have principles,

03:39:24.520 don't they?

03:39:25.560 You get so old

03:39:26.960 and you've been this cretin

03:39:29.120 that you fashioned yourself as for so long

03:39:31.820 you don't know what it's like

03:39:33.120 to be any other way. It's like someone who gets hooked on

03:39:35.420 meth. Eventually, you've been on

03:39:37.500 meth longer than you've not been on meth.

03:39:39.420 You actually don't know what it's like to be sober anymore.

03:39:42.020 That's a real problem for people who've

03:39:43.460 been doing it for a long time.

03:39:44.940 A lot of these old heads, you don't know

03:39:47.480 what it's like to speak the truth

03:39:49.320 anymore. In fact, if you see someone speaking the

03:39:51.420 truth, that seems

03:39:52.780 caustic and frightening to you.

03:39:55.780 I think that's where so many of them are at.

03:39:58.960 Why

03:39:59.280 get so riled up against someone like

03:40:01.440 you?

03:40:03.120 Yeah, I mean, power corrupts. And the only way to fix it is to remove it. Like, you know, you don't give an alcoholic another drink, you take away the bottle and you pour the remaining ones down the drain. So it is time to take the bottle away from these disgusting politicians and pour every single one down the drain. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's probably what I would do.

03:40:29.400 uh yeah but they're just power hungry the only thing they've really ever known is power and

03:40:36.320 they're not built for power like i like like i said i'd probably be a pretty good politician

03:40:42.580 because i uh like within you know like probably like like 10 years or 15 years when everyone's

03:40:51.480 tired of these disgusting liars i i just don't lie so i would just be honest with people and i

03:40:57.400 won't do stupid shit because i don't want to deal with the consequences so uh yeah also a big uh

03:41:04.940 tectonic shift is going to occur within the next what 10 15 years once the boomers finally shuffle

03:41:14.280 off this mortal coil and i say that with no glee but it is going to happen and i think that's going

03:41:20.480 to change the political landscape the financial landscape the media landscape certainly because

03:41:25.620 I think you're going to see cable news and newspapers actually just go away, and that is going to be a big deal that happens.

03:41:32.760 There's going to be a lot of, I mean, talk about layoffs, but then talk about just the media ecosystem changing, and then money that doesn't know where to land or allocate.

03:41:42.200 So when we talk about opportunities for mainstream politics, we're so used in this space to say, you know, forget it, you know, just be on the side of revolution or something.

03:41:54.260 But I get the sense that within our lifetime, certainly yours, there's going to be more opportunities for younger people to hijack these systems or assume control of them.

03:42:07.240 And then what are they going to do with it?

03:42:09.340 I actually don't know.

03:42:10.720 But I just think that's not part of the conversation as much as you think.

03:42:14.900 imagine a world where the new boomers are gen xers like that's that's that's yeah that's

03:42:27.940 what frank bennett says here keep in mind old gen x on a 55 plus are starting to turn into boomer

03:42:32.640 yeah yes exactly i didn't want to throw gen x under the butts because that became popular

03:42:39.320 recently it's like you don't like boomers guess what gen x are worse i don't like the intergenerational

03:42:44.520 war we've got going on however

03:42:46.780 Gen X

03:42:47.740 they're a little bit more conservative

03:42:50.480 they're a little bit more

03:42:52.660 thick skinned a little bit

03:42:56.200 I remember some Gen X guys like even the liberals

03:42:58.700 you know they're

03:43:00.260 still trying to be punk rock

03:43:02.000 they think something like a guy like Tom

03:43:04.460 Morello is really

03:43:06.060 exciting like they fall

03:43:08.400 for a lot of like corporate

03:43:10.100 a corporate brand

03:43:12.660 or corporate band

03:43:14.460 that is against corporations that's their thing it's kind of like a safe sort of rebellion

03:43:20.200 so but i'm like you know it that that is a commoditized version of radicalism i'm not

03:43:26.840 trying to paint with too broad of a brush here but uh no you know hey i'm a millennial i'm already

03:43:32.740 starting to get corny as hell it'll happen to you man yeah it'll happen to all of us but yeah it's

03:43:39.560 a part of aging i guess but um yeah you yeah that's a pretty good description of um gen xers

03:43:48.520 and just like this guy's got the term x-annials like jenna young gen x millennial i've heard of

03:43:58.500 zillennial but not x-annials yeah i think because like young like gen gen zers like

03:44:07.240 um zoomers is is a is a pretty good term calling us zoomers um i see they really fucked us up though

03:44:18.520 with gen x because they're the first generation to name themselves gen x and we just had to stick

03:44:22.820 with the alphabet theme and now we're at gen a it's we need to break from this they used to

03:44:30.160 Just names for generations that really, like the lost generation, a very unserious name.

03:44:37.480 You know, Millennials is kind of cool, or at least it sounded cool to us at the time.

03:44:44.300 It's not anymore.

03:44:45.540 No.

03:44:46.080 We had an opportunity to call Gen Z something else.

03:44:48.940 You could have been anything.

03:44:51.460 You could have been, you know, what's a cool thing?

03:44:55.960 You could have been the shark generation.

03:44:58.020 Fuck it.

03:44:58.420 I don't know.

03:44:58.920 i don't know what gen gen z thinks is cool or do you guys like shark week that was big for my

03:45:06.840 generation no i i i i i don't know i i don't know what's uh what's like cool with uh i i i i'm

03:45:18.380 i'm just like a i'm like a i'm an old guy in the body of a young guy like i i don't do anything

03:45:26.960 you're an old soul i guess you could kind of say yeah like kind of um i've never been a normal

03:45:36.200 teenager at all never um i've never like made any friends in sounds horrible i've never made

03:45:46.520 it's like such a loser mentality or just a loser thing that happened but i i never made any friends

03:45:52.440 in high school at all all my friends that i've made this is going to sound worse all my friends

03:45:58.160 that are that that i've made have been um in like the conservative party or um just like

03:46:07.900 yeah like like my like my first friends that i have made good friends have been in politics

03:46:16.900 when i was in the ppc back in 2014 sorry uh my bad back when i was 14 or um in 2023 when there

03:46:25.640 was a by-election in winnipeg and i volunteered for that one uh that's my that that's that's

03:46:32.260 when i started making like really good friends now look at you now you're the popular guy

03:46:37.460 now you're the

03:46:39.100 they call him the prom king

03:46:42.280 of the dissident right

03:46:43.380 yeah

03:46:46.380 I did not go

03:46:48.400 to any of that

03:46:49.240 high school events

03:46:52.100 I was too cool to go to the dances

03:46:54.400 I went to some at the end but

03:46:55.860 yeah I was such a dark

03:46:58.660 I'm such a dark

03:47:00.260 interesting guy back then

03:47:02.100 you know and then

03:47:03.960 I didn't age out of it and just became an

03:47:06.220 unlikable adult and then

03:47:08.160 start the podcast

03:47:09.380 but you're

03:47:11.680 I always say this to people I know we gotta get going soon

03:47:14.240 but to do this

03:47:16.060 thing that we're doing right now

03:47:18.080 you need to be strange

03:47:19.840 you need to be sort of a fringe

03:47:21.920 personality you probably wouldn't even view yourself

03:47:24.040 that way but I mean you

03:47:26.020 are the desire to be on

03:47:28.140 mic or be in front of a camera

03:47:29.840 is outrageous

03:47:31.400 why would anyone want to do that so there's already

03:47:34.020 something kind of off about us

03:47:36.080 even pursue this to pursue this and make almost to put everything on the line to put job prospects

03:47:42.720 on the line hell your life and livelihood on the line um just to you know say shit into a microphone

03:47:51.380 i wouldn't i wouldn't recommend that i don't want my son to do that i want him to do something real

03:47:56.400 but you know but you have to come to terms with the fact that yeah you own your story

03:48:03.400 That sounds like a self-help guy there, right?

03:48:05.760 But, yeah, you come to terms with the fact that

03:48:08.140 the path you're on is the only path you ever could have gone on.

03:48:12.300 And there's something off about even doing this,

03:48:15.100 but, oh, that's cool.

03:48:17.820 I don't know.

03:48:18.380 I'm at an age where I don't know how to be anyone other than me.

03:48:21.340 I can't even really think about the past.

03:48:23.700 You get very existential.

03:48:25.480 Once you're 32, you'll start thinking like this.

03:48:28.560 You'll start thinking.

03:48:29.060 You'll get real wise

03:48:31.620 and then subjecting young people

03:48:34.840 to your thoughts on things.

03:48:40.000 And then, guess what?

03:48:41.520 And then you'll have a family.

03:48:43.140 You'll get married.

03:48:44.040 You'll have a family.

03:48:44.860 And you'll be like me.

03:48:45.820 And then you'll hear a guy like you say,

03:48:48.120 oh man, I'm in my basement a lot.

03:48:49.580 I'm like, I tell you what,

03:48:50.400 I went outside a lot this week.

03:48:53.480 And you know what?

03:48:54.300 I'm sick of it.

03:48:55.760 I'm sitting in a park, birds chirping.

03:48:58.420 it's the first warm day of the season

03:49:00.900 enough of this shit

03:49:02.240 it's a bunch of shit

03:49:03.840 what I want to do is sit in a basement

03:49:05.780 what I want to do is live in a lighthouse

03:49:08.640 and go insane

03:49:09.640 but I gotta take the kids out to the splash pad

03:49:12.760 I gotta go drive to the store

03:49:14.920 hate it enough

03:49:16.580 that's Freaky Friday right now

03:49:18.620 man let's get out of this

03:49:19.760 that's actually what I did today

03:49:21.680 today was the first warm day of

03:49:24.660 the season and

03:49:26.440 I walk outside

03:49:27.740 i went on a walk and i went to this like local korean place and i got ramen and i hate ramen

03:49:36.520 um it's disgusting it's messy it's like you're fucking slurping this shit and it's like

03:49:43.180 grease all over you and i hate it and i hate it slurp it i get okay one of these days i have no

03:49:50.840 idea how to eat it but it was the worst you back in here i'm gonna take you to the wrong place

03:49:54.040 because i'm cuckoo for ramen really um because i'm not a big soup guy i never liked soup a lot

03:50:01.520 growing up but i found uh ramen's got this really nice rich almost stew-like broth and i don't know

03:50:08.700 i go crazy for that that and like uh i don't know i'm big into asian soups now now that i think of

03:50:15.180 it which you wouldn't think so because i don't like uh pho i don't like that vietnamese soup too thin

03:50:21.180 interesting yeah and i'm really boring the shit out of people right now i apologize

03:50:26.340 you got me going on ramen well another 45 minutes i mean well i mean like uh after i was done with

03:50:33.740 the ramen it wasn't it wasn't that bad but it was it was pretty bad i mean worst worst dish i've had

03:50:39.760 in a really long time i gotta learn how to i i gotta learn how to eat that but i don't want the

03:50:44.760 risk like i like this sweater and it like i own like two cats um i like my cats but i i i like

03:50:52.940 animals you know but i i got i got cat fur on this and i got now i got grease on it i'm like

03:50:57.960 dude you got the grease he got the cat fur it's just not before we go let me ask you look what's

03:51:03.920 your favorite food before we go i have i have no clue actually right now i really like um

03:51:12.760 I really like

03:51:14.500 let me

03:51:17.480 go in my garbage

03:51:18.860 I like

03:51:23.200 bounty buyers right now

03:51:25.500 those are good

03:51:27.140 I didn't think I'd like

03:51:29.400 coconut flavored stuff

03:51:30.920 but something works about them

03:51:32.640 I just recently discovered bounty buyers

03:51:35.160 and they're probably like

03:51:36.340 one of my favorite things right now

03:51:39.440 there's like

03:51:40.780 six of these in my trash

03:51:42.460 hey no you're again not to speed running diabetes right now but yeah i don't have to play the old

03:51:49.780 timer card but you're at an age where you can eat like an asshole and it's still okay it's it's not

03:51:56.300 reflected in like your weight but you hit like 26 and your metabolism just shuts off and so that's

03:52:03.220 when people have to start like exercise but this is the time if you want to eat a bag of chips to

03:52:07.900 yourself this is the the salad days for that yeah i'm also like i talk a lot about food i find that

03:52:16.100 interesting before i got into marketing i went to chef training so i worked in restaurants for

03:52:20.160 a long time too oh anyway i'm really bad at like cooking i got i got like an air fryer and that's

03:52:27.440 like what i use now for for everything it's like universal like i want to heat up fries

03:52:33.680 i got i motherfucker i got two air fryers that's just crazy i got a lot of people who hate me

03:52:40.680 you can like just like get like cold mcdonald's fries put them in the air fryer and they're like

03:52:46.860 brand new like it's the best way to make fries period also if you want uh i think the best way

03:52:53.660 to do vegetables is on the barbecue but second best for like asparagus and anything is probably

03:52:58.500 the air fryer uh i don't know if you're into that again you'll get to an age where you need to be

03:53:03.920 into vegetables right now you don't need to you can just have like vegetable flavored chips

03:53:07.680 but uh yeah this is probably enough i got two air fryers is is that that that is yeah my my dad

03:53:17.320 like he's a really good cook so he would make like asparagus and stuff like that over the

03:53:23.100 summertime like on the barbecue like you said actually he really likes barbecue

03:53:27.860 so he's a smart man i can tell yeah yeah he he uh he is but yeah we um yeah he and he like made

03:53:37.120 our family like a lot of stuff on the barbecue he loves experimenting with cooking it's always

03:53:42.740 really good stuff because he knows what he's doing and he's not a retard so uh my only thing

03:53:47.680 about asparagus is that like um this might sound kind of gross but like it makes your piss smell

03:53:55.200 really weird oh yeah i hate that's part of it it's part of the joy of asparagus you gotta

03:53:59.900 if you learn to love that you're golden um but yeah i don't know what it is about the um

03:54:08.180 it's only asparagus too but it doesn't happen with beans i'm almost like 40 and i just started

03:54:16.060 getting into broccoli like a year ago because my parents didn't really cook them my dad passed

03:54:22.800 way when I was quite young but when he was alive he he liked to barbecue but my mom did not cook

03:54:28.980 so I made it to my 20s just assuming there was a lot of foods that they just she just made wrong

03:54:35.140 or I never had I'm like oh I guess I don't like that like I never had good roast beef until I was

03:54:39.760 like 27 I just thought I didn't like roast beef but then I had like a nice place and it was like

03:54:45.320 rare and shit and I'm like oh this there's it turns out there's good food out there it's not

03:54:51.260 just pizza and you know mcdonald's going to mcdonald's and asking for a mcgang bang if you

03:54:58.240 find like a cool guy he'll put the the burger and the chicken patty on and you thinking you're a

03:55:04.660 genius that's that's what we would do yeah i i mean um there is like i i live in winnipeg and

03:55:13.480 i went to there's neighborhood and it's just like north northeast and it's kind of out there

03:55:21.720 and i went to go visit around that area because one of my good friends he he lives there and he

03:55:28.560 said there's a really good steakhouse there's a really good steakhouse we we gotta go we gotta

03:55:33.060 go today and i'm like i don't have i don't want to pay for that i can't afford that he's like i

03:55:38.380 just got my i i got my first paycheck because he he works at like an auto shop now i'm like okay

03:55:43.700 yeah sure let's go because he'll he said he said you'll pay for me so we go there it's called a

03:55:48.600 raise and they have like the blm sticker and they have the gay pride sticker and we look at this and

03:55:54.500 we're like uh is this stick that good and he's like yeah and they got really good fries and i'm

03:56:01.220 like okay so we go inside and it was amazing service it was the best service i think i've

03:56:06.680 i've really ever had in winnipeg and the steak was the best steak i've ever had in my life i've

03:56:13.480 had a lot of steak i've had a lot of steak i've but this is the best steak and i kid you not like

03:56:19.280 best fries as well extremely underrated gem and um there's this like this like waiter or this

03:56:27.180 manager or the owner i don't know who he was but he kept like keeping an eye on us and i was and

03:56:34.200 he kept asking how the food was wasn't doing it to anybody and then before he left for his like

03:56:40.280 to leave i guess home or whatever this ended he gave me a 75 gift card to the restaurant and he

03:56:47.000 said i love your work on twitter and then he just left no way that was crazy i i i never got

03:56:53.720 recognized like that i've got recognized someone times but not like that that was that was insane

03:57:01.460 I've been recognized by someone who's in a position to help you out, too.

03:57:06.800 Not just, you know, blood satellite listener crawls out of the gutter covered in seaweed and says, are you dimes?

03:57:15.680 Max over here, he's got like a man who can make some moves, giving him $75 to the best steak place he's ever.

03:57:23.700 That's a story that keeps you going, really.

03:57:25.680 yeah like that that that really like i was like wow okay i guess what i'm doing is is kind of

03:57:33.620 having an impact which was it's you're getting immediate returns that's the that's like one of

03:57:39.420 the best recognizing stories where it didn't turn into like a 45 minute conversation about you know

03:57:45.600 evola or something or some some dumb shit i said yeah like i mean like i i think consider it a

03:57:55.440 party convention i got recognized like multiple times right because you're you're in your space

03:58:00.740 like you're in the place where kind of like everyone who will follow you who will recognize

03:58:05.580 you they are there and um i got recognized by not older people like i was paying attention to

03:58:15.640 wyatt claypool to mario zalea to jasmine lane to all the mps and it was all these boomers all these

03:58:21.360 all these turban jeats and they're approaching them asking for photos the only people who are

03:58:27.360 approaching me were young people and not just like young men but like young women they knew

03:58:33.620 my name they're like hey max i watch your content and i really like your videos and like i really

03:58:38.520 appreciate like your like bravery on all these subjects that we can't talk about and they're

03:58:43.840 like i'm a staffer here and they're like i'm i'm i'm like i'm i'm the president of this like campus

03:58:49.640 club for this like major university and i'm just like what that's this is crazy and i met two

03:58:57.400 like millennial guys two but that was it out of the old people and you have to assume that these

03:59:06.440 older uh mps or whoever might be they're hearing from their younger staff about people like you

03:59:13.320 too so they're probably you know frustrated that you know not only are they hearing about you but

03:59:18.680 But they're, you know, I'm not a huge, I'm not like a Nick Fuentes fan, but there's something to be said where, you know, older people are hearing from their kids that they're watching Groyper shows and stuff.

03:59:29.940 So they're just, like, harassed by it in their homes all the time.

03:59:34.400 Yeah, they're, like, haunted by it.

03:59:36.020 Dude, I had people who approached me and, you know, they're like, and, you know, they're like a staffer for XYZ, member of, you know, parliament or whatever.

03:59:48.680 And, and, and they're like, I, I don't follow you because I can't follow you, but I do follow

03:59:54.460 you on my alt.

03:59:55.520 And it's just like, it's like, it's like, I know I've had people who like messaged me

04:00:01.540 and they're like, people I know are too afraid to follow you, but they have notifications

04:00:07.900 on, they watch all your videos.

04:00:09.740 I'm like, that's crazy.

04:00:12.540 And you know what?

04:00:13.060 I've heard that said about so many different people over the years, big names that can't follow this or that creator, and I find it frustrating now because I think these people in positions of power and influence, they could make it so it's not so scary to follow you publicly.

04:00:35.280 Like if you just had the attention, public attention and co-signing of some of these individuals, it wouldn't be so damning to follow you and they wouldn't need to use an alt account.

04:00:44.600 It's within their fucking power to help normalize and popularize and to help support you in some way.

04:00:53.180 But because they refuse to, you're always going to be consigned more to the margins than you should be.

04:00:57.720 And I just heard that for so many fucking years.

04:01:00.160 I'm like, this is a problem you all could solve right now.

04:01:05.280 Yeah, if they would just press that follow button.

04:01:10.020 Just follow Max.

04:01:11.180 Just follow Max and make it so Max could be a millionaire.

04:01:15.680 We call him Maximilian for that reason.

04:01:19.620 Anyway, we had a stop at an hour,

04:01:22.940 but we've been talking for nearly two hours

04:01:24.520 because I've been having just such a good time.

04:01:26.480 However, we do need to get going now,

04:01:28.200 and I wanted to ask you before we go,

04:01:30.460 do you have anything you would like to plug

04:01:33.840 other than your Twitter,

04:01:38.080 which I've shown a couple of times,

04:01:39.880 but I'm going to throw it up one more time here

04:01:41.860 just so people can see.

04:01:45.260 Here's your Twitter.

04:01:46.300 Is there any, or X rather,

04:01:48.460 and also I guess your co-fi there.

04:01:51.120 But yeah, anything else you would like to promote

04:01:53.020 or let people know about?

04:01:57.580 I mean, you can go subscribe to me on YouTube,

04:02:01.480 uh but i i would say like x is the main one that i'm really trying to i'm focusing on um

04:02:11.000 something something that i want to promote i would say for the year 2026 i plan on going to

04:02:21.740 brampton ontario and surrey british columbia and i'm going to go inside those cities and

04:02:30.240 investigate the syria extortion crisis and the ethnic replacement and also bremton ontario and

04:02:36.560 see if i can go check in on the immigration fraud um what locals have to say about their home

04:02:43.920 getting replaced and uh yeah i've heard some stories like i need to go see for myself that

04:02:51.840 i'm gonna i i think everyone needs to hear of oh uh they have like a city council where it's like

04:02:57.760 like a bunch of like and it's just like the their city council is just a bunch of like towel headed

04:03:02.480 jeets and it's like it's like they don't even speak english and locals have gotten really

04:03:09.200 pissed off so they come in and they try to ask some questions like while in session and they

04:03:14.700 just like don't answer and they just run out so i want to go try to see if i can ask them some

04:03:19.760 questions too and um uh i'm gonna move to ottawa in the summer that's that's my plan

04:03:29.380 i have a place like my mom has a friend or whatever and she wants to rent a room and

04:03:36.420 it's like dirt cheap i'm gonna be stupid not to take this opportunity so i'm gonna be expanding

04:03:43.560 my operation or operations like very well like i'm gonna be going to the west block standing

04:03:50.780 outside like that like those clips at the lpc convention imagine that but like practically on

04:03:57.520 the weekly basis almost maybe daily basis i go after mps conservative and liberals alike uh

04:04:04.740 2026 is is gonna be quite the year for uh independent journalism and 2027 is gonna be

04:04:13.120 even more insane and crazy this i'm thrilled to hear that i'm thrilled to hear about some

04:04:19.320 these projects sound larger in scope and very significant i'm happy that you're in a position

04:04:26.540 where you can pursue those and we will be keeping an eye on those and uh all right so that's all we

04:04:33.780 have for today everyone thank you so much for taking the time to tune in and thank you once

04:04:38.540 again max i was going to attempt your last name mr genet yes yes yes victory strikes again

04:04:49.080 all right thank you everyone for tuning in

04:04:51.640 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you peg

Blood Satellite - April 24, 2026

Genderplonked Milflennials are a Product of Late Stage Liberalism

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