00:08:45.080We'll nuke the walls of Toronto, let the echoes resound
00:08:49.340In the heart of Montreal, we'll reclaim the crown
00:08:52.920From the ruins of Vancouver, a new dawn will ignite
00:08:56.820Together we stand in the triumph of light
00:09:00.980In the shadows of Ottawa, where the evil ones tried
00:09:05.900We rise with the might of a storm, ready to fight
00:09:09.560With the flames of our fury, we'll bring forth destruction
00:09:13.440turning dreams into ashes of powerful eruptions kick out the immigrants we'll stand our ground
00:09:21.540in canada a new hope will be found with unity and strength we'll pave the way for a brighter
00:09:30.080tomorrow starting today so join the movement let's make it clear with judas and dimes we've
00:09:39.300got nothing to fear together we'll build a future so bright hope for judas let's ignite the light
00:09:48.780anyway um with that having been covered and i apologize for the lateness of that
00:09:54.380did you end up catching the debate between tim walls and jd bass i got i got the highlights i
00:10:02.620got the best parts i think because remember you watched the one between trump and kamala harris
00:10:07.040And I wasn't intending to cover it because in another genius move, I scheduled my interview, the last interview we did this week with Barack Obama on Tuesday.
00:10:20.720The second time I've done this where I scheduled something during the debate, not only during the evening of, but the minute the debate began.
00:10:29.360Despite that, we had a pretty good turnout for our interview and a lot of people enjoyed it.
00:14:11.900Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, a town of 400, town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.
00:14:24.460I joined the National Guard at 17, worked on family farms, and then I used the GI Bill to become a teacher, passionate about it, a young teacher.
00:14:33.140My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China.
00:19:51.780And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected status.
00:46:57.360i think he could sell people on that it'd be hard set up a new a new un like i would be for
00:47:04.100something like the un that puts a wall between the first world and the second and third world
00:47:10.340and all the first world countries agree that if any of them ever set foot in the third world for
00:47:15.560any reason for any fucking reason except for maybe colonization uh but for for a war reason
00:47:21.660no you should get bitch slapped like if america goes down there nato should be trying to strangle
00:47:26.400them not that they have the ability to but some system like that would be would be great because
00:47:30.460it really is you can see where we're at right now i know they didn't plan it this way but most of the
00:47:35.060shit we're dealing with right now not just there but if you look at the history of like um like
00:47:39.320malaya and the philippines and and everything that had gone on there through the 50s through
00:47:42.800the 70s it was the exact same shit it was us trying to change leadership and then you accidentally
00:47:48.760destroy the civilization and now you have a bunch of terrorists and who are then exported as
00:47:53.520refugees to the rest of the world like can you just stop you just stop doing that just let them
00:47:57.920be poor there is a precedent here in the powerful and distinct anglo desire to treat africa as one
00:48:08.160big game preserve well and that's you know what and that's why i said except for colonial
00:48:13.200build a fence around it and then we just hang out on the fence we look you know telescopes say look
00:48:17.860you know there's a nigger and then you see from a distance and and you get up to the cage and
00:48:23.080you feed him some pellets and that's all we need to do we're comfortable with that i like to imagine
00:48:28.400if the rhodesian model had been applied first across the rest of africa and then the indian
00:48:34.440subcontinent and then asia how amazing like we would be on venus by now if that had been done
00:48:40.140but we lost our nerve i like seeing everyone agree that rhodesia was cool rhodesia is maybe
00:48:47.780one of the greatest western nations that was ever you know i mean it was so short-lived but it was
00:48:52.200just it was a fucking from a government standpoint it was almost a utopia like the only criticism
00:48:59.080i've seen even rabid progressives make against rhodesia was that it was apartheid which it
00:49:05.080wasn't and you get to that that's all they've got they don't really have any proper analysis of it
00:49:10.680you just go whatever yeah like you know you don't believe it was de facto apartheid but also who
00:49:17.580gives a fuck it was not literal apartheid because blacks could actually vote and hold office and own
00:49:23.440land but they'd have to earn it which they can't how about your defacto apartheid yeah
00:49:28.560how about that good yeah so on the topic of israel and um iran yeah it's an ongoing sort of like as
00:49:39.680of today there's updates and i just wanted to bring that up to juxtapose that against our
00:49:45.880earlier predictions which was that for a long time people have been correctly saying nothing
00:49:51.120ever happens nothing's going to happen iran talks a big game like north korea you know they're going
00:49:57.200to do some exchanges for show send some warning shots but it's always going to regress back to
00:50:02.300the mean and i just i had this i don't know this feeling this inkling but i'm like maybe it's
00:50:08.840different this time because it can't not you know there things do happen you know i mean in my
00:50:17.060lifetime i've never seen the public relations between them and the you know the global consensus
00:50:23.040be this poor i'm like that has to mean something i don't know like i'm not putting all my eggs in
00:50:27.980the basket of iran but i don't know it just it's you know the winds feel different i think it
00:50:34.920definitely in the in light of what's happened it's probably gonna that probably definitely
00:50:39.200we'll start over there and then the other part of it is we as not just the u.s i say always say we
00:50:46.100as if u.s because like you know we're we're just another colony but um as great powers there was a
00:50:52.420time a long window there where we could choose to not get involved um but at this point uh china
00:51:00.580and the u.s are economically and demographically on borrowed time and iran recently i think it was
00:51:07.820a couple of years ago joined bricks and their new currency i think they're actually meeting in a few
00:51:12.260weeks to discuss the launch of their new currency so that they can all get off the dollar with a
00:51:17.140number of countries that have joined now from south america and india's joined and i think
00:51:20.820india was already in it but i think there's a number of other huge countries like a large large
00:51:25.620chunk of the global uh economy is now going to be in the bricks system and that's going to be the
00:51:32.020final nail in the coffin of of the petrodollar i i don't so they have like somebody look at i mean
00:51:38.140it is what it is right but well it is what it is in the sense that i've read the press releases that
00:51:42.780come out of bricks and they openly admit that they need the dollar to collapse before they could step
00:51:48.060in even like their most optimistic projections they're saying like yeah this is a great thing
00:51:53.300and when the dollar collapses then we can really rise up but i don't even think like what is bricks
00:51:58.420there's two countries and bricks that fucking matter look at it this way i mean i i don't want
00:52:03.220to discount the importance of russia china iran and india as a block economically like in terms
00:52:10.080of raw resources and manpower and the the health of their demographics as much as i hate iran and
00:52:15.360india demographically they're very strong countries and i mean if you want to say yeah
00:52:22.260we all have a big global system where we all need to depend on each other of course like china
00:52:25.920desperately needs u.s dollars but what happens if the u.s has sanctions on them and now u.s is
00:52:31.960already sanctioning iran and russia what happens if we sanction china you've just sanctioned the
00:52:37.200three largest members or the the first two and the fourth largest members of bricks
00:52:41.560so how like they essentially you forced them to drop the dollar to them the dollar is dead you
00:52:48.160see what i'm saying like if if this conflict accelerates you're i think what i'm saying is
00:52:54.400there's a bunch of underlying factors here that are going to come to the fore and are going to
00:52:58.740trip up the accelerator they're going to trip up us essentially because there's and i'm not even
00:53:04.180saying we're going to win i guess my point in bringing up originally the u.s and china
00:53:07.740is that nobody is in a good situation right now and there's a historical precedent for large powers
00:53:14.560starting wars they can't win in an effort to retake glory or save themselves or something i
00:53:22.140don't fucking know but it doesn't look good yeah my feeling on bricks based on what we've read is
00:53:28.740that it exists insofar as it wants to collapse america and american hegemony but i don't know
00:53:35.800the closer i look at their trade relationships they don't like each other like they don't want
00:53:40.580to be trading partners they hope for like a temporary alliance but they i think they know
00:53:45.300like there's no reason for south africa to be there india and china don't get along like that's
00:53:52.140why i said like china and russia are kind of the only ones that really matter in that india and
00:53:56.780china have been in a cold war since forever and all of those countries hate china with the new
00:54:03.040chinese belt and road initiative china has got all of their like deep sea ports and mines under
00:54:08.720like shark levels of debt and they're they're not happy about it man but it's the same thing where
00:54:15.580it's like we can deal with with nato with the u.s and get fucked that way or you can deal with the
00:54:21.680chinese and get fucked that way and it's no point is it's not good this is a mess man yeah i'm
00:54:28.900interested in hearing the forecasts of the petrodollar collapsing especially as it centers
00:54:36.980around london as a financial capital because there's some very interesting people who are
00:54:42.000talking about you know it's not even just america it's how the financial industry really focuses
00:54:47.020around uh the uk as we're and we're not going to get into that right now but that's something that
00:54:52.660a lot of the finance guys that i talked to i've been talking about so if there if there's a future
00:54:57.900for bricks it would be that anyway we need to move we've got a few other things to talk about
00:55:03.680And there's one that's related to that. And I'm just I want to see if I can get your read on this situation,
00:55:09.680because it's, first of all, ongoing. Second of all, just occurred.
00:55:14.740But have you been following at all the strike of the longshoremen in America?
00:55:20.380Yeah. Yeah, a little bit as much as anybody.
00:55:23.080Already walking the picket lines early this Tuesday in a strike over wages and automation that could reignite inflation and cause shortages of goods.
00:55:32.360If it goes on more than a few weeks, according to the Associated Press, the contracts between the ports and about forty five thousand members of the International Longshoremen's Association expired at midnight.
00:55:46.240And even though progress was reported in talks on Monday, the workers went on strike, as you're seeing right now.
00:55:53.320Yeah. So, you know, I think that affects us.
00:55:56.820Like I had to tell my wife and a lot of people weren't following it.
00:56:00.180It is news. It's not secret. But I don't think a lot of people understand how that might affect them. I think some Americans do. But, you know, the system shocks, I think, will be felt by this. This strike will be felt maybe not immediately, but eventually. Right. Is that would that be correct?
00:56:19.940absolutely i mean i i don't think it's like you said it's not going to affect us that much not
00:56:26.760only because we're not striking but because so much of our trade is done across rail but uh for
00:56:31.820the the amount of population in the states that lives on the eastern seaboard like that's
00:56:35.140fucked man and then you look at how bad it is in in north carolina and tennessee right now too
00:56:40.200like it's not is it's a it's a horrible time to have a strike yeah and you know one thing that
00:56:46.000we were talking about this in our community recently and this demands people reveal their
00:56:52.320opinions on unions generally so some people in our circles are just vehemently anti-union i think i
00:56:59.120was talking to kelthira about this and he hates unions yeah and he's like you know it's just it's
00:57:04.720a mafia trying to shake down regular people yeah and when i said well well yeah that's the appeal
00:57:10.480of unions the union is saying what if we had a mafia for white guys and the crime was labor
00:57:17.540but doesn't that sound cool doesn't that sound like something you want to be a part of
00:57:21.820yeah if you if you if you reduce it to that but like in reality extant unions are actually
00:57:27.460mafias and they're worse than the real mafia like the real mafia just deals in prostitutes but
00:57:31.940these mafias like take food out of the mouths of children by the millions so like these people i
00:57:39.460think like that motherfucker should be hung you're talking about the leader of the union who was on
00:57:45.200camera i believe and he's that fucking guy should be publicly drawn and quartered we should cut him
00:57:50.220into pieces in the public square that motherfucker you are going to grind the economy to a halt here
00:57:55.740on the east coast and the gulf coast don't spin it now because you're fox news are you worried
01:01:55.900I'm glad to hear that you have a strong opinion about this
01:01:58.520Because, you know, there's a lot of people who will defend unions because they'll defend the idea of unions or the idea that people, hey, sure, they are trying to stick a gun to the head of the American people.
01:02:12.320But, hey, maybe that's what they should do, right?
01:02:27.200But anyways, they love going and doing antitrust attacks on companies, especially companies that are like network companies where it makes sense for them to have the entire market because the network effect actually makes the product better.
01:02:41.360And then we know that the point to a union is to create a power that's as large as the corporation so that it can balance the power of the corporation.
01:02:54.800Then it's the exact same thing that happened here with the rail union.
01:02:57.580We only we now only recently now only have two rail unions in Canada and they effectively are acted as one in threatening a strike very recently.
01:11:47.740But I'm also, I rip the audio from that.
01:11:50.720I upload them to, I upload everything, including the full episodes and the video clips and the interviews and even the soundboard to a special telegram group.
01:12:02.320It's a group that anyone can join, but it's split up into topics.
01:12:05.660you can find that if you check our x the at legally ironic or telegram it's linked on there
01:12:12.360um it's called blood satellite world at blood satellite world but the w is two v's
01:12:18.660and then you can you can get everything there including the recordings of ad churches and what
01:12:24.280we do at ad church is we just it's around an hour and we just talk marketing and advertising related
01:12:30.940stuff and um i've started having them with guests marketing and advertising figures from our spaces
01:12:37.660you know uh the last one was with a guy named swampist who does all of the marketing for the
01:12:43.440blaze and just kind of i get these questions from listeners friends of the show saying they're
01:12:50.420starting a small business or they're employed a small business and they they want some advice
01:12:55.040and i would give advice i'd help people out however i can so i thought well let's formalize
01:13:00.140this and have just these sessions where we explain some elements of marketing listen to this
01:13:04.380you get something to take into your life and hopefully you can use it also we open it up to
01:13:08.900q a's anyway so that's what i've been doing recently i'm going to be having them every
01:13:14.460second week or every week we'll see you know how i can manage that because we're doing a lot of
01:13:20.480stuff these days it's getting kind of difficult but um yeah so we're going to keep having
01:13:24.220interesting people on to just discuss that. Now, I got an email recently, and I'm going to count
01:13:33.500this as an episode of Crimes Chat. We haven't had a Crimes Chat for a while. A Crimes Chat,
01:19:21.540By which I mean that when you read Mein Kampf, there's so much you could talk about.
01:19:26.320There's so much detail and historical context given in that.
01:19:30.440but you know the the essence of that book was hitler speaking very passionately about the german
01:19:36.800people as a race and the role of race and you know the history of the german people whereas
01:19:44.140mosley in my opinion was approaching fascism from a purely economic point of view
01:19:50.020and i don't know if you've ever read it i don't know how many people have read this book i would
01:19:54.600recommend it because he goes into he goes into detail in ways that i wish hitler had done because
01:20:02.160you know we know so much about his life but there's so much fascination i feel with his early
01:20:08.720life from his childhood and he talks about that but mosley spends a lot of time talking about
01:20:14.760his childhood and he goes back in mosley family history back to the medieval ages you know like
01:20:20.960He traces his lineage and his family tree back and gives a real full-throated assessment of how his family got to where they are, which is relevant because his family was fairly wealthy.
01:20:33.480And that is in sharp contrast to Hitler.
01:20:36.680So with Hitler, you've got a small-town boy who suffers great tragedy at a young age and has to strike out on his own.
01:20:45.880We covered all this with Mein Kampf, but it's a real struggle.
01:20:49.760It's a story of struggle. And with Mosley, you have the exact opposite of that. You have a boy who was, you know, born into a world of servants. And while he had his problems with his father, who, you know, while he's spoken of pretty fondly, is essentially an alcoholic loser.
01:21:08.900but he's got a great relationship with his grandfather great relationship with his mother
01:21:13.320who he loves dearly and there's no shortage of opportunities for him it's almost like a
01:21:18.700you know almost a noble lifestyle and you know the the money of the mosley family gave him you
01:21:25.120know he worked very hard he describes early in the book about you know he says i learned to work
01:21:30.780with my hands both in farming and carpentry and must admit that i was better at shoveling muck
01:21:35.940that in a fine work of joinery both aptitudes have their use in political life again in feudal
01:21:41.860fashion the warmest and most intimate friendships developed between us and these people so
01:21:46.060characteristic of traditional england not only in their daily occupations but the strong bonds of
01:21:51.080mutual sympathy in life events the early development is one of the three very diverse
01:21:55.860experiences which wove me into the warp and woof of english life so he's talking about yes i was
01:22:02.240raised wealthy but i worked hard and you know there's no doubt that that's the case however
01:22:07.300you know it's not the the victorious story of hitler kind of rising up through the the
01:22:15.580degradation of vienna you know he kind of he kind of just had a good time for much of his life and
01:22:22.600it's i guess that that must be nice right but you know i might say he's the anglo's shadow i also
01:22:30.160say that he has no, at least in the book that I'd read, I don't know any other essays he might have
01:22:36.660written. He doesn't have that much of an opinion on the English people. He has nothing much to say
01:22:43.140about the spirit of who the English people could become. He spent nearly his entire professional
01:22:50.200life outside of his military service as a parliamentarian. And so, you know, no one was
01:22:56.980more staunchly against the parliament than hitler whereas mosley he defends the parliament repeatedly
01:23:03.320he says that you know he speaks of it glowingly saying that's the one place where anyone could
01:23:09.560like be on level playing field with like the old generation the big money you know it's it's an
01:23:14.800arena of you know ideologues and and idealists whereas like hitler wanted to blow the entire
01:23:21.800fucking thing up he hated it but i'm like okay so these these guys are at odds from in a very
01:23:28.700molecular level but mosley liked fascism in the sense that he liked corporatism you know i mean
01:23:35.980like he liked the corporatist model of arranging society but i don't think he was a revolutionary
01:23:42.840as much as he was a reformer and can you be a fascist reformer you know i you know some people
01:23:49.320would say no i i think like to be to lead the type of revolution he was leading with the black shirts
01:23:56.680you know and filling you know whitehall having these rallies with thousands of people and he's
01:24:02.360up there and he's gesticulating and he's at he's at war with the communists right he's fighting a
01:24:07.560guerrilla war just like they all did with the communists in the streets but at the end of the
01:24:12.120day i get the sense that were you really leading a revolution like how much of the british empire
01:24:18.920did you want to change versus did he just it sounds like he just wanted to maybe course correct
01:24:25.600the british empire slightly and in that sense you know like he describes his early political life as
01:24:33.000he sees himself as a centrist right he describes himself as a centrist but the sense that he held
01:24:38.960both extreme left and extreme right positions right so yeah you're a centrist in the sense that
01:24:44.140you run to both extremes on certain issues but you know ultimately he he likes the system he
01:24:50.800likes the british empire he is however vehemently anti-war he says that kind of got him in trouble
01:24:58.400but um like hitler i think his his hatred of war was you know drawn from his experience in the war
01:25:06.980and it seems you know common enough that the people who went through the meat grinder of
01:25:11.840World War I and World War II, were very, very anti-war.
01:25:15.680And he describes meeting, just like Hitler did,
01:25:18.280like a certain class of older men who didn't serve in those wars,
01:25:22.100who were more warlike in their temperament.
01:25:24.860This was the criticism levied against Churchill,
01:25:28.000that Churchill liked war a bit too much,
01:25:30.120and the guys who were in the trenches reckoning with mustard gas
01:25:35.820and collecting their rewards for bravery,
01:25:40.300which they themselves felt were unearned because they saw the true tragedy of it all.
01:25:47.240They came out the other side wanting to be peace activists, basically,
01:25:51.980but to hear their opponents tell they're the most war-hungry people.
01:25:57.640But you read their words, and it doesn't seem like that at all.
01:26:01.160Anyway, I wanted to ask you, do you know anything about Mosley?
01:26:05.660Did you have any opinions about him at all?
01:26:07.740no not really i haven't read anything or no he's not brought up a lot um not like you know in the
01:26:15.360rankings of you know world fascists you'd have hitler at the top you'd have mussolini up there
01:26:20.620mosley is seen as a very charismatic figure we live in a period in which politicians are not
01:26:30.100very popular. And believe me, you have my sympathy. Politicians are regarded as people
01:26:40.100who have learnt to talk, but not to act. And you demand action, and rightly demand it,
01:26:49.700in dealing with unemployment. We live in a period when Britain can only survive by vigour
01:34:25.180was, you know, he got to, what they said, go into society.
01:34:29.040and that means that you have a period of your life where you just kind of hang out in cities
01:34:35.120in Paris in Munich and elsewhere just like being a man about town going to parties and socializing
01:34:45.040and networking which many young people do at school but you know he talks about like a period
01:34:50.200where yeah I'm just I'm hanging out with nobles I'm getting to know them you know and he will
01:34:56.020gather that together with his experiences of general labor when he was working up and the war
01:35:00.980to become this figure of oswald mosley but again just to contrast that against hitler you know
01:35:07.420hitler didn't get to do that you know a lot of these revolutionaries they didn't get to have a
01:35:11.760period where they got to just like you know even though he says he might be uncomfortable or it's
01:35:16.580weird just going to galas it's like well you still did he still got to he still got to you know when
01:35:22.800they would discuss nobility the english nobility throughout time and we discussed this before on
01:35:27.900the show but there's this interesting archetype of the noble who just has money he just embodies
01:35:34.420money and wealth and capital you don't know what they do for work they just have it they show up
01:35:40.140and if you ask them what they do for work that wouldn't make sense to them and i just i got the
01:35:45.060sense of reading mosey's autobiography like oh you're kind of like one of these these types of
01:35:49.260nobility like you never said i like again with mein kopf you're like hitler he had to scrape
01:35:54.120and grind working you know working a day job and then selling his paintings on the side
01:36:00.460to make ends meet that's his story and mosley's story from his telling is just kind of stepping
01:36:07.120into rooms and you get that sense of the the people of the upper strata of society they just
01:36:13.440have access to these rails just moving through life and things open up for you how did you get
01:36:18.400access to this did you crowbar your way no i just i just i was there i was invited to parties
01:36:23.280in in paris and shit i don't know maybe i'm reading too much into it but no i mean that's
01:36:29.200you're not reading too much at all i think that's one of probably one of the most takeaways the most
01:36:34.480important takeaways from it he says here if i had not had all the other experiences war in air and
01:36:40.460trenches my childhood among the people of the land life at that very heart of manhood and the regular
01:36:45.720army and something almost the equivalent of a return to the Hellenic
01:36:49.460Genesium in European athletics, the experience of administration
01:36:53.580and civil science, government and organization, all that together.
01:36:58.900Then my relatively trivial experience of society
01:37:01.580in the chief capitals of Europe would have been deformed and isolated as it did in many
01:37:05.660others. So he said, because I did a lot of other stuff, I wasn't just some
01:37:09.640fancy boy. You know what I mean? I'll leave that to the listener.
01:37:13.780you were though yeah you were though well also like you know just to skip ahead you know it's
01:37:19.400a very fascinating life story again because it contrasts so much with hitler and others in the
01:37:25.980sense that he was able to move freely around his persecutions and he did spend time in jail later
01:37:33.440in life you know he was imprisoned after world war ii um and but he got out of prison because of
01:37:40.180a sickness you know he was just he had many sicknesses throughout his life and he was just
01:37:45.480released because of it but they kept his passport right they wouldn't let him leave england and so
01:37:52.900him and his wife at the time i believe it might have even been his um third wife maybe a second
01:37:58.420but maybe a third they're knocking their heads together saying well they won't let us leave what
01:38:04.160do we do we can't be trapped here forever in a country that hates us they said well you know
01:38:09.440we should do i got it we'll get a yacht and so they just buy a huge ocean faring yacht and then
01:38:17.380sail around they just sail around for a while and they eventually land i believe in ireland
01:38:22.660or they just get a mansion they live in uh for the rest of their lives presumably right but it
01:38:30.900For the rest of us, if we were in jail for leading one of the largest fascist organizations on Earth, we probably wouldn't just be let out and then could just buy a yacht and then move into a mansion, right?
01:38:49.080And then no one chases after you, which is just what fucking happened.
01:38:58.300that's the second part that tells you that he wasn't serious they put him in jail and when he
01:39:03.320gets out of jail does he rebuild the party stronger than ever now you know what i'm gonna i'm only
01:39:09.320maybe i'm 42 it's cool i'm gonna retire with my billions and don't worry about it guys okay so
01:39:14.580nothing this didn't actually matter to you did it you were just a limp-wristed shit disturber
01:39:19.300with a bad mustache sorry guys sorry mosley fans yeah and he talks about his career in parliament
01:39:25.580and he loved parliaments and he was kind of a rambunctious figure he eventually drummed out
01:39:30.840of parliament and that's when he started the british union of fascists after i started the
01:39:35.260black shirt movement that's an interesting part of the book that's really why i wanted to read it
01:39:39.480because i wanted to know the history of how he started that group because it was very popular
01:39:43.320their rallies were very very large and he is a captivating figure and that's what gets a lot of
01:39:48.740interested in it but speaking of his uh time in parliament he said he's got a
01:40:17.780few comments here that i found interesting he says it's never been for me quite true that the house
01:40:22.860of commons was divided sharply between the war generation and the hard-faced men as keen has
01:40:28.380described them the experience of that war was even more liable liable to harden the features
01:40:34.120than the process of making profit in business the soldiers back from the war were not all idealists
01:40:39.680and the businessmen were not all war profiteers yet there was a certain psychological division
01:40:45.100which can be perhaps best be expressed in the simple fact that the war
01:40:48.740generation was more disposed to take the 1918 program seriously.
01:40:53.900I will not for a moment claim that many of them shared my ideas to the full,
01:40:58.400but he was described as sort of a hard demarcation between his war generation
01:41:03.120and the previous generation. And they were frequently at odds.
01:41:08.500He says, I recall one of the last evenings of in the other club.
01:41:12.300It's just what it's called. It's called the other club.
01:41:14.080When I was sitting opposite Winston Churchill, he looked across the table and addressed me a brief oppression oration, which I remember, and for good reason.
01:41:22.760It began with the smile that the river of history was flowing through a quiet and peaceful contemporary scene, so calm that could even carry on its tranquil bosom, the contemptible figures of Baldwin and MacDonald.
01:41:35.720but soon it would reach the falls the cataract of destiny the foam would sparkle the spray would
01:41:41.680glitter and sunshine and the opportunity and leaning forward in poignant emphasis our time
01:41:47.820will come it did with him in downing street and me in jail so he's telling stories about how he
01:41:52.900like he was around winston churchill he was around all these figures that really didn't like him um
01:41:59.340even though they never expressed it very outwardly but you know he was seen as kind of an outsider
01:42:04.640figure and then eventually they all turned against him and you know he had to leave parliament um
01:42:09.720he spent quite a bit of time in india which i won't cover right now but uh
01:42:14.400actually i'll cover it what was that yuck yeah um actually i'll cover a bit his thoughts in india
01:42:20.560which is kind of interesting it says i later wrote a report on the indian situation which
01:42:25.820was privately circulated among british politicians it made two main points the first that we could
01:42:31.360stay in india as long as we wished without so much trouble as some anticipated hindus and muslims
01:42:37.480were hopelessly divided never had a divide been so easy and it happened so naturally further if
01:42:44.220we did go there would be bloodshed on a great scale the first point was proved by the ultimate
01:42:48.820division of the country the second was tragically proved when we left and nearly a million were
01:42:53.280killed in the riot and massacre which followed um so yeah he he got to know india pretty well as
01:42:59.800many Englishmen did and his take was just saying yeah we could control these people forever if we
01:43:05.340wanted to because at his heart you know Mosley was a defender of the British Empire he was not
01:43:14.180an isolationist he was an economic isolationist in the sense that he believed that they could
01:43:20.060have a completely inward-facing economy that a lot of the fascists believe this as well like we
01:43:26.440could just ramp up our manufacturing we don't need to be reliant necessarily on international
01:43:32.380trade there is a way to do this where we could just fortify ourselves more internally and that's
01:43:38.520kind of what the corporatist model was um and a lot of people disagreed with that but i think
01:43:43.560you know you know even in the book he doesn't just to give you a sense here
01:43:49.200yeah you would think that the leader of the british union of fascists would be anti-semitic
01:43:54.900But he's not. And if you read these other books, Mein Kampf, My Awakening, you know, George Lincoln Walkwell, a lot of it's about Jews. But here's Mosley saying, anti-Semitism was not our policy, for I never attacked the Jews as a people. I never attacked any man on account of race or religion, and I never shall.
01:44:13.780what happened in the 30s was altogether different a quarrel arose about a definite subject for
01:44:19.160clearly discernible reasons so he would say his position was i don't think that britain should
01:44:25.780get involved in the foreign affairs of the jewish people i don't think we should jump into war
01:44:31.760because jews want us to by which he's referring to world war ii and he was deemed anti-semitic
01:44:38.360and yes says you're all the same when you're in a fight with the jews for any reason they
01:44:43.540can give you a lot of trouble like everyone else like everyone else they're capable of collective
01:44:49.120action when they feel themselves in my case wrongly but in hitler's case rightly so he says
01:44:55.280collectively threatened for instance when lord rothmore was supporting me they took him out
01:45:00.640at the point of the economic gun he was quite frank in explaining that he pulled out on account
01:45:05.740of his advertisers and the firms in question were under jewish influence so just to summarize you
01:45:11.060Alza Mosley, British Union fascist, not anti-Semitic at all, not racist at all.
01:45:17.380I do not believe in any form of racial persecution, either pre-war or post-war.
01:45:22.660Now, that is a very big difference between my policy and the Nazi policy.
01:45:35.060I'm not an anti-Semite, and I never have been.
01:45:37.380The reason I was brought into a great clash with the Jews before the war was that I believed, and I still believe, that certain Jewish interests were trying to get us into a war with Germany.
02:14:16.900Because we've covered that on the show and elsewhere.
02:14:19.220It's funny to see how it's turned out.
02:14:20.900i think i was definitely you know early early on and i remember when only a few people were
02:14:25.300talking about it we sort of got behind hyping it particularly on the eu right um just as and
02:14:30.180my my game plan if you you know go to the uh substack it's basically the most popular article
02:14:35.540there still um was that it's it's a parallel of what happened under the fdr administration which
02:14:40.660was they expanded the federal government and it created space to hire a lot of people who
02:14:44.980were communists and who were you know generally progressive um just structurally speaking that
02:14:49.460was a vacuum created by federal hiring and you know i think me and a few other people looked at
02:14:55.300um the sort of administrative law in the later years of the trump administration and realized
02:15:00.100that there was a similar opportunity um and that the common narrative which is that you know trump
02:15:04.740is like an absentee president doesn't really give a shit um that's actually not true if you look at
02:15:09.060his actions during the late later stages of his administration and they're proactively sort of
02:15:13.780of coming up with game plans to restructure the bureaucracy um so my point was just hey this is
02:15:19.220going on you know here's some strategies of how we can interface with it um you know if i was
02:15:24.220american i'd definitely try and get involved i didn't expect it to turn into this sort of five
02:15:27.940alarm uh shit storm that it is now the four percent approval rating um but i think it's
02:15:32.700unfortunately just a bunch of people in the press who've decided to highlight you know particular
02:15:37.820aspects of it the fact that it's socially conservative i mean the thing about project
02:15:42.0602025 is it's basically just a game plan for a future administration they've been making these
02:15:46.820things since the reagan administration it's just this time they've discovered a bureaucratic
02:15:50.680mechanism schedule f which will allow them to act on more of what they want well i will say this
02:15:56.680that the reason i like project 2025 and i'm sure i have the wrong read about it but i really
02:16:01.880quadrupled down on that interpretation was i'm like this is a great plan to get all of our best
02:16:07.880schizo alpha types vitalist weirdo theory cell guys and get them in the government and get them
02:16:14.480in like the middle area don't elect them infiltrate the bureaucracy and get them loaded up on meth and
02:16:21.700just give them hammers and knives metaphorically of course but also maybe literally i don't know
02:16:27.080where this goes i don't know what what what fun is anymore another brooks brothers riot
02:16:31.940Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, why not that? Because that allows you to still admit that, hey, democracy is gay and broken, but also let's take some of this young vitality and get it moving in a direction where it can, at the very least, reallocate capital and funding in a way that would benefit our projects.
02:16:55.060I'm like, well, that is something I would like to see tried. And maybe it's because I think it's like a Heritage Foundation project. So I'm sure there's a bunch of very dusty, musty fingerprints all over it that make it less interesting than what I'm imagining. But, you know, I like it the crazier it is, but apparently journalists don't.
02:17:14.920yeah well i think one of the main issues i think recently you've seen is a lot of people run for
02:17:20.280office like a lot of you know schizo-ish like new riot candidates like blake masters like shady
02:17:25.000vance is a good example you know these people are like tuned in they you know are online um but
02:17:32.040perhaps particularly in the case of blake masters this is really bad i know everyone on right wing
02:17:35.720twitter had a sort of symbiotic relationship with him oh my god he's literally me he's just this
02:17:39.400autistic guy running maybe you don't want a guy like that to headline the operation you want a
02:17:43.480more sort of charismatic you do want an empty suit ultimately and like you know you almost have
02:17:48.160to operate more like the democratic party where you know people aren't voting because they love
02:17:51.420kamala they're voting because they like the party they like the agenda and then they just fill in
02:17:54.760they fill in all these anons you know uh basically the real sort of intellectual activity should
02:18:00.640happen on the level of the bureaucracy and not the level of the candidate the candidate should
02:18:03.900appeal to as many people as possible which is why i'm sympathetic to trump disavowing it or just
02:18:08.060saying he has nothing to do with it which is correct to an extent um because he doesn't want
02:18:12.640to be accountable for an organization that he doesn't control, which I think is reasonable.
02:18:17.400And they have been lied about in the media. They have been misconstrued. There's no ability for
02:18:22.980them to pass the abortion laws they want to, even if they could, even say in the next five years.
02:18:28.340But I think it's probably wise of Trump to sort of step away from it. But realistically speaking,
02:18:33.080I mean, if they build out this Rolodex of thousands of people, there's no way he's not
02:18:37.900going to use it. If he gets elected, they had so much trouble finding people in the first
02:18:41.700year, you know, in 2017, there's no way that when presented with this list, that they're not going
02:18:47.700to use it in the second administration. That's why I wouldn't black pill too hard about it.
02:18:51.420Yeah, we've got so many guys on our side that can populate the department of owning libs.
02:18:56.220I mean, where else are you going to get that from? Because really, like, if you want to hire guys to
02:19:01.840destroy institutions that you don't like, why wouldn't you hire the craziest men? Like, if you
02:19:09.260don't like the way the public schools are run you can get just a dumb ass like me to do it i'll do
02:19:15.680a bad job i promise you and then you'll get everything you want see you've been looking
02:19:20.000for competent people this entire time and that's where politics is really divorced from our
02:19:25.660forefathers where you need a lot of like really ambitious alcoholics and again i understand the
02:19:32.520look at the founding fathers yeah i understand project 2025 wouldn't want an endorsement from
02:19:37.760someone like me but guess what you're getting it anyway and this is not a consent issue i'm allowed
02:19:43.920to endorse whatever the fuck i want so you better just lean back and enjoy it we're starting with
02:19:51.160the rape early thank you very much garac obama for showing up to this um always so we're talking
02:20:00.200about the western thaw and we're going to get to the most recent article uh located right here
02:20:06.580life after trump that was published september 25th but i'm wondering if you could take us
02:20:10.740through a bit of a refresher course of the western thaw um and my understanding of it and
02:20:17.300this is if i had to explain it to someone um it it's it sounds kind of blackpilling as you said
02:20:23.420but i i think it's this idea that when people call back to a period of i think the example
02:20:31.540was given in the 90s, right, where, you know, wokeness didn't exist or wokeness retreated
02:25:25.960It's a thing that happened to us, not something that we generated ourselves.
02:25:30.600And so you can then make the case that most of the big victories we could count on, at least in the West, were just the failure of our enemies rather than a strategic victory on our part. And that's why it was snatched away so seemingly easy from us. Would that be accurate to say?
02:25:48.560yeah but i think you also have to put into perspective like you know the riot in the 1990s
02:25:54.620if you read any liberal historian i think a lot of right wrailing attitudes were implicit and social
02:25:59.800but they weren't really organized the way that they are now like in the 1990s like fox fox news
02:26:04.680is just getting off the ground we consider that very basic now but at the time it was seen as
02:26:08.640this revolutionary break from the consensus you don't have the fairness doctrine you don't have
02:26:12.020you know a couple networks controlling the narrative um like there just wasn't as much
02:26:16.620going on i mean yeah you sort of had pappy cannon but like there weren't that many paleocons around
02:26:21.580back then and i think it's different now like some priorities have shifted you know we've had to make
02:26:26.620concessions in some areas of let's say middle east policy but i think largely there's a much
02:26:31.980more developed right-wing space a much more developed subculture than there was back then
02:26:36.060so in many ways i think it's unfair to look back and say oh you know they failed they didn't seize
02:26:41.180the initiative in many ways we're just you know culmination of a long project and they were never
02:26:45.180going to you know take full power 40 years after i don't know national review was founded i mean
02:26:50.200they're still getting stabbed in the back then well that's a fair point it's a different way
02:26:53.620of viewing history it's a different way i think a lot of people are too pessimistic and they think
02:26:57.640oh right wing attitudes were implicit and popular and now they've declined what really happened was
02:27:02.060nobody defended the old values but now we're stuck we have an infrastructure to defend them i think
02:27:07.000for the first time in quite a while political infrastructure i think that's what you're getting
02:27:11.420that in these pieces, which was, do not compare this current thaw to the previous thaws. I think
02:27:17.860that's where maybe we could focus on the current circumstances right now. You are optimistic about
02:27:23.200what's occurring at present, and we are making strides, whereas maybe we were a bit too
02:27:28.440passive and reactionary before. But are you indeed optimistic right now, and is there a thaw
02:27:33.680occurring right now as well? Definitely. I've seen some people even suggest that there was a thaw
02:27:39.300the 2010s with and i think the main thing that affects this is just the development of the
02:27:44.020internet the fracturing of the monoculture you know if we if we conceive of egalitarianism as
02:27:49.540the ideology it's the social as the religion is sort of the doctrine as what maurice cowlin calls
02:27:54.580it if you conceive of um egalitarianism as the establishment then the internet just completely
02:28:00.180fractures any consensus around that um it doesn't mean that we run the world but it just means that
02:28:05.860there's sort of like a vacuum and there's this space for the competition of values and this is
02:28:09.700sort of our job our job is to get out there in the scrum and sort of you know advance our politics
02:28:14.820advance our propaganda because there's a real i mean i've noticed anecdotally i'm i'm quite young
02:28:19.860um i noticed there's a lot of faithlessness among young people who don't really buy into
02:28:24.900you know the mainstream it's not that they're right wing per se but there's a there's a real
02:28:28.420sort of nihilism and uncertainty which i think can be exploited and i think people are desperate for
02:28:33.300a positive myth an organization um you see this in europe that was my other example like the right
02:28:40.100space there is like you know 18 to 30 18 to 35 right they get for afd gets 40 of the vote in
02:28:46.420east germany there and i think it's because you know this there's a less developed cultural
02:28:51.620consensus um so i think the main sort of fall of the 2010s that's initiated by the internet and
02:28:56.820we're living through it we're actors in it um that's what i'm optimistic about we're never going
02:29:00.980back to the world of walter cronkite we're never going back to the world of john of biden's you
02:29:04.740know childhood you know that's that's it's gone and thomas talks about this and this we discussed
02:29:09.940that in the show um when we discussed uh revolt of the public by martin gurry and um the emancipation
02:29:16.580of the author by um of anthony and dreamer i forget his fucking name but i should know him
02:29:22.420because i've talked to him but uh i i think any pushback you might experience to this theory
02:29:29.140would be from large sectors in our space that are more adherence of elite theory there's a lot of
02:29:35.460people who would reject any idea that something like this which to me has the air of populism
02:29:42.740about it or it's emergent in some way or some kind of phenomena that's not explicitly driven
02:29:48.580by you know upper echelon power politics or you know elite clandestine plans where they're you
02:29:57.380puppeting people from below, which a lot of people believe. And so they would not be able
02:30:01.600to do anything with this. Well, I got into it with an academic agent a couple months ago. I
02:30:08.300mean, his big theory is basically that the regime, which is constructed as this monolithic
02:30:13.700organization, not a bunch of different... I mean, that's a bit unfair. Sometimes he talks about
02:30:18.000different factions within the regime. But his whole theory, and he's been going into this with
02:30:23.700Aron McIntyre, and I can understand him believing this because he's in England where there's been
02:30:26.880comparatively less progress but the regime is strategically putting woke away you know i mean
02:30:32.880reacting to english politics he was like oh you know starmer's in and jeremy corbyn's been done
02:30:37.760away with um his prediction is that you just be entering a period of sort of left left-wing
02:30:43.360normalcy biden's in starmer's in they're going to hold on to their position i think that gives
02:30:47.440them way too much credit like clearly if not if they're not incompetent they just create so many
02:30:52.960opportunities not necessarily for us but there's just so much dissension among the elites which i
02:30:58.240think is symptomatic of a society in crisis and my optimism comes from that my optimism comes from
02:31:04.000the fact that i mean yeah there are larger movements um you know there are larger elite
02:31:08.880machinations that we're sort of surfing the wave of if you look at the you know dispute over israel
02:31:14.320between zionist and more you know global uh egalitarian forces like that's the most obvious
02:31:19.280example the right is you know heavily controlled by uh zionist influence and yeah but but i think
02:31:25.200you can exploit that you can exploit that like in the i mean if you look at the rise of the
02:31:29.360neoconservatives to an extent they were able to sort of take over foreign policy and send america
02:31:34.400back um but you know if you look at their domestic work like steve saylor is a neoconservative
02:31:39.840you know he's not a traditionalist he uses scientific methods uh to be racist and a lot
02:31:44.240of a lot of them were into that because a lot of them were you know jewish guys from new york who
02:31:47.520got mugged on the way to work i think they you know you can you can have a negative view of
02:31:52.320their influence on signing general while acknowledging that they were able to produce
02:31:56.320some valuable while acknowledging that they were able to have a helpful effect on one policy issue
02:32:01.600and i don't think it was contrived i don't think it was like oh we've got a leader going back
02:32:05.040back on the plantation and i don't think the current sort of anxiety over woke is contrived
02:32:09.520i think they they're genuine there are people in the establishment who are confused they're
02:32:13.680playing with forces they don't understand they're being you know befuddled by mean magic it's not
02:32:17.680populism so much as you know structural forces cutting against the elite yeah though there are
02:32:24.080larger forces at play as uh disraeli says you you they create space for you to operate and depending
02:32:29.340on your position you can definitely you know i know many people who are in positions to sort of
02:32:34.180deal blows to uh the establishment to the post-war consensus yeah let me just say i use the word
02:32:40.420populism just because i wanted to be controversial i wanted to be a bit of a stinker but i do agree
02:32:45.980it's a pre-existing debate and that's that's what um i always say people it's all relevant it's all
02:32:50.860on the board when we get into a nasty habit especially on our side of trying to assign
02:32:55.140primacy to what we think the real cause is it's either populism driving everything or it's
02:33:00.680i'm like well both are clearly present um and you know they both there is an interplay there
02:33:07.440and it changes based on the sociopolitical region of the world but you know for example
02:33:13.360a fascinating case you know we mentioned starmer um in canada we have our own widely despised and
02:33:20.160inept leader in the form of justin trudeau probably i would say maybe the worst in canadian history
02:33:26.880that might be a reach because i would need to think long and hard because if you say like oh
02:33:31.680biden is one of the most hated presidents like no there's been some really bad presidents but
02:33:36.480I think Trudeau might be up there and there are, you know, my co-host Judas might disagree with
02:33:42.620this, but I said there's opportunities presented by the fact that someone who's so despised and
02:33:47.320inept is momentarily in charge. And that would create a windows of opportunities for distant
02:33:54.800groups or any type of group to try and... I mean, look at Biden, like he's, you know,
02:33:59.340what was the plan to get a guy who like, you know, he embarrassed himself on the debate stage.
02:34:03.600uh like you know is the plan is kamala the best they can put up like you know these institutions
02:34:08.820are very slurotic and hierarchical they're not meritocratic they're nepotistic biden's there
02:34:12.960because he's been there for 70 years trudeau's there because his dad used to be prime minister
02:34:16.660you know starmer's there because you know he's just a creature of the british deep state like
02:34:20.620all you know none of these people my favorite is the theory on twitter that starmer is like a binge
02:34:24.600drinking alcoholic like which you know i mean he's completely you know he's not he's less popular
02:34:29.660than rishi sunak now there are just all these unforced errors that they keep making um yeah
02:34:34.280if he was a binge drinking alcoholic he would have my vote like i started to like trudeau
02:34:39.700the moment he got divorced and started getting a beard and bringing that divorced energy
02:34:44.880into national politics was just a refreshing wave washing over him like maybe he's gonna start
02:34:51.400smoking cigarettes on camera there's there's so much cool shit he could be doing he didn't do any
02:34:55.740of it of course but yeah you know i think canada is ready for a man in crisis prime minister
02:35:03.300you know is america ready they said you know is america ready for another president who's been
02:35:09.280shot a couple times i say yes you know and what what about if that guy's also smoking meth what
02:35:15.700if trump's on med i'm not saying he's going to rob for the crack the crack pies we had a mayor
02:35:21.900a mayor named rob ford and guess what he's a crack smoking madman read his face as a red
02:35:29.620delicious apple and everyone loved him he's the most popular man in toronto history so you know
02:35:37.180this isn't even just a flight of fancy on my part i'm just saying let's let's get another
02:35:41.980fat crack smoking madman and i do think yeah yeah yeah there's an appetite for that like i hear so
02:35:50.460much i always listen to these like populist air quotes left-wing commentators and they're like we
02:35:54.860we don't want uh it's as a pushback against the networks they're like we want someone with trump's
02:35:58.700personality and fdr's policies because people do find him genuinely funny and i think young people
02:36:03.420like i don't i'm pretty young i don't remember i don't really remember what politics was like
02:36:07.100before trump i don't remember what it was like before when i think of trudeau i think of like
02:36:11.100you know being 12 years old in 2016 and and uh you know the its current year memes if you remember
02:36:16.620that like you know i've always seen him as like an avatar for reaction an avatar of like this you
02:36:21.660know decaying i can't speak to canadian politics i don't think the conservatives look kind of
02:36:25.740shit but um i don't know you're just such you're just such weakness in your in your regime you still
02:36:30.780got a 30 approval rating um i don't know i've heard it suggested that maybe uh whites in canada
02:36:36.380can become an elite caste and infiltrate the military or something like that but i can't speak
02:36:39.820for that uh i mean they can um of the veterans that i've spoken to a lot of them especially the
02:36:47.020white veterans they would advise young men to stay out of the military i tend to defer to their
02:36:51.820opinions on that especially you know the former marines or special forces guys and i've spoken to
02:36:57.520a few so they probably have the inside track and they're trying to think of what's best for this
02:37:02.380young man however if we're thinking strategically you know it's honestly it's not that easy to get
02:37:08.740into like if they are prioritizing recruitment for like asian women because they just want to
02:37:14.240inflate the bureaucracy you know i don't get off on too many stories here but they're the canadian
02:37:20.140military has a nasty habit of neglecting some of its uh armaments and some of its ships and things
02:37:25.180like that so it's a great big shape for such a renowned global military there's a lot of pride
02:37:31.260in the canadian military there's a lot of great history there yeah yeah so i i think there's a lot
02:37:36.980of people who will still you know trade on that and want to be a part of that even in my family
02:37:41.720you know my family has a long history uh in the navy but you know it's becoming hostile to a
02:37:47.580certain type of person who would enter into it um but anyway yeah so i i will move on from just
02:37:54.600i wanted to get back to we talked about the the thaw we talked about that did you want to get
02:38:00.360into your life after trump article because i haven't read that and i was hoping maybe you
02:38:05.600could give us a summary on that. Yeah, well, originally, I wanted to do a full article,
02:38:12.180you know, fully explaining the concept of the West and fully doing a history of the 90s. But
02:38:16.360you know, it just got it got too long. I got distracted. But I realized the way the way to
02:38:21.240express the way to communicate what I wanted to get across was just, you know, because my point
02:38:25.660this year has just been to sort of, you know, put a bit more optimism back in the distant right
02:38:29.660to say that, you know, even beyond politics, there are so many opportunities for, you know,
02:38:34.100ambitious young men um and the kinds of people who get into this ideology i feel like it's not
02:38:38.400just like rednecks and trailer parks anymore like you do have the sort of children of the elite so
02:38:42.640i just drew up a rough game plan basically of you know like i'm hedging a little bit like i expect
02:38:49.520trump to win but you know in the event that he doesn't it's not what i predict will happen and
02:38:54.520my negative prediction was that all the energy will just go out of the spear there'll be this
02:38:58.460languid pessimism you know people will drop out of politics because it's less entertaining
02:39:02.880and sort of i just wanted to put put a marker down in the ground and say hey you know it continues
02:39:08.720regardless of what happens you know if if they're able to finesse it but even if he does get in and
02:39:13.400not much happens like it's just a way of sort of stepping away from day-to-day politics and
02:39:19.000thinking about where our guys can make the most difference um anyway so it starts out talking
02:39:24.000about i'm gonna say um that's one thing that i liked um above all else about project 2025
02:39:29.320It was daring people to, especially on the right, imagine a world after Trump, after Trump wins.
02:40:28.280We dust our hands and say, that's settled. And we don't stay the course and really hold people to account or be as cruel as we need to be in victory. So that's why I liked about this article as well. Like, let's think past Trump winning, because maybe that isn't the divine retribution that we think it's going to be just automatically.
02:40:48.600yeah well i mean it was more like you know i just wanted to come up with a history you know it's
02:40:55.060it's a bit disjointed i know but it's it starts with a history of the 20th century where sort of
02:41:00.060the riot the revolutionary right fascism however you want to identify it you know is the protagonist
02:41:04.420and it's pushing forward and it's a future it's a future oriented movement for a dynamic
02:41:09.140young people and that stopped that's cut off in the 1940s you know we enter a period of egalitarian
02:41:15.860sort of reaction, if you want to call it that. But there are still arriving people lurking around
02:41:21.240in the background, you know, mercenaries and, you know, militiamen and, you know, all these
02:41:25.320colorful characters. And finally, I was reading John Gantz's book, which is the one I originally
02:41:30.080wanted to review. And it basically ends with Trump as a figure who ties together those threads. He
02:41:34.680ties together cowboys in the West, urban ethnics in the East, Southern nostalgics in the South,
02:41:39.920you know, he just brings together all of these disparate right-wing threads into something,
02:41:43.040into a movement um which is you know commendable achievement it brought pretty much all of us here
02:41:47.820um but i think now people have to start thinking about you know what happens what happens next
02:41:53.780like i'm still very optimistic that the regime will lose legitimacy but i think people have to
02:41:58.600start looking at their own position and seeing what the best way for them to help would be
02:42:01.600not that's not politics for everyone some people are sort of romantic artists some people are
02:42:06.400you know better at business not everyone has to like get coffee for politicians
02:42:09.880but i just think so long as we're out there making sure the scene is inspirational and invigorating
02:42:15.460um then i think you know that's our that's our job our job like i said at the start is to develop
02:42:21.300the coming man the next trump the next you know the next napoleon the next caesar um you know our
02:42:26.800job is to cultivate a sphere um you know if you look at that if you think of that painting of
02:42:32.100young napoleon you know under the shadow like you've got to be coming up with stub stacks for
02:42:36.780this is sort of mold bugs idea in a way i haven't read much of gray mirror but his thing was like
02:42:41.740you know the prince for for the coming you know american caesar um i have my issues with mold bug
02:42:47.260but i i think it's a noble idea that's what i think our sphere online is for it's really for
02:42:53.180the education of this future leader you know it might be baron it might be someone else
02:42:57.020but you know yeah we might we may have a while to go this may end up being another thought
02:43:01.500assuming worst case scenario he loses but it's not over yet because you know i just can't see
02:43:06.220the regime surviving yeah and um what i liked about that hearing you discuss it just there
02:43:11.720it's that you know if there is a coming caesar you might very well be a far way off so what do
02:43:17.140you do in the meantime because there's two tendencies we have in our spaces that i think
02:43:23.920are really detrimental one is that we're always looking to build bridges and make friends
02:43:28.800especially with people who otherwise hate us and the other is that we're always looking for
02:43:34.520our guys you know we thought trump was our guy i don't in the sense that he's secretly someone
02:43:40.780who aligns completely with everything i believe because you know if people are if they remember
02:43:46.060with any clarity when trump was first elected there are some wild theories going around about
02:43:52.320what he secretly thought there's people who thought he was straight up like a white nationalist and if
02:43:57.920you knew anything about trump about where he came from he's he's not that but everyone thought he
02:44:02.280is everything right well it's a balance like i think a lot of people and this is i think this
02:44:07.040is a common fault on our side i fall into it sometimes is to sort of take the left account
02:44:11.560of history at its word like when they say he's racist you're like oh my god wow he is no not
02:44:16.760really like or or or when they come up with these crazy conspiracy theories about operation gladio
02:44:22.180running the show and it's sort of right wing beef state you get excited you think wow you know where
02:44:26.140do i sign up sometimes it's a bit overstated but that doesn't mean he doesn't create opportunities
02:44:30.720it doesn't mean he didn't and that's the american race discourse to the right i mean he massively
02:44:35.260did the the only our guys is us it it puts the onus on us to be the main characters in this
02:44:43.840scheme it's not going to be the the guy you can vote for he's not going to save you it's up to us
02:44:49.540to be the drivers of the change which is you know antithetical to what a lot of people on our side
02:44:55.200want because they want the dictator they want the king they want to you know really conjure these
02:45:01.740theories like the demastra theories of the great man who summoned forth to occupy the space of
02:45:07.420sovereignty like i get all that i believe all that however practically as in what do we do tomorrow
02:45:13.560you need a plan of action for for the the filters that will select the leaders that we need just to
02:45:20.540get some fucking things done because you know my good friend the prudentialist had a you know
02:45:27.660very interesting sub stack on this recently because we're really big into marshall mcclellan
02:45:33.120and the idea of auto amputation of the extended senses and i'm going to butcher this in the telling
02:45:39.580of it but you know he had coined this phrase on our last time we were discussing this about how
02:45:45.400the belief or the term nothing ever happens is sort of like an auto amputation in itself it's
02:45:53.080like it's it's us numbing ourselves due to you know our extended self in the digital space like
02:45:59.440that's something we do almost as a cope like we need to believe nothing ever happens um and I
02:46:04.860actually get into a bit of an argument today with one of my community members one of my good friends
02:46:10.720even. Because that's a very popular belief in our space is that you're the smartest guy in the room
02:46:20.240if you think nothing ever happens or the paradigm never shifts or the status quo holds. Those would
02:46:26.280be different ways of saying it. But yeah, I don't know. I do think we can be drivers of change and
02:46:34.260we can have these filters that select for the leaders who will action that change. And it might
02:46:38.720not come from areas that you would expect it might not be the most like cool handsome and i'm
02:46:44.200gonna see that movie megalopolis maybe that's about that too but like having like a 1920s art
02:46:51.100deco king isn't gonna fucking stroll up in the next couple years so what do you do in the meantime
02:46:56.440right so oh we got a comment from here from el we need to get baron to read evola no no i mean i
02:47:05.900like but evola is an example of i there's good things about him he's a good researcher i guess
02:47:11.400i don't know it's not my area of expertise but what i don't like about the evola meme was that
02:47:15.520i mean look at the way that evola views the shape of history it's just all been downhill since like
02:47:20.800you know capital t tradition you know it's not a very invigorating worldview it's a very pessimistic
02:47:26.120and i think it's fine to believe that if you're you know if you if you've just you know lost world
02:47:30.500war ii and you know you're just an old italian man but we're not like that yeah most people
02:47:35.080watching the stream are like young people with their lives ahead of them who have the ability
02:47:39.280to make change and you know if you bet that nothing will ever happen you'll always be right
02:47:43.100because generally speaking nothing ever happens but you know lennon's whole line about you know
02:47:47.520years when weeks happen sorry weeks when years happen and years when weeks happen or whichever
02:47:53.980it was like you know a lot has happened in the last 24 hours like he's iran is attacking israel
02:48:01.100and you're blackpilling like there's just so much yeah i don't understand people who think that way
02:48:05.380i think it's it's it's very old you know it's sort of the economy of takes rearing its ugly head
02:48:11.920because we don't want to call something incorrectly but you know an inverse interpretation could be
02:48:18.020so many things are happening at the same time it's easy to believe you know you're going so fast it's
02:48:23.960easy to think that you're not moving right so i would try and keep that in mind because you know
02:48:28.280earlier this week, maybe a couple of days ago, I had a real hot take, which is that Iran is
02:48:34.360fucking gay. Look at them talking shit, not doing anything. And here they are bombing Israel. I
02:48:40.180don't know what tomorrow is going to be. We're chit-chatting it up in the group chats, trying
02:48:45.360to predict everything. We're mostly going to be wrong. I'm very rarely right when I try and
02:48:50.920specifically call geopolitical events. We all are. I don't think anyone in our scene has ever
02:48:56.920really been good at calling a war but you know that that fact means that things are happening
02:49:03.560in such rapidity that you know it's easy to think nothing's happening oh we got here yeah i mean it's
02:49:11.160hard to say like things happening things are happening off screen things happening secretly
02:49:15.080in meat space like you know it would be pointless to talk about it um but even apart from all of
02:49:20.440that like you know there could be people watching this who are completely alone and they don't know
02:49:23.400know anyone they don't know any of our guys in real life um and i think they just need to cling
02:49:27.860to you know a personal mission to you know i mean it's a bit cliche it's a bit tacky to sort of
02:49:33.060improve themselves but it is true like you want to get yourself in a position where you can exercise
02:49:37.820as much influence as possible i mean what what i wanted to say was you know who has more power
02:49:42.180peter teal or or lindsey graham like you know there are ways to do it without having to go
02:49:48.020through the curses and orm of politics which is something i've realized over the last year i think
03:29:39.860you know, it's not going to look like New Deal America.
03:29:43.380It's not going to look like, you know,
03:29:44.940it's not going to look like it's 2020 forever basically is what i want to say
03:29:51.080like you know yeah as much as we might want to live in 2010 forever i'm guilty as much as that
03:29:58.600i'm um i'm more interested in sort of trying to see the unforeseeable future and i think
03:30:04.560we can do better yeah we spend so long trading our sites on the past on our own history that
03:30:10.800We forget that it's harder to concentrate on probable futures, but we can do that if we get outside of ourselves and take it upon ourselves to do that.
03:30:22.920Anyway, thank you, Garak, so much for taking the time.