Blood Satellite - I am Just a Traveling Man and This Right Here is my Traveling Hand

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be a

00:00:07.840 blood satellite this is really ripping through the news right now 0.76

00:00:20.720 it's about second sons mass group seen on bc first nation lands are cowards

00:00:27.740 officials say so what happened second sons met up uh in bc and i gotta you gotta help me here

00:00:38.020 the name of the reservation to kemluts to kemlups test sec wep em wek cook p7 yeah i don't know what

00:00:47.820 to do with the numbers i think the seven is a sound but i don't know the seven is

00:00:52.100 It's just a Tom Waits album.

00:01:03.400 It's the number seven is,

00:01:06.600 Hey,

00:01:06.900 and who's the chief? 1.00

00:01:13.620 Roseanne Castamere.

00:01:15.360 Wait,

00:01:15.480 is the seven like a salute?

00:01:17.900 Like the salute emoji?

00:01:19.020 Cause it's for the chief.

00:01:19.980 Maybe that's what it is.

00:01:20.620 They keep appropriate.

00:01:21.340 Now they're standing at attention.

00:01:23.140 They're saluting. 0.99

00:01:24.180 Chee fucking Game of Thrones name here, Roseanne Castamere. 1.00

00:01:27.980 Macaroni cheese, sad ass. 1.00

00:01:29.440 Sorry, man. 1.00

00:01:30.060 Told Global News on Sunday that several individuals wearing black clothing and hats with white material covering their faces showed up in the community on Sunday morning.

00:01:38.740 So what did they do?

00:01:40.180 They did a banner drop. 0.95

00:01:41.780 This is all about the residential schools.

00:01:44.780 This is about the mass graves, we're told are there.

00:01:47.520 And so they dropped a banner that just said, got bones.

00:01:54.180 Which, as far as banners go, is my favorite thus far.

00:01:56.720 Yeah, it's one of their better ones, yeah.

00:01:58.660 And what's stunning is that they're saying that this is very fancy. 0.92

00:02:02.840 They're calling them cowards.

00:02:04.500 In a social media post, Prime Minister Mark Carney called the act cowardly,

00:02:08.380 abhorrent, a disgusting display of hate that has no place in this country.

00:02:12.940 In a news release, police say they're investigating what they call a cowardly attempt to avoid accountability for actions that are clearly intended to intimidate, provoke fear, and division.

00:02:23.980 It should be an easy response.

00:02:27.900 Got bones.

00:02:29.160 You should be able to say yes.

00:02:31.780 Yeah.

00:02:32.300 They're asking, do you got the bones?

00:02:34.640 I assume you guys do, right?

00:02:37.440 In the graves?

00:02:39.280 Yes would be easy, but you don't.

00:02:41.440 So then, what do you mean that it's an attack?

00:02:45.440 Where are the bones?

00:02:47.440 I want my bones!

00:02:49.440 Where are the bones at?

00:02:51.440 I gotta have my bones!

00:02:53.440 You're actually not allowed to get mad at this unless you have something to hide.

00:02:57.440 Well, I mean, look, can I throw a little bit of water on it?

00:03:01.440 It's kind of related. 0.99

00:03:03.440 Oh shit! 1.00

00:03:05.440 Oh shit! 1.00

00:03:07.440 the whole focus 1.00

00:03:16.920 like a spritz

00:03:17.700 yeah I'm just gonna

00:03:18.780 it's a spritz

00:03:19.820 no don't

00:03:21.060 don't make it more 0.98

00:03:21.840 Jewish than it needs 1.00

00:03:22.660 to be a spritz 1.00

00:03:23.320 yo you said it

00:03:24.500 it was

00:03:24.860 I said spritz

00:03:26.500 not spritz

00:03:27.500 hey who's got the clip

00:03:28.500 dominating

00:03:29.460 so here's the thing

00:03:31.640 um

00:03:32.060 the

00:03:32.780 you got bones thing

00:03:33.840 is obviously in reference

00:03:34.740 to the

00:03:35.580 ground penetrating radar

00:03:36.840 in the Kamloops 200 in all of these things right and the argument has been centered around whether

00:03:42.840 or not there are the bodies of children and what bothers me about this is if they do find the bodies

00:03:48.600 of children it's like they take the air out of our tires here right but uh the thing is there are

00:03:55.080 children children died in many like for it wasn't Kamloops it was one of the other ones where they

00:04:00.360 did the ground penetrating radar but they buried it like they buried it ironically buried it right

00:04:04.840 They buried it in the news cycle because it turned out that there was a graveyard there.

00:04:08.680 It was just a local graveyard for the community that preexisted the school.

00:04:12.700 So the ground penetrating radar is probably anomalies like it's nothing, but it may actually be the bones.

00:04:17.220 It may even be the bones of children.

00:04:18.420 But the reality is you're looking at bones of children from 100 years ago when during the tuberculosis epidemic, there was a mortality rate of like 8% in rural communities or higher in the reserve communities.

00:04:29.760 Right. So just to say, oh, well, these children died.

00:04:32.540 yeah children died i don't think the argument should be i think we're we're in the wrong

00:04:36.920 position if we're saying no children died children died but not just children at the schools children

00:04:42.900 in the reserves died at a much higher rate than in the schools and while children and continue to

00:04:47.560 and continue to and while children in when they always say like well the children dying at the

00:04:52.660 schools were dying at three times the rate of the general population in canada it's like okay so are

00:04:57.160 are you you're uh you're comparing you're comparing the mortality rate of reserve children

00:05:05.320 which is to say children who just arrived from a reserve to a rural school sometimes with like 0.96

00:05:11.220 you know wood-fired heat in the middle of winter in the middle of the fucking upper peninsula 0.85

00:05:16.720 you're comparing them to children in toronto that's not fair it has nothing to do with race 0.99

00:05:23.000 and it has it's socioeconomic because the people living in the fucking gold rush camps and fucking 0.96

00:05:29.200 the yukon territories had a much higher mortality rate than that there just weren't as many of them 0.94

00:05:34.680 like the problem probably part of the issue with the residential school mortality thing

00:05:38.220 is these schools almost exclusively exist in places that regardless of race have high mortality

00:05:44.620 because they're rural and they're poor so and again and this is one thing that has not is look

00:05:50.620 it should be as controversial but i wonder sometimes whether they've allowed us to put

00:05:55.120 all of the heat on the graves thing because it's an easy win for them if they ever do exhume them

00:06:00.060 and they do find bodies and it doesn't really prove anything right even if there's no bodies

00:06:04.860 if there are bodies it doesn't prove the or it doesn't matter when you consider the fact that 0.90

00:06:09.540 obviously children died during the fucking spanish influenza you know what i mean i like 0.91

00:06:14.260 that reframing because you do raise a good point like if there were mass graves of children on 0.99

00:06:21.280 there it doesn't really fucking matter who cares if they found mass graves tomorrow if there were

00:06:26.720 a thousand children there i'm like oh that's what a shame that's awful that tuberculosis was a 0.97

00:06:31.400 horrible disease until we fucking cured it like what do you want me to say you like you want me 0.67

00:06:36.280 to like just because there's graves does that mean now you have to prove that the school like 0.99

00:06:40.120 murdered them all slit there oh well we're not saying that it was it was neglect okay like again 0.95

00:06:45.380 the the argument doesn't change so i don't give a fuck about the graves give me the graves give me 0.99

00:06:49.720 show me all the bones i don't care about the fucking bones also we're trying to project 0.99

00:06:53.820 our relationship with our children onto these people because the question must be asked why 0.99

00:07:01.080 is it up to us to find these graves didn't any of their family try and track them down it seems

00:07:07.280 like they're almost wards of the state or they were treated as such and this is how most parents

00:07:11.560 treat their kids in the rest of the world that drives me up the wall man yeah they just kind

00:07:16.060 of let them go and and you know they surrender that that happens even within european communities

00:07:22.180 too you have women surrendering their children and and that beggars belief to a lot of us but 0.98

00:07:27.480 um you know if abortion was fully legal you would have you would they are correct in saying you 0.97

00:07:33.280 have a rise and that women just leaving their children in dumpsters which is more but that's 1.00

00:07:39.360 more just we want to make the nature of women less abhorred by making it easier for them to 0.98

00:07:45.760 terminate their children but without addressing that what they're threatening which is that well 0.99

00:07:51.760 if you do that then we're just gonna drown them in the river and we're gonna smash them up under 0.98

00:07:57.520 car tires it's like i just i would also like you to not do that i thought that was clear but it's

00:08:04.240 like yeah i i really the parents and families didn't seem to give a if indeed it's the case 0.88

00:08:10.880 that they were taken and put into an academic slaughterhouse yeah yeah and gyneocracy is like 0.92

00:08:19.920 the indian reservation at a national level that we all live in i think i think they go too far 1.00

00:08:26.000 they overplay their hand when they criticize the residential school system for uh like oh they

00:08:33.040 reported all the deaths so they did they did by the way which the only reason we know this is they

00:08:36.240 actually recorded the deaths but they recorded them oh all they said was female child between

00:08:40.640 six and eight years old with no name and they're like oh how neglectful so now hold on a second

00:08:44.800 you're telling me that tens of thousands of children died and most of them had no names

00:08:49.040 barely had ages and may not have even had genders but you don't you have those records and you say

00:08:54.000 those records are incomplete but you're angry about that meanwhile you don't have a single

00:08:58.960 record of your own children who were taken not one of you not one of you can name the birth date or

00:09:06.000 the name or provide any i'm not saying these two kids didn't exist by the way i'm i'm certain they

00:09:10.640 did exist but you as parents and as a community when the rcmp came to take your kid whether you

00:09:17.040 fought or not when that kid left you apparently the only thing left after the kid was gone was 0.98

00:09:22.320 their memory in your mind because you don't remember their fucking name or when they were 0.99

00:09:26.660 born or what they did you don't remember anything about them somehow by the way you niggas didn't 0.99

00:09:31.360 even have a calendar when's their birthday the seventh moon of the that's what i was going to 0.92

00:09:36.300 get to like ironically not ironically i should stop saying that they have to pick one or the

00:09:41.160 other it's either you didn't do it because you were careless and your communities are broken 1.00

00:09:47.940 and even today you don't actually care for your fucking children which is a fact or you did you 1.00

00:09:53.680 did care for your kids but you didn't do it because even in 1914 you were stone cold illiterate 1.00

00:09:59.280 savages who didn't even have a pencil let alone know how to write yeah i'll tell you this i'll 0.97

00:10:04.120 do you one better i would willingly enthusiastically sacrifice a thousand aboriginal children for one 1.00

00:10:13.540 to learn cursive

00:10:15.340 well i would not say that but i realize you're joking but i personally would not say that

00:10:23.280 evan bag lord evan bag i would sacrifice 10 000 aboriginal children for but for one to know

00:10:31.820 arithmetic that is the trade in fact that's the trade we all make in academia yes and here we are

00:10:41.260 in academia making trade-offs yeah you know in all seriousness i never would as a dad would not

00:10:49.080 want to diminish the tragedy of children dying or children being taking taken away from their

00:10:53.760 parents frankly i i do actually have a problem with this kind of broadly but to think that

00:10:59.560 somehow all living christians and all living you know descendants of us white settler colonials 0.97

00:11:05.840 are liable for this is fucking ridiculous man it's ridiculous and if anything the kids that 0.99

00:11:12.940 were taken away from their parents although i disagree with kids being taken from their parents 1.00

00:11:16.000 we probably saved them because more of them died of tb in the reserves than died in the schools so

00:11:20.420 yeah we have to move on to the next thing this is more important i don't know if you've been

00:11:27.920 following this story candace owens yeah is a lesbian now buck status what the sigma

00:11:35.540 we're looking at esoteric shaggyism i've seen this guy come across the feed before

00:11:42.780 he's uh at the center of a lot of scene drama i don't know much about him otherwise

00:11:49.920 but he's got the scoop here i'm looking at an article he published on x here we don't need

00:11:57.400 to read the whole thing again developing story uh but the way it's developing is not shaking 0.91

00:12:04.500 out well for canis owens she has made a fool's error after fool's error which should come as no 1.00

00:12:11.960 surprise she's a very stupid woman the elite of the mormon culture the the cream of the pie 1.00

00:12:18.140 cream of the pie cream of the pie this is culturally shooting dice in the cum slump i don't 1.00

00:12:24.320 you know i i was thinking about this the other day before i came across this i was trying to think of 0.58

00:12:29.900 who the audience for canis owens is of course she's got a large audience you know she's one

00:12:36.300 of the biggest names out there uh beyond all reason and so but i i i i'm struggling to come

00:12:43.820 up with like who's who's the viewer like i kind of get like megan kelly i get like these retired 0.51

00:12:50.800 fox news people i know what a canis owens is too strange and she's too buffoonish for that crowd 0.98

00:12:58.860 is a millennial i don't there's no black people watching her is it asians somebody somebody told 1.00

00:13:06.140 me a while ago or i heard it third hand that their boomer maga mom likes candace and that 0.77

00:13:12.680 really struck me that it's like okay so it's boomer first of all boomers who are tv brained

00:13:16.860 and it's like the it's not it's not the brainy part of tv not that there is a thing but like

00:13:22.300 it's the it's the constant switching of the camera and the loudness and the laughter and the

00:13:27.660 the the dopamine right but look she's good at her sweater we're looking at a video right here that

00:13:33.180 okay it's it's very oprah like if you know like look at the set it's very soothing and calm

00:13:39.580 also the the types of mega people who want to be like i'm not racist but you know what i mean 0.94

00:13:47.760 like you have to get your weird conspiracy theories and you know anti-establishment shit 0.99

00:13:53.480 from a black woman because that gives you that it's for people that want that easy doorway they're 1.00

00:13:58.720 like well i mean i can say all these things and listen to these things because it's a sassy black 0.99

00:14:02.580 girl that's telling me right yeah and she's she puts a lot of work into whitening up her features 0.96

00:14:10.700 like her hair i can look at her hair right now i could say having seen a lot of bad weaves and

00:14:17.740 wigs in my day i'm like okay i think she knew that her credibility of this audience rested

00:14:23.260 on her having plausible 0.51

00:14:25.180 hair. 0.99

00:14:26.960 That's not black at all. 1.00

00:14:28.980 But she does a weird thing with the filter 0.99

00:14:31.400 here where, I don't know if you caught 0.99

00:14:33.280 this, she's trying to lighten

00:14:35.220 herself so much it kind of looks yellow.

00:14:37.620 You notice that? 0.85

00:14:39.840 She's also got

00:14:40.700 rosy cheeks almost.

00:14:43.220 They're doing a lot with this to 0.92

00:14:45.180 try to make her look as white as they can. 1.00

00:14:47.800 Tote bag race 0.97

00:14:49.180 watches this.

00:14:51.580 Will this news

00:14:53.040 hurt her standing with them.

00:14:55.080 Let's see.

00:14:57.240 There's a bit of a preamble here. 1.00

00:14:58.920 Candace was one of the most discussed women

00:15:00.880 of our time. 0.91

00:15:02.980 Would we say that one of the most discussed women

00:15:04.980 of our time? Yeah, disgusting, maybe. 1.00

00:15:07.700 Disgusting women of our time. 1.00

00:15:09.300 I don't mind telling you. 1.00

00:15:12.200 It's a tale 0.95

00:15:13.080 of hypocrisy, subterfuge. 0.88

00:15:14.880 Candace met her husband, George Farmer, 0.51

00:15:16.760 whom she cheated on in 2022

00:15:18.620 at an event hosted by a Scientologist

00:15:21.000 in Jeffrey Epstein's

00:15:22.620 black book. This is so good already.

00:15:24.720 The name of the Epstein files. In Russia, 0.56

00:15:26.440 Candace attended events run by Jeffrey Epstein's

00:15:28.560 Russian spook fixer.

00:15:30.760 Now, that's a tangent. 0.93

00:15:33.060 We can go. I need to have some more.

00:15:34.600 That has nothing to do with any of this, but it's awesome.

00:15:36.740 If that is true, that's some

00:15:38.520 good color, but that sounds

00:15:40.500 like the real story here. Anyway,

00:15:43.540 Candace takes money from 1.00

00:15:44.520 the seventh richest man in the world, Larry

00:15:46.440 Ellison. One of the key

00:15:48.620 pillars of Candace Owens' work is her most popular

00:15:50.760 series, Becoming Bridget. 0.98

00:15:52.620 and that's true accusing bridget macron being a man emmanuel macron dating men doing the gay sex 0.99

00:16:00.740 with a man i mean this really cuts the legs out from around that if it is true and it does seem 0.99

00:16:06.200 true she's out here smashing clams scissoring for days at a time and she's trying to call other

00:16:14.440 people gay you actually can't call here's the problem that he's french if you were to say that 0.96

00:16:21.740 oh he's gay with a man in a dress 0.93

00:16:24.040 most people would say okay 0.99

00:16:25.720 I get it he's French

00:16:27.580 Paris stuff 1.00

00:16:29.360 you are a black woman 1.00

00:16:31.780 you're not allowed to be gay she's like but no I'm 1.00

00:16:33.960 white look at my filter 1.00

00:16:35.280 I'm white 0.99

00:16:36.220 I'm white I'm allowed to be into Asian girls 1.00

00:16:39.620 I'm a saucy white dyke 1.00

00:16:41.980 just like you 1.00

00:16:42.940 I hope she leans

00:16:45.920 I'm sorry I didn't probably appreciate the 0.99

00:16:47.920 I'm white I'm allowed to be into Asian girls 1.00

00:16:49.660 that's fucking that took me a second that's good 1.00

00:16:53.300 canis owens constantly claims that she has nothing to hide she says her life is spent 0.99

00:16:58.140 between church and her children she says there's nothing to find on her i'm gonna skip ahead here 0.91

00:17:04.320 past the bitcoin submission thing canis emmer owens is a lesbian canis has four separate lesbian 0.89

00:17:11.280 dating accounts that includes one less logged into in early 2022 while married with kids these

00:17:18.080 are the facts the direct evidence and context bolstering them are indisputable and i'll be 0.99

00:17:22.780 sliding into dms with my fem fems bitch i ain't no kid i'm a eagle with an end and i don't need 1.00

00:17:29.000 your pussy got my own clam but they call me mrs eat pussy in japan and i'm with gang gang yeah 1.00

00:17:36.900 gang gang big dyke shit shoulder pads let the mans hang get your bitch i hope this ain't your 1.00

00:17:42.560 main thing and i'll be riding around on them bananas like them orangutan and i'll be sliding 1.00

00:17:47.420 around with the strap on like the chud do and if it's up then it's stuck nigga fuck you bitch 1.00

00:17:52.680 i'm from the dyke march bitch i slap a kirk traditional latin mass somewhere you can't go 1.00

00:17:58.080 that's on cashly that's on smashly i'ma go nuts just like bridges panties bitch i'm from the dyke 1.00

00:18:04.780 march bitch i slap a kirk traditional latin mass somewhere you can't go and i'll be yelling out 1.00

00:18:12.160 she uses incredibly specific usernames and this is the whole like i saw the evidence here that she 0.99

00:18:32.800 uses the same username so there's one here cadamo 429 ca oh candamo c-a-n-d-a-m-o-429

00:18:40.480 that was linked to a youtube account that published a video that was featuring her

00:18:48.620 and it was when she was in school this would have been quite some time ago it was like a college

00:18:53.080 project she was in but she's the type of person that uses a lot of the same stuff and there's

00:18:58.260 even some evidence here i'm looking at uh she's got this account they found on i didn't know this

00:19:06.420 gonna sound really naive i didn't know there's lesbian dating sites i only thought i know i know 0.96

00:19:13.800 of grinder that's where gay guys go to have sex i didn't know women were doing this you think they

00:19:19.040 have the site just for appearances just so they can talk about it but nobody actually ever meets 0.98

00:19:22.680 up yeah i i think it's it's something to discuss during brunch which is something again lesbians 0.91

00:19:29.580 don't do that with brunch historically was a gay man thing and then lesbians tried to get in on 0.97

00:19:37.600 brunch you ever seen women have you seen a table full of women eating a meal together 0.92

00:19:43.160 it's heinous i try not so here's what she says on this profile they found 0.97

00:19:48.600 linked to her name uh it says she's bisexual um has her name on it has her email address 1.00

00:19:56.020 i just want to have sex and eat pussy all night no one wants to eat pussy all night okay yeah 1.00

00:20:02.760 i she sounds like a virgin she sounds like a virgin man 1.00

00:20:07.400 okay so just imagine she's transracial she's actually like a 17 year old white boy 1.00

00:20:16.040 um here's imagine this coming out of the mouth of a 14 year old gamer i love licking clit i 1.00

00:20:23.580 consider myself to be very good at it yeah that's what a concept fucking anthony soprano ass bitch 1.00

00:20:32.480 yes i i can't unsee it i am a student in rhode island and i currently live in a house here 0.99

00:20:40.180 in the house near nagara said you don't need to talk to yourself yeah i'm looking for a discreet

00:20:45.460 to encounter she says um lists her ethnicity as east indian uh-oh no way could that be this

00:20:54.220 maybe maybe maybe we got it mixed up here would a black woman dare to call herself east indian

00:21:00.460 is that something they do that's bizarre i mean an east indian would call herself a black woman 0.64

00:21:05.880 she ran for president already that's true who which side of kamala harris was lying about the

00:21:12.740 other side i don't know i still don't know yeah anyway we don't need to go through the whole thing 0.89

00:21:18.020 um but it seems to me that canis owens has been having lesbian affairs the question was posed

00:21:25.880 what is her relationship with erica kirk charlie kirk's widow dark implications

00:21:32.740 everything's on the table i i'm looking at the paragraph on screen to see where it says that

00:21:41.060 or you're throwing that up

00:21:42.660 I just said a guy said that 1.00

00:21:45.320 oh okay, fuck 1.00

00:21:46.680 it's something that 1.00

00:21:47.920 could and has been said

00:21:50.400 those are just leaks, multiple accounts

00:21:53.080 haven't been accessed since 2007

00:21:54.800 making it impossible for them to have been

00:21:57.000 altered

00:21:57.820 then it gets into her marriage

00:22:00.880 it's difficult

00:22:02.900 for me to

00:22:04.040 everyone looks at a guy and says

00:22:05.980 that guy's queer 1.00

00:22:07.600 I saw this fucking video 0.99

00:22:09.940 i don't know how much of it was staged i've seen different versions of it set in asia and uh 0.99

00:22:17.300 new york and stuff where the bit is that the host shows the photo take takes a guy's photo

00:22:25.680 he's like hey are you straight he's like yeah do you think anyone would think that you're gay 0.99

00:22:30.180 can make a mistake he was gay he's like no i'm saying straight fuck i saw this takes his photo 0.99

00:22:34.120 shows it to like some random guy do you think this guy's nice gay yeah obviously he's got so 0.99

00:22:38.320 And then, would they say that about you? 1.00

00:22:40.600 Nah, man, that's fucked up. 0.99

00:22:41.940 They would never say that. 0.99

00:22:42.820 Couldn't say that.

00:22:43.520 Takes his phone to the next guy. 1.00

00:22:44.860 That guy's gay as fuck. 1.00

00:22:46.380 It's like every guy thinks every other guy is gay. 1.00

00:22:51.060 All right, so we're around half an hour in. 0.60

00:22:54.240 We've been spinning our wheels.

00:22:55.900 No, no, this is news, man.

00:22:57.700 This is what we're here for.

00:22:58.900 We've been clacking the bones together.

00:23:00.960 How are you doing?

00:23:01.740 How's everything?

00:23:02.740 Oh, I'm doing good, buddy.

00:23:03.720 I'm busy. 0.96

00:23:04.820 My wife is big and round.

00:23:06.620 And I'm good.

00:23:07.380 Everything's good.

00:23:08.320 how about you she's she's about to pop huh yeah a little while did you get excited for the third

00:23:16.160 one yeah very very actually yeah we're getting ready we're getting all the got the little

00:23:21.880 changing table out got the crib and the little bouncy chair and everything trying to get stuff

00:23:26.600 prepared it's exciting going back and looking at baby photos of my other kids and remembering like

00:23:31.960 oh they were really like there's another type like i'm used to them now right but there's that

00:23:36.340 cuteness of like a three-month-old which is very very different from a child that like 0.96

00:23:41.860 asks you retarded questions in a lisp can i tell you this i love the retarded questions 0.93

00:23:47.700 i'm so into that right now i don't care for the baby face and i'm at enough distance now that i 0.93

00:23:53.940 can say that and the first time it happens to you you're in it because it's new but with my second

00:24:00.560 you know i could take or leave this like i want to fast forward to when she's wearing dresses and

00:24:07.400 playing with dolls and stuff that'll be that'll be fun like my son he's not even four yet but

00:24:14.280 he took every week he gets smarter every week he's talking more and having deeper conversations

00:24:20.460 and they get weirder so his favorite thing is and i love it so we go to canadian tire and these

00:24:28.160 these giant animatronic skeletons that are in a grim reapers that are in a band and one's playing

00:24:34.860 drums with bones one's playing the guitar and one's got a microphone and they move in the song

00:24:39.480 they're playing is a cover of i love rock and roll you know i love but it's i love halloween

00:24:47.580 put another candy in the basket baby and so he loves that song and he's got this little toy

00:24:53.800 electronic guitar and he'll actually be strumming it and walking on going i love halloween and he

00:25:00.360 doesn't know the whole song but i'm like he thinks that's the song that's great but i love and then

00:25:05.000 he'll start running and just like collide to the couch and start like doing wrestling moves i'm

00:25:09.160 like this is the best this is exactly what i wanted i'm worried that he's starting to get

00:25:19.160 kind of spooky though yeah he told me the other day just like his old man i know it happens early

00:25:26.280 he's got the genes and so we're driving in the car and uh sometimes i need to ask him

00:25:33.080 for clarification a couple times to make sure i heard him right and he's complaining about the sun

00:25:38.600 and he was telling me that he wanted it to be gray out i'm like oh it's kind of it because

00:25:46.680 it started to get cloudy like oh it's kind of cloudy kind of gray i'm like do you like that

00:25:50.840 he's like yeah and and i'm like are you sure he's like yeah don't like the sun

00:25:56.600 i'm like man that's that's cool like it's cool i don't know what to make of that

00:26:00.440 but maybe yeah maybe the sun gets in your eyes right like a nice gray day i like a gray day i

00:26:05.880 like fog but i thought i had to learn that later from watching dark films but i think it's just in

00:26:13.800 the guts and the blood i've a couple of times when i visited he's got a good like smoldering face so

00:26:19.220 he'll look at you from across the room with his head down and kind of look up through his eyebrows

00:26:22.620 just like stare at you for a minute it's like yeah like all right what are you gonna don't hurt me

00:26:27.940 he's got he's got like when he's around strangers like he'll just kind of have this piercing look

00:26:33.020 yeah it doesn't it doesn't want to interact just yet i want to look at this i didn't even get a

00:26:38.940 chance to look at this piece i'm looking at science.org and we're talking speaking of ai

00:26:46.860 here's the headline not alive but not dead disembodied human brains used for drug testing

00:26:55.160 this can't be good right no i'm trying to imagine hey maybe the no let's you know by restoring some

00:27:04.280 functions to intact brains from deceased donors the startup bex org oh just a bad name for a

00:27:12.240 company that torches brains hopes to create a better drug development test med for neurodegenerative

00:27:18.460 diseases like this really like i know what they're going to say to me they're going to be ironic

00:27:24.420 they're going to that the ceo is going to come out and say i know how this looks we're sticking

00:27:29.800 needles and brains and giving them pain 1.00

00:27:31.720 diseases. So he named it something

00:27:33.940 ironic to let you know. We're not the types

00:27:35.780 of guys. We're the guys who laugh at that

00:27:37.780 too. It's kind of crazy

00:27:39.740 that we're doing this. So we're going to come out

00:27:41.600 and I'm going to dress like a supervillain. I'm going

00:27:43.800 to dress like Dr. Neocortex from

00:27:45.760 Crash Bandicoot.

00:27:47.620 Just to let you know, I'm on the level.

00:27:50.000 But really, I

00:27:51.700 don't want to create enough

00:27:53.620 ironic distance from the fact that this is a

00:27:55.740 brain torturing company.

00:27:58.740 This is

00:27:59.460 like if the brain is a very mysterious thing and i i would be loathe to imagine that

00:28:06.200 something is trapped in there i'm speaking in the loosest terms possible but did the donors

00:28:12.580 consent to it because i actually have pretty much no problem at all as long as the donors consented

00:28:17.600 just a day ago the brain was a living person now hours after its owner died it sits on a carton

00:28:23.140 draped in tubes that quiver as they pump liters of blood substitute and other fluids the organ

00:28:28.900 supplying oxygen and removing waste with most of its key functions intact with its electrical

00:28:35.500 activity quenched by anesthesia which is again just hearing them like you need to give it anesthesia

00:28:42.340 still i don't know like the brain hovers between life and death as it metabolizes experimental

00:28:49.040 drugs sensors record its reactions capturing hundreds of data points okay um the brain is

00:28:55.620 one more than 700 at the five-year-old biotech startup Bexorb has nurtured and studied using a

00:29:01.560 set of proprietary brain-sustaining machines. I'm trying to find if they give consent.

00:29:09.600 They stayed under the radar. Yeah, it doesn't really say. The brains are already almost

00:29:17.720 devoid of the coordinated neural fire necessary even for minimal consciousness. They're devoid

00:29:24.840 of almost

00:29:26.780 devoid of what

00:29:28.880 can make minimal consciousness

00:29:30.560 so they're almost brain

00:29:33.040 dead I'm like can they not 0.94

00:29:34.860 just be fully brain dead 0.98

00:29:36.040 I feel like we're playing with something 0.91

00:29:38.800 here because it seems like

00:29:40.860 the only way this works is if you have a

00:29:42.760 conscious brain that you can inject 0.97

00:29:44.960 new types of AIDS into

00:29:46.500 I'm looking at it elsewhere and it seems like a lot

00:29:48.960 of the people that are donors

00:29:50.580 are people that were organ donors but they

00:29:52.820 were not asked before they died it's their

00:29:54.800 families that get asked afterwards and they're mostly people that died of alzheimer's and

00:29:59.880 parkinson's because it's about neurodegenerative diseases but that is fascinating because it's

00:30:04.240 like oh they apparently have safeguards saying that quote no consciousness is recovered during

00:30:10.380 the process end quote so like what is how do you like don't you don't have a test for that man

00:30:16.220 no we don't have tests for that because i i feel like i'm just being a spiritual kook here when i

00:30:22.440 talk like this always saying the soul is trapped in the brain i don't know what i'm saying yeah i

00:30:27.680 just know that i'm as i'm reading this from science.org which is attempting to give the

00:30:35.180 best version of this it does sound like a bunch of brains in the jar that you're trying to figure

00:30:40.960 out how to have the minimum viable consciousness to do lab experiments on which are always bad

00:30:48.100 you know you could you just the only thing is you did this to animals enough and then there's

00:30:55.620 there's nothing else they can learn more their torture more to the point it actually is kind

00:30:59.180 of question but conscious because they're not trying to maintain a minimum level of consciousness

00:31:02.460 by their own admission they're trying to make sure there's no consciousness they want to get

00:31:06.460 enough as much functionality out of the brain as they can with none of the consciousness and then

00:31:12.260 the point is we don't know how to do that we don't really know the relationship between those two

00:31:16.200 things they want all of one and none of the other because they want to test drugs for these

00:31:22.320 conditions on working brains without subjecting a consciousness to the side effects of drugs so 0.89

00:31:29.460 yeah like man i don't know how that i don't know how they're fucking getting away with this to be

00:31:34.440 honest and i'm not against it like if you had a way to prove that there was no consciousness

00:31:40.440 this is excellent research because neurodegenerative diseases are horrible and we should cure them

00:31:45.920 so i'm i'm for testing on brains but like can we what kind of safeguards do we have here can i

00:31:53.360 have input on the brains they use me yeah me right i was just gonna say that can i pick the brains

00:31:59.200 can we use brains of people that i personally do not like yeah yeah why we're good i'm gonna

00:32:06.000 start lighting fires until i get that power yeah because remember that's our politics now but i'm

00:32:12.420 started lighting fires in fields what happens if it turns out that bernie farber has parkinson's

00:32:21.060 ah oh interesting interesting test case dr judas why don't we take a big mallet and

00:32:28.180 bonk him on the head to get him right at the edge of consciousness yeah

00:32:34.740 we are not doctors so we can't do that but if he was in connecticut maybe

00:32:39.540 and a baby grand piano

00:32:43.020 fell on him and bonked him on the head

00:32:45.320 and then he was 0.53

00:32:47.240 in a coma, the stars

00:32:48.900 circling his head, then he can just start

00:32:50.940 shoving whatever you want in there, he's right there

00:32:52.860 you're already at the party 1.00

00:32:53.940 damn son, where'd you find the 1.00

00:32:56.040 stop, ass rape 1.00

00:32:57.220 you would get 1.00

00:33:00.740 accused of being a Luddite

00:33:02.740 if you're against this, you would get

00:33:04.720 accused of being a decelerationist

00:33:07.240 because that's how they're talking about

00:33:08.800 ai anyone who's generally in favor or accepting of ai but somewhat critical you'll be called a

00:33:19.040 decelerationist if you're not full steam ahead on everything just like this like i i get the sense 0.51

00:33:26.600 that i'm on the outside of this i'm alone and really giving a shit about this that do i care 0.89

00:33:33.180 about this enough to fight it do i care enough about this to bring it up in conversation with 0.89

00:33:39.040 people and pursue this not really and that's the thing that's how this technology continues on 0.95

00:33:45.800 because deep down i don't think we really give enough of a shit to stop it if it turned out 0.87

00:33:53.280 that these break if you if this story was about how the brains are completely conscious but it 0.88

00:33:58.660 like that game soma i don't know if anyone remembers that game that was great i like that

00:34:03.140 yeah so it's like oh no we did a snapshot of the brain so it's like a clone and it has all their

00:34:08.820 memories but is that them is that real you know even the movie dark city was about this to one

00:34:17.220 extent or the other like what is just a cluster of memories is that a person and so if you and you

00:34:25.620 could even just lie in a press release and say it's not a real person we took a snapshot and

00:34:30.340 it's a clone and that's what we're torturing and so you don't don't even feel bad because

00:34:36.100 it's not the first one and that would make most people go away it's just confusing enough

00:34:42.660 philosophically for them to to cancel that out of their vision right that's it and then they just

00:34:50.580 you can keep doing you could actually do that if you want to or you could do this to a live

00:34:55.060 brains and maybe it's uh you know if they were doing it to fully live conscious people i'd be

00:35:02.820 fine as long as they're consenting because again they are actually contributing ostensibly to a

00:35:09.300 cure to a very bad disease so this reminds me of the story that i saw and if you know more about

00:35:16.120 this you tell me because i think i read this wrong it was about how they had created a model

00:35:24.120 using the brain of a fly do you hear about this yeah what's that about because people are making

00:35:31.080 it do all kinds of cockamamie things i don't know i didn't read about it i don't um like this it's

00:35:36.900 related to the thing what we're just talking about right personally i don't buy into the whole

00:35:41.080 mechanistic view of of consciousness and the soul i don't think the brain is the soul so like okay

00:35:47.180 well you've you've patterned out how a fly reacts to things except that now this fly's on the

00:35:52.500 treadmill and now the fly is making an ice cream so obviously it's not actually that it's something

00:35:58.360 else like you've patterned what the the the map is not the territory you know what i mean

00:36:03.360 like i don't i don't know how else to describe it here's what yeah you're correct it mapped

00:36:08.120 the brain of a common fruit fly creating a detailed wiring diagram called the connectome

00:36:15.640 containing over 139,000 to 166,000 neurons.

00:36:21.480 Now the way you make one of these is a little bit crazy.

00:36:24.400 You take one fly and you slice it eight nanometers thick.

00:36:27.320 This is one real section through the brain

00:36:29.060 and there are 134,000 of these

00:36:31.460 and you image everyone with an electron microscope

00:36:33.880 and if you zoom in a hundred times,

00:36:36.000 that dark bar is a single synapse.

00:36:38.280 On one side is a looming detector,

00:36:40.120 so a cell in the eye that fires

00:36:41.800 when something gets bigger fast,

00:36:43.240 like a hand coming at the fly

00:36:44.600 and on the other side is a giant fiber, which is the neuron that actually makes the fly jump.

00:36:49.500 That's the escape reflex. After this, Google's team then used something called a flood-filling

00:36:53.680 network, which starts at a single pixel and grows outwards to find every other pixel that belongs to

00:36:58.480 the same neuron through every one of those sections. These are 80 of the real trace cells

00:37:03.040 from that escape circuit, and the gold one is the giant fiber. That one neuron alone has nearly 25,000

00:37:08.560 synapses landing on it from over 3,000 other cells. The red and orange ones are the looming

00:37:13.100 detectors with nearly six and a half thousand synapses between them all of this work then ends

00:37:17.200 up as a giant table detailing who connects to who how many synapses there are and a predicted

00:37:21.660 transmitter which all together is 125 million rows researchers can trace how sensory inputs like

00:37:29.080 vision taste and smell turn into physical actions like walking and jumping they're using computer

00:37:34.480 simulations um so they use the brain as like a cpu it seems and then there's a visual representation

00:37:42.240 so people can log on and the last one i saw was someone was making the fly go through full masonic

00:37:50.060 rites and they modeled the masonic temple in the 3d space and the fly is going through

00:37:56.940 and just part of me being so corrupted by science fiction and all these stories i'm like

00:38:04.420 i don't know like is this if we were doing this to a real fly would that be ethical yeah it's just 0.77

00:38:10.880 a fucking fly but it just something seems a bit more perverse about it i'm like are we creating 0.98

00:38:16.480 suffering am i against creating suffering i turn back on myself like do i actually give a shit 1.00

00:38:21.020 or my pantomiming a morality yeah because i've been taught by media that i'm supposed to be 0.98

00:38:27.820 against this and i've never really inquired about whether or not i even give a shit i think when i 0.95

00:38:35.260 pick my cat up don't laugh at me for having a cat don't if i pick my cat up by the arms 0.94

00:38:41.260 and make her do a little dance that's more me controlling the mind of a cat than this is

00:38:47.540 controlling the mind of a fly first of all because the mind of a fly is not just a model of the

00:38:53.300 neurons even if you actually had the fly brain physically in a jar that would be more the mind

00:38:59.900 of a fly but it's still not the mind of a fly unless it's connected to the body of a fly and

00:39:03.700 it's alive right so if you grab the arms of a fly and made it dance that would be it you know if you

00:39:08.540 grab the arms of a fly and with tweezers and you made it do a masonic right that would be real and 0.69

00:39:13.760 more funny than doing it on a fucking computer and putting on twitter it's literally not anything 0.93

00:39:18.860 when you put it on twitter it's literally you playing with a toy that's modeled after something 0.98

00:39:24.080 that somebody else did if i could explain this in another manner for our audience which is worse 0.55

00:39:31.020 raping someone

00:39:33.680 or

00:39:34.800 going into their mind and

00:39:37.360 implanting a dream 1.00

00:39:39.640 where you raped them and then 1.00

00:39:41.540 they enjoyed it. 1.00

00:39:44.260 Which is more of

00:39:45.700 an intrusion.

00:39:48.660 Which is

00:39:49.560 least ethical.

00:39:51.320 Again, I understand

00:39:53.460 what you're saying, but that isn't

00:39:55.520 what we're dealing with here, right?

00:39:58.000 But if it was...

00:39:59.600 He said that in a way that was supposed to sound nice.

00:40:01.880 He's like, I understand what you're saying,

00:40:04.180 but that is not what we're talking about.

00:40:09.300 This is how you know he's got kids and why he's a good father.

00:40:13.100 Because that was a very...

00:40:14.340 I left that knowing I was as wrong as I've ever been,

00:40:18.260 but I didn't feel bad.

00:40:23.820 It's classic redirection.

00:40:25.740 I felt like, okay, I'm learning.

00:40:29.600 i i i don't think there's a way for us to proceed upon this path we're starting with a

00:40:39.240 you know we're injecting diseases into deceased brains and trying to maintain a low level of

00:40:48.440 consciousness just because we need to know what the reaction is then there's us modeling insects

00:40:54.340 and then just playing around, immediately playing around.

00:40:58.100 Right.

00:40:58.580 Immediately trying to humiliate it.

00:41:01.200 And then the next thing they did, it couldn't be a dog or a cat. 0.95

00:41:05.820 But if it was a silverback gorillas, that's the bully of the jungle. 1.00

00:41:11.260 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:11.620 That could be fun.

00:41:12.940 A shark.

00:41:13.720 A dolphin.

00:41:14.820 Yeah, or like a shark is kind of a bad guy.

00:41:18.520 That's what my son would say.

00:41:20.680 And he's right.

00:41:22.020 A shark is a bad guy. 1.00

00:41:23.260 and what do you do to bad guys model their brains and you make them recite pickle rick shit 0.98

00:41:31.680 make them it may you make it mad with wu-tang lyrics and then it's like at that point no one 0.97

00:41:39.720 would care like no one's there's no pushback there's no pushback on anything i was thinking

00:41:45.060 about this even today i forget what caused me to consider this but i tend to i go on blue sky from

00:41:54.180 time to time and just keep an eye on what the leftists are saying the progressives are saying

00:42:00.100 liberals not so much but you know the bread tubers the marxists the democratic socialists

00:42:06.580 all these groups and uh i watch some of their content they have got their video podcasts and

00:42:12.900 everything and you can just go and see what they're talking about right now and it occurred to me that

00:42:18.580 the left has no coherent model to address technological development it's really only

00:42:28.180 the right even conservatives but just what to do about ai how to address that how to talk about it

00:42:37.780 what the implications are

00:42:39.840 what are the positive consequences

00:42:41.940 and the negative consequences

00:42:43.340 I swear if you just go to any leftist

00:42:45.640 it all comes back to

00:42:47.860 hating billionaires like that's it

00:42:49.980 beginning middle

00:42:51.980 of end of everything they have

00:42:53.880 to say on any topic it's like they're trying to

00:42:55.620 shoehorn it into a pre-existing system

00:42:57.980 or structure that they were already

00:42:59.660 handling they don't want to put that down and

00:43:01.760 pick something else up so you don't like

00:43:03.780 AI why because of tech

00:43:05.680 bros

00:43:06.280 well when you say tech bro do you mean the indian h1b visa people in silicon valley well no

00:43:15.580 you just mean elon musk that's it you just hate elon musk and that's all you talk about you used

00:43:22.180 to also talk about universal health care you don't really care about that anymore

00:43:25.520 but it's just like everything is just hating billionaires but they don't they don't really

00:43:30.820 have an opinion or a stance on ai and you you could make a marxist because the extent reaction

00:43:39.440 to it but i don't even know how because it would be like if the bolshev if you're against ai that

00:43:45.220 would be like if the bolsheviks were against the industrial revolution marx wasn't even necessarily

00:43:49.920 against the industrial revolution he was against capitalism and the form it took as a consequence

00:43:56.420 of the industrial revolution but like the ussr every communist society that happened it ran

00:44:05.500 screaming towards industrialization that much is obvious so but it's like the left is neither

00:44:12.760 ai accelerationist or anti-ai they're not ai doomers i mean you don't know what you're you

00:44:20.180 don't know what you think about this you actually don't know what you think about any technological

00:44:24.280 go you don't have an opinion on quantum computing you don't have anything like what is what is the

00:44:29.000 leftist take on space travel i know what ours is we're going all the time but wanting to colonize

00:44:34.740 the stars but you you got you actually just don't like it because elon musk is starting a rocket

00:44:40.340 company that's that's why they can never you know i was thinking about even people who run for

00:44:47.280 example like the canada anti-hate network and i was looking at one of the articles they posted

00:44:53.660 it was when they were doxing the exiles of the golden dawn and we talked about that on the show

00:44:59.300 before there's a event on the west coast yeah and they camped outside and took photos of all the

00:45:07.480 people who were going in and i was reading the article and it was pleading to the public saying

00:45:13.920 help us identify these people we don't know who they are and as far as i know they never got them

00:45:20.180 because the people aren't paying attention no one's going to do their work for them right but

00:45:27.300 they said help us get these nazis and then they didn't get them because the public did not support 0.97

00:45:33.540 this they didn't give a shit because i was thinking this will cause me to think about 0.97

00:45:37.900 the previous topic which which is like who is this for who are you writing this for is it for 0.98

00:45:45.580 regular people is it for the you call these people white supremacists are you

00:45:51.400 writing it for other minorities the Indians it can't be because every

00:45:57.280 single day I'm on X for a little bit and I'm having a direct engagement with

00:46:02.800 three to five Indians different ones who say their locations in Canada and

00:46:08.680 they're telling me that they're replacing me because white people are 1.00

00:46:13.480 stupid and weak and they don't know how to work and they'll say things like we're going to outbreed 1.00

00:46:18.180 you every single day you can do that too if you want to go so when they you talk about great 1.00

00:46:23.420 replacement theory you call that conspiracy theory well you're not saying that to all the indians and 0.99

00:46:29.340 somalis and all every other you know non-white that comes here because they know what they're 0.99

00:46:34.560 doing so you're not talking to them you're not you're not talking to us who are you talking to 0.98

00:46:40.080 other leftists and there's not a lot of you i go to any town of you know reason substantial size

00:46:49.200 and there's join your local communist party and it's who is it it's lenin pointing at you they're

00:46:56.720 using the same iconography they did in the 1930s and this isn't this is just let it's it's an

00:47:02.480 ouroboros it's leftist talking to other leftists and that's why they they actually don't need to

00:47:07.920 address the rest of the world what do you think about technology what do you think about

00:47:11.920 what was the leftist take on covid let's just get the vaccines the same as liberals and conservatives

00:47:20.000 there's nothing here with you you just have seething resentment for white people doing things

00:47:27.200 and eventually people started to notice that anyway i just went off on a tangent there 0.72

00:47:34.080 i tell you what man it's true fly brains well i i wonder if there's something about

00:47:42.940 the conservative or right-wing mind that's more pragmatic that like the nature of the nature of

00:47:50.820 being conservative is slowing down and examining things and it's ironic because we say that the

00:47:56.280 left is supposed to be high openness right but i think in many ways they're in being so zealous

00:48:01.400 about things that they kind of miss the forest for the trees and then they can't actually engage

00:48:05.460 with stuff the way that we do i do think that like genuinely i'm trying to not be blinded by

00:48:10.860 my biases but i do think that you're right and that we engage i think to be honest a lot of these

00:48:17.600 issues a right winger could write a better left-wing position on these issues than a left

00:48:21.820 winger could like we could write both positions better than they could you know what i mean like

00:48:25.860 i could write a really strong left-wing position against or for ai data centers the average left

00:48:32.320 winger would be like high power bills oh scary yeah yes i i'm reminded of this post i saw and

00:48:42.440 it was someone saying that liberals they don't have a mental model for how anything works and

00:48:49.700 And they were referring to another post or an article saying that men, especially young white men, are very angry these days.

00:48:59.440 And they're very despondent and nihilistic.

00:49:01.240 And it should be the main goal of social scientists to figure out why.

00:49:07.200 Oh, you don't know why anything's happening.

00:49:10.480 You're genuinely confused.

00:49:12.080 I remember when we covered Enlightenment Now by Steven Pinker on our sister show, Do You Even Read?

00:49:18.200 that was Pinker's whole tone

00:49:21.440 it was like everything's amazing

00:49:23.480 this is Utopia

00:49:24.580 why is everyone upset

00:49:26.360 this is the best

00:49:29.380 it must be that you guys are wrong

00:49:31.400 and you don't know it yet

00:49:32.240 but it's like they're so convinced

00:49:35.460 of their world view

00:49:36.880 that they've never even considered anything

00:49:39.020 outside of it

00:49:39.940 but even with the left

00:49:42.520 you actually haven't thought about any of this stuff

00:49:44.860 you don't see any of this as a problem

00:49:46.720 because you've got one thing

00:49:47.500 which is white men in positions of authority that's all it's just see the resentment against

00:49:53.220 that and so it's not even about topics so they'll say like it's about health care it's not about 0.98

00:49:58.360 health care be real you don't care about health care you care about giving money to obese black

00:50:06.020 people because you think it makes white people upset that's it i saw this video here you saw 0.91

00:50:12.240 this right flesh simulators new company i watch this what do you what do you think let's watch

00:50:17.760 it for a minute here just so people understand what's going on and i'm here today to introduce

00:50:22.480 you to soulnet soulnet is our primary case management and counter harassment platform

00:50:27.600 it is a desktop application it runs locally it does not sleep what follows is an overview of

00:50:32.800 its capabilities we encourage you to watch it in full every harassment campaign has social structure

00:50:38.320 just to pause this is flesh simulator he is a content creator that's very popular in our

00:50:45.940 community in our extended sphere a lot of people like his videos uh for what it's worth i found

00:50:53.160 them to be pretty derivative uh a lot of the stuff i remember there's one video he did which

00:51:00.920 was about the intersection of american intelligence and serial killers now he had said that he worked

00:51:08.760 on that video for like seven months seven months to nine months and that was around the time or i

00:51:15.560 saw it like long after we had done our coverage on this show of um we did a couple of books on that

00:51:24.120 topic and uh the names escape me right now but uh program to kill was one of them that was a

00:51:31.600 popular one and then there's a follow-up one and then i realized i was watching it i said

00:51:36.200 because i had read those books recently and taken pretty sense of notes i knew exactly what he was

00:51:43.460 ripping off so when we cover a book we'll quote the book and say this is this is from the book

00:51:49.020 this is from this author and we'll discuss it yeah he does a lot of like from my extensive

00:51:53.160 research you know he'll kill just take sections of the book and say them and not attribute them

00:51:58.660 to the book which is worse like it's just reading the book without telling people to read the book 0.54

00:52:03.020 so you're trying to pass it off as your original thought but and he did it in the same jewish 1.00

00:52:08.540 after all is he oh you didn't know no he's half jewish well wicked that's not good oh well fuck 0.98

00:52:17.220 he made a good anti-harassment platform and i just thought this was i'd never heard of something 0.99

00:52:25.540 like this being done before and i'll plead ignorance if it's existed i've been following

00:52:31.360 the drama around him for months like he was claiming he was being cyber bullied and gang

00:52:37.260 stalked on the internet and there's truth to it um but uh to what degree i think he

00:52:44.960 ended up getting a divorce he claims he got a divorce because of it he's kind of a eccentric

00:52:51.980 guy i don't know how much i can very autistic yeah i don't know how much of this i could

00:52:57.000 truly believe straight continuum i think he's turning into like a what if autist level

00:53:02.280 wall cow at this point frankly i don't dislike the guy i mean for being a michelin

00:53:06.640 whatever i kind of like his videos but everything that he's posted for a while has been this whole

00:53:12.460 thing about him being harassed and so on and then if you look go look at his like his x spaces it's

00:53:17.960 him spending hours talking personably with the people that are supposedly harassing him like he

00:53:24.140 goes and seeks them out and just talks to them constantly and they like really and they tell

00:53:28.200 him to go away and he's like i'm gonna get you like man honestly it's just a bunch of twitter 0.60

00:53:32.920 guys and it's also like other weird neurotic jewish guys like him who are kind of doing the 0.58

00:53:37.440 same thing and they're actually very polite with him in like a weirdly passive aggressive way so 0.67

00:53:42.560 i i don't buy most of what he's selling the other part of it is like you qualified this like he

00:53:47.080 created a really good program for this he used claude to write something and now he's posting 0.76

00:53:51.860 it as if it's a real piece of fucking software the same as all of us have been doing for the 0.60

00:53:55.400 past year and a half okay that's what this is i'm just saying he's look i don't know that but i'm 0.99

00:54:00.060 just doing pattern recognition here okay nobody writes fucking software nobody has written any 0.84

00:54:05.340 software in the past year the last piece of software written i guarantee you was summer 2025 0.99

00:54:09.480 this guy who is not a coder by the way he's a fucking youtube guy with like a psych degree 0.92

00:54:15.260 he did not create a piece of software he asked claude to create something a fucking artifact or 0.98

00:54:21.160 a code base it has not been debugged it has not been deployed and i'm not look i also i am not a 0.98

00:54:27.400 coder i'm not even an engineer i'm a fucking scam artist okay but i'm telling you as a guy who scams 0.96

00:54:34.340 people for a living that okay he's doing what i do to my client i don't want people to take you 0.98

00:54:39.680 seriously when you say that he's not a scam artist

00:54:42.640 i'm saying me being the guy who takes llm product and passes it off as my own work to clients for

00:54:51.660 money that's what he's doing to you as the viewer as a youtube person i created this software no

00:54:56.960 you didn't no you didn't i'm sorry you're not a software developer so you tell me like look just

00:55:02.880 tell us about the team how did you put a team together how did you hire that's what i want to

00:55:06.740 know because it's him in front of the camera and if if this is true and this software does exist

00:55:14.100 and it's a company that uses the software but it installs partially on your computer i guess but

00:55:20.940 tell me about the you seem to get this going very fast yes very fast for how broad it is and for the

00:55:29.200 really large claims that he's making about it yeah very fast so was it that this software was

00:55:33.600 already in development and they just got you as the spokesman which is fine i would prefer that

00:55:39.440 or is it just you opened up cloud or something and did it yourself but like i need to i need to

00:55:47.140 see the three to five guys it for me to take this seriously that because let's just see the claims

00:55:53.360 here i like the motivation i like the that someone is doing this and i don't think he's

00:56:01.640 incorrect in saying how these online harassment campaigns work i as you say if he's using himself

00:56:10.500 as an example from what i've seen i can't say that he's being harassed i don't know who an

00:56:16.560 example would be except for chris chan you know i mean like someone where it's like dozens of

00:56:23.280 people who are descending upon your life well that's what struck me because i watched a few

00:56:28.100 videos about this lately and he's talking like it's very common for this to happen to such and

00:56:31.680 such a type of person like if it's common that's news to me because i've never known anybody in my

00:56:36.820 life or known anybody who knew anybody in real life who this happened to the only people that

00:56:41.820 i'm aware of that it happens to are like weird neurotic autists on discord and they're usually

00:56:46.780 public law cows like chris chan or like yourself or what if altist they're people that can't help

00:56:53.700 but stick themselves right up in the public eye to the point that they just get harassed and then 0.94

00:56:59.360 they can't step away from it and i mean he's he's fucking doing it even creating this video and 0.94

00:57:04.880 making these claims he's playing into that himself and this is classic law cow behavior and i don't 0.85

00:57:11.840 want to say is a lockout but i'm reminded of i haven't checked in on him in quite some time but

00:57:16.980 one of my favorites for a long time was patrick tomlinson oh yeah and i was on him early and

00:57:22.840 here's a man who's got thousands of people who are watching his every online move but it's because

00:57:29.420 he never logs off he tweets a thousand times a day he's always getting into fights he's always

00:57:35.320 posting his own photos he desires to be out there and people are responding to it and you could he

00:57:41.140 would say that he's being harassed but that's because you welcome it so much

00:57:45.100 okay stalker you sweet summer child he's like my sweet summer child enjoy prison

00:57:51.520 enjoy prison he's been saying enjoy prison stalker for what five six ten

00:57:57.160 years but it's very fun like it I didn't get off of that because it gets so

00:58:05.860 grating that's the problem with a lot of these law cows that are very very

00:58:10.120 political and just won't ever log off is it's just frustrating watching them it's not fun

00:58:17.160 they're just they keep stepping on the same rakes over and over again and you start to hate them

00:58:22.480 you start to wish ill upon them and then you just need to back away because that's that was the

00:58:27.760 first a log that's where the word comes from a log it's from chris chan i'm sure your wife knows this

00:58:33.520 because she's a scholar of chris chan but for people who don't know there's an informal rule

00:58:39.420 in places like kiwi farms which i love which is and this was the case on the lolcow forums back

00:58:44.760 in the day don't touch the poop which is that look you can watch these people do not try to meet up

00:58:51.180 with them don't drive out to see them don't go to fight them if they are reviving like just

00:58:55.600 hands off let them be how they're going to be and milk them for lols but uh with someone like him

00:59:04.480 like he he could he would probably tell you he's being stalked right but it's because he invites

00:59:10.860 it so i do wonder and i'll claim naivete here but like is anyone stalked even online

00:59:19.480 because it's easy to block people you know i mean even even the dominion society like it 0.93

00:59:26.420 like i bet greg wycliffe has got like three to five guys that are gonna like post the same shit 0.84

00:59:34.380 under his whatever he posts you know three or five guys but i don't know is that worth making 0.87

00:59:42.160 a software over like i'm pretty sure i've got like three or five i got a couple guys on substack

00:59:48.780 that just shit on my stuff but i'm like salmon king yeah well what is i i don't know to me

00:59:57.100 gang stalking has to be you have got nine people who are following you in real life it has to be 0.99

01:00:02.140 real life it has to be you're seeing the same car with tinted windows outside your house right like

01:00:06.860 that's stalking not just like people commenting on your public profile because you refuse to block

01:00:12.140 them come on i like still what he's saying and the logic behind how this works coordinators

01:00:19.580 lieutenants amplifiers burner coordinators has social structure coordinators lieutenants

01:00:26.620 Amplifiers. Burner accounts made to look unrelated. Solnet's social graph maps this. You enter a

01:00:32.860 handle. The graph then pulls the associated network, clusters it by connection density,

01:00:37.340 and flags suspected coordinated actors automatically. The graph does not require

01:00:41.980 your participation. Expansion is recursive. People who harass from multiple accounts

01:00:48.540 generally believe they are anonymous. They're wrong. Solnet's stylometry engine uses Luar,

01:00:55.100 a machine learning model for authorship attribution it reads punctuation oh so it uses this like a

01:01:01.420 face plate for that luar you agree with that also no i haven't heard of it but also like i'm looking

01:01:07.900 at what he's built and like it's one thing to make the claim but now that we all know it would be

01:01:13.180 easier to make these claims five ten years ago when like the only way to make it was a software

01:01:17.260 developers but now like you've got some cool graphics and you've got some neat words that i

01:01:22.540 I don't understand. So the implication is these are words that have some other jargon meaning that

01:01:27.920 I just don't get. But I also know how LLM works, LLMs work. And it's likely that some of these

01:01:33.180 jargon meanings, like what do you say, attributors and contributors and whatever spokes on a wheel.

01:01:37.260 And like, these are all things that the LLM just threw at you and you accepted them and you're

01:01:41.300 saying them to me, but I don't believe that they have any meaning aside from what I infer.

01:01:45.900 And what are those dots? Are those dots actually all people? Are they real accounts? Did you go

01:01:50.900 and manually validate that each of those dots

01:01:53.000 is actually part of a network, or is Luar

01:01:54.940 giving you 60% false

01:01:56.800 positives? And how would you know?

01:01:59.840 Right? Yeah, so he's

01:02:00.960 got something here for people who haven't

01:02:03.020 watched the video. It looks like a galaxy.

01:02:06.160 Right? It's a network graph.

01:02:07.720 Of nodes and

01:02:09.260 edges, vectors and edges.

01:02:11.040 And they're kind of clustered.

01:02:13.640 But this looks fake.

01:02:14.940 This looks like it was a video just

01:02:16.960 generated for this. 0.99

01:02:18.360 like it's there's only like a couple there's a label part here right wing shit posters

01:02:24.660 then campaign targets over here like it actually doesn't really it is right so it is a network

01:02:31.900 graph right but the weird thing is there's like three nodes or i think i see four nodes in the

01:02:35.740 middle and each of those four nodes each of them have their own like 15 nodes but none of those

01:02:40.980 nodes are connected to each other or any of the other nodes it's like a one-way network graph so

01:02:45.560 it's very cool to look at but it's not really to me this is not a useful set of information like

01:02:50.720 99 of the nodes have a single connection and it's one of four accounts that he personally clicked

01:02:55.600 on so it kind of looks like it kind of looks like you have this is my enemy on twitter and these are

01:03:01.220 all of their friends like you can like that's public information yeah that's not even there's

01:03:06.960 other tools i'll let you do that model for authorship attribution it reads punctuation

01:03:11.820 habits it reads sentence rhythm syntax vocabulary i'm just trying i never paused this before

01:03:18.700 but the numbers i'm seeing don't even make a lot of sense like here's top phrases um charlie kirk

01:03:28.540 maoist landlords but the top phrase is like he used mouse landlords three times and then please

01:03:35.580 give two times. I think this was completely made up with dummy, you know, text just to fill the

01:03:44.180 space, or it created a software that just gives you a ton of useless information. Like, I'm just,

01:03:52.860 I'm looking at this now, he's trying to wow you in the same way that would try and wow you in the

01:03:57.020 80s and 90s. Technology, look, menus, menus, menus, data points, data points, data points,

01:04:01.260 ones and we don't exist in that paradigm anymore like like even ceos investors whatever like you

01:04:11.260 give them like a 70 page deck they're like this this is supposed to be confusing to me like i'm

01:04:18.860 supposed to be wow just by looking how much many numbers there are but i don't care about that

01:04:23.980 i i appreciate more the streamlined approach of like don't just give me 0.95

01:04:28.540 fucking you know categories 0.95

01:04:31.160 categories I can't 0.99

01:04:33.060 do anything with that

01:04:34.480 it's kind of like giving me visual access

01:04:37.160 to the code itself

01:04:38.400 it's like going into the AI 0.98

01:04:40.900 when it's like doing it's fucking bash requests 0.98

01:04:43.080 I'm like this 0.95

01:04:44.880 doesn't mean anything to me

01:04:46.680 right for me at this point

01:04:49.080 I've seen so many of these what I want

01:04:51.140 to see now anytime somebody sends me

01:04:53.060 one is I want to see a case study

01:04:55.140 of it working even if it's just you saying oh

01:04:57.080 this works because i've used it for this and this was the outcome and this was the effect

01:05:02.200 that that outcome had and then validate that outcome that it was actually a real outcome

01:05:06.960 and like validate it against you know either rip the code apart and explain how the code works or

01:05:11.780 if you can't validate it against another process which we know also works that got the same result

01:05:16.360 but there's i don't see any there's no case study there's no validation it's just so it is literally 0.91

01:05:21.140 numbers on a screen for all i know he wrote the fucking numbers i'm looking at the writing style 0.88

01:05:25.600 here's one heading reading grade you can really judge someone's reading level because then there's 0.98

01:05:33.280 like vocabulary richness 43.7 percent like i don't understand like how you quantify some of these

01:05:41.060 things again it could just be made up like this person's got a 7 7.5 grade reading level like what 0.50

01:05:49.220 the fuck are you talking about this is nonsense you write the same way no matter which account 0.97

01:05:56.460 you were using we find that this is usually news to people when monitoring began i i don't think 1.00

01:06:02.300 that's true by the way yeah it's not true that's just that again validation right so there's some

01:06:09.000 people who have multiple accounts and will write the same way on each account because the goal of

01:06:12.540 the account was not to pretend to be somebody else so when you know those accounts you can

01:06:16.360 match them to each other and say, look, they write the same. However, if, if these people

01:06:19.960 had another account where they're actively trying to write differently, they wouldn't show up on

01:06:25.140 your system. And so you wouldn't know that they were there. So it's survivorship bias, right?

01:06:29.640 It's survivorship bias. You are only getting the positive results. And you're saying that's 100%

01:06:34.220 of the positive results are the results. When in reality, most of these people may have other

01:06:38.840 accounts where they intentionally write different and you, and you don't know, right? Because you

01:06:42.800 can't validate you don't have a way of looking under the hood and determining what reality what

01:06:48.220 the ground truth is so sorry bud this really feels like a what if altist thing and you mentioned

01:06:54.720 before and we're referring of course to the very popular creator what if altist um alternative

01:07:01.160 history podcast and where i said citing what i thought was pretty compelling evidence that

01:07:08.500 this man is insane and shouldn't be trusted trusted or listened to and some people got

01:07:14.660 very upset that no he's he's over the target what does that mean explain to me what you think that 0.75

01:07:20.120 means so i look at this guy he's talking about a lot of people don't know this but people write 0.98

01:07:26.040 the same matter what account they're using i want to say so you're insane and autistic 0.85

01:07:34.140 i just wanted to pause here i want to take my emails from my client and compare them to my 0.99

01:07:40.600 twitter account and tell me that you can fuck you no you cannot my work emails are the same 0.99

01:07:44.700 as everybody else's work emails you can't tell any of us apart okay can i just let's pause here 1.00

01:07:49.640 flesh simulator is an insane autistic man who is a hack who rips off content and repackages it 0.90

01:07:59.720 in a very sloppy and lazy way i think people are charmed by his delivery 0.98

01:08:05.700 and he's on camera being on camera and putting minimal effort into where you're filming from

01:08:12.000 that goes a long way i appreciate that but i do have a certain level of disdain for people who are

01:08:18.780 trying to just repurpose content that's been covered for years and years and years like

01:08:25.340 go to any conspiracy theory channel

01:08:27.640 and they'll talk about this stuff but he just kind of

01:08:29.420 tweaks it and doesn't

01:08:31.520 give credit and acts like

01:08:33.640 and so this is in line

01:08:35.480 with what he would do

01:08:36.680 I invented the first software ever that can

01:08:39.340 do this it's like no you didn't

01:08:41.180 and there's I can name you three 0.99

01:08:42.980 different ways that that statement's a fucking 0.99

01:08:45.400 lie 0.99

01:08:45.860 but I'm like this should

01:08:49.400 be possible though like

01:08:50.880 it should be possible but it isn't a problem

01:08:53.240 them because this is something people say just because it sounds good to say that there's the

01:09:00.140 internet is dead dead internet theory there's bots everywhere there's no question there's bots 0.97

01:09:06.420 but are there as many bots as people think or they're just assholes i was saying this on x 0.72

01:09:12.520 the other day i said indians are cheaper than bots you can actually just hire indian people 0.99

01:09:20.280 to go out and say whatever fucking shit you want and push whatever narrative you want 0.99

01:09:24.220 right now they're they're priced under bots but those are real people they're just incredibly 1.00

01:09:30.740 stupid people and they'll they'll do what you want to do but they'll respond in a way that 0.99

01:09:35.160 doesn't make sense it's a bot would be better because bots actually read things and watch 1.00

01:09:41.180 videos to respond and indians don't but i was saying like you know i i is it the case that

01:09:47.820 there's all these fake accounts for harassment so like if it's a good thing to put out there 0.92

01:09:54.820 in the sense that when i say people will nod in agreement say yeah fucking cyber stock is a huge

01:10:00.260 problem it's got all the markers of a juicy conspiracy theory but i just don't know that

01:10:05.840 it's true no i don't think it is and if you reject the premise as i'm starting to that's not fun

01:10:14.060 you know it's you know that that's ruining the party like wouldn't it be kind of fun if this

01:10:19.080 was true but i don't know it it actually i think the only thing that is true is that there's lol

01:10:25.140 cows in a lot of ways everything that he's talking about with this when he's this and in previous

01:10:32.760 videos he's talking about cyber stalking he's talking about um the relationship that lol cows

01:10:38.460 have with the public right that's what if you go inside his head that's what he's describing

01:10:42.860 which is kind of sad yeah well now that's true because if you're in chris chan's mind or patrick

01:10:48.860 tomlinson's mind or any law cow's mind it does seem that there's a conspiracy against them i

01:10:53.520 must feel that way yeah yeah there people are randomly laser focusing on your life like he'll

01:11:00.100 if he ever listened to this he'd be like you're in on it you're friends with maoist landlord

01:11:03.620 i know you because you put your face on camera and wanted to be a celebrity

01:11:12.740 exactly we wouldn't be talking about you if you didn't post this and same thing for us like we

01:11:18.400 got in front of a mic and we wanted to put ourselves out there and so then we have some

01:11:24.080 accountability there but for guys like this and like you you you would love to have a million

01:11:29.980 views i bet yeah right you'd love to have a million views on your videos if you could

01:11:34.120 what comes with a million views is people talking about you on social media and they say a couple

01:11:40.900 things you don't like you can't just be like what what are they doing why are they doing this

01:11:45.800 why are they targeting me but that is law cow behavior being perplexed why any of this is

01:11:52.440 happening i just want to just watch a little bit more soulnet's autologger polls each actor's

01:11:58.080 account every five minutes and archives new posts it classifies them it flags them it does this

01:12:03.960 continuously 24 hours a day seven days a week 365 days a year it does not get tired

01:12:09.900 by the time a client contacts us we have often been logging for some time depending on when you

01:12:16.280 started there is a reasonable chance we already have a record each it's a strange thing to say

01:12:21.960 i remember i watched this the first time and i was thinking about that by the time you reach out to

01:12:28.020 us the organization we probably already know what's going on we've sussed out that there's

01:12:35.800 there's a conspiracy against you like how and so you're just scanning the entirety of twitter and

01:12:40.880 looking for just vaguely suspicious activity right like this is bizarre that's a bizarre

01:12:47.660 claim to make and he keeps saying it's like it runs constantly and it doesn't get tired i'm like 0.98

01:12:52.100 well yeah it's a machine it wouldn't it's not a guy i know it's not a guy i know it's fucking 0.95

01:12:57.320 software you can just have it going we all know what the fucking program is but it's like is that 0.98

01:13:04.320 your main selling point that it just it's constantly archiving posts it shouldn't have 0.92

01:13:10.180 to do that by the way you know i mean like it should be able to constantly read and then isolate

01:13:15.660 certain posts and then aggregate those but if it's just creating a permanent database of snapshots

01:13:22.420 that seems like an incredibly redundant way to do this doesn't it it's also a reason to believe that

01:13:28.380 it was designed by him because that's exactly how he would decide it it's like a must have a polaroid 0.98

01:13:33.720 archive of every single one of these posts it's like this is either so stupid that he made it 0.95

01:13:40.860 himself or it's it's it's it's so comprehensive that obviously an ai did it and so bloated 0.76

01:13:48.220 anyway you don't need to spend too long on that um i wanted to

01:13:54.580 you want to stay on the conspiracy theory i think i got a couple of things we could show

01:14:00.280 and talk about, but

01:14:01.840 I want to switch over to

01:14:04.500 Unlimited Hangout

01:14:06.140 written by our friend

01:14:08.440 Whitney Webb, who wrote

01:14:10.440 the book we covered on

01:14:12.520 Jeffrey Epstein. 1.00

01:14:13.880 One of the only women I will actually read

01:14:16.540 what she writes. 0.99

01:14:18.020 The only woman who seems 1.00

01:14:20.600 appropriately strange 0.99

01:14:22.580 for the type of things that she's writing.

01:14:24.600 Yeah. It's not put on.

01:14:26.820 She's not a quirk chungus. 1.00

01:14:28.360 but she doesn't go so far as being 1.00

01:14:31.840 like a librarian either 0.63

01:14:33.100 she's got like a librarian 0.64

01:14:34.920 essence about her

01:14:37.680 and I think that's permissible

01:14:39.720 I trust that 0.99

01:14:40.800 girls 1.00

01:14:43.020 girls treat weirdness like 1.00

01:14:45.700 fashions and memes I don't think 1.00

01:14:47.020 I think she's genuine 1.00

01:14:48.540 I think Whitney Webb is a quirk chungus 1.00

01:14:51.280 in the same way that like 1.00

01:14:53.320 weird lesbians want to pretend 0.99

01:14:55.620 they're crippled and pretend to be a cripple 1.00

01:14:57.500 like whitney webb is an actual fucking cripple like she's she's she's cripplingly weird 0.99

01:15:03.100 and other people wish that they were weird so that they could be special 0.99

01:15:07.000 weird in a girl context where her favorite show is still how i met your mother right

01:15:14.320 you know what good enough for me yep we're good from event 201 to cyber polygon the wef

01:15:26.380 World Economic Forum's simulation of a coming cyber pandemic. Last year, the World Economic

01:15:33.440 Forum teamed up with the Russian government and global banks to run a high-profile cyber

01:15:38.160 attack simulation that targeted the financial industry, an actual event that would pave

01:15:42.940 the way for a reset of the global economy. The simulation named Cyber Polygon may have

01:15:50.120 been more than a typical planning exercise and bears similarities to the WEF-sponsored

01:15:54.680 pandemic simulation event 201 that briefly preceded the COVID-19 crisis

01:16:00.580 now I hear that and I'm on board with a lot of that but I

01:16:07.000 put ourselves within that frame would the world economic reform be that careless

01:16:14.240 event 201 happening right before COVID-19 and everyone's aware of that right okay maybe they

01:16:21.820 made a mistake but to do it again you know i mean like to let's say that happened would they be so

01:16:30.060 blinded by arrogance that they would do it again what what do you think yeah i do think so i do

01:16:38.240 think so they're talking about the internet of things and this we're looking at a photo

01:16:45.460 of a talk that's very very small and it's in a tent this guy is talking towards look how weak

01:16:53.000 that graph is it's barely exponential it's almost linear what a boring graph

01:16:58.780 look at his blue suit this is a man i know this is gonna make no sense for you at home

01:17:08.740 you gotta be a certain type of man and pull off a blue suit

01:17:11.500 in a purple room a blue suit in a purple room a purple inflatable room it sounds like i'm making

01:17:21.460 that up i bet he's polish with what appeared to be random pipe organ parts and tubes behind him

01:17:31.700 oh we really need to just sink our teeth into this what is this display the thing is the thing is

01:17:40.060 other reason this is i'm like making fun of them but this is like every expo that i've ever done

01:17:44.780 it's the it's everybody's over 45 they all put their best suit on which isn't saying much

01:17:50.060 somebody hired like a college level designer to quickly put a set together and it's bad 0.62

01:17:56.020 they got the cheapest chinese like like folding signs and i know because we make those like it's

01:18:02.280 like this is not this is not impressive but somebody still wanted to take a nice press

01:18:06.500 photo of this so what can we do we need a regular pvc piping and we just need it at odd lengths and

01:18:13.400 everywhere i i want to present my black linear graph of a something nobody cares about on a 24

01:18:20.440 inch screen that you can only read if you're standing next to me they eat this up i saw this

01:18:28.100 post and i ran this by my wife and i don't know if this is real it was on 4chan so probably not

01:18:35.540 But it was a guy saying that he works in an office and there's one of his co-workers had started saying some strange things in meetings and what sounded like corporate jargon that he never heard before.

01:18:49.860 And I just remember a couple of examples was him saying, let's triangle back to that.

01:18:55.920 I saw this.

01:18:57.120 Let's put that in the ideas fridge.

01:18:58.940 and then it's revealed later

01:19:01.840 that he was making it up but it started

01:19:03.480 to carry through

01:19:05.800 the entire corporation and other people

01:19:07.840 were saying it

01:19:08.560 but very quickly me and my wife

01:19:11.900 started saying let's triangle back to that

01:19:13.960 just in our conversations

01:19:16.160 but

01:19:17.520 these people love that

01:19:18.920 these people they would love to triangle back to that graph

01:19:22.060 but it says

01:19:24.680 on Wednesday

01:19:26.200 when was this published

01:19:27.160 this was oh jesus christ this is february 2021 so you think she was right okay along with russians

01:19:38.120 spur bank and cyber security subsidiary bi zone announced that a new global cyber attack simulation

01:19:44.300 would take place in this coming july to instruct participants in developing secure ecosystems

01:19:48.600 by simulating a supply chain cyber attack similar to the recent solar winds hack that would assess

01:19:56.000 the cyber resilience of the exercises participants on the newly updated event website the simulation

01:20:02.480 called cyber polygon warns that given the digitization trends largely spurned out by

01:20:07.680 covet 19 a single vulnerable link is enough to bring down the entire system do you think that's

01:20:12.880 possible like this is this article is written of the covet 19 mindset you know this is fourth

01:20:19.280 industrial revolution uh i noticed you talk about the internet of the iot the internet of things

01:20:27.680 which you know isn't talked about as much as it was back then you know i remember klaus schwab in

01:20:34.960 his book the fourth industrial revolution which we covered on the show he was big into the internet

01:20:40.560 of pipes that we're going to just replace pipes with these new smart pipes that can direct water

01:20:46.880 flow you know and and tell you things about the water and how it's flowing and whatnot but i

01:20:56.020 remember reading that and thinking so you're going to replace all the pipes do you know hardest to 0.99

01:21:01.780 replace the pipes in a fucking house like have you like i have you seen pipes get dug up in any 0.98

01:21:08.460 city you've ever been to it takes a year to do one street just with with the construction crews 1.00

01:21:14.560 that we've got like so but like the last thing we're going to replace in society is pipes there's

01:21:21.200 pipes in europe that are from the 1700s right like you're you're touching on the reality of it

01:21:30.060 and i think we i forget if it was before the show started we were talking about the jetsons

01:21:33.380 and this idea that we imagine the future one way but then what we get is something that's

01:21:38.660 modulated by the reality that we live in and the pipes the pipes are smart in fact i think

01:21:44.480 part of the reason we don't talk about um internet of things that much anymore is because we're kind

01:21:48.480 of it's we're fish swimming in the water of iot iot is actually everywhere it's just that it didn't

01:21:53.240 have the same impact on the consumer that people expected it would it's not something that you can

01:21:57.320 kind of grasp and use it's something that large corporations and the government use against you

01:22:01.740 to you know manage inflation and shit like they're these are the this is the reason they can 0.98

01:22:07.580 jam you up on your fucking water bill is because the pipes are smart just not your pipes their 0.99

01:22:12.760 pipes are smart so but this stuff does exist like it's it's all over the fucking place 1.00

01:22:18.200 everything's smart when it's come to molesting me this is more of a sponsored by the shadow 1.00

01:22:23.640 government really all the things that don't want to molest me are dumb as shit 0.98

01:22:29.880 so i i think it's important to return to this stuff because i don't think we've suffered a 0.99

01:22:37.640 cyber attack like that the one that she's describing on the world we were preparing for

01:22:44.040 here right or what or am i misreading this what's 2021 right there have been major cyber attacks

01:22:50.280 since then but none of them have turned into a catastrophe and i wonder how big some of them

01:22:54.280 were right like we've had since then we've had major blackouts of like aws of facebook where

01:22:59.800 there have been banking blackouts we've had like what was it the uh citizens something financial

01:23:05.080 in san francisco went under a few years ago there's a number of them but the thing is is i i think and

01:23:09.840 i'm not criticizing whitney this is kind of everybody who makes financial or you know

01:23:13.320 apocalyptic predictions you're kind of shooting at a static target but the reality is that when

01:23:18.720 you're talking about things that are going to happen to these elite power structures

01:23:22.160 they have every lever to pull right so if something does start going wrong they can

01:23:27.720 shift right they can move from one lily pad to the next and in doing so they're going to roll a

01:23:33.180 bunch of us under and drown us but they their system as we view it carries on i don't know

01:23:40.600 like i i don't so i don't generally buy the idea that like oh this thing is actually more fragile

01:23:46.460 than it looks and there's going to be a chain reaction that will bring it all down i don't

01:23:49.700 think so i think it's it's not that these people are necessarily smart but they have so much power

01:23:54.520 that it kind of has its own durability like they said um during when america and germany were

01:24:02.780 innovating the nuclear bomb something like that never been done before and they were concerned

01:24:09.320 that it could cause a chain reaction of particles that would engulf the entire earth in flames like

01:24:15.840 we don't what if the reaction just doesn't stop and just ignites the atmosphere that was a real

01:24:22.920 concern and they didn't have enough information or experience to say why that wouldn't happen

01:24:27.640 and they just had to, they could say, well, the likelihood's very, very low, but it's not zero, right?

01:24:34.300 So, you know, it's, you mentioned the Jetsons before.

01:24:37.780 I wanted to return to that, and some people at home know the context was us discussing how people would say that we're living in the Jetsons,

01:24:47.320 or one day we'll live in the Jetsons, rather.

01:24:49.580 and it said aside from living in the clouds and flying cars because within the jetson story

01:24:56.040 that's because the rest of the surface of the world is polluted so they had to live in the sky

01:25:01.800 but if you didn't have to live in the sky why would you live in the sky people prefer it on

01:25:05.960 the ground but other than that you you can get a robotic made right now you can go buy one you

01:25:13.540 could buy a robotic nanny if anything the only thing that stands in our way is uh you know echoes

01:25:20.140 of class consciousness it's why most people here would listening to this would never have a nanny

01:25:25.780 or a live-in nanny or have your own serfs but also poverty like even if like for example like

01:25:32.780 even if i had the class i didn't have the class consciousness and i did want a nanny it's like

01:25:38.780 30 grand plus a subscription and i don't have 30 grand plus a subscription to do shit that i can 0.91

01:25:43.280 do myself like doing the fucking dishes right so the for the majority of people in this kind of 0.96

01:25:48.280 poverty like is the other element of the jetsons they're all like wealthy 1950s upper you know 0.95

01:25:52.980 middle class suburban families whereas that is we know that's kind of dead now so but yeah it's not 0.72

01:25:58.900 like the technology doesn't exist yeah you can get that i mean you you can there's a computer on

01:26:04.980 your watch when you can you can talk to your family in another country by looking at your

01:26:09.160 watched again that's been something 2015 we've got drones we've got robots we've got future war

01:26:15.900 tech war yeah we got all of it this is what it feels like moon base and so you know here's the

01:26:23.800 ending paragraph here says a massive cyber attack such as that simulated at cyber polygon 2020

01:26:29.400 would allow faceless hackers to be blamed for economic collapse thus absolving the real financial

01:26:35.260 criminals of responsibility and so again back to what we were saying it's like whether or not

01:26:42.460 whether or not that's even possible whether it's like why why would they cause a total

01:26:50.100 financial collapse it would have to be in a country like greece the country nobody cares

01:26:56.600 about right now are you talking about america like the banks would just collapse the economy

01:27:01.760 it's like i guess i don't know i don't know what the motivation for that would be

01:27:06.400 i don't know why they would make all their money go away and like i don't know why you would need

01:27:11.360 to blame cyber hackers like i don't think people would even buy that narrative we could blame

01:27:16.640 a rogue group of hackers like it's not 2005. people anonymous anonymous ruined that we know

01:27:25.520 there's actually there's no cool hackers out there we used to that used to be a fantasy of ours that

01:27:31.440 there's this like punk rock badass goth hackers out there and they're the ones the real part

01:27:37.920 they don't exist there was baphomet on the hn board and what do they do they just wanted to 1.00

01:27:44.880 dox people and ruin their lives you've got anonymous who are just shit lit faggots and 1.00

01:27:49.920 then there's sort of like lone hackers that kind of they do stuff here and there but 1.00

01:27:55.680 the system's too robust now i don't think you can hack like you could use to there's no cool

01:27:59.840 collectives you know what though i think i was reading it wrong because she's not saying it's

01:28:03.900 that type of hacker she's saying iran or north korea so like hacking as a as a weapon of like

01:28:11.200 fifth generational warfare or something right so it's like oh it was the hackers what we mean is

01:28:15.880 it was like the iranian military that's what i'm saying i'm just saying no one would buy the story

01:28:19.940 that was hackers right like no one's scared of hackers like to say like the government did it

01:28:25.280 and then it was we're going to blame the hackers for no one you mean yeah nobody would buy it was

01:28:30.520 like oh it was anonymous or it was like this weird edge group yeah yeah no it would have to be a like

01:28:34.780 a near peer power otherwise nobody would believe that it was happening but the other thing is i

01:28:39.160 didn't even clue into this i'm not i guess i'm not paying attention but she's not saying that

01:28:43.480 the system would genuinely collapse due to real fragility she's saying that the system collapsing

01:28:48.920 under its own fragility as a result of a hack is the cover story for them intentionally nuking

01:28:55.020 their own system as a way of cleaning the ledger like the planes hitting the pentagon accounting

01:29:01.620 wing essentially do you think that's plausible they've been talking about that i don't think

01:29:07.280 it's i i don't know if it's plausible but i can i can like i would it wouldn't shock me if it

01:29:11.860 happened you know what i mean like it's kind of it is kind of plausible i think i'm trying to think

01:29:16.560 of let's say it's america would they need to effectively nuke the system and clear the ledger

01:29:25.000 like what what would the world look like if it did that would they just be relinquishing power

01:29:31.700 you know like they would need to clear everyone's ledger at the same time like it would need to be

01:29:36.500 a global cyber attack that destroyed all financial hegemony like it would be

01:29:43.300 such chaos think about the state of the trade deficit with the u.s right like the u.s has been

01:29:49.800 has been printing money and giving it to other people and then especially with trump lately has 0.98

01:29:54.600 been saying fuck you we will not let you use the money to buy anything so the dollars aren't worth 0.99

01:29:58.920 anything anymore and then the very next move beyond that would probably be something like 0.99

01:30:02.740 actually we're erasing the ledger so nobody has the fucking dollars dollars don't exist we have 0.78

01:30:07.120 new bucks now we're only i have the new bucks like that would be the the final great rug pull 0.90

01:30:13.000 and it would probably result in a global war which is the main reason i don't think it would happen

01:30:16.840 but it i mean it's plausible that somebody would try it or that they would at least consider doing

01:30:22.060 it but back in 2021 we thought it was more realistic that they would be more secretive

01:30:27.440 about that but from where we're standing now it is more likely that trump would say

01:30:31.480 i'm just gonna get rid of it i'm gonna clear the ledger no more dollars actually i can imagine 1.00

01:30:37.680 him look that wouldn't even surprise me if he said like he says the most the fucking dumbest 0.99

01:30:42.220 things imaginable he has he has got to be by a huge margin i don't i'm not saying he's stupid 1.00

01:30:48.540 like he's an actually stupid person but the things that he says publicly like there's no filter he's 1.00

01:30:54.840 got to be one of the dumbest fucking presidents the dumbest president ever just the most insane 1.00

01:31:00.100 things come out of this fucking faggot's mouth man it is like it is like a bull in a china shop 1.00

01:31:04.900 where eventually something has to happen everyone says okay bull in china shop what's going to 1.00

01:31:11.700 happen he's gonna smash all the plates and then what you're in an undiscovered country

01:31:17.100 insurance company to the cop show what what is act two of that you don't know it's interesting

01:31:23.080 it's exciting yeah i love my president he destroyed everything he everybody hates him

01:31:27.080 he wrecked everything and he doesn't care he's like yeah like you right that's that's why your 0.83

01:31:30.680 life like what that's why you're so fucking successful is because nobody likes you and 0.68

01:31:34.200 you like nobody that's that's a way to that's a great way to live now he's bored to go through 0.94

01:31:37.820 the wall does he go through the window out the front does he go in the back office it's his

01:31:41.720 store now he sits at the table yeah he's never he never thought this far ahead he never got that

01:31:47.160 far we're gonna skip to act three where the bull is sliced up in a bowl of foaming

01:31:51.320 this is in china this is well i mean that's vietnam but still i don't know this is it's

01:31:59.840 it's all i don't know where i don't know where bulls are native to

01:32:02.700 i don't know where they're worshipped i don't know where they're shot

01:32:07.520 america's got bulls figured out bulls are exactly where they need to be at all times

01:32:16.880 you've never heard of a bull in china shop in texas that that's that's never happened it

01:32:23.840 would never occur to anyone that i don't think they have china shops in texas though that fair

01:32:27.680 they eat on plastic plates there this is true and they don't sell fine china in the american south

01:32:33.240 yeah they use plastic and paper but the idea of a bull running amok preposterous you know their

01:32:40.700 place anyway i don't know if the big cyber attacks coming i i think this is a bum hunch

01:32:48.840 it could still it could or they could do something else i mean if you use the general pattern and say

01:32:53.840 some kind of false flag that allows them to reset the financial system because maybe it's not a

01:32:59.680 cyber attack maybe it's who knows could be aliens we've been told that the world is on the brink of

01:33:05.500 destruction for so long that we just want it to happen please please that's that's why we're so

01:33:12.060 frustrated with sam altman of open ai talking about we got a rope we got to pause development 0.87

01:33:19.340 of all this ai because we've made too many rogue agents we're like just fucking let it loose i 0.88

01:33:24.500 don't care man yeah but man i don't want to see his apocalypse though it's like going to be some 0.99

01:33:27.940 twisted gay shit like sam altman's apocalypse is not like no sam holand's apocalypse is rupaul's 0.99

01:33:36.120 drag race i just i want a regular mean potatoes apocalypse 1.00

01:33:43.160 fucking 21st century apocalypse sucks i'm thinking of oh so the sorry the segue is that ann hathaway 0.98

01:33:52.820 hr clip is from rupaul's drag race so in a sense we are living because we're living in in jewish 0.99

01:34:00.380 woman day car hr hr hell we are actually living in the rupaul's drag race apocalypse this is it 0.52

01:34:06.700 this is actually sam altman's dream we're in it right now oh you nailed it oh sweet man-made

01:34:12.840 horrors that i didn't know i was already comprehending

01:34:15.220 so we gotta get through this one i read this book and i was compelled to read it because it

01:34:28.200 was recommended to me by a very trustworthy person and when we were covering the last book

01:34:34.980 which was the history of accounting in europe specifically double entry accounting there was

01:34:42.160 quite a bit of mention of the dutch and the west indian trading company and the east indian trading

01:34:49.660 company and the financial innovations around the dutch empire and so i had this book called global

01:34:57.940 calvinism and the subheading is conversion and commerce in the dutch empire 1600 to 1800

01:35:05.380 and i just thought it's a good companion piece to the last book that we read and

01:35:13.200 i started into it with a thesis that i thought i thought it was going to go down this road

01:35:20.540 the claim is that everything is downstream from economics i'm not sure that's the case

01:35:27.440 i think it's i don't i reject the downstream model of how this works if there's one thing

01:35:34.840 the top that everything is subservient to but i was getting it into my head that there was a

01:35:43.240 an ongoing synthesis between developments in economics and very fundamental innovations you

01:35:51.560 know what happened prior to double entry accounting what happened prior to accounting

01:35:58.520 as such what happened prior to currency as we know it's this long chain of development but

01:36:08.280 i was thinking that okay there's an interrelationship between these things and that

01:36:11.720 maybe as our financial acumen improved so changed the religion i don't think that's the case and

01:36:22.120 that's not the case made in this book so i was just trying to test that but the argument made

01:36:28.520 was that Dutch Calvinism was sort of partnered with the economic trade empire of the Dutch.

01:36:37.120 And it was using that expanding trade empire and all its outposts and all its colonies

01:36:44.340 to inject these societies with Calvinism.

01:36:48.660 However, Calvinism was a very distinct denomination of Christianity.

01:36:53.280 And John Calvin wrote what is perhaps the first work of systematic theology in the

01:37:00.480 Reformation, his Institutes of the Christian Religion.

01:37:03.680 It's very important that you know this book because this is where he writes about all

01:37:08.720 of his doctrines and comes up with this system, not just these are some things about my theology,

01:37:14.720 but here is an entire theological system, kind of like building a house or something

01:37:19.740 like that.

01:37:20.740 to start uh you know start from the bottom i guess kind of the drake of the reformation or

01:37:25.780 something like that and it's really founded upon logic okay now calvin there are some things about

01:37:33.780 calvin's theology that are not very palatable but you can't really argue with his logic john calvin

01:37:41.460 had been a lawyer so what he really does is he takes scripture and he takes cold hard logic and

01:37:47.460 really puts them together and it just seemed to fuse well with commerce it seemed to fuse well

01:37:55.140 with the idea that you should not be ashamed of your wealth wealth is great and so are good works

01:38:02.020 in the world and running a business and things like that it seemed very amenable to economic

01:38:08.340 concerns whereas more traditional denominations of christianity would reject all of that

01:38:15.140 so anyway so far i wanted to put it to you do you know anything about calvinism do you know

01:38:21.540 anything about the dutch you know anything about what i'm saying i think i know i vaguely know

01:38:26.260 about the dutch east india company and their economy in the renaissance i know very little

01:38:32.020 about calvinism aside from memes i'm a low church heathen so yeah and the claim has been made in

01:38:40.100 other books and the dutch are often overlooked in the history of capitalism a lot of people will

01:38:48.180 say the jews are responsible for every single dimension of economics and i reject that i don't

01:38:55.720 believe that to be true of course they are overrepresented and in fact i was reading this and it

01:39:02.300 was the history of i believe the west india company and uh i looked at one point it was

01:39:10.140 listing the leadership because i'm like oh these are all dutch people and at one point the the

01:39:16.180 president was named cohen i thought oh no even here the jews are the top but then i compared it to

01:39:25.060 other large corporations at the time and it was rare and it you'll see a lot of names mentioned

01:39:31.920 in this book yes for people who are curious at the outset let's just say the jews are present here

01:39:41.440 okay but there's also a lot of non-jewish dutch people who are in charge of this like i don't

01:39:46.800 think you can allow jews to lay claim to the right the dutch economic empire you can still criticize

01:39:55.520 the jews but you can't let the dutch off the hook yeah basically i was getting into this 0.93

01:40:01.120 argument this guy i never particularly found very interesting because it was fisted by foucault

01:40:10.960 and he's croatian i believe he's a croatian nationalist and uh he was talking about just

01:40:19.280 long story short he was saying the only enemy of europe is the anglo right and so i'm like look i

01:40:27.280 would have preferred it was jews honestly because like i see where you're going you're trying to

01:40:32.000 swap out jews for anglos and say the anglos and the anglosphere u.s canada australia you the

01:40:41.280 existential enemies of all of europe and i said well this is just an unserious historical point 0.82

01:40:50.160 because i can make the argument that the dutch were guilty of everything you're probably going

01:40:55.920 to accuse the angles of doing of their maritime empire and their expansion and their subjugation

01:41:03.900 of peoples and uh also with russia russia has a long history of imperialism all throughout the

01:41:10.500 continent oh by the way that france was acting up by the way there's this little country called

01:41:17.880 germany look look hey okay let's just say it there's no bad guy of europe if there's a bad 0.99

01:41:27.800 guy europe is the fucking jews if you want to like just just let it be the jews because other 0.99

01:41:33.100 than that you can you can chase this all the way back to antiquity if you wanted to and and you 0.99

01:41:38.980 could find pretty good examples but just to start this off it says at the very end of the 16th

01:41:44.720 century, Dutch merchants embarked on a commercial enterprise to Asia that transformed an unlikely

01:41:50.420 confederation of towns and provinces into a cosmopolitan center of finance and international

01:41:57.260 trade for over 100 years. After several tragic missteps in the effort to find the mythic Arctic

01:42:02.900 route, an expedition led by Cornelius de Hootman in April of 1595, the fruits of this global

01:42:11.400 odyssey were on display in the markets shops and neighborhoods of dutch cities and towns no european

01:42:16.280 city epitomized this global cosmopolitan ethos in 17th century more than amsterdam

01:42:23.880 the dutch empire became like a hub of cosmopolitan intellectualism and you know relics from around

01:42:33.080 the world everything that they would accuse new york or london of being um and his claim

01:42:41.720 i would say his central claim is that the missionary project of the calvinists merged with

01:42:48.760 the empire building and mercantile capitalism sometimes reluctantly but often willingly like

01:42:56.200 Like they were willing partners in this and that historians have traditionally treated Protestantism and the European expansion as unrelated developments, which was kind of what Max Weber was talking about.

01:43:11.980 He talked about Calvinists because he said religion shaped economic behavior.

01:43:17.560 and so this book was taking the opposite approach not even the opposite approach because it's not

01:43:23.340 saying anything is downstream from the other but you're just saying that these things emerge from

01:43:28.920 the same people they're they're like two expressions of of a dutchness um and so like ministers

01:43:40.240 calvinist ministers would read uh the commercial success as providential you know it's solemn

01:43:47.240 providence that we are succeeding in trade but and they expected they could use this providence

01:43:55.600 this economic providence that's showing us that we're doing the right thing that preaching the 0.99

01:44:01.220 true christianity and converting all the muslims and all the jews would trigger the second coming 0.97

01:44:06.900 of christ that's what they believed and so they were using economics as evidence that god was on 0.65

01:44:14.040 their side, which, you know, maybe the Catholics, maybe Eastern Orthodox adherence, that would

01:44:21.500 sound strange.

01:44:22.740 You know, I don't think that's like a Protestant thing, but I think Calvinism is kind of unique

01:44:29.440 in that respect.

01:44:31.000 And ultimately, I think as I got underway, what I hoped to show was that Calvinism, which

01:44:37.900 is so long regarded in Barbarian terms as the essence of a Western mentality, the driver

01:44:46.440 of modernity, and in the early modern period, aloof from the world, actually belongs to

01:44:53.660 the nitty-gritty, grimy messiness of early modern world history. Calvinists were committed

01:45:00.240 to converting non-European peoples and advancing the morals and messages of reformed Protestant

01:45:07.640 around the world. The efforts of Dutch Calvinist Prada Kanton represent the earliest and the most

01:45:15.900 sustained Protestant missionary effort outside of Europe. And he was making an argument here,

01:45:23.040 and I remember when we were talking about the rise of double-entry bookkeeping, there was the

01:45:30.180 the change in social consciousness of like personal accountability that like accounting

01:45:37.880 as an idea became more widespread and changed how we talked to each other and viewed each other and

01:45:43.740 so like the idea like calvinism was like a moral audit of households um while double entry

01:45:52.340 bookkeeping was like a moral discipline and an audit for merchants both were technologies for

01:45:57.980 ordering people and property uh they worked together at the same time in the colonies like

01:46:04.140 to stabilize settlements of all these rough settlers these unattached man unmarried men 0.90

01:46:11.660 the administrators of the colleagues encouraged marriage to local women which required the wives 0.68

01:46:16.700 to convert and the ministers and the elders put great effort into policing sexuality to keeping

01:46:22.700 families intact and he talks about this later in the book we're talking about he goes into detail

01:46:27.580 about how they had to navigate like so like sexual norms it's like okay you can't just sleep with the

01:46:36.200 local women you got to marry them and then you got to convert them and if you have a child at a 0.61

01:46:41.460 wedlock like you're you're literally not allowed to keep it right so they're they're trying to guide 0.98

01:46:46.520 them towards marriage but even then they were like in their diaries their complaints like these women 0.95

01:46:51.920 they convert they don't seem to get it like they go to church but they don't they just don't have 0.97

01:46:57.640 an understanding of it like we do they're kind of just going because their husbands make them go

01:47:01.860 so like they were encountering and being very specific about the problems they're encountering

01:47:08.180 and act like they ended up giving up um as as many christian missionaries did because they saw

01:47:15.260 that even the ones they converted they they couldn't come on they were thinking that if

01:47:21.220 we convert these people to calvinism we can bring them into the dutch world a dutch way of thinking

01:47:28.920 we'll teach the language we'll teach them the religion right some people would call that 0.99

01:47:32.620 liberalism they would call it something else we just categorize it as that now but even back then

01:47:37.860 they were they were very straightforward by saying like if this isn't working even when we succeed

01:47:44.600 it's not working the only way this is going to work is if we like interbreed with them which is

01:47:50.340 what the french would do as well and the spanish too but like that was there was no way to like

01:47:55.300 teach them and and bring them into the spirituality and do it uh it says this unusual empire that

01:48:03.380 captured the attention of contemporaries and historians grew up three events that converged

01:48:09.020 at the end of the 16th century the pivotal uh and political revolt against spain the religious

01:48:16.460 reformation against catholicism and the commercial launch of a maritime empire from the 1560s to the

01:48:23.260 1620s religious reformation and war for independence from spain became embroiled in a global commercial

01:48:30.300 rivalry with all european maritime powers but chiefly with portugal the society that emerged

01:48:36.940 by the early 17th century in the northern seven provinces was a decentralized republic

01:48:42.460 led by the commercially driven counties of holland and zealand and ordered by a strident brand of

01:48:48.140 reformed protestantism thus the particular articulations of commerce and religion in

01:48:54.700 in the netherlands forged by war with spain and portugal shaped the global reach of the

01:48:59.580 dutch republic and its calvinist churches um he says even though most dutch people were not

01:49:07.500 protestant let alone calvinist almost all despised the overbearing reprisals of habsburg authorities

01:49:15.180 the combination of religious conviction among a few fervent individuals and a feeling of match

01:49:20.940 national insult against the larger populace swelled a powerful type of anti-spanish feeling

01:49:26.140 throughout the netherlands active resistance originated from an alliance of dutch nobles

01:49:31.260 called the beggars led by william of orange and supported by zealous calvinists after six years

01:49:36.700 of trouble including widespread iconoclastism spanish occupation and hard military tribunals

01:49:45.820 the beggars achieved victory in 1572 dutch forays and habsburg counter-attacks in the

01:49:51.660 1570s eventually mired in the low countries um and this the struggle for political independence

01:49:59.500 lasted until the end of the 30 years war in 1648 so that's shown sort of the

01:50:06.460 religious development and the independence movement developing side by side

01:50:14.380 and that's how like the calvinists arguably through elite capture ended up coming to

01:50:22.140 dominate the religion of the netherlands of the dutch people um or at least be like the official

01:50:30.860 religion um and there's two companies there's the wic and the voc so these are like the two

01:50:41.180 the west indian company and the voc uh which is a a different the name escapes right now but the

01:50:49.020 the name is basically summarized as the VOC.

01:50:56.240 One handled the

01:50:57.720 New World in North America

01:50:59.860 and one handled Asia. So they just had

01:51:01.940 these two corporations,

01:51:03.840 trading companies going off in opposite directions.

01:51:06.120 VOC was the East India company.

01:51:07.800 It's just in Dutch. The acronym is

01:51:09.880 yeah, it's like

01:51:10.440 Virinig Oston Dish Compagne 0.94

01:51:13.900 or some shit. 0.97

01:51:15.260 And so they just went in opposite directions 0.99

01:51:17.660 at different approaches yeah they had a more difficult time in North America but

01:51:23.780 he said as the VOC and the WIC were planting outposts in Asia and the

01:51:30.660 Atlantic a rigid brand of Calvinism came to occupy a central place in the Dutch

01:51:35.120 Republic by 1620 because of the revolt the reformed faith had risen to a

01:51:39.980 privileged position in the new republic as I was just explaining operating with

01:51:45.540 the confessional lineage of reformed

01:51:47.340 prostitutism, Dutch ecclesiastical

01:51:49.300 organization bore the closest similarities

01:51:51.580 to the churches in Geneva

01:51:53.260 and throughout France.

01:51:55.360 Consistory, composed of 1.00

01:51:57.240 pridicanton 0.78

01:52:00.560 and

01:52:01.440 elected lay elders, governed

01:52:03.300 church affairs and upheld the disciplinary standards.

01:52:06.920 Classes

01:52:07.480 within a larger area made of provincial

01:52:09.180 synods, one for each province except

01:52:11.380 for Holland, etc.

01:52:13.240 By the 1620s, the general

01:52:15.240 landscape of commerce empire and mission in asia started to come into focus under the early

01:52:20.760 governor generals the voc planted itself at central points of production in the malukan islands

01:52:27.000 negotiated monopolistic contracts with local rulers and some headquarters at the strategic

01:52:33.000 point of access at jakarta empires served the needs of commerce as the dutch asserted their

01:52:38.280 right to trade wherever they might and to enforce contracts unfailingly the goal is to make the

01:52:44.760 the voc the principal link in an intra-asian commercial network early governors were calvinist

01:52:51.720 and saw conversion in strategic areas namely of catholics as conducive to empire building

01:52:58.200 company officials and church leaders saw the hand of providence in their enterprises and that's what

01:53:03.600 you're saying at the start that the expansion of the commercial empire saw conversion of the

01:53:11.780 locals as essential to the empire existing it wasn't that you can just have a presence there

01:53:17.620 as a commercial outpost you needed to be changing the people in a way that fit their religious

01:53:23.840 convictions it didn't look at it genetically they just said okay we'll we'll preach our gospel and

01:53:29.580 then you know like it didn't make sense to not do that you know and they're just so convinced that

01:53:37.080 it would be popular um it says despite the growth of schools the translation of materials and the

01:53:43.400 appearance of converts calvinists both overseas and in the netherlands realized by mid-century

01:53:49.240 that missions was were proving more complicated than they expected the optimism of large-scale

01:53:54.920 conversions of quote heathens moors and jews gave way to frustration with the indifference of most

01:54:02.040 native peoples and the equivocation of many converts as a result Calvinist

01:54:07.320 began to take an academic approach to missionary strategy and gained the

01:54:11.220 theological support of Dutch universities so that was an interesting

01:54:15.300 transition you talk about the book where it's like we're just going to

01:54:18.140 approach this spiritually that didn't work so he said well maybe we got to do

01:54:22.860 it academically we've got to build up schools and we've got to teach we've

01:54:26.020 got to educate these people to teach them with the religion and they're

01:54:29.980 kind of getting closer and closer to like fundamentally changing these people like you

01:54:36.220 need to build a base for them to even apprehend any of your ideas but this is you know one of

01:54:45.480 the first times they tried doing something like this at scale um yeah this is what i was talking

01:54:53.440 about earlier i just found this interesting about um all the problems they were dealing with with

01:54:59.300 a lot of the colonists there he said both company officials and calvinist ministers encountered

01:55:03.700 new social problems in voc and wic held territories large-scale enslavement and widespread poverty

01:55:12.240 featuring manumitted slaves orphans and abandoned women pose unfamiliar challenges in multi-ethnic

01:55:18.360 pluralistic colonial environments to manage potential disorder political and ecclesiastical

01:55:24.220 officials worked together, sometimes grudgingly, to translate Dutch traditions across the empire.

01:55:30.120 Crossing into foreign cultures and trying to produce Christians in societies with little or

01:55:36.400 no exposure to Christianity consistently vexed overseas ministers. Dutch clergy possessed no

01:55:43.680 collective experience to help them navigate the cultural waters of many regions. Calvinists in 0.97

01:55:50.080 Formosa, for example, contended with powerful female priests, known as enebs, who called down 1.00

01:55:57.140 divine favor by consuming large amounts of alcohol, climbing on raised structures, stripping 0.99

01:56:03.300 naked, and vomiting on their followers. In such unfamiliar cultural context, what did it mean to

01:56:10.200 be a Protestant Christian? Trying to add a moral, spiritual justification, and I don't think it was

01:56:19.020 as synthesized as i would have liked but because i don't see them as separate things i see both

01:56:24.380 this commercial empire and dutch calvinism as emerging from the dutch people because i don't

01:56:30.940 think you can blame the commercial empire on whatever jewish mercantile interests were there

01:56:37.100 at the time without blaming calvinism on the jews which some people would like to do i just don't

01:56:42.620 think that's the case i think it was a distinct form of christianity certainly but it's interesting

01:56:50.060 in the sense that so much of christianity including the catholic church has followed

01:56:59.420 in step with that it's attempted to modernize it's attempted to account for the materialism

01:57:07.820 in the societies that it could not really suppress right or it doesn't have an answer for

01:57:14.540 and people will say that all the time like christians you know they seem to have no problem

01:57:20.300 with wealth you know that battle's been lost you know you don't really hear debate about that

01:57:26.060 anymore like you're not seen as more pious unless you're a franciscan but even franciscans are seen

01:57:32.700 as eccentrics right you're leaving like the lifestyle of a monk of living in a monastery 0.89

01:57:40.300 like that's so far removed from people's real life they don't even give a shit about that anymore it's

01:57:45.340 not part of the conversation so that you're more likely to find calvinist thinking like oh oh divine

01:57:53.660 solemn providence smiles upon us because good things are happening materially here

01:57:58.460 i don't know like then it just seems like did the calvinism fail in its expansion or is that just

01:58:07.140 the normalization of of this sort of european mindset and also understand the limitations

01:58:16.300 of missionary work like it seems like there's only the catholics are still trying in the

01:58:22.960 westboro baptist church of course but i don't know like people go on missions but whenever i hear

01:58:29.180 missions brought up it's like even in mormonism it's more for character building of the missionaries

01:58:38.360 you know it's like when you go volunteer for disaster relief in some jungle pick a pick a

01:58:47.340 south american country i'm gonna go there and help people will criticize those people because

01:58:51.660 you're just there for yourself it's like yeah i think so right because i don't i don't think

01:58:58.120 anyone thinks they're really going to make a difference i i can't say that the missionaries

01:59:03.440 even though they're naive like you got to know that this isn't going to work we've tried this 0.74

01:59:09.000 for centuries it doesn't fucking work but we're still doing it because this is actually more about 0.84

01:59:13.100 you than it is about them this is still sort of empire thinking but you know i i don't necessarily 0.64

01:59:19.740 think that's a bad thing what do you think does anything i'm saying makes sense no i agree i agree

01:59:24.480 yeah i just i i think i think they gave up and then the the empire fell just due to competition

01:59:33.340 from britain um the ebb and flow of trade and you know markets and and just the typical things like

01:59:43.520 that and then you know the britain rose to prominence and then that receded as well economically

01:59:50.560 in in favor of america and so that's really the story there but i do think the dutch stand alone

01:59:58.320 and they stand apart as an economic trade force in world history and spoken of at the same level

02:00:07.200 as britain and probably you know it's different with america but pretty much the same thing you

02:00:15.040 know anyway they they they love they love their spices look look what all that trouble the spices

02:00:24.680 got us into i mean i always kind of viewed them that way i never knew that much about them but

02:00:30.640 looking at the impact of specifically in asia the impact of the dutch and then the impact of the

02:00:35.900 english it's like the english had a little more staying power because a lot of what they did

02:00:39.040 was more focused on like organizational and education and institutional and then the dutch

02:00:44.580 it was like this is really an economic play and we're going to try to keep all of this

02:00:50.600 chooching along by converting you but even the conversion is kind of like like you said it's

02:00:56.160 like you know we're we're blessed here because of our material blessings like the conversion

02:01:00.460 to calvinism is almost a practical thing to keep the economic engine moving so yeah it's to give

02:01:05.780 give another dimension to like why we're doing this or why this matters so we're not just

02:01:12.920 enslaving people and even though we are here's how it ends he says ultimately calvinist community

02:01:17.700 formation could not compete effectively with the structures of belonging and protection already in

02:01:23.340 place in many locations in the west indies south asia and brazil while calvinists hoped to save

02:01:30.180 souls spiritual well-being was inexorable to the embeddedness in a local association of families

02:01:36.980 friends and supporters as the missionary casper wilton's explained in 16 exclaimed in 1615

02:01:44.980 malukins did not conceive of religion as quote a thing that is as beliefs separate from the

02:01:51.380 pragmatic necessities of everyday existence calvinists also recognized the pragmatism of

02:01:57.220 true religion as they tried to avoid divine wrath as they pointed out to peoples that prosperous

02:02:02.740 harvests followed from their conversions and as they thanked god for victories over their enemies

02:02:08.260 yet missionaries failed to recognize or remedy the fact that they were appealing to people to adopt

02:02:13.780 foreign beliefs that would uproot them from family social networks and political allegiances

02:02:19.620 yeah so yeah they were still trying to still say like god will grant you prosperity if you convert 0.66

02:02:30.420 but you know it's despite that despite promising materialism or even paganistic boons you know 0.89

02:02:39.780 during battle they they couldn't you couldn't have this organized religion replace their

02:02:46.980 kin belief network yeah the only way you could do that is if you completely deracinate and uproot

02:02:52.980 them but then they're asking well why are we even doing this then they hit that wall eventually like

02:02:57.540 wait why why is this worth it what are we doing here why are we trying to if this isn't an easy

02:03:03.860 sell why the are we doing it like even the people who hear the word of god are doing it wrong

02:03:11.540 so that would be a real crisis of faith

02:03:14.860 wouldn't it

02:03:15.500 but yeah anyway so we can end on

02:03:18.820 that any closing

02:03:20.820 thoughts

02:03:21.480 hell yeah

02:03:23.920 alright so next up

02:03:26.760 we're going to have an interview with

02:03:28.500 Alexandre Cormier-Denis

02:03:30.200 who spoke at the Dominion Society

02:03:33.200 DomCon

02:03:34.320 2026 we had a great

02:03:36.720 talk about Quebec nationalism

02:03:38.140 and everyone go

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02:03:49.900 tickets on eventbrite you can find it in the show notes of this episode or find me on x at legally

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02:04:04.280 buy the ticket now get down to dallas come see myself and the prudentialist and we'll have a

02:04:11.520 great time all right so thanks i'll talk to you later yeah dude i'll see you thanks

02:04:16.940 all right to start i'm here with and i'm gonna try as hard as i can to pronounce this correctly

02:04:39.220 because this is a guest that deserves alexandre comier denny would that be close that's perfect

02:04:45.300 thanks for having me it's a pleasure to be here thank you so much we met previously uh we both

02:04:51.720 attended the dominion society domcon 26 where i saw your speech live and we got to chat a little

02:04:59.460 bit while we were there and admittedly i didn't know too much about you before and even though

02:05:06.040 i tell everyone i've been trying to broker more relationships and get more involved with what's

02:05:11.620 going on in Quebec and I just didn't do a very good job because you're one of the biggest names

02:05:17.300 out there and then I was deeply and profoundly impressed by the speech that he gave and that's

02:05:24.960 you know we played a clip from it on our episode before and uh you know every speech there was

02:05:30.700 phenomenal but yeah at yours you're stood out I just wanted to start by saying this that um I had

02:05:36.840 an appreciation of your speech because uh you know we had a few people there from outside of

02:05:42.960 canada and uh but a lot of them were anglos and anglo-centric and very you know aligned with um

02:05:50.440 sort of a lower canada canadian history and uh i want to say that there's a dozen speeches you

02:05:59.220 could have given as a quebec nationalist and they would have been fine but there you read the room

02:06:06.580 in a way that I was surprised by.

02:06:08.660 And you got up there and you gave a speech 0.98

02:06:10.960 about the eternal Anglo to uproarious applause. 0.99

02:06:14.640 And you didn't need to. 0.66

02:06:15.720 And I just saw that and I said, this guy's a pro.

02:06:18.800 Because, you know, you could have done something

02:06:21.180 about Quebec nationalism, but like you spoke to the crowd.

02:06:24.640 And that's rare.

02:06:26.040 I just wanted to commend you for that.

02:06:27.300 Maybe you haven't heard that before specifically,

02:06:31.200 but I thought that was really good what you did.

02:06:33.840 Well, thank you.

02:06:34.480 Thank you.

02:06:34.780 uh to be honest with you i i thought a lot about this speech because uh it was my first time i made

02:06:41.340 a speech in english so it's a you know it's a challenge first of all and secondly well i you

02:06:47.340 know i didn't want to ruin the show you know i'm i'm being invited by this let's say english canadian

02:06:55.020 movement anglo-canadian movement uh who has been really generous to me and uh you know i i debated

02:07:03.180 myself if i was going to to go there because on the uh quebec nationalist scene to you know to go

02:07:09.660 on an anglo-canadian nationalist event well it means something you know uh there the the the

02:07:18.700 traditionally let's say the problem that we have the the whole two solitude uh let's say problem

02:07:26.540 that we have in canada and the whole nationalist movement in in quebec is is not really um not

02:07:34.300 turned on resentment through immigration from the third world it has been a resentment against

02:07:41.500 british north america and the anglo-canadians and the you know the constitution of 1982 and

02:07:47.100 the conquest and you know all those things so it's it's there's a lot of weight let's say to

02:07:52.700 to do this move but at the same time you know uh i believe that it was it was due we we got

02:07:58.540 to talk to one another we got to pass true resentment and i know that there's a lot of

02:08:02.860 resentment towards quebec in anglo canada and i can understand that you know i i made a intellect

02:08:10.620 i made an intellectual how can you say this uh an intellectual uh voyage an intellectual road

02:08:19.420 to understand what was the resentment against quebec into english canada and i can understand

02:08:26.700 why there is some resentment and at the same time i know why there's resentment towards anglo canada

02:08:34.060 in quebec but uh you know i wanted to make a speech that basically yeah gather the two solitudes

02:08:43.260 because we face the same threat and the threat is basically being replaced in our own country you

02:08:49.900 know i believe uh i believe that anglo-canadians have the right to be majority where in english

02:08:57.580 canada basically in your in their homeland and i believe that french canadian ever have a right

02:09:04.460 uh to be a moral right even to be majority in quebec so and you know i've been doing this uh

02:09:11.420 what i call the national i'm on the what i call the the um national right uh quebec nationalism

02:09:22.140 side for 10 years from now i founded namastevi 10 years ago and i always wondered how come there is

02:09:28.940 no strong anglo-canadian reaction to mass migration to the great replacement and now there is a

02:09:36.940 reaction there is this dominion society you know even uh you know the the popular party of canada

02:09:43.160 is led by a by a french canadian maxim bernier which is of course a marginal party and probably

02:09:49.020 is going nowhere but still it was still quebec guy who led this uh and i was wondering you know

02:09:55.160 how come there's no reaction in english canada and and it struck me even more because there was

02:10:02.800 i mean ontario received two times more per capita immigrants than quebec and i i and we feel that

02:10:10.720 we're being drowned by mass immigration so when i saw the the the rise let's say of dominion society

02:10:18.880 and that and the fact that daniel tyree approached me to make a speech i was like okay

02:10:25.360 what am i going to okay i'll accept it i'll go there i'll talk what can i say well i said to

02:10:32.240 myself i need to wake those guys up you got to wake up because we can talk about immigration

02:10:37.760 in quebec and the political scene of quebec you know the the provincial scene if you like

02:10:42.880 immigration is a is a hot topic you know every party has a stance towards it and it goes from

02:10:49.040 you know um i think you we can say that in english a moratory like you stop immigration

02:10:54.000 that's the position of a party quebecois and there's the far left so this is the you know the

02:10:59.280 the center left party wants to stop immigration and the extreme left party and the what i call

02:11:08.100 the gdp right the right that is uh basically close to the uh to the uh to the businesses

02:11:13.360 well they want almost an open border policy so you got this large spectrum of opinion on

02:11:21.000 immigration and i feel that in english canada it's not even a subject yet it may change a little bit

02:11:28.460 And I've seen that even the Conservative Party with Poilievre is getting more and more engaged with that problem.

02:11:36.560 But it's new in English Canada.

02:11:39.060 As in Quebec, well, it's part of the discussion for a few years now, a few decades, I might say, also.

02:11:48.020 So, yes, when I was invited, I decided to go because there's people, good-willing people.

02:11:55.960 And also the version of Canadian nationalism that promotes the Dominion Society is the most appealing kind of Canadian nationalism for French-Canadian.

02:12:10.640 Because basically it says, well, there's two founding people and we got to work things out together and we got to fight together to keep the country.

02:12:18.820 So that's the more appealing form of, let's say, English-Canadian nationalism for French-Canadians, in Quebec at least.

02:12:31.540 So that's the reason why I did this speech.

02:12:34.500 And I'm glad that people loved it.

02:12:36.780 You know, I was trying to fuel the fire, the fuel the fire of the eternal Langlo.

02:12:46.820 And in a way, you know, what I said about all this is true, you know, it's how come in our view, you know, our ancestors didn't last the Seven Years' War for Anglo-Canadian to become India.

02:13:00.820 It makes no sense. 0.80

02:13:02.720 You're supposed to be those, you know, in our traditional mind, you're supposed to be those orangish, you know, Anglo-supremacist guy. 0.93

02:13:11.800 And you end up being replaced by Pakistan and India. 0.66

02:13:15.080 And it makes no sense. 0.84

02:13:15.920 And us, we're getting replaced by Congo and Algeria.

02:13:18.880 But, I mean, it's not supposed to be that way.

02:13:21.280 You know, you're supposed to be the strong one.

02:13:22.940 You're supposed to be the proud descendant of the British Empire into North America.

02:13:29.320 And, you know, the empire in which the sun never sets.

02:13:33.200 And still, here we are.

02:13:34.940 You know, here we are with 10 years of Justin Trudeau.

02:13:38.840 And then, you know, this banker from London and the same people in power, more or less.

02:13:45.040 Even if there's a little bit of change of policy within the Liberal Party of Canada, there's more, let's say, center than was Trudeau, but still.

02:13:55.280 And mass immigration is still a taboo, I believe, you know, in the broader Canadian political spectrum.

02:14:04.740 And we got to fight this taboo.

02:14:06.360 We got to fight it back because what's going on, it's really problematic.

02:14:11.740 We're changing the civilization. 1.00

02:14:13.560 you know it's a or pity well i wish we had the luxury of of fighting you go against anglos and

02:14:21.020 and francos about the a thousand year rivalry between france and england i wish we had the

02:14:26.560 time to do that and you know the same thing in europe you know the french nationalists and the

02:14:30.920 german nationalists are not supposed to get along but here we are uh everyone everyone is under

02:14:38.080 threat everyone is is being betrayed by a large portion of the elites that want mass migration

02:14:44.880 from third world countries and there's a switch of civilization that is going on right now and

02:14:52.080 i believe that i don't know exactly what's you know what can be the answer uh in in the canadian

02:14:59.120 politics but i know that at least we have to talk to one another on those central issues and

02:15:07.860 try to find a way absolutely and that's something that um just to speak to a couple of points you

02:15:12.880 had mentioned yeah because i'm speaking from someone who's lived in ontario my whole life

02:15:17.800 and that last point you made about the way to begin is to just start talking which we haven't

02:15:24.320 done in fact we've been making content for quite some time now i want to say close to 10 years and

02:15:29.780 that is shameful but back in the in canada where i'm at there's always a lot of canadian content

02:15:35.200 creators but no one spoke to each other and they're always like our trade kind of directed

02:15:40.980 downwards and some people would even move to america but there was never a lot of collaboration

02:15:45.100 except in the past few years and you saw the emergence and like there wasn't a lot of canadian

02:15:50.440 content period there wasn't a lot of stuff out there about canadian history or the nuances of

02:15:57.000 canadian history and reading old canadian books you know we're reading well political theory of

02:16:02.020 course but there's this whole library of things that people forgot not just lament for a nation

02:16:07.560 but there's other great stuff out there that we've been trying to cover on the show and

02:16:11.540 i'm seeing more interest now in canadian history the the deep stuff my friend fortisax my friend

02:16:18.580 ferryman's toll these guys are out there trying to make it seem cool and relevant and further to that

02:16:25.300 i've always had an interest as you say and i want to thank you again we were talking before

02:16:30.020 we began about uh me your your english you're like oh you might you know you might make some

02:16:36.420 mistakes and i said first of all you speak english very well second of all i should be deeply

02:16:40.740 apologetic that i can't speak to you in french and that's that's a problem that speaks to a deeper

02:16:46.180 problem because i there's some discourse now about whether or not we should even be a bilingual

02:16:53.620 country but i've got nothing but affection and admiration for quebec and france by extension but

02:17:02.500 growing up we were sort of inculcated in this disdain for quebec with no reason i give my

02:17:10.340 father-in-law as an example who is a nice enough guy but he hates quebec won't go to quebec 0.97

02:17:16.180 His reason, someone was rude to him once in Quebec 25 fucking years ago. 0.98

02:17:23.060 You see what I'm saying? 0.97

02:17:23.500 But it's like the people feel as if they need to have this distrust or dislike of Quebec,

02:17:29.900 but it's not even logical.

02:17:31.940 It's just that's what you do.

02:17:33.080 That's what you're supposed to not want to speak French. 0.94

02:17:34.960 I'm going to tell you right now, we take French class in elementary school and high school.

02:17:40.020 We have to learn French, and they just did such a bad job of it and didn't take it seriously.

02:17:44.180 No one can speak French.

02:17:45.180 i spoke french for nine years of my life why aren't i fluent and that's just because even

02:17:50.720 this education system didn't take it seriously that we're doing crossword puzzles with verbs

02:17:56.920 it should have been you know but i would have loved to speak french and that's that's not an

02:18:01.320 excuse because i've tried again later in life but i just i'm on duolingo trying to learn french like

02:18:06.820 and not doing a good job a point being that there is this for people outside of canada

02:18:12.960 they might not be aware of the seemingly that some people don't like you know especially at west they

02:18:19.420 don't like that they make equalization payments that go to like there's stuff like that but

02:18:24.820 to me in ontario goes deeper and it it's it's seemingly random to me because every i love

02:18:32.100 montreal i go you go to quebec city and just let the ambiance and the vibe wash over you this is

02:18:38.820 i love it every time i go there um and sometimes they look at me strangely because i can't speak

02:18:44.660 french and they should i wish you know i get it so that but that's the worst that it is other than

02:18:51.460 that it's great but you know i think that's why i liked seeing you after the speech you're doing

02:18:56.920 this these appearances on these other shows and i'm like that's fantastic because you had said

02:19:02.180 you hadn't done that many of these appearances before so like that that's great to see no well

02:19:08.020 Well, yeah. Oh, you touch a lot of subject here, you know, I, yes, there's so much to say about this, this, this whole thing, this whole country that is quite, you know, it's quite difficult to grasp, even for us, you know, even for us.

02:19:24.000 I think sometimes it's difficult for the Anglo-Canadians, but for the French-Canadians, it's really weird, you know, sometimes to be a French, you know, Franco-Catholic, we used to be Catholic, we're secularized now, but we're still sociologically Catholic, you know, we transferred all the sacrality of the Catholic Church to the Quebec state, basically.

02:19:47.160 That's why we are profoundly social democrats, even if we have a hint of nationalism, which is more right-wing by European standards.

02:19:58.360 But for French-Canadian, it's a left-wing social democrat nationalism.

02:20:05.100 So it's a little bit off-road.

02:20:06.920 But still, for us, it's weird to be this kind of French-speaking, secularized Catholic in North America being the subject of the, you know, the crown of England.

02:20:19.160 That's a weird thing to be a French-Canadian, basically.

02:20:23.840 And, you know, even without that, Canada is weird.

02:20:27.840 It's a weird country.

02:20:28.920 You're not supposed to have this remnant of the British Empire into North America up north of the big American empire.

02:20:37.640 I mean, what's the point of all this?

02:20:40.300 And the duality of this country, you know, the fact that basically it was founded by the French and then conquered by the Anglo. 0.86

02:20:48.600 and the anglos you know the british empire had to deal with this large minority large 0.51

02:20:55.960 probably hostile semi-hostile minority you know there's a thousand year rivalry between

02:21:02.940 france and england it's not supposed to work that well between anglos and francos in the same

02:21:09.220 country it's not supposed to to go as easy as it goes right now so it was it was it was tough for

02:21:17.500 empire and my my interpretation we can have you know of course historical debates i'm not sure

02:21:22.460 that it's the point here but you know we can assess that the fact that we kept our language

02:21:27.420 and our culture and our and our our um our religion basically until the the radical 60s

02:21:33.580 but that was not because of the of the uh of the anglosphere it was because of a collapse

02:21:38.540 within quebec from internal catholicism and vatican ii and all those things we might not

02:21:44.140 go into that but uh the fact that we kept this culture the you know it's yeah it's partly because

02:21:52.220 of the tolerance of the british empire but the british empire was tolerant why well basically

02:21:57.980 because we we were probably more loyal than anglo settlers that could have joined the american

02:22:05.980 revolution so it's no mystery that the british empire gave us the right you know uh the act of

02:22:12.540 Quebec, you know, for us to not go with the American Revolution.

02:22:16.460 So there's a lot of geographical and geopolitical, let's say, facts that led to the survival

02:22:25.900 of this small, you know, French-speaking nation into this big, large Anglo-Protestant-dominated

02:22:32.200 continent, whether it's the British Empire in North America or the large, powerful American

02:22:40.380 Republic. And the fact that we still live today, well, you know, as the anthropologue

02:22:47.720 Claude Lévi-Strauss, the Jewish-French Claude Lévi-Strauss said,

02:22:55.740 for a group to remain in time, you need a little bit of xenophobia. If you don't have a little

02:23:02.920 bit of xenophobia, you cannot live. So that's why a big part of the Canadian identity is,

02:23:09.000 of course a little bit of anti-Americanism. Because if you don't have a little bit of xenophobia

02:23:14.680 towards the American, you get swallowed. Well, it's the same thing for us,

02:23:18.600 but probably 10 times more, because it makes no sense to speak this language

02:23:24.680 on an economical level into North America. You're supposed to talk the language of the money

02:23:31.320 and of global capitalism. And the fact that we have language laws and all this resentment against

02:23:37.000 english well of course we do because if we don't have it we disappear okay you we just it's it's

02:23:43.560 more logical for us to speak in english that's it it's more practical so it's it's anti-utilitarian

02:23:51.320 to speak this language in north america so every every generation of french canadian got to ask

02:23:56.440 it itself well are we continuing this this this project that makes basically no rational sense

02:24:03.560 for the sake of the love of our culture and and our nation even if we're not sovereign and maybe

02:24:10.280 we'll never will because i mean we we see ourselves as the first and true canadians

02:24:17.640 and we don't want to break canada because basically the quebec sovereignest movement

02:24:21.640 is so hostile to the canadian entity that maybe we don't want to do it anyway because we we believe

02:24:27.160 that it's our country you know there's a lot of ambiguity within the the french canadian mind in

02:24:32.680 quebec so this the and the fact that you know anglo-canadians don't learn french well of course

02:24:37.640 you don't i mean it's so it doesn't make any sense for you in your daily life and you got this you

02:24:44.040 got this big powerful uh uh you know cultural bulldozer that is the united states of america

02:24:52.520 you got hollywood you i mean you got the music you got the whole the the stock exchange everything

02:24:59.320 you know brings you to this anglosphere so of course this this language that there is no use

02:25:09.340 to talk in a in the daily life of a normal let's say anglo-canadian who lives in north america

02:25:15.880 across the american border who watch cnn or fox or whatever it makes no sense speaking french the

02:25:21.980 the power that the you have to yeah i understand why a lot of anglo because a lot of anglo-canadians

02:25:29.540 for example had the domcon said the exact same thing oh i wish i you know i regret i don't speak

02:25:35.640 french i wish i was yeah i can understand that from the national from a canadian nationalist

02:25:42.760 perspective we say okay we're a binational country we gotta we gotta talk the two languages of the

02:25:47.880 country right if you defend canada for example but you know i talked to for example for to other

02:25:54.560 uh nationalists in other bilingual countries i can tell you something if you talk to french

02:26:00.780 speaking belgians they don't speak flemish because they don't have use to it you know

02:26:07.560 and the same thing for switz uh nationalists i french speaking switz nationalists i i ask them

02:26:15.120 Okay, you speak German, you speak Italian.

02:26:17.680 Well, not really.

02:26:19.020 When we go in the army, the German, they make the effort to speak French. 0.83

02:26:22.640 So in Switzerland, it's the opposite.

02:26:25.320 You know, let's say the lingua franca, the dominant language is more the French than the German.

02:26:33.900 So the German speaking Swiss in the army, because it's mandatory out there, so they got to talk to one another.

02:26:40.320 Well, they speak French.

02:26:41.180 So you see, it all depends on the geographical situation of these binational, bilinguistic countries. 0.54

02:26:50.100 And of course, because of the situation of Canada and North America, of course there's this Anglo-dominance.

02:26:58.000 It's just normal, you know, so don't be too hard on yourself. 0.81

02:27:01.460 Thank you so much for saying that. I've never heard that perspective before.

02:27:04.700 Part of me was feeling insecure because I saw the interview you did with Jared Taylor.

02:27:09.180 And, of course, he comes in speaking pitch-perfect French.

02:27:12.660 Yes, perfect French. 0.52

02:27:14.520 This Japanese guy coming in speaking perfect French. 0.98

02:27:18.600 But that begs the question, and this is a big question,

02:27:23.540 and we can start with this, this entity known as Canada.

02:27:28.040 My friend by the name of Kakarul Kulak,

02:27:30.680 he delivered a speech at an event we held in April,

02:27:33.760 and he was on the side of more particular nationalism,

02:27:37.940 Ontario nationalism, Alberta nationalism, starting with that before a pan-Canadian project

02:27:45.380 can even be achieved. Because I know what a Quebec man is. I know what an Ontarian is and

02:27:50.580 a loyalist is. I'm not sure what a Manitoban is. I'm not sure what a Saskatchewanian is. And

02:27:56.920 it could be the case that they need to conglomerate. There's talk about this, but they

02:28:00.800 should conglomerate into some larger Western province, putting that to the side. There might

02:28:06.460 need to be and i think you're seeing this love domain society because much of their iconography

02:28:12.000 and a lot of their you know loyalist stuff is very ontario coded also before i forget i misspoke at

02:28:18.700 the start i described ontario as lower canada and it is upper canada i know my audience is going to

02:28:25.360 start tearing strips off me for that mistake so yeah lower canada it was exactly i know there's

02:28:32.400 keen ears listening to this but but that's an interesting angle too and i do wonder

02:28:36.980 there's such a powerful self-identification within quebec do you think that other provinces

02:28:45.440 need to get to your level before we could even have a confederation all right because many in

02:28:53.240 in the west believe that the promise of confederation has not been upheld yeah that's

02:28:57.600 why they're correctly you know playing around with the idea of separation i don't think it's

02:29:03.120 that serious but putting that to the side um they do have legitimate grievances but do do you think

02:29:09.160 that other provinces need to get up to quebec's level before we can even talk about being this

02:29:15.220 thing called canada well i never thought about that so i cannot answer you uh thoughtfully um

02:29:23.360 I believe that, of course, in a way, the strong, you know, the bulk, for me, okay, I'll talk from my perspective.

02:29:33.620 For me, the core Canadian identity is loyalism.

02:29:37.960 And, of course, it's rooted in Ontario, because that's basically where the loyalist population founded the country, basically.

02:29:43.720 So, for me, Canadian nationalism, it's going to be really hard to get beyond this.

02:29:52.920 And this is why any reform that wants to make, you know, any constitutional reform that we want to make, you know, getting rid of a monarchy, for example, it's, you know, it's a subject in Australia, cannot be a subject in Canada, sorry, it cannot be a subject in Canada because it's so tied up with the core national principle of the country.

02:30:19.020 And every time you go, we have some, I call it a little bit of a monarchy, monarchist upheaval in Quebec, and people go, how come we have, you know, the face of Charles III into the dollar, and what is this? 1.00

02:30:34.060 This is totally colonial, this is a retard, and we have no link. 0.99

02:30:38.000 I'm like, yeah, but guys, this is the country. 1.00

02:30:41.300 It's a constitutional monarchy.

02:30:43.860 This is the bulk of the identity of Anglo-Canadians.

02:30:48.060 and we don't want to quit it we're stuck with it you know you don't want to quit because you want

02:30:54.180 the money you want the money of the of the federation and you don't want the the geopolitical

02:31:01.520 fight that is going to happen if if you really do separate then you got to accept the fact that

02:31:08.360 this country is is is founded in a lot of ways uh by loyalists and by the fact that it is the

02:31:18.040 continuity of the british civilization into north america and why did we not take the arms with the

02:31:27.800 american we french canadian i tell you right off the bat what i think what happened in 1812 i'll

02:31:33.160 answer your question more you know deeply after this this small historical perspective no no no

02:31:39.080 keep going i love this but you know you know why i took i think french canadian took the arms the

02:31:43.880 the british coat you know the british uniform in 1812 when we got invaded by the by the uh by the

02:31:50.600 americans i don't believe that it was because we loved so much you know the parliament and the

02:31:57.560 the crown of england no no we did it because we had common interests because we knew that if we get

02:32:05.720 up you know uh swallowed swallowed annexed by the republic by the american republic

02:32:15.880 we will be a tiny tiny little minority as with north america sure we're minority sure we're

02:32:22.840 dominated by uh you know uh british bureaucrats especially in 1812 and and we were part of the

02:32:30.120 british empire anglo-protestant and we're french catholic and you know there was some friction

02:32:35.080 but at least we're a big minority and that's the same thought now what's going on in quebec

02:32:42.280 you know why there is so much a strong anti-americanism now in quebec you know if

02:32:49.320 you think really deeply about this if the sovereignist movement in quebec was serious

02:32:56.360 which is not in my opinion if it was serious it would have go to washington shake the hand of 0.65

02:33:05.320 orange men you know the evil orange man who attacks canadian sovereignty and make a deal with 0.54

02:33:11.880 it to blow up canada that's geopolitically that's what separatists should do but of course they

02:33:18.440 cannot do that. The Parti Quebecois cannot do that. You know why? Because French Canadians are far more

02:33:24.680 fearful of Washington than Ottawa. Would you say that anti-Americanism has increased in Quebec over

02:33:32.740 the past few years? Because you don't hear that story a lot. Oh no, I've never seen this level

02:33:37.880 anti-Americanism in my whole life. The last time I saw this was in 2003 when the Americans invaded

02:33:46.780 Iraq with big demonstration in Montreal and almost everywhere in Quebec.

02:33:53.640 There was a really mass rally against the invasion of Iraq in 2003 because we have this

02:34:00.240 kind of a little bit of third worldist perspective, you know, this kind of third worldist nationalism

02:34:07.180 anti-American.

02:34:08.040 And at the same time, yeah, the fact that we knew that there was no link between Iraq

02:34:14.400 and 9-11 you know everyone knew that except the americans you know you were watching french tv

02:34:21.360 and it was obvious that there was no link with saddam hussein and 9-11 like none of it uh even

02:34:27.260 if you don't if you don't even if you don't know a conspiracy theory about the inside job and all

02:34:31.740 those things it was just you know the guy who did it was saudi so that's the official storyline

02:34:38.480 anyway so no no there was a i never seen this level of anti-americanism and you know what

02:34:43.260 But it's logical because the first one who fought the Americans, the 13th colony in North America, it was us at the time when Anglo-Canadians were still the 13 colonies.

02:34:54.620 We, you know, the French Canadians fought the Americans before the Anglo-Canadians fought the Americans in a way.

02:35:01.720 So the fact that we see the 13 colonies as a rival colony and a rival nation, well, it backs the new France.

02:35:10.760 So it precedes Anglo-Canada.

02:35:15.780 So the fact that we refuse to be American, when Trump talks about 51st state, we know what it means for French-Canadian.

02:35:23.240 It means the total annihilation of our culture.

02:35:27.360 Because if we get into the United States, it's not just, oh, you know, Canadian pride.

02:35:35.020 No, no.

02:35:35.380 For us, it's vital.

02:35:36.380 It's vital.

02:35:37.460 because we know what happened to french canadians in louisiana you know that uh this we coined um

02:35:45.800 a verb in quebec it's called louisianization it means to basically go into a folklore culture

02:35:54.600 sure you know there's mardi gras in in louisiana and new orleans and you know oh some people speak

02:36:01.540 french but they don't really on a daily live speak french they don't they don't know the history of

02:36:08.080 why that's there they just think it's this odd random thing that happened like oh there's just

02:36:13.520 this cool french voodoo part yeah there's no universities you know what what do we want to do

02:36:20.060 we want to have the universities in french we want to have a press in french we want to we want to

02:36:25.260 have debates in french we want our whole life normal academic no scientific life in french

02:36:31.400 that's a big project you know when you live in north america and we all know you know you know

02:36:36.920 basically we all know that if we if we get somehow uh annexed to the united states it's over the the

02:36:44.120 the co not only the institution are not going to be transformed into a bilingual thing but also

02:36:50.120 you know the the book the cult the bulldozer american culture hollywoodian culture will

02:36:56.840 destroy what's left of of this culture so i got a question for you too in your opinion uh how

02:37:03.720 widespread is that opinion you just exhibited and do you think that knowledge has sort of constrained

02:37:11.660 or limited the separatist impulse because i'm old i think we might be around the same age

02:37:17.260 or thereabouts and i remember perfect separatism and the referendums when i was growing up

02:37:22.400 But do you think, just to restate it, what you just said, is that a popular opinion in your country?

02:37:29.560 And do you think that's what might hold back a genuine separatist movement?

02:37:33.560 Because they know if they do, it's more likely, just like Alberta, to fall into the orbit of America.

02:37:39.360 It's obvious for everyone.

02:37:40.940 But it's obvious for anyone who think about it.

02:37:43.300 But I'll say that the more, it's not necessarily intellectualized that way.

02:37:49.660 But I think that everyone understands it.

02:37:52.400 uh you know the the the big argument of the federalists now in quebec is like oh you know

02:37:59.800 they don't say independence is bad they say or independence of quebec is bad because they want

02:38:04.700 the vote of the nationalists so they say uh the the federalist party say well it's not the time

02:38:11.100 you know because there's trump and there's uh you know there's there's too much fluency into the

02:38:18.500 international sphere so it's not the time to hold a referendum but of course if you're federalist

02:38:23.700 it's never the time to hold a referendum anyway so it's a little bit of a 0.87

02:38:27.380 bullshit but basically what what we see now that's why i call trump the apocalypse you know 0.89

02:38:34.420 because it's what is apocalypse in in greek it means revelation so trump's makes a revelation to 0.99

02:38:43.300 to canada and quebec about the geopolitics of being in north america if if the empire

02:38:51.580 downside uh says well you know doctoral the the doc the monroe doctrine sorry with the uh i think

02:39:01.160 they call it the trump corollary or corollary corollary yeah yeah corollary trump sorry for

02:39:08.140 uh uh well you're stuck with that boys because we're in the five eyes we're in norad we're in

02:39:16.240 nato uh okay we have a big strong social democracy but we don't really got a big army in the north 0.96

02:39:24.260 so the arctic border is kept principally by the by the americans so they got us by the balls 0.97

02:39:31.800 and they're so powerful and big. 0.93

02:39:34.480 So now you've got this whole thing

02:39:35.780 and now the sovereign movement in Quebec

02:39:39.580 discover, oh, we're not in Europe.

02:39:42.820 Well, no, you're not.

02:39:44.340 You're in North America.

02:39:46.420 And if you're logical and you want to break Canada,

02:39:50.960 well, I'm sorry.

02:39:51.920 You've got to sit down with Washington.

02:39:53.580 But if you're too afraid of Washington to do that,

02:39:57.600 well, then you're not going to break up Canada,

02:40:00.140 let's be honest.

02:40:00.900 yeah and that's what we would always tell people because if you just look like the promise of

02:40:05.940 confederation is for johnny mcdonald this is why canada exists to begin with it was as in response

02:40:12.480 to american encroachment it was very practical that there's a reason we did it and i think that

02:40:19.100 there's a lot of people you know i um there's people will joke about the low population in

02:40:26.080 canada but like i'm always trying to reconcile the fact that we do hug the border most of our

02:40:32.680 trade is with america we do have these compacts and agreements but you're always trying to

02:40:37.460 wrestle with the anti-americanism which i think is fundamental to our identity or we needs to

02:40:43.720 be reconciled and the fact that as we say we're not in here we're next door to the largest most

02:40:50.420 consequential empire in human history what are you going to do about that we don't have an ocean

02:40:54.320 between us like there's no reality where we don't have to have some relationship with america

02:41:00.140 so you know we can have as many trade deals with china and europe as we want but like we're right

02:41:06.040 there and you can't pretend that you're not like it that's not actual geopolitics so yeah there's

02:41:13.440 there's conversations that we need to have that maybe they don't need to have in europe and uh

02:41:18.880 yeah that's i don't even want to get into mark carney and all that because i got that's a whole

02:41:25.180 other debate um one thing i wanted to get to i'm sorry continue yeah can i just stop you here

02:41:30.780 of course quebec boomers love carney so much so much and this really you and and it's it's it's

02:41:42.440 totally unbelievable in a way but you can sovereignist voted for carney and quebec

02:41:48.140 sovereignist what's what's his power or over them what's what's what's his trick do you think

02:41:55.800 um well first of all it's the anglo banker so it's got to be serious it's serious the guys

02:42:06.200 come from London. Hey, wait a minute. That's serious. He, you know, he knows what he's talking

02:42:13.540 about. Second of it, the American voted for Elvis Presley in politics. Okay. Basically a Trump

02:42:21.640 rally is an Elvis Presley show where he improvise. He say a lot of shit talk and it's just a big 1.00

02:42:29.680 show it's a freak show okay it's americana multiplied by 10 okay um so if the americans 1.00

02:42:38.580 vote for a national populist totally eccentric what we're going to do where we're going to vote

02:42:43.900 for the brown guy we're going to vote for the banker with no charisma who's the you know the 0.83

02:42:50.180 the the the epitome of of uh how do you call this the the you know the davos guy i i don't like to

02:42:58.420 use that word but I mean Mark Carney is basically a globalist in his mindset in his relationship to

02:43:05.640 the world the fact that he's both British Irish so he got a European passport and Canadian we know

02:43:12.980 that he is more at ease at Davos than in any you know Saskatchewan suburb he's like the first

02:43:20.700 politician that almost led with being a world economic forum guy like he's that that's his

02:43:27.380 entire identity he is a globalist unashamedly yep and and why it works because it's the total

02:43:35.220 opposite of trump so this this anti-american identity of canadian just reflects into that

02:43:44.200 and for quebec boomers you know oh sure they're separatists they voted yes in 1995 they voted

02:43:52.840 parts québécois their whole life but now it's serious now we have the americans are talking

02:43:58.520 about the 51st state so now we got to vote seriously and what's serious well a guy who

02:44:06.820 come from london and who knows economy that's serious well you have is not serious

02:44:13.200 well you have his mini trump and and also this is a big problem uh we get into something more

02:44:21.880 deeper now, the fact that we vote for the Liberal Party of Canada. Why don't we vote conservative?

02:44:27.340 Why does French Canadians in Quebec does not vote for the Conservative Party? And even

02:44:36.500 if the Conservative Party says we're going to give more power to the provinces, why do

02:44:41.520 we vote for the centralized guys who want more power in Ottawa? Why do we do this? My

02:44:49.800 My interpretation, and I might be wrong, is because Quebec votes for what comes from Quebec.

02:44:57.280 And the conservative movement in Canada is historically, it's the orangist, it's the

02:45:03.420 anti-Francophone, it's the anti-Catholic, and it comes from the West.

02:45:08.340 It doesn't come from us.

02:45:11.080 So basically, we see the conservative movement as a foreign movement, as opposed to the liberals

02:45:18.360 who comes from the Laurentian elites.

02:45:22.100 So that means Montreal businesses and Toronto businesses and the alliance of it.

02:45:28.540 And we know we can infiltrate, as French-Canadian, we know we can far more easily infiltrate

02:45:33.600 the Liberal Party of Canada. 0.97

02:45:35.440 And this goes, if you make this reflection deeper, it's the problem with every minority. 0.95

02:45:45.300 not just the french canadian it's every minority they're going to vote for the party of minorities 0.57

02:45:52.340 even if their uh their um their social values align more with other parties or you know right

02:46:00.420 wing parties they're going to vote for the parties of minorities and that's basically what the we

02:46:05.620 have the same problem with the anglos in quebec what i mean by that is the fact that sure french

02:46:12.260 can't vote liberal in canada because liberal party is the party of the minorities and because of

02:46:18.420 wilfrid laurier and the and the fact that we see historically uh the uh the conservative party the

02:46:24.820 tories as more anti-french anti-catholic but there's also something that's going on in quebec

02:46:30.340 where the anglo minority in quebec votes for the liberal party of quebec which is the more

02:46:36.260 immigrationist uh open border uh uh party in quebec they don't vote for the for they don't

02:46:44.820 vote for a nationalist party in quebec of course because they they they want to vote for the the

02:46:50.420 party who protects their linguistic right linguistic english speaking rights and they

02:46:56.340 want to vote for the party who is less uh let's say let's say hostile to the minorities so whether

02:47:04.500 Whether you're Anglo or French, when you're a minority, you don't vote the same way because you defend your interests, quote unquote.

02:47:12.860 I'm not sure that voting for the Liberal Party of Canada is good for Quebec, though.

02:47:17.780 I think the opposite.

02:47:19.700 But the Quebecers don't see it that way.

02:47:23.720 At least that's what I can say.

02:47:25.100 But that's fascinating.

02:47:25.900 I'd never heard it described that way.

02:47:27.320 But I think your theory is accurate.

02:47:31.260 And that would explain quite a bit.

02:47:33.120 and it's the conservative party is just really doomed and like they can't get it right that

02:47:39.040 they're never going to get go back on their side they're never really going to get anyone

02:47:41.580 on their side i think that's why there's interest very soft interest in the conservative party and

02:47:49.400 trying to integrate nationalist voices i don't know if they'll go as far as you i think they're

02:47:54.980 exploring you know the domain society exploring alternatives but they're they're not going to get

02:48:01.680 anywhere as long as Pierre Polyev is there like he he's just he's an albatross around their neck

02:48:07.060 he he was honestly one of the most humiliating electoral losses I've ever seen in my life

02:48:15.140 and I said you know what at this this could be a wake-up call for the conservatives we'll see what

02:48:20.560 they do after he lost to Carney you know you got to go you know they'll refresh they'll find someone

02:48:26.140 knew i didn't expect them to just keep him around he's just still there and just doing a bad job

02:48:32.640 i i know but what's you know what's the alternative it's it's uh o2 like the red

02:48:39.660 exactly i mean that's not that's not super sexy i was thinking oh maybe there's like a cool young

02:48:45.840 conservative and there's not yeah exactly they're gonna bring stephen harper back they're just

02:48:52.940 trying to figure out who do we got but there's no one exciting because a lot of them would have

02:48:57.880 gone to the People's Party of Canada and then they would have split from the People's Party of Canada

02:49:02.200 and went to the Domain Society that's sort of the that's why we have that because Daniel Tyree used

02:49:07.940 to work for the PPC and you know unfortunately I was one of the very first people who was

02:49:15.760 signed on to the People's Party of Canada when it first launched because I think a lot of people

02:49:20.000 expected it to be more nationalist and accomplish a lot of the stuff that you know we're talking

02:49:27.880 about right now and then of course it didn't and now it's just again still there just floating

02:49:34.000 around and i i actually don't dislike maxime bernier yeah but i i don't think i don't think

02:49:40.720 he's really in charge of the party he's out there on podcasts and stuff which is what he should be

02:49:45.380 doing he should just be out there as a personality but the party itself its constituents is just it's

02:49:51.300 this whole structure of it is just so rotten just you got to burn it but and just let maxine bernie

02:49:58.160 just figure out who he is yeah maybe start again i don't know but you you know the the here we got

02:50:04.740 into the two solitudes because we know maxine bernie we know his position in 2012 when there's

02:50:13.360 this charter of right going on in quebec you know when the parts quebecois wanted to have the

02:50:19.540 secularist laws in quebec in 2012 when it got elected on the minority government okay and there

02:50:26.440 was this big reaction from the left and the the liberal party of quebec against it you know for

02:50:33.080 multiculturalism and against what is seen as uh you know more quote-unquote xenophobic laws you

02:50:41.260 know uh to basically uh constraint the possibility of religious fanatics to impose on us their uh

02:50:49.520 their uh their their headdress or their religious symbols anyway and you know what was the stance

02:50:56.080 of maxim berlin at the time when he was uh still i believe a conservative mp he said oh we should

02:51:03.780 never brought those subjects into Canadian politics. That's divisive. We should not

02:51:10.420 talk about identity politics and inject it into Canadian politics. That was the Baxim Bernier of

02:51:19.080 2012. So you're right. What is this guy? He's a libertarian. He fights the dairy, I don't know

02:51:28.380 We call this the cartel.

02:51:29.780 We call it the dairy cartel, yeah.

02:51:32.960 Yeah, the dairy cartel.

02:51:34.260 That's why he lost in his own constituency,

02:51:38.260 because he fought the guy who were voting for him, okay, in both.

02:51:44.500 That's, you know, milk producers, basically, and farmers, okay?

02:51:49.300 So, and also he's anti-vax.

02:51:51.820 So he's just a broad, populist, anti-elite resentment party.

02:51:57.440 but the problem is canadians are not populist they love their elites we're you know they're

02:52:04.780 not americans they love the elites they they trust the elites they trust the cbc they trust

02:52:11.620 the media and that was a big thing that we've i've noticed a lot of uh canadian our audiences

02:52:18.300 uh start to figure out because so often in the past canadians who are on the right ended up

02:52:25.220 adopting american values or just echoing america but so you had to be against this so you had to

02:52:33.500 you had to be a a individual you had to be entrepreneurial things of that nature but

02:52:38.160 historically we're not that and so that's why you keep trying to ram this sort of american

02:52:44.800 attitude into canada it never really takes and that's i think that's a good point maxine bernard

02:52:50.520 He's trying to bring in this populism that works in America, but it doesn't work here.

02:52:57.560 Yes, exactly.

02:52:58.320 And also, you know, to his credit and to the credit of Poiliev, it's tough because if you're right wing in the Anglosphere, well, everyone's going to be, well, you're a mini Trump.

02:53:09.940 You're a mini Trump, you know.

02:53:11.760 So how can you distinguish yourself from this American national populism without being seen as a fifth column within your own country?

02:53:21.940 And everyone in Europe, even outside of the English sphere in Europe, has the same problem.

02:53:26.820 It will be the same problem for Marine Le Pen next year for the presidential election.

02:53:30.840 It will be the same problem for, I don't know, Restore Britain, for example.

02:53:34.960 And it's the same thing for Canadian politics, because, you know, every right wing, more or less, you know, like Poitier, more or less semi-populist guy is going to be compared to Trump.

02:53:47.820 And the fact that Trump is in this tariff war against other Western countries, well, the United States of America is portrayed as predatory toward other Western countries.

02:54:07.900 So, if you have the appearance of being the relay of the Trump administration or the Trump style, criticizing the elites and mass immigration and yada yada, well, you've been seen as a foreign element into your own country.

02:54:27.660 And the left-wingers will appear as the nationalists.

02:54:31.200 That's what happened with the Liberal Party of Canada.

02:54:34.860 What is nationalism in Canada?

02:54:37.320 well being anti-American so who incarns more the national identity well the liberal party

02:54:43.240 more than the conservative party and of course it's a it's a it's it's a fallacy because the

02:54:50.280 liberal party of canada basically drowns us in mass migration from the third world but it works

02:54:57.700 it works on media it works on the discursive level it works i tell you the conservative party

02:55:03.540 won't listen to my suggestions

02:55:05.660 for how to redeem them

02:55:07.740 and make them relevant again. They keep

02:55:09.800 getting the same type of guy,

02:55:11.880 the same type of American-style libertarian.

02:55:14.520 I said, here's what they need to do.

02:55:16.100 What they need to find,

02:55:17.680 not a young, middle-aged, but 0.94

02:55:19.680 a racist, monarchist, 0.99

02:55:22.600 alcoholic. Now, 1.00

02:55:23.820 hear me out, because

02:55:25.060 Sir John A. MacDonald was a 0.64

02:55:27.660 notorious drunk. What? You think you're better

02:55:29.680 than Sir John A. MacDonald? A real

02:55:31.940 drunk prime minister hasn't been tried in my lifetime and i think we had with trudeau we had

02:55:40.360 like maybe the first divorced prime minister and that was cool i i he started growing a beard he

02:55:46.780 started getting strange i i was excited about him for a minute but we we never seen that like a

02:55:51.100 divorced guy energy and he let me down but i'm like you got nothing left to lose who erin o'toole 0.99

02:55:56.840 fuck off you need bring a racist monarch is drunk and just see what happens 0.98

02:56:01.920 yeah i i i know i i don't want to i don't want to upset your audience also but uh and and you 1.00

02:56:11.680 and but you know unfortunately that's that's the thing with this country you i mean the the

02:56:20.700 conservative party probably probably needs a little bit of french canadian uh how can i say this a

02:56:31.900 french canadian um madness to the conservative party and that means probably a french canadian

02:56:40.460 uh uh chief because at this point i'd be open to it because they got a double anglo in the

02:56:48.380 liberal party we got an anglo who came from london yeah and that would try do it get a

02:56:54.540 that could that could fix it yeah yeah and you need to find an anglophile french canadian uh

02:57:04.380 yeah it's yeah it's it's a tough it's a tough it's a tough it's a tough situation for the 1.00

02:57:09.660 for the conservative party and also you know let's be let's be real you know the arper won

02:57:16.060 also because there was this big big big big scandal on the liberal party of of uh of canada

02:57:22.940 after chretien and paul martin and that's a big reason why arper got elected it was not just

02:57:29.660 because he was so marvelous and so intelligent he was intelligent and he was smart but i mean that's

02:57:35.500 not the whole story the whole story is also because there was a big big big big uh scandal

02:57:42.700 And I don't know what you call this in English.

02:57:45.320 You know, when the post-referendum, when there was a lot of post-1995 referendum for the Quebec secession,

02:57:53.900 there was this big scandal within the Liberal Party that gave a lot of contracts to all of the friends.

02:57:59.700 And that really cost a lot to the Liberal Party, at least in Quebec.

02:58:04.300 And everyone voted bloc.

02:58:05.840 So it weakens a lot, the Liberal Party.

02:58:09.280 And that's why this shift happened for the Conservative.

02:58:13.120 But without that, I'm not sure the Liberal Party would have been taken down

02:58:16.980 and the Conservative would have been able to win.

02:58:19.560 So, you know, Canada is almost a uniparty.

02:58:24.400 And in a way, maybe we should not infiltrate the Conservative.

02:58:33.140 Maybe we should do like Carney.

02:58:34.740 You take over the Liberal Party of Canada and you switch parties.

02:58:39.280 policy you switch the policies like he does you know uh the the the the green guy the ecologist

02:58:47.420 uh he stepped down because oh there's too much you know pro enterprise

02:58:53.560 um uh accommodation that has been made by carney it'd be funny if we took over the ndp

02:59:00.360 yeah but uh poor uh poor ndp what's the relevance when you got trudeau in power

02:59:09.240 it's basically the the left you know the left wing side of the liberal party of canada it was

02:59:15.480 a mess it's been a mess it still gets votes but like i look at it from it's like the green party

02:59:21.540 yeah i don't know it's it's a circus but i'm like yeah maybe we can just get in there and take it 0.82

02:59:26.160 over and have some fun i don't know they they got like the weirdest boomers over there we have the

02:59:32.600 ones that like have jobs they've got like the margaritaville boomers i know we're getting

02:59:37.740 close to our time um and but you mentioned something previously about uh the left in quebec

02:59:45.380 and i would be remiss if i didn't mention a story that i had a difficult time finding online but i

02:59:52.360 know this is true that um not long before the domain society conference you were attacked in

03:00:00.240 your car by uh leftist agitators and one thing i always talk about is the presence of antifa

03:00:07.620 and the canada anti-hate network i know has been instrumental in getting you you kicked off of

03:00:13.640 youtube and you know there's all kinds of stories out there about how they treated they put a target

03:00:18.420 on you specifically yeah but seeing the the presence of leftist agitators and oppression

03:00:25.460 let's say in all throughout canada and certain provinces have it worse and it seems to me that

03:00:31.080 and i'm going to ask you uh to verify this but it seems that there's a lot of leftist activity

03:00:37.000 in quebec because you don't hear about people getting attacked like you got attacked so i guess

03:00:41.940 the question is from where you're standing is there a lot of antifa and a lot of leftist

03:00:48.680 political agitation in quebec that you're experiencing maybe versus the rest of canada

03:00:55.000 um i don't know exactly the situation in english canada so i can't say for sure

03:01:01.120 Compared to France, it's not as tough because, you know, in Europe, in Italy, in France, you really have a true communist tradition where you got big communist party that evolved basically into what I call Islamo-Marxism or Islamo-Leftism.

03:01:22.300 So those guys are really, you know, militant, and they're really an anti-capitalist,

03:01:29.540 and they really believe in, you know, a kind of a socialist project.

03:01:35.160 So they're organized, and they're violent.

03:01:39.100 So it's, of course, Quebec is less, the Quebec left is less militant and violent than the European one.

03:01:49.040 it's probably more than the anglo-canadian one though so we're probably in middle of the road

03:01:55.960 here so yeah they attacked me uh 40 of them just blocked me in my car before uh going to uh to my

03:02:03.040 studio to make my uh my thursday show my thursday weekly show and so i just say even the amount of

03:02:10.900 them 40 that's a lot and just to circle back to something you just said that just to give some

03:02:17.660 context we held an event here in toronto uh with some big names we had uh dr ricardo shane we had

03:02:25.320 carrieman stole and it was a pretty big event and we held it in toronto in antifa central and none

03:02:32.940 of them showed up and even the domain society conference big international certainly but also

03:02:40.900 national news and like 9 to 12 showed up and so i hear that 40 showed up to you like that that's an

03:02:48.260 indicator of just the sheer numbers over and i apologize continue yeah yeah yeah yeah you're

03:02:53.620 right and why i say 40 i was in my car so i couldn't count them is because they said they

03:02:58.100 were 40s and that that's about what i said because at the end of the day i i managed to do my show in

03:03:04.420 another studio and i said uh well they're probably 20 to 50 of them and you know and

03:03:10.580 by their own account they said they were 40 so i i take their number uh and two months after that

03:03:17.460 it's saint john the baddest day which is basically you know the the national day of quebec the saint

03:03:23.380 patron of the the french canadian and you know that the the au canada was sung the first time

03:03:29.460 at saint john the baptist in 1885 in quebec city uh and it's a fascinating um anthem if if you read

03:03:39.940 the original take in french it talks about the fight against foreign races it talks about the

03:03:47.460 true god it talks about you know the the great river which is of course the saint lawrence river

03:03:52.740 And at the end, it talks about Christ is King.

03:03:57.620 You know, it's really a national Catholic anthem really rooted into this French-Canadian-Catholic traditional nationalism.

03:04:09.620 O Canada, the original version, is super reactionary and nationalistic in French.

03:04:17.320 And then they change, of course, the words, the sentences for the Anglo version.

03:04:26.840 So St. John the Baptist Day, 24th of June.

03:04:30.400 Of course, I'm a Quebec nationalist, a French-Canadian nationalist.

03:04:33.700 So I do an event every year.

03:04:36.580 And as always, the local ND file, now it was not in Montreal.

03:04:41.060 The former attack was in Montreal, now in Quebec City.

03:04:45.160 And the Facebook page of Quebec Antifa made a call for action against our event.

03:04:54.300 So they didn't show up at the location, but my car got burned, which was not in the same

03:05:06.040 district, a few districts away.

03:05:08.240 And I got a phone call from the police at 1 a.m.

03:05:11.960 Are you Mr. Camus Denis?

03:05:13.720 Yes, well...

03:05:15.160 the car is on fire and i was like what and of course it was it was criminal okay uh so

03:05:23.480 so yes uh now is this was this organized by the whole antifa movement or just that the fact that

03:05:33.880 uh they knew my license plate and they one of them saw it and decided to act i don't know exactly

03:05:40.600 the details but clearly the car that was basically surrounded by 40 people was the same car car was

03:05:50.280 been burned uh two months after this so they knew my license plate they shared it within their own

03:05:58.680 network antifa network and it got burned after a call for action from the quebec antifa facebook

03:06:05.000 page that's the current state of affair and and they they doxed me they doxed members of my family

03:06:15.000 uh they you know they they're on to me because and and and also i think it makes them a little

03:06:24.920 bit angry because normally what they do is they just dox uh people that are uh in uh in anonymity

03:06:34.360 anonymous that's right yeah yeah the the docs people were anonymous

03:06:41.400 well that's my name that's my face i don't hide and they're so angry about this so what they try

03:06:46.920 to do is is to marginalize me socially you know oh don't speak to this guy and the media don't don't

03:06:53.720 don't talk to him and yada yada yada and then it doesn't work so they go into the next level which

03:07:00.280 I call it a lower scale of political terrorism.

03:07:06.000 Okay, it's not, I know, it's not a bomb.

03:07:08.320 They didn't shoot me or anything.

03:07:10.240 But, you know, it starts by car fire.

03:07:16.840 And where does it end?

03:07:18.980 Well, is it end like Charlie Kirk?

03:07:20.980 I don't know.

03:07:21.900 Of course, there's a history of political violence in the United States.

03:07:26.620 It's always been the case.

03:07:27.840 I mean, murder of president and assassination and John Fitzgerald Kennedy and Martin Luther King.

03:07:34.720 And, you know, there's a big history of political violence that we don't have, basically, in Canada.

03:07:39.780 But, you know, Quebec has been more rough on this side.

03:07:43.800 And there's a thing you've got to understand also.

03:07:47.300 Well, I think you do understand, and a lot of Anglo-Canadians know that.

03:07:51.660 But we have a left-wing kind of nationalism.

03:07:54.600 okay for because tradition well traditionally in the 60s in the radical 60s there was a link between

03:08:02.460 the socialist movement and the separatist movement we said oh basically you know what 0.96

03:08:06.520 the national oppression from the anglo is also a class oppression because who are the anglos

03:08:13.140 well they're the bosses the american capitalists or the anglo-american capitalist class and that's

03:08:19.360 a very european phenomena as well because i was just reading that in germany the the ascendant

03:08:25.340 far right party there was building a coalition with and this is what i was told from the germans

03:08:31.220 i know sort of like their left-wing nationalist party and over over here you just don't have that

03:08:36.300 it's either left-wing internationalism and just classes maybe have a left-wing nationalist

03:08:41.680 just seems so strange to us but you see that a lot you see that quebec it sounds like

03:08:47.380 yeah yeah the i think the best it's it's not a good comparison but it's it's still the best one

03:08:55.840 it's um well yeah it's the best but it's not totally accurate that's what i mean it's the best

03:09:03.040 link that we can make but it's not totally accurate it's the irish basically okay so

03:09:08.640 they kicked off the the anglo the the english empire the anglo empire uh and at the same time

03:09:16.420 they're super pro-palestinian and they see themselves as the dominated of history you know

03:09:23.140 the victims of history so there's this solidarity with the third world that are fighting against

03:09:29.020 imperialism so we got this from the what we call the neo-nationalist movement from the radical

03:09:34.420 60s when traditional french canadian catholic nationalism collapsed in the 60s the the the

03:09:43.860 The nationalist movement was transformed into this socialist, left-wing, third-worldness nationalism that led to what?

03:09:56.340 That led to the FLQ.

03:09:58.780 The Front de Libération du Québec is a left-wing Marxist nationalist organization.

03:10:04.960 And when they got to hide from the Canadian authorities, you know where they went.

03:10:08.960 They went to Algeria, they went to Cuba, and they went in the United States to see whom? 0.86

03:10:15.000 The Black Panthers. 0.97

03:10:16.000 And that's where they got their training.

03:10:17.720 It's funny that we covered a few books.

03:10:20.780 We were actually, I wrote this article for my Substack, the Vanguard's Journal, that

03:10:24.520 was comparing and contrasting the IRA in Ireland against the FLQ.

03:10:31.420 And these two separate, very, very separate nationalist moves.

03:10:35.000 and and uh who's his name uh valier the one of the guys yeah and like we read his autobiography

03:10:42.840 which has a title i don't want to get demonetized but white ends of north america and like he had

03:10:49.800 such a hatred of quebec hearing him talking he hated his parents he hated that quebec was catholic

03:10:55.480 he just didn't like people in quebec and so he went over to france paris spent some time there

03:11:00.680 realize he hated people in france too and came back like he really was a leftist and but the ira

03:11:07.160 as as a such a longer history of it too and and and all the different characters and stuff but

03:11:12.840 you know i i would hate to see uh quebec nationalism follow the same route because because

03:11:18.360 the ira now and sin finn which was the political arm of the ira uh is really just a leftist

03:11:25.160 organization and they embraced this sort of third worldist um you know multi-polarity sort of like

03:11:32.360 we playing playing the like minority victimhood game like there's like we're victims just like 0.93

03:11:39.000 all these other people and and then just hating uh the anglos as well and in electing them we

03:11:46.040 always said you know that group treats the anglos the same way the nazis treat the jews like the 0.93

03:11:51.800 the angles are to blame for everything and they're and i'm like good luck with that good luck with

03:11:57.340 the algerians man good luck i hope i hope i hope it works out for you you know letting this like 0.90

03:12:03.720 communist party run by weird women yeah they're gonna fucking solve it anyway i'm getting off 0.83

03:12:08.380 track here yeah yeah no but i understand totally you know the thing is it's it's it's 0.99

03:12:12.760 we got the same problem in scotland you know the scottish nationalist party the snp

03:12:18.980 is left-wing, pro-Islam, sovereignist. 0.76

03:12:22.940 I have to tell some, and I'm not a big fan of,

03:12:25.860 I have a lot of critiques towards the Parti Québécois,

03:12:28.740 okay, and the sovereignist movement.

03:12:30.420 But, honestly, it's less worse than that

03:12:35.040 because at least the Parti Québécois and the sovereignist movement,

03:12:38.920 they talk, they're the most rough on immigration,

03:12:42.180 the more tough on immigration,

03:12:44.200 more than the new coming conservative party of Quebec, which is more leaning to what I call the GDP right, you know.

03:12:54.780 Oh, we got to regionalize immigration and we're going to speak to the regions, you know, how much they want immigrants.

03:13:02.840 Well, if you talk to the regions of Quebec, who is that?

03:13:08.240 Well, it's the businesses, you know.

03:13:11.900 It's the local, how do you call this, the bosses, basically, the, you know, bosses' unions, basically, that are going to say, well, we need more immigrants.

03:13:27.660 And that's it.

03:13:29.240 So what, so.

03:13:30.380 I was going to say that that's so rare because I apologize for interrupting.

03:13:33.320 No, no problem.

03:13:34.000 I was just reminded of us reading a book titled Archeofuturism by D. and Fay.

03:13:40.060 Sure, sure.

03:13:40.460 and he was describing sort of the decline and fall of the french new right and it's just i i'm

03:13:45.820 impressed that quebec nationalism as it is has hasn't fallen for the same traps because he's

03:13:51.980 describing how french new right effectively became islamist like it became another multi-polarity

03:13:58.620 thing and that's all they write about now about their place within this multicultural tapestry

03:14:04.700 And it's like, it seems that only Quebec as the last man standing is like, you're allowed to be anti-immigration.

03:14:12.700 You're allowed to not want to have anything to do with this diaspora globalism.

03:14:20.000 Yeah, but you know why?

03:14:21.760 Why it resonates?

03:14:23.240 Well, first of all, I know some people from the French Nouvelle Droite, the new right.

03:14:29.860 And they're still identitarians.

03:14:31.580 They're still good elements.

03:14:33.000 I talked to them.

03:14:34.040 If you talk to Jean-Yves Le Gallou, they talk about remigration, all this stuff.

03:14:38.100 So I understand what Guillaume Fay said about this and the particular figures of that movement,

03:14:44.000 particularly Alain de Benoît, which is really a third worldist, we can say, leaning towards this.

03:14:53.040 He wrote a recent article saying, we're not Westerners, we're Europeans,

03:14:57.760 and we won the triumph of the third world against the American empire,

03:15:01.460 which was really an anti-American state.

03:15:04.040 And anyway, I may have to refute a lot of this argument somehow, someday, in French also. 0.56

03:15:13.020 But nonetheless, the thing is with the white guilt. 0.83

03:15:18.940 This is a thing that I think is really strong in the Anglosphere. 0.66

03:15:22.320 And because of our victimized nationalism, it really takes less ground in Quebec because we don't see ourselves as dominant.

03:15:32.840 How could we see ourselves as dominant as a minority within the British Empire and within North America next close to the American Empire?

03:15:44.020 We, you know, this big country, this super powerful country, we're dominant?

03:15:49.000 We're not dominant.

03:15:50.460 We're a small thing that tried to survive, you know.

03:15:53.440 So when immigrants or left-wing groups try to, you know, to make us guilty of this white guilt, we're like, meh, not really.

03:16:08.320 Like, sure, it catches a little bit of the population.

03:16:13.620 There's always a part of the population that is sensible to this discourse.

03:16:17.340 But we have more defense against it than, let's say, the British or the French or the Americans or, you know, the big nations.

03:16:27.860 Because that's also a thing. 1.00

03:16:29.860 When you're a big nation, when you talk to a Frenchman, for example, okay, you say, well, you know, you got a lot of Africans and the Islamization of your country. 0.94

03:16:38.740 And, you know, for the Frenchman normies, France cannot disappear, cannot happen. 0.97

03:16:44.920 It's too big.

03:16:46.620 It's a large country.

03:16:48.560 It's a powerful country.

03:16:50.160 You know, they have temple to the glory of Napoleon.

03:16:53.920 France is not going to disappear.

03:16:56.220 So they don't have this anxiety of the French-Canadian.

03:17:00.140 We're anxious.

03:17:01.760 We know that we're a small thing.

03:17:04.020 We know, you know, I mean, you know, the story of the Acadian,

03:17:09.760 it's not a good story.

03:17:11.160 The story of Franco-Manitoban, it's not a good story.

03:17:14.300 The story of French Canadian to Louisiana, that's not a good story.

03:17:18.000 We know what can happen to us.

03:17:20.560 We can disappear.

03:17:21.560 We know it.

03:17:22.760 So we know that there's this fragility of the Quebec nationalism.

03:17:30.840 The problem is everything is now rooted, this left-wing nationalism is rooted into the language and secularism.

03:17:41.440 as i said in my uh dominion society speech and the problem with that is that we realize that bringing

03:17:47.920 in algerians and malians well it creates you know new problems but when i was raised in the 90s you 0.75

03:17:57.440 know i'm born in a 1984. i was raised in the 90s uh in quebec we saw france as racist oh they have

03:18:06.000 problem with Algerians because France is colonial and racist and, you know, they don't accept

03:18:12.680 diversity. And we Quebecers, oh, we're so great. It's going to be so great. Then, you know, 30

03:18:19.720 years after that, we're like, oh, we have the same problems. Then France, what's going on?

03:18:24.840 Well, what's going on is you bring population that are non-Western, that don't share the same 0.97

03:18:31.400 civilization and it creates a clash i'm sorry that's the reality there's a clash of civilization 0.66

03:18:37.800 not the way necessarily as huntington thought it in the geopolitical sphere but um the domestic

03:18:46.280 sphere the clash of civilization it's not between necessarily you know uh qatar or you know jordan

03:18:54.920 and the united states of america because you know they're you know saudi arabia is basically a vassal

03:18:59.960 state of the united states more or less so the clash of civilization although i think that

03:19:04.920 huntington was right on a lot of levels okay don't get me wrong but it was more nuanced than what he

03:19:09.960 said i believe in his in his book um the clash of civilization is within our own countries that's 1.00

03:19:16.680 the problem and you know 25 years after 9 11 what do we got we got more muslim in the western country

03:19:24.840 more islamic um accommodation the veil veiled women are not are now normalized i mean 0.97

03:19:35.160 did it change everything 9 11 well not at all okay the you got i mean you got a you got a muslim

03:19:42.040 mayor in new york what's going on so and we have the same problem come back and it takes only really

03:19:54.680 one generation for anything

03:19:57.100 to become normalized. Things become normalized

03:19:59.340 very, very fast.

03:20:00.680 Exactly.

03:20:03.360 Unfortunately, we're coming up

03:20:05.200 to our time right now, and the only reason is

03:20:06.900 we're recording this at a bit of a different time

03:20:09.220 than I usually do, and I need to get my kid up 0.98

03:20:11.400 and take her out.

03:20:14.140 But I just want to say

03:20:15.100 this has been a phenomenal...

03:20:17.060 We could talk for three hours about this.

03:20:19.360 We should.

03:20:20.460 I want to have you back because

03:20:22.880 there's so much more i got notes for days and we ended up covering over the course of the past few

03:20:28.660 years uh quite a bit of quebec history and uh trying to get our hands on quebec nationalist

03:20:35.880 thinkers and so this i want to continue down that path um so i threw up your website i'm going to do

03:20:43.080 that one more time let's make sure we get no this is nomos tv yep uh here we go so people check

03:20:49.420 that that's probably the only place people can really catch you that's your hub of content

03:20:54.060 correct yeah exactly exactly because we've been banned from uh youtube and paypal from the uh

03:20:59.360 canadian nga network so uh yeah that's what uh and there's a yeah yeah yeah so of course it's

03:21:04.540 in french but if you want to if you if you're not fluent in french you can follow me on x

03:21:10.440 and uh because of this uh this miracle of translation automatic translation you can read

03:21:17.140 me on x basically well and also i just get it's translated in english automatically i've wrote

03:21:25.220 this in french that's perfect yeah or if people want to learn french just read it in the french

03:21:30.360 and figure it out you can do it it's not that different than english really open to to uh you

03:21:35.940 know to uh uh two navigators and you can read one in english and french and then you compare

03:21:41.440 yeah but uh people check check that out he's got amazing content out there and i want to thank you

03:21:48.480 once again for taking the time to sit down i want to have you back again and um one thing thank you

03:21:54.060 so much and have a well and is there anything else that i missed that you would like to include in

03:21:59.160 this anything you'd like to plug no no listen uh uh i mean i think we gotta we gotta talk to one

03:22:04.680 another i'm i'm i might work on this theory but i believe that the western world in general will

03:22:12.420 probably fall or or you know get through this together so i'm i'm not on i not only i think

03:22:20.300 we should speak to one another and you know get beyond resentment between anglos and and francos

03:22:26.940 in canada but also we should we should talk to other westerners we you know the i think we're

03:22:33.660 in in the fifth century and rome is collapsing and we may try to save it we may try to renew it

03:22:41.820 but we got to talk to one another otherwise we're we're we're just going to fall and i know it's

03:22:48.960 difficult i know everyone gets its own national you know identity national problems and national

03:22:55.640 resentment towards one another but we got to get passed over this and uh we got to get to sorts

03:23:02.140 things up honestly i know there's a lot of american nationalists and identitarians who've

03:23:07.200 made various attempts in the past to get relationships with europe i think they ran into

03:23:13.240 some difficulty because they're american and europeans just don't like them there may very

03:23:17.980 well be more opportunities for canadians to go down the same path and uh we've had great luck

03:23:23.820 with speaking to uh the uk and in ireland and whatnot um and i'm i mean even with our show

03:23:31.080 we've got people from internationalists from eastern europe and and all over the place and so

03:23:37.300 maybe the fact that we're canadian helps yeah it's less threatening for them of course yeah

03:23:44.480 anyway thank you again so much and we'll talk soon well it was a pleasure thanks for having me

03:23:50.420 and uh and yes we will talk to one another i'm sure

03:24:01.080 scrambled eggs and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you pegs

Blood Satellite - October 02, 2026

I am Just a Traveling Man and This Right Here is my Traveling Hand

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