00:41:59.460it's on the narwhal um the the title is it isn't arson colon untangling climate misinformation
00:42:09.240around canada's raging wildfires now just here's how they start and and this is very this will
00:42:16.020echo a lot of the narratives you'll hear from the people denouncing our side so it says space lasers
00:42:24.280That's the reason some people gave for the catastrophic burning of Lytton, B.C. in 2021 after a historic heat wave set a new temperature in Canada.
00:42:32.940And while that idea seems wild, it wasn't even the first time the conspiracy theory had been floated.
00:42:38.420So it almost seems quaint that a not insignificant chorus of Canadians blamed the current wildfires sweeping across much of the country on climate activists and laserless government operatives willing to drive into the woods and strike a match.
00:42:53.860And what they're specifically talking about is Alberta Premier Daniel Smith, Danielle Smith, rather, who they say she blamed arson for the wildfires.
00:43:05.880If you actually look at the quote, all she said was, we're calling in an investigation and the investigation is looking into arson as a possible cause.
00:43:14.840Because even if you had no evidence of it, you always do that because it's almost always arson historically.
00:43:21.280like it's due diligence to always investigate fires because they're usually arson yeah and that
00:43:28.440they when they will not give allow us to even have arson they will try and find a cause for this and
00:43:35.980their cause they give is lightning strikes that all of these fires simultaneously were caused by
00:43:42.020lightning strikes and here's um in this very same article in the narwhal it says how did the 2023
00:44:17.860So, lightning strikes have an outsized impact, according to Natural Resources Canada, because they can occur in remote, less populated areas.
00:44:27.620Humans do cause the majority of wildfires, just over half, but they tend not to be part of a balaclava crowd of ne'er-do-wells and extremists.
00:44:38.100So, I don't even need to explain it, but let's explain it.
00:44:41.420So it's like, hey, Jamie, pull up the graphic of arsons, which, you know, where the culprit is found and those which are just known to be arson.0.96
00:44:48.420It's like you don't know whether or not they were wearing a fucking balaclava, do you?
00:44:51.740Because they're like the 12 percent of them that we find are wearing balaclavas and the other 50 percent, which we know are arson.0.98
00:44:58.500We never fucking catch the guy, which is probably why they keep doing it, because it's easy to get away with.
00:45:03.460Like they literally admit all of this and then they go and take the total opposite.1.00
00:45:10.260Alberta's June 13th update on the wildfire situation showed 368 of 634, which is 58% of the wildfires this year were human caused, which the province says covers everything from recreational fires to agricultural incidents on residential land or outdoor flames caused by people flicking cigarettes.0.98
00:45:33.620so like as this goes on they're like oh yeah okay oh yeah sure human beings cause most of the0.94
00:45:40.380wildfires but you know it's you're trying to say it's it's these fucking balaclava anti-file0.96
00:45:46.280space lasers like no no i just said it's fucking arson all you need is maybe the person who flicked0.98
00:45:52.840that cigarette flicked it on purpose well yet the other thing is is you you do have eco-terrorists0.92
00:45:59.620out there with gasoline lighting dry bush on fire they are doing that but the guys that are
00:46:04.660lighting bush on fire with gasoline aren't then calling the rcmp and saying oh my god i am so
00:46:10.540sorry i just accidentally lit the bush on fire the people with the cigarette the agricultural0.98
00:46:15.740equipment the fucking campfire like imagine you're with your family you have a campfire kids get0.96
00:46:21.040careless bush catches fire you try to put it out it's getting out of control you immediately call0.99
00:46:25.800the fire service that's what fucking happens if it happens normal people who accidentally start a
00:46:31.320fire cause they call the fire service so the fire service now has information on how the fire1.00
00:46:36.200started they didn't have to investigate it right exactly dumb niggers who are burning it down and0.99
00:46:40.920then running away and they have you know their plates covered they're not catching them you're0.99
00:46:45.600essentially catching almost none of the arsonists and they're like well there's a lot of human0.98
00:46:49.920caused fires but no arson fuck you you're just not catching the arsonists yeah it's like sure0.96
00:46:55.160like there's gasoline but they could have just been having a gasoline party there's having a0.98
00:46:59.780gas party it's a it's a bit of a stretch from a good old-fashioned gas party to you know people
00:47:06.440waving an eco flag and 20 000 people marching like like them crafting a preposterous scenario
00:47:13.680to right i don't even need to explain it but people know so here's another article that i found
00:47:18.480very very amusing it's uh by press progress pressprogress.ca this is sort of a journalist
00:47:25.860advocacy group and they have their sights set on true north news which is a fine news establishment
00:47:33.360i would say superior to rebel news but i don't want to get off of that because i agree some people
00:47:39.140there might be something wrong with i like true north i got nothing against them and because they0.58
00:47:43.600they seem to be telling the truth in the situation or something they're not run by an old fat jew are
00:47:47.180they i i don't think so i hope not hope not but so long as they aren't i mean they got that got0.78
00:47:53.400one thing going so yeah there might be an old fat jew in the mix somewhere because you know you
00:47:58.480lift up enough mattresses you're going to find one um so here's the headline far right website
00:48:06.620true north is spreading deceptive information about canadian wildfires the purpose of this
00:48:11.160site is to do like a uh what's that that site um the fact checking site snopes where it's like is
00:48:18.580this true big stamp false pants on fire so conspiratorial video linking wildfires to arson
00:48:26.680deceptively prevents news stories from 2021 and 2022 as if they occur in 2023 so okay just
00:48:33.580uh in a video titled the truth about the canadian wildfires true north presenter harrison faulkner
00:48:41.080alleges there was a coordinated effort to suppress information about the real cause of the wildfires.
00:48:47.880In Alberta, the RCMP have charged one woman with 32 counts of arson
00:48:52.920after she intentionally started several wildfires in late April.
00:48:57.500Later that month, another Alberta man was charged with 10 counts of arson for doing the exact same thing.
00:49:03.560Last week, a 28-year-old woman was arrested by the RCMP on Vancouver Island
00:49:08.000for also setting off a string of fires in the forest.
00:49:11.980A few days ago, Calgary police arrested a man for setting off a brush fire.
00:49:16.460In Nova Scotia, the RCMP believed that three fires in Pictou County were the result of arson.
00:49:22.500And now, according to the Toronto Sun,
00:49:24.300Quebec police are investigating the cause of the wildfires in that province to be arson.
00:49:31.060In Alberta, the RCMP have charged one woman with 32 counts of arson
00:49:35.940after she intentionally started wildfires in late april this uh true north guy says citing a global
00:49:42.100news article that was actually dated in 2021 not 2023 so just to be clear there's a case of a woman
00:49:50.740literally causing arson wildfires the problem is it's from the wrong year apparently and then
00:49:58.100according to this guy later that month another alberta man was charged with 10 counts of arson
00:50:02.340for doing the exact same thing this Faulkner guy added pointing to a news article that described
00:50:06.720events that took place in 2022 again last year not this year rating false so this guy was making a
00:50:15.000video saying look here's two examples of people literally causing wildfires through arson and we0.87
00:50:22.740caught them and we charged them for it and they're saying this guy's conspiratorial piece of shit0.95
00:50:27.640because he he's trying to act like that happened this year he's saying that happened last year0.98
00:50:32.280and the year before and so they gave him a big fat false for conspiratorial thinking when he
00:50:38.580literally pointed to two cases in the last two years where wildfire arson occurred yeah0.94
00:50:44.520third one woman with 32 she started 32 fucking fires before they caught her why does why do
00:50:51.080these places even exist it's like you're totally context free you're just i don't know i don't0.97
00:50:56.840know why i'm surprised it's fucking snopes and here's one uh and this is worse than snopes
00:51:02.420because it's press progress so this is ostensibly like a journalist advocacy organization it's like0.99
00:51:07.280we we you know we're on the side of the truth um instead of just like a couple of fat losers0.91
00:51:12.380sitting in like a house which is what snopes actually is even the national post i'm looking0.97
00:51:17.520at the national post canada's national post and it says are eco-terrorists causing all the fires
00:51:24.600and it's saying the the whole thing about it's lightning of course it's lightning lightning
00:51:31.960causes not even most of the fires but arson is always a feature of any particularly aggressive
00:51:38.560wildfire season and canadio enviro extremists have certainly never shied away from large-scale
00:51:45.040property damage but the balance of the evidence suggests that most of these fires are likely being
00:51:49.620caused by their usual cause lightning so even here to the national post they're admitting
00:51:54.520this has happened before and we have had enviro extremists it's their term not mine
00:52:00.900cool who like causing damage for that but it has to be lightning which is statistically
00:52:07.420less likely than people doing it have you got the is it sorry you said is that national post
00:52:13.820or globe and mail national post that's the national post one right i'm looking through it
00:52:18.220i've got it up here i don't see a link to the quote-unquote evidence yeah so this is a national
00:52:24.020post article saying that there's evidence not presenting any evidence they are they are linking
00:52:29.820to bullshit memes about directed energy weapons but they're not linking to any evidence of it being
00:52:36.460lightning so in evidence in absence of you showing me any evidence now i have to think okay when's0.98
00:52:42.260the last time we had a dry thunderstorm well i don't know it's really fucking rare we did have
00:52:46.580one on tuesday so it's kind of plausible it did happen usually how long do they last i don't know
00:52:52.64015 minutes they're really they're small you know and how often do they cover like 9 000 square
00:52:59.780kilometers in two different provinces never like how about like it's meteorologically impossible0.82
00:53:06.000i mean maybe i'm wrong i'm happy to be wrong show me the fucking satellite data but it's not0.64
00:53:12.000there we have satellites on our side we have satellite data showing that it's not true they're0.94
00:53:18.320saying that we're dumb and that they have evidence that the satellites did show it then show it then0.67
00:53:23.640fucking make give us one give us a doctored image but they won't even do that there's nothing they're0.95
00:53:28.520just calling us dumb and also here's um here's one part from the national post article says the0.99
00:53:34.120reason is simple human caused fires usually crop up in parks or along highways where they're easier0.67
00:53:40.120to put out lightning caused fires not only happen in clusters but they can they can occur in the
00:53:45.700middle of nowhere hundreds of kilometers from the nearest settlement or roadway so that means that
00:53:50.600if for whatever reason a fire didn't occur close to a road they would just automatically assume
00:53:58.540it wasn't human caused because well most you know most of the so if you had just a bit of intent
00:54:05.360to say you know i want to walk a ways away from the road and i want to do it that can detonate
00:54:10.900later maybe there's so many things going on here first of all they're essentially kid gloving the
00:54:16.100eco-terrorists they're saying well look eco-terrorists aren't that bad they never cause
00:54:19.920that much damage they usually just light it in a park where it's easy to put out because they're
00:54:23.200just kids you know and they don't really want to cause damage they just want to draw your attention
00:54:26.080to a really important issue which is climate change it's not that bad it's just parks and
00:54:29.940then on the other hand it's like and you know what uh forest fires caused by lightning it always
00:54:34.340happens in little bursts and controlled areas because there's only a small storm and it's in
00:54:39.300a remote okay so why is it that these fires dozens of them were all scattered across two provinces
00:54:46.340all within a few hours of each other literally thousands of kilometers apart thousands of
00:54:53.220kilometers like if you look at the satellite data you're talking the distance from new york0.91
00:54:57.400to miami that's how far apart these fires are go fucking look at it and it's there's no there's0.78
00:55:04.240no and look it's almost as implausible that it was started by arsonists as lightning because it0.84
00:55:10.200require a level of organization from eco-fascists that we have yet to see but i mean it definitely
00:55:15.620wasn't lightning so and there's people saying that it was nato and this was the next thing i0.92
00:55:20.760was going to say is is it nato is it the fucking federal government that they're trying to push a0.70
00:55:24.980new bill in the next eight months you know that they organize this and i know there's people0.97
00:55:29.320saying that there's guys out there with blue helmets doing all kinds like who knows whether
00:55:31.900that's true but like it seems like they're running cover for this like they're they're pushing really
00:55:38.680really hard at their own detriment to make it seem like it's not arson when it's obviously
00:55:43.220arson and they'll say like why would the eco environmentalists the eco-minded people be doing
00:55:48.600this i would say well that's a good question why are they defacing priceless art visitors at the
00:55:55.780national gallery in london stood stunned as two young activists glued themselves beneath an exhibit
00:56:01.380of vincent van gogh's sunflowers what is worth more art or life is it worth more than food
00:56:10.980worth more than justice the protest went viral making international headlines
00:56:17.060the environmental activists demand no new oil or gas licenses from the british government
00:56:22.980emma brown a spokesperson for just stop oil the group responsible says the shock factor is
00:56:28.340intentional there is that moment where someone goes security and that kind of outrage that people
00:56:34.780feel is justified it is shocking what we're doing if we take action that people can ignore you know
00:56:41.460so if we stood in a park somewhere with some placards and people didn't know about it it
00:56:46.680didn't disturb them they didn't even hear about it that would be a completely ineffective form of
00:56:51.280protest that's what they're doing right now like there's been so many videos of these types of0.96
00:56:57.160people they do this shit all the time they go into art museums and deface art to make a statement0.93
00:57:01.920to get people's attention yeah yeah hundreds of millions of dollars in damage never mind the0.99
00:57:06.040the irreparable damage to our culture right so they have no problem with with this kind of damage
00:57:11.640again this is obvious so them running cover for the eco the eco terrorists is you know it shows
00:57:17.720what side they're on there's something being organized they're clearly okay with destroying
00:57:22.440something beautiful if it gets your attention in fact that seems to be the only thing they're doing
00:57:27.800because there's a younger crop of environmentalists who just like doing this like they're trying to
00:57:33.260wake people up so you know this is right up there i'm just not saying that is what happened but
00:57:38.860you need to have that as part the fact that that's not allowed in the conversation like here's an
00:57:44.680example so in the national post article talks about maxime bernier maxime bernier was pointing
00:57:51.040to an example of an eco-terrorist doing this and says the specific case cited by bernet was a 29
00:57:56.880year old man arrested on april 30th in connection to a string of 10 intentionally set fires in the
00:58:03.160area around cold lake alberta notably the accused exclusively seemed to target buildings cars and
00:58:09.460other human structures and there's a link there to another article from the edmonton journal
00:58:13.500and it outright says that the alberta forestry parks and tourism have been investigating last
00:58:20.260year's multiple wildfires and arsons caused by this guy so it's like so you literally have the
00:58:25.160national was lying and saying this guy didn't like he did cause wildfires you can't say he was just
00:58:31.700burning cars the reason we know this is because the wildfire guys were looking at it because they
00:58:36.240said what's with all these wildfires and they found the guy who did it so but and like the
00:58:42.000attempt to even cover that up like i am like i was not supremely suspicious before but now i'm like
00:58:49.220okay the eco-terrorism environmental terrorism whatever you want to call it that's not a
00:58:55.520big topic on our side and our side it's pretty environmentally conscious i would say we are
00:59:01.640yeah but i'm like i i've never really heard any this ever come up before but it seems like i don't
00:59:08.960know it just seems like a big thing no one's talking about right yeah and it i was trying to
00:59:14.020bring this home but like the idea like you're saying like none of this seemed that suspicious
00:59:19.000until you started seeing the news coverage and you're like wait is there something going on here
00:59:23.700with the way the news is covering this and they're touching on certain topics and others and they're
00:59:27.800covering certain things like what and then you start looking then you start looking at the
00:59:32.180satellite data and it's like okay so there is something else going on here the and so because
00:59:36.220it happened in that way from the get-go the post specifically the government-controlled national
00:59:42.100post and globe and mail and cbc and these other government controlled outlets in canada seem to
00:59:47.160be involved in it and a question i would have for anybody thinking about this because again we don't
00:59:52.440have evidence they're saying they have evidence but they won't show it we don't really have0.95
00:59:55.900evidence we have a bunch of theories and we have people showing doctored videos which is stupid but
01:00:00.000if you just think about it for a second right you have our government and whoever put in the wf0.98
01:00:06.500pushing all of this climate change shit right if they want to push climate change they want to have0.97
01:00:11.180things like wildfires but if it were if it were eco-terrorists and the eco-terrorists were just0.99
01:00:18.960independent actors why would they set wildfires all across Quebec on the same day and not attack
01:00:27.020a Bayer facility that makes glyphosate herbicides or like why would they not attack a Monsanto
01:00:33.180facility that provides fertilizer to monocultured bananas that are destroying the rainforests like
01:00:39.340there's actual if you were an eco i'm not saying you should do this i'm saying if you were an
01:00:44.260eco-terrorist there's all if you're just going to go and set some fires there's all kinds of places
01:00:48.700where you could set fires and like we do actually see fire set in agriculture but they're usually
01:00:53.640just in like holding pens for chickens and food storage facilities for suburban areas that are
01:00:58.700mostly white so you do see a pattern if you want to look at patterns of terrorism related to the
01:01:05.440environment and and also food supply which are not actually focused on you know the damage being
01:01:13.180caused to our environment they're just focused on things that are great news within the narrative
01:01:19.520the wef and the national and the government and the national post and i'm to a point now
01:01:24.800i was already kind of thinking this for the last few years but now seeing the way
01:01:29.380that these wildfires just happened i feel like the majority of these people are hand in glove
01:01:36.580with the government and with the international order that this is all part of the same plan i
01:01:41.300know that seems crazy but like to me it seems obvious now that that is actually what's happening
01:01:46.080yeah if it's not that then i need to hear a better reason because the reason i'm getting
01:01:52.420actually doesn't make any sense and it's strange that this is not allowed in the conversation
01:01:57.920across the board like you're crazy for even entertaining the idea that i'm not even saying
01:02:04.300the government was involved i'm convinced the government's involved because i'm not even
01:02:08.400allowed to talk that maybe it's lone criminals like that's a weird thing i'm not allowed to
01:02:13.280talk about yeah because the government the government's running interference and saying
01:02:16.640there's no way it was criminals so okay usually you're all about blaming the criminals so the
01:02:21.220fact that you're covering them kind of makes me think you were involved right because it makes
01:02:26.720no logical sense that you wouldn't be like
01:15:37.180i treat this in a totally adversarial way i don't believe a word they're saying it's all an op
01:15:43.680however the topic of the op like they've now played their card it's a pandora's box they've
01:15:50.040opened in terms of narrative that they can't close at least not for another 10 15 years if
01:15:54.380they shut up about it right but that means first of all our those of us that believe in ufos we're
01:16:01.280vindicated to some extent and the other thing is it's now a relevant and reasonable topic so
01:16:07.160whether you like it or not whether you think it's distraction or not it's now part of it's now on
01:16:13.000the field of battle either the narrative battlefield now includes ufos so you can tell us to shut up1.00
01:16:19.820but guess what bitch until 2035 we're gonna be talking about ufos now because the fucking u.s0.99
01:16:26.920government has made it the topic so enjoy if it's a psyop then help me deconstruct the psyop and1.00
01:16:34.980explain it right just saying ignore it i'm like no that's fuck you you know what i'll bet you0.99
01:16:40.760anything the same bitches are coming out with their novelty theory about what's going on in0.99
01:16:45.360like karkov region of ukraine right now like who you know what i care even less about than ufos0.99
01:16:51.080is ukraine i don't care i don't fucking care so are you riveted by this tank shipment are you0.99
01:16:58.980like shut the fuck like it's this i don't know like if if it is a psyop then tell me how to0.99
01:17:04.900dissect the psyop or just don't do like i see people routinely complain every fucking day like1.00
01:17:10.880don't you are just falling for this this humiliation ritual you're falling for0.99
01:17:16.400you know this anti-motivation you're getting blackpilled you guys trading who i'm talking
01:17:23.340about specifically is this guy named on twitter because he's like i don't understand why you
01:17:28.580people like i'll share all this bad news just to demoralize each other then like the next day he0.99
01:17:34.720shares like a tweet like look at this bullshit look at this gay shit that we're all like everyone1.00
01:17:40.180fucking does it i don't like the meta commentary i don't like the meta commentary that goes on1.00
01:17:45.500in every political scene where it's like you people do this and then the people saying that1.00
01:17:50.880also just spin their fucking wheels and talk shit and waste their time and just blather on in no0.98
01:17:56.640direction like you don't get to criticize people for being interested in things unless you're1.00
01:18:01.340bringing something interesting to the table right and guess what i got a government official saying0.98
01:18:06.480we're talking to interdimensional beings i want to fucking hear him out i'm not an asshole for0.97
01:18:11.720wanting to hear him out to watch that video you really think the guy who actually watched fast0.99
01:18:17.160accent theaters is not going to at least listen to the government official telling you he's talking
01:18:22.200to aliens chiefly of all i downloaded it i didn't go to theaters good can you imagine paying money
01:18:34.980i haven't been with you in forever that's what i was saying earlier yeah for sure yeah i also
01:18:40.580what okay i don't have a lot of time these days to fit in watching a movie and if i do watch the
01:18:46.920movie i watch it in chunks so that was fast x we actually watched that three parts i had to return
01:18:54.360to fast x yeah because i had to see how it ended that's normal that's that's that's young small
01:19:00.060baby movie watching pattern that small baby and that is that i've i've spent my life on this i
01:19:06.920had one movie to watch this weekend and this was the movie and now it is everyone else's problem
01:19:11.320i'm gonna mine this for something something of substance because i'm at a place in my life
01:19:18.820where i if i waste time i want to take a sniper rifle out and just start shooting wildly because
01:19:26.620time is so precious now so yeah fast x you listening to me do this has saved lives
01:19:32.560and yeah like i watch fast x i want to talk about your dimensional means because that to me is the
01:19:39.760the big underlying the underscore of this entire thing which is that they're introducing again
01:19:47.020into the zeitgeist that we're not dealing with interplanetary beings or dealing with
01:19:51.240interdimensional beings or beings that have such a grasp of travel that they can move between
01:19:57.440dimensions in some way and maybe and they'll say oh so it's a craft maybe it's not a craft0.84
01:20:01.660maybe that's the thing maybe it's a fucking hologram maybe they can send some kind of0.60
01:20:07.260communication that can manifest itself in the corporeal realm that we inhabit and can interface0.97
01:20:13.040with it's not actually a silver ship it's some kind of mirage that can communicate that's
01:20:20.700interesting because historically people would say well how can you know there's no way aliens could
01:20:26.200come here because you know they can't they'd have to reach the speed of light or near the speed of
01:20:31.800light and even then and near the speed of light it would take them 400 years to get the near star
01:20:37.180i'm like this introduces and even if it is just the concoction of the zeitgeist it's the zeitgeist
01:20:46.060staring back at itself maybe this is a hyper reality i don't care i think it's i think it's
01:20:51.120worth talking about yeah i think and maybe it is worth talking about to say it's a it's a
01:20:56.300generative psyop maybe no one's behind the psyop maybe it's a psyop that just emerged organically0.54
01:21:02.620wouldn't that be something let's maybe that maybe that's the fucking conversation but maybe we don't1.00
01:21:07.920get there if a bunch of fucking faggots are saying look away look look towards what doesn't matter1.00
01:21:13.940away i don't want to hear fucking look away i want to talk about interdimensional beings1.00
01:21:18.320sorry ding dong sorry guys saying i bet the guys saying look away are working for the aliens0.98
01:21:26.560someone's working for the aliens it ain't me yeah this whole fucking podcast is us trying0.68
01:21:33.100to get employed by the enemy and we just can't but that's an interesting idea that's something0.55
01:21:40.620to introduce into your worldview like if there was communication between interdimensional like
01:21:46.260interdimensional beings that it's just no travel is required no timeline is required it's just
01:21:51.620instantaneous communication because the the story that this guy is selling is that
01:21:56.520we have communicated with these entities and you have to think okay well how would you communicate
01:22:02.480what's the language is like let's say this is post language let's say it's a different form
01:22:07.580of communication where it's instantaneous and it's in your mind you know i think that movie
01:22:13.140arrival started picking around the edges of what this would be like but yeah why not and maybe
01:22:18.900here here's one maybe talking about this evolves your consciousness and maybe you can do politics
01:22:23.640better so arrival was neat because they're playing and i was trying to bring this up a little bit
01:22:28.780that's a good example so they're playing with this idea like the ship for example is a physical ship
01:22:33.780it has a shape you can see the aliens have a shape you can see it's it's all very real and
01:22:39.700then a lot of the film is actually kind of a interpersonal relations geopolitics play
01:22:44.720um and then the actual twist about the language is very alien but also it's kind of like it's
01:22:52.060philosophical you can kind of understand it it's about modes of thinking and at the very very end
01:22:56.380it's time travel so they did break the rules of physics but not till the very end and they set
01:23:01.860the whole fucking thing up with all of this thing to legitimize it and make it real and very
01:23:05.660scientific so that they can throw time travel in at the end effectively time travel or like0.92
01:23:09.980pre-cognition or whatever anyways my point is part of the reason i think a lot of people don't like
01:23:15.620this is because for you to believe that there is interdimensional beings or there is like super
01:23:23.380advanced ai or especially that there is actually a being that traveled millions of light years from
01:23:29.820another star or however far like it does actually break a lot of the laws of physics and you it's
01:23:36.660kind of like flat earth or hollow earth or whatever like if you want to believe this one
01:23:40.480thing you have to pull on a thread that unravels a lot of other things and so there's some people
01:23:45.420who say ignore it because they think it's dumb there's other people who say fairly ignore it
01:23:51.140because i don't feel like pulling on a thread that unravels my entire reality and i respect that0.86
01:23:57.000but also you know grow some balls because the we're not living in the end of history there's
01:24:02.500a lot more out there still um i why don't you want to pull those threads why don't you want0.85
01:24:08.220to unravel your whole reality maybe that's just the types of guys that we are you know as i'm
01:24:13.160getting older i'm like yeah maybe there's people who don't want to experience mind bending yeah
01:24:18.640sensory overload nonsense where it's like what if everything like but to me i'm like oh if you're
01:24:23.960like a red pill guy did you come to this scene because you like getting new and dangerous
01:24:28.980information yeah or you just here because you're depressed i don't need more depressed people
01:24:34.500i always thought it's funny you know what the fermi paradox is i think i brought it up0.93
01:24:38.300before but fuck is that the one where just tell me okay so fermi paradox is the idea that based
01:24:47.060on drake's equations and a number of other like observations of the universe and things you know0.98
01:24:51.200about evolution and biology there should be aliens everywhere but we don't see them and then the
01:24:55.660question is why so like that book you talked about before the three body so the three body
01:25:00.260principle or whatever three body problem the three body problem talks about the the dark the dark
01:25:04.800forest phenomenon or something so like that's one explanation of the fermi paradox is it's not that
01:25:10.220there aren't aliens out there it's that everybody's quiet because we're like prey animals and the
01:25:14.700galaxy is the woods and there's a couple of giant predators and you either are quiet and you live
01:25:19.760or you're loud and then you quickly die and so that's one explanation but the point is there's
01:25:24.600a million explanations like that some of them are kind of geopolitical some of a lot of them just
01:25:29.220break physics but they don't break they don't break physics in the sense that they disprove
01:25:33.140current physics they just posit theories about the way things could be and we just can't say that0.98
01:25:38.440they're right or wrong and there's certain people that hate that shit and they don't even want to0.99
01:25:42.680talk about it and then there's other people that say like well you know maybe that's interesting0.99
01:25:46.800but then you again you start pulling on this thread and if you pull on that thread then it's
01:25:50.860like well hold on does that mean that half of congress are actually aliens i don't think that0.98
01:25:54.380but i mean some people think that and that's how you get there is is through shit like thinking0.77
01:25:59.240about the about the firm paradox so i think talking about this stuff has a benefit too
01:26:05.980and maybe this is a meta conversation about a meta conversation sure i'll accept that but i think
01:26:12.200there is better there is value in that and maybe you know this is where it intersects with the
01:26:17.460political you know black people you know we record these late at night sometimes i reach for words
01:26:24.020and i come back with nothing but you know like the fact that we are at least able we are a
01:26:31.400demographic we are a an empire the western world that can play around in these waters in this
01:26:38.660sandbox and have some fun with it you know there's a future where we don't get to do that anymore
01:26:43.300this the reason i'm bringing this up is because it's burned in my head this and i wanted to talk
01:26:48.440about it today but i didn't really know how to fit it in but there was this new yorker cover
01:26:55.700that everybody's talking about and it's a highly highly effective new yorker cover um it's
01:27:02.220politically charged and everyone's talking about so that means you know for the first time in a
01:27:06.600wild people are really invested in the new yorker but the cover people might have seen it it's of
01:27:13.100a campground and there's two vehicles on the left it's a truck on the right it's like an suv and on
01:27:19.740the right there's a family getting out a mother father two kids camping gear the father is holding
01:27:25.780two paddles for some kind of kayak or canoe and he's looking over at the other truck no one else
01:27:31.620is there's no humans there but it's a big truck a big red truck with a MAGA bumper sticker on the
01:27:37.840back and all kinds and a cross bumper sticker you know because bumper stickers mean low class of
01:27:44.740course and there's a rifle in the back window and the rifle is pointed at the family so obviously
01:27:50.780you look at that well this is a commentary on middle america MAGA country the deplorables
01:27:57.100a lot of stuff um there seem to be there is a debate going on right now about what specifically
01:28:03.500that means because you could maybe interpret that a few different ways i think my way is correct by
01:28:09.520the way it is correct um yes there's a few things who for people who've seen you can probably look
01:28:14.640it up um the things i would point at there's two things that i would point out one it's important
01:28:21.700to notice how the subject of the criticism in that image is not present which means that the
01:28:28.900subject of the criticism is necessarily dehumanized so you got one side the family looking at the
01:28:35.540symbols on the right and the symbols clearly represent death aggression something scary
01:28:42.260something that is anti-human or pro-death um and and when you don't have a human there associated
01:28:49.620with it it seems like an inhuman thing uh the second thing there's actually three things i
01:28:54.080think of it the second thing is that it's all of these symbols represent white things and that's
01:29:01.360what they're represented as and it's important to note that the family uh that is represented on the
01:29:07.020right hand side of the image is not explicitly white i was going to say that you could kind of
01:29:11.940interpret them as being east asian east asian or hispanic they're just off they're kind of gray
01:29:17.420right and that's on purpose because i heard some people say like oh that's like a white
01:29:22.240liberal white america versus a different dead type of white america i'm like no no no
01:29:26.000the whiteness is on the left the whiteness is what they call flyover country middle america
01:29:31.880all that low-class stuff christianity that's why there's a cross isn't there which means that this
01:29:37.020new america is off-white and secular um so i think that's the way to interpret it as the left
01:29:43.600as being white the other thing that i think is the most important is the the family is is a family
01:29:51.960it's not just an individual so by positioning the the left the whiteness as hostile it's also
01:30:00.600positioned as anti-natal it is anti-family and that is a new twist i think it's important that
01:30:07.680people really focus on because the narrative emerging even from a lot of white boomers over
01:30:16.280the past few decades has been that white people don't like to work i can't get white white people
01:30:21.900don't want to work anymore you know we can't get them to do a hard day's work these young people0.97
01:30:26.860they don't want to work we need to hire immigrants we need migrants we need mexicans we need indians0.68
01:30:31.680and all these people because white people don't want to do the jobs anymore i think we are0.98
01:30:36.540emerging into a new narrative where it's white people don't want to reproduce anymore0.99
01:30:42.420furthermore that white whiteness and that white america is hostile to the family
01:30:49.660because and this is something the gop has i believe fully internalized people will look0.64
01:30:55.680at the republicans and the conservatives and say wow they seem to be really into hispanics
01:31:00.680these days they seem to be really into these other demographics they don't really seem to be
01:31:04.520into white people anymore because i think they have looked at the stats and if we do believe
01:31:09.160that demographics are destiny and they are they look at the white birth rates correctly are either
01:31:14.580flatlining or falling they look at these other groups that are expanding on their birth rates
01:31:18.180and they're they're placing a bet and their bet is on the in their mind the more pro-natal side
01:31:24.320and i think within a few years we will see the narrative twist a little bit more that white
01:31:31.940people are not only not hard working they don't even want to reproduce so and this is where this
01:31:38.840thing called the great replacement becomes celebrated it becomes celebrated and white0.99
01:31:43.680people start getting mocked for not even want to fuck each other anymore not even wanting to have0.98
01:31:48.160families and in fact keep an eye out for this this is look i'm doing what i'm not supposed to do i'm0.82
01:31:54.000making a prediction but keep your mind open when you hear this that if there is a larger pushback
01:32:01.920against woke culture specifically the lgbt element of it it will be successfully staged from0.99
01:32:11.500hispanic catholicism and muslims and upon their victory all of this woke lgbt shit will be blamed0.99
01:32:21.160on white people it already kind of is the trans phenomena even though there are black there's more1.00
01:32:29.560black transgender people than white ones largely this lgbt shit is getting blamed on white people1.00
01:32:35.640and if there ever is a pushback my concern is that a lot of the most egregious shit will be1.00
01:32:42.340blamed on like white people that it was never the minorities who wanted this up they were tricked by0.99
01:32:47.480white people and that will be the final middle in the coffin of sort of the anti-natalism of0.96
01:32:54.080whiteness that they've been pushing homosexuality on the poor minorities this entire time the0.95
01:32:59.720minorities that now outnumber the whites and i think that is something i haven't talked about
01:33:05.720or really prepared for and what i'm trying to say is that you know back to the main point
01:33:10.160we're going to be the last generation of people want to talk about the interesting stuff you know
01:33:16.060our demographic if it does die out get ready for the fast x west you know like you you as the meta
01:33:26.420conversation the meta conversation won't get to exist anymore and i think that actually is
01:33:30.940important because i think that opens your mind it's we'll be living in a demographically tilted
01:33:36.120world where no one's discussing anything interesting anymore they'll only be discussing
01:33:42.360materialistic stuff and it's only going to be like food and water and shit but then
01:33:45.540like we're i don't know that that's the the more i looked at i was just reminded of that poster0.89
01:33:50.640of like you know this this is the the the rising tide it's not just migrants it's it's the birth
01:33:59.040rate and it is what i believe is going to be an a true anti-white celebration that's going to like
01:34:05.000grind the remaining morale of our side into the dust and i i don't i actually don't know what to
01:34:12.340do about that and that that's what i'm just saying like this is something that i see happening
01:34:16.420and it's interesting to use the new yorker cover as an indication of that i don't know if you'd
01:34:21.900seen the original but the artist after this became it blew up the artist had posted their
01:34:27.200original drafts of the illustration not the ones that were used but the earlier drafts and the
01:34:30.680earlier drafts actually do show a family for the for the magapede you know for the right winger
01:34:36.620shows a father and a daughter and then they decided that they would they didn't want that
01:34:42.160version they wanted the version where the family wasn't there and they have the guy casting a
01:34:46.620wayward glance over his shoulder at an empty truck so like don't don't think for a minute
01:34:52.140that this isn't on their minds as well like this isn't just us being conspiracy theorists this is
01:34:57.200already a narrative even though it isn't their primary narrative we're going in that direction
01:35:02.420i mean what do you think like five years ten years before they start playing hard into this or what
01:35:06.700not to make a prediction but like are you think we're close to it i think so because the way
01:35:12.140I see them talk about at one point in the past they would talk about white people and then they
01:35:18.080switched over the past I'd say 10 years to sort of an academic deconstruction of whiteness and that
01:35:24.500see in their minds that allows them to permit themselves to use overtly hostile language like
01:35:29.900we need to destroy whiteness but the trick there is that if whiteness is something that needs to
01:35:36.300destroyed white people once you dehumanize them they're just avatars of whiteness you've removed0.98
01:35:42.320the white people from the conversation entirely you just have whiteness and these people that0.97
01:35:48.020seem to embody whiteness but they they're less than people in their views if he's if people will0.72
01:35:54.620post these articles from like the root or something like that where oh it's black people calling for0.65
01:36:00.020white genocide oh that's just one website i'm like there was a time where one website would0.99
01:36:04.840fucking be enough yeah there is a time where if there was one news article calling for all white1.00
01:36:09.380people to die it would be a national fucking uproar that's it it's an interesting way to0.99
01:36:13.540to frame it as well and you're absolutely right that they they dehumanize us and they detach the0.98
01:36:19.300concept of whiteness from us as a race and they make it a philosophical issue and we're just the
01:36:23.860avatars and they destroy the avatars but even after we'll go we're gone they'll still want to
01:36:28.940destroy whiteness and maybe it's very liberal of me but the bigger tragedy seems to be the
01:36:33.360destruction of whiteness in the abstract not of our race because i mean it's maybe it's because
01:36:40.360i'm a white supremacist i don't think i'm a white supremacist but like most of what makes
01:36:44.780the world great are the things that they've decided fall into the category of whiteness
01:36:50.460like most of what we qualify as like civilization and progress is whiteness so it's one thing if
01:36:57.020they exterminate us racially but it's another thing if they say like coming to work on time1.00
01:37:01.680and algebra is is whiteness like shit man are you serious that's where you get the spiteful mutant0.99
01:37:08.200hypothesis going in there and sort of the dysgenic like there's a lot of different components to this0.99
01:37:14.160but yeah that's you know maybe that's a bummer to end i just wanted to talk because there's still
01:37:20.940people talking about that cover and what it means but i don't think there's a way to interpret that
01:37:25.600without a demographic angle some people will look at it as the positive that they look at the family
01:37:32.560on the right and they think that's white so it's all it's like a new they're we're cutting separating
01:37:36.020the wheat from the chaff we're getting rid of yeah we can the deplore we can agree a minimum
01:37:40.080interpretation would be that it's like you know which way western man type question but like i
01:37:44.820agree with you also that it's very not only is it specific that if you draw it right down the middle
01:37:51.120you have values represented on the left so if we're gonna say you know 1985 ford with a double
01:37:57.540barrel shotgun maga nra and christ and a rusted tailgate that's one side well what's on the other
01:38:03.860side outdoor activities minivan and a family with tfr you know a family with replacement of one
01:38:12.400minimum like almost the centerpiece of the right hand column is family so if you think this is a
01:38:19.200political statement and we know from the previous draft that it is because they edited it to make
01:38:23.560it look like this this is not only includes themes of anti-natality it actually that's probably the
01:38:30.260primary theme so yeah and my fear is that i think some people kind of know this a lot of people on
01:38:38.360the right especially the white nationalist types would do like they'll miss us when they're when
01:38:42.920we're gone you know like once we have a competence crisis right now i'm like i'm sure there is a0.99
01:38:48.640confidence crisis everything's gonna suck once white people aren't allowed to run everything
01:38:53.500but i'm like yeah but that's south america south america is still there yeah yeah so people talk0.97
01:38:58.820about the brazilification of america i'm like yeah that's that's probably gonna happen there's
01:39:02.980still brazil you know but it's just so we'll have brazil but more nukes and you know you'll probably
01:39:11.620have a few white guys will be touting around saying you know i i get to be in new hampshire
01:39:18.280this kind of reminds me of it but like overall it's going to get way shittier and no one's0.71
01:39:23.880there's there's gonna be no period where anyone's gonna say i really miss white people being here0.98
01:39:28.220because at that point you're gonna be so fucking demonized that you're gonna be afraid to say0.98
01:39:32.040that's what you are and you're gonna grow from like i'm not white i'm creole and again i know0.99
01:39:37.120we're supposed to be really callous towards them but it is kind of a kind of a white man's burden
01:39:43.640thing like i don't want the world to look like that you know i don't want them to suffer i
01:39:47.880certainly don't want to suffer and i don't want my family and my race to suffer but like i don't
01:39:52.240want the world to have a competency crisis you know what i mean like we don't we don't just want
01:39:57.880jobs because we feel disenfranchised we want jobs because we miss the days when the world actually
01:40:02.600worked correctly like i miss the buses being on time don't you like i don't care what race you
01:40:08.440don't you miss the buses being on time and even if you don't i'm i'm wishing that for you you know
01:40:14.060maybe you don't even understand the value of the buses and trains running on time but i do and it
01:40:19.180is good for you so i'm trying to bring it back you know it's interesting this actually gels with
01:40:25.360the book i wanted to talk about um and i'd like to talk about now i think it's relevant especially
01:40:30.620the part i'm going to talk about right at the start um i'm going to try and get this out it's
01:40:34.740a pretty short book and that's why i think i could fit it in i was going to pair this with another
01:40:39.560much longer book i'm just going to save that one until the next episode but it it's a launching
01:40:44.840point this book right now is a launching point to the next one the book is called heartland
01:40:49.660uh three essays on geopolitics by halford mckinder and halford mckinder is a very famous
01:40:57.680geopolitical thinker um it says halford mckinder's ideas have shaped international politics to this
01:41:04.160day and his concept that world domination depends on the control of a global pivot area or heartland
01:41:11.000the center of the large land mass of europe and asia has informed the political tactics and wars
01:41:17.260of in the middle east and in eastern europe throughout the decades so it's a very very short
01:41:23.160book but it touches on a lot of stuff we were just talking about in a new ways to conceptualize
01:41:29.040power structure of geopolitics because this is we're continuing on the uh what i call our
01:41:35.740geopolitics arc right now it started with the previous two books on china and it's related to
01:41:41.800an earlier book we discussed by john meersheimer the tragedy of great power politics so i would
01:41:45.980encourage people to go back and listen to that clip because offensive realism has a lot to do
01:41:52.160with what we're going to talk about now sort of almost not post-national but in a way post-national
01:41:57.940It's understanding the conflicts of the world, not just from the perspective of conflicts between nations, but sort of these broader power structures that seem to have their roots deeper in human history.
01:42:11.760And we're really going to get into that next episode, but this one kind of sets it up.
01:42:16.260so he starts off by saying something really interesting here he says even though uh european
01:42:25.300conquest seems to define the world and this would have been written in the early 20th century a lot
01:42:31.220of these books on geopolitics were pretty old that we're going to get into early 20th century mid
01:42:35.94020th century but they're still relevant he says even though european conquest defines the world
01:42:41.140especially in the modern globalized area european history historically was subordinate to asiatic
01:42:48.420history um and we kind of got into this when we were talking about the mongols we were talking
01:42:53.700about the huns and i think over the past few episodes we've made a case that even though a
01:42:59.120lot of historians like like to focus on the west even guys like spengler and even guys like julius
01:43:04.100avola they took a wider scope and had us look more at india and more at asia subordinate is a pretty
01:43:10.140strong word though he was saying that in the sense that europe was basically forced to unify
01:43:17.220against asiatic invasion that's the angle he was taking at one at one in one period of history yeah
01:43:23.340well he was saying that that's that is the mongol invasion like a lot of and that is also
01:43:29.080the vikings are not you know asiatic but in the same way that the vikings forced england to unify
01:43:36.140this is where we also get you know the um the islamic jihad and the reaction of the crusades
01:43:42.460and then the pushback against the mongols and the so the claim is making that oftentimes it was
01:43:48.740a eurasian asian encroachment into europe that forced europe to kind of unify in ways that
01:43:56.280europe has always found it difficult to unify and when it has unified it's been against
01:44:01.760an exterior invasion says a repellent personality performs a valuable social function in uniting
01:44:09.400his enemies and it was under the pressure of external barbarism that europe achieved her
01:44:14.060civilization i ask you therefore for a moment to look upon europe and european history as
01:44:19.300subordinate to asia and asiatic history for european civilization is in a very real sense
01:44:24.200the outcome of the secular struggle against asiatic invasion that's in short and i i think
01:44:29.920Okay, no, I agree with that. That does make sense, actually.
01:46:39.140they still operate with this model in mind.
01:46:41.800It's the belief that within Eurasia, this massive landmass of Eurasia, there's this place called the heartland, and the control of the heartland is essential.
01:46:53.240And Russia, historically, has always been the dominant force in the region.
01:46:59.080The thesis divides the supercontinent into two regions.
01:47:02.840The inner crescent are Rimlands and the heartland.
01:47:05.760The Rimlands, consisting of Arabia, Western Europe, India, and East Asia, make up only
01:47:12.660one-fifth of the world island's area but house four-fifths of its population. Using
01:47:18.060Mackinder's earlier logic, this region ought to be the place from which to attempt world island
01:47:22.800domination. And indeed, Mackinder freely admits that in his day, the Rimlands were the more
01:47:31.200powerful part of the world island. This was because the period from 1500 to 1900 saw great
01:47:37.280advances in naval technology. Better ships let coastal Rimlanders travel faster and farther
01:47:43.040than anything on land, giving them large strategic flexibility. This meant that Rimlanders could
01:47:49.520bypass defenses, strike rear areas, and wreak havoc before land powers could even respond.
01:47:55.520Thus able to choose their battles, Rimland powers during this period had nothing to fear from land
01:48:00.400armies and could therefore create their empires with little risk. But even then, the Rimlands
01:48:06.400could not dominate the world island. After all, they had not touched the heartland.
01:48:11.840And so there's this idea, especially if people just start paying attention to politics right now,
01:48:17.080that animosity towards Russia is kind of a new thing, a random thing, or a materialist thing,
01:48:24.000or some kind of echo of Soviet hostility,
01:48:28.660when, as we'll see in the next episode,
01:48:32.540we've been fighting against Russia for centuries,
01:52:55.640It was always trying to push back and bring in more territory and kind of define what they call the optimum of conquest.
01:53:02.940Like, how far can you expand before it actually doesn't make sense that you can expand, where the pushback is too great.
01:53:11.620He says, it is probably one of the most striking coincidences of history that the seaward and the landward expansion of Europe should, in a sense, continue the ancient opposition between Roman and Greek.
01:53:23.220Few great failures have had more far-reaching consequences than the failure of Rome to Latinize the Greek.
01:53:28.960The Teuton was civilized and Christianized by the Roman.
01:53:35.720It is the Roman Teuton who in later times embarked upon the ocean.
01:53:40.000It was the Greco-Slav who rode over the steppes conquering the Terranian.
01:53:44.500Thus the modern land power differs from the sea power no less in the source than its ideals than in the material conditions of its mobility.
01:53:51.440Basically what he's saying is that the civilizational difference in Europe versus Russia goes back to ancient Rome.
01:54:01.160that there was a great diversion of these great civilizations and that the Slavic mindset
01:54:05.900developed as like a uniquely land-based thing. And then, you know, the Roman mindset developed
01:54:11.700into more of a seafaring thing. And the opposition between sort of this heartland area of Russia
01:54:19.160and Europe is so distinct that it's like a religious division in itself. And we'll get
01:54:25.820to this later when we talk about um the clash of civilizations and remaking the world order by
01:54:31.560samuel huntington but it's like you know this division between russia and europe has always
01:54:37.500existed and it's it's on almost like a biological level because some people say like oh russia is
01:54:43.580kind of like european it's like it's so different it's insane and it's almost like there could
01:54:50.460really be no collaboration it's to the point where you have to look at europe and america
01:54:55.740as a western civilization and russia can never it can never be it can never be part of western
01:55:03.460civilization it's always destined to be in conflict with the west and and this is a fight
01:55:09.580that's been going back like a thousand years it's a war over the same what they call a pivot area
01:55:15.940this like crescent of nations around Russia and around Europe in the in-between and fighting for
01:55:22.900that area. And the control of the pivot area defines who controls the entirety of Eurasia.
01:55:31.760This is essentially what we're talking about here. So when you look at the war in Ukraine,
01:55:37.140the war in Ukraine might not make a lot of sense to people. If you're really looking at it from
01:55:41.300the bird's eye view, you could talk about, you know, it's a political thing, but really what it
01:55:45.280is it's a war over a pivot area and people will kind of get a notion that it's nato expansion
01:55:51.960yes it is nato expansion but what is nato expansion well it's europe it's european
01:55:57.520expansion and at the same place it's been expanding for like 500 years to contain russia
01:56:03.960because we both we live in a world of offensive realism where russia is always going to expand
01:56:10.880The thesis starts with a simple observation.
01:56:15.240After 1900, there would be no more empty political space in the world.
01:56:20.020All lands would now be politically connected to some degree, with political events in London
01:56:24.780having consequences in China and South America.
01:56:28.540This much was obvious in the age of imperialism, but what was less obvious was that the relationship
01:56:33.460also held in reverse, with political events in South America or China having an impact
01:56:39.880The thesis argues against regional politics. Politicians cannot be concerned simply about the balance of power in Europe or East Asia. They have to consider these things on the global scale, if only because there was one region, generally ignored by leaders on the eve of World War I, that held the key to world domination.
01:56:58.360and that's something i'd like to kind of say here like when people what the heartland theory
01:57:06.560is what guides most geopolitical thinking on a base level it is this understanding that
01:57:13.460you're living in a fantasy world if you think that russia is just gonna be chill
01:57:20.640and i'm not anti-russian by any stretch of the imagination i'm not pro-nato we've established
01:57:27.380that on the show but russia knows that europe is going to be expanding into this sort of pivot area
01:57:35.860this crescent area of these these these other nations in eastern europe in the middle east
01:57:40.660the same war over centuries and then europe knows that russia is going to be trying to control them
01:57:46.000either militarily through conquest or through economic means or through the control of the
01:57:53.580elites that's happened in the past you know that was happening like the 16 and 1700s russia was
01:57:58.640like funding dissident movements it's the same thing that's been happening for hundreds of years
01:58:04.200it's the same war but it's like this nato versus russia thing is never going to end it's it's the0.76
01:58:11.280same fucking war and first of all what do you think of what i'm saying so far some of it might0.80
01:58:16.580be it might be a lot of information being thrown at you but what do you think about this so far0.98
01:58:20.320no i uh i like it i kind of agree it reminds me of um mckinder's uh what is it the great game or
01:58:28.220i forget what it's called but yeah this idea that there there's a couple of a couple of core spaces
01:58:32.800and civilizations that have been more or less constant regardless of language or name or
01:58:38.480whatever for thousands of years and we haven't figured that out so it is funny to hear people
01:58:43.380talk about russia as if they're almost part of europe or something yeah it's you have to step
01:58:50.880back and look at the map of the world as like this huge chunk is a pivot area then there's the
01:58:56.080internal crescent around it and that's it's it's a war for these key areas and these key areas they
01:59:03.260have the resources they have the people but you know they have the trade routes these trade routes
01:59:08.740are important but you have to realize that whoever controls this area essentially controls the world
01:59:16.240in a lot of ways like whoever has dominance in this sort of crescent of power can can make
01:59:22.820everything else fall around it i mean right now there is sort of a rough civilizational balance
01:59:29.360between them and i could this is kind of what i was getting at it's like the way to conceptualize
01:59:33.360this war of the pivot areas like you have the way there is no america people like oh america
01:59:39.180europe is in the american sphere of influence that's true there's only the west there's this
01:59:45.320broad civilizational empire people call it the greater american empire they call it the gay
01:59:51.160they call it atlanticism it's the west the west is one holistic civilization
01:59:56.680the question is whether or not you incorporate south america into that i say no in the next
02:00:02.74015 years maybe you start to see that but right now there's the west and the west is against
02:00:08.220what is essentially like the slavic world russia you know and then there's the cynic world that's
02:00:15.240china that's a whole different civilization that they don't get along but they understand that they
02:00:21.120can get along if up against the west and just like russia it's trying to figure out how many of these
02:00:27.840former Soviet bloc countries, how many of these Slavic countries will permit being in the Russian
02:00:34.340sphere of influence. They rolled the dice and said that can be Ukraine. And we're seeing that
02:00:38.400occur right now. But you need to conceptualize this as a civilizational struggle occurring in
02:00:44.720a pivot area that has geopolitical significance for the entirety of Eurasia, for the entire
02:00:52.840continent and who and it has never really occurred that one power has controlled the entire continent
02:01:01.020but it could um and it's always occurred that when russia has gotten close a few times
02:01:07.640russia has gone right up into the edge of take becoming big and significant enough that it could
02:01:14.980just pile drive europe but then there's usually when that happens there's enough unity among the
02:01:21.380other powers that they can unify momentarily to contain russia this is the containment strategy
02:01:26.280you'll hear you know containment theory brought up a lot but um just to make sense of what's going on
02:01:32.380like you're seeing a demographic civilizational fight that things start to make a lot more sense
02:01:40.660once you view like that like it's not just putin it's not just one guy it's not one megalomaniac
02:01:46.680if you take the farther view of history
02:15:59.420Or, I mean, if it's a success and it's the best episode we've ever done, I would like to also take a little bit of credit for that, too.
02:16:06.000See, this is why I hate having him here, because when I talk about him, now he is also here to be like, actually.
02:16:11.240If he wasn't here, think of all the stuff that this would have gone so much smoother if I just said a thing about him.
02:16:16.880and we just let it sit there and grow into a wise oak that brings up the important question which is
02:16:23.120uh judas do you listen to the show you know if you're not on the segment yeah well i mean because
02:16:28.720they're all appended to the end of the interview so i do i and you know what was the one the last0.68
02:16:33.980one that you did and i feel like a dick because i can't remember the fellow there's not the black
02:16:38.540horse black horse it was black horse that was really good i love these so i mean and i don't
02:16:42.840know i don't read as much as dimes does so i mean i don't think i'm super useful in a lot of these
02:16:47.740but i know i love the i love our show so i know you might be more useful than me on this episode
02:16:54.080and before we get into the topic i had to just mention how close to uh failure we are now because
02:17:01.820i kind of just want to talk about lauren southern's divorce
02:17:05.460i got an earful for my wife in the car we were in the home depot we come back out and like the0.95
02:17:11.600whole drive she we're talking about fucking lauren southern so okay just before we go jay uh take a0.95
02:17:18.160seat for a second uh what is judith's wife saying about this i need to get this oh she just judith's1.00
02:17:25.420wife what are you saying about lauren southern just she's a dumb whore and she should it's a0.99
02:17:30.280the whole thing you know what was we're joking about um the the the vtuber not vtuber like a0.99
02:17:36.080youtube vlogger thing where they're like oh i had to record this eight times you guys don't
02:17:42.560understand every time i tried to record it i started to cry and i needed to try again and1.00
02:17:48.880like but i think the last two videos she's done it's been this dramatic bullshit like bitch you're0.98
02:17:52.820not relevant anymore i record this eight times it's like no if if it starts going bad stop and1.00
02:17:58.760then restart again you don't need to record the whole fucking thing yeah maybe you're just bad0.94
02:18:03.000at producing videos i don't know maybe it's that too you know there's there's this thing called0.98
02:18:06.420editing so you could like cut out the part where you're crying you don't got to redo the whole0.94
02:18:10.800fucking thing unless you're lying unless you're a lying person or unless you're going to release0.91
02:18:16.480an unedited full cut with all of them as like bonus material uh for new year's eve or something0.99
02:18:22.460we're literally doing the thing that i'm not supposed to do because we got a good guest here
02:18:25.640okay sorry sorry sorry i'll put it this way as uh as the classic uh child of divorce i would
02:18:31.740really appreciate if my parents had put together a director's cut you know that's actually a very
02:18:39.240poignant point like you imagine this is a generation that is witnessing parent because
02:18:45.040these aren't celebrities let's start with that let's start with these people are kind of
02:18:50.440influencers so if you were like a shelly duvall i'm just saying that because i read about her
02:18:55.760before the show i'm like yeah you're a celebrity so you read about your parents divorce in the
02:18:59.420press but now this isn't like journalists hounding you you're you're releasing not just a press
02:19:04.900release but like a director's cut tearful press release an ugly press release on your divorce and
02:19:11.220that that's something kids are gonna have to live with i don't know what it's like to be a kid who's
02:19:16.700gotta look back on this like my mom for no reason told the world about the divorce and got into like
02:19:22.700weird scummy details about the minutiae of the argument you know i mean anyway that just well i
02:19:29.040feel like the ultimate example of that is right it's like the only fans girls you know where it's
02:19:33.000like what happened to that one you know the one the one that was the most famous the one who did
02:19:38.820the cross-eyed you know bel delphine bel delphine what happened to bel delphine and i mean that on
02:19:45.260like i don't that's not a short story i heard is she went from the blogger whatever gamer girl0.98
02:19:51.500to only fans to like rape porn and then to like black porn and now she's all used up like an old0.96
02:19:59.700tissue and nobody cares that's my what i heard you know it's such as a catholic i know that i0.98
02:20:06.140know where she ends up she ends up as a recent catholic convert and i gotta be like uh-huh
02:20:11.640yeah you're saved now oh yeah you're saved all real quick too thank you okay yeah you're just
02:20:17.520like mary yeah uh-huh people are mad at you okay yeah sorry i cut you off there jake no no i was
02:20:25.920just gonna say as a uh as a narrowly defined financial expert i can tell you that uh despite
02:20:32.560what uh what the internet will tell you uh becoming an e-prostitute is not a uh surefire ticket to uh
02:20:38.500long-lasting familial wealth yeah the math doesn't add up no kidding we are going to be dealing and
02:20:44.320i guess this will be good to segue into the actual meat of our discussion um that's a very
02:20:50.560good point in that we've heard murmurs about this from various women that it's only like the one
02:20:56.220percent of the top one percent that make any significant money everyone else is being like
02:21:02.040they would make more money being a street walker like they might as well just be like a cam a cam
02:21:08.300girl from the 90s would have made more money than what some of these only fan girls are making
02:21:12.340and i feel like coming down the pike there's going to be this is going to be men's problem
02:21:18.520eventually it's gonna be everyone else's problem that it'll be a social phenomenon remember those0.99
02:21:23.34010 years where every woman became a prostitute that was that's covid this this is this is whore0.98
02:21:29.540covid we're dealing with right now and everyone's gonna say woof that was kind of crazy and then we0.96
02:21:33.460all are expected to go back to normal i don't know if i have a question in there but i'm just
02:21:37.840wondering like what do you think about the only fans phenomena for i i guess it's uniquely young
02:21:42.920women and i'm not sure i don't know if gay men are on only fans i assume they are but it seems to be
02:21:47.240mainly women right well i i think that it's like the the truly like toxic marriage between like
02:21:57.120feminism and and and capitalism right and look like i'm i'm no commie that that's not my point
02:22:03.820but it is sort of this like horrible mix between like you know the only thing that is right is your
02:22:11.240autonomy right like you you rule over yourself and also like you are an empowered and high status
02:22:18.360person because you can command attention with your body and you should use that to like get
02:22:24.440yourself social advancement you know so it's kind of this like horrible trap right where essentially
02:22:30.320you you're taking someone whose brain is not fully developed right like you are not you were
02:22:35.260technically an adult you were at you're kind of like apex of attraction and like the one of the
02:22:41.800lowest points of your like common sense and basically said like hey if you like make a deal
02:22:47.080with the devil there's a chance you could be a millionaire just roll the dice you know and it's
02:22:52.760like it's sort of like the the inverse of the like you see the same thing people are and oftentimes
02:22:58.940you know the same people who are very pro only fans will say like oh like it's so wrong you can
02:23:03.260send like a military recruiter to a high school or like you know student loans you can give a
02:23:08.140massive loan you know out to you know a 17 or 18 year old kid like that's awful but when it's like
02:23:13.680oh hey like you know a recent high school graduate like can you start an only fans and like ruin your
02:23:19.660entire life for a minuscule chance at like fleeting wealth well of course right that that's
02:23:24.380that's a that's a good and you know a freeing thing to do and obviously like there's a moral
02:23:29.320dimension as well as an economic one but it is essentially like you're right it's going to create
02:23:33.300an epidemic of essentially like failed prostitutes right and i wonder and i suppose this is where
02:23:41.420we'll get into the main uh pointer so your background and i don't expect you to dox yourself
02:23:48.060in any significant way. But your area of expertise would be, would it be fair to say finance,
02:23:55.420personal finance? Yeah. So the way that I think I described it to you is that Black Horse and I
02:24:00.720are in the same segment of the economy, right? But Black Horse is probably something similar to like,
02:24:07.140most similar to like an architect or like an urban planner, right? Like very, very high level.
02:24:14.000Whereas, you know, like my limited field of expertise is like a more someone like, you know, the guy who like pours the concrete, right? It's like very nitty gritty details. You know, like if you need a specific problem solved, I can probably at least point you in the right direction. But if you're like, hey, why is the interest rate on my house 7%? It's like, I mean, I can kind of tell you, but to be honest, like, that's not my job, you know, get mad at someone else is the best way I'd describe it.
02:24:38.540Yeah. And that's kind of what we spend all our days arguing about. Go on Twitter right now, go on Telegram, go wherever. And we're still debating about the very highest reaches of the decision making of these things.
02:24:52.000but I think it's probably more relevant and relatable to the average person, the average
02:24:57.920listener to know like, okay, here's the scenario. And we talked about this before the show about
02:25:04.260a lot of people are probably thinking there are various degrees of the West has fallen.
02:25:08.920We're all on the West has fallen spectrum. It's just whether or not you think it's going to end
02:25:13.280in a hundred years or in five years. But there's a lot of negativity. There's a lot of people
02:25:18.500thinking we're on the down tilt of something and I think you had a very interesting perspective
02:25:25.260which was you know what can we say to the individual who would hold these beliefs what
02:25:30.280can they do in the next five years 10 years 25 years and this is why I think it's especially
02:25:36.300relevant to Judas and myself is because we talk about this all the time on the show we talk about
02:25:41.220very practical responses to living in a society in our case Canada I believe Jay is in the
02:25:48.480the United States. But in our case, it's like, okay, what do you, what do you actually do with
02:25:52.320your money? Should you have savings? Should you not have savings? Should be investing?
02:25:56.840Where is crypto land and all that? So if you wanted to kind of give a bird's eye view of your
02:26:01.700take on all that, go ahead. So a big part of this, right, is that I can't obviously give anyone
02:26:10.380specifics. You know, I don't know your situation, you know, so if you have, you know, XYZ number of
02:26:14.720like specific requirements, you know, that's going to change things. But I would say that the biggest
02:26:19.200kind of decision point is kind of like, what do you believe is kind of like the purpose
02:26:27.760of money? You know, because there's some people who kind of view it as an end in and of itself,
02:26:33.460right? Where it's like, ah, yes, my bank account has reached whatever N plus one, you know, I am
02:26:38.640now a success. I think that I'd hope, right, that most people in these circles don't tend to lean
02:26:43.360towards that i view that as you know kind of like materialistic but if you view money as a tool
02:26:47.560right you can use it to essentially achieve your ends the question becomes like all right then you
02:26:54.180know what are your ends you know and and to me right obviously like money is a way to kind of
02:27:02.820one like buffer you and yours from let's just say like the negative side effects of you know
02:27:10.360shall we say like societal transformation that's one the other one is to basically like say like
02:27:16.200all right like if if we in this you know this this bizarre little corner of the internet have
02:27:20.460kind of you know realized that you know societies and cultures are moved through kind of like
02:27:26.900organized elites well to be honest right like elites aren't born they're kind of made you know
02:27:33.440when you look at someone like Alexander when you look at someone like Napoleon they certainly had
02:27:36.960unusual talents, right? I'm not going to deny that. These were great men, but, you know,
02:27:42.860they didn't, they weren't peasants, you know, they weren't dirt farmers. And so if you view
02:27:47.140yourself as like, all right, like you're right. Like we're all in kind of the West has fallen
02:27:51.120camp, you know, and I think if we're kind of brutally honest with ourselves, we all kind of
02:27:54.800look at us and we're like, okay, you know, me, Jay Burden, you know, you, you know, Dimes or Judas,
02:27:59.480we're probably not Caesar you know that that guy isn't us but you know Caesar could be a burden
02:28:07.180you know or Caesar could be a Judas you know your descendant right and so if you're if you're
02:28:12.520looking towards that of trying to like okay like how do we take these values and project them into
02:28:16.280the future there's a part of that which is like you kind of have to to build and when I think of
02:28:22.760that right one of the things that I you know it goes back to is like one of the the old sawhorses
02:28:27.020It's like one of the things that's just a common refrain in these circles is, you know, the boomers failed us, right?
02:28:32.260They didn't continue with that kind of like chain of societal obligation.
02:28:37.440And so obviously like complaining about that is fun and it's useful to a certain point.
02:28:42.620But, you know, at a certain, at a certain junction, it's like, okay, guys, like, what are you going to do about it?
02:28:47.740And that's something we've said on the show quite a few times that I'm not a fan of this intergenerational war that seems localized primarily on the West. I can't really speak to if it's happening in Japan or the Middle East or anything, the South America, but it seems that the sharp demarcation between like boomers and Gen X and millennials as if they're different species seems unique to us.
02:29:16.620And it seems that we spend an inordinate amount of time trying to hold boomers accountable
02:29:21.280and almost fantasize about their demise, which seems counterproductive to me.
02:29:42.460It's kind of like, all right, well, like, what can you, what can you do about it?
02:29:45.780and from my perspective right like developing kind of like wealth and resiliency and the ability to
02:29:51.380kind of like guard your family you know your community from kind of the negative effects of
02:29:57.780the regime is let's be honest that's an expensive process right lawyers take money you know sending
02:30:04.180your kid to private school takes money and so like at the top order of that is just like how do you
02:30:09.540get money in the door you know like there's that's that's not an easy thing right like i'm not going
02:30:14.820to say i'm an incredibly wealthy man working on it right so that's a part where it's like i i mean
02:30:19.780i can offer you general advice right like i'm kind of the opinion that like yeah you know university0.96
02:30:24.660sucks and like they're probably they're gonna try and make you into a gay communist but like0.95
02:30:30.660there's a certain point where it's like okay how else are you gonna make you know six figures like0.99
02:30:34.340yeah sure you can get an awesome based trade job but one there aren't that many of those really and
02:30:39.780And two, like, not everyone can do them.
02:30:42.580That's why they cost money or that's why they pay so much, excuse me.
02:30:45.800And so, like, there's a certain point where it's like, and this is a question that I would
02:30:49.460kind of ask the hypothetical listener, which is like, how much are you willing to kind
02:30:53.840of, how much are you willing to, like, integrate with the system?
02:30:58.560Like, how much are you willing to kind of, like, bend the knee?
02:31:02.240Because we all kind of have to do it a little bit, right?
02:31:04.740Like, you know, Judas Dimes, I'm sure that both of you guys have kind of had those
02:31:09.640moments where you're like, oh, I'm just going to shut up, you know, because I don't want to lose
02:31:12.460my job. Well, literally, um, I can't speak for Judas and Judas, if you want to give an example
02:31:16.980after, but I know that I've worked with clients that have been diametrically opposed to not only
02:31:23.840my beliefs, but also my wellbeing by which I mean, we've, I I've worked, my wife has worked
02:31:30.160as well with nonprofit clients that are working in sort of an anti-extremist space. And one of
02:31:36.580You know, they'll go after Muslim extremists and whatnot, but they're very, very concerned about what they would call far right extremists and who are far right extremists.
02:31:45.260Well, they would count like Trump voters in that.
02:31:47.640So like I've been in meetings, I've been in calls with these types of people.
02:31:52.580So I have on one hand, I have a unique insight into how they actually work and how they talk and how how lost in the weeds they are with what they're doing.
02:32:01.620These are the people who think that the number one threat in America is the KKK.
02:32:04.660the KKK doesn't functionally exist anymore so they're like I'm not worried about them but I've
02:32:09.300also I'm like I you need this money and this is something I've always gone back and forth about
02:32:14.680with people it's like how how pure do you intend to be while intending to survive because and
02:32:23.160let me know what you think about this because I think you might agree with me but I'm not sure
02:32:26.540that to me survival is the number one thing and having principles and ideologies I think you need
02:32:33.960those to ground you but like you know if you are putting yourself in a position where you
02:32:38.700disproportionately suffer for principle like i don't know if that really benefits anyone
02:32:46.040well it's like saying that i'm wrong you know it is it's like one way of looking at it is like the
02:32:49.740paradox of tolerance like the the the extremely tolerant can't exist for long because they
02:32:55.860tolerant they tolerate the intolerant and then are destroyed so it just can't happen and the
02:33:00.620another exact because i was thinking about this this exact thing earlier because we're actually
02:33:03.440having a conversation about this kind of economic principle thing in the chat just a few hours ago
02:33:08.140the idea of when you're on a plane and they tell you that when there's an accident in the plane
02:33:12.700and you have a small child you put the mask on yourself first and you'd think no i want to save
02:33:17.020my child but it's like if you save your child and then you die your child dies anyways and i think
02:33:22.620it's the same thing about like having strong principles whether they're religious or political
02:33:26.240or philosophical like your your principles either through belief or through acts in the world are
02:33:32.720transmitted through you as a person so the first thing is you need to eat you need to live if you
02:33:38.160don't live your principles don't mean anything because you're dead especially if your principles
02:33:41.940are rare like in our case so yeah i mean and my my example was um that at the peak of covid
02:33:47.640our biggest client was like a radical chabad in hong kong because they're the only people paying
02:33:54.000because go figure the radical jews have all of the money while everybody else is dying but they0.99
02:34:00.200were paying and one of my biggest clients and i was essentially sucking dick and bending the knee1.00
02:34:05.800for these fucking like orthodox jews because i mean it was that or shut the company down i0.99
02:34:11.540ultimately had to shut the company down but if it weren't for that job it would have actually come0.99
02:34:15.060sooner so you do you have sometimes you have to do it so it's something like when it comes down
02:34:21.220to survival when it comes down to you know as i guess the point i was building to was that
02:34:26.300especially if you're in the West and you're raised in a society, you get this sense,
02:34:31.440and this is probably not where Jay wanted to go with this, but you get this sense that
02:34:35.240sacrificing yourself for an ideal is the highest form of virtue. And the more you suffer for your
02:34:42.920virtue, to die for what you believe in is the most noble thing you can do. And I think that
02:34:48.940has many people running towards what might effectively be suicide. You're choosing sacrifice
02:34:55.760where maybe you don't need to choose sacrifice and maybe you should choose survival with a slight
02:35:01.600tweak of your principles which you should never break anyway there's probably a lot of people
02:35:07.280who are pissed off at what we're saying i don't know if i'm expressing myself well correct actually
02:35:11.480i think that there's there's kind of a deeper like even more like honorable position in this
02:35:16.840which is essentially that like you can you can basically by kind of taking it on the chin you
02:35:24.580know you can kind of like buy out you and yours from having to suffer through that again like you
02:35:31.100could be like all right like i'll take my licks now so the example that's it that i always think
02:35:34.920about is like private school right so like i was you know genuinely lucky that i was able to go to
02:35:39.880a you know a private christian school it's where i you know met you know other you know dissonant
02:35:44.220right personality you know george bagby uh and i was able to do that right because essentially like
02:35:49.760my dad worked a corporate job. And so it's like, okay, you can kind of use that as a way to kind
02:35:57.980of buy more independence from the system. And so I will say the other problem with this is that
02:36:05.860there's kind of a wide variety of opinions on what is the timeline of demise. And I even think
02:36:13.800about this myself because obviously if you are convinced that the US dollar is going to be
02:36:19.360worthless tomorrow you're not going to have 10 grand city in cash right that's yeah of course
02:36:24.080likewise people have very legitimate fears and concerns about the like broader market right the
02:36:31.660entire stock market and to be honest right like over a long enough time scale i probably share
02:36:37.320that you know like this does sort of seem to be a shell game and it's like well how how many times
02:36:42.720can you pass the shells around you know before it's clear that there's no p right that it's just
02:36:47.120you know we're packing passing fake numbers around so i get that but it's sort of like you
02:36:52.800know over what time frame you know like if you there's this there's this idea right of things
02:37:00.000being lindy and basically the idea is that if something's been going on for a long time
02:37:05.160it's more likely to keep going and i think that this is actually this idea is at the the core of
02:37:12.640kind of a an interesting like disagreement which is basically like how long can they keep this up
02:37:20.820for and i mean they and this in the most broad sense possible right where it's like obviously
02:37:28.100you know the the replacement migration is not good obviously like turning every strata of society
02:37:34.280against each other is not good but i think that there's this you know there's faulty mentality
02:37:39.940and it's very easy to see in like the libertarian gold bug sphere right people who are always going
02:37:46.260on and on about like oh the economy is going to fall out you know it's going to be back to mad
02:37:50.660max tomorrow and it's like okay like two or three times you've been through the cycle you know like
02:37:55.940by this point i have it's like okay like you guys may be right but like if you're right the fifth
02:38:02.740time you know you're still only right 20 of the time yeah and so it's like it is an uncomfortable
02:38:09.780situation where you're like, okay, like you kind of have to at least part of your mind
02:38:15.080bank on the fact that they might be able to pull this one out for way longer than we think they
02:38:21.200can. Yeah. At the very least, so that certain people can survive. And, you know, I've posed
02:38:27.420this question on, I think an article in the Vanguardist journal a while ago, just as a
02:38:33.680hypothetical for people, because we seem to spend a lot of time fantasizing about society collapsing
02:38:39.400because which is like the dissident rights version of the reddit zombie apocalypse there's
02:38:45.580functionally no difference between us like getting together like what are you gonna do what do you
02:38:49.760um except it's way more horrible but we like that for some reason but i said like consider this
02:38:55.200what if america never falls apart just like entertain that idea for five because you've
02:39:01.820never entertained that idea you've never entertained the idea that maybe america doesn't0.92
02:39:06.420get destroyed in five years maybe it call it limps along but let's say it's so fucking powerful
02:39:12.280and such a dominant trade force that you know there's still a washington dc in 300 years
02:39:19.860um and you don't get that sudden collapse that you've been taught to by roland emmerich movies
02:39:26.420you know what do you do then and no one's ever thought about that before
02:39:29.500and you know is there something you can something workable within that
02:39:34.000well right and and so that that brings us back to kind of the more specific
02:39:39.160strategies of like what do you do so like friend of mine you know charlemagne has made it pretty
02:39:45.760clear that he's essentially fully disconnected from the system you know he's living out somewhere
02:39:50.440yeah he lives in that like uh he's building a house i believe of some kind in like in an area
02:39:56.140right or am i wrong about that right and even you know people like you know the woodlander who both
02:40:00.380of us have interviewed have basically made it very clear that they are they have fully disconnected
02:40:05.440so that's one side the other side is basically like you know fully buying in you know like the
02:40:10.980american empire will reign for a thousand years and i think most of us kind of fall fall in between
02:40:15.400which brings us to kind of like all right like you kind of have to pick your own risk tolerance i
02:40:19.280can't tell you what that is but that brings us to like what are the generally you know kind of the
02:40:23.680best ways to ensure that your family's wealth kind of progresses over time. So there's kind of good
02:40:32.200and bad ways to go about this. And one of the things that you kind of have to understand is
02:40:38.580that essentially the broader system and kind of this god-awful fusion of pharma, finance,
02:40:47.500and government right is basically designed for you to like incur a large amount of money
02:40:54.060that money will be used to essentially turn corporations into like the zombie soldiers
02:40:59.840of the state you'll retire on that and then that money will all go into the medical system that is
02:41:05.100basically the design so for instance like i'm i'm sure you guys have noticed and this is you know
02:41:10.120more a problem in the states maybe than it is in canada right but like the last years of your life
02:41:44.540There was a man who we all love named Fortisax, and he was referring to an anecdote where he was speaking to his, I hope he's okay with me telling this, but he was speaking to his mother, and he's got, I think, a girlfriend or a wife of some kind, and he was, geez, I have the right person, right?
02:42:22.140I think it was him though, but it doesn't matter.
02:42:24.000But he said, hypothetically, you could do the dishes, take care of the kids and his,
02:42:29.120instead of having to live in a retirement community, you won't need to go that route.
02:42:33.420You can stay with us, which is what you would think they want.
02:42:36.120She said, no, I don't want to do dishes or take care of kids anymore.
02:42:40.160I would rather live alone in a retirement community.
02:42:42.360and you know it's it's so interesting Jay that you're saying that because I think you are correct
02:42:47.840but there's so many individuals who I don't think are prepared for that like I think they think
02:42:55.040they're gonna like again that's one permanent vacation when they retire and you know these
02:42:59.680people aren't rich right well well right and so that was actually brings me to the the broader
02:43:05.640point that I I wanted to make which is essentially that you you can't have it all you know this is
02:43:11.580a principle in economics. And what that means is if you want to both leave wealth, build wealth
02:43:21.220for your family as someone who isn't, shall we say, like at the top half of 1%, right? If you're
02:43:27.760that rich, stop listening. This is not applied to you, right? But essentially you are going to have
02:43:34.460to make some relatively uncomfortable sacrifices. And a big part of that is, right, like that
02:43:39.240example is kind of the perfect like crystallization where it's like if you do the kind of like
02:43:45.020generally accepted thing right which is like you retire at 65 you know you have your 401k you have
02:43:52.320a lot of you know equity up in your home in your home and you you buy an rv and you you spend half
02:43:57.880the year in florida like that is a culturally accepted thing to do right that's that's normal
02:44:03.680but that is a you are essentially taking anything you could pass on and burning it right and it's
02:44:13.920this attitude right that's your right you know that's what you should do and i guess my point
02:44:18.980is just that the the kind of well-trod path and this applies to a multitude of things that is not
02:44:26.360a neutral option right that is just as destructive of kind of like long-term families community as
02:44:32.880the well-trod path is when we shall say we just use an example of like the sexual marketplace
02:44:38.060right that it is just as kind of like corrupted and just as uh short-sighted right and so
02:44:45.600basically right you you bring up that that good example of like all right like making you know
02:44:52.620essentially turning your family into an intergenerational one like living near your
02:44:56.140family living with your family actually i'm currently in a situation right where i'm
02:45:00.620living in a property owned by a family member, you know, okay. It's not like the coolest thing
02:45:05.540to do. You know, it's not the most high status thing to do, but it's a really good way. You know,
02:45:12.020when someone isn't bringing home a lot of money to one, keep it in the family, right? Cause I'm
02:45:16.320paying rent to a family member. It stays in the clan, so to speak, but also right. Like that
02:45:22.260enables you to not have all of your kind of like economic input, you know, essentially like
02:45:28.120squirreled away by strangers you know and so kind of doing things and this is actually maybe a good
02:45:34.340way to describe it is that doing things that are traditionally seen as low status but are kind of
02:45:39.700ways to ensure that you are providing for something bigger and like more long-lasting than just like
02:45:45.840your own personal enjoyment if that makes sense no and that speaks to a bunch of real conversations
02:45:50.600that i've had with my wife and judas i'm sure you've had with judas wife where and we've spoken
02:45:57.060about this on the show i think one of my favorite clips was called i think it's archie bunker's
02:46:02.780chair of will and representation because we talk about schopenhauer's uh will and representation
02:46:08.700and then also this problem at the start which was me and my wife were speaking practically about
02:46:14.340starting a multi-generational sort of fam living situation where you know my lover family's
02:46:22.260retired grandparents of course retired my mother's retired um and they've they've mentioned
02:46:26.660is like, oh, you know, maybe we could all get a compound together, you know, which is a weird
02:46:31.420thing for them to say. But then I'm like, okay, like, let's actually scheme this out. What would
02:46:37.180it be like? So like, most of them aren't rich people. But I'd be like, you know what, the only
02:46:43.420way this works is if myself and my wife and our family is at the nucleus of this thing, and everyone
02:46:49.260else is orbiting around it. And this will become absolutely necessary as their health begins to
02:46:54.260decline. And just to interrupt you so people understand the context, like it's not because
02:46:59.960you're just a greedy asshole. It's because across those two rather large families, you and your1.00
02:47:05.260wife are the only ones who actually have decent paying jobs and have their lives together and
02:47:10.220have kids. But you're the only ones that actually have a model of a family to work from. And also
02:47:15.340the only ones who are willing to sit down and actually plan this out because they live their
02:47:20.800whole lives like they're all renting in apartments now because they chose not to do this all of these1.00
02:47:26.580motherfuckers could have done this my grandmother sold her house everyone sold their fucking0.99
02:47:30.100property so here we are everyone's renting and everyone's sad and now they're talking like this1.00
02:47:35.100be the fucking brady bunch which is a real situation a lot of people are going to get into0.90
02:47:38.780but that puts us in the position where now we need to financially map this out because it was never0.99
02:47:44.760taught to us this is kind of what i'm getting around to to jay's point which is that you're
02:47:49.180having to learn a whole new budgetary system because your grandparents never approached
02:47:54.480something like this. Your parents never learned this. You're like, okay, how do I fucking do this
02:47:58.640thing that we might've done for generations? You have to be the first ones to get the property0.92
02:48:04.600that you passed down. You need to be the first ones to get all of this going. And then not only
02:48:10.240that, you need to reestablish the familial relationships because they don't know how
02:48:15.440to be a family in this situation they the grandparents don't know how to kind of defer
02:48:20.980on certain things maybe they think that they're in charge maybe your father-in-law doesn't know
02:48:27.300how to have this new relationship and and that's it's conflict so you have to like establish that
02:48:32.980hierarchy as well and this is a real thing in this in this one instance but a real thing that
02:48:39.020a young person has to think about practically that was a bit of a long rant but yeah so and
02:48:44.940And going back to, it's interesting, you brought up, you know, grandparents who sold the house,
02:48:49.700the classic example, right, is selling the farm. And that's a great example, right, of essentially
02:48:55.780taking what is a long-term familial asset, right, and essentially burning it, you know, turning it
02:49:03.040into like liquid cash and just squandering it. And it's interesting because I live in a more
02:49:09.680rural area, you know, and I'm, I work occasionally, you know, on a, on a big farm and I quite
02:49:15.840enjoy it and it's a family affair, right?
02:49:18.740And what's interesting is the farm has grown over time because essentially all of the farmers
02:49:24.760around them, you know, whoever it was, was it grandpa or the great uncle who actually
02:49:29.080worked on it died, you know, and all of his family members who were technically economically
02:49:35.220invested, right? Like they had a right to it, had no care for it past its like liquid value.
02:49:41.860You know, and so again, that speaks to kind of building those, you know, longer, like more real
02:49:48.120connections, right? Where again, like you have to kind of not only reformat your own personal
02:49:53.220priorities, which is like, okay, like this money that I am currently holding onto, it's not just
02:49:58.700mine. Like I'm a custodian of this, you know, for a little bit of time, you know, but it's not just
02:50:03.900mine to waste that, you know, kind of the traditional paths to, you know, long-term
02:50:09.240wealth, which let's be honest is, is hard assets like land, right? You're the landed gentry.
02:50:14.360Well, again, that's another thing where you kind of have to resist, you know, the easy,
02:50:19.900the easy path, right. Which is to become essentially the prodigal son. And it's so
02:50:23.900interesting, you know, that that story is, is often kind of touted for it's kind of like
02:50:27.880spiritual meaning, you know, which was certainly right as deep, like we were all,
02:50:31.300you know to one degree or another the prodigal son but there's another very like real part which0.99
02:50:35.500is like don't don't be the idiot you know who takes your your family's birthright right and1.00
02:50:41.520essentially spends it on blackjack and hookers you know that used to be a story we would tell1.00
02:50:46.200we don't even tell that story anymore because that's just people's parents that do that exactly
02:50:51.060but now now it's the prodigal grandparents you know and you're like wow thanks grandpa i'm glad
02:50:56.180you had fun with your your five sequential harleys but uh oh no he he bought at the peak
02:51:02.000and sold on the dip he got into crypto i bought a bitcoin for sixty thousand dollars
02:51:09.880that's a good bit that's a good i actually know i actually know a boomer who did that
02:51:16.040i'm close to but yeah i bet there's so many i bet all those times people were watching it go
02:51:22.040to the moon it was because boomers are getting into it at the wrong time yeah they did a spot
02:51:27.160on fox business and they're like oh what's this the best thing they did was make the bitcoin look
02:51:32.420like gold so this is this is another one which is uh you know the classic example from the big
02:51:38.780short right is that the uh the main character is like oh i knew that i knew that the home market
02:51:43.100was done when uh when i heard strippers talking about flipping homes i knew crypto was going to
02:51:48.960go down when at my like the ghetto gas station that i i buy coffee at next to my work when they
02:51:55.900installed the crypto atm there i was like yeah it's done wrap it up boys it's it's all over
02:52:00.700atm also has bars over like oh no exactly thought there was crypto in it
02:52:06.080but it's funny that you mentioned this that um i'm sorry if i'm laying too many anecdotes on you but
02:52:13.400oh not at all this really speaks to my lived experience because you know my wife grew up poor
02:52:18.400and you know myself and jews did not grow up wealthy in any sense of the word but um i think
02:52:26.340we had a poor person's understanding of money my parents had a poor person's understanding of money
02:52:30.380and so did my wife's so they thought of money as something you hoard it's something you get
02:52:36.200from work and you put it in a box for later and it just kind of and if you do it right maybe it
02:52:41.980accumulates a little bit of money and the worst thing ever was to be in debt debt should be avoided
02:52:47.780but they had a poverty stricken person's idea of what debt is debt to them is when you borrow
02:52:54.220money to buy a thing you want debt wasn't something you borrow to invest to make more
02:52:59.100money you know the idea of having money that makes more money was an alien to them or suspicious to
02:53:05.200them and as you know i've been with her for like christ i should know how long i've been with her
02:53:09.900let's say 13 years um let's let's round um and say and and so she's come around to that and i've
02:53:17.920come around to that as well where it's like we need to think intelligently about money and debt
02:53:21.640is something you actually need if you want to make more but anyway the idea of breaking out
02:53:27.920of you know maybe it's mean to say this but like a poor person's understanding of money
02:53:33.800as something it must be transactional you need to rejigger what those types of transactions are
02:53:39.140rather than something that you hoard. And that's back to the Fox news thing of people buying gold,
02:53:44.340but they're thinking, oh, I'm going to buy this and put it in a box and then I'll
02:53:47.580break it out of the box when I need it, which I think, and correct me if I'm wrong,
02:53:51.860that's really the wrong way to look at even wealth in a sense.
02:53:55.960So it's kind of, and I'll put it this way. I might have a minority opinion on debt, right?
02:54:04.220Which is the classic answer is that there's good debt and bad debt, right?
02:54:09.140So I will also say, and maybe this is a, an arrogant way to look at it. I think that to be honest, most people aren't smart enough to have debt. Uh, is that it's, it's actually kind of similar to a point that, uh, Oh, it wasn't Steve Saylor. Uh, who's the guy who wrote the bell curve?
02:54:30.680uh oh uh it's not charles charles murray charles murray yes he makes where essentially he's kind
02:54:37.480of lamenting the fact that the world has become more iq dependent right that essentially if you're
02:54:43.620gonna make it quote unquote you have to have you know 110 or 120 iq to be honest i kind of view
02:54:51.080debt the same way and i kind of it's part of the reason that i think dave ramsey's an absolute
02:54:57.300psychopath i wouldn't want to work for him and he's kind of wrong about like in a very technical
02:55:02.580sense about most of what he says but it's sort of the example right where it's like okay you know
02:55:08.320what when you're telling your kid you know when you're telling your kid about like i don't know
02:55:13.220we'll just use the bible as an example right you give him a storybook bible is that the literal
02:55:18.320like most accurate description of what happening like are you is that like the council of trent
02:55:22.240you know some kind of like very in-depth no it's not but it like it fits it's close enough it works
02:55:27.760and so like you're 100 right you know that debt much like money itself is a is a tool
02:55:32.960but it's a relatively complicated tool and one of the problems with it right which is something that
02:55:39.940this doesn't mean you should not have debt but it means that you should kind of approach debt
02:55:43.720shall we say soberly which is that when you have debt you're owned right you have to basically you
02:55:52.220are at the beck and call of the broader system to a greater or lesser degree, right? Like I first
02:55:58.800want to admit that a home loan is much better than credit card debt. But I think that it's something
02:56:04.820to, again, kind of consider as a dissident, right? That if you want to decrease your reliance on the
02:56:12.560system, that if you have debts, and again, right, it's a tool, sometimes it's a necessary evil,
02:56:17.500that is a way in which you're controlled. And the difficult thing, right, is that that is something
02:56:21.740that is a tool that, you know, kind of like the system is sort of aware of, right?
02:56:27.780Which is that it's kind of, I'm of the opinion that the student debt crisis, quote unquote,
02:56:32.220will never be solved simply because it's entirely too useful to ever be solved.
02:56:36.900To your last point, before I forget on the difference, I do agree 100% with what you
02:56:43.160had said that most people are probably not, first of all, smart enough to have debt and
02:56:47.980also to exist in the ecosystem where there's so much predatory debt.
02:56:51.740But I was interested in the student debt crisis specifically, and maybe that falls under both predatory debt and also very, very intelligent debt if used properly.
02:57:03.760So I'm just wondering if you would expand on it being so important that it might never go away or never be resolved and resolve both, you know, practically, but also legislatively.
02:57:14.920Like there'll never be student debt forgiveness in the future, you don't think?
02:57:19.960So there might be some. I'll put it this way. Republicans are too stupid to wield student debt as a weapon because the natural play is that you're essentially – it's a good way to put two Democratic client groups up against each other, which is we know, according to census data, that if you go to university, you're dramatically more likely to vote blue.
02:57:44.880And again, I'm not a big Republican Party guy. I just mean to say, right, like that is the party of power in the US. The other group involved that is dramatically blue, very much a blue client group is university professors and university workers. Right. You know, the head of the anthropology department, I guarantee you at literally every single university in both the US and Canada is a raging leftoid. Like I guarantee you that.1.00
02:58:11.180And so what I mean that it's useful, right, is that it's a way to basically keep people tied into the system, right, that loans allow people like you and I to inject more cash into the patronage network that is higher education at a vastly higher rate than we could on our own.
02:58:35.000Like if I had to pay, I guess I kind of did pay my way through college, but if I had to, if I had to a hundred percent fund myself through college, right. There's only a certain amount I could afford. Right. Just like, it's why we always say like, oh, of course you could, you know, get a part-time job in the sixties and pay your way through Columbia. Right. Cause it just didn't cost very much, but the ability to get loans right now, all of a sudden, like it's a way easier to get a loan for $120,000, right. Than it is to cough up 120 grand.
02:59:00.200And so that's enabled a massive growth of higher education, right? And these are essentially
02:59:06.900democratic client jobs. You know, LSU is a great example, right? Like LSU is kind of infamous for
02:59:12.240graft. And they use all of this money, both directly in the form of grants, you know,
02:59:17.480effectively subsidies from the federal government and in these like overblown tuitions paid by
02:59:22.240student loans to fund a, like a lazy river, right? Like a moving man-made river in the shape of the
02:59:28.200LSU logo, because they had so much cash sitting around. Okay. So that's one side of it, right?
02:59:32.500Which is direct patronage. The other one is that it's an incredible way to basically lead people
02:59:38.860around by the nose, right? Because what Biden said he was going to do, right? Which is take 10 grand
02:59:43.860off of every federal student loan. One, that's a really great way. It's a really great way to make
02:59:50.580a lot of people, like it's classic politics, right? It's bread and circuses. Make a lot of people
02:59:54.600your guys. Even though it didn't go through, I know a lot of people who voted for Biden
02:59:59.560because of it. And then on the other end, the way that federal student loans are set up in the US
03:00:06.360is that you have automatic forgiveness. Essentially, if you make payments in the
03:00:13.440private system, like if you work for, let's just say, Jiffy Loop or Subway, you wouldn't with a
03:00:19.040college degree, but some company like that. As long as you're making payments adjusted to your
03:00:23.820income for 25 years, I believe it's 25, it might be longer. It's forgiven. You're done. Even if
03:00:28.620you've only paid half of it. But the really interesting thing is if you work in either the
03:00:35.320government or nonprofit, right? So an NGO or a hospital or something like that, it's only 10
03:00:41.980years. So what that does, right? Is that basically you get to pay your, you get to pay your clients
03:00:50.060on the front end, right? Which is university professors, you know, admin, you know, people
03:00:55.780who work in these like godforsaken, you know, social justice departments, they get paid, of
03:00:59.680course, on the front end. And on the back end, right? The people who specifically go to work
03:01:04.580back in your system, right? NGOs, you know, government workers, you get to reward them again.
03:01:11.460Now, in your opinion, was it set up with that? How explicit do you think it was set up to benefit
03:01:17.100that or and also do would you say that most of the people who are working in these these areas
03:01:24.320would be aware of that as well like they they're they kind of get the grip that that's an interesting
03:01:30.460question right that that genuinely is an interesting question i know it's a big question
03:01:34.100maybe there's no answer to it but that was where my mind was wandering so and it's it's it's hard
03:01:41.260to say right like the the nrx bro inside of me you know basically says like oh well of course
03:01:46.860like people react to incentives and if you set up a system like this people are just going to act
03:01:51.460you could say it's like naturally occurring I'll be honest but then I look at things like what
03:01:57.120Biden did and like that is like that's hardball politics right that is someone probably not you
03:02:03.040know Joseph Biden you know making a hard rational decision to essentially like put politics into
03:02:09.480motion so I think like anything else is probably a mix of a and b you know I'm I'm not the biggest
03:02:14.540like down the rabbit hole, you know, conspiracy theorist kind of guy. It's just not my wheelhouse,
03:02:20.880but I could be convinced, you know, if someone wants to send me a schizoid email, I'd read about
03:02:25.520half of it and then make fun of it on telegram. Another example of that, that might be more
03:02:29.420to the, just a naturally occurring phenomena was I was, and I hope this is true. Otherwise I might
03:02:35.780be making a fool of myself, but I had heard that in, it might've been Florida, but in Florida,
03:02:41.200they said you know you know if you get a woman pregnant you have to be child support until they0.59
03:02:45.100turn 18 but there's a rule where if you have like eight kids or more you just don't have to pay
03:02:51.380child support on any of them ever so that almost incentivized you to get as many women as pregnant
03:02:59.860as possible like as quick as possible and that and then then i saw that i'm like oh my god that's
03:03:05.120what dmx was doing and like so uh you know you know dimes that that brings up an interesting
03:03:11.320question right you always have these kind of like you know like uh con inc types you know we're like
03:03:16.560oh look at hungary you know they increase their population through tax credits no no no we're0.99
03:03:21.700gonna have just like the horde of of bastards you know it's like every no good you know like1.00
03:03:26.660deadbeat dad's gonna have eight children no child support and we'll just we'll send all those kids0.99
03:03:30.620to taiwan you know like they're just mobbed the beach with them that's actually a fantastic point
03:03:35.680that i never really considered before but i've always argued people would say oh we need to
03:03:40.260incentivize childbirth and throughout history there have been instances where they tried to
03:03:46.160fight declining birth rates with an economic solution and it almost never works and so i'd
03:03:51.940always say like oh they tried that in rome it didn't work usually it seems to come from some
03:03:55.360spiritual a place of spirituality at least but that's another angle and i'm like imagine just
03:04:02.160you know green all the green tech subsidies but applied to childbirth because a lot of people
03:04:07.760will just like rip off green tech they'll just like building you know building sky windmills is
03:04:13.640a scam they don't do anything but you get like 25k a year from the government if you have one
03:04:18.740on your property little things like that were just a bunch of like scoundrels get in on it so
03:04:23.640So it's like, yeah, this will be – you're only going to – everyone's like, oh, we're going to – you have to increase the birth rate.0.87
03:04:29.040Otherwise, it's going to be idiocracy.
03:04:30.380I'm like, what if you supercharge idiocracy?
03:19:12.860uh but point is he's a really interesting guy and he talks about south africa right which is
03:19:19.160this country that's falling apart you know the power works very rarely you know there's no clean
03:19:24.220water he's like look like on one hand right that's scary that's bad you know you wouldn't want to
03:19:29.900live there if you had the choice he's like on the other hand that's adventure you know that's that's
03:19:35.600where the opportunity is because you know in the in the kind of like safety of a well-functioning
03:19:40.780society you're kind of hemmed it you know there's no chance to kind of make yourself into something
03:19:45.300great and i think that that's kind of like the encouraging call within this you know kind of
03:19:51.460like quagmire we're in you know that like on one hand right yeah like sure the west has fallen but
03:19:55.400it's like okay like that's a good time to be an interesting person you have much more opportunity
03:20:01.760to be a great man now than maybe even your father or your grandfather did for that reason i wanted
03:20:07.040to bring up actually because you were talking about the idea that our our moors and our principles
03:20:11.820were different back then and that's one of the things that kept us in line but especially if
03:20:16.880looking at the south african example and then comparing that to our own ancestors maybe 100 or
03:20:21.320150 years ago a lot of those behaviors even for social pariahs were incidental because there
03:20:28.740weren't huge urbanities or they were at a distance or you couldn't reach them and you needed to
03:20:32.760depend on family and community and the church even if you didn't like them you needed to
03:20:37.740incidentally depend on them in order to succeed so people didn't even have to make a moral decision
03:20:43.140about whether or not they were going to depend on your family if you didn't depend on your family
03:20:47.000you would die so and then that's and so you got these great these great heroes or like great men0.99
03:20:54.860who defended their family and built the family home and hunted an elk and did all of this shit0.99
03:21:00.140And to them, maybe they were doing it for principle or maybe they were just doing it because it was the only option. And over the past 50, 60 years, that wasn't the only option. And not only did our morals change, but there are new paths of least resistance that make it easier.0.99
03:21:17.380And then now, like you said, South Africa is on the other side of the hill where it is no longer the easiest option to just move to Johannesburg and get a marketing job.0.89
03:21:29.360Like you're going to get raped if you do that.
03:21:31.140So it makes more sense to go out in the countryside.0.89
03:21:34.320It's actually safer to go out in the countryside and just try to grow maize.
03:21:39.700I like because that, I think, is the missing piece from that thing I was saying earlier that a lot of people probably disagreed with, which is like, you know, the value of, in some way, checking out of the system of like, like it may be that there is an enticement to this.
03:21:58.360And I think a lot of people in our scenes see it like they want to check out of the system.
03:22:01.520They want to effectively make keep themselves safe.
03:22:04.540It's not because they want to go on vacation.
03:22:06.200It's like the idea of wanting to live like Ted Kaczynski because it feels safer than where you are right now is a wild thing to think, but it's a very real thing.
03:22:17.660And I think that's something we have to deal with to incorporate that desire, too, because it's real and it's a survival thing.
03:22:24.480And the Ted, we bring up Ted K so often, but he's such a dead end because he was a antisocial, childless loner.
03:25:46.680So there's always this idea that even if we were to buy property and build an estate or something, you know, at the drop of a hat, the government could take it.
03:25:58.000So there's this idea that we're always searching for permanence.
03:26:01.360As we talk about this, about cross-generational projects, we're hunting for this idea of permanence.
03:26:08.060And maybe in some countries it does exist and they have better private property laws than they do in Canada.
03:26:12.860But, you know, I think if you're a Canadian, you're dialed into what the law actually says or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms actually says, you're aware of how precarious everything is.
03:26:22.960Like, you could lose your guns at any second. Really? We're right almost there.
03:26:26.600But it's like you have to think abstractly. You have to think laterally about, OK, I can't the things I think I can't own, I can't own.
03:26:33.440But where else do I find that permanence? Where else do I find it? Maybe that is in community.
03:26:37.840Like, how do I strengthen the community where it can exist if not tied to a geographic area?
03:26:44.340Because that geographic area can be yanked out from under me at the moment's notice.
03:26:48.180You know, I was talking to the Woodlander about it because the Woodlander, he was saying that, you know, if you just set up property and you have a dwelling on there for five years, it just becomes your property.
03:27:05.320And I'm like, I looked into it. I'm like, I don't think that exists in Canada. I think that we weren't grandfathered into that. That's like a cool old British law that Canada doesn't get. So it's like, okay, we don't have the same sort of permanence that other countries have. So how do we create our own? You know, anyway, that's sort of a meandering thought, but yeah.
03:27:24.920No, I mean, that's definitely, you know, one of the main questions we're all kind of spitballing at, right?
03:27:31.740I guess the idea was, how do we do that financially?
03:27:33.300And that's kind of where the reason I like to talk to you, it's like, okay, even if we understand that money isn't just gold you stockpile, money, cash is capital, it's transactional.
03:27:45.800Like, the more you hold it, you know, you could lose it the next day.
03:27:49.320The bottom could fall out financially.
03:27:51.460And then, you know, the thing you thought you had, you don't have.
03:27:53.840So how do you turn that money into something more permanent? How do you turn that into power? How do you turn that into sovereignty if you can't hold on to anything? And I think that's why I think it's so important to talk to people like you about how can we use money to actually get what we want? And ask yourself what you actually want.
03:28:13.120do you want just a castle you know that you build and shut yourself off from the world or do you
03:28:17.940want something maybe a bit more ethereal but something that lasts beyond you because you know
03:28:23.060the boomer who's like yanking all their money to the bank to invest they think investing in that0.97
03:28:28.580shitty fucking motorcycle is like going to outlast them there there's you know or that vintage car0.99
03:28:35.120that's their version of permanence you know in a very much or even right like and you kind of0.99
03:28:40.500brought it up right that the whole point of saving is to fund you know a 30-year vacation
03:28:44.900at the end of your life right like that's you know on one hand it's it's a cultural
03:28:50.600you know it's a cultural like it's a culturally high status thing yeah and so again like maybe
03:28:56.380you could probably criticize me for being overly vague in this but there's something to be said
03:29:01.700for the fact that you know setting you know rekind of wiring your mind you know kind of
03:29:08.100viewing money as a means to an end and then setting like specific ends that kind of lead to,
03:29:14.880you know, a situation in which kind of, you know, your, you know, your civil, your ideas,
03:29:21.500right. Kind of make it through, you know, the, the, the genetic bottleneck that is modernity,
03:29:27.300right. That, okay. Like if, if going along to get along, you know, leaves you with, you know,
03:29:32.580let's just say a million dollars in your bank account and, and no offspring, right. You're
03:29:37.060effectively a biological failure, you know, but if you can kind of like, you know, I guess like
03:29:42.860judo turn, you know, whatever economic power you have into kind of like, you know, making sure that
03:29:48.380you kind of make it through, you know, to adopt kind of one of black horses, uh, you know, kind
03:29:53.160of like frames, I would argue that's probably a good, a good model for success. I think that's a
03:29:58.600good way to bring people back to it. The genetic, but you're trying to survive a genetic bottleneck,
03:30:04.220you know and as as omar little said from the wire money doesn't have owners only spenders
03:30:10.360you only want to know how long i was sitting on that one i kept forgetting it coming back
03:30:15.980i'm like i want to i want to reference the wire to win over my audience
03:30:20.140all right juice did you have any thoughts on that i i don't i might have said a lot of things i i
03:30:25.600hope i agree with them later i hope i explained them i wasn't trying to be too contrarian but
03:30:31.320i have been thinking recently about like you know abandoning what could be useful territory for
03:30:39.280long-term goals you know what i mean well i like i like the focus on the concept of permanence i
03:30:46.360think that is a thread that ties a lot of this together whether we're talking about family and
03:30:51.200community or a return to religion or other principles like principles of a community even
03:30:57.700if it's not a religious community or like building a building a business but like it's not a cell
03:31:03.840phone case drop shipping business but like a mill you know that generations can work at or
03:31:09.300you know there's an there's a or a house like a fit like we talk about the family farm like you're
03:31:14.280putting in time and energy and resources into something with the expectation that your
03:31:19.000grandchildren will still hold on to it so i think that that's a huge a huge part of it um and that
03:31:26.020you know, from, from my perspective, I, and I, you know, I, I give guys a hard time all the time
03:31:32.680because I always, and I don't want to be critical, but I just feel like so much of what we do is so
03:31:38.420focused on politics and, and narrative and all of this. And it's like, our guys need land and our
03:31:47.400guys need jobs and they need wives. And those like jobs, land, and wives are the only things
03:31:53.880to me that actually matter and that if we want to put a point on the question it's how do we get
03:31:59.120jobs land wives and friends and like how do we build churches how do we how do we build roads
03:32:05.460like and i mean i'm talking not metaphorically but like literally yeah how do we do that
03:32:09.640we don't we don't have that like when i look out my window i'm and again i'm not speaking
03:32:14.140metaphorically i look out my window and i'm at work and i'm looking at the guy's families like
03:32:18.760i'm looking at this 67 year old guy who should have retired three years ago but he's making
03:32:23.100$18 an hour and his wife has cancer why is he here like where is his family why does he rent
03:32:29.440why he's 67 why doesn't he own a house why does he drive a shitbox Acura and like where are his
03:32:35.640children you know that there's a there's real like that's a thing something to solve so let me just
03:32:41.100say he said Acura because he knows I drive an Acura and he was trying to twist the knife you
03:32:46.180know what you did you hope you could slip that pie no but but you you raise a very good point
03:32:52.700there because this is something and we can probably end on this but this is something we talk about
03:32:56.320all the time on the show because um in our scene it's very easy to speak in very highfalutin terms
03:33:01.980you'll hear the terms vague terms like community because you hear people say like we need religion
03:33:06.620spirituality and then maybe it's us being well you might say a grug brain but um i demand like
03:33:13.240what does that mean what do you mean we need spirituality what do you mean does that mean
03:33:16.260start a church do we do we need would that help it and one of a lot of the investigations we do
03:33:21.220on the show was really trying to pull on the threads of, okay, what do you actually, when we
03:33:25.600say, oh, the Westie spirituality, okay, what happened there? Let's go back in time. What type,
03:33:30.980what were the spiritual movements? What's the relationship between Catholicism and Protestantism?
03:33:35.520All that, you know, historical stuff we do is to trace these threads, figuring out where
03:33:41.040society started, where it went wrong, but also saying like, okay, if you want to get back to
03:33:45.580something, what do you need to do? Do you need to buy some land? Do you need to start a church?
03:33:49.020you start a business like tell me the five-step plan to make this better and that is something0.97
03:33:53.880that's very lacking in this scene like give me a fucking 20 20 year plan because we got guys who0.91
03:33:59.400can do it but a lot of people they don't even know how to approach that they can only speak0.56
03:34:03.220in sort of bird's eye view complicated terms but that to me isn't even that interesting and i think
03:34:09.060that poses as a distraction for a lot of people anyway that's my feeling anyway like if you if
03:34:16.460you can't prescribe even a blue sky plan on like how to like if everything goes right here's five
03:34:23.760things you could do to maybe make society better a lot of people don't even have that if they had
03:34:27.520a billion dollars they wouldn't know how to spend it right anyway i'm just i'm just rambling now
03:34:35.260well thanks for having me on guys i i hope i was a satisfactory guest oh i appreciate it man it was
03:34:42.720really good it was really good we'll have you back on again too because i really enjoyed this
03:34:45.980we're just having fun it just just yeah definitely i feel like i could read the phone book with you
03:34:50.320yeah all right and just to let people know go listen to the jay burden show it's a wonderful
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03:35:13.340Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling, tossed salads and scrambled eggs.