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00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be a

00:00:07.840 blood satellite i just want i want to check the baby monitor here because i think they're going

00:00:21.360 ape shit i just want to make sure that what's ape shit for them um here they are

00:00:29.260 running in circles they're not hurting each other so it's fine okay i can't tell the difference

00:00:36.180 between good and bad chaos in that sense because that sounded like something from the ring they've

00:00:41.820 got because there's no ac right so they've got the fan in the middle of the room and they're

00:00:45.080 running around it like it's fucking

00:00:46.840 midsummer and like

00:00:48.140 chanting.

00:00:51.900 The heat's made

00:00:53.020 them positively pagan.

00:00:55.020 Yeah.

00:00:58.380 You know

00:00:59.060 fuck that the AC went out so

00:01:00.860 they turn into like one of those

00:01:02.540 corn cults you hear about.

00:01:07.420 It's so easy.

00:01:08.740 It's fucking epigenetic. It's in there somewhere.

00:01:11.080 It's hard to know who to sacrifice

00:01:12.900 if you just got two people.

00:01:15.080 i wonder what the max carrying capacity for a cult needs to be before it gets weird because

00:01:22.400 you always hear about cults doing the mass sacrifice human sacrifice suicide but like

00:01:28.340 it is weird if it's just six people it needs to be but what's the ideal number yeah i mean

00:01:35.000 there's probably a pretty wide range like scientology how many people are in scientology

00:01:38.180 you know it's like millions so i want to check in on scientology yeah yeah i haven't heard much

00:01:44.600 about them you know like the peak era of giving a shit about scientology was what what 10 12 years

00:01:50.960 ago i felt like i remember watching a bunch of documentaries on it in like 2016 17 there's

00:01:57.940 something to do with like miscavage that either like he had stepped not like left but stepped back

00:02:03.640 from leadership and they kind of fizzled a little bit like they got a little bit less aggressive

00:02:09.100 because there was a time there where they were like vanning people and like gang stalking

00:02:13.580 critics and shit in florida or where i forget they're they have a city like they own a city

00:02:18.020 in the southern u.s do you remember that it's like tampa or something like it's like they

00:02:24.240 literally run the government there i forget it's probably not tampa it's some city in florida i

00:02:28.260 like every explanation i've heard for scientology i get it i get that some people view it as just

00:02:35.640 a networking organization if you're in hollywood being a scientologist actually

00:02:40.480 it connects you in some way to tom cruise and a bunch of agents it's i think what scientology

00:02:46.800 might have been at the start was a bunch of white actors inventing judaism in hollywood

00:02:54.240 we can't get into that so we're gonna do this thing over here that's basically the same thing

00:03:00.200 we're gonna inventing inventing judaism in hollywood is such a funny thing like

00:03:03.880 come on man well it's hollywood so they love sequels yeah

00:03:08.880 it's jew too that's what scientology is but i'm like okay get that angle and that's been

00:03:17.320 established then there's the angle of this was l run hubbard's personality cult which makes sense

00:03:23.000 But I have not heard a case that David Miscavige stepped into that personality.

00:03:28.300 Because, look, if you have a cult, you can only have one cult leader.

00:03:31.200 It's not that that cult leader with a direct line to the divine dies.

00:03:35.980 And then there's another one.

00:03:37.140 You usually even still worship that guy, even in death.

00:03:41.140 Yeah.

00:03:41.400 So David Miscavige doesn't seem like an L. Ron Hubbard type.

00:03:44.000 So I don't see what's in it for him.

00:03:46.520 Then I guess I just want to know what the end game is for them.

00:03:49.560 It's a lot of hullabaloo.

00:03:50.840 well and also hubbard hubbard wasn't like a kokesh you know or or uh you know he was hubbard wasn't

00:03:57.040 your typical cult leader he was just a uh it was just a normal psycho you know like it to me

00:04:02.180 scientology seemed to be about like money and power from the get-go it doesn't seem like there

00:04:08.100 ever was like a big mass suicide plan i think that's the reason like you're asking at the

00:04:13.000 beginning like what's the carrying capacity of these before they blow apart well like one that's

00:04:16.600 designed essentially to be extremely charismatic multi-level marketing that gets like and then

00:04:22.460 it's it's mo is like getting involved in institutional politics like all right that

00:04:28.060 could have legs like the scientology might be around in a thousand years i think to be honest

00:04:32.560 it should be you know what fuck it i'm thinking i'm thinking i'm a scientologist

00:04:37.980 i hate them i think we should bully them for fun and like do um we shouldn't do crimes because

00:04:45.720 crimes are illegal but like you should you know fuck them people keep asking me if i'm a

00:04:51.680 scientologist and i didn't have an answer and you know what i'm thinking yeah i'm a scientologist

00:04:59.060 yeah but you didn't pay for the books you can't just you can't just borrow the books i gotta read

00:05:04.180 a bunch of shit too boy you gotta learn to read see this i know scientology is like white judaism

00:05:10.800 or a white execution of Judaism

00:05:13.720 because I don't hear any perverted stuff going on in there.

00:05:17.160 It's just drugs.

00:05:18.840 That's like a white guy thing to do.

00:05:20.420 It's a hang.

00:05:21.820 Elrond Hubbard, what's he known for?

00:05:23.120 Not pedophilia, as far as I know.

00:05:25.520 He's not sucking blood.

00:05:26.760 I don't hear about any child sacrifices. 1.00

00:05:30.080 All I hear is about a bunch of mouthy bitches who disappeared. 1.00

00:05:34.380 Zaste.

00:05:35.240 Then I hear, oh, he liked to drink a lot

00:05:38.140 and do a bunch of psychedelics.

00:05:40.800 double zaced okay well then there you're trying to get me all pissed off i feel like i've been

00:05:49.380 sighed by by judaism one fucking dolphins on a navy aircraft carrier in the south pacific like

00:05:56.700 damn bro i mean that's yeah how many times have we said it white men only got a handful of dreams

00:06:03.140 in life one having a loyal dog two owning a boat doesn't actually matter what kind of boat

00:06:10.460 he did it yeah he might have had a dog but pretty much it yeah this hinges on him possibly having

00:06:17.920 a dog that's all right no because he he collected women like 10 000 women is one dog you're saying

00:06:24.460 he had a bitch for sure yeah yeah but it's it's the mathematics it's you know he didn't have

00:06:30.740 hoflation back then that's true all right i got first of all before we got some stuff talked about

00:06:36.540 i know you you got riled up about something we had half a podcast just before we hit record on this

00:06:43.260 yeah i'm exhausted but i just i want to describe this to you i don't know someone sent a message

00:06:50.140 in the chat and they they gave me a title and in brackets put do not research and it sat there for

00:06:58.160 days and i just went ahead and did it it's called devil facial tumor disease what it's about like

00:07:06.500 tasmanian devils getting like infected with cancer and i i open up it's wikipedia this is a real

00:07:13.240 thing devil facial tumor disease dftd seems like they mount the same type of sin

00:07:22.540 sin syllables holy shit i can't talk it's an aggressive non-viral clonally transmissible

00:07:30.040 cancer, which affects Tasmanian devils and marsupial native to Australia. First described

00:07:36.480 in 1996, it basically it makes facial tumors just kind of pop up. In 1996, Tasmanian devil

00:07:47.140 populations were at their peak at about 53,000. That number has fallen to an estimated 17,000

00:07:54.040 devils and is predicted to decline further to about 12,000 devils.

00:07:59.820 The reason for the decline is devil facial tumour disease or DFTD.

00:08:04.660 It's caused by two aggressive cancers which are transmitted by devils biting each other.

00:08:09.360 Most devils will die within 6 to 12 months of the tumour first appearing and death is

00:08:15.600 a consequence either of starvation, depending on the location of the tumour, as its name

00:08:21.280 suggests most cancers will occur either on the face or inside the mouth it's it's a cancer that's

00:08:27.360 transmittable that's really what i wanted to get at here cool and i'm reading about it and it's got

00:08:33.960 it's got breakdowns of the types of tumors and i don't know you know how we talk about the cia we

00:08:39.320 talk about drug research and stuff and i i'm reading this and the images are horrifying

00:08:45.040 tumors coming out your face that's all i need to say fill in the blanks whatever you're

00:08:50.900 underimagining is what it is but to get it you have to bite somebody else's in you know tumor

00:08:56.580 face or no just bite i don't know if it's that bite their tumor face but you know i can look i

00:09:02.640 can give you a plan to get you to bite a tumor face um you first of all yes i would never even

00:09:09.060 argue that but i'm just pointing out that the the medical documentation says here that it's

00:09:13.940 primarily transmitted when one tasmanian devil bites another in the face uh that has a tumor

00:09:19.420 Now, I would ask you, do we have a lot of sympathy for a creature who regularly bites the tumored faces of his brethren?

00:09:26.280 I don't know.

00:09:27.580 Well, I mean, you know, women like being bitten. 1.00

00:09:31.500 Fair. 1.00

00:09:32.160 Yeah.

00:09:32.680 Fair.

00:09:32.860 So, you know, I can't shake the feeling that this is something that our grandchildren are going to have to deal with.

00:09:40.600 Yes.

00:09:41.800 You're going to have to, I caught cancer. 1.00

00:09:44.940 Becky caught cancer. 1.00

00:09:46.480 She's a biter.

00:09:46.720 It wasn't my fault.

00:09:47.380 my wife she's covered in tumors and i was just you know biting the tumors as you do and now i

00:09:53.960 have tumors and i mean who could have predicted this horrible outcome this tragedy it's like the

00:09:58.560 early days of aids you thought you couldn't get it they try to tell you that sodomy was the safest

00:10:04.860 form of sex and gays believe that to this day that's why they still keep getting it sir can

00:10:09.620 you please just turn the lights on so we can at least see the tumors no you fascist this is part

00:10:16.280 of it this is what we play for oh man so before uh moving on from that uh we have like a big

00:10:26.040 couple of topics to talk about but something had come across my desk and you had said you could

00:10:32.840 probably talk about this for the whole episode but i wanted to i'll explain it i'll set it up for

00:10:37.500 people so i saw a tweet that was making the rounds and it's by the account the frugal gay

00:10:46.680 now let's put a pin in that you know that's it's not relevant but it's not irrelevant either yeah

00:10:53.720 it's saying home depot is offering a one bedroom one bathroom 540 square foot prefabricated house

00:11:02.700 for 44 000 it has an image here um all in and there's different rates we talked about this

00:11:10.300 before we've talked about tiny homes and things like that this is made till it's it kind of looks

00:11:16.520 modern it's got a nice spiral staircase on the outside goes to a roof looks like there's a grill

00:11:20.680 up there um like black on the outside that's a type of house i don't love my wife likes it more

00:11:27.440 i mean like kind of modern thing but i'm gonna let you go off but uh one thing i'll say to start

00:11:35.080 i think we might mention this before i'm a big advocate of um the nick rochefort realist scuffed

00:11:41.980 realtor streams um i think we might have mentioned that before a couple of times but uh i have his

00:11:49.220 voice in my head screaming at this thing screaming at a lot of decisions that are supposed to look

00:11:56.980 visually appealing but are ultimately extremely cheap now yeah is that am i on the right track

00:12:03.380 and how further on the track should i go i think i mean yes absolutely yes but i think like

00:12:12.580 kind of like with scuffed realtor like a lot of the stuff that they pick on

00:12:16.580 is kind of already talking past the deal a bit like you're all you're already accepting the

00:12:21.860 prices what it is the market is what it is people's tastes are what they are and now let's kind of

00:12:26.580 to mock what's available and then try to make a decision on what we're going to buy but like to

00:12:30.620 get to that point you have to kind of step back and be like your grandfather would be vomiting

00:12:36.500 on the floor and shooting himself in the head if he saw this like it's just it's shocking that it's

00:12:42.040 it's an insult to even have this on the market it's well counterpoint to that though for like

00:12:49.140 decades uh they they've sold prefabricated houses going oh absolutely absolutely i should yeah so

00:12:55.400 we can get into the details of why i don't have a problem with prefabricated homes i actually think

00:12:59.220 i i think there was a time prior to the suburbs when prefabricated homes or like home kits even

00:13:05.480 in like the pre-war years were common i think i think those were great but let me let me just

00:13:10.160 clarify that my source for this is and always has been red dead redemption 2 that part near the end

00:13:17.420 where you build you buy a prefab house and build it but it's literally just like they drop a bunch

00:13:22.520 of pre-cut lumber on your lawn you need to hammer it all together still right so that i mean that's

00:13:27.860 just divisional labor like they're saying well you know we have a mill we know roughly how homes

00:13:31.320 are built you're going to buy timber from us anyways how about we discuss a plan we cut all

00:13:35.600 the pieces for you and we also give you the hardware when we drop it off and then you build

00:13:39.360 it like that's i think that's great that's just the economy at work you know the 1850s they drop

00:13:44.020 you off all the wood and an allen key and then there you go and an allen key they still just

00:13:49.940 give you a fucking allen key one allen key it's like it don't matter how you hold it it doesn't

00:13:56.400 turn right there's 88 000 nails and they give you an extra three in case you lose some

00:14:01.460 then your fucking wife you're in the in the context of the story your prostitute wife 0.93

00:14:09.580 is on your case saying they wouldn't pack extra nails and this is of course they would

00:14:14.660 why wouldn't they i would but they don't believe that they pack extra stuff it's

00:14:19.320 the deranged nonsense 1.00

00:14:21.800 of a terminally female mind 1.00

00:14:23.860 this is another thing 1.00

00:14:25.580 so

00:14:27.160 what are your thoughts on aside from

00:14:29.760 the grandfather

00:14:31.340 cry aspect of it like what's

00:14:33.920 your main gripe with these sorts

00:14:35.800 of things

00:14:36.080 explain it to someone who is on the fence

00:14:39.880 about it someone perhaps named

00:14:41.620 Dimes who is

00:14:43.160 on the market for like oh how because what they would say

00:14:45.700 is house prices are astronomical

00:14:47.340 I want a house, need a place to live

00:14:49.480 I'm looking for options

00:14:51.540 What do we got?

00:14:52.460 You already touched on price so I won't talk about price

00:14:54.880 I do want to say

00:14:55.740 The Twitter account that posted it

00:14:58.200 His name is The Frugal Gay

00:14:59.280 As if he's trying to excuse his gayness by advertising his frugality

00:15:03.600 I thought that was kind of good

00:15:05.400 Anyway

00:15:05.960 Here's a pinned tweet from him

00:15:08.920 Explaining it

00:15:11.480 And he's saying

00:15:12.680 Why do you call yourself The Frugal Gay number one

00:15:15.420 He explains it very succinctly

00:15:17.260 i am frugal and i am gay he's like i'm not like those other gays yeah i'm not sashing around the

00:15:25.600 bank he's got a very modest like you know button up short sleeve shirt and a backwards baseball

00:15:32.860 cap he's just a frugal gay sorry that's totally off topic my biggest thing like right and i i'm

00:15:37.900 actually aside from the post i'm actually on home people's website i'm looking at their other models

00:15:41.640 and they're all equally bad but this is especially bad so and as a canadian anyways the staircase

00:15:48.020 so people know that that judas is an expert on wood i would not take anyone's opinion on wood

00:15:55.940 craftsmanship above his and you probably have direct experience in this sort of thing just

00:16:01.600 let people know sorry you continue a little a little bit less on like actual home construction

00:16:05.480 but on a lot of other things yeah but i mean just from i i do i do i'll tell you i know a lot about

00:16:10.500 interiors and i will tell you part of the problem with this is it's not an interior

00:16:15.440 it's kind of like a frugal gay thing to say it's a frugal thing the only the only staircase on this

00:16:20.920 house first of all is exterior second of all it is a spiral staircase it's a spiral staircase there

00:16:26.880 is one staircase in the second level and it is spiral and there is no reason for it to be a

00:16:33.260 spiral so it's like if you want to go if you're sleeping and you want to take a shit you have to

00:16:37.900 go outside down a spiral staircase and go back inside also if you want to like move a sofa up to

00:16:44.260 the second floor you're going up a fucking spiral staircase now i i assumed the living all the

00:16:50.280 living stuff was on the main floor but that's right i think the live the bedroom the bedroom's

00:16:56.240 up there so you need to go outside anytime you want to use the washroom anyway and i mean i've

00:17:01.280 seen dumber things but that's definitely up there with stupid fucking things um yeah another just

00:17:07.440 obvious one and i guess this is kind of second order but it really it's still fairly obvious as

00:17:13.140 a canadian this is clearly like a steel skinned box like unless the rendering is not real but

00:17:20.600 it looks like your walls are maybe seven inches thick and they're the outside is like an inch and

00:17:27.780 a half is taken up by the corrugation of the steel so like this is not insulated at all this

00:17:33.200 is a fucking steel box with like plaster on the inside so and it's black on the outside so it's

00:17:39.320 going to be a literal oven in the in the summer and it's going to be a freezer in the winter

00:17:44.600 and you have these shitty glass windows that i guess i guess in fairness there's not many windows

00:17:51.860 so it's going to be hideous on the inside but at least you won't have as much passive solar heat

00:17:55.580 i'm assuming it has an air conditioner somewhere i guess on the roof i don't know it just it looks

00:18:00.480 like i i think that's i don't know if you picked this one as a joke but it looks like he's supporting

00:18:05.260 it but like this one compared to the other ones on the website so there's other ones on their

00:18:09.240 website that look more like an actual house this looks like somebody took like uh a condemned

00:18:15.160 industrial storage unit and tried to live in it that's what this looks like and that is what i

00:18:20.620 think a lot of them are based off of because they were really trying to push shipping container

00:18:23.900 houses for a couple years there and no one was taking it so i think they just took the premise

00:18:29.160 because strip away some of the extra stuff this is a shipping container and then the wild thing

00:18:34.740 is like shipping container houses i get where people are coming from like first of all you're

00:18:38.300 admitting i'm literally as poor as i can get and then you're saying well how can i get something

00:18:43.620 that's prefabricated not prefabricated so much as it's like repurposed so like an old shipping

00:18:48.840 container which is no longer fit for shipping is literally trash like it's only worth the weight

00:18:54.120 of the metal so you can get that and fill it with you know styrofoam fish boxes and live in it and

00:19:00.600 if you're admitting at least that this is poverty and if you can you know wheel and deal you might

00:19:04.780 be able to do that if you had land for a thousand dollars right fine i'm actually on board with that

00:19:09.400 i actually know a guy who lives in a shipping container so and he's a he's a cool guy but this

00:19:13.820 is fucking 44 000 us dollars so like canadian that's like what 60k yeah like this is and it's

00:19:23.420 not repurposed it's prefabricated so like this is designed and built as a product and it's advertised

00:19:29.320 at it like a big a major brand as if it's like a cool thing you should want to buy and that that's

00:19:35.140 actually my biggest problem with it is it's like and i just i don't want to go into a whole tangent

00:19:40.160 but like i worked one of my business partners previously was a guy who was involved considered

00:19:46.040 himself kind of uh philanthropist and viewed all of the problems with the property market this is

00:19:52.280 in hong kong where they also have a huge problem with property and he's like how can we help people

00:19:56.860 maybe we can help people by offering them incrementally smaller and shittier spaces

00:20:02.600 but we're doing them a favor because they can't afford anything else so now you're the guy whose

00:20:07.500 job it is through advertising to normalize a quality of life that your ancestors would vomit

00:20:14.580 at like it's it's your job to sell that and it's like i guess technically you're providing something

00:20:20.960 but like wouldn't like bullets be easier i don't know like there's other ways to solve this problem

00:20:25.760 like i want that tattooed on either our foreheads or we buy a guy and put on his forehead bullets

00:20:33.380 would be easier bullets would be easier everything you need to know is is packaged right in that

00:20:40.620 sentence and i'm just gonna leave that i'm not even gonna say what i mean by that i'm just gonna

00:20:44.880 say i mean something yeah but but this is why i always tell people this that you know a lot of

00:20:51.080 i don't say europeans because europeans have a very diverse way of life but i like especially

00:20:57.300 in asia let's say asia and india they will look at the way north americans live as if we are very

00:21:03.820 gluttonous with space we like to take up a lot of space i like one piece one house on a huge

00:21:11.660 acreage of land that's just for me no one's allowed to live there i want not one big truck

00:21:16.880 i want a big truck for everyone in my family and we all drive different trucks every time someone

00:21:22.620 says do you know that one bus could cut back for just i don't give a shit don't care i want to get

00:21:28.580 rid of all buses and put those people in ford f-150s yeah and that's a way of life i like expand

00:21:36.020 I like having that control.

00:21:38.200 I like a big house.

00:21:39.620 I like a big cereal.

00:21:41.320 I like a big piece of meat.

00:21:43.080 And I don't feel ashamed about it.

00:21:46.280 And I know a lot of companies are interested in other populations because they are used to it.

00:21:53.060 They're used to Indians.

00:21:53.960 And I heard Indians say this before.

00:21:56.000 They'll say, you know, one of the reasons Silicon Valley loves us is because we're used to living five to a room.

00:22:01.080 And I'm like, I'm not used to that.

00:22:03.380 I won't get used to that.

00:22:04.660 And I find it reprehensible, the thought that I need to get used to that.

00:22:08.600 Yeah, and it also – like you're alienating yourself to the extent now – further, I should say, that we now want to remove you from our society because you are normalizing something.

00:22:18.480 You're causing our own elite, our own institutions to recommend something to us, which is okay for you but is disgusting to us.

00:22:23.740 So please stop.

00:22:24.520 And just like I read this story, it was a interview with a farmer somewhere in the south of the US. And he was doing that same line about how we need migrant workers because they, they do they work harder for less than Americans. And I'm like, that doesn't mean what you think it means. And he was saying, get ready to pay more at the grocery store. Okay, how much more? Five cents an avocado? Okay, but I'm not, I'm not going to hear you say that and think, wow, you know what?

00:22:54.520 I need to live shittier to stay competitive.

00:22:57.140 And I think everyone implicitly understands that,

00:22:59.840 but I think you need to get angrier at people who say things like that.

00:23:03.380 Like,

00:23:03.600 Oh,

00:23:03.720 do you know that,

00:23:04.660 you know,

00:23:05.100 your average Bangladeshi,

00:23:07.280 fuck them.

00:23:08.140 I don't care.

00:23:09.120 That's why I look at them as a different type of creature.

00:23:13.360 Like the idea of live,

00:23:15.360 like when you see people take giving you a tour,

00:23:17.260 I've seen Indians give tours of like the capital city.

00:23:20.400 And it's like,

00:23:21.020 they're walking in garbage.

00:23:22.440 like they're they're knee deep in garbage yeah yeah i'm like i i think that's disgusting i'll

00:23:28.540 never not think it's disgusting i know it's economical i know when i hear about fucking

00:23:34.060 chinese people living in cages like think about how much they save on rent it's let me think how

00:23:40.820 i can say this it's it's worth more going to jail to fight the people who are trying to make you

00:23:50.420 stay in that not you know i see like it's a jail cell is preferable to living in that so you might

00:23:55.600 as well go to jail fighting the people who are trying to put you into that like imagine i'd

00:24:02.160 rather be in jail than live in a fucking cage than live in a pod yeah the one about the mexican

00:24:07.640 or max yeah it's freudian slip there the texan farmer i should say uh who was complaining or

00:24:13.280 floridian or whoever who's complaining about the lack of mexican migrant workers and he's like oh

00:24:18.480 well you know if we can't have our cheap immigrant labor then you're gonna have to make up the

00:24:22.460 difference you're gonna have to pay it at the grocery store all you need to know is contained 0.92

00:24:26.440 within that because you know that that motherfucker is making a killing and that's on top of the

00:24:31.560 subsidy that he gets from the federal and state government he's making an absolute killing you

00:24:36.840 can't afford food and the mexicans are slaves and he's saying if i can't have my slaves you you won't

00:24:41.860 you'll be able to afford even less food and it's it's like a snapshot of that farmer and do that

00:24:48.340 sort of match his fit image and it shows like what he's wearing and how much it costs and like

00:24:53.200 that's a 700 flannel he's wearing yeah yeah there's an 800 bolo tie it's got fucking rhinestones

00:24:59.420 in it like that's a john deere hat from the site that regular people they don't get access to that

00:25:04.620 site the special john deere hat oh man that's that's made from the skins of the white people

00:25:12.480 used to work but i guess i mean that was kind of ham-fisted but the point i'm trying to make is

00:25:16.460 that it's false economy it's false economy in many ways but the most important way it's false

00:25:22.540 is because it's not economy for you it's economy for them they're they're not saying there's a

00:25:29.900 like capital a discount broadly for everyone he's saying there's a discount for me and if i can't

00:25:36.980 keep it i'm going to take it out of your skin that's what he's saying yeah right is i'm rich

00:25:41.640 and i'm going to stay rich and you you're not he's essentially saying you taking away the the

00:25:46.740 slave labor is not going to prevent me from being rich it's just going to make you poor

00:25:51.120 and he's just fucking saying it this is the thing i like about americans that i wish we had more of

00:25:57.080 like they are willing to go to the mat for the excesses of their life now that can get you into

00:26:02.740 a ron swanson territory where you become like a parody of yourself but i do like the fact that

00:26:09.420 they're like i will shoot you in your face if you try and make the burger smarter i'm i'm going to

00:26:16.980 go to the mat justifying the excesses of my life because just because i say i should have it and

00:26:22.720 that's enough i don't care just like the gun thing i'm gonna own two guess what i'm gonna own 200

00:26:27.420 guns you don't need 200 guns fuck you you don't tell me what i need and there are things oh that's

00:26:32.700 like a libertarian thing i'm like i wish we had a bit more of that because that means when they

00:26:37.640 come for your stuff we're not used to fighting back that's what happened in australia they had

00:26:43.560 one shooting and then they took away their guns and now they just i just don't have guns and my

00:26:48.120 worry is that they i think the only reason they haven't really done that in canada is because

00:26:53.580 there is there is just enough of a core population pushing back but you know how for how long like

00:26:59.420 are we really used to doing that we should be i hope we take maybe a cue from the americans like

00:27:04.200 realizing that people saying that your lifestyle is unreasonable just don't accept that fuck it

00:27:11.080 i want to take up a lot of space it's in my fucking dna i don't care i don't want to live

00:27:16.280 like i don't want to live in the pods no but literally i don't i don't even like living in

00:27:20.900 apartments this is stupid the way we're living so for one talking about you know live in the pod

00:27:27.400 like the the fear of left-wingers or whoever that you know we can't all eat the beef you know it's

00:27:33.200 too much nitrogen and co2 in the environment we can't all have an f-150 you road hog and we can't

00:27:38.500 all have a big uh lawn you nimby wasp like well no we can't the the truth is we can't you you can't

00:27:46.280 have seven billion people that all have big lawns but then frankly i don't want you to have a lawn

00:27:53.140 i want me to have a lawn so i'm i'm not actually so mad at the floridian farmer defending his dumb

00:28:01.260 shit i'm mad at the police holding me back from getting my own dumb shit and going mano a mano

00:28:09.860 with this fat old boomer that's what i'm frustrated with i want the same opportunity to take shit at

00:28:16.280 the point of a gun that he had 40 years ago that we no longer have right and then the other thing

00:28:21.180 and i got off topic there but the whole thing about we can't all eat meat we can't all have

00:28:25.440 the truck maybe we should get rid of some people like in canada canada is a great example there's

00:28:30.500 they're like we and i'm bleeding in a little bit polyev had a had an interview recently where

00:28:36.220 somebody asked him how would you solve the housing crisis the housing crisis is top of mind for

00:28:40.660 canadians and it's a big blank of his of his new campaign for the election and he says i will make

00:28:46.520 sure that every municipality is rewarded for housing and i can see it already i know exactly

00:28:52.820 what it is because they're already fucking doing it they're building even in my small town in the

00:28:57.120 of nowhere extremely high density low quality housing in bad areas so that they can say we

00:29:04.240 increased housing we talked about this that oh we're going to increase the there's going to be

00:29:08.640 a housing boom to keep up with all the immigration i'm like you have no idea how bad these houses are

00:29:13.760 going to be right if suburban houses are already built like shit get ready for these like home

00:29:19.400 depot prefab homes fucking everywhere so when somebody comes to you and says the solution to

00:29:25.480 the housing crisis is build more houses i would say no the solution to the housing crisis and this

00:29:31.240 is counterintuitive is actually burn houses down not literally but i mean you need to get we have

00:29:38.500 too many houses there's if you think of it what is a real canadian there's probably 10 homes for

00:29:43.800 every actual can canadian in canada there's more than enough homes we should knock a bunch of them

00:29:48.900 over actually and grow flowers because there's so many fucking homes the problem is there's so many

00:29:54.040 non-canadians in canada that's the actual issue and it's the same in america and it's the same

00:29:59.060 in europe there isn't actually a housing problem this is why i like blood satellite you start with

00:30:03.580 how do we solve the housing crisis we have a whole rigmarole and it ends with burning most of the

00:30:08.800 houses down and you think there's no way they can get there we did you got we're there you got to

00:30:19.880 listen to it you got to listen to the little thing and just like that oh you're not going to

00:30:22.760 be able to eat the beef you're not going to be able to do this or that like you people need to

00:30:27.060 understand i there might not even be enough beef i will dress you like a cow and i will eat you

00:30:33.600 you need to understand i will lose my mind before i become you yeah i actually think i will become

00:30:39.980 insane before i become who you want me to be i think those battery cattle yards where they they

00:30:45.300 hold cattle for export i think those are totally inhumane and they should shut all of them down

00:30:49.060 even if it cuts 80 out of the beef market i also think we should stop exporting beef i also think

00:30:53.920 we should kick everybody out of the continent who isn't a natural uh and then there's only off and

00:30:58.880 then there's loads of beef and it's only a dollar a pound right because it's us growing beef for

00:31:02.800 ourselves why the fuck are we exporting beef i was in hong kong and we have i swear to you at the

00:31:08.360 grocery stores in hong kong the good milk that's like 15 cents more per liter is american milk it

00:31:15.360 is imported from the u.s in fucking hong kong so if you ever wonder why the price of milk in

00:31:21.660 the u.s is where it is you're fucking exporting milk to china like to a group of people a

00:31:29.460 demographic that is lactose intolerant they can't even drink it they buy it to put it on the shelf

00:31:34.920 like a fucking ouzo they just show to their friends it's the guanxi they give it to their

00:31:39.780 buddies for his kids graduation so they can get their driver's license renewed that's what

00:31:43.460 american milk is to them milk is currency this is all a money laundering scheme i know it doesn't

00:31:48.980 make sense but just take my word for it we're kind of china experts around here

00:31:53.280 we're called it's called we do a little be a china expert

00:31:58.520 all right so no no to the prefab home is there a way to do this right is there a way i i guess

00:32:08.100 the way to do it right is to build a fucking house but is there a low cost easy option still

00:32:15.920 to i guess you need the land i mean it's a dumb question because it just comes down to land doesn't

00:32:20.860 it i mean okay so here's the thing aside from the design of this thing being bad all else being

00:32:27.480 equal somebody in this economy offering a prefabricated home 44 000 is what you're going

00:32:34.840 get you know i mean that's that story that's what you're gonna pay for that quality of house and

00:32:39.240 that just has to do with the inflation of the materials and labor that are involved in putting

00:32:42.980 that thing together assumedly it's made in north america uh and but i mean that's that's not home

00:32:47.980 depot's problem and that's not a problem with the prefab home industry that's just the entire

00:32:51.400 fucking economy uh but like prefab homes like we were talking earlier about the 19th century

00:32:56.920 and the idea that the guy who is producing the raw materials uh integrates horizontally and says

00:33:02.960 why don't i mill these to size and shape based on some prefabricated plans to just save you some

00:33:08.420 work because you don't have large tools and then you can do the rest with hand tools i would like

00:33:12.240 to see that again but you know what if you did that now that kit of timber would cost 250 000

00:33:18.960 dollars because that's how much like good you know 40 foot pine beams cost right now but you know

00:33:25.280 what that would still be preferable i think if you could sort out the construction because right

00:33:30.880 now that that a good you know material good material let's let's pause and contemplate this

00:33:38.500 sentence i was about to say like having because right now it would cost you 800 000 for shitty

00:33:44.060 materials that might be preferable to for 250 grand all in to get superior materials and then

00:33:51.860 i guess you'd start out the land and then the septic and everything and like guys on the homestead

00:33:57.160 have already gone this this road of like well if it's 250k like if you wanted to get a uh like a

00:34:01.740 log home built or something right now and even if you pay for you pay for the labor it's about the

00:34:05.740 same as like buying a shitty old suburban home so people do do that it's like 500 grand um but it's

00:34:11.600 like beyond that if you're going to go up north and buy if you have 500 grand you spend 100 grand

00:34:17.160 for 50 acres and then you spend 50 grand on equipment like a a cat or a kubota and a and a

00:34:24.400 like a norwood 50 50 000 cat hey oh is that fucking is a tiger but no it's like the point

00:34:31.900 is he do some tricks what does he fucking sell up what does he fucking does he do some shit

00:34:37.520 the point is you can you can build your own and everybody's seeing this now we've talked about

00:34:43.460 everybody's talked about it that like the the kind of dollar values that people are talking about now

00:34:48.060 you could build your own five times over it's just and then the kind of the irony or the sad

00:34:53.860 that's not ironic i guess it's just sad is there are very few people left who have the tenacity

00:34:59.340 and the the hard skills to actually build a home whereas like 90 of our ancestors wouldn't really

00:35:06.420 bat an eye at that so yeah sorry i got a tab open here like build your own shipping container home

00:35:12.980 like what it never sounded good to begin with but there's still people doing it like it looks like

00:35:19.120 why why would you ever live in this like you would need to do so much to make it into anything and i

00:35:25.100 still have people like what if you like start stacking them i'm like you're just introducing

00:35:29.660 new so then now you got to get a fucking welding them together and like cutting the steel on the

00:35:35.580 inside and make these because you're doing it yourself you're making these like jagged edges

00:35:40.040 where you get face cancer and you fucking start fighting on it which you will funny funny story

00:35:45.400 about welding uh shipping container homes together because i actually loaned my welding

00:35:50.220 equipment and labor i didn't actually go to site but one of my my my head welder i lent to this guy

00:35:56.160 who was living in these shipping containers to weld it together and i guess because of the way

00:36:00.820 that you have to ground the container which they didn't do correctly the guy fucking electrocuted

00:36:05.800 his foot and had to go to the hospital trying to weld these things together and i apparently like

00:36:10.900 because it's muddy where they were that he wasn't wearing boots like and he wasn't not that he

00:36:14.080 wasn't wearing protective building complex in the mud sinking like just a series of poor decisions

00:36:20.520 on like a 30 degree incline on a mountainside yeah it's fucking retarded this is the type of

00:36:25.500 mind who would go for this though like there's no way to do it right he's he sounds crazy and

00:36:31.160 then he you got to understand he's a six foot five boar like a dutch south african that's okay it's

00:36:38.320 like okay now now it makes sense like insane mountain man nigger hating warrior he's a great

00:36:45.180 guy cool cool guy he hated black people so much he decided to build an insane contraption on the

00:36:50.560 side of the mountain he did that's the end game of the boars is like becoming tibetans

00:36:55.900 all right so i guess i'm not going to be doing that you know so i just saw something today

00:37:04.060 um i think a lot of people are aware of the meme that black people do not change the batteries and

00:37:12.260 their smoke detectors you're all man yeah yeah yeah and it's not a socioeconomic thing right now

00:37:18.440 there are black millionaires and there's that chirp going off in their house yeah and we became

00:37:26.060 aware of this racially all of every white person learned about this at the same time

00:37:30.960 maybe if you used to hang out with black people but you know why would you because very rarely

00:37:38.160 are white people invited into black people's house people think they are they're actually

00:37:41.420 not they make you wait outside or they make you wait in a decoy house that's what a trap house

00:37:45.980 originally was it's not like a drug house it's the trap for white people the separate house you

00:37:51.840 keep them in and then there's the real black house behind it and then they wonder why the

00:37:56.880 the socioeconomic this and that i'm not going to get into it but you got two houses for a dumb

00:38:02.220 reason i mean come on it's a lot of extra cost your fixed overhead is huge yes this led to the

00:38:07.580 sort of urban legend that for every black person there's two black people because they're like well

00:38:13.640 that only makes sense no not they just have two houses two apartments two cars every two cars

00:38:21.540 have eight wheels total etc uh eight wheels per car i mean so a total of 16 wheels they're driving

00:38:29.140 50 000 cats yeah it's it it's a it's a fun way to live if you are black if you're not it's it's

00:38:35.620 troubling but uh there's this i had long story short i had an idea um where the funny thing is

00:38:44.960 that black people i think they stop noticing that that chirp is there and i had an idea to employ

00:38:51.260 the use of a yak back.

00:38:54.160 You don't remember what a yak back is, right?

00:38:56.000 Oh, yeah, of course.

00:38:57.380 What can you do with a yak back, too?

00:38:59.420 Make fangs sound like

00:39:00.960 fluffy.

00:39:02.880 With boys' warp, you can warp anything.

00:39:04.660 Your dad, clean

00:39:06.500 your room.

00:39:08.060 Clean your bed.

00:39:10.580 Miss Henry.

00:39:11.920 Work, work, work, work, work.

00:39:14.220 Your little brother.

00:39:15.820 Please, please, please.

00:39:17.980 So what about you?

00:39:19.840 I be huge.

00:39:20.960 essentially i wanted to create a device and attach it to black people

00:39:31.760 where that chirp is always emanating from them in the real world and so you can kind of detect

00:39:38.760 where they are in your proximity that's that's a fucking awesome idea actually that's so crazy

00:39:47.440 you can just hear the chirp you hear the chirp around the corner and you know they're coming

00:39:51.000 and they can't even fucking hear it it's like a homing device but like it's so oh man that's

00:39:57.360 awesome it's the damnedest thing because they do notice it but you watch them immediately forget

00:40:02.400 about right after it's like watching it it's like like watching a bunny in a sense you're like so

00:40:07.760 you know it's there you hear it and then you they kind of look up startled and then go back to

00:40:11.940 whatever it is they're doing and then but they never like try and figure it out it's it's the

00:40:16.420 damn it's like they're it's like their intellectual shutter speed is too slow you know what i mean

00:40:22.660 like they're not it's it's not a long enough loud enough noise to register as even an event like

00:40:30.060 their ears and their their hair picks it up but it doesn't even enter their brain i saw a couple

00:40:36.340 of them where they're interviewing people it was that that black guy who like interviews black

00:40:40.240 women about their horrible finances and he's like grilling her on the smoke alarm in the background

00:40:45.000 and she's like what noise there's no noise and he's like there it is again and she's like what

00:40:47.660 i don't hear anything like they can't they i didn't have breakfast this morning

00:40:52.840 um it's a very white sound by the way and i think that's why black people struggle with it

00:41:00.120 because it's sort of that you know nervous politeness the the chirp of the smoke alarm

00:41:07.120 just imagine kind of a white square going hola hola hi um you might want to not die of smoke

00:41:17.200 but white people black people just they don't like that they they x that out of their world

00:41:23.520 so they don't know what to do with it they don't really noises if you really wanted to save black

00:41:28.420 lives uh you could you could make a smoke alarm that the out of battery sound was like a police

00:41:34.580 siren like but like if you really really wanted to save black lives you would uh defund planned

00:41:41.100 parenthood oh sorry this is a very genocidal episode i still need to have like switching

00:41:47.260 up the noise to like the police and just like go barreling through the window

00:41:51.460 oh man every it's like uh it's like a statute of limitations on the house like black family

00:42:00.880 moves in and then three months later about the length of a double a battery they all jump out

00:42:05.100 the window suddenly i don't know what happened it's another one of our great pranks where once

00:42:09.820 again we suffer at the end of it it's like what do we get from this destroyed houses black corpses

00:42:16.060 stinking up the rug you know once again our best laid plans have ruined the property values

00:42:22.480 all right so i wanted to talk about something i found pretty interesting and we can kind of

00:42:29.300 just rummage around in this for a while but um this was uh a sequence of takes a matrix of takes

00:42:39.140 that i was encountering on our sector um of the the right and this was in the wake of the

00:42:47.380 bud light controversy uh the dylan mulvaney i don't need to go through the whole thing everyone

00:42:51.700 knows what i'm talking about um uh i think what we learned in the days and weeks since the peak

00:42:58.420 of that controversy is bud light is still struggling to recover and by all counts dylan

00:43:04.660 mulvaney as a influencer his stock has crashed through the floor i think i saw reports that you

00:43:12.020 know a few other brand deals he had kind of dropped out because now anytime this guy pops up

00:43:17.700 it's no one likes him he's toxic no brain wants to work with them even if you're into trans stuff

00:43:23.060 If you're no stay away from Dylan Mulvaney, right?

00:43:26.120 So I think a lot of people were surprised at how far it's come.

00:43:32.520 I'm not because I saw how they were panicking in the wake of it.

00:43:38.400 And we discussed this on a previous show.

00:43:40.500 And they are very desperately trying to claw back their audience.

00:43:44.240 But The Matrix of Takes relates to BlackRock.

00:43:50.320 and the BlackRock, the investment firm.

00:43:54.920 BlackRock is a financial giant.

00:43:57.520 It's the largest investor on planet Earth

00:43:59.680 with over $9 trillion in assets.

00:44:02.440 That's a pile of cash equal to about one-tenth

00:44:04.860 of a year's global economic activity.

00:44:07.700 That means the money managers at BlackRock

00:44:09.780 have a big say in how the world runs.

00:44:12.260 Here's CEO Larry Fink talking to CNBC in 2021.

00:44:15.780 And I've been on your show now

00:44:17.780 probably four times every year at the very least for 22 years as a public company and even longer

00:44:25.140 when we were private talking about retirement. BlackRock is indeed influential. In the U.S.,

00:44:31.220 it owns at least five percent of most major companies. That gives the firm lots of voting

00:44:36.100 power to determine how public businesses operate. BlackRock rose to the top of the financial system

00:44:42.340 in a short span of time. After its IPO in 1999, its stock has increased 7,539% through December 2020.

00:44:52.180 And this concept called ESG. And ESG stands for Environment, Society and Governance, I believe.

00:45:00.660 And I was listening to a stream by The Distributist, who did a stream about this whole

00:45:07.780 controversy. Then there's one by Radical Liberation, and the guest who was speaking was

00:45:14.960 an individual named The Black Horse, who we're interviewing, actually, at the end of this

00:45:19.160 episode. It's a fantastic interview. Can't recommend it enough. And they were talking

00:45:24.200 about this thing, this BlackRock and this ESG, and they were saying ESG is the financial force

00:45:31.020 that is projecting all of this social justice, woke capital trans stuff, specifically in this

00:45:37.120 case, the trans stuff. But generally, a lot of the woke shitlib stuff.

00:45:42.520 Quick recap. E stands for environmental. S stands for social. G stands for governance. ESG

00:45:49.020 investing means taking into consideration how a company's environmental, social and governance

00:45:53.760 performance will affect a company's financial performance and in turn use that to determine

00:45:58.540 investing in the company. According to a Morningstar direct report, a record $45.6 billion went into

00:46:05.160 the global sustainable fund universe in the first quarter of 2020.

00:46:10.140 Interest in sustainable investing jumped to 85 percent in 2019, up from 71 percent in

00:46:16.740 2015. Bank of America predicts the money in ESG investing could rise to between 15

00:46:23.700 and 20 trillion dollars because of changing demographics.

00:46:28.120 And I just want to preface this by saying that I disagree on some points that they

00:46:34.020 made however they came to the table with a lot of data and a lot of graphs that are accurate and

00:46:40.020 there are components of their arguments that are 100 true i don't disagree with everything they're

00:46:44.820 saying um i disagree with some of the conclusions and we'll get into those in a second but i just

00:46:48.980 didn't want to make it seem like i'm i'm trying to pick a fight or fly off the handle and it might

00:46:55.380 have seemed like that earlier today in the chat where i uh you know you know sometimes in the chat

00:47:02.180 when i'm driving i get a bit passionate when i'm making a point i just want to say for the record

00:47:08.740 that my last message might have been a bit boisterous i'm doing this from the inside of my

00:47:14.980 car sometimes when i'm in here i get a little passionate i've read online it it's an accurate

00:47:21.620 thing so i'd like to clarify my position because i feel like that behavior and that tone is not

00:47:29.140 not what I've been trying to cultivate here on blood satellite it's not what's good for the blood

00:47:33.760 satellite brand so I'd like to perhaps reframe some of those inelegant points I guess what I'm

00:47:42.700 trying to say is corporations at the end of the day doesn't matter how big the company is is no

00:47:49.840 one wants to lose a billion fucking dollars you apes you huns you collided vehicles god damn you

00:47:59.920 yeah no that's i could not describe it better yeah but the fact that matters that you know i

00:48:08.060 don't disagree with a lot of the premises of for example the claim being made not just by them but

00:48:15.220 this is a far-reaching claim that reaches all the way up to Tucker Carlson, right into the

00:48:20.460 conservative sector. There's a lot of people talking about BlackRock. What does that mean?

00:48:23.820 Okay, so BlackRock is probably the biggest investment firm out there right now, and is

00:48:30.960 headed by a man named Larry Fink, who looks and acts precisely like you would imagine.

00:48:37.800 Larry Fink of BlackRock sent a letter out to the world saying that ESG is a priority

00:48:44.640 for the asset manager and really was looking to encourage companies to embrace ESG.

00:48:51.220 I believe there will be a future, Eric, that all investments are going to be looked through

00:48:56.120 sustainability.

00:48:56.980 This term, ESG, is at the center of a heated debate over whether socially conscious goals

00:49:03.100 should factor into business and investing decisions.

00:49:06.300 ESG has become so politicized.

00:49:08.540 BlackRock is the police of this ESG movement.

00:49:12.000 BlackRock is coming under fire from so many different directions.

00:49:15.260 Larry Fink calls it stakeholder capitalism.

00:49:18.720 Yeah, and BlackRock, their big thing and Larry Fink's big thing is retirement savings.

00:49:25.960 They had, I think it was around 50% of their holdings are in retirement funds.

00:49:31.660 And the way, what ESG is, so they have all this money in investments.

00:49:35.440 And for the investments, you got to invest it and make a good enough return year over year, but it should be safe.

00:49:43.180 It should be reliable.

00:49:45.280 And if the reason that these firms are invested in retirement, it's like I don't even need to explain it.

00:49:51.340 The age and population, this is the biggest cash cow out there.

00:49:54.520 Like if you're if you're into anything, you should be into like boomer related things.

00:49:59.340 Right. OK.

00:49:59.980 okay so esg is a policy and it's i guess you would call like a financial industry phenomenon

00:50:09.560 it's a framework it's a framework but what it the precursor to esg is something called

00:50:18.360 stakeholder capitalism and people might be more familiar with that because stakeholder capitalism

00:50:23.360 has been a concept before esg esg is actually the thing you can look up that it's like what it says

00:50:29.780 is that every company, every corporation essentially should be invested in the social

00:50:37.480 good. So it should be invested in green energy. It should give a shit about diversity. It should

00:50:44.200 care about feminism, representation, equity, inclusion, all that stuff. All that stuff that 1.00

00:50:49.160 everyone's aware of. This is the policy that forwards that. Now, BlackRock, due to not only

00:50:56.340 their retirement investments but their ownership of so many companies they own stakes in so many

00:51:00.720 companies um they have a certain level of voting rights in a lot of these companies and they have

00:51:08.460 the ability to unilaterally push sort of cultural changes in these companies or at least try to

00:51:14.920 normalize them so they can push you know you need more trans people on your board of directors and

00:51:21.240 more women on your board of directors you should have x percent of non-whites a poc in the company

00:51:29.080 and you should be taking a a large you should bring down your carbon footprint that's where

00:51:34.580 a lot of that comes from a lot of that pressure so the argument being made was that okay so first

00:51:42.720 of all that's all true there's no and you should be concerned about it everyone on the right

00:51:47.800 everyone who is concerned about it should be concerned about it that and we know what it is

00:51:53.380 we know who's responsible we know the individuals you know the companies it's a real thing that's

00:51:57.000 happening i'm not saying don't care about that i do think that the dylan mulvaney trans thing

00:52:03.840 is different that is a marketing campaign that is a public facing thing so the argument being made

00:52:10.220 i'm trying to steal man as much as i can is that this trans thing that we're all experiencing

00:52:17.280 is inevitable there's enough money and capital and influence at the top pushing it downward

00:52:23.080 that there is no consumer revolts that you can muster there's no populist answer to this because

00:52:30.300 you don't have the power you don't have the influence you don't have the capital

00:52:33.560 this is just a thing you're gonna have to deal with and if you're boycotting doesn't matter

00:52:38.520 right response i had i heard was from sort of one of my twitter mutuals juniper tree which i see in

00:52:45.160 the chat now and she was um she correct this is actually a very female i it wasn't she wasn't the

00:52:52.700 first person who told me this i think my wife said something about it wasn't this particular boycott

00:52:57.820 but it was it was one previously that that the most important thing was to see these kind of

00:53:02.700 products and think that they were yucky or or or not cool and this is really the the the point that

00:53:11.240 the correct use of the boycott. And I don't think that it's necessarily a bad thing that Red America

00:53:19.180 boycotted Bud Light because Bud Light is low status beer. And if you drink Bud Light, you

00:53:25.380 demonstrate to everybody that you have low status. It's and it's literally yucky. I don't know what

00:53:30.840 to say. You know, I used to be an IPA hipster. I'm not going to lie. Right. There is a there that

00:53:37.200 that's that's uh that is where it is and you know although i prefer sort of wheat beers you know i

00:53:44.580 prefer things that are a little bit smoother and while it is coming from above i i do think first

00:53:51.740 of all let me just interrupt myself and say what do you think of all that so far does that sound

00:53:56.800 accurate or and i know you know a lot about this i largely agree yeah yeah so there's the dylan

00:54:04.240 Mulvaney thing to me is just a different end of this. It's the employment of trans identity in

00:54:10.180 a marketing campaign. There's a couple of things here. So the Bud Light instance is unique because

00:54:16.600 not all brands and not all corporations are created equal. And that's something that a lot

00:54:22.660 of people, I think, miss. I think they think all corporations, all brands are the same.

00:54:27.340 There are people who really, really, really give a shit about certain brands. Car brands are one.

00:54:33.160 you you're the car you drive is an important part of your identity for some people like a ford f-150

00:54:40.440 guy a ram guy or a prius everyone jokes about like the la prius guy no the p that's important

00:54:46.960 to prius people beer is another they call them lifestyle brands but american brands are big like

00:54:53.180 that like your your cigarette your brand of cigarette means a lot to you sometimes you'll

00:54:58.280 smoke the same brand your whole life and it means something to you and if you feel betrayed by that

00:55:02.940 brand like it can arise a populist revolt that is different than any other fucking brand like

00:55:11.100 like brands that kind of have a mishmash of people so the bud light consumer really really hurt bud

00:55:18.620 light the bud light consumer cost bud light something north of a billion dollars and there's

00:55:26.680 now i'll just kind of take a tangent there let me just say this that there's an argument to be made

00:55:32.620 that Bud Light, as a corporation, isn't a standalone corporation. Bud Light is owned by

00:55:38.620 Anheuser-Busch. Anheuser-Busch is, once again, a collection of larger holding companies owned by

00:55:44.940 one larger company, the name, I think it's InBev, A-InBev, something like that.

00:55:49.900 You know, the higher you go up the hierarchy, the more dystopian the corporations sound.

00:55:55.260 And they'll say, well, you know, this, it means a lot to Bud Light, but that's a drop in the

00:55:59.580 the bucket for these holding companies. I just want to hammer this to people right now. There

00:56:07.740 is no reality where any corporation is okay with losing a billion dollars. No matter where you go

00:56:15.280 in life, no matter what you believe, no matter who you fall in love with, I want you to remember

00:56:20.800 that. And if the argument is made that, oh, that billion dollars is actually 0.1% of their overall

00:56:30.560 revenue, if they lose that 1%, they don't want to lose 1%. If they lose 1%, that is a crisis.

00:56:38.620 And if they make 4% revenue year over year, and then one year they make two,

00:56:45.140 that is a crisis. They notice that. It does not go notice. So I'll give you the example. We talked

00:56:50.640 about this before the show let's say you make two hundred thousand dollars a year and there's one

00:56:57.100 year where you make 180 000 when you should have made 200 000 now you would you say well it's a

00:57:06.160 good thing i made 200 000 because i can just eat that 20 000 or do you go to your accountant with

00:57:12.640 a fucking rambo knife wondering where your 20k went because it actually turns out when you make

00:57:18.240 money at that level you really really hate to lose it you actually hate it you hate losing it

00:57:23.240 more than a poor person losing a hundred dollars yeah so the idea that they would just shrug this

00:57:28.520 off that is not how corporations think and that's especially not how these brands and these

00:57:34.380 lifestyle brands they know who their demographic is and sorry do you have anything to say to that

00:57:40.960 well i because i want to i don't know how many people have worked in a in the finance side of

00:57:45.600 a larger corporation or work with them before. And that is, it's great that that analogy is true

00:57:51.420 if you're talking about a family income, but the numbers and the ratios that you're using are

00:57:55.920 actually massive. You're talking about like a three to one or a five to one loss, you know,

00:58:02.900 like losing 20K off a hundred. I missed what your exact number was, but imagine if instead of a

00:58:08.580 100k earnings it was a million and there were uh a million of you and each of you only ever

00:58:16.300 expected to get a dollar and of that million dollars you were only going to lose one dollar

00:58:21.180 but the guy who who in his whole year only ever expected to get one dollar it had to come out of

00:58:27.360 his paycheck he's going to throw himself off a building him personally or he's going to kill

00:58:32.480 somebody or if there's going to lose if they're going to lose four dollars he'd get together with

00:58:36.480 the other three guys who are going to lose literally everything and they're going to cause

00:58:40.140 a ruckus and it's going to have an effect especially if those guys are farther up the

00:58:43.720 ladder heads are going to roll right and it's hard for people to understand but like when you're

00:58:48.500 you're looking at like the marginal gains and losses in people's campaign like people sorry

00:58:53.520 in large corporations campaigns a half point change on something that's outside of their

00:58:57.500 expectations is tremendous like people lose their jobs over that and i know maybe you're you're

00:59:03.980 looking for the company to fail no it's not going to happen but if you think that people aren't

00:59:07.480 hurting and people aren't losing their jobs and people aren't contemplating divorce and suicide

00:59:11.520 and trying to sell their home it's happening and it's been happening since the end of what these

00:59:15.540 corporations do is they will never have a mea culpa moment actually bud light is interestingly

00:59:21.000 enough they were trying to they partner with harley davidson which is another brand like

00:59:26.640 give up on their harley davidsons like there's no one passionate about harley davidson anymore

00:59:31.860 early right and like we're mocking all these americana ads they're putting out now but the

00:59:35.700 point is is they've swung full in the other direction it's too little too late but if if

00:59:40.900 they were so devoted to the woke esg line that the dollar value didn't matter then they wouldn't be

00:59:46.840 doing this they would have just stuck with mulvania and double down and that's the scent one of the

00:59:51.660 pillars of what i'm trying to get at here there's a few others but the scent i the one of the pillars

00:59:56.360 is when it's easy for us on the right to look especially for into like elite theory and things

01:00:03.240 like that and looking at the broader superstructure of corporate stuff which is real again this is

01:00:08.800 stuff to be concerned about it's very easy to ignore that revenue streams still matter

01:00:15.480 that we can look at oh where's the investment coming from who's investing in these companies

01:00:20.500 and BlackRock invests a lot

01:00:21.980 but the fact of the matter is that

01:00:24.120 McDonald's still primarily

01:00:26.260 services the working poor

01:00:28.080 and if the working poor stop going to

01:00:30.280 McDonald's they actually don't have

01:00:32.260 a company anymore and it doesn't matter how much

01:00:34.360 fucking investment they get

01:00:35.860 and I don't want the revenue streams

01:00:38.520 to be removed from the conversation

01:00:40.820 about who's

01:00:42.480 operating the levers of society

01:00:44.260 which is to say that

01:00:45.640 if Bud Light takes a

01:00:48.060 big hit you might never get a mea culpa

01:00:50.140 saying we were wrong because what we want is for them to say we're wrong about trans stuff we're

01:00:54.520 never going to hear that they'll kind of subtly imply it but they've learned something they've

01:00:59.920 made a note that said this sort of thing is toxic we don't want to do it again now that is not a

01:01:07.140 total you know white flag being raised from our corporate enemies but consider this if you follow

01:01:17.180 the black rock stuff and you follow larry fink i've watched videos from this guy for a long

01:01:22.440 time he's always showing up on bloomberg he's always showing up on some stage on some show

01:01:29.040 multiple times a year and every single time i see this motherfucker he's running some apologia for

01:01:36.280 esg you know the reality is the majority the unheard unspoken majority really like what we

01:01:47.000 are doing, what we are saying. I'm not happy with the narrative because it fills the airwaves and

01:01:53.380 we have to spend a lot of time. And let me be clear, I am spending a lot more time in Washington

01:01:58.280 states. I'm trying to correct the narrative because in most cases the narrative is not based

01:02:03.120 on facts. It's based on somebody else's view of the facts. But let me ask you this. You have talked

01:02:09.120 about climate change being sort of the central issue of our time and the need to confront it.

01:02:14.860 And I think there was a view that you planned and had influence to vote shares on behalf of customers to do that.

01:02:24.080 Interestingly, your most recent letter of this year seems to take a little bit of a step back on that.

01:02:32.220 If you, you know, you probably dissected my letters better than anybody.

01:02:36.220 I don't think there's been any changes at all.

01:02:39.060 First of all, we're writing things that we think about are really being impactful for

01:02:45.060 long term.

01:02:46.060 Unfortunately, the long term is not something that is topical today, and let's be clear,

01:02:51.300 populism is not about long termism, populism is about the moment.

01:02:55.300 And let me be clear, one of the greatest reasons why we have inflation is because of populism.

01:03:00.100 We are doing things for the short term, and so many of the things, I mean I could go on

01:03:04.400 on the whole short-termism of populism

01:03:06.740 and what we've done and created this inflation.

01:03:09.660 And if you look at the financial news,

01:03:12.060 it's very boring stuff.

01:03:13.320 And a lot of time, you got to parse through it

01:03:15.120 and take out all the bullshit. 1.00

01:03:17.280 They got some 23-year-old woman 1.00

01:03:19.220 telling you about how anything is.

01:03:22.720 And then they're like, ESG isn't popular.

01:03:26.480 Larry Fink is out there every single fucking day

01:03:29.080 saying, this is what we need to do, guys,

01:03:30.800 because no one's actually liking this.

01:03:33.480 no one likes esg and in fact this is what we'll get into in a minute proponents of esg proponents

01:03:40.880 of woke capital all have the same complaints that i'm hearing which is that everyone's lying about

01:03:47.300 it it turns out that these corporations who are trying to compete for high esg scores and

01:03:52.420 win the woke capital game turns out their numbers on like their renewable energy green shit are all

01:03:58.100 bullshit it turns out that the people they're hiring the diversity hires they're being put in

01:04:04.320 useless positions remember when um like covet happened what were the news stories you were

01:04:10.520 seeing that the people most hit by the layoffs were people of color that's what this is when the

01:04:17.720 shit hits the fan it turns out that they staffed these people in useless positions to try and just

01:04:25.420 make it seem but nothing's being truly integrated no one's actually taking this seriously that's

01:04:32.120 what advocates of esg say you know i mean and so there is a narrative here i'm not saying don't

01:04:37.940 care about it i'm not saying don't take this seriously because one thing that they say is that

01:04:42.500 the reason we're in trouble is because woke capital esg stuff doesn't have a central governing body to

01:04:49.400 enforce it so that might be the next thing that could be the next thing whatever but right now

01:04:53.740 it seems like no one actually takes it seriously and we're not supposed to be doing this we're

01:05:00.700 not supposed to be making predictions the way i'm seeing this done the way that larry fink

01:05:07.180 is kind of the face of this he's the spokesperson how much has the political backlash thank you

01:05:14.120 to esg investing had on you and blackrock

01:05:16.760 other than bd other than being dehydrated um actually if you just reflect on black box flows

01:05:28.220 last year um the backlash is public we lost about four billion dollars of flows from various states

01:05:36.260 um but in long-term flows last year we we we were awarded 400 billion dollars

01:05:46.760 just last year. In the United States, our clients entrusted us with an additional $230

01:05:54.220 billion. So you tell me, $4 billion out and $230 billion in the U.S. On the other hand,

01:06:00.920 let me be clear. I'm taking this very seriously. We are trying to address the misconceptions.

01:06:09.540 It is – it's hard because it's not business anymore. They're doing it in a personal way.

01:06:15.940 And for the first time in my professional career, a tax went out personal.

01:06:23.440 They were trying to demonize issues.

01:06:28.040 In terms of all, you know, we're sitting here in Europe.

01:06:31.600 If you do not have a lens towards decarbonization, you're not going to win one euro of business.

01:06:39.740 And so we talk about choice.

01:06:43.380 you know we are one of the largest hydrocarbon if not the largest hydrocarbon

01:06:49.220 investor in the world because we're the largest indexer and we work with all these different

01:06:54.960 companies at the same time we're one of the fastest growing companies related to decarbonization

01:06:59.640 I can imagine them rolling a lot of this stuff back blaming it this is Larry Fink's thing this

01:07:08.540 isn't our thing this was this guy's thing he was the advocate he was the salesman uh we got rid of

01:07:13.560 him now it's back to something like a libertarian policy that this was their foray into you know

01:07:20.600 well capital but it's it's it's see the way that it's still propositioned as this is this guy's

01:07:27.240 thing i think that a lot of people are kind of keeping their distance from it now that's maybe

01:07:32.980 i'm crazy what do you think i threw a lot at you what do you think well okay so the the thing that

01:07:36.880 keeps coming back into my mind where how on earth did we get to talking about blackrock who brought

01:07:43.880 up blackrock are you asking somebody else no no i mean it's it's important because and this relates

01:07:49.840 to what you were saying blackrock is a completely cloistered financialized company like all funds

01:07:57.360 and banks and like business to business real estate and and um certain tech companies that

01:08:03.300 only work with other tech companies and provide esoteric products and services that even their

01:08:07.120 own staff don't understand like those companies they live and die on shit like esg not because

01:08:12.740 they're woke but because they exist in a financialized atmosphere and they can't live

01:08:18.460 without it they exist on like special new types of funding and financial devices and instruments

01:08:24.300 and being at the cutting edge and always having a fraction of a second ahead of somebody else as

01:08:30.240 as the market opens on monday morning right and like you said a minute ago aside from that you

01:08:35.360 have lifestyle brands or like places like mcdonald's that actually mostly just make a thing

01:08:40.720 like you can hate mcdonald's as much as you want but their revenue comes from a dollar 15 in the

01:08:45.680 pocket of a steel worker when he goes to buy a mcchicken that's where their actual revenue comes

01:08:50.080 from right blackrock's revenue and people might not want to hear this because i think some chart

01:08:55.200 boys actually want to be black rock but black rock's revenue comes from financial engineering

01:09:00.640 and printing of imaginary money from the fed it's an open spigot of imaginary funds they don't

01:09:05.760 actually produce anything they borrow money that isn't real and then they buy that they

01:09:10.400 don't deserve and it's a whole thing and then it feeds back into the fed and it feeds back

01:09:14.560 into itself the fed will come get commissioned uh consulting stuff from black rock so the question

01:09:20.480 is who gets all of these fancy you know upper echelon financial devices who gets first pick

01:09:27.340 of those funds and it's people with esg ratings and it wasn't always that it's always something

01:09:33.480 and right now it's esg ratings none of these people believe in the esg principles it's just

01:09:39.420 that they need line to go up and in order for line to go up they need to hold the rating and it's not

01:09:45.560 like fink came up with esg the un came up with esg fink just ran with it because he's a fucking

01:09:50.380 jew and i agree with you that they're going to roll it back that doesn't mean that transness

01:09:56.400 is going to be rolled back or wokeness is going to be rolled back it's just like a novelty in

01:10:00.620 the financial markets that's going on right now um and it's like absolutely there is a crossover

01:10:06.320 lifestyle brands can become esg and it does help their stock but no lifestyle brand or especially

01:10:13.360 like a man like a mining company or like a food services company you know or like a like a hertz

01:10:19.840 rent a car is hertz rent a car going to be saved by an esg rating no it's going to give them a

01:10:24.660 fraction of a point bump and they would appreciate it but at the end of the day if people aren't

01:10:28.940 renting cars they're yeah can can blackrock offset the loss of revenue with investment there is a

01:10:35.820 tipping point to where there's such a revenue loss where there's no investment to even make

01:10:39.640 the company viable this is the distinction i'm making blackrock actually can blackrock is a

01:10:45.900 different class of company completely blackrock is almost like a fund they are actually i think

01:10:51.840 they are a fund at this point like blackrock all they need to do is continue having meetings with

01:10:58.100 rich jews in switzerland and keep fake money flowing into their nine levels of accounts in

01:11:04.700 different tax havens and they're fine because they don't have a product they don't make a thing

01:11:09.980 your opinion and i think some of the guys that were making this argument like hey to the esg guys

01:11:14.540 your opinion doesn't matter true but anhauser-bush inbev mcdonald's toyota aren't esg companies

01:11:22.040 they're just companies with esg ratings because everybody has a rating but blackrock is not a

01:11:28.060 it's not a real company like it's a i don't know what you call it it's like a cartel like yeah they

01:11:33.820 they do exist entirely on on animal spirits like on people's not and again not even people it's so

01:11:41.120 weird to talk about it's really a semantic thing we're not talking about people we're talking about

01:11:44.920 the richest fraction of one percent and stock market algorithms those are the only people that

01:11:49.940 matter to blackrock which is why esg matters to them right so like it's really it's almost i don't

01:11:55.400 know if it's disingenuous or it's just people who don't understand corporations or finance

01:11:59.400 would talk about blackrock and anheuser-busch in the same sentence like they're not even they're

01:12:05.160 in it it's weird calling them both companies because they're not both companies in a real in

01:12:10.220 a serious way to me this is why sort of a consumer revolt of significant enough size could make a

01:12:17.760 dent because at the end of the day blackrock is handling all these retirement funds and they are

01:12:23.780 looking for a you know steady growth and then if you hit a company that they're invested in and

01:12:31.380 affect that growth now you've got every boomer like they're they're involved in this now you

01:12:36.860 see what i'm saying like because the idea is they're like no there's nothing the consumer could

01:12:41.440 do could change but no but i gotta correct you though because the way that black rock and

01:12:46.880 companies like them own these funds they own the funds indirectly like they're they're not

01:12:51.240 controlling shareholders generally so if those funds tank the boomers are going to be mad at

01:12:56.480 like the local company that is hold that they think is holding their funds when they get a

01:13:00.620 report on their pension or whatever it doesn't say black rock it says like the local fucking

01:13:04.940 credit union or whoever is managing it right it's just that the credit unit is held by blackrock

01:13:08.960 and blackrock can just jump ship so that i mean they're they're actually there really aren't many

01:13:13.920 ways for you to go up the ladder and and hit blackrock with your you know by walking or by

01:13:19.620 whatever you want to do right there isn't really a lot the consumers can do to fuck with companies

01:13:24.760 like blackrock but then the the double-edged sword there is that blackrock actually needs

01:13:31.200 things like ESG to survive whereas Anheuser-Busch or McDonald's don't like they can actually just

01:13:36.700 make products and live on the fact that they make products yeah I think they the argument against

01:13:43.560 that would be that oh they need whatever whatever the dollar amount is that BlackRock is investing

01:13:49.680 in them but I think your point is that again it comes back to like where is the money actually

01:13:55.460 coming from and i i do think that you know no matter how magic the upper echelon first of all

01:14:01.840 let's revisit this um you saying upper echelon oh fuck did i did i pull a dimes i for this that

01:14:10.560 is a nasty trick that you've just done i i i i put the sling around my own foot there but no you said

01:14:20.560 not get i'm not in trouble i said echelon i said echelon you no no you play it back play the game

01:14:26.340 tape yeah i said i have that power i'm gonna actually play it right now you don't have any

01:14:30.320 power one oh wait what's the correct word did i say echelon you said echelon

01:14:34.200 so the question is who gets all of these fancy you know upper echelon financial devices who get

01:14:43.800 upper echelon upper echelon upper echelon echelon ladies and gentlemen 1.00

01:14:49.440 you're so stupid fuck just shoot me just kill me

01:15:02.680 it's my fucking wrists oh man fortisax is typing

01:15:07.120 um yeah but because i'm trying to there's a lot going on here i'm trying to figure out if

01:15:14.380 you're arguing against me or not it might actually be that you are and i don't never

01:15:18.900 realized i don't think i'm fundamentally arguing against you i guess what i'm saying is

01:15:22.220 and i maybe i misunderstand chart boys but i feel like chart boys are saying that

01:15:27.360 and um anhauser bush can't be hurt by the proles rising up because like blackrock all they need is

01:15:36.960 the esg rating and they don't care about proles and what i'm saying is they're correct they are

01:15:42.680 correct that blackrock doesn't care about proles because blackrock is very careful and it's 99

01:15:48.780 percent financialized they blackrock the only thing that would shut black rap down is a lot

01:15:54.080 of bullets there's honestly there isn't anything we can do and that's actually one of the big

01:15:57.400 questions of our age i think is how we destroy things like blackrock but a b and mcdonald's and

01:16:02.460 toyota actually do rely on sales and sales rely on you so that i think the big mistake is comparing

01:16:09.740 the mulvaney thing to blackrock that's true that's what i was saying and then on the other

01:16:15.200 hand we're also saying that from what i'm seeing the way this is this esg thing is positioned

01:16:21.080 i'm not convinced that the conversations happening in this upper echelon even take it seriously i

01:16:28.600 don't think anyone really takes this shit seriously and that's why i keep coming back to it again i'm

01:16:33.060 not saying that we should ignore that in fact i agree with you that we should think of ways to

01:16:38.000 disrupt blackrock but i'm also thinking like this idea that here's the other thing i wanted to

01:16:44.360 established that um i heard this take um from academic agent he had made the claim that this

01:16:53.160 is evidence that culture is downstream from law from the legal system that this is a legal thing

01:16:59.420 and that's informed the culture i disagree because i don't see blackrock or any financial

01:17:05.520 organization actually pioneering any of this i see all this ideological shit starting in ideological

01:17:11.920 spaces and that the financial industry whatever you want to call it they're kind of late to the

01:17:17.700 game on it they just they're ideologically possessed i'm going to use a term that a lot

01:17:23.260 people are going to hate because it seems like a kind of alt-light tim pool term but i think it's

01:17:28.860 accurate it's ideological capture they could be they could actually genuinely believe that the

01:17:35.480 future is in you know green energy all this woke stuff you know all the shit that we don't like

01:17:40.700 you might very well believe it but they didn't create it they're reacting to it they're employing

01:17:45.860 it this came from somewhere else they are downstream from culture which then might be

01:17:50.040 downstream from academia however you want to use that framework but i don't think that they're

01:17:55.700 actually the one they're a force amplifier certainly but i don't see them coming up with

01:18:01.560 any of this i just think they're i think they're just wrong and i know especially if you're kind

01:18:07.420 of an elite theory type person it's difficult to accept what i'm about to say but it's completely

01:18:15.160 within the realm of possibility that the people in charge are just fucking retarded sometimes and

01:18:21.260 they make a wrong decision and they don't know what to do or they lose money they they play the

01:18:26.620 wrong hand and they get in trouble for it they get fired you see what i'm saying like guys like

01:18:32.040 larry fink are not bred to be this they are just rich jews they're not particularly oh yeah they're

01:18:40.320 intelligent they're not dumb but they're not a different pedigree they're not a different race

01:18:45.020 or species than you i get that they they occupy an elite space but it's completely within the realm

01:18:52.560 of possibility that he's just a fucking dumb rich jew who can have his mind corrupted all these guys

01:18:58.560 all these old rich jews or even old white people they get corrupted the same way they're fucking

01:19:02.440 kids they're idiot loser kids so yeah i mean there's a million ways where this it's not being

01:19:08.620 created by him and he's just a force amplifier and he's also just kind of dumb and useless about it

01:19:13.840 he's not doing a good job that could also be a narrative too sorry this is why i argue with

01:19:19.200 these guys fairly often like especially with the jews like i don't know what everybody else's

01:19:22.940 reasons are but one of the reasons i dislike jews is like they're not that good at anything

01:19:27.200 they just cheat and lie about everything they cheat and lie and cheat and lie and if they

01:19:31.440 weren't always cheating and lying they'd actually lose every single match because they're not

01:19:35.400 particularly competent they're not particularly smart they just cheat they're not particularly

01:19:40.460 skilled at any particular skill they just lie and cheat so i mean yeah they and and and the the

01:19:47.100 proof is in the pudding that when they run these companies it's not that they make a bunch of they

01:19:52.120 make a bunch of right decisions and line go up it's that they make a bunch of bad decisions

01:19:57.100 line go down momentarily and then they pull a bunch of shitty strings and then line go back up

01:20:03.460 because they lied and cheated it's not you know what i mean like they have the opportunity to

01:20:08.300 just make a bunch of dumb mistakes and fix it at gunpoint behind the scenes because that's the

01:20:12.840 type of people they are they're not actually good at anything so and i and again the elite theory

01:20:18.120 i don't know i don't want to there's so many there's so many good examples of of elite theory

01:20:24.040 kind of happening and making sense but like basing your whole worldview around elite theory

01:20:29.080 unless you are ironically an elite yourself seems kind of wacky because it's like you don't know the

01:20:35.240 first fucking thing about them like isn't the whole point that they're in this rarefied air and

01:20:39.460 they are totally different so unless you're one of them it's like you're like a fucking astrologer

01:20:44.660 yeah i mean we actually we live in a world where there's not financial collapses yeah you know

01:20:51.060 these elites and oh they get away with it but again they don't like losing money well like

01:20:55.500 sometimes not not to make the whole thing about elite theory but you believe elite theory right

01:20:59.720 well do you also believe like the whole spiteful mutants bit from dutton right and you also believe

01:21:04.500 that the universities are just breeding bullshit and you actually believe that the rq is falling

01:21:09.080 year over year for the past 150 years i mean if you you can't believe all of those things at once

01:21:12.920 Because if you did, then you'd have to believe that most of the marketing department, not just at Anheuser-Busch, but at every one of these major corporations, is staffed by 32-year-old IQ85 Indian women with multiple sexual partners who they are borderline suicidal over.

01:21:29.800 And these are the people that are actually making decisions.

01:21:32.140 We're not talking about like investment decisions.

01:21:33.980 We're talking about decisions to do like a branding exercise with a run of cans for spring.

01:21:39.100 And that's what this was.

01:21:40.360 And that's why it happened.

01:21:41.320 because not not because one person was retarded but because nine different layered departments

01:21:47.260 at a billion dollar corporation were 100 staffed with fucking retards with 300k salaries that's

01:21:55.260 that's it that's actually what it looks i don't know why this is so hard to accept you want to

01:21:59.540 complain about universities and you want to complain about the collapse in quality of our

01:22:02.660 population but you don't think that this has like what would that mean about the like look we're not

01:22:08.540 even that young we're in our 30s there's a lot of our cohorts who have worked at these companies

01:22:12.700 for 10 years they're fucking senior there now and like they're retards as i'd say i've worked

01:22:19.560 in these you work there i know and that's why i've said god man it sounded like i've walked

01:22:25.140 myself into and i put on a dog collar walk my own ass into an own on that one but but that's

01:22:31.180 why i tell people like like i've sat in the meeting rooms the boardrooms where we talk about

01:22:36.140 stuff like this i've seen because everyone's like there's no way that they would make a 0.82

01:22:39.900 catastrophic marketing mistake oh no they do it they do it every day i'm like i've met the women

01:22:45.620 who make these decisions i can tell you line for line what these meetings are like i can show you

01:22:52.100 the lifespan of every bad idea it's fun but it's depressing i would go further i would say it's

01:22:57.700 actually would be much worse if it weren't for the active support of the boomers like there are

01:23:03.540 actually people competent people in even higher echelons than them who are holding this back and

01:23:12.440 who are and and that my point is that won't be around for much longer i think another 15 years

01:23:17.060 from now you don't even have to add more bullshit to the pot just the existing bullshit is going to

01:23:22.160 be so much worse when the existing or the remaining crop of moderately competent gen

01:23:28.360 xers and boomers retires it like the whole like imagine an entire company run by millennial

01:23:34.500 indian women this is such a good point in a perfect world in a just world we would end on that

01:23:40.860 but i have two other pillars i need to establish of this this somewhat confused and meandering

01:23:47.140 point and again i want to establish that i'm not i'm actually not aiming this at anyone in

01:23:52.840 particular because these are all takes and opinions that i've heard circulated from a lot

01:23:58.000 different people i would actually encourage people to listen to the radical liberation stream with

01:24:05.300 black horse because there's a lot that's correct in it um but like i said a lot of where i disagree

01:24:11.740 is with the interpretation of the data not the data itself so there's two more things i'd like

01:24:15.920 to just talk about um so there's this idea that exists on our scene and this is i've seen this

01:24:24.120 across the board, this for sure, that let's call them the deplorables. What I find across all

01:24:33.280 political spaces and sectors is everyone hates the same group of people. They hate the deplorables.

01:24:39.840 Who are the deplorables? Well, the MAGA people, the Trump people, the lower class conservatives,

01:24:45.580 rural people, the Bud Light drinkers, essentially. The libs hate them, progressives hate them,

01:24:51.500 the far right really hates them more than you'd think um the conservatives conservatives kind of

01:24:58.460 don't like them either you know um i i wouldn't be surprised if tucker carlson doesn't even like

01:25:03.960 them that much i'm just to be honest i'm surprised tucker carlson is as popular as he is you would

01:25:08.460 think that a lot of the rural people would see him as kind of a dandy but yeah whatever yeah he's

01:25:13.680 not like a rush limbaugh rush limbaugh seems like he's kind of firing brimstone tucker seems a bit

01:25:18.860 too fancy but you know whatever um there's the hatred of the deplorables and this is this is

01:25:27.140 always bubbling beneath the surface that i think there's more people in these political sectors

01:25:32.700 who want to believe that this group doesn't matter but also remember that this is the group that did

01:25:38.580 the trucker protest in fact it's this group that has done pretty much everything aside the last

01:25:46.680 thing we did was like charlottesville we've done like nothing since then we like to take credit

01:25:50.900 for the the trucker protest that wasn't like the dissident right wait that was all oh man give me

01:25:56.420 names of our fucking guys who are taking credit for the trucker protest it was it was center

01:26:00.920 right conservative boomers and gen xers who fucking did that working class people who don't

01:26:06.040 even have fucking telegram accounts fuck off and like the libertarians that we all like to make

01:26:09.700 fun of well you know they did that whatever we like to say about their ideology or their beliefs

01:26:14.720 or their takes whatever they're the only ones who seem to be able to organize in any you can set

01:26:21.400 your watch by their ability to organize sure they might be co-opted by you know psychos eventually

01:26:27.180 but at least they could do that that's something that's not nothing that's all i wanted to say

01:26:32.840 that's not nothing and also what they are trying to sell you on is that the economic power the

01:26:38.700 economic pressure that can be exerted by this group does not exist and all i wanted to say

01:26:44.580 was that um you know there is this idea that every company kind of wants the higher wage

01:26:51.320 earners and the higher income people tend to be democrats they tend to be libs

01:26:56.520 and we come back to the mcdonald's example entire empires are made servicing the middle class and

01:27:04.840 the lower middle class right because if that were not the case then tesla would be the most important

01:27:10.820 car company in the world and in that case fuck honda right fuck toyota right but it turns out

01:27:19.660 that's not the case it turns out that honda has got a not insignificant market share it's it seems

01:27:28.360 obvious to me that there's some areas where the upper echelon have power when it comes to fashion

01:27:38.620 when it comes to technology when it comes to there's certain areas uh technology almost 1.00

01:27:43.760 exclusively is like the higher earners they're the ones who will buy any dumb bullshit um you

01:27:49.460 can set your watch by that too but when it comes to consumer packaged goods when it comes to

01:27:54.480 vehicle vehicles kind of different but again like is honda this honda more significant than

01:27:59.740 maserati yeah so consumer package because anything that matters is kind of captured by this this

01:28:07.880 this demographic and some items they really really care about you might think that's silly

01:28:12.840 you might think it's silly to give a shit about bud light but like paps blue ribbon beer there's

01:28:19.320 some guys who are gonna who've never drank anything with paps blue ribbon beer and it means

01:28:23.500 something to them and so this this demographic and i work in marketing and i'm sure if you work

01:28:29.360 in finance you anyone who works finance would see this too like or maybe they don't maybe financial

01:28:33.640 people see these people as expendable i could see if you're like a bank guy you'd see like who gives

01:28:39.240 it to these are just people who don't pay their mortgages but if you're in marketing or sales

01:28:43.540 this is where the fucking money is there's so there's so many empires that rely on them not

01:28:50.760 all of them but some and i just want to establish that right like don't start believing that it's

01:28:56.660 only like high income people otherwise known as the tastemakers that's this was a claim made by

01:29:03.780 some into some people like you know lower lower class people to deplore they never call them

01:29:08.400 deplorables i'm calling them deplorables but they're like these people they're not tastemakers

01:29:11.900 and i'm like tastemakers only account for like certain industries the tastemakers don't fucking

01:29:16.140 matter usually really no no i agree i think it's not so much to say that tastemakers don't matter

01:29:22.380 they do matter like they are part of the equation but i mean if you're taking tastemakers and saying

01:29:28.200 look we've decided we figured out what the tastemakers are doing what they're saying and

01:29:31.320 then nothing else matters like no it's tastemakers matter and then so does everything else and in

01:29:35.140 many many many cases tastemakers are actually a secondary concern and i do have the stats up just

01:29:41.700 in case anybody was wondering black market this horrible awful giant company that's squeezing

01:29:46.460 everybody stock price 668 market cap just barely over 100 billion toyota mark market cap 180

01:29:54.600 billion their stock price is marginally lower but they're worth double what blackrock blackrock is

01:30:00.420 worth so the number of people whose necks are on the line if toyota loses money is double what

01:30:07.320 happens to blackrock so and and like we're saying earlier toyota is completely beholden to you know

01:30:14.880 i don't know who buys corollas beige corollas weird or the material niggers how about like

01:30:21.340 the rest of the world everyone in afghanistan's got everybody everybody the fucking hilux and

01:30:26.060 every afghani with a fucking hilux and a 50 cal yeah you know that's why they can't go trans

01:30:31.060 so exactly um and so i just want people not to not to forget the importance of revenue streams

01:30:40.300 and the larger picture and don't discount this demographic it's very it's easy to discount them

01:30:45.860 if you look at it from a different sort of perspective but they still really matter

01:30:48.580 the last pillar before we move on um the last pillar is that when it comes to esg the concept

01:30:55.420 of esg there's a lot of people i know you you don't like esg as a concept as a machine because

01:31:03.340 what it is a stakeholder capitalism what esg is is the demand that corporations have a larger say

01:31:09.460 and a larger uh role to play in society so yes we need to take a stand on cultural issues

01:31:17.360 political issues all that stuff um any other day of the week if we tweaked a few things about esg

01:31:26.500 everyone on the right would love it and i just want to establish that and i know you don't because

01:31:31.860 you don't like that premise at all you and many might reject that premise but if you if you're

01:31:37.320 on the right and you're like a fascist if you're a national socialist if you're a deep ecologist

01:31:43.460 like there's nothing about the biggest corporations in the world saying i'm gonna take a positive role

01:31:50.600 in like green energy most of the like eco extremists would actually like that on our side

01:31:55.840 and if you were what we don't like is the trans stuff what we don't like is the anti-natalist

01:32:00.860 stuff what we don't like the the actual components the inputs but if you were to swap those out

01:32:06.040 and swap in i don't know uh trad things christian things pro natalist things like

01:32:14.820 everyone would fucking love it that is essentially fascism i i want to say all else being equal

01:32:21.720 and i will i will make clear what the all else is in a second um all else being equal the concept

01:32:28.440 of creating publicly a metric like esg which is really it doesn't even have to have an institution

01:32:35.680 behind it although ESG was created by the UN I believe but like we could create a natality

01:32:40.920 system we call it like NSG and we say that NSG represents how companies fare in terms of promoting

01:32:49.000 the white race and and then they get a score and because there's a score there's a network effect

01:32:54.780 that causes people to buy into them and because people buying in then those companies want to get

01:32:59.040 a higher score so like this is actually good I agree with all of this let me give you an example

01:33:02.580 Or we measure companies based on how much maternity leave they give for family, how much they promote pro-family things, stuff like that.

01:33:12.680 The point is it's non-governmental.

01:33:15.080 It's just a thing that publicly we as investors and even retail investors is something that we discuss.

01:33:21.240 It's something that we all look at when we make our retirement investments or whatever, right?

01:33:25.940 That is actually completely consistent with free market capitalism.

01:33:28.540 We have no problem with that at all.

01:33:29.800 In fact, I think we need more of it.

01:33:31.180 I think it should. I think we should actually be trying to create metrics like that because it is a way that we can take places like BlackRock.

01:33:38.400 We can actually turn BlackRock around. Larry Fink doesn't, or Larry Fink, whatever, Fink, he doesn't own the company, right?

01:33:44.540 He just works there and owns a lot of stock. But we could put one of our guys in charge of BlackRock and it would become our company overnight because that's how it works.

01:33:53.180 My actual problem with it, just because you brought up the fact that I would disagree with it, it's actually because companies aren't real.

01:33:59.320 Companies aren't people. Corporations do not bear responsibility for anything. And by asking quote unquote corporations to make decisions when they do bad things and we want to hold the quote unquote corporation responsible. The big problem I have with that is heads don't roll because nobody is responsible because it's a fucking corporation.

01:34:17.460 I don't think corporations in their current instantiation should exist at all. We should have companies writ 1850, where the people who made the decisions who hold stock and were involved should do prison time if something goes wrong. That's my big issue with it. But it's not general, like all else being equal, though. Yeah, we should have right wing ESG.

01:34:39.600 Yeah, and that's why I was trying to think like when people are coming at this, it's like, are you against the mechanism? Are you just against the inputs? I think it's important for people to ask themselves which they're against. Because there's some people who might like the premise, but don't. And there's another option. Maybe it can never be used for stuff. Maybe the only reason this is being used is as a destabilization and disruption effort.

01:35:04.700 That could be it too. It could come to pass that they will just never allow us to hijack this ever again. And it's only being used to, you know, disrupt the working class, destroy the middle class, to wage a war on coal and oil. And that once it's destroyed, maybe ESG goes away. That could be it too.

01:35:24.280 I will make a prediction. I think it's not really a prediction. It's kind of just like, you know, it's almost physics to me. But if we ever did, if there was some kind of political revolution, and we managed to, over 50 years, completely change the landscape of the planet, and it became much more amenable to us, like it became our utopia.

01:35:44.300 if we did that without fundamentally altering the markets if it was purely bullets and had

01:35:50.500 nothing to do with finance you would wind up with right-wing esg all over the fucking place

01:35:56.080 because it's my point is is it is actually just natural to the system of financial markets

01:36:01.520 like and and even esg itself is like i said earlier is not unique there's a thousand other

01:36:06.720 metrics and every year people dream up new metrics like that and it's just ways of people

01:36:11.140 interpreting the value of companies and trying to predict where they're going to go. Like if you

01:36:14.980 have financial markets, if you have a stock market, you're always going to have metrics like this.

01:36:19.920 I agree with that completely. And we spent a lot of time on this. I think we covered everything

01:36:24.160 that I wanted to cover on that. And I wanted to use that as a jumping off point, because I think

01:36:28.420 this is related to the book we're going to discuss today. And the book we're going to discuss today

01:36:33.320 is connected to the book we discussed last episode, which was Claws of the Panda, about the

01:36:40.900 Chinese Communist Party's infiltration into Canadian politics, Canadian business, essentially

01:36:46.700 Canada writ large. This, I think, is a similar book, but takes a different angle. It mentions

01:36:54.580 that as well, but takes more of the angle of the criminal aspects. This book is titled

01:36:59.540 Willful Blindness. It's written by Sam Cooper. The subtitle is How a Criminal Network of Narcos,

01:37:07.360 tycoons and chinese communist party agents infiltrated the west and while we talk about

01:37:13.140 the west what we really mean is canada and what we really really mean is vancouver british

01:37:18.460 columbia vancouver which already has a reputation and we discussed this earlier in the show but has

01:37:24.060 a reputation of being just a landing pad for chinese immigration but also chinese control

01:37:31.380 and everyone's kind of aware that the Chinese Communist Party owns half of the city of Vancouver.

01:37:38.140 But no one really knows what the implications of that are.

01:37:41.040 Why are they doing that? What does that mean for everyone?

01:37:44.080 So a lot of this comes back to this book. It has a lot to do with the triads.

01:37:48.240 Federal prosecutors killed a massive probe here in B.C.

01:37:51.360 after exposing a secret police informant by mistake.

01:37:55.200 Global News investigative reporter Sam Cooper broke this story and joins us now from Ottawa.

01:37:59.160 Sam, thanks for joining us. What did you uncover here?

01:38:02.660 That's right. The RCMP investigation was to an alleged underground bank in Richmond

01:38:07.280 that has been estimated to be laundering over $1 billion Canadian per year

01:38:11.660 for international drug gains, including Chinese triads and Mexican cartels.

01:38:16.760 Another alleged element was helping Chinese high rollers launder money through BC casinos

01:38:21.420 into Vancouver real estate.

01:38:23.440 And what we have found is that the case blew up because in the evidence disclosure process, so much evidence was gathered.

01:38:31.440 A mistake was made when evidence was shared with the defense so the case could go forward.

01:38:37.420 The Crown and the police made a mistake vetting this information, and so this showed the identity of an informant.

01:38:44.100 The fear was that if the case went forward, the informant could be killed, and that's why charges were dropped.

01:38:50.060 Yeah, well, we saw they were dropped a little while ago.

01:38:52.080 We didn't know why.

01:38:53.180 Now, this was believed to be the largest money laundering probe in Canadian history.

01:38:57.660 Does this underline a weakness in the justice system?

01:39:02.040 Absolutely.

01:39:03.040 What the experts have already said is that the RCMP doesn't have the leadership or resources

01:39:08.580 to tackle large international money laundering and drug trafficking investigations.

01:39:14.320 It involves a bit of history about how it got to this state.

01:39:18.280 so how it starts was vancouver has always been a choice destination for chinese gambling wales

01:39:28.180 and by wales we mean like the elite of the elite of the chinese communist party the people who got

01:39:33.460 all the money and all the power but they love to gamble gambling is massive in china literally

01:39:39.240 every chinese person knows how to gamble and if you see a chinese person not eating chinese food

01:39:45.720 they are gambling and you heard that here first you heard that here last it's true folks it's true

01:39:51.740 now the problem is what they noticed was that these casinos mainly like the river rock casino

01:39:58.960 the river rock casino factors very very heavily into this book it's kind of the ground zero for

01:40:04.180 all this but what they found was that these locations specifically river rock were a giant

01:40:09.560 money laundering spot a lawsuit between BC's great Canadian casinos and a Texas

01:40:16.380 company reveals allegations of loan sharking in BC casinos we've been

01:40:21.080 advised from our bosses that it's not really our business to stick our nose in

01:40:26.780 the business of the long sharks that we are there to just watch the games CBC

01:40:31.900 initiates a freedom of information request for BC gaming documents they

01:40:36.740 They took four years to obtain.

01:40:39.160 The documents reveal a troubling pattern of suspicious transactions.

01:40:43.340 The suspicion is that gangsters are using the casinos to launder the proceeds of crime.

01:40:48.800 CBC launches an undercover investigation.

01:40:51.180 Why don't you guys count the cash?

01:40:54.220 And successfully uses money laundering techniques to launder $24,000.

01:41:00.700 they so what they found through um straight up investigative work was they found that there's

01:41:06.920 all these chinese whales these these huge guys showing up with hockey bags full of cash to

01:41:13.600 exchange for chips at the casino um and that what they noticed was none of this money was coming

01:41:19.220 from canadian banks that's interesting um and then so what they found out was that this money

01:41:26.060 was coming from underground chinese banks that are operating in canada and so a lot of people

01:41:31.980 don't know that there's all these secret banks operating in canada specifically for people for

01:41:36.940 money laundering purposes money laundering for what we'll get to that in a second but

01:41:41.980 the last step of that plan was laundering it through the casinos laundering into chips gambling

01:41:48.620 a bit baccarat was the game of choice for all these these whales and then sending clean money

01:41:54.300 back over to china cycling it back in i'm sorry i'm sorry to interrupt because i just want to add

01:41:59.380 context because i know a little bit about this okay perfect they call it the shadow banking

01:42:03.300 industry in china and in case you're like this is weird it's just like you know loan sharks and mob

01:42:08.940 bosses no these are like corporate banks that are just completely off the books they're on a separate

01:42:14.160 network and they constitute something like 40 of the entire chinese economy like 40 of all dollars

01:42:22.480 or yen that move in china move through these banks not through the quote-unquote real banks

01:42:27.740 so this is we're talking like trillions of dollars and that's not like globally so just

01:42:33.860 for context yeah yeah it started off in bc the rcmp has been tracking this for a long long time

01:42:40.440 and had this what's known as the silver file and they said the file had started as a transnational

01:42:46.680 drug trafficking probe focused on a cartel based in mainland China and active around the world,

01:42:52.560 especially in BC, Macau, and Hong Kong. In the beginning, the RCMP suspected there were links

01:42:58.640 to BC casinos, but that wasn't the focus of the investigation. Now, however, undercover officers

01:43:04.180 had identified what they believed was an illegal cash house, purportedly a very busy currency

01:43:10.080 exchange in downtown Richmond. This was Silver International, and that's the name, I think we

01:43:16.020 i mentioned that on the last episode but silver international is this like transnational bank

01:43:21.100 that's used almost exclusively to launder chinese money and and kind of funnel it through these

01:43:26.700 secret underground banks and there's a description here of how silver international launders their

01:43:32.860 money it says this was the uh basic transaction flow drug dealers from china shipped drugs to

01:43:40.160 vancouver gangsters across canada sold the drugs the drug cash was collected and deposited at silver

01:43:46.680 international uh one of the gangs remember it's kind of jin jin's gang provided silver's criminal

01:43:52.760 cash deposits to whale gamblers the money was washed in the bc lc casinos and it should be

01:43:58.580 mentioned at this point the casinos know this the casinos they have you know what the casino is they

01:44:04.100 got cameras everywhere they got eyes watching everyone everyone knows that hey there's this like

01:44:09.140 chinese guy that keeps showing up with hockey bags of cash and they would describe

01:44:13.920 once the rsb went in and looked at the videos it's like okay he would come in he'd lose some

01:44:18.660 money he would get up from the table they're in these special back rooms that are put aside

01:44:23.000 just for the shady gamblers he they watch him go out in the parking lot stand there a mysterious

01:44:31.180 black car shows up hands him another hockey bag full of cash out of the trunk and they watch him

01:44:37.000 walk back in and keep gambling and of course the gambling the casinos are thinking great fine look

01:44:43.000 at all this money we're getting because they're still getting money the money's being laundered

01:44:46.900 largely in chips that are then cashed back out but they're getting a cut and every step of the way

01:44:52.860 the casinos the canadian casinos again these aren't run by chinese people these are just

01:44:57.560 canadian casinos run by aboriginals they probably didn't go to the aboriginal ones

01:45:03.140 they want to go the average is they don't have the good shrimp cocktails

01:45:07.780 because that's the other thing and we said there if chinese aren't eating chinese food

01:45:13.780 they're gambling but the thing is they're usually eating the chinese food at the casino buffet

01:45:18.720 yeah uh there's another uh line here let me just get it he's talking about a presentation given

01:45:26.360 to a five eyes conference by this guy named Ward.

01:45:30.660 And the author of the Sam Cooper

01:45:33.180 is a pretty famous investigative journalist.

01:45:35.240 Sam Cooper was sort of the guy

01:45:36.600 who had been following this story

01:45:38.160 for years and years and years

01:45:39.520 and it culminated in this book.

01:45:41.000 And he did just some straight up,

01:45:43.020 you know, old fashioned journalism

01:45:44.360 of looking into this and digging this story out

01:45:48.260 because, you know, the RCMP

01:45:49.900 and a lot of these places

01:45:50.880 weren't forthcoming with the information.

01:45:52.560 They said,

01:45:52.980 and I obtained a secret audio recording

01:45:55.600 of Ward's presentation. This was the crucial record that took me inside the RCMP's e-pirate

01:46:00.840 investigation and helped me understand all of the leaked paper records in my cache.

01:46:05.080 It says, silver is an illegal money laundering service for criminals, Ward said, and how they

01:46:10.020 were facilitating the purchase and importation of drugs by moving the money around the world

01:46:14.340 for drug dealers. This is not an organized structure with command and control. It is about

01:46:20.560 business relationships because it operates very much parallel to the normal business community.

01:46:26.260 Through surveillance and confidential informants, RCMP intelligence had learned that narcos,

01:46:31.160 loan sharks, illegal casino operators, and the BCLC casino money launderers, lawyers,

01:46:36.460 realtors, mortgage brokers, all networked for mutually beneficial transactions.

01:46:42.060 Guangdong province in southern China, home to 100 million people, and known to investigators

01:46:48.160 as the world's factory.

01:46:50.460 Here, Chinese transnational crime groups

01:46:53.080 use factories to create chemicals, narcotics,

01:46:56.380 counterfeit goods and products for illegal export.

01:46:59.580 All of this facilitated by the casinos,

01:47:02.760 VIP gamblers and organized crime junket lending operators

01:47:06.780 who lend money to VIP gamblers in Macau in the West.

01:47:11.000 And in Hong Kong in the East,

01:47:12.460 by banks, financial firms and law firms

01:47:15.380 that provide services to global criminals.

01:47:18.160 i'll just leave with this because i don't know if i might not get to later but there's some

01:47:22.860 bullet points you need to know the drugs that are being brought in to through vancouver is largely

01:47:30.400 heroin it was heroin in the 80s 90s and it is currently fentanyl uh and all of these the

01:47:39.560 production of these drugs are all done in china in chinese factories all of these factories are

01:47:46.720 either directly owned by the Chinese Communist Party or operate under the knowledge of the

01:47:51.500 Chinese Communist Party. This means that the Chinese Communist Party and China largely is

01:47:57.940 responsible for all of the fentanyl in North America. And it's mentioned in the book that

01:48:04.360 China itself, the country, China, the government of China, controls the heroin prices in North

01:48:11.060 America. And they've done it before. They've actually tilted it in their favor. So if there

01:48:15.400 is fentanyl if there's a fentanyl problem in north america it is being done on purpose by not only

01:48:21.740 chinese gangsters but the story here is that the triads the hong kong triads were brought into the

01:48:28.980 fold of the chinese government and they operate with the blessing of the chinese government they

01:48:35.320 work hand in glove because a lot of the money from the drug trade makes its way back into the

01:48:40.840 chinese communist party so the chinese communist party is essentially a giant fentanyl cartel

01:48:46.600 that has connection and silver international as a um international kind of drug laundering

01:48:53.360 bank has connections to mexican cartels because there's many instances where uh these triads and

01:49:00.740 these chinese gangs one of them is known as the big circle boys the big circle boys will come up

01:49:05.100 lot. Who is Seishi Lupp? Well, he's the architect or the alleged architect of the largest meth

01:49:13.100 syndicate in history out of China, which was responsible for somewhere around 60% of the

01:49:20.840 meth trade in all of Asia. And he was recently caught by a group of about 20 different agencies

01:49:27.620 that had to get together to catch him. And he was back on his way to Toronto when they caught him

01:49:32.520 in Amsterdam's airport. So he was the largest meth kingpin by orders of magnitude. You know,

01:49:39.440 the profits were about as large as city banks. And then, of course, before then, he also ran

01:49:44.820 the most successful heroin distribution network in history out of Toronto in the 1990s. So he's

01:49:52.540 an unusual man in that he's actually run two of the largest drugs networks in history and on

01:49:59.560 different continents and in different decades tell me about um his beginnings at least in

01:50:05.400 toronto what's his connection to the city and how did he get started here in canada well he was one

01:50:10.480 of the wave of immigrants from hong kong who came here before the repatriation of hong kong he was

01:50:17.900 part of the big circle boys even then so they're a gang would be the wrong word criminal organization

01:50:24.120 would, I guess, loosely fit what they are.

01:50:26.920 I mean, they're sort of not organized crime,

01:50:30.120 but they are criminals and they are organized,

01:50:31.940 if you know what I mean.

01:50:32.940 They came to Toronto in the 80s

01:50:35.200 and they were apex thieves in Hong Kong.

01:50:37.940 They were running enormous thefts out of banks

01:50:42.080 and out of jewelry stores in Hong Kong.

01:50:44.180 But when they came to Toronto,

01:50:45.140 they really kind of had to start over

01:50:46.640 because they didn't really understand the networks here.

01:50:49.400 And they began as pickpockets

01:50:50.780 And then they moved on to large scale credit card fraud, as well as money laundering.

01:50:56.380 And they even did, you know, TTC tokens and they created whole new businesses.

01:51:00.140 And then eventually they turned to drugs.

01:51:02.240 But they will actually trade drugs.

01:51:04.020 So they would trade heroin and fentanyl for marijuana and cocaine coming out of Mexico.

01:51:09.640 So there was like, they're all they're all working together.

01:51:13.460 So if you hate Mexican drug cartels, the Chinese government is working directly with them.

01:51:17.740 just let you know that i want to establish that at the start and so at that point you could say

01:51:23.860 you know is is this just another form of warfare it could be interpreted as that i think

01:51:29.740 would the would the chinese government be upset that there's so many people dying from fentanyl

01:51:35.100 overdoses i don't know that seems to work out well for them maybe i don't know but this this

01:51:41.680 is just gang warfare is just warfare in this sense um and this this was such a big model it

01:51:51.020 was called the vancouver model the vancouver model is kind of known as the drug money is

01:51:57.280 funneled into vancouver through thailand then the cash is brought back to hong kong by human

01:52:03.220 couriers and they disperse back into china so originally that's what they do they would just

01:52:06.900 like actually send people over with cash to cycle it back into china um and this was the leaders of

01:52:14.800 this for the longest time were called the big circle boys the big circle boys were sort of a

01:52:18.700 decentralized cartel of industrial criminals out of china who set up a beachhead of drug exports

01:52:26.080 in vancouver um claiming to be refugees they're one probably if not the biggest cartel in canada

01:52:33.620 than one of the biggest cartels and the book outlines in pretty good detail how they moved in

01:52:40.400 and essentially destroyed the hell's angels you know whatever drug you know property drug influence

01:52:47.780 the hell's angels had they were not equipped to deal with again pretty much the chinese government

01:52:53.480 but they they brought so many of the established organized crime in canada underneath them because

01:52:59.680 they had they just had more cash they had more influence they had more everything like you're

01:53:04.740 kind of dealing with a foreign element at that point and so he makes a point in there that

01:53:10.020 he has this comment i don't have it written down but he says like i know hell's angels

01:53:15.000 with full patches vests sleeping on park benches right now but you'll never see like a chinese

01:53:21.980 gangster not driving around in a maserati like they're at such a an untouchable level and also

01:53:28.720 this is another way they would launder it later on in case i don't get to it because i do know we

01:53:34.540 have to get going eventually but if i don't get to it the preferred way of laundering this money

01:53:39.740 once the vancouver model fell out of fashion they're not actually trying to cycle it back

01:53:44.180 into china they're just trying to buy real estate with it real estate's a great way to

01:53:48.840 launder money actually so all these condo purchases all these house purchases a lot of

01:53:55.380 and real estate investments. So it's not even like I'm going to buy a condo. I want to buy a

01:54:00.400 house. I'm actually going to open up a construction company and invest in a development. Now I own

01:54:06.340 3% of a housing development. And then I give those houses to individuals. That's the level

01:54:11.900 they're operating on. They're not buying up real estate. They're making real estate with illicit

01:54:18.040 drug money. And then that's real political capital. So when you hear, and we talked about

01:54:23.980 this last episode, but if people want to know where the rubber meets the road on this, is that

01:54:28.900 once you're at that level of not only real estate purchases, but real estate development, now you

01:54:33.460 can get people elected. If you get enough small people elected, then you can get an MP elected.

01:54:39.780 Eventually, you can have one of your people in the Senate. That's just a matter of time. That's

01:54:45.060 not a matter of dollars. It's going to get there. So the funnel you get into politics and political

01:54:52.420 pressure is through real estate which they are using as a money laundering you know organization

01:54:57.280 now just a little bit about the big circle boys here there's this guy they're talking about named

01:55:04.340 Kwok Chung Tam Tam was identified as among the most significant of the big circle boys who hit

01:55:11.480 Canada in waves from about 1986 to 1990 one of the elite gangsters that Dr. Alex Chung of

01:55:19.760 University College London called a Decentralized Network of Career Criminals

01:55:23.800 comprised of illegal immigrants from Guangzhou, China.

01:55:28.860 Tam and his Big Circle associates exploited gaping

01:55:31.940 weaknesses in Canada's border controls, citizenship, and criminal

01:55:35.920 justice systems to establish a Vancouver beachhead from which to dominate

01:55:39.800 the North American drug markets. More than any crime syndicate in Canada

01:55:44.100 and the world, the Big Circle boys have perfected casino infiltration

01:55:48.020 and money laundering by importing Macau-style underground banking to Vancouver.

01:55:53.580 In the process, the big circle boys have become the biggest factor in the transformation

01:55:57.540 of large portions of British Columbia's casino and real estate industries into narco economies.

01:56:04.440 And from their power bases in Vancouver and Toronto, they have turned Canada into a springboard

01:56:10.180 to the most lucrative U.S. drug markets, New York, Boston, Seattle, Miami, Los Angeles,

01:56:15.620 las vegas and san francisco where they have operatives and underground casinos in the 1990s

01:56:22.100 the cartel had about twice as many members in toronto as vancouver according to a 2003 report

01:56:27.460 by the federal research division of the but their impact in vancouver the smaller of the two canadian

01:56:32.900 cities is proportionally much greater so that's kind of there's a theme here where you know how

01:56:40.660 do all these people get here um we kind of talked about this last episode too but basically

01:56:45.620 Canada had this thing where, and we still have it, where anyone can come to be a refugee.

01:56:52.300 And so there's a Canada, because of this, became a primary entry point for organized crime because our Supreme Court, especially at the time, would hear literally anyone who had a refugee claim.

01:57:06.520 so there was a report by the rcmp that up to 60 of all refugees have fake papers fake passwords

01:57:15.780 fake everything so that's how you ask how the cartel got here well with 60 of applicants just

01:57:23.220 being bullshit and from from a country that's pretty good at faking stuff yeah that's how they

01:57:28.660 get in there and then they never get sent back and by the time you notice there's too many of

01:57:32.480 what are you going to do they control everything right but that that refugee program that's more

01:57:39.140 or less still in operation was the main way they got in um it says they have over a thousand

01:57:43.860 operatives in canada um the big circle boys were known to immigration and law enforcement since

01:57:49.540 the 90s but were somehow always able to fight deportation um that guy was talking about quok

01:57:57.500 chung tam like they knew about him he was implicated in like dozens of like home invasions

01:58:02.280 assaults murders and then this is kind of what sam cooper is getting at like he as he's going

01:58:08.420 through this story it's like everyone knows about these guys no one's even just deporting them and

01:58:14.840 they're not just linked to money laundering it's crime like one of the the favorite thing of the

01:58:19.640 triads and the big circle boys for people want to know like every gang has their thing you know

01:58:25.060 every gang has their the way they like to dispense justice the way these triads would do it and maybe

01:58:32.040 you have insight on this because i was never in hong kong their thing was like running at you with

01:58:36.960 like meat cleavers and hacking at you in public so you know like with muslim it's like oh all of a

01:58:43.140 sudden we never heard about acid attacks before then one day now everyone's talking about acid

01:58:48.160 attacks it never even existed in our zeitgeist so now we have to add to our zeitgeist guys getting

01:58:55.100 hacked apart by meat cleavers in the middle of the street that never happened before all of a sudden

01:59:00.780 it did so i wanted to ask you years time spent in hong kong did you have any run-ins experience

01:59:07.420 insight into triad related stuff there i mean i i did a little bit not like run-ins with them but

01:59:15.160 you can observe them like when we first moved there most of the time that we lived in hong kong

01:59:20.020 we were living in poor areas but when we first got our our first place i guess it was in one of

01:59:26.100 the poorest and most triad infested places in the territory uh and we saw a lot of them but a lot of

01:59:33.060 like old heads there that we talked to said the peak for triads was like 60s through 80s maybe

01:59:39.280 mid 90s and you did see them still but like they weren't it's not like before where it was like

01:59:45.740 hong kong in the 80s was like new york in the 70s like it was just constant blood in the streets and

01:59:53.420 it hong kong is not like that now like you do have loads of crime but it's extremely organized

01:59:59.000 and the other thing is is in hong kong and i guess just kind of what you're touching on but

02:00:04.200 the triads the way that they function in hong kong currently they're essentially like a fifth

02:00:08.580 column for the police and the central government like they don't there's not a whole lot going on

02:00:13.880 it's not like they're fighting the police because they work for the police like a lot of the stuff

02:00:17.920 that you saw during the the umbrella movement protests where the police wanted to like take

02:00:23.280 down some of these protesters and find them it was actually the triads who were coincidentally

02:00:28.280 hunting down the protesters and killing them or disappearing them not the police but it's like the

02:00:33.800 the triads were literally doing the work of the chinese government so yeah yeah because the peak

02:00:38.640 of what we you what they were referring to those chinese people was there was a time

02:00:43.100 in the 80s when hong kong i might get my timelines mixed up here but there was a period where hong

02:00:48.980 kong was about to be handed back to china from britain yeah and there was there's all these

02:00:54.920 gangs there and there was some uncertainty about what was going how the power was going to shake

02:00:59.160 out so i'll read a part here but in short they permitted like a gang war for like a week straight

02:01:06.340 or like a couple weeks to like sort it all out so there was like a period where they're like the

02:01:12.280 city was dominated just by like gang murders to figure out who would take control and then whoever

02:01:16.600 took control would essentially be an appendage of the government um so it says meanwhile regulatory

02:01:23.920 changes were on the horizon in macau casinos in january 1995 the triad started to count down the

02:01:29.840 months until china would retake hong kong and macau and growing uncertainty about the future

02:01:35.440 of asian criminal markets triggered a race to secure shares of the macau vip rooms before

02:01:41.160 beijing took control in august 1995 representatives of the four macau-based triads

02:01:46.900 14k shui fong wo shing and the big circle boys formed a pong a compact called the

02:01:54.000 four pacificals to stand united against incursions from the hong kong-based triads

02:02:00.480 um hold on here yeah and they said that they gave them like a a few days to sort it out and said

02:02:08.880 that's how it was supposed to happen but after two weeks the fighting just continued in the early

02:02:13.080 stages the 14k was winning but there was too much criminal money at stake for the shin the shui fong

02:02:19.020 to bow out many macau police officers were on triad payrolls already and so basically it was a

02:02:25.400 giant gang war that also incorporated the police in them as well it was just shootouts like they're

02:02:29.860 talking about like drive-by shootings usually with motorcycles and stuff and then eventually that got

02:02:35.120 consolidated into the tribes you know right now which again work hand in glove with the chinese

02:02:40.040 communist party more or less not not it's not like they take orders but like you had said they're

02:02:45.520 basically work for the fucking police they're the same right it's funny that once they these

02:02:51.420 these individuals were coming over after they took over they started moving into canada

02:02:54.740 they were telling the supreme court they were telling everyone that they're enemies of the

02:02:59.760 chinese communist party that they're refugees but once they look at their documents it shows that

02:03:04.200 they're regularly traveling to china right they're always going back and forth to china not only that

02:03:10.600 they have phone records of them talking to the china's communist party officials so like a lot

02:03:16.760 of the time you're hearing a story that i'm anti-communist it's just a fucking lie um and

02:03:22.340 i'm not saying everyone who says that is a liar but way more than you'd think most of them yeah

02:03:27.080 yeah and it just a note here in the 2000s the big circle boys from their industrial facilities in

02:03:34.100 golden triangle switched to synthetic drug production once they mastered those uh skills

02:03:40.180 they had the blueprint for fentanyl production so that's the majority of what these organizations are

02:03:45.860 dealing in right now which makes sense it's the easiest to produce um there's a line here

02:03:53.460 that you know a lot of the chinese will justify it by saying like the history of this vancouver

02:03:58.580 model of drug trafficking was like a reaction to the opium wars and the hundred years of humiliation

02:04:04.820 to the west that scars the chinese psyche um and this is why like a lot of these big circle boys

02:04:11.100 a lot of these gangsters they come out of like the maoist regime like the big circle boys were

02:04:17.100 a lot of them were like maoist red paratroopers um who were purged from the army for being too

02:04:23.220 extreme and then they escaped to hong kong to become a cartel um and a lot of the triads

02:04:29.520 themselves actually trace their roots back to the around the 1600s um and like rebellions against

02:04:36.740 the government and stuff i found that stuff kind of interesting like they will say that all of this

02:04:40.860 is you know it depends if you believe in sort of the eastern mentality of carrying these old grudges

02:04:48.380 for centuries and centuries but you know maybe i take more of a western perspective that they just

02:04:54.000 want money whatever um so the part here for my ongoing vancouver model investigation project

02:05:01.740 fallout provided powerful evidence of direct connections among china's government the macau

02:05:07.400 casino tycoons and the triads again i have to reiterate this point the sidewinder reports

02:05:13.780 assessments so scorned in ottawa power circles are supported by canadian police wiretaps china's

02:05:20.560 government is in fact controlling drug cartels you still get pushback from this from a lot of like

02:05:27.640 politicians the implication that because it does implicate a lot of chinese businesses too

02:05:33.780 it implicates most chinese corporations like we established on the last episode like you need to

02:05:39.480 look at the Chinese school exchange program differently. You need to look at these nonprofits

02:05:45.200 differently once you know that they're explicitly propaganda tools. On one hand, there's propaganda

02:05:50.880 tools. On the other hand, it's drug trafficking tools. And that's the part that, because here's

02:05:57.460 the other thing where to make this real for people, when they talk about 60% of the refugee

02:06:06.100 papers and documents being fake so vancouver becomes not only a hub for drug trafficking

02:06:13.340 but also human trafficking that's the layer to this that doesn't get brought up that you know

02:06:18.520 everyone thinks oh like when people think of the triads this is something i really want to

02:06:22.820 establish too um when people think of the triads i think they think of you know chinese people as

02:06:28.300 more civilized they see the tycoons and they see the triad heads up there nice suits nice cars the

02:06:37.240 more dignified more ancient ancient oriental eastern stuff they're still fucking savages

02:06:43.740 they're still hacking people to death they're still doing drive-bys they're still raping

02:06:50.100 they're still kidnapping kids they're still producing child pornography there's like all

02:06:56.620 the stuff all the wretched because people think like oh that's like russian cartel stuff it's all

02:07:01.640 of them they're doing the most reprehensible stuff they're killing people with fentanyl and

02:07:06.700 they think it's funny they think it's cool and amusing they're cutting off heads they're cutting

02:07:11.640 off hands they're they're enslaving people they're you know assassin they're killing normal people

02:07:17.060 and not giving a shit the worst things you could think about mexican drug cartels the the triads

02:07:23.800 are doing as well that that's just what i want i don't want people to think that it's it's kind of

02:07:28.680 okay or it's oh it's just like another it's a shady business no like they they run fucking

02:07:34.900 rape dungeons as well and just because just because you don't take think chinese people

02:07:40.580 are as scary as other types of people i'm like no no they can be well they shipped it over

02:07:45.320 but in order for us to to get it each gang had to claim for it had to claim how many uh flicks

02:07:52.540 that they want for that month, and there wasn't that much to divide out of. Everybody eventually

02:07:58.600 became more and more greedy. There was like 500 to 1,000 bricks. Everybody had to fucking

02:08:04.680 fight for their share, to transfer for their claim. That's how we were, beating the shit

02:08:10.160 on each other, killing each other just for that couple bricks. But each brick, we probably

02:08:15.300 bought it for like around $65,000 during that time, and the highest number that we ever

02:08:20.480 sold it for that i sold it for was 140. there's more than double the price for one brick and one

02:08:26.720 brick is a pound and a half so here's just kind of a summary of the history in 1997 china took

02:08:36.320 hong kong back from the british since 1984 when prime minister margaret thatcher had announced

02:08:41.760 the handover there was a flood of migration to the west accelerated by the tiananmen square massacre

02:08:47.440 in 1989 and china would take macau too in 1999 as a result of this epochal shift a bloody turf war

02:08:55.240 raged in macau from 1996 to 1998 no one was safe there dozens of gangsters government officials

02:09:02.180 and innocent bystanders died in a poetically tragic irony the bc government enacted a major

02:09:08.480 change in gambling policy in 1997 the same month that hit the chipped tooth coys right hand

02:09:14.680 there's kind of a gangster thing there that month the ndp introduced baccarat tables for the first

02:09:21.160 time extended gambling hours and increased bet limits this is kind of the other thing that

02:09:25.440 right around the time these chinese tycoons and gangsters show up the ndp and the liberal

02:09:33.120 party specifically but ndp start changing all these gambling laws that's interesting because

02:09:39.580 baccarat like why baccarat specifically who asked for that whose constituents were like petitioning

02:09:46.480 their mp like you know what we need to have like late night million dollar baccarat tables

02:09:51.400 at like nickel mines up north that's what we need we need more of those yeah the ndp changed the

02:09:56.420 rule so overnight the maximum bet jumped from 25 to 500 per hand a 1900 increase at some level

02:10:05.500 And for some reason, the government decided to bring Macau-style gambling to Canada.

02:10:12.580 And to my mind, it seems that through greed, naivete, willful blindness, when I heard the name of the thing, I clapped, or possibly corruption, Canadian politicians and businessmen had imported Macau's shady economy and its deadly gang war.

02:10:28.800 Whatever the reasons, it was incredibly profitable market disruption.

02:10:32.520 So he's a pro.

02:10:34.520 he's not going to outright say what happened but he's like there's a lot of coincidences here

02:10:39.380 and a lot of the coincidences involve the liberal party of canada specifically justin trudeau and a

02:10:45.200 lot of the ndp individuals for people who don't know the ndp is the new democratic party it's sort

02:10:51.660 of like the it's a political party in canada that's further left than um than the liberals

02:10:58.140 and it's to my money it's pretty much dominated by you know immigrants at this point it's the

02:11:04.340 people too extreme and too like anti-white for the liberals they're part of a coalition that's

02:11:10.460 holding the government together right now as well yeah and there's like all these cases like just

02:11:15.960 like that not just ndp but there's a bc liberal premier named joe clark um back then he opened up

02:11:23.460 he opens up bc to china's belt and road initiative even though csis the fbi and all these other five

02:11:30.560 eyes organizations know that the belt road initiative is the primary vector for chinese

02:11:35.000 espionage but then you you have suspiciously these politicians opening it up and like when you have

02:11:41.920 your own intelligence agencies telling you not to do it but you do it anyway there's got to be

02:11:46.800 something to that like when csis tells justin trudeau don't sell this company to china and he

02:11:52.540 does it anyway when he's they don't sell own it don't sell this tech company that creates the

02:11:59.120 technology for our spycraft don't sell it to china and then it gets blocked by stephen harper

02:12:04.100 the moment justin trudeau takes office he sells it you're gonna tell me that's not fucking

02:12:08.820 suspicious no and there's one of the reasons one of the reasons for the delay there's a case in

02:12:15.760 here of an individual named cameron ortis i'm pretty sure it's ortis not ortiz ortis he was an

02:12:21.960 rcmp analyst and he was leaking information to china leaking information to what he calls the

02:12:27.220 narco terrorists um so he's this guy who's actually and how many others are there within

02:12:33.800 the rcmb who are trying to gum up the works and like throughout the book he's talking about i try

02:12:38.840 and make you know inquiries and i'm blocked i'm blocked by individuals with hostility and ccs and

02:12:45.560 all these organizations are filled with people who are leaking information to china to these triads

02:12:50.100 to block people from knowing about it there's one case here specifically to to show about this guy

02:12:57.820 sir ultimately ortiz's expertise on chinese transnational crime and cyber criminals propelled

02:13:05.200 him to the pinnacle of canadian intelligence despite his having no operational experience

02:13:10.460 and here's something my sources found very strange one of the u.s state department's top

02:13:15.340 national security concerns is chai lop si the canadian big circle boy who may have been the

02:13:21.860 world's top narco before australian federal police nailed him in the netherlands uh as he was

02:13:27.220 preparing to fly to toronto uh even though si left china in 2010 his network in toronto is very strong

02:13:33.720 um so in around 2014 the rcmp was informed by australian federal police that si

02:13:42.360 and the company were running a global crystal meth import-export hub in Markham,

02:13:47.640 right under the nose of the Canadian police forces.

02:13:50.500 This was embarrassing for Ottawa, to say the least.

02:13:53.700 And units that Ortiz influenced started surveillance on seized deputies in Markham

02:13:58.380 and produced intelligence reports for the Five Eyes.

02:14:02.300 Here's an interesting aside.

02:14:03.740 I'm told that undercover agents who set up at a location in Markham

02:14:07.240 were very surprised to see a senior Canadian elected official

02:14:11.020 in the vicinity of a C group meeting.

02:14:14.220 And here's another mind bender.

02:14:15.740 Some Canadians and Australian federal police got together in 2015

02:14:19.020 and concluded that C's Toronto network and Jin's network

02:14:23.740 were, of course, working together.

02:14:25.620 This all made perfect sense.

02:14:28.960 But when Ortiz took over the RCMP's National Intelligence Centre in 2016,

02:14:34.580 his team suddenly had a very different opinion

02:14:36.980 that the experts in australian and canadian anti-gang units um he wasn't interested at all

02:14:42.680 in this gang in this interconnected network of drug traffickers literally just in the markham

02:14:48.080 ontario so there's cases it's funny because this ortiz guy like he's picked because he's such an

02:14:54.480 expert on china you know what i mean like he loves china so much and it's like oh the most obvious

02:15:00.720 thing in the world happened there's so many like i don't know how you i don't know how you sort for

02:15:04.720 this like the guys who are so into mexican drug cartels but just end up becoming like a cartel

02:15:11.020 asset like it seems inevitable i don't know how you do i don't know how you have like the most

02:15:15.320 undercover guys who are so who know so much about russian culture that they are russian themselves

02:15:21.340 and then don't become just like a fucking you know russian mob guy it's kind of related to

02:15:27.400 what we're saying earlier about the 35 year old indian women in positions of power yeah yeah 1.00

02:15:32.920 that's how these people get hired 1.00

02:15:34.380 there's one last thing I just wanted to establish

02:15:37.180 because I know we gotta get going soon

02:15:38.520 yeah I just wanted to talk about

02:15:40.940 the fentanyl thing a bit more

02:15:42.900 so here's a part from

02:15:45.120 page 220 said

02:15:46.200 lots of criminals

02:15:48.960 across Canada were selling fentanyl

02:15:50.720 the vast majority was coming in from

02:15:52.780 mainland China and many

02:15:54.740 shipments arrived in small postal packages

02:15:57.040 but according to my sources

02:15:58.720 in BC at the very top of North

02:16:00.720 America's fentanyl trade were the same

02:16:02.740 people laundering massive piles of cash in bc casinos it was the network orbiting the big circle

02:16:08.480 boys the same loose coalition of uber criminals that had been running heroin loads into vancouver

02:16:13.940 ports since expo 86 and they didn't mess around with canada canada post they were shipping

02:16:20.320 mountains of fentanyl and methamphetamine precursors into vancouver so my sources were

02:16:26.360 saying if you want to understand fentanyl deaths in north america visualize a heat map of factories

02:16:32.060 surrounding cities like Wuhan and Guangzhou.

02:16:35.360 And then imagine a multitude of red bands

02:16:38.700 flowing from southern China

02:16:39.980 and landing across the Americas.

02:16:42.280 Sort of like one of those

02:16:43.660 telecommunication network maps.

02:16:46.940 The tiny bands are landing across North America

02:16:49.200 and the giant red bands are hitting ports

02:16:51.400 in British Columbia and Mexico.

02:16:53.700 This represents the routes

02:16:55.000 of relative volumes of fentanyl.

02:16:58.300 So a lot of people,

02:16:59.700 like when i say vancouver is a hub of this stuff like you need to understand like it's a hub in

02:17:06.420 north america vancouver is a landing pad for so much fentanyl and so many slaves

02:17:13.500 and like because you think like oh fentanyl it's gotta have nothing on miami it's worse than miami

02:17:19.420 i promise you miami is the third stop this shit takes and goes through vancouver through these

02:17:25.680 ports through this is laundered through this real estate like it's actually insane to think

02:17:31.560 about how bad vancouver is i don't think that's mentioned enough we kind of know it's bad and you

02:17:37.300 kind of know the chinese government's involved but you need to understand like the the grip these

02:17:43.660 tentacles have and how many people are dying directly from these gangs specifically the big

02:17:50.780 circle by it's kind of a silly name but they're the ones who really rose to the top and i would

02:17:55.480 recommend this book because it goes into phenomenal detail on some of the characters i didn't get a

02:18:00.500 chance to go into them today but it'll go into you know very narrative driven stories about

02:18:07.480 where these guys came from because a lot of these guys they come they're peasants that's what's so

02:18:11.960 interesting a lot of these guys they're not really trying the people we're talking about in the

02:18:16.720 tribes and the gangs they come from and when i say peasants i mean real peasants i mean not not

02:18:23.000 detroit detroit is royalty compared to like they they walk out of a fucking swamp and and it's kind

02:18:30.080 of inspiring to hear the story but it's like oh yeah he opened up a bicycle repair shop and then

02:18:34.540 within two years he was a heroin trafficker i don't know how you connect those dots but

02:18:38.960 apparently it happened enough um but yeah they and then they end up running factories like

02:18:45.140 it's they're not underground factories above ground factories and huge fucking massive

02:18:50.580 buildings where everyone knows and you got police protection imagine how much fentanyl you can

02:18:55.880 produce if you just have like a ford plant yeah right it's insane but yeah then you see these

02:19:02.960 guys they are true savages they are true like you know gold teeth will shoot you in the in your

02:19:09.240 fucking face if you if you offend them and you know again like i said there's cases of drive-by

02:19:14.600 shootings there's assassinations true mob shit happening so don't think that it's a more

02:19:21.060 dignified type of crime it's being brought here and it's and they're putting other gangs under

02:19:27.380 their thumb which is i guess amusing and sad you know a white man can't run a cartel these days

02:19:33.240 yeah we should we should try though i feel really it makes the hell's angels sound kind of sad right

02:19:39.640 now like i want i'm angling for the hell's angels yep i watched sons of anarchy i believe that they

02:19:46.640 were cool turns out they're all homeless now they're all homeless and on heroin and dina

02:19:51.760 fentanyl anyway so i guess that's um that's all you have time to cover today that's all i wanted

02:19:58.300 to cover the big stuff um and i guess we could end there's one thing this is the second edition

02:20:03.920 of the book he mentions at the end that after the release of the book there were a chinese mps

02:20:09.540 that were targeted by china for embracing pro-canada defense positions um but they took

02:20:15.660 uh a special interest in the trudeau government that there is a case to be made that while there

02:20:23.880 are china there's chinese politicians who aren't in the pocket of the chinese government i just

02:20:28.880 want to say i know i'm going to be fair not all chinese politicians or professors are spies

02:20:35.300 but i will say that the liberal party is captured by the chinese communist party and that includes

02:20:42.060 justin trudeau so it's not even just like oh i see a chinese politician they're bad no no no

02:20:47.120 our white retards are also botnal and if you look at the stories here all of the big decisions that

02:20:54.500 were made to allow this to happen were done by these fucking white assholes who were just i guess

02:21:00.800 we don't know the exact story it just seems suspicious that all of a sudden

02:21:03.980 you can bet five hundred dollars on baccarat now anywho

02:21:08.020 this type of gambling that no one but chinese people does who plays baccarat like the u.s is

02:21:16.360 china's existential enemy their nemesis and we are a tiny ant economically compared to china

02:21:23.000 and we have an open border with the u.s like you have to you have to really jump through a lot of

02:21:28.420 hoops to explain by china wouldn't be exploiting that natural relationship like it's it's obvious

02:21:34.840 that they would be at least trying to so there's just one line here i thought was kind of interesting

02:21:39.640 criminal syndicates working with the government of north korea are flooding the u.s japan and

02:21:45.780 other countries with counterfeit currency fake cigarettes and methamphetamines the wall street

02:21:50.280 journal reported in 19 2005 sorry citing a u.s secret service probe against hong kong macau bank

02:21:57.900 the network patterns were significant casinos narcos tycoons real estate developers bankers

02:22:03.560 weapons traffickers and state actors all linked to underground mainland china and that's kind of

02:22:10.820 what i wanted to end out which is i wanted to say like just what a network hub china itself is

02:22:15.760 for international crime and that there is drug trafficking and that the overlap with the chinese

02:22:21.700 government like if you have this much overlap with criminal cartels you have a huge overlap

02:22:27.140 with terrorists as well just by the nature of it and it's difficult to show exactly where those

02:22:33.460 overlaps are but they're definitely there this is all this dark money shit is related and i guess

02:22:39.180 that's the one thing to end on one thing you learn and this is to your point uh i think it's a good

02:22:44.420 point end on that america is very disappointed in canada like and like i said before how they

02:22:51.900 the australians found out like oh yeah you you guys realize that you have like a an underground

02:22:57.080 you know drug traffic operation here and that's like oh really like canada is being told by other

02:23:03.600 intelligence agencies how fucked up we are and we are a five eyes member like this is bad for canada

02:23:09.620 like above the five eyes members i think canada has the most damaged reputation i wouldn't be

02:23:15.640 surprised if canada is kind of locked out of a lot of decisions right now because you're at the

02:23:20.760 highest levels of csis like they're still trying to figure out what's going on like it's bad it's

02:23:26.180 It's fucking embarrassing that it's this bad.

02:23:29.020 And we're compromised in a level where America is always like, what the fuck are you doing?

02:23:34.660 And we talked about the last episode, like Pierre Trudeau pursuing such an aggressive trade relationship with China just to spite America.

02:23:42.680 It's like this is a long history.

02:23:44.780 Even there, like Pierre Trudeau's relationship with the Cubans and the Russians and the communists, right?

02:23:49.180 Like for for more or less for 100 years, Canada's special relationship with the U.S. has made us like the little brother you needle to get what you want from the big guy.

02:23:59.940 You know what I mean? Like it's kind of it's almost like the nature of Canada, Canadian politics is it's not just we're in the American shadow.

02:24:07.460 It's that America's enemies always try to fuck us in the ass and as a way to get at them.

02:24:12.880 This starts with Expo 86.

02:24:15.380 Expo 86 in Canada was us starting to pursue that aggressive trade relationship with China.

02:24:22.320 And it mentions in the book, this Expo 86 was done to try and increase Chinese investment in Canada.

02:24:29.020 And right around that same time, we see the emergence of China white, China heroin, same time.

02:24:38.060 What a coincidence.

02:24:38.700 right whoa uh one pound one pound of china white cost 5k to produce uh in china by the time it

02:24:46.580 hits vancouver it's selling for 100k uh yeah so and that's it that it's it actually started with

02:24:55.460 refugees and started with please invest your money here and we're not even gonna look at where that

02:25:00.360 money's coming from anyway that's all i gotta say about that for now we'll probably come back to

02:25:04.580 this in the future but i think that's a good two-parter about uh how bad things are here

02:25:10.160 yeah that was a good one all right all right i'll talk to you later yeah man good see you

02:25:14.900 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you

02:25:28.800 i am absolutely thrilled to be sitting here with someone i've been very interested in some time

02:25:38.220 been following this individual known as the black horse now the black horse is the creator of the

02:25:44.780 substack that i've got a lot of interest in right now called the red ensign which is at the red

02:25:49.920 ensign.substack.com uh that deals primarily with deeper canadian history and canadian identity and

02:25:57.620 We'll talk about that in a second.

02:25:59.020 But he's also the CEO of the Beowulf Foundation, which can be found at Beowulf.Foundation.

02:26:05.900 And you can also find him on Twitter at The Black Horse, where you can find all his most

02:26:09.420 recent updates.

02:26:10.600 So first of all, I just wanted to thank you very much for taking the time to sit down

02:26:14.280 with me.

02:26:15.360 Yeah, thank you for that kind introduction.

02:26:16.940 I'm a smaller profile in this space, but intentionally so.

02:26:23.700 So it's good to see that I've had, it's good to see some interest.

02:26:28.320 He's a good old fashioned Canadian boy.

02:26:31.360 And before we get started, I haven't really talked much about the Beowulf Foundation on

02:26:38.140 this show before.

02:26:39.180 I've been aware of it and we're aware of the Shieldings event, but I was wondering if you

02:26:44.080 wanted to take the time and maybe just summarize for people who don't know what the Beowulf

02:26:49.240 foundation is what you do and what uh what people might be familiar with but not know it's you

02:26:54.180 yeah so the beowulf foundation uh is an umbrella organization um designed to facilitate for uh

02:27:04.500 the what i would say the political movements associated with the intellectual work going on

02:27:11.800 on the sort of uh on the distant right so we've done a couple of things uh we created some alt

02:27:19.560 tech solutions during the period when when discord was pretty aggressively censoring we

02:27:26.280 set up the shieldings events and we're currently looking to expand from just political conferences

02:27:35.160 to art and mythology events as well so you should be seeing some of that in the next in the next

02:27:43.000 year from us and we've got some other pieces we built the basket weaving communities so basket

02:27:52.360 weaving is a euphemism for connecting in real life with like-minded people the intent is to kind of

02:28:01.480 grow basket weaving into local networks that will be valuable in the years to come so those are kind

02:28:08.800 of the three projects that are out there already and then there are a couple of things going on in

02:28:14.260 the background to try to build more infrastructure for people in this space and people are wondering

02:28:20.680 i joined basket weaving myself so dimes did it there you go aren't you um and i've gotten a

02:28:28.880 a nice welcome so far,

02:28:31.060 even a couple of people who know the show and,

02:28:33.140 and even a couple of those couples said good job on the show.

02:28:39.760 Um,

02:28:40.480 yeah,

02:28:40.720 so I,

02:28:41.180 I,

02:28:41.440 some people are aware of the shieldings events that I think there's one

02:28:44.520 coming up in Nashville recent soon.

02:28:47.060 Is that?

02:28:47.700 Yeah.

02:28:47.940 In a couple of weeks.

02:28:49.660 So if you want to go over and buy a ticket,

02:28:52.700 I think there's a few tickets left,

02:28:54.160 uh,

02:28:54.540 but I think they're pretty close to sold out.

02:28:56.480 So if you want to do that,

02:28:57.920 you better do it.

02:28:58.880 All right. Now, I'm curious to hear a bit more about yourself. I know we're very conscious about not doxing anyone on here, but very few people recently in our space seem to be approaching the Canadian identity question with any real vigor.

02:29:18.840 Maybe we might have seen it a few years ago.

02:29:20.860 There used to be a lot of podcasts that just kind of went away and a lot of people who

02:29:24.500 were talking about this thing called like the Red Ensign Movement, but then kind of

02:29:28.060 went away.

02:29:28.680 I'm curious about you in as general terms as you could give.

02:29:32.780 So what's your background?

02:29:34.260 What made you kind of approach Canadian identity this way from more of the, I suppose, the

02:29:39.720 British perspective?

02:29:41.220 And just what's your story on why you've taken up this cause?

02:29:45.060 yeah so uh there's layers to this first of all i'm a greater than seventh generation canadian

02:29:54.000 so i i can't actually trace uh beyond that but i can trace seven generations of my family on

02:30:00.860 both sides that have inhabited this you know 200 square mile a piece of real estate in southern

02:30:06.340 ontario so uh i have a personal connection to the canada that existed before canada was wiped away

02:30:14.680 the last time so there's a kind of personal motivation there but the second motivation is that

02:30:28.360 i think as the ability of the sort of global liberal empire to deliver

02:30:34.040 material prosperity starts to decline and we can all feel it declining right now

02:30:39.960 um there's a need uh to there's a process going on called that i call re-tribalization

02:30:52.200 which means that people are going to start retreating from these giant patronage networks

02:30:58.360 that are the national states we all live in and start uh retreating into smaller patronage

02:31:05.400 networks that are more tightly tied in terms of identity. And you can see this going on in the

02:31:12.360 way that people consume information. They're consuming information less and less from

02:31:16.140 official sources and more and more from sources that are their own networks that have their own

02:31:22.560 friend-enemy distinctions. And so it's caused me to think a great deal about what kind of

02:31:31.260 communities are possible uh in canada and you know i'm not sure that there are that it's possible

02:31:41.340 to recover uh a pre a pre-american canadian identity i don't know whether it's possible but

02:31:48.540 i thought that a couple of things were true first of all it's worth reflecting on the the virtues

02:31:56.220 of the people that were that formed this nation before us um you know there were a whole collection

02:32:03.500 of them that were incredibly admirable and it's it's just it's worth reflecting on that as an

02:32:08.620 intellectual exercise second the history of how they were um dispossessed is a really valuable

02:32:16.620 history to study um because you have like a total circulation of elite that occurs in canada

02:32:23.900 first in the 19th century and then in the the 70s and circulations of elite that are relatively

02:32:31.280 peaceful uh are not that common and so there's real value in in kind of studying them and

02:32:36.900 presenting them as as case studies uh and third uh i think uh

02:32:45.920 so we can talk a little bit more about the status of the the modern canadian state

02:32:54.360 but even if the modern canadian state is irrecoverable there's still this group of

02:33:00.440 people with this common history this common uh culture and bond of heritage uh that are going

02:33:07.280 to need to make it in the world somehow and i don't particularly want my culture to be erased

02:33:12.320 I don't want my people to be erased. So I looked around and noticed that there are a number of

02:33:18.340 people who have been dispossessed of their place. And famously, there's a small Middle Eastern

02:33:27.600 people who were dispossessed of their place for like, you know, 1800 years, and yet they're still

02:33:34.340 with us. And so, you know, what do they do? Well, they have things that are just for them,

02:33:40.820 And they have this kind of deep-seated sense of who they are. And they have this really strong kind of in-group preference in networks that cross borders. And so the Red Ensign project is kind of focused on those elements. It's very early days.

02:34:00.540 You called it My Substack, but the intent is for it to be a contributing publication.

02:34:05.820 So you see, of the first three articles, there's a contributed article there already.

02:34:10.380 And I'm hoping to have several more as we kind of go along.

02:34:14.680 Oh, I think I saw Skeptical Waves in there as well.

02:34:17.600 That's a guy I'm familiar with.

02:34:21.160 He's part of the network, yes.

02:34:23.760 I encourage people to check that out.

02:34:25.860 And there's a few things you touched on there that I found very interesting.

02:34:28.920 And I just wanted to also say that this is something we've discussed on the show before, not only on the show, but in our sister site called the Vanguardist Journal.

02:34:40.220 And one of the early, maybe the first article published on there, they're all written by me, was about kind of creating this new idea of Canadian nationalism.

02:34:50.520 Like, first of all, what is nationalism? How do we define it? And then how can we create sort of a new form of Canadian identity that is tied to the past? Because I think a lot of people recognize that there's at the very least a germ of a Canadian identity that everyone's aware of. They know, even liberals hate the idea of being American.

02:35:12.460 They know it enough to hate it, right?

02:35:14.800 Yeah.

02:35:15.020 They know it enough to pull down all the flags.

02:35:17.880 Yeah.

02:35:18.220 It's weird that they know, they're aware of the Canadian identity, but they also don't

02:35:20.860 want to be known as Americans.

02:35:22.140 So they're stuck in this limbo where they hate who they are, but they hate becoming

02:35:26.260 anything else.

02:35:28.080 But the thing is, we have to, we're always asking like, okay, what can, can the new sort

02:35:32.680 of Canadian nationalism be?

02:35:34.940 And I think that Canada represents certain opportunities that are not presented.

02:35:41.040 and first i use the word nationalism in a lot of people would think that's even like a 20th

02:35:45.580 century sort of idea like i'm arguing sort of more vague and abstract like group dynamics it

02:35:51.040 doesn't need to be traditional nationalism that's what i was getting at like the the byline of the

02:35:56.300 introduction to the substack is canada a people not a post-national state which means it's an

02:36:02.820 emphasis on the nation in sort of the 19th the 18th or 19th century conception rather than the

02:36:09.080 nation in the sense of the nation state. Yeah. And that's something we have written about on

02:36:13.680 the article in the journal before about this idea of the nation more as this like generative force.

02:36:18.980 It's not just bureaucratic boundaries, which is what a lot of people think of nationalism.

02:36:24.620 I mean, was there a Jewish nation for the 1800 years in which Israel was not run as a Jewish

02:36:32.520 state? And that's what's interesting. When you read these old texts from centuries ago,

02:36:37.580 when they use the word nation, they use it to refer to this people and that the laws and customs

02:36:44.520 and the kind of the metaphysical structure that travels with that people. So even pulled from the

02:36:51.900 national boundaries, they would still recognize like there's this thing called a nation that

02:36:55.420 that's beyond just like a tribe and beyond just like a family. Like there's a graduation there.

02:37:01.020 So, and it's only recently where people kind of got twisted up. Um, well, I mean, for how many

02:37:06.580 years did people talk about the irish nation when there was no irish state precisely so this is not

02:37:13.500 a unique phenomenon it's not unique in history that canada that canadians find themselves in

02:37:19.080 this position where um there's a this kind of the the state that we once called our nation state

02:37:27.860 you know very clearly doesn't belong to us and so uh you know what next you know one thing i was

02:37:35.700 going to get at was one thing that I think is unique about Canada that presents certain

02:37:40.760 opportunities compared to, let's say, the United States. Because the United States,

02:37:45.400 similar size landmass, a bit smaller, but it's very, very hospitable, very temperate. There's

02:37:52.420 a great biodiversity, just in terms of nature, not in terms of the people, but biodiversity in

02:37:57.340 America. There's something almost uniquely hostile about the Canadian landscape that I think works

02:38:04.060 in a lot of let's call them old stock canadian favor and the reason i say that is because i was

02:38:08.640 reading a couple articles recently basically about refugees and immigrants complaining about canada

02:38:14.860 one was the they felt like they were sold an economic bill of goods they say it's not yes

02:38:20.820 it's not as easy as here as we thought and then also they hate the temperature everyone you know

02:38:24.660 most people if they're aware of the canadian uh distribution of the population a lot of it hugs

02:38:30.020 that southern border but a lot of what we might call old stock canadians they're dispersed

02:38:34.760 further north they're dispersed in the places that are you need to be a canadian to like and

02:38:40.620 traverse them it's very outdoorsy if you're not an outdoorsy person you're not going to fucking

02:38:45.060 like it here you have to have a pretty good relationship with nature just for it to make

02:38:49.940 sense and i think that hostility might work in in our favor long term one of the interesting

02:38:57.340 things about canada is that there's a history of back migration where people come here and then

02:39:02.100 they they just they leave because so like in canada in toronto which is the largest city in

02:39:09.920 canada there's this long history of uh italian canadian slums in in in toronto uh but where did

02:39:18.020 all these people go well if you actually like study the ethnography a lot of them went back

02:39:23.440 to italy a lot of most of them went to the united states because um they came here at a time when

02:39:29.740 uh in like the late 19th early 20th century when things were pretty bad especially in southern

02:39:35.100 italy uh but uh it turns out that there's a lot easier places to make a living than in

02:39:41.040 than in the great way north so yeah and what's interesting is once again that presents certain

02:39:47.040 opportunities to canadians because a lot of people have remarked that there's a lot of content

02:39:53.040 creator from canada what's that about even not just in our scene but generally there's way more

02:39:58.740 famous content creators broadcasters and whatnot from this relatively lower population country than

02:40:05.440 you would expect and you know one of the reasons given was that canada just doesn't have the same

02:40:11.080 entertainment infrastructure forcing people to kind of do it themselves there's more of a

02:40:15.800 preponderance of um independent media here which kind of yeah amplifies over time because we don't

02:40:23.040 have mtv we we have to get not only do we not have mtv we also don't have fox news right so

02:40:30.160 if you have any non-hyper progressive opinions it's like impossible to watch cbc or something

02:40:38.780 yeah so unless you're the type of person who's willing to rub two sticks together

02:40:43.620 then it's it's you're going to have a hard time here you have to work a bit harder

02:40:47.540 to get everything from consumer packaged goods groceries to decent internet everything kind of

02:40:54.940 sucks a bit more and maybe that's a good filter yeah well especially as canada kind of uh appears

02:41:02.920 to get poorer um you know a little hardship uh you know it'll hurt some people but maybe it's not

02:41:11.180 not such a bad thing there's a lot of canadians getting into food prep and cooking at home and

02:41:16.100 because just because everything's you you cannot survive if you're not smart on food here it's

02:41:22.360 just like the grocery bills are going to rape you and i say like i use the term rape a lot

02:41:27.920 i'm always getting raped by concepts however that's one for sure if you're canadians like

02:41:34.180 that's i hear this every week from my wife it's like how did we spend this much money we just

02:41:38.560 vegetables i'm like i know we should just eat meat but you should exclusively eat uh bison like

02:41:47.220 like the great canadian ancestors yeah like this is the whole michaela peterson grift but maybe

02:41:52.220 she was on to something maybe we just eat beef every day return to pemmican right yeah it turns

02:42:00.360 that the of all the words of tongue and pen the saddest are jordan peterson was right again

02:42:06.060 you had mentioned an interesting thing at the start when you're talking about the circulation

02:42:14.260 of elites you had mentioned one circulation in the 70s and one prior to that i was wondering if you

02:42:20.880 could clarify that a little bit for people who don't know yeah so canada um most people are kind

02:42:29.900 vaguely aware that canada began kind of as a compact between two peoples uh a british a group

02:42:37.260 of british settlers and a group of french canadian settlers who were exchanged in a colonial war and

02:42:42.220 then in the in the 18th century um most people aren't aware that the sort of founding seed of

02:42:48.780 the british settlers in in canada were refugees after the americans or after the american war

02:42:55.020 of independence so british loyalists during the war of independence were pretty severely persecuted

02:43:05.820 and after the british pulled out of new york they resettled they bought a large tract of

02:43:12.220 land in what's now ontario and resettled some of these people in acadia and resettled some

02:43:17.420 of these people in ontario and put them into a colonial unit with the french canadians

02:43:22.940 um and this was sort of the beginning of what we now call canada in the years that followed

02:43:31.500 um there developed a very explicitly british colonial elite um that that ruled the the colony

02:43:41.340 um and there were two pieces to this elite that kind of mirrored the two political parties back

02:43:48.060 in britain there was there was a dominant piece which was associated with the conservative the

02:43:55.180 conservative party back in britain which was hyper imperialist hyper colonial and you can understand

02:44:02.640 why on the frontier they would become the dominant political force even when they weren't always the

02:44:07.960 dominant political force back in in the uk uh and then there was a sort of there was a piece of the

02:44:16.680 colonial elite that mirrored the liberal party back in the uk but uh the problem with this i

02:44:22.840 this political affiliation in the colonial world was that there's no power dividend to it because

02:44:29.240 if you're like an imperialist you can lean back on the networks of imperialist power and finance

02:44:35.520 back in the old country but if you're an anti-imperialist in a uh in a settler colony

02:44:41.980 there's kind of there's there's no lines of power so for the period for basically the entire 19th

02:44:48.480 century canada was dominated by this british um this this british imperialist elite with quite

02:44:59.280 strong ties back to the uk and i've written about some of these figures uh lord strathcona is

02:45:06.320 probably the kind of the emblematic figure of this uh he got his start in the hudson's bay company

02:45:12.380 which was headquartered in london but you know all of its money was made uh trading furs and sort of

02:45:21.520 basic supplies uh to the remote peoples scattered through sort of what's now northern canada

02:45:28.940 uh and so he got his start there and then he made all of his money in uh distributing

02:45:36.460 again most people wouldn't know this but the hudson's bay company um controlled territory

02:45:42.960 which would now be like the third largest country in the world the hudson's bay's property was

02:45:50.120 actually larger than the united states yeah i remember learning that in high school when we

02:45:54.580 were doing Canadian history. Was that called Rupert's Land or is that something else?

02:46:00.100 Well, Rupert's Land was the core of it, but there were other properties that they had as well.

02:46:04.820 Yeah. Basically, so much of Canada was just owned by this company. And for people who don't know,

02:46:10.440 who are non-Canadians, the Hudson's Bay Company still exists to this day as one of the only

02:46:16.040 department stores left. Yeah. It became a department store really in the

02:46:24.580 early 20th century, because in these remote communities, it was the everything store.

02:46:30.100 So if you wanted manufactured goods, you would go to the Hudson's Bay trading post,

02:46:34.960 you would sell whatever product you have in your remote location, and you would buy,

02:46:39.300 you know, famously blankets, but also like everything that you needed to live

02:46:43.860 in the middle of goddamn nowhere. But in the 19th century, the late 19th century,

02:46:51.960 early 20th century uh the hudson's bay company distributed all this land that it owned most of

02:46:58.680 it was distributed in a single act of parliament uh in the uk but there was but the land the parts

02:47:06.120 of the land which were considered valuable were sold off to the railroad industry so uh

02:47:14.920 alexander smith ran an inside outside game with the canadian government as they were trying to

02:47:19.320 to build railroads going westward, where he would, on the one hand, own large chunks of the land

02:47:26.700 through the Hudson's Bay Company. On the other hand, uses influence in Parliament to make sure

02:47:31.160 that the railroad went over the tracts of land that he owned and therefore had to buy it from him.

02:47:38.400 So you can see Canadian politics has not changed all that much in 150 years in terms of mechanics,

02:47:45.620 but uh certainly um i mean this is a guy who privately financed and raised a regiment to go

02:47:57.020 fight in south africa in the boer war so it's a the kind of belief in in he was british in a way

02:48:04.820 that british people aren't british anymore yeah in your article i believe that's lord strathcona's

02:48:10.560 horse embarking on south and there's a right near the end there there's an image of it as well

02:48:14.900 yeah well i i also include one of the i i i love including these images from late 19th century

02:48:22.680 canada because uh it's a reminder of what late 19th century canada looked like yeah there's so

02:48:29.860 much of canadian history that is like hand in glove with nature as well like a lot of these

02:48:34.620 photos are very very rugged looking and you know when you talk to a lot of the canadian

02:48:40.260 and identitarian people like this is like you know a lot of american identitarians will harken

02:48:46.620 back to like the 1960s 1950s sort of the post-war era as their ideal time for canadians you're going

02:48:54.740 back to like like 1841 yeah it's like a and for most of that history canada as a nation like

02:49:03.900 nobody nobody in 1930 canada believed that canada was a country there there's a tiny

02:49:10.520 like a tiny group of people who believe that canada was and should be a country at that time

02:49:16.160 the overwhelming majority of people believe that canada was uh like a an element of the british

02:49:24.020 empire and that was their their kind of primary identity that's an interesting uh way to look at

02:49:29.180 because in America, you had...

02:49:31.260 One of the books we covered on the show

02:49:32.840 was The True History of the American Revolution.

02:49:38.160 And there's a part kind of near the end

02:49:40.640 that dealt with Canada.

02:49:42.100 Of course, Britain was involved

02:49:43.360 in the American Revolution

02:49:44.420 and Canada by proxy was involved too.

02:49:47.620 And I believe it was Samuel Adams

02:49:49.960 in his writings.

02:49:51.540 They're always trying to get Canadians involved.

02:49:53.420 They're always trying to get people...

02:49:54.940 Because there's always dissidents around.

02:49:57.180 But they were trying to...

02:49:59.180 kind of rise the rancor in Canadians

02:50:02.220 and issue different types of propaganda

02:50:05.500 just to see what worked, and it never did.

02:50:07.660 And I think he famously claimed that Canadians

02:50:10.240 just lacked a revolutionary spirit.

02:50:13.180 That was the word.

02:50:14.480 Yeah.

02:50:15.040 But I'm like, maybe.

02:50:16.560 I mean, because revolution was in the air at the time

02:50:19.240 during the French Revolution,

02:50:20.500 so revolution was this cool thing

02:50:22.880 that for whatever reason Canadians lacked.

02:50:25.120 But once you look at what Canada was,

02:50:27.180 like it wasn't a homogenous nation it wasn't even a nation in the process of becoming we didn't

02:50:33.440 really get there until like 1940 i'm trying to think of when the flag i was just reading earlier

02:50:40.340 today well that's all the 60s that's all the the quote invention of canada period yeah and you you

02:50:46.840 had some interesting thoughts on the invention of canada period as well i guess that would be the

02:50:51.360 destruction, in essence, or the destruction of the spirit of this Canada that we're talking

02:50:57.400 about now. Yeah, it's the circulation of elites to replace the British elites with the American

02:51:06.500 elites. And to be clear in my earlier comment, the circulation of elites I was discussing was

02:51:11.700 the replacement of French Canadian elites, because there's an older Canada, which is French Canada,

02:51:19.240 with the british aristocracy um and that that was pretty heavy-handed you know uh the the colony was

02:51:27.320 conquered and then all these refugees were resettled here and then uh everyone who was

02:51:33.820 allowed to be in power was a believer in the british empire yeah so was the british takeover

02:51:39.160 more economic and industrialist in a sense like it was purely just business related or was it

02:51:44.720 something else do you think well the the takeover by the british so the french exchanged uh quebec

02:51:52.060 uh which was the the name of the french canadian colony to the british empire for some possessions

02:51:57.480 in the the caribbean uh so um the the french canadian settlers in quebec were kind of sold

02:52:06.180 out in that regard and then uh when you're in a colony of the british empire the only people who

02:52:13.300 were really allowed to be in charge of anything are british imperialists i just want to do my i

02:52:17.660 can't do a donald trump voice but i want to do it was the worst trade in the history of trades

02:52:22.700 and then uh but the 1960s is a very different kind of uh takeover so uh that's a circulation

02:52:33.940 of elites from the sort of british elite to the well canada gets uh conquered by what are now

02:52:44.180 called the laurentian elite which are um partly french canadian partly american but they they've

02:52:51.700 they very much are believers in they're believers in two things they're believers in the french

02:52:58.100 French-Canadian ethnostate, and they're believers in Americanism as a mechanism for ruling

02:53:05.720 Anglo-Canada. That's an interesting combination because I think a lot of Canadians who are

02:53:10.960 listening will be aware of the French-Quebecois ethno-nationalism. It's one of the few places,

02:53:18.460 like a lot of Canadian identitarians will look to Quebec and say, look, they got rules about

02:53:23.180 language and arguably ethnicity. Quebec is probably, it's one of the last ethnostates

02:53:29.940 in the Western world, maybe the last, but Quebec is ruled even today explicitly for the benefit

02:53:37.600 of a specific ethnicity. Exactly. And to the point where, and we've talked about this on the show,

02:53:43.380 where they have like language rules, they do almost like a jizzy attacks where if you don't

02:53:48.040 speak French, almost exclusively, you just have to pay a tax. And then they make it hostile for

02:53:53.800 people who want to live there and not speak French. And this Laurentian elite, where would

02:54:00.540 you say their status is in sort of the overall Canadian rankings? Are they near the top? Are

02:54:04.560 they kind of the top guys? So the Laurentian elite have two parts. They have a Franco-Canadian

02:54:12.540 ethno-nationalist element, and they have an American progressive shit-lip element.

02:54:18.040 And these two items coexist in this really strange relationship, but often coexist in the same people.

02:54:26.280 So if you look at the figure of Pierre Trudeau, who's kind of the emblematic head of the French-Canadian, of the Laurentian elite, he both believed in a French-Canadian, almost national socialist state, and believed in bringing down the progressive vision from the 19th century on the rest of Canada.

02:54:54.160 Well, and I noticed the same and maybe not to the same degree, but I noticed similar attributes in Justin Trudeau where like here is another strong French Canadian identity who is the leader of progressivism maybe or wants to be rather.

02:55:12.560 I shouldn't say he is.

02:55:13.320 He desperately wants to be like a Joe Biden level.

02:55:16.720 He'll never get there, though.

02:55:17.420 But like I see.

02:55:19.120 Do you think that a Justin Trudeau would still harbor that sort of agenda?

02:55:24.160 Yeah. So in the period since the 70s, there have been growing tensions between these two elements within that elite.

02:55:38.620 And if you watch Justin Trudeau and his relationship with Quebec, you can see this because kind of the ethno-nationalist elements in Quebec politics really struggle with his migration agenda.

02:55:54.160 So, there's, I would expect that there will be a fracture in this coalition. At the moment, that fracture is papered over by the mutual desire to take lots of money from Western Canada and dump it in Quebec.

02:56:13.440 that's it because that's another thing that i noticed over time because even when i was younger

02:56:18.940 they would talk about the haves and the have not provinces which was an official designation for

02:56:24.320 people who don't know and everyone would always say there's all this money flowing into quebec

02:56:27.960 what's what's going on with that and it this is you know sad to say the first time i'd really

02:56:34.880 heard anyone speak of the laurentian elite or this this core group now would you say

02:56:40.980 it's kind of the the legacy of the trudeaus or their other is this really like a a formed group

02:56:47.480 that you would say like you can yeah it's a very specific group of people um and they run a great

02:56:55.020 deal of of canadian business so one of the things you'll notice if you look at uh canadian non-bank

02:57:02.620 businesses you'll notice that a vast like a vast proportion of their revenues are directly or

02:57:10.800 indirectly subsidized by the government so if you look at a company like bombardier for example

02:57:15.560 there's no world in which bombardier is a viable business without government contracts and there's

02:57:23.320 no world in which they get government contracts on an equal basis so and and you'll see this with

02:57:30.280 The corruption scandals that have come out from the current Trudeau government, the many, many corruption scandals, they're all predicated on funneling federal money into this collection of businesses that have been around Canada for a very long time that are all run by this group of people that live in the Montreal-Ottawa corridor.

02:57:57.760 That's fascinating. I wonder if there's any overlap with them. And this is something we're going to cover on the show, which this interview will air on, with sort of the Chinese infiltration, not just of the West Coast, which everyone's familiar with, but really a good chunk of Canadian businesses right around the Ontario core as well.

02:58:19.120 And this might be too far afield of a question, but do you detect any sort of business relationship between the Laurentian elite and perhaps the CCP or Chinese elites?

02:58:34.240 I mean, there's an admiration there.

02:58:39.740 So the Laurentian elite have watched what the CCP has done in China and think that that's the right way to run a country.

02:58:49.120 So there's an admiration there at one level for sure. The CCP certainly like the Laurentian elite in that they're willing to finance them. So if you look at present Canadian politics, you'll notice that there are repeated scandals related to what is termed in the media as Chinese influence in Canadian politics.

02:59:13.340 In reality, they're talking about Chinese money supporting liberal politicians, basically.

02:59:21.040 And that's something we talked about on the last episode as well.

02:59:23.620 And we're going to develop a bit further.

02:59:25.180 The last episode was sort of the CCP infiltration.

02:59:28.560 This episode, it's more the CCP working hand in glove with the triads, the organized crime element.

02:59:35.900 And they're pretty much one in the same and how that dark money circulates.

02:59:39.500 But that one aspect we came across is when people talk about political infiltration, it's like, no, no, you have to understand, we're talking about MPs being elected. And that's really like, well, how does China start electing MPs? Well, that's where you get the real estate purchases. Like, it's not even that difficult to chart the course for how you get that.

02:59:57.660 Yeah, no, it's very unsubtle. One of the things that's interesting about Canadian politics is that a lot of the things that go on here also go on other places, but they're very naked here. The Laurentian elite, they're not careful about covering their tracks, which is why their corruption scandals are constantly in the news, even though the news is state-owned.

03:00:20.880 it's funny even um i think it was richard fadden the former head of cesus you know he comes out

03:00:28.040 and says look there's i know at least two mps that are bought and sold by the chinese communist

03:00:32.580 party and we got 200 at least 200 canadian companies that are owned by the chinese communist

03:00:37.480 party and then you know he gets called in front of the house of commutants called racist and it's

03:00:42.520 like so you and what you notice is also the whole and not to spend too much time on the china thing

03:00:48.440 But to your point, people are generally aware. You will hear liberal, even centrist newspapers mention like, yep, China owns half of Vancouver. And then everyone's like, yeah, what are we going to do about it? Everyone kind of knows. Everyone kind of does anything.

03:01:05.260 Well, that's the thing that's really interesting about Canadian politics. It's so naked, but there's nothing. Until very recently, there have been no mechanisms available to do anything about it.

03:01:18.320 And one thing we discussed on the show, and this is kind of an earlier point I said, where certain opportunities present themselves to Canadians.

03:01:27.600 I think what the trucker protest, the anti-COVID protest proved, I'm like, Canada wishes it was a bit more of a police state.

03:01:36.160 It just isn't because it lacks that infrastructure.

03:01:39.940 So there's a lot of things I bet they would love to do, but they just, they can't do it.

03:01:44.680 So emblematic of this is the attempt by the Ford government in Ontario to impose martial law during COVID lockdown.

03:01:55.860 So most people aren't aware of this, but the Ford government came out and announced publicly that they wanted to introduce checkpoints and like mandatory police stops for you to go anywhere.

03:02:07.160 And you basically have to show your justification for why you were leaving your house.

03:02:11.140 And the response from the Ontario Provincial Police was, we're not going to do that. And they couched it in, you know, that would be an inappropriate imposition into civil liberties. But if you just look at it, the actual reason they didn't do this is because they would need like 10 to 100 times the manpower that they actually have in order to put something credible up.

03:02:35.720 yeah and and that's one thing we were talking about at the time whereas if you look at what

03:02:40.500 they're saying they're trying to they would love to bring the hammer down on these people but

03:02:44.680 there's just two there's not enough it's almost like canada is like america during the american

03:02:49.620 revolution like they just don't have enough boots on the ground to stop these people now maybe that

03:02:53.460 changes maybe there but i i don't think it can because one thing we know about canadian

03:02:58.080 infrastructure is it's not getting any better with time what do you think about that well i mean the

03:03:03.660 real issue for them is they have no

03:03:05.720 significant military and no large

03:03:07.620 police force. Could they

03:03:09.620 get a significant military or a significant

03:03:11.820 police force? Maybe.

03:03:14.820 But those things

03:03:15.720 cost a lot of money, and

03:03:17.880 you're not going to do that overnight.

03:03:23.580 They've got a legal infrastructure for

03:03:25.760 a police state. They certainly have enough power

03:03:27.740 to come and bring the hammer down

03:03:29.780 on you individually, but

03:03:31.940 they have no i mean canada's been such a peaceful place for so long they have no infrastructure or

03:03:41.060 even sort of intellectual approach for how they think they might deal with unrest so like one of

03:03:50.780 the things i've gamed out repeatedly is what happens if uh you know the group of people who

03:03:56.040 control the western provinces in canada decide that they want out well that's kind of what's

03:04:00.860 happening right now too unless there was just an election held and i'm going to show my ass on this

03:04:05.660 one but i think there was just an election held in manitoba where the alberta alberta yeah they're

03:04:11.980 talking about sort of a western coalition against ottawa i think right yeah so uh this is something

03:04:19.120 i've tracked fairly carefully uh because i think it has profound implications for the the way the

03:04:25.700 country is governed so as i alluded to earlier the thing that keeps the peace in the uh laurentian

03:04:34.180 elite between the franco nationalists and the sort of progressives is the mutual desire to loot the

03:04:40.960 western canadian uh to loot the wealth of western canada and they do this to the tune of billions

03:04:48.360 of dollars every year. And they also impose these quite draconian structures to prevent

03:04:57.020 the Western Canadian elite from doing their business, which is oil, agriculture,

03:05:03.960 principally oil and agriculture, also some mining of various kinds. But what they've done is they've

03:05:10.100 used Environment Canada and the relationship with the Native American client groups to make it very

03:05:18.340 difficult for them to do their business and produce this money, which has produced

03:05:21.840 a lot of discontent among the Western Canadian elites.

03:05:28.500 Well, that's it. You mentioned the Aboriginals and the Native tribes there. Just to have a quick

03:05:33.320 tangent, their position in this entire matrix, would they be kind of working with or for the

03:05:40.960 Laurentian elite to propel their interests? They're client groups. So the best way to

03:05:45.820 understand native americans in as in turn in terms of their position in canadian politics

03:05:52.020 is there the canadian equivalent of like african americans yeah i think there's a lot of listeners

03:05:58.440 the show who will be nodding along to that but and a lot of people who have noticed when they see

03:06:03.440 aboriginal groups kind of forwarding their purposes they seem to be puppeted by something

03:06:08.740 else because a lot of the times it seems disjointed or even not in their interests

03:06:13.260 Well, because these people are paid like millions of dollars directly by the federal government

03:06:18.340 in order. And so there's a lot of leverage there.

03:06:22.320 I had one question. So everything you're saying makes complete sense, but to a lot of listeners,

03:06:28.240 it might seem counterintuitive that they're trying to loot the West, but also make these

03:06:34.500 impositions on how they do business and how they generate that money. Is there a lot of big

03:06:39.240 ideological tilt to them or is it just they're trying to make them suffer i i mean preventing

03:06:46.440 them from make from making their money is not is ideological looting them is not ideological

03:06:51.900 as far as i can tell so uh you know turn in progressive world agriculture and uh resource

03:07:00.120 extraction are bad and so we we can't let that happen uh but also we would like the money that

03:07:06.360 you generate from agriculture and from extractive industry. So these contradictions are the reasons

03:07:20.600 why the Laurentian elite is becoming less coherent and losing control.

03:07:28.380 And that's what I was going to ask, because a lot of people will be able to track the truth of this

03:07:34.140 by the simple fact that you see these people

03:07:36.580 doing these things.

03:07:37.440 But I was wondering,

03:07:38.460 and this might be too large of a question,

03:07:40.280 but do we know their long-term strategy?

03:07:43.300 It does seem to be coming less coherent

03:07:45.520 and the inertia of this entire group

03:07:48.500 seems to be flying apart.

03:07:49.320 Do you know if there's any sort of grand scheme

03:07:51.960 for this?

03:07:53.680 Well, I think the Laurentian elite

03:07:57.420 have some really serious problems.

03:08:00.620 I don't think that they have any idea

03:08:03.820 of how they're going to solve them.

03:08:06.260 Like Trudeau, it's like you look at him

03:08:08.060 and you're like,

03:08:08.800 he doesn't really make a lot of sense.

03:08:10.920 And that's why one of the largest arguments

03:08:12.920 I had in favor of this group existing,

03:08:15.360 which is like, you have to explain to me

03:08:16.540 how Justin Trudeau gets there

03:08:18.080 because no one really likes him.

03:08:19.960 Even liberals don't like him that much.

03:08:22.260 He's this weird,

03:08:23.780 he's an oddity on the global stage,

03:08:25.880 but also in Canadian politics.

03:08:27.900 But I'm like, someone's got to explain

03:08:29.460 why he's there,

03:08:30.040 if not the machinations of some other group.

03:08:33.820 Well, I mean, I can't do this because of my position, but I can, like, it's straightforward to draw a line between Justin Trudeau and the people who put him at the head of the Federal Liberal Party.

03:08:49.860 You might remember that the federal Liberal Party during the period of conservative reign under Stephen Harper desperately struggled to find a leader that could put the Liberal Party coalition together and unseat the hated Westerners.

03:09:05.620 The Conservative Party in Canada, for those who don't know, is the political embodiment of the Western Canadian elite.

03:09:12.480 Okay. That's a better way to frame it. I've never heard it framed that way.

03:09:16.640 So I've always only heard it expressed ideologically, but not geographically.

03:09:22.920 So the conservatives are Westerns.

03:09:25.680 All Canadian politics is geographic.

03:09:27.760 All the ideological elements are just kind of impositions on top.

03:09:32.000 So you might notice that when Stephen Harper was in charge of Canada, absolutely nothing

03:09:37.400 happened that was ideologically conservative.

03:09:40.300 But many things happened that benefited Western Canada.

03:09:44.060 Interesting.

03:09:44.700 Interesting. So we have the Western and we have the Central. Would the Maritimes and the Eastern

03:09:49.380 really have no seat at the table then, would you say?

03:09:51.580 Yeah. Neither BC nor the Maritimes have a seat at the table in Canadian politics.

03:09:56.460 And then the North might as well just be barbaric.

03:09:59.160 Well, nobody lives there.

03:10:02.080 Yeah. That's interesting. So really the best way to frame Canadian politics is East versus West

03:10:07.140 with the current Laurentian elite in charge. Is there, in your mind, perhaps a Western

03:10:12.540 counterbalance elite that exists right now? Yeah, so there's a Western elite that exists

03:10:18.120 that draws its power from the money that it's able to generate from resource extraction and

03:10:25.700 from agricultural industries. These are the people who finance the truck convoy.

03:10:32.800 They use the truck convoy to decapitate the leadership of the political parties that they

03:10:37.140 control uh the three conservative parties in the western provinces and the conservative party of

03:10:43.160 canada all of which happened almost immediately when the truck convoy existed uh you you can see

03:10:49.020 their political action uh in the um their political battle with the laurentian elite

03:10:55.180 in the kind of uh struggle uh to build pipelines uh you know very clearly so yeah and you can see

03:11:04.060 their political embodiment right now in uh the manitoba first act the alberta sovereignty act

03:11:11.020 which are all very explicit messages to ottawa indicating that the status quo is unacceptable

03:11:20.780 and so from from my point of view either the laurentian elite are going to either they're

03:11:30.880 The Western elite are going to be shut out of power in Ottawa, in which case they'll have to resolve their grievances through separatist politics, or you're going to see Trudeau go down and you're going to see a containment cycle in Canadian politics.

03:11:52.960 One of the two is going to happen.

03:11:54.320 And I know this is too much speculation and perhaps a hypothetical we don't want to go down, but which of those two do you think is more likely? To my mind, maybe I'm way off on this, but I detect some fatigue with Trudeau. I'm not sure he even has the same internal support as he once had. And A, do you think that's true? Or do you see the liberals still maintaining their power and then maybe we do go to separatist politics?

03:12:24.320 I do detect some fatigue with him.

03:12:27.840 It's hard to say because I'm not strongly connected with the coalition that puts, that kind of put him in power.

03:12:37.940 At least I'm less strongly connected to it than I would have been five years ago, just interpersonally.

03:12:44.740 um so it's because it's not the case that general sentiment in the areas where people like you and i

03:12:55.260 tend to live and spend our time has any connection to the probability of justin trudeau being

03:13:01.440 re-elected yeah i i mean the the writing in which i presently reside will probably go from voting

03:13:08.460 70 for for the conservative party to voting like 85 for the conservative party yeah but

03:13:14.260 Over the past few years, I've seen a lot more anti-Trudeau sentiment and we've remarked on the show, you know, it's very often on our side, we complain about people complaining about the wrong thing. So we might say, okay, you're anti-Trudeau, but are you anti-liberal policy? You know, that typical shit. But to your point, I am noticing a lot more open hostility towards Trudeau. You're seeing more bumper stickers. You're seeing people who were never politically active being more outspoken against him.

03:13:43.120 And so I think that translates to something.

03:13:46.940 Yeah, I mean, it certainly translates to something.

03:13:51.220 I don't know whether it translates to electoral politics or not.

03:13:55.280 I mean, at the moment, it translates to like every day.

03:13:59.360 If you drive through the streets of 905, you'll see people like waving giant, you know, F Trudeau flags everywhere, which is a sentiment I broadly agree with.

03:14:11.320 but I'm not sure what political value that really has.

03:14:15.860 Yeah, on our show, we've staked a very far line

03:14:19.020 of like people aren't radical enough.

03:14:20.620 I won't repeat some of the stuff we've thought before,

03:14:22.620 but, you know, the trucker protest,

03:14:24.700 you know, we're like, you had a good thing,

03:14:26.480 you should have kept going.

03:14:28.020 But, you know, what I was going to say was,

03:14:31.780 where in your opinion does the People's Party of Canada

03:14:37.220 fall in all of this?

03:14:38.140 Do you think that's just an unimportant flashpoint, or do you think that's representative of

03:14:45.780 something else?

03:14:47.160 So they represent the last people who believe in ideological politics in Canada, right?

03:14:54.720 So Bernier actually believes that Canada should be governed better than it does, than it is.

03:15:02.980 He doesn't believe in one region or another or represent a particular interest group.

03:15:07.580 He believes Canada should be well-governed. He's probably the only person in Canadian politics who thinks that it's important that Canada is well-governed, which is a credit to him personally, but the place that it has in politics is that it may compel the nominally conservative party to govern with some more nods towards actual conservatism.

03:15:38.260 That's what we were talking about, that you have these, I don't want to call them fringe parties, but more ideologically driven parties tend to be absorbed over time into the main sort of regional ones.

03:15:50.540 So I'm like, you know, you very well may see conservatives take more of an anti-COVID approach, maybe take something approaching identity politics.

03:15:59.780 But I'm like, well, that'll take the wind out of the sails out of the PPC.

03:16:02.560 you know i i will say for the record i was an early early early advocate of the ppc i was like

03:16:08.380 one of the first guys yeah i'd be joined they're they're they're a great like if you're a canadian

03:16:15.440 with actual conservative values uh it it's a great thing that the ppc exists uh because it will

03:16:22.120 compel uh the conservative party to at least pretend to be conservative for a few minutes

03:16:27.820 let me let me ask you this um and i'm throwing too much political stuff at you but i am but if i

03:16:33.820 if i just take a step back here i'm actually not all that interested in uh ideological politics

03:16:41.220 in canada i i think that the country needs to be fundamentally restructured before anything

03:16:46.220 in order to avoid uh living in this kind of um

03:16:53.600 I think the country needs to fundamentally be restructured before good governance is again

03:17:00.740 possible. Now by restructuring, do we mean sort of a demarcation between East and West or

03:17:05.700 how would you kind of reshape it in that sense? Well, I think the best hope for getting that

03:17:11.400 outcome is for the system of transfer payments from West to Quebec that keeps the Laurentian

03:17:20.020 elite together to break down and that can break down either via western separatism or it can break

03:17:26.340 down through the excesses of environmentalism because either you'll have the west leave and

03:17:33.140 then you can't loot their money anymore which means that quebec will leave or you can so strangle

03:17:39.140 the sources of revenue at west that there isn't enough money to be extracted in the looting

03:17:44.980 operation to convince the Franco-nationalists that they belong with the rest of the country.

03:17:54.120 You know, it's amusing. I was about to refer to them as the welfare elite, but then I started

03:17:58.600 thinking, well, that is traditionally what the aristocracy and the elite were. It's kind of a

03:18:04.040 modern phenomenon where you have this independently wealthy capitalist elite. But, you know, they're

03:18:10.940 a traditional sort of aristocracy. Yeah, they are completely 100% dependent on the revenues from

03:18:17.020 the people and these other companies. That's right. They're rent seeking. And

03:18:21.100 at least in exchange for their rent, they actively pursue the interests of the people

03:18:26.760 that they're supposed to be connected to. So in that way, I admire the French Canadian elite.

03:18:32.320 So in a sense, we should be very interested in sort of this Western, if not total separatism,

03:18:37.780 but the separatist movement and sort of that the increase of that Western sovereignty,

03:18:43.180 because I think a lot of people are looking at how do we enact any sort of change in Ottawa,

03:18:49.000 change in the ideological policy of Canada? Because, you know, for the Americans or the

03:18:53.300 Europeans, we have a lot of European listeners like it's very tough to describe what's like

03:18:57.660 living in Canada. It feels insane. And a lot of dissident minded people are at a loss for what

03:19:04.940 to do or why things are happening or how this all fits together. And so I think if they were

03:19:10.200 looking for like a mid to short term solution, they should be looking at this perhaps from a

03:19:15.380 geographic perspective and taking more of an interest in this Western sovereignty. Would that

03:19:20.600 be good to say? Yeah, I mean, I think there's kind of two things that you should be doing if

03:19:28.660 you're a Canadian who isn't captured by the progressive mind virus. One is that you should

03:19:36.180 be doing whatever it is that it's in your power to do to make sure that this conveyor belt of

03:19:44.200 money that supports the present regime breaks down. And the second is you should be figuring

03:19:49.340 out how you're going to survive the next 20, 30 years as a family. Do you have any suggestions

03:19:57.220 for that? Because some people will hear that and they'll think, oh, homesteading. Some people

03:20:00.980 will think more community building. Are there any areas that, I know this is something the

03:20:04.600 Beowulf Foundation is very concerned with, but do you have any suggestions for Canadians?

03:20:09.480 Yeah, I think the key element here is retribalization. So you're going to have an

03:20:15.980 increasingly hostile system coming out of the central government. As they gradually lose

03:20:26.240 control of the country um it's going to they're going to be more and more rent seeking they're

03:20:33.640 going to be more and more aggressive at punishing their their political enemies uh you should

03:20:38.220 basically think about how mennonites live and want to live like that right so live live in

03:20:47.020 communities that can as much as possible ignore the central government you know there's an

03:20:52.760 interesting phenomenon in Canada where when I think of great American cities, not even like

03:20:59.020 the centers of capital like New York, but even like a New Orleans or something, I tend to think

03:21:03.780 of these cities, these urban areas as generative from a people. But oftentimes when I think of

03:21:09.380 Canadian cities, I can only view them as either centers of capital or centers of bureaucracy.

03:21:15.140 And there's very few Canadian urban areas that have that power of the people or that folk spirit,

03:21:22.060 whatever you want to call it. And the reason I say this is because, you know, a lot of people

03:21:26.940 will say we should not abandon urban centers, because that's cultural hubs. But is it different

03:21:33.000 in Canada? Like, do you get the sense that Canadian, the few Canadian cities are just there

03:21:37.180 for like bureaucracy and trade? Well, I mean, first of all, they're, they're overwhelmingly

03:21:41.460 not inhabited by Canadians, except for the Western ones. So that's, I mean, Montreal and Quebec are,

03:21:49.240 are franco cities if i was a franco i might feel differently yeah montreal i should say

03:21:54.960 and quebec city are probably i was there last year and i would say they're the exceptions

03:21:58.780 um i i was born and raised in toronto uh i have i'm deeply connected in that city

03:22:04.840 um but the point i'm trying to make is not about fleeing to the countryside

03:22:11.040 side specifically it's about creating a kind of community that allows so that allows you to operate

03:22:20.220 uh without reference to the central government because increasingly it's going to become more

03:22:27.400 and more difficult to uh obtain positions inside the kind of so you're not going to be able to get

03:22:36.260 patronage appointments because you're a disfavored group, you're going to have to own your businesses

03:22:45.160 and you're going to have to educate your own children without reference to the broader

03:22:54.340 education system. So how do you do that? Well, in individual families not capable of doing

03:23:00.700 either of those two things effectively you're going to need a self-contained community

03:23:06.760 where there's ideological conformity and there's friend-enemy distinction against outsiders

03:23:13.160 and so that when i say you're going to have to behave like the mennonites it's not the tide of

03:23:19.080 land that i'm talking about it's the friend-enemy distinction surrounding your community and it's

03:23:25.540 the assumption of responsibility for your own economic well-being as a community and

03:23:35.400 for your own children. And also another example that people might forget is that aside from

03:23:41.320 Mennonites, look at what every other community does in Canada. Look at the Chinese community.

03:23:47.540 There's a sort of an internal consistency. We talked about this on the last episode.

03:23:51.920 um to there's an internal consistency towards chinese immigrants who come from mainland china

03:23:58.200 that is completely alien to a lot of canadians to the point where um i won't get too much into it

03:24:04.160 but the way chinese society functions it's more intro there are there are very hard prohibitions

03:24:11.240 against things like intermarriage and doing business with outsiders you're highly encouraged

03:24:15.360 to speak the language you're highly encouraged to conform to the to the customs they have

03:24:20.920 apparently police stations where they enforce their law absolutely and they also have their

03:24:25.160 own clubs because uh one of the things about mainland china is they have this thing called

03:24:28.880 the old 100 names that a lot of chinese families operate as if they are corporations already they're

03:24:35.140 kind of doing because they chinese people are actually interesting to look at about how so

03:24:40.140 many of them can exist apart from the communist government and have their own parallel societies

03:24:45.700 To the point where if you are a Chinese mainland immigrant and you step off the plane in Canada, you can actually find a club with your family name on it.

03:24:56.200 Just walk in there and you've got there's like 20 guys giving you connections, giving you a place to look like you can walk into a prefab, you know, immigration thing.

03:25:05.740 Whereas like the experience for a lot of Anglos is I step off the plane in the country.

03:25:09.720 I'm immediately lost.

03:25:11.160 That's not their experience.

03:25:12.700 And not only am I immediately lost, every institution that I might think to look at is actually actively hostile to me.

03:25:20.160 Exactly. And so a lot of identitarian types will look around and say, we just want to do what the Sikhs are doing.

03:25:28.040 And it's like, well, what's interesting about Canada, and this is to your point of retribalization, I think there is an opportunity for that.

03:25:34.660 And I think, like we had said, aside from Canada being sort of a Five Eyes member nation, I think Canada's placement in the Five Eyes spy infrastructure is kind of compromised at the moment from the reading we've been doing.

03:25:48.240 Well, it's also historic, right? So it's there from a time when Canada was a very different place than it is today. And if you look at Canada's relationship with the Five Eyes, it's very clear that the Canadian government is not seen as an equal among that group.

03:26:07.200 Like last episode, and actually this episode we're going to be talking about, especially in the 90s and the 80s, everyone was aware that Canada was infiltrated by the CCP and there's all these controversies where Canada got caught leaking data and refuses to do anything about it.

03:26:24.300 So they're like, well, if I were America, I would say like, we're going to trust you less and you're kind of in name only aside from maybe some tech development.

03:26:34.340 But Canada has had a bad history of having these sort of government-run corporations like we've been talking about, but then that developed technology for the government that they sell to China.

03:26:49.840 It's like, what the fuck are you doing?

03:26:51.980 Yeah, yeah.

03:26:53.240 Well, anyways, but I mean, you can also see these tribal networks forming in Canada, not just among migrant groups.

03:27:03.200 So, like, you can see very strong, there's a very strong Dutch reform identity that's quite coherent in Ontario. If you go out west, there are a variety of these different communities. That's how you survive in the period that we're in now.

03:27:23.440 you take less interest in mainstream society except as an extractive process and you take

03:27:31.760 more interest in your own community now i know we have to get going soon um and this has been

03:27:37.120 a fantastic talk now one question i wanted to end on um having said that have speak of

03:27:43.400 retribalization sort of these dutch communities maybe different ethnicities would you say that

03:27:49.200 because we're speaking of the Red Ensign and Canadian history, that perhaps a British

03:27:54.940 identity should have primacy in this sort of parallel society? Or what do you think about that?

03:28:02.840 So I think it's very unclear. So I think the Anglo-Canadian identity should exist as basically

03:28:12.380 an expatriate identity, an identity for people who once had a state and no longer have a state.

03:28:19.200 um and i think we should i think that there should be networks for these people

03:28:24.820 um you know in the in the coming years at present these things don't exist

03:28:31.220 um at present and so the question is can they be built and the red ensign and similar projects

03:28:40.220 exist to see if it can be done because if it can't be done then the anglo element

03:28:46.280 so if i look at myself personally uh i'm a reformed christian first i'm not a in anglo

03:28:55.400 i'm an anglo after that uh but i i'd like to preserve all of my culture not just some of it

03:29:01.320 if i can so uh it it's worth the time and effort to see what can be done uh in an environment uh

03:29:11.640 which, you know, you would think would drive enough of these people out of the institutions

03:29:16.680 to make it possible to kind of, to build something. I think that's the correct way to go about it.

03:29:22.440 Because one thing, again, this is something we talked about on the Vanguardist Journal, but

03:29:26.200 on the show as well, it's like, if you want to talk about identity politics at this level,

03:29:31.880 it's important to actually know who you are. And like, for example, with the British identity,

03:29:38.420 which I believe is crucial to the Canadian identity,

03:29:42.380 people will talk every day about destroying liberalism,

03:29:45.320 destroying a lot of stuff.

03:29:46.440 Once you trace the history of liberalism

03:29:48.460 and what the foundations of that are,

03:29:51.660 it goes very, very deep into British identity.

03:29:54.280 So you have to ask, okay, are we,

03:29:57.040 it seems that if you're anti all of liberalism,

03:30:00.940 you would have to completely collapse society.

03:30:04.140 Or are you using liberalism to mean something?

03:30:07.100 I also think you have to take ownership for the mistakes of your ancestors.

03:30:11.420 Exactly.

03:30:11.700 I mean, Canadians didn't get into this position because we did everything right.

03:30:17.640 Well, precisely.

03:30:18.320 And that's the thing.

03:30:18.900 It's like this is the culmination of that.

03:30:21.040 So what did we learn?

03:30:22.520 Yeah.

03:30:23.080 And the line I had said was like those who can dismantle or course correct or whatever

03:30:29.500 liberalism are only the ones who have passed through it.

03:30:32.900 Yeah.

03:30:33.120 so i think those the essentially the creators of liberalism are probably the only ones equipped

03:30:38.640 to dismantle it because liberalism the reason it exports so well to non-liberal places is because

03:30:45.500 they they don't have the fucking tools that's why what people talk about oh the we're exporting

03:30:50.560 homosexuality yeah it's actually really easy to do because they don't have the intellectual or

03:30:55.160 ideological ways to withstand it maybe the only people who can are the people who have

03:31:00.120 real insight on it like like canadians maybe yeah i mean it's a similar phenomenon to to the fact

03:31:06.880 that it's very hard to sell communism in eastern europe like uh all of the people who were who were

03:31:14.260 true believers in in the liberal project who are elements of the anglosphere will all be dead in

03:31:20.880 the next 50 years none of them are having any children their families are being destroyed

03:31:25.840 um it's only the people who have the the antibodies to this thing who are going to

03:31:31.280 make it through that bottleneck in the anglo world yeah and there's been people on our side

03:31:35.840 who have mentioned that a few of the science minded guys i know edward dutton talks about

03:31:39.360 this about like there is the sheer biological angle to this where it's like look this ideology

03:31:45.800 does not reproduce itself or it can only reproduce virally it can't actually replicate itself like

03:31:51.900 we can replicate ourselves biologically and it's like that's uh you know that that's a bottleneck

03:31:57.380 they can't pass through you know yeah well i mean i i think there's we're at a period here where

03:32:04.180 where there's a very very intense biological bottleneck that we're we're all you know facing

03:32:12.300 down and it's unclear what all of the elements of that bottleneck are going to be but certainly

03:32:18.120 not having children. That's going to be a problem. And I think it's going to hit Canada before

03:32:23.620 America, because I think there's a day of reckoning where a lot of the, you can't sweeten the pot

03:32:29.720 enough for most of the immigrants to realize that, well, Canada's too expensive and it's too

03:32:33.360 inhospitable. So you'll maybe one day just be left, not with immigrants pumping in money, but

03:32:39.100 the old stock people who are having families and the old stock people who aren't.

03:32:43.460 Yeah. Well, and the other issue is if the economy gets tough in Canada, the migrants will just leave.

03:32:54.060 Yeah. And that's what we're experiencing now.

03:32:56.840 Of course they will. Of course they will, right? Why would they not? And if you read articles about migration in Canada, even when recruiting a million people a year to come here,

03:33:06.620 uh there's enough back migration with people who come here and realize that it sucks that the uh

03:33:12.940 that the net effect is is quite a bit less than it has been in previous years yeah so there's

03:33:18.180 enough people still wearing puffer jackets in the summer they're just permanently uncomfortable i

03:33:24.120 know it like i'm i'm adapted to this temperature i think it's too fucking hot right now you know

03:33:29.280 but there everyone's fucking freezing all the time i love it i guess what i love mosquitoes i love

03:33:34.440 the bull that's how you know you're canadians like i like the bullshit about this country

03:33:38.060 this is not like this is the other thing people who live outside of canada don't appreciate

03:33:42.560 it's not just that it's cold all the other seasons suck too yeah there's no good how about

03:33:48.180 there's no good season how about every you're not canadian unless you're complaining about the

03:33:52.760 weather and that's good there's winter there's black fly season uh you know there's a couple

03:33:58.180 of really nice weeks in july yeah and then then then it's like what's wrong with fall in this

03:34:04.040 country well it's rainy all the time and it's dark yeah it's a lot like britain minus that like nice

03:34:11.260 you know jet stream that kind of brings in it's it just kind of sucks and then it's and there's

03:34:16.760 weeds but you know what i like it i wouldn't be anywhere else i wouldn't my mind wouldn't work

03:34:21.360 anywhere else that's right i this is my this is my home god read god you know uh despite all of

03:34:29.920 these things um but uh it's not theirs and if if if especially as things there's a a vast number

03:34:40.400 of migrants to canada that come from the indian subcontinent and things are a lot better economically

03:34:45.740 there than they were in say the 80s so you know there's going to be a lot of pressure to just go

03:34:52.440 back well it's like i was um whenever you look at like people living in afghanistan you know

03:34:58.260 these tribal people i'm like you're never gonna love anything as much as these motherfuckers love

03:35:02.900 sand they love sand they get sand i don't get sand it's confusing to me it's bothersome but

03:35:09.460 they're at peace with it and like like me with snow i get snow yeah i don't i don't have a

03:35:16.960 snowblower i move it by hand yeah how about i don't move it how about i leave it as is where

03:35:22.900 it belongs and drive over top yeah and if i can't do it then i guess i'm not going anywhere today

03:35:28.520 i guess we're we're eating eating stuff yeah well i was explaining to uh to uh radlib who i i podcast

03:35:36.620 with pretty regularly that there's a a line in canada when you go north above which people just

03:35:42.620 don't shovel snow yeah it just they just drink they just like that's the way because the snow

03:35:48.700 camp you shovel it's almost too cold yeah anyway we got to get going now i got a crying baby in

03:35:54.100 the background here all right i don't know if anyone could hear but i want to let people know

03:35:57.980 once again check out uh the red ensign that's the red ensign.substack.com uh there's a bunch

03:36:05.560 articles on there about canadian history that i'm a big fan of and also be sure to check out

03:36:09.840 the beowulf foundation beowulf.foundation is the site where you can get access to

03:36:15.520 the shielding stuff. It's a nice portal

03:36:18.140 for everything. You can learn more about it.

03:36:20.480 And was there anything else that you were involved in

03:36:22.040 that I might have missed?

03:36:23.900 No, if you follow my Twitter, you'll find

03:36:25.760 all the stuff I'm involved in.

03:36:28.040 Yes, and so the Black Horse. Let me just make sure

03:36:29.940 I got the right at here.

03:36:32.180 Yeah, that's at the Black Horse

03:36:34.100 65 is where you can find all that

03:36:36.100 information. That's right.

03:36:37.880 We follow each other. We're good friends. Go be his friend

03:36:40.120 too.

03:36:41.740 Alright, thank you once again very much

03:36:44.100 for taking the time.

03:36:45.260 I actually learned

03:36:45.700 quite a bit today.

03:36:46.280 I didn't know most

03:36:47.140 of what you had said.

03:36:47.960 I found this very,

03:36:48.820 very illuminating.

03:36:49.500 Thank you again.

03:36:50.740 Okay.

03:36:51.280 Bye.

03:36:51.600 Bye.

03:36:52.860 Hey, baby,

03:36:53.620 I hear the blues

03:36:54.440 are calling

03:36:54.920 tossed salads

03:36:55.900 and scrambled eggs.

03:36:59.840 And maybe I seem

03:37:01.140 a bit confused.

03:37:02.780 Yeah, maybe.

03:37:03.580 But I got you pegged.

03:37:05.140 Ha, ha, ha, ha.

03:37:07.120 But I don't know

03:37:08.180 what to do

03:37:08.840 with those tossed salads

03:37:09.900 and scrambled eggs.

Blood Satellite - June 03, 2023

The Papal Foreign Legion Sings Oorah Maria [＂if you have studied german castles and the dude status＂]

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