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00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.700 blood satellite so i'm looking at a headline right now and i was just browsing around looking

00:00:23.680 through this and i had to confirm that this headline was real um and you would have seen

00:00:29.960 this but i'm just going to read the headline that's published on usa today and this is about

00:00:35.080 uh joe biden's recent state of the union address here's what the headline is dark brandon shows up

00:00:42.680 at the state of the union mops the floor with lost republicans now you kind of like to see that 0.80

00:00:51.440 because every time one of our retarded on purpose memes 0.87

00:00:55.720 makes it to the mainstream, 0.85

00:00:58.440 makes it to the big show, you know, I like it.

00:01:02.440 But I also, what does this mean?

00:01:03.940 What does it mean that people are just saying dark Brandon now? 0.60

00:01:08.580 And like, I looked this up to make sure it's real.

00:01:11.140 This is a real article.

00:01:12.240 It wasn't just one of the edits designed to trick ourselves.

00:01:16.400 Yeah, I have no idea.

00:01:18.540 I have no, I did see that.

00:01:20.220 And all I can imagine is like the Zoomer that they now pay to write these articles doesn't actually know.

00:01:28.120 Actually, the first thing that comes to mind is what you were just saying off mic a second ago about like a crisis driving out good people.

00:01:36.680 Like, oh, I mean, the quality of the reporting has really gone down.

00:01:39.800 They really do have a bunch of like popped up Zoomers writing articles at these fucking these big institutional journals now.

00:01:45.900 THE INTERNET HAS TAKEN NOTICE, AND NOW THERE'S A NEW MEME OUT 0.98

00:01:50.440 THERE KNOWN AS DARK BRANDON, WHICH SHOWS A BAD-ASS BIDEN

00:01:55.680 WITH SUPERVILLAIN LASERBEAM EYEBALLS.

00:02:00.380 IT'S FUN, IT'S SPOOKY, AND IT'S A COOL ADDITION TO HIS OTHER

00:02:05.220 SUPERPOWER, THE ABILITY TO SLOW TIME WHILE TELLING A STORY ABOUT

00:02:09.360 THE FIRE AT THE OLD SCRANTON TAFFY FACTORY. 1.00

00:02:11.660 KILL YOURSELF! 1.00

00:02:15.900 fuck yeah it makes you think um because everyone knows that journalism sucks you know i'm not 1.00

00:02:22.660 you know telling any tales out of school about that but sometimes it's you know maybe i'm wasting 0.99

00:02:28.880 my time doing this but i always wonder whether or not it's on purpose or through ignorance

00:02:32.780 and that's going to be kind of the theme of the first bit of this show i think it's going to be

00:02:37.800 revisiting stories that are a couple weeks old and what the people at home might be thinking is that

00:02:45.520 You're doing this because you're lazy and you're bad at your job.

00:02:49.000 That's not why I'm doing this. 0.85

00:02:50.580 I'm doing this because it's on purpose.

00:02:52.060 It's one of my schemes that I'm known for.

00:02:55.600 But a couple of stories that are a couple of years old, so they've had a little while

00:02:58.980 to percolate and they've had a little while to develop.

00:03:02.660 And one thing that a conclusion that I've come to is that and I think a lot of people

00:03:07.640 will agree with this, but I'd never heard it said before that I don't think the human

00:03:11.900 mind is set up to deal with developing stories and that's just how the human mind works so this

00:03:20.700 why that matters is because the birth of the 24-hour news cycle has created a new problem

00:03:27.040 where all we have is developing stories all we have is updates and updates and updates sometimes

00:03:32.520 these take place over the course of a month for big stories especially but a 24-hour news cycle

00:03:39.060 and the dependence of journalists of getting whatever you can out right away the moment it 0.99

00:03:45.320 happens just fucking proofread it take a shit and press post you know what i mean um but i'm like 0.98

00:03:52.900 you know that sort of paradigm that system is is the worst thing imaginable because people will 0.98

00:03:59.260 what they'll do is they'll hear a story that sounds complete and they don't like having to

00:04:03.560 revise it no one likes having to settle on a story then learn later they need to correct a

00:04:08.540 bunch of stuff which is and newspapers have always hated doing this they will fight printing any

00:04:13.080 retraction or any correction at all but when they do you know and sometimes it's two or three

00:04:20.660 corrections and so people they never update the story they always end up whatever the sloppiest

00:04:26.700 first version of it is and i think you know like the journalists traditionally had one job the

00:04:33.420 journalists who are good at their job which is give people that one story with the knowledge that

00:04:38.180 they need that story and it's in whatever the most perfect first form is and it might not be perfect

00:04:44.240 but it'll be at as close as you can get these aren't even trying to be perfect or anywhere

00:04:48.500 close to it and so journalists are actually i used to think they were just bad at their job

00:04:53.400 and i'm not saying it's on purpose or it's a conspiracy but if it was a conspiracy it would

00:04:59.140 be a very effective one because this is almost a a bespoke model engineered to confuse and enrage

00:05:07.360 and make people stupider and that might sound like a boomer point but you know so i'll give

00:05:12.340 you one example the example is there is this story published by project veritas um this was 0.95

00:05:21.340 a big one that a lot of people were talking about so um i don't know if you saw this this would have 0.93

00:05:25.940 been like a week or two ago it was the gay nigger yes with the gay i love that one that's one of 0.97

00:05:32.620 one of my favorites it's making the rounds on social media it's been seen millions and millions 0.98

00:05:37.020 of times it comes from conservative watchdog group project veritas so you already know

00:05:42.060 there is a lot of controversy and opinion surrounding it it's an undercover video

00:05:47.100 a man introduced as a top pfizer executive says there are concerns raised regarding the

00:05:51.820 covid19 vaccine and its effects on women's reproductive health our kelly beason has the story

00:05:58.460 That is alleged Pfizer executive Jordan Tristan Walker,

00:06:06.020 apparently socializing and getting candid about the company's COVID vaccine.

00:06:11.360 Seemingly unaware he's being recorded,

00:06:14.140 he says Pfizer's monitoring the long-term effects of the vaccine.

00:06:18.480 So there hasn't been any problems so far.

00:06:22.120 We'll see.

00:06:23.280 In that several years, if anything goes up, I'm hoping it won't.

00:06:26.440 It's been more than 48 hours since Project Veritas published undercover videos of a Pfizer executive talking about his company's secret plan to mutate coronaviruses, make them much more dangerous on purpose.

00:06:49.940 The company apparently calls this directed evolution instead of gain-of-function research,

00:06:54.780 but it seems very much like the same thing.

00:06:58.220 Pfizer has still refused to comment on this in any way.

00:07:01.700 By the way, the executive also revealed that they don't need to worry about regulators in Washington

00:07:05.340 since Pfizer effectively owns all the regulators.

00:07:08.780 Oh, my God.

00:07:10.040 You're on video. You're on video.

00:07:12.160 Pfizer ultimately is thinking about mutating the COVID virus.

00:07:15.620 What is going on here?

00:07:16.440 I need to call the police right now.

00:07:18.440 I don't know what's going on either. This is ridiculous. 0.96

00:07:23.760 So you're on video. I'm a journalist. 0.97

00:07:26.800 Bro, first of all, I'm literally a liar.

00:07:29.920 He's on video. You're saying we're exploring how the virus keeps mutating.

00:07:34.780 One of the things we're exploring is, why don't we mutate the virus?

00:07:40.660 When I heard people describe what the video was, they didn't do it justice.

00:07:46.380 anyone describing what happens in this video will not do justice you need to see it you need to see

00:07:51.700 this guy lose his mind when he's confronted by um who's the guy who runs project veritas 0.88

00:07:58.500 i fucking forget his name he's like anyway i'll get pissed i'll get pissed on for that later patio 0.99

00:08:03.100 furniture patio furniture perfect but once he's confronted like this guy has a fucking meltdown 0.99

00:08:11.940 And it's, it's the, remember what I said before, like on our last episode, where if you kill your kids and then jump out the window, that's kind of an admission of guilt. 0.97

00:08:21.740 So if you have a huge meltdown when confronted and saying you were just lying, but then also you're like slitting your wrists and jumping up and down on a table floor, that's also admitting guilt.

00:08:32.700 So, so I'm just going to read you a headline.

00:08:35.200 so the video comes out what the video shows is this individual who claims to work for Pfizer

00:08:40.980 and does work for Pfizer which is what we'll see but he's he's talking about the Pfizer vaccine

00:08:47.040 the COVID vaccine and about all the problems that they're seeing he's even admitting that it's

00:08:51.100 affecting women's fertility there's all kinds of shit they've they've lost control of the mutations 0.67

00:08:57.000 of this thing almost verifying and vindicating everyone has been saying this stuff for the 0.97

00:09:03.100 longest time and why do people say this stuff well because they did the research anyway but he's on

00:09:08.300 camera admitting to this and then later on you know he he claims when he's confronted he was lying 0.88

00:09:13.340 because he was on a date he was a gay man on a gay date um in pursuit of gay sex which is what 1.00

00:09:21.080 these people like to do yeah do you know that 100 of gay men are responsible for gay sex it's wild 0.99

00:09:29.080 i mean i i couldn't believe it when i first read that statistic but i mean no one wants to talk 0.99

00:09:33.780 about this yeah you'll lose your job if you bring this up in the office i tried to tell my uh 0.98

00:09:39.600 supervisor today about this gay sex thing and she told me to get out of her office 0.99

00:09:45.560 and then i thought oh she doesn't know what i mean by gay sex so i start talking like here's 0.99

00:09:52.300 here's what these people do yeah you start drawing a diagram of like the aids virus on her whiteboard 0.95

00:09:57.940 and i i know there's a couple gay guys in the office so i say page them in here and she said 1.00

00:10:02.880 we don't have that functionality in the office so i call her a stupid cunt because like that is 1.00

00:10:07.760 admit that look maybe but that is a cunt thing to say to someone in your office 1.00

00:10:15.380 you know for the middle east she would have given me tea yeah exactly i took off my fucking shoes 0.99

00:10:21.380 she didn't like that by the way yeah did you think this was a middle eastern conference room 0.99

00:10:28.740 as you start to raise your voice you take off your shoe and raise it in the air

00:10:32.520 threateningly i treat people with the respect i think they're given and i think the middle

00:10:36.940 easterners the arabs have a lot of good ideas 1.00

00:10:39.920 like throwing shoes at guys is a thing i'd like us to throw more shoes around here

00:10:48.460 that seemed like a cool thing to do because it's a nice in-between because i think as as white men

00:10:53.800 we don't have a good in-between we go you know seething rage and then it's right to shooting 0.91

00:11:00.580 right or right to stabbing or constructing a nuclear device in your garage

00:11:18.460 but like if we had a couple intermediary steps between you know just being peeved and terrorism

00:11:25.540 throwing a shoe is we we would throw way more shoes oh yeah then above that's the knockout

00:11:32.920 game i'm not i'm not saying the knockout game's good i'm saying white people haven't tried it

00:11:36.360 maybe there's certain things that black people do that white people kind of like once we try

00:11:42.240 them out right uh air jordans it's a lovely shoe can't recommend it enough i think that's like a 0.56

00:11:50.480 black convention have you actually worn it i've worn air jordans really okay you know honestly

00:11:56.620 they look comfortable my problem with them is i think they're ugly like i would not wear it from 0.86

00:12:00.540 a style standpoint but damn it does look like it's designed as like a comforting a foot comforting 0.56

00:12:06.120 device i'm gonna step outside of my bit for a second and say i've got into sneakers like last 0.95

00:12:11.140 year oh i know and i unironically have watched you do that and i think i think to some extent i

00:12:19.120 might have done the same thing if i had the money for it because i mean especially when you're

00:12:23.100 working like having comfortable shoes is one of the most important things yeah i get i got into

00:12:28.320 sneakers like a teenage boy got into jerking off so it was at a weird time and then i got way too

00:12:37.340 far into it and then it became like all you want to that's all you want to do all i want to do is 0.99

00:12:42.680 wear sneakers around that it's inappropriate yeah so i had to rein that and what the fuck 0.94

00:12:48.900 was i talking about oh yeah um we're talking about pfizer we're talking about so um there's 0.97

00:12:58.460 this individual who so that the story that came out um was you know he lost his mind so a lot of

00:13:04.420 people when this video came out and project veritas has to deal with this a lot because

00:13:08.480 i know project veritas probably would not align with everything i i you know believe or we believe

00:13:14.380 or whatever but i think they've done consistently good work i think there's only maybe one example

00:13:20.760 where they fucked around that was early on in their career but i think they were more into like

00:13:25.540 stunts and things like that um and the problem is that project veritas still they are on the 0.93

00:13:31.680 conservative side of things and then when they try and be funny they fuck it up but other than

00:13:36.540 that like i don't think they've been really wrong about anything however when this video comes out

00:13:42.540 everyone wants to say it's wrong right away so i just wanted to show an article i'm going to show

00:13:49.940 an article that that came out uh january 28th so this would have been around the time when this

00:13:55.860 happened right okay and this is on forbes so i'm just trying to give an example of a mainstream

00:14:01.800 or mainstream adjacent article okay so here's the headline no project veritas video doesn't

00:14:09.700 prove pfizer is mutating covid19 who is jordan tristan walker so right away you're furious i'm

00:14:17.680 furious oh yeah it's it's very patronizing who wrote this senior contributor who bruce y lee

00:14:26.360 bruce lee wrote this himself okay okay let's start with that now you know as a white man you have to

00:14:33.540 love bruce lee now what's this guy's i'm comparing him the other bruce lee what's this guy's byline

00:14:38.180 i am a writer journalist professor systems modeler computational and digital health expert

00:14:45.280 avocado eater an entrepreneur not always in that order so this is the air of the great bruce lee

00:14:53.940 so the for the first part of the article this guy is responding to tucker carlson the first

00:15:05.040 two paragraphs are literally just him making fun of tucker carlson uh so i'll give an example

00:15:12.300 what's this story that's supposedly the subject of a media blackout according to carlson well

00:15:18.480 carlson has also tweeted the following about it quote project fair test just released an

00:15:23.120 undercover video wow a pfizer exact bragging about a frankenstein science that sounds like

00:15:30.240 a monstrous revelation doesn't it but before carlson's claim before carlson's claim makes you

00:15:36.680 sit bolt upright in your chair that sounds like a straight up typo there keep in mind that this

00:15:42.760 was carlson who had said this yes this was the tucker carlson whom john oliver has called a

00:15:48.940 super spreader of covid 19 vaccine fears so like he's citing john oliver right now so basically

00:15:56.120 the entire point of this article what i'm trying to say is that he's claiming that the individual

00:16:02.260 the subject of this investigation jordan walker was not an employee of pfizer and this was a line

00:16:09.460 i heard a lot when this dropped like who is this guy and then i'm no joke most journalists i saw

00:16:16.800 were saying we looked on linkedin and we couldn't find them anywhere on linkedin 0.98

00:16:20.900 which is a straight up lie you're just full of shit which and here's the thing even if it wasn't 0.98

00:16:27.260 to lie no one the only people who give a shit about linkedin are journalists real people doing 0.99

00:16:32.320 real work don't need a fucking linkedin profile it is for marketers and hr people that's the only 0.98

00:16:39.820 people who actually go on linkedin if you ever like check a feed or anything like ceos don't 0.97

00:16:44.900 give a fuck about linkedin and this is a note for all you entrepreneurs and marketers out there

00:16:50.320 do not waste your time advertising on linkedin and i'm saying this as someone who's walked down 0.99

00:16:55.840 that path and been at agencies that spent thousands and thousands of dollars. There's no,

00:17:01.220 the ROI is shit. You will waste all your money. You will get no leads because all the people 1.00

00:17:06.500 you think that you want, they actually aren't on LinkedIn. They have an account, but if you look

00:17:13.220 at the analytics for LinkedIn, the time spent on site is abysmal. And it's also the most expensive

00:17:19.760 platform. I've just, I've never had any good luck on LinkedIn. Anyway, but to journalists,

00:17:24.280 it's a big deal so it makes sense that a journalist would check on linkedin but anyway

00:17:28.780 they're trying to sell you a story that this guy was not working at the organization um however

00:17:35.980 certain developments occurred in the days since this happened so um

00:17:41.340 so first of all project veritas also discovered a list of six scientific papers that were written

00:17:49.860 by this individual dr jordan walker because that was the other thing they were saying

00:17:54.140 we can't find any reports that he's written no studies no research his name he's a nobody

00:17:59.600 he's a ghost implying that they made it up and we've taken quite a while to locate this but they

00:18:05.180 did which means the journalists didn't do it right so here's six articles that are on pub med so these

00:18:11.760 are real papers that he was included on and interestingly here there's a leaked memo from

00:18:19.380 pfizer um and this memo is discussing the project veritas incident and what they're saying is i'm

00:18:27.620 not going to read the whole thing but uh one thing here is that uh second paragraph of the memo

00:18:33.660 actually i'm gonna read the first two paragraphs because it's very funny and i believe this because

00:18:38.060 i've worked in an organization that sent an internal memo similar to this i worked in an

00:18:44.700 organization just as a preface that was having uh difficulties with the press there was i'm not

00:18:50.540 going to try and dox myself but there was an incident where journalists were sniffing around

00:18:54.740 and what happens when that happens they send an internal memo to everyone just like this 0.96

00:18:59.480 saying look if anyone approaches you send it to this person whoever the fuck it is or send them 0.92

00:19:04.240 to me don't talk to the press it's very very panicked but very very firm so here is uh the 0.97

00:19:10.460 first couple of things. Fact-based information rooted in sound science is vitally important to

00:19:17.320 preserving Pfizer's scientific innovations, reputation, and trust with business partners,

00:19:23.040 and ultimately enables us to deliver breakthroughs for patients. Anti-science activists are becoming

00:19:29.880 increasingly brazen in their drive to gain and manipulate information, fueling the spread of

00:19:36.000 baseless claims and endangering public health working at Pfizer and doing the important work

00:19:42.240 that we do makes colleagues an ongoing target for these organizations we are aware of and managing

00:19:48.060 a recent incident where one of our colleagues was baited into conversation in a social situation

00:19:53.560 and recorded without their knowledge manipulated videos were subsequently posted online

00:19:58.420 so in case you missed it they just admitted he was a colleague of theirs yeah yeah so that's it

00:20:05.200 right there again something that the journalists didn't want to do now what i was saying was the

00:20:11.540 danger is that if you were just a regular person seeing this story you see project veritas and

00:20:17.600 project veritas tends to release the primary source it releases just the video of whatever

00:20:23.320 it is they were filming which should be in fact better than journalism because you're giving

00:20:28.200 people the straight dope but some people would probably need some contextualization like just

00:20:34.180 tell me what the story is i need someone to tell me this in a short story which is what people need

00:20:39.180 and so the short storytellers were like uh we can't find this guy i'm not saying he doesn't

00:20:45.000 exist but uh there's no evidence of it and now that that has been firmly planted in people's

00:20:50.400 heads across the entire mainstream press stuff like this does not get rewritten into the story

00:20:56.420 and i don't know if it's by design but as i've said before i don't really care if anything is

00:21:03.060 malicious or accidental anymore. I treat everything as malicious, especially when you

00:21:10.120 have the public trust in you. When you have power and influence in society, you don't get

00:21:16.460 ignorance anymore. I'm going to treat you like you did everything on purpose, which means I'm

00:21:21.280 going to treat you with maximum hostility. So journalists in this case must be treated with

00:21:26.120 maximum hostility for what might as well be a conspiratorial effort to hijack people's

00:21:33.940 methods of learning through stories and their inability to rewrite a story once it has been

00:21:40.060 recorded and contextualized in their brain. Let's talk about this Project Veritas video.

00:21:46.020 They targeted a mid-level management guy at Pfizer. Do we know exactly what his

00:21:55.480 uh title was he's like a director he you know of yeah and it's fascinating the way this is being

00:22:02.120 spun by by veritas the the guy talks about conversations that they've had and about

00:22:12.680 procedures that would go forward and they're not they're just throwing this around but and and i

00:22:17.560 gotta say like i'm not sure what this guy's actual title is because i mean larry elder who i don't

00:22:22.040 believe is a credible person says he's just the visor director of research and development i

00:22:26.440 don't think that's the case he is not the director he is a director director is a like term like

00:22:34.120 above manager low you know executive vice president type of thing or something like that

00:22:39.800 they're talking about this term direct direct evolution direct evolution function yes

00:22:45.960 he could be talking about research that's ongoing because of course there's ongoing research i would

00:22:51.720 presume about covid not necessarily at pfizer but they jump cut yeah we're then we're like a part of

00:23:00.520 the conversation where he is talking about pfizer now pfizer may be doing these experiments there's

00:23:05.720 no way pfizer's just doing these experiments like hey let's go down to the garage and do these

00:23:11.720 experiments there's no way pfizer's just doing these experiments like hey let's go down to the 0.98

00:23:21.400 a garage and do these experiments and i got news for you that means you're gay

00:23:26.380 so this is just one example of that about this and you can you can still find these articles 0.94

00:23:34.980 it didn't happen that long ago and they're always like no oh you're it's always patronizing it's

00:23:39.900 always oh you saw project veritas video uh slow down honey let's have a look at that what's

00:23:45.880 PolitiFact say oh pants on fire by the way I've worked with PolitiFact before they are actually 0.96

00:23:53.300 retards yeah if you talk to Politi here's what will make people feel uh happy and again I've 0.98

00:24:01.000 worked with PolitiFact uh in the past so this wouldn't have been relevant to anything that's 1.00

00:24:05.700 happened recently but they everyone at PolitiFact is genuinely confused why people don't like them

00:24:12.620 i want people to feel good about that feel good that right now at politifact the little pants on

00:24:19.520 fire truth-o-meter people they they every day they get thousands of negative comments and they

00:24:26.600 don't know why and they're scared and they're sad so all i can say to people is keep up the good work 0.92

00:24:32.400 because people are thinking like oh these big companies don't give a shit about this no they 0.92

00:24:38.120 do it's all they talk about i promise you everyone at these organizations these ngos 0.97

00:24:44.100 they're they're so disconnected from reality that they're spending thousands of dollars to figure 0.92

00:24:50.580 out why no one likes them and i just want people take that as a white pill whatever so what did

00:24:56.500 you think of the video by the way did you did you watch it yeah no i watched i think i watched the

00:25:01.780 entire thing not just the clips is pretty entertaining it's kind of what i expected to

00:25:06.340 me the big thing it reinforces is the the again the really poor quality of people that these

00:25:12.180 corporations uh have like he wasn't he like he's a director or like a head something senior 0.99

00:25:19.240 something something like yes how did this guy even get this fucking job you're the sort of person who 0.89

00:25:23.940 can't even keep their first of all you're drinking with a random stranger and giving them like 0.99

00:25:27.820 company secrets at a bar and you're you throw a fit and chimp out and like get violent while 0.87

00:25:34.780 news cameras are rolling like what kind of person are you i'm surprised this guy even passed 0.99

00:25:38.960 like high school you know like how did you become a senior director of research at fucking 0.98

00:25:45.660 pfizer in new york like where's my job like this is crazy it is funny because as a director in my 0.92

00:25:52.720 world in the world that i thought existed if you're a director and and i know this isn't true

00:25:57.260 anymore because i've met directors but if you're a director you should be able to have to shoulder

00:26:02.040 of that responsibility and if so and to not try and trade your responsibility is to not trade 0.96

00:26:13.120 company secrets for gay sex that's what if if we are to believe his story which is that i was just 0.99

00:26:21.040 saying shit because i was on a date i wanted to seem cool i'm like first of all that's dumb 0.99

00:26:25.880 because that's not what i would say if i was with a girl i wouldn't just start like saying that the 0.99

00:26:30.940 company i work for is evil that's an odd thing to say but then also you should be better than that

00:26:37.320 you know i mean how how can we accept that as a valid excuse like he was baited into telling and

00:26:44.120 also if they're lies why do we need a memo about it and i guess i i should have also led with that 0.96

00:26:49.740 that if this guy was just talking shit they wouldn't need an internal memo they would be like 0.99

00:26:57.720 okay guys look this guy they would be like a coping of this guy fucked up uh he has nothing 0.99

00:27:03.740 to do with any of this no it was that he was unfairly targeted at everything he did say 0.87

00:27:09.660 everything but it was creatively edited that's what they said they said it was edited out of

00:27:14.620 context that's so bad because if they just said he was a liar i'd be like okay maybe there's

00:27:21.880 something but they're like no no just you need the full story what's the full story about runaway 0.99

00:27:26.480 mutations faggots and the other thing is is like me saying oh um these these reporters they ask all 0.97

00:27:34.340 these loaded questions and then they edit it and they publish it and it's out of context and you 0.99

00:27:38.240 simply don't understand now hold on a second if anybody's been following veritas knows that that

00:27:43.920 is the go-to canard of any of the companies when they go to defend themselves against one of these

00:27:49.420 pieces that comes out and veritas keeps winning these like libel and defamation suits because

00:27:55.900 they they keep saying oh veritas is you know lying veritas is presenting out of context information

00:28:01.700 and then veritas sues them and wins because they're not actually you're impugning their uh

00:28:07.680 you know quality as a news agency and the truth is that everything is it's 100 like they just 0.96

00:28:12.380 went through a big one i think with the new york times recently about the um the fucking somalis 0.91

00:28:18.140 like um doing the the voter voter fraud during the election or something yeah yeah it's like oh 0.97

00:28:24.000 yeah no no i mean that's all misrepresentation because that actually didn't happen and we're

00:28:28.180 like no it it 100 happened take it back and they were right so i mean this isn't gonna stick if

00:28:33.540 that's your whole angle is well technically he did say those things and he does work for us but

00:28:37.780 it's out of context it's like no it's not out of context and your first two lies failed so now

00:28:45.460 this is a third lie like i don't if anyone's paying attention that would be it and also i

00:28:51.700 you had a good example there about the voting because i think you know the trump biden election

00:28:57.320 would be a great example is because i still hear of news trickle in very verifiable news

00:29:03.720 that there's voting irregularities very serious ones but good luck trying to start that conversation

00:29:11.820 and rewrite that established story in people's minds it's not even because they're

00:29:16.280 They're ideologically tied to it.

00:29:19.020 It's just that they don't,

00:29:20.460 people generally don't have the time

00:29:23.000 or energy to like rewire

00:29:25.780 the lesson learned from something like that.

00:29:28.240 They're like, they just want to move on

00:29:29.380 and they'll move on with the knowledge that,

00:29:31.800 oh, the election was fine

00:29:33.100 because if they actually had the truth,

00:29:34.520 it would demand more action.

00:29:37.740 And I had, with this in mind,

00:29:40.600 I had an idea and I wanted to run this by you,

00:29:43.400 almost a praxeological thing.

00:29:45.060 And I'm not trying to give hard and fast rules that everyone needs to follow, but this is something that we've been following on the show and it's worked out well for me.

00:29:54.160 And we've been doing it. I've been doing it personally for months and years now, actually, which is I never comment on a story that is breaking unless it's to kind of laugh at it, I guess.

00:30:06.540 like you know we're comment you know one comment we had was on that you know that black guy who 0.59

00:30:11.820 wrote that uh manifesto you know where he said the n-word 20,000 times that's a fun breaking

00:30:20.040 story to go after but anything serious like i'll i'll you we might make a comment but i'm not

00:30:25.840 decided yet i'm always thinking i want to see how this plays out and some people think that's you

00:30:31.260 know that's cowardly or something but it's it it always changes like for example i'll give you

00:30:37.460 another one um one that i think might this is one where we might have caught it which is um there

00:30:45.200 was an article published recently by seymour hirsch who's a pretty famous uh journalist

00:30:51.300 about the nordstrom 2 pipeline um and then the title of this it's on substack seymour s-e-y-m-o-u-r

00:31:00.280 hirsch.substack.com you can find it there how america took out the nordstrom pipeline

00:31:06.820 uh and the subheading here is the new york times called it a mystery but the united states

00:31:12.740 executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret until now now when the nordstrom event

00:31:19.620 occurred i think it was i think what happened there was it was buried in with the ukraine war

00:31:25.080 so no it wasn't as a big deal as people thought but i think everyone knew it was suspicious

00:31:30.940 and that's why this story is getting caught because when you heard sir that the nordstrom 2

00:31:35.060 blew up mysteriously most people were saying oh that was probably america but now we're getting

00:31:42.400 verification of that so this is a case where i think the re-verification might work a bit but

00:31:47.340 i just wanted to read it out here and this is why it's so good to kind of wait on these stories

00:31:52.040 because if we wait then this will be the definitive story the definitive version of the

00:31:58.620 nordstrom 2 thing now if i explain this to someone they will need to rewrite something in their mind

00:32:03.200 and they'll be able to hear it so here's uh here i'm just gonna read a couple lines from this

00:32:07.640 because i think you'll find this interesting if you haven't read it um last june the navy divers

00:32:13.940 operating under a covert a cover of a widely publicized midsummer nato exercise known as

00:32:21.060 baltops 22 b-a-l-t-o-p-s 22 planted the remotely triggered explosive that three months later

00:32:28.120 destroyed three of the four nordstrom pipelines according to a source with direct knowledge of

00:32:33.860 the operational planning uh two of the pipelines which were known collectively as nordstrom one

00:32:39.060 had been providing germany with much of and much of western europe with cheap russian natural gas

00:32:44.700 for more than a decade a second pair of pipelines called nordstrom 2 had been built more than uh

00:32:51.740 had been built but were not yet operational now with russian troops massing on the ukrainian

00:32:57.520 border and the bloodiest war in europe since 1945 looming president joseph biden saw the pipelines

00:33:03.600 as a vehicle for vladimir putin to weaponize natural gas for his political and territorial

00:33:09.320 ambitions um and he's talking here about when he reached out to the white house spokesperson

00:33:14.360 They kept saying this is false and complete, complete fiction.

00:33:17.560 This is utterly false.

00:33:19.000 This is crazy.

00:33:20.500 Biden's decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington's natural national security community about how to best achieve that goal.

00:33:33.260 For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible.

00:33:41.600 and so he's basically saying that this was it wasn't some people thought oh someone shot a

00:33:47.100 rocket in the ocean it wasn't that these were charges planted before time beforehand that's

00:33:53.900 what he's saying happened and like if that's true that's the real story and i think if we just wait

00:34:00.900 and this story comes out and we can if you bring this to people this will be the definitive story

00:34:05.460 in their mind but if the whole time they're kind of confused they got half stories from shitty 0.84

00:34:11.260 duplicitous journalists this won't be the bombshell that it really ought to be

00:34:16.140 anyway that was that was just the point i was making and what do you think about that what do

00:34:20.700 you think about a general rule that whenever like a big story is happening we can talk about it we

00:34:28.840 can discuss it but like don't start saying here's my stance on it or here's what i think is going

00:34:35.760 to happen we should wait until we know a bit more and and hash it out amongst ourselves but not

00:34:40.840 be like here's the stance i'm taking and so what do you think about that no it's absolutely true

00:34:46.740 it's it's like uh in the economy of takes it's like volatility kind of like when something first

00:34:53.400 happens there's so much going on you have to you really have to wait till the smoke clears

00:34:57.160 um because if it's something that matters you're guaranteed that the room is going to be full of

00:35:04.100 like a cacophony of competing voices saying totally contradictory things each one of them

00:35:09.880 with their own um with their own bent their own motive right so when when the next thing you can

00:35:19.200 almost time it by like when the next thing pops into the news cycle you can go back to the previous

00:35:24.040 thing and now truth becomes the more of the the economic standard there where the the only takes

00:35:31.280 that are traded are the ones that are actually going to matter in the long run and you still

00:35:35.340 don't know necessarily what's true but the handful of takes that are left are the ones that you can

00:35:40.560 kind of usually work through those like synthesize those into something that approximates the truth

00:35:45.560 versus when stuff happens i mean if you look at even if you look at the difference between

00:35:49.980 when something happens the first five minutes versus three hours later like the first five

00:35:56.040 minutes you will is when you will hear like it was an alien uh it was a lightning bolt there was a 0.97

00:36:02.880 fucking uh a bandit clown and then three hours later it's like oh and it was just a it was a 1.00

00:36:08.060 mass shooter but he was probably a right winger you know he's probably one of these assholes 1.00

00:36:12.300 and then like five days later it's like no it was it was a black man actually yeah but uh but don't 0.99

00:36:18.400 worry about that because we've already moved on to we're back on ukraine now so don't worry about

00:36:22.440 that you know it's another good example is you know i had this a line you know they always say

00:36:27.320 don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good yeah that's my favorite that's my i like that

00:36:33.720 and i would also say don't let evil be the enemy of the bad and what i am applying that to is the

00:36:41.440 covid narrative the covid narrative that came out of our side of things and we are people and we

00:36:46.940 we've always been like this on the show saying from the very very start except maybe maybe for

00:36:53.160 the first few weeks we were on board because we were hearing like weird stories about too many

00:36:56.520 corpses but we were like okay the code vaccine it's bad it's untested the bad things are going

00:37:02.160 to happen we know bad things are going to happen and i think if we stuck with that and and people

00:37:08.420 didn't dig their heels in with billions are going to die in a year i think that's fucked people over

00:37:15.360 more than everything because to me it's inarguable right now that we are seeing real life consequences

00:37:21.900 of the covid vaccine they're trying to wallpaper it over by calling it long covid

00:37:27.520 they're trying you know there's people dropping dead from heart disease like at weird ages my

00:37:33.700 myocarditis is all these things that we were talking about but very early on there's the

00:37:39.900 loudest voices were saying this is population control three billion people are gonna die by 0.91

00:37:45.520 this time next year like that's a stupid thing to say but that was intoxicating because that 0.92

00:37:52.480 sounded good to say because that's like an evil plan and we'd like evil plans we always talk about 0.96

00:37:56.860 evil plans but i'm like we kind of i think we shot ourselves in the foot with that because

00:38:01.520 that is the dominant narrative for most people that came out of the right and even people on

00:38:06.540 the right even people who should know better i'm not going to say any names but people who should 0.64

00:38:12.340 know better are still talking about like these anti-vaccine people that are crazy and they're 0.60

00:38:18.800 crossing their arms like oh so when are the seven billion gonna die and it's like you

00:38:23.200 you're purposefully ignoring the things are happening because you became too attached to

00:38:29.100 this one crazy narrative but i was also saying that this whole time if we just avoided digging

00:38:34.460 our heels into that one prediction we might have been a bit more flexible and fluid in selling

00:38:41.320 people on let's just say this isn't an evil wicked plot but it is bad and there's people 0.97

00:38:46.800 responsible for doing a bad stupid thing and that should be enough to bring out the pitchforks is my 1.00

00:38:51.480 point you know i mean but if if we if we predict like it's the death star it just we fuck ourselves 0.99

00:38:58.440 over and we fuck ourselves over too early before we know for sure and we know more now about more

00:39:04.320 bad things that are happening but we're kind of stuck in the in the swamp of like like some of us 0.92

00:39:10.740 predicted some really dumb things but you know i i will i want to find a situation or not find a

00:39:17.700 situation but find a solution where we avoid doing that in the future for things that really matter

00:39:22.720 like covet really mattered some of these big stories really matter and we do ourselves a

00:39:27.060 disservice by overshooting it way too early i guess that's what i'm trying to say does that

00:39:32.680 make any sense yeah yeah it does so i guess also i'm saying is like people shut up you know what

00:39:38.360 It was actually Morgoth, I'm remembering.

00:39:41.080 He had a funny line on his telegram.

00:39:46.140 He might have worked it into a sub-stack somewhere,

00:39:47.680 but Morgoth had said, you know, the most,

00:39:50.640 I'm paraphrasing here, obviously,

00:39:52.400 but I could look it up, but I won't.

00:39:54.700 He's paraphrasing, like, you know,

00:39:55.660 the most dangerous phrase in the right is,

00:39:58.100 I don't know, mate, I guess we'll see.

00:40:03.060 When's the last time you've heard anyone say that?

00:40:05.660 I guess we'll see.

00:40:06.280 Oh, I don't know.

00:40:07.000 We'll see.

00:40:08.360 like let's let's reintroduce that a bit into the zeitgeist we got going on over here

00:40:16.080 yeah well i mean we have we kind of have the attitude of like it's like a bunch of a bunch

00:40:23.220 of guys caught in a room which they believe is on fire and are not sure where the exit is and

00:40:27.340 it's like everybody is offering opinions and everybody wants to seem like the leader and

00:40:31.220 the smart one and it's because everybody thinks they're about to die and which is kind of true

00:40:36.360 in some sense but um yeah there's not it's there's never there's never the level of like

00:40:41.940 calm and the feeling of safety that is needed uh to create an atmosphere where we can you know

00:40:49.140 discuss things seriously it does get frustrating i like sometimes i just i actually want to step

00:40:54.000 out of it i think he's he's completely right um that it's like it is but you can't we're we're

00:41:00.660 incapable of just saying i don't know maybe maybe just sit on this one for it maybe just keep this

00:41:04.760 went under my hat for a bit and we'll let's talk about i mean you and i actually do it fairly often

00:41:08.920 we joke about it it's like oh man this is old news this was from two weeks ago but we're talking

00:41:12.620 about it now but i like it that way you know i mean if i we're going to talk about stuff that's 0.87

00:41:17.060 fresh it's just for our you know shit posting it's just for the the hottest takes as it you know

00:41:24.600 yeah just like i'm not trying to throw anyone under the bus here because this next sentence 0.96

00:41:29.760 throws everyone under the bus but one example is i i take in a lot of content from our scene

00:41:37.080 i've not seen a single person be correct about the russia ukraine conflict

00:41:42.760 not one and i remember i wrote them down i'm like i'm gonna see how this goes in two weeks

00:41:53.200 every single person has been wrong about every single prediction and we've talked about this

00:41:58.940 before but i'm like okay let's just stop doing it then we're not good at it i'm not saying i'm a

00:42:03.320 genius i'm saying it's it seems like no one in the world is good at calling this so let's stop

00:42:11.460 yeah i i will say i remember when it started it was like february now that it's been almost a

00:42:17.300 year right that's been going on and um i remember not feeling that i had a conviction that it was

00:42:23.560 going to go one way or another but i had a bunch in my head a bunch of scenarios i thought would

00:42:26.980 play out and at no point did i think it was going to be a long bloody embarrassing stalemate for

00:42:35.360 essentially a year which to my understanding it's essentially it's been a year like like it's been 0.99

00:42:40.680 a while it's been a year a lot of slabs are dead and it seems like at this point the the largest 0.50

00:42:47.060 pain is being leveraged against the allies of the two nations and nothing is being achieved i don't 0.90

00:42:53.600 keep up to it day to day but like can you guys just fucking end it i don't even care who wins 1.00

00:42:57.800 just can you shut the fuck up about ukraine like somebody just win already for fuck's sake 0.99

00:43:03.000 this is we're real archie bunkers when it comes to war 1.00

00:43:06.740 ah geez take it out in the back 40 i don't care if you fight but not in a fucking living i didn't 0.97

00:43:13.940 expect that after this uh length of time literally nothing would change because i remember there was 0.96

00:43:20.580 people early on when um who was trying to join nato was sweden i believe sweden and another

00:43:26.620 country that were talking about joining nato and then i had said i don't think they will i mean i

00:43:34.420 don't or i don't think their desire to join nato is that high because i'm like you know if we're

00:43:39.460 being realists political offensive realists it's like well they're looking at their best interest

00:43:45.500 They need to actually wait. Is my geopolitical interest stronger under the American umbrella of influence and America's way, way, way far away? Or am I actually safer not upsetting my neighbor Russia just for my own survival? Would it make sense to stay out of it or side with their enemy?

00:44:09.320 and i know that the uh admission into the eu and nato is being blocked by i think like turkey or

00:44:17.560 something but i'm like yes but i called it i'm like i don't think they're gonna join anything

00:44:21.580 really well it looks like nothing fucking happened except a lot of people died probably way more than 0.64

00:44:27.660 they're saying because you also have to realize don't believe anyone and that's the other thing 0.91

00:44:31.420 at the core of this like when a conflict like this happens you have to understand everybody's lying 0.78

00:44:36.700 so i don't understand just like with china like don't believe anything coming out of china don't

00:44:41.320 believe anything said about china so i'm like okay then it's a it's kind of impossible to know

00:44:46.300 for if you're trying to stand up that's one thing i don't hear that talked about a lot but the

00:44:50.840 ukraine thing is interesting like yeah i guess because of because of like azob versus dugan

00:44:59.120 like there's kind of an there's like an angle where this is kind of a right-wing discussion

00:45:03.780 like a dissident right-wing discussion but it's also a huge global discussion and they're not

00:45:08.960 even interested in the azog or the dugan as topics let alone you know putting those two

00:45:15.300 against each other so um so i think that we trend we tend to treat it like this is actually one of

00:45:21.120 our discussions but in reality like talking about charlottesville was one of our discussions

00:45:26.100 talking about the election being stolen talking about the trucker protest these are our discussions

00:45:29.900 in the sense that they affect us directly not indirectly and they are they are movements in

00:45:36.380 which key players actually belong to us they're our people like on a first name basis in some cases

00:45:41.820 whereas that that's just not true at all in with the ukraine like oh we're all like you know three

00:45:47.600 levels removed from whatever the fuck's going on over there nobody actually knows even the people

00:45:51.780 who are involved don't even fucking know it's a literal war so like what i mean is like it's the 0.90

00:45:56.000 fog of war like nobody actually has any idea so i i would say the one like abstract overlay i could 0.92

00:46:01.600 put over this whole thing not just the war in ukraine but everything for the past few years 0.82

00:46:05.660 is i always seem to come away saying that's that's just retarded like i could not have guessed just 0.97

00:46:12.680 how dumb that is just like just it just like it's clown remember that the vast majority of the time 0.85

00:46:19.600 when people are talking about this conflict i'm sorry if people are getting bogged down i'm sorry 0.96

00:46:23.860 we're getting bogged down in this again but i do want to say that i apologize if i said this before

00:46:28.980 and i'm repeating myself but it's like when you try and shot call these sorts of events

00:46:34.060 what you're really just saying is what you would like to happen like people would like russia to

00:46:39.660 win they would like some would like ukraine to win because they represent different ideologies

00:46:45.120 or different stances and there's some people we're trying to take a bit more of a realist

00:46:48.820 approach and to say like well here's what's probably going to happen but their main thing

00:46:53.020 is like supply lines and resources i'm like that's part of it that's not the whole picture either

00:46:57.820 obviously but most of the time it's like people superimposing their own worldview on what the

00:47:04.040 event is and all all i'm saying is i usually but but all that is is you what you're doing what you

00:47:10.080 should do which is look at your own self-interest but i'm also saying that that self and don't

00:47:14.200 mistake that hopeful self-interest for an accurate prediction of what's going to go on

00:47:21.240 yeah like like the belief that ukraine's gonna win because nationalism has to win

00:47:26.300 you know i mean like they're self-determined people like we're self-determined people i'm like

00:47:30.600 that's not really what's happening there and then like azov battalion like there look them there

00:47:36.260 are guys and i look at azov battalion i'm like this feels like a meme this feels like i'm being

00:47:41.420 lied to like i'm having azov battalion on a platter given to me by different people

00:47:46.800 one guys are telling me they're nazis the other people are telling me they're furries

00:47:50.700 some people are telling me they're actually fake nazis and they're really libertarians like i i

00:47:54.860 don't know what the read on azov battalion has ever been at their public events one thing that

00:48:01.500 surprised me was how many ukrainians tend to see azov not as militants or extremists but as war

00:48:06.540 heroes in key of the capital i watched an independent state parade where veterans of

00:48:11.620 the azov battalion marched alongside other volunteer militias surrounded by cheering

00:48:16.220 crowds who thanked them for defending Ukraine against Russia.

00:48:19.460 But even at the march, there were signs of the far-right ideology that's so common inside

00:48:23.620 Azov.

00:48:24.620 The symbols on their flags have been especially controversial.

00:48:27.500 Azov says it combines the letters I and N for idea of nation, but extremism experts see

00:48:33.520 it as an emblem of Nazism.

00:48:36.820 In 2019, 40 U.S. Congress members unsuccessfully tried to designate the Azov as a foreign terrorist

00:48:43.980 organization.

00:48:44.980 To Ukraine, the ragtag group of volunteer fighters that make up the Azov battalion have

00:48:51.800 been protecting the nation's borders in the east for close to a decade.

00:48:57.040 To Russian President Vladimir Putin, their far-right politics and extremist insignia

00:49:02.620 are justification to claim that Ukraine needs to be de-Nazified.

00:49:08.620 The Department of Defense-sponsored Warrior Games features liberal comedian Jon Stewart

00:49:14.100 awarding a member of Ukraine's neo-Nazi Azov Battalion at Disney World. 0.78

00:49:19.700 The Grey Zone reports that multiple Ukrainian Nazis were invited to the happiest place on earth

00:49:24.860 by the Pentagon. 0.74

00:49:27.360 There's a video on the National Guard of Ukraine Twitter account which clearly shows some of your

00:49:33.240 fighters greasing bullets with pig fat with a message. Dear Muslim brothers, in our country 0.71

00:49:38.160 you will not go to heaven. Go home please. You will not be allowed into heaven. Here you will 1.00

00:49:42.580 encounter trouble go home please that kind of thing makes you look like neo-nazis the white 0.97

00:49:47.260 we didn't just a fact we have muslims from azerbaijan fighting for us let me give you 0.88

00:49:54.280 one example in my unit we have a muslim from azerbaijan he's fighting like us but when

00:50:00.880 people think of the azov battalion particularly internationally they do think of neo-nazis you

00:50:04.920 guys have an image problem how are you dealing with that we have Russian propaganda a fifth

00:50:10.860 column that spread all over the world i never got that from the beginning because like you said a

00:50:17.240 million times you're you're part slavic we grew up in the same area of canada which is quite slavic

00:50:21.980 and like i don't i i don't relate to slabs any more than i relate to the chinese like i lived

00:50:26.820 with the chinese for a while but to me azov battalion and it's like oh man they're nationalists

00:50:31.340 there are guys is no different from like like hong kong or or chinese nationalists like fighting

00:50:37.800 their government and it's like that's cool because i hate that government but also i'm 0.67

00:50:41.980 not fucking chinese so i just don't care at all so why that why on earth would i be throwing in 0.99

00:50:49.120 with the fucking azov like is it cool that they're fighting the literal gay president of ukraine 0.99

00:50:54.160 yeah but i mean why i mean i don't hate azov but why am i like invested in this in any way 0.99

00:51:01.340 i don't get it i'm canadian well that's the thing because you're also thinking am i getting the real

00:51:06.600 story because the story on a is of what i'm getting and i haven't i haven't dived into it

00:51:11.380 but i keep getting different stories about what they are so i'm like okay i i know i'm being lied

00:51:16.900 to about from different people so i don't really know how to unpack this and at least i think

00:51:22.980 that's honest i think again i have to come back to i'm not going to name any names but i'm saying

00:51:27.640 everyone even us i'm sure we've made calls about this before i'm like yeah we've been wrong everyone's

00:51:32.820 been wrong so what are we actually doing here other than just being idealist being angrily

00:51:38.380 idealistic at each other we're smashing idealisms at each other and accomplishing nothing and

00:51:44.580 pretending that they're predictions and they're not they're bad predictions and maybe we'll 1.00

00:51:48.720 actually get along more if we stop making these stupid fucking faggot predictions that never work 1.00

00:51:54.760 out like we could actually work on shit together guys if we stop doing this yeah let's just can 1.00

00:52:02.760 we just are like we're going to argue with something let's argue about first principles 0.95

00:52:06.180 so that mostly just so that we can segregate each other into groups where we don't have to argue as 0.94

00:52:10.060 often but arguing about the literal news is probably one of the dumbest things to even have

00:52:15.100 a conversation about let alone argue so yeah you know what we should be talking about i got one for

00:52:20.220 you got another headline and i'm looking at the rob report i don't know what the rob report is

00:52:27.960 um it looks like a real first of all let me start by saying this there's too many parody

00:52:35.400 news sites have you noticed this i'm talking about there's the onion okay that's the legacy

00:52:41.340 one then there's the babylon b which is kind of right adjacent but not really but every so often

00:52:47.540 i get another someone sends me a link and it's obviously fake and they're outraged but it's from

00:52:52.860 an entirely new satirical news site where it's an article that's made to look real but it's a joke

00:53:00.120 but the problem here's the problem that we run into that if you're trying to be funny and outrageous

00:53:05.880 and satirical and you just suck at it then it seems real to people so the failure of them to

00:53:13.640 be funny means that is just straight up misinformation so yeah that's why i'm looking

00:53:19.260 at the rob report it looks real but i don't know i'm looking at the tabs here at the top of the

00:53:26.560 site um cars yachts aviation watches style home home should be at the start food and drink travel

00:53:37.680 i don't know what this it's a magazine i don't i guess it's like what's a good gq like men's men's

00:53:46.020 things i don't know anyway here's the headline that we should be talking about assuming this

00:53:51.320 is real and not a cruel trick on innocent hosts sky yachting is coming how luxury airships are

00:54:01.700 bringing the pleasures of cruising to the skies the bygone era craft is taking the skies again

00:54:08.540 with the luxurious overhaul of key features so basically airships and blimps are coming back

00:54:14.520 continue sorry so well so this is the thing and i i have dealt when we were working there were a

00:54:20.580 few times people wrote articles about us and then we were sometimes asked to like consult or be

00:54:25.480 interviewed for articles about industry specific stuff and there's one thing that always drove me

00:54:30.280 insane and you can to me it's like you can immediately tell that this is fluff or that

00:54:33.940 this person is just padding out you know word count or whatever and it's the inspecificity of

00:54:38.740 language in specificity or whatever you call it of language so he says airships are bringing back

00:54:46.140 luxury crew or whatever are as in this is a thing it is happening it is real and it is so yeah i

00:54:52.700 don't even i don't have to read the article i know it's not why because i don't see any airships i've

00:54:57.340 never seen an airship it's not real what you meant to say if you're being honest and this was actually

00:55:02.380 news you'd be saying company has plans to company has achieved round two funding of 1.2 million to

00:55:09.860 build a prototype of x okay that's news but saying hey this is a thing now no it's not a thing it's

00:55:17.060 just you try to drum it up so i mean it's just like close let me let me just say journal having

00:55:22.760 read it i didn't read the full thing but i was skimming it as you were talking you are correct

00:55:28.240 um so the there's a couple models a couple prototypes you're talking about here

00:55:34.220 uh the first one isn't even going to be in the air until 2026

00:55:39.700 there you go the airlander 10 which is expected to be certified and flown which is expected to

00:55:45.960 be certified expected to be expected to be certified flow commercially in 2026 can carry

00:55:52.260 approximately 130 people and cruise between 50 and 70 knots using non-combustible helium for

00:56:00.520 buoyancy and four kerosene powered reciprocating engines for propulsion a system that will burn

00:56:07.200 90 less fuel or i guess is expected to right uh than any other aircraft um then here's another

00:56:15.340 one then there's google co-founder sergey brin his lta which means lighter than air

00:56:21.620 research outfit is headquartered in mountain view and uh it's pathfinder airships aim to

00:56:30.300 advance the cause with new technologies and zero admissions so again like this is and i'm seeing

00:56:34.660 the only the only real image they have here is it kind of being constructed in like a giant

00:56:40.380 i don't know what it's not like a warehouse but like a giant place where you build airplanes

00:56:45.100 you know what i mean right like like a hanger yeah yeah hanger why did i not know that word

00:56:49.700 hangar but it's like oh again like you said like we might have airships like oh guess what they're

00:56:56.900 bringing luxury back to the air also i don't see any description of why these would be luxury 0.74

00:57:00.980 it just looks like a big fucking blip yeah so i don't i think if you just add champagne they 0.58

00:57:07.220 think it's luxury but that is a poor person's idea of what luxury is yeah for me luxury is being able 0.98

00:57:15.080 to kill a man oh yeah that would be great though if they have like it's just it's just a ride where

00:57:29.560 you're allowed to kill people is it like when they do cruise they do like illegal gambling like 0.97

00:57:33.940 offshore gambling on a cruise ship you have like an airship if you get high enough off the ground

00:57:38.280 you're allowed to murder you know what like this this was like almost a reference like an old i

00:57:44.300 think it was like oceans 12 or something where like there's this little throwaway line or maybe

00:57:50.300 oceans 13 about they had like a cover for one of their guys who's going in he plays he pretends

00:57:55.520 to be this like billionaire from china and he's like he owns the air in china like what do you

00:58:00.600 mean he's like try building anything more than 13 stories you know but the idea that someone could

00:58:06.000 own the space in the sky what i'm trying to say is on the blimp someone would say there's no laws

00:58:11.760 in the sky and if you said that to someone if you handed someone a gun let's do a thought experiment

00:58:19.700 you hand a regular person a gun and say there's no law in the sky how fast would they shoot the

00:58:26.540 closest person to them i think pretty fast yeah what i heard if when i was on a cruise ship

00:58:34.380 there was the line that we're on like international waters i went on a cruise a long time ago on this

00:58:40.200 carnival cruises and uh somewhere in the caribbean i think port-a-can or something but yeah you spent

00:58:46.640 most of the time on the ship and the whole thing was oh we're on international water so you can do

00:58:51.320 anything here you can drink and smoke and there's i get they had rules enforced on the ship but

00:58:56.780 technically you could do whatever you want um and i i kept thinking why aren't we killing each other

00:59:01.760 why are we just stabbing each other and i considered i'm like i wonder if i just pushed

00:59:06.880 somewhere over the side if i can get away with it i didn't obviously because i was too busy smoking

00:59:11.560 cigarettes which is another one of the things that you're allowed to do while out there there's

00:59:17.000 that that was my thing because they had all these bars and clubs on the ship it's a massive ship

00:59:23.020 obviously people haven't go look up a carnival cruise ship if you've never seen it before

00:59:27.120 you know there's a concert hall in there movie theater several clubs different areas you can do

00:59:33.720 whatever you want and uh that was the thing they said oh you can smoke in bars here you could smoke

00:59:39.260 in the club smoke anywhere you fucking want and that was such a big deal for me and it was like

00:59:44.320 i'm sitting in like a jazz club smoking a cigarette and i thought to myself i'm really cool 0.97

00:59:49.640 and i probably wasn't but my memory was also like yeah i'm a cool guy smoking cigarettes

00:59:56.920 wearing a cool suit yeah in the by the way it was the middle of the day and there i was in an

01:00:02.960 empty bar but still that that added to the allure yep it's a cruise classic now that's luxury

01:00:10.620 luxury is how much crime can you do that's what the real billionaires are doing because they got

01:00:17.240 they got as many watches as they're ever going to need and you know frankly it's all it's like

01:00:22.460 the reason people like having kings that dress a certain way that have enough regalia and and

01:00:29.880 pomp is because you know we we see ourselves in his glory and you know it makes you think like i

01:00:35.640 i don't like jeffrey epstein but the reason i don't like jeffrey epstein was because the

01:00:41.020 pedophilia if jeffrey epstein was arrested for drugs i'd say good for you of course you would

01:00:49.440 he got he got caught with a room full of crack cocaine i'd say i bet i bet everyone who's got

01:00:55.940 a lot of money does where he's like oh he was he was caught hunting hunting blacks on his island

01:01:02.800 base i'd say good for you i'd say give him the presidency

01:01:07.120 that's really it seems like i think most people are just pissed off with the pedophilia

01:01:13.200 that's yeah irredeemable but everything else everything up until pedophilia

01:01:19.180 is pretty fucking cool guy had some big ideas we'll say that yeah yeah he just uh 1.00

01:01:25.520 you know he's that icarus flying too close to the child rape son oh shit here we go again 1.00

01:01:33.340 jesus you know every don't go chasing waterfalls the waterfall is satanic child rape stick to the 1.00

01:01:42.240 streams and the rivers that you're used to which is collecting luxury cars and smashing those

01:01:48.100 luxury cars into each other or people or you know like imagine this i it pisses me off that people 0.99

01:01:57.280 don't do cool stuff with the money like if i was that's why warren buffett is so fucking gay i think 0.99

01:02:03.560 it's a jewish thing i think jewish people don't know how to spend money i think they know how to 0.99

01:02:08.300 accumulate money and capital but you never hear about jews doing anything all they do is the is 0.94

01:02:14.680 the satanic child rape but like if you give give give a cool white man a billion dollars like he's 0.97

01:02:22.320 gonna buy a country and fill it with candy that's why like john mcafee i don't think he was jewish 0.99

01:02:29.440 was he no no no he was fucking white as they come john mcafee is the best example of a white man 0.98

01:02:38.860 with money he did what every white man wants to do first of all immediately retire retire way too 0.99

01:02:45.580 young he retired at like fucking 40 or something right um and then start just start doing whatever 0.99

01:02:51.980 the fuck have several bucket lists you get through a bucket list every year and you find a new bucket 1.00

01:02:57.780 to fill with stuff then you're trying to fuck a whale's blowhole but you know what that's okay 1.00

01:03:04.660 to dives 1.00

01:03:05.640 I mean

01:03:10.900 you know what

01:03:13.000 I think sometimes I think

01:03:14.800 about John McAfee and I 0.78

01:03:16.760 do think that he was insane

01:03:18.300 but you can't hate

01:03:19.760 you can't hate what he did

01:03:22.500 when compared to a lot of

01:03:24.780 guys who get that like I always imagine

01:03:26.840 I imagine the guys that are

01:03:28.680 quiet we talked about a few months ago about Tom

01:03:30.760 Hanks but so you know Tom Hanks

01:03:32.720 is like one of the highest paid guys in Hollywood

01:03:34.620 and he just seems like such a sweet man it's like he probably like cuts children apart with scissors

01:03:39.240 and drinks their adrenal glands just because you don't know anything like no news is bad news with 0.99

01:03:44.080 these guys so the fact that john mcafee is out there with a dozen like thai brides fucking 0.99

01:03:50.600 dolphins and doing coke off the off a humpback whale and it's like all right at least we know 0.66

01:03:55.500 what he's doing and it sounds kind of fun so i that's probably the worst because he doesn't seem 0.99

01:04:00.920 capable of hiding ironically he doesn't seem capable of hiding all of his weird bullshit 0.96

01:04:05.640 even though he goes out of his way to hide like he's hiding he's hiding but he's incredibly public 0.99

01:04:11.080 yes exactly real top shelf white guy stuff yeah white guy it's like i'm just i'm gonna be on

01:04:18.160 cocaine every day he's the sort of guy who puts up a privacy fence around his lawn but then

01:04:24.040 installs those big parking mirrors on the inside so people can still look in yeah it's like he's 1.00

01:04:29.680 got such a level of money it's like you've done fucked all the whores so now you're just buying 0.99

01:04:34.960 whores to start a band i had this i came up with something early today and i want to run it by you 0.99

01:04:44.440 it's a new uh show idea uh something that you know because on our scene there's a lot of shows

01:04:51.940 but kind of they're kind of the same show you know and there's not a lot of production value

01:04:56.720 production value is very important i thought you know we could have one of these high production

01:05:01.200 value interview shows you know you see them these big tens and hundreds of millions of viewers

01:05:08.460 and they're just these independent little companies and uh so there's this show called

01:05:14.000 hot ones you probably heard about hot ones where um it's the guy they interview celebrities and

01:05:20.140 famous people but they meet make me spicy oh yeah i've watched a couple of those yeah

01:05:24.420 hey what's going on everybody for first we feast i'm sean evans and you're watching hot ones it's

01:05:29.420 the show with hot questions and even hotter wings yeah they're pretty so i was thinking we we could

01:05:35.540 have something like that but it's very very popular judas you see so uh the show that i propose and i

01:05:40.640 think we could pull this off um it's going to be thought ones and uh the idea is that you know 0.99

01:05:48.020 every week you're going to sit down with the guest and you eat increasingly bad pussy 0.99

01:05:52.940 asking them about their latest project ask them about make them look at goofy photos they took 0.99

01:06:06.340 and then just kind of the next one's like don't just whoo what's that spite spicy

01:06:14.580 he's like yeah it comes in later oh that's not so bad oh now it's hitting me now it's hitting me

01:06:27.720 so can i get a couple of napkins like a glass of milk he's like yeah here take as much do you want

01:06:32.800 some milk no no no i don't need the milk yet i'm not gonna be the guy who takes the milk yet

01:06:36.160 it's too early like he's only you're only too deep you think you can make it i'm not gonna

01:06:40.180 be like Coolio. I'm going to get

01:06:42.720 all the way to the end. I'm going to get all

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01:07:15.960 We're trying to help people here. 1.00

01:07:18.600 I have this other article that I saw,

01:07:21.340 and this is just an interesting thing

01:07:23.080 I thought we could talk about if you'd like,

01:07:26.980 because then I got nothing else to talk about.

01:07:28.960 I am drowning up here.

01:07:32.800 This is researchers discover

01:07:35.340 a more flexible approach to machine learning,

01:07:39.060 and this is published in quanta magazine um it's about neural nets and it says liquid neural nets

01:07:45.620 based on a worm's nervous system can transform the underlying algorithms on the fly giving them

01:07:53.020 unprecedented speed and adaptability liquid neural networks offer an elegant and compact

01:08:01.800 alternative says ken goldberg a roboticist at the university of california he added that

01:08:07.740 Experiments are already showing that these networks can run faster and more accurately than other so-called continuous time neural networks, which model systems that vary over time.

01:08:22.100 So respect for the lowly worm led him and Hassani to the new liquid networks, which each neuron is governed by an equation that predicts its behavior over time.

01:08:33.980 and just as neurons are linked to each other, these equations depend on each other. The network

01:08:40.420 essentially solves this entire ensemble of linked equations, allowing it to characterize the state

01:08:46.060 of the system at any given moment, a departure from traditional neural networks, which only give

01:08:50.900 the results at a particular moment in time. So liquid networks also differ in how they treat

01:08:57.200 synapses, the connections between artificial neurons, the strength of those connections in

01:09:03.060 The standard network can be expressed by a single number, its weight.

01:09:07.260 In liquid networks, the exchange of signals between neurons is a probabilistic process governed by a nonlinear function, meaning that responses to inputs are not always proportional.

01:09:19.020 This is kind of getting into like quantum computer stuff right now, too.

01:09:23.380 What impressive thing is biology doing to you that computers are not yet?

01:09:29.280 That gap.

01:09:29.940 I would say I'm definitely on, I'm much more hesitant with the analogies to the brain than I think you would see potentially in the field.

01:09:37.420 And I kind of feel like certainly the way neural networks started is everything stemmed from inspiration by the brain.

01:09:45.480 But at the end of the day, the artifacts that you get after training, they are arrived at by a very different optimization process than the optimization process that gave rise to the brain.

01:09:54.400 And so I think, I kind of think of it as a very complicated alien artifact.

01:10:00.260 It's something different.

01:10:01.340 I'm sorry, the neural nets that we're training.

01:10:03.620 Okay.

01:10:04.020 They are a complicated alien artifact.

01:10:06.880 I do not make analogies to the brain because I think the optimization process that gave rise to it is very different from the brain.

01:10:13.080 So there was no multi-agent self-play kind of setup and evolution.

01:10:17.960 it was an optimization that is basically a what amounts to a compression objective on a massive

01:10:24.080 amount of data okay so artificial neural networks are doing compression and biological neural

01:10:30.180 networks are trying to survive and they're not really doing anything they're they're an agent

01:10:35.400 in a multi-agent self-play system that's been running for a very very long time that said

01:10:41.400 evolution has found that it is very useful to to predict and have a predictive model in the brain

01:10:47.300 And so I think our brain utilizes something that looks like that as a part of it, but it has a lot more gadgets and gizmos and value functions and ancient nuclei that are all trying to make it survive and reproduce and everything else.

01:11:01.920 this is the stuff that always i always say like we talked before about black swan events i'm not

01:11:08.000 saying this is exactly a black swan event but a black swan event is an unpredictable

01:11:13.200 occurrence that kind of changes the world in it forces you to rewrite what you know about the

01:11:20.040 world in retrospect because you know you should have seen it coming yeah i'm not saying this is

01:11:26.160 that but this is one of those things where when it comes to i'm always shocked by people in our

01:11:32.520 scene who are poo-pooing ai and saying like it's not going to be anything like why not like then

01:11:39.240 this happens a new type of neural network that allows it to think in a in a way that employs

01:11:45.920 like a hybrid of synthetic but also natural like it functions like an organism so it's not

01:11:53.860 it's not constrained by what we think are the constraints of technology which is something

01:11:59.140 human made we are now dragging in structures from the natural world to operate in a way that is

01:12:05.740 maybe more advanced than us see what i'm saying so then they're talking like oh ai it's what are

01:12:11.860 you doing making fake seinfeld episodes it's like yeah then this happens and now you look like a 1.00

01:12:17.240 fucking idiot for not caring you know what i mean and i'm just i'm i'm sick of people not caring 0.99

01:12:22.680 about stuff anyway what do you think about well i mean ai in particular there are a lot of people 1.00

01:12:26.480 that don't care about ai like i can kind of get that take six months or a year ago but just in

01:12:31.280 the past little while with all the visual ai and chat gpt and everything that's going on and and

01:12:37.240 not just those technologies being developed but the very rapid and industry adoption of those

01:12:42.580 technologies like if you are now still denying the impact of this technology you you're under a rock

01:12:50.820 like your your opinion is invalid essentially um it's and i i uh i this this kind of touches on

01:12:58.640 what we were saying a little bit earlier i'm almost to the point of like i need to write a

01:13:03.240 10 page article about this because i actually use it for work uh and what do you do what do you use

01:13:10.080 it for well like for like visual ai i'll like i'll i mean i don't want to go into too much detail but

01:13:15.160 like the thing that my wife and i are working on right now we're using the visual ai i know

01:13:19.040 censored and on is using it as well i know a bunch of the guys on our scene are using it

01:13:22.080 and that's just us in the dr like people in the industry are using it as well and then i'm aware

01:13:26.080 of like chat gbt um is already being used in all kinds of applications like chat tb chat gbt

01:13:33.920 just that one iteration of this type of neural net um is so powerful that you can get it to write

01:13:41.360 software like you can get it to write python code and it can essentially

01:13:44.560 write other programs or you can like you can get chat gpt i've read that i haven't seen this but

01:13:50.920 i read a claim that you can ask chat gpt to write like a constantly changing um stock market

01:13:58.420 screener that is better than like extremely expensive paid stock market screener so it's

01:14:03.780 even very and this is like like last week's news this is not from last fall so like this has the

01:14:10.600 potential to even significantly alter the market and then the next question is is it already

01:14:15.720 affecting the industry and the market and things that we're not even aware of because the sort of

01:14:21.180 people that would be using it in this way would they be open about it would they be public about

01:14:25.140 it or would it be something that they keep close to their chest so just the fact that that's

01:14:29.740 possible you think of this it's like from an industry standpoint from a from a cultural or

01:14:35.760 economic standpoint it's like the atom bomb but it's an atom bomb that fits on your hard drive

01:14:41.600 and nobody has to know that you have or that you use because one of the primary uses if you can

01:14:46.580 qualify what this thing is doing is it is imitating human action or imitating human labor

01:14:53.540 so the vast majority of places where it's being used you don't know it's being used unless the

01:14:59.080 person tells you and that's kind of the whole point to it right so the irony is knowing that

01:15:04.240 to say well this thing has no effect well how do you know that i'm not it how do you know that 0.88

01:15:10.040 you're not talking to it right fucking that like dimes for all you know i'm not here i just am 0.90

01:15:17.480 using chat gpt run through you know a voice ai which has you know been been built through a liquid 0.98

01:15:27.140 neural net on the last 200 episodes of the podcast that's a that could actually be done

01:15:32.500 that's the dream yeah that's the dream i'm not even here second mike is is a robot tonight

01:15:37.460 you don't know you know what i mean you are we're at you know right now because just because like

01:15:42.300 probabilistically that's so new that this is probably not true i'm seriously talking serious

01:15:46.840 right but i mean six months from now you're not going to know or a year from now certainly you're

01:15:51.180 not going to know and i think we hadn't we have not accounted for the change that's that's coming

01:15:57.900 that's happening now i think the people who aren't concerned about this they don't like it

01:16:04.540 for a couple of reasons one because it doesn't fit into their cozy model and their ideology of

01:16:11.540 how they think the world works this really is just a monkey wrench thrown into it because it

01:16:16.560 doesn't fit with any really political science related thing but it has the power to reduce 0.95

01:16:21.960 solve political science to who gives a shit like it could right and the other thing is ego i find 0.62

01:16:28.220 with a lot of people on our side i'm not trying to get too hard on the distant right but it happens 0.98

01:16:33.640 to everyone but i think there's a lot of people who their ego drives them to think this doesn't

01:16:40.580 matter and they want to think it doesn't matter because they think they're more important than

01:16:46.900 they are like for example what you had just said was very true that the there are people right now

01:16:51.520 who are using this i promise you and there's people at higher levels and they might be in

01:16:55.580 finance and they might be in science they might be there are corporations billion dollar corporations

01:17:00.820 that have been working on this for for years probably because a lot of them are directly

01:17:07.560 funding it and when they directly fund it they get first access to it in some way i'm not saying

01:17:12.300 exactly what the deal is but this is how these things tend to work and i don't think people on

01:17:18.000 our side want to admit that they're not moving the needle on things right like to admit that

01:17:25.960 all this stuff we're doing right now and talking about it's good and it's important but it doesn't 0.93

01:17:31.000 really affect what's happening at the highest levels they don't really give a shit about us 0.84

01:17:35.460 i don't think there's a lot of people who want to admit that i think they want to think that 0.98

01:17:39.520 we're revolutionaries that people are scared of and i don't i think like shit libs are scared of 0.97

01:17:46.620 us and antifa are scared of us but no one really gives a shit about antifa anymore so that's 0.96

01:17:51.300 that that's immaterial to anything right like the so we're coming from the position i know we are 0.59

01:17:58.280 which is like okay we are not the elites we're not anywhere close to being the elite and we

01:18:03.540 we're pretty aware of our place in society but we're also not feared really so like the p and

01:18:12.520 we're interested in this stuff but that means that there's other people who've been interested

01:18:15.540 in a way longer and i think we should know about that and the people who aren't worried about that

01:18:21.000 i think they don't want to live in the world where they admit what their status is i think

01:18:26.180 they want to believe that their war is winnable and their war is winnable with awareness that if

01:18:32.640 they just wake we're still stuck in this paradigm of if we wake people up the revolution will emerge

01:18:38.780 like that was never true in history that was never even true in in marxist leninist i don't yeah i

01:18:45.120 don't know where that comes from that's and that's a very black pilling frustrating thing for me

01:18:49.000 and like we talk we talk about all the time we're like don't fed post don't fed post the only thing

01:18:53.860 that's worth talking about is fed post like or i should say the only things that are valuable in

01:18:59.720 terms of um moving quote unquote moving the needle as in like getting our goals achieved

01:19:05.220 they're all federal crimes and that's by design right so they in some sense they want us to keep

01:19:12.440 raising awareness because raising awareness doesn't do shit at best it it kind of pacifies

01:19:19.080 us into thinking that we've done something yeah if in this if you are still someone out there

01:19:27.800 who's going to like try and own the conservatives go home yeah like if you're someone who's like 0.89

01:19:35.600 gonna i my job is to show that the dems are the real racist the libs are the real intolerant 1.00

01:19:41.800 go home yeah shut up and go play in the fucking sand go to the beach have a you don't belong 1.00

01:19:50.500 in any conversation if you're still going to like conservative events if you're a groiper 1.00

01:19:56.660 shut the fuck up and go home it's done there's nothing to be done with owning like these people 0.99

01:20:03.740 you need there has to be another plan i know what's saying don't people do anything i think 0.99

01:20:07.960 there's a lot to be done but it's not going to actually be awareness based we're pretty good at

01:20:12.180 awareness a lot of the people who can be made aware are made aware what they need now is strategy

01:20:18.300 and planning and that's something that we're we've been working on for a while in various capacities

01:20:24.120 but yeah i i but i think a lot of people on our side like they they're ignoring things that i

01:20:31.500 think are unignorable and i think they're hoping things go away or i think they're

01:20:35.640 they just can't cross that threshold of understanding their true place in society

01:20:42.040 because i think they they still want to see themselves as the good guys i take a bit more

01:20:46.700 of that neo-realist you know italian elite theory move where i'm like there is no good or evil

01:20:52.680 there's just winners or losers um every story of and we'll get into this in a second with the book

01:20:59.620 i'm going to read but every story about a spontaneous revolution was a mythology cooked

01:21:06.000 up in the aftermath and if you actually study how for example uh you know the national socialist

01:21:12.520 workers party in germany came up how the hitler's revolution the bolshevik revolution it's a lot of

01:21:20.180 the american revolution which we're going to talk about in a couple episodes it's a lot messier

01:21:24.940 but it's a lot more interesting and just like we talked about uh with rodney stark's book the rise

01:21:31.600 of christianity the true story of how christianity spread uh throughout the world essentially

01:21:38.120 especially in rome is far more interesting than the christian story which was you know christ

01:21:43.940 was here and then there was mass baptisms and a mass enlightenment and everyone heard the good

01:21:50.540 news like no what happened was christianity spread very effectively and pretty quickly

01:21:55.660 and we can chart its growth through the census of rome about how fast it was adopted that's a

01:22:01.120 more interesting story to me because it's not miraculous just like the story of the american

01:22:06.640 revolution we like to think that you know there were revolutionaries everywhere that every american

01:22:12.180 was on the side of the revolution that's not what it was it was a lot messier and a lot more

01:22:16.340 contentious and a lot there was more buildup and then a lot of the stories about the american

01:22:21.620 revolution it was like a powder keg and then the revolution just kicked off it's like no no no

01:22:26.360 there was a lot of people working up to the revolution with john adams and everything

01:22:31.160 but i'm like that that means it's doable because i think some people look at the mythologies of

01:22:36.220 revolutions and they don't look at it from sort of an offensive realist or or realistic perspective

01:22:41.820 they think oh my god well according to this like every revolution was just a miracle

01:22:46.720 it's like no it was hard work and it was kind of shitty and it wasn't it didn't take a lot of

01:22:53.120 people it wasn't a mass revolt there was almost no populist support until the end we talked about

01:22:59.340 that we talked about the coup d'etat book about how every revolution does after the revolution

01:23:03.860 wins everyone says they were involved in the revolution when in fact like 15 to 20 percent

01:23:10.360 of people were everyone else was just kind of hanging out and waiting and seeing but that's

01:23:17.060 what i say like to me that's more encouraging about what can be done because there's still

01:23:23.560 people on our side waiting they think we need to get 60 of people on board with us to do anything

01:23:29.740 yeah i mean i i think it's encouraging in the sense that you get you get an like

01:23:36.480 um it dawns on you that the actual work required is not that much it's not that difficult and it

01:23:47.040 has a high success like a high chance of success but it's discouraging in the sense that you

01:23:54.800 realize even though you only need a very tiny number of people to execute it like there's

01:23:59.860 almost nobody who is genuinely interested you have a dearth of people who spend all day long

01:24:07.180 obsessing over the movement and very few of them like a tiny tiny fraction of them seem actually

01:24:13.280 interested in in what actually has to be done i mean i don't know what what else i can say like

01:24:20.460 it's just yeah but i mean yes yes if you look at history it's always you can probably i think

01:24:29.840 Think if you were going to go in a time machine to either of those revolutions, if you knew

01:24:34.280 better, you had a top-down view, there's like 250 guys that you could not touch, and as

01:24:41.360 long as you didn't touch them, you could do anything else you wanted and the outcome would

01:24:45.080 still be the same, because the actions of that handful of men was what actually gave

01:24:51.140 you the outcome that you got, for better or worse, right?

01:24:54.000 So that's the truth of it, historically, like that's not an opinion, that's just how

01:24:58.560 these things pan out historically it comes down to you know one individual or a group of people

01:25:04.720 usually and that oftentimes they will employ tactics that might seem brutal and savage like

01:25:10.820 the american revolution was a brutal set from the british perspective the american revolution was 0.91

01:25:16.780 just cruel like there was no reason for these americans to be so fucking mean to the british 0.95

01:25:23.740 but they actually were ideologically possessed. 0.96

01:25:26.260 And this is why ideology still has its place in influencing world events

01:25:31.440 because, yeah, they're actually, you know, aside from some trade stuff,

01:25:34.760 there was no real reason to fight so viciously against the British.

01:25:39.740 But people did it because they believed in this thing called freedom

01:25:42.540 against all odds, and they fought for a long, long time.

01:25:46.280 A small number of people did it.

01:25:49.360 Like, not a lot.

01:25:50.000 Again, like you're saying, not a lot of people.

01:25:51.820 it's not like there were suddenly in boston 1.2 million um colonial peasants throwing their

01:26:00.120 pitchforks into the sea at the ships no it was this tiny handful of guys and they had they

01:26:04.720 probably had as many people against them as they had for them i would i look i don't know i'm just

01:26:11.440 saying you could have had you could have had three times as many pens peasants against them as for

01:26:16.200 them it doesn't fucking matter what matters is they were the ones who did the thing nobody else

01:26:21.340 did the thing so exactly they won exactly and it was this is where the militia comes from but there 0.97

01:26:27.040 was a lot of loyalists in america there was a lot of people oh yeah loyal to britain a lot of them

01:26:31.980 fled to canada well yeah that's our ancestors yeah yeah exactly we had that entire there's all

01:26:36.780 these stories i'll get into when we cover the book the true history of the american revolution

01:26:40.420 but there was times when like canada america was trying to get canada involved they just didn't 0.97

01:26:45.980 want to do it and the reason the america's gay was just canadians are cowards they don't have the 0.96

01:26:51.760 vigor the desire their words i think are accurate they didn't have the desire for freedom to like 0.98

01:26:57.200 die and bleed for freedom and whatever you think about that you know it they did it you know and i

01:27:03.040 think you need ideological capture to get so many people to suffer and die for that you do it can't

01:27:10.580 just be like trade routes and stuff they got to believe in them set this project that they have

01:27:15.860 um i guess that ties into what i wanted to talk about this episode uh there was a book i think

01:27:24.640 you'll find very very interesting um we're going to be getting into a history arc coming up next

01:27:31.340 there's a lot of books we're going to cover that go throughout various points in human history

01:27:36.560 We'll be going to the American Revolution.

01:27:38.220 We'll be going into the Vikings. 0.98

01:27:39.600 We'll be going into the end of the Bronze Age. 1.00

01:27:42.880 There's a lot of stuff interesting, except the Mongols. 0.95

01:27:45.140 We're going to take some interesting lessons that really connect to some of the things we've been talking about.

01:27:51.580 It will not be a waste of your time.

01:27:54.280 But this is a book that's more modern, and it is historical, and it's political.

01:27:59.440 But I think it ties into what we were talking about earlier.

01:28:02.000 Now, this is called Leo Strauss and the Conservative Movement in America, a critical appraisal.

01:28:09.400 It is written by Paul Edward Gottfried.

01:28:13.320 So what's interesting, published by Cambridge Press.

01:28:16.620 So what's interesting is, OK, I've got to preface this book by saying a couple of things.

01:28:23.040 Again, I'm going to tell you two or three things.

01:28:25.400 So the thing is, this is a book written by a Jewish person and it is about a Jewish person.

01:28:32.000 And that is a rule that we have on the show. Most of the time when we talk about Jewish individuals or Judaism, we quote Jewish sources. And I really want to bold and underline that for people, because sometimes people will be listening to this clip and think we're going hard at Jews, because this is a story about the rise of the neoconservative movement in America and the man who essentially created it.

01:29:00.560 And, you know, when people kind of know what neoconservatism is, but what they might not know is, I know they hear neos, they know it's new, but it really was this entity that came out of nowhere that took over the whole mainstream political discourse.

01:29:16.680 And it's to answer the question, why do conservatives care so much about Israel?

01:29:23.140 Why do conservatives care so much about Zionism?

01:29:26.980 Many people have wondered that, and this book will actually answer that.

01:29:29.800 But it's going to sound anti-Semitic, but it's not intentional.

01:29:35.500 And I just want to really say it again. 0.88

01:29:37.540 This is by Jews.

01:29:39.340 I'm quoting a Jew here.

01:29:40.980 It's a pretty fair book, and I would recommend people read it.

01:29:44.500 And just from the back here, this book offers an original interpretation of the achievement of Leo Strauss,

01:29:51.240 stressing how his ideas and followers reshaped the American conservative movement.

01:29:56.940 According to this study, Strauss and his disciples came to influence the establishment right almost by accident.

01:30:04.900 The conservative movement that reached out to Strauss and his legacy was extremely fluid and lacked a self-confident leadership.

01:30:11.880 Conservative activists and journalists felt a desperate need for academic acceptability, which they thought Strauss and his disciples would furnish.

01:30:21.080 Strauss is a mysterious figure. He refused to be filmed or interviewed.

01:30:25.020 he devoted his time to creating a loyal band of students

01:30:29.120 and what he taught them was that the prosperous liberal society

01:30:33.040 they were living in contained the seeds of its own destruction

01:30:36.620 He didn't give interviews

01:30:40.960 or write political essays

01:30:44.480 or appear on the radio that wasn't TV yet

01:30:49.020 or things like that

01:30:51.120 but he did want to have a school of students

01:30:54.400 to get others to see what he had seen what we're going to talk about is the history of this figure

01:31:01.540 a figure that a lot of people have heard of before but might not know too much about and we're going

01:31:06.340 to kind of chart his story his values we're not going to go into the minutiae bit by bit but i'm

01:31:13.400 going to give you the broad strokes and some interesting passages here to show how this guy

01:31:18.540 essentially came to redefine what conservatism in America was. And I think conservatism as

01:31:26.280 a political phenomenon in America in the 20th and 21st century is really interesting because

01:31:32.580 a lot of people have remarked how contradictory it is. People, of course, from our side will talk

01:31:38.560 about, oh, you're a conservative, but you conserve nothing. That's funny. True. But that's because

01:31:44.640 you know what was a conservative movement was hijacked by this other thing um and he points

01:31:50.480 out in the book earlier like before the neoconservative movement really what you had

01:31:55.660 before that was traditionalists and uh christian moralists those that was the conservative movement

01:32:01.340 up until like the 60s and 70s and it sounded that made sense highly religious and the catholics

01:32:06.800 were big into this and i'm afraid i hate to say it the catholics are not going to come out of this

01:32:11.940 looking too good now we talked about this in tri-faith america with another great book about

01:32:17.240 how essentially the catholics teamed up with the jews to de-seat the protestants uh the the old

01:32:24.660 stock protestants from power um and i think both jews and catholics did this for strategic

01:32:32.180 self-interested reasons that kind of led us to the mess we have right now but the kind of the

01:32:37.940 same thing happened here because a lot of like the christian moralist stuff was being spearheaded 0.77

01:32:43.440 by catholics and then you know they but they they sided up with this guy and and what's

01:32:50.960 interesting is i guess i'll just i'll start by going into his story here so you'll hear the

01:32:57.140 term straussians these were his disciples so here's this guy leo strauss he's got a bunch of

01:33:01.920 people gathered around him. And these individuals, they write for conservative journals. They write

01:33:08.180 for the National Review. They're trying to get into academia to teach courses, to teach

01:33:12.400 the new generation about these new conservative values. So he's got this whole crew around him

01:33:18.100 that's just for propagating his ideas. And so this is the most striking thing about Strauss.

01:33:24.700 And when you become a Straussian, there's always a point of conversion. 0.72

01:33:30.660 That word, that kind of religious word, is almost appropriate for that.

01:33:36.260 And that is when you discover and begin to appreciate esoteric writing.

01:33:43.200 Esoteric writing means, well, to quote a title of a recent book,

01:33:50.420 means philosophy between the lines.

01:33:52.820 so what Straussians do is they forward the enlightenment rationality that statecraft itself

01:34:00.220 is just uh divorced from the nature of the people now Strauss is big on this and so is disciples

01:34:06.120 and this will seem very familiar to anyone who knows conservatives that oh all this nation is

01:34:11.660 all any successful nation is is simply laws statecraft in fact has nothing to do with the

01:34:18.240 people. And this is what conservatives believe to this day, I think, which is that proper statecraft

01:34:23.420 can be superimposed over any people or any culture around the world. I think this reached its apex

01:34:29.540 with George W. Bush, you know, in many different ways. And it's still there now, but it's this

01:34:36.600 idea that, you know, we've perfected rationalistic statecraft, so we don't even need to care about

01:34:41.180 race, ethnicity, history. In fact, they think all that's fucking useless. And just like we were 0.99

01:34:46.520 talking about in the last episode in the book seeing like a state this is a very state-like 0.99

01:34:51.300 thing to believe that all this you know ethnic shit who gives a fuck we can strip that away 0.99

01:34:56.120 with enough time um the three scourges of the straussies the three things they hate the most 0.99

01:35:03.800 are relativism historicism and positivism now what do they mean by that well that means that 0.85

01:35:10.060 they hate the idea that each country has its own unique history and that unique history

01:35:17.080 makes it unique and makes it so that oh this political system won't work with that and so

01:35:23.780 they also hate relativism now when you or i hear relativism we probably think of ironically we

01:35:30.160 think of it like kind of a talmudic sort of way like relativism like oh there's no such thing as

01:35:34.900 values there's no such thing as principles everyone has their own truth that they live

01:35:39.760 that's kind of what they were about too because they said but they came at it from a religious

01:35:44.940 standpoint and this is what i think this is what made them so attractive to the catholics and a

01:35:50.100 lot of the christians because here comes a jewish guy who believes in this thing like universal

01:35:56.360 morality universal values and if you believe in universal values you can't believe in relativistic

01:36:02.380 values you can't believe in particularist values um and we when i spoke to anglo ortho you know

01:36:08.080 this is kind of what we were talking about with him but like they hate the idea that each nation

01:36:13.660 might have its own relativistic values now i believe that they do i also have the ability

01:36:20.060 to sort rank them and i put us at the top because those are just better but my thing is i'm like yeah

01:36:25.860 the ultimate version of statecraft i do agree that our statecraft will not apply to many nations 0.80

01:36:33.880 in the world unless you completely re-engineer them kill them torture them which is what they

01:36:40.160 they've tried to do before so i i kind of believe that but i also don't believe that it's our 0.99

01:36:44.480 business to like superimpose our state over them because we're just gonna waste our fucking time 0.98

01:36:49.560 just let them but billions must die will happen if you let it billions must die is the natural 0.96

01:36:57.580 state of things just let billions must die so what strauss is trying to do because he's kind

01:37:03.760 of a philosophically minded guy too he was trying to um reconcile new modern relativism which is

01:37:11.580 this natural rights stuff you get in a lot of libertarian circles um and uh but also reconcile

01:37:20.660 it with um his religious upbringing is this guy was raised very jewish there's no two ways about

01:37:28.460 it this guy was raised he studied the talmud on his own like he was a staunch zionist his whole

01:37:35.640 life but as a jew he believed in traditional values very traditional stuff so he was trying

01:37:41.280 to reconcile natural rights with natural law so he's trying to reconcile the enlightenment with 0.87

01:37:47.340 his traditional forces of like this is good and evil this is bad this is the talmud this is the

01:37:53.080 old testament this is all valid i don't like this new modern relativism so he was trying to do that

01:37:58.500 but he was trying to do that from a strictly jewish standpoint however the christians saw

01:38:04.480 that and said oh here's a guy who cares about traditional values we like that we believe in

01:38:08.980 traditional values let's bring him in and i think what what strauss proposed to them was you know a

01:38:15.620 test they failed and he proposed things that they just couldn't see coming we know what happened

01:38:21.320 in the wake of that we can look at the world around us now how that ironically inspired a new

01:38:27.440 whole new sort of relativism but you know that he was pushing back against leftists because he

01:38:34.680 thought leftists were the relativists not him okay so so think of it this way this is why 0.52

01:38:40.840 conservatism is so fucking weird having being take over by him because he is pro like old

01:38:49.380 historical values but he's also anti-history and anti-tradition although he's pro-ancient values 0.95

01:38:58.240 you see what i'm saying like that's yeah that's a strange cluster of things to be but this guy was 0.97

01:39:04.340 staunchly anti-historical he didn't give a shit about history history doesn't matter 0.84

01:39:08.200 it shouldn't matter because we're all so rationalist so just the idea that some guy 0.98

01:39:12.860 could be like i i love conservative values and who gives a fuck about history that seems insane 0.84

01:39:19.100 however that is neoconservatism yeah according to the ancient and medieval philosophy straw says

01:39:27.300 the whole is knowable or intelligible which presupposes that the whole has a permanent

01:39:33.060 structure or that the whole is unchangeable in contradistinction according to historicism what

01:39:39.500 is called the whole is actually always incomplete and therefore not truly a whole the whole is

01:39:45.660 essentially changing in such a manner that its future cannot be predicted the whole as it is in

01:39:52.020 itself can never be grasped and and that's why if you look at the conservatives to this day

01:39:57.620 you still kind of see that that internal inconsistency um which is why they're so easy

01:40:04.180 that's why they keep losing to the libs and libs aren't particularly smart either so to lose to 0.97

01:40:11.480 shit libs as much as they are should tell you everything you need to know but we're trying to 0.98

01:40:15.660 unpack why they're losing okay and so that's how he ends up as a constitutionalist so he was a big 0.97

01:40:22.000 constitutionalist and he had said he thought uh the reconciliation that we're just talking about

01:40:27.220 can be brought through reason and that all constitutions were rational and made by individuals

01:40:34.360 rather than generative from the people you know when we talked about the construction of nationhood

01:40:40.160 i think it's more realistic that things like the magna carta things like the constitutions of these

01:40:45.700 great ancient nations they come up through the people and then are codified by the state later

01:40:51.260 on he's coming at from the opposite side like oh constitutions are just written up by smart guys

01:40:56.740 which to this day i think is something conservatives actually believe but that they get caught in that

01:41:02.820 that trap too where it's like then why is the constitution really matter because you're also

01:41:07.140 trying to say that the constitution is the soul of america the soul of the american people

01:41:12.260 yeah you can't you can't have it both ways yeah yeah but if it's just like oh smart people wrote

01:41:17.660 it well why can't smart rational people rewrite it because if you believe this it actually doesn't

01:41:23.840 make sense that you can't rewrite the constitution right and i think that that's what conservatives

01:41:30.020 kind of short circuit when you bring them to that they just know that's something you don't say but 0.94

01:41:34.020 you know with enough time they'll try and rewrite the fucking constitution why wouldn't they rewrite 0.96

01:41:38.240 everything else um so you know his history was he was raised by orthodox jews he fell in with 0.98

01:41:44.400 the neocantians of philosophy fame, who are trying to marry philosophy with Jewish legal

01:41:54.720 scholarship. And I'm just going to read a part here. This is what it says. He's a follower of

01:42:00.360 this guy named Herman Cohen. Herman Cohen, a celebrated professor at Marburg, which is what

01:42:07.020 this guy was raised in Europe, Marburg. Cohen was then defining Jewish religious practice in a way

01:42:13.460 that fitted Kant's notion of a rationally based ethic harmonizing an inherited legal tradition

01:42:20.100 with a rationalist ethical system was a task of some importance for Jewish neocantians

01:42:26.180 in the early 20th century but Cohen also engaged in other projects um it goes into what he's

01:42:32.540 studying but they were trying like what I'm trying to say there is that sort of Jewish identity and

01:42:39.440 jewish legal theory sat at the very center of this political project that leo strauss was engaging in

01:42:46.840 and all his disciples were engaged engaging in so what it is interesting because he's trying to take

01:42:52.480 like a philosophical standpoint but like i'm not trying to just appeal to certain members of our

01:42:59.640 audience but like there is no way to tell the story of neoconservatism without putting zionism

01:43:04.980 and and jewish psychology at the center of it yeah and again this is a book written by a jewish

01:43:11.300 person so it's it's you can't get mad at us and strauss early on like he was kind of big into

01:43:20.000 like he hated leftists but for example he was obsessed with spinoza we talked about spinoza

01:43:25.880 on the show before as this this really a philosopher that a lot of people don't like

01:43:31.160 But a lot of communists and Marxists, they love Spinoza.

01:43:34.180 And he wrote an intro for one of Spinoza's books and was and Spinoza was also a Jew.

01:43:40.940 So even though politically disagreed, they were kind of on the same side because they were Jewish.

01:43:45.900 And Spinoza was deeply entrenched as well in Jewish intellectualism in Europe at the time.

01:43:52.080 So that's another interesting thing as well.

01:43:54.060 um it says uh in the book like many jews in germany he was a cultural liberal and thrived

01:44:01.600 in weimar germany seeing jews as their own people within germany and following closely

01:44:07.440 exclusively jewish thinkers so that's again what the book says so you know he was loving weimar

01:44:14.680 germany um so here's here's something here um his oft-cited defense of political zionism as

01:44:23.740 problematic but also a moral force in the era of complete dissolution was printed as a letter to

01:44:31.060 the conservative national review in 1956 in it strauss was responding to a charge that had

01:44:38.660 previously appeared in the same publication namely that israel exhibited racist hostility against

01:44:44.680 the palestinians strauss challenged this charge and then went on to extol israel and jewish

01:44:50.420 nationalism for their quote conservative function zionists and israelis were helping quote to stem

01:44:58.360 the tide of progressive leveling of ancestral differences strauss characterizes israel as quote

01:45:05.740 the only country which as a country is an outpost of the west in the east and in which a single book

01:45:12.740 absolutely predominates in elementary schools and in high schools the hebrew bible so where have you

01:45:18.760 heard that before where because again people hear that from conservatives like why do conservatives

01:45:24.120 love israel so much oh it's because it's an outpost in the middle east and you say okay

01:45:29.520 why do we care about the middle east and they never answer that they never answer why okay

01:45:34.700 let's say we need israel there tell me why we need israel as a democratic outpost i don't believe it

01:45:40.600 is but let's say it is but this is this came from this guy it didn't come from ron de santis it

01:45:48.100 didn't come from trump it didn't like they they follow along with that but that's why this is so

01:45:53.300 ingrained in the dna of the conservative movement and this is going back to the 50s from this

01:45:58.040 guy who was a staunch zionist and saying that no you should care about israel because you know

01:46:04.240 that's that's america and i guess no one really quit they might have questioned it more back then

01:46:10.720 but they no longer question that yeah and it said you know strauss became popular with the right

01:46:16.220 especially religious people on the right, because he took a strong moral tone and an appreciation of traditionalism through a Jewish lens.

01:46:24.300 His popularity kicked off mainly in America and not anywhere else because he wasn't in America at the time.

01:46:31.020 He emigrated to America because his ideas weren't that popular in Europe.

01:46:35.360 came to america and landed in the chicago school which is an institution that will come up a lot

01:46:43.500 as we go forward into american intellectual discourse but he became sort of headquartered

01:46:51.340 in the chicago school um now neoconservatism at the start this is where we could start neoconservatism

01:46:58.860 was a movement primarily run by Catholics for moral reasons, and they took the Strauss

01:47:04.960 and refugees of both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. So they liked Jews as sort of these 0.87

01:47:12.800 refugees from, you know, competing ideologies. And then once the Straussians got here and Strauss 0.89

01:47:20.400 got here, they almost immediately started attacking Christianity. And there's a quote here. 0.71

01:47:26.580 it says the book ours may be an age of dismitted of diminished christian faith in the west but

01:47:35.340 straussians believe that the american regime has tended in this direction from its theoretical

01:47:41.280 beginnings strauss's students uh thomas l pangle and michael zuckett have tried to demonstrate

01:47:47.040 that the united states was founded explicitly on the ideas of john locke in their view locke

01:47:53.940 if properly read can be seen to have harbored a skeptical attitude towards

01:47:58.800 religious revelation.

01:48:00.760 The American regime was a distinctly modernist and implicitly post

01:48:05.840 Christian project.

01:48:07.180 One whose Lockheed founders considered religious concerns to be less

01:48:10.840 important than individual material ones.

01:48:13.360 So these guys get here and immediately start saying that America was never

01:48:17.420 Christian.

01:48:18.820 So wrap your head around that. 1.00

01:48:19.880 That's like day fucking one that these guys get established. 0.96

01:48:22.980 but still they're moralist still and and this is what i keep coming back to like 0.96

01:48:28.640 you have an individual who is telling you that he is religious and that he believes in religious

01:48:36.220 values but your specific religious values don't matter which seems to imply that the only religious

01:48:42.920 views that matter are jewish religious values and there's two figures that sit really high up

01:48:51.960 in the Strauss minds and you'll see this still in conservatives to this day and again once I saw

01:48:58.940 that it was this guy that was kind of pioneering this it shook me it shook everything else into

01:49:04.880 place about why the conservatives are like this so there's two figures that they're obsessed with 0.69

01:49:08.760 one is Winston Churchill and the second is Abraham Lincoln so like the Straussians are obsessed with

01:49:16.720 Winston Churchill as the prime example of Anglosphere politics. Now, there's a lot of people

01:49:22.540 on our side. I know Thomas 777 had nothing but bad things to say about Winston Churchill. And he's

01:49:27.200 right. He's correct that anyone who knows anything doesn't like Winston Churchill. But apparently to

01:49:32.740 the neoconservatives, he was the smartest and best leader that Europe has ever seen, which should

01:49:38.200 make you look at them kind of sideways. But also Abraham Lincoln. And Lincoln as a figure is like

01:49:44.120 the hero of the neoconservatives because what does lincoln represent he represents rebirth

01:49:50.920 he represents the rebirthing of america as a vanguard of equality and um and they have this

01:49:57.320 fixation they talk about this in the book they have this fixation on the phrase you know we hold

01:50:03.320 these truths be self-evident all men are created equal and the book points out that the all men

01:50:09.400 created equal part was really latched onto by the the neoconservatives and they still do to this day

01:50:14.220 you'll still hear people say all men are created equal that was never a big deal in the constitution

01:50:20.620 it was always there but it was never brought up it was never like the main thing you're supposed

01:50:27.260 to focus on um it was kind of like a shorthand for yeah yeah we're all equal you know but they

01:50:32.920 didn't believe in like marxist class leveling of anything however and this is kind of the irony of

01:50:40.140 like the straussians where like they they're at once telling you that america was always like this

01:50:45.600 however it didn't really get started until lincoln so you have again this is sort of like the double

01:50:51.700 lie that they do which is it's always been like this but this guy also changed it changed everything

01:50:57.240 to be the way it is it can't be both things at the same fucking time but that's why everyone on 0.86

01:51:03.900 the conservative side is obsessed with lincoln for surprisingly uh liberal reasons but that's 0.98

01:51:11.040 why you know there's nothing really conservative about these people they're still just fucking libs 0.76

01:51:16.140 um and that's why he says like before um the neoconservatives up until the 70s the way 0.92

01:51:26.000 american politics really worked it was the constitutional republicanism versus liberal

01:51:31.660 democracy um so that would probably be closer to traditional conservatism then strauss enters the

01:51:38.160 fray and united everyone under liberal democracy plus values plus warrior revolutionaries so he

01:51:47.420 also had this sort of like cool edgy revolution i think this is a new thing and we like revolutionaries

01:51:53.500 we like big crazy things happening you know what i mean which again the internal contradictions of

01:52:00.340 what he was doing right and and when he came on the scene what he was proposing and this again

01:52:06.920 is still evident in conservatives now was a war on academia like we need to we need to have a place

01:52:13.040 in academia we need to have a place in journalism um and that's what he was proposing and conservatives

01:52:18.280 have always been bad at that but then he kind of he was effective is what i'm saying like this guy's

01:52:24.400 not an idiot this guy wrote the playbook for everything conservatives do right now and i would 0.86

01:52:29.840 argue that this occurs both in america and in canada we are a carbon copy of this straussian 0.98

01:52:36.460 neoconservative movement up here like i don't think pierre polyev is far and away different

01:52:41.940 than any of this you know what i mean no not at all and so when he brings in this sort of warrior

01:52:49.740 spirit he says now conservatives have been realigned as the vanguards of democratic values

01:52:56.180 during the cold war and strauss's instrumental in doing that war was now understood to be a

01:53:03.460 democratic crusade and that's a really interesting thing like now this these things you believe in 0.93

01:53:09.100 you're a cool fucking warrior who needs to fight for them whereas prior to that it would be far 0.93

01:53:15.300 more isolationist farmer and now who would benefit again who would benefit from you know 0.99

01:53:22.220 being a warrior class for western democracy well you know israel would benefit from that

01:53:26.940 especially if israel is under threat and they are democracy you must fight for democracy 0.95

01:53:32.400 come fight for us yeah now this if this was coming from anyone else except a orthodox zionist jew

01:53:41.800 and let's say maybe that's a coincidence look at like the quality the or the qualities i should

01:53:46.780 say of the wars prior to and after the formation of israel prior to and after the second world war

01:53:53.460 like the u.s was not involved in as many wars and the ones they were involved with were essentially

01:53:58.740 on their own doorstep like that directly concerned the people of the nation uh whereas afterwards

01:54:05.220 i mean you can make the claim that they were all related to israel or at the very least they were 0.75

01:54:10.220 tangentially related to israel in the sense that they were foreign wars for no fucking reason other

01:54:15.760 than prophet so i mean yeah it's it's just that's crazy yeah so he's got another um in the book they

01:54:26.440 describe what's called the virtual right which became kind of headquartered in the claremont

01:54:31.300 institute later on and you'll see the claremont institute come up a lot as like in conservative

01:54:36.020 think tank discussions um so what neoconservatism kind of evolved into was their advocates for

01:54:45.280 tolerant nationalism liberal international interventionalism and a defense of all civil

01:54:54.440 rights revolutions and then as well as strong zionism those are like the four things that

01:55:00.360 they all come to represent which of course like really seem to benefit this one nation um

01:55:06.520 so i'll just read a few things here so the cure for this problem of discrimination against jews

01:55:14.120 strauss indicates in the preface was political zionism a solution that he backed in principle

01:55:20.440 What had to be done at the same time, however, was to make life tolerable for those Jews who, like Strauss, did not embrace the Zionist option.

01:55:30.380 Their alternative was, quote, liberal democracy, by which the writer meant something more fortifying than freedom as the more than freedom, as the term would be understandable to the 19th century European bourgeoisie.

01:55:43.960 Strauss may have favored a strong democracy of the kind that appealed to Jaffa, Burns and Bloom.

01:55:49.300 This democracy would be actively committed to universal principles and would see itself in a tradition of democratic heroes stretching back to Lincoln and the signers of the Declaration of Independence.

01:56:03.260 This sanitized or virtual right had found a powerful voice in Harry Jaffa's Claremont Institute, a foundation that combines a generally interventionalist approach to dealing with America's undemocratic enemies abroad with generally progressive positions on racial and immigration questions.

01:56:24.200 After 30 years, this foundation is a well-endowed presence in the movement's conservative community, and figures who are affiliated with the Institute, like Charles Kelser and William Bennett, appear frequently on network TV, including the Today Show.

01:56:39.580 So that is where we stand now.

01:56:41.460 To me, that is relatively unchanged.

01:56:44.680 So that phrase there was very interesting because it says his primary goal was political Zionism.

01:56:51.620 and then for those who were not into political zionism he had this liberal democracy cope

01:56:58.860 like that's the thing we'll give everyone else however like i don't think you can talk about

01:57:04.620 this guy without saying that his primary goal was zionism and then he he created a fog of around him

01:57:11.260 of oh this other stuff too but essentially this is really what we care about and like i was saying

01:57:16.960 he was in Europe when he was coming up with all this stuff and he couldn't find an audience for 0.90

01:57:22.360 it no one was biting this bullshit until he came over into America and found a willing audience 0.95

01:57:28.160 in a very very disjointed uh American conservative movement that was looking for it didn't have a 1.00

01:57:34.940 leader it didn't really have anyone so Leo Strauss again I'm not trying to say he's stupid

01:57:38.560 I'm saying he's effective and he was an effective leader because they didn't have really any other

01:57:43.940 leaders except for like maybe like father coughlin coughlin or something like there's certain

01:57:49.200 anti-semitic you know popular guys throughout history but you know the conservative movement

01:57:53.620 at that time when he came there didn't really have much going on and that's how he was able

01:57:59.060 to swoop in and redefine it and frankly i see the same thing happening now i look at the

01:58:06.440 conservatives who are still running this playbook but i don't see a good competent leader do you

01:58:11.380 in Canada or the United States?

01:58:15.760 It's almost like conservatives can't have a leader.

01:58:19.920 We got Reagan.

01:58:22.320 Okay.

01:58:23.540 Was Nixon really a conservative leader?

01:58:25.220 I don't know.

01:58:25.720 Debatable.

01:58:26.440 But who's been the guy?

01:58:28.840 Trump was for...

01:58:29.900 I can't even call Trump a conservative leader.

01:58:32.840 No, he's not.

01:58:33.340 He's not remotely conservative.

01:58:34.800 But this is built in, though.

01:58:36.520 I mean, the features of...

01:58:38.360 A lot of it has to do with masculinity, I think.

01:58:40.220 but the features of of leadership from like a from a character building standpoint

01:58:47.700 are are like de facto illegal like if you express real leadership qualities especially if you're a

01:58:56.820 right winger you are eaten alive by your own people at a very young age so like i i don't

01:59:02.680 think we've had a real accounting of even on our on our not our side as dissidents but like our

01:59:09.320 side as in terms of like the the normal right wing pools we all swim in as teenagers before we

01:59:15.240 come over to this dissident sphere like in those places even though they're technically right wing

01:59:22.220 they're still so far left compared to two generations ago that the the guys who are

01:59:29.100 genuine leaders i think are either dead or on meth in the bush somewhere at the age of 22

01:59:38.100 i don't and i think that i i wonder sometimes if that's why there are so many people like there's

01:59:46.020 a certain type and i maybe i'm probably pissing a lot of people off with this but a lot a lot of

01:59:50.160 guys that end up on the dissident right like i think sometimes maybe there's some extent to which

01:59:55.800 we're the mutants um not that not that all right-wingers are mutants but the ones that are

02:00:01.760 here on telegram on the internet all day are the mutants and the ones that could potentially be

02:00:07.780 leaders aren't here but they also aren't leading they're probably dead or in prison

02:00:12.940 like i i wonder where they all are that's what we're going to talk about when this episode

02:00:19.060 airs uh coming up next the interview is going to be with uh spandrel um and this is something that

02:00:25.720 we he's talked about with the concept of the iq shredder yeah there's other various uh theories 0.95

02:00:32.460 of his that try and describe why you know people are essentially getting dumber and more fucked up 0.90

02:00:38.600 but one of them is these systems kind of like singapore they're designed to attract 0.74

02:00:45.060 high intelligence people but put them into a system where they do not procreate and they

02:00:50.980 kind of just waste their genes they make a lot of money and then they die without passing on

02:00:55.360 their genes and they live in this sort of carnival atmosphere this pleasure circus and so it just 0.95

02:01:01.440 destroys the iq yeah and so there might be similarly a leadership shredder that's happening

02:01:07.120 where another thing that we talked about uh before the episode i think was airing but we're talking

02:01:12.440 about that book we covered on the show exit voice and loyalty that typically the higher iq people

02:01:18.380 in any system whether or not whether it's a a firm or a corporation or even a school district

02:01:25.780 the higher performers and the higher iq individuals if they sense something's wrong they will leave

02:01:31.140 first they tend not to get you know they they look out for their self-interest and they

02:01:37.220 instead of um exacting their voice they will choose exit so they will try and find a new 0.67

02:01:43.060 place and this is white flight this is a lot of things like that but typically the people who are 0.87

02:01:48.120 most capable to create impact and create change they usually don't do it on their own they go

02:01:55.780 somewhere else and maybe they congregate elsewhere which is kind of what we're talking about on the

02:01:59.340 right as well like where can we go but it's the same thing with leaders like maybe the leaders

02:02:04.320 they don't want to take a leadership role because they're we're having a leadership shredder

02:02:10.260 yeah you know because they can't um and i know we got to get going soon but i wanted to read

02:02:15.800 i hate to keep ringing the bell on the zionism thing but a lot of this book is about that and 0.57

02:02:22.300 I think it makes a good case here as to why.

02:02:26.720 Not only politically, but also methodologically, 0.96

02:02:30.160 the Straussians continued to relive 1938

02:02:33.560 when the democracies failed to stand up

02:02:37.100 to a Europe-wide anti-Semitic threat

02:02:39.860 in the form of Nazi Germany.

02:02:42.080 Academic discourse and current affairs

02:02:44.240 must be understood in relation

02:02:46.560 to that particular disaster.

02:02:48.780 And therefore, while we battle against, quote, 0.99

02:02:51.240 islamo-fascism abroad we must also wrestle with other demons at home particularly the relativists

02:02:58.620 and historicists in our universities there's a quote here from one of his disciples mcintyre

02:03:04.420 he says strauss's experience of the failure of the weimar government played a significant role

02:03:11.460 in his exaggeration of the danger to western liberal democracy democratic traditions

02:03:18.680 he never felt that the anglos he never felt the anglosphere liberal tradition was sufficiently 0.70

02:03:25.700 capable of withstanding the onslaught of historicism positivism and moral relativism

02:03:31.780 with a solid philosophical foundation and he rejected the notion that liberalism could supply

02:03:38.180 such a foundation and there he's actually correct thus for strauss the question of the relationship

02:03:44.400 of philosophy and history called for the intervention of the prophet professor which

02:03:51.260 i never heard described until this book but it makes a lot of sense the prophet professor and

02:03:56.080 like the the problem is that he's actually right he's talking about what we are talking about that

02:04:00.520 liberalism as a movement as an ideology can't stand up to its enemies really at all on a global

02:04:07.720 stage you know liberalism falls apart when confronted with the world so he is correct

02:04:12.860 in identifying that problem and he decided to fill that with zionism and that is the neoconservative

02:04:19.600 movement and to my mind once i survey the political landscape it looks like the neoconservatives are

02:04:25.940 just conservatives which is why they keep bringing up the nazis which is what like that they're like

02:04:32.560 they keep reliving 1938 they keep they keep thinking the holocaust is going to happen and

02:04:38.320 your standard conservative even if your standard conservative republican doesn't believe it they

02:04:44.820 say it and that's really all that matters it actually actually doesn't matter what they

02:04:50.620 believe because most politicians they don't believe anything yeah at least if they've been 1.00

02:04:54.840 in the system for a while they are just corrupt pieces of shit but they know they know where 1.00

02:05:00.440 their bread is buttered yeah it selects for people without belief for principle because 1.00

02:05:03.980 the democratic process can't doesn't allow you to sit on a principle you have to constantly

02:05:07.980 move back and forth where you can't win elections so no i mean they're they don't believe anything 0.91

02:05:12.920 i love that line where it's you know we're against islamo-fascism like did anyone ever

02:05:18.360 think it was weird that we had to append fascism onto islam yeah no because i remember that as if 0.51

02:05:24.780 to say uh fascism is or sorry islam is made worse by fascism yes exactly it's like it's not enough

02:05:33.260 to be against islam and there's a lot of reasons to be against islam there's a lot of reasons to

02:05:36.800 be against this or that but to get the emotional punch they had to put in fascism because they 0.80

02:05:43.400 can't understand any other type of enemy and we're we still got that to this day so that's just i

02:05:50.580 wanted to call people's attention to leo strauss and the conservative movement in america and how

02:05:56.680 i believe the book makes the case that there was a leadership vacuum at that

02:06:01.560 at that place and time that was filled by zionism and uh and any other closing thoughts

02:06:09.840 well i mean this is just without i think this is one of the ones where like there's a lot of times

02:06:16.300 we're talking about theory and you can kind of question it or argue it like this is ostensibly

02:06:22.140 a historical account of jewish action written by a jew a pro-jewish jew like not a self-hating

02:06:30.160 jew but like a jew a jew jew um so it's like i don't know what there is here other than just a

02:06:36.060 very honest admission by our enemies of what they're doing and it also reinforces everything 0.95

02:06:41.560 we already know that this is their playbook and it's the one thing that always strikes me is like 0.80

02:06:47.140 i can never really tell from jew to jew how aware they are of like the nature of their hypocrisy 0.78

02:06:53.680 whether they just accept the fact that they have a double standard as part of their religion or 0.69

02:06:58.040 whether they don't like whether they're so enmeshed in the jewish double think that they

02:07:03.420 think that it is consistent with what i mean is do they actually think that they're morally right

02:07:07.900 or do they realize that they're being sneaky i think a lot of the times they actually think

02:07:13.080 like they hold these two things like they believe in universalism and they promote universalism

02:07:18.320 but at the same time israel has to be a special place that's completely isolated and you treat

02:07:24.160 jews totally different from everyone else so anyways yeah it's just it's just more of the

02:07:29.360 same i'm glad to know that all of my assumptions were correct right and also what it it confronts 1.00

02:07:37.580 people with the reality that i don't think the conservative party can really be redeemed

02:07:43.000 because it's so baked into the dna this stuff like it's been like this since around the late

02:07:51.960 60s early 70s so to go back to rework the conservative movement you would need to go

02:07:58.540 back decades until you're essentially just a a christian moralist organization yeah you've

02:08:04.680 been loved like like colonial traditionalists and the catholics and the lutherans and and

02:08:09.060 calvinists and as as separate just like like moralist church groups that's all and that i

02:08:14.360 think that's great you know that's all you need and let's and while we're at it let's go back to

02:08:18.380 the states i mean there's there's nothing uh that tear the whole thing down why not yeah and that's 0.91

02:08:24.920 because it's like oh we can infiltrate the like i don't like shitting on people who try and do 0.86

02:08:30.580 things obviously but it really shows you it's like you just need to rip that entire party apart

02:08:37.380 and kind of just go back to if you want to go back to something functional it would just be

02:08:41.960 i guess it would just be a knife fight between catholics and protestants which we also we don't

02:08:46.840 so it's like it's but you're it's gonna seem pretty theological otherwise it's got to be

02:08:52.240 something completely new but there's almost nothing left to salvage i honestly don't know

02:08:58.440 what i would take from the current conservative movement when i hear them talk i hear the echoes

02:09:04.000 of this stuff this stuff is still all they talk about i don't know what of this i can use

02:09:08.920 i don't know what i can persuade you to make this relevant it's like the nation it's like the nation

02:09:15.800 is ftm and you're trying to convince it to detransition and it's like it might be better

02:09:20.420 if you just killed yourself i don't know maybe you're right that's i like that i like that thing

02:09:25.460 you just said you got a really good skill of putting the bow on everything thanks buddy well

02:09:31.120 tonight we're putting the nail in the coffin of conservative party so i'm glad about that too

02:09:35.860 hey guess what guys it's not so fun being nailed to a cross is it

02:09:40.240 your turn

02:09:42.720 your turn

02:09:44.280 guess what

02:09:45.620 Uteroverse card 0.66

02:09:46.520 you're getting crucified 0.93

02:09:47.300 all right 0.96

02:09:52.200 so that's good

02:09:52.860 I'll let you go now

02:09:53.960 because it's kind of late

02:09:54.800 but this is a great episode

02:09:56.420 yeah

02:09:56.840 and I'll talk to you next week

02:09:58.620 all right

02:09:59.080 see ya

02:09:59.500 hey baby

02:10:02.340 I hear the blues

02:10:03.260 that call in

02:10:03.960 top salads

02:10:04.720 and scrambled eggs

02:10:06.520 and maybe I seem

02:10:09.960 a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you peg let me ask you this um maybe just to start i'll

02:10:18.000 introduce you in a second but i just wanted to what's your and this is a big question i'm sure

02:10:22.800 but what's your opinion of china especially i just saw you on twitter they were talking about

02:10:28.760 the um chinese spy balloon that was detected over america and i just wanted if you have any

02:10:34.540 brief thoughts on what you think about china because in our scene especially there's some

02:10:39.220 people who love china and think it's going to conquer the great satan and then there's other

02:10:43.600 people that just don't like china they don't trust them what's your um your opinion of china

02:10:49.920 right so for me it's kind of personal work uh i lived there many years i speak the language well

02:10:55.860 uh you know i have many friends many relationships there so uh it's not that abstract but

02:11:04.680 And, of course, there's been a big change, right?

02:11:07.720 I was very pro-China, especially when I was there. 0.75

02:11:11.180 Because, you know, I was there for a reason. 0.97

02:11:12.440 I actually liked living there.

02:11:13.760 I thought it was a very cool place to be.

02:11:15.660 And a lot of the things that I hate about living in the West 0.99

02:11:19.360 are things that don't happen in China. 0.94

02:11:21.160 So I really thought that it was a good thing that China was more powerful

02:11:25.220 and having more influence in the world because, you know,

02:11:27.360 a lot of the nonsense that we people in our scene hate

02:11:30.120 just don't exist in China. 0.99

02:11:31.440 a lot of them do

02:11:33.740 but a lot of them don't

02:11:35.400 so I was very fortunate

02:11:37.200 I never think COVID happened 0.99

02:11:38.240 China went completely batshit insane 0.98

02:11:41.160 on COVID 0.99

02:11:41.900 and I left

02:11:43.980 I left just at the beginning of COVID

02:11:46.600 thought they would snap out of it

02:11:48.900 and they didn't

02:11:49.560 well they just did this year

02:11:51.160 but for three long years

02:11:53.580 China just blew away 0.90

02:11:55.460 all the good stuff that they had 1.00

02:11:58.060 all the advantages that they had

02:11:59.540 that's what my friend was dealing with too because he one of the reasons he left in such a hurry

02:12:04.400 uh last year was because you know in china was kind of bad with covid for much of the time but 0.57

02:12:09.980 he said even still they were black bagging people in the streets and sending them and their families 0.66

02:12:15.000 to go live in shipping containers you know yeah yeah because of the covid thing and uh yeah

02:12:22.060 again and i i like china because personally i just happen to like living in china i love the

02:12:28.880 food, I get along well with the people, you know, I think it's a beautiful

02:12:31.880 country, but anyways, but again, personally, COVID really, they kicked me out.

02:12:37.340 They literally, well, they didn't kick me out, but they didn't let me back in.

02:12:42.680 Not that I wanted to.

02:12:43.460 Really?

02:12:44.480 So was that just because of your status as a foreigner or is it something else? 0.98

02:12:49.280 If you don't mind me?

02:12:49.820 No, I had a work visa, but it expired and, you know, chose not to renew it.

02:12:54.500 Given what my friends that did remain in China told me about, you know, how life was now, I chose not to go back.

02:13:01.080 And I've been very happy since then. I don't regret it at all.

02:13:03.980 Let me ask you this. From what you know of having your friends in China, is there any movement on the ground there?

02:13:11.020 Other people wanting to leave? Is it just foreigners or do you see Chinese people changing the tone of their relationship with the government at all?

02:13:18.740 Well, it has changed a lot this year when last month, China again made an amazing flip on the topic and just opened up immediately. 0.54

02:13:29.080 It went from one extreme to the other.

02:13:31.840 So a lot of people have been leaving during these three years, especially foreigners.

02:13:36.940 I mean, probably 80% of the white population in China has just left.

02:13:41.380 Are they heading to other Asian countries when they leave China or do you think they're going back to the West?

02:13:46.540 well i mean a lot of people a lot of people will move to thailand first because you know it's a

02:13:53.380 typical holiday destination for people in china i know if you know if you were working remote

02:13:59.040 something you could live in thailand pretty well so a few people did that but most people you know

02:14:05.020 they had a normal office job in china and when they quit that they have they have nowhere else

02:14:09.260 to go so most people that i know on that topic before we get too deep into that i am going to

02:14:14.540 introduce you now. I am here speaking with the legendary Spandrel. A lot of people in our scene

02:14:21.900 will know that name. And we not long ago spoke with a good friend of the show by the name of

02:14:26.960 Clossington, where we discussed some of the ideas pioneered in your famous website. And anyone can

02:14:33.880 go look at this right now. It's called Bloody Shovel. It's at spandrel.com. S-B-A-N-D-R-E-L-L.com.

02:14:42.240 You can find all of his writing there from over the years, which is updated fairly recently as well.

02:14:48.860 He's also back on Twitter, at Spandrel3.

02:14:54.200 And failing that, you can also find Spandrel here on Urbit.

02:14:59.140 And first of all, I just want to say thank you very much for taking the time to speak with me today.

02:15:03.600 Thanks for having me.

02:15:05.160 And before we get started, I've always wanted to ask you specifically this.

02:15:09.900 because I know there's a lot of confusion,

02:15:12.860 especially in our scene.

02:15:14.580 Could you explain Urbit for a second?

02:15:17.380 What do you like about Urbit?

02:15:18.700 Why do you spend most of your time there?

02:15:20.320 And would you recommend other people get into it

02:15:22.860 or do you like it being the sort of niche thing?

02:15:26.900 Right.

02:15:27.660 So Urbit is a personal server OS.

02:15:31.300 It's an operating system which works as a personal server.

02:15:37.060 You would need to know a bit of how the internet works

02:15:39.440 But to make it easy, when you send a message to anyone on WhatsApp or Telegram, what happens

02:15:47.660 is your message goes to Facebook's servers, right, or Apple's or whoever's, then they

02:15:54.760 relay those messages to who you're talking to, right?

02:15:58.840 And that's insane, right?

02:16:00.480 If I want to talk to my mother, I want to talk to my wife, I shouldn't be, I shouldn't

02:16:03.920 have to send my messages to Facebook, right?

02:16:06.340 It's really a matter of principle.

02:16:08.020 what urbit does is facilitates peer-to-peer communication because every single urbit

02:16:14.020 user has its own server you can send messages directly to people you know you can build a bunch

02:16:19.860 of applications there you can most people use chats but there's a bunch of other states it's

02:16:25.940 still early days you know the user experience is not as good as it could be but again it's i think

02:16:33.300 think it's a matter of principle why should i send my messages to you know other people when i just

02:16:38.360 want to talk to my friends that's a great point i've been trying to get on urbit myself recently

02:16:43.740 and i don't i haven't developed the mind for it yet but i've been trying to encourage people

02:16:48.020 to even with telegram i like telegram quite a bit but i don't i don't really trust telegram

02:16:53.600 it seems like i'm just i went for the other shoe to drop when it comes to telegram it's very

02:16:58.140 mysterious why it exists because it doesn't seem to be very revenue positive either right where

02:17:04.080 does he make the money and why is he offering this free cool messaging app right what's in the frame

02:17:09.420 i don't get it yeah maybe he might be the altruistic philosopher king we've all been

02:17:14.780 waiting for but i'm more cynical than that um now as with we'll get into the topics now now

02:17:21.640 when we had colossal design we discussed some of the ideas but i'm hoping to go straight to

02:17:25.560 the source with you and discuss some of them in a bit more detail. But I think it's probably

02:17:29.900 important we define our terms. So some people will recognize a lot of the things we want to talk

02:17:34.660 about from various chats. They've permeated into the scene. The three that I found the most

02:17:40.820 fascinating were IQ Shredder, BioLeninism, and I think at the base of that is the social calculus

02:17:47.760 model. Now, I'm sure you're probably sick and tired of talking about all this forever, but

02:17:51.940 I was wondering if we could spend a bit of time discussing, maybe before we get into,

02:17:58.720 maybe start with bio-Leninism, because I think that grounds some of it.

02:18:04.460 Did you, I could describe it for a bit, but I wonder if you had a brief way of outlining it for

02:18:10.060 people who've never heard of it before. Right. So the short story would be that,

02:18:15.460 you know, there's two types of, you know, political systems, right? There's those with

02:18:21.240 close access and those which are open access you know if you're some medieval monarchy in the u.n

02:18:26.040 thousands you know the king is the king and he has his his buddies and you don't get to

02:18:33.560 you don't get to engage in politics if you're not you know family or good friends with the king

02:18:39.320 it just doesn't happen it is a close access system so everything that happens goes around you know

02:18:43.800 the king in an open access system though that we have anybody can get into politics if you know

02:18:49.240 for the rules the way the rules work in a in our systems which are liberal democracies

02:18:56.520 is that you make a political party right you join a political party and now they help you get elected

02:19:02.360 and then you know once you're elected you you do what the party usually what the party does

02:19:09.880 so what kind of person goes into political party and one kind of employee you know members of

02:19:14.760 political parties are in place in a way right so what kind of people join political parties and

02:19:20.280 what do political parties want of their staff and if you think about it it's not a good job right

02:19:28.520 anybody can it's not a good way to make money if you want a job joining a political party is just

02:19:35.560 not but it's not very lucrative and it can be it seems to be popular with particularly ambitious

02:19:43.080 bureaucrats is it though because bureaucrats make good money you know there's very high ranking

02:19:48.600 smart people in you know foreign finance or whatever and i know some of those i know they

02:19:53.800 can be very smart and competent people and they have a good life and they have to get all the

02:19:58.760 flag that the politician gets right it's a much easier job to be a bureaucrat you know it's nine

02:20:03.640 to five and uh pretty easy i'm told a politician that you know i have to do elections and campaigns

02:20:11.240 And, you know, then all the back room gossip and backside and all that stuff.

02:20:16.980 It's, you know, it's a tricky job.

02:20:18.840 It's not a job for just a smart people, a smart person who wants to just raise a family.

02:20:24.340 Yeah.

02:20:24.840 And I also think that ties into another idea that I just mentioned, which I think I'd pronounce it wrong.

02:20:29.920 It's the social calculus module.

02:20:33.700 And my summary of that, at least what I got from it, was it's something that a lot of people will implicitly understand,

02:20:39.840 where people have a calculation going in their minds all the time of their social status,

02:20:46.360 where they are within the larger hierarchy. And this calculation is different, of course,

02:20:51.920 for every country. And that having lived in China, I'm sure that you hear stories about how

02:20:56.860 people calculate their status based on different inputs than what we would in the West.

02:21:01.580 But we are always keenly aware of that. And I think it's important to remember for people,

02:21:07.580 even these bureaucrats even like the people who get it in political parties i think what you're

02:21:11.820 also implying is that exact same model is running and they're very very interested in their own

02:21:17.180 status would that be correct yes we all are right i mean the way i see this it's the primary function

02:21:24.780 of all social behavior but you know social animals humans more so because we were social

02:21:30.620 but all social animals

02:21:33.280 you know

02:21:34.320 the key to your survival

02:21:36.820 and reproduction is the status

02:21:39.040 inside the group so that's the one thing

02:21:41.000 you should care about

02:21:41.760 yeah and in your one of

02:21:44.260 there's a series you had done on your blog

02:21:46.920 titled Bloody Shovel

02:21:48.300 on the Spandle.com you can find Bloody Shovel 3

02:21:51.120 the third iteration

02:21:52.020 you have this little segment here that I think

02:21:54.840 puts it into context for people because

02:21:56.820 a lot of what you also talk about

02:21:58.780 is the Soviet Union as a great example of this in action.

02:22:01.840 And there's just a little part here

02:22:03.040 I'm going to read for people.

02:22:04.720 It's, what did Lenin do? 0.99

02:22:07.240 Exterminate the natural aristocracy of Russia 0.99

02:22:10.180 and build a ruling class 0.99

02:22:11.780 with a bunch of low status people.

02:22:14.340 Workers, peasants, Jews, Latvians, Ukrainians.

02:22:17.460 Lenin went out of his way to recruit everyone

02:22:20.040 who held a grudge against imperial Russian society. 0.99

02:22:23.680 The early Soviet Union promoted minorities,

02:22:26.080 women, sexual deviance, atheists, 0.91

02:22:27.800 cultists of every and every kind of weirdo everybody but intelligent conservative russians

02:22:33.620 of good families and so um you had a line here that i thought was so good which was that

02:22:39.240 leninism as such was a way to hack this social calculus model it was a way to take all the

02:22:46.160 people who had no status and rally them around the advocacy of getting them status and it wasn't

02:22:53.000 really any highfalutin philosophical thing. It was just

02:22:56.880 you found the human capital that was ravenous enough

02:23:01.120 to try and claw status themselves on a strictly

02:23:04.060 almost personal level. Would that be correct? Yes, yes.

02:23:09.140 And if, you know, I mean, I'm not Russian myself, and

02:23:12.400 I wasn't there. But if you read any history on the Russian Revolution, it really

02:23:17.120 strikes you, you know, what weird and disagreeable and just nasty 0.91

02:23:21.140 people were at the forefront of all that yeah and an interesting thing and so bio leninism and again

02:23:28.320 people check out the uh series of three articles titled bio leninism on spandrel.com but um when i

02:23:34.980 read it uh all those years ago i saw it sort of developing alongside i'm sure you're aware of him

02:23:40.400 edward dutton he's done a lot of work recently on his uh central thesis of spiteful mutants

02:23:46.720 And he's taking it from strictly evolutionary biological standpoint, which is saying that there's these people that are just biologically inferior, they're gross, they're freaks, they're genetic dead ends. And I see bio-Leninism as the systems model of what these people do. And you can join both of these theories. They go hand in hand.

02:24:11.400 So bio-Leninism is sort of the technique and strategy they use. But on a biological level, you just have this mass of people that are just low IQ, maybe mentally ill. And the more they succeed in the system, the more the system fails. And that I think you had stated in your blog that liberalism as a system has no way to sort out those people. Would that be correct?

02:24:39.020 yeah exactly and you know in a in an older day people who are just you know of a healthy

02:24:46.940 disposition they would just die off because you know people were poor and there was not enough

02:24:51.260 food to go around but now we are all very rich and there's food for everyone so we have a lot of

02:24:57.740 uh very unfit people around which again wouldn't have never existed though very seldom existed

02:25:04.220 during history but now we have millions of them and they're here and you know they're humans too

02:25:08.460 and they win a good life.

02:25:10.060 They win status like everyone else.

02:25:11.880 So what would they do?

02:25:13.060 What would you do, right?

02:25:14.580 This is not about that big bad people,

02:25:16.820 although many of them are.

02:25:19.300 But it's just a natural result of, you know,

02:25:22.220 there's only so much status to go around

02:25:24.060 and there's always going to be conflict.

02:25:27.160 Well, that's interesting.

02:25:28.220 Would status be a finite resource?

02:25:31.060 Because I never really thought of it like that.

02:25:32.860 But like you said,

02:25:33.680 there's only so much status to go around.

02:25:35.580 is there any system that can grant

02:25:37.940 equal status to everyone

02:25:39.540 do you think that's even possible

02:25:40.720 no it doesn't work like that because

02:25:42.840 we all want more stuff

02:25:46.000 and even if we all

02:25:47.740 agree to all have the

02:25:49.380 same amount of stuff

02:25:50.640 we do want better mates

02:25:53.800 and biologically

02:25:55.800 good genes are

02:25:59.600 I guess normally distributed

02:26:01.560 in a better cure 1.00

02:26:02.440 we all want the prettiest girl 1.00

02:26:04.500 right 0.76

02:26:05.200 so who gets 1.00

02:26:07.120 the prettiest girl 0.79

02:26:07.760 usually the guy

02:26:09.280 with more status

02:26:09.840 and the other way around

02:26:11.600 right 1.00

02:26:11.860 girls probably 1.00

02:26:13.620 more so right 1.00

02:26:14.200 girls are more into 1.00

02:26:15.060 status 1.00

02:26:16.200 or more

02:26:16.640 into getting

02:26:17.700 the top guy

02:26:18.220 so who gets it

02:26:19.640 there's only one

02:26:21.360 top guy

02:26:21.780 there's only one 0.93

02:26:22.320 prettiest girl

02:26:23.480 in the class 1.00

02:26:23.920 there's always

02:26:25.620 going to be fights

02:26:26.100 for that

02:26:26.420 do you think

02:26:28.160 and I know

02:26:28.720 this is a bit

02:26:29.580 of a tangent

02:26:30.140 right now

02:26:30.620 but I know

02:26:31.100 one thing

02:26:31.480 that you are

02:26:31.940 very interested

02:26:32.820 in these days

02:26:34.100 is genetic engineering and uh you know i guess we can call it sort of scientific eugenics and stuff 0.70

02:26:40.820 do you think that may that there will be a future where they actually by they i mean that's a pretty

02:26:46.820 broad day but some groups or whatever try and standardize eugenics and gene editing in the

02:26:53.220 interest of making everyone beautiful or making at least bringing everyone down to the same

02:26:59.700 average of duty right that is one of the things that uh gets me uh gets me awake at night i have

02:27:09.300 a friend i have a friend who is actually doing um every selection for himself uh he's tried to

02:27:16.660 conceive and he found the company he was willing to you know get embryos and choose the the highest

02:27:23.220 iq1 and manipulate it and talking about that we will agree that you know it's at some point

02:27:30.900 the cash is out at the back the technology already exists even though we can't engineer them yet but

02:27:35.940 we're going to select them what happens right now everybody's scared because it's kind of in a gray

02:27:41.780 zone probably legal so people are doing it in panama and places like that right what happens

02:27:48.500 when you know western government stopped handing it and you know they try to play with it and the 0.94

02:27:54.420 first thing they do is you know mandate that all black babies have to be 140 acres and white babies 0.62

02:28:01.140 have to be the other way around kind of like brave new world but in a racialized way that like and

02:28:06.900 for people who don't see that as a possibility haven't really been paying attention and someone

02:28:12.180 had made a comment i forget who actually did it might have been claustine actually but they were

02:28:17.140 pointing out how um hispanics and south americans and mexicans are more openly you know we could use

02:28:24.760 the word racist but they're more in love with having a white baby so it was just this uh amusing 0.97

02:28:30.380 eventuality that as america gets browner and bans genetic engineering you see south america 0.79

02:28:37.480 purposefully keeping white people alive and then over the course of 50 years south america just 0.86

02:28:43.820 becomes like white that would be very amazing to me if south americans could do actual you know 0.88

02:28:50.100 designer babies all the kids in south america would look swedish like every single one yeah 0.94

02:28:55.000 and that'd be great that's that that's our great migration through the genetic engineering

02:29:01.120 yeah and in india i mean probably india they wouldn't look like swedes but they would look

02:29:06.020 like you know italians yeah yeah and then once again the italians are just edged out of the

02:29:12.620 conversation. Um, I was going to say one more thing that we had talked about again, but I found

02:29:19.700 this fast, the idea fascinating. And whenever I explain it to people, it really clicks with them

02:29:24.180 and that it goes in along with everything we were just saying, which is the concept of the IQ

02:29:28.720 shredder. Now, uh, my understanding of it, and you can correct me if I'm wrong. Um, it's sort of,

02:29:35.020 uh, the eventuality of inevitability of brain drain, which is you drain all of the high IQ

02:29:41.880 people from let's say india let's say africa wherever bring them into the west but what 0.97

02:29:48.160 happens the the iq shredding is that you these people once they're in this system they tend not 0.88

02:29:56.660 to propagate very much they tend not to have a lot of kids they tend to spend all their time on

02:30:01.600 frivolousness and then they they kind of die out and do not over time raise the standard iq so

02:30:07.500 So these types of city-states and whatever, I think you had had Singapore as a great example.

02:30:16.240 They actually destroy the high-performing IQ.

02:30:21.040 Now, is that accurate, my assessment there?

02:30:23.780 Yeah, exactly.

02:30:24.400 So I came up with the concept after having drinks with Nick Land in Shanghai in 2012.

02:30:32.000 And he was saying how much he likes Singapore, how cool it is.

02:30:35.060 and he was doing this more abstract idea that city-states like Singapore

02:30:42.180 will concentrate intelligence and out of that good things will come.

02:30:46.820 But again, I do know Singapore quite well.

02:30:49.860 And if you know Singapore, it's a nice place to be. 1.00

02:30:54.260 But it's kind of an interesting, boring place to go.

02:30:57.860 It doesn't have a lot of prestige in Asia at all. 0.63

02:31:00.980 It's a nice place where people go shopping and it's a good place to run a company.

02:31:05.860 but it's not this beacon of civilization where amazing inventions are made right

02:31:11.940 and again even tell it and it is true that they are i mean the birth rate in singapore is very

02:31:17.220 low right it's about one so the population would naturally have every generation and

02:31:23.060 they copain say that by bringing migrants from mostly china because singapore has a

02:31:29.940 present demographic balance that they tried to keep so they tried to bring the same number of

02:31:33.860 people from china india and malaysia that they already have to keep things the same way which is

02:31:40.660 you know it's a an interesting policy but anyway they bring smart people from china and then what

02:31:47.300 happens to them they have one baby so they have every generation so they're bringing valuable

02:31:52.900 genes that raise iq and they're shredding them consistently all the time and yet they produce

02:31:59.940 gdp for them but you know are they conquering the world are they becoming big and amazing no it's

02:32:05.160 just the boring small city which makes what does singapore make again yeah look it's all throughout

02:32:13.340 time like singapore to me when i read about it's always just been this port city and singapore

02:32:18.540 is often held up as a model city and people in the west who like this stuff like look look at this

02:32:24.620 economically thriving place that is multicultural it's open to international commerce and so that's

02:32:33.400 being sold to a lot of people at these various conferences here but i think it's important to

02:32:38.500 know what you just did like when you're on the ground there but they they're not a producer of

02:32:42.640 anything there's just like a it's like a theme park in a sense people spend time there and they

02:32:47.500 get their thrills but you just need to keep on that treadmill i mean they have they have a good

02:32:54.180 economy and they have a good manufacturing sector and I'm sure they make stuff even if not famous

02:32:59.880 consumer products. But I mean, it's not like they're building castles in the sky and people

02:33:06.380 work three hours a day, right? It's a normal, it's a very pleasant place, but it's a very normal place

02:33:10.960 where people go to the office and have a job. And if they were actually reproducing normally,

02:33:18.300 that would be fine right just a good place with smart policies but i don't think singapore is

02:33:24.300 worth the burning of valuable iq genes like they think but if you're burning intelligence like that

02:33:31.980 which again is it's in short supply in order to you know build you know whatever rockets to go to

02:33:38.540 mars and terraform them then okay maybe that's worth it but i don't think singapore is cool

02:33:44.380 enough to be worth the hundreds of thousands of high iq genes that they're burning everything 0.99

02:33:50.140 every year yeah it seems to me uh from a political standpoint that bringing in high iq people has 0.99

02:33:57.900 always been and i'm using a canadian perspective on this too has always been just a wedge to get

02:34:04.320 in low iq people because you have to think in canada like we're like we want high iq we want

02:34:09.340 university graduates we want all these smart people and then you say for what because we

02:34:14.120 don't really do anything with them in Canada. We don't really have, you know, that we're not

02:34:19.200 pioneers, but we just love vacuuming them up and putting them in these positions that don't really

02:34:25.260 maximize the utility of the IQ. And then that's always used as, see, look at all these smart

02:34:31.920 immigrants. Now that's, that means we can bring in all the other immigrants. So it's almost that

02:34:36.300 they're practically from a political strategy standpoint used to just get other people in

02:34:42.160 and just never use the high IQ people anyway.

02:34:46.520 Well, I wouldn't say that's the case in Singapore. 0.99

02:34:49.540 Although they do have a lot of low IQ immigrants too, 1.00

02:34:52.140 construction workers and the manual jobs

02:34:54.680 are done by immigrants too. 0.97

02:34:56.920 And there's more of those than there are high IQ people.

02:34:59.460 But they do bring high IQ executives

02:35:01.460 to work at the banks and make new businesses.

02:35:05.000 That is a thing and that brings them value.

02:35:08.380 But again, the value they bring is not worth

02:35:10.600 you know getting smart engineers and and get them in a city where they only have one kid instead of

02:35:15.760 five yeah you had this um little another segment of your blog that i found very interesting

02:35:22.180 um and it was sort of um you were talking about how in the west and especially with liberals

02:35:30.840 they prefer to have foreigners as the servants and in these lower class and manual labor jobs

02:35:39.260 And it reminded me of a conversation I was having with my friend Christopher Sandbatch recently.

02:35:45.620 And I disagreed with him at first, but maybe I'm coming around to it.

02:35:48.760 But he had said that the line was everyone kind of wants to have slaves.

02:35:53.560 And I'm like, I don't know about that, but maybe because you were kind of saying that people are more comfortable if their servants are of a different ethnicity to them.

02:36:03.900 And I think the line you had had was prole co-ethnics are the personification of downward mobility, and everyone hates downward mobility. 0.80

02:36:13.680 So the physical replacement of proles who look like you is actually a very good proposition for most people. 0.61

02:36:20.260 You call this the housewife theory of the great replacement. 0.97

02:36:24.000 Somebody put it in French, please. 0.98

02:36:27.180 Yeah, exactly.

02:36:29.200 That was a very, very poignant comment.

02:36:31.360 Sorry to interrupt.

02:36:31.880 Continue.

02:36:32.080 this week some guy said that on twitter it just i was just pressing twitter and it came on my

02:36:37.440 timeline like i was just saying that unrelated i was like yes i said i wrote about this years ago

02:36:42.420 and uh yeah i mean i'm from europe right so we don't have like the millions of

02:36:49.300 uh we don't have the the scale of immigration is bad but it's not canada bad and probably not as

02:36:56.400 battles in the u.s but you do see that a lot and yeah i mean i've seen european housewives be very

02:37:02.680 happy with their arab or south american or wherever and you know what's funny is that i

02:37:09.780 noticed when i started seeing people use the term the global south i always thought that was a very

02:37:16.680 strange way to like introduce that concept to the conversation people talk about we need to support

02:37:21.960 the global south but it started to make sense when i realized oh the people who are saying this

02:37:26.720 are kind of grouping more than half the planet into a single class subconsciously and the reason

02:37:33.860 they're doing that is because maybe they're running some internal calculus where they've

02:37:37.760 identified oh everyone from south america is like a servant person and everyone from africa is a

02:37:43.280 servant person so we kind of see this uh that's what i'm saying you're correct i think they

02:37:48.460 believe that even subconsciously

02:37:50.780 and they can't escape it to the point

02:37:52.560 where anything south of 0.99

02:37:54.260 fucking Mexico, like south of Florida 0.99

02:37:56.720 is just one caste 1.00

02:37:58.240 yeah I think 0.98

02:38:00.560 the global south is an academic thing

02:38:01.980 it's a buzzword on academic

02:38:04.540 you know development

02:38:06.180 circles so that's probably where it comes from

02:38:08.600 because

02:38:10.080 and these people talk about countries right

02:38:12.200 they have any concept of caste

02:38:14.160 or population so you know if

02:38:16.140 Colombia is poor you know Colombia is poor

02:38:18.160 in all columns before even though you know the upper class in colombia yeah that that's a good

02:38:23.160 point um now i'll move on to the next one because i know you're very short on time so it sounds it

02:38:28.080 might seem like i'm trying to speed us along but there's a bunch of stuff that i had a lot of

02:38:31.960 listeners who were very excited about you coming on too and a couple of them had submitted questions

02:38:36.700 they wanted to ask you um and i'm just going to preface this by saying uh one of the things you

02:38:42.320 mentioned in your blog is that you started your blog with the goal of unpacking leftism and how

02:38:47.860 it has taken over the West and keeps winning. And I think that's really a central theme in your blog

02:38:52.540 about how a lot of people might not consider the left as always winning. But you had also made a

02:38:58.920 good point that even nationalism you saw as a successful left-wing movement against what you

02:39:05.860 may call the Ancien Regime. Would that be correct? And am I being fair there? Yeah. And that's not

02:39:12.220 my point is a real point but yeah yeah um and i was curious that um how this has evolved for you

02:39:20.920 about your views of the left and how they keep winning since around 2017 um especially in the

02:39:27.040 wake of covid and other geopolitical developments because i know when we were speaking in the email

02:39:31.580 you were pretty uh cynical about the future of things whereas you might have been more optimistic

02:39:36.640 in the past i was just wondering um since the your huge output in the blog how much has

02:39:42.820 your outlook developed or changed and in terms of the future of big optimistic in terms of the left

02:39:51.760 um and there do you still think the left is still winning with their policies and outlook have you

02:39:57.200 have you seen any successful right-wing pushback um anything like that or or is this is the left

02:40:03.900 still winning and winning oh man the winning by the crashing us i mean it's really bad but just

02:40:10.260 look at it i mean you're in canada right in canada you have this uh this trucker thing going on last

02:40:17.200 year was it yeah what happened to that exactly uh it was what had happened to that i think was

02:40:24.440 it was successfully rerouted because you know even when the trucker protest was going on on the show

02:40:30.180 uh we can get in trouble for saying stuff like this but i was saying that you know

02:40:34.240 what they should be doing is building guillotines outside parliament hill you know but they

02:40:39.100 they that that was the if if you follow to its natural conclusion but they were

02:40:44.680 uh the funny thing about canada uh this is another thing we bring up a lot the only reason

02:40:49.080 that the trucker protest was permitted to get as far as it did was more about canada's inability

02:40:55.980 to marshal its forces. Because you have to understand one thing about Canada, it's that

02:40:59.440 it doesn't have a lot of money. It's very spread out and the infrastructure is not very good.

02:41:05.200 So my thing was Justin Trudeau, the leader, would absolutely love to have rolled in a bunch of

02:41:11.560 tanks, but we don't have tanks. We had like three submarines and two of them fell apart

02:41:16.320 due to lack of maintenance. We're not good at it. So it was a shock to the system in more ways than

02:41:22.000 But I know Curtis Yarvin had made a comment about how, you know, they're not going to make that same mistake in the future.

02:41:29.740 I mean, we'll see. But most of the truckers were just, you know, standard conservatives who were just if you look at what they were actually asking for, they were saying, we just don't want the border closed to truckers.

02:41:43.100 but my policy was you know what you my the thing that i said was when you're throwing a punch

02:41:49.480 you don't throw a punch just to connect with someone's face you throw a punch to throw your

02:41:54.240 fist through the back of their head but that's how you throw a strong punch you need the correct

02:41:58.740 trajectory but if you if your punch falls short then the impact changes anyway that's a bit of a

02:42:04.740 a rambling thing but um ultimately i think what happens is conservatives and the right

02:42:10.700 they're too they're too eager to fall for promises and their inability to just kick their enemies

02:42:18.680 when they're down i think really hurts them because conservatives and the right broadly even

02:42:23.540 the dissident right i don't think know how to win and to win you need to be a bully you need to be

02:42:28.480 mean and i think that's what the left has on the right which is that the moment they win they

02:42:34.620 forget that they've won and act like on to the next thing there's no celebration to the leftist

02:42:40.260 you know if they ask they have asked for five dollars and you they shake you down for five

02:42:45.140 dollars they'll get anger that you didn't give them 20 and when i talk to conservatives i'm like

02:42:50.020 your highfalutin and nobility is going to get you annihilated right my argument is a bit circular

02:42:57.780 but my definition of the right is the people who have better things to do than politics right and

02:43:04.660 the left is the people who have who don't have better things to do than politics so you know if

02:43:09.300 If you're right-wing, it's usually people who just want to grill,

02:43:12.340 you just want to do your job, make good money,

02:43:15.020 and as far as possible, have the government leave you alone.

02:43:21.460 And if that's your goal, if you just want to grill, 0.98

02:43:23.740 and then you have a bunch of antifas who really, really want to kill you, 0.52

02:43:28.120 you're not going to win, right?

02:43:30.780 They also say that in China.

02:43:31.820 I mean, people without scruples always outcompete people with scruples. 1.00

02:43:36.100 This is true.

02:43:36.960 And I wonder, is bio-Leninism an IQ shredder in itself?

02:43:42.300 And by that, I mean, let's say Canada and the US, for example, that we're in a situation

02:43:46.920 where I'm sure you agree that we're promoting the detritus of society.

02:43:51.280 The spiteful mutants are rising through the ranks.

02:43:53.760 And it seems that the high IQ people in society are forced to adopt at least the behavior 0.98

02:44:01.160 of the mentally ill people. 0.66

02:44:02.860 so it is it possible that as these degenerates rise up through the ranks it actually suppresses 0.93

02:44:10.660 the high iq in a society by making the high iq people not only a bit more mentally ill but also 0.75

02:44:18.500 ostracized also they don't want to have kids and maybe they're even more suicidal do you see that 0.98

02:44:23.400 it does especially with women because women are more suggestible more more collectivistic in general 0.68

02:44:28.920 and all this whole like trans thing going on of late is mostly women being you know so i opt into 0.63

02:44:35.080 thinking they're not women especially you know plain women who probably think they are they will 0.97

02:44:41.720 never get a good mate anyway because hot girls never go trans it's always a the normal ones 1.00

02:44:48.440 and you get this really normal just normal girls who would be perfectly normal in any other age 1.00

02:44:53.400 to know they're being suggested into, you know, uh, getting, uh, sex reassigning surgery, which

02:44:59.380 is really tragic. Yeah. I think the trans issue is probably the best example. Thank you for

02:45:04.600 bringing that up where we have the numbers to show that transgender, especially in young people

02:45:10.260 has gone up considerably over the past decade. So you have a mental illness spreading that leads to 1.00

02:45:17.300 quite literally genetic dead ends and bodily mutilation and so i think some people look at 0.95

02:45:23.660 the trans issue as they should as insane but i'm like you know there's other phenomena that are

02:45:28.760 not as crazy as that but they're in operation all the time yeah i mean once i mean one way of

02:45:36.340 seeing it a bit cynical is that if this goes on the the very uh naive gullible people they're

02:45:44.980 get themselves out of the gene pool right and the very disagreeable people who don't trust authority

02:45:51.060 are you're not going to do fine you know i'm doing fine i hope you too and then i know a lot of very

02:45:57.700 high iq people are doing fine but you know if you're the kind of high iq person who does trust

02:46:03.140 the government for whatever reason then you're probably not doing it yeah um there's that book

02:46:08.740 we covered on the show a while ago that i'm sure you're familiar with called exit voice and loyalty

02:46:13.300 and it was it was using the example of firms and corporations but it was describing the

02:46:18.820 phenomenon that typically the most high IQ people are the least likely to voice their concerns and

02:46:25.920 I think that's kind of what you're describing is like if they are high IQ they have a longer time

02:46:30.380 horizon they see where things are going they tend to just leave a situation because they have the

02:46:34.760 ability to marshal their resources and strategize and so you see this even in schools up in a school

02:46:40.720 district is going wrong. You know, the kids with the smartest parents will just leave instead of

02:46:45.240 fighting for the school. And that's how the school ends up just full of dumb, lazy parents, 1.00

02:46:51.280 essentially. And you had raised a good point on your blog. And I'm going to quote this again here 1.00

02:46:58.320 too, because I really like, actually, this might have been from your Twitter, but you said, oh,

02:47:02.720 no, this is in your email, I think, but I liked it. It said, I don't want to fix the normies or

02:47:07.200 grab power to influence them anymore. We have a hardware problem. The recent advances in genomics

02:47:15.200 are the only thing that give me hope for the future. And I really like that line that we

02:47:19.500 actually have a hardware problem. And that's something that I think a lot of the people on

02:47:23.560 the right just kind of ignore, you know, the bigger tectonic shift there. But we talked briefly

02:47:29.940 at the start about, you know, genetic engineering and whatnot. I was wondering, what about the

02:47:35.700 technological solution makes you a bit more optimistic for the future right so uh i've

02:47:43.060 always been kind of pessimistic in general but kovid really made it much worse for me i remember

02:47:48.900 going going home in europe in 2020 and seeing people mask in the street and i'm going to big

02:47:56.020 cities to small cities then to the countryside and you know you saw some variety of people and

02:48:03.220 And I was really interested in seeing who refused to be masked, right?

02:48:08.660 And I expected that, you know, in the countryside, I would see, you know,

02:48:12.380 very based salt of the earth types, right?

02:48:18.460 That refused to follow the narrative.

02:48:20.540 But no, I went to the countryside in Europe in a very small fishing town of like 5,000 people

02:48:26.540 and everybody was masked.

02:48:27.940 It was like 98% of the planet. 0.99

02:48:29.500 and then it struck me we really have a hardware problem people are eating up all this bullshit 0.94

02:48:37.240 we don't need just better better iq which we do you know there are plenty of high iq you know 0.93

02:48:44.620 doctor types who are really really evil during these years so we have i mean i don't want to

02:48:52.180 save these people anymore we need uh yeah we just need smarter and uh less gullible

02:49:00.740 less collective people at the hardware now and i see that on the right as well i see i think covid

02:49:08.780 was a huge uh fracture point for the right and i still don't think people have really resolved it

02:49:15.160 there's some people on the distant right which is a pretty broad term obviously but people who to

02:49:20.060 this day still don't think covid was a big deal and have made enemies of those who in their minds

02:49:27.380 overreacted to covid and i think more i think it comes down to the iq thing like you had just said

02:49:33.880 that more than i've ever seen before i'm seeing people in our scene start to decouple from the

02:49:41.000 mass like there's no unity anymore because they've seen they're saying i i need to become adjacent 0.97

02:49:46.660 into power i can't be held down by these crazy low iq schizo people anymore and that that's the 0.98

02:49:55.460 grand fracturing i'm seeing and i wonder like i'm trying to map out like where the high performing 0.99

02:50:02.120 high iq people on the right are gonna go because it seems to it seems to model itself after what

02:50:08.700 we do in society like the high iq people sort of stratify and become their own entity and i'm just 0.99

02:50:15.500 trying to figure out if is there a future where high IQ people just leave low IQ people behind 0.95

02:50:22.060 and don't even try and because traditionally the high IQ people would try and you know engineer

02:50:27.960 and gerrymander and control the low IQ people but you in your mind that era might even be over like

02:50:33.800 there's no even there's no point with these two groups even participating with each other yeah I

02:50:38.700 mean COVID was bad in many ways and but you know if say you were a you're an American Trump supporter

02:50:44.300 right uh and then you know trump didn't do too well and now but you know trump still has a lot

02:50:52.460 of support especially in the grassroots and now you see you know trump selling nfts

02:50:59.420 and you see you know the base of the republican party is still is still for him and what do you

02:51:03.820 do with that information right how can you put your time and energy and scarce resources

02:51:10.780 into rallying these people out.

02:51:13.100 Are these your people?

02:51:14.440 How can you feel any kinship

02:51:16.380 towards people who are buying Trump NFTs?

02:51:20.720 I don't think a lot of people,

02:51:23.300 I mean, some people will,

02:51:24.220 but it's really hard to keep the sense of nation

02:51:29.580 and of common destiny after all what's happening,

02:51:33.380 after the demographic replacement,

02:51:35.380 after COVID,

02:51:37.560 after the griftification of the right.

02:51:39.520 so i see a lot of people just giving up i i think people are giving up even though they were once

02:51:46.700 idealistic because you know once we run up against the wall of just you know this is something that

02:51:52.540 even dunn talks about that we don't have the same evolutionary pressures we have people surviving

02:51:57.740 and thriving now who should never have survived and thrived in the past and they're bringing all

02:52:02.360 their junk dna and genetics with them and then if you are on the right and you are some kind of 0.95

02:52:08.340 collectivist some kind of populist you something maybe even a fascist maybe even like christians 0.97

02:52:12.660 are big on this too like i don't judge you know the lower classes but even those people i think 1.00

02:52:18.460 are pulling their hair out like i don't i don't know what to do with these fucking retarded freaks 0.99

02:52:23.520 you know and i kind of get to that point too i'm like for some of these people i'm like 0.99

02:52:28.920 especially if you work if you a lot of people on the right don't actually work so they don't

02:52:33.980 interface with the public a lot but once you do you see some people like you walk through a walmart 0.99

02:52:39.480 and go god damn it like you just i'm like i guess white people have to die now you know like you 0.98

02:52:46.540 walk through the the lower classes sometimes you're like i don't know a way out of someone 1.00

02:52:52.060 wearing like a spongebob squarepants thong to the store you know yeah i mean being white is just not

02:52:59.200 enough, that's for sure. But yeah, I mean, the locus of loyalty is, you know, I think it's going 0.97

02:53:08.000 to change. It made some sense to be a fascist 20 years ago, maybe even 10 years ago. But after all

02:53:14.760 that's happened and seen the trend lines, it's just not going to work. I was going to say, in the near

02:53:19.900 future, over the next 50 years, I know you're pretty cynical. I'm cynical as well, frankly. I

02:53:25.480 take more of a nick landian approach on things where i i kind of i see the horizon of where

02:53:32.280 technology is leading us and it's just we need to adapt because it's not going to stop

02:53:37.400 but i was wondering do you have any maybe it's the genetic engineering thing but do you see do

02:53:43.320 you have any predictions for the next 10 to 50 years about how bad things could get right so

02:53:51.240 again the right is demoralized and just not doing well the left is batting insane and it's getting

02:53:59.000 worse but yeah now we have ai now which is pretty neat so if you're a smart guy with some computer

02:54:08.360 knowledge you'll be able to probably make good money if you have a good idea you don't need to

02:54:13.880 hire 100 people from india or anything to to make some cool application and at the more general level

02:54:23.560 yeah i mean we are getting to the place where every selection is already available

02:54:30.360 even though it's kind of brazen so you can have kids and ensure that you know they're healthy and

02:54:36.040 as smart as you are at least and in short notice we'll be able to just outright change genes in

02:54:44.440 your offspring so now and once that's that cat's out of the bag you know once you can make sure

02:54:51.640 that all your children have a 150 iq under six four tall well who's not going to do that right

02:54:59.160 because you might have uh you may have some you know religious scribbles about it but you never

02:55:04.680 will not and eventually you know one hassle will do it then two or three next thing you know

02:55:12.240 everybody's doing it that's a good point and i know you probably have to get going soon but i

02:55:18.060 just have if you have time i just have one last question um that i was kind of tickling the back

02:55:23.760 of my mind uh one thing you had said on your blog was that we discussed this at the beginning how

02:55:29.640 liberal leadership has traditionally been bad at coordinating itself, which kind of leaves it open

02:55:35.920 for corruption. And speaking of COVID, a lot of people talk about, you know, Klaus Schwab,

02:55:43.220 the World Economic Forum, and the Davos Summit and everything. And a lot of people are seeing

02:55:48.700 dismiss that and they say it's not important and who gives a shit. I don't believe that, obviously. 0.99

02:55:53.580 But when I look at that, when I look at the things they're talking about,

02:55:57.180 I wonder if that is just a new way for this sort of elite to coordinate itself on a global scale, because this is sort of new territory for them and to do it out in the open.

02:56:10.640 And for dissidents and people on the right, kind of the people we've been talking about, the people on the right who maybe have a higher IQ or could actually see what's going on.

02:56:19.980 Do you think there's any realistic way for the dissidents or people like ourselves to coordinate together in the same way that the liberals and leftists seem to be coordinating on a global stage right now with Davos and stuff like that?

02:56:37.320 Does that seem like something we can even try to accomplish?

02:56:41.760 No.

02:56:42.800 The bad guys really want us to try so they can arrest us all.

02:56:46.480 I just had a friend tell me that he's got a legal trouble.

02:56:49.340 is getting charged for hate crimes in the UK.

02:56:54.700 And, you know, you can't destroy your life on a whim.

02:56:58.920 Look at Andrew Tate.

02:56:59.920 And again, I'm not particularly a fan of the guy,

02:57:02.440 but, you know, he's in prison now.

02:57:05.740 Apparently, apparently not charged,

02:57:07.580 but they can hold him in prison for six months.

02:57:11.120 So, you know, and they took all his assets 0.99

02:57:12.920 and pretty sure they're going to fuck him up. 0.64

02:57:16.280 Do you recommend people do what you did, which is move to a geographic area where you perhaps get a bit more freedom? 0.98

02:57:25.120 Because I'd heard I heard you speak on a podcast recently.

02:57:28.200 I think it was it's called like Med Hours or something like that.

02:57:33.260 But you were saying that, you know, where you live right now, I'm not going to dox you or anything, but where you live right now, you feel that you can live more comfortably and freely as a white man, a European man.

02:57:43.640 Is that something you would recommend to others?

02:57:46.280 uh i did move to so i moved to japan age 18 and have stayed then moved to china then and i've

02:57:53.800 been around the area since that's all my adult life i don't like it because i'm i'm good at

02:58:00.280 languages and uh and then you know i add that pretty easily i'm not a man of habit so i don't

02:58:07.800 i don't mind moving at all but i do know some people do right i know plenty of people who've

02:58:12.120 been 20 years in say China and they still don't speak Chinese. If you're that kind of guy I would

02:58:18.280 not recommend you to move here. You know foreigners are weird and you might not be okay with that 1.00

02:58:25.800 but if you're you know high openness like they say then yeah East Asia is a cool place.

02:58:31.560 I know people are very happy in South America and I do recommend people to try you know travel the

02:58:37.480 the world see what you like in geopolitical terms do you see you know for example the west or

02:58:44.260 america specifically on a downward trajectory and perhaps the areas that you're living in or

02:58:50.320 you recommend people live in they're on the upswing is that a reality people need to live in do you

02:58:56.860 think i don't think so in economic terms i don't think i mean of course the west in the the global

02:59:08.260 economy is going to help because i mean if ai might change things but in general terms public

02:59:14.680 finances you know all civilized countries have really bad demographics right the pension systems

02:59:20.960 just don't work so we're all gonna get poor in many ways even if not nominally in real terms 0.59

02:59:29.560 uh east asia is not any better i mean japan is effectively bankrupt in many ways uh china is

02:59:37.160 doing well-ish but again the demographic stuff is bad and they're gonna start spending more 1.00

02:59:43.420 money in the old people and there's just too many of them i don't think there's any real 1.00

02:59:48.360 emerging country maybe vietnam which is you know still has some potential i am not bullish on india 1.00

02:59:55.580 for many reasons me neither so i don't think there's really any emerging power that's got 0.99

03:00:02.700 to take over and you know should just move there and take over you know china will do okay 0.93

03:00:07.620 we'll grow some more but then we'll just stabilize it more or less the same lifestyle we have 0.98

03:00:12.080 You know, one way to look at the IQ shredding phenomenon is a genocide of the troublemakers. And one thing we discussed this on the last episode, we read this book called Seeing Like a State.

03:00:26.560 And it was over the course of, you know, centuries and centuries, various projects that states and various countries had done to try and simplify processes and help the people. And usually it all ends in tears.

03:00:40.200 But one of the central stories of the book across different cultures was that usually centralized power finds communities and folk ways very frustrating and useless and tries to almost strip them away. 0.93

03:00:56.480 And you had a comment in your blog that essentially was saying that white men are troublemakers.

03:01:02.700 White men are always the ones who reject things. 0.94

03:01:05.600 They question things. 1.00

03:01:06.500 They cause problems for the centralized power.

03:01:08.880 And I think you saw the exact same thing with COVID. It was most like the trucker protests is one example, but all throughout the world, it only seemed that the ones really raising a stink about it until recently with China, but we're mostly like white guys. And we're willing to go to the mat for it.

03:01:24.480 And I see the same thing happening with AI that I honestly think it's only really white

03:01:30.500 guys and white guys of a certain IQ that are ringing the bells about the fears of IQ.

03:01:36.300 I'm an IQ by AI.

03:01:37.900 And I think that once you get those people to either shut up or die or be quiet, whatever

03:01:44.320 the plans are with AI to roll it out to like once the high IQ people are gone, the low

03:01:49.180 IQ people will love

03:01:51.100 AI, because AI will be the only 0.51

03:01:52.960 intelligent entity on the

03:01:55.080 planet. Does that sound like a

03:01:57.080 realistic outcome?

03:01:59.860 No,

03:02:00.640 I wouldn't put it that way. I know that black

03:02:03.100 pill. I mean, high IQ people are not

03:02:05.120 going anywhere. The high

03:02:07.040 does want the middle to go away, because

03:02:09.140 the threatens. 0.94

03:02:12.020 A societal structure where you have

03:02:15.280 a very thin top

03:02:16.840 and a very, very

03:02:18.360 why the low with no middle is ideal for the for the reading class right because they have less

03:02:25.600 of a danger of being replaced but we'll still have smart people around that's an interesting

03:02:30.820 model i don't think a lot of people talk about that maybe the dissolution because the the middle

03:02:36.240 class as a phenomenon seems to be written within a very short window of time especially in the west

03:02:42.860 So there's not really this thing called the middle class throughout time.

03:02:45.900 So maybe once the middle class is finally dissolved and you only have what are, you know, the self-elected aristocrats and then the serfs of various ethnicities, maybe that is just the natural state of things.

03:03:00.720 And in that case, the people who listen to podcasts will obviously be at the top.

03:03:06.020 I mean, look at, look at history, you know, the Middle Ages, look at South America today.

03:03:10.420 You have that, right?

03:03:10.920 It just happens that the racial divide between the top and the low is very obvious, but it has to be. 0.84

03:03:18.360 I honestly think that once the boomers are just pass away, that we will see the social strata resort to that in a faster way. 0.91

03:03:28.320 Like this thing called the middle class may finally die out with boomers and maybe it'll hang on for a bit longer. 0.76

03:03:34.500 But it's you already have generations here that are feeling like the middle class is dissolving and that it's a phenomenon that they don't get to enjoy. 0.88

03:03:44.020 And then it'll just go away and things will get back to normal.

03:03:48.040 And then I guess we'll have to rely on technology for all the smart people to rise to the top.

03:03:52.840 But let me ask you this before we go. High IQ people that we're talking about, the ones who that will likely survive, do you think they will retain like will they be more interested in genetics and like so for like Europeans, let's say, would they become more, let's say, racist or would they do you think the high IQ whites will still be trying to keep like making white babies and genetically perfect babies? 0.78

03:04:20.300 or do you think that's only going to be the interest of the global south uh culturally i mean 0.68

03:04:28.140 is it a racial thing right so when an indian when an indian woman buys a skin whitening cream

03:04:36.220 she doesn't want to be sweaty she doesn't want to be white she does she just wants to have light 1.00

03:04:39.860 skin because she finds it beautiful right and and the same with the south american peasant right 0.72

03:04:46.080 When Hugo Chavez married a white woman after getting power, he didn't do so because of his deep appreciation of the Indo-European Aryan step people. 0.71

03:04:58.720 No, he just wanted a hot white. 0.61

03:05:02.220 So to what extent rich Europeans with access to gene catalogs for their babies are going to choose why their skin? 0.88

03:05:12.420 probably not right because white people are actually more into variety and you might see 0.61

03:05:19.220 rich europeans choosing you know black babies just for the kick of it 0.53

03:05:26.420 but again once you have genes you can choose individual genes you know and this makes your 0.84

03:05:31.220 eyes blue and this makes your skin that color and this makes you freckles and that

03:05:36.580 race stops matter it's not a matter of race anymore you know it's just like

03:05:40.660 making your own play in a video game yeah it introduces an interesting problem especially

03:05:46.220 for those not just white people but even black people as well who are very race conscious very

03:05:51.900 ethnicity conscious that you know is the ethnicity surviving and those is the folk surviving if they

03:06:00.640 are just made in a lab so you know would for example would a white nationalist in america 0.90

03:06:06.980 accept the future that white people are thriving but only in Mexican families like they're being 0.66

03:06:15.020 born and they're blonde hair they're blue-eyed and maybe genetically they're as close to being 0.96

03:06:19.780 a pure Germanic people as they can but because they're being essentially lab grown does that

03:06:26.320 does that make them happy or do they still see something wrong with that and that's a very that's 0.54

03:06:30.340 a question that I don't think anyone expected to have to answer you know what I mean I mean

03:06:35.360 And ideally, I do think that, you know, the whole concept of race and ethnicity is going to matter much less once, you know, genetic and doing the thing.

03:06:42.620 And hopefully the left sees it the same way, right?

03:06:45.880 And that makes them not ban the whole thing.

03:06:49.000 Because they do say they want, you know, they want a post-racial war, right?

03:06:53.880 Not that they actually want it.

03:06:55.780 That is interesting that this will be another one of those leftist wins, won't it?

03:07:00.600 That they're going to be the ones that really champion this through.

03:07:03.680 And it will be the right and the conservatives who fight it every step of the way and probably lose.

03:07:10.020 Anyway, so I know you're short on time and you have to go.

03:07:13.160 We're at an hour, and I think this has been a fantastic interview.

03:07:17.080 Was there anything else that you had really burning a hole in your mind that you wanted to discuss today as well?

03:07:24.160 No, no, no, really.

03:07:25.380 It's been fun.

03:07:26.640 Yeah, it's been fun.

03:07:27.220 And just to let people know, once again, check out spandrell.com, S-P-A-N-D-R-E-L-L.com.

03:07:34.320 You'll have all of his writings.

03:07:35.640 Check out on the right-hand side of the page.

03:07:37.780 He's got his essays on BioLeninism, IQ Shredders, and all kinds of other great things.

03:07:42.860 And check him out on Twitter, at Spandrell3.

03:07:46.880 He's on there very, very often.

03:07:48.700 And get into Urban when you can.

03:07:51.580 Hey baby, I hear the blues are calling, toss salads and scramblings.

03:07:57.220 And maybe I seem a bit confused

03:08:01.240 Yeah, maybe, but I got you, Peg

03:08:03.580 Ha, ha, ha, ha

03:08:05.640 But I don't know what to do

Blood Satellite - February 11, 2023

It's Bell Curves Made Of Longhouses All The Way Down [＂bait I saw a daze from all sorts of aids＂]

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