Blood Satellite - One Squat can Change the World [“i can become fused with redoubled ardor”]

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite we were just talking about immigration and it reminded me that

00:00:21.100 our good friend fortisax published a substack recently it was beautiful yeah extremely popular

00:00:29.300 comments likes through the roof i'm livid i think i'm gonna quit podcasting i think i'm gonna quit

00:00:38.980 his first can i just say this his first sub stack his first one his first one out the game

00:00:47.440 beloved heroes welcome to writing and now we're talking about it everybody go check out fortis

00:00:57.460 Fortisax's sub stack.

00:00:59.500 Yeah, fortisax.substack.com.

00:01:02.280 Once again, I'm going to call Fortisax's typing.

00:01:04.900 Maybe never wrote a word in his life.

00:01:08.340 Maybe never published a single thing.

00:01:10.880 Except in our chat.

00:01:13.140 With the sub stack of the year.

00:01:15.900 So I'm finished.

00:01:18.140 So I'm walking away.

00:01:21.100 I'm real discombobulated today.

00:01:24.360 Nobody ever reads your sub stack, eh?

00:01:25.960 well they don't know well i'm i'm you didn't need to bring that i need to mention that

00:01:32.040 well i'm discombobulated because i've been on a new diet i've been cutting so it's been a lot of

00:01:38.900 quinoa and chicken and salmon it's got my chakras all smashed up

00:01:46.620 do you need fresh chakras i got a pair in the trunk

00:01:50.540 It came with the fucking car

00:01:54.760 It came with the car

00:01:55.920 Car came with spare chakras

00:01:57.820 Nice

00:01:58.640 Also, as of today

00:02:02.120 There was a minor health scare

00:02:04.680 That it turns out

00:02:06.600 Really?

00:02:07.200 Was just a spook

00:02:08.080 Nothing to worry about

00:02:09.440 What was it?

00:02:10.860 So, there's no pleasant way to describe this

00:02:15.560 So I'm just going to come out and say

00:02:17.700 There was a very pronounced pain in one of my testicles.

00:02:23.340 Oh, that happens.

00:02:24.300 You probably had it like twisted.

00:02:26.520 Well, here's the thing.

00:02:27.400 So, you know, I'm there and it's just the one and it's like a dull, constant pain.

00:02:34.440 So you do what you know you're not supposed to do, but you do it anyway.

00:02:38.520 You go online and then you would Google hurt ball.

00:02:44.100 and then you're just reading

00:02:48.420 and then you're knowing that whatever

00:02:50.880 the diagnosis is

00:02:52.900 it's not going to be true but there's one

00:02:54.380 underlying opinion that seems

00:02:57.060 to connect them all which is that

00:02:58.540 your balls should never hurt

00:03:00.920 that's what everyone

00:03:02.940 could agree on and so

00:03:04.320 my mind's racing

00:03:05.660 it's some kind of tumor

00:03:07.860 and I'm thinking in the past that my balls hurt before

00:03:10.940 and I've just ignored it because I'm such a tough

00:03:12.920 guy i'm a i'm a bad boy you know and uh then of course i do the third thing you're not supposed

00:03:19.500 to do is you tell your wife and if if your wife is wife brained as mine is she spirals faster

00:03:28.120 you know within minutes you know we're trying to we're trying to expand our family have another

00:03:34.300 child so she's already talking like well i guess we can adopt you know i guess we can

00:03:38.840 i'm like well okay well obviously that is a wife core reaction yeah you bitch obviously because

00:03:46.000 your whole south of the border is going to be irradiated to shit i'm like okay hold hold on

00:03:50.520 let me just make a point with the doctor the man still got one good ball is that because i'm

00:03:58.680 thinking one good ball but then you're thinking of course you're you're playing this out all the

00:04:03.380 way to the end you're thinking yeah okay radiation treatment what does that do to your sperm does

00:04:07.820 that hurt or help the sperm uh what do i know from comic books versus what do i know from house

00:04:13.960 md um you know and just merging if it's anything like daredevil if it's anything like daredevil

00:04:19.060 when you lose one ball the other ball will become more powerful in its stead yeah like why not so

00:04:26.440 doctor fuckface tell me why not there's a million fucking multiracial doctors on twitter and none

00:04:35.960 of them are gonna hear this one they're all talking about trump all day anyway none of these

00:04:42.900 motherfuckers gonna look at my balls on twitter so i go to the doctor he's rooting around he says

00:04:49.760 well it's not cancer i don't know what it is and i'm thinking i'm like well i do have a one-year-old

00:04:55.320 son maybe he smashed my ball and i didn't notice the same way he smashes uh everything you know

00:05:03.600 I've met the guy.

00:05:04.420 He's crazy.

00:05:05.180 So I got the all clear.

00:05:15.180 But it did get me thinking, and I got to put it to the brain trust.

00:05:20.160 I'd heard about people who'd had testicular cancer.

00:05:23.340 It's very treatable.

00:05:24.360 You get one removed.

00:05:26.160 Suck it out like an oyster.

00:05:27.740 um but the option is given to you whether to just have the one remaining or to get a

00:05:34.580 replacement they'll put something in there that's yeah i can't believe it's not balls

00:05:40.100 yeah now which one would you pick and and that you hear your arguments from both sides because

00:05:46.240 one person says i'm not gonna be more machine than man you know i'm gonna yeah this is this

00:05:53.160 is me now this is who i am i'm not going to pretend i definitely would get the the pros

00:05:58.820 the prosthetic natural because i don't want to have phantom ball like you can you imagine

00:06:03.920 having phantom ball and it's like it hurts but it's not there yeah it like it would bug me i

00:06:11.520 need something also you could do the one um like the the bouncy balls that when you bounce them

00:06:17.960 they have a little led that spins and lights up on the inside like the sky's the limit like ball

00:06:22.860 technology i assume has as progressed from leaps and bounds i do not look this up i do not have

00:06:28.800 the data on what ball technology is i'm just saying it would stand to reason that you could

00:06:34.940 get all kinds of it's probably a multi-million dollar industry we're probably in the wrong

00:06:40.280 business because you'd have to ask the doctor it's like okay i want one can you be sure it's

00:06:46.120 a white one i don't want one of these filipino balls in me

00:06:56.240 i'm i'll know it doesn't matter how i'll know

00:07:03.160 hey uh while you're in there why not add two

00:07:08.340 have you ever wanted to get

00:07:11.760 kooky? I'm your guy

00:07:14.140 I need content

00:07:17.260 they call him three ball dimes

00:07:21.820 it was hard because

00:07:23.780 as myself and my

00:07:25.880 spouse are simultaneously

00:07:27.920 but separately spiraling

00:07:29.660 you do run it all the way to the

00:07:31.860 end, you write a whole story about

00:07:33.900 it, so you know

00:07:35.180 I've got testicular cancer

00:07:37.560 and it's i'm gonna get treated of course i survive in this i don't die i survive but it's a real

00:07:43.140 trial and everyone is is sad and everyone's nice to me and i don't ask for money but people start

00:07:51.780 a fundraiser you know the fun for dimes what are the leading voices in the disarray let's get him

00:07:58.660 get him some cash cup of coffee and i don't need the money because it's all it's covered so that's

00:08:05.420 a new deck you try to start a campaign and it's like get in line buddy almost every single guy

00:08:11.960 in the dr already has a donation campaign for getting his balls crushed getting his balls

00:08:17.100 crushed there's that and there's the penis flattening ones this is not a penis flattening

00:08:22.840 campaign it's a pretty uh it's a crowded market for that yeah kind of bummed that i don't have it

00:08:29.360 now but i just got these fucking i mean my these aren't great on their own maybe i would have liked

00:08:36.440 a fake one yeah i mean you know are you using it when's the last time you used it when's the last

00:08:42.260 time any well i mean used are you a hoarder when's the last time i peed yeah because pee comes from

00:08:47.940 the balls yeah am i gonna be able to piss doctor like now i don't know give it a shot

00:08:58.820 I don't know.

00:08:59.540 Give it a shot.

00:09:01.100 Just an easygoing, not at all good doctor.

00:09:04.900 Yeah, shoot.

00:09:08.980 Start pissing your pants just in silence.

00:09:12.180 You're both looking at it.

00:09:13.700 Huh.

00:09:15.180 There you go.

00:09:16.580 There it is.

00:09:17.720 There you go.

00:09:19.180 Well, if you want to know, you know.

00:09:21.100 Is your urologist Norm MacDonald?

00:09:23.100 oh speaking of which um i've got an interview coming up on the show cannon fodder with a good

00:09:33.260 friend of mine at tr hudson uh and we talk about norm mcdonald's autobiography because his whole

00:09:39.900 show is he has a guest on and they talk about literature uh classic book of some kind um but

00:09:46.980 for having me on he's like i want to talk about norm's book because i don't know if you've read

00:09:50.500 most people haven't but it's this amazing book that's part fact part fiction and but it's a

00:09:57.780 full episode of just norm just norm stuff and then stand-up comedy stuff so uh i think that's

00:10:04.340 going to go live sometime soon i had a i had a fucking blast doing that with him i got something

00:10:09.580 here i want to know what you think about this i don't i don't know what to do with this but i'm

00:10:15.060 looking at the canadian press right now a dozen indigenous-led podcasts receive funding boost

00:10:21.840 from new program do we really need indigenous podcasts let's see i want to see what they got

00:10:27.460 here cory kazoozy that is not an indian name that is that is a polish name uh host of the podcast

00:10:36.380 ancestral science which emphasizes the importance of indigenous culture spirituality and worldview

00:10:42.800 in scientific inquiry oh we gotta review that oh no that's gonna be fun you heard about this

00:10:49.020 you heard about uh indigenous math yes i did hear about that she said in the article mathematics

00:10:56.660 has been gate kept by the west and defined to exclude entire cultures almost all mathematics

00:11:02.920 that students have ever come across is european based indigenous and first nations peoples around

00:11:08.900 the world are standing up and saying our knowledge is just as good as anybody else's why can't we

00:11:14.900 teach it to our children in our schools and in our own way one effect of colonization of the

00:11:20.660 curriculum is defensive protection of what is thought to be an exclusively european and british

00:11:26.420 provenance of mathematics but in many indigenous societies mathematics is lived from when you are

00:11:33.300 born to when you rejoin your ancestors and and they're saying that you know the the way we

00:11:40.300 understand mathematics and logic is very eurocentric you know the idea of you know

00:11:46.340 cause and effect in essence is white people shit so they need to uh connection you know i'm looking

00:11:54.380 at like the victoria government here there's a lot of stuff in uh australia as well but it's like

00:12:00.520 taking the idea of mathematics which they are reducing to just like symbols and magic that

00:12:07.060 yeah this is like watching a fatal car wreck and it's like you can say whatever you want to say

00:12:13.820 but i mean those people they aren't coming back these there's no way back i think for institutions

00:12:18.100 that are far gone enough that they can undermine the very principles of mathematics and cause and

00:12:25.120 effect like i that's the kind of thing where you i for me i just close the book on the whole

00:12:29.960 institution like whatever school it was like they're you know stick a fork in them they're

00:12:33.820 done you know what like i i think on our side of the political milieu we got tired a while ago of

00:12:41.900 targeting academic institutions and schools you know that was very much like a free speech war

00:12:48.760 battleground you know that's where you had you know the very beginnings of jordan peterson you

00:12:53.120 had your lauren southerns and all that sort of the alt-light people ben shapiro right where it's

00:12:59.300 It was just free speech stuff.

00:13:01.720 And so we kind of got sick of that.

00:13:03.600 We don't really care about schools.

00:13:05.660 But I think we need to start hating schools again.

00:13:09.220 I always hated schools.

00:13:10.700 But I mean make that part of our thing, which is a big plank.

00:13:17.860 Because there's a strong case being made that the migration crisis in Canada,

00:13:22.960 from India specifically, is driven entirely by academic institutions

00:13:28.980 trying to prop up their trying to just suck as much money as they can from international students

00:13:34.140 the surface level is the international suit like the conassova college shit where they're literally

00:13:38.200 bringing kids in and they're not even studying like they're just they're they're coming in

00:13:43.100 they're doing like three night courses dropping out and now they're in the fucking job market

00:13:46.260 but the other end of it is this bullshit of um like oh they're sending their best and brightest

00:13:52.900 and we're actually taking guys that have a phd from someplace in delhi and we're bringing them

00:13:58.440 over here to do their masters at you know u of t and then they're getting like executive level

00:14:03.860 positions but the thing is and i had i forgot to do this i was gonna do a vm in the chat the other

00:14:08.240 day about this but i know these guys like these they're they're fucking idiots like high-end

00:14:13.060 senior engineers with 25 years experience in the canadian workforce and you talk to them it's like

00:14:17.940 you are you are an absolute bonehead like the only and i'm looking at your office it's all indians so

00:14:23.680 you're here because you're from the same tribe or clan as the the managing director that's it

00:14:29.960 because you're you can't even like we got a we got a uh shipment we didn't get a statement of

00:14:36.640 work instead of a statement of work we had a torn triangular corner of a piece of lined paper

00:14:41.940 with some chicken scratch notes on it and this guy is he's like the director of the engineering

00:14:47.900 department at this client company and that's what he fucking sent us yeah and it's like i've dealt

00:14:52.680 with these people before where they're so they're so high up their director level they might even

00:14:57.440 have credentials attached to their names but you'll be talking to them and you'll be thinking

00:15:02.620 you have no idea what you're talking about you're no different oh yeah a telemarketer i talked to

00:15:08.140 before but that can't be the case because you're leading this whole department right but it is

00:15:15.640 um let me just say i'm reading a article right now on the australian government website about

00:15:22.360 aboriginal math i just want to let people know what we're talking about here um and this is

00:15:28.560 official government website here using symbols and visuals to work with maths does your child

00:15:35.220 find maths hard to visualize first of all i don't like when people say maths i to me math was always

00:15:41.540 the singular and plural yeah i think it's a difference between american and english english

00:15:47.700 they might find maths easier to do with a hands-on approach one strategy that's been

00:15:53.780 used by aboriginal cultures for thousands of years uses symbols well numbers are symbols

00:15:59.780 anyway here's the learner enters a math problem via an image okay this holistic image is used to

00:16:09.100 refer back to when working with number sequences and simple equations this means the learner can

00:16:15.320 work out where the sequences are going this also applies to patterns or symbols can be used as part

00:16:20.780 of storytelling so it's right telling a story with a long division like this is nonsense obviously

00:16:29.820 yeah i don't get it you want to know how nonsense this is take all this aboriginal stuff and apply

00:16:35.760 it to a school that teaches down syndrome people would you if you were trying to make the life of

00:16:43.400 a down syndrome person better would you allow them to learn this or would that seem mean and

00:16:49.220 useless would teaching aboriginal maths help someone with down syndrome make their way in

00:16:54.580 the world or would you see that as criminal abuse to teach them this fucking gobbledygook

00:17:00.160 i bet you wouldn't do it it's like that's that amazing shane gillis bit where he's talking about

00:17:07.100 volleyball about how slutty volleyball players play eat are dressed even in the olympics

00:17:12.780 right and he's saying what you know what's up with that and then the women will say well

00:17:16.800 it's aerodynamic you know we need that for performance right and he says well how do

00:17:23.280 how do the women's volleyball teams dress in the special olympics check it out they're dressed

00:17:29.400 like fucking basketball players massive all of a sudden it's not so essential it would seem

00:17:35.120 mean and unusual to dress

00:17:37.220 Down syndrome people like that so I guess it's not

00:17:39.080 necessary to do that I guess you're just

00:17:41.300 hoes

00:17:41.820 and maybe Down syndrome girls should

00:17:45.280 be allowed to be a hoe that's not what I'm saying

00:17:47.300 that's a discussion for a different time

00:17:49.220 yeah we'll have

00:17:51.280 JF on later and we'll talk about that

00:17:53.320 did they ever

00:17:55.580 find his wife

00:17:56.440 that just really

00:17:59.480 that kind of went away didn't it

00:18:01.480 yeah yeah

00:18:02.760 we never really talked about that on the show did we

00:18:05.080 we shouldn't because he's a fellow

00:18:07.320 Canuck

00:18:08.120 and we don't want to do him a hard time

00:18:10.300 you know what though

00:18:11.500 on the topic we're speaking of course of

00:18:14.120 J.F. Gareppe

00:18:14.840 who is an individual

00:18:18.300 we've had on the show before

00:18:19.520 phenomenal interview I loved his book

00:18:22.240 The Revolutionary Phenotype

00:18:23.580 he got in trouble because his wife is missing

00:18:26.460 right

00:18:27.980 and a lot of people think it's suspicious

00:18:30.160 a lot of people assume that he murdered

00:18:32.400 his wife and disappeared her body

00:18:34.220 to them and to many people the story sounds suspicious it to his version of the story

00:18:41.420 is that what while he says he's in communication with the police about her whereabouts he doesn't

00:18:46.980 seem altogether concerned about where she is and he says he dropped her off somewhere at a gas

00:18:52.720 station in full view of cameras and just released her into into the wild right be free uh he

00:19:02.460 presumably said be with your kind um and so for a lot of people and they look at the wife who

00:19:09.740 very clearly has some sort of mental degradation going on i don't know if she's autistic i don't

00:19:16.380 know if she's just like low iq or if she's just quebecois that's something not a lot of people

00:19:21.600 talk about she could just sound goofy because of you know her genetics yeah well i was like for

00:19:29.460 all of the grief that we give him over the whole wife thing it's like oh what a strange and

00:19:33.140 idiosyncratic situation there is with his missing wife like well look jf is a strange and idiosyncratic

00:19:39.760 guy i mean have you watched his streams not not to piss on him he's just like he's he's a goomba

00:19:45.880 he's a he's a he's a idiosyncratic guy so i mean if if he was gonna have a falling out with his

00:19:52.320 wife it's gonna be you won for the ages so here we go i mean yeah and and here's my when i hear

00:19:59.440 his and we'll say it does look in some sense suspicious um however they haven't found

00:20:06.540 anything and it's out you know him saying i released her on camera as if to preemptively

00:20:13.240 provide evidence i'm like well that's not necessarily suspicious that could just be

00:20:17.620 intelligent you know i mean like so if that is the case then that scuttles that entire argument

00:20:24.240 And however, when I heard him discuss, like explain his reasoning, he said, oh, no, she can be free.

00:20:30.380 She can go wherever she wants.

00:20:31.840 She's free now.

00:20:32.580 And he kept using that phrase.

00:20:33.620 And people thought, well, that's what's he saying?

00:20:36.100 That's such an odd thing to say.

00:20:37.060 I'm like, well, I guess you've never been in a serious relationship fight.

00:20:42.020 Because here's the thing about like getting into a fight with your wife or someone you've been in a long term relationship with.

00:20:48.160 Every fight sounds peculiar and outright insane to people on the outside.

00:20:53.140 My suspicion, knowing what I do about the two of them,

00:20:57.480 is that she wanted out.

00:20:58.840 She felt, even though they had a recent child,

00:21:02.340 she felt that he was keeping her caged.

00:21:06.620 And she probably said many times,

00:21:09.680 I want to be free.

00:21:10.660 I want to spread my wings and fly.

00:21:12.340 Some shit like that, right?

00:21:13.580 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:14.120 I think I saw where she said that on stream.

00:21:16.460 Like she interrupted him and said some shit like that.

00:21:18.780 Yeah.

00:21:19.500 That's out there.

00:21:20.420 And so when he says it, when he's asked about it,

00:21:22.160 where's your wife? Oh, she just spread her wings and flew away. Like that will sound,

00:21:27.200 you know, strange to an outsider, but when you're in it with someone and like that you will use the

00:21:32.900 language of the relationship outside of the relationship, you know, but I get that. I've

00:21:37.220 been in that position where I'm like sarcastically quoting something my wife said, and it sounds

00:21:42.220 insignificant, but you're talking about a fight that might've been building for two and a half

00:21:46.820 fears between them. That's how, that's, that's how strange marriage dynamics get. Like if you

00:21:52.040 don't communicate well, you just simmer. And I've seen that with people in my family, my extended

00:21:58.880 family, where it's just, you know, they've been together for so long. It's just this machine of

00:22:03.860 passive aggressiveness where you're just kind of like sniping at each other from across the room.

00:22:09.000 And if you just go to dinner, you're like, what am I witnessing? But to them, they're not even

00:22:14.100 upset they're just trying to win a game between them so anyway i looked at jf careppi's situation

00:22:19.960 and i reserved the right to say i knew the whole time if she does end up dead but at the same time

00:22:26.620 i could say i don't know i heard that story i'm like yeah that's just like a wife husband fight

00:22:31.120 yeah also i will however say that you know just to be fair that is the mother of his child and no

00:22:38.440 matter how pissed off or you know as disconnected as i could conceivably become with my wife i would

00:22:47.280 still be concerned about her whereabouts because that is the mother of our child and i believe

00:22:50.960 that's an important part of my child's life yeah well so i agree i agree it's easy to get caught up

00:22:58.740 in drama and things and i don't want to um sometimes you know we always talk about this

00:23:03.800 stuff but i don't want to comment on it on the show because there's so much shit we could comment

00:23:08.320 on and maybe we'll do it later today actually let's just bundle it here let's just collect a

00:23:14.140 second story maybe a third at least the second follow-up to a previous episode we had uh the

00:23:21.600 developments of christopher can't well um i don't know if you've been following can't well gate

00:23:28.760 or as we've taken it called

00:23:32.120 can't be straight well

00:23:33.940 can't be straight well gate

00:23:39.160 he is having

00:23:42.020 what I believe to be

00:23:44.020 some kind of mental breakdown

00:23:46.040 on his channel

00:23:47.680 if you don't recall

00:23:49.480 on our previous episode

00:23:50.720 Christopher Canwell

00:23:51.540 notable figurehead

00:23:53.680 of the alt-right

00:23:55.380 around the time of Charlottesville

00:23:56.600 has his own show

00:23:57.520 Radical Agenda

00:23:58.660 a surreal politics popular guy we won't go through the whole thing but um he began interviewing

00:24:04.520 uh gay men that he met on grinder for his show and ever and we said hey if you're gay just come

00:24:12.380 out as gay but then he kept hammering to us that's like if you think this is weird you're the

00:24:19.100 you're the type of scumbag this movement doesn't need damn son where'd you find

00:24:24.240 and i'm like okay but it turns out since then a lot of people have pushed back and said hey

00:24:31.400 this seems like very gay stuff and he's just gotten angrier and angrier um at one point it

00:24:38.660 seemed that he was trying to interview jewish women on his show which he was trying to meet

00:24:43.720 on a jewish hookup app very puzzling stuff um he's calling every here's i just want to read

00:24:51.540 some stuff this is just a follow-up to our last expose um and i'm not doing this to be mean but

00:24:58.720 i think the people need to know um i'm just gonna reway says he says here's a great integrity test

00:25:04.900 if i tell you that i've been interviewing grinder users and getting banned banned by grinder for

00:25:10.820 doing so by the way he was he had several accounts on grinder and every account was banned and then

00:25:17.100 And he's soliciting people to let him use their phone numbers to sign up new Grindr accounts.

00:25:23.900 He ran it up the flagpole.

00:25:27.300 He blew the horn and said, I need you to make me new Grindr accounts.

00:25:35.660 It beggars will leave.

00:25:36.920 Look, I don't even know if that's real.

00:25:38.860 I'm just seeing these things as four words.

00:25:40.160 No, no.

00:25:41.180 I'm looking at the post.

00:25:42.260 That was real?

00:25:43.080 Oh, you're right.

00:25:44.360 He said this.

00:25:45.840 So it's definitely real.

00:25:47.100 guys i just need you to give me your phone he says something like i need you guys to give me

00:25:51.020 your phone numbers i'm just gonna sign it up and then i'll like take the phone number right off

00:25:54.640 don't worry about it but i really need your phone number because i need to make more grinder

00:25:57.560 yeah um just for confirmation i am looking at that he did say that he needs help making

00:26:04.320 as many grinder accounts as possible because the gay men that he met and interviewed i guess

00:26:11.760 weren't enough this is got you got you need more and he he had some cope about like it's not even

00:26:19.120 the app you guys like most of the interviews are done in real life or on the phone it's like oh so

00:26:23.320 you're getting their numbers and like going to meet them so like it's it's

00:26:30.180 all right so here's it because if i tell you that i've been interviewing grinder users and

00:26:37.180 getting banned from grinder for doing so and someone claiming to be a white nationalist says

00:26:41.760 that makes me gay you can write that person off since most people won't do that white nationalism

00:26:47.900 is a losing prospect for the foreseeable future and you should seek other avenues for political

00:26:53.040 participation so you like you person who cares about maybe white identity if you don't i see the

00:27:01.020 argument he's making here and and the reason i bring this up now is because this has relevance

00:27:06.160 to the larger political discourse, I think,

00:27:08.980 because you're seeing this occur in other places as well,

00:27:12.740 where they're saying, look, the guys we have,

00:27:15.760 we're a losing side.

00:27:17.460 He looks around as comrades and as fans,

00:27:20.520 as listeners, and says, you're all losers.

00:27:23.020 We need new blood in here.

00:27:25.060 And he has chosen, you know,

00:27:26.380 Richard Spencer did the same thing.

00:27:28.260 He chose liberals.

00:27:29.460 He said, you know what?

00:27:30.660 Liberals are more educated.

00:27:32.500 They got more money.

00:27:33.480 I want to be with them

00:27:34.840 because they look like the winning side totally principle free exactly he wants to be on the

00:27:40.440 winning side and and and Christopher Campbell has decided that his people will be gay men

00:27:46.200 which is what it led him to believe and say openly that gay men have done more for white people than

00:27:53.220 every single white activist I didn't know if there was if that was leading on from something else

00:27:58.200 like I didn't like as a standalone comment that's such an insane comment that gay men have done more

00:28:03.640 for the for the white nationalist movement than you you assholes or something like that like what

00:28:07.700 what how how have gay men done anything for i don't get it i don't i just don't even understand

00:28:15.120 why you would say that unless it was related to something else it is a baffling and perplexing

00:28:20.240 thing to say yeah and then the other thing is like you're saying well hey i know you i'm supposed

00:28:25.380 to be a dissident right white nationalist and i know you guys are too but if you're gonna make

00:28:29.700 fun of me for being gay i guess we have to pick whether we should be gay or whether we should be

00:28:35.380 white nationalists and it sounds like white nationalists are assholes so i guess i'm gay now

00:28:40.040 we need new blood and i've chosen gay people because they seem to have it figured out

00:28:45.540 or they seem to be nice also this anal sex thing they seem to really like it

00:28:50.500 they seem to it seems they enjoy it actually you know and and you know what if you don't

00:28:54.980 have an open mind maybe this was never for you i don't get this like there's so much of this and

00:29:02.180 we i mean i was getting mad about this the other day but so many of these guys not just can't one

00:29:07.200 but a lot of them when you get down and dig into the reasoning it's so left-coded like about being

00:29:13.860 open-minded and it's really it's really progressive shit like oh we have to push the envelope we have

00:29:19.140 to explore it's like i thought i thought we're right wingers we're right here's the thing and

00:29:24.400 i've said this before and i'll say it again before i set up the next or tee up his uh post here

00:29:29.380 we've mentioned this on the previous episode about how priors can and and first principles

00:29:36.900 can consume ideas that our ideas we hoped we would release into the world and they would

00:29:43.920 propagate virally and that would be enough for us to win however it seems that our ideas once

00:29:49.800 adopted by new scenes and spaces and groups are changed by those groups because they have their

00:29:55.060 own first principles so if you're a group of you know artsy girl bosses you'll take some of our

00:30:00.960 ideas and warp them to fit whatever your thing is so even in our space you know many many years ago

00:30:07.260 i was openly saying like you gotta you have to pay close attention to people's priors that's the word

00:30:13.260 i was using at the time so a lot of people would enter our space from anarchism and i said you got

00:30:21.000 to watch out for these people i got nothing against anarchists and we've reviewed many

00:30:25.480 popular anarchist texts but in my experience it's a countdown oftentimes until these people get into

00:30:32.880 really weird gore stuff degeneracy you know edgy nonsense i've seen that happen before where it's

00:30:41.300 they're the ones who always like posting porn they're the ones who like they're they they take

00:30:46.240 our ideas but then merge them into this sort of like what was it called the iron march type stuff

00:30:52.220 where it's just be as taboo as possible and then they've spiraled out expectedly into like child

00:31:01.860 porn and fucking tranny shit all the time happens i've seen it happen to a couple groups um just

00:31:08.720 like there's a lot of people who emerge in our space from leftism they tend to bring in a lot

00:31:15.020 of economic theories that's where a lot of this multi-polarity stuff is coming from globally

00:31:19.440 they're they're trying to bring in like that red brown line stuff for my money i tend to like the

00:31:26.640 guys who get here through libertarianism a bit more i find i can talk to them better i find their

00:31:32.380 heads are screwed on a bit better they they tend not to get as lost in labyrinthine esoteric ideas

00:31:40.820 a lot to them like it comes down to a few basics they just want in their life you know but all

00:31:47.460 these people who get we call them theory cells whatever you want but these people are very easy

00:31:51.980 to confuse you can get them arguing against their own self-interests very easily whereas at least

00:31:58.040 libertarian guys they're like you know i just want fucking community god family guns and you

00:32:03.800 might think that's quaint but yeah the right the right lib this was right lib right libertarian

00:32:08.820 thing about like you know like you said family guns homesteading start your own business to me

00:32:13.640 it's right libertarian but in one way all you were doing is we're describing some very basic

00:32:20.420 anglo-colonial culture that that americans and canadians share and i don't and i think that's

00:32:26.620 the reason that it doesn't gel quite as well with a lot of europeans is because there is it's not

00:32:31.560 it's almost a there's a lot of people for whom this is actually just a way of life you know what

00:32:36.040 i mean so and then you're so your your principles kind of back up your the way that you were raised

00:32:43.240 it's almost a culture unto itself it's not really a subculture it's just an actual extant culture

00:32:47.940 and i've talked about this on vanguard's journal stable and i've said it before that a lot of the

00:32:53.860 people who come to the space from the left they're trying to sell you on nouveau collectivisms and i

00:33:00.560 i've always said like the western specifically the anglo-western uh mindscape doesn't like

00:33:07.200 collectivism we like small groups and we like hierarchies yeah yeah we're not we're never going

00:33:12.320 to be like the chinese we're never going to be like that any of that eastern stuff you can't

00:33:16.940 transplant that over here similarly can't transplant our stuff over there it just doesn't

00:33:20.960 take um so like the idea of like using that imagery using that logic and like it's it's

00:33:27.680 never going to get installed on this operating system like it or not so i'm like you almost

00:33:33.360 need like in america and canada specifically like canate the average canadian like their

00:33:39.520 relationship with the land and each other you're not going to get them into this like you know

00:33:45.660 workers of the world unite sort of thing you're just not anyway just back to camel

00:33:50.280 to this is really what it is. And this is why I think it's relevant to our space, because you

00:33:55.320 got to watch out for people doing this. He says, in no uncertain terms, my plan at this point

00:34:00.920 is to lose most of the existing audience and financial support. In doing so, I plan to

00:34:06.640 multiply the size of my audience and revenues by more than 10 times. For most of the last decade,

00:34:13.160 I've worked tirelessly in a service to a cause that is going absolutely nowhere. I have been

00:34:19.080 assaulted bankrupted and imprisoned in service to that cause when while there are hundreds of

00:34:24.900 decent people with me in that cause there is an equal or greater number who would who are in all

00:34:29.140 cases much louder who are incapable of satisfaction and who are absolutely dead set on losing you hear

00:34:35.620 that a lot now you know we're dead we're dead set on losing even though we're winning more than we

00:34:40.720 ever have before whatever yeah uh these folks are not to be jewish but this is projection

00:34:46.780 Like, he's just describing himself.

00:34:48.880 Yeah.

00:34:49.180 He's describing the fact that no one gives him money anymore because he's unpopular.

00:34:55.160 But there are people making money.

00:34:57.500 There are people being supported, right?

00:34:59.700 And there's progress being made, so.

00:35:01.480 Yeah.

00:35:01.860 These folks, whether they be Jews and feds working to sabotage us intentionally or just

00:35:06.580 malcontent losers whose lives are organized like a sabotage operation, can only bring

00:35:10.920 misery to those who are in their presence.

00:35:13.220 these are guys to keep in mind because if you dangle like jewish acceptance in front of them

00:35:19.740 they'll take it if you're already trying to court the gay people why wouldn't you try and court

00:35:23.360 if indeed what you are doing is just trying to appeal to power as you see it um anyway so that

00:35:30.580 is his strategy which is i'm abandoning all of you i'm seeking acceptance and what i identify

00:35:37.340 as the winning side i guess my problem is i've heard this from other people too i don't see it

00:35:42.500 as a winning side you know what i mean like there you know what the biggest and strangest win for

00:35:50.060 our side has been in my opinion and i'll give you an example of sort of why these people are the

00:35:55.940 only losers so one narrative that has really broached the mainstream has been the incel

00:36:03.120 narrative you know i mean we kind of own that i think the right uh we own i think the red pill

00:36:09.820 stuff the MGTOW stuff you know the the relationship dynamics that whole discourse I think inceldom was

00:36:17.440 buried in there because it's like an outgrowth of all that and so I think that's actually they

00:36:23.260 tried to demonize and marginalize that in the mainstream discourse but they can't so now they're

00:36:31.060 trying to legitimize it by saying you know there's women incels too there's fem cells we've talked

00:36:37.120 with this before like remember we looked at the types of cells there's femme cell but then woman

00:36:41.640 cell which is all a fucking joke there's no such thing but yeah well honestly there there are in

00:36:45.900 the sense that i think there's probably a lot of women out there who are just like busted and

00:36:51.220 mentally ill and on ssris and you know they might approach that state differently than men do but

00:37:00.600 i can believe that i can believe that there's like a huge of like ugly weird mentally ill women who

00:37:06.980 just can't get a guy i don't know how many i don't know what the ratio is this isn't an anti-hypergamy

00:37:13.300 argument i still think there's hypergamous you know forces at play but that's how they're trying

00:37:19.440 to legitimize it which means that narrative one like you're seeing like christ you're seeing like

00:37:24.800 people like lauren chen you're seeing women going a strange direction by saying we should repeal

00:37:32.520 women's right to vote when it comes to dealing with the rights woman problem there are definitely

00:37:38.400 those of you out there who will just say well it's simple we need to repeal the 19th and trust me i

00:37:43.480 am no fan of the 19th amendment myself i think it more so than anything else solidified in our

00:37:49.680 consciousness the idea that the political process should be one person one vote which is not a good

00:37:56.400 system i don't believe in democracy like that that's that's a that came out of nowhere right

00:38:02.460 there we go um it's interesting why are you saying that now like um i think even i was talking to

00:38:09.100 meta prime and there's people saying like i think that's actually distract us from like other issues

00:38:14.120 but you know it's it's there's there's a man woman gender dynamics conversation on the table

00:38:20.580 that i don't think was on the table before because this conversation actually makes women culpable

00:38:27.860 for their role in it whereas before it was just men are evil so i'm like that's kind of a win

00:38:32.540 that's something that i wasn't expecting but that to listen to these people to listen to the people

00:38:39.720 on the right they're trying to say that anyone talking about that as is a loser as this is

00:38:44.500 entering the mainstream they want to exit it they want to double and triple down on the fact that

00:38:49.560 right-wing men are cancer. The genesis of that argument we covered on the show was Lauren

00:38:57.300 Southern and her fucking video saying that all of my right-wing trad wives, they want to get

00:39:05.480 divorced because they're so miserable and their husbands are awful. That's what she said in her

00:39:10.860 video. In fact, I would say one of the biggest secrets on the political right is just how many

00:39:17.780 people have had their relationships fall to bits but will never talk about it most of my friends

00:39:23.860 or acquaintances who lean politically right are getting into marriage problems including people

00:39:28.180 in the political sphere that are much smarter than me and will never do what i'm doing talking about

00:39:33.060 it publicly and this has been echoed again and again repeatedly by all her inner circle who are

00:39:38.500 former alt-light bitches like britney venti and and all these people and which is now being

00:39:45.060 parroted by the likes of alex kashuda and and others you know people who are big large platforms

00:39:52.900 none of whom were ever principled right-wingers and were only ever here because they noticed we

00:39:58.100 didn't have a whole lot of tits and that we were thirsty for tits so and then here we are where we

00:40:04.340 were no longer that thirsty and they're they're angry they're not getting the dollars and the

00:40:07.700 attention that they did five years ago it's like i do not accept this narrative that right and

00:40:14.180 right-wing men are more toxic you know let's start the best we're the best we're the most reliable

00:40:20.960 we're the best and then if the argument then is that and that's why we're going to the left i'm

00:40:26.400 like who the fuck do you think you're going to find over there and alex kashuta was out there

00:40:31.220 saying it's like well you know they're we don't like all the hatred towards women on this side

00:40:35.460 so they're pushed to the left i'm like okay but and oh because what she had said was i'm trying

00:40:41.040 a steel manner position was like women are highly attuned to safety for themselves and for their

00:40:47.680 children and so they feel unsafe here so they want to go over to the left for themselves and

00:40:53.140 their children's safety i'm like your children are not safe on the left yeah what the fuck are

00:40:58.760 you talking about you're not safe on the left either by the way i don't know if you think like

00:41:02.980 we're the ones who talk make rape jokes they're the ones who probably beat the shit out of you

00:41:08.620 and rape you all of the all of the ethnicities which do all of the actual sexually violent

00:41:15.080 crimes are all on your side we we actively get rid of jews who are the number one pedophiles

00:41:21.040 and mexicans who are the number two pedophiles and then blacks who are the number one rapists

00:41:25.340 we don't want them here part of the reason we don't want them here is that is the fucking the

00:41:30.540 rape and the pedophilia that's why we don't like them so like we are the only ones taking a

00:41:35.760 principled stance against this and you don't like you don't like the rough humor yeah so you i

00:41:42.880 thought you you were all open-minded people who wanted you know a woman's opinion i'm like well

00:41:47.560 what the fuck gave you that idea and here's the thing i'm not trying to specifically target any

00:41:52.860 one of these women but the if you find yourself on our side of things the conversation needs to

00:42:02.400 begin with that you are here because women have gotten essentially everything they've ever wanted

00:42:09.220 in society from the feminist revolution up until now. Name a thing that you want that you don't

00:42:14.080 have. We're talking abortion rights. We're talking pay equity. Any flight of fancy that you've ever

00:42:20.700 demanded, you got. Now, where did that lead you? It seems that the only political action you've

00:42:26.680 taken are the increasingly lenient rights to kill your children up to and including after they're

00:42:33.760 born in some places like in canada you're allowed to abort your child up to the second they start

00:42:39.300 crowning you fought for that and also the right to have the worst men imaginable into your spaces

00:42:47.000 which is the trans issue and we tried to stop you every single time and you shouted us down

00:42:52.600 and tried to cancel and fire and imprison us.

00:42:55.420 Maybe I am just a little fucked up.

00:42:57.800 Life's just a little fucked up.

00:42:59.280 So you got everything you wanted,

00:43:01.320 and that has made you miserable,

00:43:02.640 more miserable than you've ever been in Western history.

00:43:06.460 So if you want to come on our side,

00:43:08.500 the conversation starts with the fact that you fucked up,

00:43:11.760 that maybe you don't have the right read on the situation.

00:43:14.740 Maybe we don't need to be lectured, the men over here.

00:43:17.940 We don't need to be lectured about what you want.

00:43:19.920 I know what you want.

00:43:21.120 What you want is to cause fucking problems.

00:43:24.100 You just can't stop running your mouth.

00:43:25.680 I thought I was the prom queen.

00:43:28.660 I thought I was the prom queen of this thing.

00:43:31.320 Did you?

00:43:32.460 Did you think you were special?

00:43:34.940 Did you think that you can do a different type of feminism over here?

00:43:40.040 You know, there are, and I'm not trying to,

00:43:41.620 there's actually women on our side that I enjoy talking to.

00:43:44.940 Believe it or not.

00:43:46.600 Believe it or not, there's actually a lot of-

00:43:47.760 You're a little bit twisted.

00:43:49.160 I'm a little bit psycho.

00:43:51.120 i'm a little bit you know i think i think talking to especially when we're talking about

00:43:58.620 women women shit talking to women like sure but i mean i i i never get tired of saying that

00:44:06.420 you should not be subscribed to women you should not be looking for advice or takes or anything

00:44:13.640 from a woman that doesn't have anything to do with women you know what i mean because most of

00:44:19.940 What we talk about is society and politics and war and education and like women are should not be involved in any of these things.

00:44:26.960 It's a huge red flag if a woman has an hour long opinion on democracy.

00:44:32.160 Jesus Christ.

00:44:33.840 How have you not muted that already?

00:44:35.480 Dude, please.

00:44:36.600 And like and we're nice to women, actually way nicer than you think.

00:44:40.560 I've talked to women in chats.

00:44:42.280 They got some followers, too.

00:44:44.560 And they're here because they're like, yeah, women's faces fucking suck.

00:44:48.060 Kind of ruined everything.

00:44:49.940 I'm not going to tell you what to do, you know, because, you know what I mean?

00:44:52.940 I know that's not what you want.

00:44:53.960 So anyway, can I hang around?

00:44:55.700 And I'll say, yeah, you know, you can, you can, you can talk.

00:44:58.740 I'm not going to fucking put you in a burka, you know,

00:45:02.740 but that's kind of what they're saying.

00:45:03.720 Like, oh, you all want women in a burka.

00:45:05.420 I was watching a Lauren Southern video.

00:45:07.720 You got to see this to believe it.

00:45:09.520 The reason I don't want to get too hung up on this bitch,

00:45:12.020 but it's her again, leading this charge saying that I joined the right,

00:45:17.780 because, you know, when I joined, it was all about anti-Islam.

00:45:23.180 We used to lambast societies where women couldn't vote or get educated.

00:45:27.880 And now these influencers see that shit and think, yes, perfect.

00:45:32.980 Burkas for everyone, multiple wives, all of them illiterate.

00:45:36.740 I don't want to be able to have a conversation with a single woman.

00:45:40.740 Love it.

00:45:41.240 And the reason our society is better and why myself and so many others

00:45:45.720 defended the West back in the day is because everyone was educated. Men and women. Women

00:45:52.440 literally educate our children. We get dumber men when women aren't educated. Woman alert.

00:46:00.960 And a woman's right to voice your mind. I'm like, yeah, look where that got us.

00:46:05.600 Look where that got you. Look where that got all of us. What did you do for anyone? You

00:46:09.200 fucked around and fucked everything up. You know what I mean? Like the conversation needs to begin

00:46:13.720 that with that you fucked up if that's not the start then we don't actually have a conversation

00:46:18.940 and i find that unless a woman in our space is willing to start with that

00:46:23.140 then don't listen to them they're just trying to smuggle in a different sort of feminism

00:46:28.520 and tell men you know what women want here that's what they'll say to you they'll say do you know

00:46:35.600 what women want let me tell you here's what i said on twitter the other day i said anytime you

00:46:42.720 want to have an opinion on some shit post a woman made keep these two things in mind i'm gonna try

00:46:49.260 and paraphrase it it's like one uh when given full agency the only things they fought to do

00:46:55.160 are to kill their children with rapid effectiveness and allow the most mentally ill

00:47:00.320 men into their spaces the first thing the second thing is that keep in mind that they are revealed

00:47:05.920 preference machines you can understand women but you can never understand women by listening to

00:47:12.100 what they say they want or listening to them about what they what you should do to impress them

00:47:17.400 you need to observe them you need to be around them don't ever fucking listen to a woman by

00:47:22.080 saying like you know what would make women feel comfortable shut the fuck up you don't know what

00:47:26.120 would make you comfortable i don't want to fucking hear it and anyone who's listening

00:47:29.740 to a woman in our space say that you should know better ladies uh get in line

00:47:36.180 but it's it's if you go on you know any platform this is what people are talking about they're

00:47:43.380 talking about the woman question and people will say this is a distraction in a sense i'm sure it

00:47:49.480 is but to me it's not so much a distraction as it is a perennial issue that's never been resolved

00:47:56.680 yeah and and why does it keep coming up it keeps coming up not because it's a psyop

00:48:02.920 not because it's a subversive strategy to distract us.

00:48:07.100 I think it pops up for the same reason it's always popped up

00:48:09.540 is that we actually haven't figured out

00:48:11.360 the male-female relationship dynamics

00:48:13.680 or we have figured it out

00:48:14.880 and one side doesn't want to do it.

00:48:16.780 But it's always good.

00:48:17.720 This is going to keep happening.

00:48:19.640 There's that Peterson bit

00:48:20.520 that the men and women in Western civilization

00:48:23.000 have never learned how to work together

00:48:24.320 or how to coexist, essentially,

00:48:26.660 which I agree with to the extent

00:48:28.520 that the way that our civilization is structured right now

00:48:32.380 is not like it was structured four or five generations ago and we have not we we aren't

00:48:37.700 reading the feedback and like actually adjusting it in the way that we should we're just brushing

00:48:42.300 all the problems under the rug but i do think this is not a distraction it's probably one of

00:48:46.980 the most important things and we are going in the right direction right now with a number of people

00:48:50.620 like across all spheres spheres that are talking about this even if they're not agreeing like it's

00:48:57.000 actually okay to have this discussion now like maybe the way that we treat women or that we

00:49:03.120 treat the gender dynamic is not productive because that at the end of the day if we're talking about

00:49:08.820 what's fair we're talking in a feminine frame right what we should be talking about is what

00:49:13.700 works what is actually practical what results in younger marriages that last families with lots of

00:49:22.500 kids strong economies healthy children that's what that's what we care about you can call me

00:49:28.900 and you can call me an asshole or you can say it's the patriarch i don't give a fuck

00:49:32.440 i have a wife who loves me and i love her and i love my daughters and i'm gonna have more kids

00:49:37.320 and i want everybody to have a family i want all of us to have a strong healthy society and you

00:49:41.880 don't do that by atomizing women and you i'll tell you what you just said it but say it again

00:49:47.040 you don't do that by listening to women who aren't your wife or your mother listen to your to your

00:49:52.940 wife and listen to your mother but don't listen to random fucking women telling you what they want

00:49:57.440 they're lying and they're either lying or they don't know what they want yeah and i said remember

00:50:02.880 this is the great line from the last episode that i love which is the only right-wing woman is your

00:50:07.760 wife right and if everyone's got a wife then that's that's all the women right that's that's

00:50:13.640 how you get right wing women everyone gets married that's what we want that's what and this

00:50:16.920 you were talking about the whole incel thing the whole the reason this is not a distraction

00:50:21.980 is because this if it goes forward you know along the right path is we're approaching a solution to

00:50:29.280 the incel problem right we're approaching a situation where men are not like instantly

00:50:34.580 unpersoned just because they have one character flaw meanwhile women who have absolutely zero

00:50:42.240 value some of them don't even have sexual value anymore because they're so fucking disgusting

00:50:46.440 from the ssris but we're letting them get away with murder meanwhile some guy making you know

00:50:52.440 eighty thousand dollars a year got a degree a diploma owns a house has a car healthy he's got

00:50:58.240 hobbies goes to the gym can't even get a girlfriend let alone get married and it's apparently that's

00:51:04.400 his problem no the problem is fucking women and we need to have the talk about it and i was on

00:51:09.840 with kingpilled recently on a stream and this issue came up and he was it was a fantastic stream

00:51:16.080 had a great time he was make taking the position that you know men basically need to be stronger

00:51:23.000 and to get women under control and he was taking a very patriarchal view it's like you know if

00:51:28.160 women suck it's kind of our fault because that's in their nature but i had to push back at one

00:51:32.180 point i'm like okay yes but you know if i'm giving advice to a young man you know if i'm putting

00:51:37.940 myself in the shoes of a guy who's not married or whatever you know the fact of the matter is that

00:51:42.060 the legal system as we know it is tilted heavily towards female like we have all of the feminist

00:51:46.480 policies in place and the dating market is so fucked up it's like i i know in an ideal world

00:51:51.900 yes we should get them under control it's difficult for me to tell a person how to do that

00:51:56.960 given the entire system in place you know what though he is right in the sense that

00:52:02.320 And it is absolutely inconceivable to think that women are going to solve this or change this. There is no amount of talking to women is going to convince women as a block to do something about this. It's not going to happen. We got into this mess in the first place by talking to women and trying to negotiate with them. The only way out of this is men acting as a block, excluding women from society until they fall in line. That's the only way to do it.

00:52:29.120 But I mean, and so it does come from us, but I agree that you can't just go to like a young guy who's struggling and tell him to just do that because he'll end up in prison.

00:52:37.860 Or it's the sort of talk that sometimes we get into.

00:52:41.780 It's like, you know what needs to happen?

00:52:43.280 We need like a monarchy, you know, like, OK, yes, I agree.

00:52:47.560 Like a fucking a monarchy headed by a great philosopher king would be great.

00:52:53.040 I can't tell you how to get there from here.

00:52:56.100 So that's that's a nonstarter for me.

00:52:58.860 just like okay you know what we need we need to get women under control with the system i'm like

00:53:03.140 yes but i i at the present juncture it's difficult for me to say how to get there um sorry i'll let

00:53:10.660 you go no no no it's okay i was just thinking about it because we're all everybody's always

00:53:13.880 talking about parallel societies and then the praxis of that doesn't get discussed too much

00:53:17.140 but we always talk about the idea of having um having like uh affinity groups private opaque

00:53:22.920 affinity groups where people within the group can like collect discounts and do trades tax-free and

00:53:27.600 things like that within the group and of course the the dog whistle or the the unwritten rule

00:53:32.600 within the group because it's opaque is that no niggers allowed right but the other thing you

00:53:37.700 could do is say um like for example like women weren't allowed to have credit cards until the

00:53:42.320 1980s like that's probably a good rule you know things things like that like if so like you if

00:53:48.880 you're if you were talking seriously about creating systems the systems should be excluding anybody

00:53:54.440 that we don't find to have the correct behavior, right?

00:53:57.440 So if we don't want ethnic outsiders,

00:53:59.400 we also don't want women with certain behaviors.

00:54:01.560 And you don't exclude women.

00:54:03.120 You just exclude those behaviors.

00:54:04.680 You don't allow them.

00:54:05.360 Yeah.

00:54:05.760 It needs to be made explicit amongst ourselves to agree,

00:54:09.740 but it doesn't need to be written in the Constitution.

00:54:11.800 So the way I would describe it is like what you want,

00:54:15.640 because I want to be very bold and very clear about,

00:54:20.500 because you know it's very easy to get lost in the high-minded talk about this but i'm like okay

00:54:26.000 what do women want what should we do well here's a few ideas one you actually do want women around

00:54:34.540 your space your movement whatever it might be my belief is that the more you succeed the more you

00:54:39.520 will attract them which is actually what's happening now which is why one of the reasons

00:54:44.300 i think so many women are upset to be honest they're seeing a bunch of new women come in

00:54:48.180 that they don't like it.

00:54:49.260 Oh, you want them around.

00:54:50.400 However, you don't want to hire them.

00:54:52.340 And that doesn't need to be told to them.

00:54:54.320 Just don't hire them.

00:54:55.480 You know, be happy that women are around.

00:54:57.000 Be happy that they're meeting men.

00:54:59.460 But when you have something serious to do,

00:55:01.840 just don't invite them.

00:55:02.920 And it's as simple as that.

00:55:05.020 Call that revealed preference.

00:55:06.260 Call that whatever you want.

00:55:07.340 But you don't need to keep, you know,

00:55:09.040 beating them over the head with,

00:55:10.180 like, you're not allowed.

00:55:11.680 Just don't invite them, but have a space for them.

00:55:14.400 Like what you had said, first principles.

00:55:16.120 What do you want?

00:55:16.980 What do you want?

00:55:17.420 Always ask.

00:55:18.000 What does that person want?

00:55:19.860 And it's probably not something complex.

00:55:22.440 It's probably not an ideological schematic.

00:55:25.640 That's just the machine they fell in love with that they think can give them the human thing.

00:55:31.440 And sometimes it's violent.

00:55:32.720 Sometimes it's just I hate rich people, right?

00:55:34.860 Or they just hate feeling weak and they want to feel strong.

00:55:38.260 With women, I truly believe that they want social status.

00:55:43.460 They want to matter.

00:55:44.540 Women actually do want to be heard.

00:55:46.440 They want to matter in society.

00:55:48.000 they've gotten convinced through and this is where the actual subversion and the political trickery

00:55:53.120 and certain groups come in but it's like they got convinced that they can find that in a job

00:55:57.740 outside of a home and what we are really lacking is any sort of what do you call it a campaign

00:56:05.840 some sort of movement to reintroduce motherhood as the ultimate status for a woman and where we

00:56:12.420 went wrong and if people have heard me say this before i apologize for repeating myself but

00:56:17.100 where we went wrong historically,

00:56:20.040 especially in our movement,

00:56:20.940 was saying that married women and mothers are happier,

00:56:25.140 which might be true,

00:56:26.840 but I don't believe that to be true

00:56:28.140 because I don't think people actually want happiness.

00:56:30.840 I don't think men want it.

00:56:31.920 I don't think women want to be happier either.

00:56:34.060 And I don't think they know what happiness is.

00:56:36.320 I don't think anyone does.

00:56:37.840 Happiness is just a basket

00:56:39.300 we put a bunch of other feelings and goals

00:56:41.280 and aspirations into.

00:56:42.480 I really think what women want to do

00:56:43.840 is have some kind of status in society.

00:56:45.800 And they want to matter,

00:56:46.700 and they want to matter

00:56:47.520 to their community

00:56:48.200 and that's it

00:56:49.540 and motherhood

00:56:50.720 and family

00:56:51.360 used to be that

00:56:52.180 but they've gotten

00:56:52.720 twisted up

00:56:53.380 and convinced that

00:56:54.040 that's the opposite

00:56:54.980 of what they want

00:56:55.640 they were convinced

00:56:56.720 that slavery

00:56:57.420 part of that's

00:56:58.500 Jewish subversion

00:56:59.260 part of that's

00:57:00.160 feminist subversion

00:57:01.000 sometimes those are connected

00:57:02.100 sometimes it's not

00:57:03.420 because this feminist

00:57:04.400 shit pops up

00:57:05.400 across time

00:57:06.300 and across cultures

00:57:07.320 I don't think

00:57:08.780 it was necessarily

00:57:09.540 the Jews

00:57:10.160 that were causing

00:57:10.760 this thing to happen

00:57:11.500 in South Korea

00:57:12.320 because South Korea

00:57:13.920 is a nightmare version

00:57:15.620 of what we're going through

00:57:16.600 yeah and i don't think it's all jews up i think it's this is just a woman man thing that goes

00:57:22.200 back to fucking greece you know what i mean and then we we've just been dealing with it ever since

00:57:27.640 but that is what women want and that means that there's a solution to the problem which is letting

00:57:32.640 women know that you can have value in this thing over here but it's not going to be our thing we

00:57:37.440 have a different sort of value than men want and that's okay to have and the women in our scene

00:57:42.260 used to fucking know that i or i thought they did but turns out they didn't

00:57:48.420 because i haven't heard most women in our scene even believe that because what they what i'm

00:57:53.640 hearing from them now i'm not trying to really you know go after any particular person but what

00:57:59.760 i'm hearing from them now is that i'm not listened to enough i'm not much of a leader you guys aren't

00:58:06.020 being nice enough to me this cuts to that whole thing about when we say quote unquote women in

00:58:10.220 the scene we don't mean women all women in the scene like we have a couple of women in the chat

00:58:15.740 we have my wife your wife a couple of the wives of the guys in the chat they're all they all agree

00:58:22.560 with us on all of this you know what i mean when we say women in the scene what you mean is like

00:58:26.940 lauren southern you mean the women that tried to make themselves in the mold of a man from day one

00:58:34.060 and then it's like we're all surprised that when when the rubber meets the road they're actually

00:58:39.560 not on board with any of it so yeah you came over here because you thought this was empowering for

00:58:45.580 you and there was a lot of easy dick around you're probably here because all the all the right-wing

00:58:51.660 guys don't seem gay and i know it's easy to joke around about how everyone tells gay jokes and

00:58:57.320 everyone's gay but really though the people on our side are the least gay go to a shit lib party

00:59:03.580 go to a leftist party go to an antifa party look around who do you see a bunch of like tattooed

00:59:11.020 and pierced twinks it looks like a fucking gay disco wherever you go you're over here because

00:59:15.980 we're the guys who lift and we shoot guns and we don't take shit it's like everybody pisses on the

00:59:22.240 catholic church for being full of pedophiles it's like well the thing is we know about the pedophiles

00:59:26.040 because they actively hunt them down and disrobe them but you know where there's way more pedophiles

00:59:31.560 and this is proven the public school system but you don't hear about it because it's normal and

00:59:36.700 okay you know where there's even more pedophiles in the public school system synagogues like every

00:59:42.060 fucking rabbi is a pedophile but that's fine because it's part of their religion so like

00:59:46.260 yeah we you we joke about there being a lot of gays on the right because we fucking hunt them

00:59:51.020 for sport but in the left they're all fucking gay it's just another tuesday right yeah just

00:59:58.560 just like the pedophile thing it's like oh you guys hate pedophiles so much you must be a pedophile

01:00:02.400 like how does that track that only tracks if you engage in sort of like leftist psychiatry which

01:00:08.080 is like you care about a thing i guess you want to fuck that thing right no that's how you operate

01:00:13.000 you hate nazis and you own a fuck nazis ask any nazi how many jewish chicks he could get in a

01:00:21.020 weekend and it's more than a couple i bet it's i bet it's more than a few

01:00:27.920 you know on the topic of like the woman question those those are the prescriptions i think we need

01:00:36.100 on our side i think that's how you map it out i think that's how you actually create a positive

01:00:41.300 model for what women want on our side because i i think you can do that i actually don't think

01:00:46.360 you need to do the america first thing which is like shut up bitch get in a burka however ironic

01:00:51.960 or unironic that might be because that's their thing like but they are gay that is a gay movement

01:00:56.860 there's a lot they're they're they're all gay yeah all the right like we some of the biggest

01:01:01.900 woman haters you see they're just fucking gay guys they're just gay you know or they're incels

01:01:07.480 and they're just like i hate women because i want love you know that's what it boils down to what

01:01:11.600 is an incel it's because they always say oh why don't incels pay for prostitutes like they don't

01:01:15.560 want a prostitute they want a girlfriend yeah they want to feel like they guys want to feel

01:01:19.920 like they matter too yeah that's so i didn't want this good pair bonding like you'd say like

01:01:24.180 baseline what the fuck do you want i think you want love i think you want comfort i think you

01:01:28.920 want to not be alone and i think you want to be with someone you are convinced won't betray you

01:01:33.980 which is very very rare in the relationship and dating market right now because there is a

01:01:39.720 correlation to how many guys a woman has slept with and how you know how how stable they are

01:01:44.840 psychologically and how healthy that marriage could be sorry the data backs that up so i think

01:01:51.480 guys are not crazy for being concerned about a woman's body count when they're just looking for

01:01:57.100 i want the person they get old with that's all they fucking want right you know what you what

01:02:02.520 women will respect if you don't care about how they feel yeah they'll love you if you don't tell

01:02:09.460 them to shut up don't even say shut up you stupid bitch do whatever thing whatever you know extreme

01:02:17.280 thing you want to do to own the women here's how you get women don't even bother with owning women

01:02:22.440 don't even give a shit about what they say just say whatever you're saying i know you don't need

01:02:26.980 it i don't think you believe it i don't believe it this is just noise you know i'm gonna i'm

01:02:32.100 gonna actually keep doing this in your best interest you're gonna find out that this thing

01:02:36.860 make sense to you, you can, if you're going over the left, there's something else going on. It's

01:02:43.120 not because they're making a better case for women. And if you believe that now, that means

01:02:49.520 you have the wrong read on, I assume, every other issue. If that is your read on what is safer for

01:02:58.120 women and the women's children, if you think it's better on the left for you, that means we probably

01:03:03.180 don't agree on anything.

01:03:05.280 We're not going to agree on economics.

01:03:06.940 You've got the wrong priors.

01:03:09.440 You've got the wrong prejudices

01:03:11.260 for every fucking political issue

01:03:13.000 if you're that backwards and you're that

01:03:15.100 twisted up and stupid.

01:03:17.240 That's what I'll say to any woman who

01:03:18.960 exhibits these

01:03:20.620 characteristics or makes that argument.

01:03:24.240 Anyway,

01:03:24.960 there, I'm done. I'm done.

01:03:26.380 Because we have to get on to the real meat here.

01:03:29.640 We're taking

01:03:30.260 a stop at Movie Corner.

01:03:33.180 It's Movie Corner!

01:03:38.640 Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!

01:03:44.800 Good segue.

01:03:46.840 This is a good one.

01:03:48.040 I was actually going to talk about another movie,

01:03:52.080 but what I was going to talk about originally was this movie,

01:03:55.480 Late Night with the Devil.

01:03:57.700 Now, as you know, here on Night Owls,

01:03:59.240 we think it's very important to keep an open mind.

01:04:03.180 please welcome dr june ross mitchell and lily the young subject of the book conversations with

01:04:09.700 the devil i really don't think it's a good idea jack she's becoming more unpredictable that's a

01:04:14.040 good thing that's why we still do what tv ladies and gentlemen please stay tuned for a live

01:04:18.700 television first as we attempt to commune with the devil i'll just say yeah six and a half out of

01:04:27.940 10 not awful not not terribly good pretty uneven a couple good scenes um if i wasn't looking forward

01:04:36.780 to it i probably would have liked it more if i just stumbled across it but i was looking forward

01:04:41.360 to this um late night with the devil it's actually kind of a cool concept it's it's sort of like a

01:04:47.640 found footage type thing about a talk show host who in the 70s who is trying to save his show

01:04:55.700 struggling in the ratings and has an interview with the devil it is what it sounds like

01:04:59.840 sounds good as an elevator pitch i want to see that it actually becomes this more nuanced story

01:05:06.800 about like bohemian grove and making a deal with the devil for greatness and and struggling

01:05:13.440 internally with this guy's career it's that stuff's more interesting give it a shot not great

01:05:19.820 what i want i think we need to talk about though is fallout the tv show now this is a whole season

01:05:29.280 first season is available to watch right now anyone can do it a lot of people have been talking

01:05:33.560 about it i watched the entire thing it's only eight episodes you had watched it as well so this

01:05:40.540 is a rare occurrence we had both i watched the i watched the the first like three episodes i think

01:05:46.660 a lot of people were hating a lot of people were passing clips around of you know certain scenes

01:05:51.980 because everyone you know full disclosure let's just set it up you and i would be big fallout

01:05:57.840 fans would that be fair to say yeah for sure yeah i played every one of the i didn't play the first

01:06:03.680 one but i've watched enough fucking youtube video essays to feel like i have to know that just what

01:06:10.800 i was going for but i played everything else except fallout 76 you know you're going to the

01:06:15.380 show like me with your arms crossed you know i'm ready to hate this thing you know i'm ready for it

01:06:22.500 to be woke to the gills and let me just start by saying that there was a lot that i liked in this

01:06:29.940 the mission of the vaults should be important to everyone

01:06:34.200 to come up to the surface one day and restart civilization

01:06:41.140 Can you tell me what's happened in the last two hundred years?

01:06:45.140 Holy shit. You're an actual vault dweller.

01:06:49.140 I am.

01:06:52.140 I thought all you dipshits were dead.

01:06:56.140 I've had a rough week.

01:06:58.140 Practically every person I've met up here was trying to kill me.

01:07:01.140 I'm simply going to harvest your organs.

01:07:06.140 You need to go home.

01:07:08.140 you come from a world of rules of laws you should not be alone

01:07:15.920 now would you agree what what were your first thoughts let's say the first episode

01:07:21.520 because the first scene of the first episode with walter goggins like the flashback scene

01:07:27.460 to when the bombs drop i thought that was a phenomenal setup i thought it was well acted

01:07:33.780 i thought it was emotionally resonant like that really got me into i'm like yeah this is this is

01:07:39.240 something that's going to be good by the end of the first episode i was really excited to watch

01:07:44.440 the show i was happy with a lot of the stuff i saw what was your when you're going into this

01:07:49.620 what's your take same same like i felt like i told you my one feeling running through the whole

01:07:54.200 thing so far is kind of getting hoodwinked in the sense that there's the there is the the you know

01:08:00.160 race baiting gender baiting woke shit a little bit of it but every single time that they include

01:08:06.080 it it's like counterbalanced with something that's almost kind of right-coded about masculinity or

01:08:12.340 hierarchy or values meritocracy and like okay i'm i want to like this now but you made the kid black

01:08:22.880 you know what i mean or like i want to like the the relationship between what is it maximus and

01:08:27.960 the like i like that when he's at the base but his best friend is it like an empty uh uh female to

01:08:34.780 male tranny and i don't think they're even calling that out in the show i think they just chose an

01:08:39.340 ftm actor actress to play that character and it's like well that was an obvious choice that you did

01:08:46.260 that but also i i still like the writing so i don't know yeah that one especially so we're

01:08:54.380 talking about there's a black character right you see him in the trailer you're expecting like a

01:08:59.160 finn from the new star wars right you think but he's yeah but he's actually really interesting

01:09:05.480 i actually like this character because he's flawed he's coldly ambitious he's kind of insane

01:09:13.240 he's driven by revenge he's in the brotherhood of steel and he sucks like he's he's always getting

01:09:19.360 beat up because he's actually kind of weak and he's stupid he's they're making fun of him for

01:09:24.020 being stupid and he's act he is actually dumb and uh he's a coward and they go it was not not

01:09:30.180 a total coward but he's a bit of a coward like he's not he's not the what you would expect them

01:09:34.500 to write so and they play him dumb to the actor the black guy they got to play him he's very good

01:09:40.500 at telegraphing that he's kind of simple he's a meathead yeah and there's little things in the

01:09:46.900 show that i noticed that i liked because brotherhood steel they got the power armor in the

01:09:50.820 show and you'll notice um later on in the series when he's not in the power armor he actually walks

01:09:57.580 like he is in the power armor like his arms out like there's a gate that you get when you walk

01:10:02.940 the power but that's like a little thing i'm like you would though wouldn't you yeah if you spend

01:10:06.780 all your time in this i've been living it for days at a time i bet outside of it you kind of walk

01:10:11.180 fucked up the fact that they did that i'm like that's really cool there's little details like

01:10:15.560 that i loved i liked his i actually like his character yeah and the thing is sorry i was i

01:10:21.680 just you were probably gonna bring this up but he he he kills one of the he kills his knight who

01:10:27.540 he's supposed to be squire to he kills the knight and i'm like oh it's gonna be a fucking white guy

01:10:31.600 it's gonna be the black guy kills the white guy because this guy is like like a shit talking him

01:10:36.840 and being so fucking awful and corrupt and they take the helmet off it's fucking michael rapaport

01:10:42.600 and i'm like oh please fucking please kill him please fucking kill him and he killed him

01:10:47.780 it's great so yeah it's like i don't really want to like this this black main character

01:10:52.260 but he's like the most hated jew ever is the bad guy and then you killed him all right and i see

01:10:57.360 that i'm like is this for me yeah i mean it's stuff like that like you you got like he's dying

01:11:03.940 in pain and agony and shit talking like you're a piece of shit i never should dress you give me

01:11:08.680 the stim pack fuck you ah they're gonna hang you son of a bitch give me the stim pack it's like

01:11:13.460 just dies after being mauled by a mutant bear i'm like someone in here did this for me specifically

01:11:20.900 yeah yeah but then you look at the show and like visually spot on great looks like fallout it's

01:11:28.060 it's bright where it needs to be it it's got the cgi's pretty good um like all the complaints i

01:11:36.760 heard are very very minor it's like oh she goes to the town of philly and it's way more it's like

01:11:42.720 a junk town which is even worse than junk town and follow what i'm like this doesn't matter

01:11:46.800 it actually looks like the first time to get to in fallout 3 the one in that big crater

01:11:51.100 yeah yeah i think they designed it after that so the other the other thing is is that i heard

01:11:56.140 somebody saying like oh it's very green for a fallout game it's like well you haven't i guess

01:12:00.540 you haven't played a lot of fallout then because there's there's loads of incident there's loads

01:12:04.920 of instances where there's trees it's just areas that were bombed are a desert and then there's

01:12:09.400 areas that were less bombed there's fucking jungles and boreal forest and like it it's a

01:12:16.520 stupid it's a stupid complaint yeah like even i'm trying to think like even new vegas when you go

01:12:21.380 into the honest arts honest hearts place i'm like i think there's trees in there too well

01:12:26.440 you know vegas was one that vegas and fallout 3 were both really bleak but even fallout 3 i think

01:12:30.840 west side of the map we went up into the mountains and there were trees i believe but then

01:12:34.860 fallout 4 there's jungles and swamps and shit in there and then fallout 2 there's a whole section

01:12:40.940 in it that's like a verdant forest and you're so i mean it's whatever yeah it's like people

01:12:47.560 who didn't play the game and to me even the dumb parts of the show were just like the dumb parts

01:12:53.540 of the games because let's keep in mind these aren't perfect games oh no you know the old ones

01:12:57.820 especially were absolutely atrociously written and tongue-in-cheek like they were no they did

01:13:02.300 not take themselves seriously at all there's a macguffin in this you don't really know what it

01:13:06.520 is um i'll spoil it a bit that there's this uh chip that holds the secret to cold fusion which

01:13:14.160 can bring energy to the entire wasteland and it's just this one thing he defined and you know they're

01:13:21.300 like oh like it would just be one thing but that's like the water chip from fallout one like there's

01:13:25.000 always some massive technology that you just need to pull a lever to get going that's fallout you

01:13:30.500 know there's dumb characters in fallout um there's just some things that are just kind of wallpapered

01:13:36.040 over it whatever you know and but then there's all these like random encounters in the show

01:13:41.240 that i'm like that's like directly from fallout 4 or new vegas or anything where they you just

01:13:46.800 meet a weird character someone who's insane and we just spend a scene with them and like this is

01:13:53.300 this is like this reminds me exactly of something that happened even the main character oh no it's

01:13:58.720 a woman okay i get hey hey yes i get it turns out she's a pretty good character and she's not a

01:14:06.640 mary sue she's not overpowered she's naive she gets her ass kicked constantly she's i'm only on

01:14:13.300 episode three she spent most of it like in chains being dragged around by other characters because

01:14:17.500 she's so fucking incompetent yeah yeah and you watch her kind of get better though which is what

01:14:22.340 happens in the fucking game she gets a bit harder it gets but they also write in why she knows how

01:14:27.940 to use a gun because she was taught by her father in the vault and you know that all that stuff it

01:14:34.240 worked for me i'm like and then you know the the very first episode where there's like the raider

01:14:39.060 assault like that's pretty fucking bleak and brutal too like there's some some really some

01:14:43.940 horrible things that happen in the game in the uh the series i will say before you know not to spend

01:14:49.760 too too long on this the last episode of this i would the last episode is so bad it might

01:14:58.780 retroactively ruin the whole show for me oh no you haven't seen this far yet and so when i say

01:15:05.440 oh you'll get there i even hesitate to recommend it because the the journey to get there the best

01:15:12.200 parts are at the start i think it kind of misses the mark in the middle it feels like it's spinning

01:15:19.640 its wheels you get the sense that they're you know within the story they're you following a

01:15:25.100 bunch of characters so you're following this vault dweller woman who's searching for her father

01:15:29.620 then you're also following this brotherhood of steel character the black guy which i think they

01:15:34.840 needed to do because i never found the brotherhood of steel very interesting frankly just as a group

01:15:39.720 as a faction whatever they actually made it interesting in this which was good for them

01:15:44.160 then you're also following uh walter goggins's character who's probably the most interesting one

01:15:48.740 uh who's at like a gunslinger anti-hero ghoul and they're all searching for the same thing

01:15:54.960 so their paths converge at frequent times but then there's also this sort of appendage story

01:16:00.400 which is following the girl's uh brother in the vault that she just left and uncovering

01:16:06.420 the vault tech conspiracy that that thing seemed kind of aimless you know that that drags on a lot

01:16:14.880 um i i think they probably could have done without that because that's there's some really

01:16:20.320 uninteresting shit that happens there um so the girls uh her father is kidnapped by raiders who

01:16:28.060 invade the vault um and she goes to venture out to rescue him fine enough plot is taken by this

01:16:33.860 black woman who's like a the leader of the raiders who seems to recognize her which is actually

01:16:40.060 similar to fallout 4 actually if anyone remembers that so you go out and then i'm gonna just spoil

01:16:47.520 the ending throughout the show there's all these flashbacks to the time before the war starring

01:16:53.520 walter goggins that those might be the best parts of the show where it shows him as an actor

01:16:59.520 a former marine a veteran who's just a cowboy on tv who gets recruited to vault tech to like sell

01:17:07.020 these vaults to the american public um but then there's all these like capitalist versus communists

01:17:12.960 overtones in there um and for the most part it doesn't it seems something like bioshock infinite

01:17:19.680 that game where it's like both sides seem kind of flawed both seem bad there's no clear cartoonish

01:17:26.400 villain in this exchange yet but the black woman who's the villain she's very clearly the communist

01:17:33.180 and she's against vault tech and i'm not going to go through the whole thing there

01:17:37.280 she the technology is that she has some kind of life rejuvenation technology so she's lived

01:17:45.160 200 years without being a ghoul without being an irradiated monster like okay they kind of skim

01:17:51.100 over that part so she's in the past flashbacks eventually then in the present she's still a

01:17:56.300 communist it turns out that she's the good guy the whole time not only is she the good guy not

01:18:02.640 only is she not the villain she's the only good person perhaps the only good person in the show

01:18:07.760 as an unashamed communist who just wants to give free energy to the entire wasteland with this

01:18:14.400 cold fusion technology which she invented and she's also a lesbian oh no and it turns out that

01:18:23.880 the the girl's father that she's trying to rescue is actually the bad guy just it's twist upon twist

01:18:30.800 and i'm like you know what like not only was not only was it sloppy it seemed sudden it seemed not

01:18:37.840 well thought out do you think the show was too good and it got cut at the last minute they had

01:18:42.640 to like dice it all up to make it to put it back in line because that sounds to me the the reason

01:18:48.180 that i was worried about the show is because bethesda is involved obviously they own the

01:18:51.440 license and but the last two bethesda games have been almost unplayably woke and gay and i was

01:18:57.680 expecting this to be on and that's it that's exactly in line with a recent bethesda plot

01:19:02.760 it's like actually the black lesbian communist who's immortal and does all these horrible things

01:19:08.100 she's totally blameless and is actually the only good person in fact she's the only good person

01:19:13.060 she's the only good person on in america at that point in a world where everyone is complicated

01:19:19.880 everyone is even though they're well-intentioned they do bad things not her not her she makes

01:19:26.120 utopias and only her her capitalist the girl's capitalistic father is the only evil one but

01:19:33.000 there there is um a part that people might have gotten pissed off at because the story eventually

01:19:38.800 leads to a point where they're saying that vault tech teamed up with all the other top corporations

01:19:44.840 in america that they'll be the the rep cons the robcos you know the ones you see from the game

01:19:51.900 So they're all sitting around this big, you know, big shadowy room on round-to-round table.

01:19:57.360 They're basically saying that, you know, nuclear war, we're anticipating it, but these peace talks between America and Russia and China are going too well.

01:20:08.440 We actually want to instigate a nuclear war.

01:20:12.520 So the idea is that all these private corporations essentially caused the war, the nuclear war.

01:20:19.880 Oh, that's so stupid.

01:20:22.420 That's so fucking stupid.

01:20:24.020 What's interesting is that this dialogue that's delivered during the scene,

01:20:28.440 I think it's supposed to be the writers critiquing capitalism.

01:20:32.340 But if you're Spurgs like us and our listeners,

01:20:37.400 if you listen to what they're saying,

01:20:38.560 it's actually a critique on socialism because what they're arguing for is

01:20:43.180 being a monopoly and creating controlled scientific environments to

01:20:49.720 create the best humanity

01:20:51.820 possible and solve all their materialistic

01:20:54.020 needs. Like, if you actually listen

01:20:55.820 to it, you're like, oh, that's actually more... Total

01:20:57.680 top-down centralized control,

01:20:59.700 zero market forces whatsoever.

01:21:02.460 Yeah, that's true. It's not fucking capitalist.

01:21:03.520 We'll be the new socialist government, but

01:21:05.800 then I thought... Just because they're out of boardroom

01:21:07.760 doesn't mean, like, oh my god.

01:21:09.920 And I'm looking at that, I'm like, that's more of a critique

01:21:11.700 of socialism, but I think the writers are too

01:21:13.740 stupid to know that.

01:21:15.960 You know what I mean? Like, I think they use the word

01:21:17.820 monopoly so they call monopoly means capitalism it's like not actually you know what how much of

01:21:22.620 this show that i like is because you're too stupid to know that it's that's a thing that i like you

01:21:28.640 know what i mean because there's a whole scene earlier in it that really condemns scientists

01:21:33.260 like there's so many jabs at scientists who think they're making the perfect society that ends up

01:21:38.800 overwhelming them right and there's even like a scene where like a black scientist is like

01:21:43.740 leaving his last recording into the camera he's like i don't want this failure to be a mark

01:21:49.860 against our belief in a a society controlled by us scientists like even that's kind of on the nose

01:21:56.860 i'm like okay so they're making fun of scientism here it's kind of our thing but then it slaps you

01:22:04.160 with that and then the last episode i'm like i don't know it seemed because then the father they

01:22:08.800 set up season two you know the father gets away he dons a suit of the t60 power armor and flees

01:22:15.460 right and then it all happens so fast the last scene you see is him jogging up to the edge of

01:22:21.020 the cliff looks out over the cliff new vegas so i'm like okay so he ran all the way to new vegas

01:22:28.960 what but it's like that that disconnect i'm like oh you just needed that seat how much of this

01:22:34.340 was you just needed it to make none of this feels natural it doesn't feel earned it feels like you

01:22:41.500 slap this together anyway like that that shit drove me up the wall to where i'm like fuck maybe

01:22:48.020 i don't like the rest of the show you know what i mean yeah like like if westworld season two

01:22:53.500 is so bad like fuck maybe i didn't like season one can i just like one can i like one season

01:22:59.720 of a show if the rest of them are so bad or is that just a misfire on there a misfire that i enjoy

01:23:05.760 anyway but but again i'm looking at the show i'm like there's a lot here i like but

01:23:10.940 like the woke stuff is one thing it's not obviously woke and that's the problem and you

01:23:18.020 had said like there's like you're watching it and you get the sense that i'm being hoodwinked

01:23:22.720 you get the sense that something's going on here there's a lot of stuff i like but

01:23:27.340 i shouldn't you know and i think the reason is i think the writers actually were just that bad

01:23:33.460 they accidentally nailed a few key things that follow that's like but there i have a feeling

01:23:40.580 that season two is going to just be a shit show that's my gut feeling like i don't know what

01:23:46.980 they're going to do to new vegas i i think bethesda are going to be passive aggressive

01:23:51.600 jeez and now i gotta go watch the rest of it fuck i i'd say go ahead especially you know the

01:23:59.160 there's some good stuff in there especially walter god i mean i'll watch anything with

01:24:02.840 walter goggins in it yeah he's good is there do i at least get one more scene where they kill

01:24:08.140 michael rapaport i'm trying to think of who they kill in this that you would like

01:24:13.040 because there's a whole like wasted episode where they find themselves in a second vault

01:24:19.060 that actually didn't need to be there.

01:24:21.840 They spent a lot of time on Vault-Tec

01:24:23.440 being a bad company that experiments on people,

01:24:26.000 which is a follow-up.

01:24:27.260 Which we knew.

01:24:27.780 That is part of the plot,

01:24:30.160 but I'm pretty sure,

01:24:31.680 although I didn't...

01:24:33.040 Like, I don't know all the lore,

01:24:34.180 but I'm pretty sure

01:24:35.300 the Chinese communists attacked America

01:24:38.400 in the actual follow-up story.

01:24:39.440 There's no Chinese stuff in this.

01:24:42.160 Yeah.

01:24:42.620 It's all Russian.

01:24:43.580 Which is funny

01:24:44.240 because they don't want to damage that segment.

01:24:46.140 But, like, the whole story

01:24:47.220 through like 20 years of this franchise has been the communist chinese invaded america and bombed

01:24:54.960 us and we bombed them and that's what happened that's the fucking that's what happened so but

01:24:59.360 no apparently it was vault tech it was vault it was a private company scheme to make more money

01:25:05.660 well actually how do you make more money when the earth is new like it doesn't it doesn't make any

01:25:10.320 fucking sense it could be there's other reasons you might do that but to quote unquote make more

01:25:15.300 money what what i think i might be wrong i think their thing became that they want to basically

01:25:21.680 bioengineer a better sort of okay cool but like that's not capitalism that's mad science that's

01:25:27.840 not this isn't a capitalist thing that's it like that's an insane scientistic you know tyrant which

01:25:34.680 is which is more socialist like you said than otherwise so i can't tell if this is a good

01:25:40.560 episode or not i can't we're we're really stringing along here we got all kinds of

01:25:45.120 drama and movie corner where's the content dimes the content is big neon sign written in lights

01:25:54.840 dimes balls are fine nice good i'm so i'm so glad i tell you what dug myself a nice little grave

01:26:06.360 there, because

01:26:08.460 should anything happen,

01:26:10.420 heaven forbid, it's going to be an

01:26:12.220 avalanche of memes.

01:26:14.500 Dimes balls are not

01:26:16.360 fine.

01:26:19.720 It's

01:26:20.360 coming. Just a

01:26:22.300 couple of things. I want to give a

01:26:24.220 special shout out to Axios

01:26:25.880 Coaching, still working with

01:26:28.180 them, still working with that fine

01:26:29.960 organization. I was actually working on

01:26:32.120 a promo video for them as well that

01:26:34.120 came out swimmingly

01:26:36.180 uh very pleased with that check them out um there's a new real secret coffee hours episode

01:26:42.320 up on the uh paywall so that's on gumroad that's on patreon um this one i believe we were discussing

01:26:49.820 a really interesting topic um it was uh dave the distributist who we've had on the show before

01:26:57.860 a lot of people are great fans of him he wrote substack responding to these two individuals

01:27:03.360 in our space called the collinses some people might have known them they're these two former

01:27:10.040 silicon valley executive types and they are pro natalists their whole thing is you know being

01:27:18.200 having kids having big families i think their thing was they couldn't have kids they went the

01:27:23.460 ivf route so there's a bunch of like transhumanism stuff bundled in there but anyway their whole

01:27:29.220 thing is as far as i know they're both you know white professionals in their late 30s early 40s

01:27:34.840 and they're like here's here's our new essentially religion they're trying to start like a new

01:27:40.160 religion that encourages uh positive birth rates and but it's taking a like i said transhumanist

01:27:46.160 techno futurist approach to it um and then so dave is responding to that because they said

01:27:52.120 here's our new religion but like i started by saying like you know there's a lot of stuff in

01:27:56.420 there i think it's kind of interesting but i'm like you gotta be careful with this stuff because

01:28:00.980 it leads you down some some blind alleys you can learn more by checking out the paywall show

01:28:05.740 and a great many other episodes i've recorded um also i've got an article published in uh

01:28:12.620 two keys mag that's uh two keys mag dot sub stack dot two keys dot sub stack dot com um the title

01:28:21.160 of that is

01:28:22.960 what

01:28:23.960 slaughtering

01:28:25.500 Bert Kreischer

01:28:26.320 means for the

01:28:27.120 acceleration

01:28:27.720 discourse

01:28:28.260 I'm very

01:28:31.200 very proud of

01:28:31.860 this article

01:28:32.440 go check that

01:28:33.560 out

01:28:33.800 I'm trying to

01:28:34.640 get a few

01:28:35.100 more articles

01:28:35.600 out there in

01:28:36.020 the next

01:28:36.380 couple weeks

01:28:37.140 but that's

01:28:37.700 what I'm

01:28:38.060 really happy

01:28:38.500 about

01:28:38.720 and also

01:28:39.180 last episode

01:28:40.820 we missed

01:28:42.040 crimes chat

01:28:43.300 we didn't

01:28:43.680 have a

01:28:43.940 crimes chat

01:28:44.560 segment

01:28:44.980 playing it

01:28:45.960 for you

01:28:46.320 now

01:28:46.680 crimes chat

01:28:47.620 once again

01:28:48.260 it's

01:28:49.320 listeners

01:28:50.060 like

01:28:50.800 you uh sending us audio recordings mp3s of whatever you think is interesting cool relevant

01:29:00.020 you listen to the show you know the types of stuff we're into you know the types of crimes

01:29:04.660 chats we've had before so send it to me on telegram send it to me on twitter email blood

01:29:11.520 satellite at protonmail.com send it and you'll get on the show uh so here's one now

01:29:19.100 Crimes Chat

01:29:20.560 Hello my friend, long time listener, first time.

01:29:36.020 My question is for Drew Dimes, which is the abbreviation of Judas and Dimes.

01:29:42.540 The question is, in 2077, what makes somebody a criminal?

01:29:50.380 Thank you. I'll take my answer off the air.

01:29:53.180 Crimes Chat.

01:30:01.060 I'm happy we went on that. We made that decision together to play that.

01:30:07.560 One of my favorites.

01:30:08.740 yeah um there's last couple things i wanted to talk about and i wanted to begin with an article

01:30:17.940 that i came across a while ago we never got to cover it until now but i think it's fitting to

01:30:22.540 cover it now and it's written by spandrel who we had on the show previously fantastic interview

01:30:28.360 go look that up uh he relaunched his website uh and with this article called a post-mortem

01:30:35.240 on neoreaction he's talking about the neoreactionary movement the nrx movement that started with

01:30:42.680 popularly started with him and nick land and curtis yarvin and in a sense bronze age pervert

01:30:50.900 a lot of personalities in this sphere was very exciting for a time and a lot of people in our

01:30:56.440 space right now remember getting into the space through that a lot of them denounce it now a lot

01:31:03.380 of them outright hate some of these individuals but they still think back as that as their entry

01:31:10.000 point so he's looking back on that as well what went right what went wrong i just wanted to read

01:31:16.920 a few parts to tee up this next section he says uh i'm gonna skip ahead here cut out the first part

01:31:26.160 and just maybe keep the meat of what i want to talk about here he says so back to the topic what

01:31:30.740 happened to neoreaction well as i was saying the blogosphere as a whole more or less died so of

01:31:38.120 course neoreaction as a small if influential subset of it suffered the same fate and i recall

01:31:44.280 this personally because i remember back in the day when i was in my even in my teens there was

01:31:49.540 this thing called the blogosphere and the blogosphere was cool cool people were on it

01:31:54.460 The idea of writing an article, sometimes daily, about your everyday life was kind of an interesting thing.

01:32:01.520 And I actually see a lot of parallels with the art scenes right now, especially the female-driven ones, with blogging, or they used to call it live journaling.

01:32:11.120 But blogging was a bit more design-heavy and public-facing and just a bit more polished.

01:32:18.380 But you don't hear people talk about it anymore.

01:32:19.960 I think social media killed that, but, you know, there was Myspace around at the time as well.

01:32:25.840 So it's not like there was a heavy dividing line between the two.

01:32:31.180 Anyway, the blogosphere, Substack would be the rebirth of that in a sense, but it's not the same thing.

01:32:39.400 It's much smaller and it's kind of more of a refuge for people who want to be professional writers rather than a bottom up.

01:32:48.200 i'm just a person who's getting into writing i think that's the main difference he says a big

01:32:54.840 part of it is again just churn being out competed by faster and dumber internet products and a

01:33:01.040 generational turnover the bulk of neoreaction was early millennials what the chinese call

01:33:06.460 after 80s these people are now solidly in middle age and shit happens in middle age presumably and

01:33:13.520 In my experience, a lot of us get married, had kids, work, got busy, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:33:19.120 It's always easy to find time for shitposting on Twitter, not so much for writing lengthy essays on history or political theory for the benefit of a few hundred internet strangers.

01:33:29.100 That's something to keep in mind, too.

01:33:30.520 That was the size of the audience you were looking at, and ain't nothing wrong with that.

01:33:35.880 Maybe having a few hundred dedicated followers is better than having several thousand who are, or maybe tens of thousands, who are eagerly working towards your downfall, which is a position that a lot of creators find themselves in, unfortunately.

01:33:53.040 Anyway, he said, where is my collapse?

01:33:58.140 Where is this big crisis where all government, actually, I'm going to scroll back up here.

01:34:02.260 It also coincided that as most lost the physical energy to write much, the urge also went away.

01:34:09.940 Neo-reaction was never an advocacy movement, either a libertarian-like push to lobby governments for incremental deregulation or an attempt to take over the institutions in any way.

01:34:21.360 Some factions did try to get into active politics, and I'm told the select few did get close to positions of power.

01:34:27.580 But for the most part, it was just an analysis movement with a general undertone of, if I may put it that way, doomerism.

01:34:35.620 Again, not a criticism.

01:34:36.900 I'm certainly guilty of this myself.

01:34:38.980 The best example of this is, of course, Moldbug, Curtis Yarvin, now an adorned public intellectual and NYC underground celebrity who famously said there's nothing to be done except become worthy and just wait shit out to get so bad.

01:34:54.640 the elite itself comes to us surrendering the reins of power.

01:34:58.500 Our related approach and more popular has been to develop a counter elite,

01:35:03.020 including active outreach to sympathetic elite normies in order to create a new

01:35:07.800 shadow ruling class to take over after the collapse.

01:35:11.460 Sound familiar?

01:35:12.980 What collapse though?

01:35:14.240 Where is my collapse?

01:35:15.380 Where is the big crisis?

01:35:17.020 Damn,

01:35:17.320 that would be nice,

01:35:18.080 wouldn't it?

01:35:18.720 But no,

01:35:19.200 we can't have nice things.

01:35:20.320 We've all been here arguing at length about how everything sucks for more

01:35:24.460 than 15 years 15 years is a long time man it boggles the mind that things not only keep sucking

01:35:31.260 but they keep sucking increasingly more and more and people just take it if you have told us in

01:35:36.800 2010 that britain would uh look like this and he's got a link here just typical stuff you probably

01:35:44.880 see in muslims and whatnot that an obviously 80 year olds uh would be potus while being senile

01:35:50.980 and be running again, that Japan will be filling up with Kurds and subcons

01:35:55.600 and that the Chinese countryside will be filling with half-black kids

01:35:59.260 because the only women breeding there are nigger brides.

01:36:03.100 Well, I would have said that sounds about right, but damn, shit really is bad.

01:36:07.500 I don't think Spandrel gets enough credit for being funny in his writing.

01:36:11.060 And when I read, like, the IQ Shredder stuff, you read the classics from him.

01:36:15.060 I don't think that comes through.

01:36:16.180 This is pretty, this is a shitpost.

01:36:18.260 Yeah, I like it.

01:36:18.820 it's like when nick land gets on twitter um as i wrote back in my conflict post your reaction was

01:36:27.100 an uneasy alliance of ethno-nationalists theocrats and techno-accelerationists those

01:36:33.880 three factions are as alive as ever they are pretty old and stable political shelling points

01:36:39.880 not exactly lindy it's not uh fixed in human nature but it sure is a stable equilibrium

01:36:46.840 in an industrial society you have some people clinging to old religious agrarian order that's

01:36:52.940 the theocrats you have another group who took power from them by building a new coalition

01:36:57.820 based on the larger scale of organization enabled by industrialism this is the nationalists

01:37:03.560 you have smaller edgy minority getting ready for the next shift change they're the e-acceleration

01:37:10.360 is the techno accelerationists might say they're the most maybe the most effective right now in

01:37:17.140 terms of getting capital allocation but i think there's a lot of shadowy parallel society stuff

01:37:23.160 going on as well uh trads and accelerations are alive and well they're very much thriving on

01:37:29.660 twitter nationalists less so interesting as a former fascist sympathizer i can see why the

01:37:36.820 allure fascism in 2024 is much much diminished for a few reasons a big one was covid i agree

01:37:45.000 see the point of fashion is that collective action is necessary to have nice things we

01:37:49.960 need a strong government committed to the good of the people uh the health of the people is the

01:37:57.500 most important loss cicero wasn't a fascist of course nor is yarvin really a big point of

01:38:02.520 Fascism is to define narrowly the populace as an ethnic group with demonstrable ties of blood.

01:38:09.720 This makes the government ties to the people stronger, which is important, very important.

01:38:15.220 Collective action can be sure good.

01:38:16.920 A lot of good things can come out of intelligently done collective action.

01:38:22.900 Fascism is not a pancia, but it works when you let it.

01:38:25.780 Strong government can be pretty neat.

01:38:27.800 So why is strong government less appealing these days?

01:38:30.100 Well, COVID happened, as our governments were pretty damn strong in dealing with it.

01:38:34.640 This is true.

01:38:35.860 They made strong laws and enforced them.

01:38:37.900 And what they did do, and what did they do with their power?

01:38:40.760 Absolutely retarded shit.

01:38:43.080 To destroy the world economy, they made 95% of people completely miserable for 18 months.

01:38:49.120 Up to three long years in some places.

01:38:51.380 Again, as the Orient enjoyer, I was very sympathetic, strong, effective government.

01:38:56.400 my life has been pretty cozy thanks to it for the past few decades

01:39:00.380 fuck that shit, I'm out

01:39:02.500 I don't want to see strong government ever again

01:39:04.640 I was very lucky I was out of China in November 2019

01:39:08.000 it was a fluke really

01:39:09.780 not just seeing how retarded governments were

01:39:13.420 the level of compliance by the people was so disheartening

01:39:16.640 imagine being a sincere fascist and seeing your people behave like that

01:39:21.480 these are my people, the Voke

01:39:23.120 am i supposed to sacrifice life and limb for the salus of the populace fuck that let them cook

01:39:28.820 they deserve everything that's coming to them hey uh i hear you those thoughts have crossed my mind

01:39:35.220 as well but i think what he's getting at there is very real like internet fascism ate what it used

01:39:42.180 to be it i think a lot of the internet fascists know it too they've graduated up to multi-polarity

01:39:49.480 they've graduated up to duganism they're looking at leftism and communism a lot more friendly like

01:39:56.300 we talked about the njp before look at them like they they're talking about severing ties

01:40:02.360 completely to uh white nationalists look at can't well can't was the great example

01:40:07.200 of the guy who's saying like i don't want to be in this thing anymore well who's honestly there's

01:40:12.600 not a lot of them left unfortunately or at least the big content creators are making

01:40:17.260 a break for the exit and i think a lot of the the diehard true believers are looking around like

01:40:23.240 okay well what now it's that what now that i think that space is asking more than any other space

01:40:31.180 um given all these trends again i think it's natural that ethno-nationalism declines as a

01:40:40.000 viable political platform okay no it's not exactly dead though neo-reaction is dead but

01:40:46.700 Because Neo Reaction was home for the smartest, the tale of the ethno-nationalist bell curve.

01:40:52.240 And it's always the smart people who see the trends and change accordingly.

01:40:55.940 But the rest of the bell curve is naturally slower to react.

01:40:59.240 So you get stuff like Trumpism and the general dumbing down of right-wing discourse.

01:41:03.500 If you're on Twitter at all, you might have seen the guy Richard Hanania.

01:41:08.600 He calls him Richard Banania.

01:41:10.280 He was a firebrand Richard Spencer type, a non-fascist in his young years then.

01:41:14.520 he got a million bucks from mark andreason and proceeded to face fag and become a garden variety

01:41:20.220 neocon pushing open borders and infinite support for israel our greatest ally he's still solid on

01:41:26.840 the woman question in the nigger question and kudos to that but 80 of his content is just

01:41:31.920 dunking on trumpism is he richard hanania or is richard banania a different guy maybe i'm thinking

01:41:38.400 of a different no it's richard hanania i think people is that the yeah he's that fucking weird

01:41:44.900 looking guy yeah he's a guy anyway i guess he used to be pretty cool so he's saying maybe

01:41:52.360 ethno-nationalism is on its way out a lot of people would disagree with that but um maybe

01:41:58.200 what we are feeling is that trend and looking for the next trend to hop on and maybe it's just

01:42:05.040 rebranding maybe it's reconfiguring maybe it's reorganizing because i don't think racial awareness

01:42:10.080 is going away and i think racial awareness is more strong than ever before but what do we do

01:42:18.120 with the fact that a lot of the familiar white nationalist talking points have been tried

01:42:23.820 in the marketplace of ideas and didn't land very well so it's not a problem of awareness

01:42:31.240 it's not a problem of popularity what now um letting that aside though we're talking about

01:42:40.120 uh richard hanania um i've seen a lot of this firsthand with my extended family falling into

01:42:45.520 a few of these bizarre right-wing grifts over the past years thankfully it's much much less bad in

01:42:50.980 europe at least for now and it's still preferable to having left-wing family but still it's quite

01:42:57.180 sad but it shows there's a vacuum there grifts are ephemeral they're just pathogens preying on a

01:43:02.420 diseased body but it won't kill it and once the body is healthy again they'll naturally fizzle

01:43:07.960 away is there a way to make the body healthy again i do think so i think there's still place

01:43:12.600 for a successor right-wing ideology which is neither christian fundamentalism or robot worship

01:43:18.920 and it will happen but it won't happen on twitter maybe it can happen on urbit or right here on this

01:43:24.580 site or substack i guess i have some ideas myself so anyway that's the end of that article and i

01:43:30.660 think there's a lot that touches on what we discussed so far in the episode with the evolution

01:43:36.460 of the evolution of the discourse certain individuals leaving it but the perennial

01:43:41.420 nature of certain arguments that seem to keep emerging over time because they haven't truly

01:43:46.020 been resolved i think what i'll do is i'll talk about this book that i've been reading recently

01:43:52.040 And we're going to kick off a sequence of books in the same vein that we really haven't gone deep into this topic before.

01:44:01.960 And it's more about, you know, we've talked about Marshall McLuhan.

01:44:05.040 We've talked about a lot of media theory and we've talked about linguistics and communication and the relationship of, you know, the center versus the periphery of power and how communication operates in those spaces.

01:44:17.600 I wanted to investigate more acutely the digital world in which we live and how that information revolution, the fifth wave, as some people call it, has impacted our lives and impacted how we relate to each other.

01:44:36.140 and most importantly impacted the sorts of social movements

01:44:40.420 that we are allowed to do right now.

01:44:44.900 Because I've said this before,

01:44:47.040 but a lot of us in this side of things,

01:44:49.400 and even on the left as well,

01:44:51.140 we're still locked into a 20th century mindset.

01:44:54.500 We're still, our idea of revolution is very 19th century.

01:44:58.600 And we love the iconography and imagery

01:45:00.780 of mid 20th century stuff.

01:45:02.500 like leftists still like look like leftists of the fucking 1930s same color same imagery and it's

01:45:09.980 it's quaint it's nostalgic it may very well be inspiring but it's the sort of revolution

01:45:17.120 that doesn't seem to work anymore that you still have leftists going on about unionization about

01:45:23.180 people banded together and that sort of eastern collectivism that we were talking about before

01:45:27.920 That just never seems to take. Similarly, on the right, we have a very early to mid 20th century version of how these military coups or people's revolutions, fascist revolutions, whatever, can operate. And they just don't seem to take.

01:45:42.460 even if you model it identically to how they used to be before they just it fizzles out it doesn't

01:45:48.280 have a wide audience or as wide an audience as you think they would be and it's not necessarily

01:45:52.960 because of censorship and oppression it's that it just doesn't seem that iconography that language

01:46:00.100 that type of human configuration doesn't seem to be applicable to the type of mind or groupings that

01:46:09.240 we have currently especially for younger and younger generations so i have this book i read

01:46:16.520 very interesting called humans as media the emancipation of authorship now in my career

01:46:24.720 digital marketing that sector of it we talk about we talk about things like this and have for a long

01:46:32.500 time and i was cautious going into this book because it's talking about how you know the

01:46:38.320 digital revolution has, you know, has given us, everyone's an author. Everyone is a content

01:46:44.640 creator. And what does that mean for us? And I've heard that my entire career. And I've heard

01:46:50.460 social media optimists my entire life sell me on that. Like the digital revolution

01:46:55.600 is going to completely destroy legacy media. Hasn't really yet. It seems that rather than

01:47:02.220 destroy legacy media, we're kind of waiting for legacy media to die with the boomers.

01:47:08.320 And then we have our version of alt media, which is almost a synthesis between legacy media and new media.

01:47:15.840 And maybe that's just what we're stuck with.

01:47:17.820 Instead of CNN, we'll be stuck with 15 smaller, shittier CNNs, you know.

01:47:23.540 So I've been sold the promise of the digital revolution my entire career.

01:47:30.580 And it has just never really transpired, at least not how it was promised.

01:47:33.980 And so I approached this book called The Emancipation of Authorship very, you know, very cynically, but it was recommended by some people that I really respect.

01:47:44.060 So, you know, I gave it a shot and I liked it more than I thought it would.

01:47:49.160 There's a lot in here that I think we can also build on as we're talking about in the future, Ray Kurzweil and Martin Gurry and some of these other ideas about how, like what the future will actually look like.

01:48:02.700 because it doesn't take the form of the secular humanist approach

01:48:06.060 that everyone's just going to be atomized.

01:48:08.720 And that's kind of what the metaspace was banking on.

01:48:15.000 I think this is why things like the metaspace fail.

01:48:19.000 We're talking about VR.

01:48:20.460 We're talking about Mark Zuckerberg saying,

01:48:22.560 buy this headset and you can be whatever you want to be

01:48:25.700 in a blank canvas digital space.

01:48:29.000 And for some reason, people don't like that.

01:48:32.700 And we don't know why.

01:48:33.920 We keep trying.

01:48:34.840 We keep selling them on infinity and internal possibilities.

01:48:41.240 And that just doesn't seem to gel with people.

01:48:43.340 So why is that, you know?

01:48:45.780 So we're going to get into answering that over the next little while.

01:48:49.020 But I'm just going to start reading some of the things I liked about this book.

01:48:53.580 So the background here, just to set up for people who don't know what I'm talking about.

01:48:58.180 He says, the demographic transition of the 20th century was marked by the appearance of a new social phenomena, the pivotal generation.

01:49:07.340 And this is something we've talked about before, about how this idea emerged of each generation being like a self-contained revolution in itself, which is such a new idea, right?

01:49:19.640 He says, the pivotal generation was the first generation whose life lasted longer than an era.

01:49:25.000 It was a generation of people who, for the first time in history, found themselves living through two or even more eras within their single human lifetime.

01:49:34.000 In Russia, the pivotal generation consisted of those born in the 1930s and 40s.

01:49:38.760 They were raised in the agrarian era.

01:49:41.280 They worked through the industrial era, and many of them are dabbling in the post-industrial era.

01:49:46.220 If an era is shorter than a generation, the balance between speed and technical innovation and speed of adaptation breaks down.

01:49:53.460 that's an interesting i don't think that gets brought up a lot but um on kind of a one-to-one

01:50:00.200 basis when we talk you know we always say like what the hell is the world gonna be like when

01:50:04.780 we're 70 right or what are our kids gonna be doing right right they almost seem like an alien

01:50:11.700 species i'm like that's kind of weird like we're expecting like 12 mind revolutions by the time we

01:50:17.660 retire and there was a that's that's not a sensible way for a human being to live in

01:50:23.640 but it's getting accelerated in that sense he says in the space of approximately 20 years in

01:50:29.900 the blink of an eye historically speaking more authors have appeared than during the previous

01:50:34.820 6 000 years of literary civilization that's just a fact a lot of people will push back and say yeah

01:50:40.920 but what are people writing it's like yeah true but you know people were writing dog shit a thousand

01:50:46.060 years ago too you know um he he kind of summarizes it as this i think this is an important part he

01:50:53.180 says he talks about the emancipation of people in media says the first emancipation of content

01:50:59.660 is related to the appearance of the demotic script of ancient egypt around the 7th century

01:51:04.540 a phenomenon that gave common people the ability to write this represented the emancipation of

01:51:11.160 writing the second emancipation of content followed the innovation the invention of the

01:51:16.540 gutenberg press around 1445 the ability to print multiple copies of a book reduces cost

01:51:22.540 given the common people access to the bible and ancient texts this was the emancipation of reading

01:51:28.780 what we are now experiencing is the third emancipation of content the emancipation of

01:51:33.400 authorship this does not mean that every private message is worthy of attention it means that the

01:51:39.200 palaces and places of worship have again lost their monopoly this time over the production of

01:51:44.780 meaning and i think that's really the thing to underline in all this it's like you know

01:51:50.840 we write things more people writing what does that mean but it's that we get to define what our

01:51:57.280 what meaning is what value is more than a top-down perhaps a totalitarian arguably elitist

01:52:04.080 format that we used to have so our power isn't just and i think this is what he doesn't say

01:52:10.620 outright but it's what i believe is that the power of the people isn't just who reads the most

01:52:16.640 now there's a lot of people in our spaces who think it is you know you read the most stuff

01:52:22.280 you cram the most knowledge in your head and then you become an expert but i don't think we really

01:52:29.200 value experts like that on our side of things or even in in the culture broadly you know i mean

01:52:35.420 like we we don't if you have a degree a master's fuck a doctorate in anthropology speaking for

01:52:43.820 myself i don't give a shit what about you like if someone credentials you with something

01:52:49.260 like that aside like no not a neurosurgeon right i mean to me it's to the point where i'm almost

01:52:56.480 my value system is such that people who front run their credentials i have less respect for them

01:53:02.520 i write them off just because i i don't know i don't i i haven't really analyzed that but that's

01:53:08.560 what i've been doing for a long time so yeah and so you listen to like expert people who have

01:53:13.640 doctorates in anthropology in history and things like that and they could write very well but it's

01:53:18.160 like i i don't really respect i don't respect you necessarily more than this guy i know on telegram

01:53:25.100 who's also read a lot of stuff and he makes and he cites his sources and he speaks coherently

01:53:32.660 but like so your credential it is not necessarily related to how i define the value of meaning

01:53:40.240 in the text i am reading also because i've seen so many fucking dog brain

01:53:46.580 shit-headed books published right so established publishing is not any sort of credential that

01:53:54.360 matters to me either. He says here, and I believe this to be true too, he said, if you only consume

01:54:00.280 content, you're invisible. You don't exist. A web presence by its very function forces people to

01:54:05.820 become active content producers. I publish, therefore I am. Publishing is turning from an

01:54:12.500 opportunity into an obligation. I found that interesting. And the further we go, the truer

01:54:18.560 this becomes this is only logical because publishing has become a means of socialization

01:54:25.440 and that's that's what memes are in a lot of ways you know people have often tried to

01:54:31.840 pigeonhole what memes actually mean because memes are the sort of space between official

01:54:40.900 published writing and just conversing with your friends it makes like the conversation more real

01:54:46.620 it's something you produce you make it you make an image but and you pass it around as if it was

01:54:51.520 content and that's a different sort of meeting even though it's oftentimes just as frivolous

01:54:57.400 there's no author attached but it is content and so it becomes more real once you make it into

01:55:03.640 content anyway the point being that when he talks about content it's not just a blog or a song

01:55:09.660 you're talking about comment sections you're talking about having a take this is the economy

01:55:14.800 of takes and we can make fun of the economy it takes and i do very often make fun of the economy

01:55:20.560 of takes but that really is all it is it people feel compelled to engage online very few people

01:55:29.160 i think actually spend all of their time lurking and if they do they're probably retarded they're

01:55:35.980 probably not real people they're probably 85 iq but you know you know who talks the most online

01:55:40.960 and creates the most content indian guys every morning india crashes the internet because they

01:55:47.700 all feel compelled to write good morning to each other so i don't know if it has anything to do

01:55:52.920 with intelligence it has something to do with like if you there's something you're not a real

01:55:56.840 person unless you have some kind of like like society doesn't think you're real unless you

01:56:03.960 are interfacing like a content creator on some level and whether you like it or not

01:56:09.660 and it's to the point where if you

01:56:11.920 at various points in my life

01:56:13.860 I flirted with the idea of

01:56:16.180 getting rid of my social media presence

01:56:18.140 and then I realized I can't get a

01:56:20.340 job if I don't have one

01:56:21.760 like if I don't have a LinkedIn

01:56:23.800 and also I don't have a LinkedIn where I've posted

01:56:26.160 a few things or I don't

01:56:28.320 if the HR person looks up

01:56:30.320 that on me on Facebook

01:56:31.760 and sees I don't have a Facebook

01:56:33.340 they think there's something fucked up about me

01:56:35.900 and I won't get hired for that job

01:56:38.300 that's annoying but that that is the world we live in where you need to at the very least have

01:56:44.160 like a dummy version of yourself out there like and maybe that's where ai comes in as well but

01:56:49.140 like to be real you need to be in this space otherwise society kind of cuts you out fuck

01:56:55.860 even portlandia had a sketch about that there's the guy who um i think it was carrie's character

01:57:03.060 she's she's overwhelmed by all the phones and the messages and she wants to you know cash out

01:57:08.620 she goes to a service to erase her digital identity and then all of a sudden her friends

01:57:14.160 don't know her anymore yeah like the friends she meets face to face like have we met let me look

01:57:18.980 you up and you're not there and so she like vanishes from the world but i'm like that's

01:57:24.400 funny it's fred armison is a funny guy and so is carrie brownstein but like there's something

01:57:30.340 like dark and cold in there that is that is that's an actual thing that happens anyway

01:57:36.140 he continues it says the internet has become a space for socialization as things stand this

01:57:43.040 space is still perceived as an alternative but the social weight achieved on the internet is

01:57:48.280 already comparable with offline social status at the end of the day society is indifferent to how

01:57:53.700 its members define their positions relative to each other all that is needed is some kind of

01:57:58.420 interaction, a way for people to construct their personal honeycombs so that they're visible to

01:58:04.000 others and can be filled with reprocessed content for the sake of status and exchange. Once again,

01:58:09.880 the economy of takes. But the economy of takes, again, is something that we would make fun of

01:58:13.980 ourselves on the right for doing, but that is society. Society is an economy of takes.

01:58:20.440 Like everyone who's got a Twitter account with no followers, anyone who's on any boomer who's on

01:58:26.080 facebook right now there's a boomer on facebook engaging with a very obvious ai image and and

01:58:35.200 sending hearts and prayers and like there's an image of an indian boy with 20 fingers that a

01:58:42.980 boomer is responding to with a prayer emoji because they need the need to exist is so strong

01:58:49.180 that doesn't even matter if they're talking to a real person they don't even fucking know anymore

01:58:53.220 and they're not going to stop right it's such a almost a hyper real thing but you know i we're so

01:59:00.080 used to it we don't talk about it or identify it you know i mean like i made the case that

01:59:05.000 i don't think anyone in any space has really unpacked the information revolution

01:59:12.920 sounds like a pity thing to say but i think it's true i mean this that's why we're getting so into

01:59:17.840 McLuhan we're getting so into what electronic media has done to our minds and why we can never

01:59:24.780 go back to a 19th century frame of reference or how we think forget thinking like a Roman used to

01:59:31.160 do that's not even that's somewhere buried in our DNA that's underneath the fucking mud flood of

01:59:38.100 media revolutions that have like separated us from our deep ancestors who wouldn't even know

01:59:43.060 what the fuck we are now you know being and i say this in an article i want to get published

01:59:48.600 eventually it's like you know to be an effective agent of change in the 21st century means you need

01:59:54.240 to appear as an extraterrestrial to your ancestors i i really believe that like you their values are

02:00:01.840 a part of you but they're not going to understand what it is you're doing you're you're on a

02:00:06.640 different wavelength entirely in the interest of survival and things so he says here the thirst

02:00:14.680 for response which compels one to filter content for each post or comment is based on each author's

02:00:20.520 personal understanding of social convention to explain social interaction hegel can coin the

02:00:26.660 term struggle for recognition which is often interpreted as demand for recognition or appetite

02:00:32.620 for recognition but in order to be recognized technically all that's needed as a response

02:00:37.820 recognition is the sub substance of response people experience the thirst for response on

02:00:43.060 a physical level it's the sixth sense it's the social sense and so i really do think that is

02:00:48.160 what drives this whole very economy of takes thing that we're talking about it's that like

02:00:54.760 we do need a social response and we have just recalibrated what valuable social response

02:01:00.080 looks like for better or worse um so he's got a part here it says 80 years ago in his book the

02:01:07.560 revolt of the masses ortega y gasset put forward the argument that in the 19th century gave the

02:01:13.780 mass man not only welfare but also the notion of welfare as a standard of living this was a

02:01:20.920 critical turning point because the common man suddenly had the right to demand welfare something

02:01:26.320 that in the middle ages was not guaranteed even for the elite mass man fell to reliability of

02:01:32.320 the world and personal independence among other things gassette identified a link between the

02:01:37.440 mass man's increasing demands and the explosive population growth in the 19th century in europe

02:01:43.600 from 180 million to 460 million people and that's an interesting way of framing it's that

02:01:49.840 you know like the demands for society to be better and a recognition of the the value of

02:01:57.020 the individual and and the demands they are allowed to place on society may very well coincide with an

02:02:04.120 explosion of population which very well might mirror the explosion population under christianity

02:02:11.180 like that is that's the positivistic vision that makes people want to reproduce it's not just

02:02:18.320 material it's something ontological it's something that inspires true hope not just a payment but it's

02:02:24.920 like i can not only get money but i can get all of my dreams fulfilled in some sense and i've never

02:02:30.300 heard like the desire for welfare uh described that way i just thought that was an interesting

02:02:35.960 way of describing it so and he goes into this this concept called the viral editor and i i kind

02:02:44.400 of like this because it explains this internet economy the sphere of takes the network of takes

02:02:53.100 is something called the viral editor and the viral editor is what what could be described as the

02:02:59.060 distributed being of the internet a sort of artificial intelligence whose processing chips

02:03:05.260 in quotes are people the users now for example the user's main goal is to elicit a response as

02:03:11.760 we've already established. On a human level, they want a

02:03:13.820 response, that's their sixth sense, the desire for some kind

02:03:16.400 of recognition. The personal yearning for response is the

02:03:19.880 motivation behind the entire system. While weak on the

02:03:24.260 individual atopic level, there's large arrays of users and the

02:03:28.140 large arrays of users, this motivation creates strong forces

02:03:31.100 that nourish the viral editors work, the viral editor enables

02:03:34.680 not only the transmission, but also the crystallization of

02:03:37.520 meaning, which is more important for the infected

02:03:40.740 population as well as the selection of the very best wording this is memes you know this is people

02:03:46.020 kind of emergently creating the discourse as we described this is what the discourse is

02:03:53.660 it's society noticing that a lot of people are talking about a thing that's the incel phenomenon

02:03:59.760 the incel like why is everyone talking about that well because enough regular people talked about

02:04:05.140 what is the incel phenomenon was it a psyop no was it inspired by elites or the publishing

02:04:11.740 industry or science or the medical industry no we i watched the incel discourse emerge from a

02:04:17.940 couple of guys you know a few years ago there was like five guys who coined this term incel

02:04:23.280 up until now where it's in the new york times we're on the i bet trump brings it up soon

02:04:29.680 like it is one of the defining elements of the western discourse right now ties into birth rates

02:04:37.720 it ties into everything how did it get there well it kind of got there organically and it it it hit

02:04:44.100 the new york times and it hit cnn and it hit all the stuff from the outside and demanded to be

02:04:49.280 reported on legitimately um and so that's that how that evolved is what we call the viral editor

02:04:55.520 the fundamental difference between the viral editor and the brain is that the viral editor

02:05:00.860 is capable of capturing its its its own historical states which make up its unique archival memory

02:05:07.740 and this memory is accessible to any point in time from any point in time the crowd unleashes the

02:05:13.820 herd instinct in human destroying any sense of individuality the viral editor on the contrary

02:05:20.100 the users want a response specific to their individuality to their assessment their opinion

02:05:25.940 the viral editor is nothing more than a necessary side effect of the viral distribution of messages

02:05:31.720 through a network of filters that change it the viral editor has no goals of its own the will of

02:05:38.500 the viral editor participants does not add up to a general will the viral editor does not have a

02:05:44.640 will its only will is the will to be this will is focused on nothing more than its own existence

02:05:50.040 which is a very metaphysical way of looking at it but i i like that metaphysical framing

02:05:55.280 of this thing that we all kind of identify exists you know we call it like the memoplex we call it

02:06:02.280 economy of takes we call it just this thing that seems to we this thing that we participate in but

02:06:09.380 we don't have direct control of and it's not legacy media and it's not official but it seems

02:06:16.080 to have a mind of its own at times. Anyway, he says here as one example is like, WikiLeaks is

02:06:24.580 not the brainchild of Assange or a secret service. It was simply an inevitability. If there are

02:06:30.740 forbidden subjects that potentially coincide with someone's interests, they are certain to come to

02:06:35.220 light in order to satisfy this interest. Any content that is of interest of me will reach me.

02:06:41.580 If my personal network is big enough, it is inevitable that my interest will coincide with

02:06:45.660 the interest of someone who has seen an article that is of interest to me it's not just that i

02:06:50.680 may get it i cannot fail to get content that is of interest to me and this is where we kind of get

02:06:55.860 into i don't know some of the highfalutin ideas of you know the the social media activist that's

02:07:03.440 like this is the the god of the feed you know in a long enough timeline you will only get

02:07:09.080 information that is relevant to you which i don't believe is going to happen i don't believe it

02:07:14.700 has happened i don't believe it can happen i think there's too many forces of work that are

02:07:19.920 trying to curate what i see there is no you know grand level or artificial intelligence that

02:07:26.160 actually delivers me information i want to see most of what i see i don't want to see and that's

02:07:32.580 why we have podcasts to talk about it why the fuck am i seeing all this horseshit why why haven't i

02:07:37.960 been happy about anything i've seen in 15 years you know so it's not like we're approaching a

02:07:45.800 singularity of perfect content distribution if anything it's the opposite he says dunbar's

02:07:53.660 number plays a certain role in the ensemble-like interaction of the large number of participants

02:07:58.780 on the web robin dunbar in his research into brains of primates and the organization of groups

02:08:05.160 determined that the number of constant social connections

02:08:08.580 that a human is capable of maintaining,

02:08:10.720 this number is on average 150, somewhere between 100 and 200.

02:08:15.040 Dunbar's number argues that the maximum ensemble for each of us

02:08:18.280 is unlikely to consist of more than 150 people.

02:08:21.140 But each of our contacts has his own ensemble

02:08:23.700 within which precisely the same reactive and proactive adjustment

02:08:27.480 is taking place, and also the thirst for response.

02:08:31.460 150 friends plus another 150 friends for each of our friends,

02:08:34.620 and so on give us a personal web of reporters or searchers it acts as a sort of radar capable of

02:08:40.500 discovering everything that doesn't even have slight relevance to our interests and i think

02:08:44.140 this is why if you look at the evolution of online communities twitter and facebook were you know

02:08:53.980 facebook was always about you get your friend group and you you want to get as many friends

02:08:58.820 as you can i remember when facebook first came around everyone wanted to get to like a thousand

02:09:02.900 friends they were adding everyone they could onto facebook you remember that yeah yeah yeah of

02:09:07.160 course and get a huge network and so what i say is going to go to when i type a post it's going

02:09:11.820 to go to all of them uh same thing with twitter you're broadcasting to the world everyone's going

02:09:17.300 to see you conceivably everyone's going to see your tweet um but there's no thirst for that i

02:09:22.260 actually don't think there's a thirst for broadcasting anymore uh maybe that that was

02:09:27.800 like a gen x belief and maybe a millennial belief but that's out what we actually want is closed

02:09:32.760 networks that's telegram that's um remember clubhouse that was that there's also this one

02:09:38.360 called locals like we actually prefer having communities and our chat you know it's kind of

02:09:44.640 an ongoing joke in the chat we're always trying to hover just below dunbar's number of the active

02:09:49.320 chat participants and i mean active chat participants because we always cycle out the

02:09:53.900 people who don't post that much and no 120 i think was like the sweet spot we noticed

02:09:59.460 but that's also what people people generally they don't want to broadcast they want

02:10:04.080 a fairly large network of their people and then they use that as that's their news basically

02:10:10.620 most most people don't watch the news they watch their commute their online community

02:10:16.220 that's my belief that's what i see more people doing now and that could take place on discord

02:10:21.940 that could take place on little twitter groups and private chats but i think we're seeing a lot

02:10:28.420 of news news filter into these communities which are news networks that that's the replacement for

02:10:34.500 the feed because we also don't trust feeds feeds are done feeds have been so fucking corrupted

02:10:39.580 with with curated news and bought and paid for news that i like the facebook feed the twitter

02:10:46.360 feed it's all bogus and we we know that's not the real thing so we actually need that human

02:10:52.180 filtration element because like what was the feed except trying to almost replace the viral editor

02:10:57.480 in a sense it's trying to say oh we'll capture things that are more popular you know the entire

02:11:02.680 idea of the feed was we're only going to show you things that we believe are relevant to you

02:11:08.240 how often does the feed get it right almost never how often is your community right constantly

02:11:15.240 and this is just a replication of your kid network of your community or your village

02:11:20.480 used to be how you would get your news filtered you know you didn't just read a newspaper you

02:11:25.720 listen to people talk about the news right so it's that is what it is i believe we're working

02:11:31.000 our way back to that and that bothers advertisers by the way that bothers marketers that bothers

02:11:38.020 platforms in a sense because they don't know how to monetize that they know how to monetize a feed

02:11:42.500 they know how to create an ad network on on a news article you what they hate when people take

02:11:48.880 screenshots of articles and pass those around because those don't include the ads you what

02:11:54.960 people hate when when people do little clips of the news and comment on that that's a filter that's

02:12:01.180 a filter advertisers don't get to control and i don't think they know what to do about that yet

02:12:06.120 and that might very well be the end the digital advertising has been in free fall for quite some

02:12:12.140 time um and i was called crazy back in the day for talking about this but they don't know how

02:12:17.900 to get these ads in front of the demographics that they want all they've really got right now

02:12:23.500 those influencers and those sponsorships and you know but they they don't know how to sort data

02:12:30.420 properly they actually don't know how to get their arms around the problem of bots twitter is the

02:12:35.400 only platform that's tried to get its arms around the problem of bots isn't that interesting facebook

02:12:40.740 kind of too but twitter really does tick tock forget it that might be mostly bots and it is

02:12:47.760 actually mostly bots anyway uh he says here the old establishment wants a comfortable opponent

02:12:53.780 packaged according to inter institutional rules for victorious battle the institutions need

02:12:59.920 someone like them someone who is perfectly forum delegated sanctioned and dosed out

02:13:05.000 institutions therefore demand that the web environment reduces its existence to an acceptable

02:13:10.580 level but an environment of peers is not capable of putting forward delegates it is neither bosses

02:13:16.640 nor protégés, except for the self-appointed ones that are more active than the rest. These would

02:13:21.900 be like power users. But he also says the negative evaluation of digital information by its own

02:13:29.320 participants is a bizarre phenomenon. And we see that as well, where people who spend most of their

02:13:34.300 time online and get most of their information online will say that, oh, everything on the

02:13:38.740 internet's fake. Never believe anything you believe on the internet, right? But why not?

02:13:44.000 is it is it more or less credible than the news i argue it's more credible because it's been through

02:13:49.500 more filters and more people have like contextualized it and if it's people you trust

02:13:55.220 it's people you have something in common with and have the same goals why would not why would that

02:14:00.220 information not be more reliable now if there's one problem we have unfortunately i think it's

02:14:06.160 on the right and the left we believe every screenshot we see we should stop doing that

02:14:11.240 if you see a screenshot of a news article just confirm that it's real before you pop off

02:14:17.700 yeah i want to though and i just want i want to believe it that's the joke i make like maybe i

02:14:23.840 just want to pop up maybe popping off i don't need it to be real because i know it's maybe

02:14:28.620 that particular fake article was conjured up by a meme lord but contextually it's true contextually

02:14:38.360 it is drawing from i've seen five other articles that are like that and this one is just a bit a

02:14:45.200 bit too cartoonish right but it's like you know no one makes fake articles for fake news they

02:14:50.880 make fake articles for real news that you see every single day but he says in essence it represents a

02:14:58.920 lack of trust in the collective self internet critics don't trust the collective self because

02:15:03.900 in the old world the source of information was not allowed to be equal to the public in terms of

02:15:08.700 status uh it is during wide scale and emotionally charged events uh like boston terrorist bombing

02:15:15.500 he cites here that's that's dating this book right that the problem becomes particularly acute you

02:15:20.340 know so yeah the we did it reddit moment like how often and maybe that's just an indictment of

02:15:26.800 redditors you know that's not an indictment of internet sleuth that's just saying redditors

02:15:31.940 are shit for brains

02:15:33.700 and they don't know how to solve

02:15:35.680 true crime stories

02:15:37.060 however I think my guys

02:15:39.860 are pretty good at it and that I'm

02:15:41.500 standing by that

02:15:42.760 he makes an

02:15:47.760 interesting case here he says

02:15:49.460 under careful consideration

02:15:51.980 it becomes clear that any example of

02:15:53.780 lying on the internet is actually an example

02:15:55.640 of those lies being exposed

02:15:57.360 because whoever points out the instance

02:15:59.660 of lie somehow finds out

02:16:01.600 that it was a lie. So that's an interesting point that do

02:16:04.780 people lie more on the internet? Or are lies exposed more

02:16:09.220 effectively? Let's say my previous example, the person

02:16:12.880 who passes around the fake screenshot, right? Under normal

02:16:17.020 circumstances, that fake screenshot might have just been

02:16:19.300 believed by him. But he is part of a community where there's

02:16:21.840 someone like me, who looks it up and says, that's fake. Now you

02:16:26.600 can choose to believe a fake thing if you want. But now you

02:16:29.380 know it's fake because you put it to the filter of this group and someone revealed that it's

02:16:34.300 fakeness whereas in institutional-led media lies were just never discovered or questioned

02:16:40.160 so it could be a bit of an illusion that you know your net's full of false stories no we're

02:16:46.240 actually better at uncovering them quicker right a boomer doesn't know when he's been lied to

02:16:52.420 a boomer reading the newspaper has no idea he's reading bullshit because he believes well why

02:16:58.040 would they print they can't just print bullshit they'd go to jail would they why would they

02:17:03.000 there's never been a good journalist in human history there's never been truth in any of this

02:17:09.300 shit like you got if you know that then we could have a conversation he says the change and the

02:17:16.320 semantic code of civilization will occur in unison with the global change from the broadcast media

02:17:22.780 model to the involvement media model and with the replacement of the institutional principle of

02:17:28.880 social structure with the network principle any meditations on the future of the media if correctly

02:17:34.980 and logically conducted lead to the concept of post-humanism the migration of humans to a new

02:17:41.240 environment has already begun we already operate with our awkward alter egos on social networks

02:17:47.540 and transport our personal belongings into a virtual space the evolution of forms of consciousness

02:17:53.700 is accompanied by the rejection of exhausted stages they remain in the historical past due

02:17:59.940 to the compression of historical time exhausted stages are being shed more and more frequently

02:18:05.700 the concept of three media revolutions the emancipation of writing reading and authorship

02:18:10.660 demonstrates that you argue within the next global reset so in a sense this book is like

02:18:15.860 pointed to the fact that look this has already happened this social media this communication

02:18:20.500 revolution it's already happened it happened decades ago it happened with irc chats and we're

02:18:26.820 actually now reaching the end of this one and i think that's something we've commented on before

02:18:32.820 where it seems that the centers of power are have already been trying to adopt our techniques and

02:18:38.260 our strategies and are trying to take memes and the concept of memes and and gravitate that towards

02:18:46.180 an ossifying center of gravity so it's like well what's the next thing how do we what's the next

02:18:53.080 configuration of humanity in the digital space and like i said they keep trying to hit us with

02:18:58.380 new versions of ai and that doesn't seem to take i think there's something to be learned from that

02:19:04.860 Even a company like Meta, where they can throw billions of dollars at it, no one wants it. No one wants to just be a lone individual in a digital space, regardless of how many opportunities you give them. No one similarly wants to just broadcast their thoughts to the entire world. That is the phase shift we're into now. We're actually becoming more digitally local. And what does that mean for the future?

02:19:30.560 And what does that mean for the viral editor? You know, this digital organism, for lack of a better term, that constitutes not a hive mind. I think that's the wrong way to look at it. But it's like, what is the digital world except the metaphysical representation of the discourse?

02:19:52.180 it's the discourse given form

02:19:54.700 it's the discourse itself

02:19:56.720 given its own memory

02:19:58.980 its own behavior and we can actually

02:20:00.680 track how it evolves as

02:20:02.840 if it's this fucking specter we can

02:20:04.860 see and I think

02:20:06.400 that's what's interesting to me and how

02:20:08.800 so when you talk about what's next

02:20:10.700 it's like what is the evolution

02:20:12.260 of that thing

02:20:14.240 this strange

02:20:16.660 digital ghost that we can

02:20:18.700 actually see now as its own distinct

02:20:20.860 thing now i know that was all very you know esoteric strange stuff what do you think about

02:20:26.580 all that wow wow love it and maybe by the end of this by this whole arcs uh finality i'll be on

02:20:38.360 urbit i've had i've had a few people trying to get me on urbit for a year and a half to two years

02:20:45.220 now you'll be on urbit i'll be on mastodon we'll meet by the seashore and we'll shoot each other

02:20:50.820 and it'll finally be over

02:20:53.140 and we can finally

02:20:54.600 stop this show

02:20:57.080 because of this fucking charade

02:20:59.760 someone

02:21:01.140 I think it was

02:21:02.420 someone that was Metaprime actually

02:21:04.800 he was like

02:21:05.300 it was just a riff about how he's infected my computer with a virus

02:21:09.400 and he's like I'm in control of Blood Sally now

02:21:11.340 I said finally I can rest

02:21:13.680 thank you for freeing me

02:21:16.940 and I just turned to dust

02:21:18.940 as I'm reaching out

02:21:20.080 The curse is lifted

02:21:22.960 I'm free

02:21:25.520 Tear falls down my cheek

02:21:29.420 And then sinks into my cheek

02:21:31.100 As I turn into dust

02:21:32.500 Alright I'll let you go now

02:21:35.440 I'll talk to you later

02:21:36.660 Go man

02:21:37.120 Hey baby I hear the blues

02:21:41.000 That call in top salads

02:21:42.460 And scrambled eggs

02:21:44.260 And maybe I seem a bit confused

02:21:48.800 Yeah maybe

02:21:49.920 But I've got you, Greg.

02:21:52.920 All right.

02:21:53.780 I am here with an esteemed guest.

02:21:56.340 I don't use that word lightly.

02:21:57.900 I am here with Matt Arrett, who is the owner of the Canadian Patriot, the author of Science

02:22:05.220 Unshackled, currently and previously, The Clash of Two Americas.

02:22:08.880 You can find him on YouTube at the Canadian Patriot Press and on Substack at the Canadian

02:22:14.780 Patriot Review.

02:22:16.680 And this website, the Canadian Patriot website, you can find just a wealth of articles, videos,

02:22:22.440 and all kinds of amazing content pertaining not only to Canada, but also wider geopolitics

02:22:29.660 and some of the issues that we're going to get into today.

02:22:31.440 So first of all, Matt, thank you so much for taking the time.

02:22:34.340 Hey, thank you for having me on and that very generous introduction.

02:22:38.400 Well, hey, pleasure's all mine.

02:22:40.280 And we were just talking about something, and I'm speedy because I want to make sure I don't forget it.

02:22:44.160 You were talking about a current project that you're engaged in, which I think will cut across a lot of our audience, which is an investigation into, let's call it occult influences in not just Canadian Parliament, although I hope we get to that, but also perhaps other secret societies and the role they play. Would that be correct?

02:23:07.120 Yeah, it's something that my more recent work on certain movies that I've been making with my wife and a filmmaker, a good friend, Jason Dahl, we've started tackling the topic of UFOs and specifically intelligence operations that have been running psychological warfare operations against mostly, I mean, you could say that the Western population, but really the world.

02:23:36.420 for a very long time. And since there's been a lot of mainstream media, corporate media

02:23:43.700 promotion of UFO disclosure, and you've got congressional hearings in Europe and in the

02:23:52.060 US and Mexico, and obviously there's an intention to amplify this narrative. And we, looking at

02:23:59.740 this thing from a geopolitical, historical, epistemological standpoint, recognize that

02:24:05.860 there is a lot of very shadowy agencies that are very dishonest that have been at this for a very

02:24:11.660 long time. And so we decided to turn some of our written work into some films. We've done a couple

02:24:17.920 of episodes so far of an ongoing series on the hidden hand behind UFOs, dealing with the role

02:24:25.600 of people like Alan Dulles, leaders within the MI6, the CIA, and even before that, specifically

02:24:30.360 the Fabian Society, people like H.G. Wells, who set the groundwork for what many have

02:24:36.700 come to call the New World Order well over a century ago, and a bunch of theosophists

02:24:42.500 as well, people like Annie Besant, who was also a Fabian, as was H.G. Wells, and how

02:24:47.720 they created a sort of structure to revive what we've identified.

02:24:51.500 I mean, my team, my wife, Jason, myself, have really recognized this as a revival of

02:24:59.420 ancient pagan mystery cults that used to dominate in the days of the you know the ancient roman

02:25:06.220 empire before that the persian babylonian empire it was a a society run geopolitically banking

02:25:11.860 culturally by cults with initiated priests you know managing the shadows in the cave wall for

02:25:17.860 the the plebes to to believe in and that was um that was a very effective control mechanism it was

02:25:24.000 very debauched. And I think that it got a setback with the unveiling or the effective victory over

02:25:36.920 the pagan systems caused by the whole Judeo-Christian revolution. And they've been

02:25:42.400 working very hard to subvert monotheistic systems from within for the last 2000 years. And when you

02:25:49.840 look at a lot of the roots of things like the Fabian Society that I mentioned, or the Round

02:25:56.300 Table Movement, they were both created around the same time as dominant think tanks of the British

02:26:01.920 Empire that played a direct role in basically trying to take over the world and bringing about

02:26:08.820 this whole one world government. They are tied directly to the ancient mystery cults of things

02:26:14.960 like Mithra, the cult of Mithra that ran the Roman legions, and before that was very active

02:26:20.620 in Persia and Anatolia. And the Fabian Society is largely a revival of the cult of Cybele,

02:26:30.140 an earth mother cult that was also that interfaced closely with Mithra, and took on various forms

02:26:38.400 throughout the years um practicing things like the hallucinian mysteries um covertly usually in

02:26:45.860 underground caverns things like the hellfire club of britain that managed the british empire

02:26:49.660 um was it was a driving force of the maintenance of the hallucinian mysteries and so this is

02:26:55.100 what's also being brought about with the with the the whole aliens you know disclosure movement it

02:27:02.100 It ties very closely in with the sacred drug revivalism that's also being pushed at the

02:27:08.980 same time by Western governments as all different sides of the same ultimate thing.

02:27:14.740 So yeah, this video series has forced us to look at the occult in a more serious way.

02:27:19.380 I've been avoiding it because it's such a crazy thing, but I've been forcing my mind

02:27:23.800 now to take it more seriously.

02:27:25.780 Well, it's interesting because this is a topic that pops up on our show from time to time

02:27:30.220 because as a millennial, I was raised in an era where UFOs are part of the zeitgeist and a big

02:27:37.460 part. And we kind of keep up with it. And it's in the news a lot, a lot of disclosure events,

02:27:43.500 but it seems off. And we would remark, you know, sometimes we would see, oh, this so-and-so high

02:27:49.060 ranking member disclosure event in front of the world, in front of Congress. And then we say,

02:27:53.400 what happens next? And nothing seems to happen. And I say, well, that's odd. What is this? And

02:27:59.300 What's interesting is that there seem to be more and more people who suspect that something's up, something is fake about this, something is wrong.

02:28:07.900 This feels like, when I talk to people at our sphere, UFOs, they're like, yeah, but that's just a show.

02:28:14.500 What's really going on behind that?

02:28:16.640 And I think that is part of the narrative as well.

02:28:19.460 What do you think about that?

02:28:20.340 Yeah, well, there's definitely, I mean, part of human history is secret science programs that are tied to military agendas. That goes back to ancient times, right? You can't let your military secrets out. A big driving force of technological progress is located in getting a job done.

02:28:41.660 Now, it doesn't have to be in military situations alone that that you can get that effect. In fact, it works better and it's more healthy when it's done. You know, there's a saying where there is no vision and the people perish.

02:28:53.160 If you have a great, you know, noble human being in a politically influential position as a leader, then they will have a tendency, then they're very rare in human history. But when they emerge, they will challenge people to do something great that's multi-generational and that can channel the forces of creative passion and unleash that creativity embedded in all babies in a way that is natural, right?

02:29:21.420 However, most of the time, unfortunately, since we've been living under empire in various degrees, we've never broken free of that.

02:29:30.200 War has been a driving experience or a driver for a goal orientation that channels new discoveries.

02:29:39.380 Unfortunately, because it occurs within a geopolitical environment, secrecy is high value.

02:29:47.420 So that's that's part of our life. You know, even today, a lot of da Vinci's work on military systems are still are still not even known what what machinery was developed. A lot of it is was was never made public. A lot of it is, but not not all of it. So that's just interesting, right? How the Egyptians did a lot of the things regarding the constructions of ancient structures in Egypt. A lot of those technologies. And I'm not I'm here not referring to aliens. I'm not referring to Atlanteans. I just mean that there were.

02:30:17.420 There was advanced tech that that like lenses that would allow for the melting of of of sulfites of sand into glass that could create different structures.

02:30:31.660 Anyway, I'm getting off on a right here, but I was going to say because on our show, we had done a little bit of a arc on a few books on Atlantis on, you know, these sorts of ancient myths.

02:30:44.120 And then that tied into like Hyperborea and stuff like that. But it seems that every few months, there's some large story about how the Sphinx is older than we thought, or the pyramids are older than we thought because of such and such an evidence.

02:30:59.080 And it seems to be generally accepted now that things are much older than we used to believe.

02:31:04.780 And so you have these myths of these ancient civilizations that were hand waved away.

02:31:09.980 But now there's at least kind of picking around the edges of some kind of investigation into, no, I think we were far more advanced at a far earlier time than we are given credit for.

02:31:22.980 And that will get you laughed out of certain science circles.

02:31:26.600 But why not?

02:31:27.280 like that actually doesn't even sound that kooky to me um because it would actually sound more

02:31:33.260 ridiculous that there was just these like leaps of advance where they happened fairly recently

02:31:36.660 so the idea that there was advanced technology that advanced understanding of construction at

02:31:42.020 a far earlier time shouldn't sound that insane to most people and if it does sound insane it's

02:31:47.840 because they've been brainwashed into thinking that's just something you're not supposed to

02:31:51.180 talk about otherwise people won't take you seriously yeah there's a lot of intimidation

02:31:55.200 there. And yeah, like my point, because I didn't want to lose my trail of thought, but that's sort

02:32:01.080 of the life we've been living under. There have been in the 20th century secret science programs

02:32:06.160 in World War I, especially in World War II with the Manhattan Project. And so people were, you

02:32:15.180 know, definitely seeing, you know, things that were unexplained flying objects, drones, early

02:32:22.520 advanced drone tech, remote controlled using various Tesla coils, things like that. The flying

02:32:29.280 saucer tech was being developed, as we know, by the Germans and by the Italians had some very

02:32:34.840 frontier aerospace researchers working on ways to get around radar. So the best type of structure

02:32:41.460 to avoid radar is the sphere, but a sphere doesn't fly well. So the next best thing is to flatten the

02:32:46.780 sphere and you can sort of avoid radar pretty effectively that way. And so the saucer geometry

02:32:51.500 became an obvious thing to look at. But when, you know, a lot of these scientists were absorbed by

02:32:59.200 the winning countries after World War II, and a lot of the higher Nazi, you know, high command

02:33:05.860 was basically given new jobs to create things like NATO, you know, or given new employment

02:33:12.680 with the MI6 and CIA apparatus under Dulles. That's a fact. That's called Operation Gladio

02:33:18.160 or NATO's secret armies. It involved also people seeing things like unidentified flying machinery

02:33:26.920 when they look out their windows or unvetted pilots would see something that they couldn't

02:33:32.240 explain and they would report it when they'd landed through their superior officers if they

02:33:36.820 were with the military or something. And so a story had to be concocted to give people

02:33:41.540 an explanation of what it was that they were seeing and so you know partially the the ets

02:33:48.520 from another planet was a useful way to do that and deflate the the danger of people actually

02:33:54.560 looking into what was this you know this tech you weren't supposed to be uh developing or knowing

02:34:00.400 about during the cold war but it but there was a there's never just like one objective alone there

02:34:05.820 there's multiple levels of usefulness to these types of stories and the most useful for the

02:34:11.760 oligarchy like i said has been the revival of a of a new type of um of religious order that would

02:34:20.400 that would redefine or reframe what we thought christianity was what jesus was what muhammad was

02:34:27.060 all these things around an idea that these were people either you know there's different variations

02:34:31.660 of the theme but you know either they were accessing aliens from another dimension through

02:34:37.380 drug use because let's say they were all in initiates of the lucinian mysteries or something

02:34:42.980 that's one of the the popular lines that people like graham hancock have been pushing on you know

02:34:47.860 variety of platforms um or that yeah jesus was himself perhaps an alien as well a lot of it is

02:34:53.760 tied to theosophists and theosophist ideology and i wanted to just make a little tangent there

02:35:00.120 On our show, people, our listeners might recall, we discussed a book written in 1964 titled

02:35:07.160 When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger.

02:35:10.780 And a lot of people, like the 60s are such a fascinating time.

02:35:13.500 We've done a lot of coverage on books in and around the 60s and the counterculture movement.

02:35:18.120 And during that era, 60s and 70s, there was such a rise in, and I don't think they've

02:35:24.200 really gone away, especially with Scientology, but a rise in sort of UFO messianic cults.

02:35:30.120 And this book followed, it's just one big long documentation of a study they did on this one small UFO doomsday cult.

02:35:37.840 And it was the same thing.

02:35:39.080 It was the center of it was just this woman who claimed that she could divine communication with this alien representative of the species.

02:35:48.760 Same thing.

02:35:49.440 It's that, oh, we were also Jesus.

02:35:51.300 Oh, we were also Muhammad.

02:35:52.740 All of your figures, anyone you could think of, you know, we were it.

02:35:56.060 and so it is it was quite literally replacing jesus with this alien who in every single instance

02:36:04.240 they're also like arians too they're also blonde white blue eyed you know in robes and stuff i

02:36:10.980 don't know if that's related it's just a thing that seems to happen a lot uh but yeah and you

02:36:15.740 still see that uh now it doesn't make news but it almost the next evolution of that is this um

02:36:23.160 you see the narrative of ufos evolve over time it's like even whenever people see those pill

02:36:28.840 objects that are flying through the sky a lot of people assume oh that's uh that's either the

02:36:33.520 government or the new narrative it's that it's interdimensional beings we no longer believe

02:36:39.280 they're from another planet it's kind of evolved to a more complex mythology that i would argue

02:36:44.600 more people believe so it's like in this next phase right now you got it yeah that and that

02:36:51.080 that was largely, um, innovated. Um, I think in the modern incarnation by an OSS, um, agent based

02:37:01.700 in Switzerland, who you might've heard of named, uh, Carl Young. Yeah. Yeah. He was, uh, actually

02:37:09.060 an advisor to Dulles. Um, and he trained actually several high level MK ultra scientists, including,

02:37:15.520 I think Henry Murray was put under deep Jungian analysis for years.

02:37:23.800 Henry Murray is the guy who created the Unabomber and ran Harvard's psilocybin project with Timothy Leary.

02:37:31.380 But a lot of these things.

02:37:32.160 And Jung wrote a book on flying saucers.

02:37:34.660 And it was sort of a guide manual for social engineers to create a new priest class, basically.

02:37:42.200 Like what you need to know.

02:37:43.160 Kind of like what Joseph Campbell was doing with the Changing Images of Man project that he was a part of at the SRI in the 70s.

02:37:52.720 They were all participating in the same study of ancient pagan belief structures and superstitions and how to find the universal traits of various stories that could then be retweaked in a modern sort of science age.

02:38:09.080 And just for people who are listening, Joseph Campbell, people might recognize him, especially if you're into screenwriting. He gave us what a lot of people know as the monomyth, or this belief that every single religious and mythological story follows essentially the same beats. That's what he was saying.

02:38:27.040 yep and there's there's a lot of truth to that you know he's using a lot of the the young in

02:38:32.560 archetypical uh archetypes as part of his analysis to look for like what are the universal patterns

02:38:37.500 of various stories of shamanistic cultures and different cultures of the world to sort of

02:38:42.460 see if you could dilute or extract from that a successful recipe book for um new sacred stories

02:38:49.900 in the future you know the the overcoming of the uh the uh the shadow demon whatever it is the

02:38:58.300 guardian at the threshold idea that part of the initiation process of within the grail myths

02:39:03.560 um which is part of which was themselves sort of a revamped hallucinian mystery play of the

02:39:10.700 medieval era involved the encountering of a guardian at the threshold which is sort of like

02:39:15.480 our inner shadow like the the the and and if you fail you can die you know that's part of the

02:39:24.080 thing as part of the initiation of the higher the higher rights of initiation um if if you succeed

02:39:30.440 it means you've just successfully integrated with your shadow which is basically resolving

02:39:35.880 transcending all ideas of right and wrong and moral custom and becoming fully sort of like

02:39:41.240 individuated as a as a being of pure will this is like what what alistair crowley was investigating

02:39:47.040 and participating in with his demonology and his work interfacing with his his shadow demons

02:39:54.640 um and you know coming out victorious and then developing what he called thelema

02:39:59.320 which was channeled to him by one of these creatures as he says at least uh from his psyche

02:40:05.300 um also you want to talk uh interesting i don't even call it a conspiracy theory because it's it's

02:40:11.720 true but the connection between crowley and the cia because crowley was for a long time understood

02:40:17.880 to be effectively in the cia's pocket yeah well he was recruited to mi before there was mi6 uh he

02:40:26.060 was he was recruited as a young occultist and and given um a very you know special experience at

02:40:33.240 cambridge in the 1890s and uh he was he was brought into the the hermetic order of the golden dawn

02:40:40.060 uh at its earliest earliest phase along with people like uh bram stoker the innovator of uh

02:40:47.200 erotic death um and so crowley yeah he was he was working there's a book called secret agent 666

02:40:54.120 good decent book um going through his role as a british intelligence um agent before during and

02:41:01.560 after World War I and leading up through World War II. Definitely interfaced with American

02:41:05.960 intelligence too. But American intelligence, as I've come to understand it, has been essentially

02:41:10.460 a branch, a sub-branch of British intelligence. There's no such thing as American intelligence

02:41:15.260 anymore as far as I, again, my research has led me to understand it. But yeah, Crowley,

02:41:21.320 just like Young, just like Campbell, are tied on many degrees with occult intelligence operations.

02:41:28.140 um i think crowley directly had a had a role to play also in the sinking of the lusitania

02:41:34.000 he was a acting like a double agent um you know with deep connections to the british

02:41:39.480 german high command acting like he was a pro-german patriot in america and spy giving intel

02:41:45.560 uh that was given to him because he had handlers from this um i don't want to go off into too many

02:41:52.220 tangents but it's useful i guess uh there's something called the sleepy hollow country

02:41:55.760 club that was created by, I think it was William Rockefeller. And it was overseen by the deputy

02:42:04.080 head of MI5, Claude Dancy, who actually ended up creating the Black Chamber, which was the first

02:42:12.760 sort of modern American military intelligence agency that became the NSA. That was the co-founder

02:42:20.700 and second, the deputy head of MI5.

02:42:23.940 So Claude Dancy was running Sleepy Hollow.

02:42:27.460 And you had several leading members

02:42:30.000 of the Eastern establishment

02:42:31.380 that was running out of Sleepy Hollow

02:42:32.900 as a country club in, I think it's New York State.

02:42:36.700 No, I'm not even too sure about the specific location

02:42:39.180 that were running Crowley

02:42:41.340 and giving Crowley information

02:42:43.020 from their agents and contacts in the government

02:42:48.540 that were then given to the Germans

02:42:50.220 who got information that munitions were being sent on the Lusitania passenger ship.

02:42:56.280 And with that information, the neutrality agreement was breached

02:43:00.200 and the ship was sunk as a way to try to get the U.S. into World War II

02:43:05.740 to save the ass of the British because they needed America in.

02:43:09.340 So yeah, Crowley was playing some very, very disgusting games

02:43:12.560 while he was developing Thelema.

02:43:14.320 Basically, the idea of do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law

02:43:19.040 was the essence of Thelema, right?

02:43:22.260 That's the one law.

02:43:23.380 It's basically Satanism.

02:43:24.700 Yeah, I was about to say,

02:43:25.720 a lot of this connects,

02:43:26.880 a lot of these satanic cults

02:43:28.600 seem to be underlined by this one common thing,

02:43:31.940 which is sometimes running towards the obscene

02:43:35.880 and the taboo and the despicable

02:43:37.560 as a wall of fire you pass through

02:43:39.840 to achieve the ultimate individuality.

02:43:43.080 Yeah, it's the way to break you free

02:43:45.500 of all of the constraints to your freedom to do whatever you want, which is like, you

02:43:53.320 know, the traditions of your society, the moral ethics and customs and the belief in

02:43:57.780 God and family and morality, all of these things are like shackles keeping you back

02:44:03.300 from being who you really are.

02:44:05.420 And so you can only do that by breaking your shackles by integrating with your, again,

02:44:09.280 integrating with your shadow in a very literal way that involves doing very, learning how

02:44:14.940 to love doing things that are reprehensible so crowley has advice on how do you select your best

02:44:20.720 human sacrifice a young boy who's like a single like of a lone child with no siblings of the age

02:44:29.160 of six to seven or something is what he prescribes is one of the best sacrifices and then he says oh

02:44:34.040 i was just joking nobody would say that but it's like dude you're a satanist and people do do that

02:44:40.140 So I was just kidding defense. I've heard that before. And also for people, you know, this sounds like something to some ears. That's something that like a pro wrestling villain would do. But as we covered in the there's various cases like the Finders and the Franklin cover up where there's no shortage of regular people who would love to get in on something like this.

02:45:02.560 There's regular everyday people, guys who run banks, guys who run car dealerships, who would love to get a pass to the champagne room of society.

02:45:13.280 And if you told them, well, you're going to have to kill five kids, they would probably do.

02:45:17.380 Maybe not a billion, but a couple million people on Earth, at least I bet, would do that.

02:45:24.100 And maybe you even know a couple.

02:45:25.580 So it's not like it's the craziest thing because a lot of people find this stuff kind of cool, especially now.

02:45:31.900 um in such a fallen state that we're in um and i had one question follow-up but you had mentioned

02:45:38.460 you know the sleepy hollow club in your research would most of these clubs this one was founded

02:45:44.820 by rockefeller are they still active do you think there might be even more now or less or what do

02:45:49.840 you think yeah i mean people know of things like bohemian grove that's over 130 years old um but

02:45:57.400 itself was you know it was it was a subgroup created on the model of uh the already existent

02:46:05.420 um monteverita in switzerland ascona uh which was an older more sort of senior bohemian grove

02:46:13.980 in uh in in switzerland which is still very active today as a center of occult

02:46:19.440 operations bohemian grove people is more famous i guess but but i'd say scone is more important

02:46:26.420 that's where they they've you know a lot of the people have probably seen some of the weird

02:46:30.600 rituals unveiled by the at cern um yeah we didn't get a chance to talk about that on the show

02:46:38.380 but i might show that the next live stream they did some bizarre shit when they were unveiling

02:46:44.500 cern you know i would it would make sense if it was boring but it was like a 40 minute long

02:46:50.520 you know anthropomorphic interpretive dance with pagan rituals it was it was shockingly strange

02:46:57.420 it's so bad yeah and so i could say something about that but i don't want to derail too much

02:47:02.840 but i guess the in the quickest way um physics as a whole see this is the thing people don't

02:47:08.500 often understand how physics itself or the thing we call science is not i mean it's not pure right

02:47:17.000 The thing we define as science, good practice, or what is good science is, I would say, the principled battlefront because who shapes science shapes our understanding of human nature.

02:47:33.960 What is the mind? What is the mind capable of?

02:47:36.820 And there was a battle.

02:47:39.720 Around the turn of the century, there were a lot of big discoveries happening on the macrocosm, on the microcosm, in chemistry, and you name it.

02:47:46.340 And a lot of big technologies were being developed positively that disproved. Every time we had a new breakthrough and new freedom to make new technologies in the material world, we all of a sudden were able to leap beyond the limits that were previously there while we were ignorant, which were the Malthusian population constraints.

02:48:07.080 So the empire and all feudalists always want their victims to abide by limits, real or imagined. The limits of the mind is a big one. So when we make discoveries, we disrupt the Malthusian formula of population reduction justifications.

02:48:26.980 So science is a big battlefront. If you get good science and good scientists who really love truth more than their own axioms, it's contagious and it's very natural and anybody can do it. And it's not something for an elite. Like the discovery of the laws of nature are there for everybody who has passion and the ability to cultivate the use of their mind as an instrument that can be made better or made worse if they use it unwisely.

02:48:49.660 like any instrument um so there was a fight that peaked i would say in the 20s

02:48:56.020 um in solvay there was a series of conferences and you had the the actual scientists who were

02:49:02.280 called the you know considered the old guard madame curie uh max planck and einstein and

02:49:07.880 people who were who actually had made real discoveries that that were like provable

02:49:15.240 And then you had the new mathematicians, followers of people like Bertrand Russell. And a lot of these newer mathematicians circled a figure named Niels Bohr, who was, in my understanding, he was an occultist.

02:49:31.120 um people like oppenheimer too they were there were people who didn't they call themselves

02:49:35.400 scientists but they were more mathematical probability theorists who denied the the

02:49:41.440 possibility of truth because because in their in their view um all we could know where it was

02:49:49.220 was probability was maybes and so they they put that type of uh filter onto the minds of anybody

02:49:57.060 dumb enough to follow them as the guides into what science is now the thing about all of these people

02:50:01.420 like heisenberg and the copenhagen school of under under bohr and so many others uh they never made

02:50:07.440 any discoveries they created descriptive models which might have had a limited amount of practical

02:50:12.920 use but a very limited amount but they didn't make discoveries it was only description that and so

02:50:17.860 they wanted to say science and this is where the idea that science is not about discovering why

02:50:22.300 things are but only discovering uh how things are within degrees of probability that that's a

02:50:28.400 contamination and the fact that occultists um often tied to theosophical agencies are all over this

02:50:37.180 mess um they derailed science and that's when you know people kind of make fun of einstein for not

02:50:41.980 not being able to adapt to the new reality that god does play dice with the universe god is a

02:50:47.620 gambler um he refused to accept that because he was like no i made discoveries of things that i

02:50:52.960 can hold on to that i know are true and it wasn't based on a maybe thing um and so anyway that this

02:50:59.800 is what became the the the fund the funding mechanism or the the driver for things like

02:51:05.840 tokamaks particle accelerators all the stuff so science was was induced to become crazier and

02:51:11.320 crazier over several generations where increasingly multiple dimensions that you could never prove

02:51:17.380 but but existed because the math you know like this this math this this theory of string of

02:51:23.120 string theory uh requires you know 13 dimensions this other version of it requires 19 dimensions

02:51:29.400 this other one has 833 000 versions or dimensions to justify again like i said things that are only

02:51:36.620 mathematical fictions created to make an elegant model but have no testability function and it's

02:51:43.620 interesting um for anyone who wants to peer into this um every so often i'll kind of dip into the

02:51:50.020 sphere of theoretical physics all these people have youtube channels as well you can peer into

02:51:54.660 these debates for example like steven wolfram and um who's that guy eric weinstein like a lot of

02:52:01.460 these guys who are into theoretical physics they're just hammering string theory for the exact reason

02:52:07.220 you have said which is like you need it doesn't work it might have worked it's been 20 years of

02:52:12.440 you guys fucking around why are you doing this um and i also wanted to mention i just want to call

02:52:18.080 people's attention there's a phrase you had said that i want to underline which is uh science

02:52:23.040 destroys the malthusian limits of the mind uh leading to a population explosion i just think

02:52:28.720 that's worth uh repeating because i never heard that before it's a very interesting way of looking

02:52:32.400 at it and also remarking on einstein sorry just before i forget um i love the sort of demarcation

02:52:39.260 you had given there between a type of scientist that doesn't exist anymore because Einstein's a

02:52:44.940 good example, but also Charles Darwin. Charles Darwin was a very, very serious thinker who,

02:52:50.520 and him and Einstein, like we just said, seriously considered the implications,

02:52:55.000 the philosophical implications of what they had discovered. They tried, they would take these and

02:53:01.000 try and at least ascertain the impact of what it was. And I think that is completely missing to

02:53:06.540 your point there is no consideration whatsoever in the metaphysics of it all because that was an

02:53:12.500 alien to scientists back then and the further you go back to even around the enlightenment era like

02:53:17.820 there was a much more synergy between people who had a keen interest in the the the materialist

02:53:25.140 sciences but also philosophy and the metaphysics of it there to separate those two wouldn't occur

02:53:30.740 to them but that occurs now you you have to keep them separate and that's how you get all this

02:53:35.460 weird shit yeah and it's there's a lot there's a lot of things i could say to what you just said

02:53:39.920 but i i think the the the point that i'll i'll touch upon is um there's always going to be a

02:53:46.420 metaphysical implication to anything physical that you say and talk about no matter how much

02:53:49.920 people want to deny it it's implicit right even if people deny that there's a an ontological truth

02:53:55.860 as the the statistical probability theorists all assert that there's no truth it's like well that's

02:54:01.340 already a metaphysical statement. The denial of something like a universal is itself, you're

02:54:06.020 trying to universalize a negation of a universal. So it's already a metaphysical thing you can't

02:54:10.980 prove. So, you know, the positivists, the radical empiricists, they're all, they have an implicit

02:54:16.040 metaphysics, though they won't admit it. So they're just not consistent with themselves.

02:54:20.960 That's one thing. But I would say on a higher level, those who brought in and organized the

02:54:25.980 Solvay Conference and the derailing of science knew a little bit more what they were doing.

02:54:30.120 and part of the way so the the two best ways to to undermine science number one is to destroy it

02:54:37.740 completely it but that doesn't always like the old you know burn it all down burn the burn

02:54:42.440 burn through inquisition or whatever the those who are making discoveries or might make discoveries

02:54:48.760 you know if that doesn't work and discoveries are still happening the next best thing to do is try

02:54:53.360 to subvert it from within say i you know co-opt it and and redefine what the thing is that you

02:55:00.540 actually don't want people understanding um so that's part of what the rosicrucian movement was

02:55:05.640 was doing you know a bunch of the cabalists um who took over control of of the of britain and

02:55:13.100 turned it more and more into an empire over the course especially people like henry the eighth

02:55:16.940 and you know he had a bunch of cabalistic advisors like francesco zorzi who oversaw the creation of

02:55:22.280 things like the Anglican Church Schism. And these networks, often you'll find when you scratch on

02:55:29.860 that surface, and people like Webster Tarplay did some really good work on this, are going to bring

02:55:35.180 you directly into the Venetian high command. A lot of the old Venetian black nobility that were

02:55:41.500 the carryovers of the controllers of the Roman Empire will be found there. And just to call

02:55:46.920 people's attention, if that is what I think it is, that you have this article on your site

02:55:51.060 called The Anglo-Venetian Roots of the Deep State.

02:55:55.040 Would that be related to that?

02:55:56.660 Yeah, that's a book I wrote,

02:55:59.220 volume four of my Clash of the Two Americas series.

02:56:02.080 And that's a good intro book

02:56:03.680 for people who want to get their first degree

02:56:05.380 sort of like teeth into the thing.

02:56:07.100 That's a good book to start with.

02:56:09.920 But yeah, we often hear of people like John Dee,

02:56:13.800 a leading occultist, numerologist

02:56:17.940 uh who ran intelligence under elizabeth queen elizabeth uh people like francis bacon another

02:56:24.840 intelligence operative pseudoscientist occultist um there's a lot there's robert flood there's

02:56:30.900 there's a whole network of these people who you know they they gave rise to what's known as the

02:56:34.740 invisible college uh these were were rosicrucians they were they were the ones carrying out the

02:56:40.720 lucidian mystery uh initiation ceremonies and in caverns that gave rise to things like the

02:56:45.660 Hellfire Club that had on the cavern under Francis Dashwood's estate when people would enter into one

02:56:52.160 of these things. And this is where you had a lot of the eyes wide shut ceremonies going on and

02:56:56.420 other things under the Medminham manor. It basically said, do what thou wilt shall be the

02:57:05.980 whole of the law. That was that was the engraving that's still there. Visit tourists can go and see

02:57:09.520 that um all of the the leaders of the british empire were members of this of this thing uh

02:57:17.200 during the most evil transition periods and um when you look at the birth of the royal society

02:57:22.600 which tried to gain a monopoly over what is good practice in science that's entirely run by

02:57:28.140 occultists who are managing things like isaac newton you know and that's not even slander i'm

02:57:32.880 not i'm not make like people can back this up isaac newton um as john maynard keens pointed out was

02:57:38.360 not the first of the modern scientists, as people believed. He wrote John Maynard Keynes,

02:57:42.640 who bought the chest of Newton papers, which was all alchemical witchcraft and numerology.

02:57:49.540 He said he was, no, he's actually the last of the Babylonian priests. And he had handlers,

02:57:53.880 he had managers who were stealing ideas that were being made and discoveries that were being made

02:57:58.160 by people like Godfrey Leibniz and people like Kepler and Huygens and real discoverers and real

02:58:03.560 continental scientists, even British scientists. There were some really good ones like Flamsteed

02:58:08.180 and Stephen Gray, who were making real great discoveries in electromagnetism and things

02:58:13.280 like that.

02:58:13.720 And they were plagiarized, stolen, you know, and turned into formulas that could be just

02:58:18.620 accessed through memory and memorization, but not understanding of what made the discovery

02:58:24.500 that Eureka possible.

02:58:26.100 And it was then given an association with a controlled figure like a Newton who said,

02:58:31.760 I don't make hypotheses and neither should you.

02:58:33.400 And if anybody wants to be a real discoverer like me, you should not make hypotheses.

02:58:38.180 And that's one of the first rules of reasoning of Newton and his Principia. So as soon as you do that, you're mentally castrated. You're screwed. You can't make a discovery if you don't make hypotheses. But people would still make discoveries despite these derailments.

02:58:55.320 And in the 20th century, especially with the Solvay Conference, they want to sort of keep the fruits of great science for the use of the oligarchy, the wannabe masters of the universe.

02:59:09.180 But to to keep it as mysterious as possible, they have to sort of smear it with a thick coating of crazy.

02:59:16.340 um and this were things like the multiple dimensional people have wasted their whole

02:59:22.620 careers and billions of dollars of resources in exploring new models of string theory and

02:59:28.800 variations on the theme um which again it's not provable and it opens up the door to

02:59:34.160 philosophical speculations of interdimensional beings that we can then communicate with and

02:59:40.080 And which is why people like Joseph, not Joseph Campbell, sorry, Jacques Vallée is a member of what's called in the 60s, the Invisible College.

02:59:51.720 It was a take directly on the old Rosicrucian Invisible College of the occultists running the Royal Society of the 17th, 18th centuries.

02:59:58.920 And they basically, it was rebranded or retooled, repurposed under a bunch of quantum physicists, Jacques Vallée, and also anthropologists and CIA analysts like J. Allen Hynek was the founder of this modern invisible college.

03:00:14.300 He became one of the pioneers of alien disclosure.

03:00:17.400 He was interfacing with people like Carl Jung.

03:00:20.160 And one of his prodigies was this fellow named Jacques Vallée.

03:00:23.940 And Jacques Vallée is still alive.

03:00:25.740 He's a very big figure in the UFO disclosure movement.

03:00:29.940 And he's the one who innovated this idea of interdimensional extraterrestrial hypotheses in this late 60s with his Prisoner to Magonia or something.

03:00:40.320 Prisoner to Magonia?

03:00:41.880 Anyway, it's a book where he first lays out in a popular fashion that aliens are not from our dimension but from other dimensions.

03:00:48.820 and that you can better access these other dimensions

03:00:52.160 by putting the brain on what MKUltra was doing.

03:00:56.100 It's the different psychedelic drugs.

03:00:57.720 Yeah, and also I'm reminded of the sharp rise

03:01:02.680 in awareness of DMT over the past few years.

03:01:05.580 And that seems to, the one thing everyone says about DMT

03:01:08.300 is it lets you communicate with interdimensional beings.

03:01:12.160 They call them machine elves,

03:01:13.520 but it seems to be that everyone gets into it

03:01:15.820 because they want to do this one thing,

03:01:17.460 which is talk to interdimensional beings which makes it more sacred it's less that's how they

03:01:22.700 justify it there's like sacred orgies there's like the vulgar orgies and the vulgar drug use

03:01:27.280 which is just they they look down on that they're like no that's not for us we're into the sacred

03:01:31.500 orgies and the sacred drug use so we're doing it for different we don't want to just get high

03:01:36.180 we want to talk to spirit beings so for us it's okay it's it's actually beautiful a beautiful

03:01:43.380 thing um so you get this weird arrogance and the whole uh self-delusion of of grandeur that the

03:01:51.460 people these these these these cultish figures start feeling in their heart which is conducive

03:01:56.940 to uh the whole you know integrating with the shadow and starting to learn how to maybe you

03:02:03.340 know channel beings by doing things that normal humans would find reprehensible but maybe on that

03:02:10.240 higher level of higher truths that are beyond good and evil, maybe these sacrifices, you know,

03:02:16.640 or whatever pizza gate-y type of things you can imagine are actually kind of beautiful maybe,

03:02:21.760 you know, and so you get this weird world that they start, and they start justifying it by

03:02:25.460 science, but science says, you know, look at quantum mechanics and neuroscience, they'll

03:02:31.040 come up with their own peer-reviewed papers that then justify how there's scientific backing to

03:02:36.680 their their plunge into this drug laced ecstasy or another and how everything is possible

03:02:43.100 because again quantum mechanics is everything everything may be you know and multiple universes

03:02:48.180 there's as many as many possibilities of things that could be actually are and there are universes

03:02:54.400 where i can turn into a purple hippopotamus with with wings that that that flies through walls

03:03:00.340 and because i can imagine it it is possible because it is possible there is another reality

03:03:04.800 that is out there where that is possible and is happening and then you know you got marvel comics

03:03:09.300 and culture promoting like multiverses yes i was going to get to that which is interesting because

03:03:14.080 i like to see how all of this filters down to the whole middle of the bell curve regular people

03:03:21.020 people who don't who are not into weird stuff like we are and the average person of maybe a

03:03:25.900 middling iq has a pretty comprehensive understanding of a multiverse theory which is shocking um and

03:03:33.520 it's interesting that you know if you explain this to someone who was living 100 years ago their

03:03:37.620 mind would contort but your your layperson has understanding of interdimensional selves

03:03:43.440 interacting through gravity sometimes and that see i'm like what impact does that have on people

03:03:50.440 and i'm just i always come back to um maybe and maybe this is a through line through what we're

03:03:55.960 talking about which is over time the public's not only tolerance of this but maybe enthusiastic

03:04:01.860 support like those people who are partaking in these terrible sacred rituals some people might

03:04:09.400 think well those are the people who drive culture so maybe they should do that you know and you see

03:04:14.360 like all the jeffrey epstein spirit cooking stuff people like well maybe that's cool maybe that is

03:04:19.500 beautiful that's already kind of started um and one thing i was thinking i was thinking about this

03:04:24.780 earlier as you were talking about bohemian grove like i saw i remember within my lifetime how

03:04:31.520 bohemian grove was treated as this thing only insane people thought about then it was something

03:04:37.100 that people said well it exists but it's it's not what you think it's completely normal and now

03:04:43.240 people know it's real and think it's weird but they just think it's all right and just the

03:04:48.980 example i have there is i saw an interview with kid rock on joe rogan america's kid rock uh maga

03:04:57.440 superstar he's talking about how he went to bohemian grove just as a guest um this would

03:05:04.160 have been recent and he's on there you know joe rogan he's all about this stuff where he used to

03:05:07.640 be and then kid rock said yeah it's no big deal and they're like oh did they have the cremation

03:05:13.000 of care it's like yeah but whatever i'm like okay well lighting a giant owl deity on fire that's

03:05:18.300 weird and you're in robes he's like yeah but whatever i'm like it's it's strange to see

03:05:23.660 someone like that just admitting that it's all true people all the richest people get together

03:05:29.440 and do that but whatever who cares i'm like i don't know if you explained that to me 15 years

03:05:34.720 ago i would have never believed anyone would be open with that but now they do yeah yeah i know

03:05:40.120 me too it's uh it's shocking and less less i guess shocking but not surprising unfortunately

03:05:46.080 um the um you know when you when you start looking at a lot of the things we've taken for granted

03:05:52.200 we were talking about science and and like common tropes of what we believe science to be

03:05:59.280 and we're told you know there are all these god heads of science Stephen Hawking's like this

03:06:03.240 almost like demigod you know figure and who's buried right between Newton and Darwin and you

03:06:10.240 know like there are these untouchable sort of this pantheon of secular sort of deities as I see it

03:06:15.920 um who are not making discoveries they're making models descriptive models and they're tied to

03:06:20.640 occult intelligence networks or even hawkings you know like this guy's paraplegic i i don't even

03:06:26.640 think that he was you know i don't i don't think he was necessarily even believing the things that

03:06:32.160 that they had coming out of the robot or the interpreter in the 80s uh when he would just

03:06:35.920 mumble things like chewbacca and you know this that you'd have an interpreter before he had his

03:06:39.680 robot uh machinery going through these elaborate expositions of like string theory and the universe

03:06:46.520 and everything and you know this guy was just against sounding like chewbacca so that's probably

03:06:50.500 a bit of a sick joke but he's also going to epstein island too i mean there's there's weird

03:06:55.200 things there yeah i don't know what to make of that you would you always hear like why is steven

03:07:00.640 hawk going to epstein island maybe it is something weird it's just weird i i don't i don't know what

03:07:06.520 kind of physical pleasure somebody like that can have but it's weird that we know what what epstein

03:07:11.700 is kind of but even there it's like why do you have this babylonian style temple on your island

03:07:19.100 what's below the island what's in what you know what there's there's stories but it obviously

03:07:23.480 is tied to the sorts of things that have gone public in recent years like jimmy seville

03:07:27.240 and the vast array of pedophilia networks that are tied to the the the you know british aristocracy

03:07:33.200 and senators and or lords i should say and and members of parliament and that's all public that's

03:07:38.720 that's like not even conspiracy theory stuff so that's we're talking about some science stuff

03:07:43.620 we're talking about some some culture stuff but if you look at the culture as a whole

03:07:46.700 very little of the stuff is untainted by um artificial manipulation by intelligence agencies

03:07:55.080 that wanted to create perverse dynamics of passions and aesthetics um especially at the

03:08:00.740 end of world war ii when things like the congress for cultural freedom was created um by people

03:08:07.240 like uh uh arthur kursler who was again working with the cia as a cultural social engineer bertrand

03:08:13.440 russell was a part of this uh the founder of the neoconservative movement a former trotskyite

03:08:17.640 named uh uh leo strauss no but he also was involved um with this network but no i'm thinking

03:08:28.120 of um burnham james burnham oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he was a co-founder of the uh the

03:08:35.820 congress for cultural freedom and this is a cover an excuse to pour hundreds of millions of dollars

03:08:41.300 of cia money that was mostly taken from you know german nazi gold and and fascist japanese gold and

03:08:47.340 was self-funded uh to be a black budget off the books you know agency um that promoted

03:08:53.600 the growth of things like modern art, abstract art, contemporary art, atonal music,

03:09:01.200 existential nihilistic literature that people would otherwise have normally thought was just

03:09:05.880 existential trash, not worth two cents, all of a sudden got huge patronage.

03:09:12.140 And it created a new fake demand that a supply was then created to satisfy, whereby schools,

03:09:19.600 universities began modifying their their philosophy of teaching of what good art is what good literature

03:09:26.500 is and people wanted the grants so they started like you know tuning their hearts to become

03:09:32.200 creators of productions that would then make them fame make them you know get them the grants

03:09:38.040 whatever um but ultimately just kept on adding to the rotten entropy of civilization because

03:09:44.440 the logic of the cia running this thing was um well the cold war is is created a new divide

03:09:54.520 and so they they falsely said communism is going to be we're going to define the art and aesthetics

03:10:00.280 of of the communist world order as being realism which is tied to like strict obedience to

03:10:06.760 perceived truth that's imposed. And so the art of freedom of democracy will be abstract

03:10:15.000 irrationalism, emotions liberated from the tyranny of logic and of reason. And so they created this

03:10:20.820 weird Manichaean dualism in society. And then you could just see how this fed back into the

03:10:25.560 training of economists, the science of basically managing human production consumption. The

03:10:32.420 economists became increasingly you can kill more people with a stroke of a pen as an economist as

03:10:37.780 john perkins said right uh working for the world bank than you can as a dictator of like uh angola

03:10:42.740 um so and then the scientists were also increasingly tuned to an irrational universe of

03:10:50.460 of ugliness that then shaped how they then constructed their their scientific uh experiments

03:10:57.940 and the the models that they chose to try to generate to justify a metaphysical hype because

03:11:04.460 again we all have hypotheses even if we don't admit it we do and so they started you know tuning

03:11:09.220 the the science building your particle accelerators or your tokamaks to make data happen to to fit the

03:11:17.080 models they weren't trying to follow what the universe was saying they were starting to try

03:11:21.760 to manipulate the universe to make it fit the mathematical models which is a very ego

03:11:26.780 egotistical god-like hubris that has sort of it's it's the do what thou will shall be the

03:11:32.680 whole of the law right like i don't there's no higher law than my desires for the world to be

03:11:36.900 as i want it to be says alistair crowley or the hellfire club and that's what what sort of became

03:11:41.700 the ethic of the the baby boomers right just live in the now just let me that's just forget about

03:11:47.940 the future, forget about the past, just, just live for pleasure. And, and the baby boomers got

03:11:52.340 really, um, not all of them, but a lot of them really got run through the mud and brainwashed

03:11:57.040 by this thing. And it's, it's really taken its toll. And one thing we come back to, I discussed

03:12:01.380 this on a podcast appearance I made recently on a show called, uh, history homos, but, uh, they're,

03:12:07.040 they're big into conspiracy theories. And, um, one thing that we, we were discussing the book

03:12:12.040 days of rage and a lot of these interferences on sort of revolutionary movements with government

03:12:20.100 institutions. And one thing that sort of threaded through the entire thing was that none of this

03:12:25.500 stuff went away. MKUltra didn't go away. A lot of these intrusions of Eastern mysticism, they never

03:12:32.380 really went away. But there's this pervading, pervasive sort of belief that, yeah, we're kind

03:12:37.560 of crazy in the 60s and 70s, but then everything went back to normal. It's like, no, none of this

03:12:41.840 stuff went away the kgb never went away you know like a lot of these groups that we talked about

03:12:47.640 once they like because like the satanic panic like everyone was obsessed with satanic child

03:12:53.140 sacrifice for a while then we stopped like that never that never stopped you know and things just

03:12:58.360 keep going forward and we kind of acclimate to it i think that's where we are right now with a lot of

03:13:03.380 these things where people there's more people who kind of understand this stuff but have made

03:13:08.460 themselves okay with it and that to me is troubling and just to cycle back to the ufo thing like

03:13:13.900 everyone kind of knows that something shady is going on with ufos but they're almost and maybe

03:13:20.200 this is the culmination of all this work where people are so nihilistic right down to their core

03:13:25.800 that they're just kind of tolerating it and and just to end on this because i know we gotta get

03:13:29.820 going soon um uh there's this great book people are probably tired of me referencing it but it

03:13:35.000 was called um decadence by jim haugen it's about the 60s counterculture um he said one thing that

03:13:42.040 it didn't evolve from the beat generation and the counterculture movement and the hippie stuff that

03:13:47.180 was all like a bunch of different things together but he said like the beat generation was convinced

03:13:52.400 that everything's going to end soon and whatever act accordingly but something interesting happened

03:13:58.500 with the boomers something interesting happened with that particular counterculture in every one

03:14:02.760 way which is that the end of the world is coming and we can help shepherd it and that was sort of

03:14:09.260 the age of aquarius but if you look at the tone of a lot of the counterculture movements like yeah

03:14:14.160 everyone's going to fall apart let's help guide the collapse let's almost run towards apocalypse

03:14:20.300 and as we're talking i'm thinking that that that seems relevant that seems that and that never went

03:14:26.740 away we to this day because the boomers have never left us and that they really defined a lot of the

03:14:31.920 culture we've got right now culturally and in in our shared consciousness there still seems to be

03:14:37.560 this this nihilism of we we feel like it's okay to run towards the apocalypse or the end of

03:14:44.340 everything and i'm like i don't know how we break from that but that does seem very corrupted oh

03:14:51.680 yeah no i know and i i just i just watched them or the the musical um hair um which is sort of

03:14:58.460 the anthem for the Age of Aquarius. You ever

03:15:00.300 see that movie? I know what

03:15:02.540 it is, but I've never seen it. I think they did a

03:15:04.420 remake with John Travolta

03:15:06.640 recently. Not recently, but like

03:15:08.580 a while ago, yeah.

03:15:11.440 I'm thinking of Hairspray.

03:15:12.940 What the fuck am I talking about?

03:15:14.260 It's hair, yeah.

03:15:17.000 This is the dawning of

03:15:18.720 the age of the age. I know that song, yeah.

03:15:20.460 But the whole thing is

03:15:22.380 a complete

03:15:23.420 Luciferian anthem for

03:15:26.440 the New Age in a way that

03:15:28.460 On the one hand, it has this seduction because it's a protests protest piece against the Vietnam War. But at the same time, it it is ushering in this new post-Christian age.

03:15:44.360 you know you have like uh hosts there's there's a point where all the hippies are like kneeled down

03:15:48.540 getting hosts which are as lsd capsules and stuff produced by mk ultra mk ultra and you know the

03:15:54.460 whole cia uh mi6 tapestaki and social engineers are generating this stuff they're generating dmt

03:16:00.360 they're putting it out there into the campuses and you can just see how it's a recipe while at

03:16:05.160 the same time they're pushing this right-wing hardcore fascist drive for unnecessary wars in

03:16:12.100 korea and vietnam they're working with unreconstructed nazis unreconstructed french

03:16:17.400 fascists who have a lot of experience uh running guerrilla warfare and paramilitary operations in

03:16:22.780 vietnam who then start advising green berets working with the u.s government in in basically

03:16:29.140 creating a new um and i'm starting to see the vietnam war itself as an entire occult initiation

03:16:34.700 ceremony a lot of the leading satanists like michael aquino who ran the temple of set coming

03:16:40.120 out of the Church of Satan in the 70s and was part of the revolution in military affairs

03:16:44.400 that brought in psychedelics. It brought in mind wars. He wrote a paper called Mind Wars that was

03:16:50.400 brought in by General Stubblebeam into reorganizing the entire US military that gave rise to Desert

03:16:56.040 Storm and every insane thing afterwards. They brought in the spoonbenders. They brought in

03:17:00.180 quantum physicists as well to train soldiers to blow up a goat's heart by staring at it with

03:17:07.660 intention or running through a wall by aligning your your electrons in your body with the wall

03:17:11.640 through meditation and transcendental sort of you know uh theosophical meditation practices and this

03:17:18.700 was done it was actually applied this is what's the big new brisinski and samuel p huntington

03:17:23.760 called for and oversaw with the revolution in military affairs strategy that was again done

03:17:29.180 with the justification both of um or support by pseudoscientist mathematicians um often tied

03:17:38.600 to stanford and berkeley or but especially the stanford uh um sri research institute that was

03:17:46.580 also creating the changing images of man operation under harman and uh and joseph campbell and the

03:17:52.480 whole idea was how to change man's self-image of himself of ourselves to accommodate a new

03:17:58.100 post-christian pagan um superstitious age and that was the age of aquarius and so many so many

03:18:05.340 boomers didn't realize how they were played um to be it was a you know typical problem reaction

03:18:12.100 solution you create an unjust war you you send off a whole bunch of young people who don't know

03:18:16.280 what the fuck is going on their friends are coming back in body bags of course you're going to be

03:18:20.300 able to have a predictive response where they'll they'll go crazy if you give them enough drugs and

03:18:24.560 nihilistic philosophy um and they'll think that they're great heroes and the golden generation

03:18:29.700 for resisting the big war and then um they don't realize that and also for those who did go into

03:18:36.520 the the war a lot of them are going to die and those who don't die are going to come back

03:18:39.720 super drugged up or broken and then the the there there will be a select grouping that will

03:18:46.280 have killed you know they'll they'll they'll have done the unhuman things in vietnam killing women

03:18:52.300 women children cutting off ears going like apocalypse now marlon brando and they will be

03:18:58.640 the this is sort of what what milner did with the the boer war in the in the in the south african

03:19:04.560 war that's how they created and initiated their higher elect of the round table movement of lord

03:19:09.700 milner amory is you create these wars to be the the cauldron in which dehumanizing acts that that

03:19:17.140 involve risking one's life as well, are, are, are granted to initiates to then change their

03:19:23.580 identities and then come out of the war, um, in it as, as new priests or managers of the empire.

03:19:31.580 And they did that in the Vietnam war. They, they're, they did that with desert storm with the,

03:19:36.200 the war in terrorism after nine 11. So it's part of the, one of the, one of the aspects of the

03:19:42.580 necessity of, of forever wars is to create this ongoing initiation process of killing children

03:19:46.860 and other things. But, you know, I don't fully blame the baby boomers for having gotten pulled

03:19:52.480 into this thing and gotten duped. But I mean, now we're coming to the breaking point of the system

03:19:57.340 and things are really coming to a head. So I know we're hitting the top of the hour, but

03:20:02.500 people have to be a lot more disciplined with their thinking at this point, what they think

03:20:07.600 is animating their convictions and what their minds are capable of doing. People have a lot

03:20:14.780 more power if they choose to use it to um be very rigorous minds but they can't be sloppy we if we

03:20:23.420 if we continue to allow ourselves to be sloppy thinkers uh we're gonna give our support to

03:20:29.480 traps that will usher in hell on earth um so yeah it's amazing every single thing we've talked about

03:20:36.600 we could spend another full hour on we talked about a whole wide array of topics i know you go

03:20:40.780 into depth more on your site and more on your sub stack articles and whatnot and i would love

03:20:46.680 to speak to you again sometime soon because we didn't get to a couple of things i really wanted

03:20:50.080 to talk about too but i wanted to remind people if they want to find more you can find them i'm

03:20:55.340 just going to read a couple of your byline here on twitter as well because i missed a couple things

03:20:58.800 senior fellow at american university in moscow founder not only of canadian patriot review but

03:21:04.960 at the Rising Tide Foundation

03:21:06.360 and the author of

03:21:08.580 The Untold History of Canada,

03:21:11.040 among other great.

03:21:12.820 You can find all your books

03:21:14.060 on your site, PDFs,

03:21:16.180 and the short films

03:21:17.780 that you were just discussing.

03:21:19.660 And you can find his sub stack

03:21:21.280 is mattheweret.substack.com

03:21:23.560 on Twitter at eret,

03:21:26.140 E-H-R-E-T underscore Matthew.

03:21:29.620 I just wanted to thank you

03:21:30.740 so much for taking the time.

03:21:31.900 This has been a phenomenal talk.

03:21:33.140 I really enjoyed having you on.

03:21:35.320 Yeah, it was great.

03:21:36.300 I think we packed in a lot in that 60 minutes.

03:21:38.280 We literally did 60 minutes.

03:21:40.180 All right, I'll talk to you soon, man.

03:21:43.500 Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling

03:21:45.620 called salads and scrambled eggs.

03:21:50.500 And maybe I seem a bit confused.

03:21:53.440 Yeah, maybe, but I got you, Peg.

03:21:55.740 Ha, ha, ha.

Blood Satellite - April 26, 2024

One Squat can Change the World [“i can become fused with redoubled ardor”]

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