Ben Shapiro Is Crying Again. ｜ Candace Ep 261
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Summary
Ben Shapiro and Megynkelle go head-to-head in front of a live audience in Florida, and Ben does exactly what he does best. He lies and tries to force Megyn Kelly to respond to his lies.
Transcript
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I've suffered a centuries-old anti-Black trope.
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Like if you're in the pro-Israel lobby and you deal with any sort of pushback or flack,
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you've got to fall to the ground and cry victim.
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Well, it's my turn now, you guys, because yesterday, Ben Shapiro,
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who was invited as a guest to join Megyn Kelly on her tour,
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he pretty much just goes mask down, and it's obviously hilarious.
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He just has nothing, so he lies and tries to pressure Megyn to respond to the lies.
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All I can say is the pro-Israel lobby is down real bad.
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And on that note, I sat down with a woman on CNN,
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and it went about as bad as you might have expected.
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I don't know what to say other than it was the purest form of anti-Blackism that I've ever experienced.
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I mean, it's obvious to me that Ben Shapiro is manifestly insane.
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Last night, he was gripping the microphone as he would the neck of a Black woman.
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Those are actually direct quotations from Ben Shapiro himself.
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whenever he hears anything that he doesn't like about Israel,
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This is a real live tweet from Ben Shapiro accusing any American Jew who is pro-Israel of being Israel first
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That was directed at Nick Fuentes, which we'll circle back to.
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Also, this was a real tweet directed at Ron Paul.
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As in previous debates, he is now gripping the pen as he would the neck of a Jew.
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Perry had the memorable moments of the evening,
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other than Ron Paul's corpse leaning forward from the grave and strangling the Jews.
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I don't know what to say other than Ben is a funny guy.
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He just is funny when he's being serious and he's being seriously angry about a topic.
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And last night, he got on stage with Megyn Kelly.
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And I want to say, I was kind of impressed with Ben
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because instead of doing his usual thing where he sends others to do his dirty work
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he was like, I'm going to peer pressure Megyn Kelly myself.
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I'm going to make her disavow me, make her disavow Candace Owens.
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I'm going to make her disavow Tucker Carlson by putting her on the spot
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and asking her to respond to things that Tucker Carlson never did and Candace Owens never did or said.
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because you saw this narrative circulating amongst people
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who were just absurdly making claims that I attacked Erica.
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And I know what these organic movements look like.
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And so it was actually quite refreshing for me to be like,
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ah, now everyone gets to see what you are because you're saying stuff that never happened.
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So we'll start with what he said about Tucker Carlson.
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And you should know Ben has a real thing for Tucker Carlson.
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There's something about Tucker Carlson that gets under his skin.
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I would actually love to hear Ben speak about that.
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I mean, people at the Daily Wire, when they're leaving the Daily Wire,
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have to sign agreements that they're not going to go work for Tucker Carlson for six months.
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Anyways, he jumps into this explaining his upset that like Tucker left him on red
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Tucker and him had a nice conversation on the day that Charlie Kirk died.
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And Tucker then sent a nice text because Ben had called him.
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And I guess Ben thought there would be more of a follow up and there wasn't.
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So here is Ben complaining about that and then spinning it into
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the accusation that Tucker Carlson somehow supports Mom Donnie.
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So I texted him and I said, thanks so much for calling.
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Should we do a show together talking about the DSA threat, Democratic Socialist of America
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Happy to do whatever it takes to bring everyone back together for the fight that matters.
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I'm going to spend the next week or two thinking about how to be most effective.
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And again, I thought it was a good idea at the time.
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I think I felt differently after I saw what he did with Nick Fuentes and after he proceeded,
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in my opinion, to spend the subsequent weeks doing literally nothing to fight the left.
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Again, I say this with sadness because Tucker used to be, I think, a deeply important part
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The number of times that Tucker Carlson has mentioned Zoran Mamdani since October 5th on
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And it was in the context of Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker Carlson talking about the
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Just by way of contrast, not because I'm a perfect representative here, but because you've
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Since October 5th, I did 17 separate shows on Zoran Mamdani, including four in the last
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week before the election, OK, because when you're orienting against the left, you really
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He's upset because I guess Tucker doesn't want to do a show with him in the future.
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A lot of stuff goes on in the background that you guys don't understand.
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If Tucker doesn't want to collab with Ben, that's on him.
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So what it means when you have your own show, which I don't know why the shock's been
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If Tucker wants to do six months and he just wants to cover sports, it's his prerogative
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The free markets does not mean that the very same people who tried to artificially push
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Tucker out of the markets, the same people that applauded him being fired, the same people
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that have called him an anti-Semite, then get to dictate what he speaks about on his show.
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It's not his responsibility to use his platform to speak about Momdani 17 times.
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But to the insinuation that Tucker somehow supported Momdani and said like nice things
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about him when he sat down with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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Here's actually what Tucker said with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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And you be the judge of whether you think Ben is being an honest person when he describes
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You said a second ago that when people are really frustrated when the system they live
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under fails them, they listen to voices that they shouldn't listen to or wouldn't listen
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Like how did Al Sharpton get to be the leader of Black America or whatever?
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Like desperate people tend to go to crappy leaders, I think.
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And I just can't get over what happened in our biggest city this week, the very same
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week that everybody in D.C. is focused thousands of miles away on the greatest threat we face,
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But at the same time that everybody was looking to Iran, our largest city had a Democratic
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primary, effectively the mayor's race, and a 32-year-old socialist who wants government-run
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Is it because people are so, like, desperate for government-run grocery stores or love socialism
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or love, like, foreign-born midwits running their cities?
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That guy was the only person in the New York City mayor's debate to say he wanted to focus
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They were—all the candidates were asked, if you could visit a foreign country, what would
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And, like, if I want to meet Jewish constituents, I'd go to their synagogues, their homes, or
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whatever, but I'd be here in New York because that's what I'm doing.
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And he's talking—I totally oppose his program, just to be clear.
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And everyone else is talking about foreign policy.
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I am describing to you why Mom Donnie won, and you're angry that people are assessing
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It doesn't matter how many times you call somebody an anti-Semite.
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People appreciated, it's very obvious, the fact that he was not focused on foreign policy
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issues when there's so many domestic ones to prove from.
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You got to learn why you lose elections, and it's not Tucker's job to get people elected,
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least of all in cities that he doesn't live in.
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Now, I want to also show you what Ben said about me, because it's so outrageous and it's
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so dishonest that we actually should process what is happening here, okay?
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He is very insecure, and he's going on the attack against Megyn Kelly by lying about what
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I said and then forcing her to react to the evil of what I never said.
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We're in a business where people comment on what we say publicly.
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Again, this is why I think you and I differ on our angle with regard to, for example,
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I think that what Candace Owens is doing right now is evil.
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I didn't opine on whether it's evil or not, but my position is it's really none of my
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I mean, you comment on these things for a living.
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No, but if this were on the left and somebody were accusing Charlie Kirk of his wife having
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murdered him, I assume that you would be talking about it.
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She's accusing TPUSA insiders and other members of the right wing, including Seth Dillon, of
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It's just, I don't even know how to respond to it because it just never happened.
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It's so, he's not even anywhere near what's happened.
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Anybody who's watched this show, I actually was getting flack from my audience for not
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covering Erica's past or speaking about her parents.
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I said she gave one of the most consequential speeches and I have focused my investigation
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on Turning Point USA and why they're telling certain lies.
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Seth Dillon, I told the truth that Seth Dillon lied about the Hamptonians.
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meeting and that he was pushing, he was pressuring Charlie about the topic of Israel.
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I never once accused Seth Dillon of murdering Charlie Kirk.
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Obviously, there's a lot of layers that we should peel back and it's important that we
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The least interesting part of this is the fact that he's lying through his teeth.
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That's implied he's a Zionist, but there's a lot more that's happening that meets the
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eye because Ben Shapiro was effectively the final boss of the pro-Israel lobby and it's
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because he never comes out and says what he means.
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He's kind of like more of a behind-the-scenes person and we're now watching him come undone
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in real time because no matter who you are, in this age of digital media, it is simply
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not a good idea to lie through your teeth, okay?
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Before you get the lie out, the internet is going to clock it, right?
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They're going to go back and be like, you lied.
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And when you do something like that, the blowback is going to be on you.
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They're going to go, actually, this now impacts your credibility.
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You said that Candace went out and said something about Erica.
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By the way, you hear the people in the background going, woo!
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I'm going to tell you what's happening there, too, and you're going to see how this thing
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Point number one that I want to make about how why or what Ben is doing right here is
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My memory is getting a little fuzzy, but I distinctly remember the week that I was gloriously
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fired from the Daily Wire, and during that week, the CEO of the Daily Wire, at the time
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it was Jeremy Boring, jumped onto an X-Space hosted by Lauren Chen and had a conversation
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with Nick Fuentes where he sang Nick Fuentes' praises and also invited him onto the Daily
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Here's a headline, because the Huffington Post remembers, too, Daily Wire CEO tells white
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supremacist Nick Fuentes that he's talented and he's very funny.
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During a live-streamed conversation with white supremacist Nick Fuentes last week, the CEO
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of the Daily Wire, a major right-wing media outlet, praised the prominent fascist influencer
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and offered only mild criticism about some of his political views, a stark difference from
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On March 25th, the Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boring joined Fuentes on X for a live audio chat room.
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Boring told Fuentes that he listens to Fuentes' show quite often and that he thinks Fuentes
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is, quote-unquote, very funny and one of the most talented political influencers, even if
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he is very concerned about some of what Fuentes says.
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Later in the discussion, Boring said that he'd be thrilled to have Fuentes on one of the Daily
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Wire's shows to debate the media company's popular pundits, some of whom have millions of
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So I want you just to remember this because I feel like people are not appreciating how
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hypocritical it is that he's now trying to struggle session Megyn Kelly because, oh,
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he had Fuentes on the show when the Daily Wire position in 2024 was that their CEO could
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talk to Nick Fuentes publicly, praise Nick Fuentes publicly, and also invite Nick Fuentes onto
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We can actually, we should actually take a listen to a little bit of that conversation
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between Jeremy Boring, then CEO of Daily Wire, and Nick Fuentes.
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People can say, well, I don't like what you say about this and that.
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I don't like that guys like Shapiro cannot, will not say Christ is king, America first.
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I would never listen to somebody that can't say those things because, I mean, those things
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are really the foundation of wisdom, which is the love of God, which, as you say, goes
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through the sun, as we all know, can only go through Jesus, and oikophilia, which is,
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you know, your love of your home, your love of your homeland that you reside in, not some
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It's kind of a strange circumstance that we're talking, but that's how I feel about it.
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And I'll say this, Nick, that I listen to your show quite often.
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I think you're one of the most talented people out there, and I'm very concerned about some
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I wish, I think that you're a very gifted communicator, and so it's hard for me to imagine
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that you consistently miscommunicate some of these things, and I'll hope that I'm wrong
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and yield the floor back to all the people who actually came on here to talk to each other.
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Um, anybody want to help me out why it's now different?
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Hmm, what could be different now that it was okay when the Daily Wire was open to doing
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it, and then Tucker did it, and now it's suddenly not okay, and it's the worst sin that could
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Point number two I'm going to make here is the stunning hypocrisy again, okay, of him picking
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the topic of Charlie Kirk to pretend that he's noble, uh, to, to pretend like he has to
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say something, even though he's lying, in defense of what's happening to Charlie Kirk's
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widow, when it is just a fact that Ben Shapiro did a lot of things behind the scenes to stop
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I have literal hundreds of them pertaining to Ben, sending his YAF boys, the AF boys,
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National Review peeps that were coming after us, writing articles, one that I showed in this
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little, uh, uh, our thumbnail here, uh, we can show this conversation, um, yeah, it was,
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it was a headline, Ben Shapiro's YAF launches smear campaign against Charlie Kirk and Candace
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Hey, Charlie, wherever you are, it's happening again.
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And it is also interesting that when I was telling you that Ben called Charlie and he was
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lamenting the fact that Charlie and I had this friendship and warning him that he shouldn't
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have him, Charlie felt like Ben was like throwing down like slave owner vibes.
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And he was just like, he thinks I like own you or something, but I'm going to show you
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the tech messages because otherwise you'll say it didn't happen.
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Uh, this was again, everything we, Ben was going on people's shows and, and talking down
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His respect amongst movement fighters is quite low.
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I feel like that's relevant right now to what Ben's doing.
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He wants to egg on this fight because he's lost a certain bit of respect.
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Um, and then Charlie goes on, you got in his head, which is terrific.
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The Ben thing involves me more than he wants to admit.
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And then we went on and this is the same conversation.
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He knows that Jon Snow, he's using a Game of Thrones reference, is stronger as the dragons
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And he is sending his incestuous brother to go try and kill us.
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Control her is what he really was saying to me when he called.
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So this has been, and by the way, like I said, I have hundreds of these messages.
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And so you have to imagine being in my position when you see someone who did everything he
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could to kind of stop the rise of Charlie Kirk now trying to struggle session Megan, who
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And towards the end, obviously, she took a very principled position on telling the truth
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And suddenly he's like, I care about this evil that could be Hapcans is investigating who
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That me asking questions about Turning Point USA somehow means that I'm blaming Erica,
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who wasn't even working for Turning Point USA when Charlie died because now she's the CEO.
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And it is just to me, it is truly so gross to do this to a person that, you know, you
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tried to block and you just now that he's dead, I guess you want to sort of rewrite history.
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That's what you're trying to rewrite history and pretend that you're his ardent defender.
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Now, another point that I'd like to make is the stunning hypocrisy again and again when
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you stop and you consider that he's pressing Megan and referring to this as an evil.
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But this is the same Ben Shapiro that roots the destruction of Gaza on.
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He supports and congratulated Randy Fine, who has literally tweeted laughing at photos of
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But I guess Tucker Carlson speaking to Nick Fuentes is just so much worse than celebrating
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and not just celebrating, interviewing a man who is committing an actual genocide.
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Bibi Netanyahu is committing a genocide and Ben Shapiro sat down with him last month.
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And do you guys think he pressed Bibi Netanyahu on the point of a genocide?
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I don't understand how you could just go out there with your hair on your chest and your
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How dare you not make a comment, Megan, about Tucker Carlson?
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I care now about Charlie Kirk now that he's dead.
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So the question becomes, what is Ben actually doing here?
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It's actually also risky behavior when it comes to Ben Shapiro.
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Like he doesn't usually come out of the gate like that.
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And I think a couple of things are driving this unforced error.
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One, I do believe that he is actually scared of Nick Fuentes.
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Nick's backstory, don't care what you think about him.
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You already know I don't like Nick Fuentes because of how he treated me.
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I learned the backstory listening to Jeremy Boring, the former CEO of Daily Wire, sit
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So I was right after I've been fired and I didn't know what Ben and Jeremy admitted
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And so I think if you artificially push somebody out of the market and Ben has never come out
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and denied anything that Nick Fuentes has said, also Jeremy Boring didn't deny it in a
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And given what I know about what happens now, I think and what Charlie was going through,
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I think we can all realize that Nick was an 18 year old kid like he told Tucker.
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He started asking questions about Israel and he got artificially pushed out of the market
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OK, and now when they did this because they wanted to rid themselves of Nick Fuentes, who
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then became angry about it and definitively has said very offensive things on the Internet,
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And Lord Voldemort thought he killed the baby and the baby may be lit.
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I don't even know who the Dark Lord is in this story, but I do know.
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I don't I don't even know who he must not be named is in this story.
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But I do know that with Ben and Nick Fuentes, it's kind of a neither can live while the other
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OK, without advertisers, without sponsors, without connections, what with the entire
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media writing things about him being put on the ADL's list, he has proven to be quite
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And it is in large part due to how hard they fight him that people become curious.
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It's like what you're we're watching kids be bombed.
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Like how many people have lost their lives in Gaza and you're telling me the greatest
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I think I can survive Nick Fuentes insulting me.
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I don't feel the need to wheel and deal behind the scenes or, you know, tell Tucker not to
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Like, OK, if somebody wants to be a fan, they can be a fan of Nick Fuentes.
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And I sense an insecurity here in the fact that 10 years on from when Ben had this thing
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that happened to Nick Fuentes that he tells a story about.
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So now Nick Fuentes is still here and and Ben's influence is waning.
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OK, another thing that's happening here, and this is on the point of Megyn Kelly and going
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back to the making it sound like Ben's got a popular position about me.
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I sense that the pro-Israel lobby is on the brink of collapse.
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And they're so desperate for allies that they're forcing them away.
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But they are willing to lie to get what they want.
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And for whatever reason, the pro-Israel lobby believes that this repeat failed strategy
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of lying and threatening people is going to work.
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Now, you might be asking, well, how is Megyn Kelly being threatened here?
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That is exactly the moral blackmail that Charlie was speaking about in the last days of his life.
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He's standing there and he's saying, Candace is attacking a grieving widow and accusing her
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And you can see Megyn's uncomfortable because she's like, well, did she say that, man?
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Are you a better person than to accept Candace Owens, who has attacked a grieving widow and
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is saying to that grieving widow that you murdered your own husband?
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Now, speaking of on the spot, everything that you just saw happen here and Megyn Kelly, I
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We can pull back another layer of this onion so you can understand how vicious politics
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You might remember, maybe you forgot, but I spoke at YWLS in 2024 right after I was fired
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from the Daily Wire and a big thing happened and we should never forget it, okay?
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While I was heading to speak at this event, we learned because there was an intern at the
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Daily Wire who had a conscience and she felt very uncomfortable with the secret mission
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We learned that a covert mission was happening where they were sending an intern to ask me
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To get my answer on the question and then what was going to happen next is they were going
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to pass around a clip, but they were going to make it look like she was just a random
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Let me show you a clip because we found this out.
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We found what her name was and I called this girl out on stage.
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The thing that I am going to say strangely, this is such a crazy story, but as I was headed
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They called me and they said, Candace, something very weird is happening.
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The Daily Wire has sent somebody secretly to record you, an intern, a PR intern to secretly
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record you, to catch you in a bad moment, in a bad light.
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And I think that intern's name, no, to be fair, it is never the fault of a person when
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their employer is sending them to do something that isn't good, but I would really love it
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Okay, maybe that's a little too intimidating for you too, but apparently she got an email
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at 10 p.m., hopped on a plane, is pretending to be a student.
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And so I do just want to say to Ben Shapiro, enough, come out into the lights, really, come
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He will fly you out next week to Detroit, and we can do the debates on his stage.
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Oh, you know, the Turning Point USA that I wasn't a part of, that's how it went down.
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And Charlie was like, yeah, that's crazy that this is happening.
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He's like, call him out on stage and offer the debate, and I will fly him out personally
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They send people, they make it look like it's organic, they'll send people to your events,
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That was orchestrated by Alyssa Cordova, now that she's not at the Daily Wire.
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I can say that, who I was calling out yesterday, but it's so important for people to get this.
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What is happening at Megan's events, I will guarantee you people coming and asking her
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That is pro-Israel people that are paid to do it.
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Honestly, Megan, if you're watching, you give me the list of your attendees.
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If you let me go through the names, I love an investigation.
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I will tell you how many people were sent there to go, whoo, and Roris applaud, actually
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Megyn Kelly, make sure you let her know in her comments.
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I know exactly what's happening and they are going to be at every single tour stop trying
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I don't know why they keep demanding that she disavows Tucker and Candice.
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I don't work with Megyn Kelly, but I know how this goes.
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It's the exact same process by which the pro-Israel lobby lost Charlie Kirk because eventually
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you just get tired of being bullied and you start to sense and see that it's not organic
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and also it's not coming from your quote unquote friends.
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It wouldn't even flash in my mind as an idea that I should text Tucker Carlson and tell
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him who he should or should not have on his platform or how he should use his platform.
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It doesn't, it's just not how normal people behave and they don't understand how abnormal
00:32:57.100
I got to show you a couple of clips that are going viral right now and CNN has cut these
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clips because they think they're embarrassing to me.
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So there's this young woman, she's the same age as me.
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Elle Reeve is her name and I'm going to be also be clear.
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However, I got very testy in this interview because it was a couple of days after Charlie
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First interview I was giving just worked out that it was CNN.
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It wasn't about Charlie Kirk, but we had set this up before and I decided to keep the
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And this woman, I guess, decided that she just wanted to poke a bear.
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Anyways, she's the one passing around this clip because she thinks it totally embarrasses
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You can criticize Netanyahu without being anti-Israel and you can criticize Israel without
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But some of the themes, talking points, concepts you've used in your criticism of Israel, I'm
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very familiar with from covering white nationalists for 10 years.
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It's very unsettling for me to hear things like you saying, our government is occupied
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Because like there's literally a term that's like an 80s, 90s term from white nationalism,
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And I'm wondering, like, are you intentionally referencing those kind of themes?
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Wait, just to slow this down, are you accusing me of white nationalist rhetoric?
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Because I do have to have a little bit of a giggle about that first.
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Well, that's, I mean, to me, I'm also like, they'd be no fan of yours.
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But this is one of the things where I feel like it's such a lesson for CNN.
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I mean, it's like, you're sitting across from a black person.
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You're like, I've learned about white nationalism.
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But this is when it's like, put it in a book and anybody will say it.
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It's like, it's just, at a certain point, you have to use your eyes and go,
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is Candace Owens promoting white nationalist rhetoric?
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Could it be that actually Zionism is what it actually represents?
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I believe we are a Zionist occupied government and we're not the only one.
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If you need to walk out of here and say Candace Owens is a white nationalist for you to be able
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You know, you have to go with that in your own time.
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But what I will say is I stand by every statement that I made and I want to double down on it.
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I'd like to triple down on that if there's anybody going.
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These tactics are super boring and tired and this is why it hinges upon suppressing speech, right?
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Constantly having to refer to somebody as evil or a white supremacist or anti-Semitic because you've lost the argument on the base.
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Like, there is no merit to your argument anymore.
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So it's all a constant struggle session of semantics.
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Do you remember growing up when we were just allowed to use the word they in sentences?
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As if she didn't understand how to construct a basic sentence and to refer back to the noun.
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She had no idea which plural noun I was referring to.
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So, like, I don't need to always, like, say they.
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Like, it's just a weird, it's like, this is one of these psychology tactics where you're like, who is they?
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But if I'm not talking about Jews, then they doesn't mean Jews.
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When I say they want us to believe this or they want us to believe that and you hear Jews, that's your own derangement, right?
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If I want to say something about Jews, I'll say it.
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If I want to say something about Israel, I will say it.
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If I want to, just like when I want to say something about black people, I'll say it.
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When I was saying during BLM, they want us to believe.
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And so, again, it's one of these trash tactics to make people fearful to speak.
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When I say Zionists run the media, I mean Zionists run the media.
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People that support the political ideology of Israel run the media.
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But are you familiar with this, like, very long-standing trope?
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I really try not to curse, but I just felt like we needed to kill it real quick.
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Just get her to move on from it because I really don't care.
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I had to shut it down because I suddenly realized I was homeschooling my toddlers.
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And I told her, as an interview goes on, I was like, look, I have toddlers at home.
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I'm teaching her how to understand they in a sentence.
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And in her, in this circumstance, if I got to be called a white supremacist to say my opinion about this administration and how it's been occupied by Zionists and the cruelties that the Palestinian children are suffering at the hands of Bibi Netanyahu, then so be it.
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Like I said, it was a couple days after Charlie Kirk died and I just was not in the mood.
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But I do encourage you guys to defend yourselves in a similar manner.
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Now, in that same vein, in case you guys missed this going around, Eric and Laura Trump spoke at a recent TPUSA event at Auburn University.
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The post-Charlie Kirk era at Turning Point USA.
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My guess after watching this is people are going to be less inclined to want to attend these events.
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And I'm speaking about the guests like Eric and Laura Trump because they are getting pressed now by students about Israel.
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I'd like to ask about your father's relationship with Israel.
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He's taken over $230 million from pro-Israel groups.
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During the summer against Iran, even though he advised against it, Israel still attacked Iran and the U.S. still bombed on behalf of Israel.
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Your father's frustrations with Netanyahu have been made clear when he cursed on national TV over the situation.
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Israel has not been a great ally to the U.S. all the way since 1960 when they bombed the USS Liberty.
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Israel is a nation where Christians are constantly under attack in both Gaza and the West Bank.
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We talk about America first and defending Christians, but how can we do this if we align ourselves with a nation that does not do that itself?
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There's no question my father said frustration.
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In fact, I think he said frustration throughout the whole conflict with both sides.
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At the same time, make no mistake, you have a nation that is chanting death to America every single day on the streets of Tehran.
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You have a nation that will develop a nuclear weapon, and you have a nation that will use that nuclear weapon against the Western way of life.
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In response to the nukes from Iran, Israel has nuclear weapons and is not a part of the IEA, unlike Iran.
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And it's just sad to see, because I've never seen the American president get treated the way he does by the Israeli government.
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Do we or do we not have phase one of a peace agreement in the Middle East right now?
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Nothing is ever going to be perfect, but I'll tell you what, this president works with what he has.
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And whether we're talking about in the Middle East, whether we're talking about a 40 year war like Armenia and Azerbaijan, as Eric just pointed out, a five day war in Thailand and Cambodia.
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And I say this, by the way, and I'm always very honest to you about how people are behind the scenes.
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Eric and Laura have always been unbelievably kind to me.
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I have nothing bad to say about them as human beings.
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And Eric, by the way, works very hard, you know, running the Trump organization, certainly while his father has to go and be president.
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They know about Jared and his deals with the Vanka in the Middle East and how much money they're set to make.
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And, you know, Gaza being destroyed is actually beneficial to their bank accounts.
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And to think these kids and the fact that he was ready to answer about the nuclear, that's always the threat of the nuclear.
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And that used to work like generation 9-11 that worked doesn't work anymore because we realize there's only one nation that isn't following any rules.
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There's only one nation that isn't respecting America.
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There's only one nation that generations of American children, American men are being told they have to die for in foreign lands.
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If America, throughout all these wars, was not in a steep decline and actually we walked around and our streets were clean and we didn't have any homelessness and people were not on drugs, we probably would go, okay, like we're up to no good in the Middle East.
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Our upside is we get to get lectured and told that we're not even allowed to bring up Israel on college campuses or risk being like arrested, getting stricter on anti-Semitism laws.
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Now you're coming in for our speech and you thought that this generation was going to get behind it because what, Bibi bought TikTok?
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The hypocrisy is astounding and you can't survive hypocrisy.
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So unfortunately, I think four years ago, everyone thought, who's going to be the next Trump family member that's going to get into politics and galvanize the youth movement?
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And it's because you guys went for broke on Israel.
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So, you know, whatever the real estate plan is in Gaza, that's, you know, that's going to be the Trump legacy, I suppose.
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And to be honest, that wouldn't be the legacy that I'd want to have because people are not going to forget what happened there.
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Your children's children are probably going to feel ashamed, to be honest with you, that you were involved in it and that you defended it or that you stayed quiet about it because of money.
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I have seen this kind of immaturity in high school between teenage girls.
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I'm mad at her because she's talking to the girl that I don't like.
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There is something fundamentally high school about it.
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Like, I know it's every week they renew their efforts to cancel Tucker, but I think they thought they had him.
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And, of course, it always backfires because people go, how immature?
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I'm not offended by anybody sitting down with Nick Fuentes.
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And I think everybody should be in the free markets.
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If Nick Fuentes loses in the free markets, I want it to be because there was better competition,
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not because he's just been artificially pushed out.
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Katie Rabian writes, missing Charlie Extra today.
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We all deserve the truth no matter how awful it is.
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Please never stop fighting for our brother in Christ.
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I don't care at all about Ben trying to join people.
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It's almost like they're trying to peer pressure me.
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Like, there's like this threat, like they want me to say something bad about Erica
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which is making me feel weird that it's always the pro-Israel lobby that's doing this.
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People that weren't friends with Charlie, okay,
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are trying to struggle session us into no longer investigating what happened here
00:48:31.220
in order for us to, in order for us to get a clean bill of health of not attacking a widow.
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It's like, oh, if you investigate, then you're attacking Erica.
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It makes me think that there's something there, right?
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Why is the pro-Israel lobby in particular so afraid of any incursion
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into the absurd storyline that the feds are trying to sell us about Charlie Kirk, right?
00:48:58.720
And desperation only exists when there's something to hide.
00:49:00.940
And Israel has not been acting right from the beginning of this.
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That's kind of weird that you're just jumping up and saying that it wasn't you.
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let's not forget that he would be the one to pick up his bloodstained microphone.
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I was going through so many emotions that week.
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He was initial in the reaction to Charlie's death.
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Look, everyone in politics has an agenda of some description.
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because it is not a good step to lie like that.
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There's not a chance that he thought that I said,
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And she's like, wow, people are cheering this on.