Candace Owens - November 08, 2025


Ben Shapiro Is Crying Again. ｜ Candace Ep 261


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Ben Shapiro and Megynkelle go head-to-head in front of a live audience in Florida, and Ben does exactly what he does best. He lies and tries to force Megyn Kelly to respond to his lies.

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00:00:00.000 Okay, 9-1-1, I want to report a blood libel.
00:00:04.120 Blood libel.
00:00:05.960 I've suffered a centuries-old anti-Black trope.
00:00:10.400 That's how this works, right?
00:00:11.760 Like if you're in the pro-Israel lobby and you deal with any sort of pushback or flack,
00:00:16.340 you've got to fall to the ground and cry victim.
00:00:18.380 Well, it's my turn now, you guys, because yesterday, Ben Shapiro,
00:00:22.080 who was invited as a guest to join Megyn Kelly on her tour,
00:00:25.100 he pretty much just goes mask down, and it's obviously hilarious.
00:00:29.440 He just lies. It's so weird.
00:00:31.160 He just has nothing, so he lies and tries to pressure Megyn to respond to the lies. 0.53
00:00:36.860 All I can say is the pro-Israel lobby is down real bad.
00:00:40.300 They're writing fan fiction.
00:00:42.160 It's like BB Netanyahu fan fiction.
00:00:44.680 And on that note, I sat down with a woman on CNN,
00:00:48.000 and it went about as bad as you might have expected.
00:00:51.080 Fantastic clips that are making the rounds.
00:00:53.020 So let's jump right back into this.
00:00:54.520 Happy Friday, and welcome back to Candace. 0.96
00:00:59.440 I don't know what to say other than it was the purest form of anti-Blackism that I've ever experienced. 0.96
00:01:19.560 I mean, it's obvious to me that Ben Shapiro is manifestly insane. 0.98
00:01:24.940 Last night, he was gripping the microphone as he would the neck of a Black woman. 0.99
00:01:31.140 I'm kidding. 0.96
00:01:32.080 Obviously, those are not my quotes.
00:01:33.760 Those are actually direct quotations from Ben Shapiro himself.
00:01:36.520 When he accuses others of anti-Semitism,
00:01:39.320 whenever he hears anything that he doesn't like about Israel,
00:01:42.360 those are actually his words.
00:01:43.640 This is a real live tweet from Ben Shapiro accusing any American Jew who is pro-Israel of being Israel first
00:01:49.160 is a pure form of anti-Semitism. 0.54
00:01:52.100 That was directed at Nick Fuentes, which we'll circle back to.
00:01:55.800 Also, this was a real tweet directed at Ron Paul. 0.96
00:01:59.160 Ron Paul is manifestly insane. 0.99
00:02:02.000 As in previous debates, he is now gripping the pen as he would the neck of a Jew. 0.99
00:02:09.380 Ron Paul? Really?
00:02:11.260 And this is another tweet.
00:02:13.220 Perry had the memorable moments of the evening,
00:02:16.560 had the memorable moments of the evening,
00:02:18.540 other than Ron Paul's corpse leaning forward from the grave and strangling the Jews.
00:02:24.320 I don't know what's going on, man.
00:02:26.680 I don't know what to say other than Ben is a funny guy.
00:02:30.100 He is.
00:02:30.720 He's never trying to be funny.
00:02:33.120 He just is funny when he's being serious and he's being seriously angry about a topic.
00:02:39.320 It's just something that I enjoy to watch.
00:02:42.280 And last night, he got on stage with Megyn Kelly.
00:02:45.400 She had a tour stop in Florida.
00:02:47.440 And I want to say, I was kind of impressed with Ben
00:02:50.860 because instead of doing his usual thing where he sends others to do his dirty work
00:02:55.420 so he can keep his hands clean,
00:02:56.420 he was like, I'm going to peer pressure Megyn Kelly myself.
00:03:00.760 I'm going to make her disavow me, make her disavow Candace Owens.
00:03:04.380 I'm going to make her disavow Tucker Carlson by putting her on the spot 1.00
00:03:07.700 and asking her to respond to things that Tucker Carlson never did and Candace Owens never did or said.
00:03:13.880 And you really get to see it masked down
00:03:16.640 because you saw this narrative circulating amongst people
00:03:19.840 who were just absurdly making claims that I attacked Erica.
00:03:24.900 And I know what these organic movements look like.
00:03:28.000 I know how they operate behind the scenes.
00:03:29.820 And I know Ben plays a part in this.
00:03:31.920 And so it was actually quite refreshing for me to be like,
00:03:34.420 ah, now everyone gets to see what you are because you're saying stuff that never happened.
00:03:38.400 So we'll start with what he said about Tucker Carlson.
00:03:39.920 And you should know Ben has a real thing for Tucker Carlson.
00:03:43.780 I don't understand it.
00:03:45.260 It is just, I don't know.
00:03:47.240 It's been going on for a long time.
00:03:48.980 There's something about Tucker Carlson that gets under his skin.
00:03:51.960 I'm not clear on it.
00:03:53.080 I would actually love to hear Ben speak about that.
00:03:55.160 I mean, people at the Daily Wire, when they're leaving the Daily Wire,
00:03:58.340 have to sign agreements that they're not going to go work for Tucker Carlson for six months.
00:04:02.780 It's strange.
00:04:04.260 Anyways, he jumps into this explaining his upset that like Tucker left him on red
00:04:09.900 I don't know.
00:04:10.660 Tucker and him had a nice conversation on the day that Charlie Kirk died.
00:04:15.040 And Tucker then sent a nice text because Ben had called him.
00:04:18.900 And I guess Ben thought there would be more of a follow up and there wasn't.
00:04:21.820 So here is Ben complaining about that and then spinning it into
00:04:25.140 the accusation that Tucker Carlson somehow supports Mom Donnie.
00:04:31.160 I don't know.
00:04:31.640 Take a listen.
00:04:32.760 So I texted him and I said, thanks so much for calling.
00:04:35.000 It means the world.
00:04:35.620 It truly does.
00:04:36.220 Should we do a show together talking about the DSA threat, Democratic Socialist of America
00:04:40.420 threat, and orienting in the same direction?
00:04:42.780 Happy to do whatever it takes to bring everyone back together for the fight that matters.
00:04:46.700 And Tucker then wrote back, thanks, man.
00:04:48.700 I appreciate it.
00:04:49.460 I'm going to spend the next week or two thinking about how to be most effective.
00:04:52.200 The country is clearly on the brink.
00:04:53.360 Tucker, I reached out repeatedly.
00:04:56.020 After that, nothing happened.
00:04:58.680 And again, I thought it was a good idea at the time.
00:05:02.040 I think I felt differently after I saw what he did with Nick Fuentes and after he proceeded,
00:05:07.860 in my opinion, to spend the subsequent weeks doing literally nothing to fight the left.
00:05:12.880 Again, I say this with sadness because Tucker used to be, I think, a deeply important part
00:05:18.000 of the conservative push to win.
00:05:21.880 The number of times that Tucker Carlson has mentioned Zoran Mamdani since October 5th on
00:05:26.680 his show is once.
00:05:28.340 And it was in the context of Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker Carlson talking about the
00:05:32.360 appeal of Zoran Mamdani.
00:05:34.280 Just by way of contrast, not because I'm a perfect representative here, but because you've
00:05:37.880 talked about Zoran Mamdani a lot.
00:05:39.240 A lot of us have.
00:05:40.260 Since October 5th, I did 17 separate shows on Zoran Mamdani, including four in the last
00:05:44.400 week before the election, OK, because when you're orienting against the left, you really
00:05:48.200 should orient against the left.
00:05:53.140 So this just makes no sense.
00:05:55.000 It makes entirely no sense.
00:05:56.600 He's upset because I guess Tucker doesn't want to do a show with him in the future.
00:06:01.240 A lot of stuff goes on in the background that you guys don't understand.
00:06:03.680 So, OK, that's on Tucker.
00:06:05.460 If Tucker doesn't want to collab with Ben, that's on him.
00:06:08.220 Also, it's Tucker's platform.
00:06:09.580 So what it means when you have your own show, which I don't know why the shock's been
00:06:12.960 is you can talk about whatever you want.
00:06:14.500 If Tucker wants to do six months and he just wants to cover sports, it's his prerogative
00:06:19.800 and people can tune in or they can tune out.
00:06:21.560 That's what the free markets mean.
00:06:22.540 The free markets does not mean that the very same people who tried to artificially push
00:06:27.800 Tucker out of the markets, the same people that applauded him being fired, the same people
00:06:31.800 that have called him an anti-Semite, then get to dictate what he speaks about on his show.
00:06:36.700 That actually just makes entirely no sense.
00:06:39.380 It's not Tucker's responsibility.
00:06:41.280 Tucker doesn't live in New York City.
00:06:42.540 It's not his responsibility to use his platform to speak about Momdani 17 times.
00:06:48.180 It's very strange.
00:06:49.620 But to the insinuation that Tucker somehow supported Momdani and said like nice things
00:06:53.980 about him when he sat down with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:06:56.580 Here's actually what Tucker said with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:06:59.480 And you be the judge of whether you think Ben is being an honest person when he describes
00:07:04.860 it in the manner that he just did.
00:07:06.340 Take a listen to Tucker.
00:07:07.940 It's interesting.
00:07:08.900 You said a second ago that when people are really frustrated when the system they live
00:07:14.640 under fails them, they listen to voices that they shouldn't listen to or wouldn't listen
00:07:18.420 to under any other circumstance.
00:07:19.680 Like how did Al Sharpton get to be the leader of Black America or whatever?
00:07:22.280 I mean, it's like just it's a thing. 0.95
00:07:23.800 Like desperate people tend to go to crappy leaders, I think.
00:07:28.200 And I just can't get over what happened in our biggest city this week, the very same
00:07:32.840 week that everybody in D.C. is focused thousands of miles away on the greatest threat we face,
00:07:37.000 Iran's nuclear program.
00:07:38.440 I don't want Iran to have the bomb. 0.60
00:07:39.600 I'm not pro-Iran. 0.83
00:07:40.500 No.
00:07:41.220 We're not pro-Iran. 0.75
00:07:42.440 Yeah.
00:07:42.640 Like, why do we have to say it?
00:07:44.500 No, right.
00:07:44.800 We do. 1.00
00:07:45.200 It's dumb. 0.98
00:07:45.560 But at the same time that everybody was looking to Iran, our largest city had a Democratic 0.98
00:07:53.400 primary, effectively the mayor's race, and a 32-year-old socialist who wants government-run
00:07:59.540 grocery stores gets elected.
00:08:02.660 He's going to likely run our biggest city.
00:08:05.160 Yeah.
00:08:05.760 In the country.
00:08:07.600 Right.
00:08:08.020 New York.
00:08:08.520 And it's like, why did that happen?
00:08:10.800 Is it because people are so, like, desperate for government-run grocery stores or love socialism
00:08:14.520 or love, like, foreign-born midwits running their cities? 0.99
00:08:18.940 Probably not.
00:08:20.620 That guy was the only person in the New York City mayor's debate to say he wanted to focus
00:08:25.840 on New York City.
00:08:27.160 They were—all the candidates were asked, if you could visit a foreign country, what would
00:08:29.900 it be?
00:08:30.220 And they, of course, all had an answer.
00:08:32.460 I think most said Israel.
00:08:33.580 Great.
00:08:34.480 And he said, I wouldn't go anywhere.
00:08:35.540 I'd stay in New York.
00:08:36.300 And, like, if I want to meet Jewish constituents, I'd go to their synagogues, their homes, or
00:08:40.260 whatever, but I'd be here in New York because that's what I'm doing.
00:08:42.560 I'm running New York.
00:08:43.260 That's my job.
00:08:44.000 Well, he gave the right answer.
00:08:45.180 He gave the right answer.
00:08:46.160 Yeah.
00:08:46.360 He gave the right answer, at least.
00:08:47.280 And he's talking—I totally oppose his program, just to be clear.
00:08:50.260 Absolutely.
00:08:51.860 Yeah.
00:08:52.180 I don't think it works.
00:08:53.260 But he's talking about economics.
00:08:55.900 Yep.
00:08:56.660 And everyone else is talking about foreign policy.
00:08:58.880 So he said what I said.
00:09:02.840 I am describing to you why Mom Donnie won, and you're angry that people are assessing
00:09:07.300 why that happened.
00:09:08.380 It doesn't matter how many times you call somebody an anti-Semite.
00:09:11.240 People appreciated, it's very obvious, the fact that he was not focused on foreign policy
00:09:16.500 issues when there's so many domestic ones to prove from.
00:09:18.620 You got to learn why you lose elections, and it's not Tucker's job to get people elected,
00:09:24.440 least of all in cities that he doesn't live in.
00:09:26.940 Now, I want to also show you what Ben said about me, because it's so outrageous and it's
00:09:33.340 so dishonest that we actually should process what is happening here, okay?
00:09:38.920 This is a watershed moment.
00:09:41.020 Ben does not have it together.
00:09:42.540 He is very insecure, and he's going on the attack against Megyn Kelly by lying about what
00:09:48.100 I said and then forcing her to react to the evil of what I never said.
00:09:52.980 Here's what Ben said.
00:09:53.800 We're in a business where people comment on what we say publicly.
00:09:59.020 Again, this is why I think you and I differ on our angle with regard to, for example,
00:10:03.540 Candace Owens.
00:10:04.620 I think that what Candace Owens is doing right now is evil. 0.97
00:10:07.300 It is evil what she is doing right now, okay?
00:10:09.940 And I say that, again, because it is evil.
00:10:13.200 I didn't opine on whether it's evil or not, but my position is it's really none of my
00:10:17.980 business.
00:10:18.560 I have a question.
00:10:19.940 Why is it none of your business?
00:10:21.480 I mean, you comment on these things for a living.
00:10:23.240 I'm not mother of the internet.
00:10:24.560 No, but if this were on the left and somebody were accusing Charlie Kirk of his wife having
00:10:29.620 murdered him, I assume that you would be talking about it.
00:10:31.620 Is that what Candace is accusing Erica of? 1.00
00:10:33.980 Yes.
00:10:34.440 Of murdering her own husband? 0.87
00:10:36.080 She's accusing TPUSA insiders and other members of the right wing, including Seth Dillon, of
00:10:40.740 being involved in the murder of Charlie Kirk.
00:10:43.700 Yes.
00:10:43.900 It's just, I don't even know how to respond to it because it just never happened.
00:10:48.960 It's so crazy.
00:10:50.320 It's so, he's not even anywhere near what's happened.
00:10:53.880 Anybody who's watched this show, I actually was getting flack from my audience for not
00:10:57.760 covering Erica's past or speaking about her parents.
00:11:00.740 I said she gave one of the most consequential speeches and I have focused my investigation
00:11:05.900 on Turning Point USA and why they're telling certain lies.
00:11:10.060 Seth Dillon, I told the truth that Seth Dillon lied about the Hamptonians.
00:11:13.900 meeting and that he was pushing, he was pressuring Charlie about the topic of Israel.
00:11:18.540 I never once accused Seth Dillon of murdering Charlie Kirk.
00:11:22.520 So what's he actually doing here, right?
00:11:25.340 Obviously, there's a lot of layers that we should peel back and it's important that we
00:11:29.960 do it.
00:11:30.580 The least interesting part of this is the fact that he's lying through his teeth.
00:11:33.680 That's implied he's a Zionist, but there's a lot more that's happening that meets the
00:11:37.120 eye because Ben Shapiro was effectively the final boss of the pro-Israel lobby and it's
00:11:43.520 because he never comes out and says what he means.
00:11:47.540 He's kind of like more of a behind-the-scenes person and we're now watching him come undone
00:11:51.420 in real time because no matter who you are, in this age of digital media, it is simply
00:11:55.500 not a good idea to lie through your teeth, okay?
00:11:58.180 Wrong time, 2025.
00:12:00.100 Before you get the lie out, the internet is going to clock it, right?
00:12:02.780 They're going to go back and be like, you lied.
00:12:04.700 And when you do something like that, the blowback is going to be on you.
00:12:07.260 They're going to go, actually, this now impacts your credibility.
00:12:09.760 You said that Candace went out and said something about Erica.
00:12:13.580 By the way, you hear the people in the background going, woo!
00:12:16.300 I'm going to tell you what's happening there, too, and you're going to see how this thing
00:12:18.840 really works.
00:12:20.040 Point number one that I want to make about how why or what Ben is doing right here is
00:12:24.480 just the stunning hypocrisy of it, okay?
00:12:28.180 The rules for thee and not for me.
00:12:30.900 I am getting old.
00:12:32.140 My memory is getting a little fuzzy, but I distinctly remember the week that I was gloriously
00:12:36.800 fired from the Daily Wire, and during that week, the CEO of the Daily Wire, at the time
00:12:43.660 it was Jeremy Boring, jumped onto an X-Space hosted by Lauren Chen and had a conversation
00:12:50.620 with Nick Fuentes where he sang Nick Fuentes' praises and also invited him onto the Daily
00:12:57.200 Wire, okay?
00:12:58.780 Here's a headline, because the Huffington Post remembers, too, Daily Wire CEO tells white 0.93
00:13:04.500 supremacist Nick Fuentes that he's talented and he's very funny.
00:13:07.600 The article goes on.
00:13:09.420 During a live-streamed conversation with white supremacist Nick Fuentes last week, the CEO
00:13:14.120 of the Daily Wire, a major right-wing media outlet, praised the prominent fascist influencer
00:13:19.580 and offered only mild criticism about some of his political views, a stark difference from
00:13:24.420 how he has spoken about Fuentes in the past.
00:13:27.280 On March 25th, the Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boring joined Fuentes on X for a live audio chat room.
00:13:33.980 Boring told Fuentes that he listens to Fuentes' show quite often and that he thinks Fuentes
00:13:39.540 is, quote-unquote, very funny and one of the most talented political influencers, even if
00:13:44.840 he is very concerned about some of what Fuentes says.
00:13:48.440 Later in the discussion, Boring said that he'd be thrilled to have Fuentes on one of the Daily
00:13:53.800 Wire's shows to debate the media company's popular pundits, some of whom have millions of
00:14:00.120 viewers.
00:14:00.480 This happened.
00:14:03.540 So I want you just to remember this because I feel like people are not appreciating how
00:14:08.460 hypocritical it is that he's now trying to struggle session Megyn Kelly because, oh,
00:14:14.100 he had Fuentes on the show when the Daily Wire position in 2024 was that their CEO could
00:14:20.760 talk to Nick Fuentes publicly, praise Nick Fuentes publicly, and also invite Nick Fuentes onto
00:14:26.140 the Daily Wire platform.
00:14:27.420 We can actually, we should actually take a listen to a little bit of that conversation
00:14:32.300 between Jeremy Boring, then CEO of Daily Wire, and Nick Fuentes.
00:14:36.700 Take a listen.
00:14:37.860 People can say, well, I don't like what you say about this and that.
00:14:41.100 I don't like that guys like Shapiro cannot, will not say Christ is king, America first.
00:14:45.960 I think they forfeit their ability to lead.
00:14:48.400 I would never listen to somebody that can't say those things because, I mean, those things
00:14:52.300 are really the foundation of wisdom, which is the love of God, which, as you say, goes
00:14:56.760 through the sun, as we all know, can only go through Jesus, and oikophilia, which is, 0.95
00:15:01.380 you know, your love of your home, your love of your homeland that you reside in, not some
00:15:06.260 other homeland.
00:15:07.180 So I just want to get that across to you.
00:15:10.160 It's kind of a strange circumstance that we're talking, but that's how I feel about it.
00:15:14.040 And I'll say this, Nick, that I listen to your show quite often.
00:15:17.360 I think you're one of the most talented people out there, and I'm very concerned about some
00:15:20.980 of the things that you're saying.
00:15:22.480 I wish, I think that you're a very gifted communicator, and so it's hard for me to imagine
00:15:29.620 that you consistently miscommunicate some of these things, and I'll hope that I'm wrong
00:15:36.620 and yield the floor back to all the people who actually came on here to talk to each other.
00:15:44.040 Um, anybody want to help me out why it's now different?
00:15:47.560 Hmm, what could be different now that it was okay when the Daily Wire was open to doing
00:15:52.740 it, and then Tucker did it, and now it's suddenly not okay, and it's the worst sin that could
00:15:56.460 ever happen to speak to Nick Fuentes?
00:15:58.940 Point number two I'm going to make here is the stunning hypocrisy again, okay, of him picking
00:16:04.400 the topic of Charlie Kirk to pretend that he's noble, uh, to, to pretend like he has to
00:16:11.620 say something, even though he's lying, in defense of what's happening to Charlie Kirk's
00:16:15.820 widow, when it is just a fact that Ben Shapiro did a lot of things behind the scenes to stop
00:16:21.360 the rise of Charlie Kirk.
00:16:22.500 It's a fact, okay?
00:16:24.680 Here's another text message.
00:16:26.180 I have literal hundreds of them pertaining to Ben, sending his YAF boys, the AF boys,
00:16:32.620 National Review peeps that were coming after us, writing articles, one that I showed in this
00:16:36.740 little, uh, uh, our thumbnail here, uh, we can show this conversation, um, yeah, it was,
00:16:43.100 it was a headline, Ben Shapiro's YAF launches smear campaign against Charlie Kirk and Candace
00:16:48.260 Owens. 0.95
00:16:48.880 Hey, Charlie, wherever you are, it's happening again.
00:16:52.060 It's just like, just a smear campaign.
00:16:53.900 I don't know why, but this is what Ben does.
00:16:56.020 And it is also interesting that when I was telling you that Ben called Charlie and he was
00:17:03.940 lamenting the fact that Charlie and I had this friendship and warning him that he shouldn't
00:17:07.760 have him, Charlie felt like Ben was like throwing down like slave owner vibes.
00:17:13.080 And he was just like, he thinks I like own you or something, but I'm going to show you
00:17:15.780 the tech messages because otherwise you'll say it didn't happen.
00:17:18.460 Here we go.
00:17:19.660 Uh, this was again, everything we, Ben was going on people's shows and, and talking down
00:17:25.020 about me and Charlie.
00:17:26.600 And he said, you're bigger than Ben now.
00:17:28.500 I'm walking into the white house yesterday.
00:17:29.720 I realized that I said, I know he hates it.
00:17:31.620 He said, we just have to treat him like noise.
00:17:33.800 He wants you to punch down to him.
00:17:35.440 His respect amongst movement fighters is quite low.
00:17:38.340 I feel like that's relevant right now to what Ben's doing.
00:17:40.380 He wants to egg on this fight because he's lost a certain bit of respect.
00:17:45.080 Um, and then Charlie goes on, you got in his head, which is terrific.
00:17:49.100 The Ben thing involves me more than he wants to admit.
00:17:52.200 And then we went on and this is the same conversation.
00:17:56.300 He knows that Jon Snow, he's using a Game of Thrones reference, is stronger as the dragons
00:18:00.780 fly higher.
00:18:02.400 And he said, it pisses him off. 1.00
00:18:03.600 And he is sending his incestuous brother to go try and kill us. 1.00
00:18:07.140 It's worse. 1.00
00:18:07.660 He views you as my slave, 100%.
00:18:09.820 Control her is what he really was saying to me when he called.
00:18:13.820 So this has been, and by the way, like I said, I have hundreds of these messages.
00:18:16.940 And so you have to imagine being in my position when you see someone who did everything he
00:18:22.700 could to kind of stop the rise of Charlie Kirk now trying to struggle session Megan, who 1.00
00:18:27.940 was actually a very good friend to Charlie.
00:18:30.500 Charlie deeply respected her.
00:18:31.560 And towards the end, obviously, she took a very principled position on telling the truth
00:18:35.140 about what he was going through.
00:18:36.100 And Charlie dies.
00:18:37.480 And suddenly he's like, I care about this evil that could be Hapcans is investigating who 1.00
00:18:42.800 killed her friend.
00:18:43.520 And she shouldn't be doing that.
00:18:45.580 I mean, there's no way to spin it.
00:18:46.940 What is his suggestion here?
00:18:48.240 That me asking questions about Turning Point USA somehow means that I'm blaming Erica,
00:18:53.440 who wasn't even working for Turning Point USA when Charlie died because now she's the CEO.
00:18:58.560 Of course, she doesn't believe that.
00:19:01.120 And it is just to me, it is truly so gross to do this to a person that, you know, you
00:19:07.920 tried to block and you just now that he's dead, I guess you want to sort of rewrite history.
00:19:12.060 That's what you're trying to rewrite history and pretend that you're his ardent defender.
00:19:16.440 Now, another point that I'd like to make is the stunning hypocrisy again and again when
00:19:21.680 you stop and you consider that he's pressing Megan and referring to this as an evil.
00:19:28.560 The thing that I never said or did.
00:19:30.840 But this is the same Ben Shapiro that roots the destruction of Gaza on.
00:19:35.560 He supports and congratulated Randy Fine, who has literally tweeted laughing at photos of
00:19:42.220 dead Palestinian babies.
00:19:44.240 But I guess Tucker Carlson speaking to Nick Fuentes is just so much worse than celebrating
00:19:50.160 and not just celebrating, interviewing a man who is committing an actual genocide.
00:19:56.460 OK, that's not up for debate.
00:19:58.720 That's what they're trying him for.
00:20:00.020 Bibi Netanyahu is committing a genocide and Ben Shapiro sat down with him last month.
00:20:04.600 And do you guys think he pressed Bibi Netanyahu on the point of a genocide?
00:20:09.920 I don't understand how you could just go out there with your hair on your chest and your
00:20:15.880 chest.
00:20:16.200 You're just like, yeah, how dare you?
00:20:18.560 How dare you not make a comment, Megan, about Tucker Carlson?
00:20:23.000 How dare you not make a comment?
00:20:24.580 I care now about Charlie Kirk now that he's dead.
00:20:27.640 I care about him and what's happening.
00:20:29.900 Candace trying to find out who killed him.
00:20:32.040 That's evil.
00:20:34.080 You're lying.
00:20:35.120 You lie when you have nothing left.
00:20:37.020 So the question becomes, what is Ben actually doing here?
00:20:40.480 Because it's certainly not principled.
00:20:41.900 I think we can put that to bed.
00:20:43.180 It's actually also risky behavior when it comes to Ben Shapiro.
00:20:47.220 Like he doesn't usually come out of the gate like that.
00:20:49.620 And I think a couple of things are driving this unforced error.
00:20:53.600 One, I do believe that he is actually scared of Nick Fuentes.
00:20:57.420 OK, I think that fear comes from guilt.
00:21:00.580 Nick's backstory, don't care what you think about him.
00:21:02.660 You already know I don't like Nick Fuentes because of how he treated me.
00:21:06.120 But the backstory is compelling.
00:21:08.460 I learned the backstory listening to Jeremy Boring, the former CEO of Daily Wire, sit
00:21:12.320 down with Nick.
00:21:12.880 So I was right after I've been fired and I didn't know what Ben and Jeremy admitted
00:21:18.440 that they did to him.
00:21:20.600 And so I think if you artificially push somebody out of the market and Ben has never come out
00:21:25.960 and denied anything that Nick Fuentes has said, also Jeremy Boring didn't deny it in a
00:21:30.720 conversation with him.
00:21:31.480 So we have to assume the story is true.
00:21:33.380 And given what I know about what happens now, I think and what Charlie was going through,
00:21:37.900 I think we can all realize that Nick was an 18 year old kid like he told Tucker.
00:21:41.820 And now the whole world knows this story.
00:21:43.480 He started asking questions about Israel and he got artificially pushed out of the market
00:21:47.280 when he had his whole life ahead of him.
00:21:48.600 OK, and now when they did this because they wanted to rid themselves of Nick Fuentes, who
00:21:55.240 then became angry about it and definitively has said very offensive things on the Internet,
00:21:59.980 but also he was 18, 19 years old.
00:22:03.020 Now you see him on Tucker Carlson.
00:22:05.540 You don't like Tucker Carlson.
00:22:07.180 And I think it makes him uncomfortable.
00:22:10.020 I think we're in Harry Potter.
00:22:11.780 Right.
00:22:12.180 And Lord Voldemort thought he killed the baby and the baby may be lit.
00:22:16.820 I don't even know who the Dark Lord is in this story, but I do know.
00:22:20.020 I don't I don't even know who he must not be named is in this story.
00:22:22.920 But I do know that with Ben and Nick Fuentes, it's kind of a neither can live while the other
00:22:27.540 survives.
00:22:28.180 And Nick Fuentes seems to have survived.
00:22:30.080 OK, without advertisers, without sponsors, without connections, what with the entire
00:22:36.860 media writing things about him being put on the ADL's list, he has proven to be quite
00:22:42.200 resilient.
00:22:42.760 And it is in large part due to how hard they fight him that people become curious.
00:22:47.360 It's like what you're we're watching kids be bombed.
00:22:50.460 Like how many people have lost their lives in Gaza and you're telling me the greatest 1.00
00:22:54.020 evil is is Nick Fuentes.
00:22:55.780 I'm sorry.
00:22:56.400 I think I can survive Nick Fuentes insulting me.
00:22:58.620 I don't feel the need to wheel and deal behind the scenes or, you know, tell Tucker not to
00:23:02.440 host.
00:23:02.620 I just don't care.
00:23:03.260 It's just really not my business.
00:23:04.240 I'm like Megan.
00:23:04.760 I just don't care.
00:23:05.620 Like, OK, if somebody wants to be a fan, they can be a fan of Nick Fuentes.
00:23:08.540 And I sense an insecurity here in the fact that 10 years on from when Ben had this thing
00:23:16.420 that happened to Nick Fuentes that he tells a story about.
00:23:18.680 So now Nick Fuentes is still here and and Ben's influence is waning.
00:23:23.660 It just factually is.
00:23:25.640 OK, another thing that's happening here, and this is on the point of Megyn Kelly and going
00:23:30.180 back to the making it sound like Ben's got a popular position about me.
00:23:35.300 I sense that the pro-Israel lobby is on the brink of collapse.
00:23:39.320 They are desperate for allies.
00:23:40.800 Right.
00:23:41.260 And they're so desperate for allies that they're forcing them away.
00:23:44.400 That's what they're doing to Megyn Kelly. 0.94
00:23:45.900 Right.
00:23:46.700 They're showing the world right now.
00:23:48.260 But they are willing to lie to get what they want.
00:23:50.720 Ben is lying right now to get what he wants.
00:23:53.220 And for whatever reason, the pro-Israel lobby believes that this repeat failed strategy
00:23:57.920 of lying and threatening people is going to work.
00:24:02.240 Now, you might be asking, well, how is Megyn Kelly being threatened here?
00:24:05.400 This is exactly what Ben just did on stage.
00:24:07.880 That is exactly the moral blackmail that Charlie was speaking about in the last days of his life.
00:24:12.920 OK, Ben is morally blackmailing Megyn.
00:24:16.540 Right.
00:24:16.780 He's sitting across from her.
00:24:17.960 The threat is her reputation.
00:24:19.200 He's standing there and he's saying, Candace is attacking a grieving widow and accusing her
00:24:24.060 of murdering Charlie Kirk.
00:24:25.820 Will you disavow this evil on the spot?
00:24:29.560 He's got these fake people going, whoa, yeah.
00:24:32.500 And you can see Megyn's uncomfortable because she's like, well, did she say that, man?
00:24:36.060 Like, maybe that is evil.
00:24:37.020 Like, that's does that happen?
00:24:38.300 He doubles down.
00:24:38.740 He's like, yes.
00:24:40.100 She said, Seth Dillon murdered Charlie Kirk.
00:24:42.640 Will you disavow this evil on the spot?
00:24:44.980 That is moral blackmail.
00:24:48.320 Are you a better person than to accept Candace Owens, who has attacked a grieving widow and
00:24:53.900 is saying to that grieving widow that you murdered your own husband?
00:24:57.500 That is moral blackmail.
00:24:59.040 Now, speaking of on the spot, everything that you just saw happen here and Megyn Kelly, I
00:25:05.340 hope you see this.
00:25:06.280 Truly, you guys send this clip to her.
00:25:08.140 This is really important.
00:25:09.480 It is preplanned.
00:25:11.360 It is not organic.
00:25:13.180 The supporters are not organic.
00:25:14.480 The questions are not organic.
00:25:16.420 We can pull back another layer of this onion so you can understand how vicious politics
00:25:21.120 is because it is vicious.
00:25:23.340 You might remember, maybe you forgot, but I spoke at YWLS in 2024 right after I was fired
00:25:29.460 from the Daily Wire and a big thing happened and we should never forget it, okay?
00:25:34.720 While I was heading to speak at this event, we learned because there was an intern at the
00:25:40.660 Daily Wire who had a conscience and she felt very uncomfortable with the secret mission
00:25:45.800 that she was put on.
00:25:47.300 We learned that a covert mission was happening where they were sending an intern to ask me
00:25:52.600 a question, okay?
00:25:54.000 To get my answer on the question and then what was going to happen next is they were going
00:25:57.720 to pass around a clip, but they were going to make it look like she was just a random
00:26:01.460 student.
00:26:01.880 Let me show you a clip because we found this out.
00:26:05.440 I called it out on stage.
00:26:07.420 Charlie intercepted.
00:26:08.500 We found what her name was and I called this girl out on stage. 1.00
00:26:12.560 Take a listen.
00:26:13.040 The thing that I am going to say strangely, this is such a crazy story, but as I was headed
00:26:19.760 in here, I got a frantic call from somebody.
00:26:23.680 They called me and they said, Candace, something very weird is happening.
00:26:28.220 The Daily Wire has sent somebody secretly to record you, an intern, a PR intern to secretly
00:26:36.200 record you, to catch you in a bad moment, in a bad light.
00:26:40.080 And I think that intern's name, no, to be fair, it is never the fault of a person when
00:26:48.740 their employer is sending them to do something that isn't good, but I would really love it
00:26:53.400 if Ariana stood up.
00:26:59.560 Yeah.
00:27:00.920 Okay, maybe that's a little too intimidating for you too, but apparently she got an email
00:27:04.640 at 10 p.m., hopped on a plane, is pretending to be a student.
00:27:07.620 And so I do just want to say to Ben Shapiro, enough, come out into the lights, really, come
00:27:23.140 on, let's do this debate.
00:27:25.240 Stop sending interns to do your dirty work. 1.00
00:27:27.340 I don't bite, I'm down for the debate.
00:27:37.700 Charlie Kirk says he will fly you out.
00:27:40.700 He will fly you out next week to Detroit, and we can do the debates on his stage.
00:27:46.600 Thank you, Turning Point USA.
00:27:48.420 Let's take some questions.
00:27:49.580 Oh, you know, the Turning Point USA that I wasn't a part of, that's how it went down.
00:27:55.600 And Charlie was like, yeah, that's crazy that this is happening.
00:27:58.000 He's like, call him out on stage and offer the debate, and I will fly him out personally
00:28:01.840 to come debate you on this.
00:28:03.320 But this is how it works, okay?
00:28:05.200 They send people, they make it look like it's organic, they'll send people to your events,
00:28:09.340 and they will have people applaud.
00:28:10.940 That was orchestrated by Alyssa Cordova, now that she's not at the Daily Wire.
00:28:14.020 I can say that, who I was calling out yesterday, but it's so important for people to get this.
00:28:18.320 What is happening at Megan's events, I will guarantee you people coming and asking her
00:28:21.700 questions and trying to get her to disavow Tucker Carlson, that is not organic, okay?
00:28:26.480 That is pro-Israel people that are paid to do it. 0.88
00:28:29.540 Honestly, Megan, if you're watching, you give me the list of your attendees.
00:28:33.280 I'm assuming this is a ticketed event.
00:28:34.840 I will find the people.
00:28:36.400 They'll be from YAF.
00:28:37.320 They will be from some organization.
00:28:39.120 If you let me go through the names, I love an investigation.
00:28:40.940 I will tell you how many people were sent there to go, whoo, and Roris applaud, actually
00:28:47.560 trying to intimidate you and to force you to take a position and to make you feel uncomfortable
00:28:52.720 because it's a part of that moral blackmail pileup.
00:28:56.680 And so I'm actually genuinely not upset.
00:28:58.900 I don't care.
00:28:59.380 I believe in the free markets.
00:29:01.000 I genuinely will say again, I will always debate Ben Shapiro.
00:29:04.140 If Tucker left you on red and you want to come on this show and you want to debate Israel
00:29:09.200 and you want to discuss Erica Kirk and the things I never said, if you want to discuss
00:29:13.200 your relationship with Charlie Kirk, anything that I have said that you would like to dispute,
00:29:17.900 my platform is your platform.
00:29:19.760 I'd say you should come on my platform because my show is bigger now, but we could also do
00:29:23.900 yours.
00:29:24.520 So hit me up.
00:29:25.920 We'll be right back after a brief break.
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00:32:01.180 I'm serious, you guys.
00:32:02.420 Megyn Kelly, make sure you let her know in her comments. 0.68
00:32:04.840 Blow her up because I have seen it before.
00:32:07.000 I know exactly what's happening and they are going to be at every single tour stop trying
00:32:10.580 to struggle session her into making a comment.
00:32:12.700 It's just, it's weird.
00:32:13.540 I don't know why they keep demanding that she disavows Tucker and Candice.
00:32:18.320 I don't work with Megyn Kelly, but I know how this goes. 0.65
00:32:22.220 It's the exact same process by which the pro-Israel lobby lost Charlie Kirk because eventually
00:32:28.740 you just get tired of being bullied and you start to sense and see that it's not organic
00:32:33.700 and also it's not coming from your quote unquote friends.
00:32:36.500 I just would never do this.
00:32:37.920 It wouldn't even flash in my mind as an idea that I should text Tucker Carlson and tell
00:32:45.400 him who he should or should not have on his platform or how he should use his platform.
00:32:49.320 It doesn't, it's just not how normal people behave and they don't understand how abnormal
00:32:54.280 it is.
00:32:55.620 Anyways, switching gears here.
00:32:57.100 I got to show you a couple of clips that are going viral right now and CNN has cut these
00:33:00.420 clips because they think they're embarrassing to me.
00:33:02.740 So there's this young woman, she's the same age as me.
00:33:06.760 Elle Reeve is her name and I'm going to be also be clear.
00:33:09.880 However, I got very testy in this interview because it was a couple of days after Charlie
00:33:15.860 was killed.
00:33:16.380 First interview I was giving just worked out that it was CNN.
00:33:19.320 It wasn't about Charlie Kirk, but we had set this up before and I decided to keep the
00:33:24.000 appointment.
00:33:24.800 You know, I hadn't been sleeping.
00:33:26.420 I hadn't been eating.
00:33:27.580 And this woman, I guess, decided that she just wanted to poke a bear. 1.00
00:33:31.920 Anyways, she's the one passing around this clip because she thinks it totally embarrasses 1.00
00:33:37.400 me and shows that I'm a white nationalist.
00:33:40.980 Take a listen.
00:33:42.800 You can criticize Netanyahu without being anti-Israel and you can criticize Israel without
00:33:48.100 being anti-Semitic.
00:33:50.380 But some of the themes, talking points, concepts you've used in your criticism of Israel, I'm
00:33:59.580 very familiar with from covering white nationalists for 10 years.
00:34:02.820 It's very unsettling for me to hear things like you saying, our government is occupied
00:34:08.400 by Zionists.
00:34:09.260 Trump is occupied by Zionists. 1.00
00:34:11.140 We're an occupied nation.
00:34:14.200 Because like there's literally a term that's like an 80s, 90s term from white nationalism,
00:34:19.900 Zog. 1.00
00:34:20.460 Zionist occupied government.
00:34:22.080 It's their idea that Jews control the world. 1.00
00:34:24.520 And I'm wondering, like, are you intentionally referencing those kind of themes?
00:34:29.900 Wait, just to slow this down, are you accusing me of white nationalist rhetoric?
00:34:34.580 Because I do have to have a little bit of a giggle about that first.
00:34:36.600 Well, that's, I mean, to me, I'm also like, they'd be no fan of yours. 0.94
00:34:40.480 It's just, it's silly.
00:34:41.860 But this is one of the things where I feel like it's such a lesson for CNN.
00:34:44.300 This is why nobody watches it anymore. 0.91
00:34:45.900 I mean, it's like, you're sitting across from a black person. 0.70
00:34:47.640 You're like, I've learned about white nationalism.
00:34:49.940 And you're using white nationalism.
00:34:51.180 It's not that I, like, I know them.
00:34:52.380 I've been to their rallies.
00:34:53.420 I've read all their texts.
00:34:54.160 I get it.
00:34:54.480 I know.
00:34:54.940 I'm so glad you're educated.
00:34:55.920 But this is when it's like, put it in a book and anybody will say it.
00:35:00.020 It's like, it's just, at a certain point, you have to use your eyes and go,
00:35:03.360 is Candace Owens promoting white nationalist rhetoric? 1.00
00:35:05.960 Okay.
00:35:06.720 Immediately, no.
00:35:07.800 So what else could it be?
00:35:09.100 Could it be that actually Zionism is what it actually represents?
00:35:13.220 What does that mean?
00:35:13.880 Like, we're literally occupied?
00:35:14.740 Zionism is a political philosophy.
00:35:16.440 Zionist occupied government.
00:35:17.400 If you look into the history, yes.
00:35:18.680 I believe we are a Zionist occupied government and we're not the only one.
00:35:22.120 Okay?
00:35:22.500 Yes.
00:35:22.780 And I take it to the bank.
00:35:23.820 If you need to walk out of here and say Candace Owens is a white nationalist for you to be able 0.54
00:35:27.640 to digest it, then that's fine.
00:35:29.960 You know, you have to go with that in your own time.
00:35:31.400 But what I will say is I stand by every statement that I made and I want to double down on it.
00:35:38.200 Okay?
00:35:38.480 America is occupied by Zionists. 1.00
00:35:42.620 I'd like to triple down on that if there's anybody going.
00:35:45.380 I'd like to triple down on that.
00:35:47.200 These tactics are super boring and tired and this is why it hinges upon suppressing speech, right?
00:35:54.260 Constantly having to refer to somebody as evil or a white supremacist or anti-Semitic because you've lost the argument on the base.
00:36:01.560 Like, there is no merit to your argument anymore.
00:36:03.840 So it's all a constant struggle session of semantics.
00:36:07.760 And then she moves on to they.
00:36:11.740 Do you remember growing up when we were just allowed to use the word they in sentences?
00:36:15.880 And nobody said, what do you mean by that?
00:36:19.640 Several times.
00:36:20.420 She just, what do you mean by they?
00:36:22.200 As if she didn't understand how to construct a basic sentence and to refer back to the noun.
00:36:30.180 She had no idea which plural noun I was referring to.
00:36:32.940 Anyways, I was not really in the mood.
00:36:36.420 And here is our conversation about they.
00:36:41.320 They is a word.
00:36:42.260 So, like, I don't need to always, like, say they.
00:36:44.880 Like, it's just a weird, it's like, this is one of these psychology tactics where you're like, who is they?
00:36:49.960 Who is they?
00:36:50.580 And it's like.
00:36:50.820 Because it sounds like you're saying Jews.
00:36:53.640 Does the word they mean Jews?
00:36:55.560 When you're talking about Jews, yes.
00:36:58.500 But if I'm not talking about Jews, then they doesn't mean Jews.
00:37:01.340 When I say they want us to believe this or they want us to believe that and you hear Jews, that's your own derangement, right? 1.00
00:37:07.760 If I want to say something about Jews, I'll say it. 1.00
00:37:10.380 If I want to say something about Israel, I will say it. 0.97
00:37:13.340 If I want to, just like when I want to say something about black people, I'll say it. 1.00
00:37:16.560 When I was saying during BLM, they want us to believe.
00:37:20.120 Nobody said, do you mean Jews? 0.98
00:37:21.800 And so, again, it's one of these trash tactics to make people fearful to speak. 0.99
00:37:27.720 If I want to say Jews, I will say Jews. 1.00
00:37:29.360 I don't fear saying Jews.
00:37:31.780 When I say Zionists run the media, I mean Zionists run the media. 1.00
00:37:36.540 People that support the political ideology of Israel run the media.
00:37:42.240 Any other things that I can help clarify?
00:37:44.560 But are you familiar with this, like, very long-standing trope? 0.99
00:37:47.800 You couldn't give a shit about a trope. 0.99
00:37:53.380 I really try not to curse, but I just felt like we needed to kill it real quick. 0.99
00:37:58.080 You know what I mean?
00:37:58.720 Just get her to move on from it because I really don't care.
00:38:01.500 And I'm so tired of these words.
00:38:02.660 I'm just, I'm tired.
00:38:03.460 I'm exhausted.
00:38:04.100 Are you exhausted?
00:38:04.980 We're tired.
00:38:05.900 Collectively, we're tired.
00:38:07.240 I had to shut it down because I suddenly realized I was homeschooling my toddlers.
00:38:10.780 And I told her, as an interview goes on, I was like, look, I have toddlers at home.
00:38:13.720 I can't teach you, you know, basic sentences.
00:38:16.140 I'm teaching my toddlers how to read.
00:38:17.800 And here I am.
00:38:18.420 I'm teaching her how to understand they in a sentence.
00:38:22.420 That's a place.
00:38:23.220 What are we doing?
00:38:24.220 How old is this person?
00:38:25.520 And she says she's the same age as me.
00:38:26.580 And I'm going, you missed first grade?
00:38:29.360 You don't know what they means?
00:38:31.560 And now you're just going to, it's a trope.
00:38:33.300 This is the way to respond, okay?
00:38:35.880 Just shut it down immediately.
00:38:38.700 Embrace whatever you're going to be called.
00:38:40.520 And in her, in this circumstance, if I got to be called a white supremacist to say my opinion about this administration and how it's been occupied by Zionists and the cruelties that the Palestinian children are suffering at the hands of Bibi Netanyahu, then so be it. 0.70
00:38:58.120 And I don't encourage you guys to cuss.
00:39:01.280 It's a rare moment.
00:39:02.300 Like I said, it was a couple days after Charlie Kirk died and I just was not in the mood.
00:39:05.080 But I do encourage you guys to defend yourselves in a similar manner.
00:39:10.240 Now, in that same vein, in case you guys missed this going around, Eric and Laura Trump spoke at a recent TPUSA event at Auburn University.
00:39:19.220 And it's a different era, okay?
00:39:22.440 The post-Charlie Kirk era at Turning Point USA.
00:39:25.860 My guess after watching this is people are going to be less inclined to want to attend these events.
00:39:32.320 And I'm speaking about the guests like Eric and Laura Trump because they are getting pressed now by students about Israel.
00:39:40.040 Take a listen.
00:39:41.340 I'd like to ask about your father's relationship with Israel.
00:39:44.940 He's taken over $230 million from pro-Israel groups.
00:39:49.920 During the summer against Iran, even though he advised against it, Israel still attacked Iran and the U.S. still bombed on behalf of Israel.
00:40:00.580 Your father's frustrations with Netanyahu have been made clear when he cursed on national TV over the situation.
00:40:10.740 Israel has not been a great ally to the U.S. all the way since 1960 when they bombed the USS Liberty.
00:40:18.260 Israel is a nation where Christians are constantly under attack in both Gaza and the West Bank.
00:40:23.940 We talk about America first and defending Christians, but how can we do this if we align ourselves with a nation that does not do that itself? 0.94
00:40:32.940 There's no question my father said frustration.
00:40:43.140 In fact, I think he said frustration throughout the whole conflict with both sides.
00:40:46.400 At the same time, make no mistake, you have a nation that is chanting death to America every single day on the streets of Tehran. 0.69
00:40:54.080 You have a nation that will develop a nuclear weapon, and you have a nation that will use that nuclear weapon against the Western way of life. 0.66
00:41:00.160 There's no question about it.
00:41:01.240 In response to the nukes from Iran, Israel has nuclear weapons and is not a part of the IEA, unlike Iran.
00:41:10.080 And it's just sad to see, because I've never seen the American president get treated the way he does by the Israeli government.
00:41:19.720 But here's what I'll add.
00:41:22.880 Do we or do we not have phase one of a peace agreement in the Middle East right now?
00:41:28.700 Nothing is ever going to be perfect, but I'll tell you what, this president works with what he has.
00:41:37.780 He believes in peace through strength.
00:41:40.140 And whether we're talking about in the Middle East, whether we're talking about a 40 year war like Armenia and Azerbaijan, as Eric just pointed out, a five day war in Thailand and Cambodia.
00:41:50.080 Syria, this is a president of peace.
00:41:52.660 I don't know.
00:41:56.720 It's just it's lost its edge, right?
00:42:00.480 Like, MAGA is over.
00:42:01.320 It just feels you just know it's over.
00:42:02.740 It's just over.
00:42:03.600 And I say this, by the way, and I'm always very honest to you about how people are behind the scenes.
00:42:07.820 Eric and Laura have always been unbelievably kind to me.
00:42:10.620 I have nothing bad to say about them as human beings.
00:42:13.140 Laura works very hard.
00:42:14.960 And Eric, by the way, works very hard, you know, running the Trump organization, certainly while his father has to go and be president.
00:42:22.060 He took over.
00:42:22.760 But they know they're not telling the truth.
00:42:25.440 Right.
00:42:25.720 They know they're not telling the truth.
00:42:27.040 The kids are now awake.
00:42:28.200 They know about Jared and his deals with the Vanka in the Middle East and how much money they're set to make. 1.00
00:42:33.740 And, you know, Gaza being destroyed is actually beneficial to their bank accounts. 0.51
00:42:39.160 It just is.
00:42:39.780 And to think these kids and the fact that he was ready to answer about the nuclear, that's always the threat of the nuclear.
00:42:46.460 And that used to work like generation 9-11 that worked doesn't work anymore because we realize there's only one nation that isn't following any rules.
00:42:54.040 There's only one nation that isn't respecting America.
00:42:56.540 There's only one nation that generations of American children, American men are being told they have to die for in foreign lands.
00:43:06.040 So at the benefit of what nation?
00:43:08.240 Not America. 0.89
00:43:08.720 If America, throughout all these wars, was not in a steep decline and actually we walked around and our streets were clean and we didn't have any homelessness and people were not on drugs, we probably would go, okay, like we're up to no good in the Middle East. 0.79
00:43:26.060 But at least look at this country.
00:43:27.320 It's shining.
00:43:28.300 It's amazing.
00:43:30.700 What's our upside?
00:43:31.600 Our upside is we get to get lectured and told that we're not even allowed to bring up Israel on college campuses or risk being like arrested, getting stricter on anti-Semitism laws.
00:43:44.180 Now you're coming in for our speech and you thought that this generation was going to get behind it because what, Bibi bought TikTok? 0.90
00:43:49.920 The hypocrisy is astounding and you can't survive hypocrisy.
00:43:53.280 So unfortunately, I think four years ago, everyone thought, who's going to be the next Trump family member that's going to get into politics and galvanize the youth movement?
00:44:02.160 It's done.
00:44:03.140 Dead on arrival now.
00:44:04.600 And it's because you guys went for broke on Israel.
00:44:06.760 So, you know, whatever the real estate plan is in Gaza, that's, you know, that's going to be the Trump legacy, I suppose.
00:44:16.380 And to be honest, that wouldn't be the legacy that I'd want to have because people are not going to forget what happened there.
00:44:22.920 Your children's children are probably going to feel ashamed, to be honest with you, that you were involved in it and that you defended it or that you stayed quiet about it because of money.
00:44:34.580 People are paying you to do those things.
00:44:36.560 Anyways, you guys, I think that's enough.
00:44:38.860 We're going to take a quick little break before I answer some of your questions.
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00:46:57.900 All right, jumping into some of your comments here.
00:47:01.400 RN Explorer writes,
00:47:02.460 Why can't Tucker interview Fuentes?
00:47:04.420 Ben is upset with Tucker for this.
00:47:05.800 I have seen this kind of immaturity in high school between teenage girls.
00:47:09.740 I'm mad at her because she's talking to the girl that I don't like.
00:47:12.620 Ben, please stop.
00:47:13.920 I agree.
00:47:14.980 There is something fundamentally high school about it.
00:47:18.500 It's so weird.
00:47:19.520 And I think they truly thought this was it.
00:47:21.860 Like, I know it's every week they renew their efforts to cancel Tucker, but I think they thought they had him.
00:47:26.760 Like, this was really going to be it.
00:47:28.540 And, of course, it always backfires because people go, how immature?
00:47:31.760 Why can't Nick Fuentes tell a story?
00:47:33.100 I just, I don't understand it.
00:47:34.300 I'm not offended by anybody sitting down with Nick Fuentes.
00:47:37.620 And I think everybody should be in the free markets.
00:47:41.240 If Nick Fuentes loses in the free markets, I want it to be because there was better competition,
00:47:46.680 not because he's just been artificially pushed out.
00:47:49.180 That's the only way that that works.
00:47:51.180 Otherwise, it just, it's immature.
00:47:53.740 It just is immature. 0.84
00:47:54.760 And it's whiny, too.
00:47:56.960 Katie Rabian writes, missing Charlie Extra today.
00:47:59.860 We all deserve the truth no matter how awful it is.
00:48:02.060 Please never stop fighting for our brother in Christ.
00:48:04.260 You're in our prayers.
00:48:05.020 May God bless and protect you, Candace.
00:48:06.280 I don't care at all about Ben trying to join people.
00:48:11.460 It's almost like they're trying to peer pressure me.
00:48:14.140 Like, there's like this threat, like they want me to say something bad about Erica
00:48:16.380 because they want me to stop investigating it,
00:48:19.080 which is making me feel weird that it's always the pro-Israel lobby that's doing this.
00:48:23.080 People that weren't friends with Charlie, okay,
00:48:25.260 are trying to struggle session us into no longer investigating what happened here
00:48:31.220 in order for us to, in order for us to get a clean bill of health of not attacking a widow.
00:48:36.440 It's like, oh, if you investigate, then you're attacking Erica.
00:48:39.060 It's a nonsense.
00:48:39.940 It makes me think that there's something there, right?
00:48:43.360 Like, what are they so afraid of?
00:48:45.400 Why is the pro-Israel lobby in particular so afraid of any incursion
00:48:51.040 into the absurd storyline that the feds are trying to sell us about Charlie Kirk, right?
00:48:56.740 It reeks of desperation.
00:48:58.720 And desperation only exists when there's something to hide.
00:49:00.940 And Israel has not been acting right from the beginning of this.
00:49:03.880 We know that.
00:49:04.560 We know Israel has not been acting right.
00:49:07.380 We didn't do it immediately.
00:49:10.100 It wasn't us.
00:49:11.160 Oh, that's kind of weird.
00:49:13.020 That's kind of weird that you're just jumping up and saying that it wasn't you.
00:49:16.240 Amber Lee Fraz writes,
00:49:18.000 let's not forget that he would be the one to pick up his bloodstained microphone.
00:49:21.760 That is right.
00:49:22.180 Ben did say that right after Charlie died.
00:49:24.440 And even that, it was just for me,
00:49:26.740 knowing what was between them,
00:49:29.360 it was just a lot for me to process.
00:49:31.220 I was going through so many emotions that week.
00:49:32.880 I was so angry.
00:49:34.160 He was initial in the reaction to Charlie's death.
00:49:36.300 It is obvious that he has an agenda.
00:49:38.960 Look, everyone in politics has an agenda of some description.
00:49:42.560 I'm not clear on what Ben's is,
00:49:44.780 but I sense a tremendous insecurity
00:49:47.120 because it is not a good step to lie like that.
00:49:51.520 Okay?
00:49:51.820 And he knew I didn't say it.
00:49:53.100 There's not a chance that he thought that I said,
00:49:55.220 Seth Dillon murdered Charlie Kirk
00:49:56.660 or Erica Kirk murdered Charlie Kirk.
00:49:59.560 So he's showing his fear.
00:50:02.040 And also, like I said,
00:50:02.940 I think he wanted to bully,
00:50:05.060 effectively bully Megyn Kelly into a position. 1.00
00:50:07.520 And she's trying to come up for air.
00:50:09.160 And she's like, wow, people are cheering this on.
00:50:10.720 Maybe Candace really did say this.
00:50:12.340 Maybe she did accuse Erica. 0.99
00:50:14.040 That would be horrible.
00:50:15.480 And good for her for not taking the bait
00:50:16.920 and changing the subject instead
00:50:17.980 because she wasn't certain that I had said it.
00:50:20.240 Melissa writes,
00:50:20.900 Candace, as a black woman, 0.67
00:50:21.880 you handled that interview perfectly.
00:50:23.320 If anybody was embarrassing,
00:50:24.680 it was her.
00:50:25.560 Who, by the way,
00:50:26.380 appeared to be on drugs.
00:50:27.300 Like something was off.
00:50:28.600 It was given, you know,
00:50:30.240 wine drunk mom. 0.97
00:50:32.980 Do you guys,
00:50:34.680 did you used to watch Hey Arnold,
00:50:35.880 like Helga Pataki's mom?
00:50:38.020 Yeah.
00:50:39.080 For those of you who,
00:50:39.880 it's a very specific reference.
00:50:42.080 But if you got it, you got it.
00:50:43.540 It was giving Helga Pataki's mom.
00:50:46.920 We watched such serious cartoons
00:50:49.000 when we were growing up.
00:50:50.100 Tom Simpson writes,
00:50:50.940 Are we sure Fuentes being pushed
00:50:54.300 isn't as an op
00:50:55.060 to smear the anti-Israel dissident
00:50:56.840 right by association?
00:50:58.360 I don't think he's in on it,
00:50:59.220 but persona non grata for years
00:51:00.700 and then on like five major pods
00:51:01.960 in the same month.
00:51:02.960 Look, I,
00:51:03.440 when I invited him on my podcast,
00:51:04.840 genuinely,
00:51:05.180 I just wanted to have a conversation
00:51:06.260 so I can tell you
00:51:06.940 because I'm not an op.
00:51:07.620 But the sense that I got
00:51:08.400 with how he reacted and lied
00:51:09.740 about how we treated him
00:51:10.920 is the first thing
00:51:11.540 that made me think he was an op 0.77
00:51:12.540 because I was like,
00:51:13.240 that's so weird.
00:51:14.100 We were so nice to you.
00:51:15.020 We spoke about,
00:51:15.740 we spoke to you behind the scenes.
00:51:17.080 We planned the interview,
00:51:18.420 what we were going to name the interview.
00:51:19.640 And he was very theatrical.
00:51:21.780 So I don't trust it.
00:51:22.980 I've been very clear.
00:51:23.820 I don't trust the Fuentes thing,
00:51:25.620 but other people can.
00:51:27.640 That's on them, you know?
00:51:29.700 Explorer 253 writes,
00:51:31.240 Ben sounds like an immature teenage girl
00:51:33.000 upset that she can't control her friends
00:51:35.040 or the people around her.
00:51:36.600 How embarrassing.
00:51:37.960 Yeah, and I just don't think
00:51:39.100 it's going to work.
00:51:39.740 I think Megyn Kelly
00:51:40.660 is going to hold the line
00:51:41.780 because she did right there
00:51:43.180 under pressure.
00:51:44.120 I just want her to know
00:51:45.240 that it is not organic.
00:51:46.280 That is so important.
00:51:46.960 So for those of you
00:51:48.380 that are watching
00:51:49.940 both of our shows,
00:51:50.740 just make sure you tell her that.
00:51:54.200 Zamet writes,
00:51:55.140 truth is harmonic.
00:51:56.540 Lies are shrill.
00:51:57.580 That's exactly correct.
00:51:59.480 Plant Babies and More writes,
00:52:00.500 you're amazing, Candice.
00:52:01.240 You owned that interview.
00:52:02.680 Thank you so much.
00:52:03.480 I appreciate that.
00:52:04.480 Amber Lee Frazz writes,
00:52:06.080 they made is a giant error
00:52:08.660 in stopping Charlie Kirk.
00:52:10.820 Oh, they made a giant error.
00:52:12.600 I think you had a typo here.
00:52:13.600 They made a giant error
00:52:14.520 in stopping Charlie Kirk.
00:52:15.860 Now the people are Charlie.
00:52:17.220 Bless you, Candice.
00:52:18.100 We're continuing the fight.
00:52:19.540 Who is they?
00:52:20.760 Who is they, Amber? 0.98
00:52:22.600 When you say they,
00:52:23.460 did you know?
00:52:24.200 Did you know about that manual
00:52:25.700 that was published in 1897?
00:52:27.760 When you say they,
00:52:28.740 it's a long-running
00:52:29.940 anti-Semitic word,
00:52:31.100 that word they.
00:52:31.680 So please be very clear
00:52:33.000 if you plan on using it
00:52:34.340 this weekend.
00:52:35.080 If anybody out there
00:52:36.080 is going to say they,
00:52:38.120 please be very clear
00:52:39.320 on what you mean
00:52:40.060 when you say the they.
00:52:41.700 Okay?
00:52:42.580 Because her feelings
00:52:43.900 are hard, really.
00:52:46.200 She studied it
00:52:47.200 and she knows,
00:52:48.400 she knows people.
00:52:49.460 That's kind of the whole vibe
00:52:50.440 she was giving
00:52:50.880 was like mom drunk.
00:52:52.420 Okay.
00:52:54.000 Lastly,
00:52:54.720 Jonathan writes,
00:52:55.600 compared the Islamic rules
00:52:56.920 of engagement
00:52:57.400 with the Geneva Convention.
00:52:58.620 Also, Ben says,
00:52:59.320 Republicans should work together
00:53:00.980 against Momdani.
00:53:02.060 Yet,
00:53:02.400 the DW was all about
00:53:03.820 sabotaging
00:53:04.840 all the other
00:53:05.920 conservative media.
00:53:07.560 Like I said,
00:53:08.080 in general,
00:53:08.740 everything he was saying there
00:53:10.140 felt to me 0.95
00:53:10.960 to be very hypocritical.
00:53:12.860 And I hope that I have done 0.58
00:53:13.820 a very good job
00:53:14.680 demonstrating 0.88
00:53:15.240 just how hypocritical it is 0.98
00:53:16.920 and how they pivot 0.96
00:53:17.900 their perspectives.
00:53:19.040 You've got to support,
00:53:20.120 you know,
00:53:20.740 maybe Netanyahu 0.65
00:53:21.500 who's murderous.
00:53:23.280 But,
00:53:23.720 oh my gosh,
00:53:24.620 I can't believe
00:53:25.220 you would speak
00:53:26.280 to Nick Fuentes.
00:53:27.760 We can speak
00:53:28.920 to Nick Fuentes,
00:53:29.680 but you can't speak
00:53:30.460 to Nick Fuentes
00:53:31.040 unless we say
00:53:32.000 you can speak to Nick Fuentes.
00:53:32.980 None of it makes any sense.
00:53:34.800 And,
00:53:35.340 genuinely,
00:53:35.980 it's just because
00:53:36.720 their pro-resrial lobby 0.99
00:53:38.060 is on its way out.
00:53:39.200 People don't like him anymore.
00:53:40.480 Because of these tactics.
00:53:41.860 Because they're not sincere
00:53:43.240 in wanting to debate.
00:53:44.700 And then,
00:53:45.020 even when they do debate,
00:53:45.840 they then do what they did
00:53:46.400 to Charlie Kirk.
00:53:47.240 And afterwards,
00:53:48.140 gets so angry
00:53:48.680 that they lost the debate
00:53:49.460 that they try to squeeze him
00:53:50.420 and tell him he can never
00:53:51.200 host this person ever again
00:53:52.340 because they lost.
00:53:53.360 It's the behind-the-scenes
00:53:54.620 actions that they take
00:53:55.900 and how they treat people.
00:53:57.340 And I mean,
00:53:57.760 what a terrible guest for Megan. 1.00
00:53:59.640 She's inviting you
00:54:00.380 on her platform
00:54:00.920 and you know
00:54:01.800 you've planned this session.
00:54:03.280 You know you planned to press her.
00:54:04.820 And you know you probably planned
00:54:06.120 to have people
00:54:07.200 pass around that clip
00:54:08.220 to try to embarrass her.
00:54:09.900 That's not going to bode well
00:54:11.660 in the future
00:54:12.140 if you're really looking forward
00:54:13.280 to having her
00:54:14.260 as an ally long-term.
00:54:15.800 That's my advice.
00:54:16.680 Free to take it.
00:54:17.320 Also free to come onto my platform.
00:54:19.500 The number one podcast
00:54:21.160 in the world right now.
00:54:22.620 Benny.
00:54:23.200 So what's up?
00:54:23.700 You want to come?
00:54:24.360 You can come.
00:54:24.860 We can have a conversation.
00:54:27.200 You know,
00:54:27.600 I always believe
00:54:28.760 in more conversation
00:54:29.440 and genuinely I'm not angry
00:54:30.840 because how could I be angry?
00:54:32.420 Success really is
00:54:33.520 the best revenge.
00:54:34.500 We'll see you guys on Monday.
00:54:35.480 We'll see you guys on Monday.