Candace Owens - DEAD OR ALIVE： Who Betrayed Charlie Kirk？｜ Ep 245

00:00:00.000 I just want to say that I feel like at the beginning of this investigation, I was very clear. I said there will be no fakeness and there will be no gayness in this investigation. And apparently there were some people who did not take me seriously or literally because there are a lot of little lies being told. 0.78

00:00:17.800 Right. Charlie gets assassinated and the very people who were threatening him reputationally and financially are now trying to memorialize him as having died as a friend of Israel.

00:00:33.380 OK, challenge accepted. All lies will be revealed and we're going to help reveal those lies.

00:00:38.220 Also, yesterday we asked for the public's help in identifying two individuals who Phil Lyman's nephew described as his close friends who decided to retrace the path of Charlie's killer.

00:00:53.340 And what we have discovered thus far is absolutely stunning. This story couldn't get any crazier.

00:00:59.760 By the way, I did speak to Phil Lyman and I'll tell you what he told me and what he insisted that we clarify.

00:01:05.420 Now, I would say that it's getting weird, but honestly, right from the jump, it's been weird.

00:01:10.800 So welcome back to Candace. 0.70

00:01:23.300 It took him a little over two weeks, but now Bibi Netanyahu, with maybe a little help from Turning Point USA, I'm thinking,

00:01:33.660 is releasing the letter, the May love letter from Charlie Kirk to Israel, just out of nowhere.

00:01:39.580 He was just overcome with love for Israel. And he decided to write this love letter to the prime minister about how they could fight harder,

00:01:49.320 how they commit themselves further to the Israeli cause.

00:01:53.220 We're going to get to that and we're just going to slaughter that narrative that Charlie died pro-Israel.

00:01:58.600 But first, I want to jump right back into what we uncovered yesterday to keep you guys focused.

00:02:04.440 I presented to you guys, in short, that the gubernatorial candidate, Phil Lyman, was a bit, in my opinion, too involved in the investigation of who assassinated Charlie Kirk.

00:02:17.040 Just he was saying and doing a little too much. And his energy was weird and the energy of Tiffany Barker was weird.

00:02:24.500 And we were clear that's potentially just because, you know, he's a politician or an aspiring politician.

00:02:30.760 Maybe he wants to assert himself as a leader in Utah. This assassination has taken place.

00:02:35.740 But I also felt like maybe he potentially knew a bit more than he was letting on.

00:02:42.380 Now, the Lyman family, in general, was everywhere all over this investigation.

00:02:47.900 We introduced and I said his name was Shane. I'd like to correct that record.

00:02:51.760 His nephew, Shaner Broderick, who rather notoriously retraced the footpath of the killer with his two close friends.

00:03:00.520 They were like, here, here it is. The converse footprint is right here.

00:03:04.340 They even created a map. OK, Shaner even created a map of where exactly the killer walked and the media used his map.

00:03:14.600 And of course, the Lyman's car was in the driveway just 20 minutes before I feel I'm in reiterated to Fox News.

00:03:23.780 It was just 20 minutes before I pulled into the driveway at my aunt's house and I parked my car.

00:03:28.540 And then 20 minutes later, the killer. Killer was limping by.

00:03:32.440 Now, I'll let you guys know that when our episode finished yesterday, I had a message or two from Phil Lyman,

00:03:38.660 despite the fact that I had reached out to him hours before we began our show.

00:03:43.140 And he was understandably upset.

00:03:46.060 He, at first, was sort of focusing his energy toward Nick, the person that I told you worked on his campaign

00:03:54.580 and just wanted to help out in the investigation.

00:03:56.440 Now, Phil would like me to clarify that Nick never worked on his campaign.

00:04:01.060 And by the way, I looked back and that was actually my mistake, not Nick's.

00:04:04.360 I thought that when Nick had first introduced Lyman to me over the phone that he said,

00:04:10.780 oh, like I am, you know, I'm working on his campaign.

00:04:14.360 And apparently that was not accurate.

00:04:16.220 So I take full credit for that.

00:04:17.840 That was completely, again, something that I came up with by accident.

00:04:22.300 Now, the other things that he was interested in me clarifying were also not really substantive issues.

00:04:31.820 And I want to say that Nick, having not worked on his campaign,

00:04:36.040 actually makes it even more odd that he would stop by his house this past Saturday.

00:04:42.140 Well, regarding why, by the way, he stopped by Nick's house at all on Saturday,

00:04:46.380 he said that it was because he was helping Nick out early on in the investigation.

00:04:51.940 Yes, that is true.

00:04:52.680 I told you guys that.

00:04:53.880 And Nick was particularly asking him to determine who owned a white vehicle

00:04:59.380 that was parked in the neighborhood, which was nearby where the shooter had walked.

00:05:04.980 Nick lives nearby.

00:05:06.340 And everyone locally had had looked at this vehicle and said that it was remarkably suspicious.

00:05:10.860 And Phil had come back to him and said, I can help you figure out more about this vehicle that was parked.

00:05:17.740 Nick had nothing but a picture of that.

00:05:19.860 But that was over two weeks ago.

00:05:21.800 So I have no idea why that would have anything to do with why he was stopping by Nick's place.

00:05:27.700 Obviously, that car is long gone.

00:05:29.560 It's been gone.

00:05:30.320 And the fact that it appeared and then disappeared is one of the reasons why Nick wanted somebody to look into it.

00:05:34.820 So I'm not entirely clear why he needed to stop at Nick's house to speak to him and why that would be on his list of things to do.

00:05:45.420 Now, I am told, according to a very strong source, that what Phil Lyman was doing in town on Saturday was he was meeting with Tim Ballard.

00:05:55.960 That's totally random.

00:05:57.640 Did not expect to hear that.

00:05:58.840 Tim Ballard, if you are not familiar with him, is formerly of Operation Underground Railroad,

00:06:03.100 which is a charity that is dedicated to helping to stop human sex trafficking.

00:06:09.320 I even remember, by the way, when we were all speaking about that plane transponder that turned off,

00:06:15.940 that the individuals that owned that plane were wearing an Operation Underground Railroad T-shirt.

00:06:21.740 So I wasn't expecting that.

00:06:23.020 I am going to reach out to Tim Ballard.

00:06:24.680 I know him.

00:06:25.340 I've actually interviewed him.

00:06:26.580 And I used to donate to that charity because I was so moved by my interview with him when I was working for Prager University.

00:06:33.960 But moving on from that, Phil also disputes something that was quite strange, that Shaner Broderick is his nephew.

00:06:40.520 I said, OK, wait a minute.

00:06:42.000 Actually, Shaner Broderick literally posted that on his Instagram.

00:06:45.500 He said, my uncle, Phil Lyman.

00:06:47.640 But Phil seems like he's trying to distance himself for some reason from Shaner.

00:06:52.700 He said, actually, maybe Shaner's confused.

00:06:55.080 We're just cousins.

00:06:56.340 We're just we're just cousins.

00:06:57.320 OK, well, Shaner must have been very confused because it was also posted on his LinkedIn as a connection that Phil Lyman was his uncle.

00:07:06.480 It's probably part of the reason, politically speaking, that he was chosen for an internship with Senator Mike Lee of Utah.

00:07:15.180 I feel like that was a little bit of political maneuvering.

00:07:18.080 So I'm not clear why that he's suddenly saying that it's not his nephew.

00:07:23.440 Anyway, it's not up to me.

00:07:24.480 I'm not here to get into the middle of a family feud.

00:07:26.220 But something interesting happened since our episode, Shaner completely wiped his LinkedIn page.

00:07:33.480 Doesn't want to know, doesn't want to know who he's connected to.

00:07:35.960 He's also completely wiped his Facebook page entirely.

00:07:39.860 And regarding his Instagram, he's privatized it, but he privatized it and then removed all of the photos of his investigation into who Charlie Kirk's killer was.

00:07:52.860 Now, that's not that doesn't make any sense to me.

00:07:54.400 I don't understand that.

00:07:55.120 I can't make sense of why you would just move to delete everything when I've reached out to you, as opposed to speaking to me about where you were, why you shot this video and maybe sending me that video in general.

00:08:06.220 But again, that is now a dead end.

00:08:08.440 Now, I asked Phil Lyman three times via text whether or not he could help us, more importantly, identify the two individuals that were in the photo with his nephew or cousin, if you will.

00:08:22.220 And he was kind of pretending to be confused about what photo in particular I was referring to, despite the fact that I sent it multiple times in the text chain.

00:08:30.500 And then finally, he said that he had no idea who those two individuals were at all.

00:08:34.880 I thought that's interesting.

00:08:36.660 This is allegedly your nephew, cousin.

00:08:39.060 You guys are all chilling on this block around the same time.

00:08:42.680 He's with these two individuals.

00:08:44.680 You've never heard of them.

00:08:45.560 You've never seen them.

00:08:46.260 Nothing.

00:08:46.500 Because I got to identify that guy in the blue hat.

00:08:50.760 Many of you figured out, by the way, and wrote to the tips box exactly what we were interested about in that person with the blue hat.

00:08:58.220 You noticed the same thing that we noticed.

00:08:59.980 He kind of resembles, certainly more so than Tyler Robinson does, the blurred image of the individual that was coming up the stairs.

00:09:09.360 I couldn't look away from that.

00:09:10.780 I was going through the photos and I was going, hmm, I would just like to quickly identify that individual and check him off and just know where he was.

00:09:18.480 Because, yeah, it looks to be about the same height.

00:09:22.000 It's weird.

00:09:23.900 Oddly, this is, when I say oddly, I mean this has never happened in the history of all of our investigations.

00:09:29.180 No one emailed us to say that they knew either of those two individuals.

00:09:35.700 Neither the blonde that's with Shainer or the person that is wearing the blue hat that is with Shainer.

00:09:41.460 I said, that's weird.

00:09:43.600 Nobody in the whole wide Candace Owens universe of investigation.

00:09:48.620 It was making me believe maybe those two individuals are, like, I don't know, from overseas.

00:09:57.220 Like, maybe they're not even American. 0.87

00:10:00.340 And it turns out, yeah, we were able to identify one of those individuals in the photo and he is Austrian.

00:10:08.660 It's no wonder nobody recognized him.

00:10:09.900 I mean, what?

00:10:10.580 Austrian?

00:10:11.100 What's this Austrian guy doing? 1.00

00:10:12.340 How did we get here?

00:10:13.160 Anyways, his name is Gernot Omer, and we were able to find that his face matched with photos from a blog post that was written in German

00:10:23.820 that was basically entitled Anniversary Hike, 10 Years on Foot to the Sea.

00:10:30.760 The blog is about a group of 30-year-olds who are recreating a hike that they took together when they were 20.

00:10:36.660 Now, I don't even know if I'm saying his name right, Gernot, Gernot.

00:10:39.120 I guess it is a common name in Austria.

00:10:44.180 And there are a few photos of him that were available.

00:10:49.280 We were able to find his face also matched up in a YouTube video for a company called Bearing Point,

00:10:57.400 where he is seen with a group of people and is introduced as one of their software development teams,

00:11:04.160 a member of one of their software development teams.

00:11:06.220 So let's take a listen to that clip from YouTube.

00:11:09.120 This is the Bearing Point office in Graz.

00:11:12.500 This is where Bearing Point's key technology competencies are concentrated.

00:11:17.000 This is one of our software development teams.

00:11:19.620 Some people are managers and some are not.

00:11:21.920 It doesn't matter.

00:11:22.920 It's all one team.

00:11:24.120 Very recently, he moved to Utah, according to his LinkedIn, which I hope doesn't get wiped.

00:11:32.900 I'd love to get in touch with him.

00:11:33.900 In May of 2024, he moved to Utah to become a software engineer for J.P. Morgan and Chase.

00:11:42.560 And I guess the story goes that he became best friends with Shainer Broderick.

00:11:48.700 I don't know.

00:11:50.820 We'll find out.

00:11:52.320 Now, what about the other guy?

00:11:53.620 Right.

00:11:53.820 So yesterday, we were kind of poking fun at the narrative that Phil Lyman seemed to be trying to spin,

00:12:00.920 suggesting that, quote, unquote, Gothic girls might have been suspicious, 0.90

00:12:06.200 that they maybe could have been responsible or aware, at least, that the shooting was going to occur.

00:12:11.800 That was a part of his story.

00:12:12.760 He saw these Gothic girls, and they seemed unfazed in all of the chaos, you know? 0.99

00:12:18.220 And I thought that was an interesting way to describe someone as Gothic.

00:12:23.880 Gratefully, Phil Lyman did send us footage of him after the shots rang out.

00:12:29.360 And I am saying shots, plural, for a reason, because we will show you that video.

00:12:34.360 But first, I want to recap what specifically Phil said publicly about where he was when the shots rang out,

00:12:41.940 because I vaguely remembered him painting a picture that he was outside.

00:12:45.880 That certainly seems to be what he told both Alex Jones and News Nation,

00:12:50.980 that he was outside when the shot rang out.

00:12:53.400 Let's take a listen to what he said on Alex Jones.

00:12:55.800 Just yesterday, someone comes in and says, yeah, we've got video.

00:13:00.340 He came off the roof.

00:13:01.060 He came up here to the parking lot, got in the car with an individual, and they drove away.

00:13:07.320 Well, that's not the story that came, that he escaped another route.

00:13:10.660 And there are people who are coordinating this thing.

00:13:13.400 I do not believe that that .30-06 that they showed recovered in the bushes was ever on the roof.

00:13:21.100 I think it was in the bushes to start with.

00:13:23.260 And now, I'm not saying that Tyler Robinson wasn't on the roof.

00:13:26.140 I'm not saying he didn't pull a trigger.

00:13:28.160 I was in very, very close proximity.

00:13:30.320 So, another interesting thing, like I say, I left the front of the stage.

00:13:33.680 I wanted to meet some of my friends and bring him down front.

00:13:36.040 So, I was clear at the east end, and I heard this loud boom.

00:13:38.580 I heard this loud bang.

00:13:39.860 And I turned around, and I'm looking, like, what was that?

00:13:41.840 What was that?

00:13:42.940 And pretty soon, some people started running.

00:13:46.100 Everyone was trying to process.

00:13:48.060 And I thought, this is a gunshot, and there's going to be more of them.

00:13:50.660 I thought it could turn into a mass shooting.

00:13:52.280 So, I go to the people closest to me.

00:13:55.100 Everyone's ducking down behind the concrete retaining walls.

00:13:58.640 And some of them were still kind of oblivious.

00:14:00.640 But there were two people that were standing there, two girls, very goth, very black, you know. 0.92

00:14:07.040 And I just walked, and I stepped up to the side of them, and I said, did that not happen right here?

00:14:11.400 Did you hear that?

00:14:12.260 Was that right here?

00:14:12.880 And they said, yeah, it was just right over there.

00:14:14.520 So, they were confirming, yeah, the shooter or wherever that sound came from is right here.

00:14:18.980 The thing that didn't really dawn on me is that they were not running.

00:14:21.660 They were not frightened.

00:14:22.680 In fact, as I stepped up, I heard one of the girls, and they were talking to each other. 0.98

00:14:27.660 And they're looking at these kids, looking at the scene down below them of all these people fleeing for their lives.

00:14:31.800 And she says, go F yourselves.

00:14:34.780 And, like I said, I was not processing that.

00:14:38.080 I was trying to figure out what was going on.

00:14:39.320 I thought, this is a separate conversation.

00:14:40.900 I don't know what it is.

00:14:42.180 In hindsight, as I've watched that over and over, it's like, these people were not afraid.

00:14:48.180 Okay, and on NewsNation, I want you to listen carefully because he at first says that he was about to walk into the building and the shot rang out.

00:14:56.140 But then he says he ran out of the building after the shot rang out.

00:14:59.580 So, let's take a listen to that.

00:15:01.300 I walked up top.

00:15:02.440 I had to go meet some people.

00:15:03.400 So, I said, so, I was down there.

00:15:05.180 When he started talking, I thought, I'm going to go up top and meet some of the people.

00:15:08.520 So, I got clear up on top, and I was just coming around the corner, walking into one of the buildings, and I heard a loud bang that I thought was right behind me.

00:15:15.580 And I turned around, looked at the girl that was there, and she was kind of looking stunned.

00:15:19.740 Like, what was that?

00:15:20.560 And I'm looking at her, and then I see a little bit of commotion.

00:15:22.920 I realized right then it's a gunshot.

00:15:24.480 So, I ran out.

00:15:26.560 The people running in the building, I ran out to see who it was.

00:15:31.080 I'm thinking, this is a lot of kids out here.

00:15:33.300 And then, you know, a few minutes later, then the police were running, saying, did anybody see?

00:15:38.840 Did anybody see?

00:15:39.800 I think it was on the roof above me.

00:15:41.560 I really, it's the only thing I could figure, because it's like, he has to, it had to have been very, very close to where I'm standing.

00:15:49.280 And in hindsight, I think it was probably above me on the roof.

00:15:52.560 Okay, so a couple of those statements are what I would describe as little lies.

00:15:58.400 Well, they're just not true.

00:15:59.940 Because at 1223, according to his metadata, because he sent it to me, Bill Lyman was inside of the building.

00:16:05.940 And he must have then immediately, according to our timeline, hit record.

00:16:10.860 And he didn't run.

00:16:11.880 He calmly walked out of Sorensen Building.

00:16:15.140 I hope I'm saying that right, the Sorensen Building.

00:16:16.620 And he wasn't the only one that was walking calmly.

00:16:19.180 And I'm not, by the way, none of these people are suspicious to me walking calmly because they're inside the building, not really sure what they heard, perhaps.

00:16:26.380 And they're all kind of walking calmly out.

00:16:29.280 And I'm going to show you that footage.

00:16:31.440 And to be clear, you're going to see two girls that are simply wearing black by no stretch of an imagination. 0.99

00:16:38.060 Would I refer to these girls as gothic?

00:16:40.940 Actually, I think one of them is actually a guy.

00:16:42.940 But they're wearing black, not dark makeup.

00:16:45.560 There's just black. 1.00

00:16:47.500 And he asks them, what I can hear audibly, is he asks them, what was that?

00:16:52.000 So I don't know how certain he was.

00:16:53.580 It could have been a shooting.

00:16:55.140 But I'm going to let you watch it first.

00:16:57.400 And then we're going to try to clean up the audio.

00:16:59.200 Now, if you're listening to this on a podcast and you're not being able to watch this, you might want to turn this down because it is visual.

00:17:06.060 Take a look.

00:17:06.440 You can just sort of see everyone up top.

00:17:21.660 A couple of people were actually out there are ducking.

00:17:25.160 He was on the inside.

00:17:26.660 Like I said, this was at 1223.

00:17:27.860 So he was inside, walked out, and then he's going to start a conversation with two people that are just wearing black.

00:17:34.880 And then you see he continues.

00:17:45.800 If he goes on for like three minutes, he just he just sort of walks down and he engages in a conversation with those two girls.

00:17:50.340 And they answer him, doesn't there's nothing here that seems to me to be controversial when he hears them say something about F.U.

00:17:57.980 It's before he has a conversation with him.

00:17:59.660 It does happen.

00:18:00.940 Take a listen.

00:18:06.400 Trying to isolate this audio for you guys.

00:18:09.620 Those are the two girls talking about. 0.99

00:18:14.260 Actually, I think one's a guy.

00:18:20.340 So he says, did you see where that came from?

00:18:33.800 It seems like a normal conversation, kind of weird for me.

00:18:36.460 And there's a reason why I'm saying that to hone in on these two individuals and to say like Gothic and to pretend that they were doing something that looked abnormal,

00:18:43.640 given the fact that in the longer video, everyone up top is quite calm because I don't think they're really entirely sure what is happening.

00:18:51.980 And some of them are ducking because maybe they saw it because they were outside.

00:18:55.440 So I wanted to get to the bottom, as I said earlier, of who that second person was in the photo with his nephew, cousin, whatever you want to call him.

00:19:04.500 And we got just one hit.

00:19:06.740 And it was honestly, it was from Belfast, North Ireland, no less.

00:19:11.740 Somebody sent us an email and he said, look, I conducted an interview, an Internet wide search of the person's face.

00:19:19.040 And I only got one hit using technology.

00:19:22.560 And the hit was in Provo, Utah.

00:19:25.020 And he wrote to me that it was quite a coincidence because not only is a person in Provo for this one hit for this face, but also he's featured on a website pertaining to bees.

00:19:36.940 And he's like, didn't you just do a thing saying that you had this weird thing about bees and you thought there, you know, there was something else going on.

00:19:43.120 And my goodness, you guys, I almost jumped when I learned that that website he was referring to, Buzzard and Bees, is a gothic underground in Provo.

00:19:53.260 OK, so this is this is the website.

00:19:55.840 It's a gothic underground of all things in Provo, the website, Buzzard and Bees.

00:20:00.480 And they're speaking about a gothic prom.

00:20:02.980 That is where that person's face comes up, except he's wearing makeup to make him, well, look a little more gothic.

00:20:10.500 Take a look at this.

00:20:11.620 I'm going to show you the side by side of this individual.

00:20:14.520 And I am certain can't say 100 percent, OK, because we need to find this person's name.

00:20:22.100 But this is a match, OK, the ears, the chin, just everything about this individual is a match.

00:20:29.600 But he is as of yet identified as a gothic person, and he is also as of yet unidentified as the close friend of Shana Broderick, who cannot be found anywhere else or people are not familiar with this person.

00:20:45.480 So I'm thinking maybe he also came from overseas.

00:20:50.560 Now, quickly regarding our question pertaining to Mike Mitchell, right?

00:20:55.000 I was saying that it was pretty odd and obvious that they were trying to protect this detective, Mike Mitchell.

00:21:02.560 We also learned that he's a Boy Scout leader in the LDS church.

00:21:07.100 But usually, if you have a long tenure as a police officer, you're just featured in a lot of articles.

00:21:13.300 And then we received some leads that I think have helped to clarify exactly what sort of a detective he was and maybe why he was not featured in a lot of articles,

00:21:24.440 because he was, as it appears to be, a undercover detective.

00:21:30.320 By all accounts, he was an online detective.

00:21:33.940 Apparently, if this is the correct Mike Mitchell and given the timeline of when he becomes an undercover detective,

00:21:40.120 I have a strong hunch that it is the right the right individual because he says, you know, he was on the force for 25 years.

00:21:46.120 This individual began his career in 1999.

00:21:49.700 His job, Detective Mike Mitchell, was to create messages online to entrap pedophiles.

00:21:58.460 OK, by pretending that he was underage.

00:22:00.860 You guys know you've heard about these sorts of stings.

00:22:02.980 You pretend that you're underage as an officer and see people that try to hook up with you.

00:22:06.700 And then you make an arrest.

00:22:09.220 And so we can take a look at this article from November of 1999.

00:22:12.400 It says police surf Internet to snag pedophiles.

00:22:16.320 And it tells us Mike Mitchell sits at a desk tapping on a computer keyboard and becomes a boy.

00:22:22.220 He's chatting with someone now.

00:22:23.780 His words are full of typos and misspellings and childlike phrases.

00:22:28.080 Mike Mitchell is not a boy.

00:22:29.400 He is a police detective hunting for a pedophile.

00:22:32.020 But the hunted doesn't know that.

00:22:34.040 Mike Mitchell, a detective with the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office, has been investigating child sex crimes on the Internet for about a year.

00:22:42.060 I don't think people realize how big it is, he tells them.

00:22:45.440 OK, so that's interesting to me.

00:22:48.200 OK, and we can't then go, OK, let's make a jump here.

00:22:51.380 Just because he's creating messages online, first and foremost, doesn't necessarily mean that he's the person that authored the fake fed messages.

00:22:57.440 And I'm implying that. But I do actually thought it was quite interesting because when we covered George Zinn, who was the decoy boy that day, who then we find out is into pedophilia.

00:23:10.720 Right. And he gets arrested because he has children being sexual abuse on his phone.

00:23:16.900 Absolutely despicable person. 0.89

00:23:18.820 It really made us wonder.

00:23:20.680 Again, I said this on a previous episode, whether or not he had been blackmailed in some capacity to play the decoy boy and to give the shooter time to get away.

00:23:31.160 OK, I just find that to be interesting.

00:23:34.920 A lot of stuff happening right now, guys, and we are definitively getting closer to what took place on that day.

00:23:40.940 And we have a lot of leads that are coming in.

00:23:44.160 And I want to say that I want to refocus your attention and now open this up internationally because I have a hunch on who that goth kid is.

00:23:54.380 OK, somebody attended this goth prom in Provo, Utah.

00:23:58.480 Somebody overseas perhaps recognizes that person.

00:24:02.020 Like I said, I would venture a guess that he is not from Utah because I've never seen no hits come in.

00:24:08.360 Somebody saying I went to high school with him.

00:24:10.740 And yeah, that's what I want you to focus your attention on.

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00:27:29.260 Okay, guys, so let's get into this.

00:27:32.860 I mean, the attacks have not stopped.

00:27:35.140 The attacks that are coming at me are good, though, because I am just feeling more and more energized by them.

00:27:40.900 I understand exactly what is going on, the people fighting for Charlie Kirk's legacy.

00:27:46.740 I got to say this.

00:27:47.460 You know what?

00:27:47.820 I am starting to think, and let me know if you think this is crazy, but I'm starting to think that the assassination of Charlie Kirk was something akin to a regicide, right?

00:27:59.800 The assassination of a king to install a new ruler who the king would have never approved of, right?

00:28:07.020 Maybe people around him counseling the king, people who perhaps betrayed him, because there are just too many things that I am finding out that are not adding up to me, okay?

00:28:18.600 There are also, I do want to say this, too many first times leading up to this event, okay?

00:28:24.780 One person who emailed me said, hey, I've been supplying bulletproof vests to Charlie for all of these campus tours, and suddenly, last semester, last spring, the last campus tour, they canceled.

00:28:39.400 They canceled my contract with them.

00:28:40.840 They did not want to renew.

00:28:42.240 When I asked them why, they told me that Charlie wanted to go a different direction by getting an army vest instead, like a metal army vest, I believe is what he says.

00:28:52.320 And he said, this made no sense to me to understand it.

00:28:55.620 Okay, so Charlie decided to use a new company, even though I don't think he was actually wearing a bullet vest on that day.

00:29:04.380 So what happened there, I'm not sure.

00:29:07.360 Something else that is really bothering me, just because I have done these campus tours, is the question of why Charlie was set to do two events in Utah, a mere 20 days apart, okay?

00:29:21.680 He was supposed to do UVU, and then today was scheduled to do, just 20 days later, USU.

00:29:28.980 Now, those two campuses are just under two hours apart if you're driving.

00:29:34.980 Why on earth would he schedule these events apart?

00:29:38.060 It's not how Turning Point USA normally decides on their events.

00:29:41.360 If you're going to do two stops in one state, they make it happen back to back because it doesn't make sense from a fuel perspective, from a traveling perspective, for you to go in and out of one state.

00:29:52.440 Plus, they only have a limited number of events, right?

00:29:54.820 So they want to make sure they can go all over the United States and see as many students as possible during every tour.

00:30:01.420 This is how it works.

00:30:02.320 I know how it works because I came from Turning Point USA, okay?

00:30:05.200 I have toured with them every year, with the exception of this year, since I started working for Charlie.

00:30:11.140 So that just struck me as very odd, okay?

00:30:15.700 We've also received, or maybe I should say, maybe not odd, just something new, maybe?

00:30:20.720 We've also received a lot of tips that the hospital that Charlie was taken to is not the closest hospital, and it also would not have been the number one choice hospital for someone that was suffering from that sort of a wound, like it was a trauma three center.

00:30:38.200 He was taken to a smaller regional hospital that was a little farther away and was further away and was also less equipped for the trauma that he suffered, that he was taken to Timpanogos Regional Hospital.

00:30:52.500 And also something new is that that hospital had just announced that they had a brand new CEO and head surgeon named Andrew Zenger.

00:31:01.200 A lot of new stuff happening, and to be clear, typically, the states dictate the protocol, and you're required to, after you have a certain number of attendees at an event, you are required to have an ambulance on standby.

00:31:15.200 And I don't know Utah state law, but I also found that weird, that there wouldn't have been an ambulance on standby.

00:31:21.580 Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but seemed atypical to me.

00:31:25.860 Now, in terms of other things that were new, they announced on that same day that Andrew Zenger was announced as a new CEO, that was also the day that they announced Charlie's tour.

00:31:36.060 They announced five dates, and two of them were in Utah, dispersed throughout the month.

00:31:40.960 And it is also interesting to know that the Utah FBI also got a brand new set of employees, the state FBI department.

00:31:53.260 Cash Patel went ahead and fired not only the chief of the Utah borough, but also some other people.

00:32:00.140 You can see this in the Daily Mail article.

00:32:01.360 They recount this after Charlie's death.

00:32:03.360 Cash Patel questions grow as it's revealed he gutted the Utah FBI leadership before Charlie Crook's assassination.

00:32:09.120 That is true.

00:32:10.520 He fired the chief, among other people, and replaced her with Robert Bowles in August.

00:32:17.000 I think Robert Bowles, actually, it was his first week when Charlie got shot, and he's somebody who has been in D.C. for decades.

00:32:25.320 So it seems to me to be an unusual placement to then want to re-up your entire life, assuming you have a wife and kids, and move to Utah.

00:32:32.020 But whatever.

00:32:32.880 Again, everything just feels a little too brand new to me.

00:32:37.060 Then I speak to the individual who I told you guys that I recognized and had taken down the cameras minute, what was it, minute four after Charlie was shot.

00:32:45.800 The back camera of all the ones when you take the front camera.

00:32:48.340 I don't know.

00:32:49.220 Again, I'm not here to read into how people might act in an emergency event.

00:32:54.560 But I thought it was weird that he was there in general, actually, that he was behind Charlie the entire time.

00:32:59.140 I've never seen that.

00:32:59.900 He's never been behind me at an event.

00:33:01.860 He's never been lingering around me at an event.

00:33:04.960 And I asked about that.

00:33:05.900 I asked about just his presence behind Charlie and plus the mysterious phone call that he was seen making in, like, minute three after Charlie was assassinated.

00:33:17.540 And he told me explicitly that they were trying something new that day.

00:33:22.520 Like, it was something new.

00:33:23.920 Charlie's super ambitious.

00:33:25.120 And on the AV thing, they were trying something new.

00:33:27.500 And they wanted to be able to feed it back instantly to Arizona.

00:33:32.520 Now, none of it makes sense to me because these events are typically live streamed.

00:33:36.780 But again, something new.

00:33:39.400 Okay.

00:33:40.540 So let's stick with that theme.

00:33:41.800 Do you want to know something else that was brand new leading up to this event?

00:33:46.020 Charlie's perspective on Israel.

00:33:47.880 Okay.

00:33:48.340 So let me say this so you can hear it.

00:33:51.300 Charlie Kirk's perspective on Israel was not starting to shift.

00:33:55.760 It had shifted entirely.

00:33:58.260 Okay.

00:33:58.620 There are no ifs and there are no ands and there are no buts about it.

00:34:02.360 Israel knew that.

00:34:04.400 Turning Point USA knew that because Charlie was explicit.

00:34:07.060 So my question is, why isn't Turning Point USA making any statements and shutting down this repeat attempt by Israel to lie and to pretend that towards the end, Charlie was just authoring love letters to Israel, giving them a perspective of here's how we can win the problem.

00:34:27.160 Here's what you guys need to do.

00:34:28.120 You need to work with this Hillel, whatever it is. 0.98

00:34:30.600 You have the same people that are calling me anti-Semitic.

00:34:32.220 You need to work with those people harder.

00:34:34.520 And he was just putting it on paper.

00:34:36.340 Was it an email?

00:34:37.760 What was that that they were sharing?

00:34:39.040 The New York Post, the Israeli Post, right?

00:34:41.060 What were they sharing there?

00:34:42.060 He wrote of his deep love for Israel.

00:34:44.120 Nothing else to do in May.

00:34:45.300 He wrote of his deep love for Israel.

00:34:47.860 It's a letter to Netanyahu.

00:34:49.380 Netanyahu said they were close, but in the letter, Charlie puts his number.

00:34:53.140 Apparently Netanyahu didn't have his number.

00:34:56.440 And we're supposed to believe.

00:34:58.620 Did he send that as an email, by the way?

00:35:00.120 Can somebody clarify?

00:35:00.740 Was that an email they were sharing?

00:35:02.780 Or did he send it in the mail to him?

00:35:05.360 Could somebody share that, please?

00:35:07.840 I'm assuming it was an email.

00:35:11.040 Can someone share the timestamp on that?

00:35:12.760 Just kind of like authenticate that email.

00:35:14.880 Because I'm very aware of what's going on, okay?

00:35:17.440 And I don't know how the executives over at Turning Point USA sleep at night, okay?

00:35:26.000 I don't know how you can present yourselves as a Christian organization and not be dedicating 0.97

00:35:32.540 yourself to the truth.

00:35:33.460 No matter what the cost is, you tell the truth.

00:35:34.740 That's it, okay?

00:35:35.780 You don't hide it.

00:35:37.540 You don't try to obfuscate it.

00:35:38.560 You don't try to say, well, wait until the memorial event before we start looking into

00:35:44.340 who murdered him.

00:35:45.240 You tell the truth and you tell it immediately.

00:35:47.220 And I don't think they're capable of doing that.

00:35:49.680 And I have an idea as to why that is.

00:35:51.200 I think the same people that were pressuring Charlie are pressuring them.

00:35:54.280 In fact, I know that for a fact.

00:35:55.840 So they might need my help, okay?

00:35:57.840 I'm going to state this and I'm going to challenge Turning Point USA executives to issue a very

00:36:03.500 clean statement saying that I am lying if this is not true.

00:36:07.660 About 48 hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people at Turning Point, as well as

00:36:12.620 Jewish donors and a rabbi, that he had no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause outright,

00:36:20.740 okay?

00:36:21.080 Charlie was done.

00:36:22.260 He said it explicitly, that he refused to be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors. 0.62

00:36:27.020 Can you guys answer?

00:36:28.400 Did he express that?

00:36:30.100 Did he also express that he wanted to bring me, Candace Owens, back because he was standing

00:36:35.400 up for himself?

00:36:36.220 And then did he just 48 hours later conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our onstage

00:36:43.440 reunion could happen?

00:36:45.520 It's a yes or a no, okay?

00:36:47.780 Let's stop this ditching.

00:36:48.840 Let's stop the dodging.

00:36:49.560 Let's like explicitly, I want to hear from Turning Point USA that I'm lying about that.

00:36:53.840 I want you to say no, no.

00:36:55.400 It was just, you know, he was feeling a little bit of pressure.

00:37:00.100 No, I want you to literally answer what I have just said.

00:37:04.780 It either happened or it didn't.

00:37:06.000 I'm either making it all up or it happened exactly as I'm saying.

00:37:09.900 And while we're at it, may I ask, what is the name of the Jewish donor who sponsored the

00:37:14.740 Hampton's weekend, okay?

00:37:16.140 And to Pastor Rob McCoy, were there any LLCs that you or your son were being paid through

00:37:26.860 that sat outside of Turning Point?

00:37:29.360 I'm asking that question genuinely.

00:37:32.880 Yeah, I'm putting the fire here right at the feet of Turning Point because I am disgusted.

00:37:39.040 I am genuinely disgusted.

00:37:42.380 I am looking around and wondering whether Charlie's entire life was the Truman Show.

00:37:46.120 None of you guys are behaving in the way that you should be behaving, okay?

00:37:49.360 There is no way you are letting these lies fly unless, as I am hearing,

00:37:54.840 unless it is true that there was a big, big, big payday that was on the line.

00:38:01.700 And if Charlie radically stated that he was done with Israel, if Charlie said he had no

00:38:06.960 choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause because of, and I quote, Jewish donors, the 0.88

00:38:13.480 behavior of Jewish donors, if he said that, yes or no, well then, I don't know, maybe some

00:38:20.920 people didn't want to take that risk that he was kind of what, become Candace Owens and

00:38:25.320 Tucker Carlson at Turning Point USA with all of those presences, so much presence across

00:38:33.540 college campuses.

00:38:35.220 Maybe they didn't want to take the chance.

00:38:37.980 You see, I'm just one person, so it's easy to just try to cancel my life and lie on me

00:38:41.300 every second of every day.

00:38:43.080 But Turning Point USA, I think, got a little bit bigger than Charlie, and I'm no longer

00:38:46.000 going to allow this lie and misnarrative, so answer the questions, yes or no.

00:38:50.200 And I'm going to, again, challenge you to lie, and if you do lie, I'm going to expose

00:38:56.480 the lies, and I'm going to start dropping videos, actually, so that's where I'm at.

00:39:00.940 Enough of the gains, enough with trying to allow Israel to wrangle a narrative that you 0.71

00:39:05.260 know is not true.

00:39:06.680 Charlie did not die pro-Israel, he did not die for Israel, he did not martyr himself

00:39:10.380 as a friend of Israel.

00:39:11.660 In fact, the friends of Israel were pressuring him really badly, and he was done, and he finally

00:39:17.040 stood up for himself, and I'm proud of that.

00:39:18.740 And I will say this, you know what, somewhere, Charlie is watching, okay, and I hope he knows

00:39:23.440 that we are reunited, okay?

00:39:25.980 We're on stage right now, and the Jewish donors are very angry about it, extremely angry about 0.99

00:39:30.540 it, but it feels good to know that in the end, truth is going to win, so accept my challenge

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00:42:09.200 All right, you guys.

00:42:10.520 Hope I've made myself clear.

00:42:12.580 I'm done dancing.

00:42:13.480 I am done dancing with all of these frauds.

00:42:15.800 It's just unbelievable.

00:42:17.140 It really is unbelievable.

00:42:20.200 Do me a favor.

00:42:21.740 Don't ever let anybody try to speak out who just tortured me my whole life and then pretend

00:42:27.960 to say something nice.

00:42:28.860 Please don't do that.

00:42:29.600 Just call them out on being hideous individuals.

00:42:31.740 When you end up in a world where a couple of days before Charlie Kirk dies, someone like

00:42:36.680 Laura Loomer is calling him an anti-semi and she's funded by one of Charlie's donors, Bob

00:42:42.120 Shulman, who then does a 180 and is now pretending that she is morally fighting me to stop researching

00:42:47.980 into Charlie's murder.

00:42:49.400 You know exactly what kind of world you live in.

00:42:51.580 Politics sickens me.

00:42:52.860 It really does.

00:42:54.180 Everybody who has a little wish out there, oh, Candace, jump into politics. 0.89

00:42:57.820 I hate these people. 0.71

00:42:59.340 I hate everybody involved in politics. 1.00

00:43:01.940 It is all about money.

00:43:04.200 OK, they all sell their souls for money and there are no real relationships.

00:43:08.120 And I hope that you are learning that if you're getting a lesson about that right now.

00:43:11.940 And it's not left or right.

00:43:13.860 I think which is something that I learned.

00:43:15.480 It is not left or right.

00:43:16.820 It is just individuals selling their souls.

00:43:20.580 Comment from Rose.

00:43:21.760 Rose writes, no matter what videos I've seen from people on the left or right calling you 0.99

00:43:24.780 crazy, I call it fake and gay. 1.00

00:43:26.080 You have my full support. 1.00

00:43:26.940 Truth is all that matters and Christ is king.

00:43:28.940 Yeah.

00:43:29.200 Here is the thing.

00:43:30.640 People know truth when they hear it.

00:43:32.960 OK, you know, you know, truth when you see it, you know, when people are lying and you

00:43:38.280 can see the campaign now, it's obvious, right?

00:43:40.580 All the same people making videos at the same time, posting at the same time, people that

00:43:44.580 are accepting money through an agent of Israel somehow.

00:43:48.200 I've also got contracts, got contracts as well.

00:43:51.180 Um, how these people are getting paid, quote unquote, 501c3s, dedicating themselves to the

00:43:57.800 fellowship of Christians and Jews.

00:43:59.300 I mean, it is a really disturbing market.

00:44:01.720 But you would think that following an assassination that people would tether themselves to reality,

00:44:08.840 that they would say, I want to fight evil and they would therefore commit themselves

00:44:12.480 to truth.

00:44:13.620 What I'm seeing right now is just stunning.

00:44:15.120 It really is.

00:44:15.640 I mean, I think, um, uh, his name online is Anomaly.

00:44:19.040 AJ tweeted, is this what happened after the JFK assassination?

00:44:22.140 Did all of his friends, uh, race to say, don't investigate, don't investigate, accept the

00:44:27.240 narrative as it is.

00:44:28.160 Maybe we weren't alive.

00:44:29.180 Maybe AJ.

00:44:30.680 Murphy writes, I'm a progressive who disagrees with you on a lot, but as a fellow Catholic,

00:44:33.520 I see the Holy Spirit working through you to find truth.

00:44:35.660 We are fighting a spiritual war against evil.

00:44:37.920 The left and the right must come together to fight authoritarianism.

00:44:40.980 How to do that, by the way, I want to say to people at home, take your children,

00:44:45.640 out of these schools, all of them.

00:44:48.060 Okay.

00:44:48.360 I cannot stress this enough.

00:44:50.520 Homeschool your children, make it work no matter what. 0.92

00:44:53.620 Stop sending them to the universities.

00:44:56.100 Okay.

00:44:56.500 There is a real underground.

00:44:58.600 It is a communist underground.

00:45:00.040 It is real.

00:45:00.760 It is 100% real.

00:45:02.080 It is not imagined.

00:45:03.020 And what they want, the one resource that these people want are your children.

00:45:07.900 Simple thing that you can do.

00:45:09.260 Okay.

00:45:09.580 I know it takes a lot of adjustment.

00:45:10.920 I'm waking up and I'm homeschooling my kids.

00:45:13.700 Um, and, but by the way, it's the most rewarding thing in the world.

00:45:17.380 Also, we just started this week.

00:45:19.100 Uh, so it's only been for two days, but it's incredible how happy it makes me knowing that

00:45:23.100 I am, I am doing something to buck the trend as we are slipping further into authoritarian

00:45:28.640 rule.

00:45:29.880 Ashlyn Bigelow writes advocating for a weekly Candace crash out followed by, I'd like to

00:45:34.640 apologize for my tone 10 seconds ago.

00:45:36.720 Yeah, I'm, I'm kind of, yeah, that's, I should do that.

00:45:39.180 You're right.

00:45:39.480 And I do, I should apologize for my tone, maybe like five minutes ago.

00:45:42.880 I'm trying to be more conscious, but I am, oh man, I'm working on this anger. 0.92

00:45:47.360 I'm working on, uh, just really appreciating how fake and gay it all is. 1.00

00:45:52.660 Like I am just seeing these people just say, move on, move on from Charlie. 0.91

00:45:56.060 It's good.

00:45:56.300 We're going to accept the narrative.

00:45:57.160 We're just going to let the FBI do what the FBI does.

00:45:59.420 And we're just going to pretend these glaring, obvious lies and holes mean nothing.

00:46:02.880 And also work behind the scenes, the very people that were torturing Charlie.

00:46:05.860 That is just not allowed.

00:46:08.640 It's not allowed.

00:46:09.600 Natalie writes, Candace, I am giddy AF watching you today.

00:46:12.120 You are on fire to your audience.

00:46:13.760 Let's keep up the prayers y'all.

00:46:14.820 Christ is King.

00:46:16.700 Um, thank you so much, Natalie.

00:46:17.840 I really appreciate that.

00:46:18.840 And I appreciate all of your support.

00:46:21.100 Marzi, um, thank you for your support.

00:46:23.320 Marzi writes, Hey Candace, in my super chat yesterday, I got keyholing and internal bullet

00:46:28.720 bouncing confused.

00:46:29.940 Oh, okay.

00:46:30.500 I remember that you commented about that.

00:46:31.980 Keyholing is if the bullet is too slow and tumbles and has external impact.

00:46:36.820 The other is pinball bullets where they bounce internally, causing internal damage to the

00:46:41.760 target.

00:46:42.160 So pinball bullets are the ones that cause internal damage.

00:46:44.600 Very interesting.

00:46:45.940 Um, George writes, we love you, Candy.

00:46:47.920 I pray the truth gets out soon.

00:46:50.080 Keep up the great work.

00:46:51.220 The truth, George, it's inevitable.

00:46:53.920 It is. 0.87

00:46:54.660 It's, uh, not fun to be a liar because you got to squirm.

00:46:57.880 And I, I appreciate the hand that they played here.

00:47:00.940 I, I totally get the hand that they played here.

00:47:03.680 They are lying.

00:47:05.040 Uh, there have been a lot of lies that have been told from the very beginning.

00:47:08.660 And the idea that Charlie was pro-israel when he died ends today.

00:47:12.620 That just ends today.

00:47:15.140 Uh, HMMM writes, please stay safe.

00:47:18.800 Uh, if I buy a shirt, please don't do a Cardi B and call me out for my triple exercises.

00:47:24.320 By the way, we do have some new merch.

00:47:26.420 You guys, uh, demanded this.

00:47:28.700 We're also going to make sure that you have the most appropriate kit on you.

00:47:33.940 Uh, we don't know, no, but we know is the new Standis cup that just dropped.

00:47:38.160 It's pretty good.

00:47:39.780 We don't know, no, but we know.

00:47:42.560 And, uh, we're about to know, no, if you know what I mean.

00:47:46.280 Okay.

00:47:46.840 So you can get your Standis cup available on CandiceOwen.com website.

00:47:49.960 There's also t-shirts that are available for you.

00:47:51.740 Somebody put in a request for a tank top. 0.57

00:47:54.720 So we have that finally getting you some kit.

00:47:57.580 We'll drop more in the future too.

00:47:59.380 Uh, yeah, because that's the vibe.

00:48:00.800 That is the vibe.

00:48:01.480 Go with your gut on things.

00:48:02.880 And I loved that yesterday's episode.

00:48:04.800 The number one comment was that Charlie used to say that, like, go with your gut.

00:48:08.380 There's, there's something there.

00:48:09.660 And I'm realizing more and more guys, like we, we have a God intuition.

00:48:12.940 That is our gut.

00:48:13.740 Your gut instinct is your God instinct.

00:48:15.320 And we all know something's not right here.

00:48:17.100 And the media has never worked harder to try to tell us, no, no, no, no, just move along.

00:48:21.520 And yeah, I proclaim regicide.

00:48:25.360 Okay.

00:48:26.160 I don't like it.

00:48:27.400 And we are getting closer.

00:48:29.000 So again, be, uh, very, uh, I guess, careful or, or mindful rather is a better word there.

00:48:36.200 Be very mindful if you are sending us an email to tips at CandiceOwen.com.

00:48:40.000 We are still working to identify our goth suspect.

00:48:43.060 And it's not the girl who was wearing black, but rather the person that was in the photos

00:48:47.720 with nephew, cousin, Broderick.

00:48:50.560 Uh, and we, if you know something, please send us tips at CandiceOwen.com.

00:48:56.160 Uh, we will have more for you tomorrow.

00:48:58.500 Some other stuff that I've been holding close to my chest about where we are hearing, uh,

00:49:04.880 Charlie's wounds were.

00:49:07.280 So I hate to leave you on a cliffhanger.

00:49:09.880 I don't actually hate to leave you on a cliffhanger.

00:49:11.120 It brings you back.

00:49:11.720 And I love you guys.

00:49:13.180 You guys keep us fighting.

00:49:14.360 We'll see you tomorrow.

Candace Owens - September 30, 2025

DEAD OR ALIVE： Who Betrayed Charlie Kirk？｜ Ep 245

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Candace Owens - September 30, 2025

DEAD OR ALIVE： Who Betrayed Charlie Kirk？ ｜ Ep 245

Episode Stats

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DEAD OR ALIVE： Who Betrayed Charlie Kirk？｜ Ep 245