They Are Lying About Tyler Robinson. ｜ Candace Ep 244
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Summary
In this episode, Candace explains why Tyler Robinson has never confessed to the murder of his father, Jeffrey Epstein, and why his father does not believe that his son committed this crime. Also, while investigating this assassination, a politician keeps coming up, and now he s mad that we keep asking questions about something that he hasn t yet shared.
Transcript
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All right, you guys, happy Monday and get ready because we are going on a journey.
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I left you guys on the ultimate cliffhanger last week.
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I genuinely wanted to get the information out as soon as possible that Tyler Robinson
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Also, while investigating this assassination, there is a politician's name that keeps coming
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And now he's apparently mad that we keep asking questions.
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I'm beginning to think that he might know something that he hasn't yet shared.
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So I wanted to kind of loop you guys into this and see what you think.
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I mean, these are the phrases that we now use and that we say when we expect that the
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Last week, I have to tell you, I was contacted by a source who I vetted with information that
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answered a lot of the lingering questions that we've had about the investigation.
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Not all of them, but some of them, some of the big ones.
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First and foremost, we were like, how exactly did it work?
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How did Tyler Robinson turn himself in, as we were told, but also never confessed?
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And did he actually author those absurd Fed messages?
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Lastly, what was he doing at Dairy Queen doesn't really quite fit into our timeline.
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Also, don't expect this kid who just tried out being a stone cold killer to really have an
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And why exactly did the feds withhold that information at Dairy Queen?
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And why are they allegedly stalking the Dairy Queen to see who comes in and out?
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Well, we have the story that could possibly potentially answer all those questions.
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And it certainly makes a lot more sense than the slop that the government is currently trying
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First and foremost, Tyler Robinson has never confessed.
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They acknowledge that he has never confessed to this crime, and he still is pleading innocence
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In fact, I was told that he was, quote unquote, bewildered by the idea that he carved casings.
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I should be clear, he does not dispute the fact that it is his gun at all.
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The reason that he has that gun in the first place is because it is, in fact, a custom-made
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As many of you guys have noted, the Robinson family appear to be conservative, hence the
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hunting and the fishing as the sports of their choosing.
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I am told that they are fans of Charlie Kirk and they are fans of Donald Trump, although
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this source noted that Tyler, like many other conservatives have expressed, wished that Trump
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would sometimes tone down his speech and his rhetoric.
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Now, on the topic of rhetoric, I am told that Tyler absolutely did not author those text
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Believes that they are therefore entirely fictionalized.
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It turns out, you're going to be shocked, that he doesn't actually use words like vehicle, which
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should come as no surprise to anyone that has a brain.
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By the way, I'm sure you caught this, but there's old footage of Tyler Robinson that is
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now circulating from a car accident that he had.
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And during the discussion with the officer that showed up, Tyler certainly refers to it as his
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car, not his vehicle, because that's how most Americans, how most English speakers refer to a car,
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unless they're in the military or on the police force.
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So here is 2022 police body cam footage, in case you missed that, of Tyler making a crash report.
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She's got to shuttle over from where she's at to her car and then drive over.
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His mother was going to shuttle over from her car?
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Of most interest to me, what I've learned is that his father does not believe, his parents
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don't believe that their son committed this crime.
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That's a far cry from what the media has been telling us.
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Remember, the media presented this amazing story.
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The father realized his son was guilty, so it goes, right?
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And then he phoned over a friend to help him convince his son to turn himself in because
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this guy, you know, this mysterious guy was a friend and just had a connection with Tyler
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and eventually they said, you've got to do the right thing here.
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Certainly, that's what the media was putting down for us to pick up.
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Well, I was told actually that it was kind of the opposite.
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That, quote unquote, family friend, who we learned was a former detective with the police
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force, at least, and so therefore has strong ties with the police station, informed the
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It was that in-between person that informed the family that Tyler had been identified as
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And then I'm told, and I believe this, that the way in which he got arrested or rather
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turned himself in was because that family friend slash neighbor slash former detective
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told him, hey, it's best for you to turn yourself in because there's only one of two options
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Either you turn yourself in and everything is peaceable or, you know, the SWAT team could
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come in here and arrest you and things would get crazy.
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He disputed the idea that he had murdered Charlie Kirk.
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In fact, according to my source, Tyler has never even stepped foot on UVU campus.
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Tyler, it turns out, which has already been revealed, was accepted into Utah State University,
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And that's actually interesting if you pause and reflect on that, because we didn't really
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consider how on earth Tyler became not just familiar with the layout of the campus, but
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familiar with the rooftop layout of UVU campus.
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So familiar that he knew exactly how to scale across the rooftops to duck down in order to
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take an almost impossible shot at a Charlie Kirk who was sitting beneath a tent.
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Had he been there before that he knew where Charlie was going to be sitting in it, that
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he would have that shot from on top of the Losey Center?
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I would actually, and I don't know, but I would imagine that even actual current UVU students
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Like they're not even that familiar with how to scale the rooftops and what shots they can
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Uh, curiously, however, my source says that Tyler Robinson was nearby the campus on that
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I'm wondering if that fact, which I'm trying to learn more information regarding explains
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the Dairy Queen photo, because what was he doing around the campus on that day?
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Where exactly was he around the campus on that day?
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So if you're wondering why exactly Tyler would agree to go to the police station if he's not
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guilty, ironically, the police were honest that day on one of the points.
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Well, first and foremost, that point is Tyler is not suicidal.
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Um, he wanted to go to the police station so that he didn't risk accidentally getting shot
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by the police swarming his home, as I said earlier, in a theatrical arrest setting.
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But rather confusingly, uh, Brooksby, Nate Brooksby tells us that Tyler is suicidal.
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Let's just take a listen to, to what Nate Brooksby said after he had been apprehended.
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So, so I get a call from my friend and, uh, his, his, I said, Hey, how you doing?
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And it's not, you know, he's been retired a few years.
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It's not, it's not unusual for me to get a call from him or vice versa.
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And at 8 0 2 PM, he calls me, Hey, I can tell his voice is kind of shaky.
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And then, uh, and then I can't, I couldn't fathom what actually came out of his mouth.
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So he said, Hey, um, I know who, I know who Charlie Kirk Shooter is.
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Um, I, I know the family through religious association and, uh, he's in, he's in Washington
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County now and we're working on trying to get him to come in voluntarily during that
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Um, some information was provided about Tyler, uh, potentially having some suicidal ideations
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was in route to a remote area of Washington County.
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Um, the parents convinced them not to do that and, uh, you know, conveyed that they
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would, uh, you know, stand by him and help him, help him, um, surrender peacefully.
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He was just confused and didn't want to get shots.
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He then tells us, Brooksby, that he came in willingly because he didn't want to die.
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Within the hour, um, my friend, uh, drove Tyler and his parents to my office where he was
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So that was part of the, part of the deal is, um, Tyler knew it was just inevitable with
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all the law enforcement pressure that he, you know, his picture in the news, the gun,
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the gun on the news, he knew it was inevitable, uh, that he would be caught.
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He was fearful of a SWAT team hit on his house, or he was fearful of being shot by law enforcement.
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So part of the negotiation and getting him to bring himself in was that, that we would,
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we would treat it as delicate and as soft as possible to make him feel comfortable to
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Was he suicidal and wanting to die or was he worried about dying?
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It's the answer was he came in because he is not suicidal and did not want to get shot
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As I am told now, you're probably wondering why the father and the mother didn't speak
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Uh, why don't you come right out and dispute everything immediately?
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Well, interestingly enough, I'm told that it's because the feds told them that if they
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Like they, they needed to keep things private and they convinced the family to go into
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Somebody could like, you know, just come back and try to harm you guys because of what
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You should go into witness protection and don't speak to anybody.
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And they agreed, of course, in the fog of it all.
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But then like any good, maybe conservative family, you start going, I don't really trust
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They are learning this in and through the media.
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They thought that Lance was just his roommates and they were especially shocked because apparently
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Tyler kept mentioning to them that he wanted them to meet some girl that he was seeing.
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Now, I would like to interject my own voice here and say that I think this girl was likely
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Lance and Tyler was working up the courage to tell his family that he was gay.
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That is what is most likely in my opinion because we know for a fact that Tyler was in fact
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in a relationship with Lance because we have exclusive photos, by the way, they're about
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to show you that the two of them posted to their Instagrams.
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That handle has since been taken down of what Tyler's handle was, but he's got a handle
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that doesn't have his name in it, so he's maybe trying to hide this stuff.
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And this one's posted by Lance again, pics from when Tyler had a mustache.
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Just makes sense that he was working up the courage to maybe tell his family about that.
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Now, I was told also that Tyler is off the charts intelligence and always has been.
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Now, that is precisely what made the idea of him being so stupid as to author a full confessional
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Like, any person with a modicum of intelligence is going to go, I'm not going to put this down
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And apparently, whoever offered those messages, likely feds, didn't have a modicum of intelligence
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or they would have maybe not included every single detail there.
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However, the family says that the photo of the young man that is coming up the stairs, which
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was shared, that blurry image, is definitively not Tyler Robinson.
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And let me just say, I never thought it looked like him.
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Every time I say, I'm like, this person is taller than Tyler Robinson.
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Tyler Robinson also appears to have full lips, even though this image is blurry.
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We're not looking for someone that's got fuller lips.
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And Tyler Robinson looks broader than that individual walking, right?
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So I'm on board with that person walking up the stairs.
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It's not Tyler Robinson because I feel like it was intentionally blurred.
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They also never gave us the footage at all because in order to blur it, they probably needed
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Also, the family believes that, and this is really interesting, Tyler Robinson's apartment
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Now, you will recall that I spoke to Lance's family.
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And one of the things that Lance's family said was, it was, hey, we own that apartment.
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But I can tell you that it seems like they were trying to hide the fact that this, you
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And it's very strange that they immediately cleared Lance as a suspect.
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And I was told by other people in the department that they wanted to keep that raid very hush
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They didn't want anybody to know about the raid.
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And Lance immediately gets cleared as a suspect.
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Well, according to Tyler's family, they went to that apartment after his arrest, and they
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And that intentionally in Tyler's room, a furry bed was placed, almost sort of implying that
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they're trying to transfer the attributes of Lance onto Tyler.
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But again, when I put together what I'm being told by Lance's family, and what I'm hearing
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from the Robinson family, through a third party, I will say that it matches.
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One family's going, hey, Lance is kind of evil.
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And the other one's going, Tyler's not this guy.
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So there's also something else that's weird that I want to mention here, and that is
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the unusual lengths in which the media and the sheriff's department, they've gone through
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all of these lengths, I would say, to protect the identity of that former sheriff friend
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who was the one who convinced Tyler to turn himself in.
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Even in that press conference, by the way, Brooksby, I don't like the way he's moving.
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I don't like the way Nate Brooksby is breathing.
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For no reason at all, he feels like he has to explain how he got on the phone with this
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Like, nobody asked you whether or not it was usual for him to call you.
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He's kind of over-explaining here, in my opinion.
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At exactly 8.02 on the 11th, I received a call from a friend of mine who happens to be
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a retired detective that worked for me for many years.
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I wanted to protect that individual as much as possible.
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Unfortunately, in the court documents, which is standard, he was referenced as a retired
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I was trying to protect even that information and just saying retired law enforcement in general.
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Why did you feel the need to explain to us earlier?
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But I'm fortunate that information is in documents that he was, you know, formally working for me and
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If he was formally working for you, that would mean he was a public figure.
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Public figures, people that work for police departments are always public and their
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information are something, their name is someone we could easily research.
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I think a journalist asks in the audience, like, you know, that former friend detective,
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And he says, I don't know if we have that clip.
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But actually, we were able to figure out who that individual was.
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And it's, I feel, someone that we need to get in touch with.
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The name of that individual is former Deputy Mike Mitchell.
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Now, oddly, despite a career of 25 years in the police force, I can't find a single trace
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So I'm looking for more information on this guy.
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I understand that he knows Tyler through the Boy Scouts.
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And I think Tyler was, he was the Boy Scout leader.
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We were able to confirm that this Mike Mitchell lives on the block, lives nearby, as was told
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And thus far, we have only been able to even see a picture of him.
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There's just one picture or a set of pictures that we were able to find.
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And that, again, which would mean Brooksby lied a little bit.
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I don't like a little bit of lies because you usually have to lie a little bit when there's
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According to this post, he retired last January.
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And on the right-hand side, you have, today we celebrated the career of Detective Mike Mitchell.
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After over 24 years of serving, 24 years, Washington County, he is retiring.
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Starting in the jail back in 1999, Sheriff Brooksby and Detective Mitchell both had some wonderful
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We would like to give our heartfelt thanks to Detective Mitchell and all who came out to
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This is the only trace of this guy I could find.
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When you serve that long-lived police force, you inevitably make it into the news.
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So I am asking, and we tried to reach out to this individual.
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If you have any more information about this individual, if he is your Boy Scout leader
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Guys, I'm going to again say here, we appreciate all of the tips, but please don't send us links
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to somebody else's video and their theories because we're a very small team.
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And we want to get to actual tips pertaining to the questions that we're asking and that
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we're looking for about the individuals that we're mentioning, not other people's theories.
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If they have like a theory about what direction the bullet might have traveled, please reserve
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But we really want to keep the tips lines for answers to the questions that we're coming
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Okay, so something very strange happened this weekend, and I need to tell you.
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Now, first and foremost, I have to tell you about this student who I'm going to refer to
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I'm going to refer him as Nick to protect his identity, obviously.
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I came across Nick very early on in this investigation.
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In fact, you might recall when I shared a photo online of a person that looked suspicious.
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He was wearing like a black suit and black glasses, and he seemed to have a strap hanging
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Here he is right here, and he was in the food court.
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I shared that photo because Nick had sent it to me into our tips box and said, this person
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And from there, he kind of became my boots on the ground.
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That was really—and right away, he told me on like day two of the investigation that
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he worked on Phil Lyman's gubernatorial campaign.
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Phil Lyman ran against the current Governor Cox, and he lost.
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And one day, very early on—this must have been like day three—Nick cold calls me,
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Like I said, he ran for governor, and I was prepping for the show, and things were early
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on, and I was still in a very aggrieved phase, and I didn't really know I was on the phone
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And Nick insisted to me he's a fantastic person.
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Fast forward to me looking into the witness list, and obviously, we spoke about this Tiffany
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Peterson Barker, that very weird clip of her with her nieces at like 4 a.m. in the morning,
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speaking on Good Morning America, and her energy was just weird to me.
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We reached out to her, and then she gave us a ton of information, but never actually
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She never sent me directly any footage that could verify that she was there when Charlie
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And she was a bit upset that I didn't clarify that.
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I thought it was weird that she wouldn't just text me the footage because it didn't allow
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me to confirm that she was where she said she was.
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Metadata instantly will say, here's where you were, at what time, and this is this person's
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I just told you guys, hey, you can check her out on her Instagram.
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She says that this is why her nieces said that, and we sort of moved on, right?
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But then I learned from Nick that the photo of the person who was wearing that black suit
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and dark sunglasses had come from Tiffany Barker's mother.
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And then you'll recall, we learned from Tiffany when I was trying to figure out, how did you
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Like, did you share something that would have had them reach out?
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Well, then I told you, she told us, actually, Phil Lyman is the person that put me on Good
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My sister ran with him as lieutenant governor, and I was like, oh, okay.
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So, Phil Lyman got you that position on Good Morning America.
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You had, essentially, a connection there that made that happen.
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But then I learned that Phil Lyman himself was very involved in all of the communications
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that immediately went out about the shooting, and that his car was in the driveway of the
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now infamous TMZ footage, which showed the shooter walking twice that day by this house.
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In fact, Phil Lyman says that he had just pulled into that driveway minutes earlier and had
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Here he is, in his own words, speaking to Kayleigh McEnany.
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I do want to linger on a moment for what you just told us, and I'm going to ask the team
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to pull back up that surveillance footage that we've gotten from TMZ, from those neighborhood
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You said that in that footage is your driveway, and you parked there at 11.30 a.m.
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We know this footage that you're looking at was taken at 11.49 a.m.
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So you would have been on that street, that driveway, 19 minutes before.
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He's walking in front of my aunt's house there right now, and my cousin's house is the driveway
00:29:26.200
that is taking that photo, and my CRV, the gray CRV in the distance there, that is my car.
00:29:32.200
I parked there probably 10 minutes before he walked by, and I had not seen this footage
00:29:36.460
until just now, and it just keeps so many things that keep linking up.
00:29:42.280
It's really astonishing to me, and then we went back to this house afterwards.
00:29:46.360
They thought they had the shooter, so I took a friend of mine.
00:29:52.220
He said, well, we'll just hang out here for a while, and before long, the people were combing
00:29:58.140
the backyard, as you saw, she had the footage of that, and pretty soon helicopters are overhead,
00:30:03.840
and so this is very, very local to me, very, I mean, not only is it Utah, but it's kind
00:30:08.920
of my neighborhood where I spent so much of my childhood and all of my relatives.
00:30:16.040
I got up yesterday morning at 6 o'clock to drive up and meet Charlie, and I haven't been
00:30:22.360
to bed since then because it's just one thing after another after another, and so astonishing
00:30:32.980
Now, just to be clear, and to reiterate, 19 minutes before the shooter walks across, he
00:30:43.520
Also, when he says, like, he grew up there and his family, I mean, his family owns, we were
00:30:48.340
able to determine 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 homes right there.
00:30:58.640
And that, his little press tour, obviously, now you're like, you know, explaining your
00:31:06.220
Then he went on to Alex Jones and spoke about where he was when the shot rang out.
00:31:14.600
And what's kind of, and I'm laughing here because it's kind of absurd, he kind of sort
00:31:17.720
of blames it on these two random goth girls, maybe.
00:31:21.600
Like, he's kind of implying, like, there were these girls that were wearing black and maybe
00:31:29.140
Just yesterday, someone comes in and says, yeah, we've got video.
00:31:34.840
He came up here to the parking lot, got in the car with an individual, and they drove
00:31:40.360
Well, that's not the story that came, so that he escaped another route.
00:31:43.800
And there are people who are coordinating this thing.
00:31:46.640
I do not believe that that 30-06 that they showed recovered in the bushes was ever on the
00:31:56.420
And now, I'm not saying that Tyler Robinson wasn't on the roof.
00:32:03.660
So another interesting thing, like I say, I left the front of the stage.
00:32:06.840
I wanted to meet some of my friends and bring him down front.
00:32:09.200
So I was clear at the east end, and I heard this loud boom.
00:32:13.020
And I turned around, and I'm looking, like, what was that?
00:32:21.220
And I thought, this is a gunshot, and there's going to be more of them.
00:32:28.300
Everyone's ducking down behind the concrete retaining walls, and some of them were still
00:32:33.820
But there were two people that were standing there, two girls, very goth, very black, you
00:32:40.080
And I just walked, and I stepped up to the side of them, and I said, did that not happen
00:32:47.680
So they were confirming, yeah, the shooter or wherever that sound came from is right here.
00:32:52.160
The thing that didn't really dawn on me is that they were not running.
00:32:55.900
In fact, as I stepped up, I heard one of the girls, and they were talking to each other,
00:33:00.840
and they're looking at these kids, looking at the scene down below them of all these
00:33:15.340
In hindsight, as I've watched that over and over, it's like, these people were not afraid.
00:33:20.060
Okay, so what I get from that is he was up high, because he says they're looking down
00:33:25.180
below, and that maybe people that are wearing black are immediately suspects.
00:33:31.980
Anyways, he also went on to a local Utah news station and spoke about how he was with
00:33:43.540
But I saw a picture of you with Charlie Kirk, and it looks like you were like maybe right
00:33:51.720
Is this just like minutes before this happened?
00:33:55.500
No, I was basically backstage, and when he came out, I was throwing the hats.
00:34:02.060
I was standing next to the stage, and I would have been there when the shooting took place,
00:34:06.380
but I needed to go meet some of my friends, and I didn't want to just hang around.
00:34:11.020
So there's a part of me that's glad that I wasn't in close proximity, and part of me
00:34:15.260
that feels bad that I wasn't there just in some form of moral presence and support.
00:34:25.060
When I combine those clips, I'm kind of unclear as to where he was exactly when the shots rang
00:34:29.520
out, if he was close or if he felt bad that he wasn't close.
00:34:31.600
Anyways, he went on to Instagram that night as Tiffany was prepping her Good Morning America
00:34:38.080
hit, I suppose, and he speaks further about what he was doing back onto campus and what
00:34:48.800
Again, this is on September 10th, and it's around 1130 p.m. at night.
00:34:53.320
Hey, it's September 10th, 2025, and I was just heading back from Salt Lake to Blanding.
00:35:00.780
It's about 1130 at night, and I wanted to swing back by UVU campus where Charlie Kirk
00:35:06.280
was killed today and see if I could let a few of the police officers know how much I appreciate
00:35:11.440
the work they're doing, see if there's some college students here that I could rub shoulders
00:35:17.960
But what I really wanted to share was I was very close this morning where Charlie Kirk
00:35:22.460
was at, met him backstage, and we talked for a moment before he went on stage, and I was
00:35:26.760
backstage as he started speaking and decided to go up top, and I went up to the top and
00:35:33.860
ironically was very close to where the shooter was, apparently.
00:35:37.940
The shot was very loud, and I determined pretty quickly that whoever it was was on the roof,
00:35:53.240
I find this to be a little weird, but let's be clear.
00:35:55.660
By no means conclusive of anything other than perhaps a strange coincidence, and maybe this
00:35:59.740
is why he feels so impassioned and wants to keep speaking about it.
00:36:02.440
Also, you know, he's a gubernatorial candidate.
00:36:05.700
This would be a political moment to show that you're a leader.
00:36:08.200
And look, life is not exactly an Agatha Christie novel, right, where the guilty party somehow
00:36:14.600
So I park by the side, I keep pushing, and I'm following more public leads.
00:36:19.760
But also, I do recall in the back of my mind that both Phil and Tiffany Barker, and as it
00:36:25.440
would turn out, another person that lives on that street with the last name Shumway, kept
00:36:29.640
trying to get me to look into Governor Cox because he's, according to Tiffany, very supportive
00:36:35.880
You should look into Tiffany, Tiffany said, into Governor Cox.
00:36:39.140
And similarly, the Shumway emails were like, you should look into this Governor Cox because
00:36:48.540
That feels to me always just like fed bait, left versus right, right?
00:36:56.440
Oddly, look, I'm just following the facts here.
00:36:58.480
Nothing in my investigation has made me ask a question further about Governor Cox on that
00:37:04.880
Nothing came up organically, so I'm not going to push it just because he's a Democrat.
00:37:07.700
And actually, where I was at, at this process, what's that?
00:37:14.840
Oh, pushing that because Governor Cox is his, sorry, I said Democrat because he's his, you
00:37:19.760
know, he's warring with him, and that's the candidate that he wants to go after.
00:37:23.680
And I actually start noticing as I'm looking into this investigation that everyone who was
00:37:28.760
involved on that day, I mean, literally the person who spots the shooter on the roof,
00:37:34.160
military, the person who says, oh, the, he, I just happened to be in the right place in
00:37:39.980
the Flag of Halls where I saw him running, also in the military.
00:37:43.180
And I'm starting to think, is it possible that this is like a military hit?
00:37:49.800
Next came a tip that you guys saw me receive live on the show.
00:37:53.120
Someone paid, a woman paid to say, Candace, there's more footage of the shooter on that
00:37:58.760
And you should know that that shooter was with a woman, right?
00:38:03.940
That's a tip that I've received, that that woman, the shooter was with a woman, and he
00:38:08.020
was seen changing clothes, and that they've cut out that footage.
00:38:10.720
So I reach out to that individual, and the name that they give me for the house that this
00:38:17.000
took place in, and I'm able to confirm that this property is nearby, is owned by Lyman Branch.
00:38:25.840
So now I want to be clear, I could not attach whether or not yet this individual is related
00:38:32.320
to Phil Lyman, but he's been honest about the fact that his family lives around there a lot,
00:38:42.800
So I was a little bit on alert, maybe like a lot of bit on alert, and I decided to just do a basic
00:38:48.200
search into Phil Lyman, like, is his family in the military?
00:38:51.920
I'm asking the question to myself, and I'm quite surprised that it's impossible for me to find out
00:38:58.940
Like, I literally don't know what goes on in Utah, but it seems like a very weird thing to me
00:39:03.740
that you would be able to keep information about who your mom and dad are private if you're running
00:39:11.480
So I just simply ask Nick, I haven't shared any of this with Nick, because I know that he worked
00:39:15.940
for Phil Lyman, and I'm not accusing Phil Lyman of anything, I'm just, like, trying to actually
00:39:19.600
shut that down, and he says, I actually, I don't know who his mom and dad are.
00:39:28.020
I then decide to keep pushing on military leads that I have, people that were on the ground
00:39:33.780
that day who I've confirmed were in the military.
00:39:38.200
Because Nick calls me, and he's a little bit undone.
00:39:44.080
He tells me that Phil Lyman has just showed up at his house.
00:39:53.960
He's a 20-year-old UVU student and a major super fan of Phil as of 48 hours ago, and he's
00:40:01.320
very uncomfortable, and he tells me that Phil randomly messaged him saying that he was nearby
00:40:06.620
in town, in town, rather, and asked Nick for his address, something that he never had.
00:40:12.840
And Nick, quite naively, being this Phil super fan, thinks that Phil's going to come and offer
00:40:19.160
him a job because he's been so on it investigating this Charlie Kirk assassination, and that's not
00:40:28.280
He opens the door for him, and his energy is very weird.
00:40:36.660
He's asking him questions about my investigation.
00:40:41.940
I literally was asking him, can you go here, pick up this, whatever it is.
00:40:50.640
Well, he tells me that Phil has also set up a time to meet with Ian Carroll.
00:40:56.620
Okay, so Ian Carroll is conducting his own separate investigation.
00:41:02.040
But Ian Carroll publicized that he was going up to Utah because he wanted to be on the ground
00:41:08.180
And he was reaching out to people who had been speaking about having been there.
00:41:15.300
And Phil Lyman is so gracious that he offers to give him a tour.
00:41:20.940
And Nick tells me, he's like, that's really weird now because we're like two weeks on from
00:41:25.560
the shooting and Phil Lyman lives four hours away.
00:41:27.940
So that's that's very, very gracious of him to do.
00:41:32.920
And then he mentions Governor Cox and he mentions Tyler Boyer of Turning Point USA and says that
00:41:41.420
again, this is according to Nick, that Tyler Boyer and the Lyman have been speaking and that
00:41:48.640
they are, you know, really going to make Governor Cox.
00:41:53.120
And I'm paraphrasing here, but apparently there's a another Utah event, USU event coming up and
00:42:00.980
And Phil Lyman intimates that like, you know, this at this TPUs event, Governor Cox isn't
00:42:10.720
He then tells him, I'm going to go, if you don't mind, I'm going to take a phone call in
00:42:14.540
So he's just idling in a 20 year old's driveway who just happened to work on his campaign
00:42:19.140
and he's on the phone and this is he's why he's calling me panicking.
00:42:25.820
I don't know why he's asking me questions about this investigation.
00:42:36.040
I feel like he knows something at the very least.
00:42:40.420
And I begin actually searching through our tips box for anything related to Phil Lyman.
00:42:46.800
Maybe somebody else noticed something or knew something or he said something.
00:42:49.800
And lo and behold, very early on, someone just messaged us and said, hey, like you should
00:42:55.120
probably ask more questions about Phil Lyman because every time I look into this investigation
00:43:00.300
locally, him and his family members are popping up.
00:43:02.780
And then that person tells me that his nephew had sort of done this public tour, like Phil
00:43:07.420
Lyman's nephew, did this public tour saying that he was going to walk the same route that
00:43:13.240
the shooter walked near his grandmother's house and that they found, you guys remember
00:43:18.340
this, they found the converse footprint nearby his grandma's house.
00:43:27.640
He presents this map and his nephew's name is Shane.
00:43:34.120
And let's just look at some of these posts from nephew Shane.
00:43:38.540
He's with his friends said, I took my friends to my grandma's house tonight and we
00:43:42.340
retraced his steps and we took pictures in the exact place that the security cameras
00:43:48.240
I've been through this new experience for the last few days.
00:43:51.780
I'm still very glad to have attended and to support Charlie Kirk and to see him.
00:43:59.300
And then he does hashtags and here are him and the three friends.
00:44:02.400
And by the way, I'm looking at his, the front and the right.
00:44:09.080
I'd like to know who that is at the very least.
00:44:11.020
And I'd like to know who everybody in this photo is.
00:44:15.000
Like you guys are in the staircase and posting side by sides.
00:44:17.800
Like they put the side by side photos of them in the staircase.
00:44:20.500
And I just was like, I need to just know more about you and I need to know more about these
00:44:26.620
two individuals who I couldn't find on his friends list.
00:44:28.840
And they certainly hadn't liked the photo or else I would have messaged them directly
00:44:39.040
And so I messaged Nick and I asked him whether or not he had ever received any images or videos
00:44:45.520
At the very least, we can see his line of vision so I can figure out where exactly he
00:44:52.520
And I'm wondering if like we can maybe get some footage that we didn't have before when
00:45:02.660
That's kind of been very, it's good to see because then I can put it in my timeline.
00:45:14.280
He doesn't want to share those photos with Nick.
00:45:17.040
And he asks him explicitly, whose side are you on?
00:45:25.480
We're all trying to catch Charlie Kirk's killer one way or the other.
00:45:28.160
You inserted yourself into this, got on the phone with me.
00:45:31.800
I was not even trying to make any communication with you.
00:45:36.960
And now all of a sudden, it's like, oh, you don't want to answer any questions.
00:45:40.460
And he tells me that yesterday, Phil Lyman just calls him and he shouts at him.
00:45:46.440
Like, who the F do you think you are kind of a deal?
00:45:56.240
And so at that point, I was like, look, you've been great, Nick, but I don't want you being
00:46:00.140
I don't want you feeling comfortable in your own home.
00:46:01.740
I would like you to just remove yourself entirely from the boots on the ground elements
00:46:06.580
I don't think Phil is acting in a way that I perceive to be stable, given the fact that,
00:46:12.020
again, he inserted himself in this investigation.
00:46:14.420
And we're asking, this is my car on the street.
00:46:20.740
And now all of a sudden, you're showing up at 20 year old's house and you're being weird.
00:46:26.140
And I said, I could reach out to Phil directly by myself.
00:46:29.640
I reached out to both Phil and I reached out to his nephew, Shane, and I asked for them
00:46:36.600
Like I said, I was interested in who those individuals were because I couldn't find it
00:46:41.420
And in response, Shane immediately takes his profile private.
00:46:51.480
So I am now left in the predicament where I need to just ask the public, if you are one
00:46:58.080
of those two kids that are in the photos there, I would love to ask you some questions since
00:47:03.820
I mean, they even did the full video walking through where he walked.
00:47:08.680
And, you know, he said, my uncle, he even posted he posted Phil Lyman.
00:47:17.520
And now I'm like, okay, you could maybe, maybe you have something that's helpful.
00:47:21.680
I want to ask you about, could you send me that photo?
00:47:29.080
So unfortunately, because I need to figure out what happened on that day, I'm turning to
00:47:37.200
And anything else that you may know that may help put things together for us.
00:47:41.100
Again, please reserve the tips at CanadaZones.com for actual tips related to the questions that
00:47:45.520
we are asking, not for just comments, those sorts of things, videos that you'd like me
00:47:51.380
to watch, or things that you'd like to do to point me into a different direction.
00:47:54.500
Please just tag us on social media so that we can try to manage this process better.
00:48:00.540
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00:48:03.500
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Is it weird for a gubernatorial candidate to arrive at a 20-year-old's house?
00:49:28.120
And again, hopefully he will answer and he will just send me some videos and that will
00:49:34.940
be, yeah, that'll be a case closed and maybe he doesn't want to help anymore.
00:49:41.020
But you can insert yourself and then pretend you're under attack when people then go,
00:49:50.160
She writes, looking into the bullet made me think of the poisoned bullet when hit men
00:49:54.640
intentionally use a bullet to cause a lot of damage from tumbling and fragmentation.
00:49:58.780
This is done by keyholing the round to tumble or bounce into the body for internal damage
00:50:06.420
I'm super ignorant on the topic of ballistics and things that are actually done.
00:50:11.040
That is, I never even heard about keyholing, so thank you for sharing that.
00:50:14.060
Caitlin Derrigan writes, Candice, as a journalism student with an insatiable thirst for the
00:50:17.800
truth, you are a true model of real journalism.
00:50:19.880
I hope to one day get the chance to work with you.
00:50:23.320
May God continue to protect you and your family.
00:50:26.140
Yeah, I mean, my insatiable thirst is to figure out what happened that day.
00:50:29.040
My gut instinct is that this was a military operation based off everything that I've seen
00:50:34.380
and the lingering questions that I have and some other leads that we are working on.
00:50:39.040
And even when I was trying to find Miss Mike Mitchell, I could find the Mitchell family.
00:50:43.240
I don't know if it's his family, but the Mitchell name in that area was coming up for like Air
00:50:47.660
And so I, again, when I get into these places where I can't find any more information, I
00:50:55.080
But I find it very strange that you would protect somebody who's been on the force for 24 years.
00:50:59.500
You've always been a public figure, essentially.
00:51:01.620
And I think Brooksby has some nervous energy there when he's like, oh, he called me.
00:51:09.200
So why are you answering for something that nobody said?
00:51:13.940
Like when I saw Tiffany's interview, I just found it like most of you did to be odd, given
00:51:20.760
the fact that the hitman was still on the run, that you would bring your nieces there.
00:51:29.180
She has asked us repeatedly to send you guys to her Instagram, where she explains why they
00:51:39.280
And like I said, Phil Lyman was the one who got her the hit.
00:51:41.660
Or Phil Lyman's office, her sister, got her the hit on Good Morning America.
00:51:46.740
Kristen Theret writes, Candace, I am so sorry for the loss of your dear friend.
00:51:50.180
I agree that it's weird that the people closest to him are just moving on.
00:51:54.640
And you are the only one who is capable of unraveling the truth.
00:51:56.720
Yeah, and sadly, the people that I am in partnership with on Demanding More Answers are not even
00:52:06.660
And I'm on the left, maybe Max Blumenthal dropping.
00:52:13.980
Why is Max Blumenthal, who wasn't a friend of Charlie Kirk, more interested in what happened
00:52:17.720
to Charlie Kirk than the people closest to him?
00:52:23.980
They could, at the very least, name the donors, get a little bit of revenge, name the donors
00:52:37.440
Bitsy writes, the whole world is a stage used to hurdle the cattle in the direction that
00:52:49.860
My thoughts and prayers are with you as you find truth and also mourn a lost friend.
00:52:56.300
I really do believe praying protection over the people who are trying to discover what
00:53:05.200
I really do believe that everyone needs prayer and protection at this moment.
00:53:08.680
Cassie writes, many people I follow on social media have lost credibility with me because
00:53:13.420
I can't imagine calling Charlie a friend and not questioning any of this.
00:53:17.840
It's like, at the very least, I would expect them to get up there and be like, what's up with
00:53:27.960
And we're just going to, his legacy is going to be, we're just going to continue the organization
00:53:32.300
I mean, like I was thinking, if I'm Charlie and I'm looking down, I'm just like, what?
00:54:03.140
Like, I don't know, I don't think he's going to necessarily put you on a tour, try to help
00:54:08.300
you because he's not being very kind right now to this poor guy, Nick, who was like a
00:54:24.980
And then my producer has a note that there are a lot of comments asking about the microphone
00:54:29.600
Now, I, when I first saw the footage, thought as well that something came upward.
00:54:35.340
But when I looked at image from the side, the microphone is still on him afterwards.
00:54:40.780
It's like when you see it, it looks like it kind of disappears.
00:54:45.120
When you look at the perspective slightly to the left, you see that it actually stays on
00:54:52.800
Again, I don't know enough about weaponry to say that that's possible or not possible.
00:54:56.920
But I would imagine if anything did sling into him with that kind of a force, it would fall
00:55:05.180
There's another theory that I'm still looking into that has been presented that I think is
00:55:12.960
And I'm trying to play my cards close to my chest as I ask certain questions.
00:55:18.620
Probably we'll have more on that maybe tomorrow or the next day.
00:55:22.740
But yeah, I do think it's very weird that he was miked after he sat down.
00:55:31.160
That's never happened to me at a Turning Point event.
00:55:38.380
There's a lot of things that were being done for the first time that day.
00:55:42.340
And I'm going, I'm planning on revealing all of them, by the way.
00:55:46.020
I'm just waiting for everybody to like join me.