Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - Catastrophic Backlash !!

00:00:00.000 Okay, this is the funniest twist ever.

00:00:08.660 Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk. I'm C'est H.T. Floor, journalist, Hollywood truth teller

00:00:13.120 and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.

00:00:17.620 Okay, this is the funniest twist ever.

00:00:21.640 So it turns out that Blake Lively spent more money pursuing these Me Too fees,

00:00:29.000 these 47.1 fees that her attorneys bragged about last week, $407,000. She spent more money on her 0.97

00:00:39.000 lawyers trying to get those fees than she actually received back, which means she would be better off

00:00:46.620 if she never asked for those fees. And now it's even more funny to hear how Blake Lively's attorney,

00:00:52.720 Michael Gottlieb, talked about these fees just a couple of months ago. You got to wait and see

00:00:57.920 what we accomplished in our 47-1 before you write the final chapter of that book.

00:01:01.720 Let's look at how this interview did not age well.

00:01:05.120 Also, there is some new explosive evidence text messages in the Rebel Wilson case.

00:01:11.840 Now it almost looks like Justin Baldoni's biggest mistake was to hire Melissa Nason.

00:01:18.840 Let's get into that.

00:01:20.040 And also how Johnny Depp's lawyer, Camila Vesquez, is now on the opposite side of Melissa Nathan, who also, as you know, used to represent Johnny Depp.

00:01:32.740 This is a huge mess.

00:01:36.480 Okay, so this just made me laugh so hard when I saw it on Reddit.

00:01:40.300 Thanks to Orange Kirby, a Reddit user, who actually made me also look into this.

00:01:45.940 So this person said on Reddit that they looked through Exhibit B, which contains the billing records from Lively's fee request.

00:01:55.640 And they said that they used Chanty to P, Claude and Gemini to figure out how much money Blake Lively's attorneys billed Blake Lively for, for just creating this fee motion.

00:02:09.980 So you have to remember, this was the only thing that was left in the lawsuit after they made this settlement back in May.

00:02:17.260 And Blake's attorney said, as you know, that this was what it was all about.

00:02:21.820 It was never about money. It was about accountability, blah, blah, blah.

00:02:27.180 And now it turns out this is really funny because, as you know, Blake asked for eight million dollars and she got four hundred and seven thousand dollars.

00:02:35.620 So the question is, how much money did actually Blake spend on asking for these attorney's fees?

00:02:42.760 And it turns out it's $434,000.

00:02:47.660 I also did my own research on this, putting all of this through AI as well.

00:02:52.920 In June only, Wilkie, this one attorney firm, charged over $200,000 in different services.

00:03:02.420 So that was in June. So meaning that this was after the settlement. And they marked about $61,000 as 47.1 entries and another $173,000 was spent on damages consultants. So when you put that together, it is $434,000.

00:03:25.880 isn't that just funny and her lawyers are like this is what it's all about you know so what it's

00:03:32.740 all about really is that if you ask for these attorney's fees the money you spend on asking

00:03:38.480 for these attorney's fees is the money you might get back not even all of that you might get back

00:03:43.820 especially if you hire really expensive firms like Blake Lively did obviously so yeah if you

00:03:49.460 ever wonder who the winners are here ask why Gottlieb and Ezra Hudson Blake's main attorneys

00:03:55.440 I bet you they just got some new amazing vacation homes somewhere in the world.

00:04:00.760 Anyways, talking about Mike Gottlieb.

00:04:03.300 Remember this interview that he did with Matt Bellany a few months ago?

00:04:07.080 This is about three months ago, just after they settled.

00:04:10.440 And Matt, who's the host of the podcast, The Town,

00:04:13.680 asked some really good questions to Michael Gottlieb.

00:04:17.260 He really put him on the spot.

00:04:19.000 I shared parts of this interview before, but now looking at it again,

00:04:23.060 it is even funnier.

00:04:24.920 So I just wanted to share a couple of small moments with you guys. One is when Matt Bellany is asking him if it's really worth it, you know, spending about 30 million dollars on attorneys to just shed a light on these alleged smear campaigns.

00:04:42.680 so as you know Blake Lively's attorneys also came forward and said that she's not doing this only

00:04:47.820 for herself she's doing this for everyone else who might also experience being victims of smear

00:04:53.760 campaigns and then Michael Gottlieb said this there has been an absolute Streisand effect

00:05:00.040 in this case you know I know you're going to say it's all worth it but you got to understand when

00:05:07.600 reasonable people look at this case and say, why? Why did she initiate this case?

00:05:14.860 So I don't actually think the data supports what you're saying. And what I mean by that is what

00:05:20.180 the data supports, and this came out in expert reports in our case, is that the reaction to

00:05:25.960 Ms. Lively bringing this lawsuit was positive. When that sentiment changed.

00:05:30.920 Amongst who? Amongst her agents at William Morris?

00:05:33.440 No, overwhelmingly in the public. What it shows is that that began to shift after the Wayfair parties filed their defamation lawsuit. And they went out on a press tour branding her as a liar in the press.

00:05:44.440 Yeah, of course, he didn't answer the question. But he also said that the reactions to Blake Lively bringing the lawsuit were positive. And then he said it only changed when Justin Boldoni and the Wayfair parties came out and sued her for defamation, because then Brian Friedman labeled her a liar.

00:06:04.960 And in his logic here, the public only changed their minds because Brian Friedman said that Blake Lively is a liar.

00:06:16.100 He's not even playing with the idea that we as the public actually saw the evidence that contradicted what Blake Lively had said to begin with.

00:06:26.040 And that's why we made up our minds like, oh, this is not true. 0.97

00:06:29.740 Blake Lively is a liar.

00:06:31.620 No, that's impossible. 0.97

00:06:33.080 So here is my question to this logic. If the public just ate up what Brian Friedman said that Blake Lively was a liar, why didn't they eat it up when Michael Gottlieb, Blake's attorney, came out and said, hey, they filed this frivolous retaliatory sham lawsuit and everything they say about my client is not true.

00:06:56.940 why did no one believe him when he said that and by the way he said that that lawsuit was frivolous

00:07:04.120 retaliatory and a sham lawsuit that was never proven that is a big fat lie because the judge

00:07:12.180 only dismissed justin baloney and the wayfair party's lawsuit due to technicalities basically

00:07:18.260 that he wasn't allowed to sue her for defamation because she sued him first for shed anyways his

00:07:24.560 logic makes no sense because why didn't people come back then and support Blake Lively when that

00:07:29.840 lawsuit was dismissed? If it was frivolous and the sham lawsuit, why was no one listening to

00:07:36.000 Michael Gottlieb when he told them so? Anyways, that's the question I would like to ask Michael

00:07:41.400 Gottlieb if I ever got to interview him. Anyways, Bellamy continues to pressure, put pressure on

00:07:46.700 Gottlieb here saying, you know, this was just this turn into a big circus. Why would she want to do

00:07:52.040 something like that and why would you recommend anyone else to do something like that she spent 1.00

00:07:56.000 so much money on this lawsuit and she basically just ruined her own reputation in the making so

00:08:01.820 why would anyone else follow in her footstep and then Gottlieb says this so like the lesson from

00:08:08.660 this case isn't it that you have to think really really hard before you initiate a case like this

00:08:16.300 If you are a major celebrity and you have brand businesses and a film career and you want that to be what people know about you, not the back and forth bombs being dropped.

00:08:30.440 I think you got to wait and see what we accomplish in our 47-1 before you write the final chapter of that book.

00:08:35.260 But not much left to do in this particular aspect of litigation except for quantify the damage that's been done to her.

00:08:43.020 And I think that when that process unfolds, you're going to see a powerful tool of accountability that will shine a light for others that face this kind of problem.

00:08:51.400 Yeah, you have to wait and see what 47.1 gives us.

00:08:55.000 Isn't that funny now when we know that it only gave them what they actually spent on trying to get them?

00:09:01.320 I mean, and while we're at it, I just had to point out another big lie from Michael Gottlieb in this interview.

00:09:07.940 so remember just last week or is it two weeks ago maybe now that jed wallace this guy in texas that

00:09:15.900 blake's accusing to be the brain behind the untraceable smear machine he wanted to depose

00:09:21.200 blake lively because she's asking for eight hundred thousand dollars in attorney's fees

00:09:26.040 from him and he said you know uh we should have the right to depose her because it's our right 0.87

00:09:32.320 to find out if she sued us with malice, if she knew that what she was suing us for was 0.98

00:09:38.780 untrue.

00:09:39.920 And as you know, the other lawsuit from the Wayfair parties was dismissed because Blake

00:09:44.680 Lively had sued them for S-Age.

00:09:47.020 She couldn't sue Jed Wallace for S-Age.

00:09:49.580 She never met the guy and she admits that he never S-Aged her.

00:09:52.960 But as you also know, Blake refused to sit down for a deposition with him.

00:09:59.460 And this is just a reminder of what her attorney said just a couple of months ago.

00:10:05.460 Sure. I mean, Blake Lively has already testified under oath at a deposition in this case.

00:10:10.400 She sat for seven hours and answered every question that was asked of her truthfully and effectively.

00:10:15.280 So if she's called to testify, whether in that case or any other, she's, of course, going to comply with that legal process.

00:10:22.160 And she's going to testify truthfully, effectively, without fear.

00:10:25.960 I mean, she has nothing to, absolutely nothing to hide.

00:10:30.040 Yeah, she would sit down for any of these other cases and she would testify truthfully, as she has done so far.

00:10:37.680 Yeah, right. 0.74

00:10:38.300 We know that she was caught in perjury in her own testimony already.

00:10:43.000 And we know that even her own attorneys were doing research on perjury.

00:10:49.080 because we could see it from their billing system that actually researched if their client commits

00:10:54.880 perjury and what would happen anyways this mess is never ending and talking about that let's look

00:11:00.940 into this new explosive evidence these text messages in the rebel wilson case this looks

00:11:07.440 really really bad for melissa nathan and let's look at how johnny depp's attorney is now

00:11:13.120 representing the other side of the Rebel Wilson case against Melissa who she was teaming up with

00:11:20.240 in the Johnny Depp case. All of this makes me believe that hiring Melissa Nathan was Justin

00:11:26.300 Baldoni's biggest mistake. But before we get into that I wanted to send a big thank you to the

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00:13:06.440 into it. As you know there is another big lawsuit going on in Hollywood right now with a lot of the

00:13:12.640 same players involved. That's the Rebel Wilson case where her producer Amanda Ghost is accusing

00:13:18.960 her of creating a smear campaign against her. And now there's been new evidence, text messages

00:13:26.220 just revealed where it is a conversation between Melissa Nathan and Rebel Wilson talking about a

00:13:35.640 smear website. And the price for this smear website, according to these text messages,

00:13:41.580 were $110,000. At first, it's quite funny because at first, Melissa Nathan tells Rebel Wilson that 0.91

00:13:50.420 it's going to be $110. And Rebel's like, oh, that's it? And then Melissa was like, I mean,

00:13:55.640 sorry, I mean, $110,000. Both Melissa Nathan and Rebel Wilson are showed these text messages

00:14:02.760 in their deposition. And Rebel Wilson can't really recall that she had this conversation

00:14:09.840 with melissa nason and but melissa nason says yes this happened this conversation was going on

00:14:17.580 now we don't have the invoice for that hundred and ten thousand dollars so we don't know

00:14:24.160 if rebel actually paid a hundred and ten thousand dollars but now amanda goes this producer

00:14:30.520 has asked tag the company melissa nason works for to give them their invoices so we could find out 1.00

00:14:39.400 soon if this actually took place or not. This smear website that was allegedly made about Amanda 1.00

00:14:46.120 Ghost contains some really damaging information about Amanda Ghost. They were basically trying

00:14:53.880 to harm her and her reputation as much as possible. And there is also a voice memo from

00:15:00.280 Jed Wallace where he talks about the content of this smear website that was released a while ago

00:15:07.180 And that does not put him in a great light.

00:15:10.280 So this is really messy for Rebel Wilson, obviously.

00:15:15.160 And it also makes Justin Baldoni look bad because he worked with the same people.

00:15:21.920 He also worked with Melissa Nathan and with Jed Wallace.

00:15:26.360 And of course, Blake Lively used this to make him look guilty by association. 0.70

00:15:30.320 Rebel Wilson also has already testified that she never paid to create a website.

00:15:36.460 she denies all these allegations but this is where it gets really interesting because this

00:15:42.600 producer Amanda Ghost hired Johnny Depp's lawyer to represent her maybe you remember Camila Vasquez

00:15:51.740 she became really famous during the Depp versus Heard case and in that lawsuit she said that

00:16:00.080 Johnny Depp never created a smear campaign against Amber Heard. As you know, Amber Heard also accused

00:16:09.140 Johnny of making a smear campaign against her. She accused him of using bots, and she also said that

00:16:17.420 he spread negative information about her online. And Blake Lively has also used that case to say,

00:16:24.700 hey look Melissa Nathan was involved there as well of course she did the same to Amber Heard

00:16:31.000 as she did to me so this creates the perfect illusion for Blake Wiley of course that the

00:16:37.020 same thing happened to her but the interesting thing is the attorney here Camila Vasquez not 0.84

00:16:41.900 too long ago was defending Johnny Depp against accusations of smear machines or smear campaigns 0.98

00:16:49.100 and now she's on the other side now she is accusing Melissa Nathan who she used to agree with

00:16:58.200 in the Johnny Depp case now she's accusing her of smearing someone and I believe that there is a lot

00:17:06.840 of shadiness going on here and one thing and I've mentioned this before but I wanted to mention it

00:17:13.500 again. This is where I started questioning Melissa Nathan. There was an article that dropped in the

00:17:21.340 middle of the mess surrounding the premier evidence with us, an article where it was leaked that

00:17:28.520 Justin Baldoni had just hired Melissa Nathan. And in text messages between his team, we could see

00:17:37.340 that Justin Baldoni was really upset about this he did not want to be associated with the same team

00:17:44.880 that allegedly smeared Amber Heard because he thought it made him look guilty so he was really

00:17:52.720 furious about that and Melissa Nathan also told him yeah this is bad and I'm so sorry that this

00:17:58.040 happened I don't know how it could happen blah blah blah but in Discovery we could see a conversation

00:18:04.540 that Melissa Nathan had with some of her friends and from that conversation we could learn that

00:18:12.120 Melissa Nathan had talked about her cool new client to some of her friends one of these friends

00:18:19.040 were Amy Josic who said in a text message that I told our friend Josh that Melissa is boss and has

00:18:27.700 a cool client. She then explained that Josh told his wife, a prominent publicist, and Sarah

00:18:35.200 somehow told the Hollywood Reporter, and now they're doing a story on Mel. And there were

00:18:43.180 also text messages between these people that when this article dropped in the Hollywood Reporter,

00:18:49.860 they were celebrating it. And Justin Baldoni were shown these text messages in his own deposition.

00:18:56.740 and he's asked by the attorney here were you aware that melissa nason had spoken on background

00:19:03.120 with the hollywood before reported before publication and he's like i was not and he's

00:19:08.360 shown here uh when this group thought talks about you know celebrating that this article hit

00:19:14.920 and he the attorney is saying do you see that and then what ashley says oh that's really good mel

00:19:20.240 and then amy lower below says you're going to hear from all the problematic men

00:19:26.040 Dickie Pickapalooza. Ashley says, men are always the problem. You're in the right game. Do you see 0.60

00:19:32.640 that? And Justin says, yes, I do. And the attorney says, what do you think of this, seeing it now?

00:19:40.300 And Justin says, I think it sounds like a group of female friends talking to each other about an

00:19:44.680 article. Are you pleased to be lumped in among Melissa's friends with a group of all the

00:19:49.440 problematic men that needs Melissa's help? And he's saying, I would hope that they weren't

00:19:54.820 thinking i was one of the problematic men but that she's she was going to hear from all of the

00:20:00.160 problematic men then it says dicker picker palooza so whatever that means anyways they go on and on

00:20:07.300 and pressuring him here to say something bad about melissa and he never actually does which i mean i

00:20:13.580 think is incredible and again it just shows what kind of person justin baldone is and also keep in

00:20:20.780 mind what Leslie Sloan said in her deposition. She basically said that the moment Justin Baldoni

00:20:28.900 hired Melissa Nathan, he was guilty by association. She said, you don't need to prove a smear campaign

00:20:35.080 basically because he hired Melissa Nathan. So that says everything. This is exactly what she said in

00:20:40.700 her deposition. I'm not assuming that he's guilty. She said, Melissa Nathan did share with me on a

00:20:47.800 phone call that she was hired to come in and clean his mess up that he was lucky to have her he did 0.97

00:20:54.840 some stupid things so yeah isn't it also really interesting how melissa nathan and leslie sloan 0.97

00:21:04.840 like are on the phone with each other constantly they're on the opposite side where were they even 0.98

00:21:09.800 talking to each other so yeah melissa nathan also told leslie sloan she had been hired and as we

00:21:17.680 know from earlier text messages Justin Baldoni actually thought that it was Blake Lively's team

00:21:22.740 who had leaked to the Hollywood Reporter that he had hired Melissa Nathan and then it turns out

00:21:28.540 it came from Melissa Nathan herself and she was not being honest with him and I think for Justin

00:21:34.320 to learn this at the point he did during his own deposition I mean I can't even imagine what that

00:21:40.940 must have felt like for him so I think as soon as Blake Lively's team learned that Justin had hired

00:21:46.500 Melissa Nathan, they started believing that he's definitely creating a smear campaign against

00:21:54.100 Blake. And as you know, the New York Times ate up this narrative as well, this illusion

00:22:01.020 of a smear website, this illusion of a smear campaign, because it made so much sense. Because

00:22:07.700 look at what Melissa Nathan has been accused of earlier. Of course, she must be guilty of doing 1.00

00:22:13.840 the same thing as she's been accused of doing for other clients. And that's why I believe that for

00:22:20.120 Justin Baldoni to hire Melissa Nathan really harmed him so much. And I'm sure he kind of regrets

00:22:27.800 doing that. As I've mentioned before, they used the same strategy against me when they also said

00:22:34.300 that I was connected to Melissa Nathan because I had posted my interview with Johnny Depp with a

00:22:40.640 hashtag justice for Johnny and Melissa Nathan also represented Johnny Depp. So that's obviously

00:22:46.940 how Blake's team operated in trying to connect the dots here. The only big problem for Blake

00:22:53.360 Lively is that she could never, never prove that anything like this happened to her. And I think

00:23:00.000 the biggest evidence that we have against Blake's narrative is Justin Baldoni's character. He would

00:23:06.660 never from everything that we've seen from all the communications with him and his team and all

00:23:14.420 the other evidence that came out about this case Justin Baldoni never wanted to harm Blake Lively

00:23:20.840 and that's just the way it is so even though he hired this team it never proved anything yeah so

00:23:28.980 it's going to be interesting to see what happens next in the Rebel Wilson case I will keep you all

00:23:33.640 posted and as you know there's a lot of new exhibits coming out in the Jen Abel versus

00:23:39.420 Stephanie Jones the publicists are suing each other as well a lot of more interesting stuff

00:23:44.540 coming out there and of course this big new unsealing that the judge promised us in the

00:23:50.040 Blake Lively versus the Wayfair parties case so please stay tuned everyone I wanted to end this

00:23:56.840 episode with this really funny image that Tanya sent me thank you so much for sending me this

00:24:01.840 So she watched my episode on Friday where I showed a little glimpse of Blake Lively being on this baking show with Prue Lees.

00:24:09.360 So Prue Lees was interviewed and she said that Blake Lively was amazing.

00:24:13.240 She was so sweet and the crew loved her and all of that, blah, blah, blah.

00:24:16.420 But anyways, she noticed on this picture that she sent me that Blake Lively was holding the lemon squeezer the wrong way.

00:24:25.720 She doesn't know how to use a lemon squeezer.

00:24:28.380 And I thought that was really funny, too.

00:24:29.900 you're supposed to turn the lemon around so actually the juice comes out through the the

00:24:35.600 holes at the other side of this lemon squeezer and Blake Lively was using it the wrong way

00:24:41.260 and Tanya says this is like Meghan Markle and the jam bottle tongs being held upside down

00:24:47.320 it's really funny thank you so much for sharing that Tanya and thank you again to my executive

00:24:54.120 producer back here Oscar it's been a really messy morning here because the neighbor is

00:24:59.100 renovating their bathroom so I had to go over and ask if they could just be quiet for a little bit

00:25:04.200 and then there was a delivery in the middle of this podcast so if there's anything that doesn't

00:25:08.480 make sense I'm really sorry about that because I had to turn it on and off a few times but anyways

00:25:13.000 I couldn't have done it without this guy obviously Oscar is resting after a busy weekend and gearing

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Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - August 31, 2026

Catastrophic Backlash !!

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