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00:00:13.100 It's time for Tim's.

00:00:15.100 But at that point, we didn't know that much.

00:00:18.500 But Taylor started freaking out.

00:00:21.720 Yeah, we floss some talk.

00:00:26.240 Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk.

00:00:27.700 I'm Saskia Floor, journalist, Hollywood truth teller

00:00:30.160 and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.

00:00:34.540 The internet is turning on Taylor Swift.

00:00:37.640 Her fans are devastated right now.

00:00:40.260 The comment section on her video canceled is blowing up.

00:00:45.300 Let's get into that.

00:00:46.940 And we also have to talk about when things started getting sour

00:00:50.100 between her and Blake

00:00:51.560 and how her own definition of her song canceled

00:00:54.800 is now coming back to bite her in the butt.

00:00:58.780 There's also been new video evidence.

00:01:01.900 This is from the birthing scene

00:01:04.660 where Blake Lively said she was so humiliated.

00:01:08.680 And again, as we've learned so many times in this case,

00:01:11.840 when the video evidence comes out,

00:01:14.400 Blake Lively's case collapses.

00:01:16.880 Also, let's look more into those text messages

00:01:19.540 that Blake Lively sent to a Sony executive

00:01:22.440 to convince them and manipulate them

00:01:25.660 into letting her choose another director of the movie

00:01:30.440 and he's not even mentioned in the credits.

00:01:33.560 And also how she's thanking him

00:01:35.420 from the bottom of her cold, cold heart.

00:01:39.260 We also now have the subpoena from Van Zand,

00:01:43.480 that shell company that Blake Lively

00:01:45.760 and Ryan Reynolds owned,

00:01:47.700 the one that they used to get hold of Jennifer Abel,

00:01:52.280 Justin Baldoni's publicist phone, legally

00:01:55.940 so that they could get the content of that

00:01:58.880 and give it to the New York Times

00:02:00.880 so they could write this story

00:02:02.680 to ruin Justin Baldoni's life.

00:02:04.760 This is really serious

00:02:06.260 and this is terrible for the New York Times.

00:02:10.800 Okay, so let's talk about Taylor Swift again.

00:02:13.240 So I mentioned the other day

00:02:15.180 that people now think that her song Canceled

00:02:18.600 was a tribute to Blake

00:02:21.040 where she was actually trashing Justin Baldoni.

00:02:24.640 And now it's kind of ironic

00:02:27.280 when you look at the comment section

00:02:29.080 on that video on YouTube,

00:02:31.500 everyone trashing Taylor Swift,

00:02:33.520 telling her how disappointed they are in her.

00:02:37.100 People are saying things like,

00:02:38.580 I can't believe I went to her Aeros concert twice

00:02:41.660 and bought so many vinyls

00:02:43.080 because I thought she was a nice person.

00:02:45.300 I won't be doing that anymore.

00:02:46.940 I'm going to stop listening to her music.

00:02:49.420 It hits differently now.

00:02:51.220 And here's another one.

00:02:52.300 What you did broke me.

00:02:53.740 I idolized you for years

00:02:55.820 only to find that you do not stand up

00:02:57.820 against bullies and aggressors.

00:02:59.400 In fact, you mocked real S-age victims.

00:03:04.240 And another one is saying,

00:03:05.460 Kimmy K, talking about Kim Kardashian,

00:03:07.700 was right about this girl all along.

00:03:10.040 We owe Kim an apology.

00:03:12.120 And here's another one.

00:03:12.960 Been a fan for a long time.

00:03:14.680 That ends today.

00:03:15.880 Didn't even want to believe Kim K was right about you.

00:03:19.660 What a snake.

00:03:21.580 You need to apologize.

00:03:24.120 It's so fascinating to me

00:03:25.860 how she wrote this song

00:03:27.080 about a friend or friends being cancelled

00:03:29.940 and now it's being used against her

00:03:32.780 and people are saying

00:03:34.080 that she should be cancelled.

00:03:35.980 What a boomerang this turned out to be for Taylor.

00:03:39.060 And now looking back

00:03:40.280 at Taylor talking about this song herself

00:03:43.060 is so confusing.

00:03:45.380 Just listen to what she's saying here on stage

00:03:47.500 when she's introducing this song

00:03:49.080 to some of her fans.

00:03:50.620 Anytime like people get backlash,

00:03:52.420 I tend to get to be the person

00:03:53.840 they reach out to.

00:03:54.880 So it's very funny

00:03:56.700 because it's just sort of like,

00:03:58.640 oh yeah, okay.

00:03:59.940 Yeah, no, somebody told me

00:04:01.340 that you got in trouble

00:04:02.240 for making that joke.

00:04:03.380 Hey, yeah, how are you doing?

00:04:04.340 It's going to be fine.

00:04:05.000 You're going to be fine.

00:04:05.660 You want to go to lunch?

00:04:06.440 Yeah, it's fine.

00:04:09.680 I don't know.

00:04:10.400 I kind of wanted to write a song

00:04:11.700 about how you can become wiser for it

00:04:14.460 and how you can become sharper

00:04:15.680 and you can like,

00:04:17.240 I definitely judge people a lot less

00:04:19.980 now that I've been kind of

00:04:22.660 under the microscope for so long.

00:04:24.360 I just judge people

00:04:25.140 based on who I know them to be,

00:04:27.560 their actions,

00:04:28.600 not like some sort of general consensus

00:04:30.820 where people are like,

00:04:32.040 step away, they're radioactive.

00:04:33.720 I'm just like not going to do that.

00:04:34.820 I'm going to do that

00:04:35.380 if somebody proves

00:04:36.080 that they're not a good person.

00:04:37.320 Yes, at this point,

00:04:38.820 she wasn't friends with Blake anymore.

00:04:41.700 Remember, they broke up

00:04:43.300 a while before this album came out

00:04:47.000 and we realized

00:04:48.480 that she wrote this album

00:04:50.360 before they actually broke up.

00:04:53.780 So now we realize

00:04:55.700 that this song was about Blake

00:04:58.000 and about Justin

00:04:59.080 and the way she's explaining it afterwards

00:05:02.260 doesn't make much sense

00:05:03.660 because then she'd already broken up

00:05:05.300 with Blake

00:05:06.140 and she's saying that

00:05:07.460 I'm not going to do that

00:05:09.980 unless somebody proves

00:05:11.200 that they're a bad person.

00:05:13.840 And of course,

00:05:14.980 Blake lively proved to her

00:05:16.600 to be a bad person

00:05:17.760 and that's probably why they broke up.

00:05:20.660 But now we also know

00:05:21.980 that she is probably a bad person.

00:05:24.300 So it's all really messy right now

00:05:27.040 and I feel like now

00:05:28.180 we're starting to get

00:05:29.260 the bigger picture here

00:05:30.520 of what happened.

00:05:31.920 So this is what I think happened

00:05:33.760 between Taylor and Blake.

00:05:35.380 As you know,

00:05:36.640 Taylor was there for Blake

00:05:38.100 until that article dropped

00:05:40.400 in the New York Times

00:05:41.420 and she supported that

00:05:43.020 and she forwarded

00:05:44.140 even text messages to Blake

00:05:45.720 saying,

00:05:46.060 you won.

00:05:47.340 Congratulations.

00:05:48.680 Ryan was also on that group text

00:05:50.560 by the way

00:05:51.180 and she even forwarded

00:05:52.540 a story where it said

00:05:53.840 that Justin Baldoni

00:05:54.840 had been dropped

00:05:55.680 by his talent agency

00:05:57.160 and they were celebrating that.

00:05:59.620 But then

00:06:00.280 something happened.

00:06:02.560 Justin Baldoni

00:06:03.760 sued back.

00:06:05.960 He sued

00:06:06.940 Blake lively,

00:06:08.600 Ryan Reynolds,

00:06:09.720 the New York Times

00:06:10.740 and Blake's publicist

00:06:12.860 and because of that,

00:06:15.060 Taylor Swift got dragged

00:06:16.620 into the conversation.

00:06:19.300 We already knew

00:06:20.140 at that point

00:06:20.940 that Blake had said

00:06:21.980 Taylor had been there for her

00:06:24.200 throughout this whole process

00:06:25.540 and she couldn't have done it

00:06:26.660 without her.

00:06:27.300 So we know that Blake

00:06:28.720 is the one

00:06:29.360 who initially dragged Taylor

00:06:31.300 into it.

00:06:32.020 But when Justin filed back,

00:06:34.480 people started speculating

00:06:36.200 about Taylor's role

00:06:37.720 and it's so clear to me

00:06:39.220 that neither Blake,

00:06:40.780 Taylor or Ryan

00:06:42.100 could not in their

00:06:43.540 wildest imagination

00:06:44.980 think that Justin

00:06:47.420 and the wayfair parties

00:06:48.800 would sue them back.

00:06:50.480 They never thought

00:06:51.860 this information

00:06:52.840 would go public

00:06:54.380 and what Justin did

00:06:55.700 was so smart

00:06:56.660 because we wouldn't have

00:06:57.700 known all of this

00:06:58.980 if he would only

00:07:00.160 have defended himself

00:07:01.340 against Blake lively's lawsuit.

00:07:03.000 Due to the fact

00:07:04.060 that he sued her back

00:07:05.660 and the New York Times back,

00:07:07.060 all of his evidence

00:07:08.140 that he had at that point

00:07:09.440 over a year ago

00:07:10.700 became public

00:07:12.180 and we started seeing

00:07:13.340 the real picture here.

00:07:14.860 Now we have

00:07:15.840 a much fuller picture

00:07:17.120 because of all the evidence

00:07:18.700 that came out

00:07:19.940 from Discovery

00:07:20.760 but at that point

00:07:22.380 we didn't know that much

00:07:24.340 but Taylor

00:07:25.200 started freaking out

00:07:27.340 and this is when

00:07:29.220 it started going sour

00:07:30.660 between them

00:07:31.320 because she's like

00:07:32.260 I'm not willing

00:07:33.240 to sacrifice

00:07:33.980 my reputation here

00:07:35.640 for your lawsuit, Blake.

00:07:37.880 You need to fix this.

00:07:39.620 And Blake was like

00:07:40.400 oh, I'm sorry

00:07:41.160 I never meant that to happen

00:07:42.720 and Taylor's like

00:07:44.260 you better fix this

00:07:45.280 or I can't be your friend anymore.

00:07:47.400 And then

00:07:47.840 we know that Blake

00:07:49.080 put pressure on Taylor

00:07:50.320 asking her

00:07:51.240 to come out publicly

00:07:52.940 and support her.

00:07:53.940 She didn't want to do that.

00:07:54.920 She didn't want to be

00:07:55.460 a part of this

00:07:56.140 and then

00:07:57.020 this is what I think.

00:07:58.420 I think Ryan Reynolds

00:07:59.660 put pressure

00:08:00.440 on Travis Kelsey too.

00:08:02.260 And that's why

00:08:03.240 Travis Kelsey

00:08:03.940 unfollowed him

00:08:04.940 on Instagram.

00:08:06.120 That's why Travis Kelsey

00:08:07.180 did a very passive-aggressive thing

00:08:08.860 that he knew

00:08:09.700 the media would pick up on

00:08:11.120 and he unfollowed Ryan.

00:08:12.880 Side note there

00:08:13.720 I just read

00:08:14.500 a text message

00:08:15.440 from Justin Baldoni

00:08:17.240 he was in a group text

00:08:18.300 and he told his publicist

00:08:19.740 I think that

00:08:20.360 you know

00:08:21.080 Ryan has now

00:08:22.320 unblocked

00:08:23.480 me and Emily

00:08:24.420 because he wants

00:08:25.200 to spy on us

00:08:26.420 on Instagram.

00:08:27.320 So

00:08:27.480 first Ryan

00:08:28.480 had blocked him

00:08:29.620 of course

00:08:30.620 and then

00:08:31.380 he unblocked him

00:08:32.560 to spy on him

00:08:34.000 because Justin was like

00:08:35.180 now I can get into

00:08:36.380 his profile

00:08:37.620 I couldn't even

00:08:38.540 find him before

00:08:39.440 which is what happens

00:08:40.300 when someone blocks you.

00:08:41.680 How childish

00:08:42.360 is Ryan Reynolds?

00:08:43.880 And I can't believe

00:08:44.780 all this time

00:08:45.580 he has on his hands

00:08:46.880 to do this kind of stuff.

00:08:48.000 He runs all these businesses

00:08:49.200 and he still has time

00:08:50.860 to follow

00:08:51.540 unfollow

00:08:52.140 and do all these

00:08:53.140 passive-aggressive moves

00:08:54.560 on Instagram.

00:08:55.600 I mean

00:08:56.140 yeah

00:08:57.020 isn't that interesting?

00:08:58.640 Well let me know

00:08:59.260 what you think

00:08:59.900 when do you think

00:09:00.720 that Taylor and Blake

00:09:01.760 had their major fallout?

00:09:03.080 What was the breaking point

00:09:04.480 of their relationship?

00:09:06.440 Okay

00:09:06.760 so let's look at

00:09:07.640 this new video evidence

00:09:08.960 the birthing video

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00:10:42.440 All right

00:10:42.900 let's get back into it.

00:10:44.300 So this was just

00:10:45.300 made public

00:10:46.080 in the Great Unsealing.

00:10:48.060 I love videos

00:10:49.080 because there's no doubt

00:10:50.320 about what's going on

00:10:51.400 in a video.

00:10:52.180 You have your own eyes.

00:10:53.600 You are a witness

00:10:54.460 but still

00:10:55.440 it's been so interesting

00:10:57.020 to follow Blake Lively's

00:10:58.400 team's logic

00:10:59.320 and how they're

00:11:00.420 explaining to us

00:11:01.460 what we're actually

00:11:02.180 seeing in the videos

00:11:03.280 that we are seeing

00:11:04.120 with our own eyes

00:11:05.020 and that's what

00:11:05.860 they've been doing

00:11:06.380 here as well.

00:11:07.140 So now we have the video

00:11:08.320 that Blake Lively said

00:11:09.900 was so humiliating

00:11:11.480 to her.

00:11:12.560 So she did this

00:11:13.320 birthing scene

00:11:14.000 and it ends with us.

00:11:15.240 She knew there was

00:11:15.940 a birthing scene

00:11:16.800 when she signed up

00:11:17.820 to do this movie

00:11:18.720 and for some reason

00:11:19.740 I think she expected

00:11:20.640 to wear like pants

00:11:21.660 or something

00:11:22.240 when she was giving birth

00:11:23.660 in this scene.

00:11:25.300 She has given birth

00:11:26.480 to four children

00:11:27.300 but obviously

00:11:28.160 she was really surprised

00:11:29.840 that she wouldn't

00:11:31.860 cover her legs

00:11:32.900 when she was giving birth

00:11:34.220 in this scene.

00:11:35.400 So in Blake's complaint

00:11:36.720 she's saying

00:11:38.420 that she was basically

00:11:39.760 nude in this scene

00:11:40.920 and it was so uncomfortable

00:11:42.020 for her.

00:11:43.480 And now when we see

00:11:44.440 the video

00:11:45.040 she is wearing

00:11:46.580 a hospital gown

00:11:47.820 covering up

00:11:49.580 most of her upper body

00:11:51.540 what we see

00:11:52.760 is a prosthetic tummy.

00:11:55.380 It's fake.

00:11:56.380 It's on top

00:11:57.020 of her own tummy

00:11:58.000 so we don't even

00:11:59.040 see her own tummy

00:12:00.400 and she's also

00:12:02.460 wearing some

00:12:03.240 black wreaths

00:12:04.520 underneath.

00:12:05.440 Like how can you

00:12:06.160 possibly wear

00:12:07.440 more clothing

00:12:08.440 in a birthing scene

00:12:09.300 than that?

00:12:10.320 Isn't it just amazing

00:12:11.780 how she's twisting

00:12:12.840 these things?

00:12:13.780 She's also saying

00:12:14.780 in her complaint though

00:12:15.740 that there were people

00:12:16.600 there walking past

00:12:18.260 all the time

00:12:19.040 when she was laying there

00:12:20.280 and she felt

00:12:21.140 so powerless

00:12:22.520 in the situation.

00:12:24.220 We also have to remember

00:12:25.380 that Blake took

00:12:26.340 full control

00:12:27.460 over wardrobe

00:12:28.440 and according

00:12:29.480 to her own letter

00:12:30.540 to PGA

00:12:31.460 the Producers Guild

00:12:32.460 of America

00:12:33.160 she took control

00:12:34.620 over everything

00:12:35.560 so why

00:12:36.880 if she was

00:12:37.400 uncomfortable

00:12:38.020 like that

00:12:38.820 why didn't

00:12:40.040 she take control

00:12:41.020 of the situation

00:12:42.100 when she chose

00:12:43.480 what to wear

00:12:44.260 in every other scene

00:12:46.040 in this movie

00:12:47.120 we know that

00:12:48.360 she spent

00:12:49.260 $650,000

00:12:51.200 on wardrobe

00:12:52.320 she went like

00:12:53.140 $400,000

00:12:54.080 over budget

00:12:55.040 and she's complaining

00:12:56.520 about this scene

00:12:57.520 like that

00:12:58.100 it's so

00:12:59.020 dumb.

00:13:00.200 Okay so I also

00:13:00.900 wanted to mention

00:13:01.480 this text message

00:13:02.360 that Blake sent

00:13:03.300 to Sony

00:13:04.180 when she was

00:13:05.460 editing her own

00:13:06.420 version of the movie

00:13:07.480 we know now

00:13:08.620 how hard

00:13:09.820 she fought

00:13:10.740 to get her

00:13:12.040 version of the movie

00:13:13.280 out

00:13:13.720 and what I've

00:13:14.740 seen from

00:13:15.300 all the text

00:13:16.080 messages

00:13:16.460 that she's

00:13:17.140 sending to

00:13:17.680 people at

00:13:18.420 Sony

00:13:18.760 any executive

00:13:19.620 there

00:13:19.980 WME

00:13:20.540 anyone

00:13:21.420 all her

00:13:22.120 famous friends

00:13:23.000 she can't

00:13:24.140 stop

00:13:24.760 flattering

00:13:25.580 them

00:13:26.140 and it's

00:13:27.020 so manipulative

00:13:28.240 and that's

00:13:28.840 exactly what

00:13:29.620 she's doing

00:13:30.080 here

00:13:30.520 again she's

00:13:31.560 doing 99%

00:13:32.800 of the talking

00:13:33.580 which is amazing

00:13:34.440 I mean how

00:13:35.280 does she have

00:13:35.660 time to write

00:13:36.360 all this stuff

00:13:36.960 it's like she's

00:13:37.600 writing a whole

00:13:38.140 novel every time

00:13:39.080 she sits down

00:13:39.700 to write a text

00:13:40.500 she's saying

00:13:41.380 here to Sony

00:13:42.120 executive

00:13:42.720 hi this trailer

00:13:43.960 lands so much

00:13:44.740 better to me

00:13:45.580 of course it's

00:13:46.140 hers

00:13:46.380 there are a few

00:13:47.380 tweaks I think

00:13:48.140 we need

00:13:48.500 but overall

00:13:48.980 I think it's

00:13:49.480 very close

00:13:50.060 and feels

00:13:50.580 exciting

00:13:51.440 I have a little

00:13:52.160 bit of work

00:13:52.600 to do as well

00:13:53.220 to try to get

00:13:53.920 us that song

00:13:54.660 because of the

00:13:55.840 history

00:13:56.220 it's not likely

00:13:57.440 so she's saying

00:13:59.860 here that she's

00:14:00.460 trying to get

00:14:01.080 that song from

00:14:01.760 Taylor

00:14:02.100 they already

00:14:03.020 agreed on that

00:14:03.940 she's pretending

00:14:04.940 that she's just

00:14:05.600 really trying

00:14:06.440 to get that song

00:14:07.400 I remember

00:14:08.220 hearing about

00:14:09.040 this before

00:14:09.940 when Justin

00:14:10.520 filed his lawsuit

00:14:11.460 that she

00:14:12.360 fired the

00:14:14.060 composer of

00:14:15.040 the movie

00:14:15.400 because Taylor

00:14:16.160 Swift didn't

00:14:17.020 like that

00:14:17.680 person and

00:14:18.420 it seems like

00:14:19.000 that's what

00:14:19.460 she's pointing

00:14:20.000 at here

00:14:20.480 it's not

00:14:21.440 likely

00:14:22.080 anyways

00:14:23.180 I think there's

00:14:24.360 much better

00:14:24.880 poster to be

00:14:25.640 had

00:14:25.900 would love to

00:14:26.980 see some

00:14:27.400 other options

00:14:28.280 of course she

00:14:29.000 wants to have

00:14:29.400 control over the

00:14:30.000 poster and we

00:14:30.700 know she already

00:14:31.160 removed Justin

00:14:32.460 Baldwin's name

00:14:33.200 from the poster

00:14:33.840 and picture

00:14:34.720 all in all

00:14:35.940 very positive

00:14:37.320 feelings and I

00:14:38.320 definitely more

00:14:39.060 than ever feel

00:14:40.020 we need to

00:14:40.740 we need that

00:14:41.900 touch killing me

00:14:42.940 softly teaser

00:14:43.880 set the stage

00:14:45.420 for the cool

00:14:46.340 the romance

00:14:48.940 the drama

00:14:50.420 she's pointing

00:14:52.240 out that they

00:14:53.820 need to set the

00:14:54.860 stage for

00:14:56.040 isn't that

00:14:57.520 interesting how

00:14:58.380 she can't even

00:14:59.060 have someone

00:14:59.580 describe her

00:15:00.940 wardrobe as

00:15:01.640 sexy and then

00:15:02.800 she's saying this

00:15:03.540 to Josh

00:15:04.080 Greenstein and

00:15:05.160 she continues to

00:15:05.880 describe it as

00:15:06.940 the drama

00:15:07.920 the fun

00:15:08.700 the love

00:15:09.520 triangle and

00:15:10.380 also the

00:15:10.940 quality and a

00:15:12.200 teaser really

00:15:12.820 helps to

00:15:13.580 eventize the

00:15:14.880 film and the

00:15:15.700 full trailer

00:15:16.560 release I can

00:15:17.700 try to take a

00:15:18.480 crack at the

00:15:19.000 teaser but if

00:15:19.720 someone else

00:15:20.280 can even better

00:15:21.140 I can help to

00:15:22.380 guide the trailer

00:15:23.200 house as to

00:15:24.160 where they might

00:15:24.800 find the shots

00:15:25.700 if they want

00:15:26.780 I'm happy to

00:15:27.760 help in any way

00:15:28.540 I can I'm

00:15:29.400 happy to take

00:15:30.040 over everything

00:15:30.820 that's what she's

00:15:31.580 basically saying

00:15:32.260 here and she's

00:15:33.360 continuing to

00:15:34.020 say also I

00:15:34.760 started with

00:15:35.440 Justin's editor

00:15:36.240 Una yesterday

00:15:37.100 it's going well

00:15:38.300 Sean is editing

00:15:39.780 the next door

00:15:40.580 Sean Levy is

00:15:42.160 Ryan Reynolds

00:15:42.860 BFF that

00:15:44.600 edited Deadpool

00:15:45.900 how is he a

00:15:47.980 good fit for

00:15:48.500 this movie by

00:15:49.200 the way and we

00:15:49.760 know he's been

00:15:50.300 involved we know

00:15:51.120 that he also

00:15:51.740 called Justin

00:15:52.540 Baldoni to let

00:15:53.800 him know that

00:15:54.440 he should give

00:15:55.140 Blake everything

00:15:55.820 that she wants

00:15:56.620 and she brought

00:15:57.660 him in here to

00:15:59.020 edit the movie

00:15:59.980 he's not credited

00:16:01.220 as any editor

00:16:02.680 on the movie

00:16:03.760 he's not

00:16:04.640 mentioned on

00:16:05.220 IMDB but he

00:16:06.700 was there

00:16:07.240 working on a

00:16:07.940 project that

00:16:08.580 did not belong

00:16:09.340 to him

00:16:09.820 I keep popping

00:16:10.860 in to help

00:16:11.680 them with DP

00:16:12.500 we have to

00:16:13.400 lock that

00:16:13.820 tomorrow for

00:16:14.460 our preview

00:16:15.400 Saturday so

00:16:16.260 Sean offered

00:16:16.980 to come in

00:16:17.560 and hang for

00:16:18.260 an hour and

00:16:19.500 let us pick

00:16:20.060 his brain he

00:16:20.800 offered to do

00:16:21.700 that or did

00:16:22.280 you tell him

00:16:22.720 to do that

00:16:23.200 Blake?

00:16:23.880 Una wanted

00:16:24.360 to get the

00:16:24.900 green light

00:16:25.540 first so she's

00:16:26.460 not in a bad

00:16:27.020 position

00:16:27.460 understandably so

00:16:28.460 please let me

00:16:29.040 know if I'm

00:16:30.200 gonna let him

00:16:30.800 informally pop

00:16:31.720 over so the

00:16:32.880 other editor

00:16:33.480 feels uncomfortable

00:16:34.420 that someone else

00:16:35.260 is gonna take

00:16:35.900 over her job

00:16:36.880 obviously and

00:16:37.920 then here comes

00:16:38.480 some more

00:16:38.840 manipulation

00:16:39.520 I'm lucky to

00:16:40.720 have the best

00:16:41.120 people in my

00:16:41.800 life who just

00:16:42.680 want to help

00:16:43.320 me to do the

00:16:43.840 best I can do

00:16:44.660 and achieve the

00:16:45.760 highest success

00:16:46.560 possible yes I

00:16:48.080 have a lot of

00:16:48.820 powerful friends

00:16:49.760 around me and

00:16:50.640 then she continues

00:16:51.460 to say and

00:16:52.860 thank you again

00:16:53.540 for all your

00:16:54.040 support in making

00:16:55.160 this movie the

00:16:55.760 best it can be I

00:16:57.040 really really

00:16:57.880 appreciate it so

00:16:59.480 does everyone in

00:17:00.580 my orbits all

00:17:02.500 my powerful

00:17:03.240 friends also

00:17:04.860 appreciate that

00:17:06.200 you are letting

00:17:07.220 me take control

00:17:08.200 over everything

00:17:09.060 and letting

00:17:09.800 yourself be

00:17:10.480 manipulated here

00:17:11.460 and she says I

00:17:12.480 think we'll have

00:17:13.120 success because of

00:17:14.240 you believing in

00:17:15.220 it and in me

00:17:16.000 thank you from

00:17:16.800 the bottom of

00:17:17.960 my cold cold

00:17:19.280 heart

00:17:19.980 X B

00:17:22.080 yeah very

00:17:23.840 fitting it's so

00:17:25.160 funny how she's

00:17:25.820 telling on herself

00:17:26.680 who she really is

00:17:27.760 and how she

00:17:28.240 projects her own

00:17:29.840 problems onto

00:17:30.640 other people and

00:17:32.060 her own

00:17:32.820 personality onto

00:17:34.000 other people then

00:17:35.500 Josh Greenstein

00:17:36.400 doesn't respond so

00:17:38.960 she's freaking out

00:17:40.480 so she's reminding

00:17:41.800 him the next

00:17:42.540 morning so she

00:17:43.820 sends him another

00:17:44.640 text at 1043 a.m.

00:17:46.840 the other one was

00:17:48.020 at 1130 at night

00:17:49.700 the night before so

00:17:50.760 she's not giving him

00:17:51.680 much room to respond

00:17:52.800 here and she's

00:17:54.000 saying let me know

00:17:55.120 either way regarding

00:17:56.360 Sean he's next door

00:17:57.520 to us today and

00:17:58.460 tomorrow so I just

00:17:59.460 want to let him

00:18:00.060 know if he's okay

00:18:00.980 to pop in ever

00:18:02.060 XX I'm sure that

00:18:04.040 Josh already has

00:18:04.880 discussed this with

00:18:05.900 some of his

00:18:06.420 colleagues and he's

00:18:07.480 like you're good to

00:18:08.740 go with your

00:18:09.320 editor Friday

00:18:10.120 that's his response

00:18:11.840 and then Blake's

00:18:13.040 like amazing thank

00:18:14.460 you XX now it's

00:18:16.080 two X's it was

00:18:17.220 just one before but

00:18:18.660 anyways this is just

00:18:19.620 another example of

00:18:21.040 how manipulative

00:18:22.960 Blake Lively really

00:18:24.540 is and it's funny

00:18:25.780 now we see all of

00:18:27.060 these letters next

00:18:27.960 to each other all

00:18:28.720 these text messages

00:18:29.560 and emails and we

00:18:30.500 see the same pattern

00:18:31.680 in every one of

00:18:32.960 them first she keeps

00:18:33.920 telling them how

00:18:34.700 amazing they are and

00:18:35.780 how grateful she is

00:18:37.040 and she couldn't do

00:18:37.840 this without them

00:18:38.660 then she's asking

00:18:40.040 for favors and then

00:18:41.520 she keeps asking and

00:18:42.780 then she keeps pushing

00:18:43.800 until they say yes

00:18:45.200 and then again she

00:18:46.020 ends it with how

00:18:47.020 amazing they are

00:18:48.520 okay so let's get

00:18:49.960 into this Van Zand

00:18:51.400 situation this

00:18:52.800 particular thing

00:18:54.000 is so damning

00:18:57.560 and if you haven't

00:18:58.320 followed this case

00:18:59.160 closely I'm going to

00:19:00.980 do a little recap

00:19:01.980 of what happened

00:19:03.320 with Van Zand

00:19:04.500 so Stephanie Jones

00:19:05.800 the owner of

00:19:06.600 Joneswork who

00:19:07.840 Justin Baldoni and

00:19:08.740 the Wayfair Party

00:19:09.280 hired to do the PR

00:19:10.760 for them during

00:19:12.300 It Ends With Us

00:19:13.180 she also had an

00:19:14.320 employee called

00:19:15.240 Jennifer Abel

00:19:16.200 and it started to be

00:19:17.460 a little tension

00:19:18.260 between Stephanie Jones

00:19:19.620 and Jennifer Abel

00:19:21.160 and it ended with

00:19:22.320 Jennifer Abel

00:19:23.000 wanted to leave the

00:19:23.960 company and start

00:19:24.940 her own company

00:19:25.720 that infuriated

00:19:27.060 Stephanie Jones

00:19:27.980 and she wanted

00:19:29.360 revenge on

00:19:30.280 Jennifer Abel

00:19:31.040 so when Jennifer

00:19:32.520 Abel said she was

00:19:33.260 leaving the company

00:19:33.940 she said I'm taking

00:19:35.400 your phone

00:19:35.980 so she confiscated

00:19:38.640 her phone

00:19:39.200 she ambushed her

00:19:40.500 when she came into

00:19:41.300 the office to get

00:19:42.100 her things

00:19:42.520 she had a security

00:19:43.360 guard there

00:19:43.980 and she also had

00:19:44.900 an attorney there

00:19:45.680 and she grabbed

00:19:46.600 Jennifer Abel's phone

00:19:47.520 the content of

00:19:49.280 that phone

00:19:50.040 somehow ended up

00:19:52.220 in Blake Lively's

00:19:53.540 hands

00:19:54.120 and the thing is

00:19:55.360 at this point

00:19:56.440 Stephanie Jones

00:19:57.740 was supposedly

00:19:59.340 a team

00:20:00.480 Justin Baldoni

00:20:01.540 she was his

00:20:03.060 PR agency

00:20:04.800 and Justin Baldoni

00:20:06.360 had just agreed

00:20:07.480 to go with

00:20:08.480 Jennifer Abel

00:20:09.180 when she left

00:20:09.880 the company

00:20:10.420 so Stephanie Jones

00:20:11.520 was also angry

00:20:12.640 at Justin Baldoni

00:20:13.700 so how did the

00:20:14.860 content on

00:20:15.980 Jennifer Abel's phone

00:20:17.160 end up in

00:20:18.280 Blake Lively's

00:20:19.280 hands

00:20:19.680 and then end up

00:20:21.100 in the New York

00:20:21.700 Times

00:20:22.340 this is where

00:20:24.380 Van Zand

00:20:25.880 comes in

00:20:26.620 this company

00:20:28.300 is founded

00:20:29.540 by Blake Lively

00:20:30.740 and Ryan Reynolds

00:20:32.120 and has

00:20:32.880 no function

00:20:34.760 whatsoever

00:20:35.440 it has no

00:20:36.900 activities

00:20:37.580 it has no

00:20:38.580 employees

00:20:39.320 nothing

00:20:40.320 it's basically

00:20:41.480 a shell company

00:20:42.620 that they use

00:20:43.460 for different things

00:20:44.560 to I'm sure

00:20:45.540 for some tax

00:20:46.640 benefits

00:20:47.360 or whatever

00:20:48.200 so one day

00:20:49.420 Blake Lively

00:20:50.000 gets a phone call

00:20:50.900 from someone

00:20:51.480 saying that

00:20:52.160 hey

00:20:52.580 you know what

00:20:53.800 my friend Stephanie

00:20:55.680 Jones has a phone

00:20:57.140 that contains

00:20:58.520 a lot of damning

00:21:00.200 text messages

00:21:01.060 about you

00:21:01.920 are you interested

00:21:03.300 in that phone

00:21:04.200 and Blake Lively

00:21:05.700 says

00:21:06.220 yes

00:21:07.300 and then

00:21:08.660 they start thinking

00:21:09.920 how can we get

00:21:10.900 hold of this phone

00:21:12.160 legally

00:21:12.720 we can't

00:21:13.340 just take

00:21:13.880 someone's

00:21:14.800 private

00:21:15.320 information

00:21:16.240 and look

00:21:17.400 at it

00:21:17.860 and then

00:21:18.460 maybe share

00:21:19.220 it with the

00:21:19.840 world

00:21:20.260 no we need

00:21:21.140 to get

00:21:21.480 this legally

00:21:22.140 so they

00:21:22.800 take this

00:21:23.400 company

00:21:23.740 called

00:21:24.220 Van Zand

00:21:24.880 and they

00:21:25.640 create a

00:21:26.480 fake lawsuit

00:21:27.480 where they

00:21:28.180 sue

00:21:28.620 10

00:21:29.220 Joe

00:21:29.680 and Jane

00:21:30.480 Dose

00:21:31.080 that means

00:21:31.980 that they're

00:21:32.360 just suing

00:21:32.940 some people

00:21:33.800 because they

00:21:34.360 don't know

00:21:34.880 who the

00:21:35.280 defendants

00:21:35.960 are yet

00:21:36.520 but by

00:21:37.220 filing that

00:21:38.080 lawsuit

00:21:38.540 against

00:21:39.200 these

00:21:39.680 anonymous

00:21:40.500 people

00:21:41.220 they can

00:21:42.220 also

00:21:42.740 send out

00:21:43.380 a subpoena

00:21:44.180 and that's

00:21:45.620 what they

00:21:46.020 did

00:21:46.400 so they

00:21:46.800 sent a

00:21:47.300 subpoena

00:21:47.760 to Stephanie

00:21:48.480 Jones

00:21:48.920 from Van Zand

00:21:50.480 the problem

00:21:51.520 with that

00:21:51.980 subpoena

00:21:52.440 is that

00:21:53.380 Van Zand

00:21:54.180 has nothing

00:21:55.040 to do

00:21:55.620 with it

00:21:56.040 ends with us

00:21:56.840 or wayfair

00:21:57.780 parties

00:21:58.160 or anything

00:21:58.820 that's been

00:21:59.320 going on

00:21:59.780 around that

00:22:00.400 it has

00:22:01.000 nothing to

00:22:01.700 do with

00:22:02.040 that business

00:22:02.520 so how

00:22:03.020 can that

00:22:03.860 company

00:22:04.380 sue

00:22:05.380 all these

00:22:06.140 random

00:22:06.440 people

00:22:06.840 for something

00:22:07.480 they had

00:22:07.960 nothing to

00:22:08.460 do with

00:22:08.940 that means

00:22:09.960 that I

00:22:10.440 could just

00:22:11.040 file a

00:22:11.920 fake lawsuit

00:22:12.900 and use

00:22:13.640 my company

00:22:14.540 to file

00:22:15.500 a subpoena

00:22:16.240 against some

00:22:17.460 random person

00:22:18.420 and get

00:22:18.920 their personal

00:22:19.880 phone

00:22:20.480 that's not

00:22:21.680 legal

00:22:22.220 or it

00:22:22.700 shouldn't

00:22:23.060 be

00:22:23.420 Stephanie

00:22:24.100 Jones

00:22:24.480 was obviously

00:22:25.140 a part

00:22:25.920 of this

00:22:26.340 and she

00:22:26.900 gave them

00:22:27.580 Jennifer

00:22:27.960 Abel's

00:22:28.520 phone

00:22:28.860 and if

00:22:29.560 you follow

00:22:29.900 this you

00:22:30.300 know there's

00:22:30.720 also a

00:22:31.260 lawsuit

00:22:31.620 going on

00:22:32.180 between

00:22:32.420 Stephanie

00:22:32.820 Jones

00:22:33.100 and

00:22:33.260 Jennifer

00:22:33.700 Abel

00:22:34.020 Jennifer

00:22:34.320 Abel is

00:22:34.780 suing her

00:22:35.280 for taking

00:22:35.720 her phone

00:22:36.220 and actually

00:22:37.120 never giving

00:22:37.760 it back

00:22:38.180 she never

00:22:38.980 gave her

00:22:39.480 her phone

00:22:39.920 back

00:22:40.180 she couldn't

00:22:40.960 access any

00:22:41.840 of her

00:22:42.160 personal

00:22:42.540 information

00:22:43.240 so Stephanie

00:22:44.060 Jones then

00:22:44.640 gave Blake

00:22:45.380 Lively this

00:22:45.980 phone because

00:22:46.520 now she was

00:22:47.140 legally subpoenaed

00:22:48.440 and Blake

00:22:49.300 Lively looked

00:22:50.140 through all

00:22:51.100 of these

00:22:51.500 private text

00:22:52.300 messages

00:22:52.720 and then

00:22:53.700 she found

00:22:54.220 a few

00:22:54.700 of them

00:22:55.240 and then

00:22:56.420 New York

00:22:57.200 Times based

00:22:58.180 their article

00:22:58.980 on these

00:23:00.200 text messages

00:23:01.060 so as you

00:23:02.520 know the

00:23:03.180 major headline

00:23:04.560 was about

00:23:05.180 we can bury

00:23:06.000 anyone

00:23:06.600 which was

00:23:07.380 said by

00:23:08.040 Jennifer

00:23:08.400 Abel

00:23:08.960 in one

00:23:09.320 of those

00:23:09.620 text messages

00:23:10.400 another

00:23:11.040 side note

00:23:11.720 here is

00:23:12.160 that Stephanie

00:23:12.800 Jones was

00:23:13.520 basically playing

00:23:14.540 both sides

00:23:15.340 here and

00:23:16.420 she's pretending

00:23:17.260 that this

00:23:18.000 smear campaign

00:23:18.880 went on

00:23:19.420 behind her

00:23:20.140 back she

00:23:20.620 didn't know

00:23:20.980 anything about

00:23:21.560 it but now

00:23:22.600 we've seen so

00:23:23.640 much evidence

00:23:24.240 that she was

00:23:24.920 very involved

00:23:25.840 in all the

00:23:26.580 PR stuff and

00:23:27.320 all the crisis

00:23:27.980 stuff going

00:23:28.600 on with

00:23:30.040 it ends

00:23:30.420 with us

00:23:30.880 and with

00:23:31.180 Justin Baldoni

00:23:32.020 so all that

00:23:33.040 is just

00:23:33.460 BS I can't

00:23:34.540 wait to see

00:23:35.120 more evidence

00:23:35.720 from that

00:23:36.420 lawsuit too

00:23:37.040 by the way

00:23:37.500 but let's

00:23:38.200 get back

00:23:38.460 to this

00:23:38.780 one

00:23:38.940 I've seen

00:23:39.600 a lot

00:23:39.940 of lawyers

00:23:40.420 talk about

00:23:41.280 this and

00:23:41.920 this is

00:23:42.280 called like

00:23:42.820 a fishing

00:23:43.380 expedition

00:23:44.220 and it's

00:23:45.260 really frowned

00:23:45.980 upon and

00:23:46.940 this is not

00:23:47.700 a normal

00:23:48.180 thing to do

00:23:48.780 and a lot

00:23:49.280 of people

00:23:49.680 would call

00:23:50.240 this abuse

00:23:50.900 of process

00:23:51.500 they're abusing

00:23:52.740 the court

00:23:53.560 system because

00:23:54.620 this lawsuit

00:23:55.300 and subpoena

00:23:55.780 was filed

00:23:56.480 under false

00:23:57.280 pretense

00:23:58.020 this lawsuit

00:23:59.200 was also

00:24:00.140 dropped

00:24:00.880 the day

00:24:02.120 before the

00:24:03.260 New York

00:24:03.540 Times article

00:24:04.260 came out

00:24:04.900 that also

00:24:05.800 proves that

00:24:06.700 they were

00:24:07.080 not interested

00:24:07.740 in doing

00:24:08.340 any investigation

00:24:09.440 that also

00:24:10.520 is evidence

00:24:11.240 of this

00:24:11.740 being a

00:24:12.220 complete

00:24:12.680 sham

00:24:13.220 and now

00:24:14.120 the New York

00:24:15.080 Times looks

00:24:16.140 really bad

00:24:16.920 because they

00:24:17.920 based their

00:24:18.800 entire article

00:24:20.280 and reporting

00:24:21.160 on the content

00:24:22.720 of this phone

00:24:24.180 that was obtained

00:24:25.700 illegally

00:24:26.700 or I would have

00:24:27.740 to add

00:24:28.220 allegedly

00:24:29.300 illegally

00:24:30.380 that story

00:24:31.600 in the New York

00:24:32.080 Times has

00:24:32.760 aged so badly

00:24:34.260 and of course

00:24:35.160 they haven't

00:24:35.560 reported on

00:24:36.300 anything

00:24:36.820 coming out

00:24:37.460 right now

00:24:38.160 because that

00:24:39.060 makes them

00:24:39.540 look terrible

00:24:40.300 and I know

00:24:41.260 a lot of

00:24:41.940 people were

00:24:42.920 waiting for

00:24:43.980 this subpoena

00:24:44.660 to become

00:24:45.180 public

00:24:45.680 and this is

00:24:46.560 of course

00:24:47.060 something that

00:24:47.760 Blake Lively

00:24:48.400 was really

00:24:49.220 fighting to

00:24:49.960 keep sealed

00:24:50.560 and they

00:24:51.240 never admitted

00:24:52.340 how they

00:24:53.120 got hold

00:24:53.640 of that

00:24:54.020 phone

00:24:54.380 until

00:24:55.040 some

00:24:55.800 internet

00:24:56.400 sleuths

00:24:57.320 actually found

00:24:58.160 out about

00:24:58.700 Van Zandt

00:24:59.380 about six

00:25:00.040 months ago

00:25:00.600 so what

00:25:01.380 could come

00:25:01.980 from this

00:25:02.580 is that

00:25:03.420 the judge

00:25:04.020 could say

00:25:04.640 that this

00:25:05.260 evidence

00:25:05.940 must be

00:25:06.780 tossed out

00:25:07.540 because

00:25:08.220 it was

00:25:09.300 not obtained

00:25:10.280 legally

00:25:10.840 and that

00:25:12.400 means that

00:25:12.940 the New York

00:25:13.340 Times reported

00:25:14.340 on evidence

00:25:15.160 that was

00:25:16.000 obtained

00:25:16.380 illegally

00:25:16.880 and that

00:25:17.680 means

00:25:18.060 that they

00:25:18.840 can't even

00:25:19.500 use any

00:25:20.280 of that

00:25:20.680 evidence

00:25:21.060 in court

00:25:21.720 and all

00:25:22.960 of Blake

00:25:23.320 Lively's

00:25:23.760 lawsuit

00:25:24.100 is based

00:25:24.700 on this

00:25:25.040 one text

00:25:25.780 message

00:25:26.260 saying that

00:25:26.980 we can

00:25:27.740 bury

00:25:28.100 anyone

00:25:28.660 yeah

00:25:29.320 isn't

00:25:30.100 all of

00:25:30.500 this

00:25:30.700 so

00:25:31.160 interesting

00:25:31.960 I'm just

00:25:32.760 having such

00:25:33.160 a blast

00:25:33.500 going through

00:25:34.040 all of

00:25:34.480 this

00:25:34.640 and I'm

00:25:34.920 so happy

00:25:35.500 that all

00:25:35.920 of this

00:25:36.180 is coming

00:25:36.600 out

00:25:36.900 because I

00:25:37.340 think that

00:25:37.800 the public

00:25:38.260 really deserves

00:25:39.180 to know

00:25:39.600 the truth

00:25:40.100 here and

00:25:40.860 we are

00:25:41.160 starting to

00:25:41.780 really get

00:25:42.260 to the

00:25:42.600 bottom of

00:25:43.040 everything

00:25:43.440 and I

00:25:43.980 think it's

00:25:44.220 just so

00:25:44.580 rewarding

00:25:44.980 for all

00:25:45.520 of us

00:25:45.880 who've

00:25:46.160 known

00:25:46.520 and had

00:25:46.960 the gut

00:25:47.380 feeling

00:25:47.760 here the

00:25:48.160 whole

00:25:48.360 time

00:25:48.880 where the

00:25:49.680 truth

00:25:50.020 lays

00:25:50.360 and now

00:25:50.980 it's

00:25:51.440 out

00:25:51.740 there

00:25:52.080 and yes

00:25:53.260 thank you

00:25:53.940 so much

00:25:54.500 you guys

00:25:55.000 for being

00:25:55.660 so supportive

00:25:56.360 and for

00:25:56.820 being so

00:25:57.220 engaged

00:25:57.780 in this

00:25:58.240 and for

00:25:58.500 helping

00:25:58.780 getting the

00:25:59.280 truth

00:25:59.700 out there

00:26:00.240 I really

00:26:01.100 appreciate

00:26:02.040 all of you

00:26:02.680 so much

00:26:03.340 and of course

00:26:03.940 if you haven't

00:26:04.360 subscribed yet

00:26:05.060 please do

00:26:05.700 and hit the

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00:26:09.220 and I'll see you soon

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Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - January 24, 2026

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