New TEXTS Reveal their BREAKUP !!
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Summary
Taylor Swift and Blake Lively are no longer friends, and now we know why. And we can also see when Taylor started getting upset with Blake. Is she a part of this whole scheme, or did she just find out about it?
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And we can also see when Taylor started getting upset with Blake.
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I'm Tashley Flohr, journalist, Hollywood truth teller,
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and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.
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I'm just like so floored by all of this coming out.
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And now we've also seen the text messages from Taylor Swift.
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but they were in this other document where they were just referred to.
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And now we have the whole thing, which I'm going to get into here.
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And we can also see when Taylor started getting upset with Blake.
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I was asking that question yesterday, wondering why are they not friends anymore?
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If Taylor was a part of this whole scheme and she knew everything.
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She knew when that New York Times article was coming out.
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She also played a big part in convincing Justin that Blake's writing,
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it was Ryan's writing, of that rooftop scene was amazing.
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And they schemed around that and got her to come to her penthouse when Justin was there.
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Something that Taylor had denied earlier, saying that she had nothing to do with any of this.
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She just gave a song to the movie and she just happened to be at the penthouse at the time that Justin was there.
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We also have to talk about the group chat that Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds had with Matt Damon
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and his wife and the letter that Blake sent to Ben Affleck and all their A-list friends.
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And Bradley Cooper, who watched her movie twice and she was so grateful for him,
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they tried to make an army of their A-list friends to intimidate Justin.
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Also worth mentioning that Blake has added two new attorneys.
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She added another attorney last week, which now is her PR person, her crisis PR person.
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Her name is Sigrid and she's been all over all these news stories as expected,
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As I mentioned many times before, she used to defend victims of Jeffrey Epstein
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and she fits perfectly into Blake's narrative here.
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And Leslie Sloan has People Magazine on speed dial,
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feeding them stories that fits into Blake's narrative,
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because right now it looks terrible for her and they need all the help they can get.
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Okay, so let's get into the juices part here first.
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This is a message that Blake sends to Taylor and this is on December 4th.
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So this is before she sued Justin and before the New York Times article hits.
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I felt like a bad friend lately because I was such a sad sack
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You were generous to not only be the key person here for me doing all of it,
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but also to let me off the hook for being so in it.
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So for being so in it, but I still have a feeling something may not be right.
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I told Ryan, he said to just ask you, but I felt so stupid and like it sounded needy
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and awkward for everyone, especially because I can't explain why I have this feeling.
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And you know, I have toxic masculinity, so I can't be needy.
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Taking a dig at Justin, obviously, but also I do want to know everything is good.
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So I'm asking, I always want to be to the, I always want the opportunity to be a better friend.
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If there's something I understood, I unintentionally did.
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I know how busy and taxed you are physically, emotionally, practically.
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So then about one and a half hours later, Taylor responds and she says,
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no, you are not wrong, but it's also not a big deal.
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I think I'm just exhausted in every avenue of my life.
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And in recent months had been feeling a little bit of a shift in the way you talk to me.
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Yes, there has been a lot of the Justin stuff, but I've been through things like this before
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And I feel really bad saying anything about this because your texts have been so nice in their intent.
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But your last few, it just felt like I was reading a mass corporate email sent to 200 employees.
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You said the words we like 18 times and it felt, and it feels awful to be in any way critical
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of any way you process what you've been through, what you've been going through.
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But I just kind of miss my funny, dark, normal speaking friend who talks to me as herself,
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When it's a group I'm hearing from, I feel distance from you even more than we are geographically.
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And I know you feel attacked from all sides for ridiculous reasons, so you're feeling like
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you have to overly explain things to be overly nice or whatever, but it's me.
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Dear valid customer, thank you for your feedback.
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Then she says, for real though, I literally deleted the awful thing I was gonna, and that
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bit with because I've become digitally paranoid.
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I don't know if you experience that with phone calls after what happened to you, but after
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the thousands of text messages that weren't meant for me that I've been reading, I've
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internalized that everything digital may be public.
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So she's at this point read all those text messages on Jennifer Abel's phone that she got
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through that sham subpoena that she coordinated.
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I say that knowing it's irrational, but my brain can't accept rational here.
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So yeah, I've been texting like I'm writing, not like me talking.
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I didn't realize that until you pointed it out, but I see it.
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On top of that, I'm overpackaging simple things because I felt so deeply misunderstood
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that I don't trust my judgment of myself anymore.
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This effing guy and what he did to me gave me an identity crisis legitimately.
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The thing that spooked me most in all of this though wasn't the bad guys being bad guys.
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It was the good guys, my lifelong friends, allies to women who quietly dipped.
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And so I'm probably being over the top with my friends who stayed because I've never felt
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So at this point, Blake didn't have support from any of her friends anymore.
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And then she says, point is, I'm being a stupid paranoid weirdo and felt it, but didn't know
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So thank you for telling me and saying I don't need to apologize and for not making it a big
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But I'm sorry to you and I'm sorry to me and to our kids.
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F that guy and F this whole gaggle of super villains.
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I'm excited for you to be done with suitcases, constant sinus infections and thumb up kneecaps.
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And then Taylor reacted to the first paragraph, took me out, like Blake's joking.
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I mean, she jokes at all the most inappropriate places all the time.
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Then she says, Blake says, I sent you a voice memo, but it doesn't show on your thread, which
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is really helping my case of not trusting phones.
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I'm just falling asleep, but listening tomorrow.
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So she is just like desperate for Taylor to be on her side here and to give her more and
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She's being kind of diplomatic here, saying like, enough is enough.
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I don't want to be just your friend supporting you through your crisis.
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And keep in mind that Blake sent this message at 2.30 a.m. to Taylor Swift.
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And then the next day, Taylor says, I think this bitch knows something's coming because
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And there is a picture of and there's a story attached of Justin in People magazine when he
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talks about his ex-girlfriend and that he was harassed by her.
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And Blake says he's being honored at the Vital Voices for Women event on Monday.
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And Taylor says, this is so disgusting and I hate that he's clever about this shit.
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And Blake says, this inspiring event celebrates men who are using their platforms, influence
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and leadership to elevate women, combat gender-based violence and promote gender equality worldwide.
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It's not just him and his publicist, Jennifer Abel and the comms people at his studio.
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Taylor says, he needs to be beaten by his own words.
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And Blake says, everyone weighs in before he responds to a text, writes an email or trims
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And Blake says, yeah, I actually think it's important he's honored.
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And to all the people honoring him and not taking a moment to question, no one talks to him.
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Nah, it was the women because there were flowers.
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Taylor says, Jesus Christ, is everyone still on track?
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And Blake says, yes, a week later, but worth the wait.
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So they're now talking about the New York Times article.
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It's funny to me how Taylor was just saying the night before that she kind of had enough
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So this is what I think just pushed Taylor to the brink of just being like, I don't
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And I don't want to be more involved than I am already.
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How did it get to the point where Blake Lively blackmailed Taylor Swift and said, if you don't
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support me publicly at this point, I will leak our text messages.
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Blake says to Taylor, can you imagine feeling as confident as these predators that you're
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Him accepting an award as an ally for women and Scooter going about the world with his head
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held high as he co-owns and funds a crisis PR company that silences women.
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As you know, this award was actually taken back as well.
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He had to give it back after that article came out.
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The good that protects other women from this happening to them.
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Meanwhile, I walk around feeling death sentence guilty and apologetic for being sarcastic and
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Then there's another text that changed between Blake and Taylor from April of 2024.
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And she's sending her the trailer with her song and she really loves it.
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So she's saying this to Taylor at this point already in April of 2024.
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And obviously, Taylor, as we've learned later, didn't like this, but she didn't say anything.
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And she says here, except my dragons are bred with Kersay herself.
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And then Taylor says something I spoke about yesterday.
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If Justin was strategic, he would not like, he would be like no Taylor Swift in the trailer
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He thinks women are incapable of winning chess matches or making long game power plays.
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And Blake says, you're so right and so wickedly smart to call it.
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This was his only shot at having the appearance of an upper hand.
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Then there is a text exchange, a group chat between Taylor Blake and I believe Ryan Reynolds
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because there was a story in Daily Mail saying that there was a paparazzi picture of Blake
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when she had her phone up and her codename for Ryan is Roy Orbison.
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This is sent by Taylor on the day that the New York Times article hit.
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She is saying to Ryan, which I assume, and Blake, you won.
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Then Taylor shares the deadline article, Justin Baldoni dropped by WME, Blake Lively, SH complaints,
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And Taylor says, and you effing helped so many people who won't have to go through this ever
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So at this point, Taylor believes that Blake is helping other women.
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And I think that probably changed, especially after she blackmailed her.
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And Taylor says, never has a constellation been reversed so fast.
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And Taylor says, again, you guys don't understand how rare this is to have proof and take the
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And Blake says, oh, like my God, I love you so much.
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I would not be OK through any of this if it weren't for you.
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And Taylor says, can't you, can you believe she just called and was like, this PR chick
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So they're talking about this person who contacted Blake to say that Stephanie Jones has
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And on that phone, there are text messages of this alleged smear campaign that I can get
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And then you can give it to New York Times and you can sue him and blah, blah, blah.
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I have received a few messages from people saying that we look at that song from Taylor
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And it's interesting when you look at the lyric from Canceled and she's saying, did you
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Were you just too smug for your own good or bring a tiny violin to a knife fight?
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Remember, she texted Blake saying the bitch knows something is coming.
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I don't know if it's related, but it kind of seems like that now.
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And then there's also the text exchange from back from April of 2023 when Blake talks about
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And basically they're planning for her to come up to the penthouse for Taylor to come up to
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the penthouse to convince Justin that Blake's version of the rooftop scene is much better.
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And this is the entire message that Blake sent Tyler.
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She said, if you get here with this doofus director of my movie is still here.
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I'll be ushering him out, but hope he's still here.
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Can you tell him you're excited for the movie, that you read the book, but what you're freaking
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What a magnetic scene that is or whatever descriptives you're comfortable with.
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He's a clown and thinks he's a writer now and got this rewrite and told me he appreciates
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So having the greatest living storyteller unknowingly echo to him how much you love what we're doing,
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giving him a credit as if he wrote them with me will go such a long way.
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And then she says, you dug a movie out of a grave once already for me.
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But anyways, and then Taylor says, I'll do anything for you.
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I'll have Molly meet you and security in garage.
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As you know, a spokesperson for Taylor said that she just happened to show up there, which
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Then there's a long rant here again from Blake to Taylor.
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Taylor, where she's saying you were so heroic today, talking about her appearance at the
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rooftop at their penthouse, saying, I recapped every moment to Ryan.
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You making shit up about me and lenses, kind of pretending that Blake knows a lot about
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This clown falling for it all, but also resisting it.
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You are the world's absolute greatest friend ever.
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And then she says, the most bonkers part to me is him saying to you, he doesn't know
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pop culture, made me more mad than anything he's done to me.
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His entire brand is dissembling toxic masculinity.
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He does TED Talks, but says that to you, not only is it so rude, but it's untrue.
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The thing that enraged me is you are in an absolute league of your own in being both the
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most popular artist alive and one of all time, but also the most respected and awarded.
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It's so obvious that their relationship is not really balanced here, that she is just
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And that's also the reason why she's doing all of this, I think, because she feels that
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she cannot be on the same level as her friends.
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Then she goes on and on talking about Justin and how much she dislikes him.
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And this is another reason why I think Taylor was just like, OK, enough, stop, stop talking
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And then she continues to say, I honestly want to retroactively take you out to dinner to
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I love you and you and I love you and Ryan and my babies and get more protective about your
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Yeah, it really seems like that because you're only talking about yourself the entire time
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It's so much less forgiving when it comes to someone messing with someone I love than when
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I just love you and I'm so ecstatic for you and grateful for you today.
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And, you know, they've been referring to him as a clown and all that stuff.
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I hope that we're going to find out what really happened, what went wrong, when things
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started to really escalate between the two of them and if they're still not talking.
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I'm like I'm so confused right now with their friendship, by the way.
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Anyways, I wanted to also mention these letters that Blake and Ryan or these emails or text
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messages Blake sent to Ben Affleck and also the group chat that her and Ryan had with Matt
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So let's get into this situation with Matt Damon.
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So it's so obvious that the two of them are trying to create an army of A-listers so they
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can kind of intimidate Justin even more at this point.
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And this is sent to Matt Damon and Lucy, his wife, on the 17th of May of 2024.
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So after the shoot is over and Blake already edited her version of the movie.
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So Ryan is sending this to Matt Damon saying, hi, if the offer is still open to watch the
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Easy's way is to log into Blake's account whenever you're ready.
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So they want Matt Damon to watch the movie and give them feedback on it.
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If you text her, she can give you the log in and code and you're in.
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We know how important family time is when we're up in the blah, blah, blah.
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We'd love to get your well-earned point of view.
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And if your girls want to see it on the big screen at Blake's family and friends screening
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Saturday at 6 p.m., they're obviously most welcome.
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This movie has been one of all time zingers on and off set.
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One day we'll make a movie about the movie and we can't wait to tell you all about it.
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The stories are already finding their place in the pathion of legendary Hollywood insanity.
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We're about to be off for at least a year and a half, maybe two years, maybe forever.
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Then, before they got the chance to answer this, Blake chimes in saying,
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Be warned, it covers DV and key plays in key places, so just want to be sure you know.
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The director, co-star, producer, financier, head of the studio.
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Yes, all one person had zero experience, but the good news is he also has no taste and an enormous ego.
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But only because he's in a cult and believes he's our century prophet.
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So, she is trashing Justin Baldoni to Matt Damon and his wife here, saying,
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I told him one day, after so much shit had already gone down,
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I don't need you to guide me or to make me feel good.
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All I need from you is, I just need you to make me feel like shit.
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What I didn't anticipate was having to do everything in this movie.
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The DP was coming to me when he couldn't get anything from him.
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Then, after all this, Justin wouldn't bring me into the edit.
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He had no idea what he had because he didn't author any of it.
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They gave me 10 days to scrap together an edit to compete with an edit he's been making since July.
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I've been asleep about an hour and a half each night because this obviously is not enough time.
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We're in a bake-off now, which will happen in 12 days.
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This week in screening is my chance to get the first and only feedback on my cut before the bake-off.
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And then there's something that's redacted here.
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And then Lucy Damon, Matt Damon's wife, responds saying,
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I'm sorry you had such an awful experience doing a job you love.
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She's like, I don't want your problems just like loaded off like that.
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And here is a list of all my problems that I want to throw on you.
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Anyways, then Matt is chiming in saying, we'll give you any help we can.
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And if this experience hasn't totally destroyed your soul, Blake,
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you should come direct your next movie at Artists' Equity.
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We're kind of like a cult, but a really nice one.
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And Matt Damon says, I'm looking forward to seeing his work.
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And then Blake says, I can get it on your picks,
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but politically it's cleanest if you just log into mine.
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If you have any sense of when you watch it, whenever you know,
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I'll just have to call you with login and two-factor code.
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And Lucy Damon says, of course, we're happy to watch and hopefully be helpful.
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As someone pointed out to me that they noticed when watching The Rip,
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Matt Damon and Ben Affleck's movie that's on Netflix right now,
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Lucy Damon, Matt Damon's wife, has a PGA credit there.
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Really, why would Sony look for any reason not to use Justin's cut
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when they knew it was performing better in front of an audience?
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And Lucy Damon is saying, it's insane the power this guy has had
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And Blake says, it's all his cult dollars and backing, wild stuff.
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And Lucy Damon says, like Matt said, artist equity from now on,
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And then Blake says, several weeks before shooting and right after Blake had,
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and then Ryan adds here, several weeks before shooting
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and right after Blake had given birth to our son,
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and asked, how much do you think Blake will weigh in two weeks?
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He said, I'm only asking because I have to carry her in a scene
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I remember from Ryan mocking Justin as a nice pull.
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He was also saying that he had low bone density.
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Anyways, him and Blake keep loading off all this dirt on Justin.
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But Lucy says here, sorry, but what the actual F?
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And then Blake said it was actually two weeks before.
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When pressed even further, he said he needed to train to adjust his bone density
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because to circle back, he has low bone density.
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He also told me last year that he speaks to my father.
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I think you should make a movie about this guy.
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And Blake says, I literally already have the name of my doc.
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And Ryan says, right, I've never seen anything like it.
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A malignantly vain sociopathic faux feminist with almost no sense of boundaries or shame.
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I cannot believe he hasn't gone to jail or returned to the sun.
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As I said, Matt Damon is only saying like, hey, you should work for me instead.
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Why are they loading all of this crap onto other people around them?
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They're just desperately looking for support, as I said, from their illest friends.
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And then this letter that Blake wrote to Ben Affleck, which is even more cringe.
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It's long, of course, because Blake lively can never shut up.
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Ryan was going on and on about you recently amongst all that dot, dot, dot chaos.
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He was blown away by you, though he was equally effused about your Dunkin' commercial.
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So, no, you have a Canadian fan club in my house and Burbank one too.
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So, they always start off by complimenting people before they start asking for favors and before they start manipulating them into supporting them.
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She starts off again saying, I'm writing with zero pressure to ask.
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I've just come out the other side, well, almost, of the most upsetting experience I've ever had on a movie.
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The making of a doc of this film would be more interesting than the movie could ever be.
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It's like if Wild Wild Country, Fire Festival, and Going Clear had a baby with the room.
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Anyways, I ended up rewriting and restructuring the entire script.
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I also ended up having to direct the movie via the chaotic clown director, producer, financier, studio head at the center.
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Oh, and did I mention he and everyone he had on the movie is in a cult?
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If I would have just formally directed it, it would have been so much easier.
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But having to troubleshoot through his taste, ego, and pre-existing decisions made it so difficult.
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And that's not even touching on any of the Wild HR issues and beyond.
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Then she says, if you have one hour and 58 minutes of free time at any time in the next few days,
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would you be willing to watch the movie and give me any ideas of notes?
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You can literally text me a voice memo so you don't have to do formally right thoughts.
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If your wife or kids are around, I love their opinions also.
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For your info, it does cover DV, so no one is caught off guard.
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I've told her as much every time I've met her, and it would be an honor to have her take.
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So now she wants Jennifer Lopez in here as well because he,
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I'm assuming he's talking about Jennifer Lopez and not Jennifer Garner.
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She keeps saying there's zero pressure by saying there's zero pressure.
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I just really want this to work after all I put it in, all I put into it.
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And I can think of, and I can think of very few people who would be as perspective
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Ryan asked Matt to watch also, so no pressure here.
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Also, can you believe Jason Bourne is watching my movie?
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You don't, you're not nearly as busy as you think,
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And we also know that she got Bradley Cooper to watch the movie twice,
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So we are really starting to get a really good picture here of what actually went down.
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I had no idea that so many people were involved at this level.
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how Ryan orchestrated everything behind the scenes,
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and trying to make them write these statements.
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Well, if you missed that episode, I did publish one before.
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This one, I will link it below so you get that,
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It's really interesting, and it says a lot about Ryan Reynolds.
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I was going to make some short episodes, but these are really long.