Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - October 13, 2026


I've Held Back Talking About The Cornell 7... Until Now

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00:00:00.000 You do know it's okay to say, I don't know enough yet to have an opinion. Apparently,
00:00:06.020 that's become a controversial thing to say in today's world of social justice warriors
00:00:11.620 who are very quick to pledge their allegiance on issues that are deemed political, I think,
00:00:17.780 especially. You've probably seen the story of the Cornell Seven. It is everywhere. It's all
00:00:22.840 over the timeline. This is seven former fraternity brothers at Cornell University who are accused in
00:00:28.320 a civil lawsuit of sexually assaulting a female student during a night involving alcohol and
00:00:35.420 ketamine and multiple sexual encounters with multiple men at once. This actually happened
00:00:44.340 back in October of 2024, so two years ago. Of course, I feel like it goes without saying that
00:00:50.180 the allegations are horrific. The woman she's identified as Jane Doe, she says that she was
00:00:56.860 incapacitated and she was sexually assaulted. Prosecutors initially declined to bring criminal
00:01:02.380 charges, but after she filed a lawsuit in September, the case exploded nationally and
00:01:08.440 the investigation was reopened. And almost immediately, the internet did what the internet
00:01:14.220 does best. Everyone picked a side and who do you think they sided with? They sided with the Jane
00:01:19.500 Doe. Following that was a series of I am Jane Doe posts that started circulating. What does that
00:01:26.340 remind you of. It reminds me of two things. One, I am Lindsay Clancy, which I will just put this
00:01:32.780 out there. I am not Lindsay Clancy, by the way. And it reminded me of the Black Square.
00:01:37.260 We saw politicians weighing in. We've seen the governor of New York appoint Letitia James to
00:01:43.100 head this investigation. We've seen AOC comment. We have seen people who have never read a police
00:01:48.580 report, who have never examined the evidence, and frankly probably couldn't have told you the first
00:01:53.220 thing about the case, they were suddenly absolutely certain about what exactly has
00:01:58.000 happened. And I understand the impulse. I really do. I was pressured by everyone in my comment
00:02:03.620 section saying, oh, you stand for women. Well, where's your comment here? I understand the
00:02:08.520 impulse to take a side pretty quickly. Again, sexual violence is horrific. It is far too
00:02:13.720 prevalent, particularly on college campuses. I don't think there's a decent person alive who
00:02:19.440 doesn't want justice for a woman who has been sexually assaulted. But here's my question.
00:02:24.120 Since when did wanting justice require us to abandon the process of finding the truth? That
00:02:31.260 is why I have been hesitant to comment on this because we've seen cases relatively similar in
00:02:38.560 terms of the allegations like the Duke La Crosse. Remember that one? The Duke La Crosse situation
00:02:44.340 where it proved itself to be a totally fabricated sexual assault claim.
00:02:49.820 So, I mean, I was just, it's not like I was sitting here by not commenting.
00:02:54.360 That doesn't make me believe that sexual assault is good.
00:02:56.820 Of course not.
00:02:57.820 I just wanted to learn more about the story.
00:03:01.400 I think we've learned in the following weeks that the story is considerably more complicated
00:03:06.860 than those first viral posts ever suggested.
00:03:09.820 investigative records, text messages have surfaced showing that Jane Doe initially
00:03:15.080 described some of the sexual activity as consensual, actually saying, you know,
00:03:20.220 our body, our choice when they engage in these practices. And one message shortly after she even
00:03:26.460 wrote that none of the sexual activity was illegal verbatim. Anyways, all that to say,
00:03:33.100 it is okay to not know something. It's okay, uh, to, to not have to feel like you, you need to
00:03:40.040 pretend to know something that we actually don't know. We don't know anything about that night
00:03:44.400 other than what has been released. And I don't think that's enough to make a conclusion based
00:03:48.400 on the police report two years ago, the statement two years ago, and the statement that we've
00:03:52.640 recently seen today, we're going to be talking with Paula Scanlon. She's been on the show before
00:03:57.400 she went to an Ivy league herself, university of Pennsylvania. We're going to unpack the case,
00:04:01.220 the reaction to it, the evidence that's emerged, and the bigger questions it raises about
00:04:05.500 culture, sexual violence, false accusations, and due process.
00:04:14.240 Paula, thanks for joining the Riley Gaines Show. I'm super excited to chat about all the Cornell
00:04:19.560 7 stuff with you. This is a conversation that up until this point on virtually all of my socials,
00:04:26.160 And of course, on the show, I have yet to wade in on.
00:04:29.560 And I think as we're learning, probably for good reason, as we're finding out more information
00:04:34.800 about what actually happened or what it seems as if happened that day based on text messages
00:04:41.180 and things.
00:04:42.340 And I think this is a good conversation for us because you went to an Ivy League yourself.
00:04:47.140 So how are you feeling about all this?
00:04:49.500 I just think this whole thing, how is it still continuing to be the majority of what I see
00:04:54.880 in my feet?
00:04:55.400 Besides our normal topics that we probably see, my feed is all about this, or it's like football memes, and then it's like political things that are going on that are usually in my feed. I don't understand how it's been given this much airtime, really, again, for such an ongoing thing. But I think the same is true when Lindsay Clancy was happening. I think I felt similarly, right? How does this one case have all this airtime and probably billions of people, I want to say, of views posting about this?
00:05:23.560 yeah i know i and to just be very very clear and transparent you know from the beginning
00:05:30.720 i mean let it be known that sexual violence is bad sexual assault is bad yes it is prevalent i
00:05:37.280 would say on college campuses probably especially ivy league so i don't think either of us are here
00:05:42.780 to say that you know to to you know do anything other than condemn those things but i think what
00:05:48.640 we're getting to is, is this the Cornell seven and what we're seeing online? Is this that, um,
00:05:55.540 we've seen this whole, like I am Jane Doe movement online and the response, um, largely from women
00:06:01.560 following this similar to the whole, I am Lindsay Clancy thing to your point. Um, it was kind of,
00:06:07.540 when I saw this, it was kind of giving black square in 2020 to me, it was almost like you
00:06:13.060 had to immediately pledge allegiance to one side or the other but i think in a topic like this in
00:06:19.820 a discussion like this with very serious allegations i think it's okay to not immediately
00:06:25.180 take a side without knowing all of the circumstances while still saying as i just said sexual assault
00:06:32.260 is bad and should be punishable to the fullest extent of the law based on um court proceedings
00:06:38.840 and and how that's determined in a courtroom so what what did you kind of make of the whole i am
00:06:44.100 jane doe movement yeah the first the fact that we even have to come on here and specify that we
00:06:50.160 think sexual assault is bad and give that as a sort of uh disclaimer before we even dive into
00:06:55.400 this conversation i think shows how far we've lost the plot on a lot of these things i've talked a
00:07:01.680 lot on my platform of how i think the me too movement has failed in a lot of ways and i think
00:07:06.260 this is Me Too 2.0 that's really going on here. I think, yeah, I do feel similarly to the George
00:07:13.640 Floyd situation, right? This is looking to me like black square. I heard a lot of my friends 0.92
00:07:19.540 around New York who still follow some of those people with mind virus, as I like to say,
00:07:24.840 complaining about how many infographics were posted on this situation. And I just was like,
00:07:30.080 I'm so lucky I deleted my original Instagram and I've seen none of that. But I think that
00:07:35.340 we can both sit here and know that we agree that sexual assault is bad, but also understand
00:07:40.940 that we have a law that needs to investigate these things. And absolutely, if any one of those boys
00:07:46.900 assaulted this girl and something was non-consensual, I would love to see him
00:07:51.820 be punished for it properly by the law. And I don't think New York by any means is a state
00:07:57.700 that's going to be lax on that, to be clear. And people are making that argument, trying to
00:08:02.260 say that the punishments are not enough. I don't think that's true, but we need to let it be
00:08:06.760 investigated the way that it needs to be done. And I think people on social media that don't
00:08:11.360 have law degrees, that don't know these people coming on and saying that they know exactly what
00:08:15.120 happened in that room. None of us can know that. None of us can know that. And to say that you are
00:08:19.800 some expert on it, I think we've lost it. But again, same thing with Lindsay Clancy, same thing
00:08:24.480 with a lot of these other true crime cases, these people get carried away in it. And then social
00:08:29.620 media is so easily accessible. You have everyone's take on something they know nothing about.
00:08:36.120 How much of the, like I am Jane Doe messengers, um, how much of that do you think is genuine
00:08:43.360 concern? Because I would say these same people who, um, again, I don't want to overgeneralize
00:08:49.760 or put everyone in a box, but I would say probably majority of these people who are claiming to be
00:08:55.280 Jane Doe had nothing to say when Lakey and Riley was sexually assaulted and ultimately had her
00:09:02.680 life taken by an illegal immigrant. I would bet that many of these people posting that I am Jane 0.98
00:09:09.060 Doe actually want wide open borders and have no problem with child predators, rapists, abusers,
00:09:18.200 drug smugglers, cartel members, violent gang members being in this country. So how much of
00:09:24.420 this do you think is genuine concern versus people who just want to be seen as on the right side of
00:09:30.820 this issue yeah exactly that i mean there i don't see any of this outrage when other cases are
00:09:37.880 happening right lake and riley huge one wildly ignored by a lot of these same people exactly
00:09:43.120 that it's just the new you know virtue signaling event that you have to be part of same thing with
00:09:49.360 the lindsey clancy same thing with the george floyd black square i mean we can we can go down
00:09:53.440 the list of all these things they've been part of. And I think that my takeaway and something
00:09:58.600 I've shared before is I was sexually assaulted when I was a teenager and I saw people's reactions
00:10:03.200 to all of this. And I think looking at that situation, I found that a lot of the people
00:10:07.420 who were screaming about the Me Too movement or screaming about this case, they weren't there to
00:10:12.540 stand up when it was actually happening for people in their own life. And they weren't there to stand
00:10:17.340 up for people who are victims when it doesn't match the circumstance they want. Lake and Riley
00:10:21.160 is a wildly unpopular case for them to talk about because the circumstances that allow that to
00:10:26.940 happen were under failed democrat leadership policies that said hey anyone come over the
00:10:32.180 border and they they don't want to have that conversation so it's only when it matches the
00:10:36.420 narrative and for whatever reason this one matches their narrative so they've decided even though you
00:10:41.600 go look at the facts and i don't think it makes anyone look good i think i was reading through
00:10:46.660 the initial report, which I'm sure you read through as well, probably everyone else on the
00:10:51.440 internet. And I was just feeling like genuinely just disgusted. Like the entire situation, I was
00:10:56.580 just like, this seems like a very crazy out of hand night that just leaves me with disgust. And
00:11:02.400 I don't blame any of the people who are part of it for feeling disgust and wanting to investigate it.
00:11:07.520 But again, we don't know what happened. And we don't, and it's not on us to have a decision.
00:11:12.860 And so I think going back to probably your first question, I didn't really make a statement
00:11:17.580 about this.
00:11:18.140 And I saw a lot of people online posting left wing creators, right wing creators, people
00:11:22.620 in the middle, I think might've interacted with a few things, but honestly, I don't know
00:11:28.780 anything other than what we've been given.
00:11:30.760 And what we've been given is, yeah, the police are going to investigate something right now
00:11:34.120 and there's an active lawsuit.
00:11:36.120 Yeah.
00:11:36.280 um to your point about the whole lake and riley thing it's like sexual assault and sexual violence
00:11:43.500 is bad but only some sexual assault and sexual violence deserves to be punishable to the fullest
00:11:50.000 extent of the law with the victims actually being the ones who who um deserve justice
00:11:56.320 in these circumstances um we've seen some of the text messages come out now and it almost feels
00:12:03.800 serendipitous. If nothing else, it feels like irony that in her text, the text that the Jane
00:12:14.160 Doe was sending to one of the accused, she uses the phrase, our body, our choice. That line is
00:12:22.080 almost unbelievable given how politically charged this story has become. What do you think these
00:12:28.300 messages establish? What are they not established? Because, I mean, you talk about, yes, of course,
00:12:34.980 it's disgusting. Certainly not something that I would engage in. Having a threesome, foursome,
00:12:42.280 fivesome doing drugs off of some of the accused members and body parts, letting people do drugs 0.91
00:12:50.260 off of my naked body. I mean, I would never engage in that. Maybe I shouldn't yuck someone
00:12:56.740 else's yum so long as it's legal and it doesn't cost me my taxpayer dollars, whatever. But you
00:13:04.100 talk about feeling, probably feeling that sense of regret and shame and guilt following this,
00:13:10.760 especially it becoming as public as it did even two years ago now. What do you think the messages
00:13:16.720 established that we've seen thus far? Yeah. I mean, again, I think this entire thing is
00:13:22.520 is just showing really how crazy college campuses are.
00:13:26.780 Like, I think maybe it's a wake-up call for parents.
00:13:28.920 Like, hey, these are the types of things
00:13:30.860 that you might be getting involved with.
00:13:32.300 And like, I'm not going to sit here and say
00:13:33.980 there weren't crazy things that I walked in on in college.
00:13:36.620 Certainly not something like this,
00:13:38.400 but there were a lot of things I witnessed
00:13:40.180 being there alone, 18,
00:13:42.220 that I probably do not want to go tell my parents about.
00:13:46.120 Even now, probably almost 10 years later,
00:13:48.300 which is really wild to think about.
00:13:49.900 but i i think that part of this shows just culturally there are a lot of people who are
00:13:56.020 very lost and confused and um doing things that are maybe not healthy for them and i i i feel for
00:14:03.560 them but i don't think that every single time this happens you know a crime was committed and i think
00:14:09.420 that's where a lot of people have struggled in particular from what i've seen again on the
00:14:13.600 discourse on this issue is people are having a really hard time saying behavior that is not good
00:14:19.900 or morally unacceptable is equivalent to being illegal. And I think those are two very different
00:14:25.940 things. Like you and I can look at this situation and say, this is disgusting. This is immoral.
00:14:30.320 This doesn't match our values. And a lot of people can agree with us, but that doesn't
00:14:33.980 necessarily make it illegal. And I do think there is this fine line between those two things. And I
00:14:39.120 think that's up to the law to investigate and i think what's totally what i've also found just
00:14:44.640 on this is there's also people posting online trying to redefine what rape means right i don't
00:14:50.700 know if you you use my feed has been crazy okay and there are people trying to redefine these
00:14:55.300 things and i think that the last thing i will say is what this case does and honestly how it makes
00:14:58.980 me feel is i think it's harder for actual victims to step forward because if someone something
00:15:04.540 happens to someone they want to report their crime people are going to look at a case like
00:15:07.840 this and be like, well, what if the girl is actually like this girl in this situation?
00:15:11.740 I think it makes it so much harder for actual victims. No, yes, I agree with you. I actually
00:15:17.280 saw this headline the other day from the New York Post that said New York state lawmaker pitches
00:15:20.800 bill to give sex assault victims tuition reimbursement. So, I mean, what they're doing
00:15:26.620 here is financially incentivizing rape allegations. And I think that's a really slippery slope. Like
00:15:33.700 what could possibly go wrong when we financially incentivize accusing people of rape? So I agree.
00:15:42.160 And I think the number that's reported, at least that I see, or at least is cited and quoted often
00:15:48.080 is that one in four women are victims of sexual assault. Again, if that number is real, of course,
00:15:55.560 that is, it's far too prevalent to feel comfortable with. I think there should be something done to,
00:16:00.900 at least lower these numbers to prevent them altogether. But financially incentivizing rape 0.99
00:16:07.000 allegations, I think is a horrible idea. We are officially in October, which is crazy. I feel like
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00:17:54.780 Yeah, exactly that. And a lot of these left leaning states have also gone through and
00:17:58.900 changed the definitions of rape and made them a lot looser, like things that, you know, maybe
00:18:03.900 previously have been only considered harassment, now classify as rape. And so you look at things
00:18:09.240 like that. And I, I know there have been some places where like, they'll go look at the numbers
00:18:12.920 and they'll be like, Oh my gosh, rape is up 5000%. And it's because they changed the definition of
00:18:17.440 it. And I think that's something crime all the time in blue cities, too. That's what how like 0.98
00:18:21.740 gavin newsom is able to say like crime is going down well yeah when you can steal 900 out of a
00:18:26.960 store and it not be a criminal offense or a punishable offense of course crime is going to
00:18:32.140 go down so it is it's all semantics at that point and i think that's what we see riley with most of
00:18:38.620 the things that we've dealt with in our political journey right like so you and i being in this
00:18:43.480 situation it's okay they were trying to redefine what what it means to be women right that was what
00:18:49.460 we were just the definition just kept changing and nobody knew what it was. And I think that is
00:18:54.420 how the left has won on a lot of these issues is they're continuing to go through and redefine
00:19:00.940 these terms that otherwise people commonly agreed to. And I think like, again, relating back to this
00:19:06.660 case, when I first heard about the case, it was actually in my TikTok feed. And the way that I
00:19:11.420 was explained and understood it from this TikTok was that this girl was completely unconscious
00:19:15.280 and there were seven hours and everyone just went in and raped her that is how it was
00:19:19.740 explained to me first in this tiktok that showed up in my feed and then we go to uncover the case
00:19:24.300 and it's well actually it involves three different threesomes at various different people at
00:19:30.260 different hours with whatever and i was like okay that's a very different story and so part of it is
00:19:34.560 just re continuously redefining facts what words mean and that's how they won because you say oh
00:19:41.680 my gosh, rape is bad, which we both agree with. But then it's, oh, our definition of what that
00:19:46.080 word actually means is very different than what you and I think it means. Yeah. And now we're
00:19:51.440 seeing where, I mean, even the boys or the men who were involved and accused in this,
00:19:57.320 they were also like, I mean, belligerent, unconscious, if you will. They don't remember
00:20:03.540 much of it from that night. So I saw where one of the boys is actually accusing the girl of raping
00:20:09.100 him um which i think you know leads to the question of we have seen this and i don't want
00:20:15.740 to say that's what this is because again let that be for the courts to decide but let's look at
00:20:19.600 the duke lacrosse situation where there was a woman who falsely accused these men of of rape
00:20:26.300 um i feel like there should be if there is a fabricated sexual assault allegation i feel like
00:20:33.880 there should be a real consequence for the person who, who, you know, accuses the, the, the men
00:20:42.380 oftentimes in these situations. I don't know what it should be, but it should be something that is
00:20:48.320 a criminal offense to falsely accuse someone of a, of a sexual allegation. Um, because at the end of
00:20:53.280 the day, again, let's not even look at this because who knows the, the reality of the situation at
00:20:58.840 this point, but the Duke lacrosse case, those boys, their lives were essentially ruined. Their
00:21:03.400 reputations were ruined. Career opportunities, friendships, personal relationships, they lost
00:21:09.440 out on so much over a totally fabricated allegation. So are you kind of on the same page that there
00:21:15.580 should be some real recourse if there's something that is totally made up and as serious as a sexual
00:21:21.620 assault allegation? Yeah, absolutely. I think that's a good way to, you know, prevent people
00:21:27.300 from trying to do this if it's not true. And again, I think it's okay also to have the courts
00:21:32.460 investigate things and have things come out and say okay like it's not really clear what happened
00:21:36.600 here i think that's that's what happens in a lot of the times in these cases and i think that that's
00:21:40.540 unfortunate but sometimes it is the nature that it goes on to but i think on top of that i do think
00:21:46.260 there needs to be a better job of sort of keeping these names hidden i mean there's been some people
00:21:53.160 going around on twitter but there's no real confirmation that that's the girl that was
00:21:57.160 involved in this thing that hasn't i think it's weird there are so many people who are so desperate
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00:23:23.620 or check the pin comment yeah but with that we know exactly who the boys are the student newspaper
00:23:31.520 published the names of the boys and so i think what again my takeaway from this and i was talking
00:23:36.460 to one of my male friends about this actually and i was like okay like imagine i mean maybe not this
00:23:41.920 situation because this is very very absurd and i don't really know anyone who's been involved with
00:23:46.400 like this whatever was happening in this fraternity house a couple years ago but i was like
00:23:53.000 your name is already released and you can find out that you know they find you that you didn't
00:23:58.120 do anything your name's already out there and back to the duke case the same thing right the
00:24:02.460 guy's names were out in the public you can go you and i can go search right now about those three
00:24:07.420 men who were involved and were charged by this woman who turned out to be false and all of that
00:24:13.500 but their names are already out there and i think that that is a problem with these cases that they
00:24:19.740 just have released people's names and i think that that's the bigger issue even if you are found
00:24:23.960 innocent your name is already out there your reputation's already been ruined and i i think
00:24:29.920 that that that i don't know how the law can fix that i don't know how they can make it better but
00:24:33.740 i think that that is an aspect of it that they should probably crack down on too just like trying
00:24:37.320 to keep these people's names out of it because again whatever comes of this case riley those
00:24:41.480 seven guys names are everywhere and their faces are everywhere i don't know what you would i i
00:24:45.360 think you'd have to move out of the country i truly don't see we've seen where some of them
00:24:49.780 allegedly are i guess one of the guys is in dubai right now there's another guy who's somewhere else
00:24:55.380 overseas so i mean they literally are fleeing because you have to imagine i mean their reputations
00:25:01.360 are are shot shot absolutely shot and to be clear if one of them or a couple of them or however many
00:25:07.440 of them did do something wrong they deserve to have a bad reputation that is fully deserved but
00:25:12.880 again there have been nothing that has been done to prove that of any of the seven of them and to
00:25:17.020 think that their lives are already ruined and damaged by this no matter what ends up happening
00:25:21.440 i think is is just uh wildly wrong and i think part of it is is the social media craze and all
00:25:27.960 these sort of internet sleuths jumping on making accusations for people that they don't know that
00:25:33.160 they've never met and that they've never been part of this situation i i that is the part i think more
00:25:38.080 than anything i don't know how you would fix that but i think is is the most unfair like there needs
00:25:43.540 to be and relating actually back did you see that people were harassing patrick clancy running
00:25:50.020 the marathon in chicago i don't know if you saw that the same thing the court already like he's
00:25:56.740 not he's not been on trial the police would have put him on trial if there was evidence for it
00:26:00.560 there are random people online that are still harassing this man around here in new york where
00:26:05.380 i live and he just apparently ran the chicago marathon this past weekend and people were
00:26:08.700 sending him messages like accusing him of things calling him names on his chicago marathon like
00:26:16.140 runner thing on his bib number whatever it just says it's just insane and to the lindsey clancy
00:26:24.580 point which preface i don't think this way but it feels pertinent to make the comparison
00:26:30.820 all the people who are saying i am lindsey clancy who um you know stood with her because you know
00:26:36.740 she could have had and likely did have these hormonal fluctuations postpartum depression
00:26:41.620 um yada yada yada postpartum psychosis okay what if that case was being made for the the men in the
00:26:49.220 cornell 7 case oh well what if they just have really high testosterone levels what if they
00:26:54.700 couldn't help themselves it was primal it was instinctual that they couldn't help it they were 0.75
00:27:00.240 out of their right mind, do we realize how ridiculous that sounds? Again, I don't think 0.63
00:27:05.300 that way, but I think it's important to kind of make that connection and highlight the hypocrisy
00:27:10.860 that we are seeing in talking about justice and what actually happened in these cases
00:27:17.700 and what we're blaming our actions on. Again, I'm not saying pertaining to the Lindsay Clancy case,
00:27:24.800 Again, let the courts decide. I will say I feel entirely confident. And I say emphatically that she did kill her children because that's not what being is what is being disputed. Her lawyer only recently has made that case because he has seen the TikTok sleuths, to your point, online saying, what if she actually didn't do it? That was never disputed in the initial trial.
00:27:47.880 So I feel confident saying she did murder her three kids. That's that's different when making that claim here. But otherwise, let the courts play it out. But I feel like it's important to make that distinction here.
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00:29:05.160 what do you think are things that parents should teach both their sons and their daughters
00:29:10.440 respectively when it comes to, I mean, being a young adult in the real world, maybe going off
00:29:17.020 to college for the first time? How should, what are some of the messages that parents should
00:29:20.840 instill in both their daughters and their sons? Yeah, well, I think the first is the quality of
00:29:27.280 being honest and being real with yourself. I think there's a lot of coddling. And I think
00:29:31.980 maybe what I see from this is a lot of kids who are either told, like, you can always get what
00:29:36.140 you want. You know, it's OK if you lie because you feel like it. I think that's something I sort
00:29:42.220 of see from a lot of people I've grown to know and that are in our age range. And it's unfortunate.
00:29:47.840 But I think also that you're accountable for your own actions. And I think also, finally,
00:29:52.560 you are going to make mistakes i can't tell you the number of things like not pertaining to
00:29:58.240 anything that happened over there but that i've i've just in my in college in life just felt
00:30:03.780 regret about or messed up there were so many things in like my swimming career that i i was
00:30:08.020 just so unhappy with even pre you know a man being put on my team but i had to learn that it's okay
00:30:14.760 to accept responsibility for those things and it's okay to have regrets and it's okay to have things
00:30:20.100 go differently than you would have wished. But that doesn't mean that you're not accountable
00:30:23.500 for your own actions. And that doesn't mean that you're a bad person. And I think that is something
00:30:28.300 I see people struggle with. But I do think social media is a really big part of it. And I don't know
00:30:33.920 how we crack down on that. But maybe don't believe everything that you see online without
00:30:40.180 jumping to your own conclusions. I think it's important to read the facts for yourself and
00:30:44.300 make your own decisions, independent of what your favorite online creator is telling you.
00:30:48.360 No, I agree. Yeah, I think that's good. You're right. It's increasingly hard in today's world, especially on the social media front. But it is important because it's ultimately how we perceive reality in real life.
00:31:03.960 And what I have come to learn, especially over the past year, I mean, across the board, that there are several reasons why I really feel strongly about this now, saying that social media is not indicative of real life, even kind of like the Candace Owens side of things, where she accuses Erica Kirk and everyone else under the sun, other than Tyler Robinson, of murdering Charlie and seeing people online.
00:31:28.280 you would feel like it's a pretty big portion of society actually feels this way if you only read
00:31:32.660 comments online. But when you remove yourself from that and you talk to real people who aren't
00:31:37.480 chronically online, you realize that is such a fringe belief. Whatever. Anyways, again, let the
00:31:45.100 courts decide. They're the ones with the evidence, not Candace Owens. So I'm with you. Online isn't
00:31:52.380 real. Teach your sons to respect women. Hold your daughters to a higher moral standard. Yeah, I 0.99
00:31:58.180 i'm right there with you but i appreciate you paula thanks for coming on and chatting all
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