Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - Sonja Shaw's Fight for Fairness

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00:01:17.660 Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast.

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00:01:46.320 Very excited for today's guest.

00:01:49.260 We are going to be talking about something that really has just taken over the media narrative over the past few days.

00:01:57.140 That is President Trump's tweet really directly adding Gavin Newsom surrounding the issue of boys and girls sports.

00:02:05.340 You may remember a few months ago, Gavin Newsom was on a podcast with Charlie Kirk,

00:02:09.800 who was the CEO, the founder of Turning Point.

00:02:12.240 He's awesome.

00:02:12.900 He goes on college campuses all the time, have so much respect and admiration for what Charlie Kirk is doing specifically to the youth.

00:02:19.820 But they were engaging in this conversation on Gavin Newsom's podcast about the issue of men and women's sports.

00:02:26.260 Charlie Kirk was the first person, really, that I have seen to directly ask Governor Newsom,

00:02:31.920 do you agree with men and women's sports, to which Governor Newsom responds back with, it's deeply unfair.

00:02:38.560 It's not just unfair.

00:02:39.800 He goes as far to say it is deeply unfair, but not unfair enough for him to actually do something about it.

00:02:47.260 So President Trump has put him on the hot seat.

00:02:50.100 I'm very excited to see where this goes over the next few weeks.

00:02:54.280 Who will get involved?

00:02:55.260 Will the Department of Justice get involved?

00:02:57.080 Will the Office of Civil Rights, the Department of Education, what will we see happen here?

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00:04:31.680 Okay, today we are talking to Sonia Shaw.

00:04:35.180 She is a mom, first and foremost.

00:04:39.060 She is a Christian.

00:04:40.560 She is a current Chino Valley School Board member.

00:04:44.280 She's actually the board president.

00:04:46.440 There's a video I want to show.

00:04:47.960 I think she does the best job of introducing herself and the position that she has taken

00:04:53.220 on these issues that affect women and girls, that affect parental rights, that affect the

00:04:57.940 safeguarding of children.

00:04:58.980 Let's check it out.

00:04:59.780 It's crucial to protect our girls and our females.

00:05:02.540 And as a mother, I will always stand by and protect females and women in sports and to

00:05:08.420 make sure they're safe in their safe spaces, such as a bathroom and a locker room.

00:05:13.280 I will and I will continue to do that.

00:05:15.840 I did that as a mother.

00:05:16.800 I do that as a board member.

00:05:18.340 Our female athletes deserve the opportunities. 1.00

00:05:21.900 And I will say their sacrifices, their blood, their tears, their work, I see it firsthand.

00:05:28.040 I am a mother of two beautiful, hardworking athletes.

00:05:31.380 And they invest.

00:05:32.860 And they deserve protection.

00:05:34.460 And I'm appalled by the idea that their dreams can be shattered.

00:05:38.120 Taking away someone else's rights to give somebody else somebody else's rights,

00:05:42.460 that's not equal opportunity.

00:05:44.660 Clearly, you can tell she is fierce.

00:05:47.720 This incident that President Trump is referring to when he talks about this transition male

00:05:52.220 athlete who was mediocre when competing against the men.

00:05:54.680 Now he's basically unbeatable.

00:05:56.360 That's how Trump phrases it in his tweet that we will get into in this episode.

00:06:00.300 Competing against the girls.

00:06:02.280 A few weeks back, there was a big CIF meet, a meet in California where this boy was competing

00:06:08.320 against the girls and high jump and triple jump and long jump.

00:06:11.760 Winning virtually everything.

00:06:14.020 The boy's mother approached our guest today, Sonia Shaw.

00:06:18.600 And they get into it.

00:06:20.180 The mother is initially the aggressor. 0.65

00:06:22.220 But we've got a clip here.

00:06:23.860 And I think it's so remarkable because Sonia does not back down.

00:06:27.440 And that is what we need to see more of.

00:06:29.160 Let's watch it.

00:06:29.640 I have a right to speak truth.

00:06:31.620 Boys and boys, girls are girls.

00:06:33.320 You should not belong competing against those girls, period. 1.00

00:06:36.900 What a coward of a woman you are allowing that. 1.00

00:06:38.760 What a coward of a woman you are allowing that. 1.00

00:06:40.360 Telling our woman? 1.00

00:06:41.660 Telling girls to go and compete against a boy? 0.95

00:06:44.900 How embarrassing.

00:06:45.900 You're a mother.

00:06:47.020 You're a mother.

00:06:48.260 Stand up like a mother. 0.89

00:06:49.360 I am a mother.

00:06:50.100 I'm protecting girls.

00:06:51.020 We're going to discuss in this episode what happens following this interaction between

00:06:55.960 the boy's mother and our guest today.

00:06:57.960 But make sure you check it out.

00:06:59.620 Stay with us.

00:07:00.480 This is the interview with Sonia Shaw.

00:07:02.540 Sonia, thank you so much for joining the Games for Girls podcast.

00:07:05.960 I had the opportunity a few weeks ago to meet you in real life.

00:07:09.520 And what a pleasure that was.

00:07:11.180 You have been someone who has been on the front lines in the place where it is needed

00:07:16.200 most for a very, very long time.

00:07:19.420 Far longer than, I mean, even people like myself even knew this debate, this topic was

00:07:27.140 ongoing.

00:07:27.960 It was happening in our great nation.

00:07:30.020 So before we get into any of the recent national news of Governor Gavin Newsom really in the

00:07:36.300 hot seat, will you just take a brief second and tell us a little bit about who you are?

00:07:41.180 Yeah, I'm a mom of two female athletes, first of all. 0.92

00:07:45.680 And I got involved in this entire thing of this crazy world of politics only because I

00:07:50.440 knew I had a moral obligation when the shutdowns happened.

00:07:53.800 I didn't even know what a school board member was.

00:07:56.160 I'll be honest, I wasn't paying any attention to elections.

00:07:59.380 We were living our life, you know, just trying to provide for our kids.

00:08:02.380 And I wanted to be a full-time mom because I grew up without a mom.

00:08:05.480 When the shutdown happened, I realized, oh, so this is happening behind the scenes, right?

00:08:09.680 I was room mom.

00:08:10.520 I was art mom.

00:08:11.060 I was PE mom because I was a fitness trainer.

00:08:14.020 But I never realized what was going on as a whole, the system, what it was designed to

00:08:18.920 do.

00:08:19.700 And so we started attending these school board meetings and we quickly realized it was a

00:08:24.020 machine that was there to destroy the future of our children.

00:08:27.640 I got involved, you know, the union spent, a union and special interest spent, it was a

00:08:32.500 total of 150,000 that we know of to run against me, just a mom running on school board. 1.00

00:08:37.420 But we did that, that election cycle changed those two seats.

00:08:41.980 In this last one, we now have a 5-0 in Chino Valley that support protecting kids.

00:08:48.100 Well, you know, we brought common sense policies forward.

00:08:51.760 Newsom and the rest of them don't like it.

00:08:53.180 They've sued us already before and threatened us on other things.

00:08:55.780 But here I am just trying to fight the good fight to protect our kids.

00:08:59.740 5-0 in California.

00:09:01.640 Yeah.

00:09:02.360 That's no easy feat.

00:09:04.380 But it speaks to, I think a couple of things.

00:09:07.340 Of course, it speaks to the persistence of everyday parents like you who said, I mean, I think

00:09:13.540 of myself, this was not an issue.

00:09:15.320 I don't want to say it's an issue I didn't care about because, of course, I did.

00:09:19.400 I've known it's wrong the entire time.

00:09:21.260 But it just wasn't a priority to me to take this stand until I was directly impacted.

00:09:27.060 So it speaks to the ability of everyday, I mean, just normal people, moms and dads, to

00:09:33.300 have a difference.

00:09:34.320 And it speaks to how I think Americans, Californians specifically, are fed up.

00:09:38.920 And I think it's important you mentioned, first and foremost, you are a mother.

00:09:43.380 That's pretty powerful.

00:09:45.320 This past week, the state of California, specifically Gavin Newsom, has been in the hot seat.

00:09:51.820 We have known Gavin Newsom to be this fence sitter, whether it's men and women sports,

00:09:56.260 whether it's COVID, whatever the topic is, he has sat on the fence continually and winked

00:10:01.200 at both sides.

00:10:02.180 He's very charming.

00:10:03.220 He's like that slimy car salesman, right?

00:10:05.680 But I believe we are now, especially the people outside of California, who don't have to deal

00:10:11.620 with his radical policies, who have to live through the destructive nature of what he is

00:10:16.360 enforcing.

00:10:17.120 We see through that at this point.

00:10:19.180 All that to say, President Trump, just this past week, he put out a tweet, and it was like

00:10:24.740 super early in the morning, which is in true Trump fashion.

00:10:27.760 He says, California, under the leadership of radical left Democrat Gavin Newsom, which is

00:10:32.360 hilarious, continues to illegally allow men to play in women's sports.

00:10:36.040 This week, a transitioned male athlete at a major event won everything and is now qualified

00:10:40.040 to compete in the state finals next weekend.

00:10:42.560 As a male, he was less than an average competitor.

00:10:44.940 And as a female, this transition person is practically unbeatable. 0.99

00:10:48.400 This is not fair and totally demeaning to women and girls.

00:10:50.780 Please be hereby advised that large-scale federal funding will be held back, maybe permanently,

00:10:56.160 if the executive order on this subject matter is not adhered to.

00:10:59.260 The governor himself said it's unfair.

00:11:01.080 I will speak to him today to find out which way he wants to go.

00:11:03.840 In the meantime, I am ordering local authorities, if necessary, to not allow the transition person 1.00

00:11:08.280 to compete in the state finals.

00:11:10.080 This is a totally ridiculous situation. 0.65

00:11:12.820 And of course, when he refers to Gavin Newsom, calling this situation deeply unfair, this is 0.95

00:11:18.840 what he's referencing.

00:11:19.720 It's a podcast with Charlie Kirk.

00:11:22.120 So you right now should come out and be like, you know what?

00:11:25.160 The young man who's about to win the state championship in the long jump in female sports,

00:11:29.280 that shouldn't happen.

00:11:31.200 You as the governor should step out and say no.

00:11:33.040 No, and I appreciate it.

00:11:34.360 But like, would you do something like that?

00:11:35.840 Would you say no men in female sports? 0.99

00:11:37.300 Well, I think it's an issue of fairness.

00:11:38.940 I completely agree with you on that.

00:11:40.540 So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that.

00:11:43.060 There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, 1.00

00:11:48.480 have anxiety and depression.

00:11:49.540 And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard

00:11:55.260 time with as well.

00:11:56.420 So both things I can hold in my hand.

00:11:59.020 How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think is inherent in you,

00:12:04.620 but not always expressed?

00:12:06.640 You're involved in this situation on a day-to-day basis.

00:12:10.060 You see it personally.

00:12:10.820 You've been at these meets where the male athlete that President Trump is referring to is competing.

00:12:15.360 Can you just provide a little insight for those of us who maybe are first only hearing about

00:12:20.540 this situation from President Trump's tweet?

00:12:23.480 Yeah, you know what?

00:12:24.420 We've been sounding the alarm, obviously, California.

00:12:26.620 We say it over and over.

00:12:28.260 Whatever happens in California, you know, so goes the nation.

00:12:30.880 Because let's be real, it does start to go throughout the nation.

00:12:34.460 This kid is about to go, you know, nationals when he competes.

00:12:38.120 But we've been fighting the good fight.

00:12:39.620 Again, when I was just a mom and Biden was trying to pervert Title IX and change it to allow

00:12:45.000 boys in there, we were fighting it back then and asking and begging our school board to be a voice.

00:12:50.540 You see the legislators in Sacramento.

00:12:53.600 Newsom plays both sides.

00:12:54.800 I'm glad that you pointed that out because he knows he has the majority, the super majority

00:12:58.880 in California to allow it to happen.

00:13:01.000 So he's able to play like that smooth, slimy dude, you know, on both sides because nothing

00:13:06.380 will change.

00:13:07.680 We've had assembly members, senators bring up bills and they don't even get a hearing.

00:13:11.780 And one time they got like a partial hearing, they referred to us parents as the Nazis, right?

00:13:17.520 But with that said, we have, you know, a California School Board Association here in California

00:13:21.780 that proposes policies.

00:13:24.040 And again, they propose policies that, you know, even keep secrets from parents.

00:13:28.020 And part of it's tied into the law that, you know, advocates for faith and freedom and

00:13:33.560 California Family Council are now really active on trying to fight that law, AB 1266.

00:13:38.340 But with that said, I co-authored a resolution to try to show parents in their own communities

00:13:43.900 when board members brought this up, who you need to like switch those seats for, right?

00:13:49.020 So we did that.

00:13:49.840 And we also, when President Trump did that, it was a sigh of relief that finally, finally

00:13:56.220 he's reading the letters and listening.

00:13:58.600 And I know he's busy.

00:13:59.620 Trust me, I get it.

00:14:00.440 There's a lot of damage control he has to go in with his team to do a lot, especially

00:14:04.800 here in California.

00:14:05.520 But the good thing was, is our school board even passed a action item and we sent Trump

00:14:11.120 a letter and that allowed us to speak on it as a district, not just individuals anymore.

00:14:16.420 And we did say, you know, President Trump, please intervene, aka let's please pull the

00:14:22.260 funding.

00:14:22.740 We already know you've given many opportunities.

00:14:24.900 You've said it, you've given warnings.

00:14:26.880 It's time to put some teeth into the action over here in California because this has been

00:14:31.560 happening for far too long.

00:14:33.080 It's not just this one athlete.

00:14:34.320 And you know that, Riley, I mean, going back to seeing the story, the stories and the nightmare

00:14:39.760 that you and your own teammates had to endure through this.

00:14:42.980 This has been going on, you know, I think since 2012, from what we're finding out here

00:14:47.560 in California, it's just a growing number because of the way that the system is confusing

00:14:51.680 these kids.

00:14:52.300 I mean, the sad part is, you know, all kids on both sides are being hurt, but the reality

00:14:59.740 is it's the girls that are the real victims here.

00:15:02.580 And we saw CIF, we've been to their meetings, Riley, like we go to their yearly meetings

00:15:07.700 and we beg them, please, please, please just be a voice.

00:15:10.860 Like we understand there's a law, but you could put out a resolution that says that you know

00:15:15.680 that this is wrong.

00:15:16.440 But instead, all of these organizations doubled down.

00:15:19.980 I mean, I think you're aware of the toolkit that CIF put out, pretty much showing what

00:15:25.760 you had said that they were teaching you guys or trying to tell you guys to do when it comes

00:15:30.680 to a male athlete on your team, right?

00:15:33.680 But again, I think this is a step in the right direction.

00:15:36.300 I just wish we can push fast forward and get it done now so we could stop this madness

00:15:41.600 because one day is another daughter hurt, you know, and then another daughter that didn't

00:15:45.880 need to be hurt in this situation.

00:15:48.180 No doubt about it.

00:15:49.680 And I'm with you enough with the warnings.

00:15:52.140 There has been an ample amount of time at this point, especially when you have Governor

00:15:55.740 Mills of Maine, who has been made an example of, right?

00:15:59.320 She had this, what she believed to be this mic drop moment with President Trump.

00:16:03.040 She says, look, I'll see you in court.

00:16:04.460 You know, he says, well, you're going to follow federal law.

00:16:08.400 I am federal law.

00:16:09.460 She says, sorry, we're going to follow state law.

00:16:12.100 Enough with the warnings.

00:16:13.300 If states, governors, if these legislative bodies continually and defiantly ignore federal

00:16:20.080 law, then why in the world would they receive federal funds?

00:16:23.800 Which is really tragic, right?

00:16:25.200 When you think about what these federal funds, especially in the educational realm, are going

00:16:29.180 to.

00:16:29.940 School lunches, I mean, the list goes on. 0.94

00:16:31.920 And all of that's at risk because you have cowards, just as you said, who are unwilling 0.57

00:16:36.680 to do the thing that they know to be right.

00:16:39.180 And I say they know it to be right because you mentioned CIF, right?

00:16:42.960 Which is the, I guess, scholastic governing body of sports in California.

00:16:49.160 They released a statement just yesterday, not at all an adequate response following President

00:16:55.200 Trump's threats to pull these funds.

00:16:58.000 Their response says, CIF values all of our student athletes, blah, blah, blah, all the

00:17:02.820 classic virtue signaling.

00:17:04.080 But they say, with this in mind, the CIF will now be implementing a pilot entry process for

00:17:09.840 the 2025 CIF State Track and Field Championships.

00:17:12.620 And what this means is any woman, they use the phrasing biological female, which just irks

00:17:18.300 me so badly.

00:17:20.080 Any woman, any biological female student athlete who would have earned the next qualifying mark 0.99

00:17:25.160 for one of their section's automatic qualifying entries for the state meet and did not achieve

00:17:29.760 the state at-large mark in the finals at their section meet, basically saying if a girl placed

00:17:35.260 ninth but would have gone to state if she placed eighth, she will now be extended an opportunity

00:17:40.500 to participate in the state track and field championships.

00:17:43.800 The boy will be too, but this allows those girls to be able to compete as well.

00:17:48.860 Again, they're admitting that girls are being pushed out of their sports by boys, but they're 0.97

00:17:54.200 also admitting that the boys' feelings just matter more.

00:17:56.900 And say the quiet part out loud, they're literally saying they're invited back to play against

00:18:02.240 the same boys that won them and beat them in their own sport.

00:18:06.120 And it's like, since someone make this make sense, and that's what we're saying, common

00:18:09.840 sense needs to prevail in these situations.

00:18:12.580 And I'll go back to what you said many, many times, they're more worried about the feelings

00:18:17.420 of the boys than they are of the safety of our girls.

00:18:19.760 I mean, you even go back to the locker rooms.

00:18:22.860 I mean, you had nightmare stories and you're one athlete.

00:18:25.640 Imagine that across the nation, right?

00:18:27.400 That's happening.

00:18:28.460 These girls are being exposed to so many things.

00:18:30.540 People were reaching out to us in our own inboxes saying how, you know, these particular

00:18:35.300 athletes are in the locker room, just, you know, girls are getting dressed, they're in 0.80

00:18:39.780 their undergarments, sometimes, you know, fully naked.

00:18:43.060 And there's boys just walking around, roaming in there.

00:18:45.500 Like, how is that even real life right now?

00:18:48.580 Like, it just does not make sense at all.

00:18:51.280 And I know you mentioned about the funding, and it is heartbreaking.

00:18:55.360 But at the same token, the federal funding has been so misused.

00:18:58.880 I mean, kids are failing at reading, writing, math.

00:19:01.200 Look at the ideologies.

00:19:02.100 Look at what they're putting into, you know, the classroom.

00:19:05.680 But again, look at the sports.

00:19:07.680 You know, it's all part of it.

00:19:09.840 And if they're misusing it, they shouldn't get it, right?

00:19:13.160 Like, take it away because they're not even using it for the right reasons.

00:19:16.260 And I say, so the money, yes, it hurts to take it away.

00:19:20.240 But at the same token, we continue to pay for this as adults, right, to see a child go

00:19:25.140 through this pain.

00:19:25.860 And what money in the world is worth to sit there and allow this to happen on our watch?

00:19:31.080 Not on my watch and not on a lot that we're starting to link arms with, especially with

00:19:35.160 those warriors like yourself, young and brave and courageous.

00:19:37.960 We need more of that to just stand up and even join lawsuits. 1.00

00:19:41.940 Riley, it's so, like, I commend you because you took a stand and it's a very great stand

00:19:50.500 that most people look at you as a hero, but also at the same token, others have that same

00:19:55.200 opportunity to take that stand and stop this.

00:19:57.380 And there's so much fear installed in them to do that, right?

00:20:01.260 Because they try to make examples of people like you, myself, and others, like, you know,

00:20:06.140 with the death threats, you being held hostage, and just these crazy things.

00:20:11.940 But again, we're adults.

00:20:13.720 And if they're doing that to us, that just shows us what they want to do to our own children

00:20:17.780 and how bad they want control over them, right?

00:20:20.440 So true.

00:20:24.260 You've been to some of these meets.

00:20:26.680 I've seen several clips of you, other activists, if you will, who are standing outside.

00:20:32.040 They're holding press conferences.

00:20:33.280 You have your signs.

00:20:34.220 What do you feel the vibe is from the female athletes? 1.00

00:20:39.200 Of course, there was this video that went viral of this young girl by the name of Reese

00:20:44.160 Hogan, who I've been able to communicate with, talk with.

00:20:47.560 I mean, she shared with me personally and privately about how discouraging this is, how

00:20:53.040 belittling this is, how much of a betrayal this is from people she believed to have her

00:20:58.940 best interests at heart, whose job it was to protect her, who had failed her entirely,

00:21:03.660 that we have a video of her where she's the rightful champion, but she's standing on the

00:21:09.240 second place podium as the boy is standing atop the podium.

00:21:13.060 But it was so remarkable because when everyone gets off the podium, including the boy, she

00:21:17.900 steps up to number one.

00:21:19.660 And I thought that was just brilliant.

00:21:22.100 Again, it was so beautifully done.

00:21:23.680 And so all that to say, is that kind of the overall vibe, if you will, that you can sense

00:21:31.880 from the female athletes who are, again, at the will of CIF, at the will of people like

00:21:37.020 Gavin Newsom?

00:21:38.360 Yeah.

00:21:38.480 And I got the chills when you just said that.

00:21:40.220 Of course, we all seen that moment.

00:21:42.080 And I hope if people didn't, they go and watch it because it is a beautiful moment.

00:21:45.500 And it's so true.

00:21:46.380 She is the champion alongside so many other girls that had that ripped away.

00:21:50.600 The meet, I think it was an eye opener, right?

00:21:53.420 Because you had the majority of people that didn't even know.

00:21:57.160 They had no clue that the girls were having to endure that or it was even happening in front 0.99

00:22:02.460 of their own eyes, right?

00:22:03.660 Because they're in stands.

00:22:05.000 So let's be fair.

00:22:06.700 You know, sometimes it's not very easily to be seen.

00:22:09.440 But when we did hold the press conference, it brought a lot of awareness that day.

00:22:13.060 And just to see the athletes come up to us and thank us, it kind of put like a knife in

00:22:19.980 my stomach.

00:22:20.520 Like no child should have to come up to us and thank us for being a voice.

00:22:24.560 Like that was just the thing that hit me the hardest.

00:22:27.540 Like how sad is it that they are sitting there living this nightmare and they're thinking

00:22:32.300 just people just doing what we should be doing, right?

00:22:35.680 We should be protecting them.

00:22:37.680 This is not some crazy act that we're doing.

00:22:40.000 It's something anybody can do and everybody can do.

00:22:42.820 There was a very small minority of activists on the other side that were extremely aggressive.

00:22:50.340 They followed us around.

00:22:51.380 We were there to really honestly just cheer on the girls, bring awareness to what was going

00:22:56.140 on and give the girls a voice. 1.00

00:22:58.240 The girls were so kind, so sweet.

00:23:00.300 They wanted nothing to be put towards that athlete, which shows me their heart.

00:23:05.140 Like they're just, they want their fair chance, right?

00:23:07.900 And the activists are the ones that get super aggressive in your face, yell, they bring out

00:23:13.100 their cameras, they follow you around, they heckle, and then they claim to be victim.

00:23:17.920 That's what they do, right?

00:23:19.780 But at the same token, I think people watching that happen in real life, I've gotten so many

00:23:25.580 messages like, oh my goodness, we didn't even know this was happening.

00:23:28.180 Coaches were walking up to us, please don't stop this fight.

00:23:32.140 My girls are being affected by this. 1.00

00:23:34.300 There was, you know, even male athletes coming up and saying, you know, what do we do?

00:23:40.140 I remember one male athlete said, should they just go and compete against this boy and show

00:23:44.840 them how they would put them in his rightful spot and placement?

00:23:48.600 And I'm like, okay, you know, we just have to stop this because it's causing too much

00:23:53.620 division and it's not necessary.

00:23:55.200 And these girls, again, you said it, she shared some very intimate things and it's stuff that

00:23:59.920 you had experienced as well.

00:24:02.500 And no child should have to be going through that.

00:24:05.000 It's common sense.

00:24:06.120 I mean, a boy is a boy, a girl is a girl. 0.98

00:24:07.980 If the boys want to dress up and put makeup on and compete against the boys, then, oh, I

00:24:12.360 mean, what can we do?

00:24:13.140 We can't stop that.

00:24:14.480 I mean, that can happen.

00:24:16.280 But at the same token, it's just bizarre that this is even real life.

00:24:21.000 It feels like a bad dream, like a bad nightmare.

00:24:23.400 Wake us up so these kids can be, you know, given their rightful spots on the podium and

00:24:28.580 not have to take it after the boys leave the podium.

00:24:32.900 Yeah, and you're right.

00:24:33.440 The worst part is that it's entirely avoidable and preventable, but it just takes a little

00:24:39.280 bit of a backbone.

00:24:40.060 And you mentioned some of these activists on the other side.

00:24:44.240 You recently, I don't know how much you can or can't talk about this, but you recently

00:24:48.420 had a cease and desist that was sent your way from the boy, the boy we've been referring

00:24:55.280 to in this episode, the boy that President Trump is referring to in his tweet.

00:24:59.760 This boy's mom sent you a cease and desist.

00:25:03.240 Is there anything that you can, I mean, just shed some light?

00:25:07.180 I'm an open book, you know, I am also an elected official.

00:25:11.800 So anything that comes into my inbox, it's purview pretty much unless it's, you know,

00:25:16.900 student privacy in regards to lawsuits or whatever it may be.

00:25:19.880 But when it comes directly to me and I'm named and stuff, it's purview to the public.

00:25:24.540 So I did post it on social media.

00:25:26.180 And, you know, we got, I got a copy of it prior to me coming into the board meeting

00:25:30.740 and getting the physical copy.

00:25:33.400 Jessica Tapia and I both received something very similar.

00:25:36.780 It's almost like a copy and paste, right?

00:25:38.260 Except mine had to do with being elected.

00:25:39.780 But when I was during that board meeting, right before the board meeting, I had gone in text

00:25:46.700 message from one of our athletes, the mothers of one of our track athletes, not the one directly

00:25:53.920 affected by the boy, but her teammates were.

00:25:56.820 And they said, oh my gosh, the boy just took over the placement of one of our Chino Valley

00:26:01.820 Unified School District athletes.

00:26:03.760 And I'm looking in my pile of mail at the meeting and, you know, I have to conduct the

00:26:08.600 meeting as the president.

00:26:10.540 And it was in my head, like when my comments came and these people just come to the podium,

00:26:15.220 they lie, they do all these crazy things.

00:26:17.440 And I'm looking at that cease and desist. 0.98

00:26:19.240 And I'm like, that thing belongs in the trash.

00:26:20.700 No one will ever shut me up.

00:26:21.940 You have to put me in handcuffs before I stop telling the truth.

00:26:24.800 And I would still tell the truth at that point.

00:26:27.120 And I took it and I, you know, I just ripped it up.

00:26:29.800 And I remember someone asking me, where is it?

00:26:32.960 And I'm like, it's in the trash where it belongs.

00:26:35.580 Are you seriously?

00:26:36.480 You threw it away?

00:26:37.160 Yes, I did.

00:26:38.200 And, you know, that mother approached me at the track meet, the mother of the boy.

00:26:44.140 And of course, they will never show the beginning part of, you know, her approaching me because

00:26:48.260 it shows that she was the aggressor all while they try to claim that I was there heckling

00:26:52.020 the mother.

00:26:52.800 I didn't even go near the mother.

00:26:54.080 I was there with another mom at the fence cheering on the girls.

00:26:56.900 But just last week, Riley, I got another, I was named in a formal complaint to our district

00:27:04.240 alongside one of our athletes, which I will be, again, protective over.

00:27:08.840 They could drag me through the mud all they want. 0.91

00:27:11.260 But, you know, that's what angered me the most.

00:27:13.420 Not that I was named in the complaint. 0.59

00:27:14.920 I get those, you know, all the time from these crazy activists for telling the truth.

00:27:18.640 But when they name a child that just wants their rightful spot and their rights, you

00:27:24.400 know, that they should have and they shouldn't be taken away, that's where I just can't.

00:27:29.480 I'll never give up the fight.

00:27:31.100 And in this letter, again, it was from the mother of the boy, very long letter.

00:27:36.120 I think it was three pages.

00:27:38.220 It said that she wanted all agencies to be used against me, including CPS, which is

00:27:42.960 Child Protective Services.

00:27:44.020 And I'm over here thinking, you want Child Protective Services called on another mother 0.99

00:27:49.720 for protecting our daughters.

00:27:52.240 It just shows you how they weaponize and they weaponize the system to stop those of us, including

00:27:59.120 yourself, right, to speak truth and finally get this solved.

00:28:04.240 Look, we know it's not going to be solved in a day and it's going to take a lot more.

00:28:08.560 And we're on the ground working and we appreciate when people bring stuff to light.

00:28:12.700 We have no clue that, you know, something might go and hit the headlines every day of

00:28:17.940 this.

00:28:18.340 I mean, we took our first family vacation the last two days.

00:28:21.980 We've been dealing with this, you know, on our family vacation.

00:28:24.420 I would never, ever give up the opportunity to be able to have a voice for these girls

00:28:29.100 and, you know, fight the good fight to stop this insanity.

00:28:33.260 But again, they can do everything they want.

00:28:36.080 I mean, I remember the mom at the track meet.

00:28:38.540 She just kept telling me to shut up. 1.00

00:28:40.040 And I said, how is that cease and desist?

00:28:41.540 It didn't make me shut up.

00:28:42.460 Why don't you just sue me now?

00:28:43.840 Like, what are they going to sue me for, though?

00:28:46.060 They can threaten you.

00:28:47.360 I really want to know what it is.

00:28:49.100 Like, what are they going to do to sue me for my First Amendment rights and truth?

00:28:52.760 Like, it's just bizarre.

00:28:54.520 Like, they'll use every tactic, which it does work for the majority of the people.

00:28:59.760 Most people don't want to go through what they tried to put us through as the example,

00:29:03.800 right?

00:29:04.080 Like, they've even gone after my husband's work at one point, like how we provide for our

00:29:08.320 family.

00:29:08.640 You know, I gave up my job during COVID, and our family relied on my small income, you

00:29:15.320 know, to bring into our family.

00:29:16.480 But I gave it up to fight this good fight.

00:29:18.380 And not one day do I ever regret or look back and say, you know what?

00:29:22.520 I don't.

00:29:23.020 We just need more people to just do their part.

00:29:26.480 Like, everybody has a gift in fighting for common sense.

00:29:30.800 And that's just my plea to everybody.

00:29:32.360 Like, look, some of us will be on the forefront.

00:29:35.060 We'll take the swings.

00:29:37.100 We can swing back.

00:29:38.180 Some of us are born fighters.

00:29:39.460 That's okay.

00:29:40.480 But then there's others behind the scenes.

00:29:42.060 It's like, I just...

00:29:43.580 That's my biggest hope is don't ever, like, let this happen.

00:29:46.900 With...

00:29:47.300 Even with Newsom, what they're doing right now.

00:29:48.840 Oh, we're going to have a third trophy category.

00:29:52.020 Well, the girls still are competing against the boys.

00:29:53.920 What is that?

00:29:54.660 Like, don't put your guard down.

00:29:56.340 That's just a Band-Aid.

00:29:57.640 So when everybody's not paying attention, they're going to rip it back off.

00:30:00.520 Right?

00:30:01.040 And that's not even a...

00:30:02.680 That's not even a fix.

00:30:03.780 That's actually a joke.

00:30:05.040 Like, oh, we're going to have them in the same podium, but give them a separate...

00:30:10.080 Like, what?

00:30:11.580 What is happening?

00:30:13.540 Yeah.

00:30:14.020 I don't know.

00:30:14.520 It's crazy.

00:30:15.700 No.

00:30:15.940 Well, that it is, and I agree with you.

00:30:18.500 I've been saying it from the beginning.

00:30:19.980 Every single person has a role, right?

00:30:23.100 And I approach this, of course, as a Christian, first and foremost, and understanding that we

00:30:27.200 are a body of Christ.

00:30:29.920 Some people are the hands.

00:30:31.000 Some people are the feet.

00:30:31.880 Some people, maybe like you and me, wear the mouths.

00:30:34.660 But every single person has a role to fulfill, especially when it comes to something like this.

00:30:40.120 So I could not agree more.

00:30:42.540 So what is the answer here?

00:30:44.100 And I think more importantly, what are you expecting Gavin Newsom to do next?

00:30:50.060 Well, I'm not expecting much from him, honestly. 1.00

00:30:53.180 He's a coward. 0.99

00:30:53.840 He's going to still keep dancing around that law. 0.95

00:30:56.020 But what I am expecting is that hopefully, prayfully, people join more of the lawsuit,

00:31:01.220 and then Trump also pulls the funding.

00:31:03.940 If he pulls the funding, look, it's not an easy step.

00:31:07.160 But it will show that you mess around, you're going to find out, right?

00:31:11.260 We're not going to play with this anymore.

00:31:14.420 But at the same token, you know, a lot of smaller districts, they will not survive.

00:31:18.280 Districts like ours will survive because we're not mismanaging the funds like most districts,

00:31:22.960 right?

00:31:23.480 So that's why we did ask, you know, we don't expect all districts throughout California

00:31:28.020 to offer, you know, Trump to intervene.

00:31:32.040 But we're trying to say, like, work with us on the ground.

00:31:34.680 We just hope to have that voice at the table to try to figure out how to fix this long term.

00:31:40.300 I know, like, on the ground wise, if we don't get that intervention from, you know, President

00:31:45.080 Trump and his cabinet, it's really challenging the law here in California, right?

00:31:49.400 We really, really need people to join the lawsuit so we can actually get it settled.

00:31:54.280 Once you have a court case, you know, Riley, it solves it for a much longer term, right?

00:32:00.500 I mean, the same thing happened with our parental notification.

00:32:03.600 It's all tied into this.

00:32:04.820 It's all about the ideologies, the gender, you know, ideologies that go into what they're 1.00

00:32:08.720 teaching our kids.

00:32:10.180 We had great wins with our lawsuit and Liberty Justice, you know, thankfully supported us

00:32:15.400 because a district couldn't endure those kinds of financial obligations when you go through

00:32:20.920 a lawsuit like that.

00:32:22.200 But what I'm expecting is obviously Trump to be really serious.

00:32:25.880 And that's what I love about him, because when he does get involved, we know that the hammer's

00:32:29.680 coming down, right?

00:32:30.780 So bring it down.

00:32:32.680 Look, Newsom avoided a conversation with him.

00:32:35.120 You're telling me that he couldn't get on the phone for 10 minutes of his day yesterday?

00:32:40.740 No, he is avoiding it on purpose.

00:32:43.840 Look, you, you'll be on vacation.

00:32:46.380 You'll be across the nation.

00:32:47.760 You'll get on a phone call if you know what it means, solving a problem that's hurting other

00:32:51.140 people under your watch, right?

00:32:53.840 And you're telling me this guy can do it.

00:32:55.780 I don't count on Newsom to do anything, but I do count on us people.

00:32:59.100 You said it.

00:33:00.100 God calls us to this.

00:33:01.420 We're not doing this for any other reason than that.

00:33:03.900 No one's gaining anything out of this.

00:33:05.840 You know, at the end of the day, we all have the gifts.

00:33:08.440 Let's just use them and get this, get this fixed.

00:33:10.800 And what I'm expecting is next election cycle, get more people who actually have the care

00:33:17.840 and the heart to support our families here in California.

00:33:20.720 Look, people can talk all they want about California, but California is beautiful.

00:33:24.060 And I would say the majority of people just want common sense, right?

00:33:28.180 As conservative as I may be or somebody else may be in California, we know that that's not

00:33:32.980 the values that most hold, but they do.

00:33:35.720 I'm telling you, I've been across California and I do hear many voices reaching out.

00:33:40.420 They just want common sense and protection for the kids.

00:33:42.940 That's where we have common ground, right?

00:33:44.700 That's where we can really work together and hopefully show them why we do this.

00:33:49.240 And that's obviously through Jesus.

00:33:51.680 That's it.

00:33:52.260 Yeah, this issue really is a unifying one.

00:33:54.980 They make it out to be polarizing or divisive.

00:33:57.320 It's not, it's really not a unifying issue.

00:34:00.540 Last thing for you.

00:34:02.860 I live in Tennessee where we have tons and tons and tons of Californians. 0.91

00:34:08.580 I mean, by the day moving in, driving up our housing market, traffic is crazy now in

00:34:14.340 Nashville, all the things, all that to say as a Californian, why?

00:34:19.240 Why do you stay and fight?

00:34:20.440 Because I put myself in your shoes, truthfully, especially as a mom.

00:34:24.520 And I don't know what I would do, right?

00:34:27.140 Because of course you have the fight in you.

00:34:29.420 I have it in me.

00:34:30.240 Like there is this internal sense to push back when you see injustice.

00:34:35.260 But at the same time, when you have children, it's almost like you have to do what's best

00:34:39.080 for them.

00:34:39.680 So why do you stay and fight?

00:34:43.160 You know, without getting too emotional, I see through my own daughters, through other

00:34:47.780 kids, the hurt that this is causing.

00:34:50.120 I would be a coward to walk away from it and just live an easy life.

00:34:54.500 Like I can give this all up, go back to my fitness business, which was very rewarding

00:34:58.940 getting moms, you know, in shape.

00:35:00.740 But at the same token, I know too much.

00:35:02.980 You cannot know what you know.

00:35:04.580 And you have to do something with it.

00:35:06.600 My husband works for in the industry where we can move to Tennessee tomorrow.

00:35:10.780 We can move to Texas where, you know, where you're saying all Californians are going,

00:35:14.180 which I caution you because if they don't go with values, that's why I'm also fighting

00:35:18.980 the good fight.

00:35:19.660 Because again, when even the parental notification thing happened, even with this, with the girls

00:35:24.620 sports, people around the nation are watching and hoping because California really is the

00:35:29.260 test pilot for a lot of these things that are going on.

00:35:31.520 Right.

00:35:32.400 So when I see kids like that, I didn't have the greatest childhood like many.

00:35:36.780 And I just remember our childhood, if we didn't have adults, you know, that were working with

00:35:42.440 my dad to help provide or give us opportunities, we would have been lost.

00:35:48.180 And we can be those same adults to do that.

00:35:50.720 Right.

00:35:51.020 And my heart hurts when I see parents that don't even, they don't even know what's going

00:35:55.740 on.

00:35:56.780 Again, how would I as an adult walk away from that and just say, you know what?

00:36:00.900 I choose comfort.

00:36:02.700 Me?

00:36:03.280 Nope.

00:36:03.760 I'm not a coward.

00:36:04.640 I want to fight for the families and our kids and make sure that they have an opportunity

00:36:08.400 like many of us have throughout our lives.

00:36:11.660 That's it.

00:36:12.720 And if strong, willing people like you don't, then, oh my gosh, who will?

00:36:17.720 You're running for state superintendent?

00:36:20.000 Yes.

00:36:20.960 Oh my gosh.

00:36:21.660 I know it's crazy.

00:36:22.760 I mean, Riley, this is a seat that they've told us the unions own since 1972, I think,

00:36:29.080 right?

00:36:29.380 Nobody with common sense.

00:36:31.340 California used to be the top in the nation when it came to education.

00:36:34.640 We're talking an average of $119 billion a year, right?

00:36:38.440 That's a business that they are literally pouring money into, including federal funding,

00:36:43.440 to fail our kids, to confuse our children and send them off into a world to hate America.

00:36:48.720 I'm not going to sit here again, just like I did when it came to school board.

00:36:51.960 I find out.

00:36:52.680 I work hard every day.

00:36:53.560 I've never had a day off since getting into this fight many years ago.

00:36:56.680 And I don't complain about it.

00:36:57.760 We know that we need people, you know, alongside us to do these kinds of things.

00:37:02.360 And again, it takes a village, right?

00:37:03.960 When it comes to working together, and it does bring people together, you might have

00:37:08.100 a person in the driver's seat, but you have a lot of people in those passenger seats making

00:37:11.560 sure we get to the destination that we need to, which is common sense.

00:37:15.300 So when, you know, our state superintendent, there's a lot of things that us as parents

00:37:20.700 reached out to, you know, that department and we got down.

00:37:24.000 And just seeing that seat being handed to these monsters, our kids are being handed on a silver

00:37:32.480 platter.

00:37:32.920 I'm like, no, we're going to work hard.

00:37:35.560 We're going to put a mom in that driver's seat. 1.00

00:37:37.000 We're going to turn it around.

00:37:38.040 We're not only going to help California, but we're going to help the nation.

00:37:40.340 Because if we change that seat and we flip more school board seats and we get new legislators

00:37:45.620 in, right, to join, you know, obviously Billicelli has been, you know, promoted in a way from

00:37:52.380 Trump, but like we still have, you know, all the other ones that are doing the great work,

00:37:56.480 but it's a small minority.

00:37:58.060 If we do that, can you imagine?

00:38:01.280 It just gives me so much excitement.

00:38:04.400 Look, I get it.

00:38:05.280 It's crazy, but it's achievable if we all work together.

00:38:08.440 Heck yeah, it is.

00:38:09.220 And it sets the precedent, like you said, for California, I mean, similar in a way to

00:38:15.280 how Texas leads for, I guess, conservative values.

00:38:20.360 That is the way that California leads for the alternative.

00:38:24.620 So if you're able to do this and pull this off and be this incredible warrior and leader

00:38:31.460 in a position that is really so desperate for such, it sets the precedent for other states,

00:38:36.480 states like Maine, Massachusetts, Oregon, Washington, the list goes on.

00:38:40.540 So we will be watching, we will be following, we will be amplifying, supporting you in every

00:38:45.240 single way that we can.

00:38:46.700 And I believe that's what Californians, as you said, even those who maybe didn't vote for

00:38:52.320 Trump, I believe that's what Californians, that's what they need.

00:38:56.300 That's what they want.

00:38:57.320 So very grateful for you that you took time out of your vacation.

00:39:01.200 As you said, you're in Hawaii right now.

00:39:02.960 So incredible that you would be willing to do this and to share your heart for the issue

00:39:08.200 and all of the cultural chaos that is plaguing the city of California and really the rest

00:39:13.140 of the nation.

00:39:13.840 So very, very grateful for you.

00:39:15.880 Of course, no, I'm grateful for you.

00:39:17.660 Thanks for giving our girls a voice. 0.87

00:39:20.480 I just, you're a blessing, Riley.

00:39:23.340 I know you hear that, but truly from the bottom of my heart, we pray for your protection.

00:39:27.600 We pray for your continuous courage.

00:39:29.660 And just thank you for pouring back into those girls because they can relate to you.

00:39:33.540 And as a mother, you know, like, again, we're linking arms and I'm so grateful that we have,

00:39:38.160 you know, you to be able to refer these girls to because you've lived their experience.

00:39:43.380 And I think it's encouraging for them to hear that, you know, somebody's there, they're there

00:39:47.960 with them and we're fighting the good fight and just give them that encouragement not to

00:39:51.320 ever, ever give up on this.

00:39:52.800 And hopefully, prayfully, these girls will grow up and they'll be part of solving this for 0.91

00:39:58.140 continuously, right?

00:39:59.140 We don't ever want to turn our backs on this ever again.

00:40:02.240 Thank you guys for tuning into the Gains for Girls podcast.

00:40:05.060 I am awaiting, desperately awaiting to know what comes of this encounter, this interaction

00:40:11.040 between, which is inevitable, by the way, between President Trump and Gavin Newsom.

00:40:15.920 What we are seeing from President Trump in terms of his willingness, his ability to push

00:40:21.840 back when it comes to the rights of women and girls to privacy, to safety, to equal opportunity,

00:40:28.160 that is what the people, the American people voted for overwhelmingly on November 5th.

00:40:33.420 So it is nice to see accountability is back in the White House.

00:40:37.740 I am desperately waiting to see what happens there.

00:40:41.480 Thanks for tuning in.

00:40:42.560 Again, check us out at youtube.com slash Outkick.

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Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - May 30, 2025

Sonja Shaw's Fight for Fairness

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