Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - UPenn's Apology Is Not Enough

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00:01:17.640 Hello, everybody.

00:01:25.440 Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast.

00:01:28.260 I have been waiting to talk about the news

00:01:30.560 that we are going to talk about today.

00:01:32.920 I posted some about it on social media,

00:01:35.000 but it was a really, really big deal

00:01:37.520 and foundational to this fight

00:01:39.880 that I personally have been fighting the past three years,

00:01:42.860 some much longer than me.

00:01:44.140 The guest that we have today has been right there alongside me

00:01:48.140 from the very, very beginning.

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00:03:20.620 We're talking about the news today

00:03:22.880 that came out as University of Pennsylvania.

00:03:26.620 Again, this has been one of the worst actors,

00:03:29.880 the ones that have allowed for Will Thomas,

00:03:33.080 Leah Thomas,

00:03:33.640 his participation on the women's team,

00:03:36.200 ultimately sparking this cultural revolution.

00:03:40.400 Maybe we should thank University of Pennsylvania.

00:03:42.120 I don't know for how they have lit a fire

00:03:44.900 underneath myself and, again, so many others.

00:03:48.680 But we're talking to Marshy Smith.

00:03:50.160 She's been on the show before.

00:03:51.220 She is a national champion

00:03:53.040 in the women's 200-yard backstroke in 2005.

00:03:57.380 So she's, of course, been very established

00:03:59.280 in her own athletic career.

00:04:00.820 Got involved in this fight after seeing the injustice

00:04:03.540 of what University of Pennsylvania,

00:04:05.560 the NCAA, the Ivy League,

00:04:08.240 other institutions allowed for.

00:04:10.700 Co-founded an organization called ICONS,

00:04:13.560 which stands for

00:04:14.420 International Council on Women's Sports.

00:04:18.600 They have been fantastic.

00:04:21.080 I think the most

00:04:21.980 really pivotal thing that they've been able to do

00:04:26.120 is put these lawsuits forward,

00:04:28.560 whether that's in terms of funding,

00:04:30.740 whether that's in terms of structure,

00:04:32.620 whatever it is.

00:04:33.960 One of the big ones that they have put forward

00:04:36.020 over the past year,

00:04:37.300 actually a little over a year at this point,

00:04:38.880 we filed back in March,

00:04:40.100 is the Gaines versus NCAA lawsuit.

00:04:44.800 Super fun, by the way,

00:04:46.280 to sue someone with such deep pockets.

00:04:49.380 But nonetheless,

00:04:50.240 I imagine we will be victorious

00:04:51.640 in this endeavor.

00:04:52.920 It's myself and 19 other plaintiffs,

00:04:57.660 19 other women,

00:04:58.700 female athletes who have been impacted

00:05:00.420 at the hands of the NCAA,

00:05:02.740 their discriminatory,

00:05:03.780 regressive, harmful policies.

00:05:06.180 So pushing forward there.

00:05:07.800 So keep watching to hear about the UPenn news,

00:05:10.600 our reaction to it,

00:05:11.640 to hear about how this news affects

00:05:13.560 the Gaines versus NCAA lawsuit.

00:05:16.500 Recent SCOTUS announcement,

00:05:18.560 they will be hearing a Title IX case,

00:05:20.100 and how you, as an everyday American,

00:05:23.180 maybe you're a mom,

00:05:24.060 maybe you're a dad,

00:05:25.160 maybe you're a female athlete yourself

00:05:26.560 watching this,

00:05:27.420 how you can get involved in this fight.

00:05:29.780 Check it out here,

00:05:30.720 this interview with Marshy Smith.

00:05:32.940 Well, Marshy,

00:05:33.860 thank you for joining

00:05:34.660 the Gaines for Girls podcast.

00:05:37.180 It is great to see you again.

00:05:38.980 I saw you not long ago

00:05:40.320 at the White House

00:05:41.100 surrounding all of this UPenn news

00:05:43.120 that we're going to get into.

00:05:44.200 But before we do that,

00:05:45.800 do you mind just telling us,

00:05:47.220 number one,

00:05:47.480 a little bit about yourself,

00:05:48.460 telling us about ICONS,

00:05:50.960 what it stands for,

00:05:52.020 and what you guys do?

00:05:54.400 Absolutely.

00:05:55.060 Thank you so much for having me again.

00:05:58.780 Yes, my name is Marshy Smith.

00:06:00.880 I am the co-founder

00:06:02.540 of the Independent Council on Women's Sports.

00:06:06.340 We are a network of female athletes,

00:06:11.140 their families, coaches, and supporters.

00:06:14.100 We have tens of thousands of members,

00:06:18.240 such as yourself,

00:06:19.540 who are passionate about protecting women's sports.

00:06:24.000 We advocate in a lot of different ways,

00:06:27.280 including media, social media,

00:06:30.660 but probably most profoundly

00:06:33.360 as legal advocates

00:06:36.040 defending female athletes

00:06:38.360 who want to fight back in court,

00:06:40.780 just like yourself

00:06:42.540 in the Gaines versus NCAA case.

00:06:45.060 We have three lawsuits pending right now

00:06:48.900 where our legal counsel

00:06:50.200 are representing

00:06:52.280 almost two dozen

00:06:54.640 or over two dozen female athletes

00:06:56.660 in collegiate sports

00:06:58.620 against organizations

00:07:00.300 that have discriminated against them,

00:07:03.000 like the NCAA.

00:07:03.840 Well, you left out the part

00:07:07.760 where I said to explain yourself

00:07:09.360 a little bit about you personally,

00:07:11.500 which is very humble

00:07:12.520 and it speaks a lot about you,

00:07:14.000 but you yourself

00:07:14.860 are a national champion swimmer

00:07:17.260 from the University of Arizona.

00:07:18.740 So all that you've been able

00:07:19.760 to accomplish in your sport

00:07:21.040 and certainly beyond

00:07:22.220 working with the other co-founder

00:07:23.940 of Icons, Kim Jones,

00:07:25.180 who's also been on this show before,

00:07:27.300 you guys are just a force

00:07:29.000 to be reckoned with.

00:07:30.300 I have learned so much

00:07:31.800 from both of you

00:07:32.980 in terms of messaging,

00:07:34.660 how to talk about these issues,

00:07:35.980 how to communicate effectively.

00:07:38.940 So just incredibly

00:07:40.260 and eternally grateful

00:07:41.680 for both of you

00:07:43.140 and what you've been able to do,

00:07:44.360 especially on the legal front,

00:07:46.580 which leads me to, of course,

00:07:48.200 as I mentioned,

00:07:49.040 I saw you just a few weeks ago

00:07:51.220 at the White House

00:07:52.060 surrounding this news

00:07:53.800 that we had come out

00:07:54.640 of the Department of Education

00:07:55.700 about the University of Pennsylvania.

00:07:58.620 They were willing to sign

00:07:59.740 this resolution agreement.

00:08:01.860 Can you talk about

00:08:03.160 what this is,

00:08:04.080 what they agreed to,

00:08:05.360 and what this means

00:08:06.240 for women

00:08:07.280 and for the future

00:08:07.960 of women's sports?

00:08:10.580 First of all,

00:08:11.800 I was talking to Kim

00:08:14.400 and some of our

00:08:15.140 female athlete advocates

00:08:18.060 recently about the experience

00:08:20.460 and the general feeling

00:08:22.940 of being there

00:08:23.960 at the White House

00:08:24.800 with you

00:08:25.300 and so many of our friends

00:08:26.680 who we have forged relationships

00:08:28.920 over the last several years,

00:08:31.840 unfortunately,

00:08:32.660 under bad circumstances.

00:08:34.720 You know,

00:08:34.960 typically when we're

00:08:35.820 getting together,

00:08:36.860 we're protesting something

00:08:39.020 or demanding something.

00:08:41.720 And I felt like,

00:08:42.900 finally,

00:08:43.340 this is the first event

00:08:45.360 where we could go

00:08:46.960 and really celebrate

00:08:48.800 some good news.

00:08:51.700 So that was incredible

00:08:55.000 to be invited

00:08:55.820 to the White House

00:08:56.580 to be a part of that.

00:08:58.380 Secretary McMahon,

00:08:59.760 the Department of Education

00:09:00.980 have been just laser focused

00:09:03.420 on doing everything they can

00:09:05.940 really in a short amount of time

00:09:08.180 to keep women's sports female.

00:09:11.120 I have my short shirt on here.

00:09:13.600 And they're doing an incredible job.

00:09:16.480 And their announcement that day

00:09:19.420 was surrounding

00:09:20.300 the University of Pennsylvania.

00:09:23.380 Having brought them to the table,

00:09:26.640 I think in part

00:09:28.960 due to a couple different reasons,

00:09:31.400 it was not out of the goodness

00:09:33.400 of University of Pennsylvania's heart.

00:09:36.520 Of course,

00:09:37.620 they are the school

00:09:40.440 that had Leah Thomas compete

00:09:42.760 on their women's swim team

00:09:44.640 a few years ago.

00:09:46.480 won an NCAA women's title.

00:09:49.620 You were there.

00:09:51.260 Tied you in the 200 freestyle.

00:09:54.560 Really have been

00:09:56.140 a stick in the mud

00:09:57.600 in terms of taking

00:09:58.920 any sort of accountability

00:10:00.660 or doing anything

00:10:03.820 to suggest that their university

00:10:05.900 would protect women

00:10:06.980 moving forward.

00:10:08.420 And so recently,

00:10:10.800 we have helped

00:10:12.940 three Penn swimmers

00:10:14.980 sue the university,

00:10:17.380 Ivy League,

00:10:18.120 and NCAA

00:10:19.220 to try and hold them accountable

00:10:22.240 for what they've done.

00:10:23.760 And the Department of Education

00:10:25.240 took it 10 steps further

00:10:27.720 and launched an investigation

00:10:30.640 against the school

00:10:32.200 as well as,

00:10:34.080 you know,

00:10:35.320 in finding that they did violate

00:10:37.360 Title IX at the time

00:10:39.120 and continue to do so,

00:10:40.700 held their feet to the fire

00:10:42.840 with $175 million

00:10:45.940 in federal funding

00:10:47.560 and said,

00:10:49.060 you know,

00:10:49.480 you need to rectify

00:10:51.220 some of the harms

00:10:53.320 that have been done

00:10:54.960 and

00:10:55.680 really uphold the rights

00:10:59.140 of your female athletes

00:11:00.440 at your school.

00:11:01.340 And so part of this resolution

00:11:03.820 is

00:11:04.700 giving back

00:11:06.520 the records

00:11:07.200 on the University

00:11:08.600 of Pennsylvania books,

00:11:10.280 not beyond the school,

00:11:12.420 but just their own

00:11:13.560 record books,

00:11:15.180 erasing Leah Thomas'

00:11:17.280 name from the women's side,

00:11:19.300 as well as promising

00:11:20.520 to

00:11:21.200 not have men

00:11:23.200 participate on teams

00:11:24.780 moving forward

00:11:25.780 and issue

00:11:27.020 apologies

00:11:27.720 to

00:11:28.460 all the female

00:11:29.720 athletes

00:11:30.440 affected.

00:11:32.280 I don't,

00:11:33.280 I know that they've

00:11:34.080 sent letters

00:11:34.740 to the

00:11:35.960 swimmers

00:11:36.820 on their own team.

00:11:38.280 I don't know

00:11:38.680 if you've received

00:11:39.540 the letter,

00:11:40.140 we haven't talked

00:11:40.740 about this,

00:11:41.560 or any of the

00:11:42.560 opponents of Penn

00:11:44.140 during that season.

00:11:45.560 Sounds like

00:11:46.300 they haven't received

00:11:47.580 any apology,

00:11:50.120 but,

00:11:50.820 you know,

00:11:51.300 when,

00:11:51.620 when actually

00:11:52.800 reading line

00:11:53.640 for line

00:11:54.240 what they said,

00:11:55.500 it was disappointing.

00:11:57.480 It wasn't a true

00:11:59.200 apology

00:12:00.480 to the swimmers

00:12:01.640 at all

00:12:02.540 to the standards

00:12:03.360 that they

00:12:04.020 deserve,

00:12:05.420 which is

00:12:06.300 one of the reasons

00:12:07.160 why

00:12:07.640 we are,

00:12:08.760 you know,

00:12:09.760 proceeding

00:12:10.280 with this lawsuit

00:12:11.880 that

00:12:12.380 actually

00:12:13.300 three Penn

00:12:15.120 swimmers

00:12:15.620 are going to be

00:12:17.340 at their first hearing

00:12:18.660 in Boston,

00:12:19.620 Massachusetts

00:12:20.240 against the

00:12:21.580 university

00:12:22.060 in just one week

00:12:23.220 on the 21st.

00:12:25.560 Fantastic.

00:12:27.040 So,

00:12:27.300 it continues,

00:12:28.520 the fight continues,

00:12:30.360 but the Department

00:12:31.520 of Education

00:12:32.240 has done

00:12:33.160 really a wonderful job,

00:12:35.140 and it was a day

00:12:35.920 of celebration

00:12:36.640 for sure

00:12:37.220 at the White House.

00:12:38.540 Yeah,

00:12:39.140 it's important

00:12:39.580 you mention,

00:12:40.500 like you said,

00:12:41.260 like the Trump

00:12:42.220 administration

00:12:42.640 has only been

00:12:43.740 in full effect

00:12:44.620 for what,

00:12:45.180 I mean,

00:12:45.480 six months now.

00:12:47.680 The wins

00:12:48.500 that we have seen,

00:12:49.400 especially on the

00:12:50.160 cultural front lines,

00:12:51.600 they've been

00:12:52.700 pretty monumental

00:12:53.520 in just a short

00:12:55.240 amount of time,

00:12:56.200 and I think

00:12:56.700 especially

00:12:57.100 any time

00:12:57.780 you're dealing

00:12:58.220 with the legalities

00:12:59.360 of things,

00:13:00.440 what I have learned

00:13:01.420 certainly from

00:13:02.060 the Gaines

00:13:02.460 versus NCAA

00:13:03.140 lawsuit,

00:13:03.940 it's a long

00:13:04.740 drawn-out process,

00:13:05.820 so fantastic

00:13:06.820 first steps,

00:13:08.280 but I mean,

00:13:08.740 is this really

00:13:09.760 adequate?

00:13:10.720 Is an apology,

00:13:12.480 is that enough

00:13:13.220 to right the wrongs

00:13:14.540 of the university?

00:13:15.520 And again,

00:13:16.260 this is,

00:13:16.860 what I want people

00:13:17.700 to realize is

00:13:18.620 this is one

00:13:19.720 of the biggest

00:13:20.420 perpetrators

00:13:21.200 in the abuse,

00:13:23.200 in the mistreatment,

00:13:24.340 in the emotional

00:13:25.280 blackmail of women.

00:13:27.040 They've come to the table,

00:13:28.420 as we've discussed,

00:13:29.820 they've issued

00:13:30.500 this half-hearted apology

00:13:32.160 on their record board.

00:13:33.820 They've already

00:13:34.360 removed his names.

00:13:35.180 I think he's still

00:13:35.820 a part of the relays,

00:13:36.820 which I would be

00:13:37.340 interested to see

00:13:38.300 how they're going

00:13:39.400 to treat that.

00:13:40.080 I think they've left

00:13:40.900 those relay records

00:13:41.800 still up there,

00:13:42.940 but on all the PDF documents

00:13:45.320 and online,

00:13:46.540 they still have

00:13:47.180 the asterisk

00:13:47.820 at the bottom saying,

00:13:49.200 you know,

00:13:49.420 worth noting

00:13:50.000 that Leah Thomas

00:13:51.000 competed in the 2021-2022

00:13:53.260 school year

00:13:54.520 and previously

00:13:55.300 held the records

00:13:56.180 in this,

00:13:56.680 this,

00:13:56.900 and this.

00:13:57.300 So,

00:13:58.100 is what the University

00:13:59.180 of Pennsylvania,

00:14:00.600 is what they've done

00:14:01.460 truly enough

00:14:02.260 to right their wrongs?

00:14:05.160 Unequivocally,

00:14:05.840 no.

00:14:06.740 I think it's easy

00:14:08.360 and what the NCAA

00:14:09.660 and these universities

00:14:11.400 want to do

00:14:12.520 is to say,

00:14:14.340 okay,

00:14:14.600 we've done

00:14:15.060 the absolute

00:14:15.660 bare minimum

00:14:16.340 of what you've

00:14:17.160 asked of us

00:14:17.940 and so you can

00:14:19.840 forget everything

00:14:20.740 that's been done

00:14:21.720 in the past.

00:14:22.680 I mean,

00:14:23.260 this is something

00:14:24.220 your experience

00:14:26.260 at one meet

00:14:27.720 has changed

00:14:29.100 the trajectory

00:14:29.820 of your entire life.

00:14:32.480 There are so many women

00:14:34.520 who have been

00:14:35.940 voiceless

00:14:36.540 across collegiate sports

00:14:38.700 that have been

00:14:40.440 suffering

00:14:40.960 and continue

00:14:41.800 to suffer

00:14:42.660 over what has

00:14:44.420 been done

00:14:45.940 to them

00:14:46.880 with a green light

00:14:49.780 from the NCAA

00:14:50.960 and their schools.

00:14:52.900 And so,

00:14:53.400 for Penn

00:14:53.940 to think

00:14:54.620 that,

00:14:55.440 oh,

00:14:56.040 we can just

00:14:56.560 sweep this

00:14:57.280 under the carpet

00:14:58.120 now,

00:14:58.960 we've erased

00:14:59.840 a few places

00:15:00.920 on the record board

00:15:01.960 where his name

00:15:02.700 was listed,

00:15:04.400 no harm,

00:15:05.080 no foul.

00:15:06.360 Absolutely not.

00:15:08.960 Women's rights

00:15:10.180 were denied.

00:15:12.060 Your right

00:15:12.720 to privacy

00:15:13.640 in the locker rooms,

00:15:15.260 fair competition,

00:15:16.620 an equal opportunity

00:15:17.680 to perform,

00:15:19.440 all of these things

00:15:21.260 were done

00:15:22.640 and accountability

00:15:25.320 needs to be

00:15:27.140 had

00:15:28.180 by not just

00:15:29.160 yourself,

00:15:29.840 but so many women

00:15:31.120 across the country

00:15:32.060 and so

00:15:33.200 they absolutely

00:15:34.180 need to do more.

00:15:36.000 Ivy League records

00:15:36.880 still exist

00:15:37.620 on the boards,

00:15:38.560 Harvard records,

00:15:40.340 Akron University

00:15:41.320 still has his name

00:15:42.520 on the record boards

00:15:43.520 and there are

00:15:44.720 many other sports

00:15:45.840 affected

00:15:46.340 and many other

00:15:47.360 schools

00:15:48.060 aside from

00:15:49.260 just Leah Thomas

00:15:50.520 over the past

00:15:52.180 few years

00:15:52.760 that need to

00:15:53.380 be rectified

00:15:54.060 as well.

00:15:55.580 So to be

00:15:55.940 very,

00:15:56.440 very clear,

00:15:57.360 the NCAA

00:15:57.940 still recognizes

00:15:59.460 Leah Thomas

00:16:00.780 as the national

00:16:02.300 champion

00:16:02.800 in the women's

00:16:03.820 500 freestyle.

00:16:05.980 Correct.

00:16:06.980 I have seen

00:16:07.720 headlines since

00:16:08.660 the Penn announcement

00:16:09.560 that his titles

00:16:10.800 and records

00:16:11.660 have been wiped.

00:16:13.300 That is not true.

00:16:15.380 The university's

00:16:17.100 record board

00:16:18.120 has been

00:16:19.260 rectified,

00:16:20.000 it looks like,

00:16:20.540 in individual

00:16:21.320 events,

00:16:23.200 but records

00:16:24.860 across the country

00:16:25.760 still stand

00:16:26.740 and his

00:16:29.340 titles

00:16:29.820 need to be

00:16:31.460 pulled back

00:16:32.300 and really

00:16:32.860 the only person,

00:16:33.920 the only org

00:16:34.580 that can do that

00:16:35.420 is the NCAA

00:16:36.320 itself

00:16:36.980 and that's

00:16:38.020 why you

00:16:38.960 and the many

00:16:40.420 female athletes

00:16:41.440 suing the NCAA

00:16:42.580 are trying

00:16:44.280 to get that

00:16:45.980 to happen

00:16:46.620 in court.

00:16:47.400 got it.

00:16:49.540 One of the

00:16:50.140 biggest pieces

00:16:50.760 of pushback

00:16:52.080 that I get

00:16:53.200 and certainly

00:16:53.820 that I have

00:16:54.440 received over

00:16:55.120 the past few

00:16:55.700 weeks following

00:16:56.760 this announcement

00:16:57.500 is people

00:16:58.760 from the other

00:16:59.800 side who agree

00:17:00.820 with the fact

00:17:01.540 or the assertion

00:17:02.540 that men should

00:17:03.100 be able to

00:17:03.640 compete in

00:17:04.060 women's sports.

00:17:04.940 They'll come to

00:17:05.660 my page and

00:17:06.260 they'll comment

00:17:06.740 something to the

00:17:07.780 effect of

00:17:08.320 congratulations,

00:17:09.680 you went from

00:17:10.160 fifth place to

00:17:10.900 fifth place.

00:17:12.060 Obviously,

00:17:12.820 Thomas and I,

00:17:13.420 when we competed

00:17:14.060 at that

00:17:14.820 national

00:17:15.140 championship

00:17:15.660 we tied

00:17:16.180 for fifth.

00:17:17.840 Granted,

00:17:18.360 what I think

00:17:18.880 a lot of

00:17:19.180 these people

00:17:19.480 don't realize

00:17:20.100 is number

00:17:20.500 one,

00:17:20.740 this is

00:17:20.980 fifth in

00:17:21.460 the country.

00:17:22.660 Number two,

00:17:23.380 I didn't go

00:17:23.840 my best time.

00:17:24.540 This wasn't

00:17:24.880 my best

00:17:25.220 performance.

00:17:25.800 I wasn't

00:17:26.100 on my A game.

00:17:26.940 Truthfully,

00:17:27.300 I think a lot

00:17:27.780 of that,

00:17:28.640 of course,

00:17:29.200 I mean,

00:17:29.480 swimming,

00:17:30.040 any sport,

00:17:30.580 there's a

00:17:30.820 huge physical

00:17:31.560 component to it,

00:17:32.460 but there's a

00:17:32.800 big mental

00:17:33.220 component to it

00:17:34.080 too.

00:17:35.040 I mean,

00:17:35.420 I think we

00:17:35.800 were kind of

00:17:36.180 just all over

00:17:36.660 the place.

00:17:37.100 Regardless,

00:17:38.060 we tied

00:17:38.400 for fifth.

00:17:39.120 So I'll have

00:17:39.740 people coming

00:17:40.200 to my page

00:17:40.960 saying,

00:17:41.340 you know,

00:17:41.840 you got

00:17:42.200 fifth place.

00:17:43.420 Can you

00:17:43.700 help me

00:17:44.180 eloquently

00:17:44.920 say that

00:17:46.920 this does

00:17:47.640 not matter?

00:17:48.740 Like,

00:17:48.940 they're kind

00:17:49.200 of proving

00:17:49.600 my point.

00:17:50.500 The point

00:17:51.000 we've all

00:17:51.380 been trying

00:17:51.700 to make,

00:17:52.020 it doesn't

00:17:52.380 matter what

00:17:52.880 place you

00:17:53.400 get.

00:17:54.580 The argument

00:17:55.440 here is,

00:17:56.140 do women

00:17:56.480 deserve equal

00:17:57.140 opportunity or

00:17:57.880 do they not?

00:17:58.900 So it sounds

00:17:59.460 like when you

00:17:59.920 have people

00:18:00.340 like Keith

00:18:00.780 Olbermann who

00:18:01.700 come to my

00:18:02.240 page to say

00:18:02.820 this,

00:18:03.100 it's like,

00:18:03.800 okay,

00:18:04.000 do you only

00:18:04.540 believe the

00:18:05.160 best women

00:18:05.960 deserve fair

00:18:07.140 competition or

00:18:08.440 do they not

00:18:09.120 too?

00:18:09.360 Like,

00:18:09.660 what is the

00:18:10.080 argument that

00:18:10.660 you're trying

00:18:11.000 to make

00:18:11.360 here?

00:18:11.700 Can you

00:18:11.960 help me

00:18:12.560 eloquently

00:18:13.020 put into

00:18:14.200 words that

00:18:14.880 it doesn't

00:18:15.460 matter what

00:18:16.160 place women

00:18:17.360 get,

00:18:17.880 they shouldn't

00:18:18.360 have to

00:18:18.660 compete against

00:18:19.180 men at

00:18:19.720 all?

00:18:21.980 I cannot

00:18:23.580 say anything

00:18:24.440 more eloquently

00:18:25.240 than you,

00:18:26.580 Riley,

00:18:27.040 but that

00:18:28.560 really just

00:18:29.680 absolutely

00:18:30.600 infuriates

00:18:32.440 me because

00:18:34.260 even the

00:18:37.160 least

00:18:38.900 talented,

00:18:39.560 least skilled

00:18:41.000 girl or

00:18:42.740 woman on

00:18:43.840 their women's

00:18:44.720 team deserves

00:18:46.200 that chance

00:18:48.000 to play.

00:18:49.880 So whether

00:18:51.240 or not a

00:18:52.180 male athlete

00:18:52.840 wins first

00:18:54.240 place or

00:18:55.440 just kicks

00:18:56.560 the very last

00:18:57.580 qualifier out

00:18:58.840 of the

00:18:59.140 competition,

00:18:59.760 it does not

00:19:01.400 matter.

00:19:02.500 Her spot

00:19:03.760 matters.

00:19:05.900 So when

00:19:06.740 I see,

00:19:07.740 you know,

00:19:08.780 champion

00:19:09.280 athletes like

00:19:11.180 Simone Biles

00:19:12.120 or Megan

00:19:13.660 Rapinoe

00:19:14.960 talk about,

00:19:15.920 well, I

00:19:16.220 wouldn't care

00:19:16.920 if a male

00:19:17.940 athlete was

00:19:18.860 competing with

00:19:19.720 me or it's

00:19:20.680 totally fine

00:19:21.440 with me.

00:19:22.640 You know,

00:19:23.500 these are some

00:19:24.520 of the highest,

00:19:25.720 most decorated

00:19:26.460 athletes in

00:19:27.240 their sport.

00:19:28.400 And so what I

00:19:29.080 want to ask

00:19:29.860 them is who

00:19:31.360 on your team,

00:19:32.440 who was the

00:19:33.580 least talented

00:19:34.540 player on

00:19:35.340 your team?

00:19:36.680 Would you

00:19:37.140 give up her

00:19:38.000 spot?

00:19:39.140 Can you

00:19:39.660 hand over

00:19:40.540 her position

00:19:41.820 and her

00:19:42.660 opportunity to

00:19:44.180 play?

00:19:44.720 Are you

00:19:45.080 willing to

00:19:45.600 do that?

00:19:46.220 Because that's

00:19:46.880 what we're

00:19:47.260 really asking.

00:19:49.140 And so

00:19:49.840 regardless of

00:19:51.080 a champion

00:19:51.940 in the 500

00:19:52.820 free, or I

00:19:53.900 think he got

00:19:54.440 eighth place

00:19:55.240 in the 100

00:19:56.400 free at the

00:19:57.180 NCAA, top

00:19:58.820 eight in

00:19:59.540 swimming at

00:20:00.580 the NCAA

00:20:01.860 championship

00:20:02.800 level is an

00:20:03.760 all-American

00:20:04.700 swimmer, top

00:20:06.360 eight swimmer

00:20:07.240 in the country

00:20:08.160 at the

00:20:08.740 fastest short

00:20:10.920 course swim

00:20:12.460 meet in the

00:20:13.320 world.

00:20:14.300 That is a

00:20:15.500 huge accomplishment.

00:20:17.280 To even be

00:20:18.360 there is amazing.

00:20:19.860 And Leah

00:20:20.340 Thomas denied

00:20:21.360 several women

00:20:22.420 that opportunity

00:20:23.240 in three events.

00:20:24.420 And that just

00:20:25.440 absolutely cannot

00:20:26.300 happen again.

00:20:26.980 Thank you.

00:20:30.580 It's such a

00:20:31.320 good point you

00:20:31.840 make in hearing

00:20:32.400 it kind of

00:20:32.840 framed like

00:20:33.440 that.

00:20:34.040 People like

00:20:35.000 Simone Biles

00:20:36.320 or Megan Rapinoe,

00:20:37.540 they don't get

00:20:37.920 to consent on

00:20:39.020 behalf of all

00:20:39.940 women, whether

00:20:41.140 that is on the

00:20:42.520 athletic field, any

00:20:43.820 athletic setting, or

00:20:44.700 whether that's in

00:20:45.200 the locker room.

00:20:45.780 I hear a lot of

00:20:46.320 women who say,

00:20:47.260 well, I don't

00:20:47.700 care if a man is

00:20:49.300 using my

00:20:49.760 restroom.

00:20:50.300 Well, guess

00:20:50.580 what?

00:20:51.220 You don't get

00:20:51.740 to consent on

00:20:52.880 behalf of all

00:20:53.940 women.

00:20:54.460 What a crazy,

00:20:55.860 narcissistic,

00:20:57.000 selfish thing to

00:20:57.840 think is that you

00:20:58.960 believe you get

00:21:00.120 to.

00:21:01.120 Absolutely not.

00:21:02.820 How do the

00:21:03.660 recent decisions

00:21:04.520 from the

00:21:05.680 University of

00:21:06.180 Pennsylvania,

00:21:07.160 again, this

00:21:07.600 resolution agreement

00:21:08.360 that was signed,

00:21:09.460 does that have

00:21:10.060 any effect on

00:21:11.100 the Gaines

00:21:11.540 versus NCAA

00:21:12.320 lawsuit?

00:21:13.080 Like, is any

00:21:13.960 precedent being

00:21:14.720 set for other

00:21:15.640 institutions,

00:21:16.740 whether it be

00:21:17.200 the NCAA,

00:21:18.460 whether it be

00:21:18.900 the IOC,

00:21:19.740 whether it be,

00:21:20.760 of course,

00:21:21.760 these your

00:21:22.620 usual bad

00:21:23.340 actors, people

00:21:24.060 like Gavin

00:21:24.620 Newsom, Governor

00:21:25.260 Mills in Maine,

00:21:26.460 does that set

00:21:27.000 any sort of

00:21:27.720 precedent in

00:21:28.580 terms of,

00:21:29.320 I guess,

00:21:30.740 the legal

00:21:31.380 world here?

00:21:33.700 I think it

00:21:34.860 signals to

00:21:35.700 other schools,

00:21:36.940 we better not

00:21:37.840 try this.

00:21:39.200 Definitely.

00:21:39.980 I think it's

00:21:41.380 generally good

00:21:43.300 because, again,

00:21:45.420 the most prolific

00:21:46.320 offender of

00:21:47.160 Title IX in

00:21:48.660 collegiate sports

00:21:49.560 has bent the

00:21:50.980 knee to some

00:21:51.820 respect.

00:21:52.980 But like we

00:21:53.900 talked about,

00:21:54.880 it's definitely

00:21:55.700 not enough.

00:21:56.740 And one of

00:21:57.920 the reasons

00:21:58.380 why, you

00:21:59.740 know, you're

00:22:00.300 fighting in

00:22:00.940 court,

00:22:02.080 Brooks Lusser

00:22:03.460 and female

00:22:04.400 athletes in

00:22:05.180 the West

00:22:05.560 Coast and

00:22:06.200 volleyball are

00:22:07.120 fighting in

00:22:07.820 court against

00:22:08.540 the Mountain

00:22:08.920 West Conference.

00:22:10.720 Penn girls are

00:22:11.520 fighting their

00:22:12.740 university in

00:22:13.520 the Ivy League

00:22:14.300 on the East

00:22:14.960 Coast.

00:22:15.380 the reason

00:22:16.620 these cases

00:22:17.860 must proceed

00:22:19.300 is because we

00:22:20.940 really need

00:22:21.520 long-standing

00:22:22.440 legal precedents

00:22:24.360 set to tell

00:22:26.380 every university

00:22:27.480 across the

00:22:28.120 country, you

00:22:29.100 absolutely cannot

00:22:30.200 violate Title IX

00:22:31.420 and discriminate

00:22:32.120 against women

00:22:33.040 regardless of

00:22:34.640 who's in the

00:22:35.440 Oval Office.

00:22:36.080 I feel really

00:22:38.760 secure for the

00:22:40.640 next three

00:22:41.800 years or so,

00:22:42.840 but we don't

00:22:43.440 know who's

00:22:44.020 coming next.

00:22:45.660 And for the

00:22:46.320 NCAA to,

00:22:48.060 you know,

00:22:48.560 say we're

00:22:49.320 going to

00:22:49.780 comply with

00:22:50.860 this executive

00:22:51.880 order, for

00:22:53.180 Penn to say

00:22:54.020 we're going to

00:22:54.740 bend the knee

00:22:55.320 because of

00:22:56.040 this administration,

00:22:58.300 that's good

00:22:59.580 for the short

00:23:00.320 term, but we

00:23:01.960 need legal

00:23:02.820 wins to

00:23:04.080 hold these

00:23:04.900 universities

00:23:05.560 to the

00:23:06.360 fire to

00:23:07.080 account moving

00:23:08.520 forward, red

00:23:10.000 states, blue

00:23:10.960 states, regardless

00:23:12.460 for the future

00:23:13.300 because you're

00:23:14.440 going to have a

00:23:14.960 daughter soon who

00:23:16.060 I anticipate will

00:23:17.820 be an incredible

00:23:18.580 athlete.

00:23:19.880 I have a

00:23:20.800 daughter who's

00:23:21.560 just starting

00:23:22.420 sports right

00:23:23.180 now, and so

00:23:24.500 that's really who

00:23:25.380 we fight for.

00:23:26.580 You know, our

00:23:27.080 careers are over,

00:23:28.400 but the reason

00:23:29.860 we spend every

00:23:30.920 day talking

00:23:31.720 about this and

00:23:32.520 fighting for this

00:23:33.380 is for the next

00:23:34.660 generation of

00:23:35.560 girls.

00:23:37.740 Where do

00:23:38.420 things stand

00:23:39.040 right now with

00:23:39.560 the Gaines

00:23:39.920 versus NCAA

00:23:41.260 lawsuit?

00:23:42.460 And can you

00:23:42.860 explain, you

00:23:43.600 already have a

00:23:44.300 little bit, but

00:23:44.860 just how

00:23:46.980 crucial this

00:23:48.060 step is in

00:23:49.220 the fight to

00:23:49.660 protect women

00:23:50.220 and girls, in

00:23:51.340 sports and

00:23:51.840 beyond for that

00:23:52.500 matter?

00:23:54.140 Sure.

00:23:55.060 So the

00:23:56.960 Gaines versus

00:23:57.600 NCAA case was

00:23:58.920 filed last

00:24:00.240 March, so it's

00:24:01.500 already been over

00:24:02.380 a year, and

00:24:03.980 the legal

00:24:06.440 counsel and

00:24:07.160 the NCAA have

00:24:08.240 been going

00:24:09.360 back and

00:24:10.120 forth on

00:24:10.900 different

00:24:12.000 briefs and

00:24:13.340 things because

00:24:14.780 the NCAA is

00:24:16.760 still trying to

00:24:18.480 dismiss the

00:24:19.180 case.

00:24:20.180 So that's the

00:24:21.000 point where

00:24:21.760 we're approaching

00:24:23.460 the point where

00:24:24.780 the judge can

00:24:26.300 say, in all

00:24:27.100 three of these

00:24:27.680 cases, actually,

00:24:28.600 we're going to

00:24:30.100 dismiss, or

00:24:31.160 yes, there's

00:24:31.920 merit to

00:24:32.440 bring the

00:24:32.820 case, let's

00:24:33.520 have discovery,

00:24:34.540 let's see

00:24:35.320 what kind of

00:24:38.420 documents and

00:24:39.540 communications

00:24:40.360 have transpired

00:24:41.680 in the course

00:24:42.800 of that

00:24:43.380 season, and

00:24:45.580 move forward

00:24:46.380 to proceed

00:24:47.140 with the

00:24:48.040 actual case.

00:24:49.980 We are

00:24:50.340 confident in

00:24:51.120 all three that

00:24:51.860 that will

00:24:52.420 happen and

00:24:53.480 that all

00:24:54.120 three judges

00:24:54.800 will agree,

00:24:56.640 yes, there

00:24:57.960 is merit, we

00:24:58.760 need to

00:24:59.280 hear the

00:24:59.780 full case.

00:25:02.220 Recently, there's

00:25:03.720 been some

00:25:05.040 questions from

00:25:06.240 the judge,

00:25:06.860 posed from

00:25:07.420 the judge, in

00:25:09.200 the Gaines

00:25:09.640 versus NCAA

00:25:10.560 case about

00:25:12.360 hasn't the

00:25:14.420 policy changed,

00:25:16.740 rectified the

00:25:18.540 rules moving

00:25:19.500 forward?

00:25:20.540 Haven't they

00:25:21.200 already changed

00:25:22.200 the policy to

00:25:23.060 say men are

00:25:24.680 no longer

00:25:25.240 welcome on

00:25:25.860 women's teams?

00:25:26.680 that is

00:25:28.120 another myth

00:25:29.120 that has

00:25:30.820 been circulating

00:25:33.000 in the

00:25:33.920 public.

00:25:34.740 I think the

00:25:35.680 NCAA's

00:25:36.640 announcement of

00:25:37.580 the policy

00:25:38.100 change bars

00:25:39.380 men from

00:25:41.160 women's

00:25:41.900 competitions.

00:25:43.840 We did see

00:25:45.200 that Ithaca

00:25:45.920 College had

00:25:47.200 a male rower

00:25:48.060 participate

00:25:48.980 after the

00:25:49.860 policy change

00:25:50.860 that slipped

00:25:52.020 through the

00:25:52.420 cracks because

00:25:53.340 there is no

00:25:54.840 mechanism to

00:25:56.360 screen male

00:25:58.480 athletes in

00:25:59.380 women's sports

00:26:00.160 yet.

00:26:00.600 They said we're

00:26:01.620 not going to

00:26:02.080 allow this in

00:26:02.720 competition.

00:26:03.940 However, how

00:26:05.200 do they tell

00:26:06.260 other than

00:26:07.720 relying on a

00:26:08.700 changeable birth

00:26:09.620 certificate who

00:26:11.260 is male and

00:26:12.280 female?

00:26:13.020 That's one of

00:26:14.280 our arguments at

00:26:15.220 ICONS is we

00:26:17.100 really need to

00:26:17.880 have a

00:26:18.960 screening process

00:26:19.940 that ensures

00:26:21.780 that female

00:26:22.960 athletes are

00:26:23.720 not participating

00:26:25.200 on teams.

00:26:27.100 But beyond

00:26:27.840 just competition,

00:26:29.700 women's sports

00:26:30.560 teams in

00:26:31.120 college encompass

00:26:32.880 so much more.

00:26:33.940 The training,

00:26:35.420 the locker

00:26:36.460 rooms,

00:26:37.940 awards,

00:26:39.800 scholarships,

00:26:41.080 all of these

00:26:41.860 benefits are

00:26:43.100 still,

00:26:44.580 men are still

00:26:46.180 given access to

00:26:47.160 these things.

00:26:47.600 and we're

00:26:48.000 seeing them

00:26:48.620 across the

00:26:49.160 country.

00:26:50.000 In just the

00:26:50.600 past few

00:26:51.400 weeks,

00:26:52.340 we've been

00:26:52.980 approached by

00:26:53.760 a few

00:26:54.580 different teams

00:26:55.820 who have

00:26:56.960 experienced men

00:26:58.140 on their

00:26:58.700 Division III

00:26:59.560 women's teams

00:27:01.000 who are in

00:27:02.780 the locker

00:27:03.200 rooms who

00:27:03.960 are still

00:27:04.700 racking up

00:27:05.540 women's awards

00:27:06.480 but, you

00:27:07.540 know,

00:27:07.680 maybe racing

00:27:08.600 unattached on

00:27:10.060 the women's

00:27:10.680 teams.

00:27:11.860 Loopholes like

00:27:12.600 that, that

00:27:13.140 schools are

00:27:13.980 still,

00:27:14.760 you know,

00:27:17.480 kind of

00:27:17.880 barreling

00:27:19.180 through with

00:27:19.720 their ideology.

00:27:21.240 So, we

00:27:21.880 need, we

00:27:22.600 need protections

00:27:23.400 beyond what

00:27:24.680 the NCAA

00:27:25.320 policy that

00:27:27.160 stands

00:27:27.960 protects.

00:27:30.120 So,

00:27:30.900 we're hoping

00:27:32.280 with these

00:27:32.880 cases that,

00:27:33.980 again, there's

00:27:34.560 long-standing

00:27:35.300 legal precedence

00:27:36.700 that, that

00:27:37.700 Title IX is

00:27:38.520 clear, that

00:27:39.240 it's for

00:27:39.960 female athletes

00:27:40.860 only, and

00:27:42.520 that the

00:27:44.100 NCAA really

00:27:45.300 needs to do

00:27:46.080 more in

00:27:46.740 their protection

00:27:47.360 of girls

00:27:48.040 long-term.

00:27:50.060 So, are

00:27:50.240 you telling

00:27:50.620 me the

00:27:51.320 headlines that

00:27:52.360 I read on

00:27:52.960 Facebook where

00:27:53.880 I have won

00:27:54.660 $50 million

00:27:55.620 because the

00:27:57.520 NCAA has

00:27:58.520 settled and

00:27:59.180 we've won

00:27:59.800 this lawsuit,

00:28:00.880 you're telling

00:28:01.420 me those

00:28:01.800 aren't true?

00:28:03.960 I wish they

00:28:05.060 were true

00:28:05.760 because...

00:28:06.520 Me too.

00:28:07.740 I've been

00:28:08.480 waiting for the

00:28:09.240 money to hit

00:28:09.760 my bank

00:28:10.200 account.

00:28:12.140 $50 million.

00:28:13.300 I think I

00:28:13.940 started seeing

00:28:15.180 those headlines

00:28:15.940 within a

00:28:17.200 month of the

00:28:18.060 lawsuit being

00:28:18.840 filed.

00:28:19.680 Yeah.

00:28:20.180 That would be

00:28:20.840 record speed

00:28:21.700 for any

00:28:22.700 legal case

00:28:23.540 to be

00:28:23.940 settled.

00:28:24.880 I saw one

00:28:25.600 the other

00:28:25.960 day that

00:28:26.720 said Riley

00:28:27.380 Gaines

00:28:28.000 sues Whoopi

00:28:29.680 Goldberg for

00:28:30.640 $8 million

00:28:31.460 defamation

00:28:32.960 suit.

00:28:33.560 I'm like,

00:28:33.860 oh, I

00:28:34.120 did?

00:28:35.200 When?

00:28:36.400 I hope I

00:28:36.840 win.

00:28:38.220 It's just

00:28:38.960 ridiculous,

00:28:39.400 these headlines.

00:28:40.540 But nonetheless,

00:28:42.180 they circulate

00:28:43.300 and people

00:28:43.680 believe them.

00:28:45.060 So,

00:28:45.400 important to

00:28:46.100 debunk those

00:28:46.920 now.

00:28:47.680 We also

00:28:47.980 just found

00:28:48.440 out that

00:28:48.960 the Supreme

00:28:50.020 Court will

00:28:51.380 be hearing

00:28:52.060 oral arguments

00:28:52.920 surrounding a

00:28:54.040 Title IX case.

00:28:55.580 I imagine

00:28:56.420 the votes are

00:28:57.540 there.

00:28:57.920 If I could

00:28:58.500 predict what's

00:28:59.380 going to

00:28:59.620 happen,

00:29:00.500 it would be

00:29:01.100 a 6-3

00:29:02.300 ruling with

00:29:03.520 a scathing

00:29:05.960 dissent

00:29:06.540 written by

00:29:07.500 the liberal

00:29:08.000 justices.

00:29:08.880 So,

00:29:09.200 what would

00:29:10.360 this ultimately

00:29:11.220 mean,

00:29:12.640 especially as

00:29:13.180 it pertains

00:29:13.620 to,

00:29:14.400 I mean,

00:29:14.580 of course,

00:29:14.880 the Supreme

00:29:15.540 Court is

00:29:15.900 like the

00:29:16.220 law of

00:29:16.780 the land.

00:29:18.800 We have

00:29:19.660 been waiting

00:29:20.160 for the

00:29:20.920 Supreme

00:29:21.260 Court to

00:29:21.900 take up a

00:29:22.420 women's

00:29:22.780 sports case

00:29:23.580 for a

00:29:24.480 long time.

00:29:25.920 So,

00:29:26.560 when I saw

00:29:27.480 that,

00:29:28.180 they're actually

00:29:29.060 going to hear

00:29:29.540 two cases

00:29:30.860 from Idaho

00:29:32.440 and West

00:29:33.880 Virginia.

00:29:35.260 And,

00:29:35.640 essentially,

00:29:36.380 both of

00:29:36.860 those are

00:29:37.920 asking the

00:29:38.860 Supreme

00:29:39.240 Court to

00:29:41.060 rule on

00:29:43.300 whether it's

00:29:44.320 constitutional for

00:29:45.660 states like

00:29:46.940 those two to

00:29:48.640 have state

00:29:49.960 laws on the

00:29:50.600 books that

00:29:51.640 protect women's

00:29:52.920 sports for

00:29:53.900 women only.

00:29:55.900 Right now,

00:29:56.460 I think we

00:29:57.220 were talking

00:29:57.660 about 27 or

00:29:58.760 28 states

00:29:59.940 have laws

00:30:00.900 that do

00:30:02.000 just that,

00:30:02.740 protect women

00:30:03.340 in sports.

00:30:04.500 However,

00:30:05.560 there is

00:30:06.640 limitations to

00:30:07.700 these two

00:30:08.160 cases.

00:30:08.780 So,

00:30:09.500 I anticipate

00:30:10.260 wins,

00:30:11.700 depending on

00:30:12.420 when our

00:30:13.620 babies are

00:30:14.240 born,

00:30:15.340 I anticipate

00:30:16.040 you and I

00:30:16.820 being outside

00:30:17.580 the Supreme

00:30:18.300 Court together

00:30:19.400 to support

00:30:21.480 the ADF

00:30:24.760 and all

00:30:26.040 the incredible

00:30:26.720 attorneys fighting

00:30:28.160 on behalf of

00:30:29.180 women and

00:30:30.040 girls.

00:30:31.640 But,

00:30:32.560 you know,

00:30:33.440 again,

00:30:34.100 they're limited

00:30:34.780 in the scope

00:30:35.580 of what that

00:30:36.400 decision will

00:30:37.680 entail.

00:30:38.640 And,

00:30:39.500 selfishly for

00:30:40.280 me,

00:30:40.740 I am not

00:30:41.400 in a red

00:30:41.900 state.

00:30:42.400 I am not

00:30:43.020 in one of

00:30:43.600 those 27

00:30:44.420 states.

00:30:45.260 And I

00:30:45.560 don't

00:30:45.800 anticipate

00:30:46.580 Nevada

00:30:48.180 passing a

00:30:49.560 state law

00:30:50.280 anytime soon

00:30:51.880 for my

00:30:52.480 daughter's

00:30:53.080 protection.

00:30:54.220 And,

00:30:54.640 you know,

00:30:55.580 California,

00:30:56.800 Minnesota,

00:30:57.800 Connecticut,

00:30:58.260 these are

00:30:58.920 blue states

00:30:59.780 that likely

00:31:01.060 will never

00:31:01.600 have such

00:31:02.720 state laws.

00:31:03.780 And so,

00:31:04.380 what more

00:31:05.360 can we do

00:31:06.360 beyond,

00:31:07.720 you know,

00:31:08.860 really fortifying

00:31:09.900 that states

00:31:10.600 can pass

00:31:11.480 these laws?

00:31:12.520 Well,

00:31:13.420 clarifying

00:31:14.760 Title IX,

00:31:16.040 because we

00:31:16.880 already have

00:31:17.500 an existing

00:31:18.100 federal law

00:31:19.080 that every

00:31:19.860 state should

00:31:20.440 be complying

00:31:21.180 with,

00:31:21.520 and getting

00:31:23.260 some legal

00:31:23.900 court wins

00:31:24.740 and,

00:31:25.340 you know,

00:31:26.240 our three

00:31:27.260 collegiate

00:31:27.900 cases,

00:31:28.360 as well as

00:31:29.180 the Sewell

00:31:29.600 case of

00:31:30.700 the Connecticut

00:31:31.320 high school

00:31:32.420 runners that

00:31:33.080 has been

00:31:33.780 ongoing for,

00:31:35.460 I want to

00:31:35.700 say,

00:31:35.940 over six

00:31:36.620 years.

00:31:37.420 Yeah,

00:31:37.620 six or

00:31:38.100 seven years

00:31:38.720 now.

00:31:39.460 All of

00:31:40.080 these cases

00:31:41.100 are really

00:31:42.960 important to

00:31:44.000 move forward

00:31:44.980 as well.

00:31:46.020 So,

00:31:46.220 we're hoping

00:31:46.680 now that

00:31:47.420 the Supreme

00:31:48.240 Court has

00:31:48.860 opened the

00:31:49.420 gates to

00:31:49.960 hearing women's

00:31:51.260 sports cases

00:31:52.080 that will

00:31:54.000 get some

00:31:54.540 of these

00:31:54.840 wins in

00:31:55.340 higher courts

00:31:56.140 for these

00:31:57.200 other cases

00:31:57.880 as well.

00:31:59.280 Yeah,

00:31:59.480 fantastic.

00:32:00.500 What else

00:32:01.060 is kind of

00:32:02.220 at the

00:32:02.720 forefront of

00:32:03.700 icons right

00:32:04.420 now?

00:32:05.520 I think

00:32:06.320 specifically,

00:32:07.120 like,

00:32:07.640 what can we

00:32:08.360 expect at

00:32:09.480 the Olympics?

00:32:10.640 Obviously,

00:32:11.220 they're in

00:32:11.660 the U.S.

00:32:12.660 It's on

00:32:13.080 U.S.

00:32:13.540 soil in

00:32:14.060 L.A.

00:32:14.400 in 2028.

00:32:15.640 Will we

00:32:16.140 see men

00:32:17.160 and women's

00:32:17.640 sports in

00:32:18.760 the 2028

00:32:19.440 Olympics?

00:32:19.800 It's a

00:32:22.420 possibility.

00:32:23.740 I know

00:32:24.580 President Trump

00:32:25.800 and the

00:32:26.360 administration

00:32:27.060 is firmly

00:32:28.600 opposed to

00:32:29.400 that.

00:32:30.180 There's a

00:32:30.840 lot of

00:32:31.120 work that

00:32:31.640 needs to

00:32:32.140 be done

00:32:32.740 because the

00:32:33.860 IOC,

00:32:34.680 the International

00:32:35.320 Olympic

00:32:35.740 Committee,

00:32:37.120 has not

00:32:38.640 passed any

00:32:40.340 guidelines or

00:32:41.800 rules that

00:32:42.860 bar men

00:32:43.920 at the

00:32:44.900 Olympic

00:32:45.340 level.

00:32:45.940 individual

00:32:47.260 sports have

00:32:48.680 done that

00:32:49.260 to a

00:32:49.660 degree.

00:32:50.820 So,

00:32:51.100 certain

00:32:51.340 sports like

00:32:52.100 world

00:32:52.380 athletics,

00:32:53.020 track and

00:32:53.400 field,

00:32:54.500 world

00:32:55.140 aquatics,

00:32:56.300 and swimming

00:32:56.880 in the

00:32:57.220 water sports,

00:32:58.600 and others

00:32:59.360 have passed

00:33:00.640 some

00:33:01.320 regulations

00:33:02.560 that really

00:33:03.560 limit that,

00:33:04.360 I think,

00:33:04.800 to men

00:33:06.620 who have

00:33:07.900 not,

00:33:08.960 quote-unquote,

00:33:09.640 transitioned or

00:33:10.820 been medicalized

00:33:11.860 prior to the

00:33:12.780 age of 12.

00:33:13.620 However,

00:33:16.380 most sports

00:33:17.220 are not

00:33:17.700 protected,

00:33:19.260 and therefore

00:33:20.380 we've seen

00:33:21.420 instances like

00:33:22.560 in boxing

00:33:23.160 where male

00:33:25.000 athletes have

00:33:26.380 snuck onto

00:33:27.920 the ring and

00:33:29.120 actually put

00:33:29.940 women in

00:33:31.220 lethal danger,

00:33:33.460 and so

00:33:34.480 far,

00:33:35.580 you know,

00:33:37.040 there is

00:33:37.620 still an

00:33:38.220 avenue for

00:33:38.840 them to

00:33:39.440 do that

00:33:39.960 in LA.

00:33:41.060 There is a

00:33:41.760 new IOC

00:33:42.360 president,

00:33:42.960 Kirstie

00:33:43.520 Coventry.

00:33:44.240 She was

00:33:44.780 actually a

00:33:45.300 competitor of

00:33:46.040 mine in

00:33:46.480 the 200

00:33:46.940 back in

00:33:48.440 the NCAA.

00:33:49.960 I am

00:33:50.860 hopeful that

00:33:52.940 she will

00:33:53.380 really take

00:33:54.000 this seriously

00:33:54.880 and change

00:33:56.320 some roles,

00:33:57.140 but we need

00:33:57.840 to continue

00:33:58.420 to apply

00:33:59.220 pressure at

00:34:00.160 the Olympic

00:34:00.640 level.

00:34:01.880 Education

00:34:02.440 is,

00:34:04.100 the fight

00:34:05.160 is in

00:34:05.540 full force,

00:34:06.360 but for

00:34:07.120 club,

00:34:07.700 Olympic,

00:34:08.300 and professional

00:34:09.020 sports,

00:34:09.860 we still have

00:34:10.720 a really long

00:34:11.400 way to go.

00:34:12.780 So we need

00:34:13.480 to continue

00:34:14.160 to rattle

00:34:15.220 the cages

00:34:15.820 and be

00:34:17.760 really vocal

00:34:18.480 about our

00:34:19.780 support of

00:34:20.800 our club

00:34:21.380 team athletes.

00:34:23.960 What's the

00:34:24.240 best way for

00:34:24.860 people to

00:34:25.600 get involved

00:34:26.680 to help

00:34:27.260 the cause,

00:34:28.220 even if they

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00:34:30.560 the Gaines

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Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - July 16, 2025

UPenn's Apology Is Not Enough

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