Jussie Smollett is a black, gay actor who plays a gay character on the show Empire. He claims he was the victim of a hate crime committed by white supremacists in MAGA country. Is this true or is this a hoax? And if it is true, what does it say about the state of racism and homophobia in America today? And why does this story have such a big impact on the media and the country at large? And does it really matter if it's true or not? And is it even possible that this could be a hoax at all? And if so, what would you do if you were Jussie and someone yelled, "This is MAGA Country"? I ll tell you what I would do, and why it's probably not a good idea to eat a sub at Subway while on the way to the hospital and how he could have gotten there if it was a hoax or if it really happened why it s a real hoax, and if it s even possible what do we need to do anything about it who are we supposed to believe it? and why is this even a hoax or not in the first place? What s the difference between a hoax and a real hate crime ? and what s going to do about it? I ll give you my thoughts on it, and what we should do to make sure it s not a hoax, you ll have a better chance of being proven at least a little more skeptical of it s true by someone who s supposed to be more skeptical about it, right? . the President of the United States a better than the rest of us than we think it s gonna be a real joke , right ? we ll see what we know about this What do you think of it, should we believe it s really happened? , . I ll let you know what I think about it is on this episode of the podcast, right , and I ll be back next week, right here on the podcast next week! with a new episode of The Nipsey after the podcast next week will be talking about it in the next episode of That s Jussie s story ( ) & more! and more ! AND
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00:01:34.000Okay, so just for the record, if this did happen, my heart goes out to the guy, and I'm not just wrong about this case, or for being dubious, but I'm wrong about America, and I'm wrong about MAGA, and I'm wrong about the state of racism and homophobia in America today.
00:01:50.000If this story is true, I'm at least partially wrong about a lot of stuff.
00:01:57.000Although we did have those kids who found a kid in a MAGA hat who was mentally handicapped, black kids, tortured him, cut his shirt up, cut him, and I think they got away with probation or something.
00:02:08.000And it didn't have nearly the kind of national push this story is having.
00:02:31.000So he goes to Subway, and I'm guessing that at Subway he got an Italian BMT, 6-inch Italian bread, provolone cheese, toasted, and then after it came out of the oven he could have got like...
00:02:46.000Some lettuce, some jalapeno peppers, some banana peppers, honey mustard, some pickles.
00:12:34.000I can think, like they'd hate Sean King, and they'd hate Al Sharpton, and they'd obviously hate Farrakhan, and actually maybe they agree with the super, super extremist black dudes.
00:12:42.000Maybe they like the black, actually I've heard, I've heard Tom Metzger I think it was, or one of these old school Nazis, say that the black Hebrew Israelites are just a black version of them.
00:12:56.000Whatever that group he was in, maybe it was the KKK or something.
00:12:59.000So yeah, but the idea that a bunch of racists would really hone in on a gay actor on a show for black people, basically.
00:13:11.000I mean, I know it's not for black people, but you know what I mean.
00:13:13.000It's not like it's a totally mainstream show that everyone in middle America is talking about.
00:13:19.000Did he say that his tweet was something that could have alerted, like, stalkers?
00:13:23.000Because he said, oh, I'm stuck at O'Hare or whatever?
00:13:26.000Yes, that's why I mentioned that at the beginning.
00:13:28.000So now, if you were trying to find somebody based on a tweet like this, so they're stalking his Twitter, like, oh, he just tweeted where he's at, let's go, and then what they
00:13:37.000They move from wherever they are with their noose and their bleach, and they try to find him.
00:13:43.000Well, they would go to his apartment, and then it's reasonable that they know what apartment he's in, what building he lives in.
00:13:50.000Then they wait for him, they let him get his sub.
00:14:22.000Well, he could have mailed it to himself, but that is just like... If he mailed it to himself,
00:14:29.000Because he planned to make up a hate crime eight days from that.
00:14:32.000This guy needs to go into a mental institution.
00:14:35.000That is way beyond, like there's hate crime hoaxes where you do something stupid, like say, you grab some guy's balls, because you think he's gay, and it turns out he isn't gay, and then he beats you up, and he's a black guy, and you think, uh-oh, I gotta go to the hospital and come up with something.
00:14:49.000I'm not gonna say I grabbed some straight guy's dick.
00:15:01.000I'm saying this is one of the most confusing cases I've ever read.
00:15:05.000And the reason I'm bringing it up on this podcast is because we've been getting great letters these days that explain things like new theories about why everyone hates Brad.
00:15:28.000Oh my god, yeah, I almost forgot too, and then the inflation of the $1 million per fight in 1920, somebody told me if we went by the gold inflation, $1 million would be worth about $65 million now.
00:15:43.000But if you, and as I said to you when you brought that up, if you bought a million dollars of real estate in 1920, you'd be a fucking billionaire by now.
00:15:51.000Shit, if you bought a million dollars in 1975,
00:15:56.000Or when Dinkins was mayor and the whole place sucked, you'd be a kazillionaire.
00:16:01.000I mean apartment, the West Village was terrible in the 80s.
00:16:42.000James Bond could have taken out about 15 of them and then it's possible he would steal a car and it's possible that car has things that can go into water.
00:17:57.000You know, the creator of the show, he said that, you know, this attack is heinous and stuff like that, and then he ends it with, America is better than this.
00:18:11.000That's why we're so curious about this case.
00:18:14.000Empire creator Lee Daniels posted an emotional strong reaction to the news that actor Jesse Smollett was brutally attacked in a possible hate crime.
00:18:29.000It's sort of like with the indigenous ceremony too, where they go, we don't want an America where young men think it's okay to destroy indigenous ceremonies.
00:18:50.000I have to admit, part of me bringing this up is selfish, because if this blows up, I want, and that's why I'm doing a podcast on a day I don't normally do it, because I want people to go, holy fuck, man.
00:19:43.000So you recognize him, either you're stalking him and you go, all right, let's do this.
00:19:48.000And then you would just put on the ski masks, put the MAGA hat in your backpack or whatever, don't bring your MAGA hat, and do the beating and then run away.
00:20:25.000If you're trying to get away with it, you don't do that.
00:20:28.000I would kill to be able to talk to the detective on this case.
00:20:31.000Can you imagine having a beer with him?
00:20:35.000And just saying all this to him and going, well, actually those guys aren't that fun.
00:20:39.000They're usually just like, well, if the tapes show guys with ski masks, we got a guy.
00:20:43.000And if we got no footage, we got no case.
00:20:45.000And you're like, dude, I realize that, but can we pontificate please?
00:20:49.000They're not very, uh, Dungeons and Dragons-y, those detectives.
00:20:53.000They're just like, well, if this, if she got the money from her mom, like she said, then we got, we got nothing.
00:20:58.000And if the mother doesn't know about the money, then someone's going to jail.
00:21:01.000And you're like, yeah, what if, hypothetically, I guess we could go there, but I, you know, I don't because, you know, the evidence doesn't speak.
00:22:03.000If the footage comes out and we see MAGA hats with ski masks beating this man and they seem to have a bleach thing, I will punch myself in the face and I will eat a $100 bill.
00:23:47.000But this, another guy I know texts, now the cops are saying the quote unquote rope that he still had around his neck 45 minutes after the attack was thin clothesline.
00:23:59.000Maybe he was with a guy, one of those guys who was like gay curious and then he wrapped a thing around his neck and then the straight guy got freaked out that he was doing gay stuff and he punched him in the face and ran out.
00:24:38.000With his perfect van, and there's just... If you drive that around, you're gonna get tickets.
00:24:43.000All the windows are, like, fucking... So you think that whole thing was a false flag?
00:24:48.000No, I think, like, I was a loon, but they did with that what they, you know, they spun that because, um, remember they tried to link that to the Proud Boys because they mentioned it in a thing?
00:24:59.000Oh, he had liked a thing or something?
00:25:00.000It made it seem like they sent it or something.
00:25:28.000The day, what I can't get over, and I have no answer for this by the way, what I can't get over is that same day, and how many times has that happened in American history, where every major left-wing politician got a package the same day.
00:25:40.000So that same day, Governor Cuomo gets a package, but it's not the same.
00:25:46.000It's a thumb drive with a bunch of Proud Boys stuff on it from that night.
00:25:49.000Probably an Antifa sending them all the footage, probably that guy.
00:26:08.000Anyway, I just can't get over that the one day that all these politicians receive a strange package, Cuomo receives an unrelated strange package.
00:26:17.000And out of his entire career, which is decades,
00:26:20.000How many times has he received strange packages?
00:26:25.000So that's just such a bizarre coincidence.
00:26:27.000Oh yeah, and you know, de Blasio and Cuomo seem to have been butting heads on the involvement of the police, or we get state police, or whatever, remember that?
00:26:35.000Yep, he wanted to be more involved and de Blasio was saying, I got it, I got it, chill out, mafia man.
00:26:40.000And I don't know man, I think they were pretty unified on this topic besides that.
00:26:46.000So it's like, and he has the police commissioner, de Blasio has the police commissioner, like,
00:28:34.000And why would you bring a rope just as a gesture?
00:28:38.000That's really one of the fishiest things.
00:28:39.000If you're going to bring a rope, but you're not going to actually hang someone with it, you put it around their neck, why would the person, as he gets in his car to drive to the hospital, keep it on his neck for 45 minutes?
00:28:51.000Yeah, and can you send a letter like that?
00:28:52.000A return address MAGA and then fuckin' children's handwriting on the front?
00:29:07.000Yeah, something just really, really, really weird is going on.
00:29:10.000And I wanted to get that on the podcast before, because we're living in a, in a time when the left and the right sees two totally different Americas.
00:29:20.000It goes back to Charles Krauthammer's thing where he said, they think we're evil.
00:29:26.000They, so many people on the left, especially in the creative class and Hollywood actors, comedians, the entire DNC, have painted this picture of these roaming hate gangs wearing MAGA hats and attacking people of color, trans, Muslims, killing them.
00:29:52.000There is not a surge in right-wing violence in the age of Trump.
00:29:57.000This idea that racism was always there and Trump emboldened them, I don't even know what it comes from.
00:30:03.000I think it comes from after Charlottesville, he said, there's good people on the bad and the right.
00:30:08.000And that became him saying there are good people amongst the evil Nazis.
00:30:15.000And I think what he was doing when he said good people on the on both sides of that Charlottesville thing is he was trying to diffuse a massive race war and just he was adding some obfuscation in there and saying yeah there was evil shitty people that he denounced a million times but there was also some journalists and people who didn't realize what it was and don't go killing everyone who who seems to to you know be white and conservative because you think that there's a race war starting.
00:30:46.000There is a huge Nazi thing going on and we have to stop it.
00:30:50.000I mean, you're going to get some people killed.
00:30:53.000And I know that sounds terrible when I say there, there isn't a, no, there's no uptick in rise in antisemitism, but I should bookmark these, those two articles because, uh,
00:31:06.000So I always send these two articles to people because they're really well researched and they help explain the myth of this evil racist America where guys in ski masks are running around pouring bleach on people and hanging nooses around their neck in Chicago.
00:31:21.000I mean, I bet New York has similar racial demographics.
00:31:24.000Imagine a black guy getting attacked in the West Village or the Lower East Side with guys yelling, this is MAGA country!
00:31:43.000So Jonathan S. Tobin in the New York Post, but he's syndicated, so this could have been anywhere.
00:31:49.000The headline is, no, there's no Trump-fueled surge in anti-Semitism.
00:31:54.000The fact that people are trying to pin anti-Semitism on Trump is just mental.
00:31:58.000I used to say this, I'm not sure it's true anymore, but it was true for a while.
00:32:03.000Oh yeah, before Kimberly Guilfoyle came along.
00:32:05.000Every adult son and daughter, every person, every offspring of Trump's who can legally have sex is having sex with a Jewish person right now.
00:32:16.000And Ivanka converted to Orthodox Judaism.
00:32:27.000He changed the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
00:32:32.000The guy is the most Jewish friendly president we've ever had in our lives.
00:32:38.000Or no, sorry, America's ever had, not just in my lifetime.
00:32:41.000Anyway, so the commonly cited statistic is that there's this huge rise of anti-Semitism and there's a spike and a surge.
00:32:51.000But you look at it and you go, this is mostly from the ADL, who has really misleading stats, they're just like the SPLC, and they're just like the SPLC in that they used to be cool and really help people and be able to, you know, prevent hatred and bigotry and blah blah blah.
00:33:26.000To start, this is from the Jonathan Tobin article about there's no surge in antisemitism.
00:33:33.000The 57% jump in antisemitic incidents is inflated because it includes 163 bomb threats to Jewish community centers and other institutions in the first months of the Trump presidency.
00:33:45.000That led new ADL chief Jonathan Greenblatt to blame the president for the work of far-right extremists.
00:33:51.000But it turned out the incidents weren't about anti-semitism.
00:33:54.000The main perpetrator was a disturbed Israeli teenager.
00:33:57.000And you'll notice this with all these hate stats.
00:34:01.000They always bring loonies into the hate zone.
00:34:17.000We don't, I don't, and I have no idea why we don't know anything about that.
00:34:21.000And then he also says, perhaps most important, some antisemitic incidents, the ADL doesn't try to track how many, are the work of pro-Palestinian groups on college campuses, probably white kids who aren't even Palestinian, which plainly has nothing to do with Trump or the right.
00:34:42.000The other article that I think is very important, especially now in America where we have this, it's just accepted that the MAGA hat is a Klan hood and people are beating people of color on the streets for laughs.
00:34:58.000It's on Real Clear Politics, but again, syndicated guy you'll find anywhere.
00:35:02.000And the title is, there is no, quote unquote, surge in right-wing violence.
00:35:08.000And he starts out saying, a Washington Post analysis of domestic terrorism argues that attacks from white supremacists and other far-right attackers, far-right.
00:35:42.000I mean, you talk to even like Michelle Malkin, she's pretty right-wing.
00:35:45.000She's one of the most conservative people I know.
00:35:47.000She is all about marijuana legalization and she's probably against gay marriage, but I don't think she would give a shit if you brought your gay lover over to her house for dinner.
00:36:10.000According to the Washington Post, which relies on global terrorism database data, there were zero acts of right-wing terrorism in the entire nation in 2002.
00:36:20.000Since then, we have seen a quote-unquote surge to 36 in a nation of 325 plus million people in 2017.
00:36:26.000Among those acts, there were 11 fatalities.
00:36:33.000Compare that, by the way, to the West Side Highway and San Bernardino and Paul shooting.
00:36:37.000And then he says, in other words, fewer homicides were committed by political terrorists of any stripe in the United States in 2017 than were committed by undocumented immigrants in the state of Texas alone, which I am assured is an incredibly low number that you shouldn't worry about very much.
00:36:54.000If one of those these surges is scaremongering, why not the other?
00:36:57.000Meaning, um, why isn't, uh, anyway, forget it.
00:37:02.000Why aren't they using stats for the opposite side of the argument?
00:37:07.000Yes, if you're, like, there's a surge in undocumented immigrant violence, why doesn't anyone talk about that?
00:37:11.000Why hasn't that been emboldened in the age of Trump?
00:37:15.000For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooters, oh yeah, I already talked about that one.
00:37:21.000Of the 32 incidents I was able to find, 12 featured perpetrators who were merely suspected of being right-wing terrorists.
00:37:27.000Some of these incidents could have been the work of one person, as in the pellet gun shootings of Muslims in New York.
00:37:32.000In other incidents, we were asked to treat patently insane people as if they had coherent political agendas.
00:37:37.000Anyway, those are two great articles that sort of sum up what I'm saying now.
00:37:40.000And the reason I bring all this up is, if this guy's lying,
00:37:54.000I was talking to one person about it, who I won't name.
00:37:58.000And he said, I think the problem with a lot of these actors is they think that they're profound because they have really talented people writing for them.
00:38:05.000And so they say these incredibly eloquent things and they think, God damn it, I'm like Moses.
00:38:09.000So then they come up with their own script and they write it really badly.
00:38:15.000Like, were the hats on the ski masks or did they take the hats off and then put on the ski masks?
00:39:12.000What's important is, you better not be lying dude.
00:39:15.000Because that's a really shitty thing to do if you're lying that uh that's separating the country and and we're in a strange place now where People like call the FBI if they see something suspicious or they they leave bars they talk about feeling unsafe all the time and it's because the DNC has said we need to make people think America's racist and They're as Joe Biden said, but they're gonna have you all in chains What is the deal with um?
00:39:42.000And there might be no deal with it, but the headlines are verbatim for Daily Local, News Press Now, NBC, CNN, WNEP.
00:39:53.000It's all empire, in quotes, actor attacked, impossible hate crime.
00:40:07.000Because now it's like, there was something suspicious about my talk and how the signs were so beautiful and everything, though my name was spelled wrong, which means you're not actually familiar with me.
00:40:19.000But am I crazy for thinking that someone encouraged him to do this and said, look, there could be a lot in it for you if you mail yourself this and then go to the hospital and do this.
00:40:56.000Anyway, I don't like that these podcasts are being so serious, and I selfishly wanted to get this one in under the wire in case it blows up as a hate crime hoax tomorrow, and I wanted people to admire me.