00:04:39.740And why aren't we investing in local products here in Canada rather than relying on dictator oil?
00:04:45.500This is about the welfare of the child.
00:04:47.340That there's nobody in here that doesn't want access to quality, affordable childcare.
00:04:51.520And the stress and the pages and pages and pages of notes I have from parents whose mental health is declining daily because they do not have access to child care is a major, major concern.
00:31:51.080it's leadership that can't fathom that their lives weren't impacted so they're the problem
00:31:58.780instead of understanding that people lost their jobs they got sick they died they couldn't go
00:32:04.760visit their mothers in the hospital they couldn't go to work and that's they were planning their
00:32:09.820own suicides that's something that we heard every single day it's i think that's what's missing and
00:32:14.900it was kind of like a light bulb moment for me when i saw this and it was such validation right
00:32:19.740the day that the federal anyways that statement just struck me and i think that's a huge problem
00:32:28.540and you know i saw a tweet a while ago um that somebody had posted about how you know and during
00:32:34.220the convoy just everyday regular canadians like chris and i and all of them were just normal
00:32:39.680people um went to ottawa to just ask for a conversation and we were treated like nothing
00:32:45.620you know it is us it is the people the regular people that keep this country going you know it
00:32:53.860certainly isn't the freaking liberal government you know but to be just to go there expecting
00:33:00.320that these people that are public servants and elected um to refuse especially after the 2021
00:33:06.440protests where you know trudeau kept talking about we have it's the importance of dialogue
00:33:11.540we need to maintain dialogue we have to keep the conversations going so their favorite saying is
00:33:16.920nothing about us without us okay then how about you walk the walk folks like the things they say
00:33:25.700and the things they do are like insanity i want to read you this tweet because it's perfect for
00:33:30.340what you said about empathy so i did this tweet i'm i'm you know sassy and spicy and i wrote on
00:33:35.840on x as long as you don't need a house gas groceries a job health care or safety things
00:33:42.280aren't so bad and this woman wrote back we have all of those things and we're happy so sorry you're
00:33:50.380not that's her voice that's my invitation and that's that's the whole point so i don't have
00:33:56.360those problems so it doesn't right and that's the lack of empathy that's the like like there's
00:34:04.600i i don't have that so i don't i want to take the vaccine so you should have to take it i like
00:34:11.080whatever my lens is your lens like they have an inability to understand that somebody's having it
00:34:17.240and in the words of justin trudeau experiencing it differently that's right exactly so true
00:34:24.040Well, I mean, it's going to be really interesting to see how this if, first of all, if the Supreme Court of Canada does grant them leave, I had a brief chat with John Carpe yesterday, and he thinks the chances of them succeeding with that request are slim. I hope he's right. But again, I mean, that also, obviously, there's a big controversy with Chief Justice Richard Wagner, and I've said it before, nobody loves him some Chief Justice Wagner more than Chief Justice Wagner.
00:34:51.640so you know it's going to be really interesting to see a even if he um is is if he doesn't recuses
00:34:57.560himself from deciding on whether to grant leave and then following that if they are granted leave
00:35:03.160um will he recuse himself from hearing this case at all based on the public comments that he made
00:35:08.760disparaging the freedom convoy and led the bar uh during during or just after the convoy uh just
00:35:14.520after i believe michelle did you hear about did you watch his actions after convoy and he was very
00:35:19.640vocal did a couple interviews speaking about uh what was the term that he used tomorrow
00:35:24.680oh i'll read it to you right now so the chief justice of the supreme court of canada shortly
00:35:29.640after the convoy um in a i'll just read this is from the national post in his interview with
00:35:38.200wagner characterized the protest on wellington street where parliament and the supreme court
00:35:42.840are located as quote the beginning of anarchy where some people have decided to take other
00:35:49.080citizens hostage end quote the article reports wagner is having declared that quote forced
00:35:55.080blows against the state justice and democratic institutions like the one delivered by protesters
00:36:02.040should be denounced with force by all figures of power in the country end quote that is the supreme
00:36:11.080but he's neutral yeah exactly he's a judge yeah he's gonna make a neutral decision did he walk
00:36:17.960the convoy no that's that's my next big thing right back to that nothing about us without us
00:36:27.560okay because i'm a woman in case anybody needs clarification and i walk that convoy every single
00:36:35.720day by myself 10 o'clock at night one o'clock in the morning when i come out of the house never
00:36:43.080once did i feel unsafe right yet marco medicina was standing in the house of commons um saying
00:36:51.000that people were being threatened with rape you know marco is a liar and you know that's that's
00:37:00.520the reality that marco is and marco was playing a role this is the problem like you know marco and
00:37:06.120i could walk down the hall and say hi how you doing but marco is also the same guy that i took
00:37:10.920out very aggressively when he just lost the email about paul bernardo getting transferred in the
00:37:16.760dead of the night but forgetting to tell the victim to a medium security prison yes yeah
00:37:24.840throwing you in the house of commons how do you become vocal on on camera like you are where you
00:37:30.520how do you become that position i know there's a lot of backbenchers that sit up in the thing
00:37:33.960and you never hear anything from them but you you rose right to one of the loudest voices in
00:37:38.040house of commons how did that happen um i don't know i think probably my training is is like a
00:37:46.380big issue like i do have a media background so i'm very comfortable speaking and public speaking and
00:37:51.720i'm very comfortable in front of the camera and i do um have that experience so i'm sure that
00:37:56.820probably played into it not everybody who's a member of parliament likes public speaking like
00:38:02.360actually the irony is a lot of people who hate public speaking or who were introverts like i can
00:38:06.840named four mps off the top of my head who were either mute had a major speech impediment couldn't
00:38:12.680speak it's like like it was like overcoming a fear for them so i think that's it also um
00:38:19.400you know i i am very i don't think i am but everybody tells me i am like i apparently i'm
00:38:26.760quite outspoken i think i can say what people think i don't know kind of a tosser between you
00:38:33.120and melissa lansbury i i was the two in the house that are probably the lowest during that time is
00:38:38.340was yeah listen i remember the one debate you can find that clip and um yara sacks got up we
00:38:47.900were debating we were having the emergency debate and like melissa lansman who's a jew jewish and
00:38:55.820and uh so is yara sax gets up and says honk honk is code for uh not to pile hit
00:39:04.960what is actually happening like have you lost your freaking mind like and i think it's like
00:39:13.060there's a couple of things that are ingredients in a terrible recipe like everybody wants attention
00:39:18.660and everybody wants to get a clip or whatever because we live in this space and i don't know
00:39:24.460what happens but sometimes like in that house i was like what are you doing like what are you
00:39:29.340actually do you hear yourself like you sound insane and um you have a lot of protection right
00:39:36.220when you're in the house like you of course there's a couple of rules you can't do like
00:39:40.140you can't call somebody by their name you can't call anybody a liar um but you do have protection
00:39:45.340it's uh i can't remember the name of it right now i'm drawing a complete blank
00:39:48.460parliamentary privilege yeah like what you say in the house right so right there was times there
00:39:53.180was sometimes where it was like okay let's go outside the doors you say that to me and i was
00:39:56.620like okay okay everybody needs to come yeah like it would get very heated right because people say
00:40:03.100like things like yarsak saying that like holy well and then who was it that said wasn't it
00:40:08.620somebody told melissa lanceman or accuser of standing uh with people swastikas yeah like so
00:40:15.900like it's it's not it's it is not and you know as a regular canadian citizen
00:40:21.100like i stopped watching a question period because i've seen more maturity in a kindergarten class
00:40:27.800and i get what it all is but michelle i would so much rather turn on my tv and see both sides of
00:40:34.980the house sitting at a table trying to constructively fix the problems that we have in
00:40:40.240this country instead of acting like you know toddlers um who can insult who the most and make
00:40:46.920make the other person look the worst this is canadian politics but how when can we get to
00:40:52.860the solution you work with somebody who doubles down yes says things like what she said how do
00:41:00.900you work with somebody like that and so it's so hard because everybody's like oh everybody should
00:41:06.280get along and collaborate and then you get in there and they do these psychotic things like
00:41:11.020justin trudeau not revoking the emergencies act and just doubling down and and lying like they
00:41:16.760lied and then they did lie how do you i took some heat from somebody on one of the messages today
00:41:23.860that i got from somebody saying hey there's a convoy to ottawa on on may 16th or something
00:41:28.040like that and i said i replied back and i'm like why what do you expect to accomplish i we've been
00:41:33.260i've been telling this to people we've been telling this to people for the last couple years
00:41:36.980get involved with your local community run for your city council run for your your school board
00:41:42.160your local rm get involved and change it from within and and i know anyone that took part in
00:41:48.140convoy in february 2022 felt it it was a it was a feeling you could never you can't relive that i
00:41:54.600don't see anything being accomplished by doing that again in the future what i do see is people
00:42:00.380getting involved in changing things from inside is that the path that people need to go or what
00:42:05.580your thoughts on that i i would totally agree with that and just to back up on on what you said
00:42:10.460to tamara like again leadership has to has to initiate that collaboration so so mark carney
00:42:17.600and the liberals appealing that uh federal court appeal that further like that stops the ability
00:42:24.540to sit at a table do you understand what i mean like yes i do so so you the leadership is so
00:42:31.200imperative because if you don't have a leader who's like, okay, everybody needs to park it for
00:42:36.400a second. You're going to eat it. You're going to eat it. And you're going to eat it. And you're
00:42:39.560all going to sit down and we're all going to figure this out. Right. That's a leader. That's
00:42:43.880mommy. That's parenting. Right. And, and nobody's, nobody's doing that. Right. Like I have to give
00:42:52.040a ton of credit today to Pierre Paulyab because he went on Joe Rogan. Yes. No, everybody's like,
00:42:58.900oh he didn't go hard enough on this i said pierre was there to sell canada not right he had of went
00:43:08.180on there and really doubled down on how broken and how bad it is does that sell us and there's
00:43:13.940a key moment when he says joe rogan says about well why isn't the prime minister stealing your
00:43:19.060ideas or working with you and pierre says i will not criticize the prime minister on foreign soil
00:43:24.900yeah that is that is the tone like it's it's like the big messy family right like we can all fight
00:43:34.400behind closed doors but when we're out here and right now we need to fix this relationship with
00:43:38.580the states like we have to like this we do yes we do yeah that's just what it is and so you know
00:43:44.800i think it was it was really important but to that point that's why i actually thought
00:43:49.600mark carney was going to be more of an adult to be honest with you like i thought he had more adult
00:43:56.020tendencies than justin justin was a child like he he is a child he's he's very immature and i thought
00:44:03.400that okay he's going to take this federal court of appeal even if he didn't acknowledge it which
00:44:08.400they weren't right like andrew lott they didn't they wouldn't even acknowledge it so that was
00:44:13.000indicator one what they were going to do but he but they appealed it and i'm like oh like you can't
00:44:21.980how long before how long before it hits the supreme court and are they going to grant leave
00:44:28.140that's the next thing 10 of cases how much is it going to cost oh the money that the government
00:44:33.600has spent you know the estimates on tamarini's trial alone was 20 million dollars uh according
00:44:38.440to some lawyers that gave us that 20 million dollars you know and queen ramona who was in
00:44:44.580saskatchewan here had a whole community under lockdown and was threatening police officers
00:44:49.740and parliamentary people uh just got stayed of her charges the other day as well they they did
00:44:54.860a police raid with the squad at her compound it was a you know essentially a cult yesterday
00:45:01.440charges stayed against her this is the priorities of our federal government right now or our crown's
00:45:07.080office throughout the provinces and it's disgusting i so i think back to your point
00:45:11.720first you asked me you said what can you do and i think you actually nailed it and i think
00:45:16.760a lot of people think you have to be an elected official i totally do not think that i think
00:45:23.080look at what both of you did um i also think you know this there's a running joke if you really
00:45:29.880want to get to the minister you go to the staff they're running the ship right so you know i used
00:45:35.320do this thing because everybody would be like oh women in politics blah blah blah i'm like
00:45:38.760you don't have to be the elected official to have stroke like it's the people who are working inside
00:45:45.400so whether it's whether you're running for office or you're volunteering or you're getting involved
00:45:50.280like my biggest message i have to people right now go help someone yeah that's what the world
00:45:55.320means like simply like go out and serve some soup at a soup kitchen go out and shovel your your
00:46:01.000neighbor's driveway go take a casserole to your aunt like hold the door for somebody like go help
00:46:06.680someone and yeah and it's like that's like as simple as it is right now to like try to get
00:46:13.320forward and and it's you know i hate it because they say it and i don't know that they live it
00:46:18.760i'm not a huge like michelle obama fan but it's like when they go high when they go low you go
00:46:23.480high and i think there is something that's said for that it's but it's really really frustrating
00:46:30.120when they are ruining your life yeah like it's really hard not to get blackpilled right now for
00:46:36.440sure or really hard not to get black and it's like oh like it's just and and i and i can't
00:46:45.720tell you like there's so many people in this job that are not good like they're not they're not
00:46:52.600smart they're not good and thankless job though it's a thing it won't attract good people no
00:47:01.320say it i will no that's exactly the problem yeah that's exactly the problem and until we get people
00:47:06.680in there with some integrity and some courage i 100 agree uh it's an easy paycheck for a lot of
00:47:13.480people you don't have like you said in the house of commons you don't even have to write your own
00:47:17.560questions and i mean there was an article that came out i think by the cbc a few weeks ago where
00:47:21.960they have they're paying consultants to teach people how to respond on camera like none of
00:47:28.880these people seem to actually do their jobs as all the other people underneath them like you just said
00:47:33.800that are doing it for them they're almost like a figurehead well and they're and they're guarded
00:47:38.600so like today to go back to yes here on on joe rogan what was so great about it is joe didn't
00:47:45.040have an agenda so it was comfortable to watch because you saw pierre not have a guard up he
00:47:50.220wasn't in an interview with rosemary barton he was talking to a guy and so but as a politician
00:47:56.780everybody's always out to get you and they're always like trying to to demonize you and so
00:48:03.640you become this like guarded like you also become unhuman because they're always trying to get you
00:48:11.280and so it's it's it's not you don't have to be a politician to deal with that i'm afraid
00:48:15.700right right any any sort of public figure right and i think that's very true but pierre showed
00:48:23.840himself if people actually go watch that joe rogan experience show pierre showed himself as a true
00:48:29.380leader willing to try and unite the country when joe when joe asked him about alberta separation
00:48:34.180what was pierre's response it's not going to happen we need somebody in here that can unite
00:48:38.560this country and i agree 100 that is what's lacking you were 100 right when you said that
00:48:43.540earlier leadership has brought us to this position right now people in canada are angry they're
00:48:48.140divided they're hurt they're broke and how do we fix that well i actually think danielle smith is
00:48:56.280doing a really great job because she's doing exactly what justin trudeau didn't do with like
00:49:01.800to me the separation movement is very similar to the convoy like you can look at those two things
00:49:05.860as almost parallel views uh people feel forced their hands feel forced like when i speak to
00:49:12.040Albertans, they're like, I don't want to do this, but there's no other option. We're sick of being
00:49:17.840abused. Right. And, and that is so fair. Like that is such a fair statement. It's like a bad
00:49:24.300marriage, you know, but she's listening. She's like, these town halls are happening. She's going,
00:49:31.780she's engaging, she's hosting this referendum. And I think that's the path to leadership. When
00:49:36.580people are upset the convoy if imagine he had to come out and talk to you yeah imagine just
00:49:43.860listened yeah house arrest right now and having this conversation so i literally in my speech
00:49:51.540like you if you watch it i did this tongue-in-cheek thing where i'm like i googled the top 10 hostage
00:49:58.340techniques and i go down them like it's and it's like everything and i said i googled that and the
00:50:04.820federal government hasn't done any of them and i'm pretty sure they have a lot more resources than
00:50:10.180google right right and yeah no kidding one of the things tell the same thing to everybody
00:50:17.460meet with the people communicate they didn't do any of it none of it no well no because they said
00:50:23.780they didn't know who who the leadership was or who was who were the leaders but it's but they
00:50:28.740still know who to arrest yeah right exactly one of the things we heard the most from is canada from
00:50:34.020Canadians as we crossed across the country was the fact that people wanted
00:50:54.560if we would have done anything different,
00:50:55.880if Justin Trudeau wouldn't have been so harsh,
00:50:57.960called us names and use those tactics,
00:50:59.700like flying the swastika flag on parliament Hill was nobody that I stood
00:51:03.860with in ottawa nobody that tamaris did with in ottawa that was a plant that was somebody from
00:51:08.160within either government or city officials or the police service why was there never an
00:51:12.780investigation into who and where that came from i that is a question that i'll die asking
00:51:18.760well i think you know the answer i mean chris you have to remember that you and me and others have
00:51:25.500been profiled we're on the imve list we have documents and paperwork any money that was ever
00:51:32.920attached to the convoy has been um investigated by every acronym agency in the country and beyond
00:51:40.360so you cannot tell me after all the investigating and the digging around and all the information
00:51:46.940that they dug up about you me and others that they don't know who that guy is and i think brendan
00:51:51.860miller actually brought that up during the poec um if not during the hearings and in a conversation
00:51:57.660after like there's no way they don't know who that guy is they don't care because because knowing who
00:52:02.640that guy is doesn't help them in any way did you follow any of the poac michelle when you were when
00:52:09.000it was happening no i didn't it was a tense experience and i can tell you that personally
00:52:14.540because i've never testified in front of a courtroom in my life and here i was one of the
00:52:18.860first truckers to go up and uh and give my testimony and i how long did you testify for
00:52:24.320oh what was it about three hours something like that yeah i think we each had two hours of uh
00:52:30.100examination in chief and then i was it two hours of cross did you feel like it was fair
00:52:37.140i felt like it was really fair um we actually tamara and i were one of the ones to actually
00:52:41.540get justice through low i got justin justice reload to actually laugh and then he had to
00:52:45.460catch himself it was a cordial conversation and i think it went i think my testimony went really
00:52:50.740well and when we were sitting in the poec listening to all the government officials testify
00:52:55.460we heard repeatedly under the cross-examination that the thresholds were never hit they they
00:53:00.260admitted that under old and to find out justice rouleau was then ruled in the government's favor
00:53:06.500was a little shocking i mean we you've come to expect this in this country now but um it was a
00:53:12.420farce it was honestly a farce to sit and listen to the testimony that went on there and the
00:53:16.660thresholds not met and then still ruled that they were justified is was horrible it was definitely
00:53:24.740another case for me where i i went in i went in still believing michelle even after all i'd been
00:53:30.840through by then i was like okay the evidence is gonna come out i mean chris and i know in our
00:53:35.700hearts anyone that's involved knows in their hearts what really happened i already know yeah
00:53:40.300exactly and and i still went in there believing that the truth was going to come out and that we
00:53:45.820were going to win this and then once the bureaucrats started coming in and the politicians
00:53:50.500and listening to their testimony I realized you know three weeks from the conclusion that it was
00:53:57.700just a dog and pony show and once again like I just felt just completely stabbed in the back
00:54:04.600by my country and by these not my country but by these people that I was taught to look up to
00:54:11.140and respect that were going to always tell the truth and they were going to always have
00:54:15.240the backs of Canadians and they were always going to protect their rights and freedoms
00:54:19.440so it was just like another knife in my back I felt like um and then of course you know and then
00:54:26.200going on into the trial so the same thing like I just this whole thing for me I'm not a bitter
00:54:32.300person or angry person thank goodness because I think I would be pretty miserable by now but I
00:54:37.200mean it's just look when I still haven't had my holy shit moment put it that way I still haven't
00:54:42.460had the opportunity to sit down and just like take in everything that has happened to all of us over
00:54:48.980the last four years and just have that ugly cry or you know because i don't i i'm not ready to do
00:54:55.460that i think until this is concluded for us and i don't even know if that's ever going to happen
00:54:59.300at this point i just i just spent the week with with a farmer you know they contracted me to haul
00:55:04.020this thing and every evening we would sit down in a restaurant we'd have a beer and supper and
00:55:07.860he would ask questions he's really fascinated a huge supporter um less give you a shout out there
00:55:14.260he's probably listening tonight um and then quite often in our conversations he would say
00:55:19.460why are you not angry and bitter with the situation that you're in right now i know it
00:55:24.020is it's gonna it won't it won't help anything you know and nobody needs to see that and then there's
00:55:29.620times in the day when i i'll hide that or i'll keep that i'll throw a hammer across the shop
00:55:33.940floor or something like that it's really hard to fight that fight though because there's been so
00:55:38.580much hit us in the last four years that you know how do you not well i think you need each other
00:55:44.740right more than anything like one of the best sayings i've ever heard from a funeral director
00:55:49.460is grief shared is grief diminished and so i think as you fight this fight and there's going
00:55:55.540to be days like when this appeal comes out again it just like punches you in the gut again it's
00:56:01.300like another it's like it's like a boxing match right and so you take a blow and then you've got
00:56:05.300to give one back and and sometimes you need to take a break and you need to tag a friend in
00:56:10.340and so you need to like do that and i think that's why the community of what you guys have built is
00:56:14.660so valuable and i i deal with this too like not on the level that you guys do but there are days
00:56:20.100when i'm like what am i doing like this is stupid i don't care like what am i putting my neck out
00:56:25.380there for to say things that people just think like i'll tell you an example today i shared a
00:56:30.180video of a woman sharing a story of being offered maid at a vancouver hospital she went in she was
00:56:36.100not feeling well and uh they the first thing they asked her is do you want made she's like what no
00:56:42.740and so she anyway ended up having this full recovery people like friends and like well
00:56:47.700i thought they were friends are like why are you posting an ai video and i'm like it's not ai ai
00:56:53.700it's real and so i mean it does beat you down right because you know you're you're right and
00:57:00.400you're telling the truth but i think i think one of the real revelations i've had in my journey and
00:57:07.060as i age is i remember i was driving to ottawa and i had this kind of like thought to myself
00:57:14.820i was thinking about how toxic politics is and how brutal it is and i have this saying you know
00:57:20.720you don't do politics politics will do you it literally controls every aspect of your life so
00:57:25.600you can't really escape it and how dysfunctional it is and i said michelle have you ever worked
00:57:32.240in a place that was functional and i was like no like true and it's like why because humans aren't
00:57:42.560functional we are dysfunctional and so to your point tamara of having that holy shit moment or
00:57:49.260waiting back to your point of like we're just human so are politicians and they're flawed
00:57:55.120just like everyone else they have maybe they have confidence issues they have insecurity issues
00:58:02.280they need to fit into a tribe they're they it's the same thing as a small child as when you're an
00:58:08.720adult but they're in charge of the country like i remember sitting at the table being like
00:58:13.880how did you get here like how i'm kidding right i think that about so many of them but you know
00:58:22.860what we are so lucky and it is politicians like you um andrew lawton matt strouse um david
00:58:28.880you know um aaron gunn there's some there's too many to name i do have hope because i do believe
00:58:35.960that these guys have gone into this with the right motivations they're not just there for a pension
00:58:41.080and a paycheck right and an easy job and so i mean it is politicians you know like you that give us
00:58:46.920hope and i just want to say you know thank you to you and others like you like my own mp glenn
00:58:53.080mott so i know that there was people during the convoy that were working behind the scenes to try
00:58:57.080to help facilitate a meeting or some conversations and he was literally marco to bend a knee he truly
00:59:03.960was he was trying his damnedest and he's a smart guy glenn montz yeah yeah he is erin o'toole was
00:59:11.080literally our first victim of but it was the wrong leader that probably should have fallen at that
00:59:16.200time yeah and your thoughts on that i mean like we come in there and all of a sudden you guys had an
00:59:22.920uproar within the conservative party i would imagine before we even got there and we're kind
00:59:27.160of looking for an excuse from what i understand from the people that i know internally and that
00:59:32.040that was part of the opportunity to bring that right well listen i came in pretty fresh-faced
00:59:38.360and naive and so there's a lot of history pre me getting elected with aaron and the caucus and i
00:59:44.820don't really know that and you know i had personal relationships with aaron because his dad was from
00:59:50.240my riding and all of this but i remember very specifically saying when the convoy rolled into
00:59:56.720town and aaron went up and he's doing a press conference about i don't even remember what it
01:00:00.780about oil or something we didn't address the convoy and the reporter goes like what do you
01:00:08.220think about the convoy and i can't remember what he said but i was like like because me i'm comms
01:00:15.420right like i like my brain always thinks and i'm like that what what are we doing what are we doing
01:00:23.180we need to address the largest convoy in the world in ottawa like what yeah and this isn't happening
01:00:29.580and so it's happening right out front of your doors yeah and i think uh you know i don't know
01:00:38.700that i don't know why or how like there's lots of decisions that are made and a lot of decisions in
01:00:43.980in politics are made out of fear exactly like what i said to you before like you're constantly under
01:00:48.700attack and maybe it'll disappear and i'm like oh i think this one's disappearing like they're
01:00:53.500they're there and and you know it was it was but i but in his defense or whatever you want to call
01:01:02.140it like i did this little post and i was on the front page of my local paper as like a lunatic
01:01:07.900because i was saying the convoy brought me hope well i still they still brought that up in the
01:01:12.780last election like i'm a horrible person and i should be right you know tarred and feathered
01:01:17.660and hung up out in the sidewalk like so but you know nobody it is hard and because you know people
01:01:24.440that make those comments but like I mean we we sat through this whole trial and that's one of
01:01:29.640the things that you touched on in that clip I showed from our interview at the convention
01:01:32.800nobody ever said why I think actually the judge maybe one time brought up the reason that we went
01:01:39.020to Ottawa you know but they try to make me and Chris sound like these monsters and that this was
01:01:43.880It's just like even Stephen McKinnon, even Stephen McKinnon, when he got up in the House of Commons and addressed Andrew Lawton's talk about the appeal, called it an occupation.
01:01:55.200But also what I noted in this was he's going off about how terrible it was.
01:01:58.700It was basically it was an occupation.
01:02:01.100It was terrible people and it was unbelievably annoying.
01:02:03.660Well, when did unbelievably annoying become a reason to invoke the Emergencies Act?
01:02:08.860Especially when Andrew Lawton was one of the ones participating in.
01:02:12.340you know he was with us there he's like a result of somebody getting involved in politics and
01:02:17.800trying to change from within well you know what else is annoying losing your job because you
01:02:22.440refuse to participate in something you don't believe in um not being able to kiss your mother
01:02:27.960goodbye when she's dying in the hospital that's that's annoying and rather inconvenient um you
01:02:33.960know losing your job losing your home watching your family break apart that's a that's a it's
01:02:39.660annoying you know i guess back to your point michelle earlier about having you know that
01:02:45.140that connection or having somebody surrounding you supportive i was going to mention when i'm
01:02:49.740out trucking in big red the amount of people uh less this week he was calling me taylor swift
01:02:54.500because just everywhere we stopped whether you guys look the same you guys look the same oh yeah
01:02:59.400yeah exactly maybe a little less hair but uh everywhere we stopped people were coming up for
01:03:05.060a photo and shaking hands and and wanting to tell their story about the hardship they went through
01:03:09.320during and how we we give them hope and so i see that every day out here tamara sees it out here
01:03:14.760every day as soon as we're out in public anywhere we get we get that notoriety so i can't be more
01:03:19.960thankful for the amount of conversations i have with people i wish i wish i had more time to do
01:03:23.880that why what's the matter what are you on house arrest yeah no the word we're busier under house
01:03:31.320arrest than we were before even with trial listen you guys have to lean into what's happened to you
01:03:38.280And I think you've done it really brilliantly. And I think, um, I think, you know, you're in
01:03:43.880the history books. I'll never forget that. I used to, you know, phone my parents when I would drive
01:03:47.340home every week. Right. Um, you know, no matter how old you are, you're still a baby to your
01:03:52.180parents and my, you know, every week and every day, like, I don't know what they did after I
01:03:57.680lost the election. Cause I'm like, there goes your whole life's plans. But I remember phoning them
01:04:02.520home and I phoning them when I was driving home and, you know, they're asking me all these
01:04:06.220questions and i was like it's like literally walking in a history book you just know like i
01:04:11.260remember walking through that convoy being like this is wild like i am part of history and you
01:04:17.820guys were the creators of that you know like you really are the the gladiators of our time
01:04:24.220of standing up for the people and i'll never forget this quote a young jewish student came
01:04:29.460into my office and we were talking about anti-semitism and all this stuff and i said
01:04:34.680what about like what do you want me to do like who am i and he said the power of the podium
01:04:41.580is a great responsibility and um that really stuck with me and you guys are doing that still right
01:04:48.240you have a lot of people that have never healed you know i go back to bob and i think you guys
01:04:53.440are really giving that voice and justice that they're never going to get from the mouths of
01:04:59.820steve mckinnon they're never going to get that and so you guys bring that for them and it's it's
01:05:04.440really really valuable and i'm i'm thankful for you guys thank you well thank you i reached out
01:05:10.120to bob and i actually asked bob if he would be willing to come on we do a vaccine injury you know
01:05:15.480host once a month and unfortunately bob's voice is so bad because the als said he won't be able
01:05:21.640to give a um an interview so i have his number right now i think though yes bob you said and his
01:05:28.600beautiful wife sharon and then their lovely son rob and his wife jody own big sky barbecue and
01:05:35.720okotoks so yeah yeah but no yeah the best we finally got it out there and it's like
01:05:44.120just everything alberta like i just love it yes isn't it i believe i've actually been there
01:05:50.760it's good stuff it's nice i'll google that actually because i i think i did i did have a
01:05:56.840a steak cookout one day in okotoks so it's affected so many people out there and the
01:06:03.060amount of messages I get from you know I talk regularly with Kevin Street and Steve
01:06:07.400these people are hurt and and the government is unaccountable yet to this
01:06:12.080day and unwilling to answer any questions or at least have any assistance
01:06:15.560in the programs that they put out the this program has been a flop it's been
01:06:18.920a waste of money and resources and 2.0 basically yeah yeah we admit that it's
01:06:26.300causes injury by having the program we admit that it did something but when and
01:06:31.940if you go to access it there's nothing there thank you yeah thanks for
01:06:37.020participating in the biggest psyopsis world's ever experienced you know
01:06:41.120COVID was real and people were damaged from COVID I understand that but two
01:06:45.440weeks to flatten the curb two years later somebody had to stand up we you
01:06:49.520know I remember telling the story we went through some of the harshest you
01:06:54.620You know, situations for over-the-road truckers out here being isolated in the cab of the truck.
01:07:01.460We were standing in drive-through lineups with passenger cars trying to get a cup of coffee in the morning because how dare you go into the building.
01:07:08.300Even when masks were available as well.
01:07:21.360I crossed the border into North Dakota, and I could enter a restaurant without showing a piece of paper saying that I was good enough to enter that establishment.
01:07:30.120I didn't have to wear a mask anywhere in the state.
01:07:32.920I seen the differences, and it really pissed me off.
01:07:35.960Every time I came back to Canada, and then I had to show an app on my phone to get back into my own country, as well as the passport that the government issued, the ludicracy in this country just kept getting worse.
01:07:45.580and i we waited for law enforcement we waited for health professionals somebody to say enough okay
01:07:51.020this has to stop we want our lives back and it didn't seem like it was happening it didn't happen
01:07:56.940the whole country is traumatized and our kids are traumatized you know we just came up to that six
01:08:01.100year anniversary because i always remember it because my daughter's birthday is march 12th and
01:08:04.620it was march 13th right so we're rolling out for sushi dinner and then the next day it was like
01:08:08.940the world shut down like we still can't even talk about it because it's like traumatizing
01:08:15.180like you're you're like this and then you when you start to talk about it you're like are we
01:08:19.740so stupid like why did we do that and then it's just it's just it just gets you all like in a
01:08:27.180frenzy and then like what did we do to these babies that had no human contact or they had
01:08:32.220to talk to people with masks and like what did we do to the old people who were like
01:08:37.820i like it's like i don't want to get to go to school the lack of education i can't it's just
01:08:43.500so it's just so well and i mean i guess that's one of the the most frustrating things about the
01:08:49.420government that continually continually trying to take this and win through the courts i mean
01:08:54.700all canadians really want i feel is maybe um some accountability and some justice because we can't
01:09:01.100move on like you said we can't move on and heal until we see somebody held accountable for these
01:09:05.420decisions that were made i mean it's impossible it's really really hard it's really really hard
01:09:13.980for people to move forward and it's like even if they would just acknowledge and say okay we won't
01:09:19.020do that again sorry and i know that sorry doesn't fix it but it would be an acknowledgement that
01:09:25.900they actually care and you know i even often thought a lot about that during the convoy
01:09:29.900and following about Trudeau like I mean I have no love lost for that man whatsoever
01:09:35.980but I often thought you know if he would have come out even regarding the pandemic and just
01:09:42.360said you know what we made some mistakes perhaps you know we're going to take some time and look
01:09:47.100at this but they wouldn't even do that like they couldn't even just say you know we're going to
01:09:51.500take a moment of reflection and see because they will never admit that they made a mistake
01:09:55.180they will never admit that they're wrong they're never going to admit that they hurt people
01:09:59.720and so i mean and it's evidenced by this decision now to try and get take this all the way to the
01:10:05.260supreme court yeah yeah so does this change with it with a government change you know if we have
01:10:12.220some reflection and we have an election and there's a change of government in this country
01:10:15.900do you think you know reparations i don't even like using that word because of how they've used
01:10:22.000it in the past but reparations will take play not financial reparations but some acknowledgement
01:10:26.660that things went wrong i think it's totally possible i've seen you know i've seen governments
01:10:31.840apologize for things that happened decades hundreds of years ago yeah so um yeah i think
01:10:38.920it's possible i think it's just like you know i don't want to make a comparison because people
01:10:43.720will clip it and go absolutely bananas if i say it out loud but you know what i'm saying and that
01:10:51.220I've seen, you know, an element of, of truth have to come out. Right. And, uh, and, and then
01:11:00.480have to take accountability for it. So I absolutely think that's possible. I absolutely do. And I
01:11:05.260think, I think a good leader would actually do it because I think it's, you have to heal this
01:11:11.420country. Like I'll never forget Raquel Dancho did a speech one night in the emergencies act. It was
01:11:15.600like Raquel was always like great and all already wonderful, but she, it was like, I think it was
01:11:20.440like one of the first times where she like put her notes and like she threw them away and she
01:11:23.720just like went and she talked about trauma and how traumatizing this government is and what they did
01:11:31.100and the overreach and the mandates and the division that they have caused. And it was such a powerful
01:11:37.080speech because it really is the word to describe what happened to us. And I think to your point,
01:11:47.360chris i think one day you will have to have a government say yeah that was uh that was really
01:11:55.660bad sorry about that they've doubled down we've lived the last you know our trial was two years
01:12:02.020in length for mischief and 60 days in court and you know a third of a year was gone traveling
01:12:07.220back and forth for dates here and that was a lot for for us to try and you know a lot for our
01:12:12.820families too because our families were the ones that had to endure that my parents had to you
01:12:17.080watch their son on the media going into the courtroom every morning being humanized and
01:12:21.480you know but then meanwhile come down here and look after my horn of my horses and my dogs and
01:12:25.160make sure my well was working and the sewer was working properly and it's been a lot on the family
01:12:30.440but i think in the in the long sense they picked the wrong two people to pick on because tamara
01:12:35.640and i are both very strong stubborn ass canadians and uh we're we're not easy to break not and we're
01:12:42.440nice people like we're just nice what i thought at all like i thought it was like oh everybody's
01:12:51.160crazy nope no nobody's crazy and that's that's the other tactic that they use right and they
01:12:57.240still use it today like they make you feel like you're crazy for just wanting something like
01:13:01.960i don't know how about we stop funding drugs and stop putting them in vending machines
01:13:07.080i i don't know it doesn't seem that crazy to me how about we put people who murder people
01:13:12.280um in prison i don't know that seems pretty cool normal how about we be able to afford our groceries
01:13:19.080i don't know i didn't think i was that radical like and so i think they it's just wild how they
01:13:25.640do that it's dismissal it's a dismissal tactic oh it's terrible i think it was this fall wasn't
01:13:31.640it this fall um i was in calgary at a week conference we we unify conference hanging out
01:13:36.200with some amazing people michelle was a keynote speaker there and i got to listen to your speech
01:13:40.680and i thought you know i've watched this girl on on you know tv and social media so much i would
01:13:46.120really like to just say hi and introduce myself does she think i'm you know a horrible person and
01:13:51.240i walked out the doors to visit some other people and you were sitting at a table so i just you know
01:13:55.480a leap of faith and just said hi michelle my name is chris barber and i was a you knew who i was
01:14:00.200obviously and we had an amazing conversation and i'm thankful for that connection because it's been
01:14:04.920you know there's been so many people over the last number of years i've been fortunate enough
01:14:08.200to meet and yeah and after watching you being so outspoken in the house of commons i've always
01:14:12.600looked up to you in that you've got a mouth on you and you've got a fire and that's what the
01:14:16.760world needs more of listen i used to get in trouble for talking too much now i get paid to
01:14:21.560talk too much so never mind okay that's hilarious well i'll tell you this story i don't know when
01:14:28.760when you guys have to get off but i tell this story all the time to kids especially i never
01:14:33.080got to go to the house of commons we were supposed to go in like grade seven i lived like three hours
01:14:36.920away so it was like your uh grade eight trip but i wouldn't i never went to grade eight i skipped
01:14:41.160grade eight but when i was in grade seven i i was in a grade eight class so i was supposed to go on
01:14:45.560this class trip and we were supposed to go to the house of commons i'd never been well i got in
01:14:50.440trouble i got in trouble because i was talking too much and the teacher took it away and i never got
01:14:54.520to go so when i got elected was the very first time that i ever walked into the house of commons
01:15:03.080And I remember saying, I, I, you know, I didn't get to go to the house of commons cause I talked
01:15:10.100too much. And then I got to go to the house of commons cause I talked too much. So embrace what
01:15:16.880your kids are and, uh, and, and lean into it and, and with everything like that. But I'll tell you,
01:15:22.180my mom, you know, you've got a good ally or you're on the right side of history. My mom is a pretty,
01:15:27.580uh just pretty centrist more liberal leaning type of woman and she's like what they've done to that
01:15:34.220poor woman tamara that's terrible you know oh i'm like screw chris but yeah poor tamara
01:15:43.020well you know it was so funny because like chris was just saying you really said like
01:15:47.740what they did to those two people is that's terrible what they did and i said yeah when
01:15:52.060you compare it to how they treat real criminals it's it's really terrible what they've done
01:15:57.580Well, I'm not like Chris, I have a hard time like walking up to people, especially like members of parliament, even at the convention, because I'm I'm worried maybe they don't like me or maybe they believe some of these lies or, you know, I don't want to have their I don't want to have my picture with them posted or have it be posted because I don't want to get them in trouble because there is definitely a stigma attached to us, which I understand anyways.
01:16:22.200but it was really funny um I was at an event in Calgary um two summers ago and I met uh Pierre
01:16:31.680Polyev's lovely mother and I was absolutely shocked because I'm standing in this crowd you
01:16:37.380know talking to people and someone comes and taps me on the shoulder and they said Pierre Polyev's
01:16:43.020mom wants to meet you and I almost fell over like I was just like I was like I didn't even think
01:16:49.320she'd want to have you know what i mean like i mean the stigma there's so much stigma around it
01:16:53.640sometimes anyway so i went over um she gave me the biggest hug and i just sat and chatted with
01:17:00.080her for a few minutes and just a lovely person so i mean there is so much the support out there
01:17:06.400comes in places where you don't even imagine sometimes and almost always there's a common
01:17:12.020thread and that's again like to loop it back to to joe rogan why i think joe rogan has been
01:17:17.300so successful and why he has the number one podcast in the world is because he doesn't go
01:17:22.620for sensationalism or clip he does these long-form interviews to really show who the person is and
01:17:29.000when you're watching it you're like oh they're just a person and much to your point tamara what
01:17:34.960you just said about i don't want to go to them i'm afraid that's how everybody feels
01:17:38.760my you know my 16 year old son was supposed to meet this young girl and he goes i'm super nervous
01:17:43.960I'm super nervous and I said so is she yeah whatever so is she and so it's I remember like
01:17:52.060when you walk into a room and you think that like I think that often too Tamara very similar to what
01:17:57.100you just said I'm like I don't want to people like I have this big personality or this like
01:18:01.260polarizing thing like either you love me or you hate me and like so I don't want to put people
01:18:06.320into a position where they want to like I'm like I I'm like oh I don't know like I don't know if
01:18:10.800want to see with me i don't i don't know and everybody feels like that and so then you know
01:18:15.200you know and it's it's uh it's really interesting because humans are are very similar right well
01:18:22.880it's like you said earlier you know um we're all human beings paul and you know before this
01:18:28.080experience michelle i was still one of those people i would go on social media and you know
01:18:32.720i've never i don't think i've ever considered myself to be disrespectful but i would say
01:18:36.640make remarks about politicians or you know like i i i can i'll just say the conspiracy theory holes
01:18:43.680right yeah or whatever but you know one thing that i've learned is that you know a lot like 10
01:18:48.480percent of what you hear is actually the truth or what they're really like you know what i mean so
01:18:54.320this experience for me has also helped me to be much less judgmental um and just flippant and
01:19:01.680especially how you know things i make on social media you're leading with empathy yeah because
01:19:07.100you've experienced it right yeah and you know what you don't know what you don't know yeah right
01:19:13.920people don't know what they don't know and i was watching uh love story the jfk jr and carolyn
01:19:20.260beset story and there's this there's this scene in the show and she's at the restaurant the daughter
01:19:25.340is you need to phone grandma like she's reading all this stuff in the paper that you're a drug
01:19:29.180addict and all this stuff and she goes she doesn't understand that people can just say whatever they
01:19:33.500want and i was like wow it's still true today right so and so you get vilified right do you
01:19:40.380know what happens when you do nothing nothing do you know what happens when you do something something
01:19:44.620and when you do nothing you don't get in any trouble 100 that's true we've been in a lot of
01:19:51.420trouble yeah you're doing something that's true flying over the target you're running around right
01:19:58.180now doing the hope tour right with a bunch of other people do you want to talk about that at
01:20:01.540all yes we did um we did one we did a pilot project in um vaughn is that where we were yeah
01:20:08.640we were in vaughn and it was great um i am you know in between so many jobs right now of advising
01:20:16.000and media training and doing all this kind of stuff with folks and so i haven't picked it back
01:20:20.720up yet. Um, but there's a lot of interest and I think people really want it. So, um, I'm hoping
01:20:27.660to do something in the next few months to bring it back. It was obviously there's a huge appetite
01:20:32.480for it. It was a great forum. We brought together a bunch of people in a room and we talked about
01:20:36.860what can we actually do, right? Like this question, what do you actually do? How do you
01:20:42.700actually move the needle when they, you know, what is the point? Like the number one thing I
01:20:47.020would hear at the door was why do I even bother what does my vote matter and then when they cross
01:20:51.440the floor like you're really like what does it even matter all right exactly like so you know
01:20:58.020I think it I think hope is I've always said this hope is the glue that allows you to go on when
01:21:02.780you think you can't and um I think it's a very powerful tour a very powerful emotion so um I
01:21:09.880just uh I want it I like things like big and amazing and so I have lots of ideas for it so
01:21:15.380but i'd like to come out here to chris's to chris's barn is where i'd like to come to his
01:21:19.980garage we could open the shop up being the centerpiece you know maybe pick it in the
01:21:24.480summertime so is it because my shop's kind of cool in the winter time but we can make something
01:21:28.260i'll bring the band i would love it we could have a party it could be like that's what we need
01:21:38.300yes you know when people say to me what would you do if you had to fix the world like whatever i'm
01:21:42.900like this is what i would do 30 days because it takes 28 days to rewire your brain 30 days no
01:21:48.880social media none complete blackout you have no phone you have nothing you have a you have an
01:21:53.460analog like landline you have to pick up and phone call people you have to go to your local
01:21:57.740community center you have to bring a casserole or some kind of dish you have to have music and
01:22:03.060people have to talk to each other and dance i love it 30 days that's cool you know and that was kind
01:22:10.300a convoy in a nutshell as well too we had it was somebody mentioned in the second it stuck with me
01:22:16.460it was like canada day on steroids and it was it was a some aspects it was a party for us it wasn't
01:22:24.060necessarily a party um but it accomplished a lot and it made a lot of people grow and we we blew
01:22:29.960like you said earlier we blew a lot of stereotypes away you know the east versus west and the you
01:22:34.680So Tamara and I get to ask this question quite a bit.