Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Christian Patriotism and The Truth About the MS-13 Prison in Venezuela

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:00:39.680 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

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00:00:49.380 Christ is here.

00:00:50.360 President Donald Trump set to meet with the president of South Africa next week after those controversial claims that white farmers in South Africa are being targeted for genocide.

00:00:58.260 The Supreme Court hearing arguments today on President Trump's executive order limiting birthright citizenship.

00:01:04.380 The White House is asking the justices to block lower court judges from blocking the president's actions nationwide

00:01:10.280 and limit court rulings only to the people and groups involved in the lawsuit that challenges the president's executive orders.

00:01:17.160 House Republicans are advancing a sweeping budget plan, calling it a win for conservative priorities.

00:01:23.260 This will be one of the most consequential pieces of legislation ever passed by the United States Congress.

00:01:28.180 House Speaker Mike Johnson says the bill includes no taxes on tips, overtime, or social security.

00:01:34.740 U.S. wholesale prices dropped unexpectedly last month for the first time in more than a year.

00:01:39.520 The producer price index, which tracks inflation before it hits consumers, fell 0.5% from March to April.

00:01:46.040 And that's despite President Trump's tariffs.

00:01:47.920 What we see here is U.S. President Donald Trump touching down in the UAE capital of Abu Dhabi just a short time ago.

00:01:55.720 The focus of his trip here is, of course, going to be continuing the run that we have seen when it comes to deal flow and diplomacy

00:02:02.620 as he continues to build out the U.S. economic and foreign policy relationships in this part of the world.

00:02:09.620 Look, nothing's going to happen until Putin and I get together, OK?

00:02:13.300 And obviously, he wasn't going to go. He was going to go, but he thought I was going to go.

00:02:17.780 He wasn't going if I wasn't there.

00:02:19.660 And I don't believe anything's going to happen, whether you like it or not, until he and I get together.

00:02:24.700 But we're going to have to get it solved because too many people are dying.

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00:02:33.540 Today is May 15th, 2025.

00:02:35.800 Anno Domini.

00:02:37.440 So birthright citizenship, birthright citizenship up at the Supreme Court today.

00:02:43.640 President Trump posting an incredible truth about this that I've just got to read.

00:02:49.520 I'm not going to read the entire thing.

00:02:50.660 But he says, big case today in the United States Supreme Court.

00:02:54.340 Birthright citizenship was not meant for people taking vacations to become permanent citizens of the United States of America

00:02:59.640 and bringing their families with them all the time, laughing at the suckers that we are.

00:03:04.380 The United States of America is the only country in the world that does this.

00:03:07.340 For what reason?

00:03:08.100 Nobody knows.

00:03:09.040 But the drug cartels, of course, love it.

00:03:11.580 We are, for the sake of being politically correct, a stupid country.

00:03:15.000 But in actuality, this is the exact opposite of being politically correct.

00:03:18.720 And yet it is another point that leads us to the dysfunction of America.

00:03:22.060 Birthright citizenship is about the babies of slaves. 0.98

00:03:24.540 As conclusive proof, the Civil War ended in 1865.

00:03:27.720 The bill went to Congress a year later.

00:03:29.660 So what President Trump is talking about is correct, that birthright citizenship was meant, and the amendment, it was certainly enshrined for the children of slaves.

00:03:39.420 Also, the idea of birthright citizenship is something that only exists really in the New World, partially because, or almost completely because, it was a way to encourage immigration.

00:03:51.500 So the encouraging of immigration, which was something that, of course, was the policy of the United States early on, when we were only 13 colonies, when we were still a continent surrounded by empires, in a world controlled by empires, a world that is going back to empires, by the way.

00:04:06.080 And this, so you'll see this in the Americas, North America, South America, but what he's talking about here is very important because these amendments were written for the children of slaves.

00:04:15.940 They were written post-Civil War.

00:04:17.360 This is very well known.

00:04:19.000 But here's something kind of interesting, something kind of interesting that I'd love to throw out there.

00:04:24.520 Here's a free tip for anyone out there.

00:04:27.300 Whenever this conversation comes up and you're in there with a liberal, or if anyone's going up on Piers Morgan, maybe if Piers has me on about this, I can try it again in person, go to the next liberal that you find, who's talking about birthright citizenship, and ask them, does that include the white refugees from South Africa?

00:04:45.660 If the white refugees from South Africa come to the United States and have children, should those children become automatic citizens? 0.59

00:04:55.520 And you watch what happens to the liberals when it's a white person who is a real refugee, because if those children were born on a farm in South Africa, they would probably end up getting decapitated and hung from meat hooks, because that's what's going on on the farms out there to young white children that the media doesn't care about, and in many cases, supports.

00:05:20.900 We'll be right back.

00:05:25.520 And what America first truly means.

00:05:28.180 Welcome to the second American revolution.

00:05:34.520 All right, this is Jack Posobiec.

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00:06:47.660 I wanted to bring Dr. Taylor Marshall here back on the program because this new book that he has putting out, and some of these ideas are actually very important and I think directly tie into the issues that we've been talking about here on the show for quite some time.

00:07:05.700 This is Christian Patriot, and Dr. Taylor Marshall joins us now.

00:07:09.580 Dr. Marshall, how are you?

00:07:11.460 I'm doing well.

00:07:12.320 I'm doing great, and, you know, it's an important time right now because, you know, we're looking at what does it mean to be conservative and what is the foundation of our government, and a lot of people know this.

00:07:21.760 A lot of people don't know it.

00:07:22.580 The Declaration of Independence mentions God four times, mentions natural law.

00:07:28.040 I mean, it bases our entire government on God.

00:07:31.720 It quotes scripture.

00:07:33.340 It refers to natural law.

00:07:34.980 And if we don't recognize that, our nation cannot stand.

00:07:41.480 It cannot improve.

00:07:42.540 It cannot be true to its origin.

00:07:44.580 And so we have to return to that.

00:07:46.200 And I think as Christians, we also need to maybe dig even deeper and look at what Christians have done in the history of Christianity for 2,000 years with government and honoring God, honoring Christ, honoring the Ten Commandments, honoring natural law.

00:07:58.940 And so this book, Christian Patriot, is a study of the theology of Christian government, but also gives 12 strategies, 12 ways to create one nation under God.

00:08:12.180 And I think we need that right now.

00:08:13.500 We need a game plan.

00:08:14.480 Well, what's incredible about this, too, is so Joshua Lisek and myself, we write this communism book last year, becomes a huge bestseller.

00:08:24.180 And we specifically talked about the tactics that are used to destabilize countries, to destroy countries, to take over countries, and then eventually allow for these revolutionary movements to take over.

00:08:37.620 And we did case studies of the various communist revolutions throughout history, by the way, South Africa being one of them.

00:08:46.340 Communists took over the country, and we see what's happening now, the killing of white families and white children all over the farmlands there.

00:08:54.180 It's absolutely horrific.

00:08:55.100 And then when Trump says he's going to help these people, that they come in and say, oh, we can't help them.

00:08:59.600 They don't count for some reason.

00:09:00.780 Well, that's communism.

00:09:01.600 That's because of Marxism.

00:09:02.740 And even there was this guy on MSNBC, not to be late for the point, but he was even saying that he actually said at one point, a former Obama administration, State Department official said, even if these Afrikaners didn't personally take part in anything that happened in South Africa's past, they should still be punished anyway. 1.00

00:09:25.320 So this has been, this is the situation we're in now, folks.

00:09:29.540 This is the situation we're in with the government that we currently live under, or at least prior to the Trump administration coming in.

00:09:35.820 This is where our institutions were.

00:09:37.840 This was the revolutionary capture that existed.

00:09:40.020 And pardon me, that got me there, that these Marxist structures that have taken over completely can only be crushed by a people and only responded to by people that are united and people who have a central animating spirit.

00:09:59.900 The left have one.

00:10:00.860 And so we didn't talk about religion in that sense, but what I think has been done here is that this book, Christian Patriot, has come up with a framework giving people the ability to understand the root sources of where our government actually comes from and how to pick up the pieces from where we are now and rebuild.

00:10:23.020 Yeah, I mean, your book, Unhumans, definitely, you know, touches over and over in history, the problem.

00:10:30.600 And in Christian Patriot, what you call Unhumans, I'm calling the new secular religion, NSR. 0.94

00:10:37.440 And they claim they're not a religion.

00:10:39.520 They say, oh, no, we're not a religion, right?

00:10:41.460 But when you look at them, they have their own inquisition.

00:10:43.960 They have their own form of excommunication, which is cancellation.

00:10:47.100 They have their own tribalism.

00:10:48.360 They have their own clergy.

00:10:49.420 They have their own holidays.

00:10:50.920 They have their own parades.

00:10:53.020 They have every single feature of a religion, and yet they hide behind the claim, oh, we're not a religion.

00:10:59.320 And what happened, I think, after World War II is, you know, the greatest generation, the boomer generation, they thought, you know, we can't have strong convictions because then war is going to happen. 0.62

00:11:10.220 Bad things are going to happen.

00:11:11.600 And there was this sort of deal with the devil, I think, in the 1950s where Christians were told, hey, we want to have peace.

00:11:18.220 And that moved into the 60s.

00:11:19.300 We need peace.

00:11:20.160 And in order for there to be peace, we need all of you Christians to privatize your religion. 1.00

00:11:25.940 Hide it away.

00:11:26.780 Don't talk about it.

00:11:27.920 Don't bring it out to the public.

00:11:29.580 Don't put it up on buildings.

00:11:30.960 Don't have parades.

00:11:32.280 Don't have Easter processions.

00:11:34.640 Hide it away, and we'll all be at peace.

00:11:36.940 And what happened is that created a giant vacuum in the American culture, and that vacuum was filled very quickly in the 1960s by a new secular religion, which is unhuman. 0.70

00:11:49.620 And they claim they're not a religion, but they have climbed the heights of our institutions, government, universities, school boards, you name it.

00:11:59.800 They're in charge, and they are enforcing their dogma.

00:12:03.740 The proper word here is dogma.

00:12:05.860 It's an unhuman dogma.

00:12:08.560 And so what we need to do is identify their religion, but we also have to say, you know, we are a Christian nation.

00:12:15.340 You know, when people say, well, Israel has Jewish culture, everyone's fine with that. 0.98

00:12:19.220 You say, Saudi Arabia has Muslim culture.

00:12:21.720 That's great.

00:12:22.580 But if you say, well, we need Christian culture, suddenly everyone's all upset with you and saying, well, you can't have that. 0.91

00:12:27.460 You can't have Christian culture. 1.00

00:12:29.860 And I think the time has come when we say, no, we are a Christian nation.

00:12:33.680 We have a Christian heritage, a Christian patrimony, and we are going to stand for it.

00:12:38.560 We are going to fight for it.

00:12:40.300 That's how we conserve the nation.

00:12:44.180 And here's what's amazing, though, is, you know, I've started to see this.

00:12:48.620 I know you've seen it as well, that when you start coming out there, and I talked about this during the campaign last year,

00:12:55.140 and I said, we need to stop being passive Christians.

00:12:59.020 We need to become active Christians.

00:13:01.520 And I, of course, used your great phrase, the great slogan, take up space.

00:13:05.900 Just go out there and take up space as Christians in the public square.

00:13:11.340 And so to all the FBI investigators watching this, it was Taylor Marshall's idea.

00:13:17.600 But, you know, this, and then these people come up, though, and we've got a break coming up in a minute here.

00:13:23.780 But, you know, we would say things, and it's in the intro of the show, it has been for years,

00:13:27.920 where they would take phrases like us saying Christ is king, and they would turn around and say that,

00:13:32.820 wait a minute, you guys are extremist.

00:13:35.220 You guys are crazy.

00:13:36.760 You guys are nuts.

00:13:37.740 And I said, well, I mean, are we extreme in our religious beliefs?

00:13:42.840 Yes, because we actually believe that it's true.

00:13:47.000 But, Dr. Marshall, this, and we've got a minute to the break,

00:13:50.420 this represents a threat to the new secular religion, doesn't it?

00:13:54.740 Yeah, and people say America is a post-Christian society.

00:13:57.420 I don't agree with that.

00:13:58.400 Or else the new secular religion would not be coming so hard at us. 0.92

00:14:02.660 The fact that they are bringing their dogma, their inquisition against us,

00:14:07.340 for something as innocent as us just saying Christ is king, Christ is the son of God,

00:14:12.220 Christ is my savior, for them wanting you to be fired, to lose your income,

00:14:16.400 to be canceled on social media, that reveals that we're not post-Christian.

00:14:20.900 We are still Christian.

00:14:22.040 They are fighting tooth and nail to bring us down.

00:14:25.260 I still think we have the upper hand.

00:14:26.760 I still think we have time.

00:14:28.060 And I think we're in a moment right now where we can proclaim Christ is king.

00:14:33.320 And we can see that taking up space.

00:14:35.120 Like you said, Poland does it. 1.00

00:14:37.420 Hungary does it.

00:14:38.560 Other nations are doing it.

00:14:40.160 We can do it.

00:14:42.340 That's exactly right.

00:14:43.380 Romania as well, where George Simeon is 20 points up in the polls,

00:14:49.100 and he's walking around everywhere saying Romania is a Christian nation

00:14:52.280 and will remain a Christian nation.

00:14:55.140 And, folks, it's time to start being active about your religious beliefs once more.

00:15:02.720 Jack Posobiec.

00:15:03.660 You're listening to myself and Dr. Taylor Marshall.

00:15:05.680 The book is Christian Patriot.

00:15:07.220 Quick break.

00:15:07.740 Right back.

00:15:13.540 Today, you know, they talk about influences.

00:15:16.140 These are influences.

00:15:17.100 And they're friends of mine, Jack Posobiec.

00:15:21.880 Where's Jack?

00:15:22.860 Jack.

00:15:23.940 He's done a great job.

00:15:26.060 All right, Jack Posobiec.

00:15:29.180 Here we are back live.

00:15:30.140 Human events daily.

00:15:31.060 We're on with Dr. Taylor Marshall.

00:15:32.720 So, Dr. Marshall, your book, Christian Patriot, and we're live,

00:15:36.260 Real America's Voice, Salem Radio Network.

00:15:38.320 This has come out, and you're advocating for, by the way, it's radical in the sense that it's a change of,

00:15:47.040 it's radical to the powers that be.

00:15:49.740 It's radical to the new secular religion, the unhuman ideology that's taken over, 0.99

00:15:56.600 this godless atheist ideology that's taken over our institutions. 1.00

00:16:00.640 But for Christians, it's really just taking one more step.

00:16:03.560 That's what I always say to Christians, just taking one more step. 1.00

00:16:05.340 When I say be an active Christian, that means be Christian in everything that you do.

00:16:09.460 Just put it forward.

00:16:11.700 I used the example of, I said, what do you mean?

00:16:14.080 Like, the Crusaders?

00:16:15.360 Like, we're not going all the way there yet.

00:16:19.040 I said, it's like Linus.

00:16:21.140 It's like Linus in the Snoopy, you know, Christmas special,

00:16:25.340 when everybody's standing around saying, what's the true meaning of Christmas?

00:16:29.460 And he goes, boom, spotlight.

00:16:31.700 And he just starts reading from the Gospel of Luke.

00:16:33.720 And he just stands on business for the Lord, stands up for the Gospel in a public school,

00:16:39.320 in a public setting, saying, this is the meaning of Christmas.

00:16:42.760 There is no other meaning of Christmas.

00:16:44.780 All meanings of Christmas flow through this.

00:16:47.380 And that's just the truth.

00:16:48.520 And it's always going to be the truth.

00:16:50.500 In fact, it's the greatest truth that's ever existed.

00:16:52.980 So that's all we're talking about.

00:16:54.940 But Dr. Marshall, how has the response been since you've released the book?

00:16:59.560 I'll put it that way.

00:17:00.200 Well, the book is for pre-order.

00:17:03.540 It'll come out this summer.

00:17:04.620 But, you know, we need to unite.

00:17:07.420 And I think that's a big part of being a Christian patriot.

00:17:11.200 That's why it's called, the book's called Christian Patriot.

00:17:13.420 There needs to be a unification around the patria.

00:17:18.020 Patria is Latin for fatherland.

00:17:19.900 It's based on fatherhood.

00:17:21.500 The family is the basis of the nation.

00:17:24.000 John Adams taught that.

00:17:25.220 Thomas Aquinas taught that.

00:17:26.420 Augustine taught that.

00:17:27.860 It is the perennial teaching of Christianity that the family is the basis of the nation.

00:17:34.080 And so we need to rally around that concept.

00:17:36.560 And unfortunately, when you try to do that, you know, they do come after you even within

00:17:41.940 conservative circles.

00:17:43.040 You know, just in the last few days, I just, you know, quote tweeted Pope Leo, the new pope,

00:17:48.620 who said, you know, there's communism.

00:17:50.540 And we need to root that out.

00:17:52.700 You know, he made a very clear statement against communism.

00:17:55.460 I tweet, I retweeted that.

00:17:58.100 And there's a gentleman named James Lindsay, who, who quoted that and, you know, said,

00:18:03.400 you're a fascist. 0.93

00:18:04.360 I should be your leader.

00:18:06.040 Really went after it.

00:18:07.640 When in reality, just saying, I'm sorry, I haven't.

00:18:13.160 Wait, you were, you're a fascist for saying that we should fight communism.

00:18:18.380 Yeah.

00:18:18.760 I mean, it's the strangest thing that you're saying.

00:18:22.000 And you have people who are calling them, going around working with conservatives saying

00:18:27.020 this.

00:18:28.020 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:28.900 You know, we're, we're trying to unite against communism.

00:18:31.940 I quote a pope who says something objectively true against communists.

00:18:36.060 And you have James Lindsay saying that's woke, right?

00:18:38.580 You're a fascist.

00:18:39.560 Wait, hold on.

00:18:40.680 I haven't seen the guys.

00:18:42.060 Can we, can we, uh, producer Foss, producer Russ, can we pull, can we pull this?

00:18:46.580 Can we actually, I want to see this.

00:18:48.240 I, I'm like, what was wrong with your tweet?

00:18:51.100 I don't, I, I'm still trying to figure out what was wrong with this guys.

00:18:54.480 I'm serious.

00:18:55.320 This is pull, pull the tweet up guys, guys.

00:18:58.400 Pull the tweet up.

00:19:00.980 You see, they can find it.

00:19:02.140 Uh, yeah.

00:19:03.020 Okay.

00:19:03.340 They've got it now.

00:19:05.920 Yeah.

00:19:06.280 So you can see the quote from Pope Leo.

00:19:07.960 I mean, it's, you're a stupid fascist.

00:19:09.800 So you're a stupid fascist.

00:19:11.880 What?

00:19:13.640 Wow.

00:19:14.000 Yeah.

00:19:14.280 I don't understand, um, you know, why I'm a stupid fascist just by reposting something

00:19:20.680 against communism, but from a Christian point of view, I think it's just from the Christian

00:19:25.400 point of view that for some reason it's now stupid fascist, you know, or whatever.

00:19:32.220 And, you know, you can see in that tweet, James Lindsay says, and I'd be a leader in any

00:19:36.740 anti-community, but, but you're not the leader, James, you know, we were, we're quoting here,

00:19:41.040 Pope Leo, there's other leaders in the movement and the movement needs to be Christian, not 1.00

00:19:47.140 generically anti-communistic, right?

00:19:51.160 We need spiritual power.

00:19:53.880 You can't define yourself by what you're against.

00:19:55.880 You have to define yourself by what you're for.

00:19:57.800 Dr. Marshall, I, I'm sorry that obviously this has gone through, but clearly you have

00:20:03.120 struck a nerve with, uh, some people who have, have problems with Christianity.

00:20:08.400 Tell people again, where to follow you and where to get the book.

00:20:11.780 Yes.

00:20:12.300 Uh, you can follow me on YouTube.

00:20:13.620 I have a big channel there, uh, almost 1.5 million subscribers, Dr. Taylor Marshall podcast,

00:20:18.640 and you can pre-order the book at christianpatriotbook.com.

00:20:24.940 There's some signed copies, some limited releases.

00:20:26.840 That's christianpatriotbook.com.

00:20:28.980 I got to tell you, Dr. Marshall, after, after you came on the book yesterday, after you came

00:20:32.340 on the show yesterday, I talked about the book, every single member of the team texted me

00:20:36.840 separately saying, I want copies of that book because they know I've got, they know I've

00:20:41.180 got an early draft.

00:20:43.160 So I actually don't even think I told the other guys that.

00:20:46.140 So, uh, I think, I think, and, and by the way, we have a lot of people come up for interviews.

00:20:50.100 Not a lot of people get that kind of response.

00:20:52.680 It's this one, Christian Patriot, Dr. Taylor Marshall, the stupid fascist, apparently, for 0.51

00:20:58.700 wanting to be Christian in public.

00:21:02.440 Quick break.

00:21:03.040 Right back.

00:21:03.460 And Jack, where's Jack?

00:21:12.560 Where's Jack?

00:21:14.680 Where is he?

00:21:15.960 Jack, I want to see you.

00:21:19.620 Great job, Jack.

00:21:21.060 Thank you.

00:21:21.820 What a job you do.

00:21:23.240 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:21:24.440 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the

00:21:29.100 guys who should be getting Pulisic.

00:21:30.420 All right, Jack, so we're back live here, Human Events Daily.

00:21:35.520 Very excited now to have Vish Burra joining us back on the program.

00:21:41.560 Vish, you just took an incredible trip, so congrats on that.

00:21:45.880 Also, by the way, congrats on OAN for picking up that new deal with Spectrum.

00:21:50.500 What's up, man?

00:21:52.120 I'm good, Jack.

00:21:53.220 Always, always happy to join you here on Human Events.

00:21:55.220 Tell me about the trip that you just took, the things that you saw, the sounds that you

00:22:04.620 heard, the smells that you smelled.

00:22:07.460 Well, let me tell you, Jack, the smells actually in the prison itself, not really, it's very

00:22:14.320 antiseptic.

00:22:15.040 It's almost kind of like a hospital.

00:22:16.380 But the people there and the sounds there, I'm telling you, it was a surreal experience.

00:22:22.800 Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:22:23.880 Back up.

00:22:24.360 For the folks not watching on the TV side, listening to the podcast, you're on the Salem

00:22:29.440 Radio Network, along with our three of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:22:33.000 Vish just returned with Matt Gaetz.

00:22:36.040 You traveled to El Salvador, to Seacott, to this quote-unquote secret prison.

00:22:41.500 You personally were holding cameras in there, and you're showing just stunning footage of

00:22:47.900 this experiment in national safety and national success, a beacon to the world about how to

00:22:56.360 protect your country against the worst of the worst.

00:22:59.960 We're told constantly these people are being mistreated.

00:23:02.280 I don't see anyone being mistreated.

00:23:03.540 You just said it smells like a hospital.

00:23:06.400 That's right, Jack.

00:23:07.620 That is right.

00:23:08.700 I am returning, I returned from El Salvador, visited the prison, Seacott, where Nayib Bukele 0.94

00:23:16.160 and President Trump had worked out an agreement to send Venezuelan Trendy Aragua members that

00:23:23.780 we are deporting under Nayib Bukele's supervision at this Seacott Center.

00:23:29.060 Now, this is the same Seacott where President Bukele had utilized to lock up thousands upon

00:23:36.300 thousands of MS-13 gang members, and some of the members that we brought back to El Salvador,

00:23:45.740 the MS-13 members, are also being held in this prison.

00:23:49.260 Now, I shot a ton of that footage, and being there, nobody was treated or anything like

00:23:59.640 that.

00:24:00.040 In fact, a lot of those folks were getting medical treatment on site.

00:24:05.720 A lot of those people were, in fact, getting the better food than some people in America

00:24:13.480 are eating today, especially the Trendy Aragua members. 0.98

00:24:16.520 But the contrast between the MS-13 ward and the Trendy Aragua ward was just absolutely

00:24:23.340 staggering, Jack.

00:24:24.520 The MS-13 ward, you could hear a pin drop in there.

00:24:27.620 These people were totally broken, totally just drained of hope.

00:24:33.460 And you could see them in full compliance with whatever the guards say, whatever the people

00:24:39.580 who are watching over there say.

00:24:41.880 They even greeted us as we walked in, you know, letting us know buenas.

00:24:45.860 But the Trendy Aragua ward was out of control, Jack.

00:24:50.340 They were, as soon as we walked in, they were yelling, screaming at us.

00:24:55.460 They were climbing up on the cages there and the cells there you could see.

00:25:03.020 And they were all yelling, you know, that they've been kidnapped and that they are looking for

00:25:07.400 their freedom.

00:25:07.980 They want their freedom.

00:25:08.740 They were yelling, libertad, libertad.

00:25:11.080 And so just to see these people up close, it made me appreciate the actions that Donald

00:25:17.560 Trump took to put these people there and to make sure that these people are not on the

00:25:23.180 streets of America killing people.

00:25:25.040 In fact, our footage and our special on OAN included an interview with one of the MS-13

00:25:31.060 members who had been deported for, he said that he killed over 50 people, Jack, 50 people.

00:25:38.420 And he said it nonchalantly like he lost count somewhere at 40.

00:25:42.420 So these are the kinds of monsters that are being locked up in Sakat.

00:25:47.400 And we should be thankful that President Trump has gotten these people off the streets and

00:25:52.700 out of our communities to keep our families and our homes and our country safe.

00:26:00.520 Well, this is so strange to me because, you know, I hear these people in the United States,

00:26:06.300 they say this can't be done.

00:26:07.960 And that crime is just just part and parcel of any big city.

00:26:11.860 Actually, that was out of London.

00:26:13.420 But that that crime is it's a complex problem.

00:26:16.820 And we need to understand root causes and we have to get into socioeconomic factors and

00:26:23.320 all of these different things.

00:26:24.460 Whereas, whereas Bukele just comes along and he says, well, let's just lock up the violent

00:26:30.060 criminals and see what happens.

00:26:31.740 And then, oh, my gosh, all the violent crime goes away.

00:26:35.800 And so it's it's just been this massive repudiation of the entire criminal justice field as well

00:26:42.740 as sociology.

00:26:44.260 But this here's what's interesting is there are.

00:26:48.260 There's there's a question about this where I guess that comes up on the right and has come

00:26:53.600 up in conservative discourse.

00:26:55.240 I said something last year along the lines of exactly what it was, something along the lines

00:26:59.900 of principles or power without principles is tyranny, but principles without power is

00:27:08.060 lunacy because you're a lunatic.

00:27:11.040 If you put your principles without having any power whatsoever, you must have power, you must

00:27:15.980 have leverage, you must have the ability to do something, but you want to and then you

00:27:20.240 must apply your principles to the use of that power.

00:27:23.340 However, we're now seeing and I'm starting to see that there are people who are very upset

00:27:29.580 that conservatives are using power and, in fact, arguing against it.

00:27:35.080 Can you walk me through some of that?

00:27:38.460 Yeah, absolutely, Jack.

00:27:40.180 This is again, this is actually nothing new.

00:27:43.520 We've always seen this throughout, especially the GOP and the Republican circles, really pre

00:27:50.160 Donald Trump.

00:27:50.920 This was the kind of party that we had for a long time, especially, you know, since William

00:27:57.260 Buck Buckley appointed himself the gatekeeper of conservatism, you know, back in, back pre-Y2K

00:28:04.760 era, right?

00:28:05.640 And he was the one who wanted to make sure that we were standing on principles and that

00:28:10.760 we weren't exercising power or growing government or anything like that.

00:28:15.040 Yes, we can sympathize and empathize with not wanting to grow the government to its

00:28:20.800 Leviathan size.

00:28:22.460 But when we have power, we should be able to use it and leverage it towards our ends, towards

00:28:28.820 our people, to be able to benefit our base.

00:28:33.260 That is what the Democrats understand very well to create massive patronage networks, essentially,

00:28:38.580 to fund their side.

00:28:40.560 So now that we have power and conservatives over a long time have learned this, especially

00:28:46.940 after Donald Trump essentially took over the Republican Party and remade it into his image,

00:28:52.920 we have seen that conservatives now have an appetite for leveraging power to pursue our

00:29:00.060 ends.

00:29:00.420 The thing is, is that, you know, these guys that, especially the, like the, when we saw

00:29:06.120 in 2023, during the primaries with DeSantis and Trump, a lot of these people were the same

00:29:11.860 types who were supporting DeSantis, saying we should stand on principle at the sake of power,

00:29:18.360 when in fact you need power first to implement any principle at all.

00:29:23.100 And so now you're seeing a new crowd post the victory of Donald Trump in 2024.

00:29:27.480 You're seeing that there is a new crowd who doesn't have any power trying to convince

00:29:33.360 conservatives that power is bad because their competitors now have power, right?

00:29:40.520 And these are the people who are now using the woke right term.

00:29:43.640 And these are the people who essentially see guys like you, guys like Cernovich, guys like

00:29:49.380 Bannon as competitors to their influence over the MAGA base.

00:29:55.000 And so now they're trying to hack it by creating a, a false side game called woke, right?

00:30:02.420 And they are trying to latch onto the reservoir of value.

00:30:07.000 That is MAGA at the end of the day, what they're trying to do, Jack, is they are trying to take

00:30:13.780 over this thing of ours, right?

00:30:16.340 The La Maga Nostra, right?

00:30:18.200 This without any omerta to either.

00:30:21.240 That is what they want to do.

00:30:23.260 They want to be able to hijack MAGA towards their ends by convincing the MAGA base that

00:30:29.480 actually we are not MAGA.

00:30:31.160 Vishborough, Jack Posobiec, Steve Bannon, Cernovich, we are not MAGA.

00:30:35.820 Actually, James Lindsays and the Constantine Kissins of the world, they are the real MAGA. 0.98

00:30:41.060 And we, Poso, Jack, Vishborough, we're going to ruin MAGA by pursuing our ends, by using

00:30:49.220 power to implement MAGA principles.

00:30:52.000 This is the argument that they're trying to make and they're trying to lose it flatly because

00:30:56.240 MAGA has smartened up to the snakes in the grass, or should I say the serpents in the grass

00:31:02.900 who have been trying to support our people at the end that are just not going to work

00:31:08.640 for us and haven't worked for us until Donald Trump came along.

00:31:14.260 Well, what's so strange about this as well is, you see the examples, you see Trump, you

00:31:20.280 see President Bukele, obviously they're working together for deportations.

00:31:24.280 But again, what they're doing is they're taking action.

00:31:27.540 And this is what Steve Bannon taught to all of us.

00:31:31.080 It is, it doesn't matter what your opinions are.

00:31:34.940 Nobody cares what you think.

00:31:36.960 Nobody cares what you're, you know, how well you understand this issue and you know every

00:31:41.880 little terrorist group in the Middle East.

00:31:43.840 Oh, that's so good.

00:31:44.760 You want a little pat on the back?

00:31:45.800 You want a little cookie?

00:31:46.700 You want something like that?

00:31:47.460 What are you going to do about any of this?

00:31:49.480 What are you getting done?

00:31:50.720 And Elon Musk, by the way, to his credit, you know, what did you get done this week?

00:31:56.500 Action, action, action.

00:31:59.300 This is our credo.

00:32:00.680 We do not sit around and have, these are all action-oriented programs.

00:32:05.480 These are all action-oriented stances.

00:32:07.880 If anything, by the way, Trump's first hundred days were setting the preconditions for the

00:32:15.440 explosion of action that we are going to see in the next hundred days.

00:32:19.980 And I've said this to many reporters who are asking me about this.

00:32:24.280 That's where MAGA is at.

00:32:25.500 MAGA wants more of the same.

00:32:28.500 And at an exponential clip, we want this thing to go parabolic.

00:32:34.740 Okay?

00:32:35.220 That's what we want to see.

00:32:36.680 Straight to the moon, right?

00:32:38.380 Like one of those, one of the media, one of the great meme stocks out there.

00:32:41.600 So the idea that, the idea that we're just going to sit around and debate, that's what

00:32:48.240 these centrists, who are typically, by the way, when you call them, those who use this

00:32:53.460 phrase woke right, they are temporarily embarrassed liberals.

00:32:58.500 They never converted to conservatism.

00:33:00.820 They're not, certainly not interested in populist nationalism.

00:33:03.880 They aren't populist at all.

00:33:05.420 They exist to try to extract money and donations from their elite donor network.

00:33:11.980 And they have no interest whatsoever in moving the needle.

00:33:14.340 And in fact, by the way, one of the reasons that they ran into an issue, the woke left

00:33:19.200 was defeated by the election of Donald J.

00:33:22.260 Trump and the complete repudiation of them at the ballot box.

00:33:25.680 And since the woke left was defeated, well, these anti-woke warriors needed a new form of

00:33:32.600 wokeness to fight against.

00:33:34.240 Well, bearing that they had none, finding that they had none, they created one where nothing

00:33:39.840 existed.

00:33:41.040 Stay tuned, folks.

00:33:42.120 We're on with Vishborough.

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00:35:17.800 Live Human Events Daily.

00:35:19.640 We're on with Vish Burry.

00:35:20.900 He's the producer of the Matt Gaetz Show over at OAN.

00:35:23.320 Just got back from Sakat down in El Salvador.

00:35:27.380 And we're talking about how conservatives win by wielding power.

00:35:32.760 We wield power through our conservative principles.

00:35:37.400 But if we do not attempt to wield power, we lose everything.

00:35:43.640 And the left is able to take control.

00:35:47.940 This has been the huge, I would say, revolution in conservative thought over the last, it's been

00:35:55.260 a decade, but really the last two years, even the last 18 months, I would say.

00:36:00.680 This is something, by the way, that Vice President J.D.

00:36:03.860 Vance completely understands.

00:36:05.420 By the way, folks, kind of an aside, but our question of the day a few days ago, we were

00:36:10.580 asking, should J.D.

00:36:11.660 Vance go to Rome to visit the new pope?

00:36:14.140 Well, earlier today, it was just announced that J.D.

00:36:16.660 Vance will be traveling to Rome to visit the new pope.

00:36:19.800 And he's going to be attending the inaugural mass of Pope Leo XIV.

00:36:23.360 Why?

00:36:24.400 Because the pope is a node of power.

00:36:27.480 St. Peter's Basilica is a node of power in the world.

00:36:31.260 By the way, whether you like it or not, it's true.

00:36:36.280 Vish, that's really what this all comes down to, isn't it?

00:36:39.060 We're talking about power structures which are true.

00:36:43.100 That doesn't make us woke for understanding that power structures exist.

00:36:46.840 It makes us smart because we understand how the world works.

00:36:51.160 That's right, Jack.

00:36:53.700 And, you know, the thing is, is that we have to understand power is real.

00:36:57.420 That's the very first fundamental thing that we have to understand, accept, and then navigate

00:37:03.320 with, right?

00:37:04.420 And we, and not only do we know that, but our critics know that as well, right?

00:37:08.720 Whether they're on the left or the right, they know that power is real as well.

00:37:12.500 You know, it was so interesting when Lindsay had his crash out recently on Dr. Taylor Marshall's

00:37:19.680 rather innocuous post about standing with the new Pope of Leo.

00:37:25.180 He put up a quote talking about, well, you know, we'll fight against communism together.

00:37:29.640 And the mask goes off on Lindsay and he says, well, you know what?

00:37:33.500 No, that's not true.

00:37:34.420 You guys aren't really trying to fight communism because if you were, you'd make me your leader.

00:37:38.960 Sounds like you want some power, Mr. Lindsay, right?

00:37:41.280 That's the thing, this, and to take a step further, right?

00:37:45.660 Not only do they understand power, but what they're trying to do is they're trying to reforge

00:37:52.440 old and defeated weapons, weapons that MAGA have already defeated, right?

00:37:57.840 For example, the accusations of racism, sexism, xenophobia.

00:38:03.320 And in fact, the post-World War II liberal consensus in and of itself, that whole superstructure

00:38:10.620 that is totally outdated and obsolete.

00:38:14.900 These people who use this woke right label and smear, they are trying to reforge these

00:38:21.860 old weapons that we've defeated.

00:38:23.360 They're trying to bring back the power in those terms, in those smears of racism, sexism,

00:38:30.260 and all this other stuff, misogyny, all these defeated terms, defeated ideas.

00:38:37.740 And so because they are not able to fight with their real legitimate ideas, which are really

00:38:44.200 just old ideas, status quo ideas about why the post-World War II liberal consensus is still

00:38:50.640 good and worth protecting.

00:38:51.880 And it's, these are, these people are trying to bring power back to that because that is

00:38:58.360 where their power lies, right?

00:39:00.640 The PhDs of the world, the people who-

00:39:04.020 Well, the consensus is where we always lost.

00:39:05.980 The consensus is where we would win elections.

00:39:07.900 We could win votes, but we lost the country.

00:39:10.160 We lost an ideals.

00:39:11.780 We lost the power of institutions.

00:39:13.060 We lost Hollywood.

00:39:14.240 We lost all of these things and all of these ridiculous canards of, oh, just go build your

00:39:18.720 own institution, don't go to college, don't do any of this stuff, just leave all the power

00:39:21.780 structures to the left.

00:39:22.780 It was always a joke.

00:39:24.440 And by the way, all of the people who would say stuff like that, what would they do?

00:39:27.920 Well, they would turn around and they'd go to the colleges and they would get the PhDs

00:39:30.920 and they would get the credentials and they would go there time and time again.

00:39:33.720 Why?

00:39:34.540 Because those are nodes of power.

00:39:37.740 They are, in fact, power conferring institutions, which is something that is actually more important

00:39:45.680 than the piece of paper.

00:39:47.280 Now, is it right for everybody?

00:39:48.720 Of course, longer discussion.

00:39:50.420 But the point is the power that you get through those power networks of going through one of

00:39:56.480 the institutions.

00:39:57.460 Visbera, where can people go to get your thoughts and subscribe to your many, many ideas?

00:40:05.260 Thanks, Jack.

00:40:06.040 You can follow me on X at Visbera.

00:40:08.780 Make sure to tune in to the Matt Gaetz Show, 9 p.m.

00:40:11.180 Eastern, 6 p.m.

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00:40:13.900 We're always covering the latest and greatest and some of those great ideas on the show as

00:40:18.220 well.

00:40:18.840 And as always, make sure you're tuning in to Human Events with Jack Posobiec because all

00:40:23.240 the cutting edge stuff is right here.

00:40:25.860 Well, I appreciate that so much, Vish.

00:40:27.400 Man, I got a little bit, got a little FOMO.

00:40:30.140 I got to go down to Sakat myself.

00:40:31.620 They'll check it out.

00:40:33.860 But I want to get back to Gitmo, folks.

00:40:35.420 As a guy who served at Guantanamo Bay in the interrogation cell, I really, man, I want

00:40:40.600 to get back down there at some point.

00:40:41.820 But we'll see.

00:40:43.080 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission.

00:40:44.800 Stay tuned.

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Christian Patriotism and The Truth About the MS-13 Prison in Venezuela

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