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00:00:47.120Welcome back to Justice for Charlie. We have Jack Posobiec on the ground at the courthouse in Provo, Utah. Benny, I know you had a question for him before the break that got cut off. So go ahead, please.
00:00:55.660yeah jack first of all we're with you we are we stand with you throughout this whole time but you
00:01:01.760know i wanted to touch on just a few weeks ago you and i were in the west wing of the white house
00:01:05.400and we were having conversations about you know the the upcoming months and what this trial looked
00:01:10.120like and you said you knew you know you you've been following this you had you know you've seen
00:01:14.980the evidence you've seen certain things and you're very confident in what you've seen has there been
00:01:19.620anything these past couple of days that have surprised you or stuff that's been you know
00:01:23.600just different than what you thought? Well, I think, if anything, it's what's new is that
00:01:34.680we're realizing that the case that the prosecutors have put together is something that they are going
00:01:42.420to be releasing on their own schedule. They're being meticulous about that. And the evidence
00:01:47.080that's been collected is far beyond that which has already been released to the public or even
00:01:54.840released here at the trial. And of course, this has been the biggest fight as we sit there.
00:01:58.780Now, there are certain times where I can see things in the courtroom that the public can't see.
00:02:06.180And there are other times where there are videos being played that everyone can see,
00:02:09.820but it's from a kind of a canted angle. So people can't see it quite as clearly as we can. And I'll
00:02:15.680I'll tell you, for example, that high quality footage of Tyler Robinson walking around campus.
00:02:20.900It's I mean, when I saw it, it's it's as clear as day on some of those cameras.
00:02:25.960Now, in addition, some of the cameras, it's it's very much zoomed out.
00:02:29.700And I certainly would love if we can get either the raw footage or the zoomed in footage there.
00:02:36.100I think that that's something where, you know, the judge decided to hold that back, but did publish it.
00:02:41.400So I think we still have to make media requests for it.
00:02:43.160I really want to get that footage out there, especially if you can see him in that prone position crawling forward to the edge and then, of course, taking the fatal shot.
00:02:55.580So beyond the specifics there, it's really the sheer amount and volume of evidence that they have collected here, which is far beyond some of the other cases that we see in high profile.
00:03:08.740for example, the Brian Koberger case out in Idaho with the four sorority girls that he hacked to
00:03:14.420death. In that case, there were a few witnesses of a car. There was a bloody fingerprint, but that
00:03:21.460was about it. You just didn't have this massive volume and really mountain of evidence that they
00:03:28.640are slowly but surely unveiling here in court. And I expect that today we're going to get more of
00:03:34.100that. Obviously yesterday we got the, not just the fact that there was a DNA match, but 89% match
00:03:39.460on the screwdriver, 95% match on the towel to Tyler Robinson. And then yes, also the minority
00:03:46.760partial match to Lance Twiggs, of course, being the roommate. And then again, of course, questions
00:03:53.240today about whether or not we will get to Twiggs' testimony. And of course, the fact that the defense
00:03:58.680was very, very cagey about letting in any of the information regarding Charlie's political views,
00:04:06.320specifically relating to marriage, man and woman, gender issues.
00:04:12.800Obviously, that's something that is clearly going to come up in this case, and that speaks directly to motive.
00:04:19.140Yeah, Jack, that's a very, very interesting point you're making.
00:04:21.960I thought it was really a microcosm of the entire trial, this targeting enhancement.
00:04:26.460If we don't know what Charlie Kirk stood for, we can't know what the defendant's state of mind was.
00:04:32.480And I think that the defense attorney got backed into a corner when Judge Graff asked him that question.
00:04:37.160And it seemed the lid kind of just this veil kind of came off of what this case is about.
00:04:41.200And I really thought that piece of evidence that was being admitted that Judge Graff permitted was actually a wonderful moment, a watershed moment of what we're actually talking about here.
00:04:49.720And if we're going to extend that a little bit bigger, Jack, 30,000 feet, and because we are talking this whole hour is justice for Charlie,
00:04:56.180I want to ask you a question that I asked your brother, Kevin, yesterday.
00:04:59.020What does justice for Charlie look like?
00:05:01.100We know that the death penalty is on the table.
00:05:06.680But if the prosecution proceeds with the death penalty and he were to receive that, is that justice or what is justice in your eyes?
00:05:17.540Well, look, Beau, I mean, nothing will ever make this right.
00:05:22.460Nothing will ever give us our friend back.
00:05:24.980Nothing will ever give us back our leader at Turning Point, the guy who was such a leader and a fighter for this country.
00:05:34.380So no amount of response will ever give us back what was taken.
00:05:40.960And when I think of Erica and I think of their children and the fact that that's a boy and a girl who are so young and of every single moment that was robbed from them,
00:05:53.280not just when it happened but for the rest of their lives he'll never be able to walk his
00:05:57.360daughter down the aisle he'll never be able to teach his son to throw a baseball or throw a
00:06:01.160football as incredible as he was or teach him both to play basketball which he was also an
00:06:05.020incredible champion at that that's a debt that's a serious debt that needs to be paid to a real
00:06:12.420family who are suffering real trauma because of all this but more more than that this was an attack
00:06:19.560on our civilization and our society and our way of life because it was an attack on freedom of
00:06:23.880speech. It was an attack on free debate. It was an attack on our very system of having a republic
00:06:30.840the way that we have it. And as such, that's why I've always said for assassins specifically,
00:06:37.460the death penalty should absolutely not just be warranted, but always sought because it's
00:06:43.900an attack on our very way of life itself. All right, Jack, that's important. Sorry to
00:06:50.380cut you off there, Benny. I know they're telling me that I got to go to break, but thanks for
00:06:53.100being with us and providing that insight. I think we're all thinking about this, and I think you're
00:06:58.380right, Jack, to say that there really is no true justice. It doesn't bring our friend back. It
00:07:04.160doesn't bring the leader back. There's so much in debt that we owe that the vacuum that's filled
00:07:09.380can't be filled by any one person i think all of us we probably have to collectively have to rise up
00:07:14.900in the best way that we can and jack you've been at the forefront of that and we certainly salute
00:07:18.440you for it so uh jack thanks for your your um your um your uh observations right now and i guess we
00:07:25.160have to go to vice president jd vance so jack thanks for all the good work that you're doing
00:07:28.640right there and we'll make sure to stay tuned to your presentation tonight at nine and now we go
00:07:32.520to vice president jd vance they weren't getting them because the fraudsters were getting rich
00:07:37.560off the generosity of the American taxpayer. So you know what we did? We came in and we said,
00:07:43.140we are not sanctioning a single one of these companies to defraud the American people. If
00:07:49.020you say that you're going to provide medical equipment to our seniors, we're going to confirm
00:07:54.080that you're actually delivering product before we pay a single one of those bills. And we saved
00:07:59.000billions of dollars. And you know what happened is we had great support from Brian Stile and
00:08:07.180Derek Van Orden and all of the other great congressional representatives to keep that
00:08:11.940money out of the hands of fraudsters to ensure that it went to the seniors who needed it.
00:12:30.100And when you're in the courtroom as well, something that, you know, I don't know exactly if people realize or you can quite tell from, you know, seeing it.
00:12:39.240I posted, and I think my brother Kevin posted as well, some images we found of what the courtroom looks like
00:12:44.660because of the way they've put restrictions on the live stream.