00:02:26.920The media was not going to film exhibits
00:02:33.960and they are filming the ones that are on that screen.
00:02:37.200Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
00:02:45.200This is special coverage, the hearing of Tyler Robinson.
00:02:52.200Today is July 3rd, 2026, Anno Domine, and we are here live in Provo, Utah.
00:03:00.200Today, I was in the courtroom, seated in the front row, along with Charlie's family, Don
00:03:09.180Jr., a number of other TPUSA friends and allies.
00:03:16.640Also in the courtroom were Tyler Robinson's family.
00:03:20.940And in fact, Tyler Robinson himself, of course, sat just a few feet away from us.
00:03:30.200And you know, a lot of people I've seen online have been saying that Tyler was laughing and chuckling along with his defense team, and I saw that.
00:03:46.940But one thing that I noticed beyond that was that Tyler Robinson never turned back once.
00:03:58.040Kept his back to his own family, kept his back to Charlie's family, never once turned,
00:04:06.900never once expressed remorse, never once acknowledged their presence,
00:07:41.580Welcome to the second American Revolution
00:07:46.180All right, folks, Jack Posobiec, we're back live here.
00:07:52.680Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
00:07:55.060I want to thank the Real America's Voice team.
00:07:56.980We're shifting, of course, the time slot here of Human Events Daily
00:08:00.760so that we can do these nightly recaps with you guys.
00:08:04.380Obviously, I'm here in Utah, so the time change is different from East Coast,
00:08:07.960where I usually do it, but I wanted to get into the meat of this.
00:08:10.940I wanted to talk about what I saw, but also from the legal analysis side,
00:08:15.400and we're really excited that we have Dr. Wendy Patrick. She's a former prosecutor and career
00:08:19.940trial attorney joining us right now. Dr. Wendy, how are you? Oh, it's a pleasure to join you,
00:08:25.740Jack. Thank you for having me. Well, thank you. So you watched the hearing on live stream. You
00:08:33.780know, I watched the hearing as well, having actually been there. Tell us, you know, looking
00:08:38.860at it through your lens. I mean, I can view the body language. I can see the victim's
00:08:45.240family. I can see the members of the press. I can see the defendant. But, you know, give us your
00:08:50.680legal analysis of how you saw today play out and what nuggets do you think that we should focus on
00:08:57.340for those of us who want justice here? That's right, Jack. So the legal analysis is a lot
00:09:03.000more sanitized than what you saw, which is the raw emotion that must have just filled that
00:09:08.900courtroom, given the fact that Charlie Kirk is a beloved public figure, Christian leader,
00:09:13.900husband, father, inspiration. Legally, you know, everybody has to take a step back and say,
00:09:19.260what are the elements of the crime that we're seeking to prove? And it's true. A preliminary
00:09:22.980hearing is a probable cause hearing. There's a much less burden of proof than a real trial.
00:09:29.280But at the same time, the prosecution has to establish the elements of the crimes that they
00:09:33.080charge, including the death penalty. So what you saw all day today was exactly that. Some may think
00:09:39.640it's tedious, but this is as it should be. You had witness after witness, element after element.
00:09:45.660You had all the objections you might expect from the defense attorneys who are perfecting their
00:09:49.740record for appeal. One thing that really characterized the morning as well as the
00:09:54.520afternoon was it seemed to be very civil. There's no such thing as a routine trial,
00:10:00.740but objections can be routine in the essence that you expect them to come. You expect there to be
00:10:06.420objections to the most sensational evidence. And on that note, as you asked, the most sensational
00:10:11.760evidence is the shot. And unfortunately, that's a part of the trial that nobody wants to see.
00:10:17.360Again, certainly not the family members of Charlie. You even saw the judge had a tough time
00:10:22.360watching that video. He watched it privately, but we watched his face as he did so.
00:10:27.560And as you might imagine, this is really hard to see. It's the kind of footage that you have to
00:10:32.100watch once if you've got to establish the evidence being there, but you probably don't
00:10:36.440want to keep watching it. And I would imagine that's going to be the judge's ruling when we
00:10:39.500get to trial. But we're really warming up to creating that foundational timeline upon which
00:10:45.600the rest of the evidence will be put for the rest of the week. Well, and that's something too. I
00:10:52.160mean, look, I was there when the judge had that reaction. Some members of the family did, of
00:10:58.900course choose to walk out prior to that video uh being played in the courtroom and uh there were a
00:11:06.560few of us that stayed as well and uh went through all of it look i've seen that video before
00:11:12.780and uh many many times and in fact i've watched it myself slowed down sped up all the different
00:11:19.800ways you can watch it but seeing the judge's reaction it really took me back to the first
00:11:26.100time that I saw it and just the abject horror and the shock of seeing that happen to a friend
00:11:33.220of mine and knowing what it would set in motion and knowing that this day would come and eventually
00:11:40.320the final trial itself will come. But you're absolutely correct in that we also have to
00:11:44.860understand that those videos are key pieces of evidence because they give us timing. They can
00:11:51.740also give us things like trajectory, ballistics. Obviously, this will come up in the autopsy
00:11:57.040report as well, which the autopsy report was entered today, although they did not get into
00:12:02.140detail of the autopsy report. I was able to see maybe a glance of it, but no photos were shown
00:12:11.060and we could really, you know, didn't even have the opportunity to be able to read anything.
00:12:15.480But again, as harrowing as all of this is, as grueling as all of these have been, and it has been grueling, this is all absolutely key for getting over that hurdle of probable cause so that a plea can be entered and that the trial machinations can begin.
00:12:32.280that's right and jack that's particularly important in a high profile case like this one
00:12:38.040you know there's a case where the cameras are right there in the courtroom ready to catch any
00:12:41.620mistake that's made prosecutors are probably being very cautious and putting in more evidence than
00:12:46.500they think they need lest they make any mistakes and have to renew everything and at the same time
00:12:51.900there's no reason to be overly traumatizing with pieces of evidence you don't need for
00:12:56.620preliminary hearing like the autopsy photos or other types of photos you know that is the worst
00:13:02.120of a case like this is when you know you're going into a murder case, you're going to have to see
00:13:06.120evidence of the actual murder, hence the showing of that video. On a more clinical side, the other
00:13:12.120thing you really saw today is all the different objections that were overcome. Everything from
00:13:17.700authentication, admissibility, publication, relevancy, reliability. I mean, everything that
00:13:25.060both sides needed to focus on to put in the evidence or to keep out of the evidence that the
00:13:29.640case may be, was kind of the underpinning of the emotion. And by the way, Jack, that is one of the
00:13:35.200things that the defense was asking for before we all saw the case today, before you were allowed
00:13:39.360in the courtroom, is the defense wanted it to be closed, closed to the public, closed to the press.
00:13:44.500The judge, in ruling that it's going to be an open proceeding, live streamed, really reminded
00:13:49.720everybody that there are plenty of other ways to ensure due process for Mr. Robinson. That includes
00:13:54.960everything from making sure you spend enough time with a big enough jury pool to be able to get
00:13:59.620men and women who can be fair. Everything from making sure you don't have overly gratuitous
00:14:04.620pretrial publicity. There are lots of ways in which he will attempt to rein in some of that
00:14:10.360press pretrial. But as far as prelim and what we're seeing this week, it's necessary to put
00:14:15.900in all of the evidence and it's necessary to make all the objections to perfect the record for
00:14:19.860post-trial advocacy, shall we say. Because let's face it, if the court of public opinion is any
00:14:25.380guide, you're going to see that same evidence we already know about put into a court of law
00:14:30.020this week. That's exactly right. And so I believe that some of the evidence will be released. Some
00:14:39.300of the exhibits that have come out for publication that they will be released. However, it's not
00:14:44.220going to be as immediate as it has been for maybe some of the other trials that people have seen
00:14:48.060live streamed, Kyle Rittenhouse, the Johnny Depp, Amber Heard trial that people are more familiar
00:14:53.020with, because that was coming out in real time. This one, there is going to be that delay. But
00:14:58.480at the same time, I'm someone who stands on wanting all of the transparency that we can get.
00:15:04.700In fact, Human Events was one of the very first publications to write an open letter calling for
00:15:09.600cameras in the courtroom, even before the rest of the media came out in this, in which they did.
00:15:14.620The media did have a lawyer there who argued strenuously for various portions of this to be
00:15:19.140continued in public. Because look, on any case, especially a murder case, there's always going
00:15:25.780to be certain levels of misinformation. There's going to be certain levels of just basic factual
00:15:31.020errors that people make. You know, for example, I keep hearing people say or, you know, constantly
00:15:37.920hear people say, oh, was Charlie wearing some type of protection? Was he wearing some kind of
00:15:43.980body armor when in fact he wasn't. And so that's just a basic factual, you know, mistruth that we
00:15:51.360want to get corrected so that when this goes in front of a jury, that they have the actual truth
00:15:55.860out there. But then also so that the public from, as you point out, the wider public court of
00:16:00.860opinion also can know the actual facts of the case. And so, you know, that's just one example
00:16:07.240I can think of that when we look at this and we see the evidence coming in now where we got today
00:16:12.940the screwdriver. We got the gravel on top of the roof. We're starting to now get some of the
00:16:18.720videos. Now there was a back and forth about specifics on videos because one of them had
00:16:22.800been annotated. So they want the raw video, not the annotated video, kind of like when
00:16:26.700they do a play by play in the NFL or something like that. And they annotate the, you know,
00:16:31.740the instant replay. But the fact of the matter is, is that we're also getting new video and new
00:16:38.200evidence that hasn't actually come out before. To my mind, the fact that Tyler Robinson had
00:16:45.660arrived on campus and traveled there four times, not just on the day of the killing, but in fact,
00:16:52.000also that sort of just after midnight arrival in the neighborhood, which was north of the campus.
00:16:58.900And in fact, I went with the human events team here and our field correspondent, Kevin Posobiec,
00:17:03.280and walked the UVU campus yesterday so we could have that sort of picture in our own minds, that
00:17:09.180physical sense, we realize how close all of these places are. And so this is going to be a huge
00:17:15.020challenge. You know, we're already starting to see some of the defense strategy come out, and
00:17:19.740it's going to be a huge challenge because there's even more evidence that they're going to have to
00:17:25.340overcome in order to try to find some kind of reasonable doubt. But ultimately, there seems to
00:17:31.420be this mountain of evidence that's now being uncovered, one of which, of course, as we're
00:17:35.840learning today about these four trips to the campus by the alleged shooter.
00:17:41.500Right. And, you know, you talk about the evidence and many cases you have murders occurring behind
00:17:46.300closed doors, surreptitiously at night. This was a murder in broad daylight. And we start with that,
00:17:53.100that that is one of the things that distinguishes this case from so many others where a defense
00:17:57.680might be heat of passion or mistaken identity or so many other things. And when it comes to
00:18:02.820guessing what the defense is going to do in trial and how they're going to frame their strategy,
00:18:07.080they don't have to disclose that at a preliminary hearing the way the prosecutor has to disclose
00:18:11.280the evidence they have. I mean, obviously, through discovery, the defense has the evidence anyway.
00:18:15.840But in terms of case strategy, it's all on the prosecution side, what they have to prove to
00:18:20.420meet their burden, even though it's much lesser than reasonable doubt. But yes, Jack, you are
00:18:25.080correct that you do get a sense of what's going to be important in the trial simply by the
00:18:30.880objections that are made, the rulings that are made, the questions that are asked on cross
00:18:35.460examination. We can still get a feel for the state of the evidence. And on top of all of that,
00:18:41.780you have the emotional value of the case in that courtroom, which is the one thing a jury will not
00:18:48.360be able to consider. They will have to make sure when they go back in that deliberation room that
00:18:53.280it does not at all enter into their deliberations.
00:18:56.420All they can focus on is whether or not the evidence in the courtroom, not the court of
00:19:00.840public opinion, is sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt both the murder and the
00:19:06.480death penalty, because that's how serious this case is.
00:19:09.120So what you're seeing this week, Jack, in the courtroom is sort of a mini trial where
00:19:13.760some, a lot of that evidence is being presented, the way it's being presented, because we're
00:19:19.640going to see that and more when this case goes finally a trial.
00:19:22.320We're getting some glimmers of that. We're getting some glimmers of that. We're on with
00:19:26.760Dr. Wendy Patrick here at Human Events Daily, special coverage, Real America's Voice.
00:19:31.980Today, you know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers,
00:19:36.400and they're friends of mine, Jack Persovic. Where's Jack? Jack, he's done a great job.
00:19:43.740All right, folks, Jack Prasovic here back live.
00:19:50.180Special coverage on the Human Events Daily of the Tyler Robinson hearing.
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00:25:25.580It's not a case about Charlie Kirk being out in public and the different schedule that he had, except that it was public enough for the defendant to have used that information to plan the attack.
00:25:38.400And as you just mentioned, one of the things that the judge heard is that he'd been there four times already.
00:25:45.020But those are some of the things that judge is going to be instructing a jury on when we get to trial.
00:25:48.820We're a long way from that. But what both sides are going to be arguing at the end of this preliminary hearing is what type of facts that came out during these couple of days are most relevant to argue.
00:26:00.240It either should proceed to trial or that it shouldn't. Is it the murder trial and the death penalty or is it some lesser charge?
00:26:07.840That's what both sides have their ears attuned for. What facts are coming out that they can both argue.
00:26:12.280right and and ultimately the facts to my mind all continue to point in one direction and in fact
00:26:22.700actually dr wendy we originally only scheduled you for two seconds but if you would indulge me
00:26:27.620could we how could we hold you over because i actually have some more questions i want to ask
00:26:31.700you what do you say can you say on and hang on for just a little bit longer on this special
00:26:36.460coverage with us on human events? Yes, I can. Thank you. Oh, that's phenomenal. So she's going
00:26:44.280to hang back because there is something that I do want to ask her. And I'm looking at the clock
00:26:48.080here and saying, you know what? I don't have enough time in this segment. We're going to get
00:26:50.960to the next one. Again, folks, this is human events special coverage. We're talking about
00:26:55.740what I saw in the courtroom coming face to face with Tyler Robinson here in Provo, Utah. Right
00:29:35.720She's walking us through all of this because this is an absolute key, an absolute key of where we are on things.
00:29:44.960And so, Dr. Wendy, I wanted to ask you, how do you think this is shaping up, right?
00:29:50.100You know, we've only had day one, but when we look at it in totality, do you think that the evidence that it's coming, and it is drip by drip, but do you think the prosecution is making their case?
00:30:06.220They are introducing a piece of evidence, making sure that all of the proper safeguards have been followed to ensure it's reliable, it's credible, it's authentic, it's, you know, it's admissible.
00:30:17.460You know, that's the biggest thing I think both sides are looking at is what's going to be admissible.
00:30:21.620But, you know, as we think through the state of the evidence and we think through the emotion that you mentioned, your clip at the beginning reminded me of another thing.
00:30:29.440Just as President Trump is no doubt delighted that you're covering this case, he was also delighted Charlie Kirk was doing the job that he was doing out in the community for the Christian community, for the president's agenda and for his voters.
00:30:43.940And so it's notable that not only did you have Don Jr. there today, you may have other members of the Trump family, but it's one more layer that both sides probably are thinking about as they're wrangling over what pieces of evidence are going to be admissible, because there are not only emotional overtones, there are political overtones to this case as well.
00:31:05.520And we would hate to see false narratives tainting the criminal process and the process of justice for both sides, justice for Charlie, due process for Mr. Robinson.
00:31:16.440But it's one of the things that you just can't get away from in this courtroom.
00:31:19.780And it's probably something the judge is thinking about as well as he rules on each and every one of these objections.
00:31:26.260You know, you probably, as well as the rest of us, were glad when the defense established a standing objection.
00:31:31.160so they didn't have to continue reiterating the same talking points again and again.
00:31:36.300That's good for the defense, good for the prosecution, good for the speed of the preliminary
00:31:40.040hearing to be able to get this over with and stop re-traumatizing. I would guess, and you could tell
00:31:46.280me if this is your experience, many of the people in that courtroom. It is hard enough to watch it
00:31:51.420on live stream. I can't imagine how tough it is for those of you that are sitting, as you said,
00:31:56.320feet away from the defendant? Well, look, it's grueling, not just from taking the emotional
00:32:05.880side out of it. And it is emotional. And I'm not going to sit here and say that it's not emotional
00:32:11.040for me to be sitting there knowing what happened, knowing why I'm there, knowing that I'm surrounded
00:32:17.140by the family members, that I'm there with the defendant. It's extremely emotional and it's not
00:32:22.680easy. But when you go through and you say you just want it to be over with, you just want to
00:32:29.840be able to have this is the evidence. Do you agree with it or not? Ask the questions about it.
00:32:35.060But the constant objections, especially with the judge saying over and over, this is allowed by
00:32:41.460the Constitution of Utah over and over the same exact over rulings. It definitely got to the point
00:32:48.960where people are asking, is this all the defense team has because we want an actual trial based
00:32:56.800on the facts and the evidence? And it seemed to be that they were trying to block facts and
00:33:02.900evidence from getting into the public sphere, getting into the courtroom. And it's their job.
00:33:08.440It's certainly their job, by the way, to present those challenges. And there was only one real
00:33:13.480cross-examination that we saw today. And she presented various pieces of challenges to the
00:33:18.460investigator. It was a former UVU police officer who testified she got her cross-examination in.
00:33:24.200You know, she asked certain questions. Did you view this on the tape? Did you view that on the
00:33:27.660tape? All of that, I totally understand that's part of the process. But my goodness, the level
00:33:34.760of objections and nitpicking over every single thing. Let me ask you this question for someone
00:33:40.420who's got experience in this. If that doesn't sit well with me just observing, how does that sit
00:33:47.760when you act like that in front of a jury. Not well, which is why you won't see that in front
00:33:52.880of a jury. That is my prediction. You're seeing a lot of the objections now to perfect the record
00:33:57.680and to be able to determine what will and won't be admissible at trial because a jury's not sitting
00:34:03.240there right now holding all of this against the party that keeps objecting. The jury feels the
00:34:07.720same way you do. They, you know, show me the evidence, tell me the timeline, let me hear the
00:34:11.900witness testify in a stream of questions and answers instead of constant objections so you
00:34:18.080will not see this at trial you are seeing this now in order to make sure that the defense makes
00:34:23.800all the objections legally they have to uh gets a feel for what the judge is going to do down the
00:34:29.220line regardless of you know whether it's going to be two months five months a year god forbid let's
00:34:34.860hope it doesn't go that long but you're getting a preview of the judge's view of what is and isn't
00:34:39.680going to be admissible at trial. So they won't be expending the same amount of effort at trial
00:34:44.300because they've already hashed it out, including the statutes that control some of these rulings
00:34:49.620here at the prelim. In fact, you saw, Jack, that the judge took a minute to look up one of the
00:34:54.700statutes very clearly because, as he said on the record, he wants to be absolutely sure that
00:35:00.220everything is done correctly. Sure he does, because he doesn't want to be trying the case
00:35:04.620again either. He wants everything to go smoothly and accurately the first time.
00:35:11.780Absolutely. And I totally understand the judge's perspective, you know, for him playing the role
00:35:17.820that he has, where he knows that in a case like this, that if there if this goes all the way to
00:35:24.180go to verdict, gets the conviction and being that it's a capital case, that means that if the death
00:35:31.840penalty is in fact reached and is in fact imposed here, then the very first thing that's going to
00:35:37.880happen is that this defense team is going to appeal this all the way up the chain to even
00:35:43.260the Supreme Court if they can. And that means that in each level of those appeals, every single one
00:35:49.320of these decisions is going to be incredibly scrutinized at a microscopic level. And so it
00:35:56.220seems to me that he's thinking backwards from that and saying, I want to give as much leeway
00:36:02.540to the defense as I can so they can't come back and argue that I was partial.
00:36:07.400Exactly. That I was partial and that I made rulings that were not supported by law. Because
00:36:12.700at the end of the day, that's what a reviewing court is going to look at. They're not going to
00:36:17.200look at little credibility determinations that don't themselves implicate legal rulings. They're
00:36:22.960going to look at what is the law? What did the judge find? What facts did he articulate on the
00:36:28.160record that supported his finding? That's why you see this going as slowly as it is. I have to say,
00:36:33.600you know, we still got through a number of witnesses today. Some preliminary examinations,
00:36:38.440you don't even get that far. So I suppose there is some hope that now that we've gotten past some
00:36:44.680of the preliminary objects on the timeline, the killing, the autopsy, the timing, when, who was
00:36:50.000where, who saw what, when. Now we're going to be filling in the blanks with some more meat,
00:36:54.860shall we say. We're going to be learning a little bit more about where was the DNA found.
00:36:59.120What about the statements? And you've heard a lot of objections so far, but you're going to
00:37:03.120actually see some of that evidence rolling in because as you mentioned, Jack, most of those
00:37:07.200objections were overruled. Precisely right. And I just want to say thank you so much for joining
00:37:16.520us. I hope you'll come on later in the week, because we know there's going to be more. I'm
00:37:21.160sure there's going to be lots of questions that we're going to need your legal expertise and
00:37:26.060analysis on. Dr. Wendy, tell people where they can go to follow you in the interim.
00:37:32.540WendyPatrickPhD.com. My PhD, by the way, is in theology. So I was a very close follower of
00:37:37.820Charlie Kirk as well. But that's the best place to follow me on X Twitter or the website. Thank
00:37:42.400you, Jack. Well, thank you so much for saying that. I actually hadn't realized, and I really
00:37:48.800appreciate that. And in fact, it was always Charlie's—it was always his love of Christ
00:37:56.680and his crusade for Christ that was his actual central animating core. It wasn't politics.
00:38:04.900It wasn't elections. Those were all supplemental. It was always about Christ. So thank you so much
00:42:13.920And I hate the fact that we had to go there under these circumstances because if I was
00:42:21.100just touring it, I'm sure I would have enjoyed it, you know, to your point, from the architectural
00:42:25.040standpoint uh the courtyard itself is is it's a lovely spot yeah as far as right as far as it
00:42:32.400just feels so incredibly tainted and in fact that's what um that's what satan does he takes
00:42:40.660beautiful things and he he corrupts them well obviously whenever you design a building you
00:42:45.900prioritizing the how secure it can be isn't high up on the list you try and make it as beautiful
00:42:52.200as possible but i guess my point was we were able to tell you know okay that the roof that he jumped
00:42:58.880off was about 16 feet you know just to confirm that and then was he really able to run that far
00:43:05.060that fast how far away the shot was realistically it was like oh okay and actually we found out that
00:43:11.680he could have had other vantage points but you know why did the sheer amount of stairwells and
00:43:19.420And walkways and vantage points where you could look down into the courtyard were way more than I realized.
00:43:30.420So people thinking that, oh, you know, it would have been so hard to get up.
00:43:34.960No, no, it was actually very easy to get on.
00:43:37.320We walked up on the roof, you know, and obviously the main portion that was testified about today with the two colors of the gravel, that was blocked off.
00:43:47.080But, you know, had that fencing not been there, you could just step right around it and you'd be on the roof.
00:43:59.860And so that's something that I realized that, you know, it was very easy to do so.
00:44:05.380That's why, you know, and obviously there's been a lot of questions from people who haven't gone there and haven't walked the walk like we did.
00:44:13.340And I think that when you actually go there and see it, it really changes your perception of the campus, and you realize, wait a minute, it wouldn't be hard at all for a person to get on top of the Losey Center, and it wouldn't be hard at all to be able to have that line of sight because, as the officer stated, Officer Bagley, that that line of sight from the top of the Losey Center on that fourth tier is straight to the courtyard.
00:44:40.900That's one thing that I realized just yesterday because originally I thought it was too steep, but then once I realized how far back it really was, that angle becomes much more flat.
00:44:52.620Well, and perhaps that, you know, and it seems as though the prosecution, they're saying that Tyler Robinson arrived there four times.
00:45:04.940And so I'm sure that a number of those times their, you know, their argument is going to be that he was finding that perfect vantage point.
00:45:14.900And also, I would like to see more about how premeditated this was, like how smart Tyler really was.
00:45:22.440Why did he pick UVU as opposed to a different campus?
00:45:25.260But also, you know, we saw around UVU.
00:45:28.200He said that that was a campus that was near to his area.
00:45:32.100So that was why he picked it, because he felt that he had spent some time living in Salt Lake City and also had spent time in the area as well.
00:45:40.580And so he felt like Charlie was, again, according to the documents that have come out, he felt that Charlie was invading Utah and creating a threat to his trans lover.
00:45:50.960And so he wanted to defend his trans lover.
00:45:55.620To speak to what you're saying, though, the ease of his path, you know, just behind the campus, there was like vacant lots.
00:46:03.080And then it goes right into a residential neighborhood.
00:46:05.040And we actually did take a drive, and just to say, we actually took a drive down there as well, and we were able, and we didn't want to put this on footage because, you know, obviously there's people who still live there, there's families that live there, but we were able to find very quickly where Tyler Robinson was on these ring cameras, the Nest cameras, where the car was.
00:46:31.220Now, we also know that there was another video that came out today.
00:46:35.400We didn't have that video before, I think.
00:46:58.940it's not a bit it's not like some big expansive area it's it's really really self-contained i
00:47:04.900mean you could see all of it um you know even if you were just walking you could probably walk the
00:47:09.160whole thing in 10 15 minutes yeah as opposed to like you know on the east coast we're we're used
00:47:13.740to like classic campuses with like sprawling entrances really big but this is just a stark
00:47:19.660drop-off and then it's like boom like vacant lot or like right to the residential areas
00:47:25.280So that was surprising for me to see. But also it seemed like, oh, wow, like all of a sudden you have the secure area, which most college campuses are nowadays.
00:47:33.900And then all of a sudden it no longer is. And then it's just right into a neighborhood.
00:47:39.040You know, and I think what can I say, though? It's, you know, it's our last minute here.
00:47:42.480And I'll just say this. I appreciate you being here, having my back as well.
00:47:46.480You know, give a special shout out to Allegiance Gold, of course, for providing us the protection that they are this week while we're out here doing this coverage.
00:47:53.960and today was a quiet day in terms of that