Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - July 07, 2026


Human Events Primetime Special of Tyler Robinson Pretrial - Day Two


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00:00:53.760 Christ is king.
00:00:55.380 Were you able to determine at what time or times Mr. Robinson visited the UVU campus on September 10th?
00:01:06.560 Yeah, we were able to establish that Mr. Robinson had been on campus approximately four times throughout the day, twice before the shooting, the time of the shooting, and then after the shooting later in the evening into the early hours of the 11th.
00:01:25.380 Now what do we see? This is Mr. Robinson returning to the campus on foot from the
00:01:32.340 neighborhood to the Northeast. You can see he's wearing the same clothing as in
00:01:36.100 the previous video and he's carrying a blue backpack. Describe the clothing.
00:01:41.740 It's a maroon colored t-shirt with gray or olive colored shorts and then
00:01:49.180 Converse Shoes.
00:01:50.920 Yes, who is that? I believe that's
00:01:53.240 Tyler Robinson.
00:01:55.240 Where does he go from there?
00:01:57.980 He heads out of the parking
00:01:59.140 garage on foot into the campus
00:02:01.320 and
00:02:03.140 actually goes to the quad area of the campus.
00:02:06.300 At that time, he
00:02:07.120 makes contact with
00:02:08.420 some representatives from TPUSA.
00:02:12.600 Male DNA
00:02:13.060 was obtained from item 7
00:02:14.980 sub 1. Item 7
00:02:17.180 Sub 1 was interpreted as originating from two individuals, one of whom is twigs.
00:02:22.320 The DNA results from item 7 Sub 1 are 1.7 octillion times more likely if twigs and T. Robinson are contributors
00:02:31.320 than if twigs and an unknown, unrelated person are contributors.
00:02:35.040 As the state is turning this into a question of whether Mr. Robinson's views, identity, life are anti-Christian.
00:02:52.340 And that's a huge problem.
00:02:54.440 And the state has created that problem.
00:02:57.900 And this hearing is being broadcast to the entire jury pool.
00:03:01.540 And that's what Mr. McBride just did, is he turned this case into whether Mr. Robinson's life is inconsistent with what Mr. Englehart calls orthodox Christian views.
00:03:18.040 human events daily we're here live in provo utah our special coverage of the charlie kirk
00:03:32.240 murder hearing and today is july 7th 2026 ano domini special shout out of course to our partners
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00:03:50.620 endeavors while we're here. There's more people now showing up at the courthouse, outside the
00:03:55.980 courthouse. It's starting to get packed. It's starting to get heavy. The tension outside is
00:04:02.240 building as is the tension inside. And what can I say? Sitting there just feet away from
00:04:08.200 Charlie's parents Erica sitting quietly but you can see the emotion I had my
00:04:16.960 rosary out other people had wrote the rosaries out as well Tyler Robinson's
00:04:23.440 parents just about one row away there are SWAT officers all over the courtroom
00:04:32.800 in the seating area, in the gallery, and then there's sheriffs up in the front area.
00:04:40.680 And just on the other side of the bar, a couple seats, a couple chairs,
00:04:49.740 and right in the middle, dead center, was the accused assassin himself, Tyler Robinson.
00:04:57.180 And today in court, the evidencing that it's piling up, it's just piling up.
00:05:04.420 There's the surveillance footage, the digital footprints, now the DNA, the forensics coming in,
00:05:11.600 the 95% match of Tyler Robinson's DNA on the towel, then another 89% match on the screwdriver.
00:05:21.820 Again, these are huge numbers that the FBI was putting up in terms of the analysis of those documents.
00:05:30.140 I'm just going over some of my notes here, but this was a huge day.
00:05:35.460 And the biggest piece, I think, that came out today was there was a Bible verse that the defense was very, very, very adamant did not be read in court today.
00:05:49.260 because, of course, it speaks to the motive, the motive of killing Charlie.
00:05:54.760 And, in fact, it was a defense lawyer who became very flustered when he was losing the argument.
00:06:00.000 And he stated that the state is making it out that the motive was anti-Christian,
00:06:10.760 the anti-Christian motive for murdering Charlie Kirk.
00:06:17.000 I want to read that Bible verse to you.
00:06:19.260 The defense tried so hard to block.
00:06:23.520 It's Matthew chapter 19, verses 4 and 5.
00:06:28.560 Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning
00:06:31.980 made them male and female, and said,
00:06:35.760 For this reason a man shall leave his mother and father
00:06:38.860 and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?
00:06:44.340 and we're asking about is there an intersection of politics and
00:06:50.620 religion and i'll tell you right now obviously obviously there is an intersection
00:06:59.200 and we are going to discuss that whether or not the defense likes it because it is part of this
00:07:07.600 case from the start and all the way through to the bitter end jack so big real america's voice
00:07:13.640 I want to thank them for all their support here at Provo, Utah.
00:07:17.160 We'll be right back.
00:07:18.060 Special coverage.
00:07:43.640 All right, folks, Jack Posovic, we're back live here, Provo, Utah, special coverage,
00:07:51.020 Human Events, Daily Real America's Voice. And we want to welcome you back in to the Human Events
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00:09:40.980 now will chamberlain from the article 3 project to go through some of this legal analysis of
00:09:46.800 course i can present my perspective from having been in the courtroom seeing what i saw but will
00:09:52.140 is able to come in here as he always does and has been doing from hearing to hearing to hearing on
00:09:57.960 the actual um on the actual the legal side of all this will how are you i'm doing great jack good to
00:10:05.780 be with you well how would you score the uh the first two days of the hearing day one day two now
00:10:13.160 uh this is this is just an overwhelming presentation of evidence uh by the prosecution
00:10:18.940 i think the robinson defense as far as i can tell didn't score a single point that was relevant
00:10:25.640 There's just an overwhelming amount of evidence of different kinds that all matches the basic story that we've heard for since 48 hours after the shooting, which is that Tyler Robinson did this, you know, managed to bring a .30-06 rifle to the roof of this building, take a shot and then get away.
00:10:44.360 And, I mean, we have the combination of video evidence of him showing up on campus four different times, including a few times on the same day.
00:10:55.060 We have the car that he drove in being registered to him.
00:10:58.040 We have the physical evidence.
00:11:00.180 Obviously, you talked about the DNA evidence of the towel that the gun was found wrapped in, the screwdriver found on the roof in the sniper's perch.
00:11:07.980 And we haven't even gotten to the text communications and the fact, you know, the involvement of his parents in terms of identifying him yet and the whole story of how he ultimately turned himself in.
00:11:19.800 This is this is overwhelming evidence. It's surprising. It's surprising to me that the defense decided that it was a good idea to have a preliminary hearing.
00:11:28.280 I think in their spot, you know, the only burden here that needs to be met is probable cause.
00:11:32.880 and it's been met in spades already.
00:11:34.800 It's kind of interesting that this hearing is continuing on for days and days
00:11:37.640 because if I was in the judge's shoes, I'd feel no problem about going forward
00:11:41.780 and saying there's probable cause here, let's set a trial date.
00:11:47.120 Well, and it just goes to show you that, look, for example,
00:11:52.220 in the second half of the day today, we have this DNA evidence that's introduced.
00:11:58.340 the forensic tech shows us that, okay, there's two individuals that were found on these two
00:12:06.520 items. This was the screwdriver and then the towel. And she's saying, look, there's a 95%
00:12:13.960 match to Tyler Robinson on one, 5% to Twigs. Then the other one was 89% Tyler Robinson. The second
00:12:21.040 Someone was the minor contributor.
00:12:22.880 That was 11% again to Lance Twiggs.
00:12:27.080 And so we get that piece of information in, and then the defense spends, I'd have to go
00:12:33.960 back and look, almost three hours of time just filibustering about whether or not DNA
00:12:41.660 evidence itself, the science of DNA, can be used to match someone and the standards of
00:12:48.200 the FBI lab at Quantico and over and over and over. And I have to say, I think the FBI tech
00:12:53.160 handled herself very well. And to me, she gave a masterclass in, I guess what I would call
00:12:59.940 positive demeanor, the power of positive demeanor in that she was never competitive.
00:13:06.180 She was never argumentative, but she was firm and she was positive. She was always very polite.
00:13:12.640 You know, she would sort of say, no, I don't agree with that actually. And she would walk
00:13:17.720 through her reasons why but never snapped never lost her temper and clearly someone who's highly
00:13:24.860 skilled highly capable and very proud of the work that she did so again to your point i don't think
00:13:30.780 the defense scored points there i think they lost points clearly with the judge who you know i don't
00:13:36.260 know if you could see on live stream as much but in person he seemed to be getting extremely
00:13:40.900 frustrated with the defense oh i'm sure he was i mean the the idea that you know you're you're
00:13:46.620 going to waste my time in a preliminary hearing. It's not even the trial yet. You're not talking
00:13:49.860 the jury. You're literally trying to persuade me, the judge, that there's no probable cause. That's
00:13:54.160 theoretically what you're trying to accomplish here as the defense. And your way of doing that
00:13:58.620 is to try and tell me that DNA evidence isn't real and that DNA's technology is fake. And that's
00:14:03.640 your argument for probable cause. And you don't have an expert coming up to testify to that effect.
00:14:08.860 No, it's just you, the defense lawyer, trying to tell me about how DNA is fake. I mean, think about
00:14:13.860 two things, right? Think about, first off, how many criminal trials has this judge dealt with
00:14:19.360 over his career? I mean, he's probably dealt with dozens, maybe hundreds. Many of them will
00:14:25.660 have involved DNA evidence. So he's going to be personally quite familiar with the science of DNA
00:14:30.760 evidence, actually, because he's probably heard a lot of experts testify about it. And he's probably
00:14:34.960 going to have sent a lot of people to jail on the basis of DNA evidence. So for the defense lawyers
00:14:38.560 to think it would be a really good strategy to just attack DNA evidence as a general matter,
00:14:44.020 as a general idea, and attack the underlying science of DNA evidence, broadly speaking.
00:14:50.100 The idea that that would be a useful way for him to spend time is ridiculous.
00:14:53.520 So I'm not surprised that the judge would have betrayed some impatience with this line of questioning.
00:15:00.440 Certainly, and the extensive, extensive nature of it, bringing up textbooks, studies from 20 years ago.
00:15:07.140 And I might add, and something that a few of us noted, that he brought up, I guess, a commission from the Obama Department of Justice that was pushing back.
00:15:19.180 And I thought, my goodness, here's something for us to maybe dig in on a later episode to see exactly what the Eric Holder Department of Justice was trying to do in undercutting DNA evidence, because that's clearly what they were trying to do.
00:15:32.280 And I I really did appreciate how the FBI tech just Amanda Baker just just really dismissed it out of out of hand.
00:15:38.600 Those aren't experts. That was political.
00:15:40.800 You know, it was like it was just just completely, completely rejected that entire line of argument.
00:15:47.520 Yeah, I mean, I think that this is obviously going to go nowhere.
00:15:50.940 And in particular, it's not going to go anywhere at a preliminary hearing in front of a judge.
00:15:54.600 You know, maybe they can find a juror who's skeptical of this stuff.
00:15:57.360 And maybe that's the point.
00:15:58.280 Maybe this is all to further sort of online conspiracy theorizing, giving something to the baying mobs to say, ah, you can you could ignore this DNA evidence and continue spewing your nonsense on podcasts.
00:16:11.100 You know, maybe that's the point of these lines of questioning.
00:16:14.120 If the audience is not the audience is actually the few podcasters and diehards who really do want to continue this narrative that Tyler Robinson didn't do it.
00:16:23.980 I think that that might be what the defense is trying to accomplish here to sort of, you know, continue to muddy the public waters in this respect.
00:16:30.640 But certainly I don't think the judge is impressed in the slightest.
00:16:33.540 no and and and neither were really anyone in the courtroom that i spoke with and it it really seemed
00:16:43.860 to be an exercise in what can we do to delay what can we do to obfuscate rather than actually focus
00:16:51.300 on the very clear evidence that is now coming out and one of which and i i would love and i can't
00:16:59.060 can't wait for it to come out online, but the fact that it remains to be seen that we
00:17:04.320 now have 4K quality footage of Tyler Robinson, it's obviously him, walking around on campus,
00:17:13.060 walking around on the day of, changing his outfits, and the judge didn't play it in court,
00:17:19.200 but zoomed in footage of him prone in the sniper position, crawling across the roof,
00:17:27.300 Taking the shot and then running back across the roof to jump down.
00:17:32.260 I mean, well, I've been heard a lot of people, you know, kind of saying that people who are on the fence, that that footage, just the high quality footage of him walking around campus really started to change their minds.
00:17:44.800 Yeah, I should hope so.
00:17:46.180 I mean, it's and this is not this is just the beginning.
00:17:50.220 I mean, we're still the preliminary hearing.
00:17:51.940 We haven't even gotten to the trial presentation of this stuff.
00:17:54.300 My goodness.
00:17:54.820 you got to think about how much else they're going to have how you know when they get to the real
00:17:58.680 live testimonial evidence you know it sounds like they're also going to be putting twigs his
00:18:03.280 boyfriend on the stand what's twigs going to say i mean nothing nothing twigs said to robinson is
00:18:09.380 privileged i just real quick on that i believe they are going to be doing a taped testimony
00:18:17.060 and playing a tape of that here at the preliminary hearing uh to your point obviously yes he will
00:18:22.260 go on the stand at the trial but that's something where and we'll see um whether or not that
00:18:28.320 actually gets played this week because uh certainly things are taking their time here
00:18:35.140 in provo utah special coverage human events prime time the tyler robinson hearings right back jack
00:18:42.900 Posobiec, Real America's Voice.
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00:19:03.840 He's done a great job.
00:19:09.100 All right, folks.
00:19:10.320 Jack Posobiec back live here.
00:19:13.240 Welcome back to Human Events' special primetime coverage of the Tyler Robinson hearings.
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00:20:43.220 I want to get Will Chamberlain back on here.
00:20:46.620 And, Will, there's so much that's come out in terms of all of this, the video, the surveillance footage, the digital prints.
00:20:56.080 And one thing that I want to point out, there was something, it was just a little tidbit that Agent Hull had mentioned early on, the former SBI special agent.
00:21:08.100 But one of the things that he mentioned was that, just a new nugget of information, but that Tyler Robinson ate Chick-fil-A prior to going and getting the rifle from the car and coming back to campus.
00:21:19.700 Now, I'm sure that's something that people can make a lot of hay about, but there's actually something significant there, and it's similar to this report that he was at a Dairy Queen afterwards.
00:21:33.700 Afterwards, if he was making purchases there using a credit card or a debit card that can be tied directly to him,
00:21:43.660 which means that aside from just having this high quality footage, we can also see things like having his credit card and debit card, finding that digital transaction.
00:21:55.080 We can then use those finances to say, yes, this was his card in the same way that having the police officer with that interaction late at night had the license plate, which was independent.
00:22:06.120 And I guess, well, what I'm saying is, is that there are going to now be more ways to even further corroborate this bombshell video that's coming out in court today.
00:22:16.760 That's right. You know, I think I didn't actually think of that personally, but yes, you're right.
00:22:20.660 If he was, you know, any sort of financial transactions, which is as simple as buying food or buying gas, is going to, if he used his credit card or the credit card of somebody, his family, it's going to place it at the scene or, you know, on campus.
00:22:34.180 And remember, I mean, he lives multiple hours away.
00:22:36.360 There's no reason for him to be there.
00:22:37.780 Why is he, you know, why is he showing up four times in a day?
00:22:40.940 What's he doing if not this?
00:22:42.660 so you have i mean you just have and that's going to be layered on top of if he brought his phone
00:22:48.480 then is there's going to be a whole phone signature about where his location was vis-a-vis the phone
00:22:53.060 records um so you're going to have all these different layers of evidence that are going to
00:22:58.140 place robinson at the scene and put the gun in his hands and you know i think what the defense
00:23:04.160 is going to try and do it's like okay maybe you ask your question about one individual piece of
00:23:08.480 evidence like okay you try and say dna evidence is fake and we don't know that it's real okay but
00:23:12.840 but then you've got four or five other layers of evidence that place him on that roof so you're
00:23:17.460 are those all fake too you know is everything fake none of that's going to work and it's not
00:23:23.240 going to work on a normal jury um it's certainly not going to persuade a judge you know they're
00:23:28.640 really just at this point the judge is just going to keep being annoyed if the if the defense is
00:23:32.540 just going to you know basically going full-on epistemology like how do we actually know that
00:23:37.800 dna evidence works how do we know that do you you know who was behind the camera how do you know
00:23:42.880 this video evidence is real etc etc etc that's just not going to impress anybody
00:23:46.660 no again and and you know little things like saying well can you really see the uh the markings
00:23:55.360 on that shirt or i think uh kathy nester at one point was asking um the agent you know did you
00:24:01.420 tell if if anyone had gone up on that roof after you had left the roof and they secured it but
00:24:06.680 before this video i mean just just nitpicking these these little things that don't actually
00:24:13.940 add up to anything because we can see on the video that there's nobody else on the roof it's right
00:24:18.520 there on video so no he didn't need to go and physically look himself because it's right there
00:24:23.480 on video so people can can see all this and so will to your point uh any of the the points that
00:24:28.880 they think they're going to be making are actually all falling by the wayside or ultimately just uh
00:24:35.720 just delaying the inevitable because this evidence is all going to be presented they're not going to
00:24:41.820 get rid of the dna evidence they're not going to get rid of the ballistics evidence they're not
00:24:46.520 going to get rid of the autopsy and so even though these things okay we can't publish it publicly
00:24:50.600 etc etc yes okay that's okay that's you know perhaps a a fleeting victory for you right now
00:24:57.580 but ultimately that's still evidence in court that's going to be building a case that is very
00:25:03.700 much sacked against your client. Yeah, I mean, this is one of those circumstances where it's
00:25:09.360 going to be extremely difficult for them to tell a competing story. That's normally what
00:25:13.760 good criminal defense lawyers look like for this. Like, you know, you have all this evidence that's
00:25:18.380 going to be admitted. And if it points to your client, you need some sort of alternate explanation
00:25:22.040 for why it's true, you know, or what happened that is innocent. And there is no, the problem
00:25:29.020 is there is not going to be an innocent explanation for the overwhelming mountain of evidence that's
00:25:33.440 points to ty robinson being the shooter here uh and so as a result you know this is the kind of
00:25:38.780 case where you know if you're a defense lawyer in a normal world you're trying to tell your client
00:25:43.060 to plea out i think it's it's kind of you normally don't see cases like this with such an overwhelming
00:25:47.720 amount of evidence go to trial there's sort of an understanding that these these cases need to be
00:25:52.020 put out by the defense lawyer i think the unique thing here is because this was a public assassination
00:25:57.020 of a major political figure in our friend certainly you know yeah certainly we will see
00:26:02.540 will chamberlain where can people go to follow you at will chamberlain on x and you can follow
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00:26:12.380 human events primetime continues
00:26:13.820 where's jack where is he jack i want to see you
00:26:29.640 great job jack thank you what a job you do you know we have an incredible thing we're always
00:26:37.080 talking about the fake news and the bad but we have guys and these are the guys should be getting
00:26:42.040 all right jack posobik we're really excited to welcome you back to human events prime time
00:26:53.260 here on Real America's Voice.
00:26:55.400 Want to give a shout out as well
00:26:57.300 to the Real America's Voice team
00:27:00.880 for all of their support
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00:27:05.540 in Provo, Utah.
00:27:07.560 I want to bring on now our next guest,
00:27:09.140 Andrea Burkhart of Andrea Burkhart Law.
00:27:11.740 Andrea, how are you?
00:27:13.740 Thank you, Jack.
00:27:17.280 Well, thanks so much for joining us.
00:27:19.040 Now, you know, I'm here in the courtroom,
00:27:21.140 so I'm not able to be able to watch
00:27:22.840 your live streams, which is normally how I really enjoy to watch these. So I wanted to say thank
00:27:28.600 you for putting them out there. But it also, of course, means I miss your analysis. So I wanted
00:27:33.340 to get you on here to hear how is it that you're sort of scoring these first two days of the
00:27:38.980 hearing thus far? Do you think the prosecution is doing what they need to do? And what's your
00:27:44.480 sense of how the defense is? Yeah, absolutely. I think that at this point, there's very little
00:27:49.840 question, the prosecution is going to mean its burden to show probable cause to justify the
00:27:54.460 charge. It's not a particularly high burden, especially in Utah with some of the just legal
00:28:01.440 nuances that apply to the standard there. That said, I do think the defense has
00:28:07.280 taken the opportunity to try to point out some open questions, some possible holes that may need
00:28:16.840 to be closed or at least examined at some point in the investigation. So it's giving us a little
00:28:22.520 bit of a clue about how they may be working towards generating a probable cause, I'm sorry,
00:28:30.000 a case for reasonable doubt. Well, and that does seem to be what they're attempting to do. And so
00:28:39.340 while that doesn't obviously matter in terms of the jury, because there is no jury yet,
00:28:44.040 clearly it's intended for public consumption. And again, to your point, kind of showing the
00:28:51.680 cards of this is going to be what we're going to hear more of in the evidentiary hearings and then
00:28:57.000 eventually the trial itself. Yeah, very much so. And frankly, I think you're correct that a lot of
00:29:08.020 what the defense is doing in this process is really geared towards the public perception of
00:29:12.880 the case and the case for guilt, the possible arguments for innocence. What the defense is
00:29:19.360 notably not doing is aligning itself with any kind of alternative theories of what happened.
00:29:27.100 They aren't buying into like some of the narratives that we see online in the commentary and so forth.
00:29:33.260 They really aren't asserting an alternative viewpoint at all at this point. And that's
00:29:39.200 really not surprising because it's a card that they're going to want to hold as close to the
00:29:46.440 vest as they can for as long as possible. But we are seeing the way that they are trying to chip
00:29:52.640 away at the cracks. And in so doing, I think trying to shift the narrative at least enough
00:29:59.920 to encourage prospective jurors to keep an open mind. There may not be full answers to every
00:30:07.740 question at this stage. And I think that is an important reminder that we do need to wait to
00:30:14.500 hear what the defense has to say before we reach definitive conclusions. But that said, in terms of
00:30:21.560 the goals of this particular hearing and establishing the legal justification to move
00:30:27.420 forward to trial, I don't think that's going to be a difficult question at this point.
00:30:31.760 no it seems as though the judge is um you know is is playing it as fair as he can um in terms of
00:30:42.700 what he's allowing what he's not allowing he's clearly allowing pretty much everything into
00:30:47.180 evidence the question of course is uh and i think of you every time he says that uh something can't
00:30:52.620 be shown on the uh on the public live stream i said oh andrea's probably scowling about that
00:30:57.320 Thank you. Yeah, no, I think that Judge Graff has shown an enormous amount of grace and generosity towards the defense in this case.
00:31:09.260 We saw this, I think, most notably this afternoon with the questioning of the DNA analyst. This was really an accommodation from the state to kind of allow this analyst to be called by the defense in the first place.
00:31:24.400 And then to kind of permit this very extended questioning that under the specific rules that apply to Utah and the defense's right to present witnesses really doesn't seem to fit squarely within that.
00:31:40.300 So he does seem to be exercising an abundance of caution to make sure that he is as fair to the defense as possible.
00:31:47.200 And he's giving them ample opportunity to make their position known.
00:31:54.400 Well, he is. But I would note that towards the end of the end of the session today, he really started pointing out the clock.
00:32:03.720 He started reminding them that, you know, we're winding down, talking about, hey, you have now spent two, almost three hours going down the line here.
00:32:13.620 What what exactly do you want? I got the sense that he was pretty much done.
00:32:19.700 oh i think so too but you notice it wasn't a hard yank on the leash he did not lay down the law
00:32:27.220 or stop the process or anything like that he really kept inviting uh mr burt to uh you speed
00:32:34.800 things along wrap it up uh the closest he really got was um uh putting some limits on on some of
00:32:42.600 the questions that that mr burt wanted to ask when mr bride would object and say all right i'll let
00:32:47.140 you ask this one and then we're going to move on. So really, I think trying to always find that
00:32:53.120 middle ground between what he really wants to do and what is going to leave the defense with
00:32:59.780 the fewest arguments that they didn't get a fair shake in this process.
00:33:06.260 Yeah, that's right. And I thought that Mr. McBride responding there did very well with his
00:33:12.120 objections to speed things along saying, look, this is, you know, the relevance here is not
00:33:17.200 germane to these proceedings. This is something for an evidentiary hearing. This isn't really
00:33:21.460 what this preliminary hearing is all about. We're just trying to determine probable cause here. We
00:33:26.560 don't have to have this whole argument about whether DNA science is real or not, which is
00:33:30.980 clearly what Mr. Byrd was trying to do. But I also thought that earlier in the day regarding that
00:33:41.580 that 1102 that Mr. Novak on the front of the defense team had argued against. And again,
00:33:46.620 Mr. McBride presenting his his attempt to and really did, by the way, I think, overcome the
00:33:54.340 objection regarding a certain 1102 statement, getting into the motives or potential motives of
00:34:00.940 the defendant here talking about how how Turning Point has a a Christian mission, a political
00:34:07.980 mission. And I thought that actually it was sort of interesting because it seemed like the judge
00:34:14.060 was going to rule in favor of the objection at first with Mr. Novak, but then it almost felt
00:34:21.100 like Mr. Novak kind of just talked himself out of the win and talked himself, just went way,
00:34:27.560 way further than he needed to getting into these really philosophical questions of politics and
00:34:34.000 religion and where does it all mix? And I think at that point, that's where he lost the judge.
00:34:38.880 I think you might be right. I'm a Mr. Novak fan myself. I've reviewed a lot of his history,
00:34:46.760 his practice, the work that he's done. And as a fellow defense attorney, I have great admiration
00:34:51.980 for a lot of things that he's accomplished. But I do have to agree that I think Mr. Novak
00:34:57.740 may have a tendency to be his own worst enemy sometimes when it comes to brevity.
00:35:03.060 The problem is the more you talk, the greater opportunity you give, number one, the other side to think of their response to what you're saying, but also the judge's opportunity to kind of process it as well and come up with objections.
00:35:18.400 I think the initial point that Mr. Novak was making, the state charged Tyler Robinson under one very specific aggravator that deals with political expression. There is a separate aggravator specifically for religious motivation. It wasn't charged. For whatever reason, that was the decision.
00:35:38.380 And I think had he made that point and kind of left it there, we might have gotten a different outcome. But the problem is, is that just through the digging into it and the continuing to speak, it gave the judge a lot of time to start thinking about, well, but isn't there a lot of overlap between these things?
00:35:58.960 And I think ultimately that's what led him to rule the way he did, is that it's simply not as clear and fine a distinction as it might be when you're writing it down in a statute on paper.
00:36:12.740 and that was my that was my thinking as well and and it really you know allowed the opportunity to
00:36:19.740 bring in so many of those questions uh gender issues and christianity and politics and marriage
00:36:26.280 and all of these things that probably wouldn't have been talked about otherwise uh we're taking
00:36:31.280 a quick break here we're on with andrea burkhart from andrea burkhart law this is
00:36:36.120 human events primetime special coverage real america's voice
00:36:39.720 I can say confidently, I believe, I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential
00:36:57.920 nominee if it wasn't for Jack Posobiec.
00:36:59.480 And that is, I'll be honest.
00:37:04.940 You testified about Exhibits 7 and 8, that they both had mixtures.
00:37:09.720 excuse me yes item seven and eight and you're testing the the of these items
00:37:14.640 that they both had mixtures and you state I want to make sure I understood
00:37:17.960 this you stated I believe that the minor sample the minor contributor was less
00:37:23.620 than 20% and it was actually 5% the ratio is 5% to 95%
00:37:27.420 yes you remember that yes does that mean the 5% was from twigs and the 95% that
00:37:33.420 that 95% is assumed from the defendants be the Robinson when I calculate the
00:37:39.240 statistic. Twigs' DNA profile aligned with the 5% contributor and Mr. Robinson's DNA profile aligned
00:37:44.700 better with the 95% contributor. Okay, same question with regard to eight. I think you said
00:37:48.160 the ratio was 11% from the minor and 89% from the major. Is that Twigs being the 11% and
00:37:54.180 Robinson being the 89%? Yes, Twigs better aligned with that 11% contributor and Mr. Robinson better
00:37:59.340 aligned with that 79% contributor. All right, Jack Posobiec back, Human Events,
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00:38:34.440 And we're on again with Andrea Burkhart from Andrea Burkhart Law.
00:38:37.820 She is one of the best YouTubers out there.
00:38:40.520 LawTube, they call it, to make sure you go and check it out.
00:38:43.940 But it is not for the faint of heart because she is going to give it to you the way she sees it.
00:38:49.500 She does not take sides, and that is why we like her so much.
00:38:53.160 Andrea, before we go today, you know, I guess one of the things that I wanted to ask is that, you know,
00:39:00.720 Here we are day two. Tomorrow's a half day in court. I'm hearing I hear things in the courtroom, hear things in the courthouse that the people had expected to be further along than we are already.
00:39:16.580 We've really only had three witnesses thus far. Do you think there's a possibility that this goes beyond Friday?
00:39:25.220 It is possible. I would have said up until this afternoon that I would have considered them to be approximately on schedule, just given the number of witnesses that they anticipated and the time that's been allocated.
00:39:38.940 But I do think that this afternoon likely came as a bit of a surprise to everybody in the courtroom about how long the defense was expecting to spend on this one particular issue and this one particular witness.
00:39:56.080 I'm anticipating the court is already looking down the road to the defenses planning to call
00:40:03.480 two other experts. And, you know, if they give them the similar treatment that they gave this
00:40:08.580 expert today, then yes, we could be significantly behind schedule in terms of being able to wrap
00:40:15.520 things up. So because of that, I kind of anticipate that we may see a tighter leash on that in the
00:40:22.940 coming days, just to ensure that if at all possible, they're able to get things done by Friday.
00:40:31.740 Yeah, I noticed that as well, because it's something where the, you know, the clock
00:40:36.220 management is really coming into play and where, you know, clearly the prosecutors are wanting to
00:40:43.720 present their evidence. They want to get it out there. They want to show it to the judge in terms
00:40:47.980 of his magisterial role of providing, of getting that. And by the way, I really like the fact that
00:40:54.720 this is done in a public setting as opposed to a grand jury, because a grand jury, that means all
00:41:01.240 of this would be behind closed doors. And in fact, it is more beneficial to the defendant as well,
00:41:08.240 because it allows for cross-examination, which doesn't exist in a grand jury situation. And of
00:41:13.260 course, for those of us who want everything to be public and want this transparency.
00:41:17.040 We are getting that at the same time, though, again, to your point that there really are
00:41:23.400 these questions of the limitations of time and the fact that we only have two and a half
00:41:28.060 days left.
00:41:29.440 That is the tradeoff.
00:41:30.880 I mean, when you give the defensive voice, they're going to use it.
00:41:33.900 And again, Judge Graff is, I think, doing everything reasonably within his power to
00:41:40.600 make sure he's giving the defense every opportunity so that they can't come back at some future point
00:41:46.620 and suggest that they weren't able to make their record or make their case on on a particular
00:41:51.500 issue. So it's it's not ideal. Time management is always a challenge in in the court process
00:41:58.420 because you can't control what the other side is doing. The judge has a little bit more control
00:42:03.820 over everybody, but even him, he can't you know, he runs the risk of violating important procedural
00:42:10.240 rights if he cuts people off kind of arbitrarily or gives them a preset time and they realistically
00:42:17.100 need more. So I think he's he's trying to walk the tightrope here as best as he can. But
00:42:23.640 efficiency is always a concern in our extremely busy courtrooms across the country.
00:42:32.280 No, it certainly is. And and to that point, you know, even given the high profile nature of this,
00:42:37.960 it goes to show that there's still a lot of work that needs to be done. There's a lot of work that
00:42:42.860 needs to go into it, and they are clearly doing so. What do you think that we should expect to
00:42:48.040 look for in the next coming days? Well, what seems to be the way that the state is presenting
00:42:55.240 their case here is they're presenting it kind of chronologically showing how the investigation
00:43:01.220 unfolded. So they've already shown us the shooting, the scene, the kind of immediate
00:43:07.460 response, the surveillance. And we've only just barely started to touch on the evidence that
00:43:13.840 they obtained once Mr. Robinson did surrender. And then they were able to have the conversations
00:43:20.100 with Mr. Twiggs. They were able to get the photographs of the evidence from the telephone
00:43:25.540 and things along those lines. So I expect that's what we're building up to over the coming days.
00:43:30.880 The question just kind of from a logistical standpoint is really where they intend to work in these other anticipated to be federal expert witnesses that the defense intends to call.
00:43:45.720 They're always going to work around witnesses like that because they're flying in from the East Coast.
00:43:50.820 They're going to want to accommodate that.
00:43:53.260 So they'll kind of build the schedule around when those folks are available.
00:43:58.320 And that's just a piece of information that we don't have.
00:44:03.740 That's exactly right.
00:44:05.220 And, you know, when we look at it as well in terms of what's coming in and how long,
00:44:12.680 I will say today that we did seem to have fewer objections that, again, McBride, he's my star of the day,
00:44:19.800 just in terms of process and getting things going.
00:44:23.260 that, you know, right at the very start saying, look, you guys made your blanket objection.
00:44:28.180 It's a standing objection. We get it. You don't have to keep getting up and doing it over and
00:44:32.600 over and over. And by the way, that's certainly something that if you do in front of a jury,
00:44:36.680 I can't imagine is going to win you any points. Yeah, I think that was a big improvement to the
00:44:42.220 day. And I also think, frankly, it was helpful that it was Mr. Burt who fielded that objection
00:44:46.720 for the defense and not Mrs. Nestor, who was the one who, you know, did most of the objecting
00:44:54.340 in the previous parts of the hearing. But it really does. I understand why the defense
00:45:01.940 was doing that. There are so many procedural pitfalls when it comes to preserving your
00:45:07.800 rights for future review. And they just want to be super careful that there is no argument,
00:45:12.860 that they have waived something because their objection wasn't specific enough or, you know,
00:45:18.100 didn't clearly apply to this piece of evidence that is being addressed in court. So I do understand
00:45:24.480 that. But at the same time, it is extremely aggravating for everybody to kind of have to
00:45:29.620 endure it. So the judge's ability to kind of talk them off the ledge with that is something that
00:45:36.880 we're i think all a little grateful for i couldn't i couldn't agree more especially uh especially
00:45:43.640 being there and and uh you know just wanting to wanting to get the story out wanting to get the
00:45:48.260 procedure going andrew burkhart we have to run we're out of time where can people go to follow
00:45:52.420 you uh find me on andreaburkhart.substack.com that's where i have the archive of the legal
00:45:58.980 documents that i'm collecting in this case you can also find me at aburkhartlaw is my handle
00:46:05.280 You can find me under that handle on YouTube and Twitter.
00:46:09.160 Thanks.
00:46:10.940 All right.
00:46:11.660 Thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen.
00:46:13.060 As always, you have our permission to lay ashore.