Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - September 25, 2025


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47 minutes

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170.65662

Word Count

8,186

Sentence Count

691

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

2


Summary

This is what happens when the Fourth Turning meets Fifth Generation Warfare: A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran Blake Neff joins host Jack Posobiec in the Charlie Kirk Studio to talk about how he went from being a behind-the-scenes guy to being thrust into the spotlight.


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
00:00:40.820 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
00:00:47.480 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
00:00:50.540 Christ is king.
00:00:53.580 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily here live in Phoenix, Arizona.
00:00:58.640 We're in the Charlie Kirk studio.
00:01:00.860 I'm joined by Blake Neff, who's been on the show quite a few many times.
00:01:05.180 But for the first time, we've got...
00:01:07.560 Now, normally I would say producer Andrew, but I think it's Andrew Colvitt now.
00:01:11.820 Yeah.
00:01:12.160 What's up, man?
00:01:12.540 I've graduated.
00:01:13.180 I got a last name now.
00:01:14.240 We've done so many shows together, and we talk every day, but you've never actually been on my show before.
00:01:19.620 Yeah.
00:01:20.020 It is a weird truth.
00:01:22.020 I don't know how we've gotten this far, but I think it was just because I was a behind-the-scenes guy.
00:01:27.780 Well, for a guest guy before, you know, you would do thought crime, do you stream sometimes, or if, like, if Charlie was out, you would...
00:01:35.660 Guest host his show.
00:01:36.400 You would do that.
00:01:37.000 Let me interview you for a second.
00:01:38.520 Hmm.
00:01:38.780 What's it like going from the behind-the-scenes guy to all of a sudden being thrust into this?
00:01:49.960 You know, I think if it was just out of nowhere, it would be really disorienting, but I was with Charlie...
00:01:57.000 I mean, it was kind of out of nowhere.
00:01:58.220 No, no, no.
00:01:58.600 It was out of nowhere, certainly.
00:02:00.840 Everything that's...
00:02:01.640 The last two weeks are completely out of nowhere, but I would say that I was...
00:02:04.800 I just mean in the sense that it wasn't by choice.
00:02:06.640 No, of course.
00:02:07.300 I was thrust into a position.
00:02:09.240 Erica looked at me, and she said, you're our spokesman, which I was the spokesman at Turning Point in Charlie's life, but I would mostly handle, you know, reporters.
00:02:17.080 It's like comments or articles.
00:02:18.320 Yeah, like I would fight on behalf of the organization when we were getting smeared or lied or slandered about.
00:02:23.720 Charlie was the guy doing the interview.
00:02:25.100 Yeah, and so Charlie was the public face and public person.
00:02:28.760 You know, he would do the Fox News interviews and things like that.
00:02:31.180 So, yeah, I mean, it has evolved, and, you know, Erica was just like, you're our spokesman, be our spokesman.
00:02:36.040 And I was like, okay, yes, ma'am, here we go.
00:02:38.480 And, yeah, I mean, so all that to say, I was used to it in the sense, not that I was doing it, but I've been with Charlie doing it for so long.
00:02:48.740 And I've seen, I know the world pretty inside and out from my previous vantage point that it's not, like, it's not shocking or weird or unexpected.
00:02:58.620 It's just, yeah, I mean, it's different being the person that's on Fox or that's doing the podcast.
00:03:05.020 That certainly is different.
00:03:06.540 A little bit more incoming this way, isn't it?
00:03:08.240 Yeah, 1,000%.
00:03:09.220 Or, you know, somebody makes some comment about you, and you're like, I have no idea where they got that.
00:03:13.680 And all of a sudden, it's your name that's being sort of mentioned.
00:03:18.660 And most people have been so positive.
00:03:21.520 You know, I think that's the nature of what happened to Charlie.
00:03:24.140 I think everybody's, you know, generally, you know, just has a lot of sympathy for what we're all going through as a team.
00:03:32.500 And so it's been mostly wonderful.
00:03:35.400 I've gotten more love and support and prayers from people than I probably deserve.
00:03:41.160 And I just, I'm so grateful for that outpouring.
00:03:45.000 And I know it won't always be like that.
00:03:47.260 But I also would say Charlie, just being with Charlie in the trenches for the last eight years, I was, in a weird way, I was prepared just by osmosis.
00:03:58.760 Yeah, but I guess the different part is that before the Arrows were directed at Charlie, and you were there to kind of, like, help him with that.
00:04:09.280 Yeah.
00:04:09.900 But now they're directed at you.
00:04:11.420 Yeah, and again, maybe I'm like, yeah, I was going to say, if you come for Erica, then it's, yeah, it's totally, oh, it's totally different.
00:04:18.580 And, you know, I would just like to remind everybody, you know, we're real people.
00:04:23.000 We're flawed people.
00:04:24.140 We're not going to get everything right.
00:04:25.460 Not every tweet will be precisely worded the right way.
00:04:27.920 Has nobody sat down and, like, explained to you all the things you're supposed to be doing and gave you the rule book for when all of this happens?
00:04:34.180 There's no rule book.
00:04:34.980 I would just say that we are real people.
00:04:36.700 We have families.
00:04:37.400 We have feelings, too.
00:04:39.440 You know, be gentle with us as we embark on this.
00:04:43.520 Families, by the way, that have been very accepting and supportive of.
00:04:48.820 The real MVPs.
00:04:49.900 And that goes for Tanya as well as my wife and family.
00:04:53.400 And they keep us upright and they've been so encouraging.
00:04:57.280 And, yeah, I mean, listen, I think sometimes, you know, you just get thrust into different roles and God, you've got to lean into God.
00:05:05.860 And I have there was a moment, I guess, on Alex Clark's show that's gone viral.
00:05:11.520 When I did the podcast last week, it was, you know, we filmed it a week ago.
00:05:15.700 But I was talking about it was the Saturday after it happened.
00:05:20.640 And I noticed that I was, you know, kind of I was feeling afraid.
00:05:24.800 I was feeling unsure.
00:05:26.240 It was it was hard.
00:05:27.300 You know what?
00:05:28.360 I didn't know it was going to be expected of me.
00:05:30.220 I didn't know it was going to be coming next.
00:05:32.440 And it was and it was hard.
00:05:33.820 And I sat in my hotel room alone and I just I had a moment of surrender where I just said, OK, fine.
00:05:42.000 God, whatever you have for me, whatever it is you need of me, I will say yes.
00:05:48.000 I will say yes.
00:05:48.820 I accept what you have in the next coming days, weeks, months.
00:05:53.720 And as soon as I let go, I felt peace.
00:05:58.700 And so I'm operating out of a place of God has this for me.
00:06:01.440 And I just I'm saying yes.
00:06:02.720 Well, I mean, I'm sitting here and we're coming up on the break.
00:06:05.260 But, you know, you've been doing a great job, man.
00:06:07.140 I've been watching it and seeing it and, you know, grading you, as I tell you on a regular basis.
00:06:14.960 Jack's my harshest critic.
00:06:16.160 And I'll be like, Andrew, no, not like this.
00:06:18.280 You gave me a B, I think, one of my first interviews.
00:06:21.780 And that was that was a B.
00:06:23.200 But then you need to be plus on stage.
00:06:24.540 Well, thank you.
00:06:25.200 Yeah.
00:06:26.180 You've been fantastic, too, though, Jack, and a real source of strength for the team.
00:06:29.980 And you've you've uprooted your life to come be with us here in these days.
00:06:33.560 And I'll never forget it.
00:06:35.140 So thank you for just just being a true brother and a friend and an ally.
00:06:39.940 It's just what you got to do.
00:06:41.640 All right.
00:06:42.440 I think you didn't get to Blake very much.
00:06:44.280 Blake's here, too.
00:06:45.100 And we love him.
00:06:46.480 And he's great.
00:06:47.820 And the beard looks really good.
00:06:48.940 Blake, just just love it on everybody for a minute here.
00:06:51.260 Yeah, why not?
00:06:51.760 But yeah, it might as well.
00:06:53.840 And also, we need to crush the violent left.
00:06:56.020 And well, that, of course, is the is the topic here for today.
00:07:00.560 But I know you guys got to run.
00:07:01.960 Thank you for being here.
00:07:03.460 And thought crime later tonight.
00:07:05.100 Thought crime tonight.
00:07:05.880 Tune in.
00:07:06.260 It's going to be a good one.
00:07:07.160 Blake's already pulling up data.
00:07:08.440 I see here.
00:07:09.840 Very, very thought crime statistics.
00:07:12.040 Let's go.
00:07:13.740 Let's go.
00:07:15.300 Oh, my gosh.
00:07:21.760 And in our way in our golden age has just begun.
00:07:27.280 This is Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
00:07:29.060 Now it's time for everyone to understand what America First truly means.
00:07:33.720 Welcome to the second American Revolution.
00:07:38.140 All right, Jack Posobiec.
00:07:43.160 We are back live here.
00:07:45.740 Human Events Daily.
00:07:46.900 We had an incredible event last night for Turning Point USA, which is held at Virginia Tech.
00:07:54.100 I believe we have a clip from that event that we wanted to run for you.
00:07:57.500 Why you support a president who contributes to the rhetoric that got your friend Charlie killed.
00:08:03.300 That's a blatant lie.
00:08:04.720 It's a defamatory blaspheme.
00:08:07.040 And it's inappropriate in the setting.
00:08:08.460 That's not what I said.
00:08:09.240 We know.
00:08:09.680 Yes, it is.
00:08:10.300 No, I said he contributed to the political.
00:08:12.120 He contributed to the political atmosphere.
00:08:15.760 The, the, the.
00:08:16.500 Well, then you have no point.
00:08:17.740 Then your point is utterly empty.
00:08:19.880 Contributing to the atmosphere.
00:08:21.200 The president.
00:08:21.460 This guy was.
00:08:22.080 No, let's just make clear.
00:08:22.980 Let's just make clear.
00:08:23.940 This guy was motivated by leftist ideology.
00:08:26.980 We know it from the bullet casings.
00:08:28.460 We know it from the Utah governor.
00:08:30.380 We know it from his own mother.
00:08:32.220 Yes, we do.
00:08:33.500 Let's be really clear on that.
00:08:35.100 Even if that's true.
00:08:36.120 So then you're saying because.
00:08:37.520 Let's say this guy's a leftist.
00:08:38.780 Even if that's true.
00:08:39.540 Does that make it okay for the sitting president of the United States to incite violence against liberals?
00:08:45.160 The president of the United States has not accepted violence against liberals.
00:08:47.980 The president of the United States made a joke at the Charlie Kirk Memorial,
00:08:52.020 which was funny and self-deprecating.
00:08:53.960 It was on the heels of Erica Kirk saying she, in an extraordinary moment, forgave her husband's killer.
00:09:01.160 He refused.
00:09:01.880 And let me finish.
00:09:02.660 And then President Trump got up and making a joke, playing off of what Erica said.
00:09:09.320 He said, we disagree.
00:09:10.640 I need to do better.
00:09:11.760 Erica's going to try to convince me, but I'm in a different place.
00:09:14.460 And that's completely normal for a politician to be thinking about his political fights.
00:09:19.440 And by the way, Trump has every right to loathe his enemies.
00:09:22.940 They tried to put him in jail for the rest of his life.
00:09:25.560 Well, that was an incredible moment.
00:09:33.900 And while we do have, as it turns out, one of the people from that clip joining us here
00:09:39.440 in the program.
00:09:40.000 No, it is not the deranged leftist student.
00:09:42.720 It is, in fact, Megyn Kelly.
00:09:44.180 Megyn, how are you?
00:09:45.600 Hi, Jack.
00:09:46.600 I'm great.
00:09:47.180 How are you doing?
00:09:48.640 I'm very well.
00:09:49.500 I actually listened to, I think, almost all of your speech in the Q&A last night.
00:09:54.300 There were some really interesting questions you got.
00:09:57.420 We don't have to go into all of them.
00:09:58.760 I don't even know if we can because of FCC guidelines.
00:10:01.480 But that one was just fantastic.
00:10:04.720 Yeah, that guy came loaded for bear and was like at an 11 right from the top.
00:10:09.480 I mean, and full of disinformation.
00:10:11.460 And I have to say, like, I feel bad for him.
00:10:13.300 The guy is obviously listening to MSNBC and CNN and Jimmy Kimmel for his news.
00:10:20.260 And you would be completely misled on the facts if those were your news sources.
00:10:23.980 I mean, there are millions of guys just like that who probably approach the news earnestly
00:10:29.200 looking for information.
00:10:30.360 And they've just made the catastrophic mistake of trusting the wrong people because the media
00:10:35.000 is openly lying to them.
00:10:36.320 They're openly lying about the Charlie assassination and the assassin.
00:10:39.640 And they're openly lying about what happened in Dallas yesterday at the ICE facility.
00:10:44.140 And they will continue openly lying.
00:10:47.400 And the only conclusion one can draw, Jack, is that they don't care that our people are
00:10:55.040 getting shot.
00:10:56.160 They don't care.
00:10:57.340 They must want more of it or they would be working harder to stay honest and adhere to
00:11:02.640 the facts.
00:11:04.160 No, they're providing cover.
00:11:05.860 So I had this clip yesterday where I mentioned I mentioned what Joe Rogan said, sort of like,
00:11:13.140 oh, well, Jimmy was making a joke and, you know, he may have got some facts wrong.
00:11:16.340 And I said, hold on.
00:11:17.200 Right.
00:11:17.500 Like, like, pause.
00:11:18.360 It wasn't that he just got some facts wrong.
00:11:20.620 It's that he lied.
00:11:22.400 You need to apologize when you lie and the lies stay standard.
00:11:27.240 And so for six days, he's not on air.
00:11:28.900 He comes back.
00:11:29.420 He doesn't correct the lie.
00:11:31.420 Just correct the lie.
00:11:32.680 It's really not that hard.
00:11:33.880 I didn't apologize either, by the way.
00:11:35.780 But the fact that he didn't correct that, the fact that he'd let it stand, that he thought
00:11:39.320 it was some some MAGA guy that committed this.
00:11:42.140 And you see the same type of deception with, as you just said, the ice shooter down in
00:11:47.060 Dallas, who, by the way, we just found out, as it turns out, not only was the ice shooter
00:11:51.600 motivated by anti ice elements, obviously shooting up an ice facility, but in fact, had
00:11:57.060 been doing searches for the Charlie Kirk shooting on his phone immediately prior to that, his
00:12:04.120 own act of terrorism.
00:12:05.640 And so you've got copycat shooters now coming from the violent left.
00:12:10.180 And you've got all these people in the media trying to tell you that it's not happening.
00:12:14.400 Yes.
00:12:14.720 Yes.
00:12:15.040 So well said.
00:12:15.680 So first of all, you're absolutely right.
00:12:17.340 We know it was a lie because trust me, I've been a broadcaster for many, many years.
00:12:20.400 When you make a mistake, then when you go and then controversy hits, you can very easily
00:12:25.520 go out on the air and say, oh, my God, I'm so sorry I made a mistake.
00:12:28.620 Please let me correct it.
00:12:29.720 That can happen when you talk for a living.
00:12:31.780 And so the fact that he wouldn't correct it is what shows you it was not a mistake.
00:12:36.740 He meant it.
00:12:37.940 He wouldn't get off of that talking point, even when his show was hanging in the balance.
00:12:43.140 It was too important to him, that lie, that the shooter was MAGA.
00:12:47.300 And now we have a report in the Daily Mail out today that his staffers would be behind
00:12:51.580 the scenes crying when he didn't back down, when he went out there and doubled down on
00:12:57.260 his criticism of MAGA and Trump and didn't offer an apology.
00:13:00.720 And they were getting ready to quit if he were to do it.
00:13:03.260 That's what Jimmy Kimmel has surrounded himself with.
00:13:06.460 And the points you're making about the guy now who did the ice shooting yesterday are
00:13:12.200 completely valid.
00:13:13.680 And what's infuriating is we saw in this case, as we saw with the Charlie case, what
00:13:19.120 the motivation was.
00:13:20.060 It was literally written on the bullet casings that the shooter went to the trouble of writing
00:13:26.260 it on the bullet so there wouldn't be any ambiguity.
00:13:30.740 And yet still the media pretends like it's all some big mystery.
00:13:34.140 This morning, having seen this photo and read the reports we felt that we read where he was
00:13:39.120 openly identified as a communist, they still went to air with, ah, unclear.
00:13:45.760 We really don't know what the motive was.
00:13:47.220 We have no idea.
00:13:48.500 Totally inappropriate and irresponsible.
00:13:51.120 Then this morning, I mean, you don't normally get it like this.
00:13:54.700 You don't normally get the explicit, my goal is to terrorize ICE.
00:13:59.400 I hope they're terrorized by now realizing I can shoot them from roofs around their facilities.
00:14:05.780 And you watch not one of those sources, not NPR, not MSNBC, not NBC, none of the sources
00:14:11.680 who pitched the, we don't know, this morning, before we had that explicit line, all we had
00:14:16.760 was the bullet casing, is going to update their report with, now we know.
00:14:20.780 They're going to continue pretending it was a mystery because they don't care about stopping
00:14:25.960 it.
00:14:26.280 If this were their people, they'd be blasting the motivations as they've been written by
00:14:31.000 these killers from the rooftops.
00:14:33.180 It's because it's us and they're secretly in favor of it that they want to keep doing
00:14:39.080 this, which is why I think many of us are feeling truly radicalized by their behavior.
00:14:45.380 Well, I couldn't agree more, but I also, you know, it's the mainstream media.
00:14:51.160 They're going to be the way they are.
00:14:52.520 I don't think we're ever going to be able to change them.
00:14:54.020 But there is a certain group of people that I'm starting to get a little frustrated with,
00:14:57.540 and I wanted to see, you know, whether you felt the same.
00:15:00.440 When I see these D.C. Republicans, and they get up after one of these things and they yell,
00:15:05.900 please stop, please just don't do any more of the violence.
00:15:10.180 I'm like, guys, you weren't put into office to write, you know, strongly worded letters
00:15:16.420 and tweets and give statements like that.
00:15:18.440 Where is the federal government action to prevent the leftist killing spree of bloody September
00:15:25.880 that we are currently living through?
00:15:27.680 I don't understand why it didn't happen after Charlie Kirk was killed,
00:15:30.800 and I don't understand why it hasn't happened yet.
00:15:32.620 I mean, are you feeling that way?
00:15:34.480 Yes.
00:15:34.960 Yes.
00:15:35.240 And I feel like we need fighters right now.
00:15:37.160 We don't need olive branch holders.
00:15:39.040 We've been trying that for 15 years.
00:15:41.580 It hasn't worked.
00:15:42.660 We ran, like, the nicest, most milquetoast Republican ever born in Mitt Romney.
00:15:48.600 I mean, he's basically a Democrat now.
00:15:50.160 That's how close he was to the line of being, you know, bipartisan.
00:15:53.400 And they called him a misogynist.
00:15:55.660 They made him into a demon.
00:15:56.960 They rejected him whole hand.
00:15:59.780 And so now we ran somebody who knows how to fight, Donald Trump, and he won.
00:16:03.580 And he's shown the Republican Party how to fight.
00:16:05.700 And what do we do?
00:16:06.620 As soon as we get into these big battles,
00:16:08.160 we, once again, wave the white flag and try to be the high ground party.
00:16:12.900 That has failed.
00:16:14.340 Our people are dying.
00:16:15.880 They're literally getting shot.
00:16:17.760 It's not just Charlie.
00:16:19.400 Trump was shot, and Corey Compitoria is dead because of these maniacs.
00:16:24.500 Like, it is time to take them very seriously.
00:16:28.380 And great, it's wonderful to say the words.
00:16:30.780 They do absolutely nothing.
00:16:32.480 And this is why, Jack, I am totally in favor of what Brendan Carr did last week.
00:16:36.800 Totally in favor of it.
00:16:38.460 We have to fight.
00:16:40.080 It's not that I like big government getting involved in speech.
00:16:42.760 Trust me, our side has been fighting that battle for decades.
00:16:45.920 It's that it's a question of tactics right now.
00:16:48.220 And because of what Brendan Carr did, they got their cage rattled for once.
00:16:52.160 Jimmy Kimmel was off the air.
00:16:53.200 Yes, it was only five or six nights.
00:16:54.500 But they learned firsthand.
00:16:56.760 It doesn't feel good when you have interference in your ability to say what you feel.
00:17:02.360 Especially government interference.
00:17:04.200 It kind of sucks.
00:17:05.620 Welcome to our world.
00:17:06.720 We had four years of the Biden administration putting its hand over our collective mouths at every turn.
00:17:12.820 Just ask any doctor who tried to say that COVID didn't come from an animal, that it was a lab leak.
00:17:18.940 I mean, I could go down the list, okay?
00:17:20.040 The government interference in our ability to speak, government interference at YouTube, having our accounts pulled so that we couldn't say people who defended anything about January 6th.
00:17:29.520 Accounts pulled.
00:17:30.640 You're silenced by the government.
00:17:32.100 And you don't have to speculate that it was the government because they told us.
00:17:36.080 The Biden White House had the whole press conferences owning the fact that they were trying to censor the disinformation dozen, including Bobby Kennedy and others.
00:17:42.920 So they needed a taste of their own medicine in order for us to have any hope of them stopping this.
00:17:50.520 The only way of stopping that, the lawfare, et cetera, is to make—and I'm not calling for violence.
00:17:56.100 I'm talking about these rhetorical fights, these lawfare fights, these policy fights.
00:18:00.240 We must do to them what they've been doing to us.
00:18:03.240 And that means if we need to rattle their cage and have Brendan Carr say to the affiliates, you know what, you are empowered to enforce the public interest requirement, do your thing, then so be it.
00:18:15.760 And to your point, we saw what the federal government can do when they want to actually stamp something out.
00:18:23.020 So to the COVID deniers, to the people who are posting about those things, to the people who, you know, were walking around peacefully on January 6th, we know what a massive federal government response looks like.
00:18:35.620 We all just lived through it for four years.
00:18:38.360 And so I guess that's what I'm saying is, look, I don't think—obviously, you don't want to, like, go from the hip on any of these things.
00:18:44.760 But at some point, if you don't apply pressure back in the other direction, they will not stop.
00:18:51.120 It's like having kids. If my kids are acting up, you've got to put the foot down.
00:18:55.600 And if you don't put the foot down, they are going to do more and more and more of it.
00:19:00.460 We are coming up on a quick break, Megan. I know you've got to run.
00:19:03.080 Can I hold you for just one more question afterwards?
00:19:05.420 Sure. Sure.
00:19:06.760 I would love to because there's something very important you talked about yesterday that I really want to get into.
00:19:10.440 Right back, Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily, Megan Kelly, Real America's Voice.
00:19:21.120 Talk about influences. These are influences. And they're friends of mine. Jack Posobiec. Where's Jack?
00:19:29.600 Jack. He's done a great job.
00:19:33.080 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back with Megan Kelly. We only have her for a few more minutes.
00:19:40.620 She's got to run. But there is a story that she's been talking about that I would be absolutely remiss if I didn't bring up.
00:19:48.020 And Megan, you have gone completely viral for talking about this story, this the Jezebel witch hex,
00:19:58.220 where they paid a bunch of witches to put a hex on Charlie Kirk.
00:20:01.580 As it turns out, this is one of the last stories that are the last things that I ever talked to Charlie about.
00:20:08.540 I know it was on his radar. You took that story a step further and even reported that this is something that greatly affected Erica,
00:20:16.020 that they prayed over this, that they received a blessing over this, and that it really does kind of beg the question.
00:20:23.580 And I applaud the fact that you were willing to use your platform to say this.
00:20:28.260 We should talk about whether or not the demonic had some influence here.
00:20:32.960 Mm-hmm. I didn't even know anything about this. I actually learned about this from Erica.
00:20:37.920 And, you know, she was so composed. Honestly, when I was talking to her, it was incredible because she could talk about anything.
00:20:44.500 She was very measured. She was very present, unlike her game plan.
00:20:48.200 But tears never stopped coming out of her eyes.
00:20:51.660 You know, she's obviously distraught over Charlie's loss, but functioning, totally functioning, which is sad, you know, deeply sad and appropriate.
00:21:00.100 And in our long conversation, she gave me permission to share this because I asked for permission.
00:21:04.500 She mentioned this to me, that they were scared by this report that the website Jezebel and this particular writer had gone to Etsy, and this is a thing,
00:21:18.060 and paid money to have multiple curses cast against Charlie, calling for harm to him.
00:21:26.740 Now, they included a paragraph in their article saying, well, we didn't ask for actual bodily harm, but we wanted something terrible to happen to him.
00:21:34.140 You know, we wanted him to basically break out in acne or lose the ability to use his microphone or lose the ability to tweet somehow.
00:21:42.480 You know, his thumbs would grow too big, that kind of thing.
00:21:44.600 But it's so super humorous.
00:21:46.000 We are calling for harm, but not like deathly harm.
00:21:48.500 So that makes us good people.
00:21:49.980 And they went to a so-called Etsy witch, which is a thing.
00:21:53.640 They're all over, by the way, Etsy.
00:21:55.100 I thought this was a damn craft website.
00:21:56.720 It's morphed into something very different.
00:21:58.460 And they paid this so-called witch to curse or put a hex on Charlie.
00:22:04.700 And they did this 18 days before Charlie died.
00:22:08.400 And then they paid an additional $50 to amp up the hex and make it especially bad for him.
00:22:14.720 And then they went back a third time and found a different so-called witch, some, quote, priestess,
00:22:20.920 to cast an extra special curse on Charlie.
00:22:24.120 And they had proof of this woman burning his picture and watching the edges crumble around his face as she cursed him.
00:22:32.300 So now they had three and they waited.
00:22:35.380 And they expressed consternation that a day had passed and nothing happened.
00:22:39.000 And then they found out from the alleged witches that it would take between two and three weeks.
00:22:44.620 And literally 18 days later, Charlie was assassinated.
00:22:48.020 But the day before he was assassinated, Erica and Charlie saw the story because Jezebel wrote it up the Monday before Charlie was killed, which was a Wednesday.
00:22:58.460 So that Monday they saw it.
00:23:00.600 And she, in particular, was so disturbed by it.
00:23:03.480 And as any deep-faith Christian might be, she was very unhappy this had been done.
00:23:10.520 And they asked a friend of theirs, and I think Erica told me that it was a Catholic priest, but I can't totally remember.
00:23:15.580 But it was a Catholic, just a friend of theirs.
00:23:19.160 And they asked him for a blessing over Charlie the night before he was killed.
00:23:24.300 And they received the blessing, and she felt better.
00:23:27.140 But I just could not believe how vile this was.
00:23:30.660 And when I talked to Erica, it was when I was out in Arizona.
00:23:34.360 So this is a week plus after he was killed, and it was still bothering her, you know, to the point where she mentioned it to me.
00:23:40.440 But she had come to a different place on it, Jack.
00:23:43.420 And she was annoyed, of course.
00:23:45.420 But she came to realize upon reflection, and she had gotten there even before Charlie left, that these people had no power over Charlie.
00:23:54.220 That these demons, that Satan was not in control.
00:23:57.640 That God was in control, including on the day Charlie was killed.
00:24:00.340 But my own takeaway as a friend of hers and as a Christian was this was evil, what they did.
00:24:08.840 This was an evil act.
00:24:10.680 And I also happened to feel that there is a possibility they opened a very dark door.
00:24:17.620 I don't know how things work.
00:24:19.760 I'm Catholic.
00:24:21.140 And Catholic priests, and I played the soundbite on my show, have come on like Father Mike Schmitz, who I love, who does the Bible in a year.
00:24:27.180 And he specifically told me two years ago, don't have a Ouija board in your home, and talked about how they believe that there have been actual exorcisms they've had to do.
00:24:39.320 That the movie The Exorcist is based on a real two cases where a Ouija board opened some sort of portal or door into someone's house where they believe their child got possessed by a demon.
00:24:51.900 He also said, don't do magic, like you're calling up things you might not want to call up in your home or in this world.
00:25:00.280 So who are we to say as mere mortals that doing that kind of ritual is utterly powerless, is the joke that Jezebel seemed to think it was?
00:25:11.840 I don't know that.
00:25:13.540 I have no idea what doing that is capable of.
00:25:16.880 I would certainly never, ever do that to my worst enemy.
00:25:20.340 And so that's the reason I talked about it, and because whether it's got any power or not, it upset Erica Kirk.
00:25:28.500 Well, I think it's amazing that you talked about it.
00:25:31.080 I, as everyone knows, I always have my rosary right here, very handy.
00:25:35.980 I've got crucifixes up in my bedroom and the bedrooms of my children, the same way that my parents had for me.
00:25:42.300 We have holy water in the house.
00:25:43.860 And I will add this, the only thing I'll add is this, is that you can invite the demonic onto yourself.
00:25:51.380 And we certainly saw the Annunciation Church shooter up there and clearly wrestling with a demon.
00:25:56.200 But those witches and that hex and the spell and all of the demons combined could not do what?
00:26:04.640 They could not corrupt Charlie's immortal soul.
00:26:08.400 So yes, they could have an agent of evil fire a bullet at Charlie.
00:26:12.840 But the demonic is about dragging you down and damning you to hell and pulling you away from God.
00:26:19.420 Because that is what hell is, the total disconnection with God.
00:26:22.700 But that wasn't Charlie.
00:26:23.860 So no matter what they did to him, they were never able to sever that.
00:26:27.940 And I know that that spell, that hex, could never break Charlie's bond with Christ.
00:26:33.400 Yeah, I mean, that's been so obvious in the reaction to his death and the people flocking to Christ by the millions.
00:26:39.660 No, it totally failed.
00:26:40.700 Megan, I know you've got to run.
00:26:41.960 We're up on a hard break.
00:26:42.920 Thank you so much for coming on.
00:26:44.120 And thank you, seriously, for just telling the truth about what was going on there.
00:26:49.420 Anytime.
00:26:50.260 Great to be with you, Jack.
00:26:52.200 God bless.
00:26:53.300 All right, folks, we'll be right back.
00:26:55.060 Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily, Real American Voice.
00:27:03.180 Where is Jack?
00:27:05.700 Where is Jack?
00:27:08.020 Where is he?
00:27:09.280 Jack, I want to see you.
00:27:12.940 Great job, Jack.
00:27:14.400 Thank you.
00:27:15.140 What a job you do.
00:27:16.600 You know, we have an incredible thing.
00:27:17.780 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad.
00:27:20.280 But we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting polices.
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00:29:25.940 I'm not sure.
00:29:26.480 We've got Dr. Peter Navarro straight from the White House here to join us on the program.
00:29:33.740 Dr. Navarro, how are you?
00:29:34.700 I'm doing great, Jack.
00:29:36.740 And I'm sitting here in the new RAV studio, by the way, here in D.C.
00:29:41.220 And let's say Rob and Parker Sigg outdid themselves.
00:29:46.760 And so when you're back in D.C.
00:29:49.120 And I know there's a chair waiting for you here, brother.
00:29:52.580 But I'm glad where you are.
00:29:53.760 Yeah, no, I got to use it.
00:29:55.600 I got to use it.
00:29:56.440 I got to use it once already.
00:29:58.040 And it's really, really nice.
00:30:00.140 I got to look.
00:30:02.820 I got to say this to your audience.
00:30:04.720 I mean, no one moved me more speaking in Arizona than you, Jack.
00:30:12.220 That was poetry, my friend.
00:30:16.720 And for me, they talk about the five stages of grief.
00:30:21.260 There's a sixth one.
00:30:23.320 And that, for me, is accountability.
00:30:26.740 And this principle we have to start following a lot better, Jack, is if they can come for us, they can come for you.
00:30:37.120 We have to hold them accountable, otherwise they'll do it again.
00:30:41.220 We've got to walk that talk.
00:30:45.400 And that means basically going after all of the people in Old Testament fashion who've been responsible over the last eight years
00:30:59.440 for putting me and Steve Bannon in prison, for bankrupting Rudy Giuliani, trying to bankrupt Mike Lindell,
00:31:12.720 for taking away the bar cards of Jeff Clark and John Eastman,
00:31:17.880 for putting millions of dollars of legal fees on people who would escape imprisonment or prosecution but still had to pay through the nose.
00:31:31.080 Four times they tried to put Donald Trump in prison in four different courts, two assassination attempts,
00:31:38.200 and, of course, the brutal assassination of our beloved Charlie Kirk.
00:31:46.960 And, you know, this is what we've got to do.
00:31:51.400 And so, you know, I'm actively trying to get that message out.
00:31:56.920 As you know, I've got this new book that came out,
00:32:00.140 I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To.
00:32:03.520 It's a tagline from the speech I gave at the Republican National Convention.
00:32:08.920 And for your viewers and listeners, that was the same day I walked out of a federal prison after four months.
00:32:18.780 I spent four months there for a misdemeanor with 200 felons.
00:32:24.560 And everybody who put me in prison was a Democrat, whether it was the Democrat majority in the House or representatives who voted to hold me in contempt,
00:32:37.120 whether it was Mayor Garland, the attorney general and his prosecutors who ordered my leg irons arrest,
00:32:45.800 whether it was Judge Ahmet Mehta, who bundled campaign contributions for Barack Obama and then got appointed as a judge.
00:32:56.440 Geez, no connection there.
00:32:58.700 And in the media, Jack, I mean, this inciting the violence, which we continually get even now.
00:33:06.840 You know, it's like we're getting accused, Jack, of weaponizing the Justice Department because we're going after James friggin' Comey.
00:33:18.260 James friggin' Comey.
00:33:20.080 Like, here's what's interesting.
00:33:22.020 I write about this guy and I went to prison so you won't have to.
00:33:25.800 FBI agent Jack named Walter Giardina.
00:33:29.240 He's the guy who, at the direction, likely, of Merrick Garland, went out to Reagan Airport with four other armed FBI agents,
00:33:39.820 took me down in a gangway, put me in handcuffs, put me in leg irons.
00:33:45.040 Okay, what's that got to do with James Comey?
00:33:48.740 Giardina, this FBI agent, was the guy, one of the guys, according to whistleblowers,
00:33:54.600 who read the Steele dossier, Jack.
00:33:58.600 You and I know what that is.
00:34:00.080 That's the Clinton-funded piece of crap that said falsely that Donald Trump was in bed with the Russians.
00:34:09.980 It was this guy, Giardina, who said, no, it's legit.
00:34:15.540 Go ahead and start Crossfire Hurricane.
00:34:17.860 Go ahead after Donald Trump.
00:34:20.460 Comey was there to approve it all, and he's the guy, James Comey.
00:34:23.620 He started signing those FISA warrants, those fake FISA warrants, which Carter paid John down, right?
00:34:32.740 Comey was the guy who went after Mike Flynn and took him out.
00:34:37.300 So we need justice because, and this is the sixth stage of grief,
00:34:45.260 if we don't hold them accountable, Jack, they're going to do it again.
00:34:48.840 You know this, Jack.
00:34:50.420 If we lose the House of Representatives.
00:34:51.740 Well, they will do it again.
00:34:52.780 Go ahead, Jack.
00:34:53.360 We saw it yesterday, and, Dr. Navarro, we saw it yesterday.
00:34:56.640 Another violent leftist just shot up an ICE facility only a few days after Charlie Kirk was shot and killed up in Utah.
00:35:04.780 There's been no raids on these leftist organizations.
00:35:07.880 There's been no nighttime enforcement.
00:35:10.820 We've seen the ICE raids, which have been fantastic, but the violent left, there's been nothing.
00:35:14.440 We're starting to see, hopefully, you know, and we might see this indictment of Comey.
00:35:18.580 I'm actually looking at, you know, looking at some updates on that, on some other news that are right there.
00:35:23.920 But I think what a lot of people, and I'm not directing this at you, but I think I get the sense of a lot of people in the audience right now,
00:35:33.700 they're saying all of the pressure is being directed on one place, and we're not fighting back the way we should yet.
00:35:40.400 And that's exactly right.
00:35:42.680 I mean, look, I've been talking about this, along with you and Bannon and others, since 2020.
00:35:49.140 I mean, since 2018, when they started going after Trump in 2016.
00:35:55.160 It's like, for me, it's the mantra.
00:35:57.880 It's Comey, Clapper, Page, Brennan, Strzok, Schiff.
00:36:02.240 All of these people got away with election interference and insurrection.
00:36:10.340 I mean, and this guy Giardina, who put me in leg irons, was there at every turn, according to whistleblowers.
00:36:17.720 Jack, if you just understand this one guy, you understand the whole conspiracy against Donald Trump.
00:36:24.500 Steele dossier, Crossfire Hurricane, Mueller report, Operation Crimson River.
00:36:31.520 I don't know if you remember that one, Jack.
00:36:33.260 That was like the accusation, which was ridiculous, that the Egyptian government gave Trump $10 million for his campaign.
00:36:41.460 It was totally bogus, but Giardina and the FBI and Comey and all of those people used it to issue a bunch of subpoenas for records of this, that, and the other thing.
00:36:50.900 And then Arctic Frost.
00:36:52.680 Arctic Frost.
00:36:54.120 Giardina was part of that as well.
00:36:56.400 And by the way, you can't make this up.
00:36:59.980 You know who this guy's father-in-law is, Jack?
00:37:02.780 This guy's father-in-law is a guy named Larry Potts.
00:37:05.920 Who was he?
00:37:06.680 He was the deputy director who was behind Waco and Ruby Ridge.
00:37:13.100 Okay?
00:37:13.560 How's that for a bloodline?
00:37:16.080 These people are corrupt, Jack.
00:37:18.760 And we need to do what they did to us through the legal system because they're guilty and we weren't.
00:37:29.200 And if we don't, if we don't apply this pressure, if we don't use the iron law of exact reciprocity, it's about reciprocity.
00:37:38.200 If we don't do that, they're going to do it again.
00:37:41.120 They're going to do this again and again because they will do so with impunity because they've never received a response.
00:37:50.340 They've never received any opposite reactions like Newtonian physics.
00:37:55.000 If there is no equal and opposite reaction, then the first instance, the first action will continue.
00:38:04.580 Jack is a great guy.
00:38:06.240 He's written that fantastic book.
00:38:07.900 Everybody's talking about it.
00:38:09.160 Go get it.
00:38:09.700 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
00:38:14.200 And we're going to turn it around and make our country cry to get to him.
00:38:17.540 Amen.
00:38:21.800 All right.
00:38:22.300 We're back live.
00:38:23.520 Human Events Daily.
00:38:25.500 Real America's Voice.
00:38:26.560 We're on with Dr. Peter Navarro, who's written this incredible new book about his experiences.
00:38:31.140 Because, Dr. Navarro, you know, when we sit here and we do these shows, I'm not an elected office.
00:38:38.860 And we sit here and we say we need to do something because they keep putting us in jail.
00:38:45.860 They keep censoring us.
00:38:47.640 And then, by the way, when they can't put us in jail and when they can't censor us, what do they do next?
00:38:52.740 What's the next step on the tier of escalation?
00:38:55.860 They turn to gunshots.
00:38:58.160 And that's what took Charlie Kirk away from us.
00:39:01.260 Walk us through what the left in this country did to you.
00:39:06.040 And not a long time ago, just last year.
00:39:08.760 Well, let's start with the first chapter of I went to prison so you won't have to.
00:39:14.520 It starts at Reagan National Airport.
00:39:18.440 It's the D.C. airport.
00:39:20.680 I'm on my way with my fiancée, Bonnie, to do Mike Huckabee's show, right?
00:39:26.480 Love Mike.
00:39:27.520 First time Bonnie was going to be in Nashville.
00:39:30.180 It's going to be a great time.
00:39:31.240 We're having the time of our life.
00:39:32.460 Next thing we know, we're walking down the gangway.
00:39:35.380 We've got three armed FBI agents come behind us, two in front of us, including this guy, Walter Giardina.
00:39:43.660 I'm in handcuffs, later in leg irons.
00:39:46.960 Bonnie's perp walked out in front of the world.
00:39:50.500 CNN's got the story before everything.
00:39:53.680 Now, what's wrong with that picture?
00:39:55.660 Well, first of all, misdemeanor.
00:39:58.120 Second of all, not a violent guy.
00:40:02.160 Bonnie's not a violent gal.
00:40:03.740 Well, third of all, I literally lived right across the street from the FBI, like 50 yards away.
00:40:13.460 They could have easily called me.
00:40:15.420 But what they try to do to us, Jack, is humiliate us to the world.
00:40:24.520 When they went in and got stuff from Jeff Clark, they scared the hell out of his kids.
00:40:29.680 In my case, it was the woman I love.
00:40:31.940 It's like, what's wrong with that?
00:40:33.780 And so I go, again, I went to prison so you won't have to.
00:40:38.200 It's this story of how you go through this justice system, Jack.
00:40:42.040 It's like I was, like, astonished.
00:40:43.420 It's like by the time my case got to the jury, the judge, the Obama-appointed judge, had stripped me of any defense.
00:40:53.400 My defense was executive privilege.
00:40:56.660 According to 50 years of Department of Justice policy across party lines, it's like if I got a subpoena from Congress, it was my duty as a senior presidential advisor to refuse it.
00:41:07.220 It was my duty, and suddenly I'm in court, and I can't even argue that.
00:41:15.880 If I said the word executive privilege, the judge was going to put me in jail for contempt of his court.
00:41:21.720 So it was like, okay, what's that all about?
00:41:26.000 And then the worst thing that happened in terms of, like, I mean, the book is like it's Kafka, it's Stephen King, but it's also a lot of Catch-22 Joseph Heller.
00:41:37.020 Like, for my case, when I got convicted, sentenced to jail, what they should have done is release me pending appeal.
00:41:47.520 That's the legal term, release pending appeal, because not a flight risk, and it's a major constitutional landmark case.
00:41:55.760 It's still on appeal.
00:41:57.020 It's going to the Supreme Court.
00:41:58.440 It will be reversed.
00:41:59.960 There is any justice in the world.
00:42:01.640 But they put me in prison, and it was three, Jack, it was three judges on this appeals panel in D.C., which is a cesspool.
00:42:12.360 Two of them are named Patricia Millett, Kanuia Pillar, right?
00:42:16.660 They said flat out, no, he's got to go to jail.
00:42:19.920 There's no appealable issues here that could change the outcome.
00:42:23.460 Okay, fair enough.
00:42:24.340 Now, fast forward, my appeal is ongoing as we speak in that court.
00:42:30.160 Guess who the same judges are who's going to hear that appeal?
00:42:33.760 That's like Pillar and Millett.
00:42:36.100 They've already made up their mind, but now they're going to do it again.
00:42:40.060 It's like if you think the judges are drawn randomly and courts are fair.
00:42:44.940 And this is so destructive, Jack, to our society, because it's like Congress used to have the lowest approval rating in the American public,
00:42:55.160 but now it's our justice system as well.
00:42:58.160 These are politicians in black robes.
00:43:01.320 So I get to jail, right?
00:43:02.820 It's like, okay, how's this going to go?
00:43:05.880 And, you know, I'm finding people like there's a couple of guys in there who are in there for many years,
00:43:13.420 who had their houses taken from them, who will have to pay restitution, and their family is suffering,
00:43:20.340 and their lives are essentially over.
00:43:22.400 You know what?
00:43:23.040 But guess what?
00:43:23.840 They did effectively the same thing that Lisa Cook, the Fed chair, is alleged to do.
00:43:30.360 But with Lisa Cook, it's like, you know, the left legacy media and all that comes to her defense.
00:43:36.940 Oh, whoa, she needs a fair trial, this, that, and the other thing.
00:43:40.380 No, the boss can fire her.
00:43:42.440 He can do that.
00:43:43.280 But this is like, she's going to skate and real people without power go to jail.
00:43:50.060 Another one, Jack, I don't know if you know this, the RICO Act, right?
00:43:53.100 This is how, the RICO Act was designed to get a small class of, like, organized crime.
00:43:59.400 And the Justice Department has run rampant with it to get all sorts of people.
00:44:03.940 So there was a number of CEOs in prison I was with who, they were convicted because, according to the RICO Act,
00:44:14.640 they didn't have to know or be part of it because they were CEO they should have known.
00:44:19.380 Now, why am I mentioning this?
00:44:20.660 Because, look, James Comey, who was effectively the CEO of the FBI, he knew what he was doing with the Steele dossier and the FISA Act and Flynn.
00:44:32.260 But even if he claims he didn't, under the RICO Act, he should be prosecuted anyway.
00:44:40.860 So we've got a system here that's just weird.
00:44:45.260 I mean, in the book itself, look, there's some instances about how I saved one guy's life in there.
00:44:52.820 There's broke up fights, did negotiations.
00:44:55.660 But the big thing is, Jack, I went in there, and the First Step Act is a signature piece of prison reform legislation that Donald Trump passed in 2018.
00:45:05.160 And I found out firsthand that that wasn't being implemented.
00:45:11.800 Now, I'm the first one to be tough on crime, but if you keep nonviolent first-time offenders in prison longer than their expiration date, according to the law, bad things happen.
00:45:25.220 Like, you get a higher rate of recidivism, and it was about $5 billion to keep people behind bars longer than they should.
00:45:35.680 So there's a whole side plot there.
00:45:38.540 And, of course, the story between Bonnie and I, how families handle this stuff, I mean, it was like—go ahead.
00:45:48.100 And, no, I was just going to say that—think about this.
00:45:50.720 They took you, who committed no crime.
00:45:54.420 You exerted your privilege as a White House official to not discuss these conversations with the president to the Jan 6 Committee,
00:46:02.580 and they threw you in jail, that puts a toll on you, it puts a toll on your family, on your loved ones.
00:46:09.500 They stripped you of your right to life.
00:46:12.960 That's what that is, as well as your right to freedom, your right to movement, your right to speak publicly, of course, in all of this.
00:46:20.940 Not only the toll that it took on you financially, just in terms of legal fees and all the rest,
00:46:26.200 and the toll that it takes, again, on your loved ones having to go through all that.
00:46:29.940 And that was just four months.
00:46:32.220 What they've done to Erica now, in this case—
00:46:35.060 Yeah, it's brutal.
00:46:35.820 That's the rest of her life.
00:46:36.780 The rest of her life.
00:46:37.600 And her children's life.
00:46:38.860 That's their life.
00:46:39.660 Completely.
00:46:40.560 Completely gone.
00:46:41.500 Completely robbed for them.
00:46:43.460 So where do we go to get repayment for that debt?
00:46:46.720 I don't know.
00:46:47.220 But I look at these D.C. Republicans many of the time, and they don't seem interested in doing anything, do they?
00:46:54.260 Jim Jordan is the biggest disappointment of my life in the Hill.
00:46:59.600 I mean, if you contrast him on the House side, on Judiciary, with what Chuck Grassley is doing.
00:47:06.360 Chuck Grassley is kicking ass and taking no prisoners right now, getting all this information from whistleblowers,
00:47:14.060 getting it right out to the general public, putting the heat on, things that are coming down in terms of whatever action the DOJ will finally take and things like that.
00:47:25.120 There's going to be a lot of the results of Chuck Grassley.
00:47:28.120 Jim Jordan sits on his ass, and he's done it for years.
00:47:31.260 I love the guy.
00:47:32.260 I've been on Air Force One a couple of times.
00:47:34.260 It's got to be said.
00:47:34.860 He's not doing his job.
00:47:36.520 Dr. Navarro, we are just about out of time here.
00:47:40.420 I want to say thank you for joining us on Human Events Daily.
00:47:44.260 You know how Rob said guts on me about the hard outs, man.
00:47:47.420 But thanks for being here, brother.
00:47:48.340 Yeah, all right, man.
00:47:49.160 And again, great remarks at the memorial, sir.
00:47:54.180 Thank you.
00:47:54.620 I appreciate that a lot.
00:47:55.840 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.